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THE SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE COFFIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER.
TODAY IS MONDAY, JULY 26TH, 1:00 PM, OR IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE ANNEX.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER BARBARA IS NOT HERE.
THE SPEAKER'S GOING UP IN THE OTHER ROOM AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE RUDE.
APPRECIATE YOU THINK THAT THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN US GOING UPSTAIRS IN THE OTHER ROOM? WHAT KIND OF FUN THEN MEETING? ALL RIGHT.
I JUST HAVE TO LISTEN TO US AND BE ALL RIGHT.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE LID OFF WATER.
SO THE MEETING HAS BEEN CALLED ORDER.
[1. To Discuss the Fiscal Year 2021-2022 Budget.]
HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FIRST DISCUSS THE FISCAL 2122 BUDGET.AND, UH, LATER WE'LL GET TO ITEM TWO.
WE'VE I'VE ALREADY DONE MY LITTLE INTRO A FEW TIMES AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD TO THAT.
SO, UM, YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN SCRAMBLING AROUND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF RESPONSES YOU'VE GOTTEN.
YOU KNOW, WE SENT IT, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY AND ASK THEM, UH, TO SCRUB THEIR BUDGET.
AND THEN I CAME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT, SEAN, 9% ON MY NON PERSONNEL ITEMS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS OR NOT, BUT I DID THAT TODAY THIS MORNING.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
UM, SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOTAL OF THAT'S ABOUT $200,000.
SO FAR LARGEST CHUNK OF THAT CAME FROM THE SHERIFF.
SO I MADE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO HIS BUDGET AND THE ONLY, JUST, IT'S JUST LITTLE BITS HERE AND THERE.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I DIDN'T SEE ANY ACTIVITY.
SO THERE MAY STILL BE MORE TO COME ON THAT, UM, BRANDY'S BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON, ON TRYING TO GET US SOME, SOME PAYROLL NUMBERS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF OUR LAST MEETING WAS.
AND SO WE TOOK, WE TOOK THE REQUEST SHEET THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AND WE MADE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS BASED UPON WHAT THE COURT SAID ON OUR LAST MEETING.
UH, THE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE GIVEN A NOD TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND PUT IN THERE WERE ALL MOVED TO JANUARY START DATES.
AND BRANDY'S RON, ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN BRANDY.
THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE CURRENT PAYROLL SITS.
UH, WE DID NOT, UH, ADD IN A 1% ACROSS THE BOARD INTO THIS, INTO THIS MATH, BUT YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE, OF THE VERY BACK PAGES, WHAT 1% REPRESENTS AND ALL THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDS OF HOW WE, HOW WE CALCULATE PAYROLL.
UM, I SEE THAT THE CONSTABLES ARE HERE.
SO REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG QUESTION FOR ME TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE THE CONSTABLES MATH IN MY CURRENT OPENGOV.
SO WE NEED TO GET A DECISION FROM THE COURT AND HAVE, HAVE, I GUESS, CONSTABLE OF WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT WHAT STAYS IN, WHAT MAY NOT STAY IN.
SO I JUST NEED TO GET CLARITY THERE IF THAT HAPPENS.
AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL TRUE UP SOME OF THE MATH HERE, ASK A QUESTION.
SO WITHOUT DIGGING THROUGH THIS AND I JUST GOT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NET IMPACT OF THAT 2.0 ON THAT $2.4 MILLION REQUEST FROM WHAT WE DID THE OTHER DAY, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH THAT, THAT WAS REDUCED? $267,000 THERE, BUT WHEN IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T REDUCE, IT WENT UP.
SO WHEN WE ADDED THESE POSITIONS, THIS ADDED, IT TOOK OUR BUDGET UP.
SO THESE, THESE ARE NOT IN OPENGOV YET.
WE HAVE OUR BUDGET REQUESTS WERE $2.4 MILLION.
OUR BUDGET REQUESTS, THE BUDGET REQUESTS FOR PERSONNEL WERE $2.4 MILLION.
AND SO IF WE, IF WE MOVE THOSE POSITIONS TO JANUARY, INSTEAD OF OCTOBER ONE, THAT NUMBER WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN, I WOULD THINK.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE DID THE MATH THOUGH.
SHE JUST DID TOTAL TOTAL ADJUSTMENTS.
AND WHAT THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE MAKING THOSE TOTAL ADJUSTMENTS, RIGHT? SO THE 2.4 MILLION IS NOW WHAT, 2.4 MILLION I'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT KIND OF MATH ON THAT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WHAT THE DIFFERENT GAP IS.
I'M FOCUSED ON, ON CLOSING MY GAP IN OPENGOV TO WHAT I'M UPSIDE DOWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON.
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RIGHT NOW, MY TOTAL GAP IS 500 AND GOING TO BE 500 PLUS WILL BE $780,000 OF A GAP THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COVER AS, WITHOUT THE 1% ALL IN RIGHT NOW, AM I 780? AND THAT'S, THAT'S PREDICATED ON THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE TENTATIVELY SAID YES TO.THAT'S THOSE POSITIONS THAT DOES, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE SHERIFF ADJUSTMENT SO THAT SHERIFF ADJUSTMENTS THERE, BUT AGAIN, THAT STUFF'S NOT IN OPENGOV, SO I'LL HAVE TO GO INTO OPENGOV AND MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE TAKEN OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION, THE 2.1 MILLION FOR THE, FOR THE TOWER.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IN THIS $780,000.
I DON'T THINK HE, THEN WE, UH, NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE, UP IN THERE IN IT, ONCE I TAKE OUT, LET ME, LET ME JUST GET TO MY SCREEN.
I THINK IT'D BE A LOT EASIER IF I JUST, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF DECLINED THE 1%.
UH, AND I SAW THAT AND PERHAPS I'M WRONG.
I SAW THAT OUR, I THOUGHT OUR INTENT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SHERIFF'S REQUEST FOR 3%.
IS THAT CORRECT FOR ROUGHLY, FOR THE DEPUTIES, BUT, BUT DID I READ THIS WRONG? IT SEEMS LIKE THE 3% WAS ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS BASED ON PATROL.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A $50,000 BASE FOR THE DEPUTIES I THOUGHT, IS THAT WRONG? THAT HE'S GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST THAT THEY, YOU SAID 3%, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE WAY THE NUMBERS WORKED OUT.
I'M GOING TO, SO, SO THE INTENT OF THE SHERIFF'S REQUEST IS TO EACH, TO PUT ALL OF THE DEPUTIES AT 50, NOT IN THE JAIL, BUT ALL OF THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DEPUTIES AT $50,000 BASE PAY, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
SO IT'S NOT REACHED TO ALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE MATH SAID, BUT MAYBE THE MATH, THE MATH THAT I SEE IS A, ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE OF A SAME PERCENT OF WHAT I THOUGHT I COULD BE ALL THE WAY UP.
THAT'S THE MATH THAT I SAW WHEN HE ORIGINALLY ASKED US TO PROPOSE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS HE WAS GOING TO PUT THE BASE LEVEL OF 50,000.
BUT WHEN HE DOES THAT, HE HAS TO BUMP THE OTHER OFFICERS UP BY THAT SAME PERCENTAGE TO DO THAT SCALE ONE DISPATCHES FOR THE SHERIFFS OUT OF TROUBLE UP.
WHY IS THAT? ISN'T THE BASE? WHAT, WHAT IS THE RETENTION ISSUE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I FELT THAT WE WERE DOING BASE LEVEL THREE.
I DON'T THINK OUR INTENT, I DIDN'T THINK OUR INTENT WAS TO GRANT A 3% OR WHATEVER.
THE RESULTING PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE BOARD.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING, THAT WE IN THIS, THIS COMES FROM THE LAST YEAR'S DISCUSSION IS THAT HE NEEDS 50.
IF HE'S, IF THEY, IF HE'S TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND THEY SEE THAT $50,000 THAT SORT OF THROWS A SWITCH WITH THEM.
I THINK IT WAS 300 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO YOU'VE OPENED IT UP AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE WAY YOU READ IT AGAIN, IS THAT HE JUST ADJUSTING THE SPREAD IN BETWEEN THE POSITIONS OR THE TENURE.
WELL, I THOUGHT I READ IT THAT BASICALLY IT WAS A 3% RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHICH, WHICH MOVED THE BOTTOM TIER UP TO THE 50 K.
BUT IT, IT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK EVERYONE ELSE UP TO KEEP THE SPREAD THE SAME, BUT I THOUGHT THE INTENT WAS THAT FOR BASE LEVEL SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, WE WERE, WE WERE AT GOING TO MAKE THAT SALARY ADJUSTMENT AT 50 TO THE 50 K OR WHATEVER IT IS, 51, WHAT IS IT WITH HIM? AND IT WAS FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT.
I CAN AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE, IN THE COUNTIES RIGHT NOW PREDICATED ON A 1%.
YES, IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR SHERIFF.
DEPUTIES IS WHAT HIS INTENT IS, IS NOT FOR DETENTION.
UH, I THINK HE'S INTENDED, THEY'LL GET THE 1% OR WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE AS FAR AS THAT GOES ON THAT, BUT IT IT'S THE INTENT TO RAISE THE, STARTING PAY UP TO 50,000 FOR THAT.
AND THEREFORE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO IS AN OFFICER, IT WILL RAISE HER BASE, PAY UP TO THAT.
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WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT YET.UH, WELL, I THINK THERE'S NOT A BETTER TIME TO DO IT NOW, I GUESS, UNLESS WE WANT TO WAIT TILL THE, IS A SHERIFF CAN BE HERE TOMORROW.
NO, HE'S OUT OF TOWN SOME SCHOOL THEN.
UM, THEN I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE TO JUST TALK ABOUT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE, SURE.
THAT I'M MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
I I'M, I'M ALL IN ABOUT MAKING THE ENTRY BASE PAY FOR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES 50,000 FLAT.
BUT I DID NOT SEE THE NEED TO MAKE THAT.
WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS TO BE FOR DISCUSSION SAKE 3%.
I DID NOT SEE THE NEED FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO ELEVATE 3% AS WELL.
I CONSIDER THIS A SPECIAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE WERE MAKING AND MAYBE THIS, I JUST DIDN'T HEAR IT RIGHT.
WAS FOR BRINGING THE DEPUTIES ON.
AND THEN I WOULD SAY THE OTHER EMPLOYEES, MAYBE THE ANSWER WOULD BE THAT ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD BE JUST SUBJECT TO THE SAME PERCENTAGE RAISE AT THE REST OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT.
GO DOWN THE TABLE AND ASK IF THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, INSTRUCTION TO GIVE JERRY, TO PLUG IN OR GIVE, GIVE BRANDY TO POINT, FEELS LIKE HE CAN MAKE INDEPENDENT WITH A BITE SALARY.
DO YOU WANT TO, UH, DO YOU WANT US TO ASSIGN BRANDY THAT TASK OF ESTABLISHING? THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING? YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE SHERIFF HAS DECIDED, BUT I FIND KIDS SAYING, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF PICK A THOUSAND TO TRY TO HIRE FOLKS AND BRING THEM IN
CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S 30 PEOPLE.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? NOT JUST THE, IN THE SHEER 61 TOTAL.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, AND THAT DISPATCH AND EVERYBODY CUT THE DISPATCH AND ALL THEM OUT ONE-ON-ONE YEAH, 101.
SO 30 PEOPLE WENT TO THE, THEN THAT'S A COUPLE OF BACONS TO, TO THE, TO THE 50 50.
SO, UH, 70% IS GETTING A 3% RAISE WHERE, RIGHT.
SO, UH, SO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS, DO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO INSTRUCT BRANDY TO PLUG THOSE NUMBERS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS THE BASE BRINGING THE BASE PAY OF A HIGHER DEPUTY IN THIS LITTLE AREA IS CLEAR.
WHAT DO YOU WANT HER TO DO? WE WANT HER TO, AND SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THIS IS WRONG, WE WANT HER TO MAKE, TO SET THE BASE PAY FOR DEPUTIES OR ANY BELOW 50 50, IF THEY'RE BELOW 50 TO MAKE THEM FIT THE ONE ON ONE THEY'RE THERE NOW.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, BUT NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RAISES FOR THE REST OF THE FORCE.
I SEE THE ONE ON ONE DOWN HERE, THE REST OF THEM STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME PERCENTAGE RAISE.
WELL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
UM, SO THAT SHOULD CHANGE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
THE DEFICIT 70%, I MEAN, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM, WELL, I THINK I, I JUST, SO WE CAN BE CLEAR ON HOW ALL THIS MATH IS WORKING, WHY I'M NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU A GREAT ANSWER.
I'M USUALLY PRETTY GOOD AT GIVING YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER.
THE WAY, THE WAY OPENGOV WORKS IS THE PAYROLL SIDE OF OPENGOV.
WE HAVE TO FEED IT THROUGH A SPREADSHEET, RIGHT.
WHICH IS TRYING TO STOP FROM HAVING TO JUST UPLOAD OPENGOV AND THEN GO BACK AND REDO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
AFTER TALKING WITH BRANDY AND KAREN, WE THINK IT'S BEST THAT WE COME TO WHAT YOU WANT, LET US PUT IT ON A SPREADSHEET.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DOLLAR IS.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET THAT DIRECTION CLEAR, WE'LL LOAD IT INTO OPENGOV AND YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT GAP IS.
AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOUR GAP IN OPENGOV, YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN IS 2.381 MILLION.
IF I TAKE OUT THE TOWER THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU AT ABOUT $270,000 GAP, I ADD IN THESE CHANGES THAT SHE MADE TODAY, BUT ANOTHER 500,000 OR SO 600,000, I'M BACK TO ABOUT AN $800,000 GAP, WHICH CHANGES ARE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE CHANGES THAT INCLUDED THE NEW POSITION, STARTING IN JANUARY.
THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THIS SHEET THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL AS ALL OF THAT, THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE SHERIFF.
SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, WE'LL MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT'LL BRING THIS NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO GIVE A ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE OF ONE.
IF SO THAT MATH IS ON THE BACK PAGE HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT 1% IS ROUGHLY $384,000.
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BRANDY? YES.SO THE ROUGHLY $384,000 FOR A 1%.
SO AGAIN, I'M STILL SQUEEZING NUMBERS ALL ACROSS HERE, BUT ALL THAT ROUGH MATH AND I'M TALKING HIGH LEVEL WITH, I'VE GOT ABOUT A $900,000 DELTA THAT WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
AND THAT $900,000 TO GIVE THAT RAISE.
WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SOURCES TO COVER THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BACK WHERE WE GO TO IS WHICH SOURCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GAP.
SO WOULD THAT DELTA'S $200,000 OF THAT.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A DELTA AND WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, WHAT, WHAT REVENUE SOURCE YOU'RE MOST DEFINITELY MOST DEFINITELY.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU 1%, 400 AND I'M AT TWO.
SO FOUR AND TWO IS SIX PLUS THE TWO THAT SHE JUST I'M ALREADY, I'M ALREADY THERE.
SO WE'LL NEED TO KEEP LOOKING AT, ARE THERE ANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE BUDGET? WHAT WE RECEIVED BACK SO FAR? WELL, NOT A LOT, SO, OH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT THE 1% RAISED FOR EXISTING STAFF IS, IS AN IMPORTANT STEP.
WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THESE POSITIONS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM THIS YEAR.
BRANDON, DO YOU HAVE A SPREADSHEET? THE SPREADSHEET? DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SPREADSHEET VERSUS THE ONE YOU JUST DID OR NOT? I HEAR YOU HAVE, IS THAT THE TOTAL? CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE SO WE CAN LOOK, WE'LL GET YOU DON'T BET ON THE, YEAH.
THIS ONE WAS 37 MILLION, 5 78.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY A MILLION AND THEN I PICKED UP SOME EFFICIENCIES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SO I'M BACK TO KIND OF THAT SAME $900,000 NUMBER.
SO THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR, OUR VARIANCE IS GOING TO BE AS OF, AS OF RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER FOR ALL THE NEW POSITIONS? IT'S ABOUT, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT A MILLION FOR EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S ONE AVENUE TAKES CARE OF THAT.
THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION IS ABOUT WASN'T QUITE HALF IS JANUARY'S NOT QUITE HALF OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION.
WE TOOK SOME POSITIONS OUT COMPLETELY AS WELL, BECAUSE IT WAS 2.4 AND WE CUT IT DOWN TO ABOUT A MILLION.
AND YOU TOOK, AND YOU TOOK OUT TWO OR THREE OF THESE THAT WE DIDN'T PUT IN THERE AT ALL.
SO, UM, THANK YOU, MIKE, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
WE'RE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION WITH THIS QUESTION, BUT, UH, DO THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO, TO FORCE INTO THESE NUMBERS A 1% RATE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR DECISION, WE NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A NEW NUMBER TO KNOW WHAT OUR GAP IS.
IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL SAY.
SO, BUT THAT'S NOT IN OUR NUMBER.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TELL JERRY, DID YOU JUST PUT IT IN THERE? LIKE IT'S AN OBLIGATION ALREADY.
WE HAVE THE MATH, WE KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR IS DOLLARS.
I MEAN, I DON'T GUESS I REALLY DO NEED TO PLUG IT INTO OPENGOV TO, TO GET A, A TRUE ROLL UP THROUGH, TO A NUMBER.
SO THEN THE QUESTION THAT KEN'S BRINGING UP IS, UH, WHAT DO WE, SO WHAT LET'S TALK ABOUT, WHAT ARE POSSIBLE SOURCES OF WAYS TO COVER THE GAP AND I'M JUST ALWAYS OUT THERE AND YOU ALL HELP ME REMEMBER.
ONE OF THEM IS WE HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER.
WE HAVE MONEY THAT WAS CARES, MONEY THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO SPEND.
UM, WE HAVE, HOLD ON A SECOND POT OF FUNDS.
WELL, I THINK THE, ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ARE FUND BALANCE.
SO THEN WE HAD THAT COMMITTED FUND BALANCE THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WERE FREE TO DRAW FROM IF THEY WANT TO.
BUT NEITHER ONE OF THOSE IS A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF MONEY, MEANING WE CAN DO IT.
I SORT OF FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE KIND OF DID THAT LAST YEAR AND, UH, THAT KIND OF MADE US IN A LITTLE MORE OF A PICKLE ISSUE, BUT SO THOSE ARE TWO SOURCES OF MONEY THAT WE COULD, WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW TO PLUG THAT GAP.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, OR IF YOU CAN'T, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA, WE'VE GOT TO KNOW KAREN, KAREN'S TRYING TO GUESSTIMATE.
WHAT DO WE THINK OUR FUND BALANCE IS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR? I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR NUMBER? WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IS OUR FUND BALANCE GUESSTIMATED OR THE ADD TO THE
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SO THAT THERE YOU GO.PRETTY GOOD GAS, NO SENSE ON THERE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT, IS THAT TAKEN OUT THE 2 MILLION? OKAY.
NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IN THIS BUDGET IS 900 ADD TO FUND BALANCE.
SO THAT'S ONE SOURCE OF FUNDS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S OKAY, BUT IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ENCOUNTERING RAISES.
AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION, I GUESS, WOULD BE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ADDED POSITIONS.
WHAT DO YOU SAY? WELL, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO ADJUST, CONSIDER MOVING OFF THE 5%.
WELL, JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT, JUST 3% IS A 300,000.
IF, IF, IF 9 49, IF 9 47 IS, IS OUR TOTAL FUND BALANCE, THAT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE 2 MILLION ASK FROM THE SHERIFF, WE'RE ADDING TO FUND BALANCE.
SO MORE REVENUES THAN EXPENDITURES BY 947,000 FOR THE TOTAL YEAR.
I HADN'T TOLD YOU THE OTHER SURPRISE AND I'M KEEPING IT A SECRET SINCE YOU'RE BEING SMARTER, NOT TO BE A SMARTY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE RIGHT MATCH WITH OUR ADJUSTED FUND BALANCE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOAN, ALMOST LIKE 1,000,005.
11, 11, 5, WHICH IS A PRETTY ROBUST NUMBER.
SO, SO THAT, SO YOU GOT THOSE FOUR CHOICES, CARES MONEY ON BALANCE, UH, THREE CHOICES, HOW MUCH BENCHMARK AND WE CAN MAKE THE, WE HAVE LEFT CARES MONEY ACTUALLY.
I MEAN, I'M KIND OF THINKING WE CAN, IF WE, IF, IF WE DO CARE MONEY AND WE MOVED THAT TO FUND BALANCE, THEN NEXT YEAR, OUR FUND MOUNTAINS IS EVEN GREATER THAN WHAT IT WAS JUST LIKE THIS YEAR.
IT'S EVEN GREATER, EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T PUT US, IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT US IN A PINCH.
WE ACTUALLY GAINED MONEY ON OUR FUND BALANCE.
YOU NEED TO BE THINKING OF IS NOT CARE AS MANY ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S OUR MONEY.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO STILL COME BACK TO NEW REVENUE AND COME BACK TO THE SAME DEAL.
IF THE ECONOMY KEEPS GOING IN THERE, EVERYBODY SAYS THE ECONOMY IS BACK GOING UP AGAIN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOWER THE INTEREST RATE AGAIN BECAUSE THE TEXAS ECONOMY DIDN'T SEEM TO DIE.
AND SURE HASN'T DIED MAN OF THE WORLD.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE'S, BUT I KNOW THAT.
AND MAN, THEY, UH, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE SAME KIND OF LIKE AN INTIMATE SPACE.
MAYBE THAT THE FUND BALANCE IS GOING TO GROW AGAIN NEXT YEAR IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP ADDING TO IT BECAUSE WE'RE AT A HEART LEVEL, CORRECT? YES.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP ADDING TO IT.
BUT IF WE DID ACCIDENTALLY ADD TO IT THIS YEAR, THEN WE'RE IN A GREATER POSITION NEXT YEAR TO USE THE FUND BALANCE.
SO IF WE USED IT NEXT YEAR, WE'D BE BETTER OFF AND USE THE CARES MONEY THIS YEAR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU WHEN I'M DONE? WELL, JUST LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS AS OF JUNE YESTERDAY, RIGHT? FRIDAY, WE BUDGETED 42 MILLION FOR DIS, TEXAS AND THE GENERAL FUND.
AND WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED 42 9.
SO WE'RE LIKE ALMOST 3% OVER IN COLLECTIONS.
UM, TOTAL REVENUES WE'RE SITTING AT, WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 57, 5 39, AND WE'RE SITTING AT 53, 6 0 5.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE GOOD WITH, WE'VE DONE REALLY GOOD JOB.
AND WE HAVEN'T SPENT THAT 2,000,006 THAT WE COMMITTED TO FIND.
NO, UM, I JUST, I THINK I WOULD READ, I WOULD READ THE TAP THAT MONEY THAT NOT TECHNICALLY CARES MONEY, BUT MONEY THAT WE CALL THAT I'D RATHER TAP THAT MONEY, THEN GO TO THE WELL ON TAXPAYERS CAN GO ABOVE THAT BENCHMARK.
SO LOOK, CAN WE JUST, HA LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BENCHMARK, CAUSE I'M NOT A, UM, I'M NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR ABOUT THIS ISN'T ENDEARING.
UH, I KNOW WE KIND OF HAD THIS DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT.
ISN'T THE, ISN'T WHAT WE SAID, UH, AS A BASE FOR, FOR NEW REVENUE.
DOESN'T THAT IMPACT US IN THE OUT YEARS AS WELL.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHATEVER, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE WAY
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THE SPREADSHEET WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE SPREADSHEET TOMORROW.BUT WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THAT TAX SPREADSHEET FROM THE TAX OFFICE, IT'S BASED UPON WHATEVER YOU TAXED THEM LAST YEAR, THAT, SO IF YOU TAX THEM 42 MILLION LAST YEAR, THEN IT'S YOUR CAPS AND ALL YOUR MATH IS THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR LAUNCH, IF YOU WILL, OR THAT'S YOUR BASE AND THAT ROLLS.
AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE SAME, RIGHT? WHATEVER YOU TAX THIS YEAR, THEN NEXT YEAR IT WOULD BE THE SAME MATH, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE CAN'T LOWER THAT LOWER WHAT THE $42 MILLION BANKS, AGAIN, KNOWING THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY IS IN THE NEW INCOME, THE NEW INCOME, NEW INCOME, AND THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THE, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE CALCULATION FOR TAX RATE TILL NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE NO NEW REVENUE, YOU HAVE VOTER APPROVAL REVENUE IN THERE.
AND YOUR TOTAL RATE FROM THE TAX OFFICE OF WHAT THOSE RATES ARE BASED UPON WHATEVER THE CURRENT CERTIFIED VALUE IS.
RIGHT? SO T TYPICALLY TAXES FALL IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS TYPICALLY SPEAKING.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT, UH, WHAT I SAID WAS I WOULD RATHER DRAW MY FIRST, MY FIRST RESPONSE WOULD BE TO DRAW ON THAT MONEY THAT WE GOT BACK FROM CATERERS AND STATE WITH OUR 5% INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE, UM, LIVE WITHIN THAT 5%.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL GO WITH THIS WAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER TO STAY WITHIN THE 5% REVENUE GROWTH I WENT TO IS, IS, UH, I MEAN, TRUTH IS YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO FUND WHATEVER YOU GROW, YOU KNOW, IF SO, IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW REVENUE 5%, DOES THAT COVER? IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GROWING BEYOND 5%, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE NEW POSITIONS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ONLY GROW 5%, BUT YOU GREW UP, BUT YOU SPEND 6%, THEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE RED, RIGHT.
WELL, YOU'RE IN THE RED KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT, BUT, BUT YEAH, SO, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THE, REALLY THE, THE TWO CHOICES THAT WE HAVE.
DO WE WANT TO DRAW ON THE MONEY THAT THE FUND BALANCE OR, OR, AND, UH, WERE THE CARERS MONEY? I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THAT MONEY THAT'S THAT WE HAVE NOW AND HOLD TO THE 5% OR DO YOU WANT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? BUT WE HAVE TO, I THINK THE, I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD CLARIFY THIS AS ARE WE COMMITTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE SHERIFF'S TOWER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM EVERYTHING THE SHERIFF HAS SAID, THAT'S A, THAT'S A MUST NEED, ARE WE COMMITTED TO BUILDING? WHAT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE FOR OUR PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT JUST OUR PEOPLE, CAUSE I'M SURE THE TERROR WILL BE USED FOR THE CONSTABLES OFFICES AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE.
THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, MORE MONEY ON THE TOWER AND JUST PAY IT OUT AND NOT USE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR.
THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT TO SUPPORT THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, UH, YOU GOT A 20 YEAR ASSET AND, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, IS IT MAKES SENSE TO PAY FOR A 20 YEAR ASSET IN ONE YEAR OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PAY IT OVER THE LIFE OF THAT? WELL, OUR PAID FOUR AND A HALF AT THAT TIME, I MEAN, WE, WE JUDGE THAT, WE CAN PUT IT IN THE SYNCOPAL, WHATEVER WE WANT TO THE PAY ON THAT.
WE CAN DO THAT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO HEAD TO ME.
CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
I QUESTIONED WHETHER WE NEED TO SPEND THIS ENTIRE AMOUNT, BUT IF WE DO THAT, BUT IF WE DO THAT, WHAT THE END RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, IF WE DON'T TAKE THAT $2 MILLION OUT OF OUR GROWING FUND BALANCE, THEN OUR FUND BALANCE IS GOING TO GO HIGHER.
AND I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT WE DON'T NEED A BIGGER FUND BALANCE YOU'RE SPENDING ON ROADS.
BUT IT, IT, IT, IT HELPS OUT THE NEW POSITIONS.
WELL, WE'RE NOT, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT $2 MILLION OUT OF OUR NOT COMING OUT OF THAT 5% REVENUE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING $2 MILLION OUT OF OUR 5% REVENUE GROWTH.
WE DON'T HAVE IT IN YOUR 5% REVENUE GROWTH, NOBODY.
IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THAT MONEY'S, AREN'T COMING OUT OF THAT.
SO IT'S COMING OUT OF OUR CURRENT.
BUT, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THEN IT DEPLETES THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED
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TO COVER A 5% GROWTH SHORTFALL.I, I JUST TRY TO SAY, I JUST TRY TO LOOK AT IT.
SOME OF ALL THE PARTS, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW I HAVE MORE INEXPENSIVE THAN I HAVE IN REVENUE.
AND WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA CLOSE THAT GAP.
HOWEVER, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THAT.
WE CAN MOVE IT FROM EXISTING MONEY THAT WE HAVE.
YOU CAN, OR WE CAN TAKE IT OUT OF TAXPAYERS NEXT YEAR.
I'M NOT SPENDING THIS HEADSET.
THEY, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT A WISE OLD GUY WOULD ALWAYS SAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU, IF YOU DO BOUND THE TOWER WITH THE CASH, AND THEN IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE GATE.
YOU HAVE A, CAN YOU IMAGINE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, I MEAN, OUR THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF FUND BALANCE.
YOU SEE, WE GOT ENOUGH FUND BALANCE TO FLOAT US FOR PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL LENGTH OF TIME WITH NO RESUME MONTHS, THREE AND A HALF, THREE AND A HALF WITH NO REVENUE, BUT NO REVENUE AS A LONG TIME.
MATTER OF FACT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY SAFETY THAT'S.
CAN YOU IMAGINE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE NO REVENUE FOR THREE MONTHS? ZERO? WELL, HERE IN YOUR
I SAID ADD TO FUND BALANCE 907 47,947,000.
SO W WHY DON'T WE CONSIDER PAYING 947,000 ON THE TOWER AND FINANCING THE REST AND THEN TRY TO LIVE WITHIN 5% REVENUE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
PART OF THAT IS NOT ALL OF THAT'S FOR THE TOWER.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL PROPOSALS.
THEN WE COULD TAKE IT TO THE BANK AND TRY TO GET A, UH, WE CAN'T AND WE CAN'T SPEND, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY IN A YEAR.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO ALL HAPPEN IN A YEAR'S TIME.
DO YOU THINK, RODNEY, DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU GOING TO TAKE TACKLE, PILE TO GET THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER? YEAH.
SO THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK.
WE MIGHT NOT BE WRITING A CHECK FOR SOME OF THEM UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR, RIGHT.
OR LONGER WHO KNOWS HOW LONG YOU THINK RODNEY, HOW LONG YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD A AND HAVE IT OPERATIONAL.
HE SAID IT TAKE PROBABLY NINE MONTHS JUST TO BUILD A TOWER.
WE NEED, IF YOU GET THE LAND VAULT AND GET ACQUISITION OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND LAND, IT MIGHT TAKE SIX MONTHS OR MORE.
SO MAYBE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT MEANT TAKE THAT LOAN, THE ACQUIRE, THE LAND AND THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND.
THE ONE THING I DO KNOW AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IF THIS COURT NEEDS TO FUND SOMETHING OUT OF FUND BALANCE, THEY CAN VOTE AND DO THAT, RIGHT? YES, YOU CAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF I'M HEARING EVERYONE CORRECTLY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMELINE OF, WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO INCUR THESE COSTS, THEN LAYER IT OUT, FIND OUT, FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE WITHIN YOUR BUDGET YEAR.
AND MAYBE THIS BUDGET YEAR, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED TO FUND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR 300,000 OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
IF YOU RUN, IF YOU GET IN A BIND AND IT COMES AND IT COMES TO FRUITION, YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT SOONER.
YOU CAN CONVENE AND SAY, WE AGREE TO PAY THIS OUT OF FUND BALANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE BUDGET.
WE COULD, WE COULD SITTING HERE IN THIS DISCUSSION, WHICH WILL BE APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.
WE COULD JUST, WE COULD JUST SAY THAT WE WILL TAKE MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT TOWER.
AND THAT'S WE PUT THE MONEY THAT WE THERE'S 9 47 INTO THE FUND VALE.
THAT'S FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
AND WE DON'T PROBABLY BE COVERED.
I WOULD THINK THE ADA'S WOULD ROLL WITH THAT.
CAUSE I HEAR MORE THE ANSWERS.
I MEAN, I THINK WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL.
SO WHAT IS IT? THAT IS THE HIGHEST BED.
AND HE WAS HOPING IT WOULD COME IN LESS, BUT HE EXPLAINED TO ME IT WAS MORE THAN ONE ITEM.
CAUSE YOU GOT THE TANK, YOU GOT THE PAINT, YOU GOT THE TOWERS, THE CHEAPEST PART, THE RADIO CONTROL AND ALL THAT RADIO CONTROLS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S I VOTE OR I RECOMMEND THAT WE GO THAT WAY.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO THAT WAY.
AS SAYING, AS THE TIME COMES DUE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY NECESSITY, WE WILL RATHER THAN DEAL WITH A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT WE CAN'T GET IN TIME FOR OUR BUDGET PREPARATION.
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COMES TO FUND THAT, WE'LL TAKE IT OUT OF FUND BALANCE AND THAT'S, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT.THAT SEEMED LIKE A REALLY GREAT, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO, I MEAN, YOU WOULD JUST COMMIT TO FUNDING IT IF YOU DECIDE TO GET IT INTO THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION ABOUT SOMEBODY SAYING THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE FOR SOMETHING WITHOUT BEING PLANNED.
WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS I WOULD ZERO THAT OUT AMOUNT THEN OUT OF THAT BUDGET AND HOW WE REDUCE THIS, THIS CURRENT SPEND DOWN BY 2.1 THERE ABOUT, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME GAPS.
AND WITH THAT, WELL, THE GAP'S GOING TO BE THE SUMMER, WHATEVER YOU END UP DECIDING ON, ON THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S 200 AND SOME CHANGE NOW, BUT I'VE GOT TO ADD IN ONE RESENT.
I WILL, I GOT TO ADD IN EVERYTHING, BRANDY ADDED IT ONTO THIS SHEET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE GOT TO GO A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO A NUMBER UNTIL I RUN IT THROUGH THE MATH AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
WELL, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE JARED PUMP, YOU GAIN, RIGHT.
ONCE I, ONCE WE GO UP AND DOWN, BACK AND FORTH, I THINK WE'RE STILL ROUGHLY ABOUT, ABOUT, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR GAP.
ONCE YOU PUT THE 1% IN AND THE CHANGE TO THE PAYROLLS THAT WE'VE MADE WITH THE 1% YOU THINK WE'RE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR GAP, MAYBE, MAYBE SLIGHTLY MORE, MAYBE SLIGHTLY MORE, OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO GET THE MONEY TO INCLUDING NEW POSITION.
AND THEN SAY AGAIN HOW MUCH THE NEW POSITIONS ARE.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE THEM ALL BECAUSE WE MADE SO MANY CHANGES, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M GUESSTIMATING 900 PRETTY CLOSE.
MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED TO SCRUB THOSE POSITIONS AGAIN.
WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE.
ALL OF THEM, THAT'S A BUNCH OF COPIES OF IT.
YOU CAN HAVE THE CURLING IT, WELL, YOU HAVE YOURS FROM YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, NO, IT'S 2.4, BUT WE, WE DID THE ELIMINATING.
WE DID AND WE MADE, WE MADE SEVERAL ADJUSTMENTS.
THEN WE WENT AND THEN WE WENT TO JANUARY AND THAT, THAT SHOULD REDUCE IT DOWN.
ALMOST HAPPENED WHAT THIS IS WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND THEN YOU, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAME HERE.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M GUESSTIMATING IT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE RAW MATH BETWEEN THESE TWO SHEETS AND THAT'S THE JOB, BUT I STILL, I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED IN HERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I'M A MILLION MILLION, ONE TOE TOTAL GAP.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, SOME CELEBRITY GUESTS WITH US HERE, CONSTABLE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF JUDGES WHEN A DISTRICT CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY A AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS MULTIPLE TOWNS.
SO, UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE DOCKET OR SOMETHING THAT YOU DID? WHO'S GOT THE MOST URGENT SITUATION.
WELL THE CONSTABLE WAS HERE FIRST.
THEN THEY WERE HERE WHEN I GOT HERE.
HAPPY ALL THIS MONEY TALK WHEN Y'ALL TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS, ARE THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE REQUESTED OR IS THAT SOME SOMETHING ELSE? SO I'M CURIOUS.
WE HAVE 35 NEW WE HAVE ON THE SHEET RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S 25 OR 35, 25 OR 35 DEPARTMENTS REQUEST FOR, TO ADD A PERSON.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF OURS IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO I HAVE, I HAVE JUST SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE INVESTIGATOR, I KNOW I HAVE, I HAVE CIVIL PARALEGAL AND, AND FAMILY AND FAMILY VIOLENCE.
ALL THE OTHER ONES WERE CHANGES TO YOUR EXISTING, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NEED AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT BECAUSE IT, BRANDY EXPLAINED IT TO ME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LOADED IN UNTIL YOU GUYS APPROVE IT.
SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, LET ME COME OVER HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WHEN YOU SAID INVESTIGATOR, THERE'S NOT A NEW INVESTIGATOR.
THE INVESTIGATOR WAS JUST A CHANGE TO THE DATABASE.
THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKSHEETS.
THAT'S IN THERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, SALARY FOR THE FAMILY VIOLENCE, UH, CIVIL PARALEGAL AND ADJUSTING SALARIES.
SO REALLY THE QUESTION COMES TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD,
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AND THE REASONING THAT I DID, THAT I, I MADE IT, YOU KNOW, SOME NUMBERS FOR THAT.IF YOU WANTED TO SEE IT, I'VE GOT SPECIFIC PEOPLE AND ONLY WAY I CAN DO IT IS BY NAME.
UM, AND I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THOSE.
I PULLED, IT'S NOT ASKING FOR EVERYBODY.
WHEN I LOOKED AT DEBBIE'S BONNER'S SALARY COMPARED TO SOMEONE WITH HER LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE AND THE NEW PERSON WE BROUGHT IN, I REALIZED THEIR SALARY WAS SO SIMILAR.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO LINE ON HYMNS EMPLOYEE IDS NAMES.
IF YOU NEED THE SHEET OF PAPER I HAVE WOULD HELP YOU FOLLOW ALONG.
SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU, THAT'S JUST, WHAT WAS I HAVE THAT AS WELL? I DON'T, IT JUST SEEMS ON ME.
I KNOW THE GUY WHATEVER'S EASIER FOR THEM.
SO, UM, THE THING WITH DEBBIE, I WAS ASKING FOR 5,000, JUST BASED ON HER EXPERIENCE, HER SALARY IS A 76 0 2 9 DIDN'T WE APPROVE THAT.
LET'S SEE FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL APPROVED OR NOT, BUT IT'S IN HERE.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU JOE'S EVERYTHING.
ALL THE, ALL THE CHANGES TO PAY WERE APPROVED.
THE TWO NICHE, TWO NEW POSITIONS ARE BAKED IN TO START IN.
I STARTED IN JANUARY, THERE WERE SEVERAL PARALEGAL AND THE FAMILY BALANCE, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING YOU PUT IN HERE IS BAKED INTO THIS SHIT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU GOT OUT IN A TIZZY FOR NOTHING.
DID I SAY ANYTHING? YOU DID NOT.
IT'S NOT REALLY A VERY, IT'S A LITTLE SEXIST OF A WORD, BUT I LET THAT MY COMMISSIONER HUNT SLIDE ON THAT.
BUT DO YOU Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY ASKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REDUCE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, WHY, WHY I ASKED FOR WHAT I WANTED? I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD WERE WERE COULD BE VALIDATED.
BUT OUR PROBLEM IS WE, WE HAVE $2.4 MILLION IN REQUESTS AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO EVERYBODY'S REQUESTS ARE AS IMPORTANT AS ANYBODY ELSE'S.
I'M NOT TRYING TO JUMP ANYBODY.
I JUST THOUGHT, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR MONEY, YOU NEED TO SHOW YOUR FACE.
IS THERE, YOU KNOW, I I'D EVEN CALL KAREN.
AND, BUT SHE SAID THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL BECAUSE THE REAL PROBLEM WE GOT MUHAMMAD AND FAMILY VIOLENCE, I THINK WAS COVID.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CASES.
I MEAN, ASHLEY'S GOT 168 CASES RIGHT NOW AND A FAMILY VIOLENCE IT'S.
BUT IF WE, IF WE'RE IN THIS POSITION, SO IS DALLAS SO STANCE.
SO IT'S CALLING ALL OF THEM, BUT NO, I MEAN, WITH FAMILY VIOLENCE.
BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE WORK HOURS.
I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S JUST MINE.
I'M ALREADY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.
I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT PUBLIC IS IT? CAUSE I'M SURE A FAMILY VIOLENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.
I JUST, WE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE.
AND WE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS AND WE'VE FIGURED OUT SOME WAYS TO MAKE IT WORSE.
NOT THREE PEOPLE WE'VE OFFLOADED ALL THE MISDEMEANORS AND LET THE MISDEMEANOR, PROSECUTORS WORK THEM.
IT'S GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.
ASHLEY OVERSEES THE PROTECTIVE ORDERS AND STUDENT, EVERYONE, THE FIRST QUARTER, SHE USED TO DO EVERY PROTECTIVE ORDER.
NOW WHAT SHE DOES, IT'S OVERSEES THEM.
SHE STILL HAS TO GET THE GRANT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST APPLY FOR ANOTHER GRANT THAT SOLVE OUR PROBLEM? AND THE GRANT PEOPLE GO, NOPE.
IF YOU GOT A GRANT, YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR ANOTHER ONE UNTIL AFTER THE GRANT SIDE.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE GRANTS ARE NEVER, OR USUALLY NOT.
I MEAN, SOME OF THEM ARE SUSTAINABLE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO FLOAT THE POSITION AFTER THAT.
SO FOR US, AS YOU GUYS ALWAYS PUT THE MONEY IN, BUT AT THE END WE ALWAYS RETURN THAT ON OUR VAC, ON CHARLOTTE BRUNER'S POSITION AND WE'LL RETURN ON THE GRANT.
SO WHATEVER THAT IS IS ABOUT 130,000 PLUS WITHOUT THEIR BENEFITS.
BUT THAT GOES BACK BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE ALWAYS APPLY FOR SHIRLEY BRUNER'S GRANT THROUGH THE BACK.
AND WE ALWAYS GET THAT, THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR EVERY YEAR.
BUT WE ALWAYS PUT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, LIKE HER SALARY IN THERE, WE'D NEVER WANT TO ZERO THAT IN CASE, IN CASE THE GOVERNOR DECIDES WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT GRANT.
SO IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THIS, BUT THIS IS OUR LAST CYCLE OR THIRD YEAR.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY, THEY'RE GOING TO REIMBURSE US.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OF THAT EVEN DURING COVID.
SO THERE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS MONEY AT THE END, BUT I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSING, I HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS MAY BE OUT ON THE FRINGE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE CONSTABLE SHORTLY, BUT SO WE HAVE, UH, UH, A MUCH INCREASED, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF AND PRECINCT TWO.
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OF THAT IS FUNDED BY, UM, BY PRIVATE FUNDS.CAN YOU OPINE, IF YOU WILL, AS TO ANY, UH, UM, ANY RIPPLE EFFECT INTO YOUR OFFICE, ANY FOLLOW ON ANY, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, IS OUR, IS OUR ENHANCED LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTY DRIVING MORE WORK INTO YOUR OFFICE? YES.
YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU SAID THAT, I THINK THE OPINE IS GOOD BECAUSE I'D NEVER, WE'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONALLY TO THE CONTRACT OF THESE HOS A PROSECUTOR UNTIL YOU SAID IT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT COMMISSIONING BARBARA, BUT I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT, I'VE REALLY NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK WITHOUT A DOUBT, IF WE TRACKED, PARTICULARLY, LET'S JUST TAKE ANECDOTALLY THIS WEEKEND IN THAT NORTH QUADRANT, IN THAT PRECINCT, WE HAD TWO MURDER CASES.
I MEAN, I'M NOT PROUD OF THAT.
IT'S NOTHING I DID, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE OTHER PRECINCTS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE TAKEN AN HOUR.
I'M VERY PROUD OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSTABLE'S WORK ZERO TOLERANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE BETWEEN PASSING AND THE, AND THE JUDGES WE HAVE, WE'RE GETTING EDUCATED BY GANGS.
WE'VE HAD, UM, THE DPD CAPTAIN OR DPS CAPTAIN HERE TO EXPLAIN THE ACTIVITIES, TO GIVE THE JUDGE AS MUCH AS INFORMATION AS THEY CAN.
WE WERE AT THE JUVENILE BOARD MEETING.
THEY WERE SHOWING US OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T KNOW THE FACTS, BUT IF WE CAN PROVE UP GANG ACTIVITY THAT WILL ENHANCE THOSE PENALTIES, WE'RE MAKING BOND CONDITIONS.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO.
WE'VE BROUGHT IN THE CIVIL DEPARTMENT ON WHERE NECESSARY.
IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE LAY THEIR HEAD IS IMPORTANT THAT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, EVEN ON EVICTIONS FOR BIG CORPORATIONS, THAT BOB HOUSING AND PUT THE WRONG KIND OF PEOPLE IN THERE, KAREN I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GET BEHIND ON THIS ISSUE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT HERE AND THEY HAVE TO BE SAY, IF I JUST GO TO MY NEXT DOOR, I'M POSTING ABOUT 14 PEOPLE ARE, ARE REALLY AFRAID OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND WE HAVE TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE'RE RESPONDING.
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INFORMED THAT THOSE CASES ARE GOING TO BE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN BONDS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO REPAIR IT BACK TO COURT.
THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROSECUTE THOSE CASES.
AND IF THE EVIDENCE MEETS THE BURDEN THAT THE, THAT THE JURIES AND THE JUDGES ARE PUNISH ACCORDINGLY, AND I PROMISE YOU, IF THAT MESSAGE GETS OUT, THEY WILL MOVE BACK WEST.
WELL, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER THAT'D BE PATROLLING OR INVESTIGATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT A CLOSED BOX THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO SOMETHING.
AND, AND, UH, WE ENGAGE IN THESE SUPPLEMENTAL CONTRACTS BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE HAVE MADE A SELF DETERMINATION THAT THEY NEED MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY NEED TO BE SAFER AND MORE PROTECTED.
AND SO, UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO FOLLOW THAT PERHAPS WE OUGHT TO BE EXPLORING THAT POSSIBILITY.
IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT, UH, THAT THE CONTRACTS WOULD, UH, WOULD EXPAND TO INCLUDE PERHAPS NOT ONLY PROSECUTORS, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF IT BLEEDS OFF INTO PROBATION AND PRETRIAL AND, UH, AND ALL THE OTHER, UH, COMPONENTS THAT GO TO MAKE-UP THIS CRIMINAL JUSTICE, UH, MACHINE, I THINK AT THIS MOMENT, AND I HADN'T EVEN ASKED FOR IT CAUSE WE'RE ABSORBING, WE'RE ABSORBING IT.
WE SAW THIS IN THE NINETIES, IN DALLAS COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE IN YOUR ROTATION AND THE FEDS, BUT IN THE NINETIES, WHEN I STARTED IN THERE, YOU WERE THERE WHEN WE STARTED WHEN CRACK COCAINE.
ME, YOU MEAN THE MURDERS, THE SHOOTINGS.
AND I MEAN, IN GANG, IT TRICKLED OFF DURING THE TURN OF THE CENTURY AND WE WERE DEALING WITH OTHER THINGS, BUT IT IS BACK.
AND WE WERE DEALING WITH JUVENILES THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE.
AND JUDGE GRAY DEALS WITH THOSE AND THEIR PARENTS.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I'M OUT OF A MOVIE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW SECOND AND THIRD GENERATIONS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS WERE REALLY OLD TREES.
THEY'RE DADS OR CRIPS, AND NOW WE'RE ROLLING AND THE KIDS ARE LOOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH CRIBS AND THEY'RE 14 AND THEY SHOOT PEOPLE, INDISCRIMINATELY 16, LIKE A VIDEO GAME.
AND SO NOW WE'RE AT THIRD GENERATION AND WE NEVER HAD THAT.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'M VERY PROUD AS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF HOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONDESCENDING THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CONSTABLES, THEY ARE STANDING UP RESPONDING, BUT AS WE MOVE THROUGH AND LOOK AT THESE
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CONTRACTS, I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A BRILLIANT POINT THAT WE WILL SAY, AND WE CAN PULL THE STATS WHERE, I MEAN, WE MIGHT NEED A GANG PROSECUTOR.I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T WE ATTACH THAT AND HAVE THEM PAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T WE, I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE EXPLORED.
AND I, AND I, I MEAN, YOU JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
JUST HAS SOMEBODY PATROLLING IT.
IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE CASES COME RIGHT TO, TO HERE.
I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH JUDGE ARLENE, UH, COMMISSIONER KITES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH RAIN LYNN WITH THE DEVELOPERS, BECAUSE ALL THE CASES, NOT JUST BY US, BUT ALSO BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHAT THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE MAKING OUT THERE.
WE KNOW IT'S ADDING AN EXTRA LOAD AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THEM ON POSSIBLY HELPING AT THE PROSECUTOR, HELPING DO WHATEVER.
AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE WITH HOW WE NEED TO HANDLE THIS FROM THE FUTURE ON, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE HAVE GROWTH, WE HAVE CRIME AND THEN IT'S COME IN TWO FOLD RIGHT NOW.
AND SO OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO CATCH UP AND GET BACK OVER IT.
THE, UH, THE PREMISE, THE PREMISE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UH, I THINK WE WOULD BE ON FIRM GROUND AS A CONDITION OF, YOU KNOW, ALL CONTRACTS OR AT LEAST TWO PARTY DOCUMENTS AS WE OUGHT TO BE ON FROM GROUND TO, UH, WHILE THE, WHILE THE, UH, THE HOA IS HAVE AN EXPECTATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT, THAT A FULL PACKAGE B BE BROUGHT INTO PLAY.
SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME BACK AND RENEW.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE HOSPITAL AND MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THEM WHEN Y'ALL HAVE CONTRACTS, THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THE THOUGHT.
I MEAN, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND MOVED FORWARD UP TO THIS POINT, THEY ARE JUST OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS THAT THEY'RE GETTING, BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE TAKING AWAY A LOT OF THE STRESS AND THE CALLS THAT DO NOT NEED TO BURN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND LEAVE THEM UP FOR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, WE'RE GETTING SOMEBODY ALREADY THAT'S OVER THERE THAT CAN ACT IN AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, OR IT'S OUT OF OUR REALM, WE CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
AND THEY KEEP ON COMING TO US.
THIS IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
AND I, YOU KNOW, OUR PREMISE ALL ALONG WAS THAT THESE CONTRACTS WOULD BE BASICALLY REVENUE NEUTRAL TO THE COUNTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS JUST A NATURAL PROGRESSION THAT THE MORE POLICE WORK THAT GOES ON, THE MORE PROSECUTORIAL WORK IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
AND THAT THEN BEGINS TO IMPACT THE REVENUE NEUTRALITY OF THE WHOLE CONCEPT.
YOU GUYS, NAMELY? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
ARE YOU STILL GOING TO SAY LADIES FIRST? YES, SIR.
I WILL TRY NOT TO TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO COME DOWN HERE.
I AM ASKING FOR ONE POSITION FOR, UM, AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR.
I DON'T NEED THEM TO BE EQUAL.
UM, BUT THERE IS AN INCREASE IN CASE FILINGS BECAUSE THERE IS AN INCREASE AND THAT'S JUST ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, BUT ALSO, UM, I THINK I WROTE DOWN, UM, AND I CAN PROVIDE NUMBERS FOR YOU GUYS.
I WAS THINKING I HAD THOSE WITH ME, BUT I DIDN'T, BUT I CAN EMAIL EACH OF YOU.
THE NUMBERS THAT I DID, I DID AN, A REPORT IN ODYSSEY THAT FROM 2016, TO WHAT WE HAVE PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR, THE NUMBER OF FILINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN MY COURT ARE UP BY 59%.
AND THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST, UH, IT'S NOT JUST CRIMINAL, BUT IT'S ALSO CIVIL.
UH, IT'S MAINLY A SUIT ON DEBT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE CASES OUT THERE, BUT ALSO FAMILY LAW IN, WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE, UM, JUDGE BLAIR IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE.
HE CHANGED THE DIVISION AND HOW CASES WERE DISTRIBUTED.
AND THE COUNTY COURTS AT LAW NOW TAKE ON AN EQUAL BURDEN WITH THE FAMILY LAW DOCKET.
AND SO THAT IS A CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE.
THOSE CASES HAVE BEEN INCREASED TO THE POINT
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WHERE WE ARE EQUAL TO THE DISTRICT COURTS.UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE COORDINATOR THAT WORKS WITH ME.
I HANDLE HALF OF THE MISDEMEANORS UP TO FELONY.
I HANDLE HALF OF THE STATE JAIL FELONIES AND THIRDS.
UM, THAT START WITH A AND END WITH L WE, WE CHANGED HOW IT'S A, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING THE CASES ON THE CRIMINAL CASES, IT'S SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE'S ARRESTED, YOU KNOW, WHICH COURT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY.
BUT, UM, ALSO, I ALSO AM, AS YOU HAVE RECENTLY SEEN SEVERAL TIMES ON THE JUVENILE JUDGE, BUT ALSO I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT WITH CPS SINCE COVID FOR ABOUT, ABOUT A YEAR.
I'VE TAKEN ON A LOT MORE WITH CPS AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHANGING.
UM, RIGHT NOW I AM HANDLING THE INITIAL 14 DAY HEARING.
JUDGE LOCKE MILLER HANDLES THE STATUS HEARING AND THE PERMANENCY HEARING, BUT THEN I HANDLE THE FINAL PERMANENCY HEARING AND ALL CONTESTED CASES.
UM, SO THAT HAS INCREASED THE LOAD WITH, UM, MY COORDINATOR, UM, WHO ALSO HAS THE SAME DUTIES THAT HAVE, HAVE OCCURRED SINCE I WANT TO SAY JUDGE WILEY WHEN SHE WAS THERE HAD TO, BUT SINCE THEN, I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE, BUT WITH THE CASE FILINGS BEING UP AND THE ADDED, UM, I GUESS THE ADDED WORK, UM, JUST THAT, THAT GENERATES FROM THOSE CASES.
SO WE GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU.
I, ONE THING I LEARNED AND THE THING WAS THAT JOHN BLAIR JAMES DID AND PLAYED THE DESK AND GABE GAVE HER MORE WORK.
SO THIS IS AN UNFUNDED FAN THAT FOUND THAT MANDATE BECAUSE HE'S FOUND THIS WORK ON IT DIDN'T SEND ME ANYTHING.
HE DID NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY, BUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM HIM.
HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE.
SO YEAH, JUDGE, WE DID APPROVE THAT POSITION, BUT THE ONLY, NO WE DID, BUT, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE, WE PUT ALL OF ALL THE NEW POSITIONS IN A JANUARY 1ST TO GIVE OURSELVES FROM HERE.
AND I WON'T WASTE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME.
THEY TOLD ME I COULD COME DOWN.
TELL HIM TO QUIT SENDING THEM.
I LIKE THE FAMILY LAW CASES ACTUALLY.
AND THAT'S PART OF, ONE OF THE REASONS HE DID IT.
UM, BUT ALSO TWO PEOPLE HANDLING THE ENTIRE FAMILY LAW CASELOAD BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO AN INCREASE AND ALL OF OUR COURTS HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN, IN CASE FILINGS ACROSS THE BOARD.
MY COURT WAS THE, IS THE ONLY ONE WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF EXTRA HELP.
UM, AND, UM, MY COURT COORDINATOR IS ACTUALLY IN SCHOOL TO BECOME A COURT REPORTER.
SHE'S ACTUALLY IN SCHOOL WITH ANABEL AND WILL GRADUATE IN MARCH.
SAME TIME THEY HAVE TO GET CERTIFIED, BUT ONCE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, I ANTICIPATE SHE, MY, MY CURRENT COURT REPORTER HAS PLANS TO RETIRE.
SHE'S GOING TO TAKE THAT POSITION.
AND THEN MY, MY GOAL IS TO MOVE THE OTHER ONE OUT CHILD LOSS IN PRODUCTIVITY IS CROSSING FINGERS.
THAT'S IT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM, I'M SORRY.
IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE BACK ANY TIME.
MAYBE FOR, YOU CAN STAY IF YOU'D LIKE, I WILL LET THEM TAKE OVER.
YOU'VE RUN OUT OF LADIES FIRST.
ANY EXCUSES NOW YOU HAVE TO COME UP LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO KIND OF FIRST, LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE LAST WEEK.
UNFORTUNATELY, MYSELF AND DA'S OFFICE WERE ON A CONFERENCE WITH THE STATE.
IT DID NOT MEAN THAT TO BE, UH, DISRESPECTFUL IN ANY WAY SHAPE.
UM, I NOTICED THAT I HAVE REQUESTED CERTAIN POSITIONS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO KIND OF PIGGY BACK OFF OF JUSTIN GRAY AND JUDGE ASH.
UM, JUDGE WILEY, WE ARE GROWING FORNEY, UH, AND WITH THE CONSTABLES BUDGET, UM, ARE LIKE JUDGE GRAY HAD STATED OUR CIVIL PROCESS IS BECOMING TREMENDOUS.
THAT INCLUDES SMALL LAWSUITS, UM, COMPANY LAWSUITS, PERSONAL LAWSUITS.
UH, IT'S JUST GETTING TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP, LIKE WHAT WAS STATED EARLIER.
UM, I KNOW THAT MS. RAY LYNN SUBMITTED MY BUDGET FOR ME AND SHE HAD, WAS PHENOMENAL AT DOING IT.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK.I KNOW THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THE POSITIONS BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE IN A BUDGET CRUNCH.
UH, IF I CAN'T GO WITH TWO, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO WITH ONE.
ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.
UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS I JUST FEEL LIKE IN YOUR OFFICE, I GUESS I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ROLLING DOWNHILL AT A REALLY, REALLY INCREASINGLY RAPID RATE, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AND WHETHER THEY'RE ON CONTRACT OR NOT.
UM, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN MANAGING AND, AND, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE MAYBE Y'ALL SHOULD JUST PAUSE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN THAT KIND OF GROWTH WITHOUT CREATING SOME.
THE NEXT THING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IN IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE.
IF THAT DEPARTMENT IT'S REALLY JUST SIMPLE MATH, ONE PERSON CAN ONLY SUPERVISE OR ACCOUNT FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND SO WHEN YOU GO FROM 10 DEPUTIES TO 20 DEPUTIES, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME MORE, MORE SUPPORT STAFF.
AND I JUST FELT LIKE MAYBE THIS YEAR WE OUGHT TO JUST PAUSE A LITTLE BIT.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, I HEAR THE CRIME STATISTICS AND THE CONCERN FROM THE PEOPLE THERE AND ALL THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT GETS RIGHT DOWN TO THIS.
WE GOT 2.4 MILLION AT, WE HAVE 35 POSITION REQUESTS AND, OR 25.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH AND $2.4 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
AND, UH, I JUST FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S JUST KINDA OVERWHELMING.
AND I FEEL LIKE WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT, IT'S JUST, THINGS ARE GROWING SO FAST THERE.
I JUST THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO JUST PAUSE A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE MY INPUT COMES FROM.
WELL, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN SEE THE POINT OF VIEW, JUDGE.
I MEAN, WE WORKED SO HARD ON AND MIRRORED AND UNIFORMITY WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE PAY SCALE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND ALL THE CONSTABLES MATCH EACH OTHER.
AND IF YOU NOTICE THAT THAT'S THE EXACT SCALE THAT WE HAVE CURRENT, UM, WE DIDN'T SUPERSEDE, WE DIDN'T OVERSTEP OUR BOUNDS AND IT WOULD BE REAL EASY FOR ME TO TAKE A CONTRACT DEPUTY AND MOVE HIM OVER AND HANDLE THE CONSTABLE SITUATIONS.
BUT THEN NOW WE'RE, WE'RE STEPPING OFF INTO MISUSE ON THE FUNDS THAT WERE ASSIGNED.
SO, I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TAKE A CONTRACT DEPUTY AND HAVE HIM GO DO AN EVICTION AND THEN A NINE 11 CALL COME OUT AND HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO RESPOND, CONSIDERING THAT JUST FROM JANUARY TO JUNE, WE ANSWERED 4,200 CALLS.
AND CHRIS, YOU KNOW, THAT ANYTIME IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER IT'S A FIRE OR POLICE, YOU KNOW, FROM SOMEBODY'S SITUATION, LIKE WE SAID, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS NUMBER, UH, WE COULD DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES IN CONSTABLE DEPUTIES WE HAVE IN CONFERENCE COUNTY.
AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO MEET THAT LINE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN KEEPING OUR ORGANIZATIONS STRUCTURED, RIGHT.
AND, AND SUPPORTING THEM, YOU KNOW, WITH FUNDING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT WITH A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN IT, IT'S GEOMETRICALLY MORE COMPLICATED TO MANAGE AND ONE WITH 10.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE YOU ADD, THE MORE STRUCTURE, SO THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE, YOU DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY TAX MONEY THAT WE TOOK OUT OF YOU TO GET THE FIRE.
THE FIRE GUYS THERE, SAME THING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE W THE TUG THAT WE FEEL.
WELL, I GUESS CLARIFY, WE ALL THE OTHER CONSTABLES HAVE DEPUTIES, BUT THANKS.
SEAN WAS GOING TO HAVE THREE NOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE.
VANESSA IS GOING TO HAVE THREE.
AND YOU HAVE TWO, I HAVE TWO, A COMBATANT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.
MATT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, NO HELP.
THEY DOESN'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATOR.
SO THEY DO ADMINISTRATIVE TOO, WHICH WE ALL HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE.
I'LL STILL RIDE YESTERDAY FOR TIME.
BUT SO THE FUNCTIONS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU HAVE YOUR PATROL PEOPLE, THEY DON'T DO THE CONSTABLE STUFF.
AND THE COST, MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO 12 STUFF.
BUT THE PATROL PEOPLE RESPOND.
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I MEAN, THEY RESPOND OUTSIDE OF THEIR TASKS WITH TRAVIS RANCH.I MEAN, THEY STILL ARE AN ASSET FOR YOU BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND ONE OF THE OTHER WINDMILL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU NEED, YOU NEED ANOTHER GUY I'M TALKING ABOUT SERGEANT PIPER'S DOING WHAT THEY, THEY, HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T COME INTO THE PAVERS AND GO, SIR, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AT THE COST MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND HE HAVE A CONTRACT RESPONSIBILITY.
HE STILL HAS, AND THEY DON'T COME MINGLE.
CAUSE THEY MISS OUT BECAUSE THEN I START CROSSING THE LINE BECAUSE NOW I'M MISUSING FUNDS.
SO IS THIS CLOSE TO CO-MINGLING WOULD BE OFFICE URGENCY.
THE OFFICERS SEE ONLY, WHICH IS SET UP THROUGH THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE SIGNED WITH THE DA'S OFFICE.
WELL THEN CONVERSELY, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO CO-MINGLE COUNTY DEPUTIES INTO CONTRACT WORK COUNTY DEPUTIES.
AREN'T COMMINGLING WITH THE CONTRACT WORK.
SO I HAVE ARE, ARE NOT, THEY ARE NOT THE COUNTY DEPUTIES, DEPUTY HOOPS SERVE CIVIL PAPERS AND HE COVERS THE COURT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CHINESE WALL, IF YOU WILL, UH, YOUR K9 POSITION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WASN'T THAT PREVIOUSLY, UH, I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS, THAT WAS A CANINE THAT WAS FUNDED AND ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE CONTRACT.
THE, THE K9 WAS PURCHASED OUT OF COUNTY BUDGET.
THE CANINE WAS PURCHASED BY OUR GREAT JUDGE.
WHILING SHE HELPED FUND THAT THE DOG HAS PURCHASED ON A COUNTY BUDGET.
THE DEPUTY IS OUT OF CONTRACT BUDGET.
BUT NOW YOU WANT TO MOVE THE DEPUTY TO THE CO TO THE COUNTY, BUT YES, SIR.
BECAUSE THE DEPUTY IS CALLED RELIGIOUSLY BY DPS 20 TERRELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WHEN THEIR CANINE GUYS ARE OUT TRAINING, THEY'RE CALLED RELIGIOUSLY.
SO THAT WAY IT IS NOW ASSIGNED STRICTLY TO THE COUNTY AND THEN HE CAN BE ON CALL WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT, OKAY, WELL, I'M TECHNICALLY, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE IN WINDMILL.
FARMS IS AN EXAMPLE WITH THE CANINE AND DPS IS CALLING ME, BUT IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY UNDER OUR SITUATION THAT WE'VE GOT SIGNED UP WITH THE CONTRACT.
SO CAN I LEAVE OR CAN I NOT LEAVE AT LEAST THIS WAY? HE IS READILY AVAILABLE 24 7? WHAT IF HE, WHAT DOES HE DO IF HE'S NOT SERVING? IF HE'S NOT IN, UH, ON A CANINE HE'S PATROLLING, HE'S ALWAYS PATROLLING.
THAT'S WHY HE DOESN'T SERVE PAPER.
HE IS NOT CIVIL SERVICE EITHER.
I MEAN, EDUCATE ME AS YOUR SUPPORT, EVERY OTHER DPS AND TERRELL PD AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A BIT OF MISSION CREEP.
WHAT STARTED OUT AS EVEN THOUGH JUDGE WILEY FUNDED IT, IT REALLY DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE COUNTY BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT WHAT STARTED OUT AS, UH, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY SERIOUS EXPENDITURE THAT WAS REALLY TIED TO THE CONTRACT IS NOW SHIFTING COMPLETELY TO THE COUNTY.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY FROM, FROM MY ESTIMATION AND YOUR REPORTING, THAT'S A SUPPORT FUNCTION FOR MANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
BUT W WE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS K9, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT, I GUESS I'M NOT SOLD THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT FUNCTION, UH, IS REALLY PARTICULARLY IN THE BUDGET CRUNCH TIME IS REALLY A VALID FUNCTION TO MOVE WHOLESALE INTO THE COUNTY UNDER THE COUNTY DIME COMMISSIONER.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A CONFUSION.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN TINA DEPUTY TINA WAS PURCHASED UNDER THE COUNTY BUDGET, UM, AND ROSS WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CONTRACT BUDGET, THERE WAS A MASS REQUEST OF CANINE UNITS FOR A LOT OF THE NARCOTICS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN THE PATROL AREA AND IN NOT JUST OUR AREA IT'S IN, IN THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND ADMIT IT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, DURING THE TIMES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CANINE GUYS CAN'T BE 24 7.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR TIME OFF AND APFF CANINE.
AND SO WITH
I CAN'T SIT HERE AND WATCH SOMEBODY HOLD A GUN AT SOMEONE AND GO, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M A CONSTABLE EVERYTHING.
SO EVERYBODY THINKS I SERVE CIVIL PAPERS.
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING.
I THINK THAT'S BLURRING THE LINES.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BLUR THE LINES.
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IS THAT THAT DOG WAS BROUGHT IN TO NOT ONLY HELP OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO HAS BEEN UTILIZED TO HELP THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HELP DPS AND HELP EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS COUNTY TO GET THE NARCOTICS OUT.THAT'S WHAT THAT DOG WAS UTILIZED FOR.
THAT'S WHY JUDGE WILEY HELPED US PURCHASE THAT DOG BECAUSE THEY KNEW, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DISAGREE ON THAT.
I DON'T FIND THAT, THAT THE K9 FUNCTION, UH, IS REALLY PART OF THE STATUTORY CONSTABLE FUNCTION.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT WOULD BE A MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE FROM YOUR PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT, YOU CALLED ME SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I WAS AT DALLAS COUNTY CONSTABLE'S OFFICE TO DO ADMIN WARRANTS ALL ACROSS THE DFW METROPLEX.
THE PATCH DID SO I AM A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER.
AGAIN, YOU'RE BLURRING THE LINES I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THIS ONE FUNCTION IS ONE FUNCTION, FUNCTION FALLS, WHICH IS BASED ON YOUR OWN STATEMENTS IS PREDOMINANTLY A SUPPORT FUNCTION FOR EITHER OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OR IT'S PREDOMINANTLY A SUPPORT FUNCTION OR A FUNCTION TIED TO THE CONTRACT.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR NOT? FUNCTION HAS TO DO WITH MY OFFICE, THE CONTRACT AND HELPS WITH OTHER AGENTS.
BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO HELP WITH OTHER AGENCIES, NOT, NOT TO FUND THEM.
CONSTABLE I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FUNDING THEM COMMISSIONER.
IF, IF YOU ARE WANTING ME TO YOU'RE DEPUTY TO THIS COUNTY, THEN THIS COUNTY FUNDS IT.
I'M SORRY YOU SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS.
AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS SEE IT ALONG WITH OUR TEAM.
WELL, WHAT I'M SEEING IT IS IS WHAT, WHAT I CAN AFFORD THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, BUT WE GO BACK TO SUPPOSEDLY MIRRORING AND UNIFORMITY.
SO WE HAD, AND YOU WEREN'T HERE THE OTHER DAY, BUT WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT INCLUDED THE SHERIFFS, UH, WITH REGARD TO MIRRORING, UH, CONSTABLE MIRRORING THE, THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE IN THIS CASE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD A RECALL, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO, TO ADJUST, PAY FOR AN ASSISTANT CHIEF.
IS THAT RIGHT? ASSISTANT CHIEF? UH, YES, SIR.
SO, SO THAT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD THEN WAS ABOUT, UM, WHILE WE HAVE THIS, WELL, WE HAVE THIS PREMISE THAT WE WANT OUR, OUR CONSTABLES TO BE PAID, UH, COMMENSURATE WITH OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES.
AT SOME POINT THAT THAT GAP STARTS TO, UM, NOT BE SUPPORTABLE WHEN AN ASSISTANT CHIEF IN ONE ORGANIZATION, SUPERVISOR'S A HUNDRED PLUS EMPLOYEES AND THE ASSISTANT CHIEF IN A SMALLER OFFICE WOULD ONLY SUPERVISE 20 OR SO EMPLOYEES.
SO THE CONCEPT WE HAVE IS EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK.
AND, UH, WHILE THE FUNCTIONS MAY BE THE SAME AND WHILE IT'S A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE, UH, I POINTED OUT THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND KEMP PERFORMS LARGELY THE SAME FUNCTIONS OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN DALLAS, BUT THEY DON'T GET PAID THE SAME.
SO, SO THAT, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER BUDGETARY CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON, ON THAT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE OTHER CONSTABLES DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OR THE DUTY TO DO WHAT WE DO.
IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND ALSO BY THE DA'S OFFICE, DOES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN THIS COUNTY ARE WANTING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN PRECINCT TOO.
THEY HAVE THAT EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THAT'S THEIR DECISION.
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN GO ON RIGHT NOW IS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING OVER IN PRECINCT TWO WITH THE WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON, MAY PERSONALLY, ME AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONSTABLES HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONSTABLE SHOULD BE PAID A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON WHY AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OR ANYBODY SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICER COME IN TO MAKE THE SAME, IF NOT MORE THAN THE ACTUAL ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT INTO THAT, WE START CROSSING BOUNDARIES BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF I GIVE SOMEBODY A RAISE AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK BAD FOR ELECTION TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T EVEN BOTHER WITH THAT.
THE REASON WHY MY REQUEST CAME IN IS BECAUSE NOT ONLY THE JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE'RE DOING AT THIS TIME, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE MUD AND THE WATER DISTRICTS SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND ARE ASKING HOW THINGS WERE GOING, HOW IS WHAT'S GOING ON? CAN WE HELP YOU? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE? AND WHEN THEY START ASKING ABOUT WHAT REALLY, THAT'S WHAT YOU MAKE, AND THEN THEY'RE SAYING, YOU CAN USE THE INDIRECT COST TO SUPERSEDE, TO TAKE
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THE OVERLOAD ON THAT.SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HIT THE CHEMICAL.
THAT WAY IT'S NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I WILL WISH I COULD GIVE ALL THE OTHER CONSTABLES, A PAY RAISE OUT OF THIS.
IF THEY WANTED TO COME OVER AND WORK 10, 15, 20% OF THE TIME OVER THERE, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT.
I CAN'T MAKE THEM COME OVER AND DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN THEIR PRECINCT.
LET ME, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S A QUESTION THAT I DID THAT I'LL JUST ASK DIRECTLY.
SO IS SOMEBODY WITH THE TITLE OF ASSISTANT CHIEF IS SUPERVISING 20 PEOPLE SHOULD, SHOULD SOMEBODY, IS THAT NOT A MEASURE AS IT WOULD BE IN MOST OTHER THINGS IT'LL TAKE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AFFECTS HOW MUCH SOMEBODY IS PAID IS HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU SUPERVISE? I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? WHAT'S YOUR JOB.
BUT, BUT UNIVERSALLY, I WOULD SAY SOMEBODY THAT SUPERVISES A HUNDRED PEOPLE IS ALWAYS GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S SUPERVISING 20, BECAUSE THE WORKLOAD IS SIGNIFICANTLY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS SO MUCH GREATER.
IS THAT, DO YOU NOT SEE THAT, THAT THAT'S, YOU'RE CORRECT, JUDGE.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MAY SEE IT THAT WAY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY NOR DOES MY STAFF.
WELL, WE LOOK AT IT AS VIEW, HOLD THE CHIEF STATUS, THEN IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS A CHIEF PAY.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY, GENTLEMEN.
I WAS JUST NEED CLARITY ON, ON THE MOVE FORWARD FOR THE BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.
SO POSITIONS ARE LISTED OUT THERE.
I'LL TRY TO RECAP ALL OF THOSE KITCHENS.
IF YOU HAD THAT, THAT PREGNANT PATIENT THAT YOU GAVE LAST WEEK, IT HAD THEM ALL CALL THAT A ONE PAGE, DIDN'T IT? OR DID IT NOT SOMETHING? IF I GOT A COPY OF THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
SO I'LL PULL THEM OUT OF HERE AND I'LL HAVE THEM ONE BY ONE.
AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THOSE AS I, CAUSE I GRABBED THEM, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW CHANGES TO, TO THE, THE CONTRACT STAFF AS WELL.
AND THAT WAS
WHY DON'T YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? UM, JERRY'S LOOKING FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
OUR DECISION LAST WEEK WAS JUST WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONSEQUENCE YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, FOR THIS ONE, WE'RE STILL COMING BACK TO THE SAME PROBLEM IS THAT THAT AMY'S DID RIGHT IN HERE TOO ALSO, AND TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY KEEP INCREASING AND THAT MUCH BIGGER OUR COURT SEEMS TO BE GETTING IN THE, HOW MANY PAPERS THAT THEY WERE SERVING.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE FAIR.
THEY NEED ANOTHER CONSTABLE IN THAT AISLE.
I MEAN, THAT WAS Y'ALL Y'ALL KINDA GOT OFF ON THE CANINE AND WE NEVER ADDRESSED THE OTHER YEAH.
THIS, THE CIVIL PROCESS YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
REQUEST WAS FOR TWO, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH ONE, LIKE I'D STATED EARLIER BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING A SIMPLE ONE DEPUTY TO DO CIVIL SERVICE.
WHAT STATUTE REQUIRED CONSTABLE JOB.
I MEAN, IT WAS EITHER WE DO THE CIVIL PAPERWORK OR WE BRING THE CANINE OVER, MOVE HIM OVER AND THEN WE CAN FILL THAT OTHER SPOT AND TRAIN THEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, I MEAN, WHATEVER
SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO GET CIVIL CERTIFIED.
HE'S GOING TO BE ON CALL 24 7 OFFICES, THE COMPANY.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO ONE DEPUTY THAT CANINE SITUATION AND SAVED X THE WAY IT IS NOW.
SO IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO INSTRUCT JERRY? PLUG-INS KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING AT WHENEVER.
I MEAN, THEY ARE DISTINCT RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE IN THE CONTRACT.
AND THERE'S ONE DEPUTY IS ON THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE TO SERVE CIVIL PAPERS AND NOT DEAL WITH THE CANINE DILEMMA AT ALL.
IF YOU WANT IT THAT WAY, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
IT'S THE WAY I WOULD, I WOULD SEE DO IT.
AND YET THE INSTRUCTIONS Y'ALL WANT TO GIVE JERRY TO PLUG THOSE NUMBERS IN LIKE THAT, THAT WOULDN'T
SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY HANDLES THEIR BUSINESS, THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.
WE SETTLED ON A PAPER PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE I WANT TO BE COMPLETELY SETTLED.
SO IN ALIGNMENT WITH ALL THE OTHER
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NEW POSITIONS, WE WILL PUT IN A CIVIL PROCESS CONSTABLE TO BEGIN IN JANUARY, THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS APPROVED SO FAR WITHIN THOSE CONTRACTS, THERE'S THERE'S PAY STRUCTURES AND SOME OF THAT PAY STRUCTURE INCLUDES COUNTY EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? SO I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE ARE WE, ARE WE GIVING THAT PAY STRUCTURE AS PRESENTED THE OTHER DAY IN CORRIDOR? ARE WE, ARE WE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT? THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF PAY.THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS IF I'M, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, NOT KNOWING IT IS ULTIMATELY, BUT THERE'S PAY FOR THE CONSTABLE AND THERE'S PAY FOR MR. KITCHENS, I BELIEVE COMING OUT OF THOSE CONTRACTS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO CAPTURE THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT AT AN ADJUSTED PAY SO THAT, SO THAT CONTRACTS ARE COVERING, ADJUSTED PAY FOR THESE TWO GENTLEMEN, IF THAT'S APPROVED, THEN I GOT TO PULL THAT.
I GOTTA, I GOT TO PUT IT IN MY SHIRT.
WELL, WE VOTE, WE, WE AGREED TO THE CONTRACT.
WE AGREED THAT NO ELECTED OFFICIAL IS, IS, IS A SUPPORTABLE FOR A RANGE THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, I I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SUPPORT A PAY ADJUSTMENT TO, FOR ASSISTANT CHIEF BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE COMMENSURATE.
UH, I DON'T THINK GIBSON, HE DIDN'T GO TO ASSISTANT CHIEF PAY ANY OF THIS.
WELL, I THOUGHT THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST LIKE A SEVEN GRAND ASK.
IT WAS A 7,000 AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOMETHING I HAD TO, I DON'T HAVE THAT SHEET IN FRONT OF ME.
I'M I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BURIED IN ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS.
WHICH ONE? WHY DID YOU LAND ON A LENS AND GET A COPY FROM RHODE ISLAND? YEAH, IT WAS A $7,500 ASK.
WHAT DID THAT LAND WITH? ONE, ONE LINE WOULD BE, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UH, CHIEF DEPUTY FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND I BELIEVE WHEN HE WAS WITH MAJOR OR CAPTAIN OR SOMETHING.
OH, IN THE DALE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THE, UH, IN THE SHERIFF? UM, CA CAN WE NOT JUST SETTLE ON ADDING THAT ONE CIVIL SERVICE POSITION AND NOT DO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I AGREE.
THAT'S BECAUSE ALL CAUSE PATROLMEN ARE IN LINE WITH ALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES.
EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU KNOW, JERRY'S GOT THE, HE'S GOT HIS MARCHING ORDERS ON THAT.
SO, SO AS YOU CAN TELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PAYROLL IS, IS A HUGE CHUNK OF OUR ARE RISING.
SO WE'RE, HERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M FACING THAT I JUST WANT TO BOUNCE OFF, OFF THE BOARD.
SO OUR, OUR, OUR CALENDAR WAS TO COME TO COURT TOMORROW MORNING AT NINE O'CLOCK AND PRESENT A PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, IT'LL TAKE, IT'LL TAKE EVERY BIT OF THIS EVENING TO JUST TO TRY TO GET THIS UPDATED JUST BASED UPON THE, THE MOVING PARTS.
SO WHILE I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK TO COURT TOMORROW WITH A HIGH LEVEL PROPOSED BUDGET.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS COMPLETELY RESOLVED AND WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER THINGS WE'LL NEED TO SOLVE BETWEEN TOMORROW AND THE TIME YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADOPTED BUDGET.
UH, IN YEARS PAST WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT A PROPOSED BUDGET AS OUR WORKING BUDGET AND KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN BETWEEN BETWEEN THAT TIME HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO WHAT SHE'S SAYING TO ME, BUT IT'S ON MY PHONE.
I NEED TO SEE IT A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY A LETTER.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CHANGES I STILL NEED TO DO OR EURO ALONE, JUST TO MAKING SURE THAT IT FLOWS THROUGH WELL.
AND, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE BUDGETS, RIGHT? THERE'S STILL OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF PAYROLL.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ROAD AND BRIDGE, WHICH CURRENTLY IS A LITTLE OUT OF BALANCE THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO ASSURE THAT WE NEED TO SHORE THAT UP.
SO A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, UM, I CAN POST FOR A BUDGET WORKSHOP TODAY AND WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP ON THURSDAY, AND I CAN STILL FOLLOW THAT APPROACH THE BUDGET ON FRIDAY, WHICH WAS MY ORIGINAL TIMELINE.
I WILL SAY THIS, I WAS ON VACATION THIS WEEK AND I PUT IT OFF.
WE'RE GOING AND I PUT IT BACK, CHECK IT IN AT FOUR O'CLOCK TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
SO, AND I'M OUT THE REST OF THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UNTIL LIKE THE END OF AUGUST.
RIGHT? AND THEN THE FINAL BUDGET HAS TO BE IN PM.
SEPTEMBER CALENDAR WAS JULY 30TH, WHICH IS AN ACTION OF THE COURT THAT WE TOOK BACK JULY 3RD.
SO I MAY ASK, SO 30TH, 30TH, I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD THIRD 30TH, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THIS PORT DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT THAT'S NOT THE STATE.
NO, WE, WE SAT THERE, WE SET OUR CALENDAR, WE STARTED COUNTING.
AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A DRAFT
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BUDGET PROPOSAL BUDGET.SO WHAT HERE'S, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THOUGH? THIS JUST SO I KNOW I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS AS LONG AS IT'S ON PIPER, WHERE I CAN LOOK AT IT.
I CAN, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT MY HANDS ON.
YOU BALANCE IT WITH THE, WITH THE CARES MAN FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU HEAR ME SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT OTHER INTO AND TO CONTINUE TO UMAINE INTO, INTO UNBALANCED FUND BALANCE.
WHAT'S YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE BALANCE A BUDGET WITH THAT CARES MONEY FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE OF POSTING A PROPOSED BUDGET.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING, BECAUSE I WROTE IN RED WE'LL BALANCE WE'LL BALANCE, AS LONG AS WE ALL, WELL, IT'S GOING TO BALANCE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR LOVE, BUT IT'LL BALANCE AS LONG AS YOU CARRY ENOUGH OVER IN YOUR CONTINGENCY TO BALANCE WHAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING AT THE MOMENT.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION, WELL, AND I GUESS I'M SURE IT CAN, WELL, OKAY, WELL, LET ME JUST THROW THIS OUT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR TIMEFRAME WORKING TIMEFRAME IS.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE COURT IN THE MORNING.
WE CAN RECESS THAT MEETING TILL THE MINE UNTIL WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CLERK WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS OR NOT.
OR KAREN, ONE OF Y'ALL, WE CAN RECESS THAT MEETING AND THEN COME BACK AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
IF WE NEED THAT MUCH TIME, WE'VE DONE THAT HERE FOR IN THE MORNING MEETING I'M OUT OF HERE.
I MADE A VACATION FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, AND I'M GOING TO GO DO SOMETHING.
HERE'S THE TWO THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
THE FIRST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IS BRANDY HAS TO UPDATE HER SPREADSHEET AND THEN UPLOAD IT INTO OPENGOV.
SO, AND UNTIL SHE DOES THAT, I WON'T HAVE A NUMBER IN OPENGOV.
SO THEN I WOULD HAVE TO THEN TAKE THAT INFORMATION.
AND I'VE GOT TO TRANSFORM THAT INTO A PRINTABLE SHEET FOR ALL OF YOU TO LOOK AT, WHICH ALREADY HAVE THE SHELL BUILT.
THAT'LL TAKE ME SEVERAL HOURS AND I DON'T MIND WORKING INTO THE NIGHT.
WELL, I JUST DIDN'T COME TO THE HOSPITAL TODAY.
YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF FAMILY FIRST AND THIS CAN ALL WAIT.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
NOW I CAN, I CAN GET, I CAN GET YOU A DOCUMENT FOR TOMORROW TALKING ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK.
I CAN HAVE YOU A DOCUMENT PROBABLY ABOUT NINE, AS LONG AS I GET THE NUMBERS.
BUT WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IS FOR THE AMBULANCE.
THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT I NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO I'LL NEED ALL THIS PLUG IN A NUMBER INTO I'LL CALL IT COMMITTED FUND BALANCE.
AND I'LL JUST PLUG A NUMBER IN HOW MUCH DO Y'ALL WANT IN REGULAR CONTINGENCY BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT NOW, IT'S A ZERO.
SO I NEED TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE.
SO IN A YEAR'S PAST, WE'VE RANGED BETWEEN TWO 50 AND 500, 3, 3, SO 300,000 IN CONTINGENCY.
SO I'LL PLUG, I'LL PUT 300 K INTO CONTINGENCY.
LET HER BE LESS THAN DON'T OVERSPEND YOUR BUDGET.
UH, THE LAST PIECE I HAVE IS YOU ASKED ME TO ALL, TO LOOK AT EVERGREEN AGAIN.
SO I SPENT SOME TIME DIGGING THROUGH EVERGREEN AND COMMISSIONER CASE.
YOU HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ASKING ME TO SEE THE OTHER GAPS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
THE MATH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MATH WAS.
IF I APPLY THE EXACT SAME MATH TO THIS SNAPSHOT IN TIME, THOSE SAME 21 PEOPLE GAVE HIM, YOU GAVE HIM HALF OF IT.
THOSE SAME 21 PEOPLE ARE STILL YOUR BIGGEST GAP OUT.
THERE ARE THE EXACT SAME 21 PEOPLE THAT WE GAVE HALF OF IT TO 300,000 THAT WE HAVE PARKED COVERAGE.
SO THE ASK WOULD BE, DO I GO AHEAD AND FINISH THAT GAP? BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL, THE LOCK IS JUST GAP OUT THERE.
AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW OTHER LINE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUTSIDE OF PAYROLL.
BUT AS I LOOK AT THEM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT APPEARS TO BE UNNECESSARY TO A BUDGET.
MOST OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE COST OF PEOPLE.
SO I'LL MAKE SOME SLIGHT, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A FULL YEAR, I'LL BACK OFF, BUT I DESK IS A DESK, RIGHT? EIGHT COMPUTERS AND COMPUTER.
WHETHER YOU BUY IT IN JANUARY OR BUY IN OCTOBER, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO THOSE, SO THERE'S NOT ANY REAL SIGNIFICANCE THROUGH ALL THAT.
AND I BELIEVE I CAN COME UP WITH A, A DOCUMENT THAT, THAT WE CAN THEN SAY, THIS IS OUR WORKING BUDGET.
AND THEN THE ONLY ASK I WOULD HAVE WITH THE COURT IS JUST TO LOOK AT YOUR CALENDARS BECAUSE OUR WINDOW IS GOING TO GET VERY COMPRESSED FROM JULY 30TH, TILL AUGUST 20TH OR WHATEVER THAT DATE IS THE 15TH.
SO WE GOT 15 DAYS TO ADOPT A BUDGET.
SO THAT MEANS WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK UNTIL WE GET IT ALL WORKED OUT FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER BARBARA STARTED HERE.
I WILL BALANCE THEM TO BE ZERO.
I WILL BRING OVER ESTIMATED BEGINNING BALANCES AND I'LL MAKE THEM ALL ZERO, BUT I'LL LEAVE.
I'LL LEAVE YOUR CONTINGENCIES FOR NEXT YEAR AT ZERO.
THAT ONCE WE GET THAT NEW BALANCE, WE'LL MOVE THAT MONEY INTO CONTINGENCY FOR NEXT YEAR.
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SO I DON'T KNOW.OTHER THAN THAT, LET ME JUST GO OVER MY LIST REAL QUICK FOR A WHILE.
SO WE GOT THESE, WE GOT THESE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE ASKED US FOR THINGS.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO DOWN THE LIST WITH YOU REAL QUICK AND WHERE WE ARE.
SO CRANDALL LIBRARY LAST YEAR WAS 16, NINE.
THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE ON THE WEST.
SO THAT'S A YES OR NO, THAT'S EXTRA.
THAT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR.
IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT 16 NINE.
TERRELL LIBRARY LAST YEAR, THE ACTUAL PAY WAS 47 6.
THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 12 FOR SAME AS LAST YEAR.
I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM KEMP.
THEY ASKED FOR 5,000 LAST YEAR, WE GAVE THEM 5,000 LIBRARY.
THEY PAY BACK CARRIE ROSS ROSSER LAST YEAR ASKED FOR FIVE.
THEY HAVEN'T ASKED THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GAVE THEM LAST YEAR.
UH, CHILD WELFARE BOARD IS STARTING NINE, NINE.
I DIDN'T SEE A DIFFERENT REQUESTS.
SENIOR CONNECT ASKED FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND UPFRONT THAT MAKE IT $200,000, TOTAL COMMITMENT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT CAN'T BE ACCOMMODATED LIKE IN, IN THAT FASHION.
SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND LEAVE IT TO THE AUDITOR, HOW SHE WANTS TO DISPERSE.
WHAT IS IT? THIS PERSON YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK? WELL THERE, THE, JUST TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS CONCEPT.
IF, IF IT'S A HUNDRED K AND THEIR REAL PROBLEM IS LIKE IT OR NOT, FOR THEIR OWN LACK OF MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT THAT THEY, THEY, THEY ARE ALWAYS BEHIND THE POWER CURVE PAID UP.
COULD WE PAY IT UP FRONT, MAKE ONE PAYMENT OF A HUNDRED K TO THEM AND ALLOW THAT ANNUAL PAYMENT TO BE THEIR CASH RESERVE.
YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T CONTROL HOW THEY SPENT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
ONCE YOU GIVE IT TO THEM, THEY DIDN'T, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO WITH IT, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE HOW YOU PAY THEM.
WELL, WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO WITH IT, CORRECT.
BUT IF IT'S A CASH FLOW ISSUE AND WE FRONT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, I'D SAY THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD, I MEAN, THEY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS AND HAVE THE 90 DAYS TO LIVE ON TO GET THEIR REIMBURSEMENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL IS THAT WE FRONT A HUNDRED K AND NIX THE A HUNDRED K EXTRA.
NEW ASK IS AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FOREVER FAMILIES.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO NEW.
ARE WE? WELL, PROBABLY NOT THAT AMOUNT.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOREVER FAMILIES WHO IS ISN'T, IT'S A, A, IT'S A NON-PROFIT THAT'S IT'S IN CAMP.
UH, IT REALLY IS, UH, IT'S A NEW SHELTER PLACE.
IT PROVIDES A LIVING SPACE FOR FAMILIES THAT HAVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ISSUES.
UM, THEY WERE AT THE GENESIS CENTER THAT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THEY WERE CRITICAL THIS WINTER OVER THE FREEZE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A 25.
COULD WE DO 25 FOR THEM? YEAH.
UM, HUMANE, HUMANE SOCIETY OF NORTH TEXAS.
THIS CURRENTLY SETS IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRORATED YEAR, MOST LIKELY, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PREDICT EXACTLY WHEN THAT PRO RATE'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I'M GUESSTIMATING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY COME OFF OF THAT NUMBER ABOUT 24,000.
BUT I JUST CAN'T PUT A NUMBER NOW, 1 47 TO 28, 1 47, BUT THAT'S FOR A FULL YEAR.
BUT ONCE WE, ONCE WE OPEN ALL INCOME, I'LL START INCURRING COSTS AND YOU KNOW, NOT, I'VE GOT ALL THOSE OTHER INCURRING COSTS.
WE DO A HEART IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO THE NUMBER I HAVE IS 1 22, 6 90.
I'LL REDUCE HIS BUDGET BY 24 OR 5 30, 8.
I'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE SINGLE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
KAREN, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THEM LAST YEAR WAS 6 56 NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
I'VE NOT HEARD FROM NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LAST YEAR.
SO I'VE STILL GOT TWO 20 PARK, LIKE THE SAME NUMBER I'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION LAST YEAR WAS 20 IF THEY HAVEN'T.
KAREN AND I ARE WORKING ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW, AS A MATTER OF FACT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE NOT HEARD FROM CARE FLIGHT.
WE HAD 8,500 LAST YEAR AND I HAVE 8,500 BUDGETED.
SO FOR GOOD THAT'S ALL THE NONPROFITS THAT I HAD, UM, FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF JUST STRUCTURED AND REMIND EVERYONE, THE
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ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR HAS STARTED TODAY.THAT SALARY IS, IS, IS PART OF THIS NEW BUDGET.
I HAVE THAT I HAVE THAT RUNNING AND FUND 10.
AND SO THAT'S NOW ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO REPORT UP TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AT THIS POINT, UNLESS THE COURT DECIDES DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COURT WAS THAT NOW FALL UNDER MY STRUCTURE WITH MY TEAM.
IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT, THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ASSUME THAT AND PUT IT IN WITH THAT GROUP AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STRUCTURE.
AND THEN I TALKED WITH YOU LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS IDEA I HAD FOR THIS, THIS DIVISION OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, GOING FROM THAT, THEY ASK THEM FOR 23 TOTAL, THE STRUCTURE THAT I'M PROPOSING IS 20.
BUT IF WHAT'S IN YOUR MATH, 23 OR 2020, OKAY.
IT'S IN MATH THAT I'VE SHARED WITH BRANDY, BUT WE, WE HAVE IT ON PAUSE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON HOW IT WOULD RESTRUCTURE IT.
I'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT THIS RESTRUCT.
SO I CAN PAUSE AND JUST LEAVE IT AS IS FOR NOW AND NOT PUT ANY NEW POSITIONS IN THERE, OR WE CAN, I CAN, I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MATH WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND YOU JUST RECAP THE PROPOSAL.
SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO HAVE, UH, AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OVER PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN HAVE ACROSS THE LINE.
YOU WOULD HAVE FIRE MARSHALL ENGINEER GIS AND WHAT I'M CALLING COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTIONS.
SO I'D PUT A SUPERVISOR THERE AND THEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.
SO AN OFFICE MANAGER, THE IDEA IS THAT THE CLERICAL DUTIES WITHIN THOSE OFFICES THEN GET SHARED AMONGST ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS.
SO I THINK WE WOULD GAIN SOME EFFICIENCIES IN CLERICAL AND THEN RESTRUCTURE THESE NEW POSITIONS.
SO NOT BE PEACE OFFICERS THAT ARE INSPECTING, BUT THEN REEVALUATE, HOW MANY PEACE OFFICERS AND HOW MANY INSPECTORS DO WE NEED IN THAT ENTIRE DEPARTMENT? I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH SINCE THEN, BECAUSE I WAS DETERMINED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR.
ANYBODY CAN NOT ANYBODY, BUT IF YOU CAN PASS THE TEST, YOU CAN BE A, A CERTIFIED FIRE CODE INSPECTOR.
SO A PERSON THAT'S INSPECTING BUYER STUFF HAS TO BE CERTIFIED TO DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A PEACE OFFICER.
SO WE WOULD HAVE MY, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE DEDICATED FIRE STAFF, BECAUSE THERE ARE FIRE RELATED THINGS THAT YOU NEED FIRE STAFF TO DO.
WELL, INSPECTORS INSPECTORS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE LIKE FIVE-YEAR SERVICE IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
SO THEY'RE CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS, NOT, NOT WHEN I SAW ON THE FIRE CODE THING, PLAN REVIEWS AND REVIEW IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IS THE PLAN REVIEW SIDE OF IT.
SO GOING OUT AND INSPECTING A BIG METAL BUILDING THAT HAS A CONCRETE FLOOR, IT HAS BEAMS AND HAS A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A FIRE INSPECTION CERTIFICATION, YOU CAN INSPECT THAT BUILDING, RIGHT.
WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, WHERE THEY CURRENTLY DO IT AS A FIRE IS ALWAYS INSPECTS EVERYTHING.
AND MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE INSPECTORS THAT DO SEPTIC ENVIRONMENTAL AND BUILDINGS, ALL THREE, AND THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WOULD DO ALL THREE OF THOSE FIRE INVESTIGATION THAT SUPPORTS THIS ONE-STOP SHOP THING.
AND I THINK Y'ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND A FIRE INSPECTOR NEEDS TO BE A FIREFIGHTER, RIGHT.
TO BE AN INSPECTOR, OR HAS BEEN A FIREFIGHTER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKLAND REVIEW MY PLAN.
YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, FIRE INSPECTION, FIRE INSPECTOR, FIRE CODE INSPECTION IS STILL SEPARATE.
IN YOUR DEAL, THE FIRE MARSHALL, THE STATUTORY WORK.
I'M TRYING TO SAY I'M IN THE STATE SAYS THAT WE HAVE A FIRE MARSHALL, I BELIEVE SO.
AND IT'S APPOINTED BY THE COURT AND HE'S NOT UNDERNEATH ANYBODY EXCEPT THE COURT.
WELL, TWO YEAR CONTRACT BY, BUT HE CAN REPORT TO ANYBODY.
WELL, HE'S STILL, BUT EVERY, EVERY PERSON THAT WORKS FOR JERRY WORKS FOR US.
THEY JUST FROM CHANGING THING.
YOU COULD PUT SOMEBODY BETWEEN HIM AND US UNDER THE LEGAL, UNDER THE STATUTE, SINCE HE'S, HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE RULE THE STATUTE OUT.
BUT THE STATUTE, I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT WE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE STATUTE IN FRONT OF ME.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HIRES THAT WE WERE, THEY REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IF WE HAVE THEM UNDER JERRY AND JERRY REPORTS TO YOU, AMEN.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE OTHER NATIONS.
I THINK THAT REALLY, REALLY, OH, I GUESS THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE SAID, WE HAVE A CONTRACT.
I JUST, DON'T NOT TELL US THAT SHE HAS, THE SAME THING IS HOTTER THAN THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR.
AND I JUST DIDN'T
IT WON'T, IT WON'T CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF HOW MUCH IT WASN'T PAYROLL.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE THE SAME THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE JUST NOT RIGHT.
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IS THE BIG DREAM, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRESIDE IS STILL FIRESIDE UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN PLANTS, EXAMINERS SO DIFFERENT.RIGHT? SO THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS HOW MANY SWORN DEPUTY FIRE MARSHALS DO WE HAVE NOW? RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 3 OR FOUR, YOU HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, AND A HALF, BUT WE'RE IN A ONE BEING THE FIRE MARSHALL AND BEING THE FIRE MARSHALL.
SO WE HAVE THREE AND A HALF, FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR AND A HALF.
WE HAVE FOUR AND THEN ONE PART-TIME FOUR AND A HALF.
BUT THE FAR MARSHAL HAS TO THAT POSITION IS STATUTORY.
EVERYBODY ELSE CAN BE INSPECT JOHN OR PLANNERS OF TIME.
SO OUR EXISTING, OUR EXISTING DEPUTY FIRE MARSHALS, WHATEVER NUMBER WE ULTIMATELY DETERMINED IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
THOSE GUYS WOULD THAT, THAT EITHER ONE OR THREE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO FIRE INSPECTIONS LIKE MY JOB.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO A BUILDING, IF WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONALITY FROM THOSE SWORN, UH, FAR MARSHALS, IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE LESS SWORN FIRE MARSHALS AND MORE INSPECTORS, ONE OR TWO AND MORE INSPECTORS, MORE.
AND, AND I, AND BOB, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE TIE BETWEEN, BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T ENFORCE BUILDING COATS, THE COUNTY ENFORCED KENNY ENFORCED THE FIRE CODE.
AM I RIGHT THERE? WHERE CITY ENFORCES, ENFORCES A BUILDING CODE AND THE FIRE CODE, WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL.
ON FARM AND UNDER OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
DON'T WE DO FIXING ON HOUSES AND MEAN ELECTRICAL NOW.
WHAT WOULD YOU REALLY HAVE? NO.
WHAT WE REALLY HAVE IS UNDER THE FIRE MARSHALL UNDER THE, UM, THE FIRE CODE, WE DO COMMERCIAL INSPECTIONS.
AND THAT BASICALLY IS WHAT THEY HAVE IS HOW A BUSINESS GETS AN OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATE, YOU KNOW, CERTIFIED OCCUPANCY.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART THAT IS MEETING THEIR FIRE INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY CAN GET THEIR OCCUPANCY.
I THINK THEY CAN'T GET THEIR OCCUPANCY UNTIL THEY MEET THEIR FIRE, UM, INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT KIND OF GOES THE OCCUPANCY AND THE FIRE INSPECTION KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTY.
BUT WE DON'T DO THAT, TRYING TO DO THE BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T DO THE RESIDENTS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY TALKING ABOUT FIRE BUILDERS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A FARC, JUST FIRE STUFF IN A BUILDING CODES.
BUT AS FAR AS THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S THREE INCH STEEL OR ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, OR THE CONCRETE SIX INCHES THICK OR WHATEVER, WE DON'T INSPECT THEM, MEAN THE FIRE MARSHALL DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE DO INSPECT IT NOW IN MY PROPOSAL IS THAT WE WOULD SEND THESE INDIVIDUALS TO SCHOOL.
SO THEY WOULD BE CERTIFIED IN THAT ARENA.
SO NOW WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTION DIVISION, IF YOU WILL, THEY'RE GOING TO DO COMPLIANCE.
HE'LL BE CERTIFIED IN THAT ENTIRE ARENA.
THEY'LL HAVE SEPTIC LICENSE, THEY'LL HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ON THEIR PLATE.
THEY'LL HAVE BUILDINGS ON THEIR PLATE.
THEN YOU USE THE FIRE MARSHALS FOR FIRE THINGS.
AND THIS GROUP FOR INSPECTIONS OF THINGS, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.
IS THERE SOMETHING ON IT THAT ONLY A FIREMAN CAN INSPECT OUR BRAND NEW BUILDINGS? I MEAN THAT A PLANNER CAN'T COME IN.
WHAT I READ, ANYONE CAN INSPECT IT, BUT IF THERE'S A FIRE, THE FIRE MARSHALL, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT LIKE I WENT TO RANDY ONE DAY AND HE WAS SHOWING ME HOW TO, THEY DID THE THINGS THAT HE SAID, HERE'S THE PLANS.
AND WHAT WE DO IS LOOK AT THE FIRE, SPRINKLERS, ANY CANDIDATE PRIOR FINGER.
AND HE SAID, YOU SEE ON THE GOSSIP AND THE, I CAN SEE IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE.
IT TELLS ME THAT THERE'S 18 HEADS THERE.
HE SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND COUNT EACH ONE OF THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL, SHE CAN'T WALK.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT, GOSH, I'VE BEEN OUT OF IT SO LONG, BUT YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE FIRE WRITING AND THE SHEET ROCK NEEDLES, SPREAKER HEADS, STAMP, HOP SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, THOUGH.
I KNOW W W SHE AIN'T WRITING EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING A FIREMAN OR AN EX FIREMAN CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS FARMING YET TO BE BEFORE YOU CAN BECOME AN INSPECTOR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE YEARS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE THAT IN THE CODE, OR WHERE'S THAT AT? WE KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN A FIRE INSPECTOR GO OUT AND INSPECT THEM? OR IS IT AFTER THE BUILDING'S BUILT? AND THEN ONLY ONCE A YEAR, THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN INSPECT
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IT IS A FIRE MAN.I'M ASKING CAN HAVE A PLANNING.
CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PLAN.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SHE'S OVER THERE MAKING NOTES.
NOW SHE'S GOING TO STAY ON WHAT ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE ANSWERED IN THE MORNING THAT KAREN IS WALKING AND TALKING COMPUTER.
SO I'M GOOD TASTES NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT STRUCTURE, ASSUMING THAT WE MAKE WHATEVER ADJUSTMENT WE HAVE TO MAKE.
IF IT'S MIKE'S, UH, UNDERSTANDING IS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CONTROLLING.
SO WHAT MONIQUE SAYS, IF THEY IS THAT THEY DO RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS, THEY TURN IN A THIRD-PARTY INSPECTION TO US FOR CERTIFICATE COMPLIANCE.
SO WE DO DO SOME RESIDENTIAL PERMITS.
BUT THEY DO THEM AND TURN AND TURN IN THE CERTIFICATE BASICALLY.
I WAS ABOUT, ABOUT FIRE CODE, INSPECTION AND SAFETY.
YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED TO DO IT.
YOU JUST DO THE NUMBERS YOU GOT OTHER STUFF TO DO.
BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS ON THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF THE COUNTY MAY ESTABLISH THE OFFICE OF COUNTY FIRE MARSHALL AND PROVIDE OFFICE FULL-TILT FACILITIES, EQUIPMENT, TRANSPORTATION ASSISTANCE, AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THE OFFICE OF MR. SQUIRT SHALL ESTABLISH THE TERM OF OFFICE OF THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHALL FOR A PERIOD, NOT TO EXCEED TWO YEARS.
SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE OFFICE OF COUNTY FIRE.
IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS USE THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL.
ROCKWELL COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A FARM.
BUT WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS, AS FAR AS THE REPORTING, THE STATUTE DOESN'T GIVE ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER ON THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK BECAUSE OF THAT, IT CAN, IT'S DIFFERENT WEEK YOU REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WHETHER YOU REPORT THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATOR OR WHETHER YOU REPORT DIRECTLY OR WHETHER YOU DID THAT OTHER POSITION, LIKE ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS COURT.
AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER, UM, FOREIGN SPECTER.
WHAT THAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR APPLIER? WE THROW TALKING, ARE YOU TALKING, BABY? I JUST WANT TO, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BRANDY IS OKAY.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I CAN JUST DO A QUICK SUMMARY.
SO I MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND RANDY'S OKAY.
I DIDN'T READ YOU THAT AND FEEL WELL.
SO, SO BRANDY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO JUST INCLUDE 50 K BASE TO THOSE THAT ARE UNDER 50 NOW.
AND THEN 1% FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT MIX, WE'LL DO THE SAME 1% ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE.
WE WILL ADD ONE CIVIL PROCESS.
CONSTABLE BEGINNING IN JANUARY, I WILL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND SEND THEM TO YOU BASED UPON THE EVERGREEN STUDY, THE OTHER HALF OF THAT.
AND I'LL SEND THOSE TO YOU TO MAKE THOSE OF THOSE FINAL ADJUSTMENTS IN THAT PIECE OF THE PAY AS WELL.
AND ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE EXEMPT FROM THE 1% THAT THEY'D GET THE ADJUSTMENT? THAT'S WHAT WE SAID IN VISTA, CLARITY, BRANDY, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE MADE PAY ADJUSTMENTS TO, WHERE THEY EXEMPT FROM THE 1%.
YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY WITH THE EXCEPTION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CERTIFICATION PAID CERTIFICATION PAY IS OUTSIDE OF THE MIX OF YOUR BASE.
UNDERSTAND I MISSED, I MISSED ONE EMPLOYEE.
WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH YESTERDAY, THE EMPLOYEE IS CARLA.
CHUCK DID REQUEST THAT, CARLA, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A CERTIFICATION PROCESS IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE THAT CARLA HAS GONE AND TAKEN THE NECESSARY COURSEWORK TO BE CERTIFIED IN THE TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT THROUGH, THROUGH COURSEWORK.
AND HE WANTED TO KNOW IF SHE COULD HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF CERTIFICATION OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE GETTING, THAT WAS HIS ASK.
SO I'M SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF.
WHAT'S WHAT'S THAT COST THE SAME AS A PARALEGAL IS 2000.
ISN'T IT? IS THAT WHAT A PARALEGAL IS? WHAT IS THE CERTIFICATION FOR? IS IT FAR, I MEAN, LET ME PULL IT UP.
I REMEMBER SEEING THAT IT'S IN HIS IT'S IN HIS ASS AND I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT.
CAUSE I DIDN'T SCROLL DOWN FAR ENOUGH FROM BOND RESTRICTIONS.
DOES THAT GO FOR ANY OFFICE THAT THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST FOR PARALEGALS? WE'VE NEVER WE'VE WE'VE UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE BETTER BE CAREFUL ABOUT WITH CERTIFICATIONS BECAUSE, AND WE'RE MAKING IT WHERE EVERYBODY COULD GO OUT AND GET SOME SORT OF RANDOM CERTIFICATION AND CLAIM AN EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CERTIFICATION.
NOW WHAT ASK IS ON YOUR SCREEN? I HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.
I JUST DIDN'T SCROLL DOWN FAR ENOUGH ORIGINALLY PUT THIS UP HERE.
I'M PRETTY SURE SHE DID THE PUBLIC FUNDS GROUP.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M DOING IT CALCULATING CORRECTLY.
IS THIS $2,000 GOING TO BE ADDED TO
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SALARY OR IS IT GOING TO BE A SUPPLEMENTAL PAY? OKAY.CERTIFICATION PAY HIS SALARY, RIGHT.
IT'S UP TO THE COURT TO APPROVE IT.
I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR, TO YOUR HIGHLIGHT.
CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE IT ON MY LIST.
MY, UH, MY GUT INSTINCT IS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO, I, I THINK WE NEED, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.
I THINK WE'D BETTER BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE CLAIM TO BE CERTIFIED FOR SOMETHING AND I THINK THIS COULD GET AWAY FROM US.
DO YOU ALL AGREE THAT SO I WOULD, MY, MY TAKE ON THAT IS NOT TO ADD THAT.
I JUST FIND MS. BRINGING IT FORWARD.
IS THAT WHAT I'M I KNOW YOU ARE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S MY, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE CONCERNED THAT, UH, THAT CARLA'S CLASS THAT SHE TOOK WOULD YOU GAVE HER A CERTIFICATION.
WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN THAT DOOR BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, WE COULD END UP WITH PEOPLE HAVING ALL KINDS OF CERTIFICATIONS AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY, WE THOUGHT OUR HR POLICY REALLY WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT PARALEGAL CERTIFICATION THAT HAD SOME SPECIFIC TITLES.
IT IS THE ONLY ONES THAT I KNOW OF IS PARALEGAL.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER ONE AGENCY PAY WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT CERTIFICATION YES.
CERTIFICATION, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN THAT, THAT BOAT HAS SAILED, BUT IT'S ONE PEACE OFFICER, WINE PEACE OFFICER TO WHATEVER IT IS THAT GOES THROUGH.
I PAID ON MASTER KNOWING, PAY ON THE BEGINNERS AND ADVANCED, I WANT ADVANCE MASTER BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A TON OF CERTIFICATIONS.
I MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, THE DISPATCHERS ALL GET DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, AND THERE'S PROBABLY NONE OF US THAT WORK IN ANY, NONE OF THE EMPLOYEES, THEY COULD ALL GET SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION.
ONE, THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH TAC OR WHOEVER.
MY PITCH TO JERRY IS NOT TO ADD THAT INTO THAT TREASURE.
I, I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF IT BECOMES A PERVASIVE PROBLEM, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO GET A PROPOSAL TO AMEND HR POLICY, TO, YOU KNOW, TO EITHER ADD OR WHAT HAVE YOU SOME SORT OF TITLED CERTIFICATION.
SO LAST THING I HAVE IS I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT ALL OF THE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT NEW TOWER.
IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY NORTH OF $2 MILLION AND I'M JUST GONNA TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY OF THE BUDGET, ANY SHORTFALL WE HAVE AFTER WE DO THIS LAST ROUND OF MATH, I'M GOING TO PLUG IT INTO FUND BALANCE PLUS A $500,000 IN CONTINGENCY AND YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 300,000 CONTINUES TO GO TO FIRE.
UH, AND, AND JUST, AND JUST TO STATE, JUST TO BE EVERYBODY BE REALLY CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT TAKING THE TOWER OUT OF NO.
WE'LL TAKE IT OUT OF FUND BALANCE AS REQUIRED.
AND JUST GET A REGULAR PO ALSO TOMORROW FOR COURT KNOW THAT YOU'LL GET, I SAW ON THE AGENDA THAT DOC'S OFFICE WILL BE HERE WITH THEIR CERTIFIED TAX ROW.
SO THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT GENERATE SOMETHING.
IT MIGHT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL, I'LL SEE WHAT THAT DOES MEAN.
ANY, ANY BEARING IT SHOULDN'T 5% IS 5%, BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SEE THE TAX ADJUSTMENT AS WELL.
THAT'S IT FROM HR THEN IT, FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE I PUT DOWN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THIS MEETING COMMISSIONER, PHYLLIS MOVED TO ADJOURN IS, OR SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER.
KATE'S DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.
THOSE OPPOSED TO NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
SO WE HAVE A VERY WONDERFUL MAN.