[ 1. To Discuss the Fiscal Year 2021-2022 Budget.]
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THIS WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE COFFIN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS CALLED ORDER AT TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 2021 AT 1:00 PM.
AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE ANNEX.
UM, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TODAY.
COMMISSIONER HUNT IS NOT WITH US AND, UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE WON'T GO TO THE SECOND ONE UNTIL WE FINISHED THE FIRST ONE.
YOU HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM, COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE FISCAL 2122 BUDGET.
AND JERRY, I DON'T KNOW THE SHERIFF, IF THE SHERIFF HAS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS WITH US.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST START THERE AND HE MAY ACTUALLY WANT TO GO DO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES LISTEN TO US TALK.
I THINK ANDREW ALWAYS LISTENING.
I HAVE ALL THE FUN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WORK.
WELL, WHAT I WAS DOING IS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, MAKE SURE.
AND I KNOW WHEN I STARTED LOOKING, I PULLED THE ONLINE DEAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CORRECT.
AND THERE'S A FEW PROBLEMS THERE.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I LAST PRESENTED MY BUDGET AND I TALKED TO ALL Y'ALL, EVERYTHING'S PRETTY GOOD, BUT THE RAISES AND ALL THAT I KNEW WAS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET.
AND THEN THAT THING, 2.1 MILLION, WE WAS LOOKING AT DOING IT NEXT YEAR AND DOING IT IN CONTINGENCY.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT.
SO WHEN I PULLED THE STUFF, I THINK WE'VE GOT A FEW ISSUES.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT CORRECT AND NOT WRONG.
UH, THE WAY IT'S IN THE POSTED BUDGET.
IF YOU LOOK AT A FINGERPRINT IN RIGHT, LET'S START WITH FIVE 60.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT 32 0 1, UH, ON THAT ASPECT OF IT, OH NO, YOU'RE TALKING FASTER THAN JERRY CAN TACK.
THAT'S THE CANCER, WHICH IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY NOT.
WHAT IS IT NOW? LET ME GO LOOK.
CAUSE WE STILL GOT OLD NUMBERS IN IT.
AND THE RIDE FINGERPRINTS WOULD BE NOW 43 TO 31, UH, IN THE POST TO WANT ME TO STILL HAS 40.
AND MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN I PRESENTED IT, IT WAS AT 75.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE GOT 25, 28, A VAST EXPIRE, THE BALLISTIC HELMET AND ALL THE STUFF WE NEEDED.
AND UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS GOOD.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M GOING BY WHAT IS POSTED TO THE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT.
SO I WILL MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT.
I'VE GOT IT AT 75,075, HUH? YES.
I JUST, MY DEAL IS I WON'T, I THINK WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT WHEN WE PUT IT OUT THERE, WE'LL MAKE SURE AROUND.
SAME THING WHEN WE GET TO 43 0 6, WHICH IS COMPUTER FORENSIC, WHICH IS NOW 44, 3 11.
THE NEW TIRES WE TO DO WAS PUT IN AT 1 24 94.
WELL, IT WAS POSTED ON THE POSTED BUDGET IS 86 TO 21.
UH, WHEN WE GET TO COMPUTER REPAIRS, UH, WHERE TO LET ME TRY TO FIND THE OLD NUMBER.
SO I'M TRYING TO COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AND REPAIRS.
UH, REMEMBER WE, I LOWERED THAT DOWN TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND IT IS SHOWING 1 17, 9 38.
WHAT? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WHAT'S WHAT'S THE NUMBER CODE? THAT THE ACCOUNT, THE ACCOUNT NUMBER IS 44 OR 5 30, 5 35.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY MOUSE WITH ME.
I'M JUST SAYING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING BACK WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN BACK.
IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
UH, WHEN YOU GET THE INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT ON 48 93, WHICH LET ME GO OVER HERE AND FIND, WHICH IS NOW 44, 8 37.
CAUSE IT'S SHOWING 10 HERE THAT Y'ALL SEE WHERE MY SCARY IS WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING OUT IN PUBLIC AND I'M LOOKING AT IT, I'M COMPARING MY NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT CRAZY THING WHERE WE HAVE TO POST THAT DRAFT BUDGET, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED ALREADY SINCE WE DID THAT.
THE SAME THING ON THE DRUG TESTING.
REMEMBER WE HAD TO FIX THAT CAUSE I CAN'T DO ALL THAT OVER THERE.
AND THE TESTING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
WE LOWERED THAT BACK, UH, TO 10,040.
IT WAS 15, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
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YES.AND THESE NEW NUMBERS ARE GETTING COURTEOUS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT.
YOU WANT TO GO TO JAIL? 5 61 OR 5 61? YES.
YEAH, I HAVE TO BACK OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND THEN THEY MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THIS PART IS Y'ALL GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST PUT IN 10 A NUMBER AND GO I'LL LEARN NAVIGATION PROBABLY LATER.
GIVE ME, JUST GIVE ME JUST A SECOND 1 61.
WELL, I, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND, I'D SAY THAT I'M THE BIGGEST BUDGET IN THE COUNTY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT.
UH, AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING A DUAL LENS BECAUSE WHEN I SEEN HIM, WE DIDN'T GIVE SOME MONEY BACK.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS WAS THE NUMBER YOU LEFT.
SO AT 5 61 TORCH THING, WE'LL LOOK AT HIS GROCERIES, WHICH IS 43, 3 34.
UH, IN, IN THE OTHER ONE IS FIVE 30 AND IT SHOULD BE FIVE 50.
THAT'S WHAT THE INCREASE OF FOOD.
AND WHAT I GAVE Y'ALL ON THE MEAL, 3 34, 3 30, 40, 30, 3 34 TO 34, GO TO THREE.
UH, THEN WE'LL THEN GO TO GARBAGE PICKUP, WHICH IS 44, 3 35.
IT'S SHOWING 20 AND IT SHOULD BE 32 32.
AND I JUST KIND OF FYI AND LOOK TRACK DEAL.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY HAS CHANGED TRASH COMPANIES.
YOU STILL, I COULD DO IT FOR 20.
I'M UP TO 32,000 NOW, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS IN A SMALLER DUMPSTER.
SO I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET OUT OF THAT AND GO TO THE COUNTY CONTRACT THAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S A LOT BETTER SERVICE AND A LOT CHEAPER.
SO I'M TRYING TO WORK ON THAT AND SEE IF I CAN GET THAT DONE IN THIS CONTEMPLATE.
I BELIEVE UNDER THE STATE LAW UNDER THE CDS HAVE, HAVE A CONTRACT, BUT IT'S KNOWING VOID FOR STATE AGENCIES AND CANNY AID DISEASE.
I THINK, WELL, IT'S A CITY ORDINANCE WE'RE IN THE CITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, BUT TO GET COUNSEL DO THAT, BUT I THINK I'VE GOT MY AVENUE WHY THEY WANT TO GET OUT.
UH, BECAUSE I DID SAY IF THIS DON'T WORK, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PASS THAT ON.
SO I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND MY POINT AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON AND FIND A GOOD AVENUE BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU IT'S TRASH, IT'S RIDICULOUS OUT THERE AND SMALLER DEAL.
AND HE'S COSTING A LOT MORE MONEY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN MY OPINION.
UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE MEDICAL CONTRACT, UH, THAT WAS ANOTHER BIG THING.
I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED AND IT IS 43 TO 11 AND IT, IT WAS AT 9, 9 0 5.
SO, UH, IT SHOULD BE 9 30, 6, 8 67 UNDERNEATH THE CONTRACT.
THIS STUFF GETS ME MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, UH, WHICH IS 44, 5, 360.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 1 33 OR 31.
UH, THE OTHER THING WAS, UH, I THINK 5,200 UNDER EQUIPMENT REPAIRS.
IT WAS 1 55 IN HERE, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE LOWERED IT TO ONE 14.
IT'S SHOWING MORE THAN 25 HERE.
CAUSE REMEMBER WE TOOK THIS ONE 14.
AH, THAT'S THAT ONE GO TO DISPATCH AND THEN GO TO DISPATCH PLEASE, SIR.
THIS IS THE ONE SHERIFF WHERE I MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT TO THAT TOWER.
THAT'S THE ONE Y'ALL TOOK 2.1 HOUR.
WE DID THAT CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE DONE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND UM, UM, UH, TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE, THE BIG THING IS COMPUTER EQUIPMENT IS IT'S DRYING.
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5 44.WHERE HE'S SHOWING NONE IN THE OTHER ONE.
UH, THE RADIO SYSTEM REPAIR, WHICH IS 48, 54 30 1000.
CAUSE IT ONLY SHOWING AND THE OTHER IS RADIO MAINTENANCE CONTRACT 2 66.
THAT'S IT? THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO YOU, SIR.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
LIKE I SAY, WHEN I PRINT STUFF OFF AND LOOK AT WHAT WE PUT THE PUBLIC, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TRUE AND CORRECT WHEN WE DID OUR NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM ME.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING WHAT HE GOT HURT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL RIGHT.
AND GIVING MONEY BACK AND PUT MONEY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, I MISSED ONE OF THE NON-PROFITS.
UM, WE MAILED THE LETTER TO THE WRONG PERSON, THE JUVENILE BOARD, JUVENILE.
I MEAN THE CHILD WELFARE CHILD WELFARE BOARD HAD A CHANGE IN BOARD MEMBER.
COURTNEY WORTHAM IS A NEW PRESIDENT.
SHE CALLED ME AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL WE'RE A GO.
THEY ASKED FOR, IT WAS 39,000 LAST YEAR.
I HAVE 39,000 AND THIS YEAR THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING NEW, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GO ON RECORD TO ASK THE COURT FOR OKAY.
FOR THE 39,000 FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE, THEY HAD THE SAME.
UM, I WANT TO GET CLARITY OF, OF OVERARCHING ON PAYROLL JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT AND ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THE WAY THAT WE'RE UPLOADING EVERYTHING INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO WE'VE HAD, I'LL GO THROUGH KIND OF THE, THE, THE RANGE OF WHAT WE'D DONE.
SO WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE THE CHANGE IN THE DEPUTY THAT WAS RAISING THAT BASE.
WE HAVE JUVENILE PROBATION, WHICH IS RAISING THEIR BASE.
SO THEY, THEY HAD PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, BASE RACES THAT ARE OUTSIDE.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 1%.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT, BUT THE EXPECTATION I THINK, AND I'M LOOKING FOR HEAD NODS, THE EXPECTATION ON JUVENILE PROBATION IS THAT THOSE RAISES ARE BASED ON INCREASED CHANGE IN JOB DESCRIPTION AND INCREASING RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND THE WAY I REMEMBER IT IS THE CHIEF SAID SHE WAS GOING TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE BUDGET IS POSTED, BUT SHE'S GOING TO UPDATE SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE MATCHING WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DOING.
YOU SAID SHE'D HAVE TO, SHE'D HAVE TO CLEAR THAT WITH HER BOARD.
AND SHE DOES, SHE DOES ON THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TO SCHEDULE THE BOARD MEETING, BUT SHE DOES HAVE TO CLEAR WITH THEM.
LET ME REDIRECT AS IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER.
SO ALL NEW POSITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF THE COURT WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ALL THE OTHER NEW POSITIONS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE JANUARY STARTS.
SO THAT PAY PERIOD THAT START DATE IS ONE, THREE OF 22.
THAT'S WHEN THAT START DATE IS TO HIT THAT PAY PERIOD.
AND THAT WAS GOING TO START, I'M GOING TO THINK THEY HAD DISTRICT ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY, BUT THEY HAD MONEY.
SO, SO WE HAVE OTHER PAY INCREASES THAT WENT OUT THERE.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE JUVENILE PROBATION, YOU HAVE THE 1% COLA ACROSS THE BOARD AND YOU HAD THE EVERGREEN STUDY, THE OTHER SIDE, THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF ALL THOSE.
IS THIS THE COURTS EFFECTIVE DATA, ALL THOSE AT TEN ONE.
THE ONLY THING IS JANUARY AS THOSE NEW POSITIONS, NEW POSITIONS.
SO HAVING SAID THAT WE'LL MAKE SOME SMALL ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR BUDGET.
WE'VE PICKED UP A LITTLE GROUND IN THAT COMMITTED FUND BALANCE JUST FROM, FROM BACK AND FORTH.
SO WE, UH, WHEN THE LAST TIME I WAS IN COURT, WE WERE AT TWO, FOUR.
WE NOW WE'RE AT TWO, ONE MAKING A FEW OF THESE ADJUSTMENTS.
I'LL PROBABLY LAND CLOSER BACK TO TWO, THREE.
SO, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE UP JUST A FEW ADJUSTMENTS.
CAUSE SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE INCREASES WERE MOVED TO JANUARY, BUT I WANTED TO GET CLARITY.
SO WE'LL MOVE THOSE BACK TO OCTOBER AND WE'LL GET ALL THAT CLEARED UP.
SO WE ARE A BALANCED BUDGET AT THIS POINT.
EVERY WE'VE GONE THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED.
I MADE THE FINAL ADJUSTMENT TO RODEN BRIDGE FROM THE LAST COURT, UH, THAT MATH, ONCE I PLUGGED IT ALL THROUGH MY ROUGH ESTIMATE HERE IN COURT, I SAID 1 62, 5, IT CAME OUT TO BE 1 73 AND SOME CHANGE.
I SPLIT IT AND PUT TWO POSITIONS INTO PRECINCT FOUR.
I PUT ONE POSITION INTO PRECINCT ONE, AND THEN I MADE A SMALL ADJUSTMENT COMMISSIONER, KATIE.
I JUST, I HAD TO ADJUST YOUR EXPENSES A LITTLE BIT.
SO I JUST SIMPLY ADJUSTED YOUR CONTINGENCY JUST A LITTLE BIT TO BALANCE YOU BACK OUT.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE COURT.
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I CAN, I CAN START MOVING THESE INTO APPROVAL AND THAT'LL THEN ROLL IT UP INTO A MASTER REPORT.BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO WORKSHOP.
I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN I'M STILL GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FLUX, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS PIECE.
WE'VE JUST MOVED INTO THESE BUILDINGS.
WE STILL GOT A LITTLE CHAOS GOING.
I COULD PUT IT ON A TUESDAY AGENDA INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF A TOMORROW AGENDA, BUT WE STILL HAVE NEXT TUESDAY.
SO WE DO NOT, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO MEET TOMORROW AND I NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT MESSAGE OUT.
I'LL GET THE HONOR TO PUT OUT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY NEEDS.
LET ME JUST ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION IN THE, AGAIN, NOT TO, NOT TO BE PROBLEMATIC, BUT UH, I KNOW WE CAME TO A ROW, YOU KNOW, A RESOLUTION ON RODEN BRIDGE, BUT, BUT, UH, THERE WAS STILL A QUESTION ABOUT CHANGES IN ROADS.
I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ALL GOING.
SO PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON LAST WEEK WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS, THEY WERE INCORRECT.
THERE WAS A CALCULATION PROBLEM.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M AT ONE 90.
ONLY OTHER THING WAS I THOUGHT THAT THE SENIOR CONNECT WAS GOING TO COME BACK.
I GAVE THAT I SPOKE WITH, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND I TOLD THEM THE DATES.
I ANNABEL TALKED TO, UH, TALK TO THEIR CHAIRMAN'S ASSISTANT AND SAID THAT WE WERE AVAILABLE AND SHE, THEY WEREN'T, IT WAS A QUESTION OF TODAY OR TOMORROW.
AND I SAID, THEY NEED TO MEET TODAY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S PRETTY GOOD LIKELIHOOD.
WE WON'T MEET ON THURSDAY, WHICH IS WORKING OUT TO BE TRUE.
SO THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE IT ON TUESDAY.
WE CAN PUT TUESDAY, WE CAN HAVE A, WE CAN HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
I WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THEM OUT BECAUSE SENIORS ARE VERY IMPORTANT SINCE I AM ONE, I'LL ADD AN ITEM.
I WANT TO CANNULATE THEM NEXT YEAR.
I SELECT TO KEEP THAT DISCUSS, CONSIDER JUST IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP.
WE WILL PUT WORKSHOP FIRST AND THEN WE'LL PUT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER, AND WE CAN ALWAYS PASS IT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, PUT IT ON THE TUESDAY AGENDA.
AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS HONOR DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AND WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS WITHOUT CONSIDERATION.
WELL, I THINK ONE THING ON THAT TOO, I THINK KEN MAY HAVE BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME ABOUT THIS.
UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING US SOMETHING TO KIND OF JUSTIFY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
CAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO, SINCE, I MEAN, AND UM, I'M, I'M A SENIOR TOO, SO I'M ALL FOR SUPPORTING OUR SENIORS.
I THINK IT'S, WHAT'S THAT I'M A JUNIOR SENIOR, RIGHT? UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY UNDERSTANDS THAT SENIOR CONNECT IS ALREADY OUR LARGEST GRANT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BY FAR OUR LARGEST GRANT AND UM, THAT, UH, THE, IF I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS OFFLINE ABOUT THIS, THE SECONDARY ASKS TO DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT IS MASSIVE.
THAT'S A HUGE, THAT'S A HUGE REQUEST.
AND SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE HISTORICAL FINANCIALS, PAYROLL STRUCTURE, ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
IF IN FACT THERE IS ADDITIONAL AND A CONTINUED ASK IN OUR LETTER, IN OUR LETTER TO NONPROFITS, INCLUDING THIS ONE, WE ASKED FOR, UM, WE ASKED FOR, UH, FOR THEIR BUDGET, THEIR FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND THEIR GOALS, WHAT THEIR GOALS WERE OTHERWISE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE THE MONEY FOR? AND WE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.
SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT, SO YOU READY FOR IT? I'M GOING TO JUST SAY, I WANT TO GET MAN OUT BEFORE HE GOT IN THE DOOR.
I GOT TO LOOK IN HIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS CORRECT BACK IN DISPATCH UNDERNEATH THE, WHAT IS THE NUMBER NOW GRANTED, UH, 43, 200 WILL BE FASTER THAN ME.
IT IS 43, 243, 200, 275, 8 55.
LET'S SAY GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS
WELL THAT MONEY DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.
WE HAVE NO, THE ONLY CAPITAL OUT PROJECT WE HAD WAS THE 2.1 THAT WE PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THERE'S THAT WENT OUT AS WELL.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ZEBRA.
I MEAN, CAUSE WE PUT SOME MORE MONEY.
IS THAT, IS THAT NOW CURVATURE AND CORRECT? WE SAID WE WAS GONNA TAKE THAT 2.2 AND WE ARE MOVING THE TUBE.
WE ARE, I LEFT YOUR BASE IN THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD COST.
NO, BUT WHAT I PROVIDED YOU IS
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EXACTLY WHAT I SAID AND I HAVE NO OTHER CAPITAL OUTLINE FOR THAT.WHAT I'LL DO WHILE WE'RE HERE, I'LL JUST ZERO THIS OUT.
SO THIS WILL BE MINUS 75, 8, 5, 5.
THAT NIGHT NUMBER IS ENTERED THE ZERO TO DOUBT.
I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T LIKE FLUSHING BUDGET.
THE OTHER THING IS KIND OF THE DEPUTY DEAL.
WHAT DID WE MAKE THE DECISION ON THAT WE'VE RAISED? IT JUST RAISES YOUR BASE TO JUST SO WE MOVED IT ALL WHITE THROUGH THE RANKS.
CAUSE THAT'S WHY I PRESENTED IT IN THAT MONEY AMOUNT.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
AND I'M NOT HERE TO THROW KINKS IN THE PROBLEM, BUT ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, WHICH LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICE YOU SAY WHEN I CHANGED THAT BASE PAY THE REASON I HAVE MY STEPS IN BETWEEN CAUSE PEOPLE DOES DIFFERENT JOBS, ALWAYS WHEN I'VE HAD A DEPUTY PAY.
WHEN I HAVE FTOS THAT DOES ALL OF OUR TRAINING, THEY MADE $2,200.
WE ESTABLISHED THAT ABOUT MY FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE TO GIVE THAT RANK IN BETWEEN.
WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT TO $900.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL GET AN MTO LOOK HELL'S, AIN'T NOBODY GOING TO TAKE ON THE LIABILITY.
THEY TAKE ON THE LIABILITY OF FOLLOWING WITH OUR RULES, TEACHING THEM WHAT THEY DO.
AND THEN WHEN IT GOES DOWN, THEY'RE THE ONES GOING TO GET CALLED TO COURT ON HIS TRAIN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ME.
IF WE DON'T DO IT THROUGH THE RANK, LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE AND KEEP MY SEPARATIONS, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ME A NIGHTMARE.
SO BRIAN ARE FTOS OR CORPORALS.
I FELT WE TIE THAT'S THE TITLE OF THEM.
SO, SO HOW MUCH MORE DOES A CORPORAL MAKE THAN A STANDARD DEPUTY 24, 20 $400.
YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AT THAT? OR I JUST LIKE TO GET, I WANT TO KEEP MY RANK STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, WE WE'VE MADE THAT THROUGH THAT AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S HELPED ME IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT TO KEEP AN EFFECT OF THAT IS A THREE, 3% RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR YOUR WORKFORCE, BUT NOBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, I'M WITH YOU, BUT I, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND MY HEADACHES THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE.
WELL, THE OTHER THING I GUESS YOU COULD DO, AND I KNOW THIS PLACE BEING THE SAME AS AGAINST YOU CUT OUT THE 15, BRO.
WHAT RAISED IT AT THE 50 FOR THE NEW HIRE? NO, THAT'S IF I LIKE SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE A YEAR, I KNOW THAT WALKING IN THE DOOR, MAKING MORE MONEY THAN THEY ARE.
WHAT I, I, I THINK I AT LEAST FLOATED THIS LAST TIME.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT KIND OF SUPPLEMENT IS, IS MORE CORRECTLY ADDRESSED.
UM, IN A SAME, IN A SIMILAR FASHION THAT YOU, UH, ADDRESS PROFICIENCY PAY.
SO IF THIS IS, UH, AN ADDED SPECIAL, UH, CAPABILITY THAT THESE PEOPLE BRING TO THE TABLE THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE, UM, RATHER THAN A BASE PAY ADJUSTMENT, THAT OUGHT TO BE, UH, JUST LIKE WE JUST LIKE WE, UH, HAVE APPROVED, UM, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, PARALEGAL, PROFICIENCY PAY OR HR, UH, CERTIFICATION, CERTIFICATION PAY.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THAT STRUCTURE OF A CORPORAL THAT'S AN FTL.
WELL, NO, YOU YOU'VE ADDRESSED IT IN BASE PAY, NOT AS A, AND IS THERE, IS THERE A, IS THERE AN, I DON'T KNOW THIS QUESTION CAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE STAYED OFFICER, BUT IS THERE LIKE A, IS THERE A CERTIFICATION? DOES YOUR FTOS HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF STATE CERTIFICATION? IT'S A, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LICENSING OR SOMETHING.
AND WE JUST HAVE A CERTAIN WAY.
THERE'S ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE.
SO THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE, THERE'S ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN MY MIND, A BETTER, A MORE DIRECT, UH, ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DUTY.
AND THAT ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATION WOULD BE A CERTIFICATION TYPE PAY AS OPPOSED TO, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD BASE PAY.
AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
I'M ALL FOR THAT AND YOU DO IT, BUT THEN YOU MOVE THAT FTO REALLY CLOSE TO THE SERGEANT THAT HAS A DIFFERENT JOB.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE STRUCTURES AND ALL THIS STUFF AND FOR YEARS, AND WE'RE HERE FOR SPOTS.
LET ME JUST, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK AT FIRST AND B FOR WHATEVER REASON, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IN THIS, IT SEEMED LIKE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT THAT $50,000 FOR, TO HIRE SOMEBODY THAT $50,000 WAS LIKE A MAGICAL NUMBER.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT, WHEN I DECIDED WHEN MY DECISION WAS IMPORTANT, $50,000, IT WAS TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.
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UM, I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S FAIR FOR THIS BIG BODY OF FOLKS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO GET A 3% RAISE WHEN ALL OVER.I MEAN, WE'RE ALL, EVERYBODY'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, EVERYBODY ELSE, OTHER THAN ELECTED ARE GETTING A ONE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THAT'S MY, YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE EVERGREEN STUDY, WHATEVER WE, IF WE LOOKED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT TOO, AND WHICH I PROVIDED YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION WHERE WE STANDING, WHAT OR WE'RE DOING, BUT STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'VE GOT TO LOOK OUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M HERE AND YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO GIVE EVERYTHING EVERYBODY.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WANTS OUR EMPLOYEES TO GET A RIDE.
AND I THINK WE'RE STILL, I'VE GOT TO TRY AND MAKING IT FAIR THROUGH MY RANKS AND MY PEOPLE TO GET THAT THERE, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU TODAY, PEOPLE ARE STILL LOOKING.
I JUST LOST ONE TO UNIVERSITY PARK, ONE BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS.
SO FOR ME, WELL, A LOT OF FACTORS ABOUT RETENTION AND IN THAT GROUP, IT'S NOT ALL JUST TIED TO DOLLARS.
AND THAT'S, AND EVEN TALKING TO HIM, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY HE'S LEAVING IS YES, IT'S MONEY.
CAUSE I ALWAYS INTERVIEW ANYBODY THAT I LEAVE.
THAT LEAVES HERE WITH FIVE YEARS OR MORE, THE REASON WHY.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY GET PAID OVERTIME.
HIS WIFE DON'T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD.
I CAN SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE KIDS AND YOU BLAME A MAN FOR DOING THAT FOR HIS FAMILY.
FIRST MONTH THEY GET PAID REAL, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME.
WE'RE GIVING THEM A COUPLE TIMES.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE PROBLEM I'M GOING TO HAVE AND WELL, WELL, WE'LL BE BACK NEXT.
WELL, ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER AND I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS.
I AM A LITTLE BIASED OF COURSE, BECAUSE MY BACKGROUND IS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HAD SAME SITUATION WHERE I WORKED AND UM, I MEAN, THE JOB IS DIFFERENT.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING THEY DESERVE MORE MONEY THAN ANYBODY, BUT THEY DO.
WELL THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT.
YEAH, I AM SAYING THAT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, A DEPUTY OUT THERE TAKING CALLS, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE NEXT ONE'S GOING TO BE, HAVING TO WEAR A GUN TO DEFEND HIMSELF.
IF HE NEEDS TO AND US SITTING BEHIND THE DESK AND ANSWERING THE PHONE ALL DAY, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY DO.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, IF YOU DON'T PAY THESE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THEIR, WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEIR RANK IS, WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, HE'S TALKING TO PEOPLE TO KEEP THEM, HE'S GOING TO HAVE FTL WAS DROPPING LIKE FLIES ON HIM.
AND I COULDN'T BLAME THEM A BIT FOR IT BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT IS A HELL OF A RESPONSIBILITY.
CAUSE I DID IT FOR MANY YEARS AND YEAH, I GOT CALLED TO COURT WHEN SOMEBODY SCREWED UP AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN MY DAILY OBSERVATION REPORTS ON THIS GUY.
IT'S A LOT TO PUT ON SOMEBODY, BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT THEY'VE GOT DOING IT THEY'VE VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT POSITION BECAUSE THEY WANT BETTER OFFICERS OUT THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, YEAH, I'M GONNA TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP, I AM BIASED ABOUT IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND I WOULD REALLY THINK IF WE TOOK A POLL OF MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
WELL, I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT.
I AGREE THAT THAT, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S COMPENSABLE, BUT I THINK AS A, AS A SEPARATE SALARY SUPPLEMENT, NOT AS A BASE PAY ADJUSTMENT ACROSS THE BOARD AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE IT'S TOUGH TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY, NO, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SAY NO, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY THIS MUCH MONEY AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE REASON $3 MILLION INTO THIS CURRENT BUDGET TO FUND OUR BUDGET.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY, SINCE I SAT IN THIS CHAIR AND I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE, I THINK PRETTY, PRETTY, CERTAINLY AGREES THAT WE NEED TO BE ON A FIVE-YEAR STRATEGIC PLANNING CYCLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO BE EFFECTIVE WHEN WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE ON A YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR BASIS, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PLAN FOR THAT.
AND, AND YOU WIND UP IN THE SITUATION WE'RE IN TODAY, WHICH IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY, 170 TO 190,000 VOTERS.
DON'T WANT US TO TAKE ANY MORE TAX OUT OF THEIR HIDE.
UH, RYAN, YOU KNOW, VERY WELL.
I'M A 35 YEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT VETERAN.
AND I WILL SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THEIR JOB IS DIFFERENT, BUT MORE IS EXPECTED AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S WHEN EQUAL PART OF THE JOB, UM, JUST LIKE TRUTHFULLY, UH, NOT TO BELABOR ANCIENT OR, OR RECENT HISTORY, BUT MORE IS EXPECTED OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW ME YET, I HELPED YOU WITH THE STEP PAGE AGAIN, MAN.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I GOT THIS CONCERN.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR DECISION, DECIDE.
SO IT GOES, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE PROBLEM THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M THE POLICE OFFICER WITH THE BUDGET.
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ARE THOSE FTOS GOING TO BE DROPPING FROM 2,400 TO $900? THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE GETTING 1% INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF THEY'RE NOT DROPPING AND THEY'RE STILL 24 HEAD, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE.EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT GETS 1% EXCEPT FOR THE ONES WHO WERE RAISED ON THE BASE.
THEY GET, THEY GET THE BASE RAISE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I'M WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
I'LL JUST, I WANT Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND THE CONCERN FOR PROVIDING LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COUNTY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO RETAIN PEOPLE.
HAVE YOU EVER, AND THEN YOUR NUMBERS ON ALL YOUR THOUGHTS DOING ONE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO SEE WHAT THE D SO NUMBER, WHEN I PRESENTED IT TO YOU, I PRESENTED YOU THAT WAY YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TAPE 300 AND WHATEVER SOMETHING THOUSAND I TOLD YOU WAS FROM THE TOP OR FROM THE BOTTOM, ALL THE WAY TO THE SECOND TO KEEP MY RANK STRUCTURE EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I PRESENTED IT.
SO WHERE ARE WE IN THE NUMBER I GAVE YOU? WHERE ARE WE AT NOW WITH THAT NUMBER? I DON'T HAD, I'D HAVE TO SEE THE SHEET.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SHEET TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THAT FIRST SHEET WAS 360 7.
I WANT TO SAY THAT THE, THAT THE 3% OR THE, JUST THE BASE ALONE WAS WE'LL NEED TO CHISEL THAT OUT OF THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN LOOK AT 1% EVERYWHERE ELSE.
I HAVE TO GET THAT FROM BRANDON.
I CAN SEE THAT A HUNDRED FIFTY SIX, SEVEN FIFTY ONE, AND THAT INCLUDED EVERYTHING.
SO HOW'S, I HAD THEM RUN THE NUMBERS.
SO, BUT THAT'S ALL MY CONCERN.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE IT.
LET'S REMEMBER, HE JUST GAVE US BACK ALMOST $76,000 MORE QUINOA TOO.
WE'LL TAKE IT OUT OF JURIES NOW.
I'M MAKING MOST OF THE JOURNALISTS MAYBE, OR WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION.
NO, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, JASON.