Dec 15, 2020 Commissioners Court

TRAINED, MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE SPECIFIC TRAINING AND WE WILL CROSS TRAIN THEM AS WELL.

I NEED THAT ONE.

OH, THAT'S THE MONEY PART, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

I'LL LOVE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO IF YOU TURN TO THE FIRST PAGE, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT THIS IS THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE 422ND DISTRICT COURT.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THE PAGE, BUT WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT WHAT JUDGE CHITTY HAS DONE IS THAT HE'S HIRED A COORDINATOR AND AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR.

I WANT TO CHANGE THAT, BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT THE COORDINATOR IS HERS.

HER BASE SALARY IS $50,648 AND 15 CENTS.

THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR IS $38,910 AND 13 CENTS.

WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE NUMBERS, IF YOU LOOK TO THE MIDDLE, THE TOTAL BASE SALARY IS $89,558 AND 28 CENTS.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE NUMBERS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SLOW, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU COMBINE THE COORDINATOR AND THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, THOSE TOTAL OUT TO APPROXIMATELY $90,000, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, AND I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL TO THE 422ND.

AS I SEE IT IS TO CHANGE IT FROM A COORDINATOR AND AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, TWO, TWO CO-EQUAL COORDINATORS AND HAVE ONE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CIVIL LAW AND THE OTHER RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMINAL LAW.

AND IF YOU'LL, I DON'T WANT YOU NECESSARILY TO TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, BUT I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU BRIEFLY WHY I THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT I DID IN, IN, IN TALKING TO THOSE WHO I INTEND TO HIRE, AND I HAVE, UM, I'VE OFFERED JOBS TO TWO INDIVIDUALS IS I SPLIT THAT $89,558 IN HALF WITH A BASE SALARY OF $44,779 AND 14 CENTS FOR BOTH.

NOW, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE HIRED IS ANGELA FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH SHE WILL BE BRINGING THE LONGEVITY AS WELL AS I'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT MERIT PAY, BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE HER PERIOD LEGAL CERTIFICATE.

SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING TO MAINTAIN, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN TERMS OF THOSE BASE SALARIES, BUT DIVIDE THE POSITIONS INTO AND HAVE THEM MORE SPECIALIZED.

THE REASON I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE SPECIALIZED IS BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT.

UM, AND IF YOU TURN TO THAT, THAT NEXT PAGE, THE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF RESETS DISCOVERY, THE ATTORNEYS ARE DIFFERENT.

THE TYPES OF HEARINGS ARE DIFFERENT.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SPECIFICALLY TRAIN THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS.

SO WHEN ATTORNEYS COME IN, THEY CAN DEAL WITH THEIR ISSUES WITH SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE.

UM, AND THEN WHEN THEY ARE

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UM, IN MEETING WITH JUDGE RICHARDS, UM, HE WAS ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE I MET WITH HR MET WITH KAREN AND THEN FINALLY MET WITH JUDGE RICHARDS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE EXPLAINED TO ME IS HISTORICALLY, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MOVING TOWARDS MORE STANDARDIZED PAY, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THINGS WERE MORE STREAMLINED.

SO HE ENCOURAGED ME TO MAINTAIN WHAT I'M DOING IN TERMS OF THE TWO CO EQUAL COORDINATORS, CRIMINAL AND CIVIL.

BUT, UH, HE ENCOURAGED ME TO ASK FOR THE $50,648 AND 15 CENT, UH, TO, TO CREATE PARODY WITH THE OTHER STARTING SALARIES OF THE COORDINATORS.

NOW, PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY.

EITHER WAY.

I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THAT THE LADIES WHO HAVE BEEN HIRED OR WILL BE HIRED ONCE WE POST FOR, FOR FIVE DAYS, WE'LL BE EXCITED TO LEARN THAT, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL, UH, FOR ONE, ONE, I THINK A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND FOR THE OTHER, AN ADDITIONAL $6,000.

AND BEFORE I TAKE MY SEAT, LET ME SAY THIS.

I GAVE YOU A SECOND PAGE.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT EITHER WAY WE GO BASED ON MY NUMBERS, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE SAVING $14,477.

UH, JUST BECAUSE THE SALARY OF THE REPORTER IS GOING FROM $87,913 TO $78,842.

AND THEN THEY'LL, THERE WILL ALL ALSO BE A SAVINGS FROM THE CURRENT SALARY OF, UM, THE CURRENT POSITION AS CORE COORDINATOR, $57,709 TO THE 49 OR $50,000 RESPECTIVELY IT'LL SAVE APPROXIMATELY $8,000.

AND THEN I'M ASKING FOR AN INCREASE FROM THE 40,000 TO THE 45 OR 50.

SO, SO EITHER WAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS JUST BECAUSE THE SALARY, THE SALARIES WITH LONGEVITY, UH, HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET, TOTAL BUDGET FOR SALARIES.

IF YOU'LL LOOK IN THE FIRST BOTTOM CATEGORY IN THE GRAY IS $221,000, $509, AND IT WILL GO DOWN TO $207,032.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I APPRECIATE AGAIN, YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THAT.

LET ME, LET ME JUST WAIT AND REALLY JUST EXPLAIN JUST ONE THING REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU, IN CASE SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LAST PAGE THAT HE HAS HIS SILO THINGS THERE, UH, THAT 50,006 48 NUMBER, THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY 1ST WITH THE RAISE THAT THAT WOULD BE COMING WITH THAT POSITION.

ALSO, MY QUESTION WAS, I THOUGHT YOU'D CALL IT IT TOO.

IT SAID THAT THERE WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS DIFFERENCE WITH ONE AND 6,000 WITH THE OTHER, RIGHT.

WELL, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS, THE BASE PAY IS BASE PAY AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF IS ADDED TO THE 50,000, RIGHT.

THE LONGEVITY AND STUFF.

SO, RIGHT.

I MEAN, YOUR REMARK ABOUT THE THOUSAND DOLLARS DIFFERENCE IN SALARY AND $6,000 DIFFERENCE IS YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

I WOULD NEED TO ADD THE MERIT PAY YES.

AVERAGES, BUT I TRY TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE INFORMATION SO YOU COULD SEE IT.

SO ONE THING THAT WE DO IN COURT IS WE PUT THINGS ON THE RECORD, BUT THE COURT LOOKS AT THE DOCUMENTS AS WELL.

SO, SO THE, SO THE JUDGMENT IS CORRECT.

AND MY WORDS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT, WELL, IT JUST HAS THE BASE SALARY HERE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT 50,000 A PIECE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LONGEVITY.

GOTCHA.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT THE BASE SALARIES ARE THE SAME.

AGAIN, SO HONEST, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT FINAL PAGE DOES NOT INCLUDE.

WHAT I THINK HE HAS A GREAT PLAN TO HAVE TWO COORDINATORS THAT ARE SPECIALIZED BECAUSE FROM WHAT, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT, AND SOME OF WHAT THE WHOLE WORLD IN CIVIL TENDS TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE WORLD AND CRIMINAL AND THE LAWYERS ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

NOW OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOOK AT, BUT I AM OKAY AGAIN WITH THE 49 AND THEN WHATEVER THAT, THAT 49 NUMBER DOES INCLUDE THE LONGEVITY.

IT DOES INCLUDE THOSE OTHER NUMBERS.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE COMMUNICATED, UH, WITH, WITH THE LADY THAT I'D LIKE TO HIRE.

SO, UM, WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO ABOVE THAT, IF YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, OBVIOUSLY I'M GREAT WITH THAT AS WELL, PROPOSAL THE SHELTON WAS, AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM, GAVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND THERE.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, UH, AS A CHORD IS TRY TO TRYING TO STANDARDIZE AND, AND, UH, IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, TRY TO STANDARDIZE POSITIONS, TITLES, AND WAGES, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT SOONER OR LATER, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT NEXT YEAR.

WHEN YOU COME BACK AND SAY, I WANT TO WRITE THE COORDINATORS.

AND I GOT A GREAT, I GOT A GREAT EDUCATION FROM SHELTON IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT I THINK HE, AS A LAYMAN,

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I MEAN, NOT, I MEAN, GENERALLY THE LAWYERS ARE DIFFERENT THAT THE PROCESSES ABSOLUTELY THE EXPERTISE THAT THE COORDINATOR HAS TO HAVE IS DIFFERENT.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

AND, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD ADOPT THAT, THAT WE'D ADOPT THOSE TWO COORDINATOR POSITIONS, UH, WITH NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN THEM OTHER THAN JUST HIS INTERNAL WOULD BE SUB ONE WOULD BE DESIGNATED CIVIL AND OTHER BE DESIGNATED CRIMINAL, I THINK, UH, OKAY, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO, WE'LL FIX IT.

I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF A SITUATION.

WE HAVE TWO LADIES THAT ARE GOING TO RETIRE DECEMBER 31ST.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THE BUDGET FOR THE TIME THEY HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

SO DON'T PANIC.

WHEN YOU SEE ME COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY IN THAT LINE ITEM, IT'S NOT COVER.

WHAT HE HAD ASKED FOR IS TO COVER THE CARRY OVER.

NOW JERRY'S PANICKING BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT SHOULD BE A BUDGETED ITEM, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER $3 MILLION AND COMPENSATED ABSENCES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET FOR.

WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT.

WE ALWAYS MOVE MONEY TO COVER WHEN SOMEBODY RETIRES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY OUR POLICIES WRITTEN THAT THEY GET TO CARRY SO MANY HOURS WITH THEM.

SO WE'LL COVER THAT.

MY ONLY SUGGESTION TO WHAT JUDGE GIBBS WANTS TO DO IS I WOULD NOT LOWER HIS COURT REPORTER BECAUSE THE OTHER DISTRICT COURT REPORTER IS GOING TO BE SITTING HIGHER AND IT'S NOT COMPARABLE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADJUST IT.

IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED.

THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, NOT TOUCH IT.

JUST WORRY ABOUT THE, THE TWO COORDINATORS, RIGHT? IF WE COULD KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE MAKE A DECISION ON THE TWO, UH, COORDINATOR POSITIONS, AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS WHATEVER MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE URGENCY OF THIS ACTION, AND WE APPRECIATE JUDGE CHITTY.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT STEP ON JUDGE CITY'S TOES AND ALL THIS.

AND HE'S OF COURSE, VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT TELLING US TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE IT.

UH, CHELTON WANTED TO GET THIS DONE, HAVE IT ALL IN PLACE PRIOR TO HIS TAKEN OFFICE, WHICH I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN, IN MEETING WITH HR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY COMMUNICATED TO ME IS THAT THEY WANTED TO POST IT FOR FIVE DAYS, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE URGENCY.

WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING IT.

I THINK YOU GUYS MEET ON THE 27TH, WE WERE GOING TO MEET ON THE 20TH AND DO IT THEN.

AND, AND THIS POSTING THING CAME UP.

SO THAT'S WHY WE BACKED IT UP.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, JUDGE TRUDY WAS SO GRACIOUS AND HE IS, HE HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND NOT OFFENDED AT ALL BY THIS.

SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE, UH, IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S A CORRECT ASSUMPTION THAT ESSENTIALLY THE, THE VOLUME OF WORK, THE LEVEL OF, UH, EFFORT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FOR BOTH OF YOUR, FOR BOTH OF THESE PROPOSED COORDINATOR POSITIONS.

I THINK, I THINK, YES.

NOW, IF YOU WERE TO ASK THEM, THEY MAY SAY, NO, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEXITY WITH FAMILY LAW, I THINK IN, IN TERMS OF THE HEARINGS.

BUT I THINK ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU LEARN, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR CIVIL AND CRIMINAL, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSIGNMENTS THAT I'LL TRY TO CREATE PARODY, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE INCUMBENT UPON ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROLES AREN'T DEFINED AND THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR AND EQUAL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THE ROLES WILL BE AS FAR AS I'M ABLE TO DETERMINE A PRETTY SUCH PRETTY EQUAL, EQUAL.

SURE.

AND THEN THE SECOND IS, AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS PROPOSED 50,006 48 IS THE SAME SALARY THAT'S IN THE OTHER DISTRICT COURT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? COORDINATOR? THAT, THAT WILL BE THE COORDINATOR SALARIES ON JANUARY 1ST.

HAVE A BACKUP ANSWERING PHONES, YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT ATTORNEYS CAN ALWAYS CONTACT THAT KNOWS BOTH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL, BUT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAN.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, SAM.

ALSO THEN YOUR FIRST QUESTION HERE, WE'RE GOING TO CROSS TRAIN THEM OFF.

SO YES.

SO IF YOU SAW THAT ONE WAS WORKING A LOT MORE YOU'D CONSTRUCT THE OTHER ONE, THEY ASSIST THE OTHER ONE.

THAT WAY, IF SOMEBODY IS OUT, UH, YOU DON'T

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WORKS? KEEP IN MIND TOO.

HE ALSO HAS THE DIVERSION COURT THAT HE TAKES CARE OF TOO.

SO I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE RESTRICTION OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO INCLUDE THOSE TWO COURT COORDINATORS AS DISCUSSED, AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BARBERS ARE SECOND I'LL SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES AND PROBABLY THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU, YOUR FIRST NAME IS GOING TO CHANGE.

IT'S STILL SHELTON, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, AGAIN, TIME AND ATTENTION AND I HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE I'M IN DOCKET.

OH, IS THAT OKAY? DON'T GET IN TROUBLE.

UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, UH, JERRY IS, JERRY DEAN IS GOING TO, OR JAIR BEAR IS HE'S OFFICIALLY KNOWN BY SOME PEOPLE IS GONNA, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, EXTRA.

[4. Jerry Dean; Discuss/Consider extra paid holiday for county employees.]

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HEAR THE END OF THAT JUNE 1ST ABOUT, UH, HOLIDAY PAY.

WHAT ARE Y'ALL COOKING UP OVER THERE IN HR AS A COMMISSIONER, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THE COUNCIL, WHAT WAS A VERY POPULAR HOLIDAY EVENT THIS YEAR? UM, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS, NOT JUST FROM EMPLOYEES, BUT DEPARTMENT HAS JUST SAYING, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO? SO HR DEPARTMENT AND TALKING, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE OFFER AN EXTRA PAID HOLIDAY THIS YEAR AND THAT DAY BE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 30, FIRST NEW YEAR'S EVE.

IT'S A DAY WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

NOW IT'S A CLOSED EARLY DAY LOOKING AT ALL THE AGENDAS AND THE CALENDARS AS A REAL QUIET DAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COURT TO DO IN THIS YEAR.

AND, AND IN LIEU OF, WHAT'S BEEN A VERY STRESSFUL YEAR FOR ALL OF US IN ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE'RE ASKING IF WE CAN HAVE THIS EXTRA PAID OFF DAY.

AWESOME IDEA.

SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M PUTTING IN FRONT OF US WHO WANTS TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.

WELL, AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN A GOOD MOOD, I DO HAVE A LIST HERE.

UM, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA BESIDES THIS YEAR.

SORRY.

OH, OKAY.

UH, QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JERRY ABOUT THAT? UH, IF THERE ARE NONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ESTABLISH THE, FOR THIS YEAR UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT 30, THE 31ST NEW YEAR'S EVE WILL BE A FULL DAY HOLIDAY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION JUDGE WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER CASES ARE SECOND I'LL SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, I DON'T HEAR ANY THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, JERRY.

CONNOR MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR REPLAY OF KAUFFMAN CITY LAKES, ESTATES, LOT SEVEN B ONE AND LOT SEVEN TWO LOCATED IN PRECINCT.

NOW WE'RE ROLLING WITH MONIQUE, UH, MONIQUE

[5. Monique Hunter; Motion to approve variance requests for replat of Kaufman City Lakes Estates (lot 7B1 and Lot 7B2) located in Pet. 1.]

WERE DENIED BY THE COMMITTEE, THEN WE WOULD PUT IN THE REMARKS FROM THE COMMITTEE AND BRING IT TO COURT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THAT OPTION.

SO THIS PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN YOU SAW IT BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT COMMITTEE USUALLY DOES VARIANCES.

UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS A LITTLE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS.

THEY STARTED, THEY STOPPED, WE LOST TRACK OF THEM.

THEY FINALLY CAME BACK IN BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

SO, UM, WE HAVE DO THIS VIA THE 2006 REGULATIONS, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO GRANT THE VARIANCE.

THE VARIANCE IS FOUR 75 FOOT OF FRONTAGE.

IT'S COMING OFF OF A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, COMMISSIONER IT'S IN YOUR PRECINCT ONE, UM, LORRAINE LANE CUL-DE-SACS AND THEN HIS PRIVATE DRIVE GOES IN.

HE HAD SEPARATED LOTS FOR, FOR HIS FAMILY.

AND THEN HE TURNED AROUND AND SOLD ONE THAT WASN'T.

AND SO NOW WE HAD TO MAKE HIM PLOT THAT LAND.

AND SO WE DID GET HIM INTO COMPLIANCE.

WE SPOKE WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS.

AND IF YOU NOTICE THAT LETTER THAT THEY PLACED IN THERE, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GRANT THE VARIANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AN ACCURATE RECORD FILED AT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S AFTER THE FACT.

SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GO BACK AND EVICT PEOPLE OR CHANGE IT.

SO WAS THIS, OR WE FINALLY GOT HIM BACK IN THE OFFICE REPORT FROM THE DEVELOPER LIKE THIS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT TO ME.

UH, NO, NORMALLY YOU DON'T NORMALLY YOU DON'T GET THOSE.

NORMALLY THEY GO, UM, THAT'S JUST TALLY FOR US TO SAY, WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE? WE KEEP THAT IN, IN OUR OFFICE.

WE JUST PUT THAT IN THERE SO THAT YOU COULD SEE WHO DISCUSSED, WHO WAS THERE WHEN WE WERE TALKING, IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE WHEN A MATTER COMES TO US.

IT COMES OUT OF THERE.

I THINK IT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, YEAH, BECAUSE NORMALLY THAT COMMITTEE WOULD, THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD SEE THAT AS IF THEY WERE, THEY

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SO THAT WAS SORT OF AN INTEROFFICE, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD INCLUDE IT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE, THE FIRE MARSHALL TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE ALL TALKED.

SO THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE, THE TWO VARIANCES FOR THE 75 FOOT FRONTAGE AND THE ROAD MATERIAL FOR THE PRIVATE ROAD.

MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT TO APPROVE THAT VARIANCE AS PRESENTED ON ITEM FIVE.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

SIMILAR SUBJECT MOTION TO IMPROVE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES AND

[6. Monique Hunter; Motion to approve replat of Kaufman City Lakes Estates (lot 7B1 and Lot 7B2) located in Pet. 1.]

REPLAB COFFINS, UH, KAUFFMAN CITY LAKES ESTATES, 70 AND 72 71 TWO.

AND THAT ONE IS JUST THE, NOW THAT THE VARIANCE HAS BEEN GRANTED, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RECORD THAT PLAT QUESTIONS.

FOR MOTION, MY MOTION, WE HAD A MOTION.

UH, WE HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT REPLANT FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, MONIQUE.

FIRST ITEM RAYLAND DISCUSS, CONSIDER PERMISSION TO SOLICIT RFQ 2100 FOR ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL SERVING FIRMS IN THE 20 2122 TEXAS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM.

NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE MEETING IS TURNED OVER TO RAELYNN SMITH.

[7. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider permission to solicit RFQ 21-04: Engineering / Architectural / Surveying Firm(s) - 2021-2022 Texas Community Development Block Grant Program.]

GOOD MORNING.

UM, I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS MORNING, SHAUNA AND BRETT FROM GRANT WORKS, I WAS GOING TO LET THEM TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT JUST ABOUT THE PROCESS, SOME OF THE, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE BACKGROUND WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE AN RFQ JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES.

ONCE WE HAVE A PROJECT ESTABLISHED, AS SEAN IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT POSSIBLY MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN YOUR PRECINCT AND WHAT THAT PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY FIRST STEPS IN DEVELOPING OUR GRANT APPLICATION.

BUT I DID WANT TO HAVE GRANT WORKS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE IN THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.

SO GOOD TO SEE.

AND AGAIN, JUDGE RICHARDS, UM, SEAN IS GOING TO BE DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE TALKING, UH, JUST WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE ENGINEERS, THE RFQ AND STUFF THAT GOES INTO THAT PROCESS.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO BE HERE TWICE, ONCE AGAIN, UH, MAIN POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE COUNTY, IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, UH, JUST DOES A SCREENSHOT TO ME AND I DID THE PEOPLE THAT GOT THE ANSWERS HERE.

AWESOME.

GOOD MORNING.

I HAVE A POSSIBLE PROJECTS IN YOUR PRECINCT.

UM, WHAT I JUST GAVE YOU IS JUST A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM BASICS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT ALL THESE PROJECTS MUST MEET 51% LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.

SO THE BENEFICIARIES OF ANY PROJECT THAT WE DO, UM, HAS TO BE 51% LOW TO MOD.

UM, WE WILL CONDUCT SURVEYS ONCE THE PROJECT IS PICKED, UM, AND TO SUBMIT WITH THE APPLICATION.

UH, SO WE CAN PROVE BASICALLY THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE, UM, PROGRAM, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UM, IN, UH, NC.

IS IT ? YES.

I THINK I GAVE MY PIECE OF PAPER.

THERE IT IS, UM, PRIORITY PROJECTS OR WATER WASTE, WATER SEPTIC TANKS, UM, YARD LINES, ROAD, STREETS, AND DRAINAGE.

SO KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT PRETTY MUCH NEEDS TO BE WHAT WE PICK.

UM, WE ALSO NEED TO KEEP THE AREA CONTAINED.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE ALL OVER THE COUNTY OR ALL OVER THE PRECINCT.

IT NEEDS TO BE IN A SPECIFIC AREA OF POSSIBLE.

IT CONNECTS.

UM, AND THAT IS JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME AT THIS POINT TO DO SURVEYS ALL OVER, UH, EACH PRECINCT.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT IS 350,000, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF BENEFICIARIES, IT CAN BE UP TO 20% MATCH, WHICH WOULD BE $70,000.

UM, AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON POPULATION OF THE BENEFICIARIES.

SO IT'S 5% TO 20%.

70,000 GOES ON TOP ON TOP.

SHAWNA, THE NUMBER THAT'S HERE AND THE NUMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT MY OFFICE THAT DAY WAS 350,000 THAT I NOT SAY 350 350.

UM, IF I APOLOGIZE, IF I MISSPOKE YES, $350,000 GRANT WITH A, UP TO FIVE TO 20%, WHICH WOULD BE 70,000,

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SO IT ADDS TO IT AS WELL.

UM, WHAT RAY LYNN IS NEEDING APPROVAL ON IS TO GO OUT, UH, FOR THEIR SOLICIT FOR, UH, ENGINEERS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY ONCE AN ENGINEER IS HIRED, WE WOULD DO A PROJECT SCOPE MEETING, UM, AND HE WOULD HELP, BUT HE OR SHE WOULD HELP US, UM, DECIDE ON THE BEST PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE BANG FOR THE BUCK, BASICALLY THE BEST PROJECT BEING A WORTHY PROJECT, MOST LIKELY TO GET FUNDED.

CORRECT.

UM, SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE THINKING WHAT IS NEEDED IN THEIR PRECINCT THAT WOULD MEET THESE CRITERIA'S, UM, AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF COME TOGETHER ONCE THE ENGINEER'S HIRED AND DECIDE, UM, THE BEST PROJECT THAT WOULD BE FUNDED.

IS THERE JUST ONE PROJECT FOR COUNTY? YES, IT IS.

AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE ROUGHLY, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME? IT DOES, IT WILL TAKE DOOR TO DOOR SURVEYS AND IT IS BY COUNTY.

THERE IS A, UM, PREDETERMINED SHEET THAT HUD PUTS OUT, UM, THAT HAS BASICALLY RANKINGS OF, IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD SAY IS A FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD, UM, THERE'S A FOUR LINES THAT, YOU KNOW, DOES YOUR INCOME MEET WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SET OF, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO THINK OF? I'M SORRY, DOLLAR AMOUNT OR, YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLD INCOME, UM, FOR THAT FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD AND BASICALLY THE BOTTOM TWO ARE YOUR LOW TO MODERATE.

AND I APOLOGIZE.

I DID NOT PRE-PRINT THAT OFF.

I SHOULD HAVE.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS TO DETERMINE YES, WE ARE IN THE, I THINK IF I REMEMBER THIS, RIGHT, UH, WE'RE IN THE WE'RE LUMPED IN, WHEN WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, WE'RE LUMPED IN WITH THE METROPLEX.

ISN'T THAT TRUE? UM, IT IS BY COUNTY.

SO I DON'T THINK SO NOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY IT'S ALWAYS AFFECTED OUR LOAD.

IT REALLY RAISES A LOAD.

IT RAISES THE, HOW MUCH SOMEBODY CAN MAKE AND STILL BEING CONSIDERED LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.

UH, AND, AND THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU ARE SO CLOSE.

UM, I JUST ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE APPLIED FOR ONE OF THESE GRANTS LAST YEAR, I THINK, AND IN 19 IN WHAT I, WE HAD EVERY EXPECTATION WOULD MEET THE INCOME REQUIREMENTS AND THEY WERE ABOVE IT.

GOTCHA.

SO I THINK IT'D BE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A, A BALLPARK AND TRYING TO BE LESS INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET.

UM, A LOT OF IT, LIKE SHE SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A TARGET AREA INCOME SURVEY.

SO A LOT OF THAT WILL BE REVEALED THE NUMBERS AREN'T SUPER ACCURATE TO PLUS WE'RE GOING OFF THE 2010 CENSUS DATA.

SO WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A NEW CENSUS THAT COMES OUT.

SO THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL GOING TO GET UPDATED AS WELL, BUT THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THOSE TARGET AREA INCOME SURVEYS.

BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY HAD THE LMI PERCENTAGE THAT WE HAVE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PERCENTAGE THAT WE HAVE MIGHT NOT BE ACCURATE ANYMORE.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TARGET AREA THAT YOU'LL WANT TO DO YOUR PROJECT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY FIND WHAT THE TRUE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.

AND THOSE SURVEYS DO TAKE TIME.

SO THAT THE SOONER WE TRY TO GET A PROJECT UNDERWAY, THE BETTER I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND THIS MIGHT REALLY BE A LEGAL QUESTION, KAREN, UH, SOME OF THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOMES THAT I THINK MIGHT BE A VIABLE IN MY PRECINCT REALLY INVOLVE PRIVATE ROADS THAT ARE IN SERIOUS NEED OF ASSISTANCE.

SO DOES GRANT MONEY HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS COUNTY MONEY? IT, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNERSHIP OR EASEMENTS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT OF THAT ROAD.

YOU HAVE TO OWN IT.

IT HAS TO BE A COUNTY ROAD.

SHE GOT YOU OFF THE HOOK.

KAREN IT'S A GRANT REQUIREMENT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HAS REALLY BEEN GEARED TO A LOT OF THE INCORPORATED AREAS IN OUR COUNTY THAT ARE INCORPORATED CITIES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE FROM TAX DOLLARS OR NOT VERY MUCH, BUT ALL OF MINE THAT THEY NEED HELP, THEY DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE OF THE INCOME STATUS.

SO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT MAYBE INCORPORATED OUR APPLICATION.

WE DID, WE DID THIS SAME GRANT APPLICATION IN WHAT WE HAD.

EVERY EXPECTATION WAS GOING TO BE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DOOR TO DOOR, INCOME SURVEYS ONLY TO BE TURNED DOWN BECAUSE, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD, SO, OKAY.

SO WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE FOCUSED THIS TIME.

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AVERAGE ON THE WHOLE AREA, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT JUST, THAT IS CORRECT.

IT IS A, UM, IT IS WHOEVER BENEFITS AND IT'S SAY IT'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE, 51% OF THOSE 1000 PEOPLE HAVE TO BE THE LOAD.

FINE.

IT'S NOT THE WHOLE COUNTY IT'S SO YOU COULD HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE ON THIS THING, BUT YOU WERE STANDING RIGHT THERE.

IT'S PERCENTAGE-BASED BUT IT'S PEOPLE NOT HOW SOMEHOW .

YES, IT IS.

HOW SO? HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS? OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU MY HOMEWORK.

MA'AM YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'LL PRAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AND I WILL, UM, I'LL GET WITH RAELYNN AND GET YOU THAT, UM, INCOME DATA SHEET SO SHE CAN GET, GET IT TO YOU GUYS.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

BUT FIRST THING TO DO IS TO, UH, UH, AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITATION OF RFQ 20 D 21 DASH OH FOUR.

UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO DO THAT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER CAGE TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO PURSUE TO SOLICIT RFQ 2104 IS OUR SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO Y'ALL.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MERCHANT AGREEMENT IN PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND ALL PAID INC FROM COUNTY WIDE, ELECTRONIC PAYMENT PROCESSING OPTIONS.

RAYLAND

[8. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approval of Merchant Agreement and Participation Agreement between Kaufman County and AHPaid, Inc. for county-wide electronic payment processing options, upon final negotiations and Legal Department approval of submitted agreements, utilizing North Texas SHARE Purchasing Cooperative.]

OOPS.

READ THE LAST OF IT UPON FINAL NEGOTIATIONS AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF SUBMITTED AGREEMENTS UTILIZING THE NORTH TEXAS SHARE PURCHASING CO-OP.

UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS IS BASED UPON COMMISSIONER'S COURT ORDER FROM A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE WE WANTED TO, INSTEAD OF TAKING THE CREDIT CARD, UH, EXPENSES TO THE CUSTOMER, WE WANTED TO DO AN ABSORB FEE WITH THE COUNTY AND IN DOING SO WE HAD TO GO OUT AND FIND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CREDIT CARD, UH, MERCHANT AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND PUT THEM ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.

AND IT ACTUALLY GIVES US A REALLY GOOD NEGOTIATING POWER BECAUSE NOW WE ALL FALL UNDER THE REVENUE OF THE TAX OFFICE.

AND SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP US ON THE COURT SIDE TO GET THOSE RATES DOWN, UM, MOVING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS UNDER ONE MERCHANT AGREEMENT.

UM, AS FAR AS IN THIS, THIS HAS JUST COME UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

UM, I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU TABLE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BECAUSE, UM, I HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED WITH OUR OTHER CURRENT CREDIT CARD COMPANY.

UM, AND THEY ARE ALSO WANTING TO DEFINITELY RENEGOTIATE THEIR, UH, INTEREST RATE.

WHERE YOU WOULD GO TO AN ABSORBED FEE SO THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MADE THAT MOTION TO WHERE THE COUNTY WOULD PAY THE RATE RATHER THAN THE CUSTOMER.

AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN ALSO DOING THE INTEGRATION FOR US WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE REALLY WANTING TO PURSUE.

UM, SO THIS IS OPENING UP A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN WHAT THE DIFFERENT MERCHANTS CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE TO US.

UM, WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRATION WITH OUR ACTUAL SOFTWARE AND HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY INTO US, MOVING OVER TO OPENGOV AND, UM, ALSO ODYSSEY GOING TO WHAT IS NOW GOING TO BE NAVIGATOR IN JANUARY.

SO IN THE PAST 48 HOURS, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF IT INFORMATION THAT'S COMING TOGETHER THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE, UM, CREDIT CARD PROCESSING AS A WHOLE.

SO, UM, I JUST, I WANTED TO, I'M GLAD THAT THIS IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I WANTED TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED.

THE DEPARTMENTS ARE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE INTEGRATION WITH THE, UM, THE FINES AND HAVING, UM, OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE ACCESS TO THIS.

OBVIOUSLY OUR CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO BE VERY EXCITED WHENEVER WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE SO THAT THOSE FEES ARE ELIMINATED FROM THEM USING THEIR CREDIT CARDS.

UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL, UH, A FEW WEEKS AWAY FROM MAKING ANY FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AS FAR AS THE MERCHANTS AND HOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD,

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AND OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT ONE AND A HALF PERCENT.

I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE OLDER MEMBERS HERE SITTING UP HERE MIGHT REMEMBER THE OLD DAYS, WHEN, IF YOU WENT AND BOUGHT SOMETHING AT A STORE, YOU HAD TWO PRICES YOU COULD PAY.

IF YOU PAID FOR A CREDIT CARD, YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE.

YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT ALREADY TERM.

AND, UH, AND, UH, AND, AND TODAY I THINK MOST OF US WOULD BE, WOULD BE PRETTY AGGRAVATED IF WE ENCOUNTERED, IF WHATEVER WE'RE PURCHASING, IF WE HAD TO PAY AN EXTRA ONE AND A HALF PERCENT.

SO, UH, TH TH THE OTHER THING, IF YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH A LOT IN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY IN THE TAX OFFICE IS WE HAVE SO MUCH, SO MANY PEOPLE PAYING BY MAIL.

AND I THINK THIS PAVES THE WAY FOR PEOPLE TO NEVER EVEN HAVE TO COME HERE OR NEVER HAVE TO MAIL A PAYMENT, UH, THE MONEY HITS OUR ACCOUNT INSTANTLY.

NOBODY HAS TO ENDORSE A CHECK.

NOBODY HAS TO FILL OUT A DEPOSIT SLIP.

NOBODY HAS TO TAKE IT TO THE BANK.

UH, THERE'S NO RISK OF, UH, THERE'S NO OF A CHECK, UH, BOUNCING.

UM, SO, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN DISCOVER THIS SOMEDAY.

I THINK THAT THIS MIGHT PUT US IN A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF COUNTIES AND EVEN CITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS, WE WOULD ONLY BE THE THIRD COUNTY ON ONE SIDE OF THE MERCHANT NEGOTIATIONS, AND ONLY THE SECOND COUNTY ON THE OTHER THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING THIS.

UM, WE ALSO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT DOING A HUGE MARKETING CAMPAIGN, UM, AND REALLY PUSHING THE ONLINE PAYMENT SERVICES AND SETTING UP KIOSK AT ALL OF OUR LOCATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT EVEN JUST THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, WALKING THROUGH THE HALLWAYS, YOU KNOW, IF THE LINES WERE LONG IN THE TAX OFFICE, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF COMPUTERS SET UP, THERE'S NO REASON WHY ANYONE COULDN'T STEP BEHIND AND SHOW PEOPLE HOW TO PAY ONLINE.

IF THEY WERE PAYING WITH CREDIT CARD AND SETTING UP A FEW KIOSK AT THE LIBRARY AND BEING ABLE TO, UM, REALLY PUSH THAT INFORMATION OUT AND IF IT WAS INTEGRATED AND WHEN THEY LOGGED IN, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO CALL IN AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH THEY OWE FOR THE TICKET.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS WHEN THEY LOG IN IT STILL DOESN'T SHOW THEM WHAT THEY OWE.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE REAL PUSH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING OUR CUSTOMERS REAL TIME INFORMATION.

ONE OF THE GREAT, AND ONE OF THE OTHER REALLY GREAT FEATURES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT I THINK IT COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO A LOT OF OUR MAYBE LESS TECHNICAL, TECHNICALLY SAVVY CUSTOMERS.

THEY CAN CALL ON THE PHONE AND PAY ON THE PHONE.

SOMEBODY WILL ANSWER THE PHONE, NOT ONE OF US, BUT WE, THAT THIS CREDIT CARD PROVIDER WILL ANSWER THE PHONE AND TELL THEM WHAT, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY OWE ON A PARTICULAR THING.

AND THEY'LL TAKE THEIR CREDIT CARD PAYMENT OVER THE PHONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A GREAT SERVICE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

I GOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

FOR THE TAX OFFICE THAT COLLECTS PROPERTY TEXTS FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS AND PAYS THAT BILL, NOT ALL THAT MONEY IS OURS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THAT FEE FOR IT.

WE'RE REQUIRED.

DO YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE WE COLLECT TAXES FOR? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PAY ALL OF OUR COSTS, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE.

THEN THOSE FEES WOULD HAVE TO BE RECENT.

NINE, DISCUSS CONSIDER PERMISSION TO SOLICIT GALLAGHER CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT CONDITIONS IN CSP PACKAGE, SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE 2019 COUNTY BOND PROGRAM CONSTRUCTION OF THE JUSTICE CENTER IN THE KAUFMAN COUNTY PET ADOPTION CENTER.

AND WE ARE NO LONGER SENDING ON A GROSS CHECK.

WE'RE DONE.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO SET UP A SEPARATE PLC FOR THOSE, UM, GEORGES FOR THOSE CHARGES.

AND SO THEY CAN GO INTO A PENDING CAUSE I DID ASK THAT QUESTION AND THEN WE COULD GO IN THERE AND, UM, ASSIGN THOSE PLCS TO THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS SO WE CAN BREAK THOSE DOWN BEFORE THEY EVEN GO THROUGH.

GOOD QUESTION.

PUT THAT ON.

WE CAN PUT THAT ON MANUAL.

YEAH, WE CAN PUT THAT ON MANUAL.

SO, UH, THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT RACHEL IS ASKING US TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE OF THE BREAKING NEWS IN THE LAST 48 HOURS, THERE'S A LOT LEFT TO DO, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

THANKS FOR BEING IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

WHEN THE 21ST CENTURY WE'RE GETTING MAYBE THE 20TH, WE'RE GETTING THERE, WE'RE GETTING IN THE 21ST CENTURY, ALTHOUGH I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE'RE IN THE 21ST CENTURY

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WHEN IT'S 2020.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? IF NO, IF NOT, WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM EIGHT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THE TABLE.

THE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MOTIONS TO TABLE ITEM EIGHT.

IS THERE A SECOND OR A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES ARE NOT BRING THAT BACK.

RAELYNN WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

ITEM

[9. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider permission to solicit Gallagher Construction contract conditions and CSP Package Scope of Work (2019 Kaufman County Bond Program - Construction of the Justice Center and Kaufman County Pet Adoption Center)]

SO THERE IS NO ATTACHMENT IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS.

UM, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO SOLICIT THIS BID PACKAGE AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE.

UM, AND I WILL DEFINITELY SHARE WITH YOU THE LEGAL POSTING THAT WILL GO OUT AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE WEBSITE AND, UM, ALL OF THE BID DOCUMENTS.

WE HAD THE BID DOCUMENTS FROM BOTH HOK IN QUORUM, FORWARDED TO GALLAGHER ON FRIDAY AND MONDAY.

SO GALLAGHER IS PUTTING TOGETHER ALL OF THE BID DOCUMENTS.

UH, WE HAD CIVIL PLANS APPROVED LAST NIGHT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PET ADOPTION CENTER.

CIVIL PLANS HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.

UM, SO BOTH ENTITIES HAVE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE TEXAS ASSESSABILITY STANDARDS PERMIT.

AND WE ARE LITERALLY DAYS AWAY FROM GOING LIVE WITH THE BIDDING PACKAGE.

SO AS SOON AS THAT PACKAGE IS READY, THEY WILL BE USING OUR STANDARD BID DOCUMENTS.

UM, BUT THE ONLY THING THEY WILL BE INSERTING ARE THE SPECIFICATIONS FROM, UM, OUR ARCHITECTS.

SO WHAT'S, YOU'RE ASKING FOR US SHOULD JUST GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO SOLICITATION WHEN EVERYTHING'S WRITTEN SOUNDS LIKE THE FASTEST WAY TO DO IT.

UH, BUSIER QUESTIONS.

NO IT'S SIR.

OR A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING AGENT TO SOLICIT THAT CONSTRUCTION, THOSE CONDITIONS AND LIKE CONTRACT, LIKE SHE, UH, JUST BRIEFED US ON I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT

[10. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider permission to cancel solicitation and reject responses received for RFP 21-02: Commercial Real Estate Services.]

ITEM.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER PERMISSION TO CANCEL SOLICITATION AND REJECT RESPONSES RECEIVED FOR RFP 2102 COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SERVICES.

THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE.

WE RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS AND INQUIRIES REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SERVICES RFP.

UM, I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE REQUEST.

WE DID HOST, UM, THE Q AND A AND THE ONE RESPONSE THAT WE DID GET THIS INDIVIDUAL DID, UM, ATTEND THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE.

UH, DO YOU WANT TO NOTE THAT THE RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED WAS RECEIVED IN AN UNSEALED ENVELOPE, UM, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT? UM, HOWEVER, WE DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, AND DEPENDING ON THE TOPS OF SERVICES THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, WE COULD JUST MONITOR THE THRESHOLD FOR BIDDING.

UM, ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HOK WHO IS PUTTING STILL PUTTING TOGETHER NOTES OF WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER ON THIS RFP.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, WE REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE POPULATION INFORMATION.

WE NEED TO KNOW.

UM, WE NEED TO KNOW THE REAL ESTATE MARKET FOR SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES AND THAT WE CAN REQUEST OF A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

SO THERE ARE SOME PIECES OF THE RFP THAT WE CAN BREAK DOWN AND REQUEST AGENTS TO DO FOR US, UM, AND MEET WITH THEM.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE DO NOT DO A CONTRACT BASED ON THIS RFP.

WE CAN SHOW THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, AND THEN BEGIN WORKING THROUGH JUST WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE WANTING ON OUR PROPERTIES.

SO HOW MANY, YOU ONLY GOT ONE BID ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID.

THAT WAS THE ISSUE.

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AND THEN JUST THE INQUIRIES THAT WE GOT IN THE OFFICE.

YOU HAD A LOT OF AGENTS AND BROKERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, HOWEVER, UM, IT'S JUST NOT HOW THEY GENERALLY WORK.

YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY WANT TO COME IN AND SIT DOWN AND TALK TO WHETHER IT BE A COMMITTEE THAT'S FORMED, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY THINK OF YOUR SITUATION.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SELL YOU ON THEIR SERVICES, UM, RATHER THAN THE RFP PROCESS.

SO, AND THAT'S JUST, THEY JUST DON'T WORK THE WAY WE KIND OF GET THEM TO WORK WELL, THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE TOO, SO DON'T REALLY HAVE TO.

EXACTLY.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF BRINGING IN.

SO, UH, WHAT ALL, ALL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE IS JUST TO CANCEL THE SOLICITATION AND RIDDICK, REJECT ALL RESPONSES.

UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO DO THAT OVER BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GO BEFORE WITH THAT? UH, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE LOGIC AND DON'T DON'T DISPUTE ANY OF THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOSE TRACK OF THE, THE INITIATIVE THAT WE NEED TO, UH, IF WE NEED TO FOLLOW, UH, RAYLAND SUGGESTION THAT WE FORM A COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE US FORGE AHEAD.

UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE, UH, THE TIMEFRAMES THAT, THAT I THINK ARE APPROACHING.

SO, UM, WHEN DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN? UM, I COULD PUT TOGETHER SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THE 29TH MEETING.

THAT WORKS.

PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULE IF, I MEAN, IN SOME SENSES, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY REALLY WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, SO IF YOU WANTED TO SET UP A WORKSHOP AND WHOEVER WANTS TO COME AND DISCUSS IT WITH, WE CAN GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEIR WORK TENDS TO BE SPECIFIC TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO LIST IT FOR YOU OR THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO REPRESENT THE BUYER, THE SELLER.

AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE NEED THAT SERVICE, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST SAY, LET'S BRING SOMEBODY IN MECHANISM IS I'M I'M BEHIND IT.

I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS THING LANGUAGE WE NEED TO STRIKE.

IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE PROCESS.

I MEAN, TO ME, I MEAN, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU HIRE A REAL ESTATE AND THEN THE GUY OR THE GIRL, OR WHOEVER WHO IT IS, COMES IN AND TRIES TO CONVINCE YOU, THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT FOR MORE THAN THE OTHER PERSON.

WELL, WHO YOU BELIEVE THAT LET'S LEAVE IT WITH RAELYNN AND TOOK OUR NEXT MEETING WITH 29.

WE'LL HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE 29TH OF HOW I MIGHT SUGGEST WE MOVE FORWARD AND THEN I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE A GOOD BREAKDOWN COURSE.

REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR PROPERTIES ARE WORTH.

I MEAN, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF LIST OF PROPERTIES.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH.

WE JUST NEED TO PROFESSIONAL TELL US SO WE CAN MAKE LONG-TERM DECISIONS.

NOT THAT ANYTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW, ANYTHING GOING TO BE SO NOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS JUST SO WE CAN PUT NUMBERS WITH A PLAN, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO INCREASE THEIR VALUE.

IF SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS.

THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ASK WHOEVER THIS REAL ESTATE PERSON IS, AND THIS WOULD COME AFTER, WE FINALLY GET THE RESULTS BACK FROM HOK ON THE, ON THEIR FACILITIES STUDY.

LIKE IF, IF HOK SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNTY IS GOING TO NEED ANOTHER 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE IN FIVE YEARS, AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER TASK MAYBE TO GIVE THEM, MAYBE GET THEM TO START LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DO IN THE SCHOOL WORLD WHERE THEY GO OUT AND ACQUIRE A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR A FUTURE, A FUTURE.

THEY DON'T TELL ANYBODY THAT, OH, I KNOW WHAT THE PRICE GOES UP WHEN THEY START ASKING.

EXACTLY.

INVITE PEOPLE IN AND TALK TO THEM AND GET THEM TO SIGN A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF YOU, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE NEED SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE PRICE OF ANYTHING AND THE PRICE IS GOING TO CHANGE REAL ESTATE MARKET.

AND THAT'S ONE REASON NONE OF THEM WANT TO BID ON IT BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW THAT.

SO MAYBE IN OUR RANGE OF PLANNING, MAYBE WE JUST DECIDE AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

THEN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS NOW LET'S

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AND WE ARE IN, I THINK, A UNIQUE POSITION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, STARTED AND OUR PROPERTY, AT LEAST SOME OF OUR PROPERTY ADJOINS THAT DEVELOPMENT.

SO I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE IN A MINDSET THAT WE'LL WAIT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

AND WE'LL THE PROPERTY APPRECIATE TALKING ABOUT IF WE WERE LIKE LOOKING AT IT IF A FIVE.

SO IF WE DEVELOP THIS IDEA THAT WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A SPACE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE, WHERE WOULD A GOOD LOCATION FOR THAT SAID THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, RIGHT.

I'M RIGHT ON BOARD WITH SHORT NOTICE, THEY'RE ON THAT.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER NEEDS THAT THIS COUNTY REALLY OUGHT TO CONSIDER IN THE FACILITIES SLASH REAL ESTATE MARKET.

AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE ATMOSPHERICS THAT EXIST, PARTICULARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWN AROUND THE POOR FARM, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE AMENABLE AT LEAST TO MAKING SOME, SOME RELATIVELY NEAR TERM DECISIONS.

I THINK WORKSHOPPING IT AND FINDING YOU, SOMEBODY THAT CAN ACTUALLY REALLY WORK FOR YOU AND KEEP THE COUNTY'S INTERESTS WAY TO GO.

SOUNDS GOOD.

SO WE'LL HEAR THAT BACK ON THE 29TH AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL DEVELOP A PLAN OUT OF THAT MEETING.

12, DISCUSS, CONSIDER BOND ISSUANCE.

UH, SO, UH, I, I GUESS I NEED A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO CANCEL THAT SOLICITATION AND REJECT RESPONSES.

SO MOVED.

WE HAD THAT MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER IN CASES OR A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I SUPPOSE, NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT ITEM

[11. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of Road Construction Contract and Associated Funding for Pet. 4 County Road and Bridge Projects in the amount of $25,186.00.]

DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AND ASSOCIATED FUNDING FOR PRECINCT FOUR COUNTY ROAD AND BRIDGE PROJECTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,186.

THIS IS A PRE-FUNDING FROM ITS.

THESE WERE A COUPLE OF INVOICES ORIGINALLY PAID FOR OUT OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.

AND, UM, THESE ARE LISTED COUNTY ROADS ON REGULAR BOND PROGRAMS. SO WE WILL FUND THEM OUT AT THE, UM, BOND LINE ITEMS. QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION AS WRITTEN.

WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER KATE'S TO APPROVE THAT ROAD.

CONTRITION CONTRACTORS ARE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

[12. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider Bond Issuance.]

UH, I JUST BROUGHT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA.

UH, I WOULD JUST NEED TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION ALIVE AND, UH, INTRODUCING ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS, BUT WE'RE NOT MEETING OUR, I'M NOT MEETING WITH POSTER UNTIL TOMORROW.

UH, I JUST LIKE TO SAY IN GENERAL, I THINK I SAID THIS BEFORE AND I, I HAD MY MEETING WITH POLLSTER AND I VERBALIZED THIS, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION.

UH, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO DECLINE IN THE FUTURE.

I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY.

AND, UM, WHILE WE HAD ALWAYS INTENDED TO ISSUE THESE BONDS, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SIX YEARS OR SO, THE REALITY IS I THINK, UH, COUNTY ROAD COUNTY ROAD EXPECTATIONS ARE, ARE REAL.

THE CITIZENS WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN GET THAT DONE.

AND, UH, SO I, I, I JUST, UH, SUPPORT THE CONCEPT THAT WE ISSUE THE BONDS NOW AT THIS RECORD, LOW INTEREST RATES.

AND WE HAVE 36 MONTHS AT LEAST IF NOT LONGER, TO, TO BASICALLY ISSUE POS TO, TO OBLIGATE THAT MONEY.

AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY PROBLEM AMONGST OURSELVES DECIDING, UH, HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE AND HOW THAT MONEY WILL BE ALLOCATED.

UH, AND I THINK WE, UH, REALLY STAND TO SUBSTANTIALLY BENEFIT IF WE CAN AGREE TO, TO, UM, OFFER THESE BIDS AS A LUMP SUM IN A MUCH GREATER, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT, AS OPPOSED TO 5 MILLION HERE AND 6 MILLION OVER THERE, UH, 20 OR $25 MILLION, UH, OFFERING FOR A FORBIDDING, I THINK IS GOING TO ATTRACT A LOT MORE ATTENTION AND, UH, AND GET US MORE THAN A MINIMAL NUMBER OF BIDDERS.

SO I'D REALLY JUST, I CAN TELL YOU THAT NOW THAT'S DOING ALL THE WORK FOR THE COUNTY, RIGHT? SO, AND SO YOU TOTAL ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, THEIR DOLLAR AMOUNT.

THEY GAVE US A BID FOR

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THE WHOLE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

SO REALLY BID IT.

THEY ALREADY HAD THE, THEY ALREADY HAD THE CONTRACT.

WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A BID, SO THEY HAD THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS AND THAT'S WHO WE WENT WITH BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAD.

BUT, UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ALSO THERE'S STILL, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S MON MONEY, NOT YET SPENT ON SOME OF THE LISTED PROJECTS.

AND THEN IF WE LUMP IN AN ADDITIONAL 20 MILLION OR SO 18 TO 20 MILLION, I THINK WE'D BE IN A REALLY STRONG BIDDING POSITION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AUDITOR SAID, JUST TO KIND OF REMIND EVERYBODY THE WAY THIS WOULD WORK.

AND I KIND OF LOST TRACK OF IT.

IF WE, IF WE DO ISSUE, LET'S SAY $20 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION BONDS, THAT MONEY GOES INTO THE BOND FUND.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ALLOCATED, UH, WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED THE BOND MONEY.

WE HAVE A LIST OF 74 PROJECTS AND THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALL THE HEADLINE PROJECTS.

AND SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, BUT WE DON'T, BUT THAT MONEY CAN, CAN STAY IN THAT ACCOUNT, UH, THAT MONEY CAN STAY IN THAT ACCOUNT UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE READY TO, TO ALLOCATE IT OR SPEND IT RIGHT.

THE BIGGEST THING, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS OVER IT, GET WAY OVER DALLAS ON GETTING THE MONEY.

AND THEN AT THE RAISE RATES AND A LITTLE BIT OF RECESSION, THEY HAPPENED OR SOMETHING, AND WE HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE IT WITHIN THREE YEARS.

ONCE YOU'VE SET IT IN MOTION.

SO WAY JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT.

WELL, IN HILLTOP, RIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, I SLEPT RIGHT, EXACTLY.

BUT THAT'S MY FEAR NOW MUST MOVE.

IT MIGHT BE IGNORANCE.

OR IT'S JUST THAT I AM VERY TAT WITH MY MONEY.

SO, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S LITERALLY FREE MONEY, LOW INTEREST RATES, BUT IT'S STILL A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO, OH YEAH.

IT'S NOT 20 MILLION, BUT YOU'LL HAVE IT.

YEAH, I KNOW.

BUT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S STILL, WE STILL OVER THE $20 MILLION, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE, WE'RE PAYING LOW INTEREST ON IT AND, AND WE HAVE OTHER DEBT WE'VE ALREADY HAVE THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED FOR.

WELL, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ALSO NEED TO, I THINK, UH, AS PART OF THIS, WE ALSO OUGHT TO EXAMINE, UH, ANY POTENTIAL TO REFINANCE EXISTING IS ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT.

WE'RE NOT THERE.

WE BORROWED THAT MONEY TO CHEAT.

BUT THIS IS JUST, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT GOING MORE IN DEBT.

AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED PAYING ON THE DEBT WE HAVE NOW.

SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, OBLIGATED FUNDS, YOU JUST GOT TO BALANCE IT AGAINST WHAT THE INTEREST YOU'LL PAY IN, IN TWO OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

AND WE COMMITTED TO DO THOSE 74.

I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU KEEP SAYING THAT WE'VE, I KNOW WE'VE COMMITTED, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT.

IT MIGHT COST US A LITTLE MORE SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S MY BIG FEAR IS KNOW WE'VE COMMITTED AS LONG AS TO RECOVER.

THERE'S NOT SOMETHING.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

YOU KNOW, IF INTEREST RATES GO UP TO SIX OR 7% IN TWO YEARS, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THOSE PROJECTS, BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO RECESSION AND STUFF AND EVERYTHING, CAUSE I MEAN, WHEN THE EIGHTIES, WHEN EVERYTHING STOPPED, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THING IS I CAN'T ASK, UH, IF WE DID MARK, WHEN HE MADE IN SOMETHING DRESSED TO CAPTAINS IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY THAT MONEY BACK, LOOK AT THE COST.

THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD IT JUSTICE CENTER FOR A BLESSING TO ME THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND IT DIDN'T PASS.

AND LOOK WHAT IT'S COSTING.

NOW.

THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE ESCALATION.

NO, WE'RE NOT ARGUING.

WE'RE JUST SAYING, WE'RE JUST BEING CAREFUL.

I GUESS I'M GLAD I'M SITTING DOWN, RIGHT.

OH, I AGREE.

I THINK THAT LOOK AT IT YESTERDAY.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A RAPIDLY GROWING COUNTY.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T STAY AHEAD.

YOU CAN'T STAY AHEAD OF WHAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH YOUR CASHFLOW.

YOU CAN'T DO IT.

NO IMPOSSIBLE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ASKED FOR ENOUGH ON THE BOND ISSUE.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT ASKING FOR THE SMALL AMOUNT.

UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT NOT ASKING FOR ENOUGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WELL, WE HAVE THE INTEREST LOW AND WE CAN AFFORD IT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ENOUGH.

WELL, HOPEFULLY WE'LL, UH, HAVE A RESOLUTION TO THIS ON THE 29TH.

UM, THE, UM, SO I'LL PUT THAT ON FOR DISCUSSING CONSIDER.

AND IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION COMING ON, ITEM 12, THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE ON.

MOVING ON THEN TO ITEM 13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPOINTING BOARD TO THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS.

[13. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider appointing Board Member to the North Central Texas Emergency Communications District (NCT9-1-1).]

I SERVE ON THE NORTH, TEXAS, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT, BOARD OF GOVERNORS.

THERE'S TWO BOARDS.

ONE OF THEM IS OPERATIONS

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AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MONEY.

UM, SO MY, I WAS APPOINTED FOR ONE YEAR NOW WE'RE ON A TWO YEAR TERM.

SO I WAS AT, I WOULD ASK THE I'M THE SECRETARY OF THAT BOARD RIGHT NOW.

AND I GUESS I WOULD CONTINUE IN THAT IF NOBODY ELSE IS ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN TAKING THAT JOB? WELL, THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT YOU RIGHT BACK.

BEING THE SECRETARY.

WELL, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

SO YOU JUST GOT THE SECRETARY.

NEXT ITEM, UH, SOME OR ANOTHER WE'VE MISCONNECTED I GUESS, WITH KAUFMAN ON THIS, WE NEVER DID APPOINT BOARD MEMBERS TO BACK COFFMAN TERS NUMBER TWO IN A THEY'RE ASKING US TO GET THAT DONE.

SO, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO APPOINT ME TO THAT BOARD IS HER SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

AND

[14. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider approving resolution appointing county representatives to Kaufman County, Kaufman TIRZ #2.]

SO WE DID THAT MEETING LAST NIGHT, SIR.

THEY ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT.

OH.

SO WE NEED TO GET OUR REPRESENTATIONS SPOOLED UP.

UH, WHO, WHO WANTS TO SERVE ON KAUFMAN CITY? A CARPENTER'S NUMBER TWO BOARD.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SINCE IT'S MY PRECINCT.

SURE.

MAKES SENSE.

GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT I BE PUT ON THERE AND, UM, KEN KATES, IF HE'S WILLING TO DO IT SINCE HE'S IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, HAPPY TO DO IT.