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[Call to Order]
THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE COFFIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT CALLED THE ORDER.TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY 20TH, 2021 9:00 AM.
AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM LOCATED IN THE COURTHOUSE, ANNEX AND COFFIN.
UH, WELCOME TO EVERYBODY THIS MORNING.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, UH, A ROOM FULL OF INTERESTED FOLKS.
UH, WE'LL START OFF OUR MEETING AS ALWAYS, UH, WE'LL ASK PASTOR KYLON ALL FOR AN INVOCATION.
AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.
IS, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND GOOD MORNING, FATHER, WE THANK YOU LORD, THAT YOU'RE HERE TO LEAD AND GUIDE AND DIRECT US THROUGHOUT THE DAYS OF THIS FOOTSTEPS.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS TIME FATHER, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HAND TO PROTECTION HAS BEEN PLACED TO WALWORTH COUNTY TO PROTECT US AND KEEP US SAFE AND OUT OF HARM'S WAY WHILE WE THANK YOU FATHER FOR THE GROWTH THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO OUR COUNTY AND THAT IT'S DONE IN THE WAY THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE DONE, ACCORDING TO YOUR DESIRE AND YOUR WILL FATHER.
AGAIN, WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE, THE HONOR, AND THE GLORY.
AND WE ASK THIS IN THE WONDERFUL, PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
THIS IS ALSO THE TIME THAT WE WOULD MAKE NOTE IN OUR AGENDA THAT WE WOULD HEAR COMMENTS FROM VISITORS, UM, ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
I DO HAVE A, I DO HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PARTICULAR ITEM COMES UP, WHICH WILL BE A, THIS WILL THERE'LL BE OFFERED THE SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S COMING UP LATER IN THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, ITEM ONE ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE TO OFFER? UH, OKAY
[2. CONSENT AGENDA]
THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO, WE HAVE ITEM A, B AND C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.UH, WOULD ANY COMMISSIONER CARE TO SPEAK ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR IS IF NOT, WOULD THERE BE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED? OH, MY GOOD MOTION.
THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND SEC COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THAT WAS IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[3. Extension Office; Present/Accept the Extension Office monthly report for June 2021.]
NEXT UP EXTENSION OFFICE TO PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE THE EXTENSION OFFICE MONTHLY REPORT FOR JUNE, 2021 MORNING.HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO, UH, THIS REPORT IS FOR JUNE, UH, THE EXTENSION SERVICE REALLY JUST KIND OF, I GUESS, MAY AND JUNE WERE OUR MONTHS TO START COMING OUT OF COVID AND, UH, GO BACK TO WHAT WE CALL NORMAL LIFE, UH, AND START PUTTING TOGETHER PLANS, THE AG PROGRAM.
UM, WE HAD, UH, OH, I HAD SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS INCLUDING, UH, THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME WE HAD A LIVESTOCK FOREST COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE PLANNED A PROGRAM THAT IS GOING ON TODAY.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT STARTS AT 10 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.
WE'RE GIVEN FIVE HOURS TO SEE USE AWAY.
WE PLAN THAT LAST MONTH AND, UH, UH, WITH A LITTLE HAMBURGER THING AT CORDELL'S FEED STORE, UH, AND HAD A FULL STATE SLATE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS SHOW UP FOR THAT ALSO DID, UH, IN JUNE A NEW, A NEW THING THAT I WAS, UH, ACTUALLY CONTACTED BY COLLEGE STATION TO, UH, START WRITING OR EMERGENCY WHERE THEY ACTUALLY OFFERED TO HELP KAUFMAN COUNTY WRITE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AS IT, UM, APPLIES TO ANIMALS IN THE, UH, COUNTY CASE, WE WERE TO EVER HAVE A DISASTER.
UM, COMMISSIONER HUNT WAS THERE.
KATIE WAS THERE AND, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAD A PRESENCE, A CALL FROM POLICE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS THERE.
AND, UH, A BIG CONTINGENCY FROM CO FROM COLLEGE STATION CAME OF VETERINARIAN STUDENTS.
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I HAVE SEEN THE FIRST DRAFT THEY'VE ACTUALLY SENT THE FIRST DRAFT OF THAT BACK TO US ALREADY.AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WRITE ON THAT, UH, AS THEY GO FORWARD OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND I EXPECT FOR THIS TO BE A GOOD THING FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, WHEN IT'S ALL PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE THINGS IN THIS COUNTY THAT COULD HELP IN CASE WE EVER HAVE AN EMERGENCY TORNADO, FLOOD EVENTS, FIRE, YOU NAME IT, THAT THAT'S A DISASTER.
HOPEFULLY THIS PLAN WILL BE WRITTEN ON PAPER WHERE, UH, UH, WE'LL KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN IT HAPPENS.
OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS REAL QUICKLY.
UH, I I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE FERAL HOG TRAPS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WE HAVE ONE OF THEM SET UP RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT OPERATIONAL.
THE OTHER ONE IS AT OUR OFFICE AND Y'ALL WOULD KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE TRAPS NOW FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS, UH, CAME FROM A GRANT FROM TEXAS FARM AGRICULTURE.
UH, WE HAVE, WE APPLIED FOR THEM.
Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GRACIOUS TO PUT A PRETTY BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR, UH, TO DO FERAL HOG PROGRAMMING AND TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THIS FERAL HOG TRAP PROGRAM.
WELL, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, THE TRAPS ARE BOTH BROKEN AT THE MOMENT, THE NEW TO FIX THEM.
ONE OF THEM WOULD COST $3,600.
THE OTHER WOULD COST $2,550 TO FIX.
UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE LAST YEAR ABLE TO REALLY GET THE PUBLIC ON BOARD WITH THIS PROGRAM.
THEY, THEY'RE HARD, IT'S A HARD PROGRAM TO DO THAT.
I GET IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HEAVY AND THEY'RE HARD TO MOVE AND THEY'RE HARD TO PUT UP AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND SO, SO WE REALLY HAVE, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON TWO PEOPLE WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THE COUNTY'S MONEY.
UH, I'M FIXING TO LEAVE OCTOBER 31ST.
I WOULD HATE TO LEAVE THIS HEADACHE TO THE NEXT PERSON I CAN'T.
UH, MY PARTICULAR FEELING IS, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD AUCTION THESE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE TRAPS OFF, LET THE PUBLIC BIOME AND, UH, UH, AND GO FROM THERE.
THEY CAN FIX THEM, THEIR SALES.
AND THAT'S MY PARTICULAR FEELING.
IF ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THAT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM IT.
UH, THEY ARE PROPERTY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, NOT DO YOU HAVE THE KAUFMAN COUNTY? THERE'S THAT THERE'S THE GRANT WAS TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY, UH, THERE, THERE Y'ALL'S PROPERTY, THERE'S TRAPS THERE'S TRAILERS TO HAUL THEM ON.
AND THEN THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT GO WITH THEM TO HELP PUT THEM TOGETHER AND MAINTAIN THEM.
UM, THAT'S KINDA HOW, HOW THEY WERE EACH ONE OF THOSE TRAPS COST $6,000 BASICALLY.
AND THEN THE TRAILERS WERE $750 A PIECE THAT, THAT WENT ON, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD BIT OF MONEY TIED UP IN EACH ONE OF THOSE TRAPS.
AND WE FAR AS TO KEEP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, IN MY OPINION IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST USE OF KNOW.
WELL, IF THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT COULD, THEY, THEY COULD PRESENT THAT TO US AS A, THEY DO, WE DO FREQUENTLY.
WE HAVE THAT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TO DISPOSE OF COUNTY PROPERTY.
SO, UM, SHE COULD PUT THAT TO US AND WE COULD DECIDE WHETHER TO DO OR NOT.
UM, I HAD A SHORT MONTH, UNFORTUNATELY IN JUNE, I WAS CALLED, UM, TO MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE WHO HAD EMERGENCY HEART SURGERY.
AND SO WE WERE THERE FOR TWO WEEKS IN OHIO.
SO MY REPORT IS A LITTLE SHORT AND THAT'S THE REASON I WAS TAKING CARE OF FAMILY.
SO, UM, MY COMMITTEE DID, WAS ABLE TO MEET SINCE WE OPENED UP TRULY FACE-TO-FACE AND SENT MY BACK TO NORMAL ON, UM, ON JUNE 1ST.
SO, UH, MY COMMITTEE DID MEET AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS WAS THERE.
AND WE, UH, TALKED ABOUT HOW WE COULD REALLY, UM, GET PEOPLE RE INTERESTED IN THE, UM, FAMILY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH PLANS, UM, AND PROGRAMS. SO HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT SOME, UM, GOOD PROGRAMS COMING UP.
UM, I HAVE MENTIONED THE WELL CHURCH AND COMMUNITY CONFERENCE PROJECT, AND, UM, WE'RE NOW SEEKING CHURCHES TO JOIN THAT PROJECT WITH US AND, UM, THE, UM, RURAL TEXAS WELLNESS PROGRAM, UH, PROJECT WHERE I RECEIVED THE $2,000 GRANT.
UM, WE WILL HAVE THOSE CLASSES IN, UM, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING, UH, A BIG
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PROGRAM THERE.SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'VE MAINTAINED A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT TRAINING AND, UM, FOR TWO WEEKS, THAT'S ALL I DID.
SO THE, UH, THE FOUR H PROGRAM, LIKE EVERY MONTH, IT WAS VERY ACTIVE IN JUNE, UH, SEEMED LIKE JUNE WAS HORSESMOUTH TO BE QUITE HONEST, WE, WE HAD THE DISTRICT HORSE SHOW, UH, WHICH, UH, HAPPENED IN SULFUR SPRINGS.
WE HAD A LOT OF KIDS FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM.
AGAIN, I'M TICKLED TO DEATH TO SEE THAT, UH, I ACTUALLY CALLED A COW HORSE CLASS AT THAT.
UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS GET TO BE FUN, SOME OF THEM AREN'T, BUT SOME GET TO BE, UH, THE, UH, KAUFLIN HORSE CLUB GOT A $2,000 GRANT, UH, FROM THE TEXAS FOUR H FOUNDATION TO PUT ON A HORSE CLINIC THAT WAS DONE ON AT THE HORSE FACILITY ON FM 27, 28, UH, VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL HORSE CLINIC.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PARTICIPANTS IN IT.
UH, IT WAS HOT AND I SAT OUT THERE ON A TRAILER AND WATCHED WITH IT, BUT, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF FUN ALSO.
UM, WE HAD A RECORD BOOK JUDGING THAT ALL OF US HAD TO GO TO RECORD BOOK JUDGING IN DALLAS AND JUDGE MUCH RECORD BOOKS FROM ALL OVER THE DISTRICT.
A CALL FROM THE COUNTY HAD, UH, NINE BOOKS THAT QUALIFIED FOR THE DISTRICT DEAL AND THREE OF THOSE IN THE SENIOR LEVEL, UH, OR GOING ON TO THE STATE COMPETITION, EXTREMELY GOOD BOOKS AND, UH, PRETTY PROUD OF THOSE KIDDOS AS CARRIE WOULD SAY.
UM, IF SHE WAS HERE, SHE WOULD TELL YOU ABOUT A LOT OF THE MORE THINGS THAT THEY DID THE CLUBS MEET EVERY WEEK.
I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF GETTING AFTER IT AND, UH, EVERYBODY'S AND GOING, NOT HAVING TO WEAR A MASK AND GO PLACES ABOUT THIS AT A TIME AT A TIME.
UM, THERE'S SINCE THERE'S THREE OF US AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR US TO, UH, GO THROUGH THIS REPORT INDIVIDUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT ONLY ONE OF US APPEAR MONTHLY AND GIVE THE ENTIRE REPORT FOR AN EX EXPEDIA EXPEDIENT TIME, GIVING YOU A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DO OTHER THINGS, IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOU, BE OKAY WITH ME.
ONE OF US HITTING HIGHLIGHTS IF THAT'S OKAY.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE YOU GO THAT, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES FOR THE KIDS IN THIS COUNTY.
AND, UH, AND SECONDLY, I THINK SOMETIMES IT GETS LOST THAT, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY STILL HAS A VERY, UH, ACTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, OR OUR HAY PRODUCTION IN THIS COUNTY ALONE IS, UH, GENERATES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR HAVE ABOUT $80 MILLION IS, ARE AG RECEIPTS FOR THIS COUNTY.
SO WILL IT'LL VARY BETWEEN 70 AND 90 MILLION EVERY YEAR IS OUR ACCURACY.
NO, I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
UH, AND I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION.
I KNOW YOU'RE, UH, EASING INTO RETIREMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU, BOTH AS A COMMISSIONER, AS WELL AS PARTICIPATING IN A MASTER GARDENER PROGRAM.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR REPORT TO GET OUT.
UH, WE SEE, UH, SO WE DON'T NORMALLY TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT.
THAT WAS, LET'S SAY IT IS PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? THE REPORT IS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEC, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM FOR
[4. Chuck Mohnkern; Present/Accept the Treasurer's monthly report for June 2021,]
A TRIP MONCUR AND COUNTY TREASURER PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE.THE TREASURER'S MONTHLY REPORT FOR JUNE, 2021 WARNING JUDGES AND COMMISSIONERS.
SIR, WE STARTED OUT, UH, JUNE WITH THE CASH IN FUND 10 OF 27 MILLION, 1 61, 8 47 AND 67 CENTS RECEIPTS.
DURING THE MONTH OF 15 MILLION 7 5340 DISBURSEMENTS OF 18 MILLION, 9 92, 4 44, GIVING US AN ENDING CASH BALANCE AND FUND 10 OF 23,922,444.
THE INTEREST ON AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK ACCOUNTS DURING THE MONTH, $6,551 EARNINGS ON THE BALANCES THAT ARE INVESTED IN TEXTBOOKS POOL IN TEXAS CLASS $7,099 AND 44 CENTS FOR TOTAL EARNINGS OF 13,000 6 51 29.
THE TOTAL INVESTED IN TEXTS POOL IS 31,000,400,
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4,375 AT THIS TIME, UH, 101,455,599 IS INVESTED IN TEXAS CLASS.OUR AVERAGE YIELD IN TEXT POOL AS A 0.0708% AVERAGE ON TEXAS CLASS IS 0.0611%.
THE, UH, TOTAL COUNTY FUNDS IN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AT THE END OF JUNE 40 MILLION, $485,247.
THE VALUE OF THE PLEDGED SECURITIES HELD BY AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK, 109,000,830 1074.
SO WE ARE VERY WELL COLLATERALIZED AT 271% 76.6, 4% OF OUR CASH IS INVESTED.
23.36% IS IN THE BANK AND WE PROCESSED 413 RECEIPTS DURING THE MONTH FOR A TOTAL OF $15,698,088.
IF THERE ARE NONE, IF THERE ARE NONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S REPORT AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
YOU HAVE THE MOTION PERMISSION PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSION CASE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[5. Chuck Mohnkern; Present/Accept the Treasurer's Quarterly Investment report.]
PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE, THE TREASURER'S QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT.WE STARTED THE QUARTER AT A $73,632,821 INVESTED DEPOSITS OF 68,026,057 DISBURSEMENTS.
DURING THAT PERIOD FROM THE INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS OF $8,798,904, LEAVING US A BALANCE AT THE END OF THE QUARTER OF 130, $2,859 OR NO, $132,859,974.
OUR INTEREST EARNED DURING THE QUARTER FROM TEXT POOLS, 6,000 58 56 ON A TEXAS CLASS INVESTMENTS, $19,449 AND 54 CENTS QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREASURER'S QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT AS PRESENTED ON THE WAY THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSION CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[6. Chuck Mohnkern; Discuss/Consider/Approve Order to transfer funds from Levee Improvement District # 15 to General Fund and close account.]
ITEM SIX MAN OF THE HOUR, UH, TREASURER BACK TO THE TREASURY AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL AND ORDERED TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM LEVEE IMPROVEMENT, DISTRICT NUMBER 15 TO GENERAL AND CLOSED THE ACCOUNT.IN 2017, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED TWO BILLS THAT PAVED THE WAY FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO DISSOLVE LOVEY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS THAT MET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE SPELLED OUT IN THAT LEGISLATION HOUSE BILL 29, 25 ESTABLISHED REQUIREMENTS BY WHICH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT COULD DISSOLVE DORMANT LEVY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY THAT WERE DORMANT FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, THE BOUNDARIES COULD NOT BE DETERMINED.
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE DISTRICT WERE NOT ACTIVE OR COULD NOT BE DETERMINED.
PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE DISTRICT COULD NOT BE DETERMINED OR THE LEVY AND THE DISTRICT HAD RECEIVED A RATING OF UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND THE DISTRICT DID NOT UNDERTAKE AN ATTEMPTED TO UNDERTAKE OR MADE PLANS TO UNDERTAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
ON OCTOBER THE 10TH 2018, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT VOTED TO DISSOLVE KAUFMAN COUNTY LEVEE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 15, THE, A HOUSE BILL THAT WAS PASSED BECAME LAW ON SEPTEMBER THE FIRST 2017.
AND IT WOULD ALLOW KAUFMAN COUNTY TO TRANSFER THE ASSETS OF THE LEVEE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO THE COUNTY'S GENERAL REVENUE FUND TO HELP, TO FREE COSTS INCURRED BY THE TRUSTEE, APPOINTED TO DISSOLVE THE DISTRICT.
THAT MONEY WAS NEVER TRANSFERRED.
AND SINCE THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT HAVE CHANGED AND THE TREASURER OF KAUFMAN COUNTY AT THAT TIME IS NO LONGER AN OFFICE I'M ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO MOVE THIS MONEY FROM THE LEVEE DISTRICT 15 ACCOUNT AT AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THIS TOTAL IS $175 AND 42 CENTS.
AND THEN AFTER MAKING THAT MOVE, I WILL CLOSE THE ACCOUNT QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY KIND OF, UH, UH, LIKE I JUST A PERSISTENT LITTLE THING THAT SOMEBODY'S BEEN DEALING WITH FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THIS, YOU CAN UNLOAD, IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, ASSUMING WE IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE COURT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ORDER TO TRANSFER FUNDS AS PRESENTED ON ITEM SIX? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
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CASE.IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES YOUR LAST TASK OF THE DAY.
[7. Chuck Mohnkern; Discuss/Consider/Approve Order to transfer funds from Bois D'Arc Island Levee Improvement District # 4 to General Fund and close account.]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL IN ORDER TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM BODARK ISLAND LEVEE IMPROVEMENT, DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR TO THE GENERAL FUND AND CLOSE YOU ACCOUNT, SAME SONG, SECOND VERSE, PRETTY MUCH.SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE HOUSE.
BILL NUMBER IS DIFFERENT 1709.
THAT ONE WAS WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR DISSOLVING THE BODARK ISLAND LEVEE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR, AND ON OCTOBER THE 10TH 2018, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT VOTED TO DISSOLVE THAT DISTRICT.
SO I'M ASKING PERMISSION TO MOVE THE FUNDS FROM THE BODARK ISLAND, LEVEE IMPROVEMENT, DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR ACCOUNT AT AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT TOTAL IS $7,167 AND 37 CENTS.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S MOVED, I'LL CLOSE THAT ACCOUNT QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER FUNDS AS PRESENTED IN ITEM SEVEN? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SIREN COMMISSIONER KATE'S DISCUSSION FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NOW YOU CAN WORK ON SOMETHING ELSE.
[8. Brenda Samples; Present/Accept the Tax Assessor-Collector's Monthly Report for June 2021.]
NOW ON TO BRENDA SAMPLES ARE TEXAS HISTORY COLLECTED TO PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR'S MONTHLY REPORT FOR JUNE OF 2021 JUDGE COMMISSIONERS.GOOD MORNING FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE, OUR, UM, INCOME WAS 4,000 FOR $242 AND 27 CENTS.
AND WE HAVE DIFF UH, THE DEFERRAL OF 79,000 700, 6 92.
NOW THAT'S IN OUR KAUFMAN COUNTY, UH, PART OF THE SITUATION AND THEN ON ROAD AND BRIDGE, WE HAD AN INCOME OF 82,000 897 0 2.
WE HAVE A DELINQUENCY OF $12,278 AND 51 CENTS.
AND WE HAVE A DEFERRAL OF 13,000 8, 65, 45.
WE HAD A 27.1 ACRES ON ROBOT TAXES THIS TIME AND IT BROUGHT IN $940 AND 79 CENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE ME TO TALK ABOUT ARE, UM, TAX IS COLLECTED YEAR TO DATE IS UP FROM 2020 5.009.
OUR TOTAL COLLECTIONS FOR THE YEAR TODAY ARE UP AGAIN, 0.0, ZERO NINE.
AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WENT DOWN ON IN, IN THE OTHERS.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, TO APPROVE THE TAX ASSESSORS EXCEPT THE TAX SENSOR'S COLLECTION? NOT THE REPORT FOR 2021, JUNE OF 2021.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[9. Collections Dept; Present/Accept the Collections Department Monthly and Quarterly Reports.]
NINE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE, THE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT, MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY REPORTS.WE HAVE THE TOTAL COLLECTIONS FOR THE SECOND QUARTER IS $325,185 AND 27 CENTS.
THAT IS AN INCREASE OF 23.3 FROM OUR LAST QUARTER, AN INCREASE OF 50.4% OVER THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
THEN, UH, I WOULD, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT, UH, MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY REPORTS AS PRESENTED WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING,
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AYE.THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES SOMETIMES Y'ALL SOUND ALIKE AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE SAID IT.
[10. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving deputation of Mica A. Lunt as a Reserve Deputy Constable with the Precinct U2 Constable's Office.]
ITEM 10.I UNDERSTAND CONSTABLE JOHNSON HAS BEEN CALLED AWAY FOR AN IMPORTANT MEETING AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO COME TODAY, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A GOOD HE'S GOOD SIDEKICK.
UH, IF YOU, UH, SO THE ITEM IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING DEPUTIZATION OF MICAH, A LUNCH AS HE RESERVED DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH THE PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS.
GOOD MORNING, UH, JERRY KITCHENS, CHIEF DEPUTY PRECINCT TO, UH, AGAIN, CONSTABLE JOHNSON, UH, SINCE HIS REGRETS, HE WAS CALLED AWAY TO A MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
THIS IS FOR A RESERVED DEPUTATION FOR MICAH, A LUNCH, UH, WITH PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
MR. LUN, UH, HAD A DISTINGUISHED CAREER WITH PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, HE IS THE FORMER CHIEF OF, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HE STILL LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY AND WISHES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY UNTIL HIS NEXT CAREER PATH IS DEFINED QUESTIONS.
NO, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEPUTIZATION OF MICAH, A LUNCH AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER.
KATE'S DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NOW.
[11. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving the transfer of Victor Bates from full-time Deputy Constable Position to a Reserve Deputy Constable with Precinct 82 Constable's Office.]
UH, CHIEF WILL GO ON TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF VICTOR BATES FROM FULL-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE POSITION TO RESERVE DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.UM, DEPUTY BATES IS CURRENTLY A CONTRACT DEPUTY.
HE WANTS TO FOCUS ON HIS FAMILY BUSINESS, UH, BUT CONTINUE TO SERVE.
SO HE'S REQUESTED TO TRANSFER FROM A FULL-TIME POSITION TO A RESERVE POSITION QUESTIONS.
NO, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF VICTOR BATES FROM FULL TO PART-TIME AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[12. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving the Deputation of Michael Lynn Rhodes as a full-time Deputy Constable for Precinct #2 Constable's Office.]
ONCE MORE, UH, ITEM 12, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE DEPUTIZATION OF MICHAEL LYNN RHODES AS A FULL-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT TWO AT THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.THIS WOULD BE FILLING THE POSITION THAT'S VACATED BY, UH, DEPUTY BATES.
MR. RHODES, UH, IS, UH, HAS TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE COMING FROM, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS CURRENTLY A FORNEY RESIDENT, UH, JUST WISH TO WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HE ACTUALLY LIVES IN QUESTIONS.
IF NOT AS YOUR, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEPUTIZATION OF MICHAEL LYNN RHODES AS A FULL-TIME DEPUTY, CONSTABLE AND PRECINCT TWO COPS, WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[13. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider Departmental Structure for County Engineer]
IS MINE DISCUSS CONSIDERED DEPARTMENTAL STRUCTURE FOR COUNTY ENGINEER.UM, LONG BEFORE I ARRIVED ON THE SCENE, THE COUNTY, UM, STARTED WORKING TOWARDS A ONE-STOP SHOP.
UM, AND, UH, WE PUT THAT IN OR Y'ALL OR MY PREDECESSORS PUT THAT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, WHICH, UH, I THINK IS A VERY, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND IT TURNS OUT NOW THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THIS HAS COME TO COME TO BE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT I THINK IT'S THAT IN A COMBINATION WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASING AMOUNT OF NEED FOR SOMEBODY, FOR A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY WITH THAT'S QUALIFIED.
THEY CAN DEAL WITH HYDROLOGY ISSUES, FLOOD PLAIN STORM WATER, UM, PLAT REVIEWS RELATED TO THOSE THINGS.
AND, UM, IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME WITH THAT.
WE, WE HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER ON STAFF NOW AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD TRANSFER THAT DEPARTMENT INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, I SPOKE WITH THE AUDITOR ABOUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE AUDITOR BACK CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO, THERE HAD TO BE SOME FUNDING MOVED OVER THERE FOR THAT, BUT SHE FELT CONFIDENT THAT, UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM TO GET THAT DONE.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONCEPT.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, JUDGE, I LIKED HIM A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
SO, UM, I KNOW THIS WAS, UH, WE HAVE A FOLLOW ON AGENDA ITEM ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN,
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BUT, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS ACCURATE IS ACCURATE.THERE'S THERE IS AMPLE, UM, JUSTIFICATION AND, AND DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR A COUNTY ENGINEER FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY, PARTICULARLY, UH, REGARDING, UH, OR WITH REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THE, UH, I THINK WE ALL ACCEPT THAT WE ARE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE NATION.
SO CLEARLY THOSE, UH, THOSE COUNTY SUPPORT, UM, OPERATIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU DISCUSSED ARE, ARE NEEDED.
AND IN FACT, I'LL, UH, I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF DOING SOME RESEARCH.
I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS OUT TO THE, TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND I LEFT A COPY WITH THE CLERK BECAUSE I'D LIKE HER TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE RECORD.
UH, THIS IS REALLY JUST SOME, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION, LARGELY GLEANED, UM, FROM RESEARCH DONE WITH, UH, WITH TAC, WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, UM, THAT MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAID IS, IS, UH, AFFIRMED AND CONFIRMED WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THIS POINT THAT, THAT, UH, AS THE, AS THE COUNTY DEVELOPS AS THAT DEVELOPMENT CHANGES THE NATURE OF THE WORK THAT EXISTS, NOT ONLY IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES ARENA, BUT ALSO IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM THAT A COUNTY ENGINEER IN MY ESTIMATION AND IN THE ESTIMATION OF VIRTUALLY EVERY, UH, LEARNED EXPERT AROUND THIS COUNTY AROUND THIS STATE IS THAT A COUNTY ENGINEER IS A CRITICAL FUNCTION, UH, TO BE INTEGRATED IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM.
SO, UH, WHILE I'M PERFECTLY, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF TRANSFERRING OFFICIALLY TRANSFERRING THE COUNTY ENGINEER FROM THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND FROM 20 WHERE IT IS NOW, UH, INTO FUND 10, WHERE IT WOULD BE A MORE, A GENERALIZED, UM, POSITION.
NONETHELESS, I BELIEVE THAT ROAD AND BRIDGE MUST RETAIN AT LEAST SOME CONTRIBUTION TO THAT POSITION BECAUSE, UH, UH, I FIND IT TO BE A CRITICAL NEED IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM TO HAVE ACCESS RECURRING REGULAR AND FREQUENT ACCESS TO A COUNTY ENGINEER.
SO, UH, AT, UH, PERHAPS IN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THEY'RE COMING UP, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO FIND SOME PERCENTAGE IF YOU WILL, OF CONTRIBUTION TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER POSITION FROM FUND 20 TO ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND TO ENSURE THAT AT LEAST MY PRECINCT HAS CONTINUING AND REGULAR ACCESS TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER.
WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER KATES SAYS AND THE NEEDS HAVE BEEN DEPARTMENTAL SERVICES, AND AS IT IS DOCUMENTED, UH, THEY CAN KEEP HIM BUSY ALL DAY LONG EVERY DAY WITH THE SIX DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN MIND FOR HIM TO DO NOW.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GROW AS THE COUNTY GROWS, UH, AS FAR AS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PART OF IT, WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED.
AND WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH, UH, OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HAS ACCESS TO EVERY PART OF ENGINEERING THAT WE NEED FOR OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY, PUT THE ENGINEER UNDER MONIQUE BECAUSE SHE CAN KEEP HIM BUSY ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THOUGH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THAT, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE UNDER CONTRACT.
SO, SO I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT TO THE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT JUDGE.
UH, AND WHILE I DON'T DISAGREE IN PRINCIPLE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, IN MY VIEW HAVE NOT, UH, ALLOCATED ENOUGH FUNDING FOR RECURRING AND REGULAR UTILIZATION OF A COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, FOR INSTANCE, AND, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD A COUNTY ENGINEER IN THIS LAST, IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, UH, IN, UH, FOR INSTANCE, PRECINCT FOUR, MERELY BUDGETED ABOUT $7,500 FOR EXTERNAL ENGINEERING.
AND, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW QUICKLY, UH, EXTERNAL ENGINEERING CONSULTATIONS WILL, WILL ADD UP, I'LL REMIND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD OUR COUNTY ROAD, A ROAD BOND PROJECT, AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT PROJECT OF THAT ROAD BOND PROGRAM WAS TO HAVE THE COUNTY ENGINEER SERVE AS, UH, A
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CONJOINT PROJECT MANAGER, BOTH WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS, AS WELL AS WITH OUR, UH, WITH, UH, ITS OUR, OUR, UM, A ROAD AND BRIDGE CONSULTANT.UH, SINCE WE HAVE NOW HAD, UH, ALMOST SEVEN MONTHS OF A VACANT COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, IT BECAME NECESSARY FOR THAT VOID, THAT VOID THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEERED LEFT WHEN OUR COUNTY ENGINEER RETIRED, IT BECAME NECESSARY, UH, FOR AT LEAST IN PRECINCT FOURS ROAD AND BRIDGE BOND OPERATIONS TO REQUEST THAT THE CONSULTING FIRM TNP PROVIDE A, A DAILY RECURRING AND REGULAR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR TO, TO SPEAK ENGINEER FOR THE COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE PLANS THAT THE ENGINEERING CONCEPTS WERE BEING APPLIED APPROPRIATELY, BOTH BY OUR ROAD CONTRACTORS AND THEIR SUB-CONS TRACTORS.
SO, UH, IS RAELYNN HERE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE PROPOSAL TO FILL THE VOID LEFT BY OUR COUNTY ENGINEER'S VACANCY, UH, FROM TNP IS $2,000 A WEEK, 2000 A WEEK.
SO, SO THAT KIND OF EXPENDITURE CAN RAPIDLY MOUNT UP, UH, IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT TO, TO BE WELL BEYOND THE $7,500 THAT WE INITIALLY BUDGETED BASED ON THE FACT THAT I HAD ACCESS TO A COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, OUT OF FUND 20.
SO AGAIN, I, UH, UH, UH, I QUESTION WHETHER ANYONE COULD, COULD, UH, COULD REALLY SUPPORT THAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE USE THE MOST, UM, MM, MODERN AND EFFICIENT WAY TO APPLY ENGINEERING INTO OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM IS THROUGH CONTRACTING ENGINEERING.
SO, UH, I, AGAIN, UH, JUDGE, UH, I URGE THIS COMMISSIONER COURT TO CONSIDER, UH, ALLOWING FUND 20 TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE AND SOME PERCENTAGE, UH, IN FUNDING, THE COUNTY ENGINEER PROGRAM, UH, IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FIND NO NEED FOR ENGINEERING, WELL, GOD BLESS THEM, BUT I FIND ALMOST ALMOST DAILY AND CERTAINLY WEEKLY NEED TO CONSULT WITH AN ENGINE.
UM, JUST BY WAY, JUST BY WAY OF, UM, UH, FURTHER, UH, HONING THAT POINT.
UH, WE USE THE COUNTY ENGINEER IN OUR PRECINCT, WHICH HAS, UH, IN MY ESTIMATION, THE, THE LARGEST, UH, HYDROLOGY SLASH FLOODING ISSUES.
UH, WE USE THAT COUNTY ENGINEER AND THAT COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, FUNCTION, UH, TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 640 COLBERT CONSULTATIONS OVER THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR AND 40 NEW CULVERT PERMITS.
SO, UH, HAVING ACCESS TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, IS, IS CRITICAL IN MY MIND FOR A FUND 20 OPERATION TO, TO ACTUALLY STAY CUTTING EDGE.
SO AGAIN, I URGE THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO CONSIDER THE NEED.
OTHERWISE MY BUDGET, MY A BUDGET PROPOSAL WILL HAVE TO BE DRAMATICALLY, UH, TO, TO SUPPLY MORE ENGINEERS FEES TO TWO PRECINCT FOUR, AT LEAST.
AND I GENUINELY CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THAT THE REST OF THE PRECINCTS DON'T HAVE A SIMILAR NEED FOR RECURRING AND REGULAR CONSULTATION WITH AN ENGINEER.
AND, UH, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT REPRESENTS COUNTY, THAT'S A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE, A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, OF COURSE, AND THEN I'M NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE PROBLEMS Y'ALL HAVE DOWN AT PRECINCT FOUR.
I THINK EVERY PRECINCT HAS PROBLEMS, BUT JUST THE WORKLOAD THAT YOU JUST STATED, WHICH SEVERELY ROBBED THE TIME AND STUFF FOR DEPARTMENTAL, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO DO THESE OTHER SIX AND TO GROW RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT ONE ENGINEER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, AND SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, AND NO DOUBT, MIKE, ABOUT A WORKLOAD THAT YOU CAN'T ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL, YOU CAN'T ASK ONE MAN TO DO AND BE EFFICIENT TO DO THAT BIG OF A WORKLOAD HIMSELF.
AND I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES NEEDS THIS ENGINEER.
WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR AT THIS DATE RIGHT NOW TO DO AS A RESOURCE FOR US AS NEEDED.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T MISSED A BEAT EVEN THE SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS WITHOUT AN ENGINEER.
AND I WAS SPEAKING FOR PRECINCT ONE, WE HAVEN'T MISSED A BEAT WITH OUR BOND PROGRAM, OUR IN-HOUSE ROAD BUILDING.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD TO CONSULT THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT NOT TO THAT MAGNITUDE TO GET EASEMENTS AND STUFF TO GO FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TO BACK UP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HERE TO PEOPLE TO GET RIDES, TO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY FOR DRYNESS ISSUE.
SO WE JUST REALLY HAVEN'T MISSED A BEAT.
I MEAN, SO, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER PRECINCTS HERE, BUT YEAH,
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WE'VE GOT THE SAME SITUATION IN PRECINCT THREE.WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES, UH, OVER THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS, UH, THAT HAVING OUR IN-HOUSE ENGINEER BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR US.
UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE FEW TIMES THAT I TRIED TO USE THE SERVICES, YOU JUST REFERRED ME BACK TO OUR CONTRACT ENGINEER.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN USING.
AND, UH, I DON'T, I THINK OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS IT WAS GOING TO SAVE US THE MONEY AND I DON'T SEE WHERE IT DID.
UM, AND OUR CONTRACT, UH, COMPANY HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB FROM MY FREE SNAKE.
WE HAVEN'T MISSED A BEAT EITHER.
IT HASN'T AFFECTED MY BUDGET ANY, AND IT'S WORKED GOOD FOR US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH US, UH, CONTINUING TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MY PRICING.
WELL, LET, LET ME JUST POINT OUT THAT I AGREE WITH THEM MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAID, EXCEPT THAT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT VOTED UNANIMOUSLY LESS THAN A YEAR AGO TO RECOGNIZE THE ADDED WORKLOAD THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEER HAD.
AND WE ADDED A SECOND POSITION.
WE ADDED AN ENGINEERING TECH TO HELP THAT GUY, UH, UH, BE ABLE TO PERFORM THESE VARIETY AND FULL SPECTRUM OF FUNCTIONS.
NOW I'LL CERTAINLY CONCUR AND IT'S NO SECRET AT LEAST ON THIS PANEL THAT OUR FORMER COUNTY ENGINEER WAS NOT NECESSARILY, UH, PERFORMING TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAD EXPECTED.
WE TOOK ACTION TO RESOLVE THAT, UH, INDIVIDUALIZED PROBLEM.
AND WE TOOK THAT ACTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS ENTIRE PANEL UP HERE VIEWED IT TO BE A CRITICAL FUNCTION.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE VERBIAGE WAS USED AS WE BEGAN TO CORRECT PERFORMANCE IN THAT POLICY.
SO, UH, I JUST FIND IT UNUSUAL THAT A YEAR LATER, WHAT WE ALL VIEWED AS A CRITICAL FUNCTION, UH, UP TO, AND INCLUDING ADDING AN ADDITIONAL POSITION IN THE COUNTY ROLES.
UH, NOW THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T THINK THAT THAT, UH, HAS, HAS MUCH VIABILITY IN FUND 20.
UM, I, I FRANKLY BELIEVE, UH, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, IF YOU READ THIS DOCUMENT, YOU'LL FIND THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE EMPLOY A COUNTY ENGINEER, MANY EMPLOY A FULL, UH, OBVIOUSLY MANY, MANY COUNTIES ARE MUCH LARGER AND MORE URBANIZED THAN WE ARE, BUT MANY EMPLOY A FULL STAFF, UH, AS MUCH AS FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE.
AND IN THE BIG CITIES, OBVIOUSLY EVEN MORE SO, UH, THE FACT THAT A, THE FACT THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I COMMEND YOU ALL.
IF NONE OF YOU NEED ENGINEERING SUPPORT, OR YOU ONLY NEED MODERATE ENGINEERING SUPPORT, UH, WELL, GOD BLESS YOU, BUT IN PRECINCT FOUR, WE NEED ACCESS TO REGULAR AND RECURRING ENGINEERING HELP.
OUR CITIZENS DESERVE BETTER, AND WE NEED ACCESS TO THAT COUNTY ENGINEER.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT IS AN ESTABLISHED GENERALLY AND A GENERALLY ACCEPTED PRACTICE ACROSS THE STATE.
SO WHILE I'M NOT ASKING ALL OF YOU TO DO CONTINUE TO FULLY FUND AN ENGINEER, I'M ASKING THAT FUND 20 CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN FUNDING, UH, AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE COUNTY ENGINEER DEPARTMENT, SO THAT IF YOU DON'T NEED THEM GREAT, BUT PRECINCT FORD NEEDS OF COURSE, THAT POSITION.
AND THEY ACTUALLY, THAT OTHER POSITION IS STILL FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.
UM, IT'S STILL ONLY ABOUT MOVING, LETTING THE MONET CANVAS ENGINEERING.
IT WOULDN'T BE AN OTHER THAT OTHER CAN BE RESOLVED IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
IT CAN'T BE RESOLVED IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
UM, AND SO WHAT I WOULD BE W I HAVE TO DISAGREE IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ENGINEER POSITION TODAY OUT OF FUND 20 COMPLETELY INTO FUND 10.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT, I'M SORRY, THIS IS MY ITEM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE.
THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE IS THAT WE, THAT WE MOVE THAT, THAT WE MOVE THAT PERSON TO BE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THAT WE PROVIDE FUNDING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
BUT MY, MY CONCEPT, OR MY IDEA HERE IS NOT, I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE FUND 20 MONEY.
WELL, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THE FUNDING IF YOU MOVE HIM INTO, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE AUDITOR, BUT SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD, UH, THAT SHE HAD FUNDING SOURCE THAT SHE COULD FUND THAT SHE COULD FIND THAT POSITION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE YEAR.
SO THE AUDITOR CAN FIND THE MONEY, BUT THE MONEY, MY POINT IS, DOES THAT THEN DOES YOUR ACTION THEN PRECLUDE A RODEN BRIDGE FROM UTILIZING THAT WE CAN'T, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT.
UH, I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT MONEY ALREADY BUDGETED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
SO I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT WE DO ANYTHING WITH IT RIGHT NOW, THE FUND 20 MONEY
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REPORTS, BRANDON, WE READ BOOKS, SORRY, I FORGOT INFANT 20.WE BUDGETED $225,000 FOR THE ENGINEER FOR HIS TECHNICIAN, ALL HAS BENEFITS, OFFICE SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT TRAINING, AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS A CURRENT REPORT ON THE BACK IS YOUR TRANSFER, WHICH IS REALLY NOT A PART OF THIS.
THIS IS Y'ALL'S MONEY THAT COMES THERE.
IF YOU'LL TAKE ONE AND PASS IT NOW.
SO THEY HAVE IT THAT WAY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE SITTING, HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE LEFT AND WHAT WE SPENT SO FAR.
AND YOU ONLY HAVE THIS PAY PERIOD, TWO, AN AUGUST TWO IN SEPTEMBER, AND PROBABLY A FEW DAYS TO PUT BACK INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT, OR HE'S CODED TOO UNTIL Y'ALL MAKE A DECISION DURING BUDGET TIME.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT HIM IN FUND 10, THAT WOULD BE AN EASY MOVE.
WE, IF, IF, UH, IF A COMMISSIONER, SO, SO THE, THE COUNTY ENGINEER IS MOVED INTO, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND THEN IF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO, UH, UH, USE SOME, UH, SOME AMOUNT OF THE ENGINEER SERVICES, UH, WE COULDN'T TRANSFER THOSE SERVICES TO YOU.
CAN'T COME AT, YOU CAN'T PULL IT FROM
I MEAN, FROM ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT, UM, ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THAT AS IF YOU SET UP AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND, LIKE IF YOU HAD A MECHANIC THAT WAS FIXING YOUR CARS AND YOUR EQUIPMENT, THEN HE CHARGED, YOU WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR BED.
COULD SOME OF THAT MONEY BE TRANSFERRED TO, COULD SOME OF THAT MONEY BE TRANSFERRED TO A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IF IT WAS BEING USED FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE WORK? NOPE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID, I'LL FIND IT MONIQUE.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT.
SO IF YOU MOVED INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MAYBE IT COMES TO COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
THAT'D BE, HE'S ALREADY A COUNTY GENERAL FUND.
AND I MEAN, YOU GUYS ALL HAVE ACCESS TO ME ALL DAY LONG.
SO DO YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY HIM TO COME OUT OUT OF RODEN BRIDGE TO LOOK AT ROADS, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST, NO, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GIVE SERVICES TO US.
WE CAN'T PAY FOR YOUR SERVICES FOR YOUR JOB BECAUSE WE HAVE BORROWED BRIDGE TAX THAT CAN ONLY BY LAW, BUT USED ON ROAD AND BRIDGE.
SO THAT'S WHY IN REVERSE GENERAL FUND CAN GIVE US MONEY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHENEVER THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS FUND MONEY IN THIS, WE CAN'T SPEND IT.
YOU STILL PROVIDE SERVICES TO KAUFMAN COUNTY, ANY DEPARTMENT THAT NEEDS IT BECAUSE HE'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE AND IT'S ALL COUNTY TAX DOLLARS, CORRECT.
YOU JUST CAN'T TRANSFER FROM A RODEN BRIDGE FUND TO THE GENERAL THAT YOU CAN TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL TO THE ROAD OR BRIDGE OR ANY OTHER FUND THAT NEEDS IT.
SO I WAS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO, WE'RE GOOD.
IF HE HAS TIME, HE CAN COME AND WORK FOR, AND HE CAN COME WORK FOR ME.
YOU CAN COME WORK FOR ANYWHERE.
WE JUST HAVE TO BUDGET THE MONEY FOR YOU HAS TIME.
IF HE HAS TIME RIGHT NOW, HE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
HE WORKS FOR THE COMMISSIONER.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? RIGHT? YEAH.
SO COMMISSIONER KATE HAS MENTIONED THE EXTRA SERVICES FOR, FROM TMP, FOR OUR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT AT THE RATE OF $2,000 A WEEK, I'VE GONE TO ITS AND NEXT WEEK WE WILL HAVE THE FUNDING.
UM, I ONLY DID A 90 DAY FUNDING REQUEST SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHICH OF THE, UM, PRECINCTS REALLY UTILIZED THE SERVICES.
IF WE NEEDED TO TWEAK THE SERVICES THAT WERE, THAT WERE GOING TO BE WITHIN THAT CONTRACT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
UM, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE FROM PREVIOUS BOND MONEY TO COVER THIS FIRST 90 DAYS WHILE Y'ALL KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF INSPECTIONS AND WHAT TYPE OF EXTRA DUTIES YOU WENT IN TO PUT ON THOSE COUNTY ROADS.
SO I JUST, I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
SO AS Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING THIS, AT LEAST YOU'LL BE COVERED FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS WITH BOND FUNDS.
CAN I CALL THE QUESTION HERE IN AND JUST SAY THAT, UM, ASK FOR A MOTION
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TO JUST SIMPLY, UH, MOVE THE COUNTY ENGINEER POSITION INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ASK THAT THE AUDITOR PROVIDE FUN 10, THAT SHE FIND FUN 10 TO COMPLETE THIS BUDGET YEAR TO SUPPORT THAT POSITION IN THE ORG.AND WHAT ABOUT THE ORG CHART WHEN YOU TALK, WHEN YOU, YOU'RE SAYING MOVING TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE ENGINEER WORKS FOR MONIQUE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICE.
I MEAN, AND HIS MOMS, SO THE MOTION, WELL, I MEAN, THAT WOULD ALL, I THINK THAT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY.
THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY JUST CLARIFY THAT THAT PERSON WOULD, WOULD BE MOVED ORGANIZATIONALLY IS ON THE CHART AS WELL.
THE, THE TECHNICIAN THAT WAS IN THIS DEPARTMENT ALSO HE'S IS HE STILL WORKING FOR MONIQUE? THE TECHNICIAN IS STILL WORKING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE HIS FUNDING IS COMING FROM THE TECHNICIAN POSITION VACANT.
YOU JUST, YOU JUST HIRED HIM FOR, FOR GIS SURFACES, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO IS THIS A GOOD INTERIM MOTION TO GET US INTO THE NEXT TITLE? I WAS LIKE, OKAY.
WELL I THINK THAT'S, IF THAT'S CLEAR, IF HE, IF NO ONE OBJECTS, I WILL MAKE THAT A MOTION TO DO WHAT I STATED.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND, THE MOTION WAS FROM ME, THE JUDGE JUDGE RICHARDS.
AND THE SECOND IS FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, UH, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
AT LEAST I FELT LIKE WE WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT PART OF IT TAKEN CARE OF.
[14. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss County Engineer funding, responsibilities, and duties.]
OKAY.THEN, UH, ITEM 14, COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSS COUNTY ENGINEER, FUNDING, RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES.
ACTUALLY, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH BEEN DISCUSSING THIS THROUGH THE WHOLE OTHER LINE ITEM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I LIKE TO RESTATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT ENGINEER FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE WORK.
MONIQUE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS HER ENGINEER THAT I KNOW SKIS BEEN PREACHING THE WHOLE TIME.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS THING FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS ABOUT THE NEED FOR AN ACCOUNTING ENGINEER TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE FLOODPLAIN AND GIS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, SHE'S GOT A FULL PAGE OF STUFF THAT CAN PROVIDE US IN THIS DOCUMENT AND TALKING TO HER THERE'S IS GOING TO EVEN GROW.
SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THE WAY WE HAVE IT SET UP RIGHT NOW, WE'VE MOVED THE NEAR DEPARTMENTS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE HAVE THE ENGINEER FUNDED FOR THE END OF THE YEAR THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND UTILIZE THE CONTRACTING ENGINEER WITH THE WHOLE FARM THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO AND UTILIZE THAT AS RODEN BRIDGE, IF WE WANT TO DO.
I MEAN, THE GUYS, IF I WANTED TO HIRE AN ENGINEER OR AN ENGINEER, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ENGINEER YET.
AND I COULD DO THAT OUT OF MY ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS, RIGHT FROM MY PRECINCT.
SO I MEAN, IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GREATER NEED IN AN AREA, THEN I THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONER IN THAT AREA TO TAKE DEAL WITH IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S WORKING FOR US AS THE LINES CHANGE.
I MIGHT BE INHERITING EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER KATE HAS DOWN THERE IN FORCE.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HAS IN STORE FOR US.
I MIGHT BE LOOKING THROUGH IT.
I'M NOT EVEN TRYING TO GO AND GET THAT TO HAPPEN, THAT THEY ALL STAY IN MARCH AND THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO.
BUT ANYWAY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HAS IN STORE.
I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WE CREATED AN ENGINEER POSITION AND WE GAVE IT A TRY AND IT MIGHT'VE WORKED FOR ONE, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ALL.
AND I THINK WE OVER TASKED THAT ENGINEER AND KIND OF SET HIM UP FOR FAILURE BECAUSE WE OVERLOADED SOMEBODY AND WE CAN DO THAT EASILY IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL.
SO I THINK MONIQUE HAS A NEED IN HER DEPARTMENT TO KEEP AN ENGINEER BUSY.
FULL-TIME THE WAY WE HANDLE IT RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR, A CONTRACTING ENGINEERING FARM THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.
IF WE DECIDE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS OR WHATEVER THAT WE WANT TO HIRE ANOTHER ENGINEER FOR RODEN BRIDGE, THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH DURING THE BUDGET OR IF WE WANT IT TO JUST BE COME OUT OF OUR INDIVIDUAL ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGETS.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE HALFWAY HOME AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED HERE IN THE COUNTY MOANING NEEDS YOUR ENGINEER.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME, YOU MIGHT CALL IT A TEMPORARY FIX RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CONTRACTING ENGINEER FARM TO DEAL WITH WHAT
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WE NEED TO DEAL WITH, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.FROM THIS POINT, WE CAN, THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION TO THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IN THE FUTURE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ENGINEER THAT WE JUST MOVED REMAIN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTORS THAT WE UTILIZE.
IF WE WANT MORE THAN WE HIRE ONE OUT OF OUR PRICING BUDGETS TO THIS TIME.
SO, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT I WROTE IN BRIDGES FIRMLY ROOTED IN THE FIFTIES WHERE WE DON'T THINK THAT ENGINEERING IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS.
AND IN FACT, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIST OF TASKINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, I'LL JUST READ A FEW OF THOSE, UH, FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR FOR THIS COUNTY COUNTY LAND USE PERMITS, STORMWATER ADMINISTRATOR LEVY AND DAM COORDINATOR, THE FLOOD MITIGATION GRANT OVERSEER, UH, FLOOD MITIGATION STUDY GRANT OVERSEER MANAGEMENT OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND SUPPORTING GIS, JUST TO NAME A FEW, EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH ARE, UH, INTEGRAL TO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, IMPACT ROAD AND BRIDGE.
AND THEY CERTAINLY IMPACT PRECINCT FOUR.
THEY CERTAINLY IMPACT PRECINCT FOUR.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE BE ABLE TO SEE, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT WHEN WE HIT THIS BUDGET.
UH, THESE BUDGET HEARINGS THAT THE COSTS FOR ENGINEERING FOR UTILIZING A CONTRACT ENGINEER IS FAR AND AWAY, MORE EXCESSIVE THAN HIRING AND HAVING A RECURRING AND REGULAR USE OF A COUNTY ENGINEER IN TODAY'S RODEN BRIDGE PROGRAM.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 14? OKAY.
THERE'S NO ACTION CALL FOR IN THAT, UM,
[15. Judge Richards; Discuss Elections Administrator update.]
ON THE ITEM 15, THIS IS MINE.UH, I WANTED TO JUST UPDATE THE PUBLIC AND UPDATE, YOU KNOW, AS A RECORD UPDATE TO COMMISSIONER THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT AFRESH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO CREATE AN ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR POSITION, WHICH WE DID THAT IS ALL, UH, HIGHLY STRUCTURED PROCESS BY STATE LAW.
THE, UH, SO WE, THERE IS A STATUTORY NUMBER OF GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT COMPRISE THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION OR ELECTIONS COMMISSION.
THEY CALLED IT, UH, WE MET, UM, WE MET TWICE, UH, WE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, UH, BY EMAIL AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE INTERVIEWED FOUR CANDIDATES AND WE MADE A SELECTION OF A PERSON NAMED TANDY SMITH, WHO IS A VERY EXPERIENCED AND QUALIFIED ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR FROM DALLAS COUNTY.
UM, AND, UH, IT WAS UNANIMOUS DECISION, NOTHING.
WE, THE WHOLE PROCESS ACTUALLY WORKED, UH, MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD.
AND, UH, AND SHE WILL BE STARTING AT THE COUNTY ON JULY THE 26TH.
SO WE HAVE, WE PUSHED THAT BUTTON AND WE'RE MOVING THAT FORWARD.
AND I THINK IT'LL BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
I THINK SHE'S GONNA DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND, UH, OF COURSE WE ALL NEED TO OFFER A LOT OF THANKS TO OUR ELECTIONS TEAM IN THE PAST, BRENDA AND HER WHOLE STAFF AND ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DID.
WE, WE RUN SOME PRETTY, UH, PRETTY GOOD ELECTIONS, I THINK, ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
WE WILL BE, WE'LL BE, UH, PUTTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, DON AND I ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW TO JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW HOW THINGS WORK, UH,
[16. Judge Richards; Discuss 5 Year Strategic Plan Update.]
ITEM 16, UH, DISCUSS THE FIVE-YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE.UM, THIS COME UP, THIS HAS COME UP AND I FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BE REALLY HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY TO HEAR.
I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO READ PART OF THIS ON THEM AND I'LL JUST READ IT BECAUSE I WROTE THIS AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF I PROVIDED IT TO YOU OR NOT, BUT WHEN I STARTED IN 90 2019, I, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED.
I KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COUNTY GOVERNMENT, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE COUNTY HAD, NO, WE DID NO PLANNING BEYOND A ONE-YEAR BUDGET.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY UNUSUAL FOR AN ORGANIZATION WITH 600 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN BUDGET.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO FIND A COUNTY.
THAT'S DOING LONG TERM PLANNING AND WE'LL JUST STEAL WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND, UH, I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF COUNTIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, WAS FAMILIAR WITH
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KIND OF LIKE US AND NOBODY WAS DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST A ONE YEAR BUDGET.SO I, I GOT TACK THANK GOODNESS.
AND THEY HELPED ME DO A LITTLE SURVEY AND WE SURVEYED 254 COUNTIES.
WE DIDN'T GET ALL COUNTIES RESPONDING, BUT WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE ONLY 35 COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT DO ANYTHING IN SORT OF PLANNING OTHER THAN JUST A ONE-YEAR BUDGET.
UH, SO NONE OF THAT, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PLANS, I TALKED, SOME OF THEM AND THEY ARE THERE, WHAT THEY DID.
I DON'T EVEN FEEL IT APPLIED TO US.
SO THEN I STARTED LOOKING FOR A, I'M GOING TO SEARCH FOR A FACILITATOR.
I'VE TALKED TO SOME CONSULTING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO HELP US DO IT.
CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT OURSELVES, START SOMETHING STRETCH.
AND, UH, KAREN AGREED WITH THAT AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO AGREE.
SO I WENT ON THIS, UH, UM, THIS HUNT FOR SOMEBODY TO HELP US.
AND I GOT A COUPLE OF ESTIMATES FROM CONSULTANTS FOR WAY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO IT.
AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
UM, SO JUST BILE, PERSISTENCE AND LUCK.
I STUMBLED ON TO THE TEXAS A AND M EXTENSION SERVICE AND REALLY AFFILIATION WITH THE VG YOUNG INSTITUTE.
AND THERE IS AN, THERE WAS AN ECONOMIST THERE WHO HAD DONE SOME SIMILAR WORK TO THAT.
SHE'S A PROFESSOR AND HAD ACCESS TO GRADUATE STUDENTS AND SHE STARTED, SO THIS IS A LONG ABOUT JANUARY WHEN I SENT Y'ALL ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE DID, 95 OF THEM.
SO IN ABOUT JANUARY, WE STARTED PUTTING OUR PLAN TOGETHER.
SHE WAS GOING TO, SHE AND HER TEAM ARE GOING TO COME AND INTERVIEW DEPARTMENT HEADS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR DEPARTMENTS WORK AND, AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD, UH, MAKE ALL THAT WE COULD GET ALL THAT COLLECT ALL THAT DATA AND REALLY START THE BEGINNINGS OF A FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
THAT WAS, WE REALLY GOT ROLLING IN JANUARY.
UM, AND THEN ABOUT THE TIME WE GOT STARTED, COVID STARTED.
SO WE, WE TRIED TO DO ZOOM MEETINGS AND WE TRY TO DO, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'D, NOBODY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND IT WAS JUST A MESS.
AND I THINK MY THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WE'LL JUST PAUSE.
YOU KNOW, THIS COVID WILL BE OVER IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO BACK TO BUSINESS.
WELL, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT LIKE THAT.
SO WE EVENTUALLY, THEY HAD COLLECTED SOME DATA AND THEY THEY'VE GOT SOME DATA.
AND SO WE EVENTUALLY JUST ARRIVED AT THE POINT THAT WE NEEDED TO JUST STOP BECAUSE A LOT OF WORK THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO REALLY NEEDED TO BE IN PERSON INTERVIEWS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING DONE PROBABLY SINCE SUMMER OF 2020.
UM, BUT A GOOD THING CAME OUT OF ALL THIS, UH, OUR AUDITOR HAD LAUNCHED OFF OR BY THIS TIME THE LAUDATORY LAUNCHED OFF INTO THIS OPENGOV, UH, PLATFORM.
AND WE REALIZED THE DATA THAT WE'D SEEN COMING FROM A AND M WAS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS BIG GIANT SPREADSHEETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS VERY USER-FRIENDLY.
UM, WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE OPENGOV AS A GREAT PLATFORM TO DO A FIVE-YEAR BUDGET, JUST LIKE IT IS IN OUR ONE-YEAR BUDGET.
SO THE PLAN GOING FORWARD IS, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, JUST TO LET IT SIT UNTIL OPENGOV IS FULLY EMPLOYED AND WE GET THROUGH THIS BUDGET CYCLE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CRANK IT BACK UP AGAIN.
UH, THE MOTIVATION FOR THE VJ YOUNG INSTITUTE AND FOR THE EXTENSION SERVICE IS, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A NEEDED THING.
THEY'RE GONNA USE US TO BUILD A, A BORDER PLATE OR A, UH, METHODOLOGY FOR DEVELOPING PLANS.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO AROUND AND TRY TO OFFER IT TO OTHER COUNTIES.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
THIS IS A, I THINK THIS IS A, I THINK IT'S NOT NORMAL FOR AN ORGANIZATION, THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY GROWING AND CHANGING AS FAST AS WE ARE TO NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF LONG-TERM PLANNING ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE JUST RETURNED FROM A CONFERENCE IN WACO LAST WEEK AND, UH, REBECCA, THE LADY THAT DID THIS FOR US, SHE HAD A SESSION THAT WE WENT TO ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING.
HER ENTIRE, UH, LESSON PLAN WAS ABOUT WHAT SHE DID FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND WE HAD SO MANY OTHER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGES COME UP AND ASK US ABOUT THIS.
WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, MAN, WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE
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THEY WANT TO DO THE SAME THING.SO WE MAY BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS, HELPING GETTING THIS, GOING TO MAYBE HELP SOME OTHER COUNTIES WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
UH, CAUSE I WAS SURPRISED TOO WHEN, UH, WHEN I STARTED HERE THAT WE JUST DID THING ONE, ONE YEAR OUT IS ALL WE DID LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING TWO DOWN THE ROAD COMES UP? WELL, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TOO MUCH AND WE'RE TOO BIG FOR THAT.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING AND WE GET IT GOING AGAIN.
I THINK IT'S GONNA REALLY HELP US A LOT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE AND DETERMINING WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE WHEN WE GET THERE.
SO WELL WE'RE, AND, AND WE'RE GETTING A BARGAIN ON THIS BECAUSE SHE'S A PHD ECONOMIST AND SHE HAS ACCESS TO GRADUATE STUDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK REALLY CHEAP.
AND UM, SO THEY WORKED REALTY.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN SEND US A MEAL.
AND SO HERE'S WHAT WE'LL COME UP WITH THE FIRST W YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL GET STARTED ON THIS THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER, MAYBE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL SEE SOME SORT OF A FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
IT WON'T BE, IT'LL JUST BE A DRAFT AND IT'LL TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT, TO GET IT RECONSTRUCTION.
IT'S IT'S LOOKING OUT FIVE YEARS IS NOT EASY, BUT IF WE NEED A BUILDING IN FIVE-YEAR AND WE SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH FACILITIES, YOU NEED A BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO JUDGE IT, JUDGE
NOT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T RUN A BUSINESS WITHOUT PLANNING.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
YOU HEARD ME TALKING SO MUCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS OVER DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE ENGINEERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SURFACE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MO LINCOLN STAND UP HERE AND TEST HOW MUCH I RAISED CAME TO GET DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE NEVER HAD THAT WHEN I CAME INTO THE OFFICE, THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED TO ME WAS A DEVELOPER WALKED IN WITH A HUGE SET OF PLANS AND THREW THEM ON MY DESK IN THE MORNING TO APPROVAL.
AND I SAID, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU KNOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES PRECINCT TWO, THIS? HOW DOES PRECINCT THREE? HOW DOES PRECINCT FOUR? WHEN I FOUND OUT EVERYBODY DID IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS ISN'T GOOD.
SO IT TOOK TWO YEARS AND WE CONVINCED THE COUNTY JUDGE TO, UH, TO WORK ON THAT PROJECT.
AND SO WE WERE LUCKY BENEFIT THAT WHEN YOU CAME IN THE OFFICE, THEN WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND, UH, I THINK WE, WE HIRED THE RIGHT PERSON TO RUN THE, THE, THE OFFICE.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY WORKED WELL.
LET ME TELL YOU, SHE JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HER, BUT, UH, BUT, UH, I'M REALLY PROUD THAT WE HAVE THAT.
I'M PROUD THAT WE HAVE AN ENGINEER IN THERE WHERE THAT I WANTED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UH, I THINK OF ENGINEERS IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T USE HIM WHEN WE NEED TO, BECAUSE HE'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
UM, BUT WE'LL JUST, WE WON'T BE ON THE ROAD TO THAT, BUT I'M, I'M AGREEING WITH TERRY AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, THIS, THIS IS A, IT'S A GREAT, AND IT'S A GREAT, UH, IT'S A GREAT PRIVILEGE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY THAT INTELLIGENT, THAT SMART TO HELP US WITH A PLAN.
SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT, UH, ITEM
[17. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter into a public hearing.]
17, DISCUSS, CONSIDER EXITING, REGULAR MEETING AND ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS OUR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT COMMISSION.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CATES.
I TOLD YOU GUYS MY LOSING MY HEARING, UH, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
[18. Public Hearing; to receive input from the public regarding an order establishing a juvenile curfew for Kaufman County.]
HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING AN ORDER ESTABLISHING A JUVENILE CURFEW FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE PROCESS HERE IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, EITHER THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR THE SHERIFF, UH, UH, INTRODUCE THE SUBJECT AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WANTS TO COMMENT.
OH, WE'LL GET BOTH WELL, HAVE THREE OR FOUR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS WE BROUGHT LAST TIME WE COME, UH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES AND WHICH, UH, THE CHIEF CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH JUVENILE CRIMES.
THE JUDGE CAN ALSO TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT HAS COME UP.
AND I WILL TELL YOU FOR YOUR DOCUMENT.
I WANT YOU TO GO, OH YEAH, LET'S GET YOU.
UM, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER AND PASS THIS CURFEW.
I THINK IT WILL BE A VERY GREAT BENEFIT TO THE, UH, CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, TO THE CHILDREN, UM, THAT IT WILL IMPACT AND THEIR FAMILIES.
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A TOOL TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.I THINK IT PROVIDES A TOOL TO OUR EVERYDAY CITIZENS.
WHEN THEY SEE KIDS OUT, EVERYONE'S GOT THESE RING DOORBELLS ON.
THEY, THEY, THEY CAN CAPTURE IT.
THEY CAN SEE IT, BUT BEFORE THESE KIDS DO SOMETHING THAT WILL CHANGE THEIR LIFE, THAT WILL MAKE IT WHERE THEY CAN'T GET TO COLLEGE.
THEY CAN'T GET SCHOLARSHIPS, THEY CAN'T GO TO THE MILITARY.
IT AFFECTS THEIR LIVES BEFORE THEY MAKE A CHOICE.
AND OUR PEER PRESSURED INTO A CHOICE THAT CHANGES THEIR LIFE, THAT THE POLICE, THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE CAN GET AHOLD OF THEM, CALL THEIR PARENTS AND TAKE THEM HOME.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS OUR ENTIRE GOAL IS TO PREVENT THESE KIDS FROM HAVING TO SEE ME.
THAT'S MY ULTIMATE GOAL IS SO THAT I SEE LESS KIDS Y'ALL HAVE HEARD.
WE HAVE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIMES.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY OF THESE OFFENSES THAT I HAVE TO DO DETENTION HEARINGS ON THAT.
I'M SENDING KIDS TO T J J D ON THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THESE KIDS HAD BEEN AT HOME AND THESE KIDS ARE DOING THINGS IN, IT'S NOT JUST ONE KID, IT'S USUALLY LIKE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE.
SOME OF THESE KIDS, THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO BE PROUD OF A CROWD.
THIS IS A PEER PRESSURE TYPE THING.
THIS, I THINK THIS CAN HELP OUR KIDS AND OUR PARENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY HELP THESE KIDS TO NOT HAVE TO SEE ME TO NOT HAVE TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH LAURA AND HER DEPARTMENT AND TO HAVE A FUTURE AND TO DO WHAT THEY DEFINITELY NOT SEE HER AND HER AND HER PEOPLE.
THAT'S OUR WHOLE GOAL IN THIS.
I'VE GOT A DOCKET AND I'VE GOT TO GO.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE PEER PRESSURE WE'VE, UH, THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING, AND I'LL LET HER, I'VE BEEN REACHED OUT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE EVERYBODY'S IN SUPPORTED THIS.
WE HAVE VERY FEW, UH, MY CHIEF HAS ALSO RECEIVED A FEW CALLS.
AND ONCE WE EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, THEY'RE GOING, OH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND THIS IS NOT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO SING.
WE'VE GOT SMALL GROUPS THAT PEER PRESSURE MAKES HIM MAKE POOR, POOR CHOICES.
IF WE CAN STOP IT AT THE VERY FIRST, WE CAN CRACK THAT AGE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT HERE JUST TO WRITE TICKETS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT HERE TO TALK TO PARENTS, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM AND GET THESE KIDS BACK IN THEIR HOUSE AND OUT OF THESE PEER PRESSURE SITUATIONS THAT MAKES POOR CHOICES.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE GAME OF IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT OUTSTANDING FROM EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO US.
SO, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS A WHOLE, WE'VE HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD OUT.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE TO ADD FROM BEING HERE.
WHAT WAS THAT? TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO? THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO ASK.
IF WE GET TO SEE TERRY COMMISSIONER BARBARA IN PERSON AND NOT ON THE, UM, THE BOX, THERE WAS A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, MAYBE THERE WAS SOME TYPOS OR THE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY LEGALITY ABOUT THE ORDER WE'VE GONE BACK THROUGH IT.
WE'VE KIND OF CLEANED THOSE UP IF THERE WAS ANYTHING LAURA AND I BRING A PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING STARTED ABOUT THE SAME TIME WHEN I WAS IN JUDGE GREY'S POSITION AS THE JUVENILE AND CPS JUDGE.
AND WE CAN JUST TELL YOU IN THE ALMOST 20 YEARS, THE GROWTH AND THE CHANGE, I MEAN, A CURFEW HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE REALLY NEED IT NOW.
AND WE, AND WE JUST GET THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UH, SHERIFF WAS HERE THEN THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE.
AND SO ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE HAS BEEN A FEW DETRACTORS.
AND IF ANYBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SPEAK UP, IT'D BE GREAT IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE.
BUT I THINK THAT THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'LL HEAR IS, DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR DOES THIS JUST GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN OUR BUSINESS? ALL THOSE THINGS COULD BE SAID, BUT I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THIS IS NOT TO WRITE TICKETS.
IT'S NOT TO CREATE PROBABLE CAUSE IT'S TO DETER CRIME AND TO HOPE, MAKE A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFER.
AND TO HAVE CHILDREN REACHED AT AN EARLIER AGE.
IT'S NOT TO, UM, DO ANYTHING HERE, SINISTER OR DO ANYTHING THAT WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, BUT WE GIVE THE PARENTS A TOOL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA, ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD IS JUST, WE WANNA MAKE IT A TOOL, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW, DID WE DID GO BACK TO THAT ORDER.
AND THERE WAS A COUPLE LITTLE TYPOS OF CORRECTIONS THAT WE DID MAKE ANYTHING.
UM, WELL I JUST, UM, MOST OF THE CITIES IN OUR COUNTY DO HAVE THIS AND Y'ALL REALIZE Y'ALL ALREADY DISCUSSED HOW WE ARE BEING URBANIZED.
WE'RE NOT AS MUCH A RURAL COMMUNITY AS WE USED TO BE.
SO WE DO HAVE THESE AREAS THAT ARE UNINCORPORATED, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES THAT THE CITY'S FACED YEARS AGO WHEN THE CITIES DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT THE JUVENILE CURFEW.
I KNOW THAT'S TRUE FOR THE CITY OF CAMP AND IT MADE A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL THERE.
SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
AND IT WOULD JUST BE A WONDERFUL TOOL FOR US.
UM, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE KIDS CRIMINALIZED.
THANK ALL OF YOU AND, UH, SHERIFFS BEFORE YOU GO.
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NO, GO AHEAD.AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE PUBLIC.
UH, SO AGAIN, I'LL JUST WANT TO RESTATE, AS I SAID, LAST TIME THAT I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE, BUT I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN MY PRECINCT.
UH, AND, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.
UH, BUT BECAUSE PRECINCT FOUR IS, UH, IS, DOES HAVE QUITE A RURAL, UM, CHARACTER TO IT.
UH, A COUPLE OF, UH, MAYBE PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO SHERIFF TO MAYBE RESPOND TO, UH, I HAD A NUMBER OF, I HAD A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT, UH, AS IS TYPICAL WITH THEIR UNDERAGE CHILDREN, THEY MIGHT BE OUT, UH, FISHING LATE AT NIGHT, UH, BEYOND THIS CURFEW TIME IN THE SUMMER, THEY MIGHT BE OUT, UM, FERAL, HOG HUNTING.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT, UH, W WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM SO THAT THE, THAT THESE, UH, THESE, UH, CHILDREN THAT ARE OUT WITH THEIR PARENTS, KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT, UH, ENGAGING IN ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE SECURE IN THAT, IN THAT RECREATIONAL PURSUIT, IT'S GOING TO BE AS OUR PROCESS, ALWAYS IN THIS ORDER.
IT HAS, AS LONG AS THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED ON NEAT THAT IT'S JUST US ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE OF TOUCHING WITH THE PANT AND GOING, HEY, WE'VE HAD CONTACT WITH YOUR KIDS OUT HERE.
AND THEY SAID, OH YEAH, WE KNOW THEY'RE OUT THERE.
WE'RE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE OF, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.
SO LET ME, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE STATUTORY ANSWER.
SO TO SPEAK THAT, AS LONG AS THE PARENT, AS LONG AS THE PARENT RESPONDS AND AUTHORIZES THAT, YES.
I ALLOWED MY CHILDREN TO BE OUT A FROG GIGGING, THEN THAT'S OKAY.
AND YOU'RE WITH YOU'RE WITH ME ON THIS.
IF YOU SAW A KID OUT, UH, HUNTING OR FISHING THAT LATE, THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A REASON TO ENGAGE EXCEPT TO SAY, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP AND GO HOME.
THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE A PHONE CALL CONTACT.
CAUSE THERE IT'S JUST A COMMON SENSE KIND OF APPROACH.
NOW, IF THEY SAY THEY'RE HUNTING AND THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR I'M OUT THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PLANNING SOMETHING OR THERE'S SOME DRUG ACTIVITY, BUT THEY SAY THEY'RE HUNTING.
THEN WE PROBABLY GOING TO GO FARTHER.
IT'S JUST THE SAME KIND OF COMMON SENSE.
I GUARANTEE YOU RIGHT NOW, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
CAUSE YOU DID SAY RURAL IS NOT ENCOUNTERING THOSE GUYS FISHING OR DO ANYTHING.
SO THERE'S NOT ANY MORE DEPUTIES GOING TO BE OUT THERE.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MORE, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT PUTTING A PRICE TAG TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT ENCOUNTERING LAW ENFORCEMENT DOING THE ACTIVITIES THEY'RE DOING NOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ENCOUNTER THEM ONCE YOU GUYS, IF YOU SO CHOOSE PASS THIS CURFEW.
SO IT'S THE SAME KIND OF COMMON SENSE BECAUSE HIS RESOURCES ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
JUST A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED BY SARAH.
IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT BY EXTENSION.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION, A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
SO, UM, AND I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW WE INTEND TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
UH, AND SO I GUESS THE ANALOGY I WANT TO USE AS A DWI, WHAT, HOW WILL IT WORK JUDGE OR SHERIFF? UH, AT WHAT POINT, UH, SHALL WE SAY, WILL THE OFFENSE END, UH, WHEN YOUR OFFICER ENCOUNTERS A FIVE OR SIX KIDS THAT TH THAT THEY IN THEIR JUDGMENT AND THEIR TRAINING HAVE REASON TO, TO, UH, STOP AND, AND, UH, UH, INTERACT WITH AND THEY DETERMINE IN THEIR JUDGMENT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SCENE.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN THERE THAT, UH, THAT THIS IS THAT AN OFFENSE HAS OCCURRED.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THE OFFENSE END? IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S IS OUR DEPUTY THEN GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO TRANSPORT THOSE CHILDREN TO THEIR PARENTS.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO STAY THERE WITH THOSE CHILDREN UNTIL THE PARENTS RESPOND? I I'LL CERTAINLY DO NOW WITH JUVENILES OR ANYTHING THAT WE DO.
WE RUN ACROSS WITH THEM EVEN WHERE WE'RE USING THE ASPECT OF, YOU KNOW, CHILD NEEDING SUPERVISION, WE'RE CALLING THE PARENTS AND WE BRING THAT.
IT'S ALL GOOD, COMMON SENSE PRACTICES THAT WE'VE SET FROM YEARS AGO OF HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH JUVENILES OF CALLING THEIR PARENTS AND BRINGING THEM TO THE SCENE.
IF WE CAN, IF NOT REACHING OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT CAN TAKE ACCESS TO THAT CHILD AND BE THE GUARDIAN FOR THAT CHILD, AN AUNT AND UNCLE, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REALLY THE PENALTY WILL HAPPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF WE'VE GOT A SITUATION DEPENDING WITH, WITH A PARENT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE, IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, BUT I THINK SHERIFF IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, AND LAURA CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
IF YOU HAVE THAT CIRCUMSTANCE RIGHT NOW AND WOULD REFER YOU TO THE, UM, PROPOSED ORDER, THE VIOLATIONS ARE LISTED UNDER TWO.
AND THE PENALTY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS UNDER FIVE.
BUT I THINK TO GO MORE SPECIFICALLY, IF I UNDERSTAND, CAUSE YOU'RE YOU DID, BUT BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GOING FROM REASONABLE SUSPICION TO PROBABLE CAUSE ON WHEN DO WE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT'S JAILABLE.
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SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S DONE WHEN WE FEEL THE CHILD IS SECURE AGAIN.SO IF THE CHILD IS OUT AND AROUND IN A, A VEHICLE AND WE CAN'T GET AHOLD OF A PARENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SHERIFF'S CALL.
YOU NEED TO GET OFF THE STREET.
IF THE CHILD'S ON FOOT, THAT MIGHT BE A TRANSPORT.
LET'S JUST SAY, AND I BELIEVE ME, I GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE IT, UTILIZING YOUR JUDGMENT AND YEAH.
AND COMMON SENSE ON THE STREET.
BUT, BUT, UH, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY ANALOGY OF A DUI, WE DON'T, WE DON'T LET THAT OFFENSE CONTINUE.
WE DON'T CITE THE GUY FOR DUI AND THEN SEND HIM ON HOLD.
SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION.
I'M I'M ASKING PROCEDURALLY IT'S A CLASSIC IF NEED BE YOU'LL CITE THE CHILD AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL RELEASE THEM IN FORDHAM HOME.
NOTHING HERE IS, UH, IN, IN KIDS.
AREN'T JAILABLE BUT NOTHING'S A DETAINABLE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU GET THE KID AND SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS AND YOU REALIZE HE HAS A HANDGUN, OR YOU SEE THAT HE HAS SOME PAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT ON JUST THIS ALONE, IT'S A CLASS C.
SO WE TAKE IT AND GO, OKAY, THANK YOU ALL.
DO I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT KIM K Y'ALL DID MAKE IT CLEAR BECAUSE THAT'S, I HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE, BUT THE NEGATIVES I DID HEAR, THEY WERE ASKING QUESTIONS MORE THAN NEGATIVE STATEMENTS, BECAUSE WE ARE LARGELY RULE THIS PART OF THE COUNTY AND PEOPLE CAN MOVE OUT FOR ROPINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT KIND OF GO BACK TO WHEN I WAS A KID, WHEN THEY WERE, THEY CAUGHT YOU AND THEY TOOK YOU HOME AND YOU GOT WHOOPED.
EVERYBODY KNEW YOUR PARENTS BACK THEN.
SO YOU GOT A CALL ON THE PHONE AND YOU WENT HOME LAST NIGHT.
THAT'S ONE THING I LIKED THE PERSONAL WHILE YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM.
THE KEY IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT NOW WITH THE JUVENILES, THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING, THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO THE ROPINGS, THE ONES WHO'S GOING HUNTING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT ARE NOT IN BIG GROUPS.
THEY'RE USUALLY NOT OUR PROBLEM.
THE ONES, OUR PROBLEMS WITH FOUR OR FIVE, THAT'S WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT HUNTING, NOT FISHING, DOING THAT.
THAT'S THE ONE WE WON'T CONTACT WITH.
THAT'S THE ONE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR PARENTS.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME COMPLIANCE.
THIS AIN'T ABOUT MAKING MONEY.
THIS AIN'T ABOUT JUST WRITING TICKETS AND PUTTING PEOPLE.
IT'S TRYING TO JUST GET COMPLIANCE OF KEEPING THESE KIDS OFF THE STREET.
ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, WE HAD THIS WHEN I WORKED AT DERBY AND PD AND IT WAS A GREAT TOOL.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT HELPS A LOT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN KEN REQUESTED THE TIME TO GET THIS A LITTLE MORE OUT, Y'ALL DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING OUT THERE.
I'VE SEEN IT ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME AND ASKED ME WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
AND I, UH, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEGATIVE AT ALL.
EVERYBODY IN MY PRECINCT IS THEY'RE ALL FOR IT.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING.
Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, GETTING IT OUT THERE AND HELPING EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.
SO I'M ON, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE TOO, IN MY PRECINCT, I'VE HAD NO NEGATIVE CONTACT ABOUT THIS AND WHAT WAS REALLY, EVEN, EVEN STRANGER YESTERDAY, I HAD A MAN COME TO ME, COMPLAINING ABOUT, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A CURFEW.
HE HAD NO CLUE THAT WE WERE FIXING TO DO THIS.
HE'S A 34 YEAR RED OR NO, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT RETIRED AND HE'S OWN.
HE LIVES ON LAKE RAY HUBBARD DRIVE.
THEN AT THE VERY END OF THE CIRCLE AND EVERY NIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A BIG GANG DOWN THERE AND IT'S DRIVING HIM CRAZY.
AND WHEN I HANDED HIM THE AGENDA, THE AGENDA HIGHLIGHTED IT.
I SAID, HERE, YOU CAN TAKE THIS HOME WAY.
HE SAID HE WAS REALLY SHOCKED.
HE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT HE WAS UP THERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S FIXING TO HAPPEN.
HE SAID, COULD HE, COULD YOU ADD THE ADULTS TO THAT TOO? TELL HIM NO, NO, WE CAN'T.
I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE FROM A REQUEST FROM DODI SLAMMER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME, RIGHT.
WOULD YOU STILL CARE TO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? DO WE NEED TO PASS THIS? OKAY.
WE'RE STILL IN THE POST HEARING.
WOULD YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE? UH, DODI SALAMA.
I LIVE IN MESQUITE, BUT I WORK IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
I AM WITH HARTLAND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 3,200 HOMES AND WE WILL BE OVER 6,000 HOMES AT BUILD OUT.
AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS CURFEW BECAUSE WE SEE THE NEED FOR IT.
AND AS WE GROW, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ME.
WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND TO COME OVER AND TALK TO US.
UH, THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WITH US WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED ACTION?
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OKAY.WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY COMING FORWARD.
[19. Discuss/Consider exiting public hearing and enter back into a regular meeting.]
FOR A MOTION TO EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK INTO REGULAR MEETING.WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I SUPPOSE NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM
[20. Discuss/Consider approving order establishing a juvenile curfew in Kaufman County.]
20.DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AN ORDER.
ESTABLISHING A JUVENILE CURFEW IN COFFIN COUNTY.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ORDER, UH, BY COMMISSIONER BARBER.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[21. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider re-appointing Commissioner Terry Barber and Commissioner Hunt to the Terrell Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 1 and Power Center Boards.]
UH, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPOINTING COMMISSIONER, TERRY BARBER AND COMMISSIONER HUNT TO THE TERRIBLE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.NUMBER ONE IN POWER CENTER BOARDS.
I THINK THEIR TERMS ON ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE BOARDS HAVE, OR ARE GETTING READY TO EXPIRE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, WOULD SOMEBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THOSE THAT REAPPOINTMENTS TO THOSE TWO BOARDS I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
BARBARA MAKES MOTION THAT, UH, THAT COMMERCIAL BARBARA AND COMMISSIONER HUNT BE REAPPOINTED TO THE TERRELL TAX INVESTMENT ZONE.
NUMBER ONE, AND THE POWER CENTER BOARDS.
IS THERE A SECOND, I GUESS I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[22. Karen Daloney; Discuss/Consider/Approve City of Cottonwood Claim for Road Damages.]
STEP.KAREN DELANEY DISCUSSED CONSIDER APPROVAL OF CITY OF COTTONWOOD CLAIM FOR ROAD DAMAGES.
SO I DID RESEND I'M A CERTIFIED LETTER TO COMMISSIONER KATE'S IN REGARDS TO THE GRAVEL TRUCKS, UM, ON JUNE 3RD AND FOURTH THAT, UM, WAS REPAIRING THE BRIDGE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH WAS JUST OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS.
I SENT A SECOND REQUEST AND THEN HERE I AM TO DISCUSS THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR $2,000 IN DAMAGES FOR THOSE GRAVEL TRUCKS.
UM, IT WAS A VERY WET AND MUDDY SITUATION.
UM, THOSE GRAVEL TRUCKS WEIGH EMPTY 26,000 POUNDS.
UM, I GOT SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM, UH, RESIDENTS, UM, ABOUT THE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN.
SO I DID GO DOWN THERE ON FRIDAY WHEN I DID RECEIVE NOTICE AND A VIDEO AND ASKED THE GENTLEMAN IF THEY COULD PLEASE TURN AROUND AND GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UM, AND THEY SAID, NO, THEY COULDN'T.
SO I PARKED MY CAR AND THEY IMMEDIATELY CALLED COMMISSIONER KATE'S AND HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME TO MOVE MY CAR.
AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRUCKS ARE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE TO OUR ROADS.
COULD THEY PLEASE TURN AROUND? AND HE SAID, UM, I NEED YOU TO MOVE YOUR CAR.
AND I SAID, WELL, LET ME CALL THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I'LL CALL YOU RIGHT BACK.
AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD IS LOOKING FOR $2,000 FOR GRAVEL TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE THAT THE TRUCKS DID TO THE CITY ROAD.
AFTER THE CONSTABLE DID COME AND SPEAK TO THE DRIVERS, THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AND NOT DO ANY MORE DAMAGE TO OUR ROADS.
UM, SO I GUESS I WILL ASK SINCE THIS IS, THIS IS A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OR ADD X INSTRUCTION? UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, OR I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICES AND REMEDIES CODE, IF SOMEONE HAS A COMPLAINT OR A CLAIM AGAINST THE COUNTY, THAT WHEN THEY GIVE NOTICE LIKE MR LONEY PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONER KATE'S, THEN, UM, WE ASKED THEM TO COME AND PRESENT THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROPER JURISDICTIONAL PROCESS.
SO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN TAKE ACTION, THEY CAN REQUEST MORE INFORMATION, THEY CAN, UM, PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT, DENY, TAKE, GET MORE INFORMATION REALLY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN DO AS THEY WISH ON THIS ISSUE.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, FROM A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE THAT, UM, THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD HAS MADE THEIR CLAIM AND THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WE DO, I DO HAVE WITNESSES THAT ARE HERE, RESIDENTS THAT CAN SPEAK ALSO TO THE DAMAGE.
SO I THINK, I GUESS I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY, UH, I ASKED COMMISSIONER CATES, IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE DAMAGE TO THE ROAD? IS THERE, WAS THERE DAMAGE
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TO THE ROAD OR DO YOU KNOW, OR THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE ROAD WAS IMPACTED, UH, THIS ROAD, UH, THIS CITY ROAD IS ESSENTIALLY A DIRT ROAD, UM, WAS IN DISREPAIR BEFORE OUR TRUCKS EVER.UM, IF YOU WILL SET FOOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT WE TOOK, UH, PRIOR TO OUR TRUCKS BEGINNING.
AND I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO UPLOAD SOME OF THOSE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD PRIOR TO THE, UH, THE COUNTY VEHICLES.
IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT AND YOU CAN, AS SOON AS I'M FINISHED, UH, WHAT I WOULD POINT OUT IS THAT, UH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A, A CITY COUNTY, UH, ISSUE, UH, THAT ROAD IS A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, UH, AND, AND PRECINCT FOUR HAD ROUTINELY UTILIZED THAT ROAD.
AND IN FACT, WE HAVE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH COTTONWOOD WHERE WE MAINTAIN SOME OF THEIR ROADS.
SO THE COUNTY VEHICLES HAD ROUTINELY UTILIZED THAT ROAD.
AND THERE WAS NO QUESTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXPERIENCED A DRAMATIC AMOUNT OF, UM, RAINFALL.
AND SO THE CONDITIONS OUT THERE WERE MUDDY.
UM, THE ENTIRE INCIDENT WAS REGRETTABLE.
UH, THE, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE CREWS SIMPLY WERE PERFORMING AS THEY HAD ALL ALONG FOR, FOR DECADES, UH, UTILIZING, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS THROUGH THAT ROAD.
AND AS I SAID, WE FREQUENTLY REPAIR THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ROADS IN THAT AREA, UH, ANYWAY WITH OUR EQUIPMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT THIS CLAIM I BELIEVE IS EXCESSIVE, UH, FOR, UH, UH, DRAMATICALLY EXCESSIVE FOR, UH, ANY AMOUNT OF, UH, ALLEGED DAMAGE TO THE ROAD.
UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE ROAD WAS, WAS, UH, UH, REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIRED OR DAMAGED FROM THE CONDITION THAT WAS BEFORE WE EVER GOT THERE.
AND REALLY WE WERE JUST CONDUCTING ROUTINE AND NORMAL COUNTY MAINTENANCE, UH, IN THE PRECINCT.
UM, THE MAYOR, UH, I'M NOT SURE YOU IDENTIFIED YOURSELF.
UH, THE MAYOR TOOK IT ON HERSELF TO INTERFERE AND, AND, UH, BLOCK THE COUNTY WORKERS IN AND, AND, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE I HAD TO CALL THE SHERIFF AND ALSO THE CONSTABLE, UH, TO ASK HER TO REMOVE HER VEHICLE FROM A PUBLIC ROADWAY WHERE SHE WAS BLOCKING TRAFFIC.
SO IT WAS A VOLATILE SITUATION THAT WAS REGRETTABLE, NO DOUBT, BUT, UH, IT WAS REALLY JUST, UH, A NORMAL AND ROUTINE COUNTY OPERATIONS OUT THERE JUST AS THEY HAD DONE ALL ALONG.
AND, UH, I DISPUTE THE FACT THAT THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO WHAT IS IN, IN, IN ESSENCE, A MUDDY DIRT ROAD.
WELL, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOUR FINDING NO QUESTION.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE DID HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THAT YOU DID STATE THAT YOU WERE UNAWARE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD BEFORE YOUR GRAVEL TRUCKS DID.
I DO KNOW THAT I DID, AND I WAS UNAWARE OF IT AT THAT TIME.
MY, OKAY, WAIT, YOU'RE NOT, EXCUSE ME.
UH, WE, IN RESPONSE, I WAS UNAWARE THAT MY FOREMAN HAD TAKEN PHOTOGRAPHS WHEN I SPOKE WITH YOU.
SO THAT, THAT CAME TO MY KNOWLEDGE AFTER OUR CONFERENCE.
YOU ALSO, I DID RECEIVE A VOICEMAIL.
I HAD SURGERY THAT WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, BUT I DID RECEIVE A VOICEMAIL FROM YOU ON WEDNESDAY THAT I TRIED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU WHEN YOU HUNG UP ON ME ON FRIDAY, THAT YOU HAD GOTTEN SEVERAL CALLS FROM RESIDENTS IN REGARDS TO HOW BAD THE COUNTY ROAD WAS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT COUNTY ROAD.
I TOTALLY DISAGREE THAT WHEN YOU GOT 26, YOU DO DO REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON THE ROAD.
YOU DO NOT DO ANY GRADING ON OUR ROAD WHEN IT'S MUDDY, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'LL DETERIORATE THE ROAD, THOSE GRAVEL TRUCKS EMPTY WAY, 26,000 POUNDS.
YOU CAME OFF AT 34 ON A COUNTY ROAD.
YOUR TRUCKS WERE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK, BUT YOU CHOSE FOR TWO DAYS TO CARRY THOSE GRAVEL TRUCKS UP AND DOWN THE MUDDY ROAD, THE OTHER DIRECTIONS, NOT A MIGHTY ROAD, THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD THAT YOU MAINTAIN.
SO I DO DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT DID CAUSE SOME DAMAGE.
UM, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ESTIMATE IS NOT, IS A LITTLE HIGH OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DID DO DAMAGE.
DID IT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN WHAT WAS THERE WITH A FULL GRAVEL TRUCK? ABSOLUTELY CARS WERE BOTTOMING OUT AND COULDN'T GET THROUGH.
SO I JUST RESPOND THAT, UH, ALL OF US THAT ARE IN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE BUSINESS, OKAY.
AS THE PUBLIC TRAVELS, OUR ROADS, UH, THE ROADS ARE IMPACTED BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, UH, SOMETIMES THE IMPACT IS MORE HARSH THAN WE'D LIKE, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE.
UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE OF THOSE TRUCKS AND THOSE AND THAT EQUIPMENT OUT THERE IS
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A REALLY LARGE EQUIPMENT.THOSE ARE VERY, VERY NARROW, ABOUT 18 FEET, WIDE ROADS, VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR, AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, UM, DETRACTS FROM EFFICIENCY TO HAVE TO TRY TO TURN THOSE TRUCKS AROUND INSIDE AN 18 FOOT 16, 18 FOOT ROAD.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I JUST POINT OUT THAT THE COUNTY VEHICLES WERE, WERE ENGAGING IN BUSINESS, THAT THEY HAVE ROUTINELY ENGAGED IN THROUGHOUT DECADES IN THAT AREA.
BUT YOU WERE AT THE TRUCKS WERE ABLE, AFTER THE CONSTABLE DID COME, THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK DOWN THE COUNTY ROAD.
I KNOW THAT MIGHT'VE TAKEN SOME MORE TIME.
BUT IT WOULD HAVE NOT DAMAGED THE ROAD SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE NOW COULDN'T EVEN DRIVE THEIR CARS DOWN.
I'D DISPUTE THAT THE DAMAGE WAS THAT SUFFICIENT.
IT WAS, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A NO, NO TRUNK ZONE ON THAT, OR WE'RE GETTING READY TO PROPOSE THAT FOR A NO TRUCK ZONE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY I'D SUGGEST THAT YES.
AS LONG AS THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE SO THAT YOU WON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
CAUSE I HAVE TO DO THAT ON MY ROADS.
AND ALL THIS, TRY TO STOP THAT EXACTLY.
SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO PROPOSE THAT OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE NO TRUMP, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD HELP JUST LOOKING TO TRY TO RECOVER IT.
WAIT, YOU CAN GIVE THEM A TICKET OR ENFORCED IT.
UH, THE MAYOR IS REPRESENTING THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M IN THE CITY AND TARDY.
THEN YOU'D BE WELCOME TO SPEAK WITH HER ON HER OWN, HER BATH.
I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, MR. CASE, IS THAT THE ONLY PICTURE YOU HAVE? NO, I HAVE, UH, TWO OR THREE OTHERS.
CAN WE SAY THE OTHER SPLIT? OKAY.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? THERE'S NO DAMAGE THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNS OUT, SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME, THAT'S THE SAME PLACE.
THAT'S THE SAME RESIDENT RIGHT THERE.
WELL, WE'D LIKE TO DO THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN BY OUR FOREMAN.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO SHOW THE PICTURES THAT WE TOOK AND SHOW THE ACTUAL DAMAGES, NOT BYPASSING BY THESE PICTURES THAT WAS TAKEN BY MR. CATES.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TAKE THE PICTURES, MY FOREMAN ON THE SCENE PICTURES.
JUST LIKE FOR THE, JUST THE COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO SEE SOME OF THE DAMAGE.
UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE AND HERE'S JUST THE SONGWRITER OF THE GRAVEL TRUCKS.
THEY WERE GOING UP AND DOWN AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A PUBLIC THERAPY.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER THAT THE COUNTY WOULD IT MAKE, IT HELPS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS NOT TO DESTROY YOUR CITY ROAD, KNOWING THE CONDITION THAT IT'S IN AND KNOWING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATE ROUTE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN.
UM, CITY OF COTTONWOOD IS AN INCORPORATED CITY.
THE ONLY REVENUE THAT WE GET AT THIS POINT IS FRANCHISE REVENUE FROM TRINITY VALLEY.
AND THAT'S ABOUT $4,500 A YEAR.
SO ANY KIND OF DAMAGE THAT THE COUNTY DOES OR ANYONE IMPACTS US.
UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE A PROPOSAL HERE JUST TO PUT FOR THE COURT AND THIS'LL BE AN INVOLVING WHETHER THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED IS, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT IT WAS A COUNTY TRUCK THAT WAS ON THE ROAD.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEING IT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY I HEAR A DISPUTE ABOUT THE VALUE OR THE COST OF THE, THE DOLLAR COST OF THE DAMAGE.
UM, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE THING FOR THE ATTORNEYS TO VISIT WITH THE ATTORNEY AND TRY TO WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS BECAUSE WHAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY DOCUMENTS HERE TO SUPPORT ANY SORT OF A CLAIM.
UM, JUDGE, YOUR HONOR, THE COURT CAN GIVE THE ATTORNEY PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, BASICALLY THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD HAS MET THEIR JURISDICTIONAL OBLIGATION BY BRINGING THE CLAIM BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, YOU CAN, UM, CERTAINLY MAKE A MOTION, UM, YOU KNOW, ASKING THE ATTORNEYS TO WORK TOGETHER.
YOU TRUST THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS TO, UH, WORK OUT A RESOLUTION TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COURT.
NO, I MEAN, SINCE YOU'RE TALKING, DARNESE HERE, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ARNIE IN OPEN COURT, BUT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO DISPUTE YOUR CLAIM FOR YOUR TRUCK, BUT THE PROBLEM COMES IN, IN,
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IN THE, MY EYES IS THAT IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD.YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND, AND I'M TRYING TO TAKE AWAY TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
JUST LIKE WE TOLD HER, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GO AFTER SOMEBODY THAT COMES DOWN MINE AND LESS THAN I HAVE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WELL, I GET, I DO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
UH, IF, IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED AND I WAS PROBABLY OVER THERE, I'D PROBABLY SEND A GRAVEL TRUCK OVER AND JUST FAILED THEN.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD, I WOULD AGREE.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE.
I CAN'T EVEN AGREE WITH HIM TO SAVE FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE SAID THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING SETTLEABLE FAMILY.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A COUNTY ROAD, THAT'S IN A CITY THAT THE COUNTY, IF, IF HE'S MAINTAINING IT AND THEN HE NEEDS TO COMPLAINTS, HE'S MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN IT.
BUT IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU CAN'T TEAR IT UP ALSO WOULD NOT FIX IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
WAS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PAYROLL THAT YOU ARE MAINTAINING, THAT YOU COME DOWN, I'M NOT ARGUING, TEAR IT OFF.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR US, SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING FOR US TO SAY THAT I DON'T WANT MY TRUCK TO DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY OF 40 AND THEY CALL ME AND SAY, YOU JUST MADE THAT POTHOLE.
I SAW WHERE Y'ALL YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? IS IT OPENS UP A DOOR THAT I DON'T WANT TO MONDAY.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO COUNTY, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO AN INDIVIDUAL, NOBODY WE'RE TALKING TO COUNTY, BUT WE DO HAVE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS.
SO THEY DO UNDERSTAND IT'S A DIRT ROAD WITH THE RAIN.
IS THAT ABSOLUTELY THE BEST POSSIBLE ROUTE? I AGREE.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK, I THINK IN OUR POSITION IN MINE, I JUST THINK IT'S A DIRT ROAD NOW WHEN IT USED TO NOT BE A DIRT ROAD AT NIGHTTIME.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S AN ACCURATE, UH, WE'VE NEVER DECLINED TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADS.
WE ONLY, UH, REQUIRE THAT WE MAINTAIN THEM ACCORDING TO LAW UNDER AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
WELL, YOU STATED THAT I INDICATED I WASN'T GOING TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADS.
I'M ONLY GOING TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADS ACCORDING TO THE STATUTES PURSUANT ON THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
UH, UH, JUDGE, I, I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A MATTER TO BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE ATTORNEYS SIMPLY BECAUSE BEYOND THIS MATTER, UH, BEYOND THIS INCIDENT, WHICH WAS REGRETTABLE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
BUT AGAIN, UH, IT WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING PURPOSEFUL DONE HERE.
IT, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A UTILIZATION OF A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT BEYOND THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT, I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP MY PRECINCT OR THIS COUNTY TO, UH, TO ANY, UH, CLAIM, WHETHER IT BE, UH, UH, UH, DEEMED JERMAINE OR FRIVOLOUS, EVERY TIME A COUNTY TRUCK GOES UP AND DOWN, UH, OR, OR HAS TO TRANSIT A CITY.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE.
AND I WISHED THAT I COULD GO AFTER EVERY GARBAGE TRUCK THAT DIS THAT DESTROYS, UH, UH, COUNTY ROAD OR, UH, EVERY CEMENT TRUCK, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE.
AND THAT'S THE NATURE OF BEING IN, IN EITHER CITY OR COUNTY GOVERN.
BUT WHEN YOU ARE REPAIRING A PART OF A COUNTY ROAD, OR YOU'RE TAKING EIGHT TO 10 GRAVEL TRUCKS DOWN A MUDDY ROAD, THAT IS NOT JUST AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE WITH A GARBAGE TRUCK OR ANY OTHER TRUCKS, TRUCKS RUN UP AND DOWN THOSE ROADS EVERY DAY.
BUT YOU HAD SIX TO EIGHT IN TWO DAYS WITH THE RAIN, WITH A FOOT OF WATER OVER THE ROADS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION TO THE MAYOR OF THE CITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DOING THIS.
IF WE TEAR UP ANY PART, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING A GRAVEL TRUCK, GIVE YOU SOME WATER.
DOES ANYONE EVER NORMALLY NOTIFY YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE A TRUCK THROUGH YOUR CITY, THE COUNTY NOW THE COUNTY DOESN'T BUT YOU WOULD FALL OUT AS NO, NO, NO.
I DIDN'T ASK YOU IF THE COUNTY DID, DOES ANYONE EVER NOTIFY YOU? THEY NOTE SOME PEOPLE HAVE COMMERCIAL VOLUME SAY WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE THROUGH YOUR CITY.
THEY CALL AND THEY'RE MAKING A DELIVERY.
AND I LIKE TO JUDGE JUST QUICKLY.
I LIKE TO POINT OUT ALSO THAT WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO A BIG HEAD IS WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE POST OFFICE THERE.
WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO COME DOWN A ROAD, DELIVER THE MAIL BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF ROADS IT WAS CREATED BY THE DAMAGE BY THE COUNTY DID NOT HELP THE DIRECTS.
WOULD THAT DAMAGE ACTUALLY, UH, AS I RECALL, YOU NOTIFIED ME.
YOU HAD THAT LETTER PRIOR TO THAT.
WE GOT IT AFTER I'VE GOT A COPY OF IT.
WELL, YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT AT YOUR SHITTY.
YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT AT YOUR CITY MEETING WHILE WE MENTIONED TO YOU PRIOR TO THIS INCIDENT AT THE MEETING WAS AFTER THE INCIDENT, THE MEETING WAS ON THE SEVENTH.
YOU DID IT ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH.
WHAT WE MENTIONED TO HIM THOUGH IN THE MEETING WAS NOT
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THE MAIL.AMAZON SAID THEY WERE GOING TO STOP DELIVERING ON OUR ROAD ALSO.
HEAR THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT IT WAS THE POST OFFICE.
THE MEETING WAS ON THE SEVENTH, THE DAMAGES ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT, CAUSE I DID HAVE THE CERTIFIED LETTER FROM THE POST OFFICE.
AND THEN WE ALSO WERE NOTIFIED BY AMAZON.
SO THAT'S AND THAT'S REGRETTABLE.
THAT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THE, THAT AMAZON POST OFFICE, I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
THOSE ARE GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION, UH, REGARDING ITEM 22.
IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS CLAIM.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CAGE TO DENY THE CLAIM.
UH, THE SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS PERSONNEL HERE AT ALL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WERE MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION? YOU'RE VOTING.
YOU VOTED TO DENY THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE CLAIM CLAIM AND YOUR VOTE IS YES.
ALL YESES WITH EXCEPTION TO COMMISSIONER HUNT AND HIS VOTE IS NO.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO
[23. Commissioner Barber; Discuss/Consider approving Annual 2021-2022 Road Report for Precinct 3.]
ITEM 22, COMMISSIONER BARBER, DISCUSS APPROVING THE ANNUAL 1,020 1 22 ROAD REPORT FOR PRECINCT THREE.BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE THAT? THANK YOU.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A BIT LATE, BUT WE GOT INTO THIS AND REALIZED THAT, UH, THE CITY OF POETRY HAD TAKEN SOME ROADS IN WHEN THEY INCORPORATED.
SO, UH, WE NOW HAVE COMPLETED AND, UH, UH, THE ORIGINAL COPY HERE FOR THE COUNTY CLERK AS WELL.
UH, JUST TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD HERE THAT, UH, WE FINISHED OUR ROAD REPORT QUESTIONS.
NO, IF THERE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ANNUAL 2122 ROAD REPORT FOR PRECINCT THREE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE HAVE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM
[24. Commissioner Cates; Discuss/Consider interlocal agreement/project agreement for the City of Mabank to grind area at the Mabank High School.]
24.COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSS, CONSIDER INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT, PROJECT AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF MAY BANK FOR THE CITY, MAY BANK TO GRIND AREA AT THE MAYBANK BANK HIGH SCHOOL.
THIS IS, UH, JUST A ROUTINE AT OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT PROJECT AGREEMENT TO GRIND A VERY SHORT PORTION OF, UH, OF THE HIGH SCHOOL DRIVEWAYS, UH, THAT IS IN DISREPAIR AND DAMAGING SCHOOL BUSES.
UH, SO WE'RE JUST DOING, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO A SHORT GRIND FOR CITY OF MAY BANK QUESTIONS, IF FOR NO QUESTIONS.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 24? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER CAGE TO PROVE, UH, THAT ITEM IS PRESENTED IN 20 FOURS OR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM
[25. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider motion to approve interlocal cooperation agreement between Kaufman County and the City of Rosser.]
25.MONIQUE HUNTER DISCUSS, CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE INNER LOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ROSSER.
THIS ONE IS FOR, UM, CITY OF ROSSER AND, UM, IT'S JUST A INTERLUDE HIDDEN, DIDN'T HAVE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM PRIOR.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THEN, UM, THE CITY AND COUNTY DESIRE THAT, UM, THE CITY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF IT.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 25? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
I THINK THAT'S A WORLD RECORD SHORT ITEM FOR YOU.
[26. Kristi Dickey; Discuss/Consider motion to Approve revised Preliminary Plat of Towering Oaks Estates Located on CR 129 inPCTl.]
UP CHRISTIE DICKIE DISCUSSED.CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT OF TOWERING OAKS, UH, ESTATES LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD, 1 21 IN PRECINCT.
ONE, ONE TO NINE IN PRECINCT ONE, SORRY.
UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE CAME IN, UH, TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TOWERING OAKS.
UM, WE WERE GETTING READY TO SET THE CONSTRUCTION MEETING AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY HAD SOME REVISIONS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, IN DOING, THEY WENT TO, UH, THEY PRESENTED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AGAIN, WE SENT THAT OVER TO THE CONSULTING ENGINEERS.
THEY APPROVED, UM, THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, ESSENTIALLY THEY WENT FROM 21, LOTS TO 29 MONTHS.
AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COURT TO APPROVE
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THAT REVISION, TO ADD THOSE SLOTS QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTIE.IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 26? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THAT PLAT, UH, CURRENTLY PLAT CHANGE.
IS THERE A SECOND? THAT MOTION? I'M SORRY.
THE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[27. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider receipt, transfer, and disposal of County owned assets.]
NEXT UP.WHERE GOING TO SMITH DISCUSS, CONSIDER RECEIPT TRANSFER AND DISPOSAL OF COUNTY OWN ASSETS.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS JUST SOME FILE CABINETS AND A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT I'M ASKING TO DONATE THE FILE CABINETS QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DISPOSAL OF THOSE COUNTY ASSETS AS PRESENTED? UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION BY THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS OR SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES
[28. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of Task Order: TBGC-Kaufman County-TOl-07.01.2021, effective July 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021, for an amount not to exceed $250,000; utilizing RFP 21-14.]
ITEM 28 BACK TO RAYLAND DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER T B G C KAUFMAN COUNTY.I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THOSE NUMBERS, UH, FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 250,000 UTILIZING RFP 21 DASH 14.
SO THIS IS THE OFFICIAL TASK ORDER.
UM, FOR TIDAL BASIN TO BEGIN WORK WITH OUR, UH, AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS.
I DID PUT A COPY OF THE TASK ORDER IN YOUR PACKET JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, THIS IS FOR GENERAL GRANT MANAGEMENT, ANY OF THE INTERNAL CONTROL ASSESSMENTS PRE-AUDIT AND AUDIT DOCUMENTATION.
UM, THEY WILL HELP IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE SUBMIT.
UM, THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING ONE FTE AND REALLY FEEL LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK WOULD BE DONE IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, AS FAR AS SETTING UP, UM, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PORTALS AND THE PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE IN WHAT WILL BE WEEKLY PHONE CALLS WITH TIDAL BASIN, UH, WORKING THROUGH OUR PROJECT LIST.
AND SO I'LL BE CONTINUALLY UPDATING YOU ON APPROVAL PROCESSES, QUESTIONS ON ITEM 28.
SO, UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE Q AND A'S HAVE POSTED THROUGH, UH, JULY 19TH, THEY CONTINUE TO POST THOSE.
UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THE FINAL RULE FROM THE U S TREASURY BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH THE INTERIM.
SO, UM, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH Q AND A AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON OUR PROJECT DOCUMENTATION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL RULE, BUT WE HAVE THIS AS FUNNY, WE HAVE THE FINAL PRELIMINARY RULE.
LIKE A NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT, UH, QUESTIONS FOR REILAND.
THIS IS, THIS, THE SAME GROUP IS HELPING US WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER.
YES, THAT'S WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID.
THEY WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THEY ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER GRANTS TO HELP SUPPORT THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THAT TASK ORDER IS PRESENTED? YEAH, I'LL MAKE IT.
WE HAD A MOTION COMMISSIONER FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES
[29. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of Kaufman County Services - SOUTH design recommendations.]
LAST DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF KAUFMAN COUNTY SERVICES, SOUTH DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS.SO YOU HAVE APPROVED THE TASK ORDER FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER EXTENSION.
UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE AT LEAST HAVE THE GROUNDWORK, ET CETERA DONE.
WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO LINK PARKING LOTS AND ROADS, UM, WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING WITH THOSE PARTIES WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE DESIGN.
I NEEDED TO COME BACK TO YOU JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, A RECOMMENDED CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN.
SO ORIGINALLY I THINK THAT EVERYONE HAD HOPED WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE COURTROOM WITHIN THIS FACILITY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAME BACK TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE WOULD BE TO JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CASELOAD, ET CETERA, FROM THE PRECINCTS.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO COME BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR BEFORE WE MOVED ON TO THE DESIGN PROCESS, BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, ONE THING DID, DID, UH, THE CONSTABLE CALL YOU BACK THAT AFTERNOON ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ONE IN EACH FLOOR.
SO, UM, HOK IS WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FINAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE AT THE BUILDING.
AND OF COURSE YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE DESIGN CONCEPT ONCE THAT'S AMENDED.
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I JUST WANTED TO, WE JUST KIND OF STOPPED EVERYTHING FOR A FEW MINUTES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT CHANGE.THEN, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THAT CHANGES THE SOUTH DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO MOVE WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER CASES ARE.
SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
UM, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD REARRANGE THIS AGENDA JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IF WE DID AND THE AUDITOR COULD GO AND, UM, OR SHE COULD GO BACK TO WORK, THAT'D BE EVEN A BETTER IDEA, UH, WORKING NOW FIRST, YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR THREE ITEMS? YEAH.
[31. Auditor; Discuss/Consider approval of Financial Report as of June 30, 2021.]
SKIP DOWN TO 31.AND, UM, THIS, THE AUDITOR SHOULD DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE FINANCIAL REPORT AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2021.
THESE WERE ENCLOSED IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW.
THIS IS AS OF THE MONTH OF JUNE, 2021, NINE MONTHS IN YOUR FISCAL YEAR SHOULD BE 70 SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT.
YOUR GENERAL FUND AT YOUR REVENUES ARE AT 92.07% AND YOUR EXPENDITURES ARE AT 70.02%, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD.
AND, UH, YOUR GENERAL ROAD AND BRIDGE IS AT 96, 90 7% ALMOST TO 98% COLLECTION.
TRANSFIRST YAR AT 95% QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITOR ABOUT HER REPORT.
IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINANCIAL REPORT? I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT TO ME IT IS ALL RIGHT.
I'LL T I'LL WAIT UNTIL YOU GIVE ME THAT.
UM, ON PAGE FOUR, THE REPORT I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE TOTAL DEBT SERVICE OF BONDED DEBT, SHERIFFS, THE INTEREST, AND IT SHOWS IT BY YEAR, HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR DEBT SERVICE.
AND I FOUND THAT PRETTY INTERESTING.
IT LISTS EACH BOND ISSUE, SEPARATE AND COLUMN, BUT THEN IT TOTALS IT FOR YOU.
SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OUR, OUR DADDY IS THEN, UM, I INCLUDED, UH, A CASH AUDIT REPORT THAT, UM, MY EMPLOYEES DO, AND I KNOW WHO THE EMPLOYEE IS THAT SHORT OR OVER, BUT I DID NOT WANT IT PUT ON A REPORT.
AND THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE ARE THE THINGS SECURE.
THEY'RE LOCKED UP, KEYS PUT AWAY.
AND IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEN SIX PAGE 6, 7, 8 ARE ALL YOUR CASH ACCOUNTS TELLS YOU HOW MUCH YOU HAVE IN EACH ACCOUNT IN THE BANK.
AND THEN NINE THROUGH ON IS ALL THE CHECKS THAT WERE WRITTEN FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 9 MILLION, $958,000 A LITTLE BIT OVER.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO Y'ALL? OKAY.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I READ THE REPORT AND THAT'S JUST A GREAT REPORT.
I MEAN, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS WELL DONE AND, AND UH, I THINK IT REALLY POINTED OUT THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT GOES ON ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE COUNTY.
THEN COMMISSIONER CAGE, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT FINANCIAL? I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE IT.
IN CASE MOVED TO APPROVE THAT FINANCIAL REPORT ON ITEM 31, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES
[32. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item transfers.]
ITEM 32, RIGHT? WE INCLUDED BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN ONE OF TRANSFERS FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? MOST OF THEM ARE INCREASES BECAUSE WE GOT LIKE INSURANCE REIMBURSEMENTS OR SCRAP METAL THAT WAS SOLD BY THE ROAD AND BRIDGE WERE DOING REPAIRS AND STUFF.
LON ADAM TRANSFERS ARE JUST COVERING NEW FUEL ISSUES WHERE THINGS WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT IT HAD BEEN PROJECTED.
IS IT MY TURN? KAREN? IS IT MY TURN? YES, SIR.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE A LOT ON THE TRANSFERS THAT'S PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE UP.
WE HAVE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.
[33. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment.]
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I'M 33.ADAM 13, YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AND GLAD YOU'RE SITTING DOWN YOUR BILLS ARE 5 MILLION, $808,000, FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE FORTY SIX.
YOUR PAYROLL IS 1,000,400 AND 8,000 295 94 MAKING A TOTAL OF 7 MILLION, $216,831 AND 40 CENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE YOU SCARED? LOOKS LIKE THAT.
UH, REALLY, IF YOU, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW 2.6 MILLION OF THAT WAS PAYMENTS FOR THE FACILITIES OUT OF A FACILITIES BOND.
AND THEN, UM, A MILLION, 2 55 WAS, UM, RATHER THAN JUST WENT CRAZY.
SHE HAD TO SPEND MONEY LAST WEEK, BUT, UH, THAT WAS FOR THE ROAD BOND.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ALMOST 600,000 FOR INSURANCE.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITORS OR A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT IS PRESENTED, THEN I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SACRAMENT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
I WILL NEED YOU BACK WHEN WE START DOING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE HOK THING OR YOU CAN STAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON, I'LL TEXT YOU WHEN WE'RE READY.
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IS FINE.
[30. HOK/Raylan Smith; Workshop: Discuss Kaufman County Showbam facility operations and programming.]
ITEM 30, UH, WORKSHOP, DISCUSS COUNTY SHOW BARN, FACILITY OPERATIONS, AND PROGRAMMING.THEY HAVE BEEN MEETING SOME WITH COMMISSIONER HUNT.
UM, AND SO Y'ALL HAD ASKED THAT WE COME TOGETHER WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN.
HOK HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A BUDGET BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE DESIGNED HERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY MOVING FORWARD.
SO I WAS GOING TO HAVE HOK PRESENT ALL OF THEIR NOTES AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO REILAND HOK FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE IT, UH, WE GOT ALL THE PLAYERS THAT PERCEIVED PLAYERS FOR OUT THERE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO START THE DISCUSSION AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH THE AR FUNDS, IF THEY PAN OUT LOCK WE'D SITE TO MAKE A CHANGE OR A DIFFERENCE WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF COUNCILMAN PLUS TO PUT HEADS IN BEDS AND CREATE SALES TAX.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST GOT ALL THE PARTIES TOGETHER FOR THEM TO JUST GIVE INPUT.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS ALL, THIS IS, IS DISCUSSION.
THERE ARE NO PROMISES ANYWHERE, AND THAT WE'VE COME TO THE, TO THE COURT AND WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE AS A COURT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE INFORMATION, THERE'S GOOD HALFWAY VALID INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF CURRENT AND THEM HAVE HELPED US WITH THE PLIERS TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A WISHLIST TYPE DEAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE TO START UNDER DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHEREVER IT LEADS US, BUT I THINK THIS IS GOING A GOOD START TO START IT.
UM, SO HILLARY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND, UH, PULLING TOGETHER INFORMATION AFTER TALKING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK OUT AT THE SHOW BARN SITE, UH, THE AGRILIFE, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE SPACES, THE PUBLIC SPACE YOU HAVE OUT THERE AT THAT PROPERTY CURRENTLY.
UH, WE ALSO DROVE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THE POOR FARM SITE AND, AND LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CAN KIND OF JOIN THOSE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY TOGETHER AND MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A BETTER, UH, OVERALL, UH, AREA FOR THE COUNTY AS ONE OPTION, AS HE SAID, THESE, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY, UH, JUST ASKING US TO PULL TOGETHER THIS INFORMATION AND HOW COULD THINGS FIT OUT THERE.
SO IT'S VERY, UH, IT'S A STARTING POINT, REALLY.
AND, UM, SO WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE.
SO, SO THIS IS A, AN IMAGE THAT, UH, BEGINS TO HERE WE ARE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE SHOW BARN PROPERTY HERE WITH THE BIG WHITE, UH, BUILDING THERE.
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WHAT WE LOOKED AT IS AFTER TALKING WITH, UH, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK OUT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE INADEQUACIES OF YOUR CURRENT SHOW BARN? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE, IF WE WERE TO REBEL, REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO BE TO PUT INTO A NEW SHOW BARN STRUCTURE? SO, UH, THIS INCLUDES, UH, A NEW ARENA.UH, IT INCLUDES, UM, LARGE PENS FOR HORSES, CATTLE, AND IT INCLUDES A SHORT, UH, SMALLER PENS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL ANIMALS AND SO FORTH.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A NEW SHOW BARN.
IT WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PUBLIC RESTROOMS, UH, SOME VENDOR SPACE, UH, AND A NICE SIZE ARENA WITH SOME PUBLIC SEATING, MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS VERY SHORT.
AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP IT COOL.
YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT FANS IN THERE, UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN ALL THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A NEW BUILDING, UH, TALLER AND, AND HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, LARGER EVENTS AND MORE PEOPLE IN IT.
UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ALSO, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THESE KIND OF ANGLED PARKING SPACES.
SO, YOU KNOW, PICKUP TRUCKS, TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ANIMALS TO THE, TO THE SITE, THERE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED SPACES THERE FOR THEM.
UH, AND THIS IS AGAIN, KIND OF SHOWING HOW IT WOULD FIT.
UM, WE WERE TRYING TO STAY OFF OF THE, REALLY THE SOUTH EDGE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF TREES.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF KEEPING A BIT OF A BUFFER BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA AND THE STUFF THAT'S OFF, THAT'S GOING TO BE OFFSITE, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROJECTED FOR FOUR SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK YOU ALL KNOW IS, UM, UH, UM, SPORTS FACILITY, UH, SOME OFFICE, SOME RETAIL, AND SOME, SOME CONDOMINIUMS KIND OF S KIND OF CIRCLING THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
SO KEEPING A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER THERE, YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF LARGE TREES THERE, ALSO THE, UM, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, SHOOTING RANGE, UH, WHICH IS THERE, UH, WOULD BE RELOCATED, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE.
AND, UM, THEN UP TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE ROAD HERE, UH, UP TOWARDS THE, THE MAIN ROAD ON THE KIND OF NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, HAVING A NEW, UH, NEW BUILDING THAT HAS OFFICE SPACE IN IT, HOUSES AGRILIFE, UM, DEMONSTRATION KITCHENS, UH, LIKE SPACE, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO USE, UH, ADEQUATE PARTS WORKING AROUND IT.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MORE PARKING FOR WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE PROPERTY OR, UH, FOR ACTIVITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, SO THERE'S A SMALLER NEW BUILDING THERE.
THAT BUILDING WAS ABOUT 6,500 SQUARE FEET, UH, HILARY, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, A DETAILED SPACE PROGRAM FOR THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE THERE AND WORKING OUT OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME RV PARKING AS AN OPTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SPACE AND WE TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THIS FOR PEOPLE TO HOOK UP THEIR RVS AND STAY A COUPLE OF NIGHTS, THAT WOULD BE SPACE THAT COULD BE LOCATED OVER HERE AS ONE OPTION.
AND AT ONE POINT WE HAD IT UP HERE CLOSER TO THE MAIN ROADWAY, UH, AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A FIT-OUT TO KIND OF SEE HOW THINGS CAN, CAN FIT ON THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY.
UM, THE MAIN, UH, THIS LINE RIGHT HERE KIND OF SHOWS THE CURRENT DELINEATION, UH, BETWEEN THE SHOW BARN PROPERTY ON THE LEFT AND THE POOR FARM PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF UTILIZING MORE OF THE POOR FARM PROPERTY, UH, WHERE WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ADD PARKING TO THE SITE, TO MOVE THESE BUILDINGS OVER A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND SO TAKING SOME OF THE MEADOWS SPACE A LITTLE BIT THERE ON THE WEST EDGE OF THE POOR FARM PROPERTY, UM, UP HERE, UH, NEXT TO THE MAIN ROAD, ALSO, WE HAVE A NEW MAINTENANCE BARN, UH, THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICE, SOME SHOP AREA, AND THEN SOME COVERED STORAGE SPACE, UH, CONTIGUOUS WITH THE BUILDING, AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING UP THERE.
ALSO SOME PARKING UP THERE THAT WOULD HELP, UH, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARKING, UH, IT, SHOULD THEY BE GOING TO THE, UH, THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR THE, THE MASTER GARDENER PROGRAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT GO ON UP HERE, UH, IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POOR, POOR FARM SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY UP HERE ON THE NORTH OF THE PROPOR FARM PROPERTY, UH, IS THE PRECINCT ONE, THE EXISTING PRECINCT ONE STRUCTURES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE ARE SOLD OFF, UM,
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AND, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE PROPERTY FROM THE POOR FARM AND SHOW, SHOW BARN PIECE OF PROPERTY.UH, YOU KNOW, THE POOR FARM HAS THIS LARGE LAKE ON IT.
UM, THAT'S MORE TOWARDS THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, AGAIN, A JEW ADJACENT TO THE SPORTS PLEX THAT'S, THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE ON THAT SITE.
UM, WE HAVE A SMALL PARKING AREA WHERE AGAIN, PUBLIC COULD COME AND PARK AND THEN THEY COULD USE, UH, USE THE LAKE.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING SOME CONCEPTUAL, UH, WALKING TRAILS THROUGH THE SITE.
SO AS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO COME PARK AND GO FOR A WALK OR JUST USE THIS AS A PARK, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT MORE READILY AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S ALSO SOME POTENTIAL FOR PUTTING, YOU KNOW, WALKING PATHS UP AROUND THE, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL UP HERE, UH, WHICH SITS RIGHT THERE, UH, ON THE KIND OF THE NORTH END OF THE POOR FARM PROPERTY AS WELL.
THAT'S ACCESSED FROM, FROM THE STREET, UH, OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, UH, THROUGH THIS DRIVE.
SO PEOPLE COULD PARK HERE AND THEN IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET IN, LOOK AT THE MEMORIAL AND THEN WALK AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN PIECES OF THIS.
UM, AS WE KIND OF LOOK FURTHER INTO IT, THIS IS, UH, HILARY, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WE? SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY, UH, SAT DOWN AND HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND REALLY LISTENED TO, UH, THE OVERALL NEED AND DESIRE OF THE SPACE AND, AND, UM, THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE, MAKE UP THE SPACE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE CALL THE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, AND, UH, WE TOOK THE PROGRAM AS GIVEN TO US.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT FOR THE ACTUAL SHOW BARN ITSELF.
SO OUR CONCEPT ACTUALLY IS EXACTLY AS WAS GIVEN TO US, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PANEL THAT WE MET WITH WAS, UM, REALLY NICE AND GAVE US, UH, A PROGRAM, UH, DESIRED PROGRAM THAT THEY REALLY WANTED COMPLETE WITH SPACE, AND THEY DREW IT OUT AND REALLY SHOWED US WHAT, WHAT THE LAYOUT SHOULD BE.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN IS THE OVERALL SIZE, UH, OF WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO FIT ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS IN.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, SHOWN ON OUR PROGRAM AND THEN WE'VE, UH, INTEGRATED AS WELL.
THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN ABOUT THE AGRILIFE AND THE EXTENSION OFFICE WITH THE KITCHEN AREA, UM, THE OPEN GATHERING SPACE, UH, THE NEED FOR PARKING.
UM, SO WE'VE PUT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE SHOW BARN SITE, AND EVERYTHING IS, UM, COHESIVE AND, AND, UH, ONE BASED ON SINGLE PARCEL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY SPANNING THE LINE OF TWO PARCELS, THERE'S THE SHOW BARN AREA.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE POOR FARM AREA, BUT AS WE HAVE IT ARRANGED THAT WE SHOWED YOU, WE'VE GOT IT SPANNING BOTH, BUT IT'S EASIER TO UNDERSTAND FROM TWO SEPARATE PARCELS.
SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE OVERALL PROGRAM.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY ROBUST.
THIS GIVES US, UM, OUR REALLY LARGE ARENA.
UM, IT GIVES US A NICE HEALTHY SPACE FOR THE AGRILIFE EXTENSION OFFICE, WHICH IS LARGER THAN A, IS THERE NOW, WHAT SHOULD ACTUALLY HELP ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, KINDS OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING TO HAVE OUT THERE, UM, AND HOST A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT EVENTS FOR THE COUNTY, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY NICE.
UM, SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT, UM, SOME OF THE OUTSIDE OF CONSIDERATION PARKING FOR THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS, UH, INCLUDED HERE.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE OVER TO THE POOR FARM SITE, WE HAVE, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE BARN THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE AND OUR OPEN AREA.
WE HAVE A BREAK AREA, UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE SUPPLY STORAGE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE BASIC COMPONENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.
UM, WE'VE GOT OUR OUTSIDE OF A NEED FOR THE PARKING.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE POOR FARM PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOME PUBLIC RESTROOMS, SOME GENERAL PARKING, UM, SOME LAKESIDE PARKING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY ROBUST PROGRAM THAT SHOULD REALLY COVER BOTH SITES REALLY WELL, MAKE EVERYTHING REALLY COHESIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE WERE TALKING TO COMMISSIONER HEIN AND THE DESIRE REALLY IS TO, UH, SORT OF BRING SOME LIFE BACK INTO THAT, THAT AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENTS OBVIOUSLY GOING IN THROUGH THERE.
IT NOT ONLY IT WILL ENRICH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING AROUND THAT AREA, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE WALKING TRAILS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME RENOVATION AND SOME REVITALIZATION OF THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT POOR FARM, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE CAMMIE, BECAUSE IT'S GOT SOME GREAT HISTORIC VALUE.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS IT REALLY ADDS SOME VALUE TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THAT SOUTH CAMPUS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IN TERMS OF, OF, OF DIVESTMENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING
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IN THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC USE, UH, LIKE A WALKING TRAIL AROUND THAT AREA.SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY A DOG PARK, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DOGS ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE WALKING THEM AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR KIDS OUT AT THE LAKE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THIS REALLY IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR NOT ONLY A SIMPLE REVENUE GENERATION FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, TAXES, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF ENRICHING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LIVES OF SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA.
SO WE HAVE A, A LARGER PDF IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ZOOM IN AND ZOOM AROUND THAT PLAN AT ALL, TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANYTHING AT A MUCH CLOSER VIEW.
UH, CAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GIVEN YOU SORT OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
IF NOT, WE, YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
COULD YOU SHOW THAT GRAPHIC? SO ARE YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE CURRENT SITE? I CAN SHOW YOU THAT FIRST, SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE DELINEATION HERE, UH, FOR EACH PARCEL.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PARCEL NOW FOR WHERE THIS SHOW BARN IS, AND THIS IS THE EXISTING SHOW BARN AND HERE'S THE EXISTING POOR FARM SITE.
UM, AND OVER HERE, UH, ON THE RIGHT IS THE LIBRARY, THERE'S THE SOUTH CAMPUS UP HERE AND THEN THIS IS THE CHILDREN'S CENTER DOWN HERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, IS IT THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE SCHOOL? RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE.
AND WHEN WE GO TO THE CONCEPT, NOW YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SO WE CAN ZOOM IN HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE, SO WE'VE GOT YOUR SHOW BARN AND YOUR TRAILER PARKING, YOUR RV PARKING, WE'VE GOT THREE ENTRANCES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR FEELING IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER FOR PEOPLE DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, EITHER WHAT VEHICLE THEY'RE DRIVING, UH, OR THE FUNCTION THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO GO TO AND TO VISIT, TO USE A VARIETY OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, PULL, PULL INS FROM THE MAIN ROAD.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE VEHICLES AT ONE END, YOU CAN HAVE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AT THE OTHER END, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING SORT OF IN THE CENTER, UH, ALSO EASILY ACCESSIBLE, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR THOUGHT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS HAVE TWO CAR ENTRANCES AND MAYBE ONE FOR, UH, TRUCKS AND TRAILERS WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE IT KEEPS TRUCKS AND TRAILERS FROM THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH FARE AS THEY'RE COMING IN THROUGH THE, THE, UH, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE.
SO KIND OF PUTTING THE SHOW BARN UP ON THE HIGHER END, THE MORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU LOOKED AT VISUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE MORE FLAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WORKS BETTER HAVING THAT LONG OF A BUILDING IN THAT PART OF THE, OF THE SITE.
SO LOCATION-WISE, THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT.
ALSO, IT'S VERY EASY TO SEE AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO KNOW, OKAY, YEAH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SHOW BARN.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE MY FOUR H SHOW IS AT OR WHATEVER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO HAVING THE OFFICE AGRILIFE BUILDING KIND OF AT THE HIGH END OF THE PROPERTY UP CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND HAVING PARKING AROUND IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT BUILDING THAT WILL BE USED MORE OFTEN THAN THE SHOW BARN.
SO HAVING IT MORE VISIBLY, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE SITE, UH, AS YOU'RE COMING FROM, FROM TOWN.
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THAT.
UH, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE SOME OF THE VENDOR PARKING AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, AS THERE ARE ACTIVITIES OUT THERE, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SET UP TENTS OR, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS, UM, UH, SELL THEIR WARES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT'S, WHAT'S WHAT ALL THAT SPACE IS FOR.
UH, PROBABLY THE TRAILER AND RV PARKING COULD BE ON MORE OF A GRAVEL BASE THAN, YOU KNOW, A BLACKTOP OR CONCRETE, UH, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE, YOU KNOW, INDIGENOUS TO THE PROPERTY JUST TO HAVE THAT MORE AS A GRAVEL AREA DOWN THERE, IT WOULD HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT CREATING SO MUCH NEW DRAINAGE OFF THE PROPERTY.
SO FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT LINE WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM THE SHOW BARN SITE OVER TO THE POOR FARM SITE, YOU KNOW, AND EXTENDING OVER AND UTILIZING SOME OF THAT.
YOU COULD POTENTIALLY UTILIZE MORE OF THE POOR FARM SITE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT IT TO SLIDE EVERYTHING OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS, BUT I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS IT SHOWS YOU, UH, THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, OF, OF, OF ACTIVITY OUT THERE.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, LET'S SEE, WE SHOWED A THREE, THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY ONE PUBLIC SPACES OF PARKING.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD A HUNDRED TRAILER PARKING AREAS AND I THINK 10, 10 SPACES FOR RV PARKING.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF PARKING SHOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF WE PAN OVER, UM, WE HAVE SOME PARKING, SOME SEPARATE PARKING AREAS ABOUT 60 SPACES, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR THE POOR FARM USE, SUCH AS GOING TO VISIT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES,
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MASTER GARDENING PROGRAMS, UH, WALKING THE PARK, AND THEN ALSO THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS OVER THERE.SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AN OFFICE IN THERE AND THE SHOP AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON HERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITES LEND ITSELF, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, EITHER, YOU KNOW, ON HOUSTON STREET OR WHAT'S THE WASHINGTON STREET AND THERE'S GOOD ACCESS TO IT, UM, ON BOTH SIDES.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD LOCATION.
AND WITH THE, THE PUBLIC PARKING, UH, SORT OF BUTTED UP AGAINST WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, SOME OF THE WALKING TRAILS ARE WITH THE EASY ACCESS, YOU KNOW, YOU IT'S REALLY, IT'S ASKING PEOPLE TO ENJOY BOTH SITES, RIGHT? SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE AREA INSTEAD OF SEEING IT AS SINGULAR ENTITIES THEMSELVES.
AND, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE WORK TO DO IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC PARKING, YOU KNOW, KURT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE SPACES OUT THERE, LOTS OF, UH, PAVED AREA.
THIS ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE CARNIVAL, UM, YOU KNOW, A FLATTER SURFACE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT MORE STURDY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON OUT THERE WHERE YOU STILL WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT PRETTY EASILY FROM THE ROAD, IF YOU ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME IN.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, AND YOU'VE GOT THE TRAIL, SO YOU CAN GET THE KIDS OUT THERE AND GET THEM ON THE TRAIL.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THIS, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO MAKE A GREAT PUBLIC SPACE, UM, AND, UH, REALLY GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN, IN DAILY OR WEEKLY OR MONTHLY ACTIVITIES OUT HERE IN THIS AREA.
UM, ONE THING I SEE THAT I THOUGHT WAS STRANGE IS WHO MADE THE TRUCK AND TRAILER RANGER? I DON'T KNOW WHY HE PUT SO MANY SHARP TURNS IN WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOT TURN THE TRUCK DRIVER.
WELL, I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT NEXT TO THEM.
AND MAYBE, UH, EITHER MOVE THAT WAY DOWN TO THE END OR JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT OR ANGLING OFF, THAT'S MORE ROUNDED.
YOU PUT ROUNDED UP HERE IN THE, IN THE CAR PARKING LOT, BUT YOU DIDN'T, I KNOW ALL THE GUYS SITTING BACK HERE IN THE BACK, NO ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ALWAYS WANT TO PICK ON THE TRUCK DRIVERS THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN GO INTO SMALLEST PLACES AND THE SHARPEST TERMS. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU GO PULL INTO THIS, FOR THOSE THAT MAKE IT EASY ON HIM, OR CAN WE HAVE OUR SURVEYS BACK? ARE THESE THE ESTABLISHED PARCEL LINES, THESE DOTTED LINES THEY ARE.
SO, SO PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT EXTENDS BEYOND THE COUNTIES PARCEL, IS THAT CORRECT? THE WAY IT'S POSITIONED NOW, OR WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT PARCEL CURRENTLY IS MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH, UM, IT IS OWNED BY THE NEW DEVELOPER AND THERE IS CONVERSATION THAT IT IS AVAILABLE.
THE MOWED AREA IS AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT'S A VERY SMALL LITTLE BARN THAT WE WERE TOLD.
IT'S THE HONORARY BARN AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, POSITION THAT REALLY ANYWHERE WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN SLIDE THINGS DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF, OF THE, UH, KNOWN PARCEL AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WAS AN OPTION FOR, UM, FOR THE COUNTY, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE THAT LITTLE SMALL SLIVER, BECAUSE IT IS MAINTAINED CURRENTLY BY THE COUNTY, IT LOOKS LIKE HE COULD SLIDE THE WHOLE THING UP FAR ENOUGH TO WORK.
ANYWAY, I THINK WE COULD, THE ONE THING THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A RAVINE THAT COMES ACROSS, UH, WASHINGTON, UH, ABOUT, UM, A LITTLE TO THE LEFT OF THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND IT KIND OF TURNS AND GOES DOWN TOWARDS THE POND, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, SO YEAH, BUT YOU EASILY COULD MOVE THINGS OVER, RIGHT.
CAUSE IT WAS JUST PARKING LOT.
YOU CAN PUT THE PARKING LOT OVER THE TOP OF IT.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROAD TO COVER HERE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT FROM CONCEPTUALLY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST BE CLEANER TO HAVE IT ALL WITHIN THE COUNTIES.
DO YOU KNOW, OWNED PROPERTY? WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
UH, ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? UH, IS THERE, UH, AND I SAW THE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE GRAPHIC WITH ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MAKE THIS LARGER HERE? OKAY.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS PREVIOUSLY, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS STILL ABOUT THE BUSINESS PLAN.
IF YOU WILL, WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY ENVISIONS THIS, THIS SHOW BARN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ITS ACTUAL FUNCTIONS WOULD BE.
AND SO, UM, I'M PRESUMING IF THERE'S NOT A CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLAN OR ANYTHING DRAWN YET FOR THE INTERIOR, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE ACTUALLY, THE COUNTY PROVIDED, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK
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THERE PROVIDED US A VERY NICE DIAGRAM, THAT KIND OF SHOWS THAT I, I BROUGHT THAT ACTUALLY, UM, IT'S ON THIS THING.I MEAN, I ACTUALLY HAD TO MAKE COPIES OF WHAT, UH, THE SHOW BOARD KIND OF WISHLIST.
BUT I LEFT THEM AT THE OFFICE THIS MORNING, WHENEVER I LEFT.
AND WHILE YOU'RE PULLING IT UP ON YOUR INTENTIONS, MY PURPOSE OR MY, MY, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION I'M HEADED IS, EH, I THINK THE COURT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPER INPUT AND DISCUSSION NEEDS TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF OPERATIONS OF THIS BUILDING? WHAT, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO ACCOMMODATE? YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT BE STRICTLY ANIMAL SHOWS, UH, DOES IT HAVE, WILL IT, WILL IT BE REQUIRED TO, TO BE ABLE TO HOST EVENTS, UH, MUSIC EVENTS OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT ORDER.
AND THEN ALSO SINCE, UH, WE HAVE THE EXISTING WOMEN'S BUILDING, WHICH IS KIND OF A MEETING SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AN INDEPENDENT, IF YOU WILL, OF THE SHOW BARN OPERATIONS, WILL THIS FACILITY THEN HAVE, UH, THE CAPACITY OR WILL IT BE, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE STRUCTURED SO THAT THOSE SORT OF SAME MEETINGS AND FUNCTIONS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THE WOMEN'S BUILDING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE AGRILIFE GAPE ABOUT.
LIKE THE STUFF FOR FOUR H THEIR MEETINGS HAVE A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AREA IN THERE LIKE THEY DO NOW, BUT HAVE IT WHERE THEY COULD DIVIDE IT UP TO HAVE FOUR H COMPETITIONS AND CLASSES, UH, DEMONSTRATION, KITCHEN.
SO, UH, WHAT THE LADY WAS HERE TODAY CAN HAVE HER DEMONSTRATION TO DO HER HEALTHY COOKING STUFF AND HAVE HER CLASSES.
EVERYTHING THAT AGRA LAB PROVIDED WAS BE A MULTI-USE TOP FACILITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE PAID OR SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE FOR THE COUNTY, THEIR SURFACES.
SO LIKE THE CLASS WE'RE HAVING TODAY, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY COULD HOST IT AT THIS BUILDING THAT WOULD BE GEARED FOR, AND WHERE'S, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE LIKE DEMONSTRATION KITCHENS AND THAT IS THAT GOING TO BE CONTESTED? GOOD MORNING.
SO IN THE CENTER YOU HAVE AN ARENA.
THE WOMEN'S PROFESSIONAL BUILDING WOULD BE UTILIZED JUST LIKE THE AGRILIFE OFFICE IS ATTACHED TO IT.
WHAT'S THEIR EXISTING NOW THE SAME STUFF CAN TAKE PLACE.
IT'S A COMBINED FACILITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT ON THAT WEEK.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CONNECT THAT, THAT THE AGRILIFE BUILDING WOULD SORT OF TAKE THE PLACE OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT GO ON INSIDE THE WOMEN'S BUILDINGS NOW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THEY HAVE THE COUNTY SHELTERS STILL HAVE A PLACE FOR THE WOMEN TO DO ALL OF THEIR JAMS AND COOKING STUFF AND ART, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY SHOW, BUT ANY OF THE REST OF THE YEAR FOUR H WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT, OR THE COUNTY COULD USE IT TO HAVE CLASSES.
WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTIES FOR OUR PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER SCALE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY TRIED TO, WE GOT ALL THE PLAYERS THAT YOU UTILIZE THE COUNTY BORN NOW IN THE SAME ROOM AND GET THEIR INPUT TO, TO DO THE SAME THINGS AND JUST MODERNIZE IT BASICALLY.
WELL, I MEAN, I GET THAT, BUT IN THE END, AGAIN, LIKE TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SAY, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT AS A COURT THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND LEARN MORE.
AND THEN THAT LEADS INTO THE DISCUSSIONS.
WHAT ALL DO WE WANT IT TO DO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IT DOES TODAY AND HOW WE WANT TO MANAGE IT, WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE IT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY STUPID TO HAVE THESE POSITIONS THAT WE CARRY, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST TELLING THE IGNORANT.
WE UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO COST THE COUNTY TOP, RIGHT.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A MAKING DEAL.
AND WE GO INTO THAT KNOWING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A REVENUE GENERATING ASSET.
SO HE SAYS THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, WHEN WE WERE DOWN THERE, WACO ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY ON THERE.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO HAVE A CONFERENCE IN DIRT.
I'M JUST SAYING, EVEN WHEN YOU, EVEN WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DETERMINING, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, PART OF THAT NEEDS TO BE PREDICATED ON WHAT DO WE WANT THIS BUILDING TO DO AND WHAT WOULD WE WANT IT TO BE A RODEO ARENA? DO WE WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SIZE OF, UH, OF A PUBLIC EVENT, WHETHER THAT BE A MUSIC EVENT OR WHATEVER.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THOSE BARE ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHAT THE BUSINESS PLAN OF THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE.
ALTHOUGH I THINK THE ONLY THING OVER AND ABOVE REALLY THAT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IS THE FOUR H EQUESTRIAN EVENTS AND THE PRIVATE WORLD, THE EQUESTRIAN EVENTS THAT THE ARENA IS BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD EQUESTRIAN EVENTS.
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AND THIS SUPPOSEDLY, I GUESS NOW IS A, IS A BIG DEAL.THE EQUESTRIAN EVENTS WITH YOUNGSTERS AND ADULTS THERE, THE RODEO DEAL.
I ALREADY DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE RODEO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, BUT AS FAR AS PROVIDING STUFF FOR THE YOUTH AND FOR SMALLER EVENTS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE HANDLED EASILY BY THE PEOPLE THAT SPONSOR THEM.
THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOREIGN, BUT NO, AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING.
WE WOULD GET IN THE RODEO BUSINESS.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING WE GETTING ANY BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK EVEN IN OUR PRIOR DISCUSSIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, HAVING SOME KIND OF A CONTRACT OPERATOR OR SOMETHING WHEN WE, WHEN WE EVEN TOUCHED ON THAT PREVIOUSLY.
BUT I, I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE OUGHT TO SETTLE ON.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? YOU KNOW, THE, ALL OF THE INTENDED PURPOSES, NOT JUST TO IMPROVE, PERHAPS ALL WE WANT TO DO IS JUST IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IS THERE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNCTION THAT, THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT NEED USING OUR FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION GOING FORWARD? THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, BUT IS THERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THIS BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURE WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING WHAT'S ITS FUTURE UTILIZATION GOING TO BE, AND THAT ABSOLUTELY INFORMS OUR ARCHITECTURAL PROGRAM.
UM, AND THEN OUR CONCEPT AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR CONCEPT IS WE WE'RE FLEXIBLE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE AND SHAPE THINGS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE COURT.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU NEED SOME MORE TIME, UH, WELL THIS IS THE STRIKER.
THIS IS TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.
AND THEN IF WE CAN GET ENOUGH SUPPORT ON THE BOARD OR THE COURT TO HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT AND TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN IF WE GOT REILAND, THEY CAN MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE GOT, IT MADE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE IS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE KNOW THAT WITH THIS BEING THE STARTING POINT, WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO DO.
SO IF WE HAVE A BUDGET NUMBER, UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY PROPOSED TODAY, I THINK YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT THE STARTING POINT IS COUNTY WIDE SHOWS.
WE'RE NOT, THIS ISN'T A FACILITY WHERE WE COULD DO THE STATE SHOWS.
UM, I COULD HAVE THEM THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE STATE SHOWS I SAY WITH THIS POLITICKING AGAIN, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION ABOUT, WOULD THIS FACILITY, THE WHITE WOULD MORPHINE TOO.
IF WE MOVE FORWARD, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD A STATEWIDE SHOWS OR REGIONAL SHOWS REGIONAL REGIONALS.
SO THAT WOULD BE ADDING HOW MANY SHOWS PER YEAR POSSIBLY WE CAN HOST.
AND THEN THE EQUESTRIAN, OF COURSE, I GUESS, UM, CARRIE'S NOT HERE TO ADDRESS THE EQUESTRIAN EVENTS, BUT LISTEN TO HER TALK AND THE SEQUESTER AND STUFF IS JUST GONE WILD OUT THERE.
SO, I MEAN, I CAN SAY RESELL SPECIAL EVENTS, THE NUMBER OF STALLS PUT IN THIS FACILITY TOOK INTO EFFECT A LARGER SHOWS ALSO.
WHEN ISN'T THE NEXT STEP TO RUN THIS BY TITLE AND WE HAVE TO GET SOME OR NOT, WELL, I MEAN, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUALLY WITH THE CONSULTANT.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAD A QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, SIZE WHAT EXACTLY YOU WANTED TO PUT IN THE FACILITY.
AND SO WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THE GOAL WAS AND THE NUMBER OF SHOWS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR WHENEVER WE GET A BUDGET NUMBER THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU SAW FOR THE PROPERTY, OR IF THERE WERE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT.
WELL, SO I, I, I DO HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, UH, SINCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST PRETTY FREE, FREE FLOWING, OPEN DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, HAVE WE SETTLED ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE LOCATION WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN? THAT'S NOT A QUESTION WE HAVE TO ANSWER, RIGHT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT CERTAINLY BEARS ON, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU OF A LOT, THE, I THINK THE DESIGN CONCEPT AND ALL THAT STUFF WOULD BE THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S SETTING 50 ACRES NORTH OF TERRELL OR WHERE IT'S SITTING NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S, THE CONCEPT WOULD BASICALLY STAY THE SAME.
THE REAL QUESTION I THINK, WOULD COME DOWN TO THE DESIRE FOR THE COUNTY TO MAINTAIN THE POOR FARM AS ITS OWN PARCEL, AND THEN TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING
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ELSE WITH THE ADJACENT PARCEL THAT YOU ALL OWN.UM, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A REAL ESTATE DIVESTMENT STRATEGY AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, NOT BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT, UM, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S FORCED, THE BUILDINGS WOULD MORPH TOO MUCH.
IT'S JUST, BUT THAT'D BE US TO DECIDE, RIGHT.
WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE COUNTY SEAT.
GOSH, THE ONLY WAY THAT BUILDINGS WOULD CHANGE IS IF, IF THAT THE FUNCTION WHICH WOULD TO CHANGE RIGHT.
OR IT MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE SLIGHTLY BASED ON TERRAIN OR SOMETHING.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE OPTED FOR ANOTHER SITE, RIGHT.
WELL, AND I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS TILL YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR.
THAT'S ALWAYS YOUR FIRST PART.
IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD CONCEPT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO USE IT IN FOR SOMETHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A VERY GOOD CONCEPT AND LESBIAN, YOU START FIGURING OUT ALL THESE PENS AND DIFFERENT THINGS CAN CHANGE FLOORS AND THE BEANS CAN BE MOVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEASE IT OUT FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO REALLY, UM, WE NEED TO KNOW FUNCTION WISE.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE WANTING TO LOOK AT IT, DIFFERENT USE OF THE FACILITY.
ARE WE GOOD WITH IT JUST BEING SHOW BARN FACILITY AS IT'S PRESENTED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH OR ARE YOU WANTING A MORE ADVANCED, WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS HOW MANY DAYS DO WE USE IT? NOW? WE ALL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
WE COULD USE IT EVERY WEEKEND, BUT ADVANCED AS FAR AS THAT, AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE UP THE WHOLE THING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG, IT'S A BIG THING.
AND YOU'RE SAYING EVERY WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE KIDS OR THE PARENTS REPORT, RIGHT.
HAVE ALL OF THAT IS CONCRETE, WANTING TO PULL THE PANS OUT AND HAVE SOME OTHER SORT OF EVENTS.
SO WE CAN PULL THEM OUT, STACK THEM UP AND HAVE THAT BIG OPEN CONCEPT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD EVEN INCREASE BOARD USAGE AS I HAD IN THE HORSE EVENTS.
WE'RE GONNA BE FIGHTING OVER, WHO'S GOING TO USE IT FOR WHAT WEEKEND OR WHAT IF YOU WANT TO ADD HORSE EVENTS.
SO, BUT RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY DAYS DO YOU USE THE CURRENT ONE? NOT NERVOUS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS THIS ISN'T KILLING THE PROJECT.
UM, UM, I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS HOW MANY DAYS YOU ACTUALLY REALLY USE IT NOW, SO THAT WE'D KNOW.
WE'RE JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I, I THINK I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MOST OF THEM.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T HAVE A NUMBER IN MY HEAD.
I ONLY TOLD HER 200, FIVE WEEKEND EVENTS.
WELL, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY TO INCREASE THAT USAGE IF WE COULD USE IT VIRTUALLY EVERY WEEKEND.
I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, I MEAN A PRETTY MUCH A FULL-TIME OPERATION, YOU KNOW, UH, MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT AND SCHEDULING.
I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF THAT CHANGES THE COMPLEXION OF, UH, UH, OF A PART-TIME FACILITY, RIGHT? OH, THERE'S NO DOUBT.
I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO HURT Y'ALL'S FEELINGS, BUT WE MOVE FORWARD AS THIS.
AND I THINK THE SHOW BOARD NEEDS TO BE A PLAYER IN OPERATIONS, BUT NOT THE PERSON'S CASTLE.
I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME FOR REALLY A FULL-TIME POSITION AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OKAY.
I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RIPPLE IN IMPLICATIONS HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MAGNIFICENT IS MAGNIFICENT OF FACILITY AS WE MIGHT BUILD, REGARDLESS OF WHERE ONE'S UP THEN THAT, THAT PORTENDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL OPERATE IT PARTICULARLY TO MAXIMIZE ITS UTILIZATION.
SO THAT'S STAFFING AND, AND AN OPERA AGRILIFE IS A BIG, A BIG HELP TO Y'ALL AS FAR AS SCHEDULING STUFF OUT THERE AND LEASING.
SO THEY WOULD STILL, IN MY MIND, THIS IS JUST IN MY MIND, THEY WOULD STILL BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A FULL-TIME PERSON THERE, YOU KNOW, TO BE THERE, TO TAKE CARE OF THE ODDS AND ENDS DURING THE DAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE IT'LL IMPACT COUNTY MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THAT.
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THAT'S TO TAKE CARE OF A MAN OR WOMAN OR WHATEVER, BUT YEAH.SO I THINK IT'S MORE THAN ONE, MAN.
WELL, LET ME JUST, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT, LIKE, IF Y'ALL ARE HAVING AN EVENT, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS SAMPLING THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M SAYING JUST, JUST THE OFFICE ALONE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ANSWER THE PHONE AND MANAGE.
SO I THINK THE ADMINISTRATOR HAS A COMMENT.
I THINK I WOULD CREATE A DEPARTMENT.
I THINK YOU NEED TO CREATE A DEPARTMENT AND DEPARTMENT IMMINENT OF SILENT DEPARTMENT HEAD AND GIVE THEM A BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE UTILITIES GROUNDS.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF STUFF THAT IT'S GOING TO NEED, UH, IN A YEARS BASIS.
SO I WOULD JUST CREATE A DEPARTMENT.
ANGLER, YOU FORGET THAT A AND M PAYS AGRILIFE.
THEY PAY PART OF IT, THEY SET THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO WHEN THEY HELP THEM IT'S FOR EVENT PURPOSES AND CHILDREN'S GAMBLING, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO PLAN THE BUILDING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D BE CAPABLE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S STILL IN THE ACCOUNTING BILLING.
SO THE COUNTY WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE SHOW BOARD, ANGLE, LIFE, WHOEVER THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EVER, WHOEVER WANTS TO USE THE BILLING WOULD HAVE TO SCHEDULE WITH THOSE PETE.
NOW, ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT I LOOKED AT THAT HAD THE LARGER PERCENT THEY HAD A DEPARTMENT, OR THEY HAVE A DEPARTMENT SCHEDULING AND TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THEN DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES SO THAT THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
I MEAN, OUR BUILDING WOULD GROW, THE AGRILIFE BUILDING WOULD GROW SO WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
I'LL PUT IT UNDER THE BLEACHERS.
HUH? THAT'S WHERE SEATING GOES ON.
ACCORDING TO THE DRAWING UNDER THE SEAT, UNDER THE BLEACHERS AND IT WAS LINKED TO, THERE YOU GO.
AND WE WILL WORK ON AN OPERATIONAL BUDGET.
WITH THE WEEKLY, JUST BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, REGARDLESS OF WHAT LAND YOU PLACED IT ON THE CONCEPT ITSELF, THE SIZE OF THE BARNS, THE NUMBER OF STALLS, ET CETERA, REMAINS THE SAME.
SO WE WILL WORK ON A MORE PERMANENT BUDGET, PUT TOGETHER THE OPERATIONS SIDE AND THEN BRING THEM BACK JUST LIKE WE WILL ALL THE OTHER KIND OF GRANT.
SO I GUESS IN, IN, IN THE PROCESS OF DISCUSSION AND STUFF WITH THE FOLKS, I MEAN, I MEAN WITH THE SITE OF THAT, THAT THE WINDOWS PROFESSIONAL BUILD RAG OR LIFE BUILDING, YOU JUST CALL IT NOW, OR EVEN THE ARENA.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE A VACCINE SIDE IN THE FUTURE.
THE SHOW BORN NOW HAS ALREADY FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATION FOR ANIMALS, FROM HURRICANES AND STUFF THAT THEY MOVE UP HERE.
AND THERE'S PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS FOR SMALL ANIMALS ALREADY NOW.
AND THEY'RE JUST UPDATING THE PLAN THAT WE ALREADY USED IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE HANDOUT FOOD, YOU KNOW, FOOD DISTRIBUTING, BACKPACK DISTRIBUTING.
SO A LOT STUFF THAT WE CAN YUP.
MULTIPURPOSE THINKING TO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THOSE BUILDINGS.
GOOD TO SEE YOU MAKE SURE IT FITS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE NAMED.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE NEGOTIATIONS AND ARGUMENTS THAT IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO FIND AN ALTERNATE PROPERTY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL WANT TO SAY, JONAH? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS, I MEAN, PARCEL, I'M TALKING ABOUT NO PROPERTY.
WELL I'M FINE WITH THAT PROPERTY.
UM, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION OUT OF THE WAY.
[34. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter an executive session.]
SO ITEM 34 DISCUSSING CONSIDER EXITING REGULAR MEETING AND GOING TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO? SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER CASE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I THINK THE SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[35. Executive Session: Pursuant to section 551.071 of the Texas Government Code, the commissioners court will meet in closed session to consult with attorney regarding pending or contemplated litigation including but not limited to the following cases: 1. Judith Mitchell v. Kaufman County, Cause No. 105110-422 2. WBW Holdings, LLC v. Donald L Clamon and Larry D. Clamon, Cause No. 104449-CC2 3. Amber Strawser, et al v. Kaufman County, Cause No. 108436 86 4. Tyler Decker v. Kaufman County, pending]
CARRIES.WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.07.
ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL BE IN, WE'LL MEET IN CLOSED SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEY REGARDING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING CASES.
JUDITH MITCHELL VERSUS KAUFMAN COUNTY, WB, HO W B W HOLDINGS LLC VERSUS DONALD L CLAIMING AMBER STROUSER AT AL VERSUS KAUFMAN COUNTY, TYLER DECKER VERSUS KAUFMAN COUNTY.
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WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.UM, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE GO IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM? YOU NEED TO BE PART OF THIS FIRST DISCUSSION AND THEN AFTER THAT, NO.
[37. Discuss/Consider exiting executive session and enter back into a regular meeting.]
A MOTION TO GO BACK THE REGULAR SESSION.I'LL MAKE IT THE SECOND RUNNING.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION FOR COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BORROWER, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
SO WE'RE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION.
NO ACTION TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I DON'T HEAR ANY MOTIONS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[39. Budget Workshop: Precinct 2 Constable & District Patrol Contracts]
UM, RAELYNN, W WILL YOU TEXT KAREN MCLEOD AND ASK HER IF SHE CAN COME HERE FOR THIS PART? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ACCOUNTING FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF.SO THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE IN DISTRICT PATROL CONTRACTS.
SO ARE YOU READY? WHO'S PRESENTING OR WHATEVER.
I GOT SOME INFORMATION ON THE CONTRACT AND KIND OF WENT INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW WE CAME TO THESE NUMBERS.
AND THEN ALSO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE DISTRICTS.
UM, KITCHENS IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, THAT DEPARTMENT 5 52.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE PATROL CONTRACTS, WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT IN AND WE CALCULATED THE PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL PER CONTRACT.
ONE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD IS THE SALARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONSTABLE AND KSL, CHIEF, DEPUTY AND NEW LIEUTENANT AND KSI ASSISTANT CHIEF DEPUTY.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THERE ON THE SPREADSHEET.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE PATROL CONTRACTS PAY FOR THAT PORTION.
AND THAT WAY, IF A CONTRACT ROLLS OFF THEIR PORTION OF THAT MONEY ALSO ROLLS WITH IT BECAUSE IT TAKES INTO COUNT THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES FOR EACH PATROL CONTRACT.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING SOME NUMBERS MOVING FORWARD SO THAT YOUR PATROL CONTRACT PERSONNEL UNDERSTAND THAT TO ADD TO DEPUTIES ALSO REQUIRES A CORPORAL, WHICH WOULD ALSO REQUIRE VEHICLES.
UM, THE INDIRECT COST, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $5,000 A YEAR INCREASE PER FIVE DEPUTIES THAT COME ON FOR EACH, WE SET A, UM, AMOUNT PER VEHICLE AND AN AMOUNT PER EMPLOYEE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE LEASE OR THE PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLE, THAT HOW EACH VEHICLE AND HOW EACH EMPLOYEE AFFECTS EVERY LINE ITEM SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CALCULATE AND BE ABLE TO BUDGET ON THEIR SIDE.
IF THEY WERE LOOKING AT ADDING PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT MOVING INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, UM, WINDMILL FARMS IS PROPOSING A PATROL IN THEIR AREA.
A WITNESS WOULD POTENTIALLY DO IS PROVIDE A PATROL STATION OR A CONSTABLE TO, AND ALL OF THE PATROL CONTRACT DEPUTIES WITH THAT.
UM, THEY ARE ASKING THAT EACH PATROL CONTRACT DIVIDE OUT THEIR PORTION.
I HAVE A PATROL FACILITIES CLERK AND A PATROL FACILITY INVESTIGATOR.
SO THAT POSITION WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN THE PATROL CONTRACTS ONLY CURRENTLY, UM, WINDMILL FARMS IS PROPOSING THREE ADDITIONAL STAFF WITHIN THIS NEXT YEAR.
YOU'VE GOT, UH, LIMITS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL, NO, I'M SORRY.
NO ADDITIONAL STAFF JUST TO VEHICLE.
WE'VE GOT DEVIN SHIRE THAT ASKING FOR TWO ADDITIONAL
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DEPUTIES AND TRAVIS RANCH IS ALSO LOOKING AT TWO.SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD TAKE HIS TOTAL CURRENT STAFF FROM 17 TO 28 WITH AN ALL OF THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PATROL CONTRACTS.
HOW, HOW, HOW HAS THIS FALL IN WHENEVER IF WE EVER GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE READ DISTRICT AND DREW LINES, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? SO INITIALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PACKAGED EACH, UH, PATROL CONTRACT SO THAT IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT IT FALLS WITHIN ANOTHER PRECINCT, THAT YOU COULD LITERALLY TAKE IT.
IF THAT CONSTABLE WANTED TO DO THAT, THAT YOU COULD LITERALLY MOVE ONE CONTRACT TO THE NEXT.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE THEM ALL DIVIDED UP TO WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE MANPOWER WILL GO WITH A NEW PRECINCT, RIGHT? THE MANPOWER IS ASSIGNED TO THE CONTRACT.
SO FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR POSITION, THEY FALL UNDER THAT CONTRACT.
SO YEAH, THEY'RE ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDER THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACT.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT, UH, THAT CONSTABLE CAN, CAN, CAN CONTRACT FOR SERVICE IN ANY PRECINCT? YES, SIR.
SO, SO Y'ALL COULD Y'ALL COULD DO CONTROL CONTRACTS AND SO IT'S NOT, OR IT'S NOT, NO, SIR.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE IS WITH CONSTABLE JASON, DANTE SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S ONE THING THAT WOULD CHANGE STATUTE OR THE CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD PREVENT IT UNDER YOU GUYS ARE MAINLY WON'T THAT CONTRACT BECAUSE I'M RAISING, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE HIS CHOICE SAYING THAT THAT GUY HAS TO TAKE THE PRECINCT THREE CONSTABLE.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO GIVE HIM THE OPTION.
NO, BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS WITH THE, WITH JOHNSON.
THE CONTRACTS WITH THE COUNTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
WITH THE COUNTY TOO, WHETHER THEY'RE SAYING CONSEQUENTLY JOHNSON IS THE SUPERVISOR OVER THE CONDUCT.
BUT IF THE PRECINCT THREE CONSTABLE WANTED TO DO THAT, IF THE LINES WERE DRAWN SO THAT ONE OF THESE CONTRACT AREAS WAS IN HIS PRECINCT, UM, IF IT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO CONSTABLE TO, AND THE CUSTOMER, IF THE CONSTABLE TO AND THE CUSTOMER WANTED TO STAY IN CONSTABLE, THEY STARTED TO WANT IT TO STAY IN THAT CONSTABLE DURING THE PATROL, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY IT IS, I GUESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO IT YESTERDAY.
SO THIS STRUCTURE MEANS THAT THAT THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS MOVED WELL BEYOND JUST SUPPLEMENTAL PATROLLING, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR POSITION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, IT'S ONLY MINOR STUFFS OR STUFF THAT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.
UH, THOSE, WE LOOK AT, WE HAVE PERSONNEL THAT LOOK INTO STUFF, BUT IT'S ONLY MINOR, UH, UH, MINOR, ALL FOLLOWUPS, UH, CASE MANAGEMENT OR RESUMES OR PAPERWORK STUFF.
UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OF PERSONNEL TO HAVE FULL-TIME INVESTIGATORS FOR ADVANCED LEVEL STUFF.
UH, YOU COULD THOUGH IF THE MONEY WAS AVAILABLE AND STUFF, BUT YOU'RE TALKING, THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERABLE INCREASE IN BUDGET.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE REVENUE WOULD BE THERE FOR THAT IS, BUT THIS GUY'S TITLE IS INVESTIGATOR.
SO BASIC LEVEL INVESTIGATION IS NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL OF WHAT THE SHERIFF'S PEOPLE DO.
UH, THE SHERIFF HAS SPECIALIZED INVESTIGATORS.
AND THEN RAELYNN, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF YOU HAD X NUMBER OF DEPUTIES, THEN THAT REQUIRES A CORPORAL WHO MADE THAT DETERMINATION THAT A CORPORAL IS REQUIRED JUST BASED ON THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND THE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BEFORE.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS SOME BACKWARDS MATH ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE WERE, THE CURRENT STAFF THAT WE HAVE, WHICH SUPPORTS THE TITLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD A STRUCTURE THAT EVERYONE REALIZED, ONCE YOU ADDED MORE EMPLOYEES UNDER THIS BASE, THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD TRIGGER OTHER ITEMS. SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT NUMBER'S FLEXIBLE.
I WAS JUST GOING BACKWARDS FROM WHAT CURRENT STAFF IS.
DOES ANY OF THIS AFFECT THE COMPARABILITY OF POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY OR IS EVERYBODY GOING TO STILL BE MY I'M? I'M SORRY, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, BUT IS EVERYBODY MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, LIKE AS A CONSTABLE IN PRECINCT THREE AND THE DEPUTY DEPUTY SHERIFF, ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY OR IS THIS AN INCREASE FOR THEM? THIS WOULD BE A PROPOSED INCREASE FOR KITCHENS AND JOHNSON JUST BASED
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ON THE INCREASED ABOVE WHAT A LIEUTENANT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.NO, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS A CONSTABLE WITH THIS MINI UNDER HIM, MORE QUALIFIES AS A CHIEF DEPUTY OVER AT KSL.
AND THEN WE'RE SAYING THAT A LIEUTENANT WITH THIS NUMBER OF DEPUTIES UNDER HIM, MORE QUALIFIES AS A KSM ASSISTANT CHIEF DEPUTY.
WELL, UH, THE NATURE OF MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IS THAT, THAT EVERYBODY, AT EVERY LEVEL, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S A DEPUTY IN THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, OR IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S A DEPUTY IN THE FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE, THEY ALL HAVE TO MAKE EXACTLY THE SAME MONEY.
WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? OR AT LEAST MY QUESTION IS, UH, W WHILE I KNOW THAT'S SORT OF OUR GENERAL OVERARCHING CONCEPT, UH, IT, IT REALLY, I MEAN, UH, COMPENSATION SHOULD BE BASED ON YOUR DUTIES AND YOUR, AND YOUR, THE WORK THAT'S DONE.
SO DOES, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE, THAT THEY DO THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THE, THAT, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, UM, PRESUMPTIVELY YOU'RE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL GO TO, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING IS THE, UH, CO-EQUAL RANK AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT LIEUTENANT IS THAT RIGHT? ASSISTANT CHIEF ASSISTANT CHIEF ASSISTANT CHIEF.
SO DOES, DOES THE ASSISTANT CHIEF IN PRECINCT TO DO THE SAME LEVEL OF, AND COMPLEXITY AND SCOPE OF WORK THAT, THAT AN ASSISTANT CHIEF IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUGHT TO DRIVE EQUAL PAY.
IF YOU DO EQUAL WORK, IT'S NOT ASSISTANT CHIEF IT'S CHIEF, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT THE TITLE, EVEN RONNIE'S TITLE CHIEF, DEPUTY, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE MY RANK, SIR.
AND YOU'D BE SUPERVISED WITH HOW MANY 28 AT THAT POINT, ONCE THIS ACHIEVEMENT WOULD BE 28.
SO THAT SEEMS AN INCONSISTENCY TO ME, BUT YEAH, I KNOW.
I MEAN, POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAME FROM, I MEAN, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, SERGEANTS THAT ARE SUPERVISED IN 40 VAPE.
THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN ASSISTANT CHIEF TO DO THAT.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA OF THAT TOP OF RANK AND THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE DOING THESE CONTRACTS THAT I DON'T LIKE ANYWAY, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE PRECINCT THREE DOESN'T HAVE RANKING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT DOING THE CONTRACTS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF RANKING.
IT SHOULD, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE THE SAME ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
I STILL THINK YOU GUYS WERE OVERSTEPPING WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S AN ARGUMENT I'VE PAUSED BEFORE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME THING AS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS DOING.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THE SAME WORK, NOT SUPERVISING THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK THE RANK IS JUSTIFIED.
I DON'T THINK THE PAY IS JUSTIFIED WELL AGAINST HER.
IT, YOU WOULD HAVE A SUBJECTIVE, UM, DEFINITION OF THE WORKLOAD WHILE THE NUMBERS MAY NOT BE THE SAME OF THE LOGISTICS OR THE EXECUTION, UH, PERTAINING TO BUDGET MANAGEMENT, UH, FACILITIES OR THE ALL THE SAME TYPE OF WORK.
SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE 106 EMPLOYEES BETWEEN 50 OR 30 TO A HUNDRED, AS LONG AS THE TYPES OF WORK BEING MANAGEMENT SUPERVISION, POLICY BUDGET, UH, IF IT, IF THAT IS ALL THE SAME, THEN IT WOULD EQUATE IN THAT FACTOR.
UH, I'D HAVE TO DISPUTE THAT BECAUSE THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN KIM DOES NOT DOES ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WORK THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN DALLAS DOES, BUT THEY DON'T GET THE SAME PAGE.
BUT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS, IS A BIG FACTOR.
BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO EQUATE IT.
UM, WHILE THEY'RE BOTH CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE LEVEL, AND THE FACT THAT THE CHIEF OF KIM IS MANAGING A $300,000 BUDGET VERSUS THE CHIEF OF DALLAS, WHO'S, YOU KNOW, MANAGING A $600 MILLION BUDGET.
AND THE, AND SO THAT YOUR ANALOGY IS PERFECT BECAUSE I I'M PRESUMPTIVELY SURE THAT, UH, UH, AN ASSISTANT CHIEF AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS MANAGING A BIGGER BUDGET THAN THIS.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT IS SIMILAR IN THE WAY OF THE BUDGET LEVEL WORK POLICIES, PROCEDURES, INSTRUCTIONALLY RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ON THIS, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LIEUTENANT KITCHENS OR RIGHT.
SO, UH, I, I JUST HAVE, I THINK THIS IS FOR RANGELAND, SO WE SHOULDN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALL FUNDED BY, UH, EXTERNAL REVENUES, NOT COUNTY
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MONEY.AND THAT THIS IS ALL STILL PREDICATED.
THIS ENTIRE EVER-GROWING STRUCTURE IS PREDICATED ON THAT THESE CONTRACTS BE RENEWED BECAUSE IF THEY ARE RENEWED OR THEY BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, FATALLY DELINQUENT, THEN ALL OF THIS PERSONNEL EQUIPMENT STAFFING GONE, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THIS, THAT WE DID HAVE A CONTRACT, WE DID HAVE ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT JUST QUIT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CONTRACT WAS.
I MEAN, CONTRACTS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, IT JUST SO HAPPENED.
I THINK THAT THE PERSON THAT WAS ON THAT PATROL CONTRACT, THERE WAS ANOTHER EMPTY SLOT OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, I GUESS WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT IF ONE OF THESE, ONE OF OUR, UH, PARTNERS, ONE OF THE, THE CONTRACTING, UH, DEVELOPERS, IF THEY WANT TO QUIT, UH, AND WHEN THEY GOT THREE OR PEOPLE WORKING IN THERE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE GOING TO SUE THEM.
UH, AND NOW, AND NOW THIS, THIS, THIS PORTENDS, OR WE'RE GONNA INVEST SOMEHOW, OR WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO OCCUPY, UH, OFFICE SPACE THAT WE DON'T OWN CORRECTLY.
UH, THE, THE, THE WINDMILL FARMS OR WHOEVER THIS CONGLOMERATION OF CONTRACTS ARE GOING TO FUND THIS SPACE.
AND SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO, TO OUR SPACE DECISIONS? SO THAT IS, UM, A PROPOSAL THAT WILL COME FROM THE DISTRICT AND IT SPEAKS TO CONSTABLE JOHNSON AND KITCHENS.
UM, I'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WOULD BE THE REGULAR CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, UM, THAT WOULD ONLY HOUSE THE PATROL UNITS, UM, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE, YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR PROGRAMMING SPACE OR YOUR CONSTABLE PRECINCT TO IN ANY NEW FACILITIES OR ANY RENOVATIONS SO THAT THIS COULD OPERATE ON ITS OWN OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY.
SO ANY LEASE AGREEMENTS, ANYTHING ON THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE BETWEEN THE DISTRICTS.
AND SO THEN ONE LAST QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NO CONSTITUTIONAL PROHIBITION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTING AND ANOTHER CONSTABLE'S PRECINCT, UH, IS THERE ANY IMPLICATION OR ANY OBSTACLE AND YOU MIGHT BE BETTER ANSWERED THIS TO ME ABOUT HOW, FOR INSTANCE, CONSTABLE PRECINCT THREE, IS THERE ANY OBSTACLE FOR HIM BEING ABLE TO EXECUTE HIS STATUTORY CONSTITUTIONAL CONSTABLE DUTIES IN AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A, WHERE YOU HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRACT? NO, SIR.
IT'S COMPLETELY SUPPLEMENTAL JUST FOR PATROL.
IT'S A THROW CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR.
I UNDERSTAND, SIR, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE DEALING WITH FOLLOWING UP ON A SUPPLEMENTAL PATROL TYPE CONTRACT, RIGHT.
THAT'S SEMANTICS, YOU TITLED HIM AND AN INVESTIGATOR.
SO THAT'S INVESTIGATIONS THAT THAT'S, AND THAT EXCEEDS WHAT I, WHEN I CAME ON THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT I THOUGHT THESE CONTRACTS WERE ALL ABOUT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT'S AN, YOU KNOW, AN EVOLVING INDEPENDENT POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE, UH, SMILING.
I HAVE A, I, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, JUST MANAGING THESE CONTRACTS AND STUFF, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT COMPLEXITY OR KEEPING TRACKABLE.
IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO SUPPLEMENT, HEY, BEYOND WHAT EVERYBODY'S STRUCTURED IT AS COUNTY, I WANT TO PUT THAT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL PAY, BECAUSE IF THAT CONTRACT GETS KILLED, I NEED TO STOP THAT PAYMENT, THAT EXTRA MONEY.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR IT IS IF IT'S CODED SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT, BUT NOW I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK ME ANOTHER QUESTION THAT Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY.
IT BRINGS IN MONEY, PAYS FOR EVERYTHING.
IT DOESN'T BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING COMP TIME PUT ON THE BOOKS, IF THAT CONTRACT ENDS, THE COUNTY'S LIABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE HOURS, IF THEY PAY THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
WHEN WE MISS ALL FIRST GOT STARTED, WHO'S GOING TO COVER THAT.
I BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
I CAN'T BILL THOSE PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T, THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EARNED WORKING.
SORRY, I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAID FOR OUT OF THE CONTRACTS, THE, THE CON THE BILL IS SENT TO THE CONTRACTS AND THAT'S WITHIN IT.
KILL THE CONTRACT, WHERE YOU GOING TO GET THE MONEY.
JERRY, YOU STILL HAVE TO, YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THEM.
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SO OVER NINE MONTHS TO GET THAT LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FROM THAT OTHER ONE W THAT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS A BILLING EFFORT ON Y'ALL'S PART.Y'ALL SEND THE BILL TO THE WRONG PEOPLE.
SO, UM, THE, UH, PERSON, CAUSE I WAS GIVEN THE WRONG INFORMATION.
MA'AM THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT WAS IT.
AS SOON AS IT WAS CORRECTED, THEY PAID STRAIGHT AWAY.
NO, BUT WE DID THE INVOICES AND ASK Y'ALL TO DELIVER THEM.
YOU SAID YOU WOULD, YOU DIDN'T, UH, THAT WAS BEFORE WE DID ALL THAT, BUT YEAH.
DO WE HAVE IN CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO'S OFFICE, ARE THERE A IDENTIFIED SET OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STATUTORY CONSTABLE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY CONSTABLES OR DEPUTY CONSTABLES AND EVERYONE ELSE IS THAT, IS THAT SO SOME GUYS ARE ON THE COUNTY OR CHART JUST WAS FORWARD ONE THERE, THIS ONE THERE'S TWO THERE'S THREE COUNTY IN THE CONSTABLE.
SO, SO HIS, IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD, HIS SUPPLEMENTAL PAY, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SEPARATE FROM HIS COUNTY PAY.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SHEPHERD SO THAT WE CAN KEEP CLERK, AMBER, SHE HAS A SET COUNTY SALARY AND THEN HE BROUGHT IN THE CONTRACT WHERE SHE'S PAID EXTRA AND SHE KNOWS THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.
I KNOW THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN, ALL OF THESE ENTITIES, ALL FOUR OF THEM CAN'T GET TOGETHER AND CREATE THEIR OWN POLICE FORCE.
SO IT TAKES LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL TO MAKE THAT, UH, YES, SIR.
THERE THERE'S CURRENTLY THERE MAY BE AN AVENUE FOR ONE OF THEM, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY SMALL, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T KNOW.
BUT AT, AT THIS TIME THERE WAS NOT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW IT.
THAT MONDAY, MONDAY DISTRICTS, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHICH ONE FRESH WATER DISTRICT OR MONDAY'S DRINK AND DO A POLICE FORCE.
AND THE OTHER ONE CAMP, THREE OF THEM ARE MONDAY'S DRINKS AND ONE OF THEM ARE, OR VICE VERSA, BUT ONLY ONE OF THEM, THEY HAVEN'T SHOWERED.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE A POLICE FORCE, NOT WINDMILL FARMS. SO DAVE AND CHERYL COULD HAVE A POLICE FORCE THEN CONTRACT OUT FOR THE OTHERS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT, THAT THE ENVIRONMENT THAT ATMOSPHERICS THE, THE URBANIZATION THAT THE POLICING IS NECESSARY, BUT THAT, THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE.
ONE OF THEM COULD CREATE A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THEY COULD BE THE CONTRACTING DEPARTMENT FOR THESE OTHER, IF THEY WANT IT, YOU HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO WANT TO THAT FAR.
AND THERE'S AN EVOLUTION OF THE MCKINSEY DISTRICT.
UM, THE, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FEASIBLE THROUGH TCEQ AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THERE, THE DISTRICT'S NOT OLD ENOUGH IN THE FINANCING AND THEIR DEBT ISN'T BALANCED ENOUGH TO THAT.
TCQ WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
WELL, MIKE IS WORKING OVER THERE TO THE DISTRICTS.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET WILL ADDRESS THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES AND THE NUMBER OF HOURS.
IT WON'T BE NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BUILT IN ADVANCE THAT IT WILL BE PART OF THEIR BUDGET, CALCULATED HOMEWORK.
SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THAT LINE ITEM HAS TO BE THERE RIGHT ON A POCKET, SUGGEST IT.
AND I THINK YOU COULD BUILD IN, IN A CRUEL THAT YOU HAD DONE IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND WE'D DO A LIABILITY AGAINST, SO YOU ACCRUE IT AND THEN YOU DO A LIABILITY AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND YEAR, AND YOU'D RESET IT EACH YEAR, BASED UPON WHATEVER THE BANK RIDER LIABILITY WAS.
AND WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE I DID TALK TO BRANDY AT, IN KAREN'S OFFICE ON DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT ON THE VERY FIRST QUARTER OR SOMETHING, UH, WE COULD BILL FOR THAT CONTINGENCY, HOLD IT.
UH, AND THEN THE EVENT THAT, UM, WE DID HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY ON COMP TIME.
IF IT WASN'T SPENT, IT WOULD THEN BE ADDED TO THE LAST QUARTER.
THE IDEAL THING WOULD BE TO PUT THAT THE CLEANEST THING WOULD BE TO HAVE THE DISTRICTS PUT THAT IN A ESCROW ACCOUNT, AN ESCROW ACCOUNT SO THAT THE MONEY WOULD BE THERE.
AND IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY CHANCE OF IT NOT BEING FUNDED SO THEY COULD GET IT BACK.
AND WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS.
ALRIGHTY, W WE BROUGHT THIS UP AND JERRY STOPPED A LOT ABOUT THE COMP TIME AND THE MEN PAID, THEN HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING IT UP IN THEIR NEXT CONFERENCE.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 40? HAD ANOTHER, ARE THEY THE
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SAME? ARE YOU ALTOGETHER? CAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT THERE'S POSITIONS.IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH POSITIONS, I GOT A LIST OF APPROVED POSITIONS THAT ARE ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
THE CONTRACTS WILL BE A WASH WITH FINANCIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK THERE'S A REQUEST FOR POSITIONS IN THE PRINCIPALS PRECINCT.
I JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE.
WE, UH, UH, WE DID PUT IN A REQUEST FOR, UM, TWO POSITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UH, THE CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
ONE IS FOR ANOTHER CIVIL POSITION.
UH, WE'VE SEEN A 25% INCREASE SO FAR THIS YEAR, FROM LAST YEAR WITHIN CIVIL PROCESS, THAT'S COMING INTO THE OFFICE.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO, UH, CONTINUE TO GROW AS, UH, THE NEW BUILDING, UM, THE NEW HOUSING, UH, START TO FILL IN PEOPLE, RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO MOVE IN.
UH, WE'VE ALSO SEEN AN INCREASE IN COURT CASES THIS YEAR FROM, UM, ON THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THIS YEAR WHERE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE BAILIFF DUTIES, UH, COMPARED TO TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE FIRST, UH, THE SAME FIRST SIX MONTHS REALLY COULDN'T COMPARE IT TO LAST YEAR, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE COURT.
UH, SO FOR THAT, UH, WE WERE ASKING FOR, UH, ANOTHER CIVIL DEPUTY POSITION FORCIBLE PROCESS AND TO HELP COVER THE, UH, THE COURT, UH, THE OTHER POSITION THAT WE'VE ASKED IF WE WOULD ASK CURRENTLY WE HAVE A CANINE.
UM, THE CHAIN ITSELF IS THE PROPERTY OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THE DEPUTY POSITION, UH, IS FUNDED BY ALL FOUR CONTRACTS BECAUSE HE MOVES WITHIN THE CONTRACT WITH THE DOG AND PROVIDES US HER SERVICES.
THE, UH, AGREEMENT WAS THAT BY DOING THAT, UH, THE, THE CANINE IS THEN AVAILABLE FOR ANY ENTITY ENTITIES AROUND, UH, THAT MAY NEED THE CANINE SO FAR THIS, UH, SIX MONTHS OR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE'VE HAD 50 DEPLOYMENTS OF THE CANINE WITHIN THE CONTRACTS AND WITHIN THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THE, UH, POSITION THAT CANINE HANDLER POSITION OUT OF THE CONTRACTS AND MOVE THEM INTO THE STATUTORY CONSTABLE'S OFFICE THAT WAY.
UM, IT'S MORE READILY AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY ITSELF.
ANY AGENCIES, UH, SO FAR WE'VE PROVIDED SERVICES TO, UH, 19 AGENCIES, UM, IN AND AROUND THE COUNTY, UH, FOR EITHER DRUG DETECTION OR TRAFFICKING OR SORRY, UH, TRACKING HUMAN TRUCK.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THAT CANINE POSITION OUT OF THE CANINE HANDLING OR POSITION OUT OF THE CONTRACTS AND ACTUALLY MOVE THEM ONTO, UM, THE COUNTY BUDGET QUESTIONS.
[40. Budget Workshop: To discuss the Fiscal Year 2021-2022 Annual Budget]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 40, WHICH IS THE BUDGET, AND I'M GONNA JUST REAL BRIEFLY, VERY BRIEFLY PROMISE.UM, WE TALKED IN OUR INITIAL BUDGET MEETING, UH, JUST KIND OF, I'LL PROBABLY SAY THIS EVERY TIME THAT MY PROPOSAL IS THAT WE, THAT WE STRIVE TO LIVE WITHIN A 5% INCREASE IN OUR TOTAL, UH, GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND A 5% INCREASE IN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE REVENUE THAT WE, OUR PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR DAUGHTER'S DOLLARS THAT WE GET, I THINK SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE TARGET.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, PERSONNEL REQUESTS FOR, FOR INCREASES THAT WE, WE GO BACK TO THE EVERGREEN STUDY, WHICH WAS OUR ANCHOR, AND I'LL JUST USE A REAL SIMPLE EXAMPLE.
SOMEBODY THAT'S A PERSON WHO'S 40% BELOW THE MEDIAN, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A PERSON WHO'S 10% BELOW THE MEDIAN.
AND SOMEBODY THAT'S 40% IS GOING TO GET A LARGER STEP UP TO TRY TO MOVE THEM TO THE MIDDLE THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S 10% BELOW.
IS THAT CLEAR WHAT I'M SAYING? AND SO RELY ON THIS RELIANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE NOT A SCIENCE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE ART INVOLVED.
I THINK JERRY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT KIND OF MOVING, YOU KNOW, CORRECT.
AND SOME OF THOSE BIG ERRORS BEFORE.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS WE HAVE A NUMBER, A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF, UH, POSITION REQUESTS TO ADD PEOPLE.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ASK THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WHEN THEY'RE ADDING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME JUSTIFICATION, BESIDES WE'RE JUST REAL BUSY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SOME GIFT, SOME QUANTIFIABLE OR SOME, UH, DESCRIPTION IS WRITTEN DESCRIPTION AS TO WHY THEY NEED MORE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEY'RE FILING 5,000 MORE.
I MEAN, SOME OF US WILL HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS WILL HAVE NUMBERS AND SOME WON'T, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADD ALL OF THE POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
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LIVE FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT.WE HAVE OUR IN ALL OF OUR CONSTABLES.
TARNOW JUDGE BARTON, JUDGE JACKSON AND JUDGE ADAMS. I'M SORRY.
UH, WELL, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN JUST COMBINE THOSE TWO JOBS AND YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN START WEARING A GUN OPENLY.
YOU DON'T WANT HER DOING FUNNY.
THANK YOU GENTLEMEN, FOR MEETING WITH US AFTER A GRUELING MORNING, Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE, WE'VE HAD TO SIT THROUGH MOST OF IT.
UH, APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
AND THANK YOU JUDGE FOR HAVING US TODAY.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO LET MISS, UH, JUST TARNOW TAKE OFF ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IN WE'LL HIT THE OTHER SPOTS INDIVIDUALLY.
SHE'S GOT TO BE IN COURT AT ONE 30.
IT'S ONLY JUVENILES AND JUVENILES CAN WAIT.
ANYWAY, THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE THEM.
SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WE'VE THROWN AROUND, I KNOW THAT I WAS HERE JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
UM, AND I HAVE SOME SUMMER HELP NOW.
SO FOR SUMMER AND FALL BREAK, SPRING BREAK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, WE ALL TALKED, I GUESS, PREVIOUSLY IN THE COUNTY, THERE HAD BEEN SOME TYPE OF FLOATING POSITION WHERE WE HAD, COULD HAVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FILL IN.
I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE BUSY ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY EACH PRECINCT BRINGING ON A FULL-TIME PERSON.
UM, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING A FLOATING POSITION FOR THAT.
UM, SO SOME EXAMPLES ARE, WE DEFINITELY ARE BUSY ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, JUST WITH THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CASES LIKE FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, JUST ON THE CIVIL SIDE, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT PROBABLY KEEPS MY OFFICE THE BUSIEST IN 2019, I HAD ABOUT 750 CASES.
UM, 20, 20, I ALSO HAD 750 CASES, BUT THAT WAS AMID A PANDEMIC.
AND SO, SO FAR FOR 2021, I'VE HAD OVER 700 CIVIL CASES FILED THIS YEAR AND I'M ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
SO I ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL, IT WILL DOUBLE.
SO, UM, JUST HAVING SOMEONE IN THE SEAT, OBVIOUSLY THIS PAST YEAR, UH, THE PANDEMIC WAS TOUGH WHERE PEOPLE OUT WITH COVID AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THERE WERE TIMES, AND ONLY HAD ONE PERSON AVAILABLE IN MY OFFICE, UH, WHICH IS TOUGH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS A CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL.
SO WE ARE TAKING PAYMENTS AT THE WINDOW, ANSWERING THE PHONE, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ALL THE OTHER DUTIES THAT COME ALONG WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
UM, I DID HAVE AN INCIDENT THAT I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF BEFORE I HAD AN EMPLOYEE THAT, UM, I'M SPEAKING TO MAYA HAD PASSED OUT AND ENDED UP GOING TO THE HOSPITAL.
SHE WAS OUT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND THEN SHE WAS GOING TO GO ON TO FMLA OR THE DOCTOR, OR I HAD TO SAVE HER POSITION YET.
SHE COULD ONLY WORK A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF HOURS PER WEEK, WHICH WAS GOING TO PUT ME DOWN ANOTHER PERSON WHICH HAD ACTUALLY DID FOR THAT WAS TIED UP FOR ABOUT FOUR WEEKS, UM, DEALING WITH THAT.
SO TO ME, IF I'M POSITION SOUNDS GOOD.
UM, JUST TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S INEVITABLE COMING FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO THE COUNTY SECTOR, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TONS OF VACATION TIME AND COMP TIME AND SICK TIME.
I WAS A LOT OF 10 DAYS A YEAR FOR 20 YEARS, AND THAT WAS FOR EVERYTHING.
AND SO COMING HERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONSISTENTLY OFF WORK, UM, IT DOES MAKE FOR A TOUGH POSITION TO RUN YOUR OFFICE SOMETIMES.
AND SO HAVING A FLOATING POSITION DOES SOUND APPEALING TO ME TO HAVE A BODY THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMEBODY OUT FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME OR JUST TO HAVE SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, KEVIN AND WORK ON SPECIAL PROJECTS IF I DO HAVE A FULL STAFF IN THE OFFICE.
SO I DO THINK IT'S SOMEONE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED.
SO, SO THAT'S JUST MY, MY KIND OF SPILL ON THE FLOATING POSITION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? OH, WAIT, WE'VE ALL HAD, WE'VE ALL HAD TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES, BUT WE MAY ONLY HAVE TWO, UH, FOR SEVERAL DAYS.
I'VE HAD ONE OUT SINCE, UM, JUNE THE EIGHTH THAT HAD BACK SURGERY.
I HAD ONE THAT ALREADY HAD A VACATION SCHEDULED.
UM, THIS WEEK HAS BEEN THE FIRST WEEK AND IN QUITE A WHILE, BUT I HAVE ALL FOUR THERE, BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, EVERYTHING GETS BEHIND.
SO THEN WE'RE PLAYING, CATCH-UP THE IDEA BEHIND THE FLOATING POSSIBLE FLOATING POSITION IS THAT IF SHE HAD SOMEBODY OUT, THAT PERSON WOULD FILL IN, IN HER OFFICE, IF HE DID THAT, WE WOULD JUST ALL SHARE IT.
THEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY OUT, THEN THAT PERSON
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WOULD ROTATE THROUGH TO HELP WITH THINGS THAT SOMETIMES OUR CLERKS DON'T GET TO LIKE FILING, UH, INPUTTING MAGISTRATE MORNINGS.I SPAWN A TON OF MORE, UM, BUT THOSE WARRANTS ALL HAVE TO BE PUTTING IN, IN SOMETIMES MY GOALS I'VE HAD DAYS THAT I HAVE SIGNED 40 WARRANTS FOR ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
I HAD TO SPLIT THOSE UP BETWEEN MY GIRLS TO GET THEM ALL ANSWERED THAT DAY BECAUSE DISPATCH NEEDS TO HAVE THOSE ENTERED TOO.
SO, UM, THAT PERSON WOULD KIND OF FILL IN IF ONE OF US HAD AN, UH, A NEED AND JUDGE JACKSON WHO WAS IN HERE BECAUSE HE HAD MENTAL COMMITMENT HEARINGS AT, AT ONE O'CLOCK.
BUT HE HAS HAD TIMES WHEN HE HAD ONE PERSON, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES BECAUSE OF ILLNESS, HAVING BABIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I WILL THROW OUT THAT, CAUSE I KNOW THAT MR. DANE IS PROBABLY GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE HE HAS ASKED ME BEFORE, UM, TWO YEARS AGO, THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE DESIGNATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY FUND FROM JUSTICE COURT TECHNOLOGY TO JUSTICE COURT ASSISTANCE AND TECHNOLOGY.
UM, Y'ALL ARE ALL AWARE, WELL AWARE OF PROBABLY WHAT THE BALANCE, THE IS THAT IS IN THAT.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW IF ALL FOUR COURTS MOVE, WHAT OUR TECHNOLOGY RESPONSIBILITIES MAY BE, AND WE MAY NEED TO DRAW FROM THAT FIND, UM, MR. DEAN ASKED ME IF THIS POSITION MIGHT BE ONE THAT COULD PAY BE PAID FROM THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS INTENDED BY THE LEGISLATURE FOR IT TO BE USED FOR LIKE A SPECIAL PROJECT OR IT'S MEANT TO SUPPLEMENT.
IF YOU BACK TO THE READING OF ACTUAL BILL, IT'S NOT MEANT TO FIND A POSITION, FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME.
WELL, YOU'D RUN OUT OF MONEY DEPLETE QUICKLY AND IT WOULD END, IT WOULD DEPLETE THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE FLOATING ONE.
AND I TOLD AMY ALREADY THAT I THINK EVERY TIME YOU'D NEED IT, THE OTHER THREE IT NEEDED AT THE SAME TIME.
I'M I'M TELLING YOU NOW I'VE BEEN LIKE, I SCREAMED BACK TO THE TWINS AND THEY'RE ONLY ONE ICE-CREAM GO, IT'S GOING TO BE A FAT IN THE BACKSEAT.
ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE FOUR JPS THAT TRY TO WORK TOGETHER.
I'M JUST SAYING, UH, WHERE WE DON'T GET CROSSWISE TOO MUCH.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT MAYBE I'LL ASK HIM FOR MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE FLOATERS I'M NOT USING RIGHT NOW, I MAY NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORK OR NOT.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD WORK OR NOT, I JUST THINKING, IS THIS PERSON GOING TO HAVE A TRAVEL EXPENSIVE? THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
I'LL DO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING INTO MORE THAN JUST, UM, WHAT IT IS, IF IT HAS TO GO TO CAMP ONE DAY AND 40 THE NEXT DAY, AND THEN BACK TO KAUFMAN'S AND THEN THE CAMP, YOU GOT AN ISSUE ON YOUR HANDS ALREADY.
AND, UH, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? W WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE CENTRALIZED SERVICES VERSUS A PERSON THAT TRAVELED? SO A PERSON THAT DOES X AND THEY DO ALL THE BAGS FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT OUR CLERKS DO, THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE OFFICE TO DO THEM MAGISTRATE WARNINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT COULD BE THE FAT PERSON COULD, COULD DO THOSE FROM ONE LOCATION, BUT THAT MEANS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SENT TO THAT LOCATION.
WE'RE PRETTY SOON, AT LEAST YOU TWO GUYS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
THAT WOULD HELP BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SHORT ONE, THE OTHER PERSON'S GOT ALL FOUR PEOPLE THEY COULD EXIT AND LOANED YOU MONEY.
IF THEY'RE CALLED UP, WE'RE KIND OF SELFISH AND SAY, THERE YOU GO.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET REALLY SENSITIVE OVER THE FLOATER.
I KNOW YOU HAVE, I KNOW THREE.
UM, BUT, UM, I, AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES I'VE OFFERED, IF I HAD ALL FOUR OF MINE, I WOULD HAVE OFFERED TO SEND WINE TO FORNEY, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THIS ISN'T A CERTIFIED POSITION
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OR ANYTHING.LET'S SAY JUST LIKE THE TEMPORARY HELP THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASK OF ME.
I WOULD CONSIDER AN, A MORE SKILLED POSITION THAN JUST MAYBE A 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD HIGH SCHOOL.
IT WAS LIKE A REGULAR CLERK, BUT THEY WOULD JUST FLOAT AND LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
THAT WAS THE BEST ONE THAT WE CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW? CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN EACH OF OUR OFFICES.
SO FOR THEM TO FILL IN AT A VACANT POSITION.
UM, SO IF EVERYBODY'S EMPLOYEES SHOWED UP, IT'D BE OKAY.
THEY DIDN'T GET SICK OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE SURGERY OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE VACATION OR SICK TIME.
I MEAN IT'S, THE JOBS ARE ALL STANDARDIZED.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT THE SAME FORMS. IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY Y'ALL OPERATE.
THERE MAY BE A SMALL DIFFERENCES, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART, YEAH, FALLING, YES.
YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT IT IN A BOX AND SHE WANTS TO PUT IT IN US SAYING, YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S IT.
BUT I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT, THAT, UH, WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WITH PROBATION AT ONE TIME, UH, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE ALL SUPERVISED PEOPLE, BUT I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IT WON'T WORK.
I GET WHAT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS WAS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT, IT, IT IS, UH, IT'LL END UP BEING PROBLEMATIC AND SOONER OR LATER THAT PERSON WILL BE IN ONE OR THE OTHER OF YOUR OFFICES.
SO THE OTHER ONE TOLD HIM, YOU TOLD HIM TO DO.
THAT'S JUST REALLY NOT, NOT, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT FROM A MANAGEMENT STRUGGLE, BUT, BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 17 GUYS ON THE ROAD CREW AND MOST OF THOSE GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME.
SO ON ANY GIVEN DAY, I'M DOWN TO ABOUT 14 GUYS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE COMP TIME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT AND VACATION.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S JUST A PERVASIVE PROBLEM AROUND THE COUNTY.
SO I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU THERE.
IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN DIFFERENT STUFF.
SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EVERGREEN STUDY.
CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING.
I TRIED TO PULL IT UP FOR YOU.
AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE LAKE.
IT'S FILED TOO WITH THE CLERK REGARDING OUR NEXT POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT KNOW, UM, HAVING SOMEONE IN OUR OFFICE LIKE SPANISH SPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, NOT JUST FOR MY OFFICE, BUT UM, I THINK WHEN SOMEONE CALLS IN ON THE SPANISH SPEAKING LINE, IT DOES RING IN MY OFFICE EVEN IT'S FOR LIKE A TAX OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, LAST WEEK IN DENTON, WE HAD A, UM, A TRAINING AND SOME OF THEM ARE PAYING, YOU KNOW, PER YEAR FOR THEIR SPANISH SPEAKERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CODE, THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTANCES, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED AND THEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THEY DON'T.
UM, BUT IT IS, IT IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AND SO PAYMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SPANISH SPEAKERS I THINK IS ONLY FAIR.
UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE WAGE STUDY ADDRESSED THAT SOME COUNTIES DO HAVE A STOP IN FOR MULTILINGUAL, BUT THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ANYBODY ELSE THINKS METHODS, BUT THEY EVEN SAID, WELL, MAYBE IF YOU MADE THE POSITION, ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS WAS EXPANDED BILINGUAL POSITION WHERE THE WORDS AND THAT POSITION PAID JUST A FRACTION MORE MONEY.
AND SO YOU HAD IT BUILT IN ALL THE TIME.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'D BE A SIPHON IN A SENSE, BUT IT WOULD BE DISTRICT STRUCTURED PAY AND THEN WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO GET CERTIFIED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE COURT BECAUSE THERE STILL ARE INSTANCES, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE SPANISH SPEAKERS, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOR A TRIAL, YOU CAN'T, I CAN'T JUST BRING A CLERK IN AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU TRANSLATE? IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
YOU'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, $75 AN HOUR, A MINIMUM OF TWO HOURS, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW.
WE HAD A CERTIFIED CLERK IN THERE THAT, AND THAT POSITION, THE NEIGHBOR.
AND IT COMES UP A LOT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHERE I SEE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS CRIMINAL TRIALS.
YOU KNOW, YOU PAY TRANSLATOR TO COME MINIMUM TWO HOURS, $75 AN HOUR, AND THEN THE CASE DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD.
IT GETS RESET FOR ONE OF A MILLION REASONS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO I SHOULD HAVE, IT'S MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE STUDY.
SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CLERKS, LIKE
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LEVEL ONE, CLERKS, MASTER CLERKS.I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTIFICATION, A LOT OF THAT SORT OF THING.
SO JUST SOME, SOME MORE STRUCTURE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTANCE.
SO IT'S NOT CLEAR CUT, LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME SPANISH SPEAKERS, SOME THAT ARE LEVEL ONE CERTIFIED, UM, I THINK ONLY ONE MASTER CERTIFIED.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VARIATIONS, BUT YET IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.
YEAH, MAN, I THINK THAT, UH, IF HE HAD JUST ENDED UP ALL FOUR PEOPLE SPOKE SPANISH, YOU JUST COULDN'T PAY EVERYBODY EXTRA FOR, I PICKED SOME LOSE MY ONE AND ONLY TO THE ONLY LET HER HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
THEY'RE HARD TO FIND, ESPECIALLY THAT THEIR CRANE WAS PAYING HER MORE MONEY BECAUSE SHE'S SPANISH SPEAKING.
SHE'S AND SHE'S BEEN WITH ME FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE IN A HELL OF A MESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THAT.
HE SAID THEY CALL HIM NOW CONSTANTLY.
AND THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON IN MY OFFICE THAT CAN TRANSLATE OR THEY COME TO THAT WIND CONSTANTLY.
I WAS ONE PERSON WE HAVE HAD SOMEBODY WORKS FOR COMMISSIONER COME UP THERE AND TRANSLATE THIS WHEN CLAUDIA WAS OUT.
AND THEN THE OFFICE THING, JUDGE ADAMS. SO IT WAS GOOD.
IS CLAUDIA DEFINITE LEAVING? YOU SHE'S MEETING WITH THEM TODAY.
BUT THEY HAVE OFFERED HER MORE MONEY BECAUSE YOU DID ASK YOU DID, YOU DID BRING IT UP IN YOUR REQUEST TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT.
THAT WAS BEFORE THAT BEFORE YESTERDAY.
SO THESE VERY KINDS OF THINGS ARE, WHICH REALLY ARE PERVASIVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OPERATIONS.
ONE WAY THESE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED IS BY CONSOLIDATION.
YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE ARE THERE ARE CERTIFIED TRANSLATORS IN A POOL THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANY COURT.
SO THAT'S TH TH THAT'S THE NEGATIVE FROM HAVING FOUR SEPARATE OPERATIONS WITH EVERYTHING WE DO, BONNIE WAS SAD TO GO TO CERTIFICATION SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN WELL, AND WE CAN USE THE LANGUAGE LINE, BUT WE PAID $3 A MINUTE AND YOU SIT THERE ON HOW WEDDING FOR THEM TO GET MINE.
AND WE HAVE THIS ISSUE AT THE JAIL AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THE SHERIFF DOES HAVE SOME SPANISH SPEAKERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT HIRED TO TRANSLATE FOR US, BUT THEY, THEY DO DO IT.
I I'VE ALWAYS HAD THEM DO IT FOR ME.
AND THE LANGUAGE LINE CAN NOT BE USED IN CONTESTED HEARINGS RIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE I, SHE ASKED HIM AGAIN, UM, YOU'VE KNOWN HER WAITING JUVENILES ARE WHITE AND ANYTHING ELSE, MATT? NOW WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE JAIL.
AND THE SHERIFF IS HERE WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THE JAIL AND YOU GO FIRST, GO AHEAD.
NO, I'M NOT, WHO'S TAKEN ME AMY, SINCE YOU GOT TO GO, YOU CAN'T GET SO THAT I CAN LINK TO FIND ME, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT CAME UP.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, I GUESS THIS IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, SO NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, CAUSE THIS CAME UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH MAGISTRATION DUTIES.
UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN MAGISTRATION DUTIES, SO OBVIOUSLY DUTIES IN OUR COURT.
UM, SO THERE WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF $7,500 A PIECE TO COME, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE FUNDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES TO NOW BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE FORD JPS.
NOT, I DO HAVE MY OCA REPORT THERE.
Y'ALL DO ALL THE MAGISTRATION NOW.
YEAH, WE HAVE SINCE OCTOBER ONE, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WHILE THERE WERE ASSOCIATE JUDGES BETWEEN OCTOBER, 2018 AND OCTOBER, 2020, I DID, I DID CONTINUE TO GO TO THE JAIL WHEN ASKED EVEN AT THREE AND EVEN AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN THE SHERIFF WOULD CALL ME AND ASK ME TO MAGISTRATE ACHIEVER, JUVENILE, I WOULD GO, OR AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WHEN HE CALLED ME THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO.
SO, AND NOTHING AGAINST THE JUDGES, THEY TRIED TO FIT IN WHERE LIKE YOUR OPINION, BUT PLUS THROUGH THEIR PRACTICES, THERE'S MANY TIMES WE COME UP WHERE 24 HOURS BE MAD STRAIGHT AND THEY DIDN'T MEET IT.
AND I'M HAVING TO CALL SOMEBODY WHERE WE TAKE THE LIABILITY OFF THE COUNTY FOR, I GET SUED AND I WAS CALLING JUDGES, I'VE CALLED EVERY ONE OF THEM AND SAID, I NEED YOUR HELP.
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OR WE'LL MEET HERE AND THAT'S BECOME THE PROBLEM.WE KEPT HAVING LEGAL LIABILITIES WHERE WE'RE FIXING TO GET SUED BECAUSE WE WASN'T GETTING MAGISTRATE.
AND THEN WHEN ALL THAT, AND THEN WE GOT THE JUDGES BACK AND I'LL TELL YOU NOW MY STAFF IS THE HAPPIEST THEY'VE BEEN SINCE I'VE COME BY, IT FLOWS A LOT EASIER AND IT'S 10 TIMES BETTER.
AND YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH FOR WHAT THE JUDGES STEP OUT AND DO FOR US TO KEEP OUR JAIL MOVING.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE LIABILITY OF, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD SOME INCIDENT OF HEALTH ISSUES, MENTAL HEALTH STUFF THAT WE NEEDED TO GET MOVING AND THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET THEM OUT AND GET THEM MOVED TO HELP WHAT THEY NEEDED.
IT TOOK ME WEEKS, IF NOT MY CHIEF ALSO WEEKS TRYING TO GET THAT DONE WHERE I CAN GET IT MOVING A LOT FASTER NOW AND GET THEM OUT AND LESSEN THE LIABILITY OUT IN THE JAIL.
SO IT IS A 10 TIMES BETTER TO HAVE RJ PIECE TO ASSIST US IN OUR MAGISTRATE, IN THE JAIL TO MOVE THINGS ALONG IN LESS THE LIABILITY FOR THE COUNTY AND MYSELF.
ONE OF THE THINGS, IF THE DEMOCRATS COME BACK, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND I'VE TALKED WITH KEITH BELL ABOUT IT.
BAIL REFORM IS GOING TO PASS BAIL REFORM REQUIRES US TO DO RISK ASSESSMENTS, TO TRY TO GET PERSONAL BONDS, TO MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN LOW LEVEL.
UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING, THAT'S A FELONY, NOTHING THAT'S ABOUT CRIME WITH THAT COMES THE ADDITION OF MORE BOND CONDITIONS.
AND A FEW YEARS AGO WE ESTABLISHED A PRE-TRIAL SERVICES.
PRE-TRIAL SERVICES WAS ESTABLISHED SO THAT WE COULD ON CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS DO BOND CONDITIONS.
WE HAVE TO FILL OUT ALL THAT INFORMATION, UM, THIS LAST YEAR IN ADDITION TO DOING WELL, EVEN BEFORE THAT I DID IT, BUT WHEN THERE WAS AN ASSAULT FAMILY VIOLENCE CHARGE, WE DO EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDERS, BUT I ALSO DO BOND CONDITIONS.
I THINK YOU NOW DO THAT AND THINK YOU DO TOO.
YEAH, WE MET WITH THE DA'S OFFICE.
AND SO NOW WE ARE DOING BOND CONDITIONS ON ALL ASSAULT FAMILY VIOLENCE CASES.
SO OBVIOUSLY IN THE PAST YEAR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE, BUT THE DA'S OFFICE, I BE THE STATISTICS ARE STAGGERING.
THE NUMBER OF ASSAULT, FAMILY VIOLENCE CASES OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, HAVE BEEN PRETTY TREMENDOUS.
SO ALL THE WAY FROM A CLASS C ASSAULT, YOU KNOW, ON IT, THE LETTER.
SO YOU SEE A LOT MORE, UM, IPO'S UH, NOW WE'RE DOING BOND CONDITIONS FOR ALL ASSAULT, FAMILY VIOLENCE.
AND THEN NOW WE'VE JUST, UM, I DON'T EVEN THINK THIS IS LEGISLATIVELY REQUIRED YET.
UM, BUT WE'VE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DECISION'S BEEN MADE TO NOW TAKE BOND CONDITIONS, UM, AND PUT THOSE IN THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE YOU WOULD A PROTECTIVE ORDER, UM, JUST TO GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE TEETH.
AND SO THE THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN AN INCREASE IN THOSE WELL, AND IT DOESN'T STOP WHENEVER WE WALK OUT OF THE JAIL.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, WHEN WE TRIED TO DISCUSS THIS BEFORE, AND THEN I BELIEVE WE ALL MET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH JUDGE BLAIR, I THINK JUDGE BLAIR GOT A REAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MAGISTRATE MAGISTRATION IS REALLY ABOUT.
IT DOESN'T STOP WHEN WE LEAVE THE JAIL, BECAUSE BEFORE WE GET BACK TO OUR OFFICE, SOMEBODY MORNING AND HEARING TO MODIFY THAT EPO BECAUSE THEY REALLY DIDN'T WANT THEIR WIFE, HER HUSBAND TO GO TO JAIL AND HOW THEY WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED DOING BOND CONDITIONS, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THOSE BOND CONDITIONS, IF THEIR CASE HAS NOT BEEN FILED AND ONE OF THE FOUR OTHER COURTS, THEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO HEAR A, A HEARING ON MODIFICATION OR VIOLATIONS OF ALL THOSE BOND CONDITIONS.
UM, THOSE THINGS PROBABLY WERE NOT DISCUSSED IN DEPTH BEFORE.
UH, JUDGE, JUDGE, BLEYER GOT A REAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS, UH, BECAUSE WHEN THOSE ASSOCIATE JUDGES FELL UNDER HE AND JUDGE CHITTY, THEN THEY ALSO, UH, GOT THOSE DUMPED ON HIM TOO.
AND JUDGE BLAIR CALLED ME WHEN, WHEN THE ONE OF THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES HAD RESIGNED AND WANTED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO, BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE TALKED TO YOU, JUDGE RICHARDSON SAID HE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO, DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
YOU SAID IT TOOK TOO MUCH TIME FOR THIS LADIES TO HAVE THIS PUT INTO THE WELL THAT TOO, BECAUSE OUR CLERKS HAVE TO INPUT ALL OF THEM.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DID PULL MY RECORDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHERS DID OR NOT THAT FROM OCTOBER 18TH, UM, OCTOBER OF 2018 TO OCTOBER OF 2019, I HAD 1,563 MAGISTRATION AT THE JAIL.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I DID HAVE FROM OCTOBER 19TH TO OCTOBER, 2020, I HAD, I HAD 62 MAGISTRATION AT THE
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JAIL WHEN THE ASSOCIATES PATCHES WERE THERE.UM, I HAVE PULLED MY RECORDS FROM JANUARY ONE NOW FROM OCTOBER OF 2020, WHEN WE WENT BACK TO THE JAIL TO JUNE OF 2021, I'VE HAD 1,130.
UM, AND I HAVE THIS MONTH, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.
SO I PROBABLY WILL, WILL REACH THE SAME AMOUNT AS I DID THE, THE YEAR BEFORE WE STOPPED MY SCRAPING AT THE JAIL.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S LESSENED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THEIR NUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE, BUT I DID.
IT'S RATHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE THE SAME.
WE WERE TALKING TO THE SHERIFF EARLIER.
IT'S, IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AS FAR AS, UH, ARREST DRUGS, UNEMPLOYMENT THEFT, BURGLARY, UM, IT'S JUST GETTING REALLY BAD, BUT THE COUNTY IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB TRYING TO GET THESE TAPES OFF OUR STREETS.
AND WE LOVE WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF AND HIS DEPARTMENT OVER THERE.
UH, NEVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE SINCE 2007 AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF RARE TO WORK THAT LONG UP THERE AND NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIS STAFF.
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S IT NOT THE ASSAULT, FAMILY VIOLENCE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BOND REFORM.
UM, I FOUND OUT TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CURFEW FOR MINORS.
SO I GUESS ALL THIS STUFF, KEVIN, NOT TILL TODAY.
SO MEDICAL COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE THOSE.
AND THEN THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE OBVIOUSLY IN JUVENILE CRIMES THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UM, AND THAT DOES FALL WITHIN OCCUPATION DUTIES.
SO I'M SURE AS XL ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A CHILD HAS TO BE MAGISTRATED PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF QUESTIONING OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WELL, I HATE TO BRING UP, WHO'S GOING TO SEE THE MOST CURFEWS.
WELL, CAN I SAY I SIGNED MOST WARRANTS.
I'M BADLY HEARTLAND EVERY DAY.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST CONNECT IS HERE.
SO WE'LL LEAD OFF WITH THE ONE-ARMED BANDIT HERE, I GUESS.
SO, UM, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN A COUNTY JUDGE A COPY OF THIS AND ATTACHED WITH THAT WAS OUR THREE YEARS OF BUDGET, AS WELL AS OUR MOST RECENT AUDITED FINANCIALS.
UM, FOR SENIOR CONNECT, I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LONG DAY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1978.
UM, AND OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, OUR NUMBERS HAVE CONTINUED TO CRAWL UP.
UM, AND AS WELL AS WE'VE SEEN 125% INCREASE AND THE COST OF RAW FOOD PRODUCTS, UM, I CAME TO THE AGENCY ON MARCH THE THIRD AS THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, AND THAT DAY, UH, CISCO WAS WAITING FOR US AT THE OFFICE TO LET US KNOW THAT IF WE WEREN'T, UM, ABLE TO PICK UP ON OUR PAYMENTS QUICKLY THAT THE TRUCKS WOULD STOP.
UM, CURRENTLY SENIOR CONNECT IS PRIMARILY FUNDED ON OUR MEALS THROUGH THE OLDER AMERICANS ACT, WHICH IS COMES DOWN THROUGH NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR THE AAA.
UM, THE MEALS I SERVE TODAY, I WON'T BE PAID FOR, FOR ANOTHER 90 TO 120 DAYS.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO DO IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THIS PAST YEAR, WHICH IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND ALSO GIVE US A ONE TIME, $100,000 TO SET UP A CASH RESERVE THAT WE COULD USE FOR, UH, OUR VENDORS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BRING IN THE RAW FOOD THAT WE NEED TO SERVE.
UM, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND ALL OF THAT, UH, WE HAD TO CLOSE ALL OF OUR CONGREGATE MEAL CENTERS, BUT WE WERE STILL ABLE TO FEED, UH, WE WERE STILL CONTINUING TO DO MEALS ON WHEELS AND THE NEEDS ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE, BUT UNTIL WE CAN GET A CUSHION THERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE DEMAND MUCH LONGER.
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UM, 100% OF OUR CLIENTS ARE ALL COFFIN COUNTY RESIDENTS, MORE THAN 90% OF THEM ARE REGISTERED VOTERS.AND RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS SPEND LESS ON SENIORS THAN YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, AND SO WE ARE COMING AS A BOARD, UM, TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS, UM, CASH RESERVE SET UP AND CONTINUE TO DELIVER SERVICE WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.
UM, WE CAME TO THE JUDGE, YOU AND I DID.
AND BRIAN, BRIAN WAS BUSY THAT MORNING, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE CARES FUNDING.
WAS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT APPLICABLE FOR THE EXTRA HUNDRED THOUSAND? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I, UM, THE CARES FUNDING CARES OF COURSE HAS EXPIRED, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT ALL OUR MONEY AND THEN JUST TO REFRESH, YOU KNOW, THEY CHANGED THE RULES KIND OF AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND RECLAIM THAT MONEY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MONEY IS THE MONEY THAT WE GOT IN ARREARS FROM, UH, TATUM AND FROM THE STATE, I GUESS THERE'S A DESIGNATED, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY, IT'S REALLY NOT CARER'S MONEY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST, OH, IT'S COUNTY MONEY.
SO, UM, THAT MONEY IS NOT DESIGNATED AS FAR AS I KNOW RIGHT NOW.
I GOT IT DESIGNATED TO HELP THE HUB, BUT I GOT ENOUGH.
I CAN PULL IT AWAY FROM IT IF YOU WANT ME TO.
DOESN'T MEAN WE GOT THE BILLS FOR THE HUB, BUT WE HADN'T, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T GOT ON HERE.
YOU, SIR, WE HAVEN'T GOT ALL THE BILLS IN FOR THE HUB YET.
NO, BUT THERE WAS LIKE 1.2 MILLION OR SO.
DON'T HAVE 1.2 MILLION OF THAT 4 MILLION THAT I GOT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, I KINDA THOUGHT THAT WE'D HEAR SOME FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BUT YEAH.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE WAITING ON, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A SLOW PROCESS.
YOU GET ALL THE BILLS IN, WE'VE GOT TO CLOSE EACH MONTH OF THE HUB OPERATION.
AND, UH, AND SO IT'S NOT JUST, WE'RE GOING TO GET A BILL FOR EACH MONTH, I GUESS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY FEMA, THAT'S THE WAY WE WERE ALLOWED TO GET THE MONEY FOR FEMA.
I'M A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO, UM, WHAT THE, UH, SEE, LOOKING AT YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT YOUR 2020 BUDGET WAS, WAS FOUR 60 OR 60,000, UH, W WHAT'S YOUR, UH, BASED ON YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT THIS CASH RESERVE FUND, WHAT'S YOUR MONTHLY, WHAT'S YOUR MONTHLY NUT? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE OUT EVERY MONTH? UM, OR I'M SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR REIMBURSEMENT TERM? 90 DAYS.
90 TO 120 DAYS, RIGHT? WHAT'S YOUR MONTHLY EXPENDITURE ON THE 90 DAY, A TYPICAL 90 DAY, CYNTHIA, JUST ON FOOD.
WHAT ARE WE SPENDING? YEAH, AROUND $60,000.
I MEAN, WE MADE A $10,000 PAYMENT TO CISCO LAST WEEK AND WE CAN'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE THIS WEEK UNTIL OUR AAA MONEY HITS THE ACCOUNT, WHICH WE NEVER KNOW WHAT DAY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO ABOUT 60 GRAND FOR A 90 DAY ROLLOVER.
AND, AND RIGHT, LET'S SEE, WE DID HAVE AN EMERGENCY FUNDRAISER TO TRY TO HELP BECAUSE, UM, WE HAD TO REPLACE OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF SOME MISMANAGEMENT THAT WE WERE AS A BOARD WERE NOT AWARE OF.
UM, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THREE JUDGES IN THE COUNTY THAT SIT ON THE SENIOR CONNECT BOARD.
I'M HERE, NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF, BUT JUDGE GIBBS COULD NOT BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON AND NEITHER COULD JUDGE RICH.
UM, THE THREE OF US THERE, JUDGE HEAVY ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, BOARD.
SO WE HAD TO DO, UH, BRYANT WAS CREATIVE.
WE DID AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN CISCO CAME IN AND SAID, YOU OWE US WHAT, $90,000.
SO WE HAD TO GET CREATIVE AND WE DID RAISE, WE RAISED ABOUT $60,000.
UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, WE WERE $40,000 IN THE HOLE, UH, WITH ABOUT 16,000 ON HAND.
UH, AND NOW WE COMPLETELY RESOLVE THAT.
UH, WE'RE MAKING PAYMENTS ON TIME, BUT WE ARE LITERALLY ONE MORE DISASTER AWAY FROM BEING INCAPACITATED ONE WEEK AWAY FROM IT.
AND THE COUNTY PAYS IS QUARTERLY AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING ON THE COUNTY'S MONEY TOO, AS WELL AS WAITING ON TRIPLING.
AND DID THEY HAVE A CHECK WHEN THE, WE PAY THEM NEXT? WE JUST GOT A PAYMENT FROM HER.
THERE Y'ALL ARE OUR BEST PAYERS BY FAR.
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UH, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 30, $40,000 AND A FOOD BILL AND MILK, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHECKS GO VERY QUICKLY, WOULDN'T YOU? SO THESE ARE STILL RIGHT.AND THE AAA HAS DONE THE MATH AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TOLD US GOING INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THEY WILL REIMBURSE US UP TO $1.5 MILLION.
UM, THEY KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS TO SUSTAIN THAT.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ALL PAID IN THE REAR, SO THAT DOESN'T DO US MUCH GOOD IN THE FRONT HAND.
UH, WE'VE ALSO OPENED ALL OF OUR CENTERS BACKUPS SINCE MAY.
THE THIRD, WE NOW HAVE ALL FIVE CENTERS ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL.
THEY'RE DOING BREAKFAST AND LUNCH FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN THE NUMBER, A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES I'VE SEEN THEIR CONGREGATE NUMBERS DOWN SINCE REOPENING.
WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT AT ALL.
UM, OUR NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
UM, IF NOT GETTING HIGHER BY THE DAY AT EACH ONE OF OUR CENTERS, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, YOU'VE GOT FORNEY, UM, WHO, UH, IS OUR SMALLEST IN TERMS OF SIZE, UH, SPACE, BUT IS OUR MOST POPULAR.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN ONLY OPEN TWO WEEKS NOW AND WE'RE ALREADY AT WELL ABOVE WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WE CLOSED, UH, AVERAGING ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 60 PEOPLE A DAY FOR LUNCH.
ARE WE WAITING ON LINE OUT OF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? NO, I THINK THEY CAN MAKE THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION OR DAY POINTS.
DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 41? THAT MAY, I'M SORRY.
UM, I FORGOT WE WERE, I JUST NEED TO SET SOME CADENCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO PASS AROUND TO ALL OF YOU, THESE ARE ALL THE REQUESTS SO FAR FOR THAT STAFFING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
MY MATH ISN'T EXACT WELL, I HAVE TO RUN THAT THROUGH BRANDY, BUT I DID KIND OF AN ESTIMATE OF BENEFITS, BUT IT'S ALL THE POSITIONS AND ALL THE, UH, REQUEST FROM THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE BUDGET.
BUT YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT SAYS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE SET AS OF TODAY, AS OF TODAY, OUR TOTAL PROJECTED REVENUE FOR GENERAL FUND ONLY IS SET IN RIGHT ABOUT 55 MILLION.
OUR TOTAL REQUEST ARE SET IN ROUGHLY 57 MILLION.
SO WE'RE ABOUT $2 MILLION UPSIDE DOWN.
2 MILLION OF THAT IS A NEW TOWER FOR THE SHERIFF.
SO TAKING, TAKING THAT OUT, WE'RE ABOUT EVEN THAT'S WHAT THAT'S COVERING IS THE CURRENT SUSTAINED PAYROLL, CORRECT BRANDING.
SO THAT COVERS OUR CURRENT SUSTAINED PAYROLL AND ALL THE OTHER OUTSIDE OF SALARY REQUESTS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET.
IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ANY, ANY CHANGES TO PAY RO MOVING FORWARD.
A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE STILL HANGING OUT THERE IS THAT IS THAT WE HAD COMMITTED FUND BALANCE FROM LAST YEAR.
WE STILL HAVE SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS THERE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMMITTED.
I THINK WE'D BE THE RIGHT WORD.
SO WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE ON DOES ANY OF THAT ROLL FORWARD, IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT WOULD GO BACK INTO FUND BALANCE.
SO KNOW THAT SOME OF THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR REVENUES, STREAMS THAT ARE GENERATED BY FEES AND TAXES AND EVERYTHING.
I HAVE $0 IN THERE IN THAT ARENA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, IF YOU REMEMBER DARREN EVERGREEN, WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT $300,000 ROLLED OVER BRANDY, TRUED THAT UP FOR ME THIS MORNING.
SO IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
SO I CAPTURED THAT 300 THAT WE AGREED WE WOULD, WE WOULD HOLD THE USED AS A LAUNCHING PAD IF YOU WILL, FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'VE GOT BUDGET WORKSHOPS SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW.
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AND FOR THURSDAY, I ASKED TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING, KIND OF DIG INTO THESE, LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST US GO THROUGH THEM DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND START CHISELING OUR WAY THROUGH TO GET WHERE WE WANT TO BE ON THE, ON THOSE OTHER THINGS AT THE TOP.AND THEN THOSE NUMBERS YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS ONE PROJECTED NUMBERS YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE PRICE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PROJECTED NUMBERS BASED UPON BASED UPON WHAT TO HOPEFULLY, BASED UPON WHAT I GOT FROM THE TAX OFFICE, I'VE USED THAT I'VE USED THAT CALCULATION AND I'VE TAKEN JUST KIND OF WORKING, WORKING THE NUMBERS THROUGH THERE.
SO THERE'S THERE'S IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE ON REVENUE, WE SHIFTED IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE MOVED SOME OF THE TAX RATE, UM, OUT OF, OUT OF ILMENAU AND INTO RODEN BRIDGE.
YOU KNOW, WE SHIFTED THE PERCENTAGES A LITTLE BIT.
SO AS LONG AS YOUR TOTAL, ONLY AS YOUR TOTAL NUMBER, DOESN'T GO OVER YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BENCHMARKS OR YOUR, YOUR GUIDELINES THERE.
THERE'S ALWAYS MOVED TO MOVE WITHIN THE CENTER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INS INS AS A LOCKED IN NUMBER.
SO INS IS WHAT I N S IS SO WELL MORE TO COME ON THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO START GOING THROUGH THESE DEPARTMENTS GOING THIS LIST FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REQUESTS WERE AT $2.4 MILLION IN REQUESTS IN POSITIONS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S UNFUNDED AT THIS POINT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME, SOME DECISIONS FROM THE COURT ON WHERE WE MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THE UNDERSTAND THEM, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THAT'S JUST SHIFTING MONEY.
ON PAGE 59 OF YOUR ADOPTED BUDGET, IT DOES SHOW THAT THAT 30 MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATE JUDGES WOULD BE MOVED.
SO DOES THIS BOTTOM LINE REFLECT THAT THEN THIS MATH IS STRICTLY WAGES BECAUSE WAGES, THERE, THERE ARE BENEFITS AND LONGEVITY AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY ANY SALARY.
SO NO, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT POSTED BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATED TO FISHING.
I NEED TO DIVE INTO THE BUDGET.
THAT'S SET IN, IN, IN OUR, UM, IN OUR CHARITIES IN POOR IS WHERE THAT WAS FUNDED BEFORE I JUST NEEDED TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE MAPPING AND MAKE SURE THAT ADAM GOT PICKED UP AND IT'S IN THE NEW BUDGET.
IT'D BE PART OF THAT 57 BILLION EXPENSE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO IDEALLY IT WOULD BE A WASH.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN OF COURSE, THE END OF THE ROAD IN EMPLOYEES WOULD COME OUT OF ROAD AND BRIDGE AND NOT THE GENERAL FUND SIDE TOO.
THEY WOULD BE FUNDED THIS GONNA INCREASE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD DECREASE NOT THIS TOTAL LIABILITY, BUT THE GENERAL FUND LIABILITY WOULD BE INCREASED.
BUT ALL POSITIONS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COURT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WOULD UP TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT WOULD FREEZE UP A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FOR SOMEBODY, RIGHT.
DON'T JUDGE THE FIRST, FIRST TIME STRIKING.
WAS THAT THE JUDGES? THE JUDGE.
UH, I DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN MY DEPARTMENT ON HERE.
THAT'S AN EASY ONE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK HE WAS GOING TO DO WITH IT.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU JUDGE RICH LEE? IS HE STANDING THERE? RICHMOND? YEAH.
HE TOLD YOU TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
NAH, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT HE MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO US.
IT'S PART OF THE NECK, EVEN WHEN THEY GOT HERE A LITTLE BIT, LIKE, YEAH.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.RIGHT? WE HAVE A SECOND ALL IN PAPER.