Jun 21, 2022 Commissioners Court

IS ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.

GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS, UH, CITIZENS WANTING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ALL ON ONE ITEM.

AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL CALL THOSE FOLKS UP WHEN WE GET TO ITEM.

THEY'RE ALL REGARDING ITEM 13.

UH, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE]

UH, COMMISSIONER BARBARA, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SOME EMPLOYEES OF OURS THAT, UH, UH, MADE THE PAPER HERE.

IT SAYS KAUFMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES STEP IT UP TO STAY HEALTHY.

UH, NO ONE CAN SAY KAUFMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE UNINSPIRED AND JUST SIT AROUND ALL DAY, UH, A DEDICATED TEAM OF 133 EMPLOYEES LACED UP THEIR WALKING SHOES AND MET THE CHALLENGES OF THE TEXAS A AND M AGRILIFE EXTENSIONS, WALK ACROSS TEXAS CHALLENGE AND PUT THEM ON ALMOST 24,000 MILES IN THE BOOKS, UM, TO HELP EMPLOYEES ESTABLISH A HABIT OF REGULAR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY WHILE USING A FUN AND MOTIVATING TEAM APPROACH.

KAUFMAN COUNTY COLLABORATED WITH ROCKWALL AND HUNT COUNTIES TO CREATE A COUNTY TO COUNTY COMPETITION, WALK ACROSS TEXAS AS THE NAME OF THE COMPETITION.

THIS EIGHT WEEK CHALLENGE, WHICH BEGAN ON APRIL 1ST, 2022 AND CONTINUED THROUGH MAY 26, UH, WAS COMPLETED.

AND, UH, COFFIN COUNTY CAME OUT ON TOP.

UH, THEY AVERAGED, UH, 233.3 MILES.

EACH THAT THEY WALKED, UH, FOR THIS PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY COMMENDABLE AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR IN, FOR, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND, UH, GETTING RECOGNIZED FOR IT.

SO GOOD JOB.

EVERYBODY'S STAYING HEALTHY.

EXCELLENT JOB.

UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE TO SHARE? OKAY.

THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO,

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE ITEMS A AND B UH, COMMISSIONER CARE TO SPEAK TO THOSE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED? OH, MY EMOTION, EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

JOHN POLLSTER DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE U S 1 75 SOUTHBOUND FRONT TO DRUG PROJECTS BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND JONES AND CARTER IN THE AMOUNT OF $599,944.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT UP.

[3. John Polster; Discuss/Consider approval of the Professional Services Agreement for the US 175 Southbound Frontage Road Projects between Kaufman County and Jones & Carter in the amount of $599,944.00]

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

JOHN POLLSTER, INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS.

UH, AND EVERY TIME I'M HERE, I'M WANTING YOU TO PAY SOME BILLS FOR ME.

SO YES, THE, UH, THIS CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON CARTER IS FOR ONE OF THE BOB PROGRAM PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE SELECTED FIRMS FOR FEW MONTHS BACK, THE, A MOVING TARGET ON THIS ONE WAS WE HAD SOME, UH, ISSUES WE HAD TO ADDRESS WITH BOTH SOME OF THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE BACKPAGE ROAD AND THE TIE-INS AND THEN HOW TO DEAL WITH THE, SOME OF THE ENTRANCE ISSUES INTO THE NEW FACILITY.

AND SO WE FINALLY GOT THAT WORKED OUT.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO DO HAVE A PART OF THIS PROJECT PHASE INITIALLY WILL BE SOME FEASIBILITY IN ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, ENTRANCE IN THE EARLY PART OF THE PROJECT.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE COME TO AN, UH, SCOPE

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AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE, AND A FEE AGREEMENT WITH JONES CARTER, AND THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.

SO ITS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE COURT EXECUTE DISAGREEMENT QUESTIONS FOR MR. POLLSTER.

THESE THINGS DO TAKE TIME.

DON'T THEY TAKE A LONG TIME DON'T YEARS, PEOPLE, YEARS, HOW WERE YEARS? UM, OKAY.

THEN IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FOR JOHN ON THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT PROCESSIONAL, THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND? WHO'S THAT SKEET SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

POLLSTER AGAIN, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES BACK TO MR.

[4. John Polster; Discuss/Consider approval of Supplemental Agreement #4 for the FM 148 Bypass Project between Kaufman County and Halff Associates in the amount of $28,499.00.]

NUMBER FOUR FOR FTM 1 48 BYPASS PROJECT BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND HALF ASSOCIATES IN THE AMOUNT OF $28,499.

I THINK THAT'S THE SMALLEST NUMBER I'VE EVER SEEN COMING.

WELL, YES.

AND HOPEFULLY IT'S THE LAST ONE ON THIS.

UH, TEXTILE HAD MADE SOME CHANGES TO SOME OF THE WAY THEY DO SOME OF THE, THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAD TO CHANGE AT THE END.

THEY WERE MINOR, BUT WE FELT LIKE TO COMPORT WITH THE SOP THAT THEY'D ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THESE CHANGES.

AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DESIGN CHANGE ON SOME OF THE, UH, HYDRAULICS.

SO SUPPLEMENTAL FOR, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE A SUPPLEMENTAL FIVE.

THIS PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY DONE ON THE SHELF AND WE ARE NOW IN THE, UH, IT'S READY, SO READY TO LET, AND SO NOW I GOTTA DO THE MAGIC OF FINDING THE MONEY TO GET IT BUILT.

OH, MONITOR, MONITOR THING.

WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT, JOHN, UM, QUESTIONS FOR MR. POLLSTER AT THAT PROJECT.

WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS A BADLY NEEDED UP THERE IN THE CRANDALL AREA AND, AND, UH, UH, NOT ONLY DOES IT SUPPORT OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IN THAT COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO ALL THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC WILL, WILL BE A MUCH IMPROVED THERE.

SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WITH THAT SAID, JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN, UH, COMMISSIONER IN CASE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED AS, OR A SECOND.

SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

AND LAST BUT NOT

[5. John Polster; Discuss/Consider approval of Supplemental Agreement #1 for the FM 1641 Project between Kaufman County and LTRA in the amount of $3,036,383.00.]

LEAST JOHN POLLSTER DISCUSSED CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT.

NUMBER ONE FOR THE FM 1641 PROJECT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND LTR A IN THE AMOUNT OF 3 MILLION, $36,383.

NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE MAYOR BACK TO THE POLLSTER, WHICH I CAN EXPLAIN.

SO WHEN IT SAYS A, AN AMENDMENT, WHAT WE DO ON THESE CONTRACTS IS WHEN WE HIRE THESE FIRMS, JUST LIKE WE DID JONES GARNER A MOMENT AGO, THAT CONTRACT WAS THE INITIAL PHASE, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE AND THE CONTROLLED SCHEMATIC.

UH, ONCE WE GET PAST THAT, THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS THE DESIGN PHASE.

UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH 1641 LTRS HAS DONE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, DONE THE SCHEMATIC AND MODIFY THE SCHEMATIC TO MISS THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON GOT HIT FIRST TIME.

SO WE HAD TO MOVE IT OVER TO, I THINK, THE EAST TO COME OFF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEST.

AND SO THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL CONTRACT IS THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS THE DESIGN PHASE.

SO, UH, DESIGN ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE.

AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS THE DESIGN.

AND THEN THE PART OF IT WAS THE MODIFICATION OF THE SCHEMATIC FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT.

IF IT PLEASES THE COURT, I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT QUESTIONS.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT? NUMBER ONE IS PRESENTED.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WITH A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL PROCEED ON HOPEFULLY UNIMPEDED.

DON'T MISS THE REST OF THE MEETING.

SO MRS. , I SAID, DON'T MISS THE REST OF THE MEETING.

IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A PARTICULARLY THE NEXT PART, WHICH IS THE TREASURER REPORT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT.

UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE ANY MONEY.

SO CHUCK MON KERN OUR TREASURER TO PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE.

SO YEAH, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, JOHN, BECAUSE HE MAY TELL US WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

[6. Chuck Mohnkern; Present/Accept the Treasurer's monthly report for May 2022.]

THE TREASURER'S MONTHLY REPORT FOR MAY OF 2022 BLOATING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

HE, UH, STARTED

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OFF THE MONTH OF MAY WITH 34,516,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND RECEIPTS DURING THE MONTH WHERE 2.7 MILLION DISBURSEMENTS 5.7 MILLION.

SO WE ENDED THE MONTH WITH 31 MILLION 4 57, 7 62 AND 31 CENTS.

AND LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, THAT TOTAL WAS 27 MILLION 1 61, 8 47 67 INTEREST EARNED ON AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK ACCOUNTS.

DURING THE MONTH OF MAY $4,889 51 CENTS EARNINGS ON THE BALANCES INVESTED IN TEXTBOOKS IN TEXAS CLASS, 70 MILLION, 655.

UH, I MEAN 70,000, I WISH IT WAS 70 MILLION, $70,655.

AND THAT'S A TOTAL OF, DID I SAY IT AGAIN? NO.

THE TOTAL FOR THE MONTH, UH, WAS $75,544 AND 54 CENTS COMPARED TO 15,000 252 90 LAST YEAR.

OUR TOTAL INVESTED IN TEXTBOOKS THIS YEAR IS 49.7 MILLION TOTAL INVESTED IN TEXAS CLASS, 80.68 MILLION TOTAL OF 130.397 MILLION LAST YEAR, THAT WAS 138.131 MILLION.

OUR AVERAGE YIELD ON A TEXTBOOK INVESTMENTS 0.8125% AVERAGE YIELD IN TEXAS CLASS 0.813%.

WE CAN SEE THAT'S UP SUBSTANTIALLY, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE GREAT INTEREST YET, BUT I'VE QUITE A BIT FROM LAST YEAR AT 0.0 7 77 ON TEXT POOL AND 0.07 84% ON TEXAS CLASS.

THE TOTAL IS OF ALL FUNDS IN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK FOR THE MONTH OF MAY FORTY NINE, FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY 5,000.

THE PLEDGED SECURITIES HELD BY AMERICAN NATIONAL 249 MILLION.

SO WE'RE VERY WELL COLLATERALIZED.

THE, UH, TOTAL, UH, PERCENTAGE INVESTED OF OUR FUNDS IS 72.49% LEAVING 27.51% OF THAT IN THE BANK, WE WROTE 392 RECEIPTS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY FOR $44,499,159 AND 66 CENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR THE TREASURER? NO, NO, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S REPORT AS PRESENTED? OH MY GOD.

MOTION WHERE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM,

[7. Teressa Floyd; Present/Accept the Tax Assessor-Collector's monthly report for May 2022.]

NEXT UP, UH, TO ISHA KEELA, I THINK IS GOING TO PRESENT FOR ACCEPTANCE THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR'S MONTHLY REPORT FOR MAY, 2022.

ASKED HOLLAND DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS PERFORMING SUPPORT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $250 AND MATCHING PHONE FROM THE LIBRARY AND MEMORIAL DONATIONS FUND.

THE MORNING FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, THAT COLLECTIONS ARE THE CURRENT COLLECTIONS OF $403,410 AND 69 CENTS.

THE DELINQUENT IS 42,854 AND 68 CENTS FOR A TOTAL OF COLLECTION OF 446,265 AND 37 CENTS.

THE UNPAID, UH, DEFERRALS ARE 85, 9 68 99 FOR ROADING BRIDGE.

THE CURRENT COLLECTION IS 79,000 4 39 AND 9 CENTS.

DELINQUENT IS $8,559 AND 70 CENTS FOR A TOTAL COLLECTION OF $87,998 AND 79 CENTS.

UNPAID AMOUNT IS 55, $15,299 AND 81 CENTS.

TOTAL TRANSACTIONS FOR THE MONTH OF MAY IS 3,255.

WE HAD A ROLE BACK IN PRECINCT, ONE FOR 10 ACRES PRECINCT TWO FOR 13.4, FOUR ACRES IN PRECINCT FOUR FOR 45.3 ACRES FOR TOTAL AMOUNT OF ACREAGE OF 68.74.

UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR'S REPORT.

NOPE.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TAX COLLECTORS ONLY THREE REPORT FOR MAY, 2022.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[8. Yasma Holland; Discuss/Consider accepting the Texas Commission on the Arts Performer Support Grant in the amount of $250 and matching the funds from the Library Memorials & Donations fund.]

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, LUCAS MILLER IS A SINGING ZOOLOGIST.

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HE WILL BE OUR FINAL PERFORMER FOR SUMMER READING PROGRAM IN JULY.

UM, WE WERE ASKED IF WE WOULD SPLIT HIS FEE, WHICH IS LIKE FROM 1500 TO $2,000 PER PERFORMANCE.

SO SOME OF THE OTHER LIBRARIES THAT ARE IN NORTH TEXAS AND MAYBANK AND TRI COUNTY ASKED IF WE WOULD SPLIT THE FEE, UM, FOR HIM TO COME AND PERFORM.

SO OUR SHARE IS $500.

THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS PERFORMANCE GRANT SUPPORT GRANT PROVIDES 50% OF THAT FEE, WHICH IS $250.

SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF OUR DONATIONS GO THROUGH OUR FRIENDS WITH THE LIBRARY, WE DO HAVE THOSE THAT, UM, DONATE DIRECTLY TO THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LIBRARY THAT FILTERED THROUGH THE COUNTY.

SO WE'RE ASKING THAT WE MATCH THAT, USE THAT MONEY TO MATCH THAT 250, UM, DOLLARS THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE GRANT.

SO I'M ASKING THE COURT JUST TO APPROVE THE GRANT JUDGE AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAS DONE DUE DILIGENCE AND GETTING ALL THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING FOR THIS GRANT.

AND WE'VE BEEN AWARDED THAT AND JUST TO USE THAT MONEY TO MATCH IT, UH, QUESTIONS.

NO, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT, UH, SUPPORT GRANT I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WITH A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NINE, CONSTABLE JOHNSON, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING DEPUTY BASIN MEGALLY TO FILL A VACANT APPROVED FULL-TIME POSITION WITH A COFFIN COUNTY PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE PATROL FOR MUD NUMBER FIVE PATROL CONTRACT.

NEXT UP

[9. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving Deputy Bassem Megally to fill a vacant approved full-time position with the Kaufman County Pet. 2 Constable's office Patrol for MUD #5 Patrol Contract.]

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.

MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THIS POSITION WAS APPROVED AND ACCEPTED, UH, FOR MUDD FIVE.

WE HAVE A, UH, ONE OFFICER THAT IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRING OVER TO A CORPORATE POSITION OR IN AN FTO POSITION.

SO IT OPENS UP A MUD FIVE POSITION.

UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO PUT HIM IN THERE QUESTIONS FOR CONSTABLE, IF YOU'RE NO QUESTION, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, TO MAKE THAT, TO FILL THAT VACANT POSITION, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES BACK

[10. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving the deputation of Bassem Megally as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman County Pct. 2 Constable's office.]

TO THE CONSTABLE AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE DEPUTIZATION OF BASING MEGALLY AS A DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH THE KAUFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.

YES, SIR.

JUDGE.

SO MR. MAGALI ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

UM, HE IS A MASTER, A PEACE OFFICER.

UM, HE'S BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW FOR SEVEN YEARS.

VERY WELL, UM, EXPERIENCE AND ALSO WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THE TYPE OF, UH, RESIDENTS AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE DEPARTMENT QUESTIONS FOR CONSTABLE JOHNSON.

NO, IF YOU'RE NO QUESTION, IS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT DEPUTIZATION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WITH A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[11. Tandi Smith; Discuss/Consider approval for a shared election technology training opportunity with Henderson County Elections at an estimated cost of $750.00]

NEXT UP TANDY SMITH DISCUSSED CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A SHEARED ELECT FOR A SHARED ELECTION TECHNOLOGY TRAINING OPPORTUNITY WITH HENDERSON COUNTY ELECTIONS AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF $750.

GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN.

SO WE HAVE A SOFTWARE THAT SEVERAL COUNTIES IN TEXAS HAVE.

IT'S CALLED V MAX.

IT'S OUR VOTER REGISTRATION SOFTWARE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACQUIRED TWO NEW EMPLOYEES THIS YEAR.

HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO REALLY DELVE INTO THAT SYSTEM IN FULL DETAIL WITH THEM.

ADDITIONALLY CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THAT SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE THE SENATE BILL ONE REQUIREMENTS.

SO HENDERSON COUNTY REACHED OUT TO US WITH A JOINT TRAINING OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL VOTE A FULL DAY'S TRAINING ON THE SOFTWARE AS WELL AS ITS ENHANCEMENTS AND THE SHARED COSTS FOR US.

OUR PORTION WOULD BE $750 OUT OF A $1,500 AGREEMENT FOR TRAINING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

NO, IT SOUNDED LIKE WE'RE GOING TO NAIL YOU.

NONE OF THE COUNTIES SHARE THE COSTLY.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTION, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT A TRAINING OPPORTUNITY THAT COSTS $750? I'LL MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UP RAELYNN SMITH DISCUSS CONSIDER ONE YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH ANNUAL INCREASE ON BASE FEE PER DIEM RATES AS PRESENTED BY SOUTHERN HEALTH PARTNERS.

MA'AM OKAY.

[12. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider one (1) year contract extension and annual increase on base fee and per diem rates as presented by Southern Health Partners.]

THERE AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.

UH, THIS IS FOR OUR HEALTH CONTRACT

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ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE SHERIFF AND OBVIOUSLY ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE MADE IN HIS PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

UH, THIS IS JUST PART OF THE PROCESS TO UPDATE THEIR CONTRACT INFORMATION.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? IF YOU'RE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ONE-YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION AS PRESENTED ON LIKE IN MOTION, BUT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UP, HOK ARCHITECTS DISCUSS, CONSIDER CONSTRUCTION RECOMMENDATIONS AND FUNDING COMMITMENTS FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AS PRESENTED BY HOK ARCHITECTS.

MA'AM OKAY.

[13. HOK Architects; Discuss and consider construction recommendations and funding commitments for the next phase of the Facilities Master Plan as presented by HOK Architects]

SO CARLOS, I THINK IS HERE WITH US.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HEAR WHAT CARLOS HAS TO SAY.

THEN WE HAVE, I HAVE THREE PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS MATTER.

WE'LL ASK THEM TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS ACROSS THE COURT.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, GOOD TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.

UM, THIS IS BASICALLY, UM, THE FIGURE NUMBERS TO RECAP, UM, ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD, UH, ON THE LAST COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN WHICH, UM, I WAS GOING TO RECALL, IT WAS A, UH, USED TO PRESENT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE, UM, COURTHOUSE RENOVATION AND THE ANNEX RENOVATION TO HOST ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HOSTED ON THOSE LOCATIONS.

UM, THERE WERE DIFFERENT DEDICATIONS FOR THAT, FOR THAT, UM, HOW TO GO ABOUT PROVIDING THE PROPER, UM, BUILDING FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

AND, UM, AS THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, UH, WE, WE FIRST STARTED OUT BY REMODELING.

UH, THE OPTION WAS TO REMODEL THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL AS DNX, UH, FOR THE NEW FUNCTIONS THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE A HOUSEHOLD, THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, UH, WE HAD TO REALLY LOOK HARD AND, AND SEE, UH, WILD TENTATIVES WAS THERE TOO BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER SCORED, IS MEGAN ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION? THE, UH, FROM THERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT SECOND OPTION, UM, THAT WAS CONSIDERING, UH, PERHAPS PUTTING IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON THE COURTHOUSE AND THAT WAY IT CAN BASED ALL THE MONEY AND REALLY DO, UH, WHAT WAS PROPER PUTTING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COURTHOUSE AND, AND HOW THE ANNEX B UH, DIVESTED, UH, AS, AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

UM, BUT WITH THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO WHAT WE WILL DO GOING TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS SO THAT IT EAT AFFECTS, UH, ON ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

AND IT ALSO AFFECTS MAYBE MOVING SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OUT TO OTHER LOCATIONS, JUST LIKE THE BARN AND HAVING A PROPER BUILDING FOR THE ELECTIONS, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DRAWBACKS OR THE OPTION.

ONE, WE WERE PRIMARILY ASKED TO, UM, BE ABLE TO USE MOST OF THE SPACE OF THE COURTHOUSE, WHICH I THINK WAS ABLE TO GIVE US THE SPACE ENOUGH FOR THE ELECTIONS, HOWEVER, IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE ELECTIONS.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UM, SO JUST GOING VERY BRIEFLY ON, UM, MAYBE GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN, IN, IN THAT FIGURE AMOUNT, UH, IT GOES LIKE THIS, UH, FOR FIRST OF ALL, OPTION ONE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION.

UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, 7 MILLION, 337,500 AND THE ANNEX RENOVATION ARE 4 MILLION, 515,425.

SO WHAT A TOTAL OF 11,858,950, UH, 25 OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS CONSOLIDATING THE, UH, ALL THE FUNCTIONS IN THE COURTHOUSE.

PRETTY MUCH BY THE TIME YOU ARE ACTUALLY TOUCHING THE COURTHOUSE IN TRYING TO RENOVATE IT, IT'S, UH, YOU PRETTY MUCH DOING THE WHOLE THING, JUST DO A HOW TO DO ALL THE SYSTEMS, EVERYTHING.

SO IT, BY THAT POINT, THE FINGER NUMBER IS, IS RELATIVELY THE SAME.

SO WE ARE LOOKING STILL AT THE 7,337,500.

NOW AT THAT POINT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE ANNEX RENOVATION BECAUSE WE WILL

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HAVE, UH, CONSOLIDATE THOSE ON THE COURTHOUSE.

HOWEVER, IT WAS TO HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE PARKING LOT.

UM, WE WILL BE DIVESTING THE, UH, THE ANNEX, BUT WE WILL BE STILL RENOVATING THE PORTION FOR THE PARKING.

AND NOW IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS THAT, UM, FOR THE, UH, CONDITION HEALTH AND, AND THE BETTER END OFFICE, UM, THAT COULD BE CO LOCATED ELSEWHERE.

AND AT THIS POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE, AT THE LIBRARY SEEMS WE WERE STILL GONNA DO SOME RENOVATION OUT THERE DURING THE PAVILION.

UH, BY THAT CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY, UH, EASY TO, UM, ABSORB THE COST OF THOSE, THOSE TWO FUNCTIONS.

AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO NOT UTILIZE THAT SPACE IN THE COURTHOUSE.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE ALREADY HAD A NUMBER TO DO THE, UM, THE, UH, LIBRARY EXPANSION ALONG WITH THE, UH, VETERAN, UH, PAVILION.

AND THAT NUMBER HAD ALREADY BEEN, UH, UH, PUT DOWN AS A 3 MILLION, 500,000 NOW, UM, BEING ABLE TO, AGAIN, TO PUT ALL THOSE COMPONENTS IN THE COURTHOUSE, UH, HE WAS UTILIZING ALL THE SPACE THAT WAS TAKEN BY THE ELECTIONS.

THE ELECTIONS WAS TAKING A LOT OF SPACE IN THE COURTHOUSE, SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ON THE ANNEX.

HOWEVER, WE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE A SPACE FOR THE ELECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT THE USC SITE AND THE USC SITE, UH, WAS, UH, A PERFECTLY LOCATION TO, UM, SITUATE THE, UH, THE NEW ELECTIONS FACILITY GROUND UP PURPOSELY BUILT.

AND, UH, WE LOOK AT A NUMBER FOR A, UH, 3,745,800.

SO I TOTAL FOR OPTION TWO, THIS CASE IS, IS RUNNING OUT TO A 15 MINUTE, 383,300.

NOW FROM THERE, UH, WE WERE, WE HAD THE, UH, SEVERAL, UH, MEETINGS, TWO ARE GOING TO THOSE TWO OPTIONS AND WE WERE REQUESTED TO BRING UP A DIFFERENT OPTION WHERE, UM, WE CONSIDER BUILDING ON THE ANNEX AREA.

IT'S JUST A GROUND UP BUILDING, NO WORSE TEAR DOWN, BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.

AND THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BUILDINGS, THEY, UH, THEY ARE, THEY ALREADY HAVE RUN THEIR LIFE.

AND, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BE INVESTED ON, ON TRYING TO RENOVATE IT.

NOW IT CAN BE DONE.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE, UH, AS WE HAD TELL BEFORE, I MEAN, WE CAN JUST PUT MORE MONEY ON IT AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, STILL USABLE MORE, BUT IT'S, IS THAT THE BEST MONEY INVESTED OR THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE COME UP WITH DIFFERENT OPTION AND OPTION THREE, OPTION THREE A IS REALLY CONSIDERING BUILDING ON THE SAME SITE OF THE ANNEX, BUT TURNING IT DOWN AND BUILDING A BRAND NEW BUILDING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BETTER, BEST BUILT, UH, PURPOSE, PURPOSE STABILITY WILL PROVIDE A BETTER PERFORMANCE.

UM, AND HE'S GOING TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO SITE TO ACQUIRE FOR IT.

UH, BUT OF COURSE, UH, IT DOES, IT DOES COST MORE MONEY.

HOWEVER, UM, THE BUILDING WILL LAST MUCH LONGER AND IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT TO THE, FOR THE PROPER PURPOSE.

SO AT THIS LOCATION, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION TO BE THE SAME NUMBER 7 MILLION, 337,500.

AND THE NEW ANNEX BUILDING ON THE EXISTING SITE, UH, WOULD BE, UM, 7 MILLION, 840,460 NOW.

AND THIS OPTION WAS TO HAVE THE ELECTIONS BEING DOING AT THE REMOTE SITE AT THE EOC SITE, UH, AT THE SAME FIGURE NUMBER 3,745,800 FOR A TOTAL OF 18,923,760.

NOW FROM THERE, UH, KNOWING THE, THE SITE ON THE EOC, WE, UH, REALLY LOOK INTO ANOTHER POSSIBILITY OF DOING THE, UH, ANNEX ALSO AT THE EOC SITE, WHICH BASICALLY IT WAS SINCE WE'RE GOING TO DO A NEW BUILDING ANYWAY, UH, H HAS TO LOOK IN A MATTER OF IF THEY, IF THE COUNTY HAS PROPERTY, THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN, WE CAN STILL DIVEST THE ANNEX BUILDING AND JUST BUILD THE NEW ANNEX ELSEWHERE.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EOC SITE, WHICH HAD PLENTY OF LAND TO DO IT AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE ELECTIONS.

SO OPTION

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THREE B AGAIN, THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION LOOKING AT 7 MILLION, 337,500.

WE STILL WILL KEEP THE, UH, ANNEX, UH, THE EXISTING PARKING AND WE STILL WILL RENOVATE IT.

SO WE STILL HAVE THAT 800,000 FIGURE NUMBER TO DO THAT, THAT WILL KEEP THE COUNTY WITH THE PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

UH, WE'LL SERVE HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN.

NOW THE, UM, NEW ANNEX BUILDING AT THE EOC, THE EOC LOCATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT 6 MILLION, 706,680.

AND ALSO, UM, WE WILL HAVE THE ELECTIONS FACILITY AT 3,745,800.

AND WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIVEST THE ANNEX, WHICH IS THE $800,000 THAT WE WERE GIVEN AS A POSSIBLE VALUE.

SO WITH ALL THOSE IN MIND, UH, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 17,789,800, 980 NOW, UM, TO STRIVE TO KEEP ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, IN, IN PUT THOSE ON THE TABLE, WE CAME UP WITH TWO ADDITIONAL OPTIONS, WHICH ARE VERY SIMILAR.

HOWEVER, THE NEXT OPTION IS LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL PARKING AS A CIPHER, THE ANNEX, WHICH KEEPS IT IN DOWNTOWN AREAS STILL KEEPS IT ON COUNTY PROPERTY.

AND THE FACT IS THAT, UH, IT STILL REMAINS SOME PARKING TO BE USED BY THE COUNTY, UH, ON IN THE COURTHOUSE AND THE, AND THE ANNEX, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE IT ALL.

AND THE FACT IS THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE LOAD OF THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE OUT OF THE JUSTICE CENTER.

SO IT STILL IS A VERY VIABLE OPTION AND STILL DOES IT ON THE END.

IT'S STILL, YOU KEEP THE, UH, THE, UH, THE ANNEX IS STILL ABLE TO BE DIVESTED SO ON THIS OPTION.

UM, AGAIN, THE COURTHOUSE IS A 700, 330 7,500.

THE RENOVATION OF THE PARKING LOT IS WE'LL KEEP IT AT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

NOW, THE NEW ANNEX BUILDING BUILT IN THIS LOCATION, WE HAVE IT AT 6 MILLION, 834,680.

WE'RE STILL DIVEST THE ANNEX BUILDING THIS EXISTING BUILDING, UH, THROUGH, UH, AT 800,000 AND THE NEW, UH, ELECTIONS FACILITY STILL AT THE EOC LOCATION, THREE MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED FORTY FIVE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED SEVENTEEN MILLION NINE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY HERE'S.

THE LAST OPTION IS SO SIMILAR TO OPTION THREE C WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT INSTEAD OF DIVESTING THE ANNEX, UM, WE TEAR IT DOWN AND WE CREATE A GREEN SPACE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE A, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA, MORE BIBLE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS CAN BE DONE.

UM, BUT IN ESSENCE PLANNING WISE, IT KEEPS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE NEW ANNEX BUILDING THAT IS BUILT ON THE EXISTING PARKING AND CONNECTION WITH THE GREEN AREA TOWARDS THE COURTHOUSE ALSO CREATES A MORE GREEN SPACE FOR MORE FOR GATHERING THINGS, EVENTS, UM, MORE GREEN SPACE IN THE AREA, UM, MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND ACTUALLY ENHANCES THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN.

SO THEY PROBABLY, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T DO, YOU DON'T DIVEST THE ANNEX, BUT INSTEAD YOU STILL HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND MAYBE PARTNER UP WITH THE CITY BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY REALLY HELPS THE CITY AS WELL.

SO THAT COULD BE A PARTNERING TO GET SOME MONEY TO, UM, IMPROVE AND MAKE A NICE PARK GREEN AREA THERE.

SO THERE'S A, TO BE DETERMINED NUMBER.

UH, IT CAN ROUND FROM 600,000 TO 800,000 TO DO, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS DONE FOR THAT GREEN AREA.

SO THIS OPTION GIVES US A TOTAL OF 18,589,980.

UM, NOW, UM, THERE'S OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE ALSO ON THE TABLE.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, MAY PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS ON OTHER, UM, ANOTHER NIECE THAT THE COUNTY HAS, UH, NOT TO FORGET THAT WE HAVE THE PROPOSED JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY AT 16 MILLION, UM, $28,634.

AND THE EXPO IN ARENA, WHICH WAS ALSO PRESENTED IN A DIFFERENT SESSION, UH, THAT CONTAINS, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SHOW BARN, UM, EXPO CENTER AND WORKING ON THE HORSE BARN, UH, JUST DOING A MORE OF AN APPLE THEATER AREA, UH, MORE, MORE SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 MILLION, 800,012 MILLION, $100,000.

UH, SO ALL THIS IS FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, WHAT

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THE OPTION SHOULD BE ON, ON ONE OF THESE, UH, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO ON THIS OPERATE.

SO THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO SEE WHAT THE, THE, UM, COMMITMENT CORP HAS LOOKED INTO AND HAS THE DECISION TO WHICH WAY TO GO.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OPTIONS, OR I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY ALL HAVE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

UH, NO DON'T GO AWAY.

UM, SO I THOUGHT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE LIFTS WITH COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ABOUT THIS WE WOULD HEAR FROM THEM.

AND THEN, UM, I'M SURE IT WILL, I GUESS HE'D JUST HAVE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, ANSWERS OR DISCUSSION.

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU, YOU JUST STEP HERE IF YOU WANT TO, CARLOS.

GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO CALL HIM THE HONORABLE, BUT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MIKE HOLDER, I THINK HE'S HONORABLE, UH, HE ASKED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ITEM.

UM, SO GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

UM, MY NAME IS MIKE HOLDER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND CITY OF KAUFFMAN 2 0 9, SOUTH WASHINGTON, KAUFMAN, TEXAS.

UM, THE CITY JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS, UM, HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND WE THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE AVAILABLE TO US TO REVIEW.

UM, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPOUND UPON THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS FROM YOUR JUNE 7TH PUBLIC MEETING.

UH, THE MAYOR COULDN'T BE HERE THIS MORNING.

HE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT HE'S SPEAKING AT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN SMITH COUNTY THIS MORNING.

UH, SO YOU, YOU GOT THE THIRD TEAM.

MIKE IS ILL, SO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

UH, THE MAIN THING IS, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WORK, UH, AND PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT WITH YOUR CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT THESE VARIED OPTIONS.

IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HOK HAS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.

UM, AS FAR AS THE CITY GOES AND, AND OUR MAYOR, UM, WE PREFER, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OPTION THREE C, UH, THAT WOULD DIVEST THE ANNEX AND BUILD A NEW FACILITY BEHIND IT.

UH, AND SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A GOOD OPTION, NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY, BUT FOR THE COUNTY, UH, IS ONE, IT WOULD PLACE A VERY, WHAT WE THINK HIGHLY MARKETABLE PROPERTY, UM, BACK ON THE MARKET.

AND WE WOULD HOPE TO, UM, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BUILDING WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO, UH, ATTRACT A DESTINATION TENANT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, UH, WITH OUR DOWNTOWN.

UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY IS INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TRYING TO UPGRADE DOWNTOWN WITH THE UTILITIES AND SIDEWALK PROJECT THAT WE, UH, DID.

WE DID AN INITIAL LANDSCAPE PHASE.

UM, WE ARE FIXING TO INVEST MORE MONEY AND UPDATING THAT LANDSCAPING TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE APPEALING.

UM, AND WHILE I'M THERE, I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE GREEN SPACE OPTION.

SURE.

THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AND OUR LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE ON THOSE IS, IS AN ISSUE.

UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE NOT ONLY AN ONGOING COST, BUT, UH, LIKELY ONGOING HEADACHE.

AND WE HAVEN'T SHOWN THAT WE CAN DO A VERY GOOD JOB MAINTAINING WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.

UM, AND WHEN I WENT AROUND AND THIS MORNING, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, WHERE WE HAVE METAL TRIM ALL THE WAY AT RANDOM.

COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE, UM, IN THE CURRENT ANNEX.

WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH THAT, BOTH FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THE COUNTY STANDPOINT AS WELL, BUT SO WE THINK THAT THAT HAVING THIS PROPERTY ON THE MARKET IS A GOOD THING.

I KNOW OUR EDC WOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT HELPING MARKET THIS PROPERTY.

UM, ALONG WITH THAT, IT, UM, BECOMES BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.

YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING WAS A, UH, TAX GENERATING BUILDING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS UNTIL THE COUNTY TOOK IT OVER AND TOOK IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

SO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE NOT ONLY A BENEFIT TO THE CITY, UH, BUT A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY AS WELL.

A NEW COUNTY BUILDING THAT WE HOPE WOULD FIT THE CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, UM, WOULD ALSO EXPAND OUR DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT AREA.

AND WHILE ALL, WHILE ALSO CONTINUING TO DRIVE FOOT TRAFFIC, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT YOU WILL HAVE IN THAT BUILDING, BUT FROM NOW HOPEFULLY A NEW

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SO, UH, BOTH OF THOSE ARE BIG WINS, UM, IMPROVEMENT TO THE PARKING LOT, BOTH AESTHETICALLY.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT AESTHETICALLY THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE PARKING LOT IS NOT GOOD.

UH, AS WELL AS THE FUNCTIONALITY WOULD CERTAINLY BE VERY WELCOME TO THE CITY.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN CONSULTANTS ASSESSMENT THAT SHOWS THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPTION AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF CARE, UH, CATEGORIES.

WE CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE COST WISE JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN AN OLD BUILDING, UH, THE COST JUST NEVER GOES AWAY.

AND SO WHILE WE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS DONE THIS TO RETROFITTED BUILDINGS, UM, IT JUST OFTEN DOESN'T THE INVESTMENT, UM, DOES NOT EQUAL THE BENEFIT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THE CONTINUED MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP ON A BUILDING THIS OLD, UM, WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO, TO THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, COSTS AREN'T GETTING ANY CHEAPER.

I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND WORK INTO GETTING HERE.

UH, WE ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, HUGE INCREASES ON EVERY PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, SOMETIMES AS MUCH AS TRIPLE A, WHAT THEY WERE WHEN WE STARTED DESIGN 24 MONTHS AGO.

UH, SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN IT IS TODAY, AT LEAST NOT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UM, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS, YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR US AS A CITY AND THEY JUST DON'T COME ALONG VERY OFTEN, THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF DOWNTOWN, UH, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO PRESENT ITSELF VERY OFTEN TO THE CITY.

AND SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS BUILDING BE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF DOWNTOWN THAT MIGHT, UH, GENERATE EVEN MORE ACTIVITY AROUND OUR DOWNTOWN WOULD CERTAINLY BE A HUGE PLUS TO THE CITY.

AND IF THE CITY'S DOING WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY IS TOO.

AND, UM, SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, THOSE POINTS, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE CITY.

UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU AND AS A COUNTY AND WANT TO CONTINUE THAT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP, UM, MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

UH, OKAY.

UH, CARRIE RUFF, WHO IT WORKED REPRESENTS KAUFLIN DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS.

THE BIGGEST THREE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.

MY NAME IS KERRY RAL.

UH THAT'S OKAY.

SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD, SO IT LOOKS LIKE REF, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK THIS MORNING AND ON BEHALF OF OUR MERCHANTS, UM, WE DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT, THAT YOUR ARCHITECTS AND THE COUNTY HAS PUT INTO THIS.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN VERY, UH, TIRESOME AND YOU'RE READY TO SEE SOME LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, AND WE'RE ANXIOUS FOR THAT AS WELL.

UM, WE VERY GOOD POINTS, MR. HOLDER, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS.

UM, I, I SERVE ON SOME OF THE QUITE A FEW COMMITTEES AROUND TOWN IS, AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AND I CAN SPEAK FOR TWO OF OUR OTHER, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS HERE KELLY'S TO LESCHI AND, UM, PAM GRANT, THEY OWN THE TEA ROOM AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THE, UM, MARK AND TAIL ON GROVE, THE LITTLE, UH, ANTIQUE MALL, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

A LOT OF TIMES THE MERCHANTS, UM, HERE ARE THE, UH, ABSORPTION OF, OF THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME TO THE COUNTY JUDGE AND WALK IN YOUR OFFICE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE FEEL IS A PROBLEM, UM, OR THAT MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT WE, WE, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL TAKE NOTE AND TRY TO, TO BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE, THE GOVERNMENT.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE, WE FEEL LIKE COMING UP HERE TO SPEAK FOR, FOR THE CITIZENS AS WELL.

UM, THERE ARE THREE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE, WE SEE A LOT OF TIMES.

UM, AND WE, WE TRY TO SEE VOICE, UM, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN KIND OF HELP WITH.

UM, THOSE THREE ISSUES ARE WE NEED MORE PLACES TO WORK IN THIS COUNTY AND IN THIS CITY, AND WE NEED, UH, PLACES TO LODGE AND WE NEED PLACES TO PARK.

AND THOSE ARE, UH,

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WE FACE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

UM, AS FAR AS SPACES AND PLACES TO WORK, WE'RE VERY MUCH LANDLOCKED.

AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH MR. HOLDER WHERE, UM, WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR, OUR FOOTPRINT.

UM, WHEN I CAME INTO BUSINESS, WE HAD 23 VACANCIES AROUND THE SQUARE.

NOW THERE ARE SEVEN AND THEY ARE CLOSING RAPIDLY AND IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE, AS MERCHANTS DO BELIEVE THAT DIVESTING THE ANNEX WOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE HOPE BECAUSE OUT OF TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SQUARE, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO HOST HOLD A HOTEL.

SO IF WE COULD GET ANY, UH, HOTEL ON THIS SQUARE, THAT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER.

WE NEED A PLACE FOR, FOR CITIZENS AND TRAVELERS AND VISITORS TO STAY.

THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO STAY ON THE SQUARE.

AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST REQUEST.

WE HAVE ONE LOFT AIRBNB, AND IT IT'S IT'S RIGHT ABOVE MAPLES HALL, IT STAYS BOOKED AND THERE IS JUST, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO STAY.

IF, IF THE, THIS BECAME VACANT AND ANOTHER FLOOR OR TWO WERE ADDED BY PRIVATE OWNER, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY CHANGE AFTER FIVE, NOT LIFE, UM, WITH, WITH THE BACK DOOR ENTRANCE AND A PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE US A DESTINATION.

IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP THE BUSINESSES THRIVE.

IT WOULD PROVIDE TONS OF EMPLOYMENT AND NOT JUST THE PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND THE SQUARE, BUT ALSO, UH, HOSPITALITY AND WHITE STAFF.

AND YOU NAME IT.

UM, JESSE'S FAJITAS AND RITA'S ARE, IT'S OPENING UP, I THINK, IN DECEMBER ACROSS THE WAY.

AND I BELIEVE HE'S BRINGING 25 PEOPLE.

UM, IT JOBS JUST, JUST IN THAT ONE LOCATION, I CAN, I WISH I COULD, I COULD TELL A LOT OF OTHER VISIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING IN, BUT IT'S IT, IT'S PRETTY MOVING OF HOW, HOW MUCH THE SQUARE IS CHANGING.

UM, IF I COULD BEG YOU TO, TO DIVEST THIS, I WOULD, I DID IT RIGHT HERE, BUT WE REALLY, WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DO SELECT ONE THAT DOES, DOES DIVEST.

I THINK THE, THE OPTION THAT MR. HOLDER, UM, PRESENTED WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY GOOD, HOWEVER, IT'S, IT'S WAY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TO, UM, TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE PARKING ISSUE.

THAT THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE AS AN ISSUE WITH PUTTING, UH, A BUILDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR VERY, UM, LIMITED PARKING IS, IS IT JUST TAKES AWAY FROM THE PARK PARKING THAT'S THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAYBE STACK PARKING, PUT A GARAGE IN BOTH OF THE LIGHTS, HOWEVER, YOU, YOU MIGHT CAN MAYBE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT HELP.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF, IF THERE'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT'S THE ONLY BIG X ON THAT ONE IS THE PARKING.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT WE AS MERCHANTS FEEL LIKE, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE TO PUT ALL OF THE, THE EMPLOYEES OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE AND MAYBE GO UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE COST OR THE, THE LOGISTICS OF THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD HELP, BUT, UM, WE WERE KIND OF YOUR NAVIGATORS WHENEVER PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, IT IS A WHIPPING TO TELL THEM WHERE TO GO AROUND TOWN.

SO IT, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S A BETTER TERM, BUT TO TRY TO NAVIGATE FOLKS TO ALL OF THE LITTLE LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE COUNTY OFFICES ARE, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER JUST TO POINT AND TELL THEM TO GO UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR OR EIGHTH FLOOR FOR ALL WE CARE IT TO, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO JUST SEND THEM ON IT.

I'M ONE OF THE POINTS I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER, UM, AS FAR AS THE POOR FORM GOES, I THINK IT WOULD BE SMART FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND VETERANS, UH, DEPARTMENTS TO, TO GO OUT TO THE POOR FARM BECAUSE IN, IN THE LIBRARY EXPANSIONS AND ALL OF THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE OUT THERE, AND MR. HUNT PLAINVIEW SERVE, HE

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SERVES ON THE COMMISSION WITH ME AS WELL.

BUT, UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO, TO KIND OF JUST DROP IN HERE AS A SIDE NOTE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I HEARD ON THE LAST SPECIAL MEETING WAS INDIGENT HEALTHCARE.

I DON'T BELIEVE, I THINK THAT THERE'S SUCH A STIGMA ON THAT ALREADY.

I DON'T THINK SENDING, UH, INDIGENT HEALTHCARE TO THE POOR FARM WOULD BE, WOULD BE WISE.

I THINK MAYBE KEEP THAT DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY OFFICIALS, OFFICES WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

UM, SO BUILD UP, NOT OUT IS MY, MY FIRST THOUGHT.

AND IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESOLVE THE PARKING ISSUE THEN, UM, AND WE COULD EXPAND THAT FOOTPRINT THEN WE'RE, UH, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

BUT WE DO AS MERCHANTS HOPE THAT YOU CAN, DEVIS THIS ANNEX, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, AND THEN KELLY'S TO LESCHI D YOU DON'T WANT US TO BE, SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF ITEM.

SHE WAS SUPPORTING, I GUESS WHAT CARRIE SAID.

UM, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AND NOW I THINK WE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION WE WANT TO HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO KICK IT OFF, BUT MY, UH, I GUESS THE WAY I WOULD FRAME THIS IS I'LL.

I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT I REMINDED Y'ALL LAST TIME, BASED ON THE BID, THE BIDS THAT GALLAGHER OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER SHARED WITH US, THESE WERE FOR SCHOOL PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, THEY'RE SEEING A 15 TO 20% OR MORE INCREASES, AND WE HAVE 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PARKED FOR THESE PROJECTS, UH, ARE PUT MONEY IN BOND MONEY.

AND SO THAT'S, IF YOU GO WITH THAT 1% A MONTH TO 2% A MONTH, THAT MEANS WE'RE BLEEDING ABOUT 120,000 TO $200,000 OF SPENDING MORE MONEY EVERY MONTH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT A MONTH FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ANYMORE THAN WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, I THINK HOK HAS BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2020, UM, AND I JUST THINK WE'VE COME TO THE POINT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION AND GET STARTED, UH, GET STARTED WITH MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UH, I HOPE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TODAY SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE SOME INSTRUCTIONS.

SO WHO WANTS TO ANYBODY WANNA ADVOCATE FOR ONE PARTICULAR OPTION OR NOT? WELL, I'LL START JUDGING.

PLEASING AND, UH, UM, ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE, UH, ALL OF THE MOVEMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT THE SHIP, UH, HAS BEEN UNTIED FROM THE DOCK, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY PULLED AWAY YET.

SO, UM, UH, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE LAST SPEAKER'S COMMENTS RESONATE, THEY I'VE HAD SOME INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU AND, AND WITH HOK AS WELL.

UM, AND, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS ALL GONNA COME DOWN TO FUNDING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE END, UH, ALL OF THESE HAVE MERITS, BUT IN TRUTH, SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

UH, AND, AND, UM, INFLATION AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU ARE ALL FACTORS? UM, I THINK THAT THE ONE OPTION THAT REALLY HAS NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED, WHICH IS NOT ON ANY OF THESE, UH, IS TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF A CONSOLIDATION, UH, WHICH WAS KIND OF TOUCHED ON DURING THE PRESENTATION THAT WE CENTRALIZE ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS IN THE COURTHOUSE LOCATION, UH, IN TRUTH THAT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, JUST LIKE THIS ONE, THERE'S ABOUT AN 80 YEAR OLD BUILDING OR SO.

AND, UH, AND IT OCCURS TO ME THAT, THAT, UH, ALL OF THESE OPTIONS INVOLVED BUILDING, OR AT LEAST THE, THE, THE, IT SEEMS THE VIABLE OPTIONS ALL INVOLVE BUILDING AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, SCATTERED AROUND THE CITY HERE SOMEWHERE.

SO, ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE AT LEAST A MOMENT TO LOOK AT, IS IT VIABLE TO DEMOLISH THE OLD COURTHOUSE? I KNOW THERE'S A HISTORICAL AND, AND, UH, EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO IT, BUT IS IT VIABLE TO DEMOLISH THE OLD COURTHOUSE AND BUILD A MODERN PURPOSE-BUILT BUILT BUILDING THAT PERHAPS WOULD BE MORE AESTHETICALLY

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AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT MORE THAN THE 12 MILLION OR SO THAT WE HAVE PARKED, BUT, UH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A FACILITY, UH, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S ON THIS LOCATION OR IN THAT PARKING LOT, OR BEHIND THE EOC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING FACILITIES THAT HAVE TO SERVE THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 40 OR 50 YEARS.

SO I REALLY THINK THAT WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO TAKE A REALLY CURSORY IF, IF NOTHING ELSE QUICK LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST TO BUILD A SINGLE BUILDING THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE ALL THE, WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WOULD, UM, LEND ITSELF TO OUR ONE-STOP SHOP, SORT OF PREMISE THAT WE'VE ALL WORKED OFF OF THAT SUPPORTS THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION THAT STILL FREES THIS BUILDING UP FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND, UH, IT PRESERVES THE PARKING, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE, EVEN THOUGH I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.

UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE, UH, I THINK THE ARCHITECTS HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY TO BUILD A STRUCTURE.

I MEAN, TAKE A LOOK AT THE JUSTICE CENTER THAT IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UH, IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AN ENTRY FACADE THAT WOULD, UM, BE A, IF YOU WILL, UH, A NOD TO OUR OLD HISTORIC COURTHOUSE.

UM, AND AGAIN, UH, I RECOGNIZE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO COST AND THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE THING WE HAVEN'T REALLY EVER DISCUSSED IS, IS IT VIABLE TO PUT A THREE-STORY STRUCTURE OVER THERE THAT IS MODERN? UH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MAINTENANCE ALL OVER THE CITY IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES, UH, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AND, UH, AND ACTUALLY WOULDN'T WOULD REALLY, UH, IMPROVE THE, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS ARE, ARE CERTAINLY VIABLE.

I THINK, UH, IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CONSIDER A COMPLETELY NEW COURTHOUSE, THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT, UH, THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN'S, UH, PROPOSAL FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION OVER HERE ON A, OF A NEW ANNEX OVER HERE ON THE PARKING LOT.

LET ME TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MONEY, UH, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE 17 18 MILLION.

THAT LIST IS 17, $18 MILLION.

WE ONLY HAVE 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

SO, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, THE $16 MILLION THAT'S THAT'S OUTLINED ON THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY OR THE EXPO AND ARENA $12 MILLION.

UM, BUT I THINK IF WE GO, IF WE MAKE A DECISION, WE, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE SHORTFALL 18 MILLION.

AND WE ONLY HAVE 12 AND A HALF MILLION.

NUMBER ONE, THESE ARE HOPEFULLY GENEROUS NUMBERS.

I DON'T KNOW WITH WAY COSTS ARE GOING UP, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VALUE ENGINEERING.

THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND I'M, I'LL JUST PICK ON THE ELECTIONS FACILITY.

THAT'S IN THERE, THAT'S IN THERE AT 3 MILLION, 7 45, IF ANY OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT'S NOT FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE.

IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A VERY FUNCTION ORIENTED BUILDING.

SO MAYBE SO WE GOT COSTS, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS.

AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME COMBINATION OF USING EXISTING FUNDS THAT WE HAVE, OR, UH, MAYBE EVEN THE SHORT-TERM BORROWING, BUT WE CAN START, WE CAN START THE PROCESS ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE PARTICULARLY, THE PROJECTS WE COMMITTED TO DO IN THE BOND ELECTION.

UM, I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN OPTION TO NOT DO THOSE.

SO ANYWAY, SO WHO ELSE WANTS TO ADD IN HERE? WELL, IT'S SPEAKING TO MONEY SINCE WE'RE ON THE MONEY TOPIC HERE.

UM, IF WE GOT FINAL NUMBERS FOR THE PET ADOPTION CENTER, I MEAN, THE LAST I HEARD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS THAT WE ARE UNDER BUDGET AT EXACTLY 7.2 ON THE PET ADOPTION CENTER.

SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN BILLS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID.

THE NUMBER OF THAT INCLUDES THE BOTTLE NUMBER FOUR, SET IT OPTION.

SO, AND THEN

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AND THEN YOU HAVE INVESTED BECAUSE THAT WAS DONE AS ONE PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY STRICT CONTINGENCIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN VALUE ENGINEERING FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.

SO WE'RE STILL HOLDING ON TO THAT AMOUNT.

SO I DO FEEL THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO COME BACK BETTER ON THE JUSTICE CENTER, BECAUSE WITHIN APRIL HOLD STRONG ON THAT CONTRACT, UM, CONSTRUCTION PAINTED AT APPROXIMATELY, UH, THE COUNTY CLERK IS ASKING THAT YOU SPEAK ON THEM RIGHT BEFORE THE ORIGINAL, WHENEVER THE BUDGET WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR YOUR FACILITIES BOND, UH, THAT FACILITY CAME IN AT RIGHT AT 3 MILLION.

SO THE SPREADSHEET, SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SHARED WITH Y'ALL WAS SHERWIN THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OVER ON OUR, UM, BOND MONEY.

ANYWAY, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IN TAKING A LOOK AT THE INITIAL BIDS THAT CAME IN ON THAT FACILITY, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST ANOTHER 35% INCREASE OVER THE $5 MILLION THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED ON THIS SHEET.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD VERY DETAILED CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST THREE OR FOUR DAYS.

I MEAN, DOWN TO CHANGING THE BRAND OF THE CARPET THAT'S GOING IN.

I MEAN, THERE THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SPENT TRYING TO GET THESE FACILITIES DOWN TO, UM, ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A FLOATING NUMBER.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE BEST RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE.

BUT HONESTLY YOU WILL NOT KNOW YOUR BUDGET UNTIL THE BIDS COME IN.

AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, HEY, UH, HOK AND GALLAGHER HAD BEEN GREAT AT, IN THE BID PACKETS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF ALTERNATE BIDS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE SO MUCH, SO MUCH MONEY CAUSE WE CAN GO IN AND IMMEDIATELY CHOOSE THE ALTERNATE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT YES, THESE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY VERY CONSERVATIVE AND THE BEST BET WOULD BE TO HOLD STRONG ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE.

AND WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS FOR YOU TO KNOW, UH, THE OTHER, IT IT'S A CATCH 22.

SO HOK MENTIONED TO ME THE OTHER DAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PLACES LIKE ODESSA, THEY BID OUT THEIR JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY GOT ZERO BIDS BECAUSE, UM, ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND COMPANIES ARE BUSY IN THAT AREA AND IT WASN'T WORTH BIDDING.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO IT'S KEEPING ALL OF OUR COSTS ABOUT THE SAME, BUT EVERYONE HERE IS BUSY AND THEY HAVE JOBS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING WITH HOK AND WE MENTIONED THIS THE OTHER DAY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PLUGGING IN NUMBERS, BUT HONESTLY UNTIL, UNTIL THE CONTRACTORS GIVE YOU THE PRICING, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WORK DOWN FROM THERE.

I THINK THAT EVEN ON THE KSS SUBSTATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET REALLY CLOSE TO THAT, OR THE SECOND NUMBER OF THE FIVE AND A HALF, BUT IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES AND A LOT OF WHICH IS CLOSER TO 6 MILLION NOW.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

AND THE PROBLEM, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE WITH EVERYTHING ON MY LIST NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE MONEY.

UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE SEE THE ACTUAL COST OF WHAT THE SUB SUBSTATION COSTS AND THE END RESULTS.

AND I KNOW ME AND YOU HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.

I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THAT ANY OF THESE PLANS MATCH UP TO MONEY THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN OUR, WE'RE NOT ON THE 13 MILLION ON THE HAY, IN OUR MONEY.

AREN'T WE GOING TO USE MORE THAN THAT? 13 OUT OF THIS 26? NO.

UM, THAT 13 IS A SET CONTRACT PRICE, AND IT ALSO HAS WORKED IN WITH, UM, THE SAME CONTRACTORS, SAME CONTINGENCIES ARE BUILT IN.

UM, LUCKILY THESE ARE THE SAME CONTRACTORS THAT WE WERE USING FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER AND WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND SOME OF THEIR CONTRACTS.

I WILL SAY, UM, THE CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN AMAZING OUT AT THE JUSTICE CENTER

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AND THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK FOR MATERIAL, PRESS RES UH ROZ'S UH, GALLAGHER IS HMM.

AND THEY COULDN'T OBTAIN HAVING TO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T GO IN THE WHOLE.

AND, UM, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF STAYING WITH THEIR ORIGINAL CONTRACT ESTIMATES AND NOT COME BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR ANY INCREASE IN MATERIALS OR SUPPLIES.

SO WHAT HAS HELPED IS THAT WE HAVE RELEASED FUNDS FOR MATERIAL STORAGE, SO THAT AS SOON AS THEY WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND ORDER THEIR MATERIALS BASED ON THE ESTIMATE COSTS AT THE END.

AND WE'RE NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THEM WAITING EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS TO ORDER.

UM, SO THOSE, WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT 13 MILLION NUMBER.

UM, AND EVEN IN THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF CONTRACTOR AND OWNER CONTINGENCY THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, YOU COULD, BUT ALL WE'VE DONE IS VALUE ENGINEERING ON THAT BUILDING BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE SAME CUTS TO THAT BUILDING THAT WE DID FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.

SO BASICALLY, I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME EXTRA MONEY, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WILL BE A WAY WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED.

IT'S SAFE TO GO WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME LEFTOVER, BUT I WOULDN'T ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS UNTIL YEAH.

SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHENEVER ALL THIS STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, WE STARTED GETTING A B IT'S.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING, IT'D BEING BUILT SIX MONTHS AWAY BEFORE WE START, WE START NO BID DOCUMENTS FOR ANY OTHERS.

SAY, WE CHOOSE AN OPTION DAY AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I MEAN, SO THE PROCESS THAT WE YET ARE STILL GOING TO BE MONTHS OUT.

AND THEN IF I CAN'T BELIEVE A BUSINESS OWNER WOULD DEDICATE MILLIONS WITHOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF CONTINGENCY FOR COST OVERRUNS OR WHATEVER.

SO AS FAR AS SAVING THE MONEY, IT'S STILL GOING TO COST US THE MONEY, WHETHER WE DO IT.

NOW WE DO IT LATER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUY, I MEAN, A GOOD BUSINESS PERSON IS GOING TO NOT SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO DO IT FOR THIS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S SIX MONTHS AWAY.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME TOUGH OF ALLOWANCES.

SO WE WILL BE GETTING PROCESSED SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY PROCESS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE BID DOCUMENTS.

ONCE THOSE PROCESS COME IN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A 60 90 DAY HOLD ON THAT.

UM, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE PUT IN THE CSP JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES THAT LONG TO GET CONTRACTS READY.

SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM OF A 25%, UH, CONTINGENCY THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT WITHIN THEIR NUMBER.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, BUT AT LEAST THEN YOU WILL HAVE CONCRETE NUMBERS AND YOU'LL KNOW AT THIS POINT IT'S IT'S ANYONE'S GUESS.

SO IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.

WE MIGHT CHOOSE SAY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE LIKE THE RECEIPT, BUT WHEN MOVE FORWARD THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE JUST HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THREE C.

SO WE'RE GONNA TO MODIFY A THREE C SO MODIFY THREE, SEE HOW WELL, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

IF, IF WE SAY THREE SEEN, WE STARTED GETTING BEARDS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO DO.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER CUT OR GET IN GENERAL FUND OUR FUND BALANCE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES, EVEN IF WE CHOOSE SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY GOT TO BE DONE.

THE BID PACKETS COULD BE DONE.

UM, OF COURSE YOU WOULD HAVE COURTHOUSE, RENOVATION, PARKING, LOT.

IT WOULD BE SEPARATE.

YOU WOULD HAVE THE ANNEX AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEVERAL ALTERNATES BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE COURTHOUSE THAT WE KNOW HAS TO BE DONE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU AWARD CONTRACTS ONCE THE BIDS COME IN.

I WOULD SAY THOUGH, THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, IF WE CHOSE WHATEVER, IF WE CHOSE ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, WE COULD AT LEAST START MOVING FORWARD ON TWO, TWO OF THE PROJECTS, GET MOVING TOWARDS BIDS, GET MOVING TOWARDS MORE SOLID NUMBERS.

AND THEN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

WE JUST HAVE TO, AT LEAST WE COULD GET STARTED.

AT LEAST WE COULD GET STARTED AND STOP.

MAYBE, MAYBE IT IS A THING THAT NEXT YEAR OR WHATEVER, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER BOND PACKAGE EVENTUALLY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, MAYBE ON THE COURTHOUSE OR SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT A NEW COURTHOUSE THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE STILL COME INTO AN ISSUE.

UM, I'M, UH, I'M, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT, LIKE KATE'S EVEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE NEVER EVEN REALLY DISCUSSED THAT MUCH.

MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS AND

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AND THEN IT FREES UP ALL THIS FOR WHATEVER MERCHANTS OR WHATEVER SOMEBODY REALLY ACTUALLY WANTS.

MAYBE, MAYBE THAT IS THE BIBLE OPTION.

UH, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY THAT'S, THIS IS A REAL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PICKING THIS OPTION, IT'S ALREADY A RISKY GAME ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THERE'S NO QUESTION.

JUST ASKING THE NUMBERS UP.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GET THERE THAT WE EVEN ACTUALLY HAVE THEM.

WHAT DO WE THINK IT COSTS? WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST TO BUILD THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER? WHAT THE JUSTICE CENTER OR THE EXPANSION? UH, JUST THE JUSTICE CENTER JUSTICE CENTER IS ABOUT A $40 MILLION FACILITY AND THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

YEP.

YOUR JUSTICE CENTER EXPANSION IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND YOU'RE 13 MILLION.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS OPTION C WITH ROUGHLY? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER.

UM, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, JUST FOR THE COURT WHERE ALL THE OPTIONS.

FOR THE NEW, THE SUGGESTED BUILDINGS, OPTION C IS A NEW ANNEX BUILDING AND A NEW ELC, THE ELECTION.

SO THE TWO BUILDINGS IN WHICH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ELECTIONS BUILDING, YOU'RE ASKING THE ELECTIONS BUILDING, PLUS YOU PROBABLY LOOKING AROUND 6,000.

UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS MORE LIKE EIGHT, EIGHT TO EIGHT, 9,000.

OH, OKAY.

I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE 6,000, I THINK 6,600 ALISON, THAT 6,000 WAS YOUR CURRENT NEEDS NEEDS.

AND THEN WE SAID, OKAY, 8,000.

AND, AND YOU SAID THE PRICE, IT, HOW MUCH A FOOT ON THE 8,000? UM, THAT WAS, UH, UH, IT WAS AROUND 200, 200.

NOW THIS IS CONSIDERING MORE OF A WAREHOUSE TYPE WAREHOUSE TYPE.

AND WHAT DO YOU RECALL? WHAT THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A, OF A NEW ANNEX BUILDING IN THIS PARKING LOT WAS? WELL, THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMEHOW RUNNING'S THE NUMBER AROUND, I THINK WAS LIKE 6,000 PER FLOOR.

SO YOU PROBABLY LOOKING AT 13,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO ABOUT 20, 20,000 BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, MUSCLE MENO, 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND 20,000 ADDED TO THE ANNEXES.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET TO THE JUSTICE CENTER WAS? 13 MILLION WELL, I MEAN, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY.

WELL, BY ME, IF THE 12 MILLION IS BASICALLY THEY ARE, THEY ARE MONEY.

I MEAN, OUR BOND MONEY IS GONE AND THAT'S A NEGATIVE TO MEAGAN.

BUT I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS OVER ALL THE NUMBERS AND ALL THE, ALL THE PROJECTS I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN AND FIGURING OUT THAT YOU CAN'T FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

SO OUR BOND MONEY IS ZIPPED GONE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING ALL THIS JUST ON THE AR MONEY THAT JUST FELL OUT THE SKY.

I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATIONS IF THE AR MONEY HADN'T FELL OUT THE SKY, YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, I, I, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN BROUGHT UP THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE SAID THAT WE WERE COMMITTED TO THE COURTHOUSE BUILDINGS AND TERRIBLE 40 IN IT DOES, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE THE TWO SUB COURTHOUSES, BUT THEN THEY BRING, COMMIT TO THEN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE DISCUSSING THINGS, IF WE CAME BACK AROUND AND SAID, OKAY, WE RE MODEL, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OVER HERE.

AND SOME COURTHOUSES, THEN WE COULD PROBABLY EAT UP THE 12 MILLION REALLY QUICK, JUST DOING THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF ALL THIS FUTURE PLAN, WHEN WE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, BUILDING A THREE-STORY BUILDING OR FOUR-STORY BUILDING AND WHATEVER, AND PUTTING ALL THE COUNTY ASSETS IN ONE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD MAKE PRETTY DECENT SINS, THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO GOES TO THE SAME LOCATION TO DO EVERYTHING, EXCEPT FOR SOMETHING LIKE A SITE, LIKE ELECTIONS THAT NOBODY, NOBODY GOES TO THEIR OFFICE.

YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE OFFICE SOMEWHERE FOR PEOPLE IN WARMUP, VOTER REGISTRATION.

UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST,

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I MEAN, I HEARD THE JUDGE MENTIONED BAR AND MONEY.

WELL, I'M NO, I'M NOT READY TO BORROW MONEY YET TO DO WHAT WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO ON BOND AND NOT BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO IT AND ACTUALLY DO IT.

I'D RATHER THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY.

THE ONE THING THAT I WILL MENTION JUST TO KEEP IN MIND.

UM, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE SPENDING, UH, TIMELINE FOR THE AR MONEY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, STILL A FEW YEARS OUT, UM, YOUR LEASE AT NORTH HOUSTON, WHICH IS YOUR IT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND MARSHALL.

SO THAT'S THROUGH JUNE OF 2020 FOR YOUR SOUTH CAMPUS LEASE BACK, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE STAFF WILL GO TO YOUR EXPANSION, BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS A HUGE SPACE.

SO I THINK HAVING A PLAN FOR AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF EVERYONE NEEDING TO MOVE, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN MAKE SPACE IN COURTHOUSE, ET CETERA, BUT HAVING A PLAN FOR ELECTIONS IN MARCH IS GOING TO BE PRETTY NEW.

YOU KNOW, I I'M WAITING.

WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ELECTIONS, UM, WE CAN DECIDE IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT IS FIT TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED NOW WITH THE ABILITY TO EXPAND.

I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BELLA ELECTION, THE BILLING, BUT I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT EITHER TEARING THIS DOWN.

I'M TRYING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE, BILL, ANOTHER BUILDING AND BUILD THIS BUILDING.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, BY JANUARY TIME YOU GET ALL THE BIDS IN INSTEAD OF 18 MINUTES, 24 MILLION OR 26 MILLION SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EVEN COMPUTE WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE SURE DON'T WANT TO DO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ALL THE, YOU CAN CHOOSE THE, YOU CAN CHOOSE ONE OF THESE OPTIONS AND PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU KNOW, OR YOU FEEL SURE THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.

AND THEN, UH, WELL, I FELT LIKE YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH THE FUNDING FOR THE, FOR THE OTHER ONES, THEN THEY DON'T GET DONE.

I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT COUNTING THE MONEY THAT WE ACTUALLY SOLD VILLAINS, BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE ABOUT LET ME AND THEY ARE MONEY OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YES.

AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LOOKING AT IS HOW WE CAN SPEND THAT LIB MEANING AR MONEY, UM, BECAUSE THE SALE OF THE BILLINGS WASN'T BOND MONEY, IT'S THIS ACTUAL MONEY FOR THE COUNTY.

UM, IT DOESN'T HURT ONE WAY.

THE OTHER WAY WE HAVE IT, ARE WE ALLOCATED OFF AT THIS POINT ON TRYING TO GUESS IF WE CAN OUT BE THE INFLATION OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'LL BE A RECESSION BY MARCH NEXT YEAR AND ACTUALLY GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THIS.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE, SO WHY AND WHY JEOPARDIZE WHAT WE HAVE.

LET'S JUST TAKE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH AR MONEY AND USE IT THAT WAY.

UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU PICK $11 MILLION AND YOU WANT TO PICK UP OBJECT, GOT IT HERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE ARENA, YOU GOT THE ELECTION CENTER, YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, EVEN LINKS IN THE CENTER.

COULD WE NOT DO THAT MORE ECONOMICALLY? OH, I'M SURE THERE'S CUTS.

THAT CAN BE MADE MAJOR ALL OF THIS.

I MEAN, MEAN IT IS JUST THE WAREHOUSE.

ONE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE, UM, CAUSE I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AWARD ANY BEDS IF YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE COURTHOUSE, UM, TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE, TO ALLOW FOR THE MOST DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU COULD WITHIN THE BUILDING.

UM, YOU COULD BID THAT.

WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO OUR CUTS DOWN ON THE ELECTION'S FACILITY.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, SEE WHERE YOU'RE AT.

I MEAN, IT JUST, THERE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO.

UM, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S ALTERNATIVES ON NUMBER ONE.

I KNOW ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE USE ON THE JUSTICE IMPETUS IS COMBINING WITH THE PETS THAT ADOPTION CENTER, WHICH WAS BIDDING ALL TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT COULD BE ONE OPTION, JUST BIDDING ALL THESE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AS A ONE AS A ONE TIME.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HAVING THE ALTERNATE WITHIN THAT PACKAGE, UM, EVEN

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SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE WHOLE MONEY RIGHT AWAY, BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS READY FOR WHEN THE, WHEN YOU HAD THE FUNDS AT A LATER TIME.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER, NO, WHAT I MEAN, I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS.

I MEAN, COMMON MECHANICS, PRETTY BIG.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE WAREHOUSE IN THIS COUNTY THAT'S EMPTY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY FAN AND EITHER LEASE OR BUY FOR SALE UP AND DOWN 1 75.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M JUST SAYING THAT I BELIEVE THERE'S MORE PRACTICAL AND BIBLE OPTIONS.

AND WE HAVE SITTING HERE ON THE TABLE AT THIS MOMENT.

ONE THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT Y'ALL LOOK AT IS WHEN YOU OPTION THREE, SEE THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT ONE STANDS OUT I THINK IS BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT, THE CONCERNS WITH THE TAX OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPACE IN THE COURTHOUSE.

I THINK THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT GOING AHEAD AND MOVING MORE OFFICES INTO THE COURTHOUSE RATHER THAN HAVING ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE.

BECAUSE IF WHAT YOU LOOK AT THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION IS GOING TO COST YOU 7 MILLION, WHETHER YOU HAVE THREE DEPARTMENTS IN THERE OR ALL 17, AND BECAUSE MAINLY IT'S THE HPAC SYSTEMS, ALL OF THAT.

AND SO IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF ELIMINATE THE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU PUT INTO A NEW ANNEX BUILDING? DO YOU NECESSARILY NEED 13,000 EXTRA SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, AND JUST REALLY MAKE IT MAYBE A DRIVE-THRU, YOU KNOW, TAX BUILDING, IF THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR CUSTOMER BASE THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GOING OVER TO THE COURTHOUSE.

I JUST, THERE WAS QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ABOUT THE ANNEX BUILDING ITSELF, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS UNUSED IN THE COURTHOUSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, UH, DOING A NEW, NEW, NEXT BUILDING HERE IN THE PARKING LOT.

UM, THE INDIGENT HEALTH AND VETERAN SERVICES, UH, WE, WE NEEDED TO MAKE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON IN THE AREA, THE AREA THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE IT ON THE ANNEX HERE, THE SX SYSTEM BUILDING AND BUILDING A BRAND NEW ONE.

NOW, IF WE GO WITH THAT ROUTE, MAYBE THIS WE START CONSIDERING, OKAY, DO WE DO THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? OR DO WE STILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE SOMETHING AT THE, UH, LIBRARY EXPANSION OR WHAT THE FARM FOR THOSE, THOSE TWO COMPONENTS THAT WILL REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE NEW BUILDING? SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH THE FULL BLOWN, BUT HERE TO JUST HAVE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, WE WERE USING THE SAME KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WELL, I MEAN THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ALSO KNOW IN, SINCE WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT AS A GROUP FOR ONCE, UM, WHICH MAKES IT KINDA NICE, EVEN IF WENT DOWN TO THE, TO THE, UH, NINE ONE, ONE CALL CENTER AND MELT THE WAREHOUSE.

EVEN IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU ESTABLISHED A COUPLE MORE DEPARTMENTS IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY COULD BE THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, AND, AND DO THAT, THEN YOU WOULD TAKE A LITTLE WARM ROOM AND SHOVING INTO THERE TOO, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE GO TO, YOU KNOW, FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE, WHATEVER.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.

UM, AND EVEN, I KNOW THE SHERIFF EVEN TALKED ABOUT, HE WAS KIND OF RUNNING OUT OF SPACE IN THE CALL CENTER.

EVEN IF YOU ADDED SPACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR EVEN CARE FLAT OFFICES OR WHATEVER, MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE WRONG THING AND THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE WHOLE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, UM, AND CUTTING DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE ARE OCCUPIED RATHER THAN WORDS WOULD BE JUST OCCUPIED THE CENTER OUT HERE AND OCCUPIED AT THE CALL CENTER AND THE OCCUPIED IT AT A JUSTICE CENTER.

HE ONLY HAVE THREE LOCATIONS YOU'RE KIND OF GOING TO, BESIDES THE VETERANS WALL, OF COURSE, IN THE LIBRARY, THEY'RE GOING TO ALWAYS STAY WHERE THEY ARE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH FOR THEM.

I LOOK AT ADDING OFFICE SPACE WHERE, UM, ELECTIONS IS FOR POSSIBLY VETERANS SERVICES, INDIGENT HEALTH, THOSE ONE-ON-ONE DEPARTMENTS WHERE, AND THIS IS JUST A MOUSE TO A WHOLE PLAN.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE A PLAN.

I KNOW THAT THE PLAN CAME, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER IDEAS IN THE ROOM THAT PEOPLE THINK, YOU KNOW, I HEARD SOME THIS MORNING AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT A HOTEL AND THIS LOCATION AND BRINGING PEOPLE TO

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THE CENTER OF TOWN, I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A BAD OPTION WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S HELPED PUT THE OKAY WITH THE REMAINING DEPARTMENTS GOING INTO THE COURTHOUSE.

WASN'T THAT WHAT OPTION TWO ESSENTIALLY DID IS OPTION TWO, MOVED EVERYBODY INTO THE COURTHOUSE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO'S COSTS, IF, IF WE, IF WE FIND AN ALTERNATIVE TO, UH, THE THREE, ALMOST $4 MILLION FOR THE ELECTIONS FACILITY WHERE WE'RE SORT OF BACK IN THE BALLPARK OF THE $12 MILLION.

CAUSE YOU TAKE OUT THE 3.5 FOR THE LIBRARY EXPANSION.

UM, AND YOU WOULD ACTUALLY, THERE WOULD BE A DIVEST COSTS THAT WOULD GO BACK INTO THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THIS BUILDING.

SO IT WOULD BE THAT NUMBER LISTS THREE APPLETS EIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO COME BACK AND A FEW THINGS.

I MEAN, YOU'RE MISSING THING THAT THAT EVER MAY TALKED ABOUT.

AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF TIMES ABOUT THE SHOWGROUNDS AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OVER HERE.

I DON'T MY, MY EX AND YOU KNOW, INTO THE SHOW GROUND, I GET THIS, BUT WE'RE MISSING, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE YET ON, ON A GREAT IDEA, UH, THIS, UH, JUST, UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED A LOT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S COSTING US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH AND EXTRA TIME, IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING, IF WE DO THE WRONG THING, UM, THEN WE'D DONE THE WRONG THING.

IF, IF WE'VE USED, IF WE USE OUR AR MONEY CORRECTLY AND DO SOME COURTHOUSE OR WHATEVER, I MEAN THE COURTHOUSE AND THE SUB COURTHOUSES OR WHATEVER, THEN WE'VE USED OUR AR MONEY.

WE HAVE THE EXISTING MONEY, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN WITH IT.

BUT IF WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO.

AND IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE KEN TALKS ABOUT IS A THREE-STORY COURTHOUSE, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR MONEY.

THAT WAY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND IF ROCKWELL CAN BUILD A BRAND NEW BUILDING WHERE THEY ARE MONEY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAME.

WHY COULDN'T WE USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD THE ELECTIONS OFFICE AND DO THE OFFICES THAT WE NEED TO DO THERE.

EVEN IF WE ELECTIONS OFFICE IS QUALIFIED FOR ARPA MONEY.

UH, YOU KNOW, TH THE THING THOUGH IS THAT, UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH, WE HAVE SIX OPTIONS HERE.

YOU COULD PROBABLY EASILY COME UP WITH 50, INCLUDING BUYING A, AN OLD WAREHOUSE BUILDING ON 1 75 AND BUILDING THE THREE-STAR.

I MEAN, THIS JUST COULD GO ON FOREVER.

I AGREE.

AND WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO KNOW IN THREE MONTHS? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT MORE INFORMATION ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? I MEAN, HOK HAS DONE THE ARCHITECTURAL MASTER PLAN WORK COMING UP WITH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE IS THESE OPTIONS.

AND I GUESS IT'S, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE PERFECT ANSWER.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THE PERFECT ANSWER.

AND THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO WISH WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

WE KNOW WE'LL NEVER HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

THE MONEY'S NOT THERE.

I MEAN, THIS WAS MY PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT THAT I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AND MY WIFE WANTED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, NOTHING SQUARE FOOTAGE TO MY HOUSE.

I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE TO CUT IT BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO.

BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING ALL THIS IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH, IS IT CORRECTLY? WE ONLY ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT 11 MILLION TO WORK WITH.

NO, YOU DO HAVE THE 12 AND A HALF.

SO THE 11 MILLION COMES INTO, WE HAVE ALREADY EXPENDED FUNDS IN EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO IF YOU GO WITH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, IT ACTUALLY IS COMING OUT OF THAT ORIGINAL BUDGET.

SO IT'S NOT MANY, YOU WON'T GET BACK IF IT GOES INTO COURTHOUSE OR ANNEX, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ON THE ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL SIDE.

WELL, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE AND SEE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT X AMOUNT TO WORK WITH.

AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THESE ARE GOING TO COST BASED ON TODAY'S NUMBERS.

BIDS ARE, UH, FOR BLACKWELL WORK, SOMEWHAT RIDICULOUS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'D BE SIX MONTHS OUT.

IF WE MADE A DECISION TODAY, GOD KNOWS WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE.

THEN ARE THESE TODAY'S NUMBERS? ARE THEY PROJECTED OUTLOOK? WELL, AT THIS TIME, TODAY'S NUMBERS, WOULD WE, SOME ESCALATION, HOWEVER, WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONIES THAT WE'RE GETTING ON, SOME OF THESE

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YOU BUILT IN SOME, SO YOU BUILT IN SOME, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THESE NUMBERS YOU DIDN'T BUILD IN ENOUGH OR WHATEVER.

ALSO AT 20% SOFT COSTS LIKE FOR FFNE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE'VE AUTOMATICALLY GONE IN AND BEEN ABLE TO CUT THOSE WE'LL KEEP EXISTING FURNITURE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, SO THESE, THESE NUMBERS DO HAVE THE SOFT COST PERCENTAGE IN THEM, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.

WE USED TO ALL, ALL, A LOT OF THE NUMBERS THAT W W THE, THAT WE USE IN THE EXPANSION EXPANSION WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, MORE OF A SURPRISE COMPARED TO THE JUSTICE CENTER.

SO IT GIVES US A, YOU KNOW, WAKE UP CALL, HEY, THINGS ARE GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE AND THE DELAYS AND ALL THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE SURPRISES.

AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THIS MONEY, RIGHT? I MEAN, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

IF WE LOOK AT OPTION TWO, WHICH THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED TODAY IS 15 MILLION.

AND WE DELAY THE EOC PORTION, THE ELECTIONS FACILITY PORTION THAT CUTS YOUR COST BY ALMOST 4 MILLION.

IS THAT WHAT THAT NUMBER SAYS? WELL, YOU WOULD DELAY THE LIBRARY EXPANSION.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THE ELECTIONS.

YOU COULD TAKE OUT THE THREE AND A HALF.

THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED A, WE NEED A PLACE FOR THE LEXUS TO GO, BECAUSE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WE'RE PAYING, THEY NEED A $4 MILLION PLACE FOR ELECTION.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

THAT'S MY POINT IS IF WE DELAY, IF WE RECONSIDER ELECTIONS AND YOU ELIMINATE 4 MILLION FROM THIS 15 MILLION, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE BACK DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE MAYBE ESSENTIALLY IN THE BLACK AND WHITE, WE DO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MIKE'S POINT IS RIGHT.

THAT, UH, NOBODY GOES INTO A BIG PROJECT AND HAVING ZERO CONTINGENCY, BUT WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT, WE DO HAVE FUN BALANCES.

CONTINGENCE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF TALKING JUST FROM MY PERSONAL FINANCES, WHICH DOES NOT COMPARE TO COUNTY AND TAX DOLLARS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT YOU KNOW, IT LOOKING AT IT THROUGH MY EYES, WE'VE COMMITTED UP THROUGH THE KSL SUBSTATION.

WE PRETTY MUCH COMMITTED UP TO THE KSL SUBSTATION, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING TO USE, OR GET SOME MONEY SOMEWHERE TO FINISH PAYING FOR THAT.

IF YOU CAN'T GET THE COST DOWN AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT FROM ANYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS, DOES IT SOUND REAL GOOD? LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE, I JUST, I JUST THINK I WOULD JUST, I WOULD FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS ME LOOKING AT MY STUFF IS THAT WE SEE WHERE WE COME OUT OF ALL OF THIS AND WE'VE ALREADY OBLIGATED.

AND THEN WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO OPERATE WITH.

THAT'S JUST MY TWO BEDS.

I JUST THINK SOME, UH, WHEN'S THE SUBSTATION GOING TO BE COMPLETE.

SO WE JUST GOT BIDS BACK LAST WEEK.

UH, CONTRACTS COULD BE LET WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, I THINK THEY'RE PROJECTING A MAY OR JUNE OPENING.

WELL, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DARTED OUT THERE IS THAT THAT'S NOT US.

THE PEOPLE WE'RE NOT MOVING DARK, SOMEBODY'S MOVING TOWARD, OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE SCHOOL.

THE SCHOOL IS MOVING SOME STUFF AROUND.

EVERYBODY KEEPS ASKING ME THAT.

AND I SAID, NO, WE HAVEN'T.

YEAH, NO, THEY THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ROADWAY.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR CARS.

AND THAT'S TRULY WHAT THE MONEY WAS GEARED FOR TO SPUR THOSE KINDS OF THE SALES TAX, BRINGING PEOPLE IN TOURISM, EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE.

NOTHING ON NOTHING ON OUR PROPERTY, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT WE'VE SOLD OUR ASSETS.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MILLION LEFT THERE.

AND AS WE STAND WITH TWO MEETINGS IN THE HOME, SO IF WE MAKE THIS WORK, THEN WE EXPENDED ALL THE MONEY THAT WE BROUGHT IN SELLING STUFF AND OUR BOND MEMBERS.

YES, SIR.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS LEFT.

SO BASICALLY ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IRA MONEY.

AND THE SKI KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT.

I'M VERY PARTIAL OF TRYING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT FOR THE PUBLIC.

I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR MONEY WAS REALLY, THE INTENT WAS TO DO SOMETHING, TO SPUR THE ECONOMY, TO KEEP THINGS, GOING TO FIRE THINGS UP.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A SPECIAL DEAL OUT THERE WITH THE SHOW GROUNDS AND THE ARENA JUST EXPO DEAL THAT REALLY NO DISCREDITED, BUT Y'ALL, AREN'T LIKE CAL PEOPLE DOING YOUR ARCHITECTURE, BUT THEY FOUND SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS.

AND THEY COME UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS.

AND IT'S NOT ONLY JUST FOR SHOWING ANIMALS IS WHAT'S THIS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE GRADUATIONS, YOU'D HAVE SHOWS FUNDRAISING EVENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE.

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SO I, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE NEEDS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE ALSO HAVE BUILDINGS ALREADY AND WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THESE PLACES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME THAT THEY ARE MONEY SPENT FOR REALLY, AND TRULY WHAT THE INTENT OF IT WAS AT FAR.

AND THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY FOR KIDS, FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN, BUT FOR THE COUNTY, I'M HERE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST, I REALLY DON'T WANT THAT LEFT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE DOWN TO ON, MONEY'S GONE AND NOW WE'RE SPENDING AR MONEY FOR BUILDINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY PROMISED.

THE PEOPLE WE'D DO IT FOR, WITH BOND MONEY.

SO I MAKE, UM, JUST THE NEXT STEP SUGGESTION.

WHAT IF WE WORKED ON FINALIZING A COURTHOUSE, RENOVATION, DESIGN, AND FIRST THINGS FIRST AT THE EXPO IN THE ARENA IS GOING TO BE UTILITIES INSIGHT.

AND GEO-TECH, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PRIEFERT IS SAYING.

UM, AND SO THAT COULD BE, CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN DEFINITELY GET STARTED ON BOTH SIDES.

WE COULD LOOK AT POSSIBILITIES FOR ELECTIONS, WHETHER IT BE WAREHOUSE SPACE, LEASE SPACE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED.

UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A GOOD BUDGET.

AND WE COULD GO IN AND ASK FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FROM PREFERRED AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE BUILT FIRST AND REALLY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FUNDING.

CAUSE I MEAN, WHAT WE DID IS WE, IT WAS BALLPARK TO GET TO GET THE BUDGET STARTED, BUT WE DO KNOW JUST BASED ON THE SITE DATA OUT THERE THERE'S UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.

UM, SO BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY WITH EVERYONE, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, HAVING THE COURTHOUSE REDONE, THE COURTHOUSE WILL HOUSE, THE PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE IN LEASED SPACES ALSO.

UM, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS FOR ELECTIONS.

I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

LOOK, I SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR, UH, A NEW SHOW BARN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE ITERATION MIGHT BE.

BUT THE FIRST COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE THAT COURTHOUSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR BOND DOCUMENTARY WITH THAT PART OF IT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ECONOMY IS WHAT IT IS COSTS GO UP AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT, BUT TO ME THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT, THAT WAS ALMOST A LEGAL COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE IS THAT WE'RE TO RENOVATE THAT COURTHOUSE.

AND I THINK THAT HOWEVER WE PAY FOR IT, I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE THE FIRST COMMITMENT THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CONSIDERS AS THE PRIORITY, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD PEOPLE WE WERE BORROWING MONEY FOR.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING RAELYNN IS A WEEK AWAY AND GET STARTED ON GETTING SOLID NUMBERS ON THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION.

UH, I THINK COURTHOUSE, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD DECIDE, UM, WHAT DEPARTMENTS Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH GOING INTO THAT BUILDING AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THE PLANS.

ALL IT WAS ALL DEPARTMENTS AND THE, TO KEEP IN MIND IS ALSO THE TIMELINE.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN TIME.

THE FACT THAT THE JUSTICE CENTER IS BEING COMPLETE, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE VACATING THE COURTHOUSE, UH, WHY WOULD WE START MOVING PEOPLE IN THERE WITHOUT RENOVATION? UM, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO SHUFFLE PEOPLE AROUND.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S STILL KIND OF WITHIN THE TIMELINE OF THE PLANNING WHERE THE DOMINO EFFECT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE TO THE JUSTICE CENTER, SO WE HAVE A VACANT BUILDING TO GET INTO.

SO, I MEAN, JUST, JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE HAS SAID, RIGHT.

AND WHATEVER STAYS OVER THERE, YOU COULD PROBABLY MOVE FROM ONE FLOOR TO THE NEXT.

MAYBE A CHARACTER, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE COURTHOUSE GOING TO BE THE JUDGE ONCE THE JUDGE FROM ONE FLOOR TO THE OTHER.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

VERY HAPPY.

COUNTY EMPLOYEES PARK THERE AND STAY FROM THE TIME THEY GET THERE UNTIL THEY LEAVE THAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT'S HARMFUL BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR GO IN AND OUT OF THE, THE, UH, THEY WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE.

CAN I ASK CARRIE A QUESTION ON, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS MOVING EVERYBODY INTO THE COURTHOUSE.

WHAT BE HONEST.

I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW HIS FEELINGS ABOUT IF WE HAVE EVERYBODY MOVING IN THE COURTHOUSE AND THE ISSUE WITH PARKING AROUND THE COURTHOUSE IS THAT GOING TO PRESENT MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR Y'ALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CUSTOMER AND PATRON PARKING, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS WHEN

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WELL, BUT THAT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THEY'RE QUICK, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE GOES IN, IN THE MORNING AND GETS THAT VISOR UP AND THEY'RE THERE ALL DAY, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARKING LOTS, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE ORDINANCE, THEY USED TO HAVE TWO HOUR PARKING PARKING.

THEY QUIT DOING IT, QUIT ENFORCING THEM AGAIN, BUT IT COULD BE POLICY.

IF YOU CAN'T WAIT, YOU NEED TO LEARN.

SO WE HAVE PUT A FAKE COMPANY POLICY TO PARK.

I THINK WE'VE ASKED OUR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE BACK PARKING LOT AT HIM.

HEY, WAIT, WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO DO THAT.

WE KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANY THAT PROBABLY DOING IT THAT I KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.

SO I GUESS I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE EXTENUATING THINGS THAT ARE REPERCUSSIONS OF WHAT WE DECIDE AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE BUILT A NEW BUILDING STILL EVERYBODY'S THERE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, IN-HOUSE PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH TOO.

NOW WE'LL SAY THIS MOSTLY ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE GONE RIGHT FROM THE COURTHOUSE.

THE OFFICE IS GONE WHEN JURORS ARE NOT THERE, WHENEVER ATTORNEYS ARE NOT THERE, WHENEVER TRIALS ARE NOT THERE OR YOUR DRUG COURT IS NOT THERE.

ALL OF THAT, WE DO FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMEBODY A WHOLE LOT.

IT IS, IT IS GOING TO BE LESS LOAD THAN YOU RSP.

OH, SHERIFF'S CARS WILL BE PARKED ON THE WHOLE BACKSIDE.

CAN YOU JUST TELL ME, LIKE THEY OWN THE PLACE? YOU KNOW, ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COUNTY, OF COURSE THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN THE, UM, IF A JUROR SUMMONS COME IN, WHENEVER THEY GO IN THE MAIL, WE'VE EVEN ASKED IF THEY COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE CORNER THAT SAYS THERE IS THERE, PLEASE USE THE PARKING LOT.

IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS WAY, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S A MOOT POINT NOW BECAUSE THEIR BIKES MAVEN, BUT WE DO THINK IT'LL, IT'LL HELP WHATEVER THE COURT'S NAME.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS TO, TO PROPERLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU TALKING? YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY CHAIRS AND OFFICES YOU'RE PUTTING IN, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT VAPING INTO THE OPPOSITE? WELL, THE RESTAURANT'S BETTER HOPE.

THERE'S A FEW ANYWAY.

RIGHT? THE RESTAURANTS BETTER HOPE THAT THERE'S A FEW LEFT IN THERE.

I MEAN, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING TO HURT, IT WOULD BE THE STAFF EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HOUSE YOUR FACILITY, PLUS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FIRE MARSHALL, WHICH IS IN THE LEASED BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN A FEW OTHER OFFICE SPACES.

SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE, SO IT REALLY WON'T BE MUCH DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, YOU PARK AND SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, YEAH, IT'S AN EXTRA 30 CONSTANT.

AND EVERY TIME WE ADD ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, I THINK EVERY TIME WE ADDED A NEW DEPARTMENT, I SAID, GUESS WHAT? THEY'LL PROBABLY END UP OVER THERE.

ONE, BECAUSE ONE COULD SAY THAT YOUR LOAD IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO, AGAIN, IT'S AN 80 YEAR OLD BUILDING AND INVESTING EVEN ADDITIONAL FLOORS INTO IT.

UM, PROBABLY, UM, I'M SUSPECTING.

THEY WILL BE LESS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE JURIES, THE CORDS, UM, ALL THAT.

SO, AND BA AND KIND OF COLORS, ALL STUFF IS GOING TO BE ON THE JUSTICE CENTER.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF LOAD IT'S GOING TO BE OUT, BUT YEAH, WE BRING A NEW DEPARTMENT, SO, BUT IT'S KIND OF SAFE TO SAY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE WAY YOU HAVE.

AND THEN COURTHOUSE, LET'S SAY IT DOES NOT GET KNOCKED DOWN.

AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE TO GO WITH THE BONES OF THAT ONE.

IT WAS CONSTRUCTED FOR MORE LEVELS ORIGINALLY.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE GREATER FOR, YEAH.

I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT IT WAS JUST INSTRUCT, I MEAN, CONSTRUCTED FOR THREE LEVELS.

AND EVERYBODY USED TO SAY THERE WAS PLANS FOR IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW, LAURA MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

UH, BUT I I'VE HEARD THAT OVER THE YEARS.

AND, AND, UH, I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THAT'S THE TRUTH OR NOT.

I MEAN, WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEE THE ENGINEERING ON IT.

AND IT, IT BE SAID THAT THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION.

THEN THE BEAMS AND THE RIGHT STEEL WAS PUT IN FOR ADDITIONAL FLOOR.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE HIM DOWN.

WE'LL DO SUPPORT AT THE SHUTTLE FLOORS NOW TO GO TO THE EXPANSE.

I MEAN, IT'S STILL TRYING TO REUSE.

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YOU WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A STRUCTURALLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY THE BEST FOR THE OTHER PROS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING AS FAR AS INTERSTITIAL SPACE FOR, UH, THE HOARD THAT THEY NEED FOR, TO REALLY PERFORM THE WAY IT SHOULD.

IT MAY NOT BE THERE THERE'S WAYS TO SOLVE THEM.

UM, SO, UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE RE THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE HERE.

IT'S JUST REMODELING WHAT YOU CAN SUSTAIN USING AND ADDING THE FLOOR MAT COSTS OF BUILDING THEM BUILDING.

THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE A GENERAL EDITION.

YOU, YOU BETTER BE TALKING MORE ABOUT TEAR DOWN, BUILD UP, BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT MAD AT THAT.

IT WAS SONG WITH THIS, IF WE CAN.

AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT WE CONTINUE WHILE WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE KSL SUBSTATION.

AND SINCE THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION KEN'S EX IS HE'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE DIDN'T COMMIT TO THE TAXPAYERS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THE COURTHOUSE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COURTHOUSE.

IT'S JUST ON EVERY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS.

AND THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I CAN GET THE COURT TO GO WITH THIS, TO COMMIT SOME MONEY FOR THE SHOWGROUND AREAS, SINCE THAT MONEY WAS REALLY GOOD FOR PUBLIC, FOR TOURISM AND THEN SALES TAX AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND, UH, THAT WE PRETTY MUCH ATE IT FOR MONEY.

JUST COMMITTING TO THAT WITH PRICES WITHOUT VERY MUCH BUFFER WHATSOEVER.

ARE YOU COMING AT 12 MILLION? YEAH.

WELL, THE REDOING THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION RIGHT NOW THAT THE GUESS IS 7 MILLION.

UM, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WASTE THE 12 MILLION OUT OF THE 11:00 AM? WELL IT'S 7 MILLION IS WHAT THE COURTHOUSE WAS.

WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RING NOW? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT COMMIT SOME OF THE MONEY TO THE ARENA.

NOW, JUST GO AHEAD.

COURTHOUSE RENOVATION IS WHEN EVERY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS WE PROMISED THE PUBLIC.

NO, I AGREE.

SO WE'VE GOT THE MONEY THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND FROM THE COURT THAT WE SPENT SOME OF THAT I, OUR MONEY.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIST OF.

AND SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO YOU THAT'S OPTION TWO, THAT'S THE OPTION TWO FLOOR PLAN THAT WE, THAT YOU GUYS PRESENTED AND THE EXPO THAT THE ARENA THAT DOES AT LEAST ON THIS CHECKBOX TO SHOW THAT THAT'S RPA ELIGIBLE OR BOND ELIGIBLE? NO, IT IS R BECAUSE THE TOURISM I WAS JUST SHOWING, UM, THEY EXPRESSLY WROTE THAT ARPA FUNDS FOR EXACTLY WHAT'S OUT THERE.

WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME AND GET THE, AT LEAST GET THE SOLID NUMBERS ON THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION, AND THEN SEE WHAT'S LEFT.

THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

SO ALSO TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION, WOULD YOU LIKE, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS, LOOK AT AVAILABILITY FOR WAREHOUSE SPACE? CAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT ELECTIONS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

I NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THE RENT IS SO HIGH THAT WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP EXPANDING THAT WHEN EVERYBODY STARTS PERMANENT HOME OF SOME ABSOLUTE PERMANENCE, YOU KNOW, POSITION FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.

SO YOU HAD TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE ELECTIONS AS PART OF THAT OPTION, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION ON ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.

SO W WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS SOLID NUMBERS ON THE COURTHOUSE, FIND OUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AS FAR AS ELECTIONS GO, AND THEN CALIBRATE WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS MONEY GOES, OKAY.

WE STILL OWN THIS BUILDING THE WAY WE MADE IT OR WHATEVER WE NEEDED TO DO, WE CAN STILL DO IT WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

EVEN IF IT CAME DOWN TO PUSH, CAME TO SHOVE, WE CAN PUT FAMILY HERE, THE COURTHOUSE THERE'S 800,000 OR A MILLION THAT COMES OUT OF HERE.

THAT'S MONEY TO GO TOWARDS THE SHOW BARN, THE NEXT PHASE OF THE SHOW BARN.

YEP.

TAKE THE REST OF IT AND PUT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE LOSING OUT, IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS, IT'S NOT FREE MONEY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS JUST, YEAH, SURE.

AND I JUST LOOK, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT DOWN THERE, BUT I KNOW SURE AS THE WORLD THAT IF WE LET THIS MONEY GO, THERE'S FREE MONEY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE SHOW GROUNDS.

THAT'S JUST FACT, I JUST DON'T SEE US GOING IN AND COMING IN WHENEVER WE'RE STRAPPED FOR MONEY TO TAKE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, IF WE DON'T USE SOME OF THIS FREE MONEY TO UPGRADE THE UTILITIES, THAT'S WHY HE SAID,

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YEAH, WE ARE.

BUT BELIEVE ME.

BUT I JUST DON'T WANT THAT CHANCE HERE THIS WINDOW TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE THERE.

SO THE FLOOR PLAN FROM OPTION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH COURTHOUSE, HARD PRESSES AND I'LL BRING BACK OPTIONS FOR ELECTIONS.

WE'RE BRINGING BACK THE COSTS AND THE OPTIONS.

WE'RE NOT SAYING START BUILDING.

NO, NO, NO.

BUT TO GET TO THAT REALLY CLEAR TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET BID NUMBERS, THE COMMITMENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE KSL SUBSTATION.

SOUNDS GOOD.

YEAH, BECAUSE WE MADE THEM KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING BECAUSE I'M IN, MIGHT EAT UP ALL OF HER MONEY FOR Y'ALL.

WHICH IS DISCUSSING CONSIDER AWARD OF CONTRACT TO TEXAS BID FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO SILVER CREEK DRIVE IN THE AMOUNT OF 760,009 12 USING A RFB 2126.

SO, SO I GUESS THERE'S, UH, IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION ON 13, I THINK RAYLAND HAS HER ORDERS UNDERSTANDING THAT THEN WE'LL PASS THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO 14,

[14. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider award of contract to TexasBit for road improvements to Silver Creek Dr; in the amount of $760,912.27; utilizing RFB 21 26.]

SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE COUNTY ROAD BOND.

IT'S A COUNTY ROAD BOND PROJECT.

UH, WE DID GET QUOTES FOR THIS.

AND SO IT WOULD FALL UNDER FUNDING FROM PRECINCT FOUR COUNTY ROAD FUNDS.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO AWARD THAT CONTRACT AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO WHERE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER CASES ARE.

SECOND, SECOND, SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES BACK TO RAYLAND ITEM 15,

[15. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider award of contract to TexasBit for road improvements to Shady Lane; in the amount of $871,218.19; utilizing RFB 21-26.]

DISCUSS CONSIDER AWARD OF CONTRACT, TEXAS BIT FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO SHADY LANE IN THE AMOUNT OF $871,218 RFB 21, 26, SAME SONG, DIFFERENT VERSE.

THIS IS ALSO PROJECT APPROVED DURING COUNTY ROAD BOND.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING WILL BE QUESTIONS, JUDGE.

I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS ITEM FOR THE MOMENT.

SO, UH, WITH THE WAY WE WOULD PASS THAT IS IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 15, DON'T HAVE TO PAY, BUT BECAUSE THAT AUTOMATICALLY I SHOULD COME BACK.

SO WE'LL JUST PASS IT.

DEBRA BONNER DISCUSS, CONSIDER RENEWING KAUFMAN COUNTY TAX BEVO POLICY.

UH, SO IF I DON'T HEAR EMOTIONAL 15, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 16

[16. Deborah Bonner; Discuss/Consider renewing the Kaufman County Tax Abatement Policy.]

SO ACCORDING TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, YOUR TAX ABATEMENT POLICY CAN ONLY BE VALID FOR TWO YEARS.

YOURS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR TWO YEARS AND IT'S TIME TO RENEW IT.

SO I HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF DRAFTING THAT UP THE SAME AS YOUR CURRENT POLICY, I'VE MADE NO CHANGES, BUT YOU ARE.

UM, IF YOU WANT TO RENEW IT, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT QUESTIONS FOR DEB.

IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT RENEWAL OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY TAX ABATEMENT POLICY? ALL MY CAMERAS, WE HAD A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER IN CASE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES THE MONIQUE LEAVE OVER.

SHE IS THE ONLY CONOR DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER

[17. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider motion to approve the start date of June 28, 2022, for Justin Sweetnam; employment dependent upon obtaining an official driving record from out of state within 30 days of employment.]

A MOTION TO APPROVE THE START DATE OF JUNE 28TH, 2022 FOR JUSTIN SWEETNAM EMPLOYMENT, DEPENDING UPON OBTAINING AN OFFICIAL DRIVING RECORD FROM OUT OF STATE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF EMPLOYMENT.

SO CURRENTLY, UM, OUR HR IS UNABLE TO OBTAIN DRIVING RECORDS FOR ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND, UH, HIRED SOMEBODY FROM CALIFORNIA.

SO, UM, HE DID SEND AN UNOFFICIAL COPY.

UM, AND THEN HE WENT DOWN TO THE DMV AND GOT A HARD COPY.

SO HE WILL BE BRINGING THAT WITH HIM FROM CALIFORNIA.

SO, BUT FOR THE PROCESS SAKE, IT NEEDS PERMISSION FROM THE COURT FOR ME TO DO A PAYROLL CHANGE FORM AND GET HIM ONTO THE PAYROLL, UH, CONTINGENT ON HIS DRIVING RECORD BEING, HE HAS A HARD COPY AND HE DID SEND AN OFFICIAL COPY, BUT IT'S KINDA BLURRY WITH THE SEAL ON IT.

CAUSE HE HAD TO TAKE IT WITH HIS PHONE SINCE HIS COMPUTERS PACKED.

SO, OKAY.

WE HAVE BOTH A SORT OF COPY AND A HARD COPY IN HAND COMING.

SO WHAT'S HE GOING TO BE DOING GIS? OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ACTION BY MONIQUE? SO MOVE HAVE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONED CASES ARE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.