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THE SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING CALL FROM COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER IT'S TUESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2020 9:00 AM.WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE ANNEX.
AND SO WE'LL WAIT JUST FOR A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL GET STARTED.
OKAY, WE'LL GET THAT ON THE NEXT COHORT.
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THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL FOR DISCUSSION.ONLY ALL THESE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, I GUESS WE'LL INVITE THE CONSTABLE JOHNSON IF HE WANTS TO COME UP HERE AND, UH, TAKE THESE ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX
UM, FIRST LET ME SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE WORKED ON UP TO THIS POINT, UM, HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS THROUGH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THROUGH RANDY THROUGH THE DA'S OFFICE.
AND ACTUALLY WE HAD MS. RAY LYNN WITH US NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS STREAMLINE THIS BEYOND BELIEF, WHERE THERE WAS NO HICCUPS, NO SPEED BUMPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, THE ITEMS ONES WITH THE, WHAT WE CALLED THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAY AT THE TIME THAT WE SUBMITTED IT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL DIFFERENCE THAT WAS OUT.
WE GOT AN IDEA, WE WERE TOLD OF A NUMBER.
AND SO WE WENT WITH THAT NUMBER.
THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED TO MATCH THE CORRECT MIRRORED SUPPLEMENTAL AS LIKE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SUPERSEDE ANYBODY OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON ITEMS, NUMBER ONE FOR THE CANINE HANDLER, WE HAD SUBMITTED THAT IT WAS BASICALLY A $2,500 PER YEAR SUPPLEMENTAL INCREASE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS SEVEN.
WE WERE $7 OFF FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
SO THAT IS NOT THE CORRECT NUMBER THAT WE WANTED TO GO WITH.
UM, WE DID GET THE CORRECT NUMBER ON THE INCREASE FOR THE CANINE HANDLER.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, DEPUTY SALARY PAY THE DEPUTY IS JUST OUT PATROLLING AND DOING CIVIL PAPERS AND DOING WARRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO A CANINE HANDLER AND CANINE HANDLER HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND WITH THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES COMES THE INCREASE ON WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAID.
WHEN WE WERE TOLD THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER THAT WAS GIVEN TO US WAS OFF.
AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
WE WERE TRYING TO BE EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MIRRORED, AS I SAID, LIKE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GET THE CANINE HANDLER FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY GETS A $2,500 SUPPLEMENT.
WE, WE GOT THE EXACT NUMBER FROM, UH, CHIEF EVANS LAST COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT WAS WROTE DOWN WHERE'S THOSE NUMBERS UP? DID WE HAVE THAT?
WHAT'S THE SHERIFF, YOU SAID? SO, UH, A DEPUTY, A NON K9 DEPUTY GETS HOW MUCH? 47, 47.
AND THEN THE CANINE HANDLERS ARE 49 ZERO ZERO ONE.
SO IT'S SO A CANINE HANDLER GETS ON, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I'M NOT IT'S $2,000 MORE.
CONSTABLE IS THIS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR SPECIFICALLY.
NOW I WANT TO JUST ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CANINE.
SO IS THE CANINE FUNCTION SPECIFICALLY DELINEATED IN YOUR CONTRACT? IS IT, THIS IS A CANINE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE PATROL CONTRACTS AND NOT, NOT YOUR ELECTED CONSTABLE FUNCTION.
AND IS IT, IS IT DELINEATED IN THE CONTRACT THAT IT'S, IT'S A CANINE OFFICER.
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YES, SIR.IT'S BROKE UP THE ROLE OF THE CONTRACTS SO THAT CANINE IS ABLE TO TRAVEL WITHIN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
WHICH DISTRICT PAYS AND THE DOG AND THE EXPENSES FOR THE DOG ITSELF.
IS THAT ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT? YES, SIR.
BE IN THE CONTRACT, BUT YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR REGULAR BUDGET IN FIVE 52.
THAT WAS MY DOG ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DOG, THE DOG HERE, IT'S ALL CLEAR.
THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DOG THAT COMES OUT OF THE CONSTABLE BUDGET, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE COMES OUT OF THE CONTRACT SIDE OF IT.
SO ORDERING OF THE FOOD, THE DOG FOOD, WHICH WE DO THROUGH HR, THROUGH MS. RAY, LYNN, ALL THAT WE'VE GOT THROUGH TRACTOR SUPPLY.
SO WE GET THE DOG FOOD, WE GET THE CLEANING SUPPLIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE WHAT ABOUT DRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RECURRENT TRAINING, ANYTHING, THE CURRENT TRAINING COMES THROUGH THE CONTRACTS.
NOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE MONEY FOR, BECAUSE WE DO PAY SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THE CONSTABLE SIDE OF IT.
IF THERE'S A TRAINING THAT'S COMING UP, THEN I MAY TRY TO SPLIT THE TRAINING COST WITH THAT OUT OF MY TRAINING BUDGET, WHETHER IT BE MY TEA, COLD TRAINING BUDGET, OR MY TRAINING BUDGET THROUGH THE OFFICE ITSELF.
SO THE COUNTY DOES BEAR SOME DEGREE OF, OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE K9 PROGRAM, $3,000.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
THE COUNTY HELPED PAY FOR THE DOG.
EVERYBODY PITCHED IN FOR THE DOG.
AND THE DOG DOES THE DOG IN THAT DEPUTY, WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DOG, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEPUTY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOG AND THE DEPUTY THERE, CORRECT? YES.
YOU WANTED TO GET HER TO THE DOG AND THE DEPUTY DO REGULAR CONSTABLE DUTIES, OTHER THAN CONTRACT STUFF THEY CAN.
CAUSE I MEAN, I WONDER IF, I MEAN, IF I WAS PAYING THE CONTRACT, I WOULD WANT THEM WORKING FOR ME ALL THE TIME, BUT I MEAN, MAJORITY THEY'RE PATROLLING IN THE DISTRICTS THEMSELVES.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 98% OF THE TIME.
THE ONLY OTHER 2% THAT THEY MAY NEED TO BE OUT IS IF ANOTHER DISTRICT OR ANOTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLS THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING A CANINE UNIT, THERE'S A SHEET I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
IT SHOWS THE KSL SCHEDULE, PAY SCALE.
THEN THE CONSTABLE'S PAY SCALE.
AND AT THE BOTTOM IT SHOWS, UH, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE AND WHAT THE SUPPLEMENT HE WANTS IT TO BE AND WHAT THE TOTAL WOULD BE.
YOU SEE IT? DID YOU FIND IT, JUDGE? YES.
THE ONE, ONE CONSTABLE DEPUTY CONSTABLES SUPPLEMENTS.
SHE'S NOT THE SECRETARY IN THE CONTRACT.
IT'S BEEN PRE SALES AND CONTRACTS, EXCEPT IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THE BUDGET JUST TO COVER THAT SERGEANT
YEAH, THIS IS CONSTABLE JERRY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT? WHAT THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS RIGHT THERE.
HE HAS A DIFFERENCE IN THIS JUDGE.
WE'VE GOT THIS FORM NOW IS ACTUALLY 1907.
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SIR.WHAT'S THE TOTAL, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
ALL THESE CONTRACTS WITH ROUND NUMBERS.
THEN WE PRAYED ALL IN ONE BIG ROOM.
USED TO BE ABOUT 600 OR SOMETHING.
IT'S NOT ALL THE CONSTABLE CLERKS.
ALL FOUR CLERKS MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT.
THEY'RE LIKE REGULAR CLERK AND DEPUTY CLERK.
THEN THEY BROUGHT IT TO COURT TO PINEY HER RIGHT OUT OF THE CONTRACTS IN YOUR PARADE.
THE 8,008,000 WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN THE REGULAR BIBLE WE ADOPTED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT FIXED.
AND IT WAS INCLUDED JURY HAD IT FIXED THAT ALL FOUR CONTRACTS THAT SHE WORKED ON PAID 2000, ONCE THAT POSITION, NOW THAT WE HAVE ONE, ONE CLERK IN THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE MAKING A DIFFERENT AMOUNT THAN THE OTHER.
BUT IT'S UNDERSTOOD IF THERE'S CONTRACTS GO AWAY, HER PAIN GOES AWAY BY EIGHT GRAND, EIGHT GRAND ALREADY UP THE CONTRACT.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
SHE ALSO DOES A LOT OF EXTRA DUTIES WITH THOSE CONTRACTS, JUDGE.
YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THE SITUATION THAT I SEE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND I'M RELATIVELY NEWBIE, I GUESS, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY THAT IF MY TITLE IS CLERK IN THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE OR MY TITLE IS DEPUTY, UM, THAT I MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GUARDED ABOUT BECAUSE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, THE CLERK AND, AND I'M JUST PICKING, I WON'T EVEN USE A NUMBER.
MAYBE THE CLERK IN PRECINCT SEVEN SAYS THAT I DO A WHOLE LOT MORE WORK THAN THE CLERK AND PRECINCT EIGHT.
AND SO I SHOULD GET MORE MONEY.
SO, UH, THE STATUS QUO IN THE COUNTY IS EVERYBODY MAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHETHER THAT'S RIGHT OR MAKES ANY CENTRAL NOT, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S JUST THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN HERE.
IS IT EVERY, THERE ARE, I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE AND HAVE MORE WORK TO DO THAN OTHERS JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE WORKING.
I MEAN, BUT HER TITLE IS NOT CLERK OR TITLE IS CHIEF CLERK.
AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE, IS HER STYLE.
SHE, SHE HAD SEX IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S HER TITLE, BUT SHE DIDN'T CLARK IS THAT'S OUR TITLE AT THE OFFICE.
WHAT'S HER TITLE IN THE BUDGET, IN THE APPROVED BUDGET DOCUMENT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING UNDER THE CONSTABLE BUDGET COMMISSIONER, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST CLERK CLERK.
LET ME JUST THROW, I GUESS A CONCERN, BUT ALSO MAYBE JUST A SUGGESTION OUT.
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I THINK JUST HERE TODAY, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING ON HERE.I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LINE ITEMS TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER AND, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE TOTAL VALUE OF THESE CONTRACTS, WHICH ARE COUNTY CONTRACTS ARE, ARE APPROACHING THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT RANGE, MAYBE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT, BUT PRETTY, A PRETTY HEFTY AMOUNT OF CONTRACT.
AND, UH, AND AGAIN, DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE OFFENDED CONSTABLE, UH, I THINK, UH, THAT'S A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY, PARTICULARLY IN A SMALL OFFICE.
AND, UM, I NOTE THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTING OFFICER, RIGHT? DON'T DON'T WE HAVE A, A, A, UH, CONSTITUTIONALLY BASED CONTRACTING OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY.
THE PURCHASING AGENT IS IN THE STATUTE FOR PURCHASING AGENT IS IDENTIFIED.
AND THERE'S OUR PURCHASING AGENT SITTING OUT THERE.
SHE'S THE, YOU ARE THE CONTRACT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONTRACT OFFICER OR CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR, WHAT DOES IT SAY? SO THE PURCHASING AGENT FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY IS IN THE DEFINITION OF HER DUTIES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS HEADED.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY NEWS TO RAELYNN.
THAT'S CERTAINLY OBVIOUSLY NEWS, DO YOU CONSTABLE, BUT IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT, UH, W WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE CONTRACTS AND HERE TODAY, WE JUST REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST INNUMERABLE LINE ITEMS RELATED TO SALARY, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, THERE'S ALSO A MULTITUDE OF EXPENSES AND ACCOUNTING AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT GO ON, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, UH, REPRESENTED BY THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR CLERK, BUT TO THE TUNE OF $8,000.
SO MY, UH, MY CONCERN OR MY, MY, UH, SUGGESTION IS THAT, UH, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE THAT ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS, UH, WHILE PERFORMANCE WITH THE CONTRACT IS CLEARLY VESTED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ASSIGNED ESSENTIALLY ASSIGNED TO THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE THAT ALL OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES, WHETHER THEY'RE, UH, THE MASSAGING OF PAY OR, UH, PURCHASING OF EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THAT BE VESTED WITH THE CONTRACTING OFFICER, SO THAT, SO THAT THERE REALLY IS A, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE REALLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PURCHASING AGENT IN THE CONTRACTING OFFICERS ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO NOW, LIKE, BUT WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THE, THIS IS REALLY THE SAME STRUCTURALLY THE SAME SITUATION AS WE HAVE WITH THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.
YOU COMPLETELY, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. RAY LYNN AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HER AND SHE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT SHE NEEDS TO BE, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE THING IS KIND OF A NUANCE AND THIS IS AN AUDITOR NUANCE, BUT, AND I'M NOT AN AUDITOR, BUT MAYBE KAREN WILL AGREE WITH ME FOR ONCE.
IT'S GOOD TO SEPARATE, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION OF A CONTRACT FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A CONTRACT, BECAUSE FROM AN ACCOUNTING AND A, LIKE AN AUDITING STANDPOINT, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT AUDITOR THAT, SO THAT THE PERSON ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT, IT'S A HAND, IT GIVES YOU SORT OF AN ARM'S LENGTH TRANSACTION.
SO I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM, FROM WHERE THIS STARTED UP TO NOW WITH THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND HOW WE, IF YOU'VE GOT THE NEW LINE ITEM BUDGETS THAT WERE CREATED TO BASICALLY REALLY IDENTIFY A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE PAST HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS FROM OVER HERE ON THE WAY THIS IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THIS, THIS PROCESS, THEY HAVE ENOUGH GOING ON.
SO HAVING MR. RAY LYNN, STEPH, AND, AND, AND THE AUDITOR SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD, AUDITING NOT ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO NO, OR NO, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO EASE A LOT OF THE HEADACHE OVER HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A HEADACHE.
I MEAN, WITH THE WAY THINGS WERE SET UP AT THE BEGINNING COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WELL, IN WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THIS IS KIND OF A TYPICAL THING THAT HAPPENS IS IT STARTED OFF.
I ASSUME IT STARTED OFF WITH ONE CONTRACT AND THEN THE CONSTABLE WAS ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT AND IT GREW AND GREW.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST KIND OF KEEP DOING THE SAME THING YOU WERE DOING.
AND SO THAT'S STILL A GOOD TIME.
THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS SET UP.
JUDGE WAS, WELL, HERE'S THE ORIGINAL, WE'RE GOING TO GO OFF OF THAT AND JUST BUILD ON IT.
AND WELL, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITY NOW.
CAN I INSERT SOMETHING? THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FROM GET, GO, OKAY, THIS IS COMING FROM AN AUDITOR OUTPUT.
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I JUST BROUGHT UP BEFORE WE STARTED THIS MEETING ON THE AGENDA ITEM, YOU PUT 2,400 PLUS THE 25 29 TO COVER THE EXPENSE, THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND STUFF.NOW ON THIS AGENDA, IT'S 2,500.
THAT PUTS A RED FLAG TO YOUR AUDITOR BECAUSE YOU DON'T EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
YOU DON'T COME BACK AND THEN YOU'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND DO SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
SO THAT MAKES ME QUESTION WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WELL, MA'AM, I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW UP ANY RED FLAGS AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS NOT PUT ON THERE, UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE SUBMITTED TO BE REQUESTED WAS NOT THAT.
AND HOW DID IT GET ON THERE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WELL, I DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE SAT DOWN AND DID THE BUDGET AND WHAT THE BUDGETS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE BASED OFF OF, IS IT $2,400 SUPPLEMENTAL PAY? WHAT YOU ALL PRESENTED THIS LAST TIME WAS 2,500.
SO THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE THERE.
SO THE TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED DOES NOT LINE UP WITH THE BUDGET.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WE DIDN'T RESUBMIT IT.
WE GOT THE MIRROR TO ITEMS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MIRROR, WE DON'T WANT TO OUT PAY.
SO AS FAR AS WE DIDN'T PUT THIS BACK ON THE WORKSHOP, BECAUSE FOR THAT REASON, FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE WE WERE ONE TO MAKE SURE ABSOLUTELY WE WERE MIRRORING, MIRRORING WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAD PUT ON.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE OTHER ONE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON OUR PART, ON AN ASSUMPTION, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING THAT INFORMATION.
SO WE WERE JUST GIVEN A NUMBER.
SO 2,400 THAT WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THERE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL START-UP REQUESTS WHERE THE 2,500 CAME FROM DIDN'T COME FROM US.
SO AARON ROSS IS YOUR PAY NINE UNIT GUY.
I'M GOING TO DO THIS ONE MORE TIME, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SAY IN FRONT OF THESE GENTLEMEN, SO WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO ADJUST THIS BUDGET OR I'M GOING TO STOP AMBERS PETTY.
CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO COVER IT TILL WE GET IT.
SO AARON ROSS IS YOUR CANINE MAN CARDING TO THE SCHEDULE WITH THE SHERIFF.
THE CANINE IS, UH, IS A 49 OH OH ONE 1907 DIFFERENCE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT HIM AT THE 49,100.
THEN JACOB FOREMAN, SHERIFF AND BELL REAL ARE GOING TO BE HORRIBLE, WHICH IS BASICALLY AT THE FTO STAGE, WHICH IS A 2393 DIFFERENT.
IT'S 49, FOUR 87, WHICH IS THE $7 DIFFERENCE THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING THERE.
SO THAT WAY I CAN FIX THESE LINE ITEMS, RIGHT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL THIS, RIGHT.
I KNOW YOU'RE ON, HE GOT A, HIT A STEAM GOING HERE.
UH, KAREN, BUT I DON'T SEE THE 49.
THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS A MATCH UP TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
LOOK AT K9 DEPUTY AT THE TOP IT'S $49,001.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE 49, FOUR 94 SHOWN ON THESE PAPERS? F T O G THAT'S AN FTO IS A CORPORAL IN THE SHARE ON THE SHERIFFS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FTOS, ARE THOSE DELINEATED AND PROVIDED FOR IN THE CONTRACT FOR THOSE THINGS? YES, SIR.
THEY ARE, THAT COMES UNDER THE TRAINING.
THE FTL WAS A TRAINING OFFICER.
SO ANY NEW HIRES THEY HAVE TO BE TRAINED.
MY QUESTION IS, SO IS THE WORD FTO FIELD TRAINING OFFICER IN YOUR CONTRACT? WELL, IT WOULD BE UNDER A DEPUTY'S POSITION.
SO ANYTHING HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE DEPUTY AND HIS RESPONSIBILITIES, JUDGE I'M.
AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M INTERRUPTING THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT I STILL, I STILL SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER HAVING THE, ENGAGING THE CONTRACTING OFFICER TO, TO SORT OUT THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT.
UH, BUT, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO MAKE A PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT 700,000 CONSTABLE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY CONTRACT DEPUTIES WORK IN YOUR OFFICE? SEVEN, SEVEN, SO SEVEN EMPLOYEES AND THEIR PAY IS, IT IS IN QUESTION, UH, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IN FLUX.
AND, UH, I JUST REALLY BELIEVE WE'RE THROWING THESE NUMBERS AROUND.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S WAGES AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE, AND AGAIN, NO OFFENSE INTENDED, BUT THE PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
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TAKE OVER THESE CONTRACTS.AND I THINK WE SAW SOME OF THAT, UH, SOME OF THE JUSTIFICATION LAST TIME, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, JASON IS, YOU KNOW, I'M A COP, YOU KNOW, BY TRADE AS WELL.
AND, UH, UH, THERE'S UH, SOMETIMES WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
THERE'S THERE'S, YOU CAN, THE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES CAN GET, UH, CAN KIND OF GET LOST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CHANGE EVEN $1 IN AN AMOUNT, THEN THE CONTRACT HAS CHANGED.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY, IF YOU CHANGED $1, THEN THE CONTRACT WOULD HAVE TO BE REAPPROVED BECAUSE IT'S A NEW CONTRACT.
IT'S DIFFERENT, EVEN IF YOU CHANGE A DOLLAR HERE, BUT YOU SEE, YOU COLLECT THAT DOLLAR BACK OVER HERE IN ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER YOU'VE CHANGED THE CONTRACT.
SO, UH, I THINK THOSE ARE SOMETIMES SUBTLETIES THAT, THAT, UH, WE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO US, IT'S EVEN STEVEN, BUT IT'S STILL A CONTRACT CHANGE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, UH, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THIS, BUT THAT, THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS BE ASSIGNED, UH, TO THE CONTRACTING OFFICER FOR OVERSIGHT, SO THAT EVERY, ANY KIND OF CHANGE, ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER PARTIES, THAT THE CONTRACTING OFFICER WOULD BE A PARTY TO THOSE AND THAT, UH, IN THE END, THE CONTRACTING OFFICER WOULD BE THE PRESENTER TO THE COMMISSIONER SCORE.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE REQUIRES ACTION FROM THE COURT BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY HER STATUTORY DUTY.
DO YOU HAVE A CAR? I THINK THAT JUST TAKES A LOT OF BURDEN OFF YOU CONSTABLE.
I WAS TALKING TO GUYS EARLIER, WHAT I HANDED YOU, AND THIS IS WHEN NO ARMS EXAMPLE.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE HAD JUST DISCUSSED.
UM, KIND OF THE IDEA WAS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP ME BUILD THIS TO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE THAT.
SO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS A LITTLE BIT OF FISCAL YEAR HISTORICAL DATA, UM, THE DESCRIPTION OF SERVICES, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, LIKE THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES WE'LL LAY OUT THE ACTUAL TITLES FOR EACH FISCAL YEAR.
WE WILL LIST OUT THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, ANIMALS SALARY, AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL DO THAT FOR EACH.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL ALSO ADD A COLUMN FOR, UM, AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S JUST HIGHLIGHTED.
AND THEN JUST LIKE, LIKE, YOU ARE USED TO YOUR DISCRETIONARY BUDGET REPORTS, IT'LL JUST BE THE ONE PAGE.
AND IT'LL BE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING YOU'LL KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN VERIFIED TO MATCH CASTO SALARY SCHEDULE AND IT WOULD HAVE GOING THROUGH THE AUDITORS KIND OF LIKE, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE A GREAT PLAN TO ME.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS JUST BASICALLY LIKE A ONE PAGER OF EVERY THING THAT'S CHANGED IN THE PODCAST FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COURT IS TO GET THAT, JUST TO GET REGULAR AND TO ASSUME THAT WELL, AND, AND W WELL, AND SHE'S JUST NATURALLY GOING TO DO IT.
AND SO WHEN THEY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, THE NEXT, AT THE END OF WHATEVER YOU PUT IT ON, AND THEN YOU'LL BRING THIS BACK AND THAT'LL BE SELF-EXPLANATORY.
AND, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE THAT THEY USED TO GET BACK ON THE END OF THEM PRETTY QUICK.
CAUSE IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, HALF A DAY.
AND THEN IT NEEDS TO COME UP ON THE AGENDA RATHER QUICKLY, OR WE MEET EVERY WEEK.
SO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, SO Y'ALL GOT TO WORK WITH HER AND ALL THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO COME UP AND THAT SHOULD SATISFY IT BECAUSE YEAH.
LAND'S OBVIOUSLY DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE'S ASKING.
ONE OTHER POINT THAT, THAT JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE, WE'RE THROWING AROUND THIS WORD SUPPLEMENT.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT DOING A SUPPLEMENT, WE'RE DOING A WAGE INCREASE AND ARE CORRECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE SUPPLEMENT BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD, SO IT'S A WORD, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT WORD BECAUSE IT HAS MEANING FOR US.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, AND THIS, UM, I THINK I WOULD ASK YOU ALL, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED IF RAELYNN IS, IS CARRYING THE BALL ON THE CONTRACTS.
BUT WE GOT FOR OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, WE GOT THOSE SIX AGENDA ITEMS THURSDAY, UM, WITH NO PAPERWORK OR NO BACKUP AND STUFF, AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD, THAT'S NOT A GOOD, THAT'S NOT GOOD CHEMISTRY FOR SUCCESS.
I THINK, UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, THAT I AM ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT.
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WE, WE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY MOVE AWAY FROM AD HOC BUDGETING.OH, I MEAN LIKE, WELL, WE, WE FORGOT TO DO THIS.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, WE FORGOT WE WERE GOING TO NEED THIS CAR.
AND SO NOW WE GET TO THE OTHER BUDGET IN NOVEMBER.
I HOPE THAT WE, AS WE GO THROUGH AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS IF, UH, IF, IF, UH, RAVEN NEEDS A NEW DESK IN HER OFFICE, UH, IF HERS IS BROKEN, THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE BUDGET.
SHE DOESN'T NEED TO COME BACK AND, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I'M SAYING IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE BUDGET DISCIPLINE IN THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE SO THINGS, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN BE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, UH, IF ONE OF THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING FOR COMES ALONG AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MARCH.
AND HE SAYS, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO MORE DEPUTIES.
WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER NEEDS TO BE OKAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AT BUDGET TIME, BECAUSE THEY CAN PLAN, THEY KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE GONNA SELL AND HOW MANY PEOPLE.
I MEAN, AT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD GOT WITH MS. RAY LAND ON, IS DOING A PROJECTION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUILD.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE MADE SURE IN THE CONTRACTS AND THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT AND THE AMENDED CONTRACTS IS THAT THE DISTRICTS, AS THEY GROW, THEY CAN ADD 20 HOURS A MONTH WITHOUT IT COMING TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WELL, WE WERE COMING BACK EVERY MONTH AND THAT MONEY WILL SIT THERE.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THERE.
NOW WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT, BUILD A POSITION, THEN APPROVE THE POSITION AND THEN FILL THE POSITION, WHICH WE DID NOT KNOW AT THE BEGINNING, THAT WAS NEVER GIVEN TO US DIRECTLY UNTIL WE JUST FOUND OUT LAST WEEK.
WELL, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE INTERFACING WITH THE DISTRICTS IN YOUR SERVICES.
BUT YOU, YOU HAVE TO, UH, MY REQUEST WOULD BE, YOU'D BE PREPARED TO SAY, UH, WELL, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE NOW.
Y'ALL, SHOULD'VE THOUGHT OF THAT WHEN WE BUDGET AND THE DISTRICTS DO KNOW BECAUSE THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH AND THEY DO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA, THEY NEED TO GIVE IT TO US FIRST.
SO WE CAN SUBMIT IT TO THE DA.
WE CAN GET THE APPROVAL ON IT, SEND IT BACK TO THEM SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY GO, YEAH, WE WANT TO DO THAT.
THEN WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL THE INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING SET UP AND MAKE SURE WE GET THE PERCENTAGE RIGHT.
WELL, BY THAT TIME, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
SO WE'VE MADE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO BE SET AND WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT UP TO A POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE SAFE.
PLANNING AHEAD IS NOT, UH, IS NOT HUMAN NATURE.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE, UH, YOU HAVE TO TEACH THE TRAIN.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WHEN YOU GET THOSE INQUIRIES OR THOSE, UH, EVEN THOSE INDICATIONS THAT THE ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS IS GOING TO MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGE UP OR DOWN, THEN I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU THAT AS PART OF THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR DUTIES, THAT YOU ENGAGE, YOU GET RAELYNN AND ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GROUND FLOOR, LET HER ALSO BE A PARTY TO YOUR DISCUSSIONS W YOU KNOW, WITH THESE, UH, OTHER CONTRACTING PARTIES, UH, AND, AND, UH, THROUGH HER OFFICE, WE WOULD BE, I THINK IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE PROJECTIONS ON DOWN THE ROAD, IF SHE'S IN, ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH, UH, A, YOU KNOW, MA MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHO RAELYNN IS, SO THAT IF THEY NEED TO, THEY CAN CALL THE CONTRACTING OFFICER DIRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, MR. CATE'S LIKE, UH, CONSTABLE JOHNSON, WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER, THEY HAD A GREAT IDEA OF GOING AHEAD AND SETTING UP LIKE THOSE BASE RATES SO THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICTS COME FORWARD AND THEY DO HAVE THEIR PROJECTIONS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THIS MANY HOUSES AND DIDN'T DO THAT.
AND IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO GO INTO AN ADDITIONAL, THIS MANY HOURS, WHICH REQUIRES THIS NUMBER OF DEPUTIES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT RANGE SO THAT THE DISTRICTS HAVE A BUDGET THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THEY'VE GOT GOING UP.
AND SO THAT, I'M, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THE DISTRICT.
THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING AHEAD WITH THE DISTRICTS, WHICH HAS BEEN GOOD.
WE, WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS IT, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU STARTED THESE CONTRACTS, YOU'RE KIND OF BUILDING AN AIRPLANE WHILE YOU WERE FLYING IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT HALF THE AIRPLANE WAS ALREADY BUILT COMMISSIONER.
I THINK JUST THE WAY IT WAS BUILT WAS IT WAS STOLEN IN THERE UNDER THE SITUATION WHERE THEY HAD TO GO WITH WHAT THEY HAD TO GO WITH.
AND WE JUST KIND OF BUILT OFF OF THAT, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TRIED TO CHANGE TO MAKE A STURDIER PLATFORM.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT SHE HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT PLATFORM ON THE LINE ITEMS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS NOT
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IN THERE IN THE PAST.SO I FELT LIKE WE KIND OF REACHED A RESOLUTION HERE.
I THINK THEY, THE PART, I THINK, I THINK IN THE WORK WELL, AND, AND, AND, AND IT IS MORE, IT IS A COUNTY CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE FORGET, IT'S IT IS A COUNTY CONTRACT.
SO, AND, AND, AND THE, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IT'S KIND OF WEIRD SOMETIMES IS THAT IT'S A COUNTY CONTRACT, BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF ONE OF THE DISTRICTS IS PAYING A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, THE GUYS THAT ARE WORKING FOR YOU ARE STILL COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
SO, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT BRINGS IN ALL THE BUDGET RESTRICTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT AN ACTUAL POLICE OFFICER SO THAT WHEN HE'S ON SCENE, THEY COULD ARREST SOMEBODY.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SECURITY OFFICERS.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, IN POLICE OFFICERS, POLICE OFFICERS HAVE ARRESTING AUTHORITY AND ARREST ON THE SCENE AND WRITE TICKETS AND DO ALL THE THINGS AND SECURITY OFFICERS CAN'T, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICTS WON'T, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS, WHATEVER WITH, WITH, WITH A POLICE PRESENCE.
SO PROACTIVE, UM, THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE COUNTY OR CITY OR GOVERNMENT.
SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO WRAP IT UP AND LISTEN TO THAT.
THIS SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MOVED SOME ADJOURN, KATE SECONDS.