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IT'S REGULAR MEETING OF THE COFFIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER.[Call to Order]
TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24TH, 2020 9:00 AM.AND WE ARE IN THE COMMISSIONER COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TODAY IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CAGE IS GOING TO OFFER AN INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.
AND IF YOU'LL PRAY WITH ME, DEAR LORD, WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS TODAY ON ALL THAT ARE PRESENT HERE, WE ASK YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR, YOUR WISDOM AS WE DELIBERATE THE BUSINESS OF THIS COUNTY AND ANTI-VIRUS CITIZENS.
LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR SOLDIERS OVERSEAS.
AS WE APPROACHED THE THANKSGIVING SEASON AND ACKNOWLEDGED THEM FOR THE CARE AND COMFORT THAT THEY PROVIDE US.
AND WE ARE EVER THANKFUL FOR THAT.
DEAR LORD, WE ALSO ASK LORD THAT YOU BLESS OUR NATION.
AS WE MOVE INTO A TRANSITION POLITICALLY, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND THE REMAIN THE GREAT NATION THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN.
LORD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PROSPERITY AND THE BLESSINGS THAT WE ENJOY LEAD US AND GUIDE US IN YOUR NAME.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM THIS MORNING.
UH, ACTUALLY, UH, ALL WE HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PHYSICALLY PRESENT COMMISSIONER BARBER AT, UH, HIS, UH, HE INJURED HIS BACK OVER THE WEEKEND AT HOME AND HE IS JOINING US BY TELEPHONE TODAY.
SO, UH, FIRST ITEM IS ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE TO SHARE HEARING? NONE.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA]
WE MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.UH, WE HAVE ITEMS A THROUGH D ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK OR DRAW ANY OF THOSE TRIGGER THINGS OUT FOR DISCUSSION? NO, SIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
IF YOU'LL SIGN THAT THIS IS A TREASURES DOCUMENT, LET'S SIGN IT AND PASS IT DOWN PLEASE.
[3. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider any necessary action regarding the Kaufman County monument following report of committee.]
ITEM THREE.DISCUSS, CONSIDER ANY NECESSARY ACTION REGARDING THE COUNTY MONUMENT.
UH, THE MONUMENT FOLLOWING REPORTED THE COMMITTEE.
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE GIVEN A PASSION, A CARD SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU RESPECT THE TIME OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND ALL OUR VISITORS.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK KAREN TO TIME EVERYBODY FOR, SO WE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, AND THE FIRST PERSON THAT I HAVE HERE IS BILL HART.
UH, THERE'S TARP GO UP HERE AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE AND BE GLAD TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
KNOW, IT USED TO BE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS LIKE THAT, YOU LOOK YOUR FINGERS, RIGHT.
HI, I'M BILL HART AND I LIVE IN FORNEY, TEXAS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, I'M SURE TALKS ABOUT THE, THE MONUMENT.
UM, THE, UH, THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS MONUMENTS IN GENERAL.
UM, IN 1966, I WAS DRAFTED INTO THE ARMY IN 1967.
UM, THE, UH, THERE'S OUT ON HIGHWAY ONE NORTH OF SAIGON, THERE WAS A BIG MONUMENT, WHICH I'VE GIVEN YOU PICTURES OF.
AND THE, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, UH, A PICTURE OF A SOLDIER GUARDING THE FRONT OF A SOUTH VIETNAMESE VETERANS CEMETERY.
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UH, IT WAS A CEMETERY NAME, BINWANG CEMETERY.UH, IT WAS, UH, THERE, UH, STARTED IN 1965.
THEY CLAIMED EARLIEST GRAVES ARE IN 68.
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMS FOR DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
OUR VETERAN'S CEMETERIES HERE ARE TAKEN CARE OF BY, UH, PEOPLE WE HIRED TO KEEP THEM ALL MOWED OVER THERE.
THEY WERE DONE BY THE, THE FAMILIES OF THE GROUPS.
SO IN 1975, UH, THE NORTH VIETNAMESE TOOK OVER THE SOUTH.
UH, AT THAT TIME THEY WERE PROPERLY 16,000 BURIALS IN THAT CEMETERY.
IN 2009, THERE WERE ONLY 12,000 THAT THEY COULD FIND, UH, WELL, AFTER THE VIETNAMESE NORTH VIETNAMESE TOOK OVER THE SOUTH, UH, THEY RENAMED THE CITY OF SAIGON, HO CHI MINH CITY, WHICH MOST OF YOU KNOW, ALSO THIS STATUE IS UP ON HIGHWAY ONE NORTH OF SAIGON.
UH, THEY ALSO CHANGED THE NAME OF THE CEMETERY FROM MIDWALL CEMETERY TO ON NON CEMETERY.
UH, THEN THEY CLOSED IT SO THE FAMILIES CAN GET BACK IN THERE AND, UH, REDO OR CLEAN UP THEIR GRAVES.
THE CEMETERY WAS CLOSED UNTIL 2006.
SO THE, THE FAMILIES COULDN'T GET INTO 10, THEIR GRAVES, THEREFORE THE LITTLE HISTORY OF VERBAL ABOUT WHO'S BURIED HERE AND WHATNOT WAS KIND OF LOST.
UH, THEN THEY WENT, THEY TOOK, HAD RETRAINING CAMPS FOR SOUTH VIETNAMESE SOLDIERS AND CITIZENS THAT WERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND LASTLY, THEY REWROTE THE HISTORY BOOKS.
UH, YOU CHECKED WITH THE KID IN, UH, VIETNAM NOW, AND HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A NORTH SOUTH WAR.
UH, THEY CLAIMED THAT THERE WERE THREE STAGES OF THE WAR AND THE SAGE ONE WAS THE AMERICAN SPECIAL WAR.
IT WAS A MODERN AMERICAN INVASION, WHICH USED SOUTH VIETNAMESE, MILITARY AND AMERICAN ADVISERS, UH, IN STAGE TWO WAS AN AMERICAN LIMITED WAR, 1965 TO 68.
IT ALSO WAS A MODERN AMERICAN INVASION.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN FINISH IT OR JUST TO FINISH UP WHETHER, CAN I COMMENT? AND THEN, UH, THERE WERE THREE, THREE VERSIONS OF THE WAR.
THERE WERE NO, UH, THEY DID NOT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS, THEY DON'T SHOW THE NUMBER OF NORTH VIETNAMESE THAT WERE KILLED ONLY AMERICAN DEATHS AND TRADER DESKS.
ALL BATTLES WERE WON BY THE NORTH.
IT WAS A WAR AGAINST AMERICAN INVASION, ONLY AMERICANS AND THEIR ALLIES ARE GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES AND ATROCITIES.
THERE NEVER WAS A NORTH AND SOUTH.
SO IN ESSENCE, YOU CAN CHANGE HISTORY.
UH, IT'S LIKE TODAY WE'RE MOVING CONFEDERATE STATUES AROUND PUTTING THEM SOMEWHERE.
UH, WE'RE CHANGING NAMES OF SCHOOLS, STREETS, AND BUILDINGS.
UH, THANK YOU, BILL BILL HART SERVED AS ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS OF THE CITIZENS MONUMENT COMMISSION.
UH, JUST TO KIND OF A LITTLE REVIEW THERE ON JULY 14TH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPROVED FORMING A MONUMENT CITIZENS' COMMISSION TO STUDY THE ISSUE OF THE MONUMENT IN FRONT OF THE COURT.
EACH MEMBER OF THE COURT APPOINTED THREE MEMBERS TO THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN ON AUGUST 20TH, THE CITIZENS COMMISSION HAD A KICKOFF MEETING AND THEY CONTINUED.
YOU HAD 14 OR 16, 14 MEETINGS ALL AROUND THE COUNTY AND THEN NOVEMBER 10TH, THEY REPORTED, UH, FINDINGS BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND THANK EVERYBODY WHO, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AND SPOKEN EXPRESS HER OPINION.
SO, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ROB JONES IS WITH US AND, UH, IF YOU WANT TO CARRY CARE TO COME UP,
I'M AN ATTORNEY FROM CHATFIELD.
I REPRESENT A NUMBER OF CITIZENS AND VOTERS, AND AS THEY ALWAYS TELL ME TO TELL YOU, TAX PAYERS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, I ALSO REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THE MONUMENT, THE CENOTAPH IN THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS IN TEXAS.
WELL, I COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AT THIS POINT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT IN THE TRADE, MY LINE OF WORK, WE CALL THE JURY SUMMATION.
YOU ALL ARE ESSENTIALLY THE JURY ON THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHETHER THE CENOTAPH REMAINS, WHERE IT IS OR NOT.
NOW, ALSO YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A JURY THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU ARE, THE
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JUDGE IS, WELL, YOU HAVE DECIDED WHAT EVIDENCE THAT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.YOU HAVE SET UP A COMMITTEE AND THIS COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE THAT THE JUDGE ALLUDED TO A FEW MOMENTS AGO IS UNIQUE.
ALL OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THEIR, UM, UM, DECISION-MAKING AND, UH, THE, THE ISSUES OF THEIR CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
THEY CHOSE SIMPLY FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OR THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT YOU ALL DID SELECT THAT FOR GOOD OR BAD.
AND YOU HAD TWO VERY HARDWORKING CHAIRS.
UH, YOU'VE HEARD FROM ONE BALE, HEART.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ONE ALSO, MR. JACKSON, I BELIEVE, AND BOTH WORKED VERY HARD.
THEY HAD THE 14 MEETINGS ALL AROUND THE COUNTY, AND MOST OF THE MEMBERS WORKED VERY HARD.
NOW, THE RESULTS OF THAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU ALL.
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU GO AGAINST THAT EVIDENCE? IF YOU WENT TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF PUTTING FORTH THIS COMMITTEE, AND THE EVIDENCE WAS OVERWHELMINGLY THAT THE PEOPLE OF KAUFMAN COUNTY WALKED THIS MONUMENT TO REMAIN THAT DOVETAILS QUITE NICELY WITH WHAT WAS IN THE REFERENDUM, IN THE PRIMARIES OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHERE YOU TO COUNT THE DEMOCRATIC VOTES, EVERY ONE OF THEM, EVERY ONE OF THEM AS NOT WANTING THE MONUMENT UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S A STRETCH TO DO THAT.
YOU'D STILL HAVE 75% OF THE VOTERS OF THIS COUNTY SAYING THAT THEY WANT THE MONUMENT TO REMAIN THAT DOVETAILS ALMOST EXACTLY WITH WHAT THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH.
SO YOU HAD BEFORE YOU, AS THE TRIERS OF FACT ON THIS, THE EVIDENCE AND I RESPECTFULLY WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT EVIDENCE AND NOT GO AGAINST THE GREAT WEIGHT AND PREPONDERANCE IS WE LAWYERS LIKED TO SAY OF THE EVIDENCE.
SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY, AND YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
UH, NEXT UP, UH, I HAVE A CARD FROM JENNIFER ROBINSON.
IF YOU'D COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
I LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTY 400 YEARS AGO.
MY FIRST ANCESTORS SET FOOT ON THIS CONTINENT OFF A SHIP CALLED THE MAYFLOWER.
THE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE ANCESTORS HAVE FOUGHT IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY WAR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES, WHICH IS WHERE THIS MONUMENT COMES INTO PLAY.
IT IS A CENOTAPH, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO, I STARTED THIS FIGHT TO SAVE THAT CENOTAPH.
I HAVE ENDURED PEOPLE CALLING ME HORRIBLE NAMES, SCREAMING OBSCENITIES.
WHILE I STOOD OUT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT COURTHOUSE, I HAVE HAD MY JOB THREATENED.
I HAVE HAD MY LIFE THREATENED AS HAD MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED ME AND BEEN OUT THERE RIGHT WITH ME.
YOU NOTICE WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THE OTHER SIDE HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO HIDE BEHIND MASKS.
THEY LIKE TO HIDE IN THEIR HOUSES AND SIMPLY CAUSE PROBLEMS. THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE BROUGHT INTO THIS COUNTY WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY AND THEY SAY, OH, MOVE IT TO A CEMETERY, MOVE IT TO A MUSEUM.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER BECAUSE MUSEUMS AND CEMETERIES ARE BEING DESTROYED.
THESE SENATE TASKS WERE NOT MEANT TO BE MOVED AROUND.
AND THAT'S THE ENTIRE GOAL OF THESE PEOPLE MOVE THEM AROUND UNTIL THEY FALL APART.
IF THEY AREN'T DESTROYED BY PEOPLE BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, THERE IS A MARXIST AGENDA IN THIS COUNTRY.
THEY WANT TO TAKE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT OUR COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON.
I WAS TOLD TO LET THE PROCESS OF THE CITIZENS MONUMENT COMMITTEE PLAY OUT AND I'VE HAD TO FIGHT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS FAIR BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE WHO WERE TRYING TO DESTROY OUR SOLDIER.
THEY WERE USING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO SWAY THE COMMITTEE TO THEIR WAY OF THINKING.
I'VE LET THE COMMITTEE PLAY OUT.
AND EVEN THOUGH SO MANY WERE INTIMIDATED AND WOULD NOT COME TO THOSE MEETINGS AND WOULD NOT STAND UP BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF HAVING THEIR BUSINESSES LOST OF HAVING THEIR JOBS LOST
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OF BEING PHYSICALLY ATTACKED ENOUGH.PEOPLE STILL CAME OUT IN THIS COUNTY AND TOLD THAT COMMITTEE, LEAVE IT ALONE.
IF YOU VOTE TO GET RID OF IT, YOU WILL BE PLAYING INTO A MARXIST AGENDA.
UH, WE HAVE MICHAEL EMBRY JUST FOR THE RECORD.
IF YOU'D COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WEIRD YEAR WHERE THE PANDEMIC AND THE RISE OF ANTIFA AND BLM AND A GREATLY, GREATLY FLAWED ELECTION.
AND THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, A YEAR OR TWO AGO THAT WE'D BE WANTING TO DESTROY OUR MONUMENTS.
AND NOW WE HAD HAD A COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE ISSUE, BUT KEEP IN MIND, AS IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY WAS BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN THE REPUBLICANS VOTED ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT, 15,000 VOTERS ALMOST TO MAINTAIN AND, AND KEEP ALL OF OUR CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS OR ALL OF OUR MONUMENTS.
UM, SO I THINK THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE BEEN SUPERFLUOUS BECAUSE THE VOICE THE PEOPLE'S ALREADY BEEN HEARD.
UM, AND LET ME TELL YOU TWO, WHICH HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY, IS THAT AT ONE OF THE RALLIES HERE THAT WE WERE AT TO PROTECT THE MONUMENT FROM ANTIFA, THE ANTIFA WAS HAVING THEIR OWN RALLY.
THAT TEA FOR MEMBERS HAD SAID THAT WE'RE STARTING AT CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE MAYFLOWER.
AND THEIR GOAL WITH HORSES AS MR. HART ALLUDED TO, TO REBUILD THE SOCIETY AND, AND TEACH PEOPLE WHATEVER THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE.
UM, AND ALSO WHAT COMMITTEE MEMBER, A COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT IS, DOES NOT SUPPORT KEEPING THE MONUMENTS TOLD ME HE'S WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MARXIST ACTION TO REMOVE THE MONUMENTS.
I ASKED HIM TO, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW THIS AS SOME ARTIST.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO DON'T SHARE THE SAME VALUES THAT WE DO, BUT WHO SOMEHOW HAVE GONE AT YOUR EAR? I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, BUT IF WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY NOW THAT'S GOING TO FOLLOW THE, THE WHIMS AND FASHION OF RADICAL, SUCH AS ANTIFA AND BLM.
AND WE HAVE NO RECOURSE, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TEAR THE STATUTE DOWN.
BUT IF WE HAVE A SOCIETY THAT VALUES ITS VOTERS, IT'S TAXPAYERS, IT'S PEOPLE'S OPINIONS, IT'S PEOPLE'S HERITAGE IS PEOPLE'S CULTURE.
AND I THINK WE DO STILL LIVE IN THAT SOCIETY.
I THINK YOU SHOULD NOT TOUCH THAT STATUE.
IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY HERE.
AND IT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE HERE AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY DESIRE TO BE THAT WAY.
AND I THINK THIS COMMITTEE OF THIS, EXCUSE ME, THIS, THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THE JUDGE, I THINK THERE ARE THAT KIND OF PEOPLE I THINK THEY DESIRE TO DO WITH THEIR TAX PAYERS AND THEIR VOTERS WANT THEM TO DO, UM, DOES THAT MEAN OKAY, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK, I THINK YOU'LL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MS. HURLEY, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE RICHARDS COMMISSIONERS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE INVOCATION THAT YOU LED THIS MORNING.
YOU STARTED US OUT ON SUCH A RIGHT NOTE BECAUSE WE DO LIVE IN A CHRISTIAN, A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY WHO DOES BELIEVE IN A HIGHER BEING, AND IT REALLY DOES GET THE COURT STARTED OFF.
RIGHT? I DO ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE PRAYED FOR OUR SOLDIERS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US.
BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET HERE TODAY, TO HAVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS. SO I DO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, BEFORE.
UM, SO I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS VERY BRIEF.
UH, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I DID WANT TO, UM, DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE, BUT, UH, OUR, SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE ALREADY RECOGNIZED THOSE ITEMS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO, UM, ILLUSTRATE A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS FIRST OFF I'M IN FAVOR OF US KEEPING THE MONUMENT HERE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
YES, IT IS AN UNOFFICIAL POLL, BUT IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH WE KNOW WE'RE LISTENING TO.
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OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THAT, UM, ON OFFICIAL POLL SAID, KEEP THE MONUMENT 86%.UM, SO THE CONSTITUENTS ARE IN FAVOR.
DON'T LET THE WORDS Y'ALL ARE GENTLEMEN THAT HAVE THAT I'VE SEEN LOTS OF DEBATES AND, AND THINGS HAPPEN, UM, THROUGHOUT YOUR TERM ON THE COURT.
DON'T LET THE WORDS OF A FEW, OH, I AM IT OVERDUE? WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING TO YOU? OUR VETERANS, WHETHER THEY BE OUR CURRENT VETERAN OR OUR CURRENT SOLDIERS RIGHT NOW, OR WHETHER THEY BE VETERANS ANYTIME SINCE TEXAS HAS BEEN A STATE OR EVEN BEFORE IT WAS A STATE.
IN FACT, OUR MOMS, OUR DAUGHTERS, OUR WIVES PRAYED FOR THOSE SOLDIERS.
THEY WERE SOLDIERS WHO FOUGHT UNDER A CONFEDERATE FLAG, WHICH WAS AN OFFICIAL FLAG OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
PLEASE DO WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE ASKING AND LET THE MONUMENT REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT PLACE.
THAT'S THE LAST, UH, THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE OR SOMEBODY WANTING TO SPEAK? UH, SO THAT MOVES US ON TO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ITEM THREE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ANY NECESSARY ACTION REGARDING THE KAUFMAN COUNTY MONUMENT, UH, FOLLOWING THE REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE MADE NO RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE COMMITTEE NEVER, UH, HAD ANY AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER, UH, TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
WE, THE, UH, THE INTENTION OF THAT COMMITTEE WAS TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, VOICE THEIR OPINION.
AND I THINK THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB AT THAT.
SO, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION? WELL, I GUESS WE'LL START ON PRECINCT ONE THIS TIME, WE'LL GO FROM FOUR BACK THE OTHER WAY.
UH, BELIEVE ME, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'VE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND I'VE LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
AND I, AND THEN I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN REALLY PUT IN WORDS HOW I REALLY FEEL IT'S, UH, I DON'T, IF I'VE TRULY BELIEVED TAKEN DOWN THAT STATUTE WOULD CHANGE THE WAY WE LOOK AT EACH OTHERS AS HUMAN BEINGS AND RESPECT EACH OTHER CHANGE THAT THAT WOULD BE FOR MOVING IT IN A HEARTBEAT.
I DON'T THINK MOVING THE STATUE IS GOING TO CHANGE HOW WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE RAISED WITH YOUR PARENTS MIGHT THAT INFLUENCE ON YOU AS A CHILD AND YOU GROW UP AND THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE AROUND INFLUENCE YOU, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT, UH, HELPED YOU GROW AS INDIVIDUALS AND RESPECT OTHERS.
AND I DON'T THINK SOMETHING, MATERIAL THING, LIKE MOVING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES REALLY OUR HISTORY IS, IS OUR HISTORY.
IT JUST LIKE MY HISTORY IS MY HISTORY AND THE MISTAKES I'VE MADE AND THE THINGS I'VE DONE RIGHT.
ARE PART OF ME, I THINK, IS FOOLISH ON MY PART, NOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MISTAKES THAT I'VE MADE.
SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR HISTORY, BUT WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE FAULTS THAT, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IS AS A NATION AND AS A PEOPLE AND AS INDIVIDUALS, UH, I THINK THAT THAT CAN START A CONVERSATION AND IT HAS STARTED A CONVERSATION AND I APPLAUD THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT IT UP, ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT ARE GREATER THAN JUST HISTORY AND THAT STATUE.
AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR DOING THAT.
AND, UH, AND I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED A LOT OF STUFF DURING THE COMMITTEES THAT THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH DURING THE COMMITTEES.
I'VE, I'VE, I'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS.
AND JUST TO BE TOTALLY FRANK, A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY FROM THE HEART AND THEY REALLY TRULY ARE SAYING THIS BECAUSE OF HISTORY.
SOME OF THEM ARE SAYING WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
AND THEN YOU CAN READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST DEALING WITH THE STATUES THAT REPRESENTS HISTORY ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE PUT SOMETHING UP THERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A PEOPLE AND HOW WE WANT AND NOT
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BELITTLE THE HISTORY BY NO MEANS, BUT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT THIS YEAR CAN BE A CONVERSATION STARTER WITH YOUR OWN KIDS.AND WITH PEOPLE I KNOW WITH MY FAMILY, THIS HAS BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION STARTER AND NOT EVERYBODY AGREES AND SEES IT THE SAME WAY.
AND I'VE GOT A PRETTY BIG FAMILY.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S, BUT WE'RE ALL, WE ALL SEE THINGS DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM NATIONWIDE WITH SYSTEMIC RACISM.
IT'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN.
THERE'S BEEN SLAVES, THERE'S BEEN EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, WE ALL HARBOR OUR OWN PRESENCES, YOU KNOW, BUT AS WE GROW AS PEOPLE, AND WE REALIZE THAT THOSE PREJUDICES, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT AS FACTFUL AS WHAT YOU THINK YOU ARE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD GET TOGETHER AND ACKNOWLEDGE FOR THE CONVERSATION.
SO APPARENT BLACK, WHITE, PINK, ROUND, SHORT, WHATEVER CAN COME UP THERE WITH THEIR KIDS AND TALK ABOUT THE SITUATION WE CAN'T CONTROL, WHAT THEIR PARENT IS GOING TO TELL THEIR KIDS OR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THEIR KIDS DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, BUT AT LEAST IT STARTS A CONVERSATION AS A CONVERSATION PIECE.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE US SPENDING THE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO MOVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COST SO MUCH.
AND I REALLY WISH WE HAD A MORE FIRM COST.
WE, THE COMMITTEE SAID THAT THAT HURT SOMEWHERE AROUND 400,000 IS THE ONLY INFORMATION I'VE GOTTEN, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO TAKE FROM THE CONFERENCE WITH THE COUNTY, FOR SOMETHING FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION AS A PEOPLE, AS A COUNTY.
SO OUT OF GUESTS, I RAMBLED, BUT I'M NUMBER ONE.
IT BRINGS US TO PRECINCT COMMISSIONER PRECINCT, NUMBER TWO.
AND, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO APPLAUD THE PEOPLE WHO STEPPED UP FOR THE COMMITTEE AND BILL HART, WHICH IS IN MY PRECINCT OF COURSE.
AND, UH, I REALLY ADMIRE THEM FOR HOLDING THE MEETINGS.
I SAT IN THE MEETINGS ON BOTH.
UM, THERE MEANS I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SIT IN THERE.
I KIND OF STOOD OUTSIDE AND LISTENED AND LISTENED TO EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS IT'S KIND OF HARD NOT TO RAMBLE IF YOU WANT TO RAMBLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM BEING PREJUDICE TO WHATEVER, WHAT I'M, I'M, UH, I'M WITH MIKE ON THIS.
I THINK THAT, THAT IF YOU REMOVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, I ALL A TV STORY ON THE CUSTOMER AND IN ANOTHER TOWN.
AND, AND I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT ONE MADE REAL SENSE THAT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE SOMETHING DOWN OR COVER SOMETHING UP IN OUR CASE.
YOU KNOW, UH, THIS HAPPENS TO BE A PRIVATE, I'VE BEEN TO VIETNAM TOO.
I'VE SEEN THIS SAME IDENTICAL STATUE.
UM, IT, IT KIND OF BOTHERS YOU TO THINK THAT PEOPLE DO WANT TO CHANGE HISTORY.
AND IT HAS BEEN NOTED THAT PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED HISTORY.
THEY DID CHANGE HISTORY IN THIS, UH, AND IT'S NOT CHANGING THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
CHANGE IN FUTURE, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT PROGRESS AND YOU WANT RELATIONSHIPS AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE KIND TO OTHER PEOPLE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY FEEL, THEN YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE FUTURE.
NOT THE PAST THE PAST IS EXACTLY THE PAST, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO FORGET THE PAST.
YOU CAN ONLY LEARN FROM THE PAST.
YOU CAN ONLY LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.
IT'S VERY HARD TO LEARN FROM THE FUTURE.
SO YOU NEED TO CHANGE AND ADDRESS THE FUTURE.
AND IF THIS MONUMENT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BY MOVING, IT I'D BE THE SAME WAY I'D BE VOTING.
THIS IS A PERSON THAT, OR MONUMENT THAT PEOPLE PUT UP TO ADDRESS THAT THEIR CHILDREN WENT OFF TO WAR.
IT'S NOT A GENERAL, IT'S NOT A PRESIDENT.
IT'S JUST A SYMBOL OF WHO THEY ALLOWED TO GO OFF AND FIGHT A WAR.
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THE WAR, WHETHER THEY BELIEVED IN THE WAR, WHETHER I'M SURE THAT IT'S JUST LIKE THE WAR THAT I WAS IN WHEN I WAS IN VIETNAM.I'M SURE THAT 50% OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAR.
AND I'M SURE 50% OF THEM PROBABLY LIKED THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR LEADERS AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
THAT'S WHATEVER COUNTRY DOES IS WHATEVER THEY FOLLOW THEIR LEADERS AND THEY CHANGE THEIR LEADERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE RACE, THE HISTORY IS NOT A GOOD, IT'S NOT A GOOD, IT'S NOT A GOOD, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD THING, UH, TO ME.
UM, SO I, I I'M WITH THE I'M IN THE CAR WITH MIKE ABOUT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT A THING THAT WARRANT MOVING.
UH, TO ME, THAT'S JUST THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
UH, I'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT IT.
BELIEVE ME, UH, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT CAN CHANGE ANYTHING.
AND I BUDGET OUR MONEY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND IN WHAT YEAR AND A HALF, IT WON'T EVEN BE IN FRONT OF A COURTHOUSE.
IT'LL BE IN FROM AN OLD COURTHOUSE, BUT IT WON'T BE IN FRONT OF THE JUSTICE CENTER WHERE THE COURTS ARE.
SO, BUT IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT JUSTIFIED OR HELPED PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS THAT THAT'S WONDERFUL.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO DECIDE NOW FELT LIKE I'M RAMBLING, BUT I JUST BELIEVE THAT YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE STATUTE IS AND THE STATUTES 110 YEAR OLD SOMETHING, SOMEBODY PUT A THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, HE'S A NO NAMED PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.
UH, WITH US BY PHONE, I GUESS, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBARA, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? WHAT'S YOUR HUNTING COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS ON THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER CAGE, WILL I DO IT? I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE THAT WORKS SO HARD ON THIS, AND ALSO REALLY THE CITIZENS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UH, JUST AS, UH, BOTH, UH, AS ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED, WE'VE ALL RECEIVED MANY, MANY, MANY, UH, COMMUNICATIONS LETTERS, UH, EMAILS, IN-PERSON VISITS, TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, CLEARLY THERE WAS, UH, AN INTEREST IN THIS, IN THIS MATTER.
AND, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, IN MY PRECINCT PRECINCT FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT I GOT, UH, WERE OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF, UH, LEAVING THE MONUMENT, LEAVING THE STATUE, UH, IN SIT YOU WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I, I MADE A HUGE EFFORT TO TRY TO BE COMPLETELY NEUTRAL IN THIS AND TO HEAR THE INPUT, UH, DELAY ANY KIND OF, UH, OF, UH, DECISION-MAKING ON MY PART UNTIL I HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE.
AND AS MANY OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY IS AS WANTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME.
UM, I HAPPENED TO BE A HISTORY MAJOR, SO I'M A LOVER OF HISTORY.
I ALSO LIKE, UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS AND SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS HERE.
I'M, UH, I'M A FORMER SOLDIER.
UM, I'VE BEEN TO THREE WARS AND, UH, I KNOW THE BURDEN, UH, THAT, THAT GOES WITH THAT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOUNG MEN GO OFF TO WAR.
UM, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I REALLY, UH, I'VE CONCLUDED A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ARE WORTHY OF MENTIONING NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
UH, YOU CAN IGNORE HISTORY, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
UM, AND, AND IF WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE OUR HISTORY, IF WE DON'T LEARN FROM IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A CLICHE WE'RE DOOMED TO REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST.
UM, SIMILARLY ART IS ART AND, UH, THERE IS AN ARTISTIC, UM, UH, COMPONENT TO THIS, TO THIS DEBATE.
UH, I THINK THAT THE, ALL OF THE MONUMENTS, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE IN, UH, IN THE REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED NOW, OR, OR IN KAUFMAN COUNTY,
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THEY ALL HAVE AN ARTISTIC, UH, ELEMENT.AND OF COURSE, AS WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, HEARD HERE THIS MORNING AND PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE, UH, THE, UM, CLASSIFICATION OF THIS STATUE AS A CENOTAPH BRINGS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IT BECOMES TRULY A SENSE OF TAF BECOMES TRULY A MEMORIAL, UH, TO THE DEAD THAT, UH, ARE NOT OTHERWISE, UH, BURIED IN A CEMETERY PERHAPS, UH, WHERE THEIR GRAVES WERE UNKNOWN IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE, UH, OF THE COUNTRY DURING THE CONFLICT.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, ARE, WERE, WERE FACTORS THAT I CONSIDERED.
I ALSO CONSIDERED THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IN AMERICA, I MEAN, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS FIRST.
WE, WE LOVE OUR STATE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG.
AND IN AMERICA, WE HAVE EVOLVED AS A SOCIETY.
UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM PERFECT, BUT I THINK THAT OUR, UH, OUR EVOLUTION, OUR CULTURE HAS, HAS HAD A GREAT LEAP FORWARD FROM, UH, THE TIME OF THE CIVIL WAR AND THAT, THAT HORRIBLE CONFLICT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TODAY.
UM, MOST OF US AS CITIZENS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELINEATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF, IF YOU WILL, THAT, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN EMBRACE THE POSITIVE THINGS OF THE PAST WITHOUT, UH, EMBRACING OR WITHOUT, UH, CONTINUING THE FLAWS, UH, THAT EXISTED IN SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, WHICH ARE HISTORICAL PEOPLE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, DURING THAT TIME HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
THEY HAD A DIFFERENT EDUCATIONAL STANDARD, AND I THINK WE HAVE MOVED WELL BEYOND THAT IN THIS NATION TO OUR CREDIT.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO, UH, THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, IF YOU WILL, UH, SO THAT YOU DON'T, UH, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO ACCEPT ALL OR NONE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEPARATE THAT WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF AND MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, HERITAGE AND HISTORY WITHOUT, UH, THAT IMPLYING THAT WE EMBRACE FLAWED CONCEPTS.
UM, AND THE LAST THING THAT REALLY WEIGHED ON ME THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS, UH, IS, UH, WAS PRESENTED TO US, I THINK ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THAT THIS EVER CAME IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THAT THIS ISSUE CAME AND WITHOUT GETTING IN THE WEEDS, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TOLD A STORY OF, UH, HOW HE HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN TAKING A, UH, A PRISONER THAT, UH, WAS DUE IN COURT.
AND THAT, UH, THAT, THAT PRISONER, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WAS A MINORITY PRISONER.
AND AS HE WENT TO COURT THAT DAY INTO OUR COURTHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, HE HAD TO PASS UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, THAT CONFEDERATE STATUE.
AND THAT, UH, IN THE TELLING IF I, IF I'M GETTING IT CORRECTLY, UH, THAT PRISONER THAT, UH, DEFENDANT EXPRESS REAL CONCERN, THAT HOW COULD, UH, HOW COULD A BLACK MAN GET ANY JUSTICE IN A COUNTY THAT HAD A STATUTE LIKE THAT IN FRONT OF ITS COURTHOUSE? SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, I HOPE I GOT MOST OF THE, OF THAT, RIGHT.
AND THE THING THAT STRUCK ME THAT DAY, AND THAT HAS REALLY RESONATED WITH ME FOR THE REST OF THE TIME THAT WE HAVE DEBATED AND CONSIDERED THIS IS, UH, IT IS MY ABSOLUTE BELIEF THAT, THAT DEFENDANT THAT DAY D I DID GET, UH, AN INCREDIBLE PORTION OF OBJECTIVE SUPPORTABLE, AMERICAN JUSTICE.
UM, I THINK IF WE COULD TALK TO THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT GUY'S TRIAL WAS, OR, OR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, HEARING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIVERSITY THAT EXISTS IN OUR COUNTY, IN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, IN OUR COURTS, OUR JUDGES, OUR PROSECUTORS, OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE TRUE DIVERSITY THERE THAT, UH, UM, EXISTS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, UM, MANY, MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE FEMALES LIKE OUR AUDITOR.
UM, I THINK WE, WE ARE A LIVING EXAMPLE THAT PERHAPS THE UNFORTUNATE SENTIMENTS THAT WERE THE PERSPECTIVE OF THOSE HISTORICAL CONFEDERATES BACK IN THE DAY ARE LONG DISMISSED IN THIS COUNTY.
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THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO EXPRESSED HIS CONCERN, HE COULDN'T GET JUSTICE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.I'M CONFIDENT HE GOT ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THE LAW WAS SERVED, THAT, THAT OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE WAS SERVED, THAT HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE PROTECTED.
AND, UH, I WONDER REALLY WHEN THE DEFENDANT LEFT THE COURTHOUSE THAT DAY, IF HE STILL FELT THE SAME WAY AS HE PASSED UNDERNEATH THAT STATUTE, BECAUSE I'M CONFIDENT THAT, THAT HE ABSOLUTELY GOT JUSTICE IN OUR COUNTY AND THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE KAUFMAN COUNTY THAT I'M PROUD OF.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SOCIETAL EVOLUTION.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD SINCE THE 1860S.
AND SO IN MY LAST THING, BECAUSE NOW I KNOW I'M RAMBLING SKI.
I THINK OUR, I THINK OUR LIVING EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CONDUCT OURSELVES OF HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER, BUT PARTICULARLY OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM DOES IN FACT, DELIVER, UH, BLIND JUSTICE, UH, ADMITTED BELIEVE THERE ARE GLITCHES AND ERRORS.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WE, I THINK THAT WE LIVE THE EXAMPLE THAT MATTER, I OVERWHELM ANY NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MY NOODLY REMAINED FROM, FROM, UH, OUR CONFEDERATE STATUE CROSSED THE STREET.
SO, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE THE ULTIMATE FAITH IN THIS COUNTY AND IN ITS CITIZENS.
AND, AND I SUPPORT THE, THE SENTIMENT THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, HAVE VERBALIZED THAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UM, HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER AND, AND WOULDN'T REMOVE IN A STATUTE CHANGE THAT OR NOT.
UM, THOSE KIND OF DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE IN YOUR HEART AND, UH, AND A PIECE OF CONCRETE OR GRANITE DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.
SO ON THAT BEING SAID, I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO, TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS STATUTE.
UM, I THINK IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE.
AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WHILE IT MAY HAVE A WHILE IT MAY HAVE AN INSCRIPTION THAT IS, UM, UH, SET IN STONE OVER THERE THAT, THAT, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE, THE, UH, UH, WHAT WE WISH IT WOULD BE.
THAT IS, UH, EVEN THAT INSCRIPTION IS A THING OF THE PAST.
AND WE, WE HONOR OUR SOLDIERS, WE HONOR PEOPLE, UH, IN THIS COUNTRY THAT, THAT DID THEIR DUTY, UH, AS THEY SAW IT AT THE TIME, BUT WE DON'T LIVE IN THOSE TIMES ANYMORE.
AND, UH, I THINK OUR LIVING CURRENT EXAMPLE, UH, IS A GREAT CONTRAST.
UH, SO I SEE NO REASON TO, UH, CERTAINLY NOT TO EXPEND ANY COUNTY FUNDS NOR TO TAKE ANY ACTION WITH THIS STATUTE.
LET ME JUST MAKE ONE BRIEF COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO CONCLUDE THIS MATTER.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING EVER BAD ABOUT CIVIL DIALOGUE.
I THINK SOMETHING, I THINK, THINK GOOD THINGS COME WHEN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND TALK TO EACH OTHER.
AND, UH, AND THIS IS A HARD THING SOMETIMES BECAUSE SOME OF US ARE VERY STRONG IN OUR OPINIONS, BUT CIVIL DIALOGUE AND TRYING TO WHAT STARTED REALLY WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING FOR ME WAS A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH SOMEONE WHO I RESPECT.
AND, UM, AND SHE SAID BEFORE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE ON THIS OR WHAT TO DO.
AND SHE SAID, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT WAS THE IDEA OF WHERE THE COMMISSION SPRUNG UP.
I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE WAY THAT THEY CONDUCTED THEMSELVES, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, THE LI THE GOS OSHA STEPPED UP TO LEAD THAT EFFORT.
AND I'M TRYING TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE BELIEVES IN THEIR HEART, UH, IS, HAS GREAT VALUE IN IT.
THERE SEEMS TO BE, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE, UH, A TREND THAT SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU'RE A BAD PERSON.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT, I THINK WE SAW A LOT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS HERE.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THERE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEBODY ELSE FELT ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
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SO LET'S SEE ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANY, HAS ANYTHING TO ADD AFTER THIS EXHAUSTIVE DISCUSSION? UH WHAT'S BEFORE US IS ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ANY NECESSARY ACTION REGARDING THE KAUFMAN COUNTY MONUMENT.FOLLOWING THE REPORT OF OUR COMMITTEE IS OUR EMOTION.
I, I THINK THE CINEMA JUDGES IS THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR ACTION, I GUESS.
IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT NO ACTION BE TAKEN.
WELL, I CAN, I JUST, I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
IF THERE IS NO MOTION, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU MAKE A, WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION.
SO WE, SO I DON'T HEAR THERE ISN'T EMOTION.
AND SO IF THERE'S A, THERE'S NO MOTION, THEN WE PASS THE ITEM AND WE
[4. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter into a public hearing.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS DISCUSSED, CONSIDER, DISCUSS, CONSIDER EXITING REGULAR MEETING AND ENTER INTO PUBLIC HEARING.UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING NOT ALLOWING THROUGH TRUCKS ON COUNTY ROAD THREE 29 IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF COFFIN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE AND PLACING NO, NO THROUGH TRUCKS SIGNS ON THE SAME.
UH, THE, UH, I'M STANDING IN FOR COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, BARBARA ON THIS, THIS INVOLVES A ROAD, UH, COUNTY ROAD THREE 29.
THAT IS BEING USED BY HEAVY TRUCKS TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND MATERIALS TO A WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN HAUL ROAD THAT WAS BUILT TO SERVICE THAT PLANT.
AND, UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY DRIVING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL COUNTY ROADS, UH, AND THIS WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THAT.
SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
I NEED A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO, UH, EXIT REGULAR MEETING AND GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[5. Judge Richards; Public Hearing; to receive input from the public regarding not allowing thru trucks on County Road 329 in the unincorporated area of Kaufman County Precinct 3, and placing "No Thru Trucks" signs on same.]
NOW.UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WITH US YOU WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION? IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED ACTION? UH, THERE'S NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
[6. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting public hearing and enter back into regular meeting.]
ASK FOR A MOTION TO EXIT A PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO A REGULAR MEETING.I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[7. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider approving not allowing thru trucks on County Road 329 in the unincorporated area of Kaufman County Precinct 3 and placing "No Thru Trucks" signs on same.]
ITEM DISCUSSED.CONSIDER APPROVING NOT ALLOWING THREE TRUCKS ON COUNTY ROAD THREE 29 IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF KAUFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT THREE AND PLACING NO THREE TRUCKS SIGNS ON THE SCENE.
YOU HEARD THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER.
BARBARA, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS FOR THE PUTTING IN THOSE, MAKING THOSE NO THREE TRUCK SIGNS IN PLACE.
IS THERE A SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER HURT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES AUTOMATE,
[8. Chief Kitchens; Discuss/Consider approving the deputation of William Jones as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman Precinct #2 Constable's Office as a contract deputy for a newly added position.]
UH, CHIEF KITCHENS DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING DEPUTIZATION OF WILLIAM JONES AS A DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH KOPPLIN COUNTY PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE AS A CONTRACT DEPUTY FOR A NEWLY ADDED BUDGET.GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A, UH, INCREASE IN ONE OF THE CONTRACT POSITIONS THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE, UH, CONTRACT E UM, DEPUTY JONES, UH, HAS A, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON THE DETENTION SIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
HE'S DECIDED TO COME OVER TO THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT HIS PROFESSIONALISM MATURITY IS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, WILL ADDED BENEFIT TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND, UH, ASK THAT YOU APPROVE HIS DEPUTATION AGAIN.
UH, THIS IS FOR AN ADDED POSITION, UM, ON THE CONTRACTS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE CONTRACTS, BUT IT'S JUST A BUDGETED POSITION.
IS THIS A NEW POSITION OR IS THIS, IS THIS IN THE BUDGET POSITION? ACCORDING TO THE NEW CONTRACT AND IT WAS, UH, IT WAS ANTICIPATED AND IT WAS, UH, ADDED IN, IT IS IN THE BUDGET.
IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THAT POSITION IS IN THE BUDGET.
SO, BUT NOW IT'S FUNDED WITH THE CONTRACT.
THAT WENT DOWN SAYING, HEY, IF WE HAVE, WE SEEN THAT CONTRACT, I MEAN, THERE'S, THAT, THAT POSITION IS, IS, IS ACTUALLY SPECIFIED IN THERE THAT THIS WAS AN ADDED POSITION UNDER A NEW COUNTRY, CORRECT? NO, NO.
IT'S ONE OF THE CURRENT CONTRACTS, UH, THEY REQUESTED IN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL.
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AND IT WAS, WE HADN'T STAFFED IT YET.THE CONTRACT THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED IN, VOTED ON, UH, FOR THE, UH, ONE C CONTRACT, UH, INCLUDED THAT WHEN I WORKED WITH KAREN'S OFFICE, UH, WE HAD ANTICIPATED CAUSE WE'D ALREADY RECEIVED THE REQUEST FOR THE INCREASING.
WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTED REQUEST FOR THE INCREASE OF THE POSITION, WHICH CONTRACT IS THIS? UH, ONCE HE WOMEN FORMS. OKAY.
HAVE YOU, YOU VERIFY THAT THIS WAS A FUNDED POSITION ON YEAH, WE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT PART OF IT.
THERE IS A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT POSITION.
AND NO, SIR, THERE ISN'T I HAD ALL THE LINE ITEMS TO ESTABLISH THE BUDGETS AND ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED.
SO I DIDN'T, I'M NOT SUBMITTING IT FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH THAT BUDGET.
TH THIS, THIS BUDGET WAS ALREADY SUBMITTED.
THE WOMEN FORMS BUDGET WAS SUBMITTED BACK IN OCTOBER, THE ONE SEATBELT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY BUDGET, NOT THE CONTRACT BUDGET.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS POSITION IN THE CO IN THE COUNTY'S BUDGET.
WE HAVE TO ADJUST THAT, THAT BUDGET FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE NEW AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE MADE TO ADD A POSITION.
WELL, IF WE'RE ADDING A POSITION IN THE COUNTY BUDGET, THEN WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'D NEED YOU TO BRING THAT BACK TO US AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT LINE IN THE COUNTIES, BUT YOU'RE JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH THEM ABOUT THE CALL FROM THE COUNTY'S BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE AN, A, THIS WOULD BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY, IS THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED LAST MONTH.
UH, WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN I PRESENTED THE, UH, THE BUDGET FOR THE, THE COUNTY BUDGET MODIFICATION, UH, BECAUSE OF THE NEW PROCEDURES THAT WE HAD ESTABLISHED WORKING WITH KAREN'S OFFICE AND HOW TO BUILD THESE BUDGETS, UM, AND GETTING THOSE BUDGET BOARD'S APPROVAL AND PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
WHEN I PRESENTED THE ONE SEED BUDGET FOR THE BUDGET MODIFICATION TO THE COUNTY BACK LAST MONTH, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT REASON SO THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD APPROVE THE BUDGET FOR THE MODIFICATION ON THAT CONTRACT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET BACKGROUND IN THE BUDGET IS EVERY POSITION IN THE COUNTY.
EVERY SINGLE POSITION IN THE COUNTY IS, IS, IS DEAD.
GO AHEAD, KAREN, GO UP THERE AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT'S IN THE BOOK WHAT'S IN OUR DOCUMENT FOR TODAY.
SO, UM, IN TODAY'S DOCUMENT, THERE'S I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT KITCHENS HAS, UM, IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR, UM, SEVERAL, ALL FOUR CONTRACTS ARE PART OF OUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, UM, UNDER THE NEW CONTRACTS THAT HE HAS GOTTEN APPROVED BY THE CONTRACT BOARDS.
SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY AT NOTHING CHANGED WITH THESE CONTRACTS, BUT SINCE THEN HE HAS PRESENTED NEW CONTRACTS, UPDATED CONTRACTS TO THE BOARDS, EIGHT, ALL FOUR OF THEM, THEY HAVE ALL AGREED, UM, WITH THE NEW BUDGETS, THE WINDMILL FARM BUDGET WAS THE ONLY ONE CURRENTLY THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
UM, THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE COUNTY SIDE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE COURT TODAY.
WHAT'S THE UPDATED NUMBERS FOR ALL FOUR CONTRACTS.
AND I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT POSITIONS, IS THAT LIKE, IF I WANT TO ADD A POSITION IN MY OFFICE, THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO DO IS GET A BUDGET AMENDMENT, SPECIFYING THE POSITION AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO MY BUDGET.
AND THEN STEP TWO, I KIND OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND ASK FOR, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND STEP TWO COULD ACTUALLY BE DONE THE SAME DAY.
BUT STEP TWO WOULD BE TO ASK FOR THAT TO BE FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.
YOU THINK I HAVE THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND I THINK WHERE THE PROBLEM IS IS THOSE NEW CONTRACTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CIVIL DA'S OFFICE TO REVIEW AND TO GIVEN TO Y'ALL AND THEN YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT NEW CONTRACTS.
UH, THEY'RE ALL EXISTING CONTRACTS.
IT'S JUST INCREASES IN THE, UH, THE EXISTING CONTRACTS.
AND ANY CHANGE IN THE CONTRACT HAS GOT TO
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GO THROUGH THE CIVIL DA'S OFFICE BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.IS IT WHERE, UM, ONLY THE BUDGETED IN THE CONTRACT? NO, NONE OF THE CONTRACTS POSITIONS, UH, OR ONE OF THE, NONE OF THE CONTRACT, UH, CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED, UH, THE INCREASE IN THE WINDMILL FARMS BUDGET.
OUR POSITIONS WAS, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE DA AND US AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, IT WAS DONE IN TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS, WHICH IS SPECIFIED IN THE CONTRACT AS AGREED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
UM, THEY INCREASED A HALF POSITION.
WELL, BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY STOP THAT POSITION, THEY INCREASE ANOTHER HALF POSITION TO CREATE THE FULL POSITION.
UH, THAT WAS ALL DONE IN, UH, SEPTEMBER PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, WORKING WITH KAREN'S OFFICE, UH, THE NEW, I GUESS, GUIDELINES THAT WE BUILT WORKING WITH BRANDY ON HOW TO CREATE THE BUDGETS, UM, TAKING THEM BACK TO THE BUDGET BOARDS.
IT DELAYED GETTING THE, THE NEW CONTRACT BUDGETS, UH, CREATED AND WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND IMPROVED WITHIN THE GUIDELINES IN TIME TO PRESENT TO THE CUST, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
SO THAT WAS THE REASONING THAT WE PRESENTED THE BUDGET MODIFICATION FOR THE ONE C BUDGET LAST MONTH.
AND THEN TODAY WE'RE DOING THE OTHER THREE, UM, PRESENTING THOSE BUDGETS FOR THE BUDGET MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE, UH, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEIR BOARD MEETINGS, BUT THE POSITIONS, UH, ON THE, THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS PRESENTED TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND THE A ONE C BUDGET, UM, WAS PRESENTED LAST MONTH AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT LAST MONTH.
IF REBECCA LOOKED AT IT, THAT'S FINE.
HONESTLY, I'M JUST HAVING, JUST TRYING TO TIE IT ALL TOGETHER TODAY IS WHAT, WHAT THE GAP IN TIME.
AND I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS BEING TIED BACK TO A PREVIOUS, ALL THE CONTRACTS ARE COMPLETE LEAVE THE SAME, ALL THIS WAS, WAS, UH, THEIR WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE COUNTY TO INCREASE PERSONNEL.
SO HERE'S MY QUESTION FOR THIS IS FOR THE AUDITOR AND I DON'T, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, THAT'S OKAY.
WE ARE ADDING, WE ARE ADDING AN EMPLOYEE IN CONSTABLE IN PRECINCT TWO.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM SEVEN DEPUTIES TO EIGHT DEPUTIES.
DO WE HAVE, I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE.
SO DO WE HAVE EIGHT DEPUTIES IN CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO IN THE BUDGET? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THIS POSITION SPECIFIED IN THE BUDGET? OKAY.
THEN THIS, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UH, THAT, THAT WE DOT OUR I'S AND CROSS OUR T'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, AND THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAS FOUGHT THIS BATTLE MANY TIMES ABOUT MAKING IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY THAT A POSITION, UH, THAT A POSITION IS A POSITION AT A CERTAIN WAGE.
AND IF ANY OF THAT CHANGES, YOU ADD POSITIONS.
EVEN IF YOU CHANGE THE TITLE OF A POSITION THAT NEEDS TO GO IN AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT, IT NEEDS TO GO INTO OUR BUDGET.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THAT OD DOTTED.
SO, YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT ANY CHANGE TO A CONTRACT IS, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE SAME CONTRACT, IT'S A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WINDMILL FARMS MAY AGREE TO THAT CHANGE, BUT THE, BUT THE COURT, IF IT'S NOT PRESENTED TO THE COURT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE OTHER PARTY TO THE CONTRACT.
SO, SO ANY CHANGE, YOU KNOW, FUNDING LEVELS, STAFFING, ALL OF THAT IN MY MIND ALTERS THE CONTRACT.
HERE'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT COMMISSIONER ITEM 15 ON THE BUDGET TODAY IS RAELYNN IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT APPROVING A MODIFICATION IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THE TEXAS SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION BOARD.
THE ONLY THING IS CHANGING IN THAT CONTRACT IS THE SCHEDULE.
THE DOLLARS ARE THE SAME, NOTHING ELSE IS CHANGING, BUT IS A CHANGE IN THE CONTRACT.
AND IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE DA'S OFFICE AND IT'S GOT TO BE APPROVED.
THAT CHANGE HAS GOT TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST A CHIEF THAT YOU BRING THAT POSITION BACK TO US.
YOU HAVE TO, WE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN THE BUDGET AS A LINE ITEM AND, UH, AND FUNDED IN THE COUNTY'S BUDGET.
NOT IN THE, I'M, NOT WHAT THE CONTRACT BUDGET THOUGH, PUT IT BACK INTO THE POSITION, WHETHER IT WAS BRINGING IT TO US FOR A POSITION.
AND SO WE CAN ADD THE POSITION INTO THE EXISTING BUDGET BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE THIS MANY, THESE, EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A LINE ITEM NUMBER, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LINE ITEM
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NUMBER.WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, JUDGE, I'VE EXPRESSED THIS CONCERN BEFORE I WANT TO RE-EXPRESS IT THAT, AND AGAIN, DON'T, DON'T BE OFFENDED, UH, DEPUTY THAT, UH, THAT CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO, UH, MOUNTS LIKE THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEPUTIES YOU HAVE OUT THERE NOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU GOT, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET A PRETTY BIG STAFF, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION IS COMPLEX AND, AND, UH, I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE, AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE ALL THESE CONTRACTS ARE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ASSIGNED TO WHICH CONTRACT AND HOW TIMELY ARE THE PAYMENTS.
SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE COURT TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF, UH, A MORE FORMALIZED, UH, OVERSIGHT OF THESE CONTRACTS, AT LEAST, UH, UH, AND THAT MAY VERY WELL BE IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE OR MAYBE THE CONTRACTS ARE WITH THE COUNTY MAY REQUIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE PERSON TO DO THAT.
BUT I, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO, TO, UH, TAKE, UH, A HARD LOOK AGAIN, NOT, NOT TO UNDO THE CONTRACT, NOTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST TO ENSURE THAT OUR I'S ARE DOTTED AND OUR T'S ARE CROSSED ABOUT THESE CONTRACTS BECAUSE THEY ARE UNIQUE, UH, AND DO YOUR PRECINCT.
SO I THINK I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO, UH, ON THIS ITEM TO TABLE THAT MOTION AND WE CAN BRING IT UP WE'RE MEETING EVERY WEEK.
SO WE COULD DO, WE COULD BRING THAT UP AT THE NEXT NEXT WEEK, NEXT TUESDAY, JUST GET IT ROLLED UP, CHANGE IT AND MAKE IT TO WHERE KAREN CAN ADD THE LAND.
ADAM FOR THE EMPLOYEE IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING THIS MOMENT.
AND, UH, I'LL GO BACK AND REVERIFY THAT AND WORK WITH, UH, YEAH, WELL, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE IT'S ALL RIGHT.
CHECK WITH KAREN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL THAT WE HAD ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THAT, BUT I'LL GET WITH THEM AND VERIFY THAT WE HAVE.
AND I KNOW IN THE PAST, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE INCREASES ON THEY, JOHN, JUST WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WAY THEY'VE DONE IT.
BECAUSE SINCE IT WAS A CONTRACT, THEY WERE JUST ADDING THE DEPUTY SINCE WE WERE OUT IN, ON COSTS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT TO THIS.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THE BATTLE, WE'VE ALL FOUGHT THIS BATTLE OVER THE LINE ITEM.
SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW IS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO FIGHT ABOUT, UM, UNTIL BEGINNING, WELL, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW AND YEAH, BUT I MEAN THAT WE DID SEPARATE EACH EMPLOYEE AS A LINE ITEM, IN A SENSE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ON ONE LINE ITEM NUMBER.
SO JUST SEPARATE THAT AND BRING IT BACK ON TO NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.
AND ONE LAST QUESTION BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT, UH, YOU SAID YOUR, YOUR PROPOSED HIRE IS, COMES FROM DETENTION, BUT HE'S NOW HE'S NOW AN ACADEMY GRADUATE, A CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER IN FIVE PIECES BEFORE WE GET A TABLE, THIS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE, YES, YES, SIR.
IN THE LINE ON OUR TRANSFERS AND BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE AT THE END OF COURT, IT IS THERE TO ESTABLISH THAT ONE POSITION.
SO THEN WE CAN JUST BRING THIS BACK NEXT WEEK IF THAT'S THE, OF WILL THE COURT TO VALUE.
SO WE CAN STILL DO THE TRANSFERS, BUT HE JUST NEEDS TO GET THE POSITION.
AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THE MONEY IN THE LINE OUT OF HIM.
AND YOU'RE JUST BRINGING IT BACK TO EXCEPT IT WILL JUST, OKAY.
I'M LOOKING FOR A TABLE MOTION TO MAKE THAT I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
TAKE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS LOOSE THE TABLE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEC, COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.
[Items 9 - 11]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING SUPPLEMENTAL CANINE HANDLER PAY FOR DEPUTY ERIN ROSS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,500 PER YEAR.WHAT THEY TOTAL FISCAL OF 29 39 TO BE PAID OUT OF PATROL CONTRACT FUNDS? UH, YES, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, NINE, 10 AND 11 OR HOUSEKEEPING.
UH, THEY ARE SUPPLEMENTAL PAYS, UM, FOR THESE DEPUTIES FOR, UH, ADDED SERVICES, UH, DEPUTY ROSS AS A CANINE HANDLER.
UM, DEPUTY SORRY, CORPORAL FOREMAN, UH, AS A FIELD SUPERVISOR IN CORPORAL SCHROCK AS A FIELD SUPERVISOR, UH, THESE FUNDS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN CURRENT CONTRACT, UH, BUDGET FUNDS, UH, AND WE'LL HAVE NO COST TO THE COUNTY.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GIVING EACH OF THOSE EMPLOYEES A $2,500 RAISE.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE WITH OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE OTHER CONSTABLES? RIGHT.
SO I SEE A, I SEE A STORM OF RUIN.
THE, AND THIS IS, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS.
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CHEST FULL OF MONEY, IF YOU CAN CONVINCE THEM TO SPEND IT ON Y'ALL.SO YOU GO AND YOU, OUT-PRICE ALL OF OUR EXPERIENCED OFFICERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HARD TO KEEP ON THE STREET.
IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, WHEN YOU START DOING THAT AND I'M NOT LIKE FLASHING AT YOU, IT'S JUST, YES, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE COUNTY.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE AN OBSTACLE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN BY AL AND HIS SALARIES THAT WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH, WE ALREADY HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THE METROPLEX, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY.
ALSO, THIS IS THE LOSE LOSE DEAL.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PEOPLE MIGHT BE DOING ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I'M SURE THAT THE OTHER CONSTABLES ARE, AND THE OTHER DEPUTIES AND PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY PAID TO.
WE ALL DO, YOU KNOW, HECK ON THE TRASH MAN.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THESE PAY RAISES ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT, SINCE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A SET PAY SCALE.
UM, THESE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, PAYS THEIR CORPORALS AND CANINE HANDLERS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MODEL BECAUSE WE WANT TO STAY CONSISTENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DO NOT IN ANY WAY, WANT TO, UH, GET INTO ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE COMPENSATING, UH, AT A RATE THAT IS ABOVE AVERAGE FOR WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR THE OTHER CONSTABLE'S OFFICES PAYS.
BUT IT'S MY, IT WAS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH, AGAIN, THE COUNTY DIDN'T, DOESN'T HAVE A SET PAY SCALE THAT CORPORALS AND CANINE HANDLERS WERE SUPPLEMENTED AT A RATE OF $2,500.
I GUESS HE'S ASKING, DID YOU MAYBE GO HOME TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WEB THAT MAY BE IN FIGURE OUT ONE THAT'S IN LAND WITH THAT MONEY? I COULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEREVER THEY HAVE A SHERIFF'S WE HAVE A SHERIFF OFFICER HERE.
THEY PROBABLY ANSWER MAYBE SOME OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN OR NOT DO WHAT.
AND, AND, UH, DEPUTY TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, IN MY TWO YEARS HERE, WE'VE HAD THIS POLICY WHERE IF WE APPROVED AND WE HAVE, IN FACT, IF WE APPROVE SALARY INCREASES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ACROSS THE BOARD, THAT ALWAYS, UH, NECESSITATED AN ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UNIFIED PAYSCALE FOR OUR DEPUTY CONSTABLES AS WELL.
SO THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN WOULD BE IF YOU'RE PAYING MORE THAN ALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WOULD NEED TO GET PAID, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SERGEANTS AND CAPTAINS AND CORPORALS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE SERGEANTS AND CAPITALS IN THE CONSTABLE? WE DO HAVE A SERGEANT.
WELL, I THOUGHT YOU USED TO BE THE SERGEANT.
UH, WE DO HAVE A SERGEANT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, NEEDING, UH, FIELD SUPERVISORS, CORPORALS, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS, YOU KNOW, CORPORALS SERGEANTS, LIEUTENANTS, CAPTAINS, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PAID ADDITIONAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES IN.
WE TRY MIMIC EXACTLY WHAT THEY, THEY, THEY PAY.
WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE EQUAL AND FAIR, BUT EQUAL AND FAIR GOES BOTH WAYS.
I THINK NOT ONE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE'VE DONE THAT EVERY TIME THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY GOT A RAISE, WE'VE MADE THAT SALARY LEVEL APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE THAN THAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE ASKING IS IN THE SAME WAY THAT EVERY SUPERVISOR IS PAID A SUPPLEMENTAL PAY A SERGEANT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, CHIEF EVANS DOESN'T MAKE THE SAME THING AS THE DEPUTY DOES.
SO REALLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS YOU'RE RESTRUCTURING YOUR WHOLE CONSTABLE OFFICE TO BE MORE LIKE A DEPARTMENT, AN INDEPENDENT DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A SUPERVISORY CHAINS, A NEW TITLES, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
WE'RE SORRY, STRUCTURING AS A PROFESSIONAL INDUSTRY STANDARD DEPARTMENT, ANY DEPARTMENT, UH, WITHIN THE INDUSTRY, THEN THE REST OF THE CONSTABLES.
UM, I CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THE, THE OTHER CONSTABLES, UH, DON'T PARTAKE IN THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES THAT WE DO, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF THEY SAW THE SAME TYPE OF EVOLVEMENT THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'VE SEEN THERE, THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO STRUCTURE PROFESSIONALLY AS ANY AGENCY WOULD WANT TO DO.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
IT IS AN INDEPENDENT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HERE IN THE COUNTY AND PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS WOULD DICTATE THESE TYPES OF, OF PAY.
UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INCREASING A BASE DEPUTY, UM, HAVING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL NEEDS, SUPERVISION, SUPPORT SERVICES, SUCH AS THEY CANINE HANDLER IS ADDITIONAL.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST A DEVOTEE, IT'S SOMEBODY WITH ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND
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YEAH.AND, UH, AND ALSO I'LL JUST REMIND THE COURT THAT WE STILL DO HAVE A PENDING, UH, WAGE AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT.
SO WE'VE WE AS A, WE, AS A COURT HAVE, HAVE, UH, WE'VE DELAYED SOME OTHER PERSONNEL ACTIONS, UH, PARTICULARLY SINCE BUDGET OR DURING BUDGET FORMULATION, WAITING ON OUR WAGE AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY THAT WE FUNDED.
SO, UH, IT MIGHT GET, YOU MIGHT JUST BE PREMATURE AND THAT IS ONLY ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AWAY WHEN WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE WANTING TO STAY CONSISTENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OR HAVE US PAY OR BE UNFAIR.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PUBLISHED, UM, SALARY SCALE.
SO WE TRY, I TRIED TO MIMIC WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMES TO SITES, THEIR CORPORALS THEY'RE, UH, CANINE HANDLERS, BUT THERE'S NO PUBLISHMENT ON THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS, IT'S IN THE BUDGET.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
THEIR SALARIES ARE LISTED IN THE BUDGET, THE S UH, SPECIFIC ITEMS. IT'S JUST UNDER SALARY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS YEAR SWARM? IT PAY THEIR CANINE HANDLER.
IT'S DELANIA RIGHT IN THE BUDGET.
MAY I ENTER THE AUDITOR SPEECH? YOU KNOW, THE FINGER IN THERE, YOU GOT IT.
I WANT TO TELL Y'ALL SOMETHING.
WHEN THE SHERIFF BRINGS HIS BUDGET TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, HE HAS THOSE POSITIONS LISTED.
HOW MANY CAPTAINS, HOW MANY CHIEFS, HOW MANY SERGEANTS, HOW MANY CORPORALS, HOW MANY TRAINING OFFICERS, HOW MANY JUST REGULAR CLERKS, DEPUTIES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND Y'ALL APPROVE THAT NUMBER.
CAUSE YOU APPROVE IT IN THE BUDGET AT THOSE AMOUNTS WHERE THEY SHOULD DO THE SAME THING.
IF THEY'RE WILLING TO RESTRUCTURE THEIR GUYS IN CATEGORIES AND YOU ACTUALLY APPROVE IT IN THE BUDGET, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A CONSTABLE AND WE HAVE DEPUTIES IN EACH ONE OF THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC TITLES AND STUFF, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO.
I THINK, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT OF THE WHOLE BUDGET THING IS ADVANCED PLANNING.
UM, AND, UH, CHIEF EVANS, THEY DON'T, SO YOU'RE THE SERGEANTS AND THEY DON'T GET SUPPLEMENTS RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE AT A DIFFERENT WAGE LEVEL AND THEY ONLY GET A STEP PAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE STEP PAYS IN RECORD THAT'S I FOUGHT FOR THAT STEP PAY.
AND THEN I FOUGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL GOT THE SAME STEP.
SO I HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT THAT YOUR PATIENT LAND EXACTLY WHAT THEIRS YOU SHOULDN'T EVER REMOVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FROM IT.
AND JUST LIKE THE FIRE MARSHALS, WE BROUGHT IT UP FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE A FIRE MARSHALL BACK THERE, HE GETS THE SAME STEP PAY.
HE GETS THE SAME DEAL, THE DETECTIVES IN THE, UH, THE DA'S OFFICE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ANY OF THIS MONEY, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT IT UP, UH, UH, IT LINES UP WITH THAT, BUT CHIEF EVANS, I'M SURE THAT WILL HELP SUPPLY YOU WITH WHAT THEY PAY THEIR SERGEANT, THEIR CORPORAL, THEIR LIEUTENANT, THEIR WHATEVER, AND IT BEING ALL ON THE SAME.
I WOULD FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT THE AUDITOR SAYS.
IT'S A DISCUSSION WE SHOULD BE HAVING IN JULY OR AUGUST.
NOT I, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT.
I'M THIS, I'M THIS SAYING WHAT IT SHOULD BE? UH, I DON'T KNOW OF A TIMELINE.
WHAT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL JUST BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER MONTH OF HISTORY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HEARTLAND OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THEY CHANGED FROM GRANTLAND, Y'ALL WANTED ANOTHER CONSTABLE'S OFFICE TO DO THAT? NOT SAYING WE KNEW, I'M NOT SAYING IF WE DID, THAT WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUDGET.
IT MIGHT NOT BE FROM YOUR BUDGET YEAR WHEN YOU'RE HIRING A CONTRACT, IF IT, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND BACK IN JULY FOR NEXT FEBRUARY, IF THEY'VE ADDED 400 AND SOMETHING HOMES AND THE CRIME RATES PICKED UP, WE NEED SOME WAY TO ADJUST IT.
UM, OR, OR THEY NEED SOME WAY THAT JUSTIN, NOT US, BUT IF WE, IF WE, IF WE DO, I'M NOT ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER WHO'S DOING IT OR NOT DOING IT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, DON'T FEEL, DON'T FEEL PUT UPON IF YOU'RE DEPUTY, BECAUSE, UH, UH, TH THIS IS A REALLY A PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY HAS HAS, UH, IN, IN, IN THE PAST, FOR INSTANCE, UH, LAST YEAR WE, THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, IN THEIR, IN THEIR ROLE AS, UH, RODEN BRIDGE, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, IF YOU WILL, WE, UH, WE RESTRUCTURED
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OUR DEPARTMENT, WE'VE CHANGED TITLES.WE, WE, UH, DELINEATED SPECIFIC DUTIES AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, PROPOSE THE LEVELS WITHIN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE OPERATIONS, UH, WHICH THEN FLOWED INTO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE'D ALSO ADJUSTED SALARIES.
SO ALL OF THOSE TITLE CHANGES THAT STRUCTURE, ALL OF THAT THEN CAME BEFORE THE COURT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED ANY OF THOSE CHANGES AND THE BUDGET.
SO, SO, UH, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THOSE TILES ARE, ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, CODIFIED IN OUR BUDGET AND, AND, UH, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST HOW YOU STRUCTURE, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST AS SIMPLE AS MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOLLAR IS BALANCED.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT I THINK IT HAD BEEN POINTED OUT THE STATE BUDGET.
I MEAN, IT'S THE STATE SETS IT OUT FOR US.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BY ALL MEANS ANYTHING CHANGES, BUDGET AND A BUDGET, MINIMUM PAYROLL.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT WITH MAKING BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION? UH, WE HAVE REALLY THREE ITEMS. OKAY.
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT SAME CONCEPT NINE, 10, AND 11.
UH, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE THE OPTION OF TABLING.
WE HAVE THE OPTION OF VOTING UP OR DOWN, OR WE HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT TAKING ANY EMOTION AT ALL AND JUST PASSING OUT THEM.
SO ITEM NINE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING SUPPLEMENTAL CANINE HANDLER PAY FOR DEPUTY AARON ROSS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,500 PER YEAR WITH THE TOTAL FISCAL IMPACT OF 29 39.
THAT ITEM CAN BE MOTIONED AND VOTED ON, OR IT CAN BE PASSED IF THERE IS NO MOTION, MAKE A MOTION.
WE TABLE, UH, ITEM NINE, UH, PENDING, UH, THE NECESSARY, UM, THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS IN BUDGET BEING PROPOSED AND, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
AND THEN BROUGHT BACK BEFORE THE COURT.
WOULD YOU ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT ON YOUR MOTION TO MAKE THAT TABLING ITEMS NINE, 10, AND 11? YES, I WOULD.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER CAGE TO TABLE ITEMS NINE, 10, AND 11 IS OUR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES.
[Items 12 - 14]
TO ITEM 12, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING MODIFIED FISCAL YEAR 2021 CON CONTRACT PATROL BUDGET FOR COFFIN COUNTY MUD, NUMBER FIVE OF THE TRAVIS RANCH COMMUNITY.UH, THIS AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WHILE AGO, THIS WAS THE MODIFIED, UH, BUDGET.
UH, ONCE WE WENT WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, UH, ONCE WE WENT THROUGH THE NEW FORMAT AND GOT, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE, UH, BOARDS, UH, AND THEIR APPROVALS BACK TO THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SUBMIT IT TO Y'ALL.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND IT'S INTO NOVEMBER, UH, TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND IMPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE, UH, OF IT, UH, WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS THE REASON THAT WE KIND OF DELAYED.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE EVOLVED IT AND GOT IT RIGHT.
I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION THAT CAME UP WHILE AGO, THOUGH.
THIS SAYS, THAT HAS THIS ITEM BEEN, I'M LOOKING AT THE SUBMISSION THAT I GUESS CAME FROM YOU, IT SAYS, HAS DECIDED TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AGAIN, IT IS A CHANGE IN THE CONTRACT.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS NOT A CHANGE IN THE, THE, THE CONTRACT.
IT'S JUST THE BUDGET FOR THE CONTRACT.
THE POSITION AND STAFFING IS ALL THE SAME.
IF IT CHANGES THE BUDGET, IT CHANGES THE CONTRACT, THE, THE BUDGET, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS PART OF IT.
IT WAS THE CONTRACT ONLY SPECIFIED THE, UH, STAFFING REQUEST AND THE SERVICES PROVIDED THE CONTRACT.
DOESN'T HAVE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ATTACHED TO IT.
IF I'M REMEMBERING THESE CORRECTLY, I THINK THERE'S CONTRACTS HAVE EXHIBITS THAT HAVE EXHIBITS AND THOSE EXHIBITS ARE PART OF THE CONTRACT, BUT THOSE EXHIBITS ARE FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.
SO WHEN I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING THIS BUDGET, THOSE EXHIBITS IN EFFECT ARE CHANGING.
SO FROM THE DA'S OFFICE, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT JUST SO THAT WE CAN GIVE OUR BLESSING AND OUR STAMP OF APPROVAL, ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, OR MAYBE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD HELP US JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO LOOK AT IT.
SO NONE OF THESE 12, 13, OR 14, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REVIEWED
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BY Y'ALL.CAN I ASK THIS? I KNOW THERE WAS NO SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION IN MY BUDGET PACKET, BUT I DID FIND TRAVIS RANCH AND ALL OF THEM IN THE EMITTED BUDGET STUFF IS THAT PERTAIN TO THESE LINES.
AND ALSO, CAN I POINT OUT THERE'S A TYPO ON THIS ONE? UH, TRAVIS RANCH, UH, THE, THAT MUD IS GOING TO BE MUD, UH, SEVEN, UH, IT HAD SOME MED FIVE, YES, SEVEN MUD FIVE.
IT HAS MUD FIVE ON THIS IT'S ACTUALLY MONTH SEVEN.
SO WHAT THESE LINE ITEMS ARE, OR WHAT'S IN THE UPDATED BUDGET DOCUMENTS, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I THINK THERE'S NEW LEASE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE CIVIL DA'S, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY, UH, AND THEN MUD FIVE, WHICH IS THE NEXT, UH, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM THAT ONE WAS, UH, REVIEWED BY, UH, THE DA'S OFFICE ON THE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS A RETURNING CONTRACT.
SO SAYS NO ON THE, WAS IT REVIEWED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, YOUR SUBMITTAL, THE, THE MODIFICATION, THIS PARTICULAR MODIFICATION, UH, WASN'T REVIEWED THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ANYWAY, IF IT'S A MODIFICATION, IT'S CHANGING THE PAPER.
SO IF YOU CHANGE THE EXHIBIT, YOU CHANGE, IF IT WASN'T CHANGED COMMISSIONER, THE, THE NUMBER ON THE, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A, IN THE CURRENT COUNTY BUDGET, THERE WAS NOT A CLEMENS RANCH BUDGET.
UH, WITHIN THE CURRENT COUNTY BUDGET, THE EXHIBIT IS THE SAME THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THIS BUDGET MODIFICATION, UM, TO THE CURRENT COUNTY BUDGET.
BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WASN'T A CLEMENS RANCH CONTRACT WAS NOT REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING UNDER THE NEW, TRYING TO INTERPRET THE, THE NEW SUBMITTAL FORM.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS REFERRING TO IN THE CLEMENT'S CONTRACT.
THE ONE THAT WE LOST LAST YEAR, AND THEN IT'S COME BACK.
THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE TO THAT CONTRACT ENDED AND THEN CAME BACK.
BUT IT DIDN'T COME BACK BEFORE THE COURT.
COME BACK BEFORE THE COURT, YOU VOTED ON IT.
I JUST, I'M REALLY A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL REVIEW ALL THIS AND JUST GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY.
DO YOU FEEL, DO WE DO THE SAME THING SINCE CHIEF? KITCHEN'S GOING TO HAVE YOU BACK HERE.
DO YOU WANT TO MOTION TO TABLE THOSE THREE ITEMS THAT'LL WORK.
BUT KAREN REVIEW ALL OF THEM AND THEN PUT IT BACK HOME NEXT TUESDAY AFTER SHE TAKEN HER EIGHT.
SHE HAS TIME TO MAKE SURE SHE HAS TIME TO HIM.
CAUSE IT IS THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE GONE, BUT SHE SAID SHE CAN DO IT.
YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TABLE 12, 13.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 12 THROUGH 14.
WE HAVE MOTION ON COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS OR TABLE 12 THROUGH 14.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER AND CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YES, MA'AM BE JERRY.
I WANT YOU INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE AND CONSTABLE TOO.
WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER IF YOU HAD A SHORT WORKSHOP AND HAVE HER ALREADY HAVE REVIEWED ALL THE CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT, WE DO SOME SPREADSHEETS TO SHOW YOU THE CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE NEW TITLES AND STUFF, AND THAT THERE IS MONEY TO COVER IT WITH THE AGREEMENT OF THE CONTRACT.
SO WE CAN GET ALL THIS AND Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, SO I WILL, UH, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT.
UH, I'LL GET ANNABEL TO GET IN TOUCH WITH Y'ALL AND WE'LL SET THAT UP.
TELL YOU THE TITLES, THOSE PEOPLE, AND THEN WE DO A SPREADSHEET COMPARISON, MR. RAYLAND.
[15. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of modification #4 to TSSWCB Contract #CEDR90-REP-ST2-012-20.]
OKAY.RAYLAND DISCUSS, CONSIDER PRO APPROVAL OF MODIFICATION OF NUMBER FOUR.
SO AND WATER WATER CONSERVATION CONTRACT.
UM, I DID PASS OUT A BRAND NEW
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CONTRACT MODIFICATION, NUMBER FOUR.THERE'S JUST A FEW CHANGES IN THOSE DATES.
JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF PUT ALL OF OUR STOP WORK ORDERS AND WE KIND OF BUNDLE UP ALL OF OUR DAYS TOGETHER.
SO WE DON'T BRING THESE TO YOU QUITE OFTEN.
SO WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL CHANGE OUR END DATE ON CEDAR CREEK NANDI FROM DECEMBER 10TH.
IT'LL PUSH IT OUT THROUGH FEBRUARY THE SIXTH.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY MODIFICATION THE PROCESS REMAINS THE SAME, BUT IT'S GIVING THEM AN ADDITIONAL 58 DAYS HAS GOT A TIGER BY THE TAIL HERE.
HAVEN'T YOU? WE CAN'T LET GO OF IT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT MODIFICATION IS PRESENTED IN ITEM 15? SO MOVE, WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONED CASES OR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND WITH MR. PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES AND RAELYNN HERE IT IS.
WELL, I'LL JUST GIVE IT TO ANNABEL AND HAVE HER PASS IT TO YOU.
[16. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approval to negotiate contract terms and pricing, as ranked by Evaluation Committee, for RFQ 20-28: 2019 Kaufman County Bond Program - Engineering Services -Helms Trail.]
UH, DISCUSSING CONSIDER APPROVAL TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACT TERMS AND PRICING IS RANKED BY EVALUATION COMMITTEE RFQ 2028, 2019 BOND PROGRAM.THIS IS ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR HILMES TRAIL.
SO WE DID HAVE THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 16TH.
UH, IT INCLUDED A MEMBER OF LEGAL, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY ENGINEER.
WE DO HAVE OUR TOP FOUR ENGINEERING FIRMS. UM, MY ONE REQUEST IS THAT YOU WOULD ALSO ALLOW JOHN POLLSTER, OUR TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT TO ASSIST ME AS THE PURCHASING AGENT, UM, TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT AS WELL AS FEES SO THAT, UM, WE CAN BOTH SPEAK WITH THE FIRMS IN REGARDS TO THE CONTRACT.
WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE HIM AS WELL FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS.
AND SO BASED ON THE RANKING, WE WOULD START WITH NUMBER ONE, DAN, AND BOM, AND THEN MOVE DOWN TO THE FOURTH AS LISTED QUESTIONS.
OKAY, THEN, UH, NO, WE DISCUSSED IT THE OTHER DAY.
I MEAN, I BET COMMISSIONER PHYLLIS WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO AUTHORIZE THAT NEGOTIATION.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
WE HAVE MOTION CHRISTOPHER PHILLIPS FOR APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ON TO 17
[17. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider permission to solicit RFP 21-03: 2019 Kaufman County Bond Program - Professional Building Inspection Services.]
DISCUSS CONSIDER PERMISSION TO SOLICIT RFP 2003 COUNTY BOND PROGRAM, PROFESSIONAL BUILDING INSPECTION SERVICE.THIS WILL BE AN RFP FOR THE THIRD PARTY BUILT COMMERCIAL BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
THIS IS FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER, AS WELL AS THE PET ADOPTION CENTER.
THE CITY OF KAUFMAN WILL NOT BE PROVIDING THE BUILDING INSPECTION SERVICES FOR THOSE TWO CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
UM, THEY DID LET US KNOW EARLY ON THAT JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF STAFFING AND ALL OF THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS HAPPENING IN KAUFFMAN, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE PROVIDING THAT, UM, IN EXCHANGE, THEY WERE ABLE TO WAIVE SOME OF OUR PERMITTING BEES, SO THAT WILL HELP WITH THE COST.
UM, THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE WILL NOT HAVE TO SCHEDULE OUR INSPECTIONS THROUGH COFFIN COUNTY.
UM, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT I GAVE YOU AN AMENDED LEGAL NOTICE.
I DID CHANGE THE TIME THAT THE BIDS WILL BE DUE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT THAT MORNING SO THAT WE CAN START THE EVALUATION PROJECT PROCESS.
QUESTIONS MOVING RIGHT ALONG, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, UH, AUTHORIZE, UH RAYLAND TO SOLICIT RFP 2103.
SO MOVE FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CAGE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
I FORGOT THE DISCUSSION PART, BUT UH, AUTOMATE TEAM
[18. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider award of contract for RFP 21-01: Annual Contract for Lawn Maintenance]
DISCUSSING CONSIDER AWARD OF CONTRACT 2101 ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR LAWN MAINTENANCE.CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT HERE BEFORE YOU GET STARTED? KIND OF WHERE THIS ALL STARTED? UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD KIND OF A HODGE-PODGE PARTICIPATION FROM THE MUCH APPRECIATED PARTICIPATION FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH TRUSTEES.
WE HAD SOME ADULT PROBATION PEOPLE HELPING, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY WEEK WE WERE HAVING SOME SORT OF A SCRAMBLE AND THEN WHEN COVID HIT, WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SCRAMBLE TO GET THROUGH THE LAWN MOWED IS DONE.
AND THEN WHEN COVID HIT, UH, RODNEY'S TEAM OVER THERE PULLED THE PLUG ON US.
AND, UH, AS, AS DID ADULT PROBATION, LAYMAN ON RODNEY.
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HE'S THE ONE SITTING THERE.AND UH, SO IT OUT, IT WENT DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PECKING ORDER TO WHERE A COMMISSIONER WAS ON A LAWNMOWER YEAH, YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, IT WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND YOU'RE TOO HIGHLY SKILLED FOR B TO DOING LAWN MOWING.
SO, UM, IT, IT JUST GOT TO THE POINT HE JUST WAS, IT JUST BECAME THIS SORT OF OUR PLACE.
OUR FACILITIES LOOK TERRIBLE, SO, OKAY.
UM, I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS BID A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE WAY THAT THIS WAS BID OUT, IT WAS NOT BID OUT AS A ONE CONTRACT, MEANING THAT IT WAS A GUARANTEED PRO PROPERTIES ONE THROUGH 12.
SO THIS WAS BID OUT ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES SO THAT IF WE DECIDED THAT WE PERSONALLY WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN CERTAIN LAWS OR THAT WE SAW CERTAIN LOTS NEEDED MAINTENANCE OUTSIDE OF OTHERS, THAT WE COULD REQUEST A VENDOR TO TAKE CARE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE WOULD HAVE, UH, THE PRESS FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I WANT TO COMMEND OUR VENDORS PUBLICLY.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY PUT A REAL HONEST EFFORT INTO THIS BID.
UM, AS THE PURCHASING AGENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE RANGE THAT COMES IN, UM, I THINK THAT IT MEANS THAT THEY WERE A LITTLE UNCLEAR ABOUT THE BID ITSELF.
UM, I DID GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE VENDORS.
THERE WAS, UM, NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET FROM THE USER DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IN TO ASSIST THE VENDORS WOULD BE THAT WE DO HONOR THE TOO LOW VENDORS, UM, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR PRICING IS COMPARABLE TO EACH OTHER.
UM, AND, BUT THAT BID ONLY BE GOOD THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2021.
AND THAT THIS NOT BE A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT.
WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS REBID AGAIN IN AUGUST, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL DATA, UM, REALLY HAVE THE USER DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOTS.
WE KNOW EXACTLY THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OUT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I PUSH FOR PEOPLE TO MEET WITH, UM, STAY IN CONTACT WITH, AND I JUST, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT THE EXPECTATION IN THE BID.
SO I WILL BE REQUESTING EVEN WITH THESE TWO, I'M SORRY, EVEN WITH THESE TWO BENDER BITTERS, BECAUSE IT'S AN RFP WE CAN REQUEST, UM, BEST AND FINAL OFFER ONCE THEY PARTICIPATE IN MOWING OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM WITH NEGOTIATION.
SO THESE, THIS PRICING COULD COME DOWN, BUT IT COULD BE A SITUATION TO WHERE THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WE DEFINITELY UNDER BID THE WORK BECAUSE WE WERE UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT WENT ON.
SO I WANTED TO BE VERY UPFRONT THAT I FEEL LIKE OUR VENDORS, THE VENDORS THAT CONTACTED US, THEY STAYED, THEY STAYED IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, I WENT TO COMMEND THEM, BUT I, UM, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS WAS OUR FIRST ATTEMPT AT THIS BID.
AND I THINK THAT NEXT YEAR WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE SOMETHING BETTER AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE HISTORICAL DATA.
WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH THOSE LOTS DID COST US TO MOW, AND THAT WILL BE PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE OUT.
AND SO IT'LL GIVE US A BETTER, I THINK WE'LL GET A BETTER BID NEXT YEAR.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS BID ONLY BE GOOD THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2020, LIKE SALES, THESE VENDORS FACILITIES KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE ALL THESE ARE.
SO PHYSICAL DUTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED IN MEETING WITH THE VENDORS AND SHOWING THEM WHY, WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE OVER THE CONTACTS.
THERE WAS A CONTACT WHERE THE CONTACT, BECAUSE IT BOTHERS ME.
I MEAN, YOU GO FROM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD THEM ON THE POOR FARM.
DID THEY TELL HIM THE WHOLE POOR FORM OR JUST AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, BECAUSE THERE'S A DISCREPANCY OF WHAT, 4,300, LIKE YOU SAY, ALL THE WAY ON THE $232, THAT'S GROSSLY UNDERBID FOR THE WHOLE THING.
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THEY COULDN'T EVEN REALLY BOTHER TO FUEL RIGHT NOW.I'M NOT GOING TO JAIL, ESPECIALLY IF I'M IN SAY FROM COMP ONE.
SO IT'S KINDA, AND THEN I GUESS THE TWO, SO YOU HAVE A $55 SEAT, KEEP HIM OFF THE MOWER.
I GUESS IT'S THE, IT'S ONE OF THE TWO LOW BEDS.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC PROCESS IN $55.
THE TOTAL IS DOWN AT THE BAR BOTTOM.
IT DOES ELIMINATE THAT PART WHERE IT SAYS KAUFMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ASKING TO PUT DOWN MOLD TO, WE'RE ASKING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.
SO I EXCLUDED THAT FROM THE TOTAL PRICE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE BASED ON OUR PREFERENCE AND THAT'LL JUST BE SPECIAL PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THEIR TOTAL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING IN THAT LINE.
SO I DID EXCLUDE THAT, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY LET US KNOW APPROXIMATELY IN THE BID, IT SAID MULCH, UM, SOME FLOWERBED WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY REPLACEMENT OF PLANTS, ET CETERA.
SO IT WAS AN ESTIMATE FOR ALL OF THE VENDORS.
SO I JUST EXCLUDED THAT AMOUNT IN THE TOTAL.
THEN I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD PLAN THERE.
AND THIS IS, UH, IT'S, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF A WORK IN PROCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYONE ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO SEE QUOTES FROM LAST YEAR AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS OUR FIRST TIME BIDDING AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BETTER NUMBERS LAST YEAR AND THAT IT WOULD BE A SHORT, IT WOULD BE A SHORT CONTRACT.
SO I THOUGHT WE HAD A GOOD GROUP OF VENDORS AND WE'LL STAY IN CONTACT WITH THEM.
SO, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, TWO CONTRACTS SO THAT WE CAN, UM, AT LEAST HAVE THE TWO CONTRACTORS MAINLY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT BUSY.
SO, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, WE AWARD TWO CONTRACTS, ONE TO SRH AND THE OTHER ONE TO UNICARE.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES ITEM 19
[19. Commissioner Cates; Discuss/Consider/Approve resolution recognizing straight boundary line with Henderson County, Texas.]
COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSS, CONSIDER.DISCUSS, CONSIDER, UH, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVE RESOLUTION, RECOGNIZING STRAIGHT AND BOUNDARY LINE WITH HENDERSON COUNTY, TEXAS COMMISSIONER KATE'S.
SO IS A LONG HISTORICAL LONG STANDING ISSUE.
UM, IT IS, UH, SO LONGSTANDING THAT IT GOES BACK A HUNDRED YEARS OR MORE.
UH, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, ADDRESSED OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY ADDRESSED OR ATTEMPTED TO BE, BE ADDRESSED BY AT LEAST TWO OF MY PREDECESSOR COMMISSIONERS AND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, HEALTH ISSUES, UH, DEATHS IN OFFICE, YOU NAME IT THE MATTER ULTIMATELY WOULD NEVER BE RESOLVED AND WOULD SIMPLY FLOAT OFF INTO THE ATMOSPHERE SOMEWHERE.
BUT THE GIST OF THIS, UH, ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS A, A DISPUTE I GUESS, IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE, WHAT IS NOW PRESUMED TO BE THE KAUFMAN COUNTY HENDERSON COUNTY LINE, UH, IN SOUTHERN KAUFMAN COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY FROM THE CEDAR CREEK RESERVOIR, UH, TO THE ELLIS COUNTY LINE.
UM, THIS MATTER WAS, UH, INVOLVED SEVERAL MEETINGS BETWEEN THE JUDGE AND MYSELF, THE HENDERSON COUNTY JUDGE, THE HENDERSON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS, THEIR ATTORNEYS, ULTIMATELY THE MATTER WAS REFERRED TO KEITH BELL, OUR REPRESENTATIVE'S OFFICE.
AND, UH, THEY, UH, HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, JORDAN PALMER, UH, SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, DOING RESEARCH AND BACKGROUND ON THIS MATTER.
AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE RESOLUTION IS THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS GENERAL LAND AND OFFICE, WHICH IS THE, I GUESS, THE REAL ESTATE GURU FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, UH, BASICALLY PROVIDED US INFORMATION THAT SAID THERE REALLY IS NO DISPUTE ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY LINE IS.
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THE COUNTY LINE.THAT'S ON FILE WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE.
AND IF I CAN JUST SUMMARIZE, ESSENTIALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, ALL COUNTY LINES ARE STRAIGHT NORTH AND SOUTH OR STRAIGHT EASTERN WEST, UNLESS THEY FOLLOW A NATURAL WATERCOURSE SUCH AS THE TRINITY RIVER, UH, ON OUR BOUNDARY WITH ELLIS COUNTY.
BUT, UM, THE, THE CURRENT, UH, AT THAT STATION IS THAT, UM, IT SPRINGS FROM A DEED RESTRICTION THAT WAS GIVEN, UH, JUST PRIOR TO THE TURN OF THE CENTURY BACK IN THE LATE 1890S, ABOUT 1898, IF MEMORY SERVES ME WHERE A, A LANDOWNER IN THAT PORTION OF THE COUNTY, UM, UM, AGREED TO DONATE LAND FOR A COUNTY ROAD, BUT HIS AGREEMENT WAS PREDICATED.
IT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH HENDERSON COUNTY AT THE TIME WAS PREDICATED THAT THE COUNTY LINE WOULD BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THE DONOR'S LAND WOULD ALL BE MAINTAINED IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND, UH, IF THAT WERE AGREED UPON, HE WOULD PUT IT IN HIS DEED RESTRICTIONS AND DONATE THE LAND FOR THE ROAD, UH, HENDERSON COUNTY ADOPTED THAT.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK TODAY ON IT, KAUFMAN COUNTY MAP OUR, UH, UH, OUR ROAD MAP, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A NOTCH, UH, DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, VERY CLOSE TO CEDAR CREEK RESERVOIR.
SO THERE WAS A NOTCH THAT DROPS DOWN, UH, DROPS DOWN SOUTH THEN TRAVELS, UH, FOR A WAYS EAST AND WEST, AND THEN GOES BACK UP, UH, TO THE NORTH AND CREATES A SLIGHT NOTCH.
AND THE ONLY HISTORICAL EVIDENCE ABOUT THAT IS, IS IN A HANDWRITTEN DEED RESTRICTION THAT HENDERSON COUNTY COUNTY ADOPTED.
AND THEN REALLY JUST THROUGH, I THINK GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT GOT IMPLEMENTED, UH, AND HAS BEEN, UM, ESSENTIALLY OBSERVED THAT WAY SINCE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY LAST YEAR OR IN THE 19TH CENTURY.
SO, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO TRULY BE LEGAL, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, NO COMMISSIONER IS EMPOWERED TO SPEND, UH, PRECINCT OR COUNTY MONEY FOR ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.
UH, SO WE HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING ABOUT FIVE MILES OF ROAD, UH, UH, RIGHT AROUND FIVE MILES OF RURAL COUNTY ROAD.
THAT IS IN REALITY, ACCORDING TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE.
AND ACCORDING TO, UH, OUR EVALUATION DONE HERE, UH, EXTENSIVELY WITH OUR CIVIL ATTORNEYS AND MYSELF, UH, WE HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING, UH, COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE IN FACT IN PROPERLY LOCATED IN HENDERSON COUNTY.
UH, IN ESSENCE, UH, THE COUNTY, THE LINE IS CORRECTLY POSITIONED ABOUT 1200 FEET NORTH OF WHAT IS NOW RECOGNIZED, UH, AS KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SO THE IMPACT OF THIS, UH, WOULD REALLY BE RELATIVE MINIMAL.
UM, IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE, UM, ANY MAILING ADDRESS THAT WON'T CHANGE IT.
DOESN'T, IT'S NOT IMPACTING, UH, IN ANY WAY SCHOOL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
UM, IN FACT, THOSE RESIDENTS THAT NOW BELIEVE THEMSELVES TO BE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, BUT WILL WIND UP IN HENDERSON COUNTY.
THEIR TAX BILL WILL GO DOWN, UH, HENDERSON COUNTY'S TAX ROLL WILL GO AWAY.
AND, UM, AND THIS IS JUST A MATTER THAT HAS NEEDED TO BE RESOLVED FOR DECADES.
UM, SO BEFORE I DIE IN OFFICE, I WAS TRYING TO GET THIS FINALLY DONE.
AND, UH, AFTER DUE CONSIDERATION AND KAREN JUMP IN, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO ADD SOMETHING HERE OR CORRECT ME, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE RIGHT COURSE OF ACTION IS FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO, TO, UH, ADOPT AN ISSUE.
THIS RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING THE COUNTY LINE AS DESCRIBED BY THE JOURNAL LAND OFFICE.
AND THEN, UH, OUR CIVIL ADA'S WILL WORK WITH BOTH KAUFMAN COUNTIES, APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AND HENDERSON COUNTIES, APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, AND THEY, AND BY THE WAY, THEY ARE, THOSE OFFICES HAVE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF IT, OF THE ISSUE.
UM, AND WE WILL FINALLY ESTABLISHED THE CORRECT COUNTY LINE THAT, UH, DELINEATES KAUFMAN AND HENDERSON COUNTY.
UH, I SENT YOU A BUNCH OF HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ALL HAND WRITTEN MEETS AND BOUNDS THAT, UH, THAT CAME FROM KEITH BELL'S OFFICE, UH, THROUGH THE GENERAL OR THROUGH KEITH BELL'S OFFICE FROM THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE.
AND THOSE ESTABLISHED THIS, UH, THIS STRAIGHT
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COUNTY LINE, UH, THAT THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE RECOGNIZES.SO REALLY THEIR RESPONSE TO, UH, TO OUR INQUIRIES WAS THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.
THIS COUNTY LINE IS WHAT IT IS, AND HERE IT IS, IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE.
AND, UH, THAT BEING THE CASE IN ORDER TO BE COMPLETELY LAWFUL, THEN WE NEED TO START RECOGNIZING THE CORRECT COUNTY LINE AND PRECINCT FOUR WE'LL WE'LL, UH, UH, CEASE TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS THAT ARE CORRECTLY POSITIONED IN HENDERSON COUNTY.
DID YOU, DID YOU KICK VOTERS DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU OUT OF THE COUNTY? NO, I DIDN'T GO DOWN THERE AND ASK THEM, I DIDN'T ASK HIM.
I THINK THEY LOVE ME DOWN THERE.
THEY MAY NOT AFTER THIS, BUT OKAY.
AND WERE THE RESOLUTION WOULD MAKE THIS REGULAR RECOGNITION EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2021.
SO THAT WILL GIVE A LITTLE TIME TO GET INFORMATION TO BOTH SIDES AND DO ALL OF IT AND WORK ON THAT END, RIGHT.
THAT JUST GIVES, UH, THE TIME FOR ADMINISTRATIVE NOTIFICATION AND PROCESSING AND, AND, UH, WE EVEN DID RESEARCH THAT THAT DEMONSTRATED W FOR INSTANCE, WE, WE, UH, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DEEDS MIGHT BE IMPACTED.
AND WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IS THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THOSE COUNTY LINE OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALWAYS IN PROXIMITY, ALL THOSE DS ARE REGISTERED IN BOTH COUNTIES.
SO NONE OF THAT WILL BE IMPACTED.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S REALLY JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE TO FINALLY ONCE AND FOR ALL RECOGNIZE THE PROPER COUNTY LINE.
SO, UH, JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, THAT WE ADOPT AN ISSUE, THIS RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING THE STRAIGHT HISTORICAL GLO COUNTY LINE BETWEEN KAUFFMAN AND HENDERSON.
WE HAVE THAT MOTION CLEARLY STATED COMMISSIONER CAGE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, BACK TO
[20. Commissioner Cates; Discuss/Consider/Approve interlocal agreement between Kaufman County, Texas; City of Crandall, Texas; and Reinvestment Zone Number One, City of Crandall.]
YOU.COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF CRANDALL AND RE-INVESTMENT ZONE ONE CITY OF GREENVILLE.
SO THIS IS, IS, UH, A MOTION TO, UH, TO, UH, JOIN WITH THE CITY OF CRANDALL AND, UH, RECOGNIZING AND CREATING, UH, UH, TERS, UH, REINVESTMENT ZONE.
THE DOCUMENTS WERE SENT FORWARD.
IT, UH, IT'S A STANDARD TERMS AGREEMENT THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY EXECUTES WITH OUR OTHER CITIES.
UH, IT PROVIDES FOR TWO PLACES ON THE TERMS BOARD FOR THE COUNTY.
I WAS AT THE CRANDALL CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND, UH, THEIR CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AND ADOPTED IT.
AND, UH, I RECOMMEND THAT WE JOIN THIS TERMS WITH THE CITY OF CRANDALL.
SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS, UH, HERS, UH, NUMBER ONE FOR THE CITY OF CRANDALL AND, AND KAUFMAN COUNTY WOULD BE JUST BE ADOPTING THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, THE GLOBAL AGREEMENT, CORRECT.
UH, WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER CAGE TO ADOPT THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED ON ITEM 20.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES OUT
[21. Commissioner Cates; Discuss/Consider/Approve Kaufman County Resolution for appointment of board members for City of Crandall, Texas Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 1.]
OF 21 COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVED COFFIN COUNTY RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENT OF BOARD MEMBERS FOR CITY OF CRANDALL, TEXAS, UH, TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE, NUMBER ONE, COMMISSIONER.SO WE NOW HAVING ADOPTED THAT TERM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT AND MYSELF BE APPOINTED AS THE COUNTY'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE TERMS BOARD FOR CRANDALL, UH, TERMS NUMBER ONE, UH, PURSUANT TO THAT INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
UM, SO COMMISSIONED KATE'S MOVES.
DID HE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT BE APPOINTED TO THE TERM BOARD IN CRANDALL? NO, YOU'VE BEEN VOLUN-TOLD I GUESS COMMISSIONER, WELL, YOU WANT A SECOND THAT MOTION, BUT CRANDALL'S CRANDALL'S PART OF CROWN WAS IN MY WAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING, SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO, UH, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM 22.
[22. Commissioner Barber; Discuss/Consider re-appointing Mr. Chuck Carpenter as a Board Member for ESD #3 for a two-year term.]
I'LL CARRY THIS FOR COMMISSIONER BARBARA.THIS DISCUSSED CONSIDER REAPPOINTING, UH, CHUCK CARPENTER AS A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE ESD OR EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE FOR TWO YEAR TERM.
UH, I COULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UH, CHUCK CHUCK IS A REALLY SMART FINANCIAL GUY AND HELPS HIM A LOT.
AND HE, HE, HE, UH, HE'S A GREAT ADDITION TO ESD THREE.
SO I WOULD MAKE MOTION TO REAPPOINT CHUCK CARPENTER AS A BOARD MEMBER FOR ESD THREE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE, NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES AND SINCE DEBRA BONNER
[23. Deborah Bonner; Discuss/consider approving Order to Establish and Organize Kaufman County Assistance District #3 and taking all necessary action to appoint initial directors.]
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IS NOT WITH US, I BET YOU, KAREN IS GOING TO CARRY THE DISCUS CONSIDER APPROVAL ORDER TO ESTABLISH AN ORGANIZED KAUFMAN COUNTY ASSISTANT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, AND TAKING ALL NECESSARY ACTION TO APPOINT INITIAL DIRECTORS.UM, JUDGING COMMISSIONERS IN THE LAST ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 3RD, UM, COFFIN COUNTY, A SPECIFIC DISTRICT, NUMBER THREE WAS VOTED IN SOMEWHERE ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WORKED TO APPROVE THE ESTABLISHING AND ORGANIZING COFFIN COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE.
AND, AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THAT WILL BE IN THE COTTONWOOD DISTRICT.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WHAT THIS ORDER ALSO DOES IS IT SETS FORTH THE COMMISSIONERS AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEN DIRECTLY FOLLOWING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THERE WILL BE A BRIEF BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING FOR COFFIN ASSESSMENTS, DISTRICT THREE, THAT DIRECTOR'S MEETING.
WE WILL, UM, ASK THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF DISPOSING, UM, IMPOSING MY SALES AND USE TAXES.
BUT FOR THIS ITEM NUMBER WERE ASKING THAT YOU ALL APPROVE THE ORDER ESTABLISHING AND ORGANIZING THE COFFIN COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE.
AND IT'S IN THE COTTONWOOD AREA.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE? UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS GOT US ALL IN THIS, GOT US STARTED ON THIS PATH AND IT'S, UH, IT'S GOOD.
AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN SEE THIS ELSEWHERE, 17 WITH IT.
SO, UH, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER TO ESTABLISH AN ORGANIZED KAUFMAN COUNTY ASSISTANT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, AND TAKING ACTION TO APPOINT THE INITIAL DIRECTORS, WHICH WOULD BE THE, THE ALL MEMBERS OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT WERE SERVE AS DIRECTORS ON THAT BOARD.
IS THAT SUCH A, IS THERE SUCH A MOTION? SO MOVED, WE HAD THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CASE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
NO MOTION CARRIES, UH, MS. KAREN, IF YOU'RE STILL AWAKE DOWN THERE, UH, THIS IS
[24. Discuss/Consider line item transfers.]
DISCUSSED CONSIDER LINE ON OUR TRANSFERS.THEY WERE QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CLEANUP? WE DID SOME CLEANUP AND THEN I'M ESTABLISHING YOUR CARRY OVER BALANCES TO CORRECT YOUR BUDGETS.
NOW WHAT WE DID EARLIER WITH TRAVIS RANTS DEBIT CENTER, DOES THAT IMPACT WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR WITH THE LINE ITEMS THAT WAS THOSE THAT WERE SENT TO YOU? YES, SIR.
THEY, SO IS THAT NEEDED TO ESTABLISH THE NEW BUDGETS? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTABLES, THE CONTRACT BUDGET.
SO WE APPROVE THAT WITH YOU CAN ELIMINATE THOSE AND WE MIGHT LOSE CONTRACT THOSE BUDGET, UH, ADJUSTMENTS RELATED TO CONSTABLE PRECINCT PRECINCT TO PENDING OUR WORKSHOP.
SO THAT REALLY SOUNDED LIKE A MOTION.
WE HAD A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE LINE ON A CHANGE FROM COMMISSIONER ACCEPTING OR ELIMINATING THE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS HAVING TO DO WITH THE CONSTABLE PRECINCT TO OFFICE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM 25,
[25. Discuss/Consider claims for payment.]
DISCUSS CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.UH, YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE $190,902 AND 78 CENTS A PAYROLL OF 1,000,340 3,346 70 MAKING A TOTAL OF 1,000,534, 249048 CENTS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AS PRESENTED MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES
[26. Adjourn Regular Meeting]
ITEM 26.I'LL MAKE A MOTION DURING THIS.
MAYBE MR. PHILLIPS MOVES TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONED CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.
ALRIGHT, BUT BEFORE YOU GO HOME, WHAT'S THAT DIRECTOR MEETING.
TELL ME, CUT OFF MY MICROPHONE.
OH, THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN LIGHT.
UM, IS, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY.
I MIGHT HAVE BUMPED IT OFF ANYWAY.
[Board of Directors Kaufman County Assistance District No. 3]
THIS MEETING OF THE COFFIN COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE IS CALLED TO ORDER.IT IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2020.
IT IS ACTUALLY 10 55 AND WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM.
[01:55:01]
DISCUSS CONSIDER ORDER ESTABLISHING SALES AND USE TAXES.UH, KAREN, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? UM, YES.
SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE COFFIN COUNTY ASSISTED ASSISTANCE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE OR ANY KAUFMAN COUNTY ASSISTANCE DISTRICTS IS TO IMPOSE A SALES AND USE TAX.
SO THAT PART OF THE TAXES THAT ARE PAID ANYWAY ARE RETURNED TO THAT DISTRICT TO BE USED IN THE DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO DO IS TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT ORDER, IMPOSING THE SALES AND USE TAXES SO THAT WE CAN SEND THIS TO THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND WITHIN THE CORRECT TIMEFRAME START, UM, COLLECTING THAT TAX FOR THE DISTRICT QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ORDER ESTABLISHING SALES AND USE TAXES WHO MOVED? WE HAD THAT MOTION OR COMMISSIONER IN CASE, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES ITEM TWO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION DURING THIS MEETING.
COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MOVES TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FOR MR. AND CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.