* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S [Call to Order] COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER. TODAY IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 9TH, 2021. IT'S NINE O'CLOCK AND WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM. WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TODAY WITH ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. UH, WE'LL START OFF OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY. UH, WE'LL ASK OUR PASTOR TO GIVE US AN INVOCATION AND THEN COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGES. PLEASE STAND. GIVE ME GOOD MORNING, LORD FATHER. WE THANK YOU LORD THAT YOU'RE HERE TO LEAD US AND GUIDE US AND DIRECT US THROUGHOUT THE WAYS OF OUR PATHWAYS. TODAY, FATHER, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON OUR COUNTY, OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, FATHER, FATHER. WE PRAY OVER THE CORONA VIRUS. WE ASK THAT YOU TAKE IT AWAY AND JUST DO AWAY WITH IT RIGHT NOW WITHIN OUR COUNTY SO THAT WE CAN GET TO DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. LORD FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE, YOUR MERCY AND GRACE AND LORD. WE SURRENDER ALL WE HAVE UNTIL YOU LAID IT FULL LACROSSE IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. OH MAN, I'LL PLAY TO THE FLAG STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS ONE STATE ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. AGAIN. THIS WOULD BE THE TIME WHEN WE WOULD NORMALLY HEAR FROM VISITORS. UH, NOW I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY CARDS TODAY, SO I DON'T SUPPOSE WE HAVE ANYBODY WANTING TO COME IN OR JUST THE COURT. UH, NEXT ITEM IS, [1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.] UH, ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE. UH, I DO HAVE AN ITEM. THIS ACTUALLY CAME UP YESTERDAY. YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, RAPIDLY SURPRISED WORLD THAT WE'RE LIVING IN WITH THE CORONAVIRUS. UH, WE GOT A CALL YESTERDAY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SMALL OFFICE HERE IN KAUFMAN, UH, STAFF. DO YOU THINK IT WOULD JUST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND, UH, THE CALL WAS THAT THEY ARE, THEY HAVE A LIST OR THEY'VE CREATED THEIR OWN LIST OF PEOPLE APPLYING, I GUESS, THROUGH THE STATE WEBSITE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THEY GET THEIR LIST, BUT THEY HAVE 500 PEOPLE WHO HAVE REQUESTED WHO'VE BEEN ON THIS LIST AND ASKED TO BE VACCINATED. SO THURSDAY, THE STATE WILL BE IN, WILL BE IN KAUFFMAN. THEY ARE, THEY'VE ARRANGED WITH THE CITY TO USE THE CIVIC CENTER AND THEY'LL BE ADMINISTERING 500 VACCINES. SO SOMEBODY MIGHT NOTICE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ACTIVITY OVER THERE. THEY'D BE ADMINISTER 500 VACCINES AT THE NEW CIVIC CENTER. UM, AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT JUST IN CASE SOME QUESTIONS COMES UP, BUT WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PART IN THIS OR HAVEN'T, WE WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF IT UNTIL YESTERDAY WHEN THE SPRUNG UP, BUT IT'S A GOOD THING THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE GETTING, UH, VACCINES. UM, THE KAUFMAN COUNTY HUB VACCINE SITE, UH, WE HAVE 500 VACCINES, UH, THAT'LL BE DELIVERED PROBABLY TODAY OR TOMORROW. UM, THAT ALL RAN EXTREMELY WELL LAST WEEK. UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE NOT, UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY GREAT IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE CAPACITY THAN WE HAVE VACCINES. THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY VACCINATED FOR THREE DAYS AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY PARTICULARLY BUSY. THEY HAD MORE CAPACITY THAN WHAT THEY HAD PEOPLE TO VACCINATE OR VACCINES TO DELIVER. SO THE SCHEDULE THIS WEEK IS TO OPEN THE, THAT HUB SITE ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UH, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE PLANNING TO DELIVER 200 VACCINES ON FRIDAY, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HOLD OUT AND DELIVER 300 ON SATURDAY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TEST THERE. THEY WANT TO KIND OF STRESSED OR CAPACITY A LITTLE BIT AND SEE HOW THAT WORKFLOW GOES. SO WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS EVERY DAY, ASKING THEM TO GET SOME MORE VACCINES. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE CONTROL WHAT WE CAN AND JUST LIVE WITH WHAT WE CAN. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENTS? OH, LAST PART IS, I'M SORRY. I MISSED THIS IDEA WAS THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO LEADERS AROUND THE COUNTY ABOUT, UM, IF OTHER CITIES, UH, OR OTHER ENTITIES IN THE COUNTY OR INTERESTED IN MAKING APPLICATION AND STANDING UP A HUB SITE, WE'RE OFFERING TO SUPPORT THEM IN DOING THAT. UH, WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF RESOURCES, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY TRAIN THEM AND, AND WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE SEEING THOSE, UH, I KNOW FORNEY ISD HAS APPLIED TO THE STATE TO BECOME A PROVIDER. THEY HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEIR APPLICATION YET, BUT WE [00:05:01] CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. UH, THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD SITE PICKED OUT. SO ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCE OR ANYTHING. OKAY. THEN, UH, WE COME TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, AND I'M GONNA, UH, ON THE SHERIFF'S REQUEST, [A. Discuss/Consider approving Deputations of Michael Chelesdine, Jacob Keierleber, Bobby Gunnels, Collin Corder, Adam Myers, James Weisbrook, Chad Higgins, William Randa) Griffin, Daniel VanHuss, David Ray Adams, Carman Travis Girdley, Rodney Evans, Kenneth Collard, Glen Loper, Paula Renae Mayfield, Theresa Wood, Lori Kay Compton, Jollie Stewart, Kathryn Mansfield, Janet Freeman, George C Shamlm II, Robert L Nichols, James Thornton, Ken R. Grimes, Galen Paul Weir, Benjamin Schoeff, Phillip Stewart, Joseph Austin Cagle, Micah Ross Wiser, Billy Jack Valentine, James L Stroud, Danny Mark Howard, Charles L. Sexton, Mitchel L. Hem pel, Michael Breadon, Justin Guy, Richard C. Moosbrugger, Liliana Valenzuela, Timothy Moore, Brett Tate, Daryl Landrum, Thomas Haller, Trevor Collum, Hudnal Tisdale, William Kennedy, Timothy Lawson, Garett Jones, John Howell, Wayland McMahan, David Yescas, Joshua L. Phillips, David Petty, Jared Jacks, John Dickey, Maximus Cameron Diamond, John Robert Odom, Gary Don Prox, Joshua Thomas, Justin Snow, William Gene McKenzie, Dylan Christopher Roberts, Susan Diane LaRose, Robert Tracy West, Mark Middleton, Kevin Shaw, Justin Kuykendall, Steven Vanlooy, Charles Carr, Orlando Zuniga, Christian Cortez, Conner Martin, Katelyn Moore, Matthew Slater, Patrick Reedy, James Hohenberger, Austin Barber, Wade Bowden, Robert Dominguez, Ashley Richeson, Samuel Corder, Michael W. Carlile, Jon Happel, Brian Andrew Keathley, Robert J. Siegmund, Kenneth W. Baker, George York, Bradley Moody, Jim Vess, Bruce W. January, Tomie Lance Tucker, Joseph Dan Sharp, Gilbert Mitchell, Robert McGee, ] I NEED TO PULL ONE ITEM OFF FOR SURE. UH, WE'D BE ASKED TO APPROVE THE DEPUTIZATION OF THE LIST OF PEOPLE IN CONSENT AGENDA ITEM A, BUT WE NEED TO STRIKE TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE. THEY'RE JUST READING THIS FOR THE RECORD. JAMES L STROUD WILL NOT BE DEPUTIZED AS A PART OF THIS ACTION BECAUSE HE'S NO LONGER THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. HE'S MOVED TO THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE IN PRECINCT THREE AND THEN WAYLAND MACK MEHAN WHERE MEHAN, UH, IS, IS NO LONGER IN THAT POSITION. SO HE WON'T BE DEPUTIZED IN THIS LIST THAT SOPHIE COULD MAKE A NOTE OF THE RECORD THAT WE'VE STRIKING THOSE TWO NAMES OFF OF THIS. SO SINCE I PULLED THAT OFF, UH, WOULD, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE REMAINING NAMES FOR DEPUTIZATION. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WITH EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. IS THERE A SECOND? NO. SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES. AND THEN THE OTHER [E. Discuss/Consider approving Sheriff's Office Monthly Report December and end of year 2020. ] ITEM THAT THE SHERIFF WOULD LIKE TO PULL OFF IN FOR US TO DISCUSS IN SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE, UH, ITEM E WHICH DISCUSSED CONSIDER APPROVING SHERIFF'S MONTHLY REPORT DECEMBER IN END OF YEAR, 2020 SHERIFF. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A FEW THINGS. I KNOW Y'ALL GOT THAT AND I KIND OF BROKE IT A LOT, UH, APART, ESPECIALLY FROM 19 TO 20 WHERE Y'ALL COULD REALLY SEE HOW MUCH THE PERCENTAGE AND THINGS GROWTH. UH, THE ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO DO COMPARISON FROM 19 TO 20 THAT I I'D LIKE TO ENLIGHTEN YOU ON AFTER I'VE DONE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT CRIME DID DECREASE BY 13% OVER THE LAST YEAR. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN BETWEEN KIDNAP AND DEDUCTION, THAT DROPPED QUITE A BIT, UH, ROBBERY DROPPED DOWN, ASSAULTS DROPPED DOWN, UH, BURGLARY AND THEFT ALSO DROPPED DOWN. UH, THE ONLY BIG GAME INPUT THAT WE SEEN WAS, UH, WEAPON VIOLATIONS WERE UP. ANIMAL CRUELTY WAS UP, GAMBLING OFFENSES WERE UP, FROG WAS UP AND MOTOR VEHICLES UP BY 3.9. BUT OVERALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL Y'ALL WAS AWARE THAT CRIME DID DECREASE IN THE COUNTY BY 13%. AND I KNOW WE KIND OF STARTED OFF A LITTLE ROUGH EVERYBODY'S SEEN THAT, BUT, UH, I KNOW WITH THE MURDER RATES UP, BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FILED AND WE HAVE SUSPECTS IN JAIL WITH ALL THAT. SO THAT, THAT IS A GOOD THING. WE HAVE ALL OUR CASES THAT HAS BEEN FILED ON THAT. SO I, WE START OFF, NOBODY LIKES TALKING ABOUT MURDERS, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE PEOPLE IN CUSTODY ON EVERYONE. SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEARANCE RATE AT THIS POINT ON SHERIFF. THE INCREASE IN GAMBLING IS PROBABLY JUST DUE TO ACTIONS, UH, EFFORTS ON YOUR PART ON THE SHERIFF'S FARMERS, PART OF THINGS, INVESTIGATION JONES. YEAH. YES, SIR. WE DID SOME OF THE, UH, A LINER STUFF WHERE PEOPLE WAS PAYING OUT ON THAT. SO THAT, THAT WAS A BIG PART. SOME OF THAT SHERIFF, I SEE YOU HAVE A, YOU DO HAVE A INCREASE IN YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE FOR WE'VE SEEN, UH, WE'VE SEEN A SPIKE IN ILLEGAL DUMPING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE APPRECIATE ANY HELP THAT WE CAN GET FROM THE PUBLIC. IT'S A, IT'S A DRAIN ON RESOURCES IN ADDITION TO JUST THE TRAGEDY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THIS ILLEGAL DUMPING TO GO ON. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO HIM, WHICH I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD. WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE AND, UH, WE'VE KINDA SAT DOWN AND KIND OF REVAMPED A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AND TOLD THEM WHAT WE EXPECT A LITTLE MORE, UH, THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. WE JUST, SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO REDIRECT WHY YOU'RE DOING STUFF. UH, WE ARE ABLE TO GET A COUPLE OF TRUSTEES OUT THAT WE'RE NOW DOING A FEW CLEANUPS. I THINK I'VE SEEN THEM. IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT, BUT AT THIS POINT, SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING ON THAT. SO WE'LL KEEP ANALYZING EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, LOOKING AT IT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD. BUT, UH, I THINK OUR ENVIRONMENTAL GUYS ARE REALLY STEPPING UP TO SOME THINGS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THAT. I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE TWO 74 DEAL. WE'VE THE TIRE DEAL OVER. THERE HAS JUST BEEN A BIG ISSUE, BUT YOU, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN WHAT ALL HAS BEEN THROUGH AND WHERE THEY JUST FILED ANOTHER PART ON THAT BECAUSE THE PARTIES KEEP PASSING AWAY. SO RIGHT. WE'RE KEEPING GOING THROUGH THAT, BUT WE GOT TO GET THAT CLEANED UP TOO. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING JUST TO MENTION FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, UH, UH, I GET A LOT OF, I GET A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, INMATES OUGHT TO BE OUT HELPING CLEAN UP THE ROADS AND, AND, UH, ALWAYS TRY TO REMIND [00:10:01] THEM THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON THAT. UH, COVID CERTAINLY HAS IMPACTED THAT AS WELL. SO, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU CAN THERE AND WE APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. WE'LL KEEP THEM OUT THERE. IF THEY'LL WORK. I LOVE TO HAVE THEM WORKING FOR SURE. ACTUALLY, UM, FERNANDO ROMO, YOUR OFFICER, THE TESTING GUY, HE ALWAYS SEEMS TO ME AN UPDATE. WHAT THEY PICK UP FOR RECORDS AT THE KAUFMAN DEAL IN JUST THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. SO FAR, THEY'VE ALREADY PICKED UP 60.2 CUBIC YARDS THAT, UH, THAT TALLIED UP THE OTHER DAY, WHEN ALL THE EMAILS HE SENDS EVERYTHING AND IT'S EVERYTHING FROM COUCHES TO TRASH, TO IT'S UNREAL, THE PICTURES HE SENDS THAT TRY TO WHAT IT SLOWED IT UP WITH. IT'S MADE, BUT YEAH, KEEP YOUR STAFF KEEP SENDING MINE AND WE'LL KEEP HITTING EVERY ROAD THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. SO, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. OKAY. SO THAT, UH, I GUESS, UH, WE NEED TO HANDLE THAT INDEPENDENTLY AND I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, IT SAYS APPROVE, APPROVE THE SHERIFF'S MONTHLY REPORT, UH, AS PRESENTED THAT, IS THERE A MOTION FOR THAT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. WE HAVE EMOTIONAL COMMISSION BARBERS OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER AND CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES. SO WHAT'S [2. CONSENT AGENDA] REMAINING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM B, C, D F N G. UH, ANY CARE, ANYONE CARE TO PULL ONE OF THOSE OFF, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO WE'LL MOVE. WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER IN CASE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. NO MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. NOW SOME KIND OF FUN STUFF HERE. [3. George Williford; Consideration and Possible action concerning an order authorizing the issuance of "Kaufman County, Texas Unlimited Tax Road Bonds, Series 2021" and enacting provisions incident and related to the issuance of said bonds. ] NEXT UP GEORGE WILFORD CONSIDERATION. IMPOSSIBLE POSSIBLE ACTION. CONCERNING AN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS UNLIMITED TAX ROAD, BOND SERIES 2021 AND ENACTING PROVISIONS INCIDENT IN RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF SAID BONDS. GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIFORD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, JUDGE. UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, AS INDICATED GEORGE WILFORD WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO THE COUNTY, AND, UH, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE YESTERDAY, THE UNDERWRITING GROUP OR A SYNDICATE THAT HAD BEEN SELECTED ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND MARKETED THE TWO BOND ISSUES, UH, FOR THE COUNTY AND, UH, CONDITIONS WERE VERY GOOD. SO WHAT I HAVE, UH, BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR BOTH THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS IS SUMMARY OF THE SELL RESULTS. AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE FRONT COVER AND I'LL GET INTO THE AMOUNTS IN A MINUTE SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF RECONCILE WITH WHAT PROCEEDS YOU WERE OR ARE EXPECTING AND WILL RECEIVE AND SO ON. BUT YOU'LL NOTE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE COUNTY RETAINED THE WRITINGS OF AA FROM FITCH AND AA MINUS FROM S AND P. THOSE ARE BOTH VERY GOOD WRITINGS. AND OF COURSE IN THIS DAY AND TIME, A LOT OF THEIR QUESTIONS ARE REALLY KIND OF APPREHENSION OR CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT TO COVID, UH, AND SO ON. AND, UH, THE JUDGE, KAREN, JERRY, ALL DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE SITUATION. THE COUNTY THAT GROWTH HAS CONTINUED TO, UH, OCCUR AND IS EXPECTED TO, TO KEEP HAPPENING AND SO ON. AND THEN THAT YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF MANAGING, UH, WITH WHAT YOU EXPECT AND ANTICIPATING. AND SO ON ONE THING I DID, OR REALLY TWO THINGS WANTED TO BRING OUT HIS RESERVE POSITION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. AND SO IT WAS POINTED OUT TO THEM AND IN KAREN DID A GREAT JOB ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, TIME, SHE GOT HERE, THE FUND BALANCE POSITION, THE COUNTY AND HOW IT HAS BEEN MONITORED AND KIND OF BABYSAT AND, AND ASSURE THAT IT BUILDS AND HAS GOTTEN TO A GOOD LEVEL. SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN THEY WERE ALSO IMPRESSED BY THE FIVE-YEAR PLANNING EFFORT THAT YOU'RE UNDERTAKING, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY LIKE THAT. UH, THEY LIKED TO KNOW THAT THAT A GOVERNMENT IS KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD AS FAR AS PLANNING AND THIS AND THAT, AND, AND EVEN COMMENTED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE. THEY SEE IT IN, IN LARGER GOVERNMENTS AND THIS AND THAT, BUT SOMETIMES COUNTIES, UH, AREN'T AS ADVANCED IN WHAT THEIR PRACTICES AND ALL SO WERE VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO SEE KIND OF WHAT THE RESULTS, UH, AND SO ON, HOPEFULLY WORK, BUT IN THE BOOK, UH, [00:15:01] THE FIRST FEW PAGES, ACTUALLY THAT PAGES ARE ALL NUMBERED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER, BUT ONE THROUGH FOUR, UH, OR JUST THE COVERS OF THE PRELIMINARY OR OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, AND THEN THE MATURITY SCHEDULES YEAH. THAT WENT OUT AND THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET SAW. BUT IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE FIVE, THIS IS THE SOURCES AND USES TIED TO THE ROAD BONDS, THE UNLIMITED TAX ROAD BONDS, UH, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S BUSY AND CONFUSING, BUT IT'S AN ESSENCE, UH, FIRST BOX, THE SOURCES OF THE PAR AMOUNT OR FIGHTS AMOUNT OF THE BONDS IS 20 MILLION, $975,000. AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE, DOWN BELOW THAT UNDER USES THE PRIMARY NUMBER 25,000,001, HUH, HUNDRED AND 50,000, THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF, UH, ROAD BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, UH, OR I GUESS IT'S JANUARY AND, AND THAT YOU, UH, UH, PLAN TO I HAVE. AND THE REASON THAT THE PAR MOUNTS LESS IS THAT NUMBER UP THEIR PREMIUM 4.8 MILLION, UH, YIELDS ON THE BONDS ARE LOW RELATIVE TO THE COUPON INTEREST RATES. SO THE BUYERS ARE ACTUALLY PAYING PREMIUM DOLLARS THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVES AND THAT LOWERS THE AMOUNT, UH, THAT HAS TO BE FINANCED TO PRODUCE, UH, THE 25 ONE 50 PLUS THE ISSUANCE COSTS THAT ARE RELATED. UH, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE, UH, IN BOTH OF THEM CAPITALIZE INTERESTS, THUNDER THAT PROCEEDS IN THIS CASE, IT'S 376, 4,000. AND WHAT THAT IS IS, UH, YOU HAVE ALREADY SET YOUR TAX RATE AND WE'VE GOT AN AUGUST 15TH OF 2021 PAYMENT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE THAT OUT OF TAX REVENUES. WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO SIZING OF THE ISSUE. SO THAT'LL BE PRODUCED BY PROCEEDS AS WELL. AND THEN YOU'LL START TAXING COME FISCAL YEAR 2022. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING FROM YOU ALL STANDPOINT, I KNOW IS THE RIGHT ANNUAL NOTICE AT THE BOTTOM. UH, THE INTEREST RATE, THE EFFECTIVE TWO INTEREST RATE ON THIS ISSUE WAS 2.379. UH, IT CONTINUES OR HAS TO KIND OF AMAZE ME, ALTHOUGH I THINK WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION AND MONETARY POLICY AND PHYSICAL, UH, UH, THINGS THEY'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, UH, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP. SO I THINK TIMING WAS OPTIMUM. JUDGE ASKED ME, UH, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH LAST YEAR? LAST YEAR, WE THOUGHT WE'D KIND OF HIT A HOME RUN. INTEREST RATES WERE LOW. IT WAS 2.659. SO NEARLY 30 BASIS POINTS ABOUT 28 BASIS POINTS LESS THAN THE RIGHT LAST YEAR. OKAY. ON THE NEXT PAGE IS THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE ASSOCIATED THE ROAD BONDS. UH, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT IS WHAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT. UH, IT'S YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COMPUTATIONS, BUT IT'S THE YIELDS AND THE COUPONS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH MATURITY THAT RESULTS IN THAT PREMIUM, UH, OVER ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE EIGHT, THIS IS THE SOURCES AND USES FOR THE LIMITED TAX BONDS THAT ARE FOR FACILITIES NEEDS, AND YOU'LL SEE DEPARTMENTS 25 MILLION, $10,000, IN COURSE, 5.7 MILLION PREMIUM, UH, WITH THAT. BUT YOU'LL SEE THE USAGE, IT'S THE FULL 30 MILLION OF PROCEEDS THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO FINANCE AND SO ON. AND THEN THE BOTTOM, THE RIGHT IN THIS CASE, UH, THERE ARE ONE BASIS POINT DIFFERENCE, AND IT'S JUST CAUSE THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THE UNLIMITED TAX ROAD, BONDS PAYABLE EARLIER, UH, TWEAKED IT THAT MUCH. BUT 2.38, THEY'RE BOTH ESSENTIALLY 2.38%, RIGHT. BUT, UH, UH, THEN THE SAME, THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE AND PRICING SUMMARY BEHIND THAT. AND THEN AT THE VERY BACK, STARTING ON PAGE 11 ON IS JUST MARKET GRAPHS SHOWING, UH, HISTORICALLY SOME SHORT, SOME LONGER TERM HISTORY, UH, WHAT INTEREST RATES HAVE DONE. AND, AND ALL IT DOES IS GO TO SHOW THAT WE ARE AT HISTORICAL LOW RATES. IF YOU USE THE BOND BUYER INDEX, UH, IT WAS 2.14% LAST WEEK, THE ALL-TIME LOW IS 2.02. SO 12 BASIS POINTS AWAY FROM LITERALLY THE ALL TIME LOW. AND OF COURSE THE JUDGE AND I, BECAUSE I KNEW HIM IN COLLEGE, UH, ARE BOTH OLD GUYS. AND WE WERE TALKING YESTERDAY ABOUT REMEMBERING, UH, IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES WHEN BUSINESSES WERE PAYING 20% PLUS AND MORTGAGES WERE 14% AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO KIND OF PHENOMENALLY GLOBE, NOT THE GOOD OLD DAYS THAT I REMEMBER FOR SURE NOT HAVING TO PAY IT. NO SIR. BUT THAT SUMMARIZES THE SALE. DAVID MENDEZ WITH PICKER, STAFF LAW FIRM, BOND COUNSEL TO THE COUNTIES HERE, UH, TO, UH, ANSWER AND HELP ADDRESS ANYTHING FROM LEGAL LEGAL STANDPOINT. BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER [00:20:01] ANY QUESTIONS AND OTHERWISE, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVING, UH, THE SALE OF BOTH THE BOND ISSUES PER THE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, WHILE MR. MENDEZ IS COMING UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS. UM, HE WORKS IN THE BACKGROUND SO MUCH AND, UM, THE WORLD WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, UH, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID. THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID TO ANY HINT OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, PROPER AND CORRECT. AND, UH, DAVID, WE APPRECIATE YOUR YOU'RE WATCHING OVER US, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CAPABILITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M TRY AND DO MY BEST. AND, UH, YOU HAVE TWO ORDERS BEFORE YOU, UH, UH, OF COURSE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE UNLIMITED TAX BOND, YOU'VE GOT A UNLIMITED TEXT BOND ROAD BOND ORDER HERE IT UPON A MOTION. AND SECOND, THIS WOULD BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, YOU'D AUTHORIZE, UH, THE JUDGE AND OUR TEAM TO SUBMIT THIS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, TO OBTAIN AN OPINION FROM THEM. AND THEN, UH, UPON GETTING THAT WE WOULD DELIVER THE BONDS TO THESE PURCHASERS, UH, SAME THING ON ITEM FIVE. AND SINCE, UH, UH, GEORGE EXPLAINED BOTH BOTH OF THE TRANSACTIONS ON A MOTION AND SECOND, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A FORM OF ORDER THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF THE LIMITED TEXTS FACILITY, BONDS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ON THE SAME BASIS SO THAT THE JUDGE AND THE TEAM CAN SUBMIT THOSE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND THEN UPON OBTAINING THE, ALL THE APPROVALS, GET IT DELIVERED TO THE PURCHASERS AND GET THE FUNDS, UH, DEPOSITED. I THINK THEY GET DEPOSITED MARCH 11TH, MARCH 11TH. SO THAT'S THE PLAN HERE. AND SO AFTER THIS MEETING TO JUDGE AND, AND, UH, ISSUES AND, AND, UH, MR. MCCLOUD AND THE REST OF THE TEAM WILL GET TOGETHER SO WE CAN GET ALL OF THESE EXECUTED DELIVERED TO THE AGC AND AWARE OF THE JUDGE. AND THE IS THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE ORDERS OR THE MATURE? THANK YOU AGAIN, BIG ORDER. WELL, UH, UM, YEAH, UH, IT COVERS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR JUST SUBJECT QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. WHAT'S BEFORE US IS, I'LL READ BACK FOUR AGAIN OR OUT ON THREE, AGAIN, A CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING AN ORDER AUTHORIZING ANY ISSUANCE OF COFFIN COUNTY, TEXAS UNLIMITED TAX ROAD, BOND SERIES 2021 IN AN ACTING PROVISIONS INCIDENT. AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF SAID BONDS, UH, UH, PROPER MOTION, I GUESS, WOULD BE TO APPROVE THAT ACTION, APPROVE THOSE ACTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE ACTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE ACTIONS AS PRESENTED THEM. ITEM THREE, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OF COMMISSIONER KATE'S DISCUSSION. UH, AND WE NEED A RECORD VOTE HERE. UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND. UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS? YES. COMMISSIONER BARBER. YES. COMMISSIONER CATES AND, UH, COUNTY JUDGE. IS I ALSO, OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES MOVING ON TO ITEM [4. George Williford; Consideration and Possible action concerning an order authorizing the issuance of "Kaufman County, Texas Limited Tax Bonds, Series 2021A and enacting provisions incident and related to the issuance of said bonds. ] FOUR, UH, AS WE WERE PRESENTED THERE, UH, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING AN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF COFFIN COUNTY LIMITED TAX BONDS SERIES 22 ZERO TWO ONE A AND ENACTING PROVISIONS INCIDENT, UNRELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF SAID BONDS, UH, SORT OF THE SAME MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THOSE ACTIONS IS PRESENTED IN ITEM FOUR. IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION, JUDGE. WE HAVE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER CASE. IS THERE A SECOND? NO. SECOND. THE SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION. OKAY. BACK BY PRECINCT COMMISSIONER HUNT. YES. UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, AH, COMMISSIONER BARBER. YES. COMMISSIONER KATE'S YES. AND COUNTY JUDGE. I ALSO THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT UP ITEM [5. Constable Woodall; Discuss/Consider approving the transfer Deputy Wade Bowden from the Sheriffs Office to the Pet. 3 Constables Office. ] FOUR, CONSTABLE WOULD ALL DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF DEPUTY WADE BOWDEN FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO PRECINCT THREE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE. GOOD MORNING, SIR. GOOD. UM, WAIT, IS, IS, UH, MR. BOUNDS CURRENTLY WORKING FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? UM, HE IS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF KAUFMAN COUNTY AND PRECINCT THREE, UH, GRADUATE, TERRIBLE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, HE'S, UH, HIGHLY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY UP THERE. UH, I JUST, I BELIEVE THAT IF THE HIRE [00:25:01] OF HIM WAS APPROVED, HE WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE PRECINCT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF DEPUTY WADE BOWDEN FROM SHERIFF'S OFFICE PRECINCT THREE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MOTION, COMMISSIONER BARBERS, OR A SECOND. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. NO MOTION CARRIES. THAT WAS QUICK AND EASY. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM YES. I'VE UH, TALKED TO BRANDY, UM, AND HAD HER PULL SOME NUMBERS ON MR. BOWDEN. NOW HE IS A BASE EMPLOYEE OR A BASE PAY DEPUTY, AND IT WILL FIT IN THIS BUDGET, BUT SHE, SHE RAN THOSE NUMBERS FOR ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT [6. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider/Approve by signing Resolution for a grant through the Office of the Governor, Public Safety Office Criminal Justice Division Funding for a Specialty Courts Grant to be administered through the County Court at Law II District Court for FY2021 - FY2022. ] UP PAM QUARTER DISCUSSED, CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL, UH, SIGNING RESOLUTION FOR A GRANT MUST BE FOR A GRANT APPLICATION FOR A GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR AND PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE, CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION, UH, FOR SPECIALTY COURTS. SO IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN, IT'S GRANT TIME THROUGH THE COG. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE THREE GRANTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR ACTUALLY FOR, UM, THE DA WILL BE HERE WITH HERS, BUT SO THIS MORNING, UM, I'M HERE ASKING PERMISSION TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT FUNDING. WHEN APPLYING FOR GRANTS, YOU'RE ASKED TO DO A RESOLUTION, SO THE RESOLUTION WOULD THEN BE SIGNED BY SIGNING THIS RESOLUTION AND REFLECTS THAT THE COUNTY GIVES PERMISSION AND TAKES RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDS ARE USED PROPERLY. SO THE FIRST ONE IS FOR COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER TWO, AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR COURTS. IT'S ACTUALLY A MENTAL HEALTH COURT. AND WE WOULD BE APPLYING UNDERNEATH, ESPECIALLY COURTS, UM, TITLE FOR THIS COURT. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SEND THE ATTENDEES THAT ATTEND THE COURT TO THERAPY OUT AT THE RIDING ARENA THERAPY. AND, UM, HERE IN TOWN ARE HERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF TOWN. UH, WAYLON HAS WORKED WITH THIS GROUP WITH THIS VETERANS COURT AND HE BROUGHT THE SUGGESTION FORWARD. AND SO WE WANT TO ASK FOR FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO SEND THEM OUT THERE. THEY ARE A MENTAL HEALTH CERTIFIED RANCH, AND THEY COULD GO OUT AND WE'RE HOPING IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM. UM, WE ALSO WOULD ASK FOR TRAINING AND TRAVEL FOR OUR TEAM IN THAT COURT AND THEN SUPPLIES AND THINGS THAT THEY WOULD NEED FOR THEIR COURT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER WHERE WE'RE COUNTING NUMBERS, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY POSSIBLE BE OF COURSE, 40,000 OR OVER. THERE'S NO INCLINE ON ANY OF THESE COURT, THESE GRANTS THAT I HAVE TODAY. SO IF WE GET IT GOOD, IF WE DON'T, THEN WE, WE DON'T. SO, SO THAT'S NUMBER SIX. SO I NEED APPROVAL ON THAT ONE. WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME. WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HEAR BACK ON GRAND ROUNDS? SO IT'LL BE SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE SUMMERTIME. SO IT'D BE SOMEWHERE AROUND JUNE, JUNE, JULY, POSSIBLY. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR PAIN THAT'S COUNTY COURT AT LAW, NUMBER TWO, JUDGE RICHES, MENTAL HEALTH COURT. UH, SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, THAT ACTION IN ITEM SIX IS BRIEF ABOUT PAM. I DID. I GOT QUESTIONED. YES. MA'AM THE GRANTS FOR HOW MUCH? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YET. WE'RE STILL WRITING THIS GRANT. THIS IS ASKING PERMISSION TO TURN THE APPLICATION IN. OKAY. ARE YOU ASKING TO COVER THE BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING? THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A POSITION. IT'LL JUST BE, UM, OFFICE SUPPLY, TRAINING TRAVEL, AND THEN IT SESSION. SO IT WOULD BE PAID OUT PER SESSION ON THIS ONE. SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT CREATING ANY JOBS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS PRESENTED ON ITEM SIX? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER CATES. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS, [7. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider/Approve by signing Resolution for a grant through the Office of the Governor, Public Safety Office Criminal Justice Division Funding for a Specialty Courts Grant to be administered through the 422nd District Court for FY2021 - FY2022. ] CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL SIGNING A GRANT APPLICATION OR RESOLUTION SUPPORTING A GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE, CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION FOR SPECIALTY COURTS GRANT ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE FOUR 22ND DISTRICT COURT. THIS IS JUDGE GIBBS COURT, AND THIS COURT IS A DRUG RELATED COURT. UM, IN THIS COURT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR DRUG TESTING KITS AND, UM, THERE IS A NEW PATCH THAT IS OUT. THE PATCH IS MORE ACCURATE, BUT IT COSTS QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY. SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE ASKING FOR. AND WE ALSO WANT TO ASK FOR, UM, NOTEBOOKS TO HOLD EACH ATTENDEE. SO THERE'LL BE A CHECKLIST, THERE'LL BE A PLANNER, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS FOR THESE. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A SOFTWARE AND THE SOFTWARE WILL HELP THE TEAM INTERACT OR TALK, UM, DURING THE WEEK BEFORE THEY HAVE COURT ON THAT FRIDAY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TO MEET BEFORE COURT ON FRIDAY, JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE ATTENDEES [00:30:01] AND THIS WAY THEY CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT SOFTWARE AND SHARE NOTES, UM, TRAINING AND TRAVEL AND A LAPTOP. AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A FOR SURE NUMBER 40,000 OR ABOVE IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE APPLICATION. AND, UH, SO WHAT, WHAT IS, THERE'S A LAPTOP AND SOFTWARE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE SOFTWARE THAT'S BEING USED IN VETERAN'S COURT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, IF YOU WILL, UP OUR GAME TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO, TO SAVE OUR TIME, TO GET OUR WORK DONE AND NOT TAKE AWAY TIME FROM THE TEAM MEMBERS, BUT BENEFIT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING THE COURT'S QUESTIONS FOR PAM. NO. OKAY. THEN LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT GRANT APPLICATION. MA'AM . I SAID YOU'RE GOOD. BEFORE WE DRUG DIVERSION COURT AND WE PUT SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER FOR HIM TO SEND THE PEOPLE TO GET TRAINING. YEAH. I THINK GENERALLY THEIR STIPENDS AND THE STIPENDS WERE NOT ASKED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ASKED FOR THIS YEAR. SO THIS WILL DEFINITELY HELP FOR THE TRAINING. SO WE HAVE A FOREST ITEM SEVEN IS YOU DISCUSSED AND PRESENTED. IS THERE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THAT GRANT APPLICATION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES AUTOMATE, [8. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider/Approve by signing Resolution for a grant through the Office of the Governor, Public Safety Office Criminal Justice Division Funding for Training Equipment to be administered through the Sheriff's Department for FY2021 - FY2022. ] UH, PAM AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVE A GRANT APPLICATION RESOLUTION, SUPPORTING YOUR GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR PUBLIC SAFETY, CRIMINAL DEFENSE DIVISION FUNDING FOR TRAINING EQUIPMENT TO BE ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS A FUN ONE. UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE, WE DID TURN IN AN APPLICATION LAST YEAR FOR TRAINING EQUIPMENT. THIS IS A VIRTUAL SIMULATOR. UM, WE WERE JUST ONE LINE AWAY FROM BEING FUNDED. THE FUNDING RUNS OUT VERY FAST UNDER THE JUSTICE OR THE JAG FUNDING. AND SO, UM, WE WANT TO THIS YEAR, WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A VIRTUAL REALITY SIMULATOR CLASSROOM EQUIPMENT, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF TABLES THAT ARE ON WHEELS AND MOVABLE IN OUR TRAINING ROOM. SO THEY CAN SIT THERE, MOVE THE TABLES BACK, BE ABLE TO DO ANY INTERACTION. THEY NEED A LARGE TV PROJECTORS, SO THAT WE'LL BE TO PROJECT. UM, ANY LEARNING MATERIAL THAT THEY HAVE, LAPTOP COMPUTERS TO UPGRADE THAT TRAINING ROOM FOR THE STUDENTS AND FOR THE INSTRUCTORS. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ABOUT $75,000, A LITTLE BIT LESS. AND SHERIFF, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT EQUIPMENT IS? I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS EQUIPMENT SO WELL FOR THE EQUIPMENT, THE SAME LETTER IS SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT. AND WE HAD, WE, WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE SIMILAR COMES OUT FROM TAC AND TRYING TO GET TAC IS REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE WE GOT 254 COUNTIES THAT ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR IT. SO THE SIMULATOR WE'RE ASKING FOR, CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU SUPPORT. AND I THINK THAT'S, WE ALL KNOW THAT'S TOP OF THEM AROUND WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THESE DAYS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND DEESCALATE. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THE OTHER STUFF IS TRYING TO SET UP FOR PROCTORS AND STUFF FOR TESTING AND HAVING THE NEW LAPTOPS AND THE LESSON DOWN ON PERSONNEL. AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE OUR TRAINING ROOM A LITTLE BULL ASSESSABLE. WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND AND ADD MORE, TAKE LESS AWAY AND HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT. AND PLUS GOING OFF SIDE WITH THE PROJECTOR AND I HAD OTHER STUFF WOULD BE LIKE, IF WE EVER GET BACK TO TRAINING BACK IN THESE CHURCHES AND STUFF, WE'RE DOING ACTIVE SHOOTERS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO OUR PLAN IS TO KEEP TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND AS THEY LIGHTEN UP, WE'LL START GETTING MORE AFTER IT. BUT WE'VE GOT TO HELP WITH TRAINING OFFICERS IN THAT ASPECT OF THIS GRANT. NOT ONLY TRAIN HERE, UH, FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY, WE TRY AND FOR ALL OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND CITIES. AND SO THIS WOULD BE OPEN TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. UM, I WANT TO READ THIS. IT SAYS CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION ONLY GOES SO FAR. SCENARIO BASED VIRTUAL VIRTUAL REALITY TRAINING PROVIDES AN ACTIVE LEARNING PROCESS WHERE OFFICERS CAN GET INSTANT FEEDBACK ON HOW THEY HANDLED THE VIOLENT, THE MOST VIOLENT TYPES OF ENCOUNTERS THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO BECOME FACE TO FACE WITH THIS LEARNING BY DOING APPROACH HELPS BUILD CONFIDENCE TO HELP OFFICERS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS REGARDING USE OF FORCE AND RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING THIS, THE INSTRUCTOR AND THE OFFICER, AND THEN OVER AND OVER ANY IMMEDIATELY, HE WILL BE HE OR SHE WILL BE TOLD WHAT THEY'RE DOING WRONG AND THEN TRY TO IMPROVE IT. SO, AND OF COURSE WITH MY SON BEING ONE OF THE DEPUTIES, I WANT HIM TO BE AS TRAINED AS WELL AS HE CAN. SO, SO ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE [00:35:01] QUESTIONS, NOPE. OKAY THEN, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS PRESENTED IN AUTOMATE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION AND ALSO COMMENT. WE, WE DID HAVE THESE, UH, SYSTEMS AT THE CITY OF IRVING WHILE I WORKED AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT THERE AND THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT WITH YOU OUT ON THE STREETS. I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT THING TO GO FOR. SO DEFINITELY I WANT TO VOTE THAT WE APPROVE THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES. NOW I MOVED FROM TRAINERS TO A DUMPING. HOW EXCITING IS THIS COMMISSIONER [9. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider precinct illegal dumping disposal options. ] HUD DISCUSS, CONSIDER PRECINCT ILLEGAL DUMPING DISPOSAL OPTIONS. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS SAYS WE'RE GOING DOWN AND HE'LL FAST. UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS A LOT OF DUMPING. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WITH THE COVID STUFF THAT THE INMATES ARE STARTING TO GET BACK OUT AGAIN WITH THE DETENTION OFFICERS THAT WE HIRED TO DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST THREE DIFFERENT TIMES. THEY PICKED UP 60 CUBIC YARDS. SO WE'RE MAKING SLOW PROGRESS, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE TIRES. THE TIRES ARE TURNING INTO A VERY EXPENSIVE DEAL FOR US AND, UH, YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM AWAY. AND SO WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT. SO WE HAD A VENDOR WE WERE USING, UH, WHEN WE TRIED TO SET UP A TRAILER AT THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY AND THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY, JUST EXCLUSIVELY FOR WHAT OUR GUYS PICK UP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS AND THE DETENTION OFFICERS, UM, TALKING TO THE COMPANY WE'RE USING, THEY HAD NOT, UH, UPDATED OUR ACCOUNT SINCE 2015. SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY. SO I GUESS IF WE'RE TO KEPT OUR MOUTH SHUT, WE COULD STILL OPERATE IT. BUT YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GROW, WE, UH, FOUND IT AND THE COST ARE REALLY OUTLANDISH AND IT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY. DON'T HAVE THIS BUDGET IN SOLID WASTE. WE'LL GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. SO I LIKE COPIES OUT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE. AND WITH SOME OF OUR COST WITH THE, I HAD THREE COMPANIES, I CALLED TO TRY TO GET SOME COMPETITIVE PRICING AND GET SOME IDEAS, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET SOMEONE THAT THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND COUNTIES. AND, UH, TWO OF THEM REPLIED, ONE OF THEM DID NOT RETURN ANY PHONE CALLS. UM, ONE OF THE COMPANIES, THEY HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT, AND THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS TO COURT IS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMMITMENT. IF WE DECIDE TO DO THESE OTHER OPTIONS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMMITMENT FROM US AS COMMISSIONERS AND OUR MANPOWER TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, THE CHEAPEST WAY OUT, OUT OF ALL THESE OPTIONS THAT I FOUND AND THE DALLAS GRAND PRAIRIE AND FORT WORTH USE SOMETHING LIKE THESE. AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY THEIR PROCESS EARLY IN THE SENT HOME, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY COLLECT THE TIRES WE PICK UP AND THEN USE A LOADER TO LOAD THEM IN A DUMP TRUCK. AND WE CAN HOLD THEM OURSELVES. AND THEY CHARGE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON FOR PASSENGER LIGHT TRUCK AND 18 WHEELER TIRES. AND FOR EVERY TIRE WITH A RIM ON IT, THEY CHARGE YOU $5. EACH FOR THAT, THE OTHER ONE IS TO STORE OUR TIRES OUT OF THE WEATHER. WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE COMMISSIONER CATES HAS, UH, A TRAILER THAT WAS LEFT FROM A VENDOR FROM YEARS AGO. AND COMMISSIONER BARBER HAS ONE LEFT AT HIS PLACE THAT WE CAN'T FIND THE OWNER FOR TOO. ALTHOUGH IT'S PACKED FULL OF TIRES. YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO DISPOSE OF, BUT IF WE USE THOSE TRAILERS TO PUT THE TIRES IN AND KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WEATHER, THIS ONE COMPANY WILL SEND A BOBTAIL TRUCK AND TWO MEN, AND THEY WERE CHARGES TWO 25 ATTIRE ATTIRE TO HOLD THEM OFF. AND THAT BOBTAIL TRUCK WILL HOLD 300 TO 500 TIRES. SO, AND ALSO IT'S TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON. IF WE PUT THEM IN A DUMP TRUCK AND HAUL THEM OURSELVES, THEY SAY 90 TO A HUNDRED TIRES FOR A TON OF TIRES, UH, THE BIG PROBLEM OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT TIRES AND TRACTOR TIRES, THEY SURE DON'T WANT THEM. AND ONE COMPANY, WE CAN GET A TRAILER OUT THERE AND THEY PICK THEM UP EVERY MONTH. REGULAR TIRES ARE $1,600 A MONTH FOR THE TRAILER AND THEY PICK IT UP EVERY MONTH, WHETHER IT'S FULL OR NOT. IF YOU PUT OR CONTAMINATE THE LOAD WITH A BIG TIRE, THEY BUMP IT UP TO 3,750. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW BAD THEY DO NOT WANT A TRACTOR AND MACHINE RETIRES. UH, I WISH WE HAD SOME HISTORY. WE JUST KINDA INHERITED THESE TIRE TRAILERS THAT WERE LEFT OVER [00:40:01] TIME. THEY'D BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIRE TRAILERS WE WILL ACTUALLY USE. IF WE DID THE, THE MONTHLY DEAL, WE MIGHT BE PAYING MONTHLY FEES FOR 25 OR 30 TIRES IN A TRAILER. UM, ANOTHER COMPANY IS, IS ALMOST THE SAME. IT'S LIKE 14, 50 A MONTH, THEN PICK IT UP, YOU KNOW? SO, SO EITHER THE OPTIONS, IF WE USE THE OPTIONS WHERE WE HAVE TO USE OUR MANPOWER AND DO SOME WORK OR SALES OR THE CHEAPEST THING TO GET BY WITH, IF WE'RE CAN COMMIT AS COMMISSIONERS TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, GET THE TIRES TO THE TRAILERS AT PRECINCT FOUR IN PRECINCT THREE IT'S, NORTH AND SOUTH. AND THEN WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO, TO LOAD DUMP TRUCKS, OR WE CAN PAY FOR THE BOBTAIL AND TWO MEN AND HAVE THEM HOLD OFF. BUT WHEN I PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY, WE DO THIS, BUT WHAT IF WE DO GET THE EXTRA MONEY OUT AND PUT IN CONTINGENCY FOR SOLID WASTE? OKAY. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, THE, WITH, UH, WITH THE DISPOSAL OF A LOT OF THINGS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEBODY DISPOSES OF YOUR WASTE OIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THEY DON'T PROPERLY DO IT, YOU'RE STILL IT'S. IF THEY CAN TRACK IT BACK TO YOU, YOU YOU'RE STILL OBLIGATED. IS THAT TRUE WITH TIRES? DO YOU KNOW? LIKE IF WE HAD A, AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY DISPOSING OF THEM PROPERLY, THEY WERE DUMPING THEM SOMEWHERE. DO YOU KNOW IF WE'RE STILL LIABLE FOR THOSE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, HE'S REPUTABLE COMPANIES THAT WORK WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY, THE CITY OF DALLAS CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THEN LIBERTY IS A NATIONAL COMPANY IS QUARTERED HEADQUARTERED IN PENNSYLVANIA AND HAVE BIG OFFICES IN HOUSTON. SO WE'RE NOT DATING WITH MOM AND POPS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO, I THINK THE THIRD VENDOR WE GOT, THEY NEVER RETURNED THE CALL. SO IT WAS NOT LIKE AN OFFICE. SO THAT VERY WELL COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, UM, AND SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER BARBER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, WHENEVER VENDORS SELL TIRES, WE ALL PAY DISPOSAL FEES FOR THE TIRES. AND I THINK I WANT TO SAY, TO TALK TO DEBRA AND I DON'T, I THINK IT WAS DEBRA. I TALKED TO THAT. UH, IS THERE ANY KIND OF ANYBODY FOLLOW UP ON THAT THEY ARE USING THAT MONEY TO DISPOSE OF THE TIRES ONE TIME, YEARS AGO WHEN I LOOKED INTO THAT FOR A WHOLE OTHER REASON, BOTH THE BATTERY RECYCLING FEE THAT YOU PAY AND THE TIRE RECYCLING FEE WERE JUST WENT INTO THE STAGE, GERALD. YEAH. SO YOU SAID THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT. AND THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS WAS SAYING EARLIER TODAY. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS TO GET THAT MONEY, TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTIES THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE DISPOSAL FEES INSTEAD OF USING IT TO BALANCE A BUDGET. I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOSE FEES COMING IN, BUT I, TO ASK YOU THIS, NOW THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS NOW OUT OF SOLID WASTE FUNDS, THAT WAS ON MY SPOT. YOU KNOW, AND WE KNOW WE, WE WENT IN THE HOLE TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND JUST BEEN ON SITE. AND NOW WE HAVE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, SOMETHING REOCCURRING. SO WE DON'T END UP FOR THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE, THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR TRAILERS FULL OF TIRES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY TO DISPOSE OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING. NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT I BROUGHT UP, UH, TO MY WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF TIRE COMPANIES. THERE'S ONE ON EVERY CORNER AND TERRELL, OKAY, LITTLE MOM AND POP SHOPS AND EVERYTHING WE NEED TO FIND OUT. THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN TRACK WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THEIR RETIRES. WELL, WHERE DO WE KNOW WHERE THIS STUFF IS GOING? AS A LOT OF IT ENDED UP IN OUR DITCHES, I GUARANTEE IT IS BECAUSE I SEE MULTIPLE TIRES. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE GIVING THEM TO ARE DUMPING THEM OR WHAT, BUT THESE ARE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE DUMPING TIRES OUT THERE. THESE ARE COMING FROM SOME OF THESE SHOPS OR AT LEAST THE PEOPLE THAT THEY DISPOSED THEIR TIRES TO. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN TRACK WHERE THOSE TIRES ARE GOING AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING FROM THERE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS THERE A CENTRAL LOCATION THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE TAKING THESE TO LIKE THE GUYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GETTING OUR TIRES? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THEM? NOT WANTING TO GO OUT ON LUCK, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER INSPECTION SITES WHERE WE FOLLOW UP STUFF, LET ME LIFT ALONG MY CHAIR DRIVE, BUT I IMAGINE THERE'S A PERIPHERY AND WE'LL ALL IT SAYS WHEN YOU WANT WENT BACK TO MY CHURCH, THEY'RE DISPOSING OF THEIR STUFF PROPERLY. SO I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU IN AN EMAIL. IT'S ABOUT HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIRES THEY HAVE. SO THE LARGER COMPANIES, AND I WAS JUST ON A CONFERENCE CALL ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR LAST WEEK THEY ARE WANTING THEM. AND THERE IS [00:45:01] A PORTAL THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT INFORMATION IN THE SMALLER ONES THAT ARE UNDER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THERE'S NOT. SO LIKE THE SMALLER ONES CAN COLLECT THE $5 P AND NOT NECESSARILY EVEN IN THE STATE OR ANYTHING. I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT HAPPENED. YEAH, EXACTLY. PAM, I GUESS NOT LONG AFTER I'D BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS, WE HAD TIRE CLEANUP EVENTS AND THE 18 WHEELER TRAILER WILL BE FIELD WITH THE INMATES, LOADING IT TO THE TOP, PACKED, LICENSING THEM TOGETHER IN 20 MINUTES. AND THEN THERE'LL BE A STACK. DO YOU HAVE TO CALL FOR ANOTHER TRUCK TO COME THE OTHER DAY, THE NEXT DAY? AND THE PARKING LOT JUST STACKED UP. AND IT TAKES NO TIME AT ALL. AND THE LINES ARE UNREAL. NOW THERE IS SOME ABUSE. I MEAN, CAUSE WE LIMITED LIKE SEVEN TIRES OR SOMETHING PER PERSON. AND YOU'D SAY NO DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY BRINGING THE SAME TRAILER IN TRUCK, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO? I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, UH, AND THE MONEY'S KIND OF DRIED UP. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN, IN A YEAR, BUT IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY TIMES I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WAS THAT MANY TIRES OUT THERE. I'D NEVER HEARD THAT MAY ON THE SIDE ROAD THAT WE SEE THAT MANY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. I MEAN, IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW. THE ONLY TIME THAT WE FAILED UP OUR TRAILER, WAS IT HOME ON CARLTON COUNTY, CLEANUP DAY? IT'S A WORD IT'S A GROWING THE TRAILER ALL YEAR AND IT SAT OUT THERE OPEN. SO YOU COULD COME PUT TIRES IN IT AND NOBODY FILLED IT UP DURING THE YEAR. IT'S, IT'S A GROWING PROBLEM. WE AT PRECINCT FOUR IS PICKING UP ON THE AVERAGE ABOUT 12 TO 15 TIRES A WEEK, JUST INDIVIDUAL ONE OR TWO. UH, BUT WE ALSO ARE HAVING A SPIKE IN, UH, INCIDENCES OF 20 TIRES, 40 TIRES. WE PICKED UP OVER, PARDON ME OVER 40 TIRES, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. AND, AND UH, NOT ONLY IS IT, IS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, DOES IT DRAIN OFF ROAD AND BRIDGE RESOURCES AND MANPOWER TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND CLEAN THAT STUFF UP, BUT IT'S JUST A, UH, UH, THEN, THEN YOU HAVE TO STORE THESE TIRES. I MEAN, IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM. AND, AND FRANKLY, IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, I'M CONVINCED THAT SOME OF THESE BIGGER, UH, 10, 12, 15 TIRES AT A TIME 40 TIRES AT A TIME, THEY ACTUALLY ARE COMING FROM SOME OF THESE SMALLER INDIVIDUAL TIRE SHOPS. BUT I FEAR THEY'RE COMING FROM OUT OF THE COUNTY. YEAH, YEAH. PROBABLY ALL COMING FROM BUCKNER AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS SHOPS IN A ROW AND THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THE COUNTY LAND. SO WE, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I ENCOURAGE THE SHERIFF, UH, I'VE TALKED TO, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUYS ABOUT MAYBE BEING PROACTIVE IN ENVISIONING THESE TIRE SHOPS AND DEVELOPING SOME SOURCES OF INFORMATION AND THAT KIND OF THING RELATIVE TO WHO THEY, WHO ARE THEY TURNING THEIR TIRES OVER TO? UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THIS, UH, KIND OF A SECONDARY EFFECT PROBLEM WHERE WE WERE STARTING TO SEE TIRES BE COLLECTED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO, UH, I'M PRESUMING THAT SOMEONE IS BEING PAID TO ALLOW, UH, SOME OF THESE TIRE HAULERS, IF YOU WILL, PROBABLY THE SMALLER TYPE TO SIMPLY STACK THOSE TIRES UP. AND IN WHAT, UH, 20 YEARS AGO WAS SOMEBODY OLD CATTLE FEED LOT. BUT NOW EVERY TIME YOU GO BY THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER 25 TIRES STACKED UP IN THERE. SO AT SOME POINT W AND WE HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS, WHICH I KNOW THE SHERIFF IS AWARE OF, WHERE WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF TIRES THAT ARE ALREADY STACKED UP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO IT'S A PROBLEM THAT BOTH, BOTH NEED SOME KIND OF REGULATION. NOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IS, BUT I WOULD SAY WE OUGHT TO EXPLORE IT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM GETTING IN IT, NO REGULATION AGAINST TAGGING UP TIRES ON YOUR PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS TO GET THROUGH THIS ONE DOWN AGAIN. IT'S GOT, I GUARANTEE YOU, THEY GOT A THOUSAND TIRES SITTING OUT THERE AND THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, THEN THE OWNER DIES. THEN THE DAD WHO GOT IT DONE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS TO GET IT CLEANED UP, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY THERE'S BEEN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEN IT FALLS, IT'LL FALL TO THE GOVERNMENT TO HANDLE IT. AND SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR WE COULD SEEK THE AUTHORITY TO SOMEHOW REGULATE AND COLLECT SOME FEES TO HELP DEFER THE COST, BUT IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. IT'S A HUGE DROP. UM, I GUESS WE PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY WHEN WE HAVE CLEANED IT UP, RIGHT. SAME PROCESS, RIGHT. THAT WE DO ON THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S THE SAME, WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT WORTH MUCH, BUT I MEAN, [00:50:01] EVERY NICKEL MATTERS, I GUESS IN THAT POINT. SO, BUT BACK TO YOUR MAT, MATTER AT HAND, I THINK THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF TRAILERS THAT WE CAN USE, UH, TO, TO, UH, KIND OF FACILITATE THIS PROCESS AND STORE THEM, NOT STORM OUTSIDE, BE ABLE TO STORE THEM. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, IN THE END, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS BEFORE TODAY, AS WELL AS WHAT YOU PRESENTED HERE SEEMS LIKE OUR BEST OPTION IS, IS MAYBE, UH, SHERIFF, IF WE COULD FIND SOME WAY TO, UH, AS AVAILABLE, TAP YOUR, TAP, YOUR INMATE, UH, MANPOWER TO THEN DO THE ACTUAL LOADING OF THE TIRES. CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE TWO 25, A TIRE IS PRETTY STEEP, YOU KNOW, TO PAY A GUY TO COME OUT AND SLIP A TIRE FROM A TRAILER INTO THE DUMP TRUCK OR SOMETHING. A BOBTAIL TRUCK. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO, AND AT TWO 25 ATTIRE OR 300, IF IT'S 300 TIRES OR FIVE, FOUR, 500 TIRES CAN BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS. ALTHOUGH WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE, CAUSE THERE IS NO HISTORY, WHAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATE TIMELINE? HOW MANY LOADS A YEAR WOULD WE BE PAYING FOR? YEAH. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE ONE OR TWO LOADS. YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT TRIPS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE DO FOUR A YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT 4,000 BUCKS, $5,000 TO, WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THEY, WHERE DO THEY TAKE THEM? THEY RECYCLE THEM. THESE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE LEGIT COMPANIES THAT RECYCLE THE TIRES. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST MANAGING THE TIRES THAT ARE ILLEGALLY DUMPED. YES. UH, NOT ACCEPTING TIRES FROM THE PUBLIC. SO WE KNOW THIS IS JUST IN-HOUSE. SO WHEN WE FILL UP THE DUMPED UP, WAIT, WE DO HAVE THAT. THEY HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STATIONS DO TAKE TIRES. THEY CHARGE FOR THE TIRES BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY TO GET THEM DISPOSED OF TOO. SO THE CONTRACTED PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, THEY, YOU CAN GET RID OF TIRES THERE. YOU CAN GET RID OF THEM UP HERE AT KAUFFMAN, BY BUYING COUPONS. SO THERE ARE WAYS FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET RID OF TIRES. YOU KNOW, NOW LARGE QUANTITY OF TIRES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY JUST LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO PAY TO DISPOSE OF OUR TIRES. WHEN YOU BUY A SET OF TIRES, DO YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM? YES. CAN YOU JUST SAY NO, I'M GOING TO JUST KEEP MY TIRE. NO, THEY'RE CHARGING YOU FOR THE NEW CHARGING MINE AS WELL. THEY GET YOU BOTH WAYS. OKAY. ADDS A LOT TO THEIR GENERAL. YEAH. I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAD THE COUNTY-WIDE CLEANUP IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAD TO PAY TO HAVE THOSE TIRES TAKEN OFF. I COULD RUN SOME HISTORY AND PULL THOSE INVOICES AND GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION MAYBE. WELL, IF THAT WOULD HELP, IT'S NOT, THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH WHAT WE PICK UP OUR GUYS PICK UP. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. THIS IS PUZZLE OF TIRES THAT THE INMATES PICK UP AND THAT OUR GUYS PICK UP IS TOTALLY SEPARATE THAN THE PUBLIC CAUSE OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, THE CONTRACTOR WE HAVE HELPED ME OUT HERE, PAM, IS IT FOUR TRAILERS DURING THE SUMMERTIME AT THESE CLEANUPS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAILERS AT THE SITES AS PART OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BRING THEIR TIRES. SO WE DID CONTRACT THAT MUCH. WE GOT FOUR TRAILERS, ONE AT EACH PRECINCT ONCE A YEAR, AS PART OF THE CONTRACT FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC'S TIRES. YOU KNOW, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE STATIONS THAT ARE OPEN THREE OR FOUR DAYS A WEEK TO DISPOSE OF THE PUBLIC DISPOSE OF THEIR TIRES. SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT HANDLED. AND THEN IF PAM CAUSE MORE GRANT MONEY, WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WEEKENDS OR SATURDAY WHERE WE CAN TAKE TIRES. BUT THIS IS JUST EXCLUSIVELY IN-HOUSE STUFF WHERE WE ACCUMULATE THE TIRES AND THEY'RE AT OUR, THEY'RE AT OUR LOTS RIGHT NOW, ACCUMULATING. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE GOT TEARY OVER THERE. WE HAVE A FULL TRAILER. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OWNS THE TRAILER IS SOME COMPANY HAS WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND IT'S BRAND FULL OF TIRES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO DISPOSE OF THEM TOO. SO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE PROCESS HERE, IF THEY CONTAMINATED, IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS 37 52, AND WE HAVE TO OFFLOAD IT INTO A TRAILER. YOU CAN PULL ON THE ROAD. COULD WE GET THEM TO GIVE US A, I GUESS, AN ESTIMATE TO GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT OUR PRECINCTS TO GIVE US KIND OF A BASELINE TO WORK WITH. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO START FRESH. AND THEN WE KIND OF MONITOR IT FROM THERE AND SEE, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP A HISTORY. THERE'S NO DOUBT. SO I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE GO EVEN WITH THE BOBTAIL TRUCK AND THEY COME OUT, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. IF THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH [00:55:01] INDUSTRY, ARE OUR VENDORS OUT THERE SELL TIRES. THIS COMPANY GOES OUT AND SENDS A BOBTAIL TRUCK AND LOADS UP FOR A FEE. AND, UH, I KNOW HE SAID LIKE GRAND PRAIRIE, THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, THEY JUST TACK THEIR TIRES UP. AND ON A RAINY DAY, WHEN THE UTILITY WORKERS DON'T HAVE EAT OR THEY CAN'T WORK, THEY TAKE THE FRONT END LOADER, SCOOP IT UP, DUMPING IT A DUMP TRUCK AND THEY START RUNNING THEM OVER THE SCALES. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT OPTION TOO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE TIRES ARE OUT IN THE OPEN, SO YOU CAN LOAD THEM WITH THE FRONT END LOADER. OR IF WE STORE THEM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUR MANPOWER INMATES TO, TO GET THEM OUT. AND IT MIGHT BE A RAINY DAY WHERE WE CAN'T WORK, BUT IT MIGHT BE A DAY WHERE WE CAN'T USE THE INMATES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY OBLIGATED SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE CAN'T POSSIBLY GET OUR OWN TRAILERS. AND THIS TOLERANT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THEM PULLED, JUST HAUL THEM DOWN. YEAH, DEFINITELY THIS GET TWO TRAILERS AND I DON'T HAVE TO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UNLOAD THEM. HE CAN DRIVE ACROSS THE SCALES WITH A TRAILER, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNLOAD THEM THERE. YES. BECAUSE THEY KNOW NO, I MEAN, WE PROBABLY, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THEM UNLOADED, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOAD 18 WHEELERS? WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD A LAMP OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY LIFTED THE TRAILER UP AND DUMPED THEM OUT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, LIKE A DUKE CORN AND EVERYTHING. I MEAN, I DON'T, I MEAN, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'D BE, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO IS ACQUIRING A COUPLE OF DECENT SIZED DUMP TRAILERS. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE A DUMP, TRY TO RUN THEM ACROSS JUST, AND THEN DOES THAT MEAN THAT'S THE SAME, WE'D BE IN THE SAME SITUATION IF WE TOOK A DUMP TRUCK. RIGHT. WHICH IS JUST DUMP PACK. YEAH. AND THAT WAY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HANDLE IT TWICE, STACKING IT. AND THEN YEAH. WELL THE LABOR IS, WHAT'S THE KILLER. IF WE GET THIS, KNOCK THE LABOR OFF OF IT. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS. BUT ANYWAY, WE SLOAN THE TRAILER AND UNLOADING THE TRAILER AND RELOAD, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DECIDE? WE'LL HAVE TO CLEAN UP PRECINCT THREE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A FEW TIRES AND THAT'S RIGHT. PROMPT AND PRICING THREE ALREADY, AND THEN CLEAN IT UP. AND THEN WE'LL JUST STARTED FRESH. AND THEN WHICHEVER OPTION AND MY RECOMMENDATION OF THE TWO OPTIONS, JUST DECIDE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMMITMENT FROM US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT WE DECIDE, WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO DEVELOP A HISTORY AND THEY WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO BUDGET FOR IT. AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BLEED. IT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET A HUNDRED TIRES AND I MIGHT GET 10 AND THEN I MIGHT NOT GET ANOTHER TIRE FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE MONTHLY FEES COMING IN THE TRAILER IS SO COST PROHIBITIVE IN MY MIND TO PAY THE CAT A MONTH. AND THEY'RE GOING TO PICK IT UP, WHETHER THERE'S FIVE TIRES IN THERE OR, OR WHAT, WHAT DID THEY EVER CONSIDER A QUARTERLY DEAL INSTEAD OF JUST A MONTHLY PICKUP AND GIVE US A DIFFERENT RATE OR SOMETHING? WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY RENT THE TRAILERS AND THE TRAILER SITTING OUT OR THEY LOSE MONEY. SO IT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S ONE OPTION TO THAT. ONE COMPANY HAS SAID, THEY'LL CHARGE $1,800 TO BRING A TRAILER IN. WE COULD KEEP IT FOR SIX WEEKS TO LOAD THE TRAILER AND THEY'D COME PICK IT UP. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE PAYING FOR A DEADHEAD. SO THEY BRING THE TRAILERS IN THE DEAD HEAD BACK TO THE PLACE. AND THEY DID HAVE TO COME BACK TO PICK UP THE TRAILER AFTER WE LOADED AND ANYTHING OVER THOSE, THOSE FEW WEEKS THAT THE DEAL IS FIVE OR SIX WEEKS. YOU PAID $300 A MONTH FOR RENTAL WAKE UP, WILL YOU PROBABLY GET A TRACE? HE DIDN'T BRING US 30 YARD AND FILLED 30 YARD UP AND TAKE IT OVER AND DUMP IT OUT CHEAPER THAN RENTING A TRAILER PARK OR, YEAH, THAT'S THE SCIENCE, THE SAME THING AS RUNNING THEM ACROSS THE SCALES, RIGHT. OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE WANT, IT WANTS TO MORPHINE TO IN HOUSE. BUT ONE OF THEM IS BASICALLY WE TAKE IT OVER THERE. WE LOAD IT, TAKE IT OVER THERE, RUN ACROSS THE SCALES AND DUMPING. AND THEN WE PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF CONTAMINATION AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HANDLE IN HOUSE. WE CAN'T PUT A BIG MACHINE RETIRING WITH THESE LOADS, WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE. WELL, WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN TAKE THEM OVER THERE, BUT WE CAN'T CONTAMINATE A LOAD WITH THE TRACTOR TIRES IN THE, IN THE, THE BIG EQUIPMENT TIRES. W IF WE HAUL IT OURSELVES, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S PREDICATED ON WEIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. YES. A HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A PROBLEM HAVING AN OPEN TRAILER THAT SITS OUT THERE, THAT WHERE THE TIRES GET FILLED UP WITH WATER THAT'S RIGHT. THEN YOU GOT MOSQUITOES, YOU'VE GOT HEALTH ISSUES. AND THAT'S HOW THEY ENFORCED TIRES ANYWAY, IS TO THE HEALTH CODE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE MOSQUITOES. I JUST ALWAYS FIND OLD TRAILERS BY AND SAT THERE AND FELT THEM UP, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO LOAD. AND THEN YOU STILL GOT ON, YOU GOT TO LOAD THEM IN THE TRAILER, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO UNLOAD THEM, YOU KNOW, TO HAUL THEM. I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO, I'M GOING TO LIVE TO A DUMP, LOOKING INTO ACQUIRING A COUPLE OF DUMP TRAILERS THAT WE COULD EQUIP WITH A COVER AND THEN KEEP ONE, [01:00:01] UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM KEEP ONE FOR ONE AND FOUR AND ONE FOR TWO AND THREE. AND, AND, UH, AND THEN AS YOU SAY ON THOSE DAYS WHERE ROAD AND BRIDGE, CAN'T, CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE OF INCLEMENT WEATHER, WE COULD JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE A RUN FOR TIRE DISPOSAL. CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS EVEN WITH TRYING TO DEVELOP, UH, A HISTORIC BASELINE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SPIKY SITUATION, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE ROUTINELY PICKING UP 10, 12, 15 TIRES A WEEK, BUT LAST MONTH I PICKED UP ONE LOAD OF 20 AND ONE LOAD OF 40 TIRES THAT WERE DUMPED. BUT SO FAR WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE BIG ONES LIKE THAT, THIS, THIS MONTH. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO, TO PREDICT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, UM, WHAT OUR COLLECTION CAPACITY REALLY NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT FLUCTUATE. YEAH. Y'ALL TALK TO ME AND WHATEVER WE DECIDE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO GET IT CLEANED UP FOR NOW, LET'S DO THAT AND LOGIN TO GET IN THESE TWO TRADERS WITH COVERS ON THEM. AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT HANDLING AS MANY TIMES. AND THEN WE JUST TAKE IT OVER THERE OURSELVES AND PAY WHATEVER IT COSTS TO DO IT. AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO START WORKING THAT INTO THE BUDGET. AND ACTUALLY, I, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, A GOOD WAY TO GO. I HAVE PRECINCT FOUR HAS A BIG DUMP TRAILER THAT, UH, BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THAT ACTUALLY IS SO BIG WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY ACQUIRED. THE SIDES ARE SO HIGH THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR, IT'S HARD FOR THE GUYS TO USE IT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO THROW STUFF OVER THE SIDE. SO WE COULD PROBABLY JUST PUSH THAT TRAILER INTO THIS, UH, INTO THIS PROGRAM AND ONLY HAVE TO ACQUIRE ONE TRAILER. OKAY. WHY ARE YOU THIS BEAUTIFUL ONE, EVERYBODY TAKE TWO, EVERYBODY TAKE THEM TO PRECINCT FOUR AND PUT THEM IN THE BANK MEAN, TYLER, NO, MAN. I MEAN, THAT'S FINE WITH US. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T GET VERY MANY YET. YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T PICK UP VERY MANY MORE. I GUESS THERE'S SO MANY HOUSES. I HAVE SO MANY HOUSES IN THE STREETS. YOU'RE THE EARLY NOTICE WHEN YOU DUMP ONE IN YOUR FRONT YARD AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE URBAN COMMISSIONER. YOU CAN'T HELP IT. IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. RIGHT. BUT I AGREE WITH THE, UM, I THINK, I THINK HOLLAND HERSELF, BUT WITHOUT LABOR WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DUMP IT WHEN WE GET IT. WELL, WHY DON'T WE TRY THAT? WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, MAKE A MOVE TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAN UP TERRY'S PROBLEM UP THERE. AND THEN WE'LL JUST POSITION AND I'M HAPPY TO POSITION THAT, UH, OUR TRAILER, WOULD IT BE MORE CONVENIENT? WE POSITIONED IT IN A COFFIN SOMEWHERE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING EVERYBODY HAVE TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CAMP. ALSO, TERRY PROBABLY COULD PROBABLY THIS TIRE UP A 30 YARD OR SOMETHING AND FILL IT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, I'M HAULING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RUN LOADED AND I CHARGED RENTAL FOR THAT 30 YARD TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND LESS THAN THE DRIVERS. WE'LL START THAT ONE WITH THE TRAILER AND JUST SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. AND SO WE JUST GO BY THE TIME AND I'LL GET THE INFORMATION TO RYAN, TO, I MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT. YOU COULD USE IT FOR THAT. IT'S OUT OF THIS. WE CAN JUST GET THE LABOR. NOW, THE SONG, THEY JUST UNLOADED INTO ONE OF YOUR COMPANY TO DO THAT, MAKE TWO OR THREE RUNS TO YOU, CLEAN THAT TRAILER. YEAH. THE LIBRARY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE MONEY TO CONTINGENCY. AND YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE SOME MONEY TO DO SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT WE'LL JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S THE WHOLE SOLID WASTE DEAL IS WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, WANTS TO TRY AND GET SOME HISTORY AND TRY TO GET IT LINED UP TO WHERE IT'S WORKABLE FOR EVERYBODY. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNTIL WE GET HER, ALL OF HER BOOKS WORKED OUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SEE, WELL, I'LL GET WITH YOU AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE. AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WANT TO POSITION THAT TRAILER. NOW I'LL GET, I'LL GET OUR BIG DUMP TRAILER RELOCATED TO KAUFMAN. AND THAT'LL, WE'LL START USING THAT AS A CENTRAL COLLECTION POINT AND THEN THAT'LL GET A TARP TO COVER IT UP. RIGHT. I DON'T SEE THAT. WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION AFTER THIS DISCUSSION. OTHER THAN WE'LL HAVE TO BE TAKING ACTION WITH SOME SORT OF A FUNDING FUNDING ACTION, PROBABLY GOING TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT BUYING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMMITMENT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO I JUST WANT THEM SO Y'ALL ARE OKAY TO PASS ON THIS ITEM AND NOT TAKE ACTION. NOT NO MOTIONS COMING OUT. OKAY. READY? OKAY. THEN, UH, NEXT [10. Raytan Smith; Discuss and consider receipt, transfer, and disposal of County owned assets. ] STEP, RAYLAND DISCUSS, CONSIDER RECEIPT TRANSFER AND DISPOSAL OF COUNTY OWNED ASSETS. OKAY. SO WE WILL AUCTION THOSE OFF ONLINE. GOOD MORNING. COME UP HERE AND GET RID OF THE TIRES. THE COUNTY PROPERTY TIRE. YEAH. UH, [01:05:01] ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAYLAND ON MATT? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DISPOSAL OF THAT, THOSE ITEMS FROM PRECINCT ONE MOTION. WE HAD THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SEGWIT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I WAS POSE. NO. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT STEP. JUDGE [11. Judge Wiley; Discuss/Consider/Approve Resolution for grant for Family Violence Prosecutor through Office of the Governor's Violence against Women Justice and Training Program - Grant # 3825303 ] WILDLY DISCUSSED, CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL RESOLUTION FOR GRANT APPLICATION FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE PROSECUTOR TO THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I BROUGHT THE NEXT AROUND HERE BY ME. THIS IS, THIS IS ASHLEY HOMELAND. I'M A REALLY WILDLY THE DA'S OFFICE. WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS GRANT AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO'S ACTUALLY EXECUTING THE GRANT. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, UM, ASHLEY TO COME. UM, WE ARE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, PAM QUARTER GAVE A LOT OF, UH, INTRO INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO I DON'T NEED TO BE REPETITIVE, BUT WE'RE HERE ON THE THIRD YEAR OF THAT GRANT CYCLE THAT WE GOT. SO CHANCES ARE ABOUT 95% WILL CONTINUE TO GET THE GRANT BECAUSE IT WAS A THREE YEAR. AND THIS WAS THE THIRD YEAR, 1920. AND ASHLEY WAS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB IN 19. SO WE'VE DONE 1920, 20, 21. AND THEN WE'RE GOING INTO 21, 22. YES. DO THE MATH EARLY. UH, JUST TO LET REMIND KAREN, CAUSE IT'S THE MONEY LADY THAT IT'LL BE A MONEY GRANT OR THEY CALL AN INCUMBENT. IT'S A MATCHING FUNDS GRANT AND THE AMOUNT OF 38,393, THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAST YEAR. IF IT'S APPROVED, I HAVE THE SOLUTION HERE, JUDGE RICHARD IS, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT? OKAY. SO I WANTED, UM, ASHLEY, IF YOU WOULD, I'LL STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT, CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND UM, I'VE JUST MADE HIM A COPY JUST TO LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, IN COVID YOU GO AHEAD. WE TALK ABOUT HOW THINGS SLOWED DOWN, BUT THIS WAS AN AREA THAT DIDN'T, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. EACH M AS JUDGE SAID, WE'RE GOING INTO GRANT CYCLE. WHAT WE CALL GRANT CYCLE THREE OF THREE ON THIS GRANT. WE STARTED IN OCTOBER OF 2019. UM, LATE IN THE MONTH WE GOT NOTIFIED AND I WOULD SAY NOW WE ARE REALLY HITTING OUR STRIDE. FINALLY, THAT GRANT WAS TO WHAT, UM, YOU ALL APPROVED FOR OUR SUBMISSION AND WHAT WE WERE AWARDED WAS FOR THE START OF A FAMILY VIOLENCE UNIT. AND SO I'M A FAMILY VIOLENCE UNIT IN A SPECIALIST. PROSECUTOR IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF AREAS, A LOT OF DA'S OFFICES HAVE IMPLEMENTED. UM, RESEARCH HAS SHOWN IT'S A BEST PRACTICE INTO APPROACHING PROSECUTING THESE CASES. AND SO, UM, THAT GRANT ESTABLISHED THE START OF THAT. AND, UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED THAT, AND AS I SAID ARE NOW MOVING INTO GRANT CYCLE THREE OF THREE IN ORDER TO SUBMIT OUR GRANT, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN YOUR COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE SUBMISSION OF THE GRANT AND ALSO THE CASH MATCH, UM, OF THE GRANT. AND SO, UM, WE ARE ASKING ESSENTIALLY TO CONTINUE FUNDING, UM, THE PROSECUTOR POSITION I WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT OUR GRANT GOALS ARE. UM, WE SAID THAT WE WANTED TO ESTABLISH THE POSITION OF THE PROSECUTOR, UM, THAT THIS UNIT WOULD NOW MAKE VICTIM CONTACT. WHEN WE RECEIVE A CASE IN OUR OFFICE VICTIM CONTACT WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO WHEN WE GET THAT CASE IN OUR OFFICE, THE VICTIM DOES NOT HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NEXT LEG OF THE PROCESS. WE CAN CONTACT WITHIN 24 HOURS, GET GOOD CONTACT INFORMATION AND POINT THEM TO RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, EFFECTIVELY PROSECUTE FAMILY VIOLENCE CASES, REFERRED TO THE DA'S OFFICE AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ON FAMILY VIOLENCE, STRANGULATION SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND STALKING. AND I INCLUDE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ALSO FALL IN THE UMBRELLA THAT I PROSECUTE, UM, LAST YEAR, UH, FOR 2020, WHERE YOU RECEIVED 524 CASES OF FAMILY VIOLENCE, UM, FOR THIS COUNTY. AND THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THE CLASS C OFFENSES THAT YOU OFTEN SEE AT THE JPS. THOSE ARE NUMEROUS AS WELL. INVOLVE FAMILY VIOLENCE ARE ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS, BUT THIS IS JUST OUR MISDEMEANOR THROUGH FELONY. UM, OVER TWO, UNDER THOSE OF WE'RE FILM, FELONY, FAMILY VIOLENCE OFFICES. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. I HANDLE THE FELONIES. AND THEN, UM, JUST TO POINT OUT THE NATURE OF THESE CASES OFTEN REQUIRES A HIGHER LEVEL OF DISCOVERY, UM, VICTIM CONTACT, AS YOU KNOW, AND, UM, CASE MANAGEMENT. AND I'VE PROVIDED A SNAPSHOT FOR 2019. WE AVERAGED AT 18 NEW CASES PER MONTH. AND IN 2020 WE AVERAGED 43. UM, WE TALK ABOUT COVID BEING ONE, UM, FACTOR, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS THAT D DV IS ON THEIR EYES. UM, BUT I RE I KNOW YOU AS COMMISSIONERS ALSO SEE THE POPULATION INCREASE AND WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I THINK COVID IS ONLY JUST ONE REASON THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS INCREASE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE IT, UM, ESPECIALLY THE EFFECTS OF COVID ON FAMILIES. UH, THOSE ARE FACTORS THAT LEAD INTO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY PROBABLY GOING TO SEE THOSE FOR YEARS TO COME IN A POPULATION INCREASE. AND SO I APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS DO TO SUPPORT THIS POSITION AND THIS GRANT. AND I HOPE FOR THE CONTINUED SUPPORT AND SHERIFF HAD SOMETHING WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY, HE'S ALSO SEEING AN INCREASE IN [01:10:05] AND WE'VE SEEN A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE PROSECUTION AND OUR HANDLING CASES A LOT EASIER, AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT BETTER. IT'S WORKING VERY WELL. THANKS FOR ALL MIRAGE AND FAMILY. WELL, AND ASHLEY WON'T BRAG, BUT IN THE QUARTER BEFORE WE GOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN BY OCA AND THE LAST QUARTER IN 2020, THE TWO CASES WE HAD A TRIAL ONE WAS A FAMILY VIOLENCE TRIAL, BOTH BOTH OF THEM ONE. AND THE ONE YOU TRIED, YOU KNOW, WE MADE A REASONABLE OFFER GETTING TAKE IT. SO THE COMMUNITY IS MAKING A COMMENT BACK BECAUSE THE SENTENCE THAT THAT DEFENDANT RECEIVED. SO WHAT WAS THE SENTENCE? IT WAS 40 YEARS. YEAH. SO THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ME OFF, BUT THE POINT BEING THAT SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB, IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST TO HEAR FROM ME, BUT TO SEE WHO'S IN THE TRENCHES 200 FELONY CASES, THERE'S A LOT OF FELONY WORK FOR ONE PERSON TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HEAR ABOUT THIS AGAIN, JUST KIND OF SIGNPOSTING IN JULY ON THE BUDGET, 200 CASES FROM ONE YOUNG, IT'D BE A LOT FROM WINNING A MAN'S 200 CASES. WE NEVER KNEW. I MEAN, REALLY, WE SAID WE HAD A PROBLEM. ALL THE MISDEMEANOR CASES STAY MISDEMEANOR. OBVIOUSLY THE CLASS C STAY THERE, WE HANDLE THE MISDEMEANOR. SHE HAS TWO OF HER OWN CASES. AND THOSE ARE THE MOST VIOLENT CASES WE'VE SEEN. JUDGE, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, UH, OR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, IN YOUR STATE OF GOALS, YOUR NUMBER FOUR GOALS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY. IT SEEMS LIKE PARTICULARLY WITH THE OBVIOUS INCREASE, THAT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY, UH, ADMIRABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT WE COULD RAMP UP, UH, A DV KIND OF EDUCATION. DUDE. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO THAT YOU CAN VERY SPECIFICALLY, YOU WILL SAY MS. HOME AT, ON FRIDAY AT THE LION'S CLUB AS A COMMUNITY SPEAKER IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANOTHER, OR YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PREVIEW IT LIKE THAT, OR WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? IS THAT THIS FRIDAY OR NEXT FRIDAY? THIS FRIDAY I FORGOTTEN. YEAH. WE'LL BE AT LIONS CLUB. YEAH, BUT IT'S UM, SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT, BUT WE DO SPEAK TO A LOT OF THE OTHER NONPROFITS THAT ARE KIND OF OUR PARTNER AGENCIES WITH THIS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S JUST PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BEEN PROHIBITED BECAUSE OF 2020 AND MEETING WITH COVID, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SHE ALSO DOES A LOT OF TRAINING HER WITH HER INVESTIGATOR GOES OUT WHEN THEY, IN THE, IN THE MORNING, A LOT OF TIMES, AND THEN WITH THE CID TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES, WE'VE GOT A KIND OF A BEST PRACTICE TOOLKIT WE'VE GOT PUT TOGETHER THAT HAS REALLY HELPED AND MADE THINGS A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE. IT'S IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE. I'M NOT JUST BRAGGING THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE HITTING THESE GOALS. THE FACT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO, BUT WE'RE, IT'S TAKEN ABOUT A GOOD YEAR TO HIT OUR STRIDE, WHERE FOR VICTIM COMES IN, WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTACTING HER WITHIN 24 HOURS, GETTING HER CONTACT INFORMATION, KNOWING HOW TO REACH HER, BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE FRANKLY IS THE OTHER SIDE, THE DEFENSE, THE DEFENDANT'S ATTORNEY WAS REACHING HIGHER, WHICH MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO PROSECUTE CASES. SO WE STILL HAVE THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, AND WE ARE GLAD TO GO AND SPEAK TO ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND WE ARE DOING THAT AS WE ARE RAMPING BACK UP WITH THE COLOR RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. JUDGE, WHAT ABOUT YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL? BECAUSE YOU'VE MENTIONED, AND I KNOW WE, WE HAVE A DEDICATED INVESTIGATOR, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. CAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ORIGINALLY, UM, HAVING A PART-TIME INVESTIGATOR, BUT YOU HAD SAID IT WASN'T GOING TO WORK AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DIDN'T WORK. SO WE HAVE A FULL-TIME INVESTIGATOR. UM, AND THAT HELPS A LOT WITH THESE CASES. AND SO THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS WERE DAY-LONG WITH, UM, THEIR DIFFERENT AGENCIES. I COULD LIST SOME, BUT I'LL PROBABLY LEAVE SOME OUT, BUT YOU WANT TO START? YES. SO, UM, FOREVER FAMILIES IS DOING GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY DIRECTOR, UM, GENESIS WOMEN'S CENTERS AND OTHER SHELTER WE COMMONLY REFER TO THERE'S ANOTHER SHELTER RIGHT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. SOMEBODY THAT TALKS FASTER THAN ME. I MEAN, GOOD LORD. SORRY. UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER KEY NONPROFIT, UM, OBVIOUSLY GENESIS IN DALLAS, WE'VE DONE REFERRAL TO, UM, THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL IN DOING FORENSIC INTERVIEWS FOR CHILDREN WHO WERE THERE AT A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WHICH IS A NEW CONCEPT THAT IS CHANGING THE SHAPE OF PROSECUTION, QUITE FRANKLY. AND THESE KIDS ARE VICTIMS, THEY'RE SEEING IT. UM, UH, AND THEY ARE ALSO OFFERING COUNSELING TO FAMILIES IN A DV SITUATION. AND ALSO COMMISSIONER KATE'S JUST WANTED TO, FOR, FOR, WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC NUMBERS ON TRAINING, WE GOT TO TRAIN, DO EIGHT DIFFERENT LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAININGS, UM, DURING COVID, WHICH, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND HAVE MORE PLANNED EVEN WITH SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMING UP. AND, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE SHUTDOWN AT ONE, UM, COMMUNITY TRAINING AND THAT WAS IN CRANDALL FOR A CIVIC, UM, TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO DO MORE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR FAMILIES, THE COMMITTED ROOM THAT SHE'S TRYING TO GET FOR THE FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO GO. SO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TAKES IN [01:15:01] A WOMAN OR THERE'S AN INCIDENT. THEY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE HER THERE AND THERE'LL BE A COMMITTED ROOM FOR HER. SO LEAVING AN OPEN AND HAVING IT, JUST TO TAKE THESE LADIES, CAUSE WHAT IS THAT? IT SAYS IF THEY HAVE CONTACTS AND THEY GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE, THEY'RE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO KEEP THE CASE GOING. SO YEAH, FOREVER FAMILIES AND OTHER AGENCIES IN OUR COUNTY ARE DOING AMAZING WORK AND ALSO TRYING TO PUSH THEIR EFFORTS. AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT US BEING ABLE TO DO THAT FROM A PROSECUTION PERSPECTIVE ALONGSIDE THESE COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO ARE MOVING FORWARD IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. AND PAM DOES A GOOD JOB WITH ALL THESE GRANTS AND COORDINATING, BUT IN THE END IT JUST REALLY HELPS TO MAKE FOR MORE SUCCESSFUL CASE. THE MORE PROACTIVE WE CAN BE. IT JUST, IT MAKES IT BETTER. WE'RE SEEING GOOD RESULTS. IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UH, I GUESS EDUCATION OR I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD TRAINING, BUT UH, EDUCATION IN OUR SCHOOLS TO TRY AND BREAK THIS CYCLE, TRYING TO HELP WITH THIS. SO WE SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE GRANT, WE CANNOT TRAIN. THAT'S ACTUALLY A PROVISION THAT I CAN NOT CREATE CURRICULUM FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN. UM, I, I DO NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, UH, TRAINING TEACHERS TO SPOT ISSUES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY CURRICULUM OUT THERE. AND, UM, THOSE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TRAININGS THAT I COULD SEE IN THE FUTURE. OTHER NONPROFITS CAN GO INTO THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY'RE INVITED IN. YOU TYPE THE CAC THAT WERE ON THE BOARD. THEY CAN GO ON THE SCHOOL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU SHARE WITH KIDS, A LOT OF TIMES, EMOTIONAL ABUSE IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO SAY, BUT FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT. BUT IF YOU GET IN THERE AND EXPLAIN THAT THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE MOM AND DAD DO, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY TIMES WHEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE GO INTO THE SCHOOLS, HOW MANY OUTCRIES YOU GET AFTER THAT? AND JUST LIKE ASHLEY SAID, THE UNIQUE THING THAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS THAT THE CAC AND LAW ENFORCEMENTS REALIZE THAT THAT PERSON IS A WITNESS AND WHO'S GOING TO GET THE BEST FORENSIC INFORMATION. IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR FORENSIC INTERVIEWER AT THE CAC. SO IT PRESERVES THAT INFORMATION. SO WHEN WE GO TO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND THEY SAY, WELL, NOBODY SAW THIS AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE GOT AN INTERVIEW. WHY DON'T YOU GO SIT IN THIS ROOM AND WATCH IT, OR FOR US TO SIT IN THE HALLWAY, WHATEVER, OR WHEREVER WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SHEET. IT REALLY, IT REALLY, UH, I USED TO, THIS WAS KIND OF CLOSE TO MY HEART BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE CONDUCTED THESE KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NATIONAL TRAGEDY REALLY, BUT IT REALLY OUTSIDE THE KIND OF PURVIEW OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, MORE IN PAM'S ARENA. MAYBE WE ALSO OUGHT TO TRY TO LOOK AND TRY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF, UH, UH, A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO, TO BOTH, UH, ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE ROOT CAUSES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BUT ALSO TO ALERT OUR COMMUNITY, THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND IN THIS COUNTY ARE COMMITTED TO PROSECUTING THESE KINDS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE I, I BELIEVE I'M A BELIEVER IN DETERRENT. SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, AGAIN, ASHLEY GOT A 40 YEAR CONVICTION AND THERE WASN'T A VICTIM THERE BECAUSE HE HAD THREATENED HER IF SHE TESTIFIED. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT'S CALLED FORFEITURE BY WRONGDOING. SO FORFEITURE BY WRONGDOING. SO WE GOT THE STATEMENT IN WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN NORMALLY HEARSAY AND THE JURY BELIEVED THAT THE JUDGE RULED APPROPRIATELY. SO THAT STATEMENT CAME IN. SO WE, EVEN IF THEY DON'T WANNA PARTICIPATE, WE'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. AND SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE THOUGHT THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY IS A UNIQUE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE GENEROSITY OF THE CITIZENS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY. AND MOST OF YOU GUYS IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR PRICINGS HAS A NONPROFIT, THAT'S DOING SOMETHING TO WORK WITH THESE CHILDREN, OF COURSE, NEAR AND DEAR COMMISSIONER HUNT IS A CHILDREN'S SHELTER. THOSE ARE KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE THAT LEVEL OF USE HAS GOTTEN SO HEIGHTENED. AND SO WE HAVE FOREVER FAMILIES. SO WE HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING FOR CHILDREN, DYLAN, WITH THE WOMEN, AS PAM HAS SAID, SO WE HAVE IT. AND THEN OF COURSE, MOST OF THE CHURCHES ARE INTERESTED AS WELL. SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND MAYBE SOME TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER GET ALONG, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE THAT FOR US TO COME TO YOUR PRECINCT AND FOR US TO GO INTO YOURS AND TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT TOPIC AND PEOPLE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF IT. YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN. AND JUST, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT ASHLEY SAID. WE CAME TO Y'ALL TWO YEARS AGO. I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW ASHLEY WAS GOING TO BE THE PERSON THAT'S HOME AND SAID, I NEED THIS. YOU ALL SAID YES. AND IT WAS A GREAT DECISION BECAUSE YOU SAID YES, AND THERE WAS MONEY INVOLVED IN A FINANCIAL MATCH. AND THAT YES HAS HELPED BECAUSE WE WOULD BE IN BAD SHAPE RIGHT NOW IF WE DIDN'T HAVE HER, BECAUSE THE CASES WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE REGARDLESS OF A FAMILY VIOLENCE PROSECUTOR. SO MICHELLE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. SO THE MATTER BEFORE US IS, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION [01:20:02] TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THAT GRANT APPLICATION FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE PROSECUTOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND FISHER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES. UH, KAREN BADGLEY [12. Karen Badgley, Discuss/Consider/Approve Department of Family and Protective Services Grant Contract. ] DISCUSSED, CONSIDER APPROVED DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES, GRANT CONTRACT. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO COME DOWN HERE? CAN LESLIE MAY COME UP TO THE PODIUM? UM, LESLIE IS OUR CPS. LESLIE ODOM IS OUR CPS PROSECUTOR, JUVENILE PROSECUTOR. AND SO THIS KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THIS ITEM. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COURT TO DO IS TO APPROVE THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES GRANT CONTRACT. BUT I WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKSTORY ABOUT THIS CONTRACT BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, UM, KAUFMAN COUNTY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH JUSTICE BENEFITS, INC. WE CALL IT JBI AND THEY ARE A COMPANY THAT IS A GOVERNMENT CONSULTING FIRM. AND SO WHAT WE ENTERED INTO IS A CONTRACT FOR THIS COMPANY TO HELP KAUFMAN COUNTY GET GRANT MONEY, PRIMARILY IN THE FORM OF REIMBURSEMENT, FROM MONIES THAT THE COUNTY HAS SPENT. AND LESLIE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH IN DETAIL IN JUST A FEW MINUTES ABOUT THE MONEY THAT THE COUNTY SPENDS ON CPS AND A FAMILY PROSECUTION, BUT FOR JBI TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH US, TO GET MONEY FROM DSPS, WHICH IS THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES HERE IN TEXAS, WE HAVE TO SIGN INTO, WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, A GRANT CONTRACT WITH DSPS. AND SO ONCE WE ENTER INTO THAT GRANT CONTRACT WITH DSPS, THEN JB, I CAN WORK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY TO GET FUNDING AND REIMBURSEMENT AND GRANTS TO THE COUNTY. THERE IS NO COST TO THE KAUFMAN COUNTY IN ANY WAY. THE WAY JBI IS PAID IS ANY REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE GET FROM THE GOVERNMENT DIVA FPS, UM, JBI TAKES 22% OF THAT AFTER WE RECEIVED THOSE FUNDS RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT RECEIVING ANY GRANT OR CONTRACT REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED CONVOLUTED PROCESS TO GET, TO BASICALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE SYSTEM IN PLACE TO GET THAT GRANT AND REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS. SO WHAT JBI DOES FOR THE COUNTY IS THEY DO ALL OF, THEY PUT ALL OF THE, UM, MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR US TO CAPTURE THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO CAPTURE FOR JBI TO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION TO DSPS FOR US TO GET THE REIMBURSEMENT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. SO THERE'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY. IT'S ONLY A BENEFIT. UM, IT REDUCES OUR FUNDS BY ABOUT 22%, BUT WE STILL GET 78% OF FUNDING THAT WE WOULD NOT GET REIMBURSED OTHERWISE. AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COURT TO APPROVE TODAY AT, AFTER LESLIE GETS FINISHED WITH SOME OF HER INFORMATION IS IT'S A REALLY CONVOLUTED CONTRACT THAT YOU ENTER INTO WITH DSPS, MEANING THEY REQUIRE A TON OF INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY. KAREN MCLEOD HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS AND SHE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND PROCESSES TOGETHER THIS NEXT WEEK. IF WE APPROVE THIS, I'M GOING TO BE ASKING COUNTY JUDGE RICHARDS TO SIGN AND NOTARIZE OR SIGNIFY SOME INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY. IT'S ALL INFORMATION-BASED, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO WE'RE ASKING THE COURT AT THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION TO APPROVE, UM, THIS CONTRACT AND DO IT AND TO, UH, ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THROUGH GETTING ALL THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED TO DSPS TO ENTER INTO THIS CONTRACT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK LESLIE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AT LEAST A DOZEN DIFFERENT, UM, CONTRACT DOCUMENTATION FROM THE FPS, THE MONEY, IF YOU WERE TO KIND OF MAP OUT WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION CREATED A FUND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT YEARS AGO, UM, TO BEST, UH, TO ASSIST OUR KIDDOS IN FOSTER CARE TO PROVIDE THEM, UM, PROVIDE FOR THE FOSTER FAMILIES, PROVIDE TRAINING FOR THEM, PROVIDE EDUCATION FOR THEM FUNDING DIRECTLY TO THE KIDDOS THEMSELVES. SO IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF MAKING LIFE BETTER, UM, THE PROSPECT'S BETTER FOR OUR KIDDOS THAT ARE IN CARE, MAKE THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS AROUND THEM BETTER. THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, THOSE STAFF EMPLOYED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE PART OF MY SALARY THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED POTENTIALLY. IT WOULD BE MY CO-COUNSEL. IT WOULD BE OUR INVESTIGATOR. IT WOULD BE OUR SUPPORT STAFF. IT WOULD BE TRAINING FOR ME. UM, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS, [01:25:01] IT WOULD BE FOR SUPPLIES. UM, IT WOULD COVER THOSE COSTS. IT WOULD ALSO THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, IT, THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE ATTORNEYS THAT REPRESENT THE PARENTS, UM, DURING THE TERMINATION CASES. AND IT PROVIDES REIMBURSEMENT TO THE COUNTY FOR THOSE ATTORNEYS THAT REPRESENT THE CHILDREN IN THOSE CASES. SO WITH CPS CASES, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ALL OF THE CPS CASES. UM, THERE'S A RANGE OF COURT INVOLVEMENT FROM COURT INVOLVED INVESTIGATIONS TO THOSE KIDDOS POST-TERMINATION THAT ARE BASICALLY BEING RAISED IN CARE, EITHER LOOKING FOR FOSTER FAMILIES TO ADOPT THEM OR TO AGE OUT SO THAT THROUGH THE SUPERVISED INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAM. SO I'M NOT COUNTING THOSE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. IT'S GOING TO BE THOSE TEMPORARY MANAGING CONSERVATORSHIP CASES. UM, AND JUST SOME NUMBERS, JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POTENTIAL BENEFIT COULD BE. UM, ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE CASES ARE BEING PAID A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR THEIR TIME IN COURT AND OUT, UM, THEY'RE REIMBURSED FOR THEIR MILEAGE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UM, SO YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY GIVE OR TAKE ABOUT 55 MANAGING CONSERVATORSHIP CASES OPEN RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 130, 130 CHILDREN. SO EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE REPRESENTATION. YOU WOULD SAY MAYBE, WELL, MAYBE THERE'S A SIBLING GROUP. SO IT MIGHT BE THE ATTORNEYS NOT BEING, HAVING TO BILL AS MUCH FOR A SIBLING GROUP, BUT YES, YOU STILL HAVE TO EAT. YOU HAVE TO TALK TO EACH KIDDO. SO YOU'RE YEAH. UM, THAT ALSO EQUATES TO 98 PARENTS. SO THEN YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY FOR EACH ONE OF THEM. SO I KNOW THAT KAREN'S DONE SOME NUMBERS FOR US. UM, MAYBE IN THE PACKET THAT THIS KAREN PROVIDED TO YOU, THERE'S SOME BACK NUMBERS FROM 2019 SO THAT YOU CAN SEE NOT JUST WHAT OUR SALARIES LOOK LIKE, INVESTIGATOR MINE, UH, SUPPORT STAFF, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT THE, THE COUNTY IS PAYING FOR THIS. UM, AND BEST I CAN TELL THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE, UM, THE MONEY IS THERE. WE JUST NEED TO TAP INTO IT. JBI CAME FORWARD, THEIR SPECIALTY IS THIS SORT OF CONTRACT, UM, AND CAVEAT NEW LEGISLATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020. I THINK KAREN'S GOING TO HAVE TO START KEEPING THESE NUMBERS AND REPORTING THEM ANYWAYS. SO WE'RE GOING TO START GATHERING THE INFORMATION. NOW, ENTER INTO THIS CONTRACT, START BEING REIMBURSED FOR IT. AND KAREN BLESS HER HEART. SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS ANYWAY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE A DOWNSIDE TO IT. UM, I'M RELYING ON KAREN'S REVIEW OF ALL THE DOCUMENTATION. IT'S SO MANY AND THE COST, THE COST THAT LESLIE IS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE PROVIDING COUNSEL FOR THE PARENTS, FOR THE CHILDREN, THAT'S MANDATED, THAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW. WE HAVE NO CHOICE IN DOING THAT. SO WE HAVE TO DO IT ANY WAY. SO WE MIGHT WISH WE, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET ANY MONEY AS WE CAN BACK. YES. BECAUSE THE HISTORY IS, AS YOU, AS A LOT OF Y'ALL HAVE KNOWN IS THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T INDIGENT, THEN OF COURSE IT'S NOT. BUT MOST OF THE FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE THAT WHEN THEIR CHILDREN REMOVED AT CPS WERE REQUIRED AND WE FIGURED OUT THAT WE FILED TERMINATION. SO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, YOUR TYPICAL, WHEN I WAS THE JUDGE IN THAT PRESIDING COURT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR TO FIVE ATTORNEYS PER CASE. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TWO KIDS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE ATTORNEYS FOR THE PARENTS, THE TWO FATHERS, THE MOTHER, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CHILDREN AND THEN OUR ATTORNEY. SO THAT'S EVERY CASE. AND THOSE ATTORNEYS ARE REQUIRED TO COME TO MANDATED HEARINGS AND CPS THERE'S LIKE, LESLIE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SO THEY'RE ENTITLED TO AN ATTORNEY FROM THE BEGINNING. I WILL TELL YOU JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK I HAVE MAYBE TWO OR THREE CASES THAT HAVE RETAINED COUNSEL ON THEM. SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IS GOING IF THEY APPLY, SOME PEOPLE DON'T COME IN AND APPLY, BUT EVERY CASE IS GOING TO HAVE THAT NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS ON IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, THERE'S AN INITIAL BEGINNING HEARING THERE'S ABOUT TWO OR THREE IN THE MIDDLE THAT ARE STATUTORILY REQUIRED. AND THEN YOU HAVE A COURSE OF THE TRIAL OR THE FINAL HEARING, WHATEVER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE TRIAL BY JURY OR, OR A BENCH TRIAL. AND THEN YOU ADD ALL THE OTHER VARIOUS THINGS THAT DEFENSE ATTORNEYS CAN DO. FILE MOTIONS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL HEARINGS. SO IT'S AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF IN-COURT TIME. IT'S AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF OUT OF COURT TIME. CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET, YOU'RE PAYING OBVIOUSLY FOR THE CONSULTATION WITH THE PARENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS. UM, AND IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION FOR THESE PARENTS THAT'S REQUIRED. UM, I DID DO PRIVATE PRACTICE PRIOR TO COMING HERE. THESE, THIS CLIENT BASE IS A NEEDY CLIENT BASE. UM, YOU HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME EDUCATING THEM, COUNSELING THEM ON THE RIGHT THING TO DO WHAT NOT TO DO, DO THEIR SERVICES. NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A PHONE CALL HERE AND THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF BILLABLE HOURS, RIGHT IN THE LONG RUN, THEN A CRIMINAL CASE WHERE THE JUDGES HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB SAYING I CAN MANAGE THIS DOCKET BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE, UH, AN INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MEET WITH YOUR CLIENT. AND THEN I'M ONLY, I'M ONLY GOING TO PAY 500. I'LL JUST MAKE THAT NUMBER ARBITRARY. YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY HAS TO FOLLOW THE LEAD [01:30:01] OF THEIR CLIENT, WHO MY SITE WON'T. I MEAN, YOU ARE ASKING A LOT OF CASES FOR THESE PARENTS' RIGHTS TO BE TERMINATED, WHICH IS THE DEATH PENALTY AND FAMILY LAW TO THEIR CHILDREN. SO WE LITERALLY ARE REMOVING CHILDREN FROM ABUSIVE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THESE ARE THEIR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS. SO Y'ALL KNOW HOW HOT THAT GETS. AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND, AND KAREN KNOWS, HISTORICALLY WE HAVE THE, UM, THE MONEY THAT'S SPENT ON CPS CASES HAS BEEN IN QUESTION MANY TIMES BEFORE, BY MANY COMMISSIONERS COURTS, WHAT'S THIS FOR? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO DOWNSIZE IT? AND I THINK THIS WAS A SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT MY COURSE OF BEING IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF UNFUNDED MANDATE FROM THE STATE PART OF THIS CAME THROUGH WITH THE T I D C, WHERE I HAVE TO PUT ALL THE ATTORNEYS THAT WE PAY, HOW MANY CASES, WHERE THEY FELONIES, WHERE THEIR APPEALS OR THEY MISDEMEANORS AND HOW MUCH I PAID THEM. AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND WANT TO KNOW THE WHOLE EXPENSE FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE NEXT DOOR. AND THEN THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY CASES AND IN WHAT COURT. SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE RECORDS FOR THAT REPORT. AND THEN NOW THEY'VE COME BACK AND SAY, ALL THE CPS IS YOUR CPS ATTORNEY FEES RUN OVER 200, SOME THOUSAND EVERY YEAR THEY GET THAT NUMBER, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ATTORNEYS ARE BEING PAID. HOW MANY CASES, HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE INVOLVED. SO NOW THEY'RE WANTING THAT INFORMATION TO, WE NEED SOFTWARE. THAT'S GOING TO TRACK SOME OF THIS BECAUSE MY SPREADSHEETS ARE GETTING VERY TIRED. UH, OKAY. SO, UH, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE OR JUDGE WILEY, KAREN ABOUT THIS? ALRIGHT, THEN WHAT'S, BEFORE US WOULD BE LOOKING FOR EMOTION, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, ENTERING INTO THAT, UH, SERVICES CONTRACT. SO THAT MOTION, WE HAVE THE EMOTIONAL FISHER IN CASE. IS THERE A SECOND? NO. SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED. NO MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. [13. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line item transfers. ] NOW WE GO TO THE AUDITOR DISCUSS CONSIDER LINE ITEM TRANSFERS. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRANSFERS I HAD TO ESTABLISH THE CARRY OVER FOR THE COVID FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED. SO THAT'S PART OF IT, WHAT WE HAD TO DO TO MAKE THAT WORK. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE LINE I'M TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED I'LL MAKE UP? WE HAD EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THOSE IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES STICKS [14. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment. ] TO THE AUDITOR WITH CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT, YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR MILLION $655,222 AND 66 CENTS. YOU HAVE A PAYROLL OF 1,000,360 2005 OH EIGHT OH NINE FOR A TOTAL OF 3 MILLION, $17,730 AND 75 CENTS. QUESTION FOR THE AUDITOR. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIM FOR PAYMENT AS PRESENTED? MAKE A MOTION? WE HAVE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER BARBERS, OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, MR. HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES. NOW. UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, JUST TO DISCUSS MATTERS RELATED TO REAL PROPERTY UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE FIVE 51.072. AND THIS REFERS TO THIS DISCUSSION. WE'LL CIRCLE AROUND THE ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA. UM, AND SO I, IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE, UH, KAREN BADGLEY, KAREN MCLEOD, UH, RAELYNN AND JERRY, AND WE HAVE AN, UH, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY PRESENT. THAT'S GOING TO BE HERE WITH US ALSO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AS WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBERS OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, MR. CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. [01:35:02] THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, LAURA. IT'S NOT SCRIPTED ON BACK. OKAY. UH, WE'RE UH, BACK BACK ON THE AIR, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO LEAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND COME BACK INTO, UH, UH, OPEN SESSION. OH, AM I GOOD MOTION? WE HAVE MOTION COMES FROM BARBERS OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I SUPPOSE NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES. UM, THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T HEAR ANY MOTIONS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO THAT BRINGS US TO MR. PHILLIPS. I THINK YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WITH YOUR NAME ON IT. YES. I NOTICED THAT [15. Commissioner Phillips; Adjourn Regular Meeting ] AS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING, WE HAVE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO ADJOURN IS OUR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED. NO MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE DONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.