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EVERYBODY I'VE EVER MADE.YOU GET EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
EVERYBODY CALM DOWN A MINUTE WHERE
[Call to Order ]
WE'RE HERE IN THE CORN TODAY TO HAVE A REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING HERE.AND THEN ON THE MAY 17TH, 2022 AT 9:00 AM.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE NORMAL THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS DO.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN IMMIGRATION AND COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONED.
KATE SAID THAT HE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBER SAID THAT HE WOULDN'T DO THE PLEDGE AND WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I THINK HE HAS COVID ISSUES AND HE HAD, UH, THE CHILDREN WITH IN HOUSTON OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, IF EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE AND WE'LL MOVE ON WITH COURT BUSINESS.
JUST PRAY WITH ME THIS MORNING.
THERE ARE, WE COME TO YOU HUMBLY THIS MORNING, ASKING YOUR BLESSINGS ON OUR COUNTY, OUR STATE, OUR COUNTRY, AND OURSELVES, AND ALL THOSE GATHERED HERE TODAY.
LORD, WE APPRECIATE SO MUCH THE BOUNTY THAT WE ENJOY IN THIS NATION.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON ALL OF OUR CITIZENS ON OUR LEADERS.
UH, WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE, THE SITUATION IN OUR WORLD.
WE PRAY FOR A DAY OF PEACE AND, AND RESOLUTION TO CONFLICT.
WE ALSO ASK LORD THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US TODAY AS WE MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, WE GIVE OUR THANKS FOR THE MANY, MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE ALL ENJOY HERE EVERY DAY IN YOUR NAME.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, PLEASE.
ROUTINE CORRESPONDENT, MIAMI ROUTINE CORRESPONDS.
I WANT TO SAY, ALRIGHT, DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY
[2. CONSENT AGENDA ]
MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.DOES ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ANYTHING? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR IT.
I'LL SECOND IT SECOND FROM THE OTHER PERSON THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY EASIER TODAY.
[15. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approval of TNP Task Order #23: Engineering Assistance for Amendments to Kaufman County Subdivision and Land Development Regulations. ]
I NEED TO MOVE NUMBER 16 UP CAUSE SHE HAS A COURT APPEARANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING MONIQUE HUNTER UP, WHICH ONE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE.NUMBER 16 AND RAYMOND SMITH UP ON, ON THIS ITEM, THE DISCUSSING IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF LARSON'S STATION OF TIMELINING EXTENSION FOR THE ROADMAP AND THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SUPPORT AND TASK ORDER.
ACTUALLY I NEED, UM, NUMBER 15.
LET'S CHANGE IT TO 15 AND DISCUSS THE TNP TASK ORDER.
NUMBER 23 IN THE ASSISTANCE FOR THE AMENDMENTS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION AND LAND REGULATIONS.
WHAT WE HAVE IS A TASK ORDER FROM TNP.
THIS FALLS WITHIN THEIR ORIGINAL SCOPE OF THE CONSULTING ENGINEERING CONTRACT.
THIS WILL BE FOR, UM, ANY AMENDMENTS TO OUR EXISTING SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACT WITH FRIESEN, NICHOLS HAS CONCLUDED DUE TO US BEING IN POSSESSION OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, SENT A LETTER MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE CONTRACT IS COMPLETE.
UM, I KNOW INITIALLY TMP WILL BE WORKING ON THE RV PARK AND USABLE SPACE AND SOME OTHER CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD ALONG THE WAY.
I HAVE CHECKED THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE ON THEM.
WE'VE ONLY EXPENDED IN HAVING ENCUMBERED ABOUT 28%.
SHE DID DO AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED FOR THIS FIRST FEW MONTHS, WHICH WILL GET US THROUGH OCTOBER ONE OF 25,000, WHICH IS WITHIN THE REMAINING BALANCE OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
SO, AND IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO GET STARTED ON LINUX PROJECTS.
WE NEED THIS TO BE A LIVING, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP ABREAST OF ALL THE CHANGES AND THE CONSTANT AMENDMENTS TO THIS REGULATION NEEDS TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE WHO, WHO HAS THAT EXPERTISE.
UH, THEY ARE GOING TO HYPERLINK IT.
SO IT STILL REMAINS A DOCUMENT WHERE YOU CAN HYPERLINK THROUGH IT.
UM, AND THEY ARE THE ONES DOING OUR REVIEWS AND THEY'VE SEEN SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.
AND SO THIS JUST WORKED OUT IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
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THAT'S ALL WE GOT.AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT THIS WAS A, THIS WAS CERTAINLY, UH, UH, IDENTIFIED AS, UH, AS A NEED HERE IN THE COUNTY, BY OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OFFICES AND MONIQUE, I COMMEND YOU FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THAT.
IT IS QUITE A CHORE TO TRY TO, UH, ADDRESS ALL THE LITTLE INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP, PARTICULARLY AS THIS COUNTY AND ITS POPULATION EXPLODES AND IT DEVELOPS, UH, AND THE, THE CHANCE THAT, UH, DESPITE OUR BEST INTERNAL EFFORTS THAT WE MIGHT MISS, UH, SOMETHING, UH, THAT MIGHT INVALIDATE SOME OF THE COUNTIES AUTHORITIES OR BECOME MORE CONFUSING TO, TO THE DEVELOPERS, UH, I THINK IS ADDRESSED HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBARA AND I, AND, UH, AND YOUR OFFICE, UH, AS WELL AS OUR ENGINEERS, UH, UH, I THINK CAME TO A GOOD, GOOD RESOLUTION HERE WITH, WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH MAKING THIS A PROFESSIONAL ONGOING REVIEW SO THAT OUR SUBDIVISION RIGS SERVE BOTH THE NEEDS OF OUR DEVELOPING COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE NEEDS OF COUNTY, UH, UH, ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING AS WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS WAS, UM, JUST ANOTHER IN THE CONTINUING EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COUNTY STAYS REALLY ON THE CUTTING EDGE AND, UH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT OTHER COUNTIES OPERATE.
SO, SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
SO I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM KEN KATES.
AND WE HAVE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AYE, MOTION PASSES.
[3. Commissioner Cates/Jed Allsup; Discuss/Consider authorizing Memorial Day Firework Sales. ]
THAT WILL MOVE US ON TO NUMBER THREE.THE NUMBER THREE COMMISSIONER CATES HAS PUT THIS ON HERE, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING MEMORIAL DAY FIREWORKS.
BUT I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO MAKE A LITTLE STATEMENT HERE, ACCORDING TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
AND ACCORDING TO THE STATE OF TEXAS LAWS, WE CAN'T VOTE ON THIS PAST MAY 15TH.
UH, WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO BRING IT UP.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THAT'S FAIR.
WE DON'T MIND YOU TALKING ABOUT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT, THAT COMMISSIONER, I JUST ADD THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SELLING YOU THAT YOU, YOU CAN SPEAK, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST, I JUST ADD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AWARE THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, STATUTORY DATE PASSED THAT'S ON THE 15TH OF MAY.
UH, BUT AFTER DISCUSSION WITH JUDGE RICHARDS, WE FELT LIKE THAT THE COMMUNITY STILL OUGHT TO HAVE THEIR FINAL OPPORTUNITY HERE TO SPEAK AND MAKE THEIR VOICE KNOWN.
I THINK, UH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES ALREADY.
UH, UH, I'LL ALSO COMMENT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A, MY PERCEPTION AT LEAST WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT MUCH SUPPORT AT THE COMMISSIONER COURT LEVEL FOR FIREWORKS APPROVAL DURING THIS PARTICULAR HOLIDAY SEASON, DURING MEMORIAL DAY.
BUT, UH, MY OFFICE HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND THE BUSINESS OWNER.
SO AFTER DISCUSSION WITH JUDGE RICHARDS, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN PUT ON AS A DISCUSS ITEM, BUT AFTER SPEAKING WITH JUDGE RICHARDS, WE FELT IT WAS, UH, A VALID, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO LET THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UH, AT LEAST ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
SO THAT WE'D BE, HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY.
MA'AM YOU COME UP? THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND MAY 15TH IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, FOR THE, THAT WE CAN'T SELL FARMERS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, BUT THERE'S IN OUR COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FAR BANS IN THE MOMENT.
THINGS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, APPLIED DIDN'T MAKE THE DECISION THAT NO, WE CAN'T BE FIREWORKS.
ALSO THERE'S CERTAIN FIREWORKS LOCKED IN MISSILES ROCKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE COURT HAS TO TELL US, NOT THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT OR NOT DO IT AT ALL, YOU KNOW? UM, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IF YOU READ THAT REALLY CAREFULLY, WHEN I FIRST READ IT, I SAID, OH, WELL IT WAS PAST THE DUE DATE, BUT THEN I FOUND OUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.
I'M JUST GOING BY, BY SURVIVOR OUR LAWYERS AND, AND THE DA'S OFFICE.
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OF READ IT IN, IN KIND OF THE SAME MANNER, BUT THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM AND THEY BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE, THE, ON THE, I REMEMBER BACK WHEN BROOKS WOOD WAS HERE AND WHEN THE COURT AND, AND WE DID IT AND YOU CAME AND SPOKE AND, AND, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE SAID, WE'D DO IT YEARLY.WE'VE WE KEEP DOING IT YEARLY.
AND THIS YEAR, EVERYBODY, AND I GUESS THEY'RE STILL EVEN DISCUSSING IT.
BUT, UH, THE FIRST THINGS I DID WHEN I WENT TO PHONE THE OTHER DAY, UM, I HAVE MY FIRST QUESTIONS.
JUDGE, COULD WE BRING THE BARBARA CELLS MEMORIAL DAY OR NOT? YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN VOTED.
NOBODY WANTS TO DO, BUT HE, HE TOLD ME, YES, IT CAN BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT IN VOTING ALL THREE HOLIDAYS.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A, LIKE A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
JUST LET ME BE PUT ON TO TALK ABOUT FIREWORKS.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING A LAWYER, TOOK TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
YOU'RE THE CLOSEST TO US IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THE LAW FOR THAT WAS PUTTING IN, I TALKED TO CHUCK ALLEN, HE'S THE STATE AND INSTIGATOR FOR INSPECTIONS.
AND HE TOLD, HE TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IT UP AGAIN.
I GUARANTEE YOU, IF I'D BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, WHEN THEY ASKED FOR ALL THREE HOLIDAYS, I WOULD'VE SAID NO ALSO, BUT WE IN THIS COUNTY UNTIL THIS LAST TIME, WE'D NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT MADE SENSE.
AND HAVING THE POWER, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S VERY GREAT TO SHUT DOWN A PERSON'S BUSINESS.
HE SAID THE LAW OF POWER, I TAUGHT ALSO TO THE CHESTER DAVIS, WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE TEXAS ARTICULATES OF TEXAS.
HE TOLD ME THE LAW NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
YOU SAID, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
IT IS THE CLOSEST GOVERNMENT TO US THAT KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT HERE.
WE HAVE TO EVEN BOTHER YOU GUYS.
CAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL GOT A LOT OF FISH FRY AND UH, BUT WE DO.
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST THAT HOLIDAY BLACK, WE HAVE SINCE 2017 AND ALL THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, I DON'T THINK ANY OFFICER WOULD SAY, JUST LIKE ANY FIRE MARSHALL WOULD SAY, I CONDONE FIREWORKS.
Y'ALL JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T EVEN EXPECT THAT AT ALL.
I AM ASKING THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THE POWER THAT YOU HAVE TO SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, LIKE ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTY.
WE, UH, WE ARE GETTING SHUT DOWN AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING THAT'S PUTTING TOWARDS THAT EXCEPT YOU'RE HANDED, BUT WHO ISN'T THESE DAYS, YOU DON'T SHUT UP A PERSON'S BUSINESS.
I HOPE YOU, I HOPE YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.
WHAT POWER YOU HAVE REFERENCED ME.
I DON'T SEE SHE BANKER HAVING A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN BECAUSE SHE'S PROBABLY NOT GETTING RECORDED ON ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID THEN ANDY SALT, I LIVE HERE IN COMPLEMENT, TEXAS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE OF HOW THE LAW EXACTLY READS EITHER.
AND I LEFT HERE LAST TUESDAY, PRETTY DEFLATED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY BEEN DOING THIS WITH Y'ALL FOR SIX YEARS NOW AND YOU KNOW, HADN'T BEEN ANY BIG ISSUES.
UM, I KNOW THE FIRE MARSHALL REPORTED ON CALLS.
UM, THE LAST MEETING, WHICH IN 2016, THE POPULATION OF COPLAND COUNTY WAS JUST UNDER 112,000 PEOPLE.
AND 2021, IT WAS RIGHT AT 160,000 PEOPLE.
SO I MEAN WITH GROWTH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CALLS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT SHOWS FOR A LOT OF IT, I'M SPEAKING ON RATHER IT'S TOO LATE TO VOTE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
LIKE I SAID, I LEFT PRETTY DEFLATED LAST, UH, TUESDAY, UM, WAS READY TO JUST GRIN AND BEAR IT.
BUT THEN I FOUND OUT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AGAIN.
AND ME AND MY BROTHER OWN OUR BUSINESS TOGETHER AND BEEN, YOU KNOW, GAVE EVERYTHING WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS TO BUILD OUR BUSINESS.
AND SO I ACTUALLY, I WAS IN HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED AND I STEPPED OUT BECAUSE I GOT A PHONE CALL AND IT WAS SERGEANT JAMES LEHMAN, WHICH IS AN INSPECTOR FOR THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE CALLED ME BACK BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW, BECAUSE I HAD HEARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW DOES THE RULE READ HOW? AND HE TOLD ME JUST 20 MINUTES AGO THAT IT'S A COUNTY BY COUNTY BASIS.
AND IF WE GOT A VOTE TO DO MEMORIAL DAY FIREWORKS CELLS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, THAT WE COULD DO FIREWORKS CELLS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME 20 MINUTES AGO.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DIG INTO IT MORE LEGALLY.
I KNOW Y'ALL, CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
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BUT LIKE MARY SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS HOLIDAY PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER US IS GOING TO BRING US TO OUR KNEES.AND WE ONLY HAVE THREE HOLIDAYS A YEAR.
I LIVE RESIDE AND DO BUSINESS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
I PAY OVER $40,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT ONE OF THE THREE HOLIDAYS WE HAVE IS DETRIMENTAL TO ME.
AND I JUST APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF IT'S LEGAL FOR Y'ALL TO VOTE ON IT.
THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, IT STILL DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE OUTCOME'S GOING TO BE, BUT IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA, I I'VE GOTTA BE HERE AND DO WHAT I CAN TO FIGHT FOR IT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHAT I HAVE TO DO, BUT JUST KIND OF NOT BE SO THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, CHARLIE, WHO, WHO ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? I'M NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION IF YOU JUST WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT IT.
WELL, UM, SHIRLEY SESSLER, I'VE BEEN IN THE FIREWORKS BUSINESS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY FOR UH, 30 PLUS YEARS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS ALL CAUGHT US OFF GUARD BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT.
WE ARE IN, UH, THE PROBLEM NOW WITH SHIPMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO ORDER A HEAD LIKE A YEAR AHEAD, GETTING A YES OR NO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT IN FRONT OF A HOLIDAY, DOESN'T HELP US SO MUCH.
WE'VE ALREADY ORDERED FOR IT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
WE TALKED TO THE FIRE MARSHALL LAST WEEK.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH US AS A BUSINESS.
THE THING THAT'S CONCERNED ME ABOUT THIS, UH, THE LAWS SET ASIDE, WE'RE SPEAKING OF THE LAW THIS WEEK, BUT LAST WEEK I HEARD A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY BELONG IN A COURT OF LAW OR OUR CONSIDERATION OF THE LAW.
UH, MY SISTER AND I WERE TALKING, IT'S JUST LIKE THE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ALL OF US.
AND WE GO TO OUR CHURCHES AND WE, WE CELEBRATE WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
AND THEN WE GO DO SANTA CLAUS.
WE EASTER, THE DEATH OF, OF CHRIST.
WE GO TO CHURCH AND THEN WE DO EASTER EGG HUNTS AND RABBITS AND WHATEVER.
AND THIS IS LIKE THE MEMORIAL WEEKEND, A WOMAN THAT, UH, HAS SHOPPED WITH ME EVERY YEAR AS A SON DIED IN AFGHANISTAN.
AND SHE BUYS FIREWORKS BECAUSE SHE SAID, I WANT TO CELEBRATE WHO HE WAS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WHY HE DIED.
UH, I GO TO THE SERVICES AND STUFF, BUT WHEN WE GET TOGETHER WITH OUR BARBECUE AND STUFF, WE WANT TO CELEBRATE, YOU KNOW, HIS LIFE, JUST LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO AT FUNERALS.
NOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SOMBER, UH, SERVICE THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD.
AND, UM, IT CONCERNED ME LAST WEEK WHEN I HEARD SO MANY OPINIONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS BUSINESS OWNERS, LIVELIHOODS, THAT'S AN OPINION OF WHETHER THAT'S RIGHT OR NOT.
IF IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR YOU, YOU DON'T DO IT, BUT YOU DON'T SHUT A BUSINESS DOWN.
THE LIQUOR STORES ARE OPEN ON MEMORIAL.
IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DRINK AT A FUNERAL? UH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED.
IT'S A SOMBER OCCASION REMEMBERING OUR SERVICE PEOPLE, BUT IT DOESN'T BELONG IN A DECISION ABOUT, UH, OUR BUSINESSES.
SO THIS BOTH COMMISSIONERS, HOW ARE, Y'ALL GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN? YEAH.
THREE STRIKES I'M OUT, I GUESS.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE, IS THERE ANY SORT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE, ON, ON THE VOTE OR THE NO VOTES? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST SAYING, SOMEONE SAID, THIS IS THERE.
SO IS THERE BLACK AND WHITE? CAN WE SEE IT TODAY? I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR ATTORNEY, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY THIS.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ANY OF THE POLICY ISSUES, BUT JUST STRICTLY THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT.
AND SO, UM, BASICALLY WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE RESEARCH, BUT WE ALSO RELY ON OUR TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNSEL HAS, UM, TEXAS ASSOCIATES, ASIAN OF COUNTIES HAS COUNSEL THAT, THAT WE ALSO
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RELY ON.AND SO, UM, IF THE COURT DECIDES TO PERMIT THE SALE OF THE MEMORIAL DAY PERIOD, THAT THAT HAS TO BE AN ORDER THAT'S ADOPTED BEFORE MAY 15TH.
AND THAT, UM, COMES FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 3 52 DASH DASH A 0.051 THAT A STATUTE AS A WHOLE.
SO THAT'S THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND THAT'S THE GUIDANCE THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN GIVEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAY 15TH DEADLINE COMES FROM.
ANYTHING THAT IS STATUTORY, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED BY THE LEGISLATURE.
SO, UM, AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT, UM, CAN NOT CHANGE THE CHANGE THAT DEADLINE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, STATUTE OF THE COUNTY LEVEL.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING, UM, THAT CONSTITUENTS SHOULD REALIZE IS A STATE STATUTE.
AND IT CAN BE CHANGED BY THE TEXAS STATE LEGISLATION.
THERE'S NOTHING GONNA BE DONE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S NOT SO VERY UNFORTUNATE.
UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE.
UM, STARTED A LOT OF HOMEWORK.
UM, UH, IT WAS PRETTY DISAPPOINTING.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT POLITICS OUT OF MONEY FOR OUR FAMILIES.
UM, I'M PRETTY DISAPPOINTED, BUT I S I STILL HAVE SOME WORDS TO SAY, I'M GOING TO SAY THEM ANYWAYS.
UM, I WANNA APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR LETTING ME TAKE UP YOUR TIME, UM, ALL THESE TIMES.
UM, I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE, UM, MR. CATES, THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS JOHNNY ON THE SPOT WITH RETURNING MY EMAILS AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, UM, AS A BUSINESS MEMBER IN YOUR DISTRICT, UH, YOU KNOW, GODSPEED AND GOOD LUCK ON THE UPCOMING ELECTION.
UM, WELL TODAY I WAS ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE AND APPROVAL FOR, FOR SMALL FAMILY BUSINESSES TO BE OPEN MEMORIAL DAY HOLIDAY, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE OURS AND MANY OTHERS ARE THE BACKBONE OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE SPONSORED LITTLE LEAGUE BALL, FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA, LOCAL PTA'S BOOSTER CLUBS, SCHOOL SPORTS, AND MUCH, MUCH MORE.
OUR FAMILY'S SMALL BUSINESS, UM, HAS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY DONATED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO FORNEY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS TO, UH, TO US.
UM, WE SPONSOR MANY CHURCH PROGRAMS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, UM, AND, AND ALL DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIP LEVELS.
UM, EVERY OPPORTUNITY OPEN HELPS SUPPORT OUR STAFF, UH, FAMILY AND OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SMALL FAMILY IMPACTS ALL OF THE FOLKS IN THIS COURTROOM TODAY.
UM, SMALL BUSINESS MAKES UP 50% OF ALL BUSINESSES.
UM, COUSIN'S PAINTBALL IS A VETERAN AND FIRST RESPONDER OWNED BUSINESS OWNED AND OPERATED WE'RE FAMILY.
UH, WE EMPLOY MANY VETERANS WHICH ARE HERE TODAY.
UM, FIRST RESPONDERS, HIGH SCHOOLERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN FORNEY COMBINES GRANT, UH, CRANDALL, SCURRY, MESQUITE, AND SEAGOVILLE, AND ALL THE SURROUNDING TOWNS.
UM, THESE TEAM MEMBERS DEPEND ON THIS ADDITIONAL INCOME, MORE THAN EVER, UM, WITH GAS AND INFLATION THAT ONE OF ITS HIGHEST POINTS AT ALL TIMES.
UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE CHALKBOARDS THAT SAY SUPPORT OUR SMART BOOK, SMALL BUSINESS.
UH, WE ARE NOT A BIG BOX OR JOHN ONLINE RETAILER, UM, CEO, TRYING TO GET HIS THIRD HOME.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO SEND MY KIDS TO THE SWIMMING SOCCER.
KANTZ I'M TRYING TO SEND MY KIDS TO COLLEGE.
WE'RE A SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS THAT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTED TODAY THAT YOU CAN NOT VOTE IN OUR FAVOR.
I DO NOT LIVE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
HOWEVER, I DO WORK IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND I HAVE WORKED FOR BULLETS INC, WHICH IS MARY BULLARD FOR MANY YEARS.
AND I HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD OUR STAND TO WHAT IT IS TODAY, AND TO BUILD THE FAMILY BUSINESS, THE CUSTOMER, A RETURN.
AND I HAVE SO MANY, SO MANY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE RETURNING CUSTOMERS EVERY SEASON AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR CHILDREN.
AND THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO MISS US AS MUCH AS I'M GONNA MISS THEM.
UM, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU AS AN OWNER OF THE STAND.
I'M TALKING TO YOU AS AN EMPLOYEE AND MISSING THIS SEASON IS REALLY GOING TO HURT MY FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE MONEY THAT IT BRINGS INTO MY FAMILY MORE THAN THE REGULAR DAY TO DAY BUSINESS.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, AND TOUCHING ON WHAT SHIRLEY SAID, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, RETURNING CUSTOMERS ON MEMORIAL DAY, AS WELL AS THE OTHER HOLIDAYS
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THAT ARE VETERANS AND THE FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY.AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY MIXED THING.
EITHER PEOPLE HATE IT OR THEY LOVE IT.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THEY ARE.
PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILY IN THE MILITARY OR HAVE LOST THEM, BUT THIS REALLY DOES AFFECT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE OWNERS, BUT THE PEOPLE, THE SMALL PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR HIM TOO, YOU KNOW, AND WE WORK OUR BUTTS OFF TO MAKE THESE STANDS WHAT THEY ARE AND TO PRESENT A BUBBLE.
AND MOST OF ALL SAFETY AND WHERE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
I THINK MAYBE ONE TIME IT WAS ONE LITTLE THING AND IT WAS FIXED IMMEDIATELY.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S JUST HONEST, BEFORE WE GET INSPECTED, I GO THROUGH THAT STAND BEFORE WE OPEN A DOOR AND AFTER WE OPENED THE DOORS, UM, THEY'RE MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY EVERY SECOND, THAT I'M THERE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT SAFETY IS.
I SAID LIKE THE SAME THING BEFORE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE JUST GONNA LET THE AIR DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY UP HERE THAT WANTS TO CAUSE ANYBODY HARM.
BUT FOUR YEARS AGO OR FIVE, WHATEVER IT WAS WHEN THE LEGISLATOR PASSED THIS, UH, THEY CAME TO COURT HERE AND I WAS ON THE COURT AND WE ALL AGREED THAT Y'ALL COULD POP FIREWORKS, BUT YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT YEARLY.
YOU WERE GOING TO COME AND ASK FOR PERMISSION YEARLY BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR OPTION WITH THE STATE.
AND EACH YEAR, OUR COUNTY GROWS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE POPULATION GROWS LIKE IN MY PRECINCT, I WENT BACK THROUGH MY CALL LOG CAUSE AFTER THE LAST WEEK AND LAST YEAR ALONE ON THE CALL LOGS, WE RECEIVED OVER 600 CALLS AND COMPLAINTS IN MY PRECINCT OVER IN THE FIREWORKS.
NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SELL IT TO.
IT'S THE PEOPLE JUST LIKE DALLAS, JUST LIKE OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAD THE KEEP PUSHING IT OUT AND PUSHING IT OUT.
NOW WE CAN'T OUTLAW FIREWORKS.
I WISH THE STATE WOULD ALLOW US THAT OUTLAW MY PRECINCTS BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION GETS SO THICK.
EVERYBODY GETS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, THEY CALL SO MUCH TRASH.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CLEAN IT UP.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY OUT THERE IN MY PRECINCT CLEANING UP THE ROADWAYS, EXCEPT MY ROAD GROW AT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
THE FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE, THE CALLS WENT UP DRASTICALLY.
UH I'M I'M NOT GRABBING ABOUT 5 0 5 MARKS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM WHEN THEY'RE IN THE WRONG APPLICATION, IN THE WRONG SPOT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND I REMEMBER, UM, I THINK MY FIRST YEAR ON THE BOARD, WE HAD A REAL ISSUE DOWN THERE IN FRONT OF THE KNOCK TRUCK IS THAT THE, THE TRASH GOT SO BAD THAT THEY HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE AB AND THE, AND THE FIREWORKS ARE GOING OFF.
WELL, NESTANDE KIND OF GOT ELIMINATED OVER THE, YOU KNOW, MOVED CAUSE THE CITY WENT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY ANNEX THAT PROPERTY AND KICKED EVERYBODY OUT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY, THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO SELL THEM AND MAKING THE LIVING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BAD PEOPLE, THE WAY THEY HANDLE THEM AND OPERATE THEM.
IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, IT JUST TAKES ONE PERSON TO GIVE EVERYBODY A BAD REPUTATION IN THE SAME FIELD AND THE IN FIREWORKS, JUST GET A BAD REP BECAUSE OF WHAT THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS IS.
IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, THAT'S WHY KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS HAPPENING.
BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY, ONCE AGAIN, SAY, ALL I GOTTA SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD VENDORS FOR, WE'VE BEEN OUT.
I'M 68 OR 67 88 SOUTH ON MARK AT 1 48 COFFIN, TEXAS WARSAW, UH, CORNER OF FIREWORKS, DEAD MAN'S CORNER.
UM, WE'VE HAD CUSTOMERS FOR 24 YEARS, UH, COMING BACK, WE'VE GOT THE KIDS, KIDS COMING AND RETURNING BRINGING THEIR KIDS.
UM, YEAH, BUT THIS IS AN EFFECT IN 4TH OF JULY.
THIS IS ONLY FOR THE VICTIMS. MY POTENTIAL POTENTIAL VENDORS ARE NOW GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT HAS A POTENTIAL LOSS FOR ME AS WELL.
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THEY'RE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE MY DOORS ARE NOT OPEN.SO HOW MUCH MORE LOSS AM I GOING TO USE? I MEAN, YEAH, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, YOU GUYS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER 4TH OF JULY.
UM, BUT MY POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I'VE HAD, I'VE GOT CUSTOMERS COMING FROM, FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, NOT JUST FROM COFFIN COUNTY.
I GOT THEM COMING FROM ROCKWALL.
I GOT 'EM COMING FROM, UH, PLANO.
I GOT THEM COMING FROM GARLAND.
UM, IT'S NOT MY FAULT, WHAT THEY DO AFTER THEY SELL THE FIREWORKS TO THEM.
IF I DID, GOD KNOWS I TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT IT'S THE SAME AS AN ALCOHOLIC GOING OUT AND GRABBING WHISKEY OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY GO AND ABUSE THAT AS WELL.
YOU CAN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT, THAT THAT STORE HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT, BUT STILL THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT.
I MEAN, I, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU GUYS KNEW ABOUT THIS 15TH DATE LAST WEEK, BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT LAST WEEK.
FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, I'M MOSTLY TALKING TO Y'ALL.
THIS STATE WAS ON PURPOSE AFTERWARDS.
IT'S THE BEST THING I CAN ADVISE YOU TO TAKE PICTURES OF THESE NAME PLATES.
REMEMBER NEXT TIME THERE WAS ABOUT, BECAUSE EVERYBODY JUST GOT REELECTED.
THEY'VE GOTTEN REAL CONFIDENT ABOUT IT.
ONE MORE THING I WANT TO ADD YOUR TIME, YOUR TIME'S UP.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S ALL AROUND US FROM SELLING THEM.
SO ROCKWALL COUNTY ALL DAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO GET THEM.
I GET THAT, BUT YOU'RE, Y'ALL ARE PUTTING YOUR FEET ON THE THROAT OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY, TAXPAYERS, AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO GET THEM IN ROCKWALL AND VANS AND HENDERSON.
YOU CAN YOU KEEP TALKING LIKE WE'RE GOING, WE COLLECT SALES TAX.
WE DON'T COLLECT SALES TAX OFF OF ALL RIGHTY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR YASMIN.
[4. Yasma Holland; Discuss and consider accepting the Texas State Library & Archives Commission Community Advancement Grant in the amount of $10,000. ]
YEAH.THAT'S MY HOTLINE DOES DISCUSS THEM.
CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES COMMISSION, COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ADVANCEMENT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,000.
UM, THIS GRANT HAS TWO PARTS TO IT.
THE FIRST PART IS CALLED THE BEYOND THE LIBRARY PACKAGE, WHERE FOR $5,000 OF IT WILL BE SPENT ON, UM, THINGS TO PROMOTE THE LIBRARY OUTSIDE OF THE WALLS.
SO WE WILL BE PURCHASING AN INDOOR OUTDOOR TENT, UM, WITH OUR LOGOS, THE TABLES WITH THE TABLECLOTHS, UM, BACKDROPS, IT ALSO CALLS FOR, UH, ANY KIND OF FOLDING CHAIRS AND TABLES.
UM, UH, MOBILE DISPLAY FURNITURE, ALSO SHIRTS FOR THE STAFF TO WEAR WHERE WE'RE PROMOTING THE LIBRARY AND REPRESENT THE LIBRARY AND KAUFMAN COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE WALLS.
UM, ANYTHING TO DO THAT, UM, BEYOND OUTSIDE OF THE WALLS OF THE LIBRARY, THE SECOND PART OF IT IS ANOTHER $5,000, WHICH IS LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
THIS WILL ALLOW US TO BUY, UM, THREE DOCUMENT SCANNERS TO PUT BESIDE OUR PRINTERS THAT ARE OUR COMPUTER STATION IN THE LIBRARY.
SO PATRONS ARE ABLE TO SCAN THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS WITHOUT US DOING IT FOR THEM AND UPLOAD THOSE INTO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING ON THE COMPUTERS.
UM, IN OUR MEDIA, IN THE MEETING ROOM WHERE WE HAVE THE BIG MEDIA WALL TO ACTUALLY PUT A WEB CAM UNDERNEATH THERE, SO IT CAN PAN THE ROOM A LITTLE BETTER.
SO YOU'LL HAVE BETTER ACCESS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE ZOOM MEETINGS.
AND, UM, JUST FOR THOSE THAT ARE PHYSICALLY PRESENT, AS WELL AS ONLINE TO DO THAT, UM, WHEN WE TOOK UP ALL THE CARPET IN THE LIBRARY AND PUT THE FLOORING DOWN, WE HAVE CHAIRS AT THE COMPUTER STATION THAT HAVE CANISTERS ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THOSE ROLLING CHAIRS ARE NOW KIND OF HAZARDOUS TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE SITTING DOWN, IF THEY DON'T HOLD ON.
SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO REPLACE ALL OF THOSE CHAIRS WITH SOME STATIONARY CHAIRS, UM, A WIRELESS PRINTER FOR WE'RE GOING TO START TAKING OUR CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS IN, UM, JANUARY IN JUNE.
SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO PRINT RECEIPT IF WE NEED TO AT THE DESK.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE LIKE THE LITTLE RECEIPT PRINTERS, AND WE'LL ALSO, UM, SIGNAGE.
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WE DID PAINT IN THE LIBRARY, WE TOOK A LOT OF OUR SIGNAGE OFF.SO NOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THAT SIGNAGE BACK ON, YOU KNOW, RESTROOMS, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.
SO THESE TWO GRANTS ARE REALLY TANGIBLE STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUYING.
UM, THEY ASKED TODAY IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT.
SO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO SET UP THAT ACCOUNT.
AND THEN WE SUBMIT OUR INVOICES.
IT IS A VERY SHORT TURNAROUND WE'LL BE USING THIS MONTH IN JUNE PURCHASING AND RECEIVING ITEMS AND THEN SUBMITTING THOSE FOR PAYMENT BY THE END OF JULY.
SO WE CAN CLOSE OUT THE GRANT BEFORE THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO I'M JUST ASKING THE COURT TO APPROVE THAT TODAY.
NO, NO, I'M PLAYING FAN GREAT THING.
ANOTHER EXCELLENT JOB AS ALWAYS.
AND THIS ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE TEXAS STATE, TEXAS STATE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES COMMISSION AND IT'S BUNDLED THROUGH THE INSTITUTE OF MUSEUMS AND LIBRARIES.
SO I THINK THAT IS STILL A PART OF SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT'S OUT THERE UNDER THE CARES GRANT THAT'S FUNNELING THROUGH.
SO THEY HAVE MONEY THAT THEY'RE SPENDING FOR THAT.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
CAN WE JUST MAKES MOTION AND SECOND STRING CASE SECONDS.
[5. Tandi Smith; Discuss/Consider Canvassing the Kaufman County Election Returns for the May 7, 2022, Constitutional Amendment Election. ]
SMITH TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CANVASSING THE KAUFMAN COUNTY ELECTIONS RETURNS FOR MAY 7TH, 2022 CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELECTION.DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESULTS THAT I EMAILED YOU LAST NIGHT? NOPE.
SO AS IT STANDS, PROPOSITION TWO, UM, VOTES FOR WERE 7,776 AGAINST WAS 1422.
AND FOR PROPOSITION ONE, IT WAS 78, 84 AND 1212 AGAINST I'M AT Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UM, PASS THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO COUNT THAT CAN COMMISSIONER CAPES MAKES THE MOTION NO SECOND AND COMMISSIONER BARBER SECONDS.
AND, UH, UH, AND WE DO HAVE A CORUM MINIMUM ROLL CALL JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, KEN KATES, UH, MR. BARBER, UH, AND COMMISSIONER MILLER SAYS, AH, SO THE MOTION PASSED AND CARRIED.
I HAD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE TANDY LEAVES.
I'M SO GLAD THAT WE BROUGHT YOU IN TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR US.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ELECTION SET UP NOW AND IT WAS AWESOME TO KNOW THAT I COULD GET THE RETURN INFORMATION WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO ENFONTE.COM.
I THINK Y'ALL WILL PROBABLY BE SEEING A LOT MORE OF US THAN IN FORTY.COM IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
CITY COUNCIL RACE AFTER CANVAS WAS TIMED.
WELL THANK YOU FOR DOING THE JOB AND YOUR CREW ARE DONE OVER THERE.
[6. Tandi Smith; Discuss/Consider approval for Elections Department staff to attend the 40th Annual Election Law Seminar for County Election Officials to be held August 1-3, 2022, in Austin, Texas. ]
WHEN MOVE ON THE NUMBER SIX, DANNY SMITH, AGAIN, HE, AGAIN, HE'S, DOESN'T IMPROVE THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT STAFF, UH, TIM, THE 40TH ANNUAL ELECTION LOSS SEMINAR, CORRECT? THE STATE OF TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY THE TEXAS SECRETARY OF STATE HOST THIS ANNUALLY.IT IS ALL SPECIFIC TO TEXAS ELECTIONS.
UM, SEVERAL COUNTIES DO THE SAME THING THAT I'M REQUESTING, WHICH IS TO TAKE OUR STAFF TO THIS CONFERENCE AND IMMERSE THEM IN THIS LEARNING EXPERIENCE, ALLOW THEM TO NETWORK WITH MEMBERS FROM 254 OTHER COUNTIES IN TEXAS.
UM, AND REALLY DELVE DEEP INTO THAT INFORMATION.
IT WOULD REQUIRE THE CLOSURE OF OUR OFFICE THAT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AT NOON.
UM, THE CONFERENCE RUNS FULL DAYS FROM THE FIRST THROUGH THE THIRD.
SO WE WOULD LEAVE THE NIGHT BEFORE ON THE 30TH AND WE WOULD BE BACK IN THE OFFICE BEFORE NOON ON THAT THURSDAY, THE FUNDS FOR THIS, THE MAJORITY OF THAT FUNDING COMES FROM OUR CHAPTER 19 MONEY, WHICH IS PROVIDED BY THE STATE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS WE COMPLETED SHARE WERE PAID FOR THAT.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT OLDER, JUST A LITTLE BIT.
IT DISCUSSED IT WITH KAREN AND, AND WE HAVE THE MONEY AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT.
MAYBE THE FUNDING THEY'VE, THEY COVERED THREE FULL NIGHTS OF THE HOTEL STAY.
UM, MY BUDGET COULD HANDLE THE OTHER ONE, NOT STAYED.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE SAME WAY WHEN WE GO, IT WORKS BETTER TALKING TO PEOPLE AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEIR PROBLEMS ARE BACK AND FORTH, AND YOU UNDERSTAND,
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AND YOU GET A LOT MORE DONE THAN YOU DO.AND TWO BRAND NEW STAFF MEMBERS WHO JUST CAME ON RIGHT BEFORE THIS PRIMARY ELECTION WHO ARE NEW TO ELECTIONS PERIOD.
THEY'VE LEARNED A LOT WHILE THEY'RE THERE WITH ME AND MY OTHER STAFF, SENIOR STAFF MEMBER, BUT IT'S GREAT TO GET THEM INVOLVED.
THEY HAVE COURSES THAT ARE ELECTIONS ONE-ON-ONE SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND BREAK DOWN AND SEE, I'M NOT THE ONLY NEW PERSON HERE.
AND IT'S LIKE, THEY SAY, WE LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY AND THAT DOESN'T STOP WITH ME.
IT'S SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY WE CONTINUALLY LEARN.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR WAY TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.
SO ANYWAY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.
[7. Tax Office; Discuss/Consider approving the deputation of Amber West for the office of Kaufman County Tax Assessor-Collector. ]
AND I'M NUMBER SEVEN IS A TAX OFFICE AND I THINK WE HAVE UP, I THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THAT.I KNOW THERESA IS OUT TODAY THE MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THE DEBT PROTECTION OF AMBER WEST FOR THE KAUFMAN COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.
AND THAT'S THIS, THE APPROVED DEPUTATION AMBER WEST.
SO MOVE ON, MOVE FROM COMMISSIONER.
KATE'S SECOND AND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER.
[8. Tax Office; Present/Accept the Tax Assessor-Collector's monthly report for April 2022. ]
THE TAX OFFICE.THE GIVE THE COLLECTORS MONTHLY REPORT.
YES, THE APRIL, THE CURRENT COLLECTION IS 350, $2,371 AND 86 CENTS.
THE, UH, DELINQUENT IS $99,632 AND 13 CENTS FOR A TOTAL OF COLLECTIONS OF $452,003 AND 99 CENTS.
UNPAID, UH, DEFERRALS IS $91,091 $99 AND 23 CENTS FOR RODIN BRIDGE.
THE CURRENT COLLECTION IS $73,075 AND 78 CENTS.
DELINQUENT IS $20,631 AND 18 CENTS FOR A TOTAL OF BEING COLLECTED OF $93,706 AND 96 CENTS.
THE FEDERAL UNPAID IS $16,161 AND 58 CENTS.
WE HAD ONE ROW BACK IN PRECINCT, TWO, A 4 31 0.1, THREE, FIVE ACRES.
ROLL BACK TO ROLL BACK TO THAT THING THEN.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THEIR MONTHLY REPORT.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA MAKES SOME MOTION.
CAN MR. K'S IS GOING TO LIKE A SECOND.
[9. Kristi Dickey; Discuss/Consider motion to approve Final Plat of County Road 103 Addition Located on CR 103 in PCT. 1. ]
CHRISTIE.DICK IS COMING UP TO DISCUSS THE FINAL PLAT ON COUNTY ROAD 1 0 3.
GOOD MORNING, UH, COUNTY ROAD 1 0 3.
ADDITION WAS A FAMILY TRACK ORIGINALLY OWNED BY ELVIS SMITH CONSISTING OF 11 TRACKS AFTER A PROBATE.
UM, THE PROPERTY WAS SEPARATED BETWEEN THE HEIRS AND THEY'VE PLANTED THE PROPERTY AND ALL APPROVING AUTHORITIES HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THIS PROJECT NOW.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COURT'S APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLAT.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
SHOULD I GET, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
[10. Kristi Dickey; Discuss/Consider motion to approve Preliminary Plat of Diamond Ranch Located on FM 2728 in PCT 3. ]
CHRISTIE AGAIN, THAT FOR TODAY I SEE THAT.AND THIS IS DISCUSSING IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON DIAMOND RANCH LOCATED ON FARMER'S MARKET 27, 28.
THIS IS LOCATED IN PRECINCT THREE.
UM, DIAMOND RANCH HAS, UH, PROPOSED TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOTS CONSISTING OF 14 LOTS.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASES TO SUBMIT THEIR CIVIL PLANS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER, A BROOM SECOND.
AND THE SECOND FROM KATE'S ALL IN FAVOR.
[11. Kristi Dickey; Discuss/Consider motion to approve Final Plat of Sando Addition Located on FM 1836 in PCT 1. ]
DINKY.LISTEN TO CONSIDER EMOTIONAL MY FINAL PLANT ON SANDOW EDITION LOCATED ON FARM MARKET, 1836 PRECINCT, ONE OFFICER, UH, SANTO EDITION.
UM, WE'LL BE SINGLE-FAMILY SITE GOAT HOMES.
UM, IT'S THREE LOTS, UM, CONSISTING OF A FIVE ACRE LOT, A 1.8 ACRE LOT AND A 4.92 ACRE LOT.
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AND I BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE BUILDING THE HOMES AS WELL.SO, UH, TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
COMMISSIONER BARBARA MAKES THE MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KATES, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[12. Kristi Dickey; Discuss/Consider motion to Approve Replat for Ridgeview Acres Lot 18 Located on Ridgeview Circle in PCT 4 ]
AND CHRISTIE, WE GET TO VISIT ONE MORE TIME.AND THIS IS CONSIDERED EMOTIONAL AND APPROVAL REPLAT OF THE RIDGE VIEW ACRES IN LOT 18 LOCATED IN REEB VIEW CIRCLE PRECINCT FOUR.
UM, THE CLIENT ACTUALLY OWNED ALL THREE LOTS TO BEGIN WITH.
AND SO, BECAUSE IT'S IN A SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE TO REPLAT.
SO HE'S COMBINING ALL THREE, LOTS INTO ONE LIGHT.
AND SO IT'S JUST THE FORMALITY OF COMBINING THOSE THREE.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE COURT'S APPROVAL FOR THAT.
REPLAT I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, RIGHT? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CATES, THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER, ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHRISTIE.
[13. Juvenile Detention Committee; Receive Committee report for construction and operations budget of the proposed Juvenile Detention Facility. ]
NUMBER 13 WILL BE THE JUVENILE DETENTION COMMITTEE RECEIVING RECEIVE A COMMIT A COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS OF THE BUDGET AND THE PROPOSED JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER.I WAS JUST GOING TO REMIND EVERYONE WHERE WE'RE AT.
IT WAS AMAZING TO ME THAT Y'ALL AWARDED A CONTRACT FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY BACK IN APRIL OF 2021.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE FINAL PRESENTATION.
UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH HOK WITH THE JUVENILE BOARD.
UM, BACK IN FEBRUARY, YOU AGREED TO BRING ON A CONSULTANT TO HELP WITH THE OPERATIONS PLAN.
AND SO THIS WAS THAT 60 DAY WINDOW OF COMING UP WITH A TRUE BUDGET AND A FACILITY CONSTRUCTION BUDGET AS WELL.
SO I BELIEVE WHAT WE'VE COME TOGETHER WITH TODAY IS A FACILITY AND OPERATION PLAN THAT IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS THAT HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN EXPRESSED FROM LOWER PIECE.
AND SO WE'LL START WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING SO THAT IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE AS THEY GO THROUGH THE FINAL FLOOR PLAN OF THE FACILITY ITSELF.
WHAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU IS ALSO BEING SHARED ON THE SCREEN.
AND SO THIS IS THE BUDGET ITSELF FOR THE OPERATIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE, SO HE'S VERY AWARE OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THIS IS NOT A BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED OR PLANNED BY THE JUVENILE BOARD.
THIS WAS WHAT THE FACILITY COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH AS BEST PRACTICES.
THESE DECISIONS ARE BASED ON EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICES.
AND WHAT WE'RE TOLD IS, IS THE VERY BEST THING WE SHOULD BE DOING.
THERE MAY BE ROOM IN THERE TO, UH, HAVE ONE LESS STAFF PERSON HERE OR THERE.
BUT WE HAVE DESIGNED A BUDGET THAT WE BELIEVE IS WHAT IS SOLID, NOT EXTRAVAGANT, BUT SOLID.
UH, IT WAS VERY GOOD TO HAVE THE SHERIFF AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE HE IS THE PERSON IN THIS ROOM WHO HAS RUN A SECURE FACILITY AND IS VERY WEARABLE AT THE COST.
OF COURSE THE LARGEST COST IS IN SALARIES.
UM, AND WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS, THE SHERIFF AND ALSO THE COMMISSIONER HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN THAT THIS SALARY RANGE WOULD NOT, UH, BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE STAFF.
WE BASED OUR STAFFING, UH, COSTS ON THE JAIL, UH, ON THEIR BUDGET, ON WHAT THEIR SALARY SCHEDULE IS.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY AND I THINK THE SHERIFF DOES TOO, THAT OUR DETENTION OFFICERS AND THEIR DETENTION OFFICERS SHOULD BE PAID ON THE SAME SALARY SCALE.
THEY HAVE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITIES.
OTHERWISE WHOEVER'S PAYING A LITTLE BIT LESS IS SIMPLY GOING TO BE TRAINING GROUND FOR THE OTHER FACILITY.
UM, SO YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S UP ON THE BOARD.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT SALARIES.
THIS IS A 24 BED FACILITY WITH FOUR SPECIALIZED BEDS.
UM, 28, EACH POD IS EIGHT BEDS.
THE SPECIALIZED BEDS ARE IN THE INTAKE UNIT.
AND THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR KIDS WHO HAVE TO BE SEPARATED FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UH, SUICIDE, UM, SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, PHYSICAL ISSUES, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
SO, UM, AND SOMETIMES KIDS COME IN AND THEY'RE VERY COMBATIVE AND WE PUT THEM IN A SPECIALIZED WHILE WE'RE DOING OTHER THINGS AND THEN THEY CALM DOWN AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO BE TAKEN TO THE UNIT, BUT IT DOES HAVE FOUR SPECIALIZED BEDS FOR A TOTAL OF 28,
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WHICH ALSO ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY.FOR EXAMPLE, TODAY WE HAVE EIGHT KIDS IN DETENTION AND ONE GIRL.
SO IF YOU HAD THAT SITUATION, YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT A GIRL IN SPECIALIZED CELL.
IT'S ONE GIRL, SHE'S STILL GETTING ALL, EVERYTHING SHE NEEDS.
SHE HAS THE ATTENTION SHE HAS THE STAFFING.
UM, SO THOSE FOUR BEDS GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT'S, UH, VERY MUCH NEEDED.
UM, I DID LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD BE IF YOU ONLY STAFFED 16 BEDS, WHICH I THINK IF WE WERE OPEN TODAY, WE'D HAVE 20 FED FOUR BEDS FULL.
WE ALL MAY ONLY HAVE EIGHT KIDS IN DETENTION, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE BEDS AVAILABLE OR WE WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS TODAY, BUT LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT SITUATION IS NOT GETTING BETTER.
UM, IF WE WERE TO REDUCE THE FUNDING OR THE STAFFING FROM 24 BEDS TO 16 BEDS, THAT'S ONLY ABOUT A $400,000 REDUCTION.
AND I SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, ONLY, BUT, UM, THERE'S SO MANY FIXED COSTS IN THERE.
YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE FACILITY ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO BE THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE COSTS THAT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET, I BELIEVE THE, UH, BELIEVE HOK IS COVERING.
UM, WE DISCUSSED IS SOFTWARE FOR DOCUMENTING CHECKS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE, THE ABILITY WHEN THE, WHEN THE FACILITY IS BUILT, IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT IT HAS CAMERAS EVERYWHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
AND IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY FOR STAFF TO CHECK IN AND DOCUMENT THAT THEY DID LOOK IN THAT ROOM.
THEY DID SEE THAT KID, THEY DID DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND THAT WAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL DONE MANUALLY ANYMORE.
SO THERE IS AN INITIAL COST FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD THAT FIGURED IN THE BUILDING COST.
WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THE LICENSING YEARLY.
THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE RECURRING COST.
UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
UM, THE, THE CONSULTANT HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT NUMBER PRETTY ACCURATELY REFLECTS AGAIN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO RAISE THE SALARIES, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE IF THE JAILS, WHATEVER THE JAIL SCHEDULE IS, IS WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE AS WELL.
IT'S A BIG NUMBER, BUT IT'S HIGH MAN.
THE SHERIFF BONE, I'M SORRY, THE MAN, THE SHERIFF BROKE BALLROOM BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE HE'S LOSING STAFF OVER THE PAY ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE I, I, I SAID, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH PEOPLE OVER HERE.
SO THEY, I THINK THEY BOTH UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S A QUESTION WHERE IT IS.
YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PAY FOR IT.
AND THAT BECOMES OUR JOB WHEN WE DECIDE THAT THAT'S, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.
AND I KNOW THAT FINDING STAFF IS DIFFICULT.
WE HAD TWO NEW POSITIONS, WE HAD A, UM, WE FOUND, WE FINALLY STAFFED THEM WITH REALLY GOOD PEOPLE, BUT IT TOOK US A WHILE.
BUT TENNIS IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A, AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM WITH A AND M COMMERCE SO THAT THEY COULD FUNNEL KIDS TO US THAT ARE IN TRAINING.
YOU KNOW, THEY GET CREDIT, THEY ALSO GET PAID.
UH THERE'S WE JUST HIRED A GIRL THAT CAME OUT OF DETENTION.
SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT TRAINING GROUND.
SO YOU GET THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT OUT OF, THEY'RE STILL IN COLLEGE, THEY'RE STUDENTS AND YOU PAY THEM AND THEY'RE GETTING COLLEGE CREDIT, BUT IT'S FUNNELING US PEOPLE GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD RESOURCE THERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HIRE PEOPLE.
AND HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START THAT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING TWO POSITIONS.
WE DO HAVE INTERNSHIP POSITIONS IN THE PAST.
PEOPLE WOULD CALL US, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW.
SO HE'S WORKING ON GETTING THAT GOING.
SO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
UM, IT'S UH, IT'S OVERWHELMING, BUT THE COMMITTEE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACILITY, THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN HAD BEEN CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW THAT OJ CO HOK WE'LL GO INTO THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE OPERATIONS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO THE VERY END.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE THINGS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T THINK OF, BUT, UH, I F I FEEL MUCH BETTER AFTER THIS COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, HAVING THESE MEETINGS AND COMING UP WITH THIS INFORMATION, I DON'T FEEL SO OVERWHELMED.
I KNOW NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND ALL I NEED IS, YOU KNOW, FOR Y'ALL TO, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL OVERWHELMED
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AT ALL, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO RUN IT.I WOULD FEEL OVERWHELMED IF I WOULD'VE.
SO THESE ARE YOUR PROJECTIONS, THIS, AND THEN THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST ANNUAL EVERY YEAR.
YOU KNOW, TH THEY, THEY, UH, COMMIT THE COMMITTEE, LOOKED AT WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU COULD MAKE DECISIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT LESS, THE NUMBER ONE DECISION WOULD BE TO FOLLOW PREA STANDARDS OR NOT FOLLOW PREA STANDARDS, PRISON, RAPE ELIMINATION ACT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET THE PRIUS CERTIFICATION.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DO FOLLOW PREA STANDARDS.
YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO GO IN AND BUILD A BUILDING AND STAFF, A BUILDING.
AND KNOWING THAT YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SET FORTH TO ELIMINATE SEXUAL ASSAULTS.
AND THAT'S A, A PROTECTION FOR THE KIDS, AS WELL AS THE STAFF.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S PRETTY, I MEAN, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET THE CERTIFICATION, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOLLOW THOSE WHEN I'M BUILDING ONE, DESIGNING IT AND STAFFING IT.
YOU'RE NOT HEARING ME ARGUE WITH THAT.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S REALITY AND WE HAVE TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT.
I'VE I HAVE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND I'VE SAID BEFORE, I'VE BEEN HERE A VERY LONG TIME AND I WOULD NOT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.
AND I DID TELLING YOU THE PROBLEM WE HAD, IF, IF WE WEREN'T THERE.
AND I WAS THE LAST PERSON WHO WANTED TO DO IT, BUT LARGELY, IS THERE ANY PROJECTION AT ALL? AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A REVENUE.
ITS INTENT IS NOT TO BE A REVENUE GENERATING FACILITY, BUT IS THERE ANY, UH, ESTIMATION OF POTENTIAL REVENUE GENERATION THAT MIGHT HELP OFFSET SOME OF THESE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY IS NOW CHARGING $172 A DAY, WHICH MORE CLOSELY REFLECTS ACTUAL COSTS, BUT NOT DOESN'T QUITE BECAUSE I I'VE SENT OUT A REQUEST TO ALL THE FACILITY, ADMINISTRATOR, NOT FACILITY ADMINISTRATION TO THE CHIEFS, ASKING THEM WHAT THEIR ACTUAL COSTS ARE AND WHAT COSTS THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE US AND, UH, GUARANTEE US I'D MISS.
CAUSE THAT WOULD JUST BE A TEMPORARY FIX.
UH NOBODY'S YOU KNOW, AND I'VE SAID, JUST TELL ME WHAT IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO YOU, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE IT WORTH IT TO YOU TO GIVE, TO HAVE EIGHT BEDS FOR US AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT.
NOW AT $172, EIGHT, FIVE KIDS, RIGHT? KIDS, EIGHT KIDS, $500,000.
SO IF YOU RAN UP, IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, THAT 32 BED, I MEAN THAT I DON'T SEE US BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT WITH 16 BEDS.
AND IF YOU PRE-SALE THOSE BEDS, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE.
I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT, IT'S JUST ON A, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BEDS THAT YOU CALL YOUR CONTRACT BEDS AND WHEN THEY'RE FULL, THEY'RE FULL, BUT THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED.
SO THAT WHAT I HAVE IN GRACE, WE HAVE AN OPEN ONE.
I HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRAYSON COUNTY, WE PREPAY FOR TWO BEDS.
HE SAID BASICALLY, IS THERE A WAY FOR A PROFIT IN ANY WAY OR INCOME STREAM WITH THE FACILITY HERE? AND THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY NOT WITH THE 24, YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP TO 32.
AND THAT'S THE ANSWER, THE FLIP SIDE, IT WOULD BE 500,000.
IT'S GOING TO INCREASE JUST LIKE IF IT DECREASED, SO THAT MAY BE WORTH THE COST, BUT PROBABLY WHEN WE BUILD IT, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S A LITTLE ANCILLARY AS WE OPEN THIS, WE'LL FILL IT.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, ALL OF THE FOLKS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE STEP BACK TO INFORM PEOPLE THAT THESE WERE STILL, THESE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE HERE.
CAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP TO PUT THE TINY KID THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TANKED, THEN WE'LL EVEN OUT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE GO, I WOULD SUGGEST NOT STEP DOWN TO 16 TO STEP UP.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD PERHAPS IN, IN FIVE YEARS AFTER IT RECOUP A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A MONEY.
MIKE, WE MIGHT PAY FOR SOME, SOMETHING OF THAT TO ADD ONE THING ABOUT HOW THE VESSELS WILL BE DESIGNED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH DISABILITY IS ONCE YOU DETERMINED YOUR INITIAL START AT BEDDING AND STAFFING, ET CETERA, THEN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IS A PROCESS PER POD.
SO WHEN IT WAS TIME TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL POD, THERE WOULD BE A SET NUMBER OF STAFF.
THERE WOULD BE A SET FACILITY, COST ESTIMATE, ET CETERA.
AND SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO CONSIDER THOSE, UH, RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IF THE DAILY RATE WENT UP OR TH THE CURRENT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE $400,000.
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YOU WANTED TO GO UP TO 32 BEDS, THE, JUST THE, UH, THE SALARIES ONLY WOULD BE, UH, ABOUT $400,000 TO STAFF THAT EXTRA POT.IS THAT KINDA WHAT YOU'RE YEAH.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUILDING COSTS.
THEY, UH, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, AND I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE CAN CONTEST TO THIS, THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SET IN THE IDLE, THEN YOU'RE PAYING THE SAME MONEY.
SO IF YOU DID BRING IN SOME, AT THAT TIME, YOU MIGHT OFFSET A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S JUST TO KEEP YOUR PERSONNEL SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LOSING PERSONNEL.
IT'S A STAY EVEN THEN BE ABLE TO PAY THE PEOPLE AND PAY THE ELECTRIC AND PAY EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN EMPTY BED SITTING THERE, YES, WE SHOULD IT OUT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHATEVER WE CAN AT THE TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY OR HELPING PAY, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S ABLE TO RETAIN THE STAFF AND KEEP THE FACILITIES RUNNING AND THE TRUTH.
I TRY TO LOOK AT IT SINCE WE'VE, SINCE SOME OF US HAS BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH TO LOOK AT TRENDS AND LONGEVITY.
AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS EVEN IN AND IN TIME, WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH GROWTH, I THINK A, A 16 BED WOULD HAVE WORKED OR 24.
BUT I THINK EVEN, HOPEFULLY WE'LL KEEP TRENDING THE SAME OR DOWN, BUT JUST THE SHEER POPULATION IS GOING TO HAVE US KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE FILLED.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT CAUSE, CAUSE THINGS TREND YOU'LL W HOPEFULLY IN 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET SOME KIND OF SAY THIS, RIGHT.
UH, THINGS WILL CHANGE IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE WILL SEE THAT TREND, UH, TURNED DOWN, BUT OUR NUMBERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT AS A ROBUST FACILITY, EVEN AT, IF Y'ALL GO WITH 24 OR IF YOU ADD THE OTHER EIGHT TO 30, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GAIN THERE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE HAD THAT EIGHT BEDS FULL OF, OF, OUT OF COUNTY KIDS AT $172 AND I, AND OUR STAFFING PORTION OF THAT'S ABOUT 400,000.
SO THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT THERE, UH, NOW, BECAUSE YOUR FIXED COSTS ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME.
THE NURSE ARE GOING TO BE THOSE SAME FOLKS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT THINGS BEING THE, IF THEY'RE EMPTY, THEN WE MAINTAIN OUR COST AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HELPS US OFFSET AND KEEP THE EMPLOYEES AND KEEP THE THING.
IF WE WANTED IT FULL, IT WOULD BE DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D EVER BUILD IT FOR PROFIT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD, NO, IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT AND, AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BAND.
AND THEN, AND THE VA CAN CONTEST TO IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY, OR YOU JUST COME AND SIT IN MY OFFICE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
SHE CAME IN THE OTHER DAY AND THEY'RE SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CHILDREN THERE EVERY DAY AND I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THIS.
AND I DON'T LIKE SEEING THE CHILDREN LIKE YESTERDAY.
AND THE COMMISSIONER BILLS IS THAT CHANGED SINCE YOU STARTED, IT HAS CHANGED SINCE I'VE STARTED AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION.
THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE CHANGE IN JUVENILE BOARD.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY, DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY.
OUR PHILOSOPHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU NEED TO LOCK UP KIDS THAT ARE DANGEROUS AND, YOU KNOW, WAVE YOU'RE IN DOUBT, YOU LOCK THEM UP.
SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO AN INVESTIGATION AND JUST NOT ABLE TO DO WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT BECOMES THE PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU CAN'T, WHEN YOU CAN'T HANDLE YOUR SERVICES, THEN WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.
AND RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T HANDLE THE SERVICES AND NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO TAKE IT FOR US.
YOU KNOW, I JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, WE'VE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS FACILITY, THIS PROPOSED OR NEEDED FACILITY.
AND, UH, AND I I'VE EVEN, UM, MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH OUR STATE REP AND, AND, UH, EVEN WITH HIS STAFF IN AUSTIN, UH, JUST IN AN EFFORT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THE STATE OF TEXAS, IF YOU WILL, UH, HAS, UH, IN THE OFFING FOR, FOR THIS JUVENILE PROBLEM.
AND APPARENTLY THEY HAVE NOTHING TO THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECEDING.
THEY ARE, UH, THERE ARE 98 KIDS.
THERE WERE 98 KIDS LAST WEEK THAT WERE STATE KIDS COURT ORDERED BY A JUDGE TO BE IN A STATE FACILITY THAT WE'RE STILL IN COUNTY FACILITIES, FILLING COUNTY BEDS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE 98, FEWER BEDS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE LIKE US.
SO, UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO FIX THAT.
THEY DID JUST LOSE THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
IT'S BEEN A REAL MESS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
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YEAH.AND THEN ONLY THEN I'M TALKING TO THE SAME STEP STATE REP THAT HE TALKS TO.
CAUSE HE, HE MAN TOO, BUT HE'S ONLY ONE PERSON AND EVERYBODY HAS TO REMEMBER THAT WE CAN HAVE ONE BOAT, BUT WE HAD NEED A LOT MORE STATE REPS ON OUR SIDE.
WELL, I THINK PEOPLE AROUND THE STATE AND OTHERS TO THE PROBLEM, OKAY, THE QUESTION IS HOW YOU ATTACK IT.
AND SO WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK IS THE SOLUTION IS TO PUSH IT'S MONEY, BUT IT'S TO PUSH THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY TO SOLVE.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOU GUYS, WE HEAR Y'ALL UNUSUAL.
WE HEAR HIM ONCE A MONTH ON THE ISSUE, CALLING THEM UNFUNDED MANDATES AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVEN'T QUITE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON SUNSET.
UH, REPRESENTATIVE BELL IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A, I THINK A REAL VIGOROUS AND ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD.
AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE DIRECTOR, I DIDN'T KNOW, HAS RESIGNED, BUT THAT WAS AFTER THEY HA THEY WERE, THEY WERE UP, THEY HAD A HEARING.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE AT THE HEARING, UH, EVEN THOUGH YOU CALL, BUT IT MUST NOT HAVE GONE REALLY WELL.
THEY WERE HAD A HEARING ON REDUCING MINIMUM WEIGHTS OF STAY AND, UH, IT DID NOT GO WELL.
AND IT WAS RIGHT AFTER THAT, THAT SHE RESIGNED.
UH, I, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS.
A LOT OF SMALLER COUNTIES ARE NOT, THEY'RE JUST NOT LOOKING AT THE REALITY WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
THE COUNTY WE LIVE WITH THIS SITUATION AND MY COUNTY HAS PUT MORE MONEY INTO THIS FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY CAREER.
AND I KNOW OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE NOT DOING THAT, AND THEY'RE WAITING ON SOMEBODY TO SAVE THEM AND NOBODY'S GOING TO SAVE US.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT Y'ALL HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT, AND YOU'RE TAKING STEPS TO, TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM BECAUSE NOT ALL COUNTIES ARE, WHICH MEANS WHEN WE GET IT BUILT, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN DEMAND.
RIGHT? AND WELL, AND, AND, AND OUR, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE JASON TO GIANT COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT MOUTHING DALLAS COUNTY.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN'T BE NEXT DOOR TO THAT BIG OF A POPULATION.
YOU AND YOUR POPULATION DOES NOT CHANGE.
AND PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE A BIG POPULATION TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS Y'ALL ARE THINKING THAT WE'RE NOT COVERING? I KNOW Y'ALL GOT DOCUMENTATION.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU, WHILE YOU'VE GOT US AND APPRECIATE ROYAL AND KEEPING US ON TRACK AND ORGANIZED TO RADIANT SHERIFF AND HE WANT ME TO GET NO, I JUST, I THINK THE ONE THING WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE LEGISLATOR AND TALK TO THEM.
LIKE THEY DO TDC PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE HOLDING THEM ANYTHING OVER 45 DAYS, THEY STOPPED PAYING FOR IT.
SO I HAVE NOT, I CAN SEE THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR STATE ROUTE WHEN THESE KIDS ARE AWARDED THE STATE AND THEY'RE HOLDING AND OTHER PLACES WE NEED TO GET THE STATE STOCK, AND THAT WILL CHANGE SOME THINGS THAT HELPED US WITH TC, BUT THAT WILL HELP WITH THIS ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S AN AVENUE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WELL, THEY DO.
AND THEY, AND THEY DO, AND YOU DIDN'T TOUCH ON.
THEY DO PAY WHEN THEY CONVICT THEM.
THEY HAVE SO MANY DAYS TO COME PICK HIM UP RIGHT.
45 DAYS, AND THAT START HAVING TO PAY US.
AND THEY USUALLY, THEY WON'T GET TO THERE.
SO IT'S AN ADD ANOTHER AVENUE.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THEM.
SO THAT FORCES A THEY'RE DOING, I WAS NOT AWARE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I DID SEND A LETTER AND SAY, I'VE HAD A KID X NUMBER OF DAYS, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO PAY, THEY WON'T GO BACK AND PAY, BUT THEY ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT FROM HERE ON, IF YOU ARE HOLDING IT.
AND IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO PAY US THAN IT IS TO BUILD ANOTHER FACILITY FOR HERSELF THOUGH.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BAD NEWS WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, MAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ONE NEXT DOOR WHERE WE COULD JUST SEND THEM FOR 165 DAYS OUT, HEY, I'M BOTH.
I THINK THESE ARE, THESE ARE OUR KIDS.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK HERE WHEN THEY GO THERE.
I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S AN EASIER REVENUE ROUTE, THE TAPE BE PREPARED FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, HE CAN TELL YOU, WE STARTED, WHEN WE STARTED WAITING, WE CAME UP WITH THIS DESIGN.
IF WE ALL LOVE IT, IT'S REALLY COOL AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THEY SHOWED US, I HAD DONE FOR ECTOR COUNTY.
CLEARLY IT WAS MORE EFFICIENT.
SO I THINK THEY'VE CHANGED TO THE MORE EFFICIENT, WHICH IS GOOD.
I WAS ALMOST HAPPY TO BE HERE.
LET'S SUSTAIN ON ALL THE COUNTY NEEDS.
AND LAURA AND TRAVIS HAD DONE A GOOD WORK ON A TRANSITIONING.
NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SEE IT.
UM, YEAH, SO IT WAS MENTIONED, I THINK WE STARTED OUT, FIRST OF ALL, FINDING
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THE SITE THAT WAS SOME OF THE FIRST INITIAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS.AND I THINK THE SITE WAS ACQUIRED AND WE SAID, IT'S A REALLY GOOD LOCATION BEING KNOWN THAT IT'S NEXT TO THE, UM, TO THE JUSTICE CENTER AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT'S NOT MIXED WITH IT.
UH, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY STARTS LOOKING, UH, IN PLANNING FOR WHAT'S GOING ON, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE ROADS.
UH, THERE'S A, UM, UM, AN UNDERGOING, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE GOING FOR THAT, UM, PROPOSED DRIVE THAT WE JUST GOING TO HELP THE SHERIFF BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL WAYS TO GET QUICKER OUT OF THE SITE.
AND THAT'S IN CONNECTION TO THAT NEW, UH, FOUR LANE, UH, CONNECTION THAT IT REACHED TO A HIGHWAY 34.
SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU A, A BRIEF, UH, KIND OF VICINITY MAP THAT IS GOING TO BE SURROUNDING THE, THE NEW FACILITY FOR THE DEDICATED FOR THE JUSTICE FACILITY.
I MEAN, FOR THE JUVENILE FACILITY, NO, JUST KIND OF GOING A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IT, UH, FROM LAST TIME WE WERE HAVING, UH, THE PROGRAM, WHICH WE VALIDATED THAT WITH LAURA IN THE, UM, AND THE CONSULTANT THAT JUVENILE CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.
AND AS A BLESSED TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE PROGRAM, UH, BLOCKS WILL BE FITTING INTO THE SITE.
AND WE HAD THAT FIRST CONCEPT JUST KIND OF LAYING IT OUT WITHOUT REALLY BREAKING IT OUT THIS TIME.
IT'S JUST WORKING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN ACTUALLY DEFINING THOSE SPACES AND HOW IT WORKS WITH AN INSIGHT.
SO WE'LL GO INTO THE DENTIST SLIDE TO TELL YOU HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BRIEF, UH, KIND OF THE BREAKOUT OF THAT SITE, WHERE, UM, ALL THE STAFF PARKING IS KIND OF, THE BUILDING IS SET UP IN SUCH A WAY WHERE, UH, MORTAL THE I'M GOING TO CALL IT A BACK OF A HOUSE, WHEREAS LOADING DOCK, WHERE IT'S A SOLID PORT, UM, WHERE KIDS ARE BEING BROUGHT IN, UH, IN A SECURE FASHION AND STAFF ENTRANCE IS LOCATED KIND OF, KIND OF FACING THE, UH, THE JUSTICE CENTER, IF WE WANT TO CALL IT.
AND LET'S PUT MORE TO THE PUBLIC FACING TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND TOWARDS THAT NEW ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING UP.
UH, SO THERE'S NOT A DISSIPATED, A WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC, UH, UH, VEHICLE OR SO, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THAT, WHICH IS LOOKING AT 15 PUBLIC SPACES, BUT FOR THE STAFF, AS WE KNOW, UH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HANDLING, UH, THE OFFICERS, THE, UH, THE KITCHEN, THE ADMINISTRATORS, THE PROBATION OFFICERS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED ALL WITHIN, IN A SECURED, I'M GOING TO CALL IT, UM, IN A SECURE AREA, UM, AND THERE'S OPTIONS TO REALLY FULLY SECURE WITH A GATE CONTROL, BUT SOMETIMES, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO ALSO HAVE JUST A MINIMAL FENCE THAT KEEPS PEOPLE HONEST, JUST STAYING AWAY, THAT HE IDENTIFIES THAT AREA AS AN AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS RED LINE MEANS.
THIS RED LINE MEANS IS PRETTY MUCH A FENCE THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUMP ON IT.
BUT IF IT'S JUST KEEPS THAT IF SOMEBODY JUMPS ON IT, THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE ON AN AUTHORIZED, UH, LOCATION.
SO THAT KEEPS PEOPLE AWAY FROM GETTING UP CLOSED TO PROBABLY EVEN GETTING UP CLOSE TO THIS AREAS WHERE HER MORE SECURE.
SO, AND AS HE WAS MENTIONED, THE, UH, THE, UH, SURVEILLANCE, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED PART OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S GOOD AMOUNT OF TECHNOLOGY.
UH, CAMERAS HAVE COME DOWN QUITE A BIT.
ACTUALLY TECHNOLOGY HAS GONE WAY, WAY BETTER THAN THE OLD DAYS.
SO WE WILL HAVE A REALLY GOOD COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY THAT NOT ONLY KEEPS THE KIDS SAFE, BUT ALSO THE STAFF WHO WORKS ON IT.
SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND HE'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, BUDGET WHEN WE WENT ALONG.
UM, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE SEE AS THE, THE BREAKOUT OF THE BUILDING.
NOW, IT'S STILL, THIS IS A, IN A CONCEPT STAGE, UM, LIKE THE DESIGN OF HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK, IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE NEXT STEP FORWARD AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT, BUT THIS WILL, I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE HOW THIS IS BROKEN OUT.
IF WE CAN SEE KIND OF UP AT THE FRONT, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE PUBLIC FACING THAT'S WHERE PUBLIC AND ABLE TO APPROACH THE BUILDING.
AND THEN FROM THEN ON IS THE SECURE PART.
ALL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH SECURE AREA.
SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT ON HERE IS PUBLIC ENTRANCE KIND OF LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE, I'M SORRY, ON THE LEFT SIDE.
AND EVERYBODY'S COMING IN THROUGH THAT MAIN LOBBY.
IT IS BEING GREETED BY THE RECEPTION AND THERE'S PUBLIC RESTROOMS. THERE'S THAT BESTIVAL THAT PEOPLE LET IN.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW OUT IF A PUBLIC NEEDS TO COME IN FOR VISITING,
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THEY WILL COME IN INTO, WELL, WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT A SECURE VESTIBULE ONCE YOU ARE, AND THIS IS KIND OF SEMI SECURE TO COME INTO THIS VESTIBULE, ALL THE, ALL THE DOOR, ALL THE DOORS, ALL THE DOORS THAT LEAD TO THAT ARE LOCKED BEFORE ONE GETS OPEN.SO ONLY ONE DOOR CAN OPEN AT A TIME.
THEN FROM THERE, THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE, UH, THE VISITATION AREA.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE CONTACT VISITATION AND ONE NON-CONTACT VISITATION ALSO LOCATED FOR OUT OF THAT AREA.
UM, THE KIDS WILL COME OUT FROM THE SECURE AREA HERE AND THEY MEET WHOEVER THEY NEED TO VISIT VISITING WITH ALSO FROM THIS, UH, PUBLIC LOBBY.
THAT WILL BE THE ACCESS FOR KIDS THAT NEED TO GO INTO SEEING, UH, JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICERS.
SO YOU HAVE, UM, BASED ON OUR PROGRAM, THE AMOUNT OF PROBATION OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UM, DOING THAT SERVICE ALSO FROM THAT MAIN LOBBY IS GOING TO BE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT NOW SMALL PROGRAM, THE JJP, UH, WHICH IS STILL ALLOWS FOR THOSE KIDS THAT DO NOT NEED TO BE ON THE DETENTION AREA, BUT ALSO THERE FOR SOME REASON CANNOT BE AT THE SCHOOL AT THE MOMENT.
SO THIS WILL ALLOW THAT FACILITY TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF SERVICE FOR THOSE KIDS.
AND THAT, THAT AI WILL ALSO HAVE AN AREA FOR OUTDOOR, UM, ACTIVITIES.
UM, THAT WILL BE KIND OF SERVING PART OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, FROM, FROM THE STAFF ENTRANCE, THE, THE STAFF HAS A KIND OF SECURE AREA.
UH, I'M GOING TO CALL IT SECURE.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE A KIND OF A FENCE THAT WEEK, ANY PARENT THAT FOR SOME REASON, COULD BE, UH, MAD OR SOMETHING, UH, AGAINST ONE OR THE OFFICER, FOR SOME REASON THAT THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY A GOOD, QUICK ACCESS TO GET THEM OR FIND THEM THERE AT THE FRONT DOOR.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE KIND OF LIKE SOME SEPARATION BUFFER BEFORE THEY GET TO THEIR CARS.
AND DEPENDING ON, ON THE DESIRE OF THAT, WE CAN EVEN SECURE THIS PARKING WITHOUT MORE LIKE A GATED, UH, UM, FENCING, BUT FROM THERE STAFF WAS ABLE TO COME IN.
UM, THERE'S AN AAF FOR THE DIRECTORS, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND STORAGE AND ADMINISTRATION, UH, WORKSTATIONS.
SO THIS IS MORE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OR THE FACILITY, EH, THE, IT ALSO CONTAINS A CONFERENCE AND BREAK ROOM.
AND THEN, UM, AS WE HAVE JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY, HOW, UM, PEOPLE ACCESS THIS, THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT KIND OF LIKE, UM, BOOKING, UM, INTAKE FOR JUVENILES THAT ARE EITHER COMING IN A SECURE VAN, OR IF THEY'RE COMING WITH A, UM, WITH AN OFFICER, THERE'LL BE TWO WAYS TO COME IN.
IF IT NEEDS TO BE SECURE, WE WILL HAVE THE VEHICLE OF SALAD PORT, WHICH BRINGS THEM IN THE VEHICLE, COMES IN THE, UH, OVERHEAD DOOR SHUTS DOWN AND THEY'RE SAFELY BRING INTO THE FACILITY WHERE THEY'RE PROCESSING FOR INTAKE.
UM, OTHER I'M JUST GONNA MOVE IT BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE, UH, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THE AMOUNT OF BEDS AT THIS POINT, WE'RE AIMING FOR A 24 BED FACILITY WITH A, UH, WITH A QUICK OPTION FOR THE FUTURE, UH, HOUSING ADDITION OF FOUR ADDITIONAL BEDS.
UM, IN THIS SCENARIO, WE DO HAVE, UH, 16 BEDS DECIDED FOR A MAIL KIT AND ONE, UH, A, A, A PERSON, UH, THEIR ROOM FOR A FEMALE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S TWO SETS OF MAIN CORRIDORS.
THIS TWO MAIN QUARTERS ALLOWED FOR THE POPULATION ON ONE SIDE TO RUN BACK AND FORTH TO THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT THE VERY TOP YOU HAD THE CLASSROOMS, UH, WE HAVE THE, THIS AIR RED AREA IS THE CONTROL CENTER, THE MASTER CONTROL CENTER, WHICH ALLOWS THE MAIN OFFICER WHO IS, UM, OPENING AND CLOSING ANY DOORS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MAIN PERIMETER OR THE FACILITY.
UM, NEXT TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, THE KITCHEN, UH, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL BLOWN KITCHEN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES ON HOW WE WANT TO FEED THE KIDS.
UM, IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP CONSIDERING THAT, UH, THE KIDS MAY FEEL MUCH BETTER IF THEY'RE HAVE A, A VERY, THE DEFINE DIET THAT IS DESIGNED FOR THEM.
AND THAT IN, THAT COMES FROM OTHER SOURCES NOW THAT'S, THAT CAN BE PART OF THE OPERATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FOR THE NO, BUT IN, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR COVID, UH, THIS WILL BE PREPARED IN CASE OF
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THERE'S A SHUTDOWN AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE FOOD FROM OTHER SOURCES.THERE'LL BE A PLACE WHERE FOOD CAN BE PROVIDED FOR THE KIDS.
IN-HOUSE WE WILL HAVE ALSO THE MEDICAL SERVICE, UM, THE EXAM ROOM, THERE'LL BE, UH, UH, NORTHERN STAFF.
UM, ALSO, UM, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL IT, THE NEGATIVE PRESSURE ROOMS. KIDS SOMETIMES MAY COME IN WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE, UH, CONTAGIOUS TO OTHER KIDS, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO BE HERE.
SO WE WILL HAVE THOSE, UH, APPROPRIATELY DONE FOR, FOR THEM.
UM, MOVING ALONG, JUST KIND OF GOING INTO THE CLASSROOM AREA.
THERE IS A BIGGER CLASSROOM FOR THE BIG, THE BIGGER AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT NEED TO BE IN THERE ON A SMALLER THIS CASE FOR FEMALE, UM, CLASSROOM.
NOW WE KEEP THEM SEPARATED THOUGH WITH THEIR SNOW MIX AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE TWO MAIN CORRIDORS.
THESE CORRIDORS ALLOWED FOR FEMALE KIDS TO BE GOING TO THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS EACH OTHER WITH A FEMALE TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT BE ALSO HAVING TO ACCESS TO THEM, SOME OF THOSE, UM, PROGRAM SPACES.
BUT NOW WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMMITTEE ON LIKE THE MALE SIDE, THERE THAT'S A SOLID WALL BETWEEN THEM.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A LOCKED CORRIDOR THAT GOES BETWEEN THEM, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE IT.
SO IF THERE'S MORE MALE OR LAST MALE, MORE FEMALE, WE COULD MOVE FEMALE OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE TOO.
AND SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT CENTER THING IS A GARDEN.
THERE'S A GARDEN STATION ON EACH SIDE, AND THE GUY CAN ROTATE FROM SIDE OF THE SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THERE, IF YOU NEED TO, UH, AND OR OF THERE CAN BE A GARDEN ON EITHER SIDE OR WHATEVER.
SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DESIGN.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY MULTIPLE USE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN DIVIDE IT UP AND YOU CAN ALWAYS KEEP THEM SEPARATE.
SO MY QUESTION, ONE OF MY BIG QUESTIONS WAS, WELL, WHO SAYS, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE, UH, MALES ACT UP THAN THERE ARE FEMALE STATISTICS, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THAT.
AND, AND I MEAN, GENERALLY YES, BUT I'M JUST SAYING EXACTLY.
AND I THINK WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS, THIS IS THE FACT THAT WHO WE SHARE WITH THE HIGHEST POPULATION GETS ON THE, UH, THE AREA IS REALLY NOT DESIGNATED JUST TO MAIL NECESSARILY.
IT'S JUST FOR THE GREATEST GENDER WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE LARGER LOCATION FOR THEM.
AND YES, THIS ALLOWED, UH, AN EASY FOR SIMPLE DURING DAYTIME.
YOU MAY HAVE AN OFFICER LOOKING, UH, IN THE LIVING ROOM FOR THE KIDS ON THIS SIDE AND ANOTHER OFFICER ON THIS SIDE AND MAYBE A NIGHTTIME, IT'S JUST ONLY ONE VML WHAT TO WATCH BOTH OF THEM.
THIS, WE JUST HAVE ONE PERSON UP NIGHTTIME ON THE NIGHT SHIFT, AND THE SAME SETUP WILL BE HERE ONCE WE ADD, UH, UH, FUTURE, UM, ADDITIONAL EIGHT BEDS TO THAT.
NOW, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS ONE IS HAVING THAT COURTYARD.
THIS REALLY ALLOWS THE KIDS TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO MIX THEM ALL UP.
THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE THE MAKE TO ONE RATIO EIGHT TO ONE RATIO.
SO, UH, THE OFFICER'S STILL WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, WHETHER THEY ARE ON THE OUTDOOR OR THE INCLEMENT WEATHER, THERE'S GOING TO BE ALSO A GYMNASIUM OR GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WON'T KEEP THEM FROM DOING THEIR OUTDOOR.
I MEAN, THE ACTIVITIES DURING THE DAY, THIS WILL BE A SECURE, UH, A MORE SECURE FENCE LOCATION.
AND WHAT YOU SEE OVER HERE IS THE CHEST KIND OF LIKE THE TERRAN TOP OF A FENCE.
UM, IN CASE OF, UH, LET'S SAY IN CASE OF A FIRE OR DRILL, UH, THIS COURTYARD ALSO ACTS AS A AREA OF REFUGE.
SO IT IS CAPABLE TO LOAD ALL THE KIDS WITHOUT HAVING TO LET THEM LOSE ON KIND OF AN EMERGENCY.
SO STILL EVEN THE QUESTION, WHETHER HE COULD STILL MOVE THEM TO THE GYM AND THERE'D BE A SEPARATE AREA BEING SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING A STORM CELLAR FARM OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WASN'T MENTIONED ALSO IS THE SPECIAL HOUSING.
THOSE ARE LIKE RIGHT ACROSS FROM CENTRAL CONTROL.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHOWER, THEIR OWN TOILET AND THEIR WAY TO BE KEPT IN THERE FOR THOSE KIDS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE SEPARATED OUT OF THE GENERAL POPULATION.
AND ALSO, I THINK WE DISCUSSED ALSO USING THAT, THAT J A P FOR ALSO IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE A COURTROOM FOR SOME SPECIAL PEOPLE THAT WE COULDN'T REALLY MOVE AROUND TOO WELL,
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THEY WERE BACKED UP TO BAND THE COURT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD USE IT AS A COURTROOM AND THE JUDGE COULD COME OVER AND I'M WRITING THEM RIGHT THERE.NOW WITH TECHNOLOGY, YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO VIRTUAL.
UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON THAT LOCATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN THE CONTACT VISITATION WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A VIRTUAL COMMUNICATION IN ANY OF THOSE ROOMS, WHETHER THAT HAS TO BE A CONNECTED TO, UH, SOME OF THE COURTROOMS, UH, AT THAT, UH, ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT BEING DOWN THERE WHERE THEY ARE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT THEM OVER TO THE ACTUAL COURTROOMS. SO WE SHOULDN'T REALLY NEED IT, BUT IF WE DO NEED IT FOR SOME ODD REASON AND BE THERE, WE HAVE SPACE FOR IT.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT SAME TRANSITION WOULD BE THE KID NEEDS.
IF WE FORCED THEM, THEY NEED TO BE STILL TRANSPORTED.
THAT'S WHAT THE SALLY PORT IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO IT AS IN A SAFELY MANNER.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN LIKE NEXT LIGHT JUST KIND OF STARTED TO GIVING YOU JUST A SENSE OF THE SCALE OF THIS FACILITY.
AGAIN, IS THIS IS JUST A CON WHAT WE CALL IT AS A CONCEPT MASSING, UH, JUST, STUFF'S GIVING YOU AN, A, AN IDEA OF, UH, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE INTO THE SITE? UM, YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE THAT PROPOSED DRIVE THAT IS COMING IN FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
THIS IS THE FOUR LANE DRIVE ADJACENT TO IT.
UH, YOU WOULD HAVE THE TWO ENTRANCES.
THEY BOTH CAN BE USED FOR PUBLIC OR, UM, OR STAFF, BUT THIS ONE WILL WRITE ON THIS LOCATION.
WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A CONTROL ACCESS, OR IT'S JUST SIMPLY, WE'LL HAVE A, JUST A SMALL FENCE THAT KEEPS, UH, PUBLIC JUST OUT OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS JUST STARTS GIVING YOU THIS.
THIS IS A STUDY THAT WE DO TO START THINKING WHERE WE MAY BE USING A NATURAL LIGHT TO COME INTO THE DIFFERENT SPACES, UM, BEFORE WE START REALLY GETTING INTO THE DESIGN, BUT THERE'S A LOT OPPORTUNITY TO THAT OR WHAT ALL THE AIR WOULD BE IN CLOSE WITH A PERIMETER FENCE.
UH, JUST KIND OF TALKING MORE ABOUT THE SITE CONTEXT.
UH, WE WOULD KNOW THAT THE SITE IS NEXT TO THE FLOOD, PLAIN, UH, AND THERE'S ALWAYS A, WE, UH, HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FURTHER LINE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO THAT IS EVEN FOR THE BUILDING.
SO WE'RE STILL IN FURTHER BACK FROM THAT.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THAT WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THE FLOOD.
PLAIN, OF COURSE, PATRICK PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE BUILT UP ALSO, RIGHT.
THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER THAN THE LAMP, BUT YES, UH, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WE ARE IN PROCESS OF GETTING THE SURVEY FOR THE SITE TO CONFIRM THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SOMETIMES THE, I MAY HAVE SOME CERTAIN CONTROLS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
SO AS THAT COMES BACK TO US, WE ARE ABLE TO CONFIRM THE ACTUAL LOCATION, BUT BASED ON THE PLANNING LOCATION, THE DECIDE, THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST, BEST LAYOUT.
SO THINGS SUCH AS THE OTHER ADDITIONAL IMAGES THAT ARE FIGURE UP, JUST PUT THEM IN ANY QUESTIONS, LAURA, WHAT'S THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, JUST BALLPARK PROJECTION, WHAT THAT JJP, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW MANY KIDS WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT? I REALLY DON'T.
I MEAN, WE'VE GONE FROM FOUR TO 40 IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT HERE IN KAUFMAN, THEY DIDN'T PASS THEIR BOND.
SO ANY HOPE THAT WE MIGHT'VE HAD IT BEEN ABLE TO START THIS BEFORE WE HAD THIS FACILITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY.
UM, BUT SHE DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS SIZE.
AND SHE SAID, SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET OUR NEED FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE COUNTY, NOT JUST FOR CAULKING FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE COUNTY, BUT SHE'S LOOKING AT THE COUNTY BECAUSE SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, UH, THE EDUCATIONAL PART OF THAT, THE JUVENILE BOARD.
AND THERE'S INTO MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE IT SITS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTING THE MONEY, THE TEACHERS.
AND THEN WE JUST ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH WHO'S GOING TO HIRE WHO AND PAY FOR WHAT, AND SHE, AND I'VE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
UH IT'S UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S AS COMPLICATED AS THE DETENTION PIECE OF IT, BUT SHE SHE'S, SHE IS REALLY GOOD.
AND WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE NOW AND GET STARTED AND HAVE THAT GOING BEFORE WE HAD A FACILITY.
AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TRYING TO DO SO MANY THINGS AT ONCE.
THAT'S PROBABLY JUST BEEN REALLY OPERATED
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AS OUR, UM, EXPERT IN THIS, OUR EDUCATION EXPERT, BECAUSE WE KNOW SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT.I MEAN, SHE'S THE SUPERINTENDENT THAT IT WILL AFFECT HER.
I'VE HAD OTHER SUPERINTENDENTS WHO HAVE SAID, I'M GLAD IT'S NOT MY COUNTY, NOT MY DISTRICT.
SHE'S, SHE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
WHEN DID THAT, I WANT TO SAY LOCATED WHERE IT'S LOCATED, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES.
IF THIS NEEDS TO GROW THIS AND YOU SEE POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH, THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, JUST SIMPLY A H ESTATE PAD, UH, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
NOW THE PROGRAM, FOR SOME REASON IS MOVED ELSEWHERE.
THIS WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR OFFICE GROW OR ADDITIONAL PROBATION OFFICERS.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S STILL GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST, BEST SET UP.
WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT THAT THERE.
THE WAY I SEE J J A P IS IT'S NOT A SKIP, BUT IT'S A STEP DOWN KID GOES TO DETENTION.
HE'S IN DETENTION, UH, SCHOOL.
WHEN HE GETS RELEASED FROM DETENTION, HE GOES TO JJ ADP.
AND THEN IF HE CAN'T MAINTAIN HIMSELF THERE OR IN THE PUBLIC THAT HE GOES BACK TO DETENTION SCHOOL.
SO IT'S KIND OF A WORKING HIS WAY OUT KIND OF THING.
OF COURSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT PICKY AT THIS POINT, BUT THIS MORE THAN MEETS OUR NEEDS.
I THINK I SEE THE POTENTIAL THERE FOR US TO GROW.
WE NEED TO GROW IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT IT CAN ADAPT TO THAT.
I KNOW THIS PROBABLY ISN'T YOUR EXACT AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT JUST AGAIN, GENERALLY FROM THE DAY DIRT STARTED PUSHING TO THE DAY THIS WOULD OPEN IS WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE IN TIME? THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, NOBODY FORCED FACILITY, LIKE DID YOU PROBABLY LOOK IN 16 MONTHS, 16, 16 MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT TO CONSTRUCT TWO CONSTITUTES A CONSTRUCT.
NOW THERE'S STILL DESIGN PHASE THAT WE STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I ACTUALLY HAD GETTING EMAILS.
SO I GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY FROM ELLIS COUNTY, WHEN ARE, Y'ALL GOING TO OPEN ENDED YET, BUT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE VERY DESPERATE OF THEY'RE THEY'RE WHITE THEY'RE.
THEY'RE LIKE WHERE WE WERE THREE YEARS AGO KIND OF RECOGNIZING WHERE THEY ARE AND, UH, SHE'S RELATIVELY NEW CHIEF.
AND SO LAURA, THERE WAS SOME, I THINK SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE ABOUT POSSIBLY WORKING WITH, UH, OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, UH, FOR A FACILITY.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY MORE TALK LIKE THAT OR? WELL, THE NOTES ARE, WE KNOW THE ONLY OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW THAT ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT ARE ELLIS COUNTY.
NOBODY ELSE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.
HE'S NOT EVEN JOHNSON COUNTY, WHICH THEY'RE BEING JUST, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST NOT, UH, THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU TRY TO GO TOGETHER AND SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM EACH COUNTY ON A BOARD WHO OVERSEES IT, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE LIABILITY, THE JUVENILE BOARD HAS THE LIABILITY.
SO WHEREVER THAT FACILITY SITS IS WHO ULTIMATELY REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED BECAUSE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUVENILE BOARD YOU'RE GOING TO BOARD, DO YOU HAVE AN ALL BOARD HAS TO CERTIFY THAT FACILITY.
IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THERE FROM ANOTHER COUNTY WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY, DIFFERENT IDEA, THEN THERE'S JUST CONFLICT.
THERE WAS A REGIONAL FACILITY, GRAYSON COUNTY, FANNIN COUNTY.
AND I FORGOT THE YOUNG COUNTY ANYWAY.
THEY WENT IN TOGETHER AND BUILT IT, BUT THEY DON'T RUN IT TOGETHER.
NOW THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT WITH CONTRACTS, BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK THAT WAY FOR THAT REASON.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
HE CAME OUT BETTER BECAUSE NOW THEY JUST HAVE A CONTRACT WITH BEDS IN IT.
AND THEY, THEY DID UNTIL THEY GOT FULL UNTIL THEY GOT FULL.
WE'RE KIND OF LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY'RE REALLY NOT GETTING PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
BUT IT'S MEDICINE, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE STATE KIND OF FIXED THE PROBLEM ON THE EDUCATION PART.
AND THEY AIN'T SAYING WHERE IT IS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULDN'T SAY THE SAME FOR THESE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.
THEY HAVE SENT THE SAME THING.
SO YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE WHERE THAT FACILITY SITS IS WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
AND IT'S JUST, YEAH, WELL, IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IN IT WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE ANDREW AND NOT SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S RIGHT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL BUILD, I'VE JUST NOT FOUND ANY WAY TO GET ANY BUY-IN FROM EVERYBODY ELSE IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE.
AND NOBODY ELSE HAS EITHER A COURSE, ONCE IT'S BUILT, THEN WE CAN DO, LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE CAN CONTRACT.
NOW I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, I'D NEVER PAY THAT.
I GUARANTEE YOU, WE WOULD PAY 250.
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I'M ON CAMERA.I JUST REMEMBER THAT AS I LOOKED AROUND EVERY DEATH PATTERN.
I MEAN, IF YOU COULD, IF I COULD GUARANTEE, I MEAN, I, THAT IS THE MESSAGE I'VE PUT OUT THERE.
TELL ME WHAT IT WOULD BE WORTH TO YOU TO STAFF THOSE BECAUSE SOME DALLAS COUNTY HAS SOME BEDS THEY'RE NOT STAFFING.
WHAT WOULD IT BE WORTH TO YOU TO STAFF THOSE BEDS? WELL, AT THIS POINT, NOT A THING YOU CAN'T KNOW, THERE'S NO, YOU CAN'T PAY ME ENOUGH TO GUARANTEE YOU ACCESS TO THOSE BEDS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WE'VE DONE THAT.
WE DID THAT AND WE'VE DONE THAT FOREVER.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR 15.
WE DID THAT FOR UNTIL 2016 WITH HUNTER COUNTY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
WHEN OTHER COUNTIES WERE HAVING A PROBLEM, WE DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS. WE HAD ACCESS TO EVERY BED.
HUCK COUNTY HAD, THEY NEVER TURNED US DOWN.
IT WAS JUST 35 MILES DOWN THE ROAD.
AND WE HAVE CALLED THEM AND ASKED THEM TO OPEN THAT BACK UP.
WHAT W WHAT, BY WHOM WOULD THEY WANT FROM OUR COUNTY? THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN, BUT I KNOW HOW ALSO CALLED THE COUNTY JUDGE.
HE CALLED THE COUNTY JUDGE AND IT'S SITTING THERE EMPTY.
NOW I GOT TO SAY THAT WE DID ENTERTAIN THE 32 BED FOR QUITE A BIT ON THE ORIGINAL, UM, BACK AND FORTH COORDINATION THAT WE HAD, UH, AS BEST, BEST FACILITY.
NOW WE WERE TO COMPROMISE AND STILL GET THIS GOING FOR, FOR THE MIGHT OF THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED.
THE 24 BEDS IS THE BEST, THE BEST LAYOUT HAVING THAT FUTURE, UH, LOCATION, UH, IN PLACE.
SO IT'S AN EASY ADD ON IF, AS WE SEE HERE IN THE NEXT, UM, 14 MONTHS, WE WERE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE WE'RE STILL DOING, AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED ON, UH, IT'S AN EASY ADDITION.
INITIALLY, WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, SO JUST TO, UH, I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY COVERED THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON IT THROUGH THE JUVENILE BOARD.
IS THERE ANY, ANY ACCESS AT ALL TO, TO EVEN SUPPLEMENTAL STATE FUNDING, ANY KIND OF PARTICIPATORY FUNDING OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTY FOR THIS? NO, NO, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE, UH, THE THREE COUNTY FACILITY WAS BUILT WITH SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT NO LONGER EXIST.
MAYBE HE'S WANTING TO BUY SOMETHING REALLY, MAN, SO MUCH.
I HAVE BOX TALK TO OTHER CHIEFS AND THEIR, OF THEIR CONDITIONERS.
THEY DON'T EVEN GO INTO THEIR COMMISSIONERS AND TELLING THEM WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO IT.
YOU NEED TO BE TELLING THEM BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
NOBODY'S DEALING WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S BUSY, EVERYBODY'S THE CRIME'S UP, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS HERE.
THEY'RE NOT ADJACENT TO DALLAS COUNTY AND THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY HAVE BAD MOMENTS.
AND THEN THEY HAD SETTLES THAT WE DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE NOT SETTLING DOWN.
IF WE HAD FOUR INTAKES TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS A BUSY WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO.
BUT IF YOU HAD THE, HEY, IF YOU HAD THE FACILITY, MAN, HAVE YOU ASKED HIM? I HAVE MORE, I HAVE A THEORY THAT INITIALLY WE WOULD FILL IT OUT, BUT THEN IT, AND THEN IT WILL SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A QUICK AND FAST CONSEQUENCE.
RIGHT? SO ONCE YOU'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND THEY KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE ROD, WHETHER YOU'RE DETAINED OR NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE CUFFED.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN THE CAR AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FACILITY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN THOSE LOCKED DOORS.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME KIDS, THEY DO PATCH OFF.
I MADE IT ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO IMPOSE CONSEQUENCES ON THIS, GET TO GO HOME.
AND AS WE KNOW, THIS IS A GROWING COUNTY.
AND JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER FACILITIES, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL ONE IS GOING TO BE THIS POINT IN TIME THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND YES, AND, AND IS, IS GOING TO COST DOLLARS FOR, FOR THE COUNTY TO GET IT DONE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT PROFIT BEING, MAKING A FOR PROFIT, UH, PERHAPS IT'S NOT MAIDEN DUMPED FOR PROFIT, BUT HE'S JUST, WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF TO BE SPENDING MONEY ELSEWHERE.
THIS MAY BE IN HOUSE AND WE, AND WE HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.
I MEAN, THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE IS JUST SO MUCH BETTER THAN THERE'S JUST NO.
WELL, I KNOW ONE THING IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA EVER GET ANY CHEAPER
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NOW.AND, AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IN 2016, I CALLED TRAINER A ARCHITECTURE FIRM WHO WAS, HAD JUST FINISHING AT BUILDING BRASSES COUNTY SNARE DETENTION CENTER.
I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT OUR NEEDS, WHERE WE WERE, THEY MADE A PROPOSAL TO DO A FACILITY.
I MEAN, A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR US, BUT THEY GAVE ME A ROUGH BUILDING BUDGET FOR 24 BED, 18 TO 22 MILLION WAS WHAT THEY TOLD US IN 2016.
SO WHAT WE'RE HEARING NOW IS A WHOLE LOT BETTER DEAL THAN THAT.
AND, UH, THEY'RE BUILDING ONE IN, UH, HECTOR COUNTY COUNTY.
THAT'S A 60, WELL, THE ONE THAT, THE ONE EVENTUALLY FULLY THAT THEY'RE QUOTING AT 28 IS 2 64 64 62.
YEAH, THIS IS MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER.
I IS MUCH, MUCH DUNKIN TOO MUCH CREDIT YET.
THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE.
AND IT IS BASED ON, I'M NOT SURE.
OR TWO STORY, WHAT ELSE? YEAH.
WELL, WE TRIED, WE TRIED, WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH THE REAL NEEDS AND WE HAD TO BET OUT THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE DON'T REALLY NEED AT THIS POINT.
SO WE CAN HAVE A FACILITY DONE AND DO THE SERVE, YOU KNOW, SERVE THE CANDIDATE THAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT WILL MAKE IT BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS WHISTLES AND BELLS W BUT THERE'S SOME THAT IT'S JUST, WE CAN JUST GET IT TO MAKE IT RUN WHAT YOU NEED TO, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE A SUIT RIGHT NOW, SO YOU NEED ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S, WE'D HAVE TO GO WITH THE START THAT WAY.
BUT, AND YES, LOOKING AT THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH SO MUCH BILATERALLY, UM, BUT BASED ON THE NUMBERS, YEAH.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I'M GOING TO SAY 34,000 SQUARE FEET FACILITY.
TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO BE TELLING, BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THAT.
AND I JUST TELL HER WHAT YEARS IT IS HERE HE IS.
IT'S THE THREE THERE'S ALL OUT THERE.
AND ON OTHER STUFF, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
[14. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider permission to solicit RFP 22-10: Construction of the Kaufman County Sheriff's Substation. ]
GONNA MOVE ON TO THE LAND AND, AND THE 14 OR 15 OR WHATEVER, WE ARE 14 ON THE SHELF ON THE SHERIFF'S STUBS.THEY SAY, OKAY, IT'S CUSTOMS. CONSIDER THE PERMISSIONS TO SOLICIT RFP 22 DAYS 10, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S SUBSTATION.
WE ARE VERY GLAD TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND GALLAGHER IN KAUFMAN COUNTY IS READY TO GO OUT FOR BID.
SO FINGERS CROSSED BIDS, COME BACK.
GOOD, TOMMY, AND WE'LL COME BACK.
AND SO WE'RE PUSHING FOR A JULY START DATE ON THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'LL BE PLANNING A GROUNDBREAKING THEN, AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THE CONTRACTS IN PLACE BY THE END OF JUNE.
I THINK THE SHERIFF'S EXCITED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IT ABOUT IT THOUSAND TIMES NOW, BUT THEY'LL HAVE ANY GREAT QUESTION FOR THE SOME DATES AND THEN I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMITTEE, COMMISSIONER CATES, AND THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, MOTION CARRIES.
NOW WE'RE AT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED 16 WHEN MOVED TO 17, THEN RANGELAND SMITH, ONE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE FUNDING OF PRECINCT ONE AND THREE COUNTY ROAD AND BRIDGE PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT OF 200.
AND YOU DID AT THE VERY FIRST AND THEN
[16. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of Authorization of Timeline Extension for the Road Bond Program Management Support Task Order No.19 between Kaufman County and Teague Nail and Perkins, Inc. in the amount of $48,000.00. ]
WELL, WE'LL DO 16 IF YOU WANT TO.WHAT IS IT? ANYWAY, THIS IS DISCUSSING APPROVAL, A LITTLE ALSO
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REALIZATION OF THE TIMELINE EXTENSION FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SUPPORT AND TASK ORDER 19 BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND DNP AND THE AMOUNT OF $48,000.SO THIS WILL, WHAT THIS WILL DO IS GIVE YOU ANOTHER 24 WEEKS, UM, FOR YOUR ROAD OBSERVATIONS.
AND ALSO THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL KNEW THAT THE FUNDING WAS COMING FROM BOND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, AND THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF YOUR COUNTY ROAD FUNDING.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND SO WE WILL REVISIT THIS AT THE END OF 24 WEEKS, FEELING THAT WORD A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN AND COMPLETED QUITE QUITE A FEW ROADS, EMOTIONAL APPROVE IT IS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CASE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA, SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.
[17. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of Road Construction Contracts and Associated Funding for Precincts 1 and 3 County Road & Bridge Projects in the amount of $259,995.99. ]
NOW WE'LL MOVE BACK 17 AND REVISIT THIS AGAIN.APPROVAL OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE ASSOCIATED FUNDING FOR PRECINCT ONE AND THREE ROAD AND BRIDGE PROJECTS, AND THE AMOUNT OF 259,995 PLAN.
UH, WHAT YOU HAVE IS WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP BETWEEN THE LINE ITEMS AS WE'VE HAD PROJECTS COMPLETE WITH FINAL INVOICES, YOU DO SEE AN INCREASE IN ROAD AND BRIDGE ONE, UH, FOR FUNDING, THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE BOND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
THIS IS BECAUSE THERE WAS ADDITIONAL MATERIAL TESTING THAT WAS BEING REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEER FOR ABNER PHASE ONE INTO.
AND SO RATHER THAN THAT, COMING DIRECTLY FROM HIS COUNTY ROAD BALANCE AT JOHN WAS ABLE TO PULL THAT FROM ANOTHER LINE, ADAM, SO THAT IT DIDN'T IMPACT HIS ROAD BUDGET.
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS JUST MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE FINAL INVOICES THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE OTHER PRECINCTS WORKED FOR ME.
EMOTIONAL PROOF IS WRITTEN NOW SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CATES AND THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE.
AND WHEN WE WENT DOWN TO 18 AND COMMISSIONER HUNT, UH, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, WE'LL JUST, UH, PASS ON THAT ONE AND, UH, THEY CAN PUT IT BACK ON ANOTHER ONE.
[19. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item transfers. ]
WE'LL MOVE THAT TEAM AND DO THE AUDITOR AND CONSIDER LINE ITEM TRANSFERS.YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LINE ON THEM TRANSFERS.
CAN I ASK FOR YOUR PERMIT PLEASE? AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.
[20. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment. ]
THAT WE'LL MOVE TO 20 AUDITOR AGAIN AND DISCUSS THE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.WE'RE AT YOUR CLIENT'S FOR PAYMENT OR 1,000,830 $9,155 AND 63 CENTS A PAYROLL OF 1,000,440 2070 $9 AND 50 CENTS.
UM, AND YOUR BILLS, YOUR EXPENDITURE, YOUR HIGHEST ONE WAS $734,000 TO, UH, THE CITY OF TERROR FOR THE TIF AND THE POWER CENTER.
AND THEN WE PAID PROPERTY INSURANCE BRIDGES AND LEASE IN SOME OF YOUR, IN YOUR ROAD, BONDS AND MISCELLANEOUS.
CAN I HAVE YOUR APPROVAL ON THE BILLS? YOU CAN SAYS, I DIDN'T GET A MOTION.
WE'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
AND KATE'S MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT AND COMMISSIONER MARBURN'S SECONDS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, MOTION CARRIES.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE END OF OUR MOTION.
[21. Adjourn Meeting ]
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.