Dec 08, 2020 Commissioners Court

SO THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE COUNTY, I GUESS WE HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL OR SOMETHING.

THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT VERY BIG.

IT'S REAL PROBABLY ONLY APPROPRIATE JUDGE FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKING OF SOME EQUIPMENT.

SO, UM, WHICH IS SOMETIMES AN ISSUE.

SO, UH, WE ARE ASSESSING THAT.

BRINGS YOU TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH HAS ONLY ITEM A, WHAT WAS IT? MINUTES, UH, ANYBODY CARE FOR, TO MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES AND IF NOT, WOULD THERE BE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO MOVE.

THAT BRINGS US TO A CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH, OH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE, SORRY.

UH, THAT

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

UH, SO WE WERE ABLE TO, WHEN WE UPDATED THAT, UH, LOWER THAT SUBSTANTIALLY, I'M USING A RIGHT ASSUMPTION OF THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, EVEN THAT IN TODAY'S MARKET IS HIGH AND SO ON.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION FOR APPROVAL CONSENT AGENDA FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS OR SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT

[3. George Williford; Discuss Bond Issuance.]

UP.

UH, GEORGE WILLIFORD IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT BOND ISSUANCE.

THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM ONLY, BUT UH, GOOD MORNING, GEORGE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

UH, MEMBERS OF THE COURT FOR THE RECORD, GEORGE WILLIFORD WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES, UH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY JUST THE LAST, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE, THREE WEEKS TO BE TALKING WITH JUDGE RICHARDS ABOUT PERSPECTIVE ISSUANCE OF MORE OF THE VOTED AUTHORIZATION, UH, EARLY IN 2021.

AND SO WHAT W WHAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER IS SOME INFORMATION KIND OF ILLUSTRATING A TAX IMPACT, UH, OF, OF ISSUANCE AS IT'S PROJECTED, AND THEN ALSO A CALENDAR IF WE'RE, UH, UH, IN A PROCESS OF WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, PRETTY EARLY IN THE YEAR.

UH, IF YOU'LL LOOK ON THE FIRST PAGE, UH, AND, AND DETAILED SCHEDULES FOLLOW, UH, BEHIND, UH, THE CALENDAR, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THIS, BUT AFTER WE ISSUED THE FIRST 60 MILLION, UH, YOU KNOW, 40 OF THAT WAS, UH, UH, FOR THE, UH, UH, AM I HAVE IT REVERSED ROADS OR FACILITIES, AND, UH, UH, 20 WAS ROADS, OR IT MAY HAVE BEEN 20 SOLIZ AND 40 ROADS AT ANY RATE, THE FIRST 60 MILLION.

AND BASED ON WHAT WE WERE ASSUMING VALUES TAXABLE VALUES WOULD BE, AND THEN INTEREST RATES, UH, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, IF THERE WAS A 20, 21 ISSUE, WE WERE USING AN ASSUMED RATE OF FOUR AND THREE QUARTER.

LIKE WE ARE ON SUBSEQUENT ISSUES, AS WELL AS IT STANDS, THAT'S WAY HIGH.

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AND THE VALUE OF THE TAXABLE VALUE FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR EXCEEDS WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING, UH, EARLY, UH, UH, IN THE YEAR, UH, IN 2020.

AND SO WHEN THAT WAS DONE, UH, WE HAD ASSUMED THERE'D BE, UH, A SMALL ISSUE, 2021, AND THEN, UH, 22, 24, 26, 28 BIENNIAL TYPE ISSUANCE ALL THE WAY UP TO 2028.

AND WE PROJECTED THAT THE TAX RATE FOR THIS NEXT YEAR WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, 7.70 CENTS.

AND THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF CREEP UPWARD, AND A MAXIMUM RATE WOULD BE ABOUT 7.85 CENTS THAT WAS PROJECTED.

SO WHAT I'VE DONE, UH, LIKE I SAID, TALKING WITH THE JUDGE, UH, THE, UH, KIND OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IS GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE REMAINING 30 MILLION THAT'S, UH, AUTHORIZED FOR FACILITIES, AND THAT'LL GET THE MONEY IN PLACE TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND ENTER INTO CONTRACTS AND, UH, BE ASSURED THAT ALL FACILITIES CAN MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, UH, AND WHAT WE'VE RUN IS EITHER 10 MILLION OR 20 MILLION IN TOTAL, UH, FOR ROAD PURPOSES.

AND WHAT WAS THE PROJECTED IMPACT OF THAT IF WE ISSUED THAT THIS YEAR, AND THEN THE REMINDER OUT, UH, OVER THE 20 TO 24, UH, AND MAYBE 26 TIMEFRAME BY ACCELERATING PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATES A 20, 28, UH, ISSUANCE.

SO WE JUST WOULD BE ROLLING EVERYTHING FORWARD.

BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ON THE SCHEDULE, ONE IS ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS THE AMOUNT NEEDED FOR FACILITIES AND NO ADDITIONAL, UH, FOR ROAD PURPOSES.

THEN THE PROJECTED TAX RATE FOR, UH, NEXT YEAR WOULD BE 7 CENTS.

AND THAT'S JUST A VERY SLIGHTLY ABOVE WHAT THE CURRENT RATE IS OF A 6.97.

UH, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM RIGHT, UH, IS PROJECTED NET HAD RUN ABOUT 23, 2023 THROUGH 2030 7.70 CENTS.

SO YOU SEE IT'S BELOW WHAT WAS PROJECTED WHEN WE ISSUED LAST, UH, UH, IN, IN 2020, IF YOU ISSUED AN ADDITIONAL 10 MILLION FOR ROADS, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE SAME RATE, UH, PROJECTED FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, BUT THE MAX RIGHT WOULD BE 7.85 CENTS, REALLY, RIGHT ON TOP OF WHAT WAS PROJECTED, UH, AFTER THIS, UH, FIRST ISSUE THEN IF YOU, UH, SAID, WELL, WHAT IF WE ISSUED 20 MILLION FOR ROADS ON TOP OF THE 30? AND YOU'LL SEE, THAT DOES KIND OF STRESS A LITTLE BIT, UH, FOR, UH, THE NEXT YEAR WE COULDN'T MAINTAIN THE PROJECTED 7 CENTS, UNLESS THE VALUES JUST, UH, INCREASE MORE DRAMATICALLY THAN WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING.

AND REITS CAME IN MUCH SLOWER, BUT YOU'LL SEE, WELL, THAT WOULD BE 7.2, 6 CENTS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, UH, UH, MODEL, YOU KNOW, AT THE TWO LOWER AMOUNTS, STILL LOWER THAN WHAT WAS PROJECTED, UH, AFTER THE FIRST ISSUE.

AND THEN THE MAXIMUM RATE WOULD BE ABOUT 7.9, 8 CENTS STILL UNDER EIGHT PENNIES, BUT, UH, THAT'S REALLY THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, I'M WANTING TO PROVIDE FOR YOU ALL.

THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DECISION TODAY.

UH, WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS LOOK AT THE CALENDAR RIGHT BEHIND THAT.

AND AS YOU RECALL, UH, COUNTIES IN TEXAS CAN ONLY AUTHORIZE AND APPROVE ISSUANCE OR SALE OF, UH, DEBT ISSUES AT REGULARLY ESTABLISHED MEETINGS.

AND IN MOST COUNTIES, THAT'S ONE OR TWO A MONTH.

FORTUNATELY YOU ALL HAVE, UH, ESTABLISHED EVERY TUESDAY WEEKLY, UH, AND, AND WE VERIFIED WITH BOND COUNCIL AND THEY CHECKED WITH THE CLERK.

UH, AND SO THAT'S GOOD.

SO ANY WEEK LITERALLY YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BE ON A SCHEDULE TO, UH, APPROVE DEBT ISSUANCE.

WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE THOUGH IS, IS SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE KIND OF STARTING FROM THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, AND SO ON, UH, WHAT'S THE SOONEST THAT WE COULD HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND THEN BE IN A POSITION TO SELL.

UH, AND, AND IF YOU'LL LOOK DOWN AT THAT BOLD, THAT WOULD BE THE FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THE OFFERING DOCUMENT, THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT, GET EVERYTHING LINED UP WITH THE WRITING AGENCIES.

OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THE HOLIDAYS THAT JUST INTERVENE AND SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN.

UH, THAT'S REALLY THE TIME THAT WOULD BE NEEDED BECAUSE WE'D BE SHOOTING TO DISCUSS THINGS WITH WRITING

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AGENCIES HAVE THE TWO CALLS, UH, MID PART OF JANUARY, REALLY THAT SECOND FULL WEEK, AND THEN TO GET THOSE BACK AND, AND, AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO SALE THAT WOULD PUT ON TRACK TO SELL THAT FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING.

NOW, IF THAT WASN'T WHAT WAS DESIRED OR WASN'T DOABLE, LIKE I SAID, THAT COULD BE PUSHED, UH, TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING DATE AND SO ON.

UH, I THINK TALKING WITH THE JUDGE THOUGH, IT'S LIKE A LOT OF FOLKS, UH, THERE WAS NERVOUSNESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY HAPPEN ECONOMICALLY AND INTEREST RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE LONGER WE GET INTO 2021.

SO, UH, MAYBE A DESIRE TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SCHEDULE.

AND BASED ON THAT, WHAT I WENT OVER EARLIER, AS FAR AS IF YOU SAY, YES, LET'S GO AHEAD FINANCE THE REMAINING 30 MILLION FOR FACILITIES, AND THEN TRY TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UH, SELL FOR ROAD PURPOSES.

UH, I WAS JUST TALKING TO JERRY, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT TO BE ON THIS SCHEDULE BEFORE THE END OF THIS MONTH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE EVERYTHING PULLED TOGETHER BASED ON THAT.

UH, ONE THING I KNOW, UH, JUDGE HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT'S IMPORTANT IS, UH, YOU CAN'T WHETHER FOR INTEREST RIGHTS OR WHATEVER, PURPOSE, A SALE, TOO MUCH DEBT, AND THEN JUST SET ON THE PROCEEDS.

THE IRS HAS RULES THAT ONCE ARE WHEN YOU ISSUE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A, A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 85% AT LEAST OF THAT MONEY OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD.

SO THAT'S WORTH KEEPING IN MIND THAT, UH, WHATEVER THE ROAD PROJECTS ARE AND SO ON.

AND IF YOU DECIDE WELL, UH, 10 OR 20 OR WHATEVER, THE AMOUNT MAY BE, UH, FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT COULD BE EXPENDED WITHIN A TWO TO THREE-YEAR TIMEFRAME.

GOOD, UH, QUESTIONS.

WELL, I'VE JUST ASKED YOU ONE QUESTION, THEN I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

UH, YOU, YOU TOLD ME THAT WE MIGHT BE IN GOOD COMPANY IF WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH GOING EARLY WITH BOND ISSUES, BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE OTHER CLIENTS THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING.

I MEAN, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT INTEREST RATES, RIGHT? RISING.

YES, SIR.

JUDGE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, AFTER 2021 STARTS AND GIVEN POLITICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

AND THEN NORMALLY, UH, YOU SEE INTEREST RATES BECAUSE YOU GET CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, LARGE INSTITUTIONS AND EVERYONE ELSE, UH, ARE CLEANING THINGS UP FOR TAX PURPOSES.

SO THEY QUIT SEEKING TO INVEST.

AND THEN ONCE YOU GET AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THERE'S LIQUIDITY AND A NEED REINVEST.

SO YOU GET INTO LATE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, NORMALLY SEE RATES KINDA SLIDE DOWN A LITTLE BEFORE, MAYBE THEY UPTICK OR, OR WHATEVER.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE, I WOULD SAY THE MAIN IMPETUS IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A DESIRE TO GET OUT EARLY IN THE YEAR? AND LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL ARE LUCKY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL MARCH OR SOMETHING.

IF YOU DON'T DO IT BY THIS DATE, IT COULD BE FEBRUARY 9TH OR, OR, UH, FOLLOWING, BUT THIS WOULD BE KIND OF THE SOONEST, UH, OR IN 2021.

THAT'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS THAT CHAD, LET ME ASK JERRY, THIS WAS A, REALLY A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UH, I NOTE THE SCHEDULES TALK ABOUT 97.5% ASSUMED COLLECTION RATE, WHERE ARE WHAT'S OUR COLLECTION RATE? UM, WE'RE STILL HOVERING AT THAT SAME RATE, 98 LAST YEAR.

WE'RE STILL RIGHT THERE.

WE'LL MAKE A CHANGE THOUGH, IS THE LINK WITH SIDE OF IT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BEHIND IN BABIES.

SO WE MADE A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT.

YES.

TYPICALLY THAT'S A GOOD SAFE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CURRENT AS WELL AS DELINQUENT IN MOST CITIES, COUNTIES COLLECT CLOSE TO, OR SOMETIMES EVEN RIGHT OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT WHEN YOU TAKE DELINQUENCIES INTO ACCOUNT.

OF COURSE, UH, WE GOT IT.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A TIMEFRAME HERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME, LIKE WHAT ROADS WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS WE'VE ALREADY AGREED UPON SINCE THE LAST FOOD BAR ON TAX DOLLARS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE IN WHICH PRECINCT AND ENGINEER AND POSTER AND THE PRECINCT COMMISSIONER TAKES CARE OF WHAT'S IN THEIR PRECINCT.

SO THERE'S PLANNING THIS, GOING TO TAKE PLACE TO SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE WILL BE WANTING TO GET.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS TIMELINE WHENEVER WE HAVE IN-HOUSE STUFF TO DO.

AND THEN, UH, I GUESS WE NEED TO SELL BUILDING BONDS FOR FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE TO ENOUGH BONDS TO BUILD A JUSTICE CENTER.

YEP.

WE ISSUED ENOUGH

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BONDS TO GET US THROUGH THIS YEAR.

THE PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR US.

THE PLAN WAS FOR US TO SELL THE 30 MILLION THIS YEAR CAN COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO RUSH THROUGH THE BUILDING FACILITIES AND STUFF, BUT THE ROAD DID NOT PLAN.

IT'S NOT IN OUR PLAN TO SELL BONDS THIS YEAR FOR ROAD PROJECTS.

RIGHT.

BUT I THINK WHAT MAKES I BROUGHT IT UP WITH THE JUDGE BECAUSE OF THE FM ROADS ON THE ENGINEERING FOUR 60 AND SEVEN 40.

MAINLY.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE ROMAN COME IN, THAT I TALKED TO BOLSTER AND OTHER PEOPLE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAYBE HELP SPEED TEXTILE UP A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING INTO A REAL ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO SELL BONDS, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ROW THREE, WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE ROADS AND CHANGE A PLAN.

THIS TIMELINE MIGHT NOT WHAT WE'RE OKAY.

BUT WHAT WE'RE, I THINK W TO MY MIND, WE'VE GOT TWO COMMITMENTS TO THE VOTERS.

ONE OF THEM IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE OUR TOTAL TAX RATE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE OUR TOTAL TAX RATE AS A RESULT OF HAVING TO SELL THESE BONDS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO, WE DID, WE DIDN'T SET A TIME EXACTLY WHEN WE WERE GOING TO DO IT, BUT WE COMMITTED THAT WE WOULD DO EVERY ROAD ON THAT LIST.

WOULD BE IF WE LOOKED AT IT AS A WHOLE, AND WE KNEW WE HAD TWO AND A HALF YEARS, OR HOWEVER MANY MONTHS IN THESE WERE HOW MANY ROADS WE WANTED TO GET DONE.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO.

WHAT'S FLEXIBLE HERE IS WE DIDN'T IT'S I THINK REALLY IT'S THAT PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE, WELL, ALL THE ROAD PROJECTS, IT'S JUST, HOW FAST DO YOU THINK YOU COULD YOU JUST GET THAT? IF WE BAR, IF WE SOLD THOSE BONDS AND HAD THAT MONEY AVAILABLE, COULD YOU ASSURE US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT MONEY WITHIN? I WAS THINKING TWO YEARS, BUT THREE YEARS AFTER MAX MATTER MONITOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ADD TO THIS? YES, SIR.

THAT'S A GOOD TIMELINE TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ARBITRAGE.

RIGHT.

WE'LL STILL HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE HILLTOP CALCULATE IT FOR US, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE IRS.

I THINK ANOTHER CONSIDERATION ABOUT ACCELERATING ROAD, UM, THE ROAD BOND DEBT, IS THAT THE MORE MONEY WE DO HAVE TO SPEND IN, IN MY SO FAR REALLY BRIEF EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THESE CONTRACTORS, THE MORE THAT WE CAN OFFER TO CONTRACT, UH, I THINK MAKES US MORE APPEALING TO ACTUAL, UM, CAPABLE, UM, COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, BIG TIME CONTRACTORS AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I THOUGHT HAVING ABOUT $5 MILLION TO, TO BE ABLE TO OFFER IN CONTRACTS AND PRECINCT FOUR WOULD BE A BIG THING AND REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYBODY TO, UH, TO BE INTERESTED, TO BRING A MASSIVE EQUIPMENT RELOCATIONS AND STAFF, AND, AND TO PRIORITIZE US, UH, YOU KNOW, AT PIECING IT OUT AT $5 MILLION HERE AND THERE.

SO, UH, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, REALLY PURSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, A MORE, A MORE ROBUST AND, AND, UM, CONSOLIDATED KIND OF, KIND OF BID, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE FOR RAILING OR COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER ASKED THIS QUESTION TO, UH, VARIOUS CONTRACTORS THAT ARE DOING PARTICULARLY COUNTY ROAD WORK, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD START TURNING HEADS IN NORTH TEXAS? YOU KNOW, IF WE, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE NEED? WOULD YOU WANT TO BE BIDDING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN VIDEOS PROJECTS.

WE USED TO RUN INTO THAT AT THE CITY, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD, WE HAD A $300,000 BID EVERY YEAR AND SOMETIMES 500,000 FOR STREET MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR.

BUT WE, WE COULD NEVER GET MORE THAN JUST ONE OR TWO BITTERS, CAUSE IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO BE WORTHWHILE FOR PEOPLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 22, APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 25 MILLION, AND IT WOULD BE A BUNDLE A ONE TO TWO YEAR CONTRACT.

SO BASICALLY THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT ALL OF YOUR ROADS AND BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD MAP IT OUT.

AND WE WOULD WANT TO DO A COMPETITIVE IN OF ALL OF YOUR CONTRACTS.

AND BASICALLY IT JUST BE A TERM KEY FOR ONE CONTRACT.

SO YOU'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL VENDORS CALLING.

UM, SO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD EACH PRECINCT, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN SCHEDULE, WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE SOME OF THEM NEEDED ENGINEERING.

AND SO THE BEST PLAN

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AND THEY HAD A GOAL AND THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAD TO SPEND.

THEN THAT WOULD BE THE CONTRACT THAT WE'VE LIVED AND THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD GET OTHER, AND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY EXPERIENCE IN TALKING TO A COUPLE OF THEM AT SOME VENDOR MEETINGS.

AND WHAT HAVE YOU IS WE GOTTA BE, WE NEED TO BE IN THE $20 MILLION RANGE TO REALLY, UH, ATTRACT ATTENTION FOR COMPETITIVE BIDDING.

THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MY BEST GUESSTIMATE RIGHT NOW, AS WELL.

KEY WHATEVER ROAD HERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE SPECS AND YOU WOULD WALK AWAY.

UH, WHAT, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT, MAYBE THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS, IF WE HAD, LET'S SAY WE DECIDED TO SELL $10 MILLION FOR THE ROAD BONDS.

SO WE HAVE $10 MILLION IN ROAD AND BRIDGE, BUT WE HAVEN'T SORTED OUT YET, WHICH PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE IN THAT LET'S HELP THEM.

AND WE'RE NOT READY.

WE HAVE MADE THAT DECISION BY, UH, BUDGET TIME.

WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE COULD HOLD THAT 10 MILLION IN ROAD AND BRIDGE IN THE GENERAL ROAD AND BRIDGE ACCOUNT WITHOUT ALEC, IF WE WEREN'T READY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE THAT TO THE COMMISSION PRECINCTS.

YOU WOULD HOLD IT IN THE VON FILLING.

YOU WOULD NOT.

JUST THE WAY THE BOND FUND, WE HOLD IT IN THE THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WE HOLD IT IN THE BOND FUND.

SO EVEN IF WE'RE NOT READY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE, WE'D STILL BE OKAY TO HOLD THEM, WHICH TIME PERIOD.

YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD IT TOO LONG AND EARN THE INTEREST.

THAT'S WHAT THE IRS IS INVOLVED IN.

WE GOT TO HAVE IT ALL SPENT WITHIN A 85%, WITHIN THREE YEARS.

WE'RE AT 85 YESTERDAY IN THE TWO YEARS.

IT'S REALLY, , WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF SPENT IN OUR BANK.

WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS RIGHT.

I MEAN, UH, IT'S PAYABLE IF IT'S BEEN INVOICED IT'S BEEN SPENT.

WELL, BUT IF YOU HAVE IT BID IT OUT AND YOU HAVE CONTRACTS ON THAT MONEY AND YOU HAVE FUNDS ARE OBLIGATED, IT'S BEEN SPENT.

OBLIGATED, IS IT ACCOUNTS AS SPAM? RIGHT? THAT WAS MY POINT.

MY QUESTION WAS I HAD THAT COMPLETE LIST WHEN YOU DID THE BOND ISSUE, ALL RIGHT.

ARE ALL OF THOSE ROADS UNDER ITS THAT HE NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN WHICH ONES YOU'RE GOING TO PICK, THAT HE CAN LEVY TO GET MORE MONEY ADDED TO IT BY NO, EACH PRECINCT, EACH PRECINCT HAS COUNTY ROADS AND STATE ROADS, AND EACH PRECINCT DECIDES OR WORKS ON WITH POSTER, WHICH ONES WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT THE COUNTY ROADS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HE WOULD GET EXTRA MONEY ON.

IF THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.

AS THEY, AS THEY SEND US INVOICES THAT WE PAY AND WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF IT AND THEN WHAT EXTRA MONEY, THEN WE DO SOMETHING WITH IT OR PLAN FOR IT.

BECAUSE I MEAN, AND IT'S VERY, I'M SORRY, THE STATE ROAD, NOT, WE WOULD NEVER GET ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY ON COUNTY ROAD, BUT OKAY.

I'LL SEND THAT BACK, BUT JUST SEE IF IT'S CITY ROADS, I GUESS THERE'S CITY ROADS AND STATE ROADS THAT ARE ON THERE AND COUNTY ROADS, BUT, AND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO POSTER THAT IF THERE'S UNDER, I MEAN, IF THEY COME UNDER BUDGET ON SOME OF THESE CITY ROADS AND STUFF, AND I CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT INTO COUNTY ROADS, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WHATEVER THE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, SO I WANT THEM TO HAVE SOME OF CONTROL TO KNOW WHERE I, WHERE I CAN SAVE MONEY TO WHERE I CAN ALSO BRING IN PLAN AHEAD FOR EXTRA MONEY FOR COUNTY ROADS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS 20 MILLION ON THESE TOMB ROADS.

I'M JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU CAN GIVE ME THAT LIST AND THEN I CAN ADJUST THE BUDGET BY THAT AMOUNT TO TIE IT INTO THOSE ROADS.

SO IT KEEPS TRACK OF IT.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING.

JUST AS A REMINDER, KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE COME IN UNDER BUDGET ON THE COUNTY ROAD SIDE, THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE COMPLETED.

AND SO WE'VE KEPT UP WITH THOSE BALANCES THAT YOU STILL HAVE.

SO AS YOU GO IN TO THIS, UM, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADD ROWS.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADD PROJECTS.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT BUNDLING, WE'LL LOOK AT MAKING THIS POSSIBLY A, A BIG BIDDING PROSPECT FOR THE COUNTY, UM, BUILDING MORE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT IN YOUR FONTS.

SURE, SURE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WESTWORLD, WELL THINK ALL OF US ARE PLANNING ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE CG OF KAUFFMAN NOW THEY'VE GOT 4.4 0.5 BID CAME IN AT 3.8, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE OVERRUNS, BUT

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SO WHAT ABOUT WHERE THE BIG MONEY COMES BACK AS IF THEY DO THE ENGINEERING AND THE ENGINEERING TXDOT COMES ALONG AND DECIDES TO PICK IT UP SURE.

AND DO THE MONEY AND GIVE IT BACK TO US INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, OH, WELL THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY MAKE THE MONEY.

THAT'S THE LAST MONTH LEX.

AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE BIGGEST CHUNK WAS TEXTS, NOT PICKING UP THE ENGINEERING THAT WE WERE SPENDING MONEY FOR.

UH, SO REALLY THE QUESTION WE'RE GOING TO FACE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ADVANCE, WE SHOULD DO MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, 30 MILLION FOR FACILITIES AND ADD 10 OR $20 MILLION TO THE ROAD BONDS.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A POINT BLANK QUESTION, GEORGE, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO ANSWER, BUT YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY TO ANSWER IT THAN ANYBODY DO YOU, CAN YOU IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE INTEREST RATES IN 2022 WOULD BE LOWER THAN THEY WILL BE IN 2021? IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE.

I KNEW HE WOULDN'T EXIT IT QUICKLY.

IMAGINE, UH, YOU KNOW, RATES ARE AT HISTORIC LOWS.

SO IT'S JUST HARD TO THINK THAT REITS ARE GOING TO GO EVEN LOWER.

TO ME, THERE'S MORE LIKELIHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO DRIFT UPWARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE TREASURY MARKET HAS BEEN KIND OF MOVING AWAY WITH THE STOCK MARKET MOVING UP.

SO, UH, I THINK THERE'S MORE OF A LIKELIHOOD THERE'LL BE HIGHER OR SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UH, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES BY.

WELL, THE ONLY, I THINK THEN THE ONLY REMAINING QUESTION IS REALLY, OR THE BIG REMAINING QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MONEY CAN SPECULATE THAT WE CAN HAVE SPAN IN TWO YEARS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET MORE THAN 10 MILLION, WELL, THREE YEARS, BUT GEORGE KEEPS SAYING YOU REALLY OUGHT TO PLAN ON TOO.

SO YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, WELL, WHAT IS D RAYLAND, CAN YOU SAY A BALLPARK BALANCE OF UNEXPENDED COUNTY ROAD BOND FUNDS THAT ARE THERE NOW, UM, WITH EVERYONE COMBINED BETWEEN THE PRECINCTS, YOU SIT IN ON PROBABLY AN EXTRA THREE, 4 MILLION OF BAR.

SO IF WE'RE TALKING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET UP IN THE 20 MILLION RANGE, WE, WE NEED TO, WE WOULD NEED AN ISSUE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF 15 ADDITIONAL MILLION, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 OR $20 MILLION CONTRACT BUNDLE.

SO WE, I MEAN, WE NEED TO PRETTY WELL ACTUALLY, WE'D BE PRETTY CLOSE TO JUST THE ISSUE IN THE FULL 20 MILLION.

WELL, WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT THOUGH.

STILL.

I MEAN, I AGREE.

WE NEED TO KNOW THAT NUMBER BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BASICALLY KIND OF.

YES, SIR.

AND THAT WAY WE COULD BE ON THIS, UH, DESIRING.

SO THE BIG, THE BIG CHUNK MONEY IS GOING TO BE IN HIGHWAY PROJECTS, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S ENGINEERING THE ENGINEER, PUTTING IT OUT WHEN ALL THAT LIFTS ARE GOING TO BE MILLION.

BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO SAY HOW MUCH I NEED THAT I NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEER AND RON AND UPHOLSTER AND EVERYBODY, AND, AND, AND MAN FROM DEAN TO GET ME AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY THINK THE MILEAGE AND THE ENGINEERING COST IS GONNA BE IT, BUT THESE ROADS, UM, CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO TELL YOU THE NUMBER YET.

I WAS HOPING THEY'D HAVE IT BY THE DAY.

AND I WOULDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW, BUT ARE THOSE W D DO YOU KNOW WHICH PARTICULAR PROJECTS YOU THINK ARE IMPACTED THERE? YES.

YES.

CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? THAT'S WHY I SAID MAINLY FOUR 60 AND SEVEN 40 IS MY BIGGEST IMPACT.

WE'RE TALKING TO A FEW MILES AND THEY DID GIVE ME A, YOU KNOW, A ROUGH ESTIMATE THE DAY THAT WE WERE TALKING AND THEY WERE TALKING IN TERMS OF MILEAGE.

SO I WAS LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND 5 MILLION.

I THINK I'M JUST ON MY LITTLE SECTION THERE.

HOW MUCH WAS ENGINEERING FOR HELMS TRAIL? DID YOU EVER SEE CLASS ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, POSTER WAS ESTIMATING WHEN THEY STARTED 3 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL THING IS AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T THINK I KNOW, BUT WE WILL KNOW.

SO WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT AND THEN, AND THEN THEY WORK OUT HOW MUCH YOU DO IT FOR.

RIGHT.

IT OUGHT TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

THEY HAVE GOOD LOBBYISTS.

YES THEY DO.

YES, THEY DO.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ABOUT IT UNLESS I HAD TO MAKE ANYBODY MAD.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT.

I KNOW, I LEARNED THAT IT'S LIKE, IT MAKES

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NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

IT'S LIKE GOING INTO BUYING A CAR, YOU BUY THE GUARD AND THEN THE DAY THE PRICE.

UH, SO I WOULD, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE, I DON'T KNOW W IT WE'LL HAVE, UH, WE, WE MAY SEE THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA DISCUSSING CONSIDER WHETHER WE'RE READY TO CONSIDER OR NOT, BUT WE MAY PUT IT ON THERE.

UH, GEORGE, IF I THINK WE NEED YOU, CAN YOU COME BACK NEXT WEEK? NEXT TUESDAY? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY'RE AROUND EASILY OUT OF TOWN.

I'M IN MIDLAND.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE DO.

I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE INPUT, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THE NUMBERS, WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

AND I THINK WE COULD SCHEDULE THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAVE OF THIS YEAR EVEN, AND COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.

IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT EVERY WEEK, THIS TREND TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT, BUT OKAY.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR GEORGE? THANKS FOR COMING OVER HERE.

SEE YA.

ITEM

[4. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider entering into an interlocal agreement with Regional Public Defender for Capital Cases.]

FOUR.

UH, THIS IS MINE DISCUSS, CONSIDER ENTERING INTO AN INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH A REGIONAL PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR CAPITAL CASES.

YOU WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT WE ARE A MEMBER OF A, OF THIS REGIONAL PUBLIC DEFENDER GROUP.

IT'S ALMOST, IT'S REALLY LIKE AN INSURANCE POOL, RIGHT? THAT, UH, WE ARE, THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT IT'S BY POPULATION AND BY LIKELIHOOD OR OUR HISTORY OF CAPITAL CASES ARE OUR TOTE ON THAT.

SO ABOUT $56,000 A YEAR, SPEAKING TO ONE OF THE DISTRICT JUDGES, WE HAD THIS, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BY JANUARY 1ST AND SPEAKING ONE OF THE DISTRICT JUDGES YESTERDAY, UH, THAT HE REQUESTED THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM, UM, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST.

SO, UH, WE MAY SEE IT, OR ACTUALLY, I THINK WE'LL JUST PASS IT IF THAT'S OKAY.

UH, WERE THEY, HE JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOME TIME FOR THEM TO DISCUSS IT AMONGST THEMSELVES.

AND THEN ALL RIGHT HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE ONE OF THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, OUR BILL IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ON THE ENTIRE LIST.

WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HUNT COUNTY IS ACTUALLY, WE'RE 56, I THINK HAN IS 60, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY ON THAT IS, BUT IT IT'S IT'S POPULATION AND THEY HAVE A CALCULATION FOR BASED ON HOW MANY CAPITAL CASES YOU'VE HAD.

I HADN'T.

AND I THINK THAT'S 43,000 IN IT.

AND WHEN WE DID JOIN IT, THOUGH, WE HAD ONE OF THE BIGGEST CAPITAL CASES, EVERYTHING THAT'S RIGHT.

ITEM FIVE RAELYNN COMING UP FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, FIRST DISCUSSING YOUR APPROVING AMENDMENT FISCAL YEAR 2021 CONTRACT PATROL BUDGET FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY MUD FOUR THAT'S DEVON CHAR.

THE VERY NEXT YEAR.

I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHARGING US MORE BECAUSE WE HAD A CAP ROCKWALL COUNTY DOESN'T PARTICIPATE, ELLIS COUNTY DOESN'T PARTICIPATE.

UH, I NOTICED JOHNSON COUNTY DOESN'T THOSE ARE COUNTIES.

I ALWAYS LOOK AT JOHNSON COUNTY DOES NOT PARTICIPATE.

HENDERSON DOES VANZANT DOES, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO, UH, COULD I, WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION LET'S TABLE? THIS ITEM I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND SNAGIT SEGRA COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[5. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approving amended FY 2020-2021 Contract Patrol Budget for Kaufman County MUD 4 (Devonshire Community).]

UM, WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT FEW ITEMS ARE THE EXHIBIT A'S THAT ARE PART OF THE LAW, THE PATROL CONTRACTS FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS, UH, FOR, UH, CONSTABLE PRECINCT TOO.

SO THESE WERE THE BUDGETS AS THEY WERE PRESENTED TO THE DISTRICTS AND APPROVED BY THE DISTRICTS, UM, FOR DEVIN SHIRE FOR MED FOUR, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AT ALL.

UM, I DID TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY IN THE ATTACHMENT.

WE JUST WENT BACK, UH, TWO FISCAL YEARS.

I'M STILL GATHERING A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THESE BUDGETS WILL BE PRESENTED.

UM, SO THAT WE'LL NOTE ANY CHANGES OR ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT THE DISTRICTS ASKED FOR, OR ARE DONATING FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.

SO THIS WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK STAFFING, ET CETERA.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAYOUT, UM, I'LL ALSO DISCUSS THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS WAS JUST THE BUDGET AS IT WAS PRESENTED.

PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT ARE PAYING.

SO I GUESS TO YOU HEARD MY CONCERNS LAST TIME ABOUT WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THE METROPLEX AND ALL THESE

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SO WE GOT IT ALL WORKED OUT WHERE WE'RE NOT SURPASSING OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OUR CONSTABLES AND PAYSCALE'S EQUIVALENT SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I KNOW IN THE WORKS, I'M SORRY.

I MISSED THE WORKSHOP, BUT EVERYTHING WAS COOL AND Y'ALL GOT IT ALL WORKED OUT.

YEP.

THAT'S COOL.

BUT YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONCERNS.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T FIND THE METROPLEX IS BAD ENOUGH, BUT THAT FIGHTING IN THE HOUSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND FROM ALL REPORTS I'VE GOTTEN THAT EVERYTHING IS HAPPY.

I JUST HAD AN ORDER FROM YOU THAT YOU'RE AT B YES MA'AM.

OKAY, COOL.

AND RAILING THE CHANGE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE CHANGE IS REALLY JUST THE ADDITION OF EITHER A FULL-TIME POSITION OR A PART-TIME POSITION.

IS THAT, IS THAT THE, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WILL BE THE KINDS OF CHANGES THAT ARE NOTED AND THAT'S BASED ON, DID THEY INCREASE THEIR PATROL HOURS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I WILL NOTE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.

UM, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION AND JUST GETTING THE FILES AND EVERYTHING IN ORDER, BUT THIS WAS KIND OF THE LAYOUT THAT I WENT WITH AND TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT STAFFING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THIS WILL BE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE CONTRACT.

YEAH, BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, JUST IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ATTACHMENTS, IT SHOWS IN 18 AND 19 THAT THERE WERE 906 PATROL HOURS, BUT THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROJECTION OF ANY CHANGE.

AND SO CONTRACT DOCUMENT ITSELF DIDN'T CHANGE IN.

SO THEN THE EXHIBIT A'S DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES EITHER.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT STILL I'M SITTING DOWN WITH THE CONSTABLES TO GET SOME OF THE HOLES PLUGGED IN AND, AND I WILL.

I UNDERSTAND.

BECAUSE IF, IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PATROL HOURS, THEN WHY IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, 20 GRAND IN SALARIES? SO THOSE ARE, AND THAT MAY JUST BE THAT YOU'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND I AM STILL VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

WAS THERE AN INCREASE IN THE PATROL HOURS THAT DEVIN CHAR THAT WAS NOT, THERE WAS AN INCREASING IN, UH, STEP RAISES.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WE'RE STILL ON FIVE.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I THINK WE'RE GONNA JUST HEAR THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

UM, WHAT'S BEFORE US IS TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE AMENDED FYI 2021 PER CONTRACT, UH, PATROL BUDGET FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY MUD FOUR.

IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, I GUESS I SHOULD, I COULD ASK FOR A THIRD, UH, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES.

THAT BRINGS

[6. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approving amended FY 2020 2021 Contract Patrol Budget for Kaufman County MUD 5 (Clements Ranch Community).]

US TO SIX.

MRS. CAN DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AMENDED 20, 21 CONTROL PATROL CONTROL PATROL CONTRACT FOR MUD FIVE, WHICH IS CLEMENT'S RANCH.

SAME DEAL.

SAME RIGHT NOW CLEMENTS.

WE DID INCREASE PATROL THAT TOO.

YES.

AND SO THIS WAS THEIR APPROVED EXHIBIT A BY THE DISTRICT.

AND SO THEN THIS WOULD BE THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR QUESTIONS.

NOPE.

WHAT WAS YOUR MOTION REGARDING ITEM SIX? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPROVAL.

WE HAVE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO APPROVE THAT AMENDED CONTRACT.

UH, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEPARATE COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION

[7. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approving amended FY 2020-2021 Contract Patrol Budget for Kaufman County MUD 6 (Travis Ranch Community).]

CARRIES ITEM SEVEN.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AMENDED CON PATROL CONTRACT FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY MUD SIX.

THEY ARE BUDGETED TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL PATROL, UM, THE MONTH OF JANUARY.

SO THEY ARE BUDGETED TO ADD NEXT MONTH.

RIGHT? QUESTIONS.

THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM SEVEN? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE.

WELL, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OF COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

CARRIES AUTOMATE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER WAGE INCREASE FOR DEPUTY AARON ROSS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,907 IS BUDGETED IN AVAILABLE PATROL CONTRACT SUPPORT FUNDS NOT BUDGETED IN THE COUNTY BUDGET.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION

[8. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider wage increase for Deputy Aaron Ross in the amount of $1,907, as budgeted in available patrol contract support funds.]

SO THIS WILL COME DIRECTLY OUT OF THE INDIRECT FUNDS THAT ARE PAID BY EACH OF THE CONTRACTS.

THIS IS DIVIDED THROUGHOUT ALL EXISTING CONTRACTS.

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THIS WILL BRING DEPUTY AARON ROSS UP TO THE EXISTING KSL PAY SCALE FOR CANINE HANDLER QUESTIONS.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT WAGE INCREASE FOR DEPUTY ERIN ROSS I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

OPRAH MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES

[9. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider wage increase for CorporaSs Jacob Forman, Mark Sharrock, and Mateo Villareal in the amount of $2,393 (each), as budgeted in available patrol contract support funds.]

OUT OF NINE DISCUSSING CONSIDER WAGE INCREASE FOR CORPORALS, JACOB FOREMAN, MARK SHARROCK AND MATEO VILLAREAL IN THE AMOUNT OF 2,393, EACH AS BUDGET IN THE PATROL CONTRACT.

THERE WE GO.

SAME THING.

THIS WILL BRING ALL THREE STAFF MEMBERS UP TO CORPORATE PAY LEVEL.

SAME AS SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

QUESTIONS.

THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE WAGE INCREASES? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

NEXT UP DEPUTY CHIEF KITCHENS DISCUSSING CONSIDER APPROVING DEPUTIZATION.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

RAELYNN.

[10. Deputy Chief Kitchens; Discuss and consider approving the deputation of William Jones as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman County Precinct #2 Constable's Office as a contract deputy for a newly added position, as approved by FY-2021 Fresh Water Supply District No. 1-C (Windmill Farms) Budget,adopted October 13, 2020.]

A WILLIAM JONES IS A DEPUTY CONSTABLE OF THE COFFIN COUNTY PRECINCT TWO AS A CONTRACT DEPUTY FOR A NEWLY ADDED POSITION AS APPROVED BY THE 20 FISCAL YEAR 21 FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT WINDMILL FARMS BUDGET LIKE YOU JUDGE MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, MR. JONES IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE KAUFMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHERE HE WAS AN ACTIVE LIEUTENANT OVER THE JAIL.

MR. JONES PUT HIMSELF THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY HAS GRADUATED, UM, AND MR. JONES WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF IT.

UM, AFTER COMPLETING MR. JONES' BACKGROUND, WHICH WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE, UH, MR. JONES WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE DEPARTMENT.

AND SO WE HAD A POSITION THAT WAS, UH, OPEN AND WE WOULD LIKE TO FILL MR. JONES WHAT'S THAT POSITION.

AND YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY TIME.

YES, SIR.

HE DOES UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A NON BUDGETED POSITION OTHER THAN FUNDED BY THE CONTRACT SLOWLY BY THAT COMES ON UNDER THAT JUDGE THEY'RE AWARE.

THAT ALWAYS SCARES ME, BUT WE'LL SEE.

SO MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE A FARM UP AND MAKE THAT AND KNOWING THAT, THAT THEY KNOW THAT BLANK AND KNEW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FORMS ON OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THEY HAVE TO COME WORK FOR US.

THEN ANYONE WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION AND EVERYTHING, JUST TURN IT IN WITH A PACKET ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

IF THAT HAPPENS, I'LL BE, I MEAN, IT'S THIS BIG DEAL AND IT'S IN WRITING, I'M GONNA FEEL BAD.

AND IT'S GONNA PUT PRESSURE ON US TO MAKE A DECISION FOR SOMEONE TO LOSE THEIR JOB AND NOT FUNDING WITH COUNTY MONEY IS GOING TO HURT US.

SO, BUT IF WE KNOW UP FRONT THAT THEY KNOW IT'S NOT THAT NOT THAT IT IS GOING TO TWIST MORE THAN ANYBODY BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THIS INDIVIDUAL AND IT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY.

WELL, YEAH.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

RAYLAND DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MODIFICATION OF NUMBER FIVE, ANOTHER DAMN CONTRACT DAM CONTRACT.

SO, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CONSTABLE, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 10, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ITEM, UH, FISHER PHILLIPS MOVES TO APPROVE THAT DEPUTIZATION IS DISCUSSED.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SEGRA COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES, UH, ITEM 11.

THANK YOU.

[11. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approval of modification #5 to TSSWCB Contract #UEFL11-REP:ST- 004-19 & ST2-013-20.]

SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

UM, I ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE FINAL INSPECTION OF THIS DAM CONTRACT.

WOW.

AND SO THIS WAS TO ADD THEIR LAST OF THEIR CALENDAR DAYS AND JUST SOME TEMPORARY SEATING.

AND WE SHOULD BE CLOSING OUT THIS CONTRACT THIS WEEK.

SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST OF THE DOCUMENTATION.

AND WE WILL HAVE ONE DOWN IN ONE TO GO.

IS THIS THE, WAS THIS PATIENT THE ONE THAT HAD THE CONTROVERSY WITH THE CONTRACTOR? NO, BUT WE, UM, WITH THIS ONE DONE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL THE ON ONE SITE AND WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE OTHER ONE IS ON TRACK.

SO WE'RE GOOD.

THEN, UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS THEN, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE MODIFICATION.

NUMBER FIVE TO THAT, UH, T S S WCB CONTRACT.

SO MOVE, WE HAD THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CASES ARE SECOND.

OH, SORRY.

SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OUR GLORIOUS AUDITOR IS GOING TO DISCUSS LINE OUT OF TRANSFERS.

NO, THAT WAS THAT A, NO, THAT WAS ALL FOR THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, ITEM 12.

[12. Discuss/Consider line item transfers.]

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VERY MINOR ONES THAT WERE SENT TO YOU.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? THIS WILL INCLUDE ALL THE ONES TO ADJUST THE CONSTABLES CONTRACT BUDGETS ALSO THAT WE HAD GAVE YOU PRIOR.

GOT THEM.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT, YOUR CLIENTS FOR MY PAYMENT OR MILLION $638,214 AND 17 CENTS.

NO QUESTIONS THEN.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE LINE? I DON'T TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION CLEAR THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SACRED IN CASE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES ITEM 12, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS NEXT MOTION, UH,

[13. Discuss/Consider claims for payment.]

YOUR MAJOR EXPENSES WAS EMPLOYEE INSURANCE, UH, 2014, 2020 ROAD BONDS AND FACILITIES, BOND CONSTRUCTIONS.

UM, ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS COVID RELATED, YOU NEED TO GET THOSE EXPENSES TO ME SO I CAN GET THEM RECORDED.

CLOCK IS TICKING.

ALL OF OUR, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE GAVE TO, TO CHARITIES AND STUFF AND NONPROFITS IN THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S DEADLINES OUT THERE, RIGHT? THEY ARE.

AND I MEAN, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITE STATUS REPORT, BUT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR ON IT.

WELL, I MEAN, UM, AND THE PROCESS OF ENTERING THE MAY AND NINE TODAY, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WE HAD TO GET A FEW MORE COPIES OF CHECKS IF THEY FORGOT TO SEND US.

AND THEN ON THE, UM, THE NON-PROFITS I HAVE TO GET WITH, UH, MR. HEALEY, STEVE, BECAUSE I NEED TO FIND OUT IF HE'S GOT ACTUAL COPIES OF THOSE CHECKS SO I CAN SEND THOSE TO, FOR THE NONPROFIT.

CAUSE IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO EVEN KNOW THAT THEY GOT IT, THE MONEY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE BEHIND OR IF THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT IT AND JUST TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION IN.

SO I HAVE NO IDEA.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST GOT TO ASK QUESTIONS WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY, WE WERE KIND OF LOST WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDS.

WOULD ANYONE MOTION ON ITEM 14? OH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO WOULD SOMEBODY BESIDES COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS CARRY LIKE EMOTIONAL ITEM 13, WE HAVE EMOTIONAL COMMISSION BARBARA TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEGWIT COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES NOW.

[14. Adjourn Regular Meeting]

THIS MAYBE MR. PHILLIPS MOVES TO ADJOURN.

THE MEETING IS HER SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.