[1. HOK Architects; Receive updates for Phase III - Kaufman County Facilities Master Plan.]
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I WANT TO SAY, GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MAYOR JORDAN.
AND SO WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE READY, I GUESS WE'RE READY.
LET ME CHANGE MY CURSOR SIZE SO THAT I CAN POINT SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE, AS I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, CAN YOU JUST ONE MOMENT NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING OR, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
I'M NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT DEFINITELY HELPS IF THE BIG YELLOW ARROW A LOT BETTER.
YOU CAN, I, I JUST FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, AND IT'S APPARENTLY A NEW FEATURE THAT MICROSOFT HAS.
AND SO WHEN GIVING PRESENTATIONS IT IS MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS, DON'T THINK THEY DO.
SO NOW IT SEEMS REALLY OBNOXIOUS, BUT DOING THIS IT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M NOT.
UM, SO WE WE'RE, I'M HILARY JONES AND I'M WITH HOK AND WE WERE TASKED WITH, UM, COMING UP WITH THE, SORT OF THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS THE GUIDANCE FOR THE COUNTY TO, UM, LOOK AT ALL OF THE COUNTY FACILITIES AND, UH, REALLY TAKE A GOOD LOOK AND ASSESS EACH FACILITY, UH, INDIVIDUALLY.
AND AS PART OF THAT, UH, MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE JP COURTS.
UM, WE LOOKED AT, UM, THE, UH, TAX OFFICES.
WE LOOKED AT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ELECTIONS, WHERE WE LOOKED AT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE THAT WE HAVE HERE, OUR ANNEX BUILDING.
I MEAN, WE REALLY TOOK THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO, THE BREADTH OF THE PORTFOLIO INTO ACCOUNT HERE.
SO THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT HERE IS ONLY PART OF THAT OVERALL STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO THE COURT FOR THE MASTER PLAN IN THIS STUDY IS IN PARTICULAR FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND FOR THE ANNEX.
SO WE FIRST CAME TO THE COURT AND WE PRESENTED IN 2021, THE FIRST BEGINNING PART OF OUR STUDY, WHICH WAS FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND THE ANNEX BUILDING.
WE WENT IN AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE OVERALL FACILITY OF THE COURTHOUSE AND ITS FUNCTION WHO WAS IN THERE.
UH, AND THEN WE DID THE SAME FOR THE ANNEX BUILDING.
AND PART OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE DID WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO EACH AND EVERY, UH, GROUP THAT WAS HOUSED WITHIN EACH OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND WE DID SOME PROGRAMMING SESSIONS, SOME INTERVIEWS, AND WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE FUTURE REQUIREMENTS OF EACH OF THESE PARTICULAR GROUPS IS AND WHAT IT SHOULD BE OVER THE NEXT FUTURE YEARS, WHICH ARE, THINK OUR PERSPECTIVES WAS LOOKING AT 20 YEARS.
SO IN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THOSE, WHAT THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR COUNTY FUNCTIONS, UH, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT KIND OF BUILDING PROJECTS THE COUNTY WAS, UM, LOOKING AT SORT OF MOVING FORWARD, WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE COULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE COURTHOUSE AND THE ANNEX BUILDING MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE FIRST PART OF OUR STUDY, WHICH IS WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL OPTION ONE THAT WE PRESENTED WAS THE MIGRATION OF SOME OF THE COUNTY SERVICES OUT OF THE ANNEX AND INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
THIS OF COURSE WOULD BE MADE POSSIBLE BY THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, NEW JUSTICE CENTER COMPLEX THAT WAS BEING BUILT.
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE WOULD THEN BE LEFT EMPTY FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, WE WOULD STILL HAVE A FUNCTION THAT WOULD GO ON IN THE ANNEX BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S UNDER UTILIZED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE USE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE BUILDING TO DO THAT.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY ABLE TO USE IT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.
AND THAT THAT EXTRA SPACE PROVIDES US WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FOR THOSE COUNTY FUNCTIONS TO GROW OVER THE YEARS.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS FOR US TO SORT OF SHUFFLE THINGS AROUND IN THAT ANNEX BUILDING AND GET US, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, SPACE LAYOUT AND, UH, AGAIN, GROWTH FOR THOSE PARTICULAR FUNCTIONS IN THAT ANNEX BUILDING.
SO WHAT THIS CALLS FOR, AND LET
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ME POINT OUT HERE IS WE'VE PROVIDED A, UH, A MATRIX DOWN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REAL VALUE IS HERE.WE CALL IT OUR VALUE MATRIX, AND IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS OPTION, WHAT THE SNAPSHOT OF THIS IS.
SO IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY AND, UM, YOUR ROI, YOU KNOW, YOUR ADDED VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS A REALLY QUICK AND EASY WAY TO ASSESS WHAT THIS PARTICULAR OPTION LOOKS LIKE IN THIS OPTION.
ONE, WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH THE RENOVATION OF THE COURTHOUSE AND RENOVATING BOTH THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE ANNEX, BUILDING REPAVING THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AND CONNECTING IT.
WE WOULD CONNECT, UH, THE PARKING LOT HERE.
WE WOULD HAVE JOIN EVERYTHING.
SO IT WOULD BE A NICE, NICELY RESURFACED AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OPTIONS, THE ABILITY TO RESTRIPE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO ADDED INTO OUR STUDY BECAUSE WE WON'T NEED THAT, UH, PARALLEL PARKING THAT'S ALONG THE NORTH SIDE CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THOSE, UH, FUNCTIONS THAT REQUIRE, UH, THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL BE GONE.
SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR OPTION IS PHASED IN TWO DISTINCT PHASES.
THE FIRST PHASE, UH, REQUIRES THE, UH, COURTHOUSE RENOVATION TO HAPPEN.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE PLAN FOR ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS TO MOVE INTO THE COURTHOUSE, UH, USING ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED FROM ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING SESSIONS.
SO WE HAVE OUR FUTURE GROWTH PLANS AND WE, THE, THE NUMBER ONE, UH, ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN DOING THIS IS THAT WE HAVE AN INTERIM PHASE.
SO OUR LEVEL ONE WOULD TEMPORARILY IN PHASE ONE HOUSE, OUR TAX OFFICE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF OUR BACK OF HOUSE COUNTY FUNCTIONS INTO LEVEL TWO AND MANY OF THEM INTO LEVEL ONE.
UH, BUT OUR TAX OFFICE WOULD HAVE AN INTERIM PLACE.
ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OPTION IS THAT THE ELECTIONS BUILDING BLESS YOU, THE ELECTIONS BUILDING, OR I'M SORRY, THE ELECTIONS IS ACTUALLY HOUSED HERE IN THIS COURTHOUSE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SPLIT ELECTIONS UP INTO TWO AREAS, ONE BEING THE ENTIRE BASEMENT AREA.
AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE IN LEVEL ONE AND WE WOULD USE WHAT IS NOW THE EXISTING COURTROOM HERE FOR ELECTION SPACE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING OF NOTE AND YOU'LL SEE WHY.
SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS THAT WHILE ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, WE WOULD THEN ADDRESS THE ANNEX BUILDING AND WE WOULD HAVE TO RENOVATE THE ANNEX BUILDING.
SO ONCE WE BEGIN TO RENOVATE THE ANNEX BUILDING, THIS MEANS A COMPLETE REWORK OF THIS BUILDING ON THE INTERIOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND LEVEL TWO WOULD HAVE SOME TEA, SOME RENOVATION, BUT WE WOULD WORK TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF IT AS POSSIBLE, BUT BE ABLE TO STILL FIT THE FUNCTIONS IN AND ALLOW FOR GROWTH, UH, SOMETHING TO KNOW HERE.
HOWEVER, IS THAT IN ORDER TO RENOVATE THE INTERIOR OF THIS EXISTING BUILDING FOR THE ANNEX REQUIRES SOME SUBSTANTIAL WORK IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO IT CAN BE DONE, BUT IT WILL TAKE QUITE SOME TIME AND SOME, SOME REAL BRAIN POWER TO BE ABLE TO DO THE KIND OF RENOVATION THAT IT WILL REQUIRE TO GET THIS OPTION GOING.
JUST EXPAND ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, HILLARY, WHAT KIND OF, UM, LIKE WHAT W W WHAT SORT OF, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING? WHAT SORT OF THINGS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IN THIS BUILDING IS PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH SEVERAL MASSES OF STARS GETTING TOGETHER.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO A OPEN SPACE IN THAT CENTER, WE WILL REQUIRE TO REALLY MAYBE OUTSET SOME OF THAT STRUCTURE IN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT CAN BE DONE EXCEPT THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME METICULOUS SPANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS IN FACT THE WAY TO DO IT.
IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S DONE WOULD BE PRETTY WELL EXECUTED SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, AN ENLARGED LOBBY SPACE AND WE COULD GET THE TAX OFFICE SORT OF REARRANGED.
SO IT WOULD RUN A BIT MORE EFFICIENTLY.
WE WOULD GET OUR DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT IN HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND OUR LEVEL TWO WOULD HAVE OUR FIRE MARSHALL AND, AND MORE OF THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OF FILAMENT.
UM, BUT THIS SECOND PHASE ALSO THEN, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE OUR TAX OFFICE INTO, BACK INTO THE ANNEX, WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO GIVE THIS, UH, WING BACK TO THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS.
SO WE WOULD IN FACT, BE GIVING, UH, THE LION'S SHARE OF LEVEL ONE IN
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THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE OVER TO THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.SO THE OTHER PART OF DOING THE ANNEX IS THAT WE WOULD RE SKIN, RIGHT? SO I SAID, WE DO THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO THIS IS, UH, JUST, UH, A RENDERING TO SORT OF CONSIDER WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
AND SO WE WOULD, UH, BASICALLY WHEN WE CALL IT RE-SKIN, WE WOULD RENOVATE THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND BRING IT UP.
SO IT WOULD LOOK A BIT MORE MODERN, UH, AND SPEAK A BIT MORE ARCHITECTURALLY FROM BOTH THE COURTHOUSE INTO THE ANNEX.
SO THEY HAD SORT OF A MATCHED FEEL IN SOME REGARD, UH, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE A BIT MORE MODERN.
SO THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, JUST A RENDERING SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE.
THIS CONCEPT ALSO KIND OF ADDRESSES THE PARKING AS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING MORE FROM THAT PARKING AREA TO ANSWERS THE TAX OFFICE.
IT REALLY, REALLY MAKES THAT ENTRANCE, THE PLACE TO COME IN TO THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH ACTUALLY IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN NOW, SO THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE, ALTHOUGH A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY SORT OF HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THE MORE OFFICIAL LOOK OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, I SEE PEOPLE OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, ALL THE TIME THAT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE BRAIN, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE THE COMPLETION OF THE TWO PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
UH, AND SO WE DO WHAT WE CALL A SNAPSHOT VIEW HERE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE, THE STACK WOULD LOOK LIKE AT COMPLETION.
AND THE RENOVATION FOR THE ANNEX IS ON THE BOTTOM HERE.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT COMPLETION.
IF YOU HAVE A PACK AND YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, THERE ARE ENLARGED VIEWS IN THE APPENDIX.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, BUT I DO HAVE THE OVERALL STRATEGY, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE DEPARTMENT STACK HERE.
AND THIS IS WHO WOULD BE HOUSED IN EACH OF THESE PARTICULAR BUILDING LOCATIONS.
AND THE OTHER PART OF OUR, UH, OPTION FOR OPTION ONE IS OUR COST SHEET.
AND THIS IS THE OVERALL BREAKDOWN TO BE ABLE TO DO THE RENOVATION REQUIRED THAT WE'RE USING AS AN ESTIMATE FOR BOTH THE COURTHOUSE AND FOR THE ANNEX BUILDING.
OPTION TWO WAS PRESENTED NOT TOO LONG AGO THIS YEAR.
AND OPTION TWO, WE WERE ASKED TO DO A STUDY AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO GET RID OF THE ANNEX BUILDING.
IS THERE A WAY TO DIVEST THIS AND FIT EVERYBODY INTO ONE SINGULAR LOCATION? CAN WE FIT THEM INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE? SO OPTION TWO IS THE DIVESTING OF THE ANNEX BUILDING.
AND THEN WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
SO WOULD WE WOULD RESURFACE IT AND WE WOULD RESTRIPE IT.
AND WE WOULD GAIN SOME PARKING OVER HERE BECAUSE IT WOULD CERTAINLY WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO RESTACK EVERYBODY INTO THE EXISTING HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE CAN'T ACTUALLY FIT EVERYBODY INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE IN THAT WAY.
WE DO NEED TO USE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS, UH, TO BEST SERVE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYBODY IN AND THROUGH OUR PROGRAMMING SESSIONS AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO HAVING PEOPLE LOCATED IN OTHER AREAS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY JUST WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO OUR STUDY BEGAN TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
SO THE FIRST, UH, THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS HOW DO WE FIT THE MOST OF THE COUNTY FUNCTIONS INTO THIS HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND HOW DO WE DO IT EFFICIENTLY? AND IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT LEVEL ONE NOW HOUSES THE TAX OFFICE OF THE COURTHOUSE, AND THERE IS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT STILL REMAINS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE NOW SEE A CHANGE.
THIS IS WHERE WE SEE THAT WE CAN PLAN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT, AND WE CAN HAVE COUNTY ENGINEER IN ONE WING HERE.
SO IT WOULD BE CO-LOCATED WITH THE TAX OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY CONVENIENT.
UH, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO LOCATE OUR FIRE MARSHAL IN THE BASEMENT AREA.
THE NICE PART ABOUT THIS, ALTHOUGH WE CAN STILL MAKE SORT OF A ONE-STOP SHOP IS THERE IS IN FACT, A SET OF COMMUNICATING STAIRS FOR BOTH THE BASEMENT LEVEL AND FOR LEVEL ONE.
SO THEY COULD IN FACT WORK TOGETHER AND GO BACK AND FORTH VIA THESE INTERIOR STAIRS, THE STAIRS THAT ARE IN THE COMMON CORRIDOR OR THROUGH THE, UH, ELEVATOR.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS, LIKE I MENTIONED, WAS THAT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY
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FIT EVERYBODY INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.THERE ARE SOME FUNCTIONS THAT WON'T FIT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS POINTING OUT IN OUR OPTION, ONE IS THAT ELECTIONS, IF WE PUT HIM INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, THEY THEN WOULD BE SEPARATED ON TWO FLOORS.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ELECTIONS, THAT IS A TOUGH JOB.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF, OF EQUIPMENT TO MOVE AROUND.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS PROCESS THAT GOES INTO, UH, UH, GETTING THE ELECTIONS UP AND RUNNING.
AND IT ESSENTIALLY RUNS IN MANY WAYS, LIKE AN ASSEMBLY LINE.
AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO IT BECOMES CHALLENGING FOR OUR ELECTIONS GROUP TO, TO HAVE TO MOVE IN BETWEEN TWO FLOORS, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE KIND OF SPACE THEY NEED.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO KNOW FROM OUR ELECTIONS GROUP, WHETHER IT BE THIS COUNTY OR ANY OTHER COUNTY IS NO MATTER WHAT COUNTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE ELECTIONS, UH, DEPARTMENT IS GROWING AT A PRETTY RAPID RATE EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH RATES IN ALL OF THE SURROUNDING DFW COUNTIES.
SO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A NEED FOR MORE STAFF, WHETHER IT BE TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT FOR THAT ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
WHEREAS SOME OF THE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, WE UNDERSTAND CAN WORK IN A MORE AUTOMATED WAY MOVING INTO THE FUTURE.
SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME KIND OF GROWTH OR NEED FOR THOSE PARTICULAR COUNTY FUNCTIONS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO KNOW THAT THE BEST OPTION IN OPTION TWO IS TO LOCATE THE ELECTIONS, BUILDING OUT TWO IT'S A SITE UNTO ITSELF.
AND WE THINK THAT THE INDIGENT HEALTH AND THE VETERAN SERVICES, WE COULD RELOCATE INTO A PLAN THAT WE HAD ALREADY WORKED FOR IN PART OF OUR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH IS OUT TO THE POOR FARM.
OUR MASTER PLAN FOR THE POOR FARM COVERS ALL KINDS OF AREAS WITHIN, UH, THE POOR FARM, WHICH HAS THINGS LIKE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND THERE'S THE GREENHOUSE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, THAT WE ADDED IN OUR STUDY WAS BEING ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER, THE VETERANS AREA THAT WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THIS SITE.
THERE IS IN FACT, THE MEMORIAL WALL THAT IS OUT HERE ALREADY, AND THERE IS A PARK THAT'S HERE.
AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS AND REQUESTS, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA WAS TO ADD A PAVILION IN OUR PLANNING OF THIS.
UH, INITIALLY WE HAD ADDED IN AN OFFICE FOR OUR VETERANS SERVICES OFFICER TO BE OUT THERE SO THAT HE COULD BEST SERVE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY.
AND IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE THERE WERE IN FACT, UH, THINGS THAT GO ON OUT HERE TO SERVICE THE VETERANS.
AND THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, GATHERINGS AND CEREMONY THAT ALREADY HAPPENS OUT HERE.
SO IT SEEMED TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO ACTUALLY LOCATE OUR VETERAN SERVICES GUY OUT INTO THIS AREA.
SO THIS IN FACT IS ALREADY ROLLED UP INTO OUR OVERALL STRATEGY FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS POOR FARM SITE SITE.
AND THE OTHER OPTION, UH, HERE IS THAT WE WOULD, CO-LOCATE THE INDIGENT HEALTH AND THE HISTORIC COMMISSION OUT AT THE LIBRARY EXPANSION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WITH THIS MASTER PLAN IS IN FACT, THIS LIBRARY EXPANSION, THIS WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ADDITION TO THE COUNTY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH, UH, ALONG WITH THE LIBRARIAN, HOW TO BEST SERVICE THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY AND THE WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE, ARE UTILIZING THE LIBRARY AND HOW IT CAN BEST SERVE PEOPLE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW IS THROUGH AN INTERNET AND SORT OF SERVICE CAFE AREA, UM, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD MORE BOOKS IN ANY, ANY DIRECTION, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS IN FACT, UH, GOING TO BE A GENEALOGICAL, UH, EDITION OUT HERE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, A NICE ADDITION FOR THE COUNTY IN CO-LOCATING THE HISTORIC COMMISSION OUT AT THE, I BELIEVE AS, AS I WAS TOLD THE OLDEST AND STILL FUNCTIONING, ONLY FUNCTIONING POOR FARM IN THE WHOLE STATE, IT'S A TREMENDOUS ADD TO HAVE THE HISTORIC COMMISSION BE A PART ON THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS, UH, BE PART OF A LIBRARY EXPANSION, WHICH WOULD THEN HELP ALSO SERVE SOME OF THAT, UH, GENEALOGY, UM, ADDITION THAT WE HAVE THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE KNOW FROM INDIGENT HEALTH IS THEY'RE GENERALLY THE AGED POPULATION AND MOSTLY READERS.
UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE WAY TO CO LOCATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT POPULATION AND BE ABLE TO GET THEM, YOU KNOW, LIBRARY, UH, ACCESS, IF THEY WANTED, THEY WOULD BE CERTAINLY A MORE QUIET SPACE THAN COMING IN AND OUT OF THE TAX OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE NICE FOR THEM.
AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH, UH, ADEQUATE PARKING AND THE APPROPRIATE, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT THEY NEEDED.
SO THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO HOW WE WORKED
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THROUGH HOW TO BEST LOCATE, UH, SOME OF THESE SERVICES WHEN WE CAN'T ACTUALLY FIT EVERYBODY INTO THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, AGAIN, AS YOU'LL HEAR ME TALK ABOUT EXTENSIVELY IS OUR ELECTIONS BUILDING.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY DOES IN FACT OWN A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT IS, UH, OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
THE EOC IS LOCATED JUST OFF OF WASHINGTON STREET AND HOUSTON STREET.
AND THERE IS A VERY LARGE AREA OF UNUSED LAND OUT HERE, UH, BECAUSE THE COUNTY OWNS THIS, UH, IT'S IDEAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE ANYTHING TO UTILIZE THIS LAND.
UH, AND WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A FANTASTIC LOCATION FOR A STANDALONE ELECTIONS BUILDING.
AND IT WOULD GIVE OUR ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT THE SPACE THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE TO HOUSE AND TO WAREHOUSE EXACTLY ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT.
THEY NEED TO STAGE THINGS AND TO GET THINGS IN AND OUT OF THIS BUILDING, LIKE THEY NEED TO, AS IT WOULD WORK AS SORT OF THE HUB FOR A HUB AND SPOKE MODEL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WE HAVE NOT, UH, SHOWN, UH, ANY OF THE ENTRANCE HERE AS THIS IS JUST, UH, IT'S JUST A SCHEMATIC HERE JUST TO TEST THIS.
UM, AND SO WE CAN IN FACT, UH, RUN, UH, ANY KIND OF, UH, EGRESS THROUGH HERE BY DOING A CURB CUT AND STILL MAINTAINING SOME, UH, ALL OF THE SECURITY FOR THE EOC.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS, UH, LEASING THIS LAND SPACE HERE.
AND IF WE NEEDED TO, WE COULD ACTUALLY ROUTE AN ENTRANCE FOR THE ELECTIONS BUILDING HERE.
BUT SOMETHING TO REMEMBER IS BY AND LARGE, THAT THE ELECTIONS IS NOT A SORT OF A PUBLIC FUNCTION, RIGHT? THIS IS MORE OF A BACK OF HOUSE COUNTY FUNCTION.
AND SO WE DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMING IN HERE.
SO IT WOULD MAINTAIN THE SECURITY OF OUR EOC.
THIS IS THE OVERALL STRATEGY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT STACKS.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT FOLKS LOCATED OUT OF THE POOR FARM AND ALSO AT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.
AND THEN AT THE EOC SITE, WE HAVE OUR ELECTIONS.
AND THEN HERE IS OUR COST SHEET FOR THIS PARTICULAR OPTION.
OPTION THREE, A OPTION THREE IS BROKEN OUT IN FOUR DISTINCT PARTS.
THE REASON BEING IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE REMAINS THE SAME IN TERMS OF HOW WE STACK THE FUNCTION IN THE BUILDING, BUT THE ANNEX BUILDING IS WHAT WILL CHANGE LOCATION.
SO THERE WILL BE OPTIONS FOR HOW AND WHERE THAT ANNEX BUILDING WOULD BE PLACED.
AND SO WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED EXTRA NUMBERS.
WE FELT LIKE LETTERS WOULD DO IT.
UM, THE OPTIONS ARE RELATIVELY SIMILAR.
UH, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER FOR, UH, EVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST FIT OPTION THREE A TAKES US INTO, AGAIN, RENOVATING THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, BUT THEN DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING ANNEX BUILDING AND THEN REBUILDING A BRAND NEW BUILDING ON THE EXISTING SITE.
WE WOULD THEN OF COURSE, MAINTAIN THIS PARKING LOT HERE.
AND SO WE COULD REALLY SORT OF REIMAGINE WHAT THIS BUILDING WOULD BE AND HOW IT WOULD COMMUNICATE HERE WITH OUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE BUILDING HERE ON, UH, ON OUR CONCEPT.
WE'VE TESTED A BUILDING THAT ALTHOUGH IS A DIFFERENT SHAPE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND IN DOING THAT, WE KNOW THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY MAKE THE BUILDING CERTAINLY MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.
SO WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY NEED MORE SPACE.
UH, AND IN FOR OUR VALUE MATRIX, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE HITTING GOOD ALONG MOST OF THE MARKS HERE FOR THE OVERALL SCALE, THIS OPTION STILL REQUIRES THAT THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF HOW WE STACK PEOPLE AND GET THE, THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE REALLY MOVING, UH, AND ENERGIZED AND ORGANIZED IN A WAY THAT WORKS BEST FOR THE COUNTY.
IT STILL REQUIRES THAT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE GET ITS OWN STANDALONE BUILDING BECAUSE WE HADN'T PRESENTED THIS TO THE COURT BEFORE WE PUT IN SOME LARGE, UH, PLANS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE FIRST LOOK HERE THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE OUR LITTLE SNAPSHOTS IN AT FIRST, BUT WHAT THE BENEFIT OF THREE A AND THREE, B, C AND D IS, IS THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE COURTROOM ON THE LEVEL ONE.
AND WE WOULD TURN THIS INTO A CEREMONIAL COURTROOM, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE A NICE ADDITION FOR THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY SINCE ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS WOULD BE MOVING OUT OF THERE THAT ARE IN THERE THAT WOULD UTILIZE THAT COURTROOM FOR THE MOST PART.
THE OTHER THING THAT IT GIVES US HERE IS A COMMUNITY SPACE.
IT GIVES US A COMMUNITY ROOM, AND SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE STEWARDS OF THIS COMMUNITY ROOM.
AND AS WE IMAGINE IT, IT COULD HOUSE THINGS LIKE,
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UM, A QUILT FAIR OR A BOOK FAIR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WANTED TO, TO HELP FEATURE, UH, FOR ITS CONSTITUENTS AND REALLY HELP UTILIZE, UH, THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND BRING PEOPLE IN.SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO ENERGIZE OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND REALLY MAKE, UH, OUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE MORE, A PART OF WHAT GOES ON IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN, RATHER THAN JUST A COURT'S BUILDING.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS STACK BEFORE.
THIS IS THE SAME ITERATION THAT WE'VE SHOWN BEFORE.
REASON BEING IS WE KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS FIT IN HERE, UH, IN THE SAME WAY.
SO THIS IS SORT OF LIKE PLAYING TETRIS.
WE KNOW THAT ONCE YOUR BLOCKS FIT, THEY WILL ALWAYS FIT LEVEL TWO REALLY IS MEANT TO BE THE BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE PURCHASING AND YOU KNOW, IT AND THE TREASURER AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON AND SO FORTH IN THIS PARTICULAR ITERATION, WE DO SHOW THAT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION CAN BE HOUSED IN THIS BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE ALREADY IN OUR MASTER PLAN, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR THAT HISTORIC COMMISSION, BEING AN ADDITION TO THE LIBRARY EDITION THAT WE HAVE IN OUR MASTER PLAN FOR THE POOR FARM SITE.
SO YOU COULD IN FACT MAINTAIN PRESENCE HERE IN DOWNTOWN, IF YOU WANTED, OR YOU COULD MOVE THEM OUT TO THE POOR FARM.
WE THINK IT WOULD BE FUN TO HAVE THEM HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, SOME ELEMENTS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE HERE.
AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE JUST ARCHITECTURALLY.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF A NICE TOUCH THE THIRD, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THE BASEMENT LEVEL HERE SHOWS THAT WE WOULDN'T REALLY USE THIS FOR ANY COUNTY FUNCTION FOR PEOPLE TO WORK IN, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING IT IS THE BASEMENT AFTER ALL, BUT WE COULD IN FACT USE IT FOR DOCUMENT STORAGE.
UM, SO IT COULD BE SORT OF AN ARCHIVAL SPACE, UH, WHICH PROBABLY IS WHAT IT'S BEST SUITED FOR.
IT IS PRETTY DARK IN THAT BASEMENT AREA OF THAT COURTHOUSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, UH, STANDARDS OF, YOU KNOW, ADA AND, YOU KNOW, CODE, IT'S JUST SORT OF BETTER NOT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THERE.
SO JUST IN TERMS OF STORAGE, IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.
AND IT GIVES THE COUNTY SOME SPACE THAT THEY'LL NEED, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF THOSE LEASES ARE UP THAT YOU HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE STORED.
UH, CAUSE THAT IS A THING THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE, RIGHT? SO WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR COMPLETION.
AND FOR THREE A YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, LEVELS THAT I JUST WENT THROUGH AND WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A MONDRIAN HERE.
SO THIS REPRESENTS THAT WE WOULD BUILD A WHOLE NEW BUILDING.
IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING ANNEX.
NOW THEY WOULD JUST BE RECONFIGURED.
THEY WOULD FIT INTO THIS NEW BUILDING AND IT WOULD BE ON THE EXISTING ANNEX SITE.
AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SO THIS WOULD BE WHAT WE PROPOSE FOR THE ELECTIONS.
WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS EOC SITE, UH, BEHIND IT, THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.
AGAIN, THE HUB AND SPOKE MODEL, UH, PROBABLY WOULD WORK BEST FOR OUR ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
HERE IS OUR OVERALL STRATEGY FOR THE DEPARTMENT STACK.
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONS IN THE ANNEX THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, IN THE FIRST TWO ITERATIONS OF THIS.
AND THEN IN OUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, WE HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
UM, BUT WE DO IN FACT SHOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE OUR EOC SITE WITH OUR ELECTIONS SO THAT I GO BACKWARDS SOMEHOW.
DID I GO BACKWARDS? NO, I DIDN'T SORRY.
SO THREE B IS RENOVATING THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
BUT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD DIVEST THIS ANNEX BUILDING AND WE WOULD THEN MOVE THE ANNEX BUILDING TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
SO THE ELECTIONS OFFICE, THE TAX, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, COUNTY ENGINEER, FIRE, MARSHALL, EVERYBODY, WE WOULD MOVE OUT TO THE EOC SITE.
YOU JUST SAW THAT, THAT THAT'S OUR COMPLETION.
IT'S THE SAME ITERATION FROM THREE A THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE HERE.
SO STILL WE GET THAT NICE COMMUNITY ROOM.
WE GET OUR CEREMONIAL COURTROOM, WE STILL HAVE OUR GREAT, UH, UPGRADE FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS COURT.
WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR BACK OF HOUSE COUNTY FUNCTIONS.
UM, WE'RE MAKING GOOD ON GETTING SOME PLACE TO STORE THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR NEW BUILDING.
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OF WHERE WE COULD PUT THAT ANNEX BUILDING.SO AGAIN, THIS IS AT WASHINGTON STREET AND SOUTH HOUSTON, AND WHAT THIS SHOWS, THIS IS JUST A STUDY.
THIS CERTAINLY ISN'T A PLAN, BUT IT, IT GOES TO SHOW THAT THERE IS IN FACT ENOUGH SPACE TO PLAN FOR A BUILDING THAT'S APPROPRIATELY SIZED FOR THE ANNEX.
AND IT CO-LOCATED IT OUT HERE WITH OUR ELECTIONS BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE EOC IS NOW TWO THINGS IN TERMS OF VALUE.
YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, TWO NEW BUILDINGS WE'VE RENOVATED OUR HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, AND YOU'VE GOT SPACE TO EXPAND BACK HERE IF YOU NEED.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE TAX OFFICE SITUATED IN THE, UH, TOWN WHERE WE HAVE THIS NICE BUSY STREET WHERE PEOPLE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT, WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TO IT.
UH, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO COME INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO GET YOUR TAXES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS PAID.
WE STILL PLAN IT TO BE THAT NICE ONE-STOP SHOP, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, YOUR COUNTY ENGINEER, YOUR TAX OFFICE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HOUSED IN ONE SINGULAR BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A NEED, OR IS THERE A RATIONALE WHY UNDER THIS PLAN THAT THESE TWO STRUCTURES, THESE TWO NEW STRUCTURES BE SEPARATE? IS THERE A FUNCTIONALITY FOR ELECTIONS THAT REQUIRES THEM TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BUILDING? UM, YES AND NO.
SO I THINK IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, WE COULD IN FACT PUT THEM TOGETHER, YOU CAN, UH, BUT ELECTIONS HAS, UH, A LOT OF, SORT OF, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF VEHICLES.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SHUFFLING OF EQUIPMENT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND IT TENDS TO WORK BETTER FROM OUR EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH THESE PARTICULAR, UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND, YOU KNOW, GET, GET EVERYTHING SHUFFLED IN AND OUT OF THAT BUILDING THE WAY THEY NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE, UH, THE, UH, TAX OFFICE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN GET THINGS ORGANIZED THE WAY THEY NEED TO, AND, YOU KNOW, GET VANS QUEUED UP AND ALL OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THEY'VE GOT TO GET THINGS OUT OF THAT BUILDING, IT TENDS TO WORK BETTER.
IS IT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? NO.
UH, BUT THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS FROM A MATERIAL GRADE OF A BUILDING GRADE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A BIT MORE LIKE A WAREHOUSE IN MANY WAYS THEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A ONE OFFICE, RIGHT.
AND SO WE WOULD BE BUILDING TWO, AN, A ONE OFFICE FOR THE, THE ANNEX.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD ONLY BE A SECTION OF THAT ELECTION'S BUILDING THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT AND THE REST WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO THE CAVEAT TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS AS WE SHOW IN OUR STUDY HERE THAT THE BEST ACCESS TO THIS AS WE HAVE IT CONFIGURED, ALTHOUGH WE CAN CONFIGURE IT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, IS THAT NUMBER ONE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ANNEX B AT THE FAR END AWAY FROM OUR EOC TO MAINTAIN SECURITY FOR OUR EOC.
SO IT'S GOT A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE SAME KIND OF TRAFFIC AROUND IT.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THERE IS THIS PARCEL OF LAND THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE.
WE DO KNOW THAT IT IS FOR SALE.
WE DO KNOW THAT WE, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO PROCURE IT IF WE WANT TO.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GET IN AND OUT, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, ACTUAL COUNTY, UH, SPACE AND COUNTY ROAD SPACE.
NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO DO A CURB CUT HERE, AND WE COULD CHANGE HOW THE FLOW OF THIS COMES IN AND OUT OF HERE.
AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RECONFIGURE THE PARKING FOR THE EOC AND STILL MAINTAIN THE SECURITY THAT THEY NEED.
WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO THAT.
I KNOW THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE NOT DO THAT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WORKING THIS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANGLES.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOT SOME AREA AROUND HERE WHERE WE COULD BRING FOLKS IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE CAN DO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.
SO, BUT THIS IS JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE SPACE OUT HERE THAT IS, UM, DEFINITELY DOABLE IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY BUILDING THESE TWO KINDS OF BUILDINGS OUT HERE.
AND YOU DON'T REALLY, YOU'RE NOT SQUEEZED FOR SPACE, RIGHT? AND IT'S PROBABLY BETTER POSITIONED FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IN TERMS OF THE TAX AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE OUT HERE ALONG WASHINGTON WOULD LIKE, UH, SOME OF THAT ADDED SORT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM,
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YOU KNOW, THESE COUNTY FUNCTIONS OUT HERE.SO HERE IS OUR OVERALL STRATEGY FOR THE DEPARTMENT STACK.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN BOTH THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE AND THE ANNEX.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR ITERATION, WE DO HAVE THE EOC SITE THAT HAS THE ELECTIONS AND THE ANNEX BUILDING OUT THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMAGINE WE CAN ROLL THE INDIGENT HEALTH AND THE VETERAN SERVICES OVER INTO THAT POOR FARM COLUMN IF WE WANT TO, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THAT PROPOSED MASTER PLAN THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY.
SO HERE'S THE COST SHEET FOR THREE B AND WE'VE GIVEN A NICE GREEN NUMBER BECAUSE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DIVEST THE ANNEX.
NOW, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE STARTED THREE SECTION THREE OR OPTION THREE, WE'RE IMAGINING JUST DANCING WITH THIS ANNEX BUILDING.
SO IT'S, WHERE ARE WE STEPPING THIS TIME? SO IN THIS OPTION, UH, NOTHING CHANGES FROM THE FIRST TWO, UH, MOMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, BUT WHAT CHANGES HERE IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE ANNEX BUILDING.
SO WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO DIVEST THIS, AND WE COULD THEN RESURFACE AND RESTRIPE THE PARKING LOT HERE, BUT WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE SPACE IN THIS LOT TO BUILD THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S SORT OF THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, RIGHT? SO WE COULD GET RID OF A BUILDING, BUT WE COULD STILL BUILD A NEW BUILDING, BUT WE COULD MAINTAIN PRESENCE DOWNTOWN AND HAVE A WHOLE NEW BUILDING.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON OUR MATRIX HERE, WE START REALLY RUNNING INTO THE GREENS HERE.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPTION IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY AND IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM PERFORMANCE, BECAUSE WE WOULD REALLY BE GETTING A BUILDING BUILT GROUND UP.
UH, WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF VALUE, ADD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WORKS REALLY WELL.
UM, SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME BENEFITS TO THIS.
SO THIS IS THE SAME SNAPSHOT THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN A N B.
SO WE HAVE THE SAME COMMUNITY ROOM, OUR CEREMONIAL COURTROOM, OUR BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE UP ON LEVEL TWO, OUR, UH, OUR STORAGE THAT'S ON THE BASEMENT LEVEL AND THEN OUR NEW BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO PROPOSE THAT WE STILL HAVE A STANDALONE ELECTIONS BUILDING.
SO WE CAN STILL LOOK AT THAT OUT AT THE EOC SITE.
THIS WOULD BE OUR STACK, AND THIS WOULD BE THE COST SHEET.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DIVEST THIS.
AND SO WE DO HAVE THIS ADDITION IN HERE NOW, BEFORE I GET TO THE LAST VERSION, WHICH IS OUR LAST ITERATION IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, SHOW HERE, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT EACH AND EVERY OPTION HAS ITS OWN BENEFIT AND DRAWBACK, YOU KNOW, TO SOME IT'S COST TO SOME ITS LOCATION, TO SOME IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW FOLKS HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT OF BUILDINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY ARE EASIER TO THAN OTHERS.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO WANT.
LONG-TERM AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO DO TO INVEST LONG-TERM IN THE BUILDINGS.
SO IF WE KEEP RENOVATING THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE GOOD FUNCTION NOW, EVEN IF IT'S UNDER RENOVATION, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE GET MORE LONGEVITY NECESSARILY OUT OF A BUILDING.
IT MEANS THAT WE'VE MADE IT LOOK PRETTY FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AGAIN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO END UP PAYING FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN.
SO IT'S, THIS IS EVERY SINGLE OPTION THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN, HAS A DRAWBACK AND AN ADVANTAGE TO IT.
OUR LAST ITERATION IS WHERE WE REALLY SHOT FOR THE STARS HERE.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE PLACE THE ANNEX BUILDING ON THAT PARKING LOT THAT WE JUST SHOWED YOU.
BUT THEN WE SAY, WHAT IF WE TURNED THAT SPACE INTO A GREEN SPACE, A PARK SPACE, AND WE HAD A WAY FOR THESE BUILDINGS AND THE FOLKS COMING THROUGH THIS TO HAVE THIS NICE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THROUGH A NICE GREEN SPACE.
IT GAVE BACK TO THE COUNTY, UH, TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND TO THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN ITSELF.
AND IT REJUVENATED THIS DOWNTOWN SQUARE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD COME TO AND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY COULD IN FACT, POSSIBLY PARTNER IN HAVING,
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UH, SORT OF A PUBLIC, UH, PARK AREA OR SOME TYPE OF GREEN SPACE DOWN HERE THAT WOULD, UH, HELP, UH, MAKE BUSINESSES, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE MORE SUCCESS AND BE MORE ROBUST IN MANY WAYS AROUND THIS SQUARE.SO THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING SOME REALLY GOOD PARKING HERE, AND WE, UH, REALLY HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES.
HOWEVER, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE COST TO IT.
AND THERE'S THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE STRUCK WITH BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
SO WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS THE SAME STACK.
THERE'S NOTHING CHANGED FROM THE LAST ITERATION TO THIS ONE.
IT'S JUST THE RE-IMAGINING OF THAT GREEN SPACE, THE DIFFERENCES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE WOULDN'T BE DIVESTING THE BUILDING.
WE WOULD BE BASICALLY ABSORBING THE COST OF THE DEMOLITION, RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, ELECTIONS BUILDING OUT AT ANOTHER SITE.
AND SO WE HAVE, AGAIN, HERE'S OUR OVERALL STRATEGY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT STACK AND THERE'S THE COST SHEET.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WE WOULD BE ABSORBING THE COST OF THAT DEMOLITION.
UM, HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE THE, UH, THE GREEN SPACE IN HERE.
WE HAVE THAT TO BE DETERMINED AS WE'VE LEFT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OR SOME OF THE BIG BUSINESSES AROUND IT, OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS.
I'M SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS.
SO WE DIDN'T ROLL THAT INTO THE COST IT'S SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE.
NOW, WHEN WE LOOK OVERALL AT OUR VALUE MATRIX AND WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S, SIDE-BY-SIDE, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS REALLY POWERFUL WAY THAT SORT OF TELLS THE STORY OF REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE OPTIONS AND HOW THINGS COMPARE TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, SOME THINGS HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE ADVANTAGES THAN OTHERS.
UM, WE'VE GIVEN YOU, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM A TOYOTA CAMRY TO A NICE, UH, MERCEDES HERE.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF VALUE, UM, BUT EACH AND EVERY SINGLE OPTION HAS BEEN THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE COUNTY, FOR ALL THESE COUNTY SERVICE BUILDINGS, THAT WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE REALLY WHAT THEY NEED.
AND WE PROMISED THAT WHEN WE DID OUR STUDIES, INITIALLY THAT WE WERE GOING TO START LOOKING AT PURPOSE-BUILT BUILDINGS AND THINGS THAT HAD SOME LONGEVITY AND THINGS THAT REALLY COULD LAST AND GROW THE WAY THE COUNTY AND THOSE PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS NEEDED TO GROW IN THE COMING YEARS.
SO, UH, WE DID OUR BEST TO BE GOOD STEWARDS FOR THE COUNTY AND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PARTICULAR OPTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE, UH, THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE ENLARGED PLAN, OR YOU WANT TO TALK THROUGH ANYTHING, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
OH, I GUESS WE HEAR FROM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT AFTER THAT, ONE OF THE, THIS, UH, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE INVITED THE PUBLIC COME AND WE HAVE CERTAINLY HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE CITY THAT ARE HERE.
UM, AND IF THEY WANT TO COMMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS OF ALL OF Y'ALL OR WHATEVER, UH, SO EITHER ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN, HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK HILLARY, WE HEARD THIS THIS MORNING, BY THE WAY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW.
SO, UM, IT'S AN OLD RECORD NOW, SO, UM, DOES ANYONE, UH, JU UH, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST TO COME UP THERE.
WHY DON'T YOU COME AND SPEAK SO THAT YOU'LL BE ON THE, UH, YOU'LL BE BROADCAST ON LIVE TV, ON TV STUART, COME ON.
UM, UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUDGE, UM, STUART MCGREGOR, KAUFMAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, 2 0 9 SOUTH WASHINGTON.
UM, AND WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UH, INCLUDING US IN THIS CONVERSATION, UH, AT THE EDC AND THE CITY.
UM, I'VE BEEN WITH KAUFMAN EDC NOW FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AND, UM, HAVE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
CAUSE AS Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH THAT HIS HAS HIT FORNEY AND CRANDALL IS NOW STARTING TO HIT HERE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED DOWNTOWN AS A KEY AREA OF, UH, NOT ONLY FUTURE ECONOMIC GROWTH, BUT ALSO SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC, UM, TO CONTINUE OUR REVITALIZATION EFFORTS.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, UM, WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER FOR SALE OR FOR LEASE ON AND AROUND THE SQUARE AREA RIGHT NOW.
UM, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE NOT LISTED THAT ARE SITTING VACANT.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, WE, UH, HAVE A NEW BUSINESS GOING IN AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, JUST KIND OF CATTY CORNER
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FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW ACROSS FROM CVS.UM, JESSE'S FAJITAS AND RITA'S IS, UH, IN THERE AND HAS STARTED REMODELING THAT BUILDING.
UH, HE IS AFFILIATED WITH THE REAL LERMA FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS AND IS GONNA TRY TO BRING KIND OF A UPPER SCALE TEXMEX WITH A KIND OF EVENT SPACE IN THE BACK, UM, TO DOWNTOWN AND THEN MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE OR LOFT SPACE ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, SO I THINK IT'LL MAKE A NICE ADDITION, UH, TO OUR SQUARE FOR ADDITIONAL DINING OPTIONS, AS WELL AS NIGHTLIFE.
UM, WE ARE ALSO, UH, WORKING WITH THE TEXAS DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION.
UM, THEY PROVIDE AN AUDIT ASSESSMENT, UH, WHERE THEY WILL BRING IN THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AS WELL AS ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT MAIN STREET CBB RELATED TYPE PEOPLE TO COME AND JUST PUT FRESH EYES ON DOWNTOWN, WALK THE SQUARE, TALK TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS AND THE STATE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL APPEAL OF IT.
UM, AND THEY'LL SPEND THE WHOLE DAY HERE ON JUNE 30TH PARTICIPATING IN THAT I KNOW THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH IT.
UH, GLEE PUGH WHO REPRESENTS OUR DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION IS INVOLVED, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, RAELYNN WILL BE SITTING IN ON THAT.
CAUSE, UH, Y'ALL ARE A BIG STAKEHOLDER HERE AS THE COUNTY.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND HAVE, RAYLAND BE A PART OF THAT JUST LISTENING SESSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, BUT WE, THEY WILL GENERATE A KIND OF LIST OF DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS AND THINGS THAT THEY NOTICED TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE IN WITH, UM, FUTURE PLANNING FOR DOWNTOWN, AND MAYBE USE THAT AS KIND OF A LAUNCHING PAD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A MORE, UM, KIND OF FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AREA.
UM, WE ALSO JUST CREATED AT THE EDC COUNCIL, JUST APPROVED IT IN THEIR BUDGET LAST MONTH, A, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE DOWNTOWN DESTINATION MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.
UH, WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING GRANT PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR UPGRADING FACADES, AWNINGS, THAT SORT OF THING.
THIS ONE IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS, UM, TARGETING SPECIFIC TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE WANTING TO SEE JOIN OUR SQUARE AREA SO THAT WE CAN, AS I LIKE TO SAY, IMPORT THOSE DOLLARS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND US, THAT KIND OF LIKE WHAT WALKS AHEAD.
MCKINNEY HAS ALREADY DONE WITH THEIR DOWNTOWN AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF RECRUIT MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES HERE.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO $25,000 IN MATCHING FUNDS FROM THE EDC THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH FIXED PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, ENCUMBRANCES FINANCIALLY AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AN OLD BUILDING THAT MAY HAVE
UM, AND THE EDC HAS CREATED THAT PROGRAM TO ASSIST WITH THAT.
SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN KAUFMAN, UM, AND WE'RE JUST VERY GRATEFUL FOR Y'ALL AS A COUNTY, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT Y'ALL PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT FOOT TRAFFIC TO OUR, UH, LOCAL RETAILERS, OUR RESTAURANTS.
SO I KNOW THEY APPRECIATE, UH, THE BUSINESS THAT THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES PROVIDE.
AND IF I, IF I MAY, I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ITEMS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THERE WERE JUST A FEW LITTLE THINGS THAT I NOTICED AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS.
AND JUST SOME THINGS JUST FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE TABLE, AND THE MAYOR MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT HE LIKED TO INCLUDE LATER AS WELL, BUT, UH, KINDA STARTING WITH THE ANNEX.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS, UM, UH, THAT ENTRANCE POINT, MAYBE MAKING IT BACK ON THE SQUARE SIDE, SINCE IT WOULD KIND OF ALIGN MORE WITH THE, UM, FACADES OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UM, WE DO HAVE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS TO KIND OF KEEP THAT HISTORIC APPEAL.
SO WE ARE MORE THAN HELPFUL AND WILLING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THAT LOOK IS GOING TO BE, IF Y'ALL CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE WITH THE ANNEX.
UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT POSSIBLY DIVESTING OF THE ANNEX.
UM, AND I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH Y'ALL, UM, IN MAYBE IDENTIFYING SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO POSSIBLY PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND BRING SOMETHING TO DOWNTOWN KAUFMAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY CAN BE PROUD OF AND ENJOY, AND, AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO AN IDEA I HAD TO, AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH WHERE MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE UPSTAIRS OF THAT ANNEX BUILDING COULD RETAIN IT, BE RETAINED AS COUNTY OFFICES, AND MAYBE THE DOWNSTAIRS OF IT IS LEASED OUT BY THE COUNTY TO SOME RETAIL BUSINESSES, UH, THAT WAY IT KIND OF GENERATES MORE FOOT TRAFFIC.
YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT EXISTING ELEVATOR THERE WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT PROVIDES THE ADA ACCESS TO GO UPSTAIRS.
UM, AND THERE'S KIND OF THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN BEING ABLE TO HOLD ONTO THE REAL ESTATE, BUT ALSO KIND OF GET, UM, GET SOME MONEY ON THE SIDELINES, UM, FOR MAYBE SOME TENANTS THAT COULD TAKE THAT BUILDING.
UM, A FEW, UH, OTHER THINGS I KNOW THAT THE PARKING LOT BEHIND, UM, THE BUILDING WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS A, UM, MAJOR BENEFIT TO OUR SQUARE.
I KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FRESH MARKET THAT THE DOWNTOWN
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MERCHANTS HOST ON THE WEEKENDS, I BELIEVE IT GETS UTILIZED A FAIR AMOUNT WHENEVER THEY HOST THAT.UM, AND I KNOW THAT I THINK THE CITY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON MAKING SURE THAT WE RETAIN SOME OF THAT MAYBE FOR FUTURE PUBLIC PARKING AND WORK WITH Y'ALL IN, IN ANY SORT OF WAY THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, FOR THE SQUARE AND FOR FUTURE BUSINESSES THAT SHOW UP ON THE SQUARE AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, MOVING SOME OF THE OFFICES FROM HERE OVER THERE, I THINK WILL CONTINUE TO BENEFIT DOWNTOWN.
UH, THERE IS, UH, IN ONE OF THE SCENARIOS THAT HOK LAID OUT WAS, UM, PUTTING THE TAX OFFICE IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, I FORMERLY WORKED IN FORNEY AND I KNOW THAT THE SUB COURTHOUSE OVER THERE WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND DOING DRIVER'S LICENSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, REALLY DID HELP THE DOWNTOWN AREA RIGHT THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG DOWNTOWN AREA UP THERE, BUT IT CREATED THAT FOOT TRAFFIC.
SO I THINK WITH SOME OF THE COURTS POSSIBLY MOVING OUT, GOING OUT TO 1 75 THAT HAVING, UM, HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF USES LIKE THAT, THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE FOOT TRAFFIC AND CUSTOMERS TO THE SQUARE, UH, WILL BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY MENTIONED THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, KEEPING THAT IN DOWNTOWN, OR PUTTING THAT OUT ON THE POOR FARM, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL, UM, ON THE EOC PROPERTY, IN REGARDS TO THAT, UM, UH, THERE WAS ONE SCENARIO I READ WHERE IT SAID THAT THE ANNEX MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY OUT THERE JUST DUE TO SOME OF THE DESTINATION USES OF THE ANNEX, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN PARTICULAR, UM, THAT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE ACCESSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S HERE IN DOWNTOWN OR ON ONE OF THE OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARES ON THE LAND THAT Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING.
UM, BUT ALSO WITH, UH, WITH THE INDIGENT HEALTH GROUP, I WAS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND TALKING WITH MY COLDER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER IS ON HOUSTON STREET NEXT TO THE OSI, AS WELL AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
SO COULD THERE BE SINCE, UH, INDIGENT CARE IS REALLY, I THINK MORE OF PROBABLY A USE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEEK OUT AND GO TO A POSSIBILITY AND MAYBE PUT BEHIND THE EOC THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER AS WELL AS PART OF THIS, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UM, AND THEN A ROAD ACCESS, UH, THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO WASHINGTON.
I THINK THAT, UM, WE WOULD WELCOME FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ON WAYS THAT WE COULD HELP Y'ALL WITH THAT, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, ON THE POOR FARM PIECE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHERE THAT IS WITH THE LIBRARY BEING RIGHT THERE.
MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VETERANS SERVICES TO GO IN THERE SINCE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, UM, PARK RIGHT THERE, UM, JUST TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS, UM, OR IF, UH, IF Y'ALL WERE TO DO AN INDIGENT CARE, UM, BUILDING OVER THERE, MAYBE HAVING IT GO IN WITH VETERANS, UM, SERVICES.
SO THAT, THAT WAY THERE'S SOME SYNERGY.
CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA FIND, YOU KNOW, VETERANS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SAME BENEFITS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING LISTED ABOUT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THAT APPRAISAL DISTRICTS LOOKING TO EXPAND AND GROW AND MAYBE RELOCATE AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE MIGHT LIVE WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, BUT, UH, THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE INITIAL, UH, THOUGHTS THAT I HAD JUST COMING FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN SIDE.
SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU OR, UM, WHAT THE MAYOR OR, UH, MR. HOLDER OR MS. PUGH, UH, FILLING ON ANY HOLES THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED OUT ON.
UM, I THINK WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ALREADY, JUST IN THE SHORT TIME YOU'VE BEEN HERE, STUART, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, KAUFFMAN IS THE COUNTY SEAT.
I MEAN, IT IS THE CITY WHERE THE COUNTY HEADQUARTERS LOCATED AND IT'S SO IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, FOR EACH OTHER SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THAT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO DO ANYTHING IF WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR BOTH OF US.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE, UH, WE'VE DOWNTOWN REPRESENTED HERE, UH, MAYOR.
PLEASE COUNTY CLERK ALWAYS YELLS AT US.
IF PEOPLE TALK FROM THE AUDIENCE, LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY SHOW DOWN JEFF JORDAN, 1300 LEWIS DRIVE.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ONE QUESTION.
I JUST DID NOT SEE AN ANSWER TO, AND MAYBE THERE ISN'T ONE, UH, THERE WERE PROPOSED FACADE CHANGES FOR ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE ANNEX.
WILL THERE BE THOSE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE OR IS IT STILL HELD HOSTAGE BY, UH, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU, CAUSE I'VE, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN SUBJECT TO A LOT OF A STUDY ON THAT.
AND WHAT I LEARNED IS I WAS ALWAYS TOLD, I WAS TOLD FREQUENTLY THAT WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE COURTHOUSE WITHOUT GETTING APPROVED FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
AND I'M WAITING FOR THE ARCHITECTS TO TELL ME I'M WRONG
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HERE.UM, BUT WHAT I LEARNED AFTER LOTS OF FITS AND STARTS IS WE'VE NEVER, SINCE KAUFMAN HAS NEVER RECEIVED ANY FUNDS FROM THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE A, AN, A HISTORIC EASEMENT ON OUR COURTHOUSE.
AND SO, AND IT'S NOT UNDER REGISTRY OUR OBLIGATION.
AND WHAT GOT US IN TROUBLE BEFORE IS WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO GIVE THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AT LEAST SIX MONTHS HAVE TO GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS FOR ANY CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TO THE BUILDING.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DENY THOSE CHANGES, BUT THEY, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR OPINION.
DO THEY ANSWER, THAT'S KIND OF A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
UM, POTENTIALLY IS THE BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG DO THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE ANY ARGUMENT WITH WHAT I SAID HAS CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THEN THAT'S AN ARCHITECT QUESTION.
I MEAN, FOR THE ANNEX COURTHOUSE COURT.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY RE-SKINNING, IF YOU WILL, TO USE YOUR WORD, IF THAT'S THE PROPER TERM, MAKING IT NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO DEFEND THE COURTHOUSE.
UH, I HAD THE CHANCE TO HAVE A, UH, A VISIT WITH AN AND IN A GUY THAT DOES A LOT OF RESTORATIVE RESTORING OF OLD BUILDINGS.
AND THEY TOLD THIS WAS EARLY IN MY TENURE AND THEY BOTH AGREED THAT THAT, THAT IS A REALLY GOOD BUILDING.
BUT, UM, BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS THIS BUILDING IS STEEL AND CONCRETE AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD SOLID STRUCTURE, SO, OH YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A GENUINE BUILDING AND THAT'S WHY HISTORIC COMMISSION LOOKS AT IT AS A, I SAY, VALUABLE FOR THAT.
AND IN GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, YES.
UM, WE WILL KEEP THEM INVOLVED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH US AND ALL THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WILL DO, I MEAN, ARE GOING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, AS FAR AS THE RESKINNING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL LIKE TO SUGGEST IS YES, A RESTORING THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS.
SO YOU ACTUALLY PERFORMS AS, AS IT WAS BRAND NEW.
NOW THAT'S A COST IMPLICATION.
SO W THAT'S THAT'S THE MONEY THING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
I THINK THE IDEA THAT I'VE HEARD FLOATED AROUND IS THE IDEA OF MAKING THE ACTUALLY RE-SKINNING THAT BUILDING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A, LIKE AN OLD COURTHOUSE, BUT I DON'T, Y'ALL NEVER LOOKED AT THAT.
AND I, FROM THE, THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING, YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, MID-CENTURY MODERN, Y'ALL EVERYBODY LIKES MODERN, RIGHT.
SO, BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, LIKE, UH, AN OLD SORT OF OLD TIMEY KIND OF COURTHOUSE.
I MEAN, IT IS, OLD-TIMEY, IT'S JUST IN A DIFFERENT SORT OF, PART OF OUR CENTURY THAN WE LIKE TO REALLY KIND OF GIVE THE NOD FOR ARCHITECTURE.
UH, IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A SOLID BUILDING AND WE HAVE MADE AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD WORK TO MAINTAIN BEST.
WE CAN, UH, AS MUCH MARBLE IN THE INTERIOR CORRIDORS, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T JUST SOURCE MARBLE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, UPGRADE THAT COULD BE DONE TO THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE SORT OF IN THE NOD OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE IS.
IT NEEDS, UM, SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THE VESTIBULE.
I THINK THAT, THAT ONE'S DOWN FOR SHOES IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN AND IT'S PART OF RESTORING IT.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT ON THAT FACADE AND HE'S GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
SO BRINGING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STAGE, CLEANING UP SOME OF THE MASONRY, UM, DOING SOMETHING WITH THE GLASS, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A, A PLUS FOR THE BUILDING AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S ROLLED INTO THAT COST THAT WE ARE WE'RE SHOWING FOR THAT HISTORIC COURTHOUSE IS SOME OF THAT EXTERIOR, THE RENOVATION THAT IT NEEDS, BUT IT WOULDN'T NEED CERTAINLY AS MUCH AS LET'S SAY THE ANNEX.
RIGHT? SO MAYOR, I THINK WHAT THAT MEANS IS NO 1890 FACADE, RIGHT? IT'S THE CITY WANTS TO PLAY FOR.
SO I THINK IT'S GOT, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOT SOME, SOME GOOD, IT'S GOT GOOD BONES TO IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE COULD SHINE IT UP AND LOOK MORE LIKE A SHINY PENNY.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT OLD TOWN FEEL EVER.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE ARCHITECTURE.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A RENOVATION OF THE COURTHOUSE INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, A MODERNIZATION OF THE WINDOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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NOT IN THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE NECESSARILY, UM, BECAUSE HE WILL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH WE WANT TO RESTORE CAUSE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BEGINNING TO TAKE IT TO THE RESTORING PART.WE WANT TO DO NOW IS BASICALLY LOOK AT THE SYSTEMS, MAKE SURE THAT HE ACTUALLY PERFORMS FOR ALL THE NEW OCCUPANTS, THE HPAC SYSTEMS, ALONG WITH THE NEWER INNOVATIONS, ALL THE FINISHES INSIDE THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING A, A KINDA LIKE A BRAND NEW, UH, OCCUPY BUILDING.
UM, THERE WILL BE, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE TO DO IN A SHELL KIND OF LIKE RISKY AND THIS PORTION IS TO RESTORE IT.
SO IT WILL BE A BUDGET TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DO THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE REGISTRY, IS THAT THE MATERIALS AND THE MATERIAL CHOICES, UM, THAT ARE USED, AREN'T QUITE AS RIGID AS THEY HAVE TO BE IF IT'S ON REGISTRY, RIGHT? SO IT TAKES SORT OF THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO APPROVE LIGHT BULBS IN A REGISTER BUILDING PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING, RIGHT? WE COULD, WE COULD ACTUALLY RESTORE A GLASS IN A MORE MODERN SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND ACTUALLY WILL COST LESS THAN TRYING TO RESTORE WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CUSTOM SET OF GLASS THAT YOU SEE THERE NOW, UH, WHICH IS NOT PERFORMING, NOT TODAY'S STANDARDS.
UM, IT WILL COST MORE, IT'S REALLY COLD IN THERE IN THE WINTER.
SO THAT I'M CLEAR THEN THERE'S, THERE'S NO REASON YOU COULD NOT DO A RE DESIGN.
AND I'M SORRY IF I'M USING THE WRONG TERMS IN ANY OF THIS, BASED ON THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE THE PREFERENCE TO KEEP IT LOOKING LIKE IT DOES.
UH, I WOULD SAY YES THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE EXPERTS THAT THEY TH THEY DON'T HAVE THE, SINCE WE'VE NEVER, SINCE THE COUNTY HAS NEVER HAD ANY FUNDS RECEIVED FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THAT BUILDING, WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEY GET A, THEY REQUIRE A HISTORICAL EASEMENT, WHICH REALLY BASICALLY GIVES THEM, THEY GIVE THEM ABSOLUTELY TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE BUILDING.
AND WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT THE PREFERENCE STILL IS TO KEEP IT LOOKING LIKE IT.
I THINK THE PREFERENCE IS TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE GENERAL OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL THAT'S A NOD TO THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, BUT TO SHINE IT UP, TO RENOVATE IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE AWARE OF, IT'S STILL GONNA LOOK LIKE, AND AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DEFEND THIS BUILDING AGAIN? OR WE'VE ALREADY OVER THERE? I SAY IT, AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DEFEND OUR COURTHOUSE AGAIN? SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UH, IF I'M, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING PERHAPS WHAT YOUR, YOUR GOAL MIGHT BE, W I MEAN, THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALMOST BE, UH, CONTEMPLATING DEMOLISHING THAT STRUCTURE AND BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE FROM THE GROUND UP TO, TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE INTO SOME HIS CASTLE LOOKING HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD REALLY BE PROBABLY OUR OPTION BASED ON THE WAY THAT THING IS CONSTRUCTED, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE WHOLE THING AND REBUILD A NEW BUILDINGS, STRUCTURALLY NOT ABLE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING.
I THINK IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S THE ANSWER AND THE WORK THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT, THE ENGINEERING, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.
AND IN CONSIDERATION LIKE YOU, BY THE TIME YOU DO THAT, THE WAYS, THE WAY IT IS THE DIFFERENT PLATES OF THE FLOORS, THEY DON'T ALLOW ENOUGH AREA FOR DUCT WORK AND THINGS TO WORK CORRECTLY.
SO YOU WILL NOT MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO REUSE THIS STRUCTURE FOR A NEW FACADE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE, IMPLEMENT THOSE, UH, PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE NOW, UM, THROUGH.
WELL, YOU CAN SAY RIGHT THERE, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECTS WHILE THEY'RE HERE? OKAY.
UH, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE DONE A, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECTS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT THE MEETING TO END BEFORE I ASKED THE QUESTION.
I'M LIKE THE BUILDING I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS, SO I KINDA LIKE IT, AND I HAVE A BETTER USE FOR THE MONEY THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REDO IT.
MY QUESTION IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS CONFUSED, BUT I DID THINK THAT THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY WAS PART OF PHASE THREE AND I FIND THE BIGGEST CATALYST.
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OUT WHEN THAT WILL BE SO I CAN GET THE INFORMATION TO MY BOARD.I WOULD SAY, THAT'S UNDETERMINED RIGHT NOW.
WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE DATA AND WE HAVE COST ESTIMATES AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE IT'S OWN.
IT'S A SEPARATE THING THAN THIS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF LIMITED FUNDING BECAUSE THIS IS AT LEAST TIED TO OUR ORIGINAL BOND.
WELL, WHETHER TWO SOURCES OF FUNDING, WHICH I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
CAUSE IT'S ARPA-E AND BOND MONEY.
OF COURSE THE BOND MONEY IS RESTRICTED AS, AS IS THE ARPA MONEY RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN KINDS OF THINGS.
SO, UH, CHIEF, I DON'T THINK WE JUST, I DON'T KNOW YET.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO DO THAT PROJECT.
WE HAVE THE LAND THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS YET, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT THING.
I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD, UM, COME BACK TO A COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON JUNE 21ST WEEK AFTER NEXT, AFTER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND TO GO OVER ALL THESE PLANS AND ASK QUESTIONS.
BUT I MENTIONED TODAY, I SHOWED YOU ALL THAT, UH, THE DATA SHEET FROM GALLAGHER.
AND THEN FROM THAT, UH, JOURNAL WEBSITE THAT I LOOKED AT TO SHOW THE INFLATION RATES FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT IS THE CURRENT INFLATION RATE FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS BETWEEN ONE AND 2% A MONTH TO A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 2% TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE A POOL OF 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE ARE LEAKING BETWEEN 120,200 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH OUT OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND IT'S LEAKING INTO THE INFLATION POND.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ANYTHING MORE IN TWO OR THREE MONTHS THAN WE KNOW NOW, AFTER ALL OF THIS WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, I THINK WE HAVE Y'ALL HAVE COVERED.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE ANOTHER OPTION.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON THE 21ST AND WORK THROUGH A PROCESS TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO WELL.
AND JUDGE, IF I, IF I MAY, YOU ALSO IN THAT POOL HAVE LEASES, THAT'S PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR LEASES.
SO YOU'VE GOT STUFF THAT'S COMING UP AND YOU'VE GOT MONEY GOING INTO LEASES.
AND AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER.
HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING ON LEASHES NOW? UH, SINCE WE TOOK UNDER THE SOUTH CAMPUS YOU WERE SITTING AT OKAY.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER MATTER OF URGENCY.
THAT, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT Y'ALL CAN COME UP WITH ANY MORE OPTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'VE OFFERED US.
THINK YOU'VE KIND OF WORN THAT OUT, BUT, UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME TO SOME DECISIONS AND GIVE YOU ALL, SOME MARCHING ORDERS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
ANYBODY THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER, KEISHA JOURNEY'S OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THAT'S THREE EYES WHERE YOU SAY, YEAH, YOU SAID, ALL RIGHT.