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GOT TO CALL THE MEAN OR THE FIRST[1. To Discuss the Fiscal Year 2022-2023 Budget.]
SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING, THE COFFIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURTS CALLED TO ORDER.IT'S A ONE 30 ON, UH, WHAT IS THE TUESDAY, UH, ON TUESDAY, THE 19TH.
AND, UH, SO, UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, KAREN, YOU SAID YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO US? YES.
IN FRONT OF YOU, I'LL PUT TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS AND I WANT HIM TO EXPLAIN THOSE DOCUMENTS TO YOU.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE ONE THAT I WENT OVER YESTERDAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE REVENUES AND THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE GENERAL FUND ROAD AND BRIDGE, AND A FEW OF THE OTHERS THAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE END DEPTH, I CAN PRINT YOU OUT ALL THOSE REPORTS IF YOU NEED TO BE, BUT IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS YOUR BREAKDOWN FROM 20 20, 20, 21 AND 2022.
IN REGARDS TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT EACH PRECINCT GOT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE REVENUES, THEN MAY PLAN WITH YOUR RIGHTS.
I DID THE OTHER TWO FOR 2023, WHICH THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE CORRECT TILL WE GET IT CHANGED.
AND I REALIZED THAT, UM, SORRY, MY PHONE WAS GOING OFF.
SORRY THAT, UM, UNTIL Y'ALL TELL ME HOW TO BREAK THAT DOWN.
AND I KNOW WITH THE REDISTRICTING, PROBABLY YOUR ROAD MILES HAVE CHANGED AND I HAVE A FORMULA THAT I CAN INPUT AND IT'LL TELL ME WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT I SHOULD BE PUTTING FOR EACH PRECINCT.
SO Y'ALL NEED TO INSTRUCT ME HOW YOU WANT THAT DONE OR TELL THE JUDGE.
THEN THE JUDGE WILL LET ME KNOW.
LET'S GO BY OUR MOST RECENT ROAD REPORTS.
I'VE DONE NEW ONE WITH THE NEW ROADS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, WE HAVE THEM ALL ON, I THINK.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE MINE.
SO WHEN WE GET THOSE, WE GET, I GUESS, AT LEAST TELL US WHAT OUR ROADMAP MILES ARE, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF THE FORMULA.
IT'S BASICALLY PART OF THE FARMER.
AND THEN THE TOP ROADS THAT YOU HAVE.
CAUSE I MEAN, CONCRETE, ASPHALT AND CHIP SEAL AND OTHER, ALTHOUGH WE'RE TRANSITIONING WITH A LOT OF BASKETBALL ROADS NOW WE'RE SAYING HERE DID A BUNCH OF CONCRETE STREETS, SO WHICH IS, UM, A GIFT FROM THE HEAVENS.
SO WHAT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS OTHER SHEET THAT YOU HAD HERE.
IT WAS THE, WE TALKED TO YESTERDAY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT, IT RATHER THAN COMPARING, UH, THE 2022 BUDGET TO THE INCREASE OR DECREASE OR THE SAME FOR THE 2023 BUDGET, WE SHOULD BE, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER COMPARING WHAT IS THE CHANGE FROM ACTUAL PROJECTED EXPENDITURES.
AND, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE NOT TODAY, BUT NICK TOMORROW, WE'LL, MAYBE WE CAN PUT THOSE IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS, UM, AND JUST SEE HOW MUCH WE MIGHT SEE HOW MUCH WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND ASK THEM TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR COMPARED TO WHAT THEY BUDGETED.
SO THEY MIGHT FIND SOME IN MATCH, SPAWN SOME PLACES IN THEIR BUDGET WHERE THEY CAN MAKE REDUCTIONS.
UM, SO TH UH, W WE GOT THREE DEPARTMENTS HERE THAT HAVE COME TO ME WITH IDEAS FOR ACTUALLY LOWERING COSTS.
UH, AND IT'S THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER ON SOMETHING.
AND, UH, AS IS THAT A AMBER ALERT LOSS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SILVER ALERTS.
SO, UH, SO W WE'LL WE NEED TO HEAR FROM MONIQUE AND PAUL, I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, OR PAUL, YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT.
I WAS AFRAID WHEN I HEARD THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE YOU TO A FIRE.
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ALL RIGHT.SO, UM, THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT I JUST HANDED OUT IS KIND OF WHAT I'M PROPOSING.
UM, I WANTED TO START OUT WITH, UH, THE FACT THAT TAKING A LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, UM, THERE IS A BIG CHANGE IN THAT THE BIGGEST CHANGE FOR, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO TAKE COSTS AWAY FROM GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AND MOVING IT TO THE FIRE CODE FUND.
SO MAKING US MORE OF A, UH, SELF-SUFFICIENT DEPARTMENT, UH, RUNNING OFF THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING OFF OF INSPECTIONS, PERMITS, AND, UM, PLAN REVIEWS.
UH, SO DOING THAT, IT'S NOT A TYPO WHERE IT SAYS ZERO, UH, OUT OF GENERAL FUND FOR OPERATING EXPENSES.
UM, WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE ASSUMING THOSE COSTS UNDER THE FIRE CODE FUND.
UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT'S $119,000.
IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND.
UM, ONE THING WE WERE LOOKING AT AS WELL, AS FAR AS SAVINGS IS COMBINING, UH, INSPECTOR ONE IN ANIMAL TRANSPORT OFFICER POSITIONS.
SO OUR OFFICE HAS A NEED TO DO A ANNUAL INSPECTIONS AND SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, SO WE REALLY NEED TO BE GETTING OUT INTO OUR SCHOOLS, INTO OUR BUSINESSES AND MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE FIRE HAZARDS THAT ARE PRESENT, BUT BEFORE YOU GOING FURTHER THAN THAT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ANIMAL TRANSPORT, I, I WENT, I LOOKED AT, UH, I, I PUT THIS DOWN, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND, UH, DOGS THAT THEY'VE HANDLED.
YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS KIND OF GOT SKEWED AFTER COVID AND THEN I HAVE THE NUMBERS UP TO DATE.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE AVERAGE, THE SHERIFF'S, DEPARTMENT'S AVERAGING 89 DOGS A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, THAT THING YOU SHARE.
AND, UH, SO WHAT THE SHERIFF AND I TALKED ABOUT, AND THIS KIND OF, WHAT PAUL'S TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT IF WE COULD, IF HE COULD USE THOSE DEPUTIES, INSTEAD OF, UH, HAVING THEM TAKING TIME OUT FROM, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DUTIES AND TAKING THE DOGS TO THE ADOPTION CENTER, MAN, THAT THAT WOULD GIVE HIM MORE.
SO THAT'S, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR, RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE AVERAGING RIGHT NOW.
SO WAIT, SO, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS WORKS OUT SO WELL FOR US IS THAT, UH, ANNUAL INSPECTIONS ARE NOT SCHEDULED INSPECTIONS.
THESE ARE GOING UP INTO BUSINESSES OR TO THE SCHOOLS AND, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT IT AS IT IS.
UM, THAT MEANS THAT IF THERE IS AN ANIMAL RELATED CALL, THEY CAN BREAK AWAY FROM THOSE INSPECTIONS, TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMAL RELATED CALL AND THEN RETURN TO THOSE INSPECTIONS ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED UP.
SO ONE OF THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR ONE OF THESE INSPECTORS, UH, SO WE WOULD ONLY BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S AN INSPECTOR ONE, UM, IT'S A $300 COURSE.
THEY CAN FINISH IT IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRAINED FOR DOING ANY PLAY INTERVIEW.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING JUST FOR BASIC FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS.
UH, THEY WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, PROJECTS.
UH, IT'S JUST GOING OUT AND DOING ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, WHICH WE, WE APPARENTLY DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING WE'VE BEEN DOING RIGHT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF LIABILITY FOR US.
UM, NOT HAVING BEEN CONDUCTING THOSE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
UH, SO THIS WILL HELP US, UM, TRY TO RECOVER FROM THAT.
UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 400 PROPERTIES THAT WE CONSIDER INSPECTABLE PROPERTIES IN OUR SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THAT'S ALL OF THEM.
SO, UH, IF WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE, UH, DOING ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, CONSIDERING WE HAVE 260 WORKING DAYS A YEAR, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY GOOD WORKLOAD FOR THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM BUSY WITH ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, UH, AS WELL AS THE ANIMAL RELATED CALLS, I WOULD THINK WE'D HAVE A LOT MORE THAN 400 LITERS, I BELIEVE WE DO.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, CORRECT.
AND, AND THE MASKING SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT ABOUT THAT? DIDN'T WE DO A SERVICE LAST YEAR, JUST STARTED DOING SOME OF THESE INSPECTION.
UH, SO IT DOES NOT COVER ANNUAL INSPECTIONS THAT WOULD ONLY COVER PLAN, REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
UH, SO THE, THE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS THAT FALLS BACK ON OUR DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE, UH, IT HAS TO BE THE AUTHORITY, HAVING JURISDICTION DOING THOSE INSPECTIONS.
UM, I MEAN, I THOUGHT I MISSED SOMETHING LAST YEAR.
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THOUGHT WE MEANT THAT TOO, OR THAT WHERE YEAH.AND THEN THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE WIND IN THE SPEC THAT WAS JUST FOR PLAN REVIEW.
AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT CEOS LIKE EVERY BUSINESS, A NEWLY HAND-IN-HAND, UH, HANGS UP THEIR CEO'S ON THE WALL, AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TO GO ANNUALLY AND INSPECT THEM.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT FOR A FEW YEARS.
THE CEO'S DON'T HAVE EXPIRATION DATES TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
REVIEW VERITAS IS DOING THE PLAN REVIEW.
REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND I COULD SWEAR THAT IT WAS LIKE A, UM, IT WAS A COMPANY THAT WOULD DOCUMENT, BUT YES, COMPLIANCE, THEY WOULD DOCUMENT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND NOTIFY THAT THEY NEEDED TO USING THOSE.
AND SO, YEAH, BUT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL HAD ME CONFUSED FOR A MINUTE.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME I REMEMBERED, I SAID, WELL, IT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, AND HE SEEMED TO BE, WAS GOING, THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND THEY'D RED BLANKET AND HE COULD FOLLOW UP ON JUST THE RED FLAGS.
WELL, I THOUGHT THE WAY HE WAS TALKING TO THE WRONG, THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX INTO IT, WHEN THEY WENT IN AND INSPECTED.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY, WELL, THAT WAS EXCLUSIVELY FOR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, UH, RESTAURANT LIKE THE EXHAUST FANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN RESTAURANTS.
AND IT WASN'T FOR LIKE, BUT I'M SURE THAT WHENEVER, I MEAN, IF THEY WASN'T CONTRACTED OUT AND THEY WERE DOING IT THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD DO A TWO FOR ONE.
SO WE ACTUALLY, HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, MOST OF THE REPORTS THAT WE'RE GETTING ARE ACTUALLY FROM CITY OF KAUFFMAN OR ONE OF THE CITIES AROUND HERE.
UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T, HASN'T BEEN AS GOOD AS I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS.
ARE WE SOLD? WE'RE NOT, IT'S A FREE SERVICE.
CAUSE THEY WERE BILLING THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THOSE FACTS, CORRECT.
WHOEVER WAS DOING THE INSPECTION WAS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THEM SO WE CAN STILL LEAVE THAT IMPLEMENTED.
IT DOES HELP US WITH NOTIFICATION.
IF THERE IS A BUSINESS THAT ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE, THEY'LL LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, THE, THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED THE PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE AND FOLLOW UP ON IT AND MAKE SURE IT GETS CORRECTED.
WELL, IT'S BASED ON, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I HAVE JUST THE OTHER DAY, ANY, ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR MODIFICATION TO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING REALLY REQUIRES ANOTHER INSPECTION ACTIVITY BY THE FARMERS IS ANOTHER CO CORRECT.
SO, UH, IF THE BILLING IS STILL BEING USED FOR THE SAME PURPOSES, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS, BUT IF THEY ARE CHANGING THE USE OF THE BUILDING, THEN WE HAVE TO COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, FIRE, ALARM, FIREWALLS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UH, IS INSTALLED BEFORE THAT'S EVEN AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT SAY MOVED OR AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT MOVES TO A LARGER FACILITY OR A DIFFERENT FACILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD EASILY, UH, YOU KNOW, FALL IN THAT PURVIEW OR YOU'D NEED TO GO OUT AND DO THAT INSPECTION.
UH, THE SHERIFF MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS, TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THESE TWO POSITIONS WHO WOULD BE INSPECTORS AND THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANIMAL, NOT STRAY ANIMALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS STILL BOUND TO TAKE CARE OF LARGE ANIMALS LIKE LIVESTOCK ON THE ROAD.
AND UH, AND THEN IF THERE WAS A, LIKE AN ANIMAL BITE, UH, OR RABIES THAT STILL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BUT, UM, BUT I'LL, BUT I KNOW, AND I THINK THE SHERIFF HAD A GREAT, ALL, A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO IS, IS TRANSPORTING ANIMALS TO THE SHELTER.
I'M TRYING TO GET THEM FAR AS CALL PARK.
THAT'S ANIMAL PICKED UP, BUT WHEN I GET STRAIGHT ANIMALS, ALL THE STUFF THEY HAVE TO DO FOR US GOT TO SIT AND TRY OUT TO DO ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT CALL VOLUME CAN BE A LOT HARDER.
WELL, AND IT'S GOTTA BE, I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA TAKE THEM, THEY GET A CALL TO GO FIND IT TO PICK UP A STRIKE.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THEM TWO HOURS.
LOOKING AT THIS AND THE CALL VOLUME WE GOT AND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN TWO HOURS OF MINIMUM, IF YOU LOOKED AT SAY 90 ANIMALS, UH, IF IT WAS JUST TWO HOURS THAT LOAN A MAN HOURS OF MAN YEARS, 2080 HOURS, THAT'S AT LEAST ONE FULL POSITION RIGHT THERE.
AND THERE'S THE 90 STRAIGHT PICKUPS.
IT MAGNIFIED BY WHATEVER SETTING TRAPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE MIGHT BE NOT EVEN GET THE ANIMAL.
AND LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING THAT IS THERE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CITIES I KNOW
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LIKE CITY OF MORNING AND ALL OF THEM, THEY WON'T EVEN COME OUT LESS THAN HE'S EITHER CONTAINED IN YOUR BACKYARD OR ARE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, CAUSE THE TIME YOU GET THERE AT THE TIME THEY'RE GONE, I MEAN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO.I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND EVERYBODY ALWAYS GRABS IT AND SAYS, WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME OUT, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT IT IN CAGE WILL COME OUT OR YOU GOT LOCKED UP IN THE BACKYARD.
DID WE HAVE SOME KIND OF NECESSARILY RULE ON THIS KIND OF THING? YEAH, NO KIDDING.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING HERE? I GOT LOST AT THROUGH BEGINNING.
SO WE'RE TURNING TO TRY TO TAKE FIRE INSPECTORS AND MAKE THEM ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, YOUR ANIMAL CONTROL.
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOURS? I STILL GOT ONE.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MARTIN? OVER TO LIKE THEM NOT BEING LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THEY GOT THEM FROM DRONE INSPECTION AND THEN I KEEP THE TWO DEPUTIES AND PUT THEM ON THE STREET.
WHY CAN'T YOU HAVE CIVILIAN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT? I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING ONE OR THE OTHER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME A FEDERAL INSPECTOR AND IT'S JUST NOT THAT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE IF YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
YOU'RE GOING TO EAT UP ALL YOUR TIME CHASING DOGS.
AND I JUST, I'M SORRY, I JUST CAN'T GO FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE BEING THE ANIMAL PATROL.
IT'S WELL, I KNOW YOU'VE TAKEN THOSE FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GOING WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX IN MY BOOK.
SO, WELL, I'M STILL BACK TO THE THING WHERE WE USE REGULAR DEPUTY TO PICK UP DOGS, I GUESS.
WELL THE DIFFERENCE IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WAGES IS A LOT.
UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO ANIMAL TRANSPORT, JUST A CIVILIAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR POPULATION IS THIS BIG.
AND NOWADAYS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOUR POPULATION'S ABOUT THAT BIG.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, JANUARY 1ST, WHEN WE TALKED TO YOU LAST YEAR, WE GOT $865.
SO, BUT WE'RE USING YOUR, YOU GOT YOU.
YOU'VE HAD, YOU'VE HAD TWO DEDICATED GOSH FOR THAT, RIGHT.
SO I THINK IF, I THINK IF THE FIRE MARSHALL THINKS THAT THAT FITS INTO WHAT HE'S DOING, IF I GO ON, LET HIM TRY IT.
THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS AFTER THE SHERIFF AND I TALKED, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO MAKE THAT A CODE ENFORCEMENT POSITION AND, UM, IN DEVELOPMENT, CERTAIN MONIQUE'S DEPARTMENT.
CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE KIND OF BECOME THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, BUT THEY, BUT, BUT, UH, MONIQUE AND PAUL CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA THAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD AT LEAST TRY TO COMBINE THOSE TWO FUNCTIONS AND, AND SAY, YEAH, THE ORIGINAL ATTEMPT WAS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF COST SAVINGS.
AND UH, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE DOWNTIME FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, UH, THERE, I GUESS THERE IS THE ON-CALL COMPONENT AS WELL.
UM, SO HAVING AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE DEDICATED TO THAT MEANS THEY CAN ROTATE OFF DUTY SHIFTS YEAH.
AND DIFFICULT TO, IS IT GOING TO BE TO TALK ON A FARM? OKAY.
INSPECTOR INTO BEING A DO-GOODER SAME QUESTION.
AND SO, I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY FARMING.
SO THEY'RE IN THE FIRE SERVICE INSPECTION.
UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH TCFB THROUGH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON FIRE PROTECTION.
DID YOU SAY IT'S A, IT'S A TWO WEEK CLASS? UM, WE CAN GET THEM THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY FIREFIGHTER.
THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONDING TO FIRES THAT HAVE A BACKGROUND IN FIRE.
SO YOU'RE ASKING ME A HARD SPOT TO FEEL WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF FIRE SCENES WHERE WE DO HAVE ANIMALS INVOLVED.
SO I MEAN, TALKING TO SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE YOU GET UP ON A SCENE AND NOW WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE ANIMALS THAT ARE INSIDE THE BUILDING? UM, SO THAT DEFINITELY PLAYS A PART AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY IF THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT.
NOW LAST YEAR WAS 13, 15, AND ALL THE AVERAGE 15 FELT AND TWO HOURS AWAY, TWO HOURS A WEEK AVERAGE.
NOT ALL CALLS END UP BEING, UH, UH, DON TRANSPORT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO CALL SIR.
BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OR YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE TIME
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TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, WE DON'T A LOT OF THESE CALLS ROLL OVER TO THE DEPUTY ON DUTY INSTEAD OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL GUY.CAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T KEEP UP WITH HIM.
I MEAN, YOUR DEPUTIES ENDED UP TAKING THOSE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS THE FACT THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN IDEAL, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IDEAL WORK FOR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CIVILIAN POSITION MYSELF LIKE CITIES HAVE NO.
I MEAN, YOU GOT A BIGGER POPULATION TO DRAW FROM AND IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE.
JUST HIRE CIVILIANS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I PICKED BOSE, IT JUST SIT IN HIS GARDEN RADIO FOR HELP AT THAT POINT THEN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRUTH BE KNOWN IS THAT 90 SOMETHING PERCENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT BE ARE PRETTY ACTUAL SAFE CALLS FOR ANYBODY TO GO PICK THEM UP.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOT A HOOP IN THEM, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO GIVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? AT LEAST TWO MORE GUYS.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH DOWNTIME THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE BETWEEN ANIMAL RELATED CALLS AND WHAT ARE THEIR DUTIES BETWEEN THAT? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE WE'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF IT'S ANIMAL CRUELTY, THEY TRY TO PICK THAT UP.
OR THEY'VE GOT A CASE I GOT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE RABIES.
WE ALSO HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LARGE ANIMALS FOR BIG CATS AND INSPECTION, HOLD ON LAB.
OR I HOPE MY CAR BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND HE'LL TELL YOU, HE'S FRUSTRATED WHEN SOME THINGS HE HAD CONTINUED TO DO, LIKE THE BIG CATS I HAVE ONE INSPECTION, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE ISSUE.
THE REASON WE HAVE THE PEDAL ENFORCEMENT DONE IT FROM THE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY DEPUTIES ON THE STREET.
WHO'S GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND THERE'S A COUGH SURFACE EMERGENCY.
WE WANTED SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO REPLY, NOT SOMEBODY TO RESPOND BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY BIG ENOUGH THAT WE WANT TO GO.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE EMPLOYEE POOL IS TRYING TO VOTE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL AND IT'LL BE BIGGER.
IT'LL BE BIGGER THAN THE POOL FOR DEPUTIES.
I NEED TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING AROUND.
SO ARE WE SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, POLICY, I FEEL JUST OPPOSITE.
I JUST FELT LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO BE A GOOD GUY AND I TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT IT'S JUST NOT, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK YOU NEED, IF YOU START GETTING OUT OF CONTROL BUSINESS.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEY TREAT, WE TRANSFER THEM TO YOU.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE NO WEED HERE.
WE TRANSFORM INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
OH, YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND HIRE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES IN THE OFFICE AND BE DONE WITH IT.
YOU'VE GOT THE EXPERTISE OVER THERE.
THEY'RE WITH THEM EVERY DAY, INTERACTING WITH THEM.
UM, WE COULD GO WITH THE PLAN AND DRIVE AND FIGURE IT OUT.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN PARTLY TRAINED IN IT AND THEN MOVE THEM IN OR NOT LOAD THEM INTO IT, BUT PUT PEOPLE IN THERE AND JUST START TRAINING AND FIGURE IT OUT.
IF THOSE GUYS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT MEANS SOMEBODY, YOU GOTTA BE AVAILABLE TO SUPERVISE THEM.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S TRYING TO GET SOME FOR TRYING TO GET A CIVILIAN KIND OF A JOB OUT OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OBLIGATIONS.
I'M AGREEING, I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IN, IN FORNEY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY JUST LIVE THERE, BUT ALL THEIR GUYS ARE CIVILIANS.
WELL I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T, I DON'T RUN AROUND AND ABOUT GUN CONTROL, THE OTHER FARM MARSHALS, THEY, THEY HIRED CHIEF IN DALLAS.
THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST ANIMAL CONTROL.
I MEAN IT'S FAR MARSHALED INSPECTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S 50% OF THE JOB IF AT LEAST 50% OF THE JOB.
SO IT'S NOT JUST DOG CATCHING IN THE, IN THE, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY OVERLOAD THOSE GUYS.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY I THINK THE DOWNSIDE TO TRYING IT NOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HIM, THIS IS HIS CUP.
TAKE IT, YOU KNOW? WELL THAT MEANS HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING TO ME.
SO I THINK I I'M, I'M LETTING HIM DRIVE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CIVILIAN JOB.
I MEAN, UM, SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND SHERIFF AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS ALSO WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SORT OF UPPING OUR GAME IN CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH
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OUR, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE'RE DOING A LOT IN, IN SEPTIC AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO PUT SOME PRESSURE ON PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT COMPLYING AND ENVIRONMENTAL.SO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE IDEA THAT, THAT YOU WERE PROPOSING.
AND AGAIN, THIS I'M SORRY, LET ME ENTER AGAIN.
THIS WOULD TAKE TWO, THIS WOULD TAKE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL DEPUTIES OUT OF THE SHERIFFS HERE AND LET THEM JUST DO DEPUTY WORK AND TRASH AND DEBRIS.
AND THAT KIND OF STUFF WOULD GO TO, TO CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.
RIGHT? THE, I GUESS THE, THE HISTORY BEHIND IT IS TO GIVE SHERIFF MORE DEPUTIES AND WHAT CAN BE DONE OUTSIDE OF HIS OFFICE.
AND SINCE MY GUYS DO ENVIRONMENTAL SEPTIC, IF THEY NEEDED TO, WE COULD DO TWO ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS THAT WOULD HANDLE ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL TRASH TIRES, ANYTHING DEALT WITH HEALTH AND SAFETY.
MY GUYS ALREADY DO IT FOR THE SEPTIC PORTION.
UM, AND IN FACT, UM, THEY HAVE TO GET CALLED OUT IF THERE'S A SEPTIC BECAUSE THEY OWN THE DR.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS, IF YOU NEEDED TO, WE COULD PUT TWO MORE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS, CIVILIAN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS THAT ARE JUST DRS.
AND THEY RUN THE FOUR PRECINCTS HANDLE, THE DEBRIS HANDLE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND GIVING BACK AS OFFICERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THEY DO, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.
I KNOW I'M IN AN IRIS, YOU KNOW? OH YEAH.
I MEAN DAVID'S IN OUR OFFICE ALL THE TIME.
THESE GUYS TALK TO THEM ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION.
WHEN WE FIRST HAD THEM SWORN IN UNDER THE COURT, WE ANTICIPATED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS.
UM, UM, WE STAYED ON OUR SIDE AND JUST DID SEPTIC.
SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, I CAN, WE CAN DO IT ACCORDING TO THEIR STATUTORY AUTHORITY FROM TCEQ, THEY CAN DO A 3 41, A 1 21, THE WATER CODE UNDER THEIR DR.
LICENSE AND UNDER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND IF THEY HAVE TO, THEY CAN DO A 3 43.
IT GIVES THEM THE STATUTORY RIGHTS.
UH, UH, NORMALLY AT 3 43 IS A, IS A CODE THAT WOULD BE USED FOR BY PEACE OFFICERS.
BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR DVR LICENSES SWORN AND UNDER THE HEALTH AUTHORITY, THEY CAN WRITE A 3 43.
SO CAN YOU TRANSPORT TRANSPORT DOLLARS?
I'LL TELL YOU THAT WHAT'S THE SALARY RANGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE DEPUTY.
SO IT'S 40 TO 45 DEPENDING OR 42 TO 45.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT I PUT IN THERE AND MY PLAN WAS THEY HAD TO OBTAIN THEIR VR LICENSE WITH THE, THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY CAN DO, THEY, ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR VR, THEN THEY HAVE THE SAME LICENSING THESE GUYS DO.
SO IT DOES GIVE YOU ALSO SUPPLEMENTAL HELP FOR JERRY AND CORRECT WHEN YOU LANE, IF YOU NEEDED TO PUT MORE DEBT, YOU KNOW, THEIR DEPUTIES BACK THEN, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
AND I, UM, I WAS JUST GOING TO TURN, THAT'S BRILLIANT.
OH, I GOT ONE FOR LAUREL BACK THERE.
SO ANYWAY, IT WAS, UM, THE WAY WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN, IT COMES OUT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN A PEACE OFFICER, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THESE OFFICERS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO WE CAME UP WITH, UM, THIS, UH, PAYSCALE, UM, ANY, THEY WOULD COME IN IT, ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST ONE, AND ONCE THEY OBTAIN THEIR DVR, THEY WOULD THEN THEY WOULD, UM, BE ABLE TO MIGRATE TO THE 45, BUT ONLY A BUDGET TIME.
NO CHANGES IN SALARY, BASED OFF YOUR CERTIFICATIONS HAPPENED BEFORE BUDGET.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO STAY IN THAT SALARY RANGE UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
WHAT ARE THE CHANGES? ARE YOU WOULD, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT WE WOULD HIRE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY CERTIFIED? WELL, NEIL IN A HAYSTACK, IT COULD BE THE, THE LAWYER IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE LICENSE IS $565 FOR THE CLASS.
UM, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONTRACTED, THEY'RE WORKING CONTRACT FOR CITIES OR COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES, THEY CONTRACTED OUT.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY AND NO ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ONE THROUGH THE CLASS.
I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT GET LUCKY AND CORRECT.
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JERRY WAYNE SAID, DON'T DO IT.JERRY WILL SHOW UP VIRTUAL VIRTUAL SEPTIC TANK INSPECTION, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY COMING ANYWAY.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELEPORT THESE PEOPLE ONE OF THE DAYS.
SO ONE OF THESE DAYS WILL JUST BE ME UP SCOTTY TO THE LOCATION AND WE'LL BE NO GAS OR FUEL.
SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN IT WAS TALKED ABOUT ON HOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THESE COULD BE DONE BY CIVILIANS, THAT'S WHEN, UM, CAUSE PAULA AND I WERE ALREADY WORKING ON HOW WE'RE MOVING THIS DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHEN THE DOG TRANSPORT THING CAME UP.
AND SO PAUL WAS LIKE, WELL, I COULD DO IT UNDER THE, IF I DID A BASIC FIRE INSPECTOR, MOST PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND WANT AN ENTRY LEVEL.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY INTO A FIRE JOB.
THEY COULD MIGRATE TO WHAT WAS THE NEXT LEVEL OF YOUR PLAN AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CAREER PROGRESSION, BASICALLY STRANGER ONE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE UP IN THE FIRE MARSHAL WORLD.
IT'S MAKING ME NERVOUS AND AGGRESSORS ARE COMING WITH, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES.
I HAVE A TWO O'CLOCK AND YOU KNOW, AND SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, SHERIFF CAN SPEAK TO IT.
THE GUYS PRETTY MUCH, THEY RUN CASES.
THEY DO ALL THE INVESTIGATION ON THE SEPTIC SIDE.
IT MIGHT NOT BE TOO HARD OF A TRANSITION.
AT LEAST I DON'T THINK TO DO THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL, TIRES, TRASH, YOU KNOW, AND OUR OF COURSE GOAL IS GOING TO BE TO GET IT ABATED BEFORE WE GET TO COURT.
AND SO BY DOING THIS, I CAN INTERCHANGE MY D D R THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THAT.
I HAVE FEWER INSPECTORS NOW, YOU KNOW, SO IT'LL, IT'LL IN THE END, THEY COULD ALL DO BOTH.
ALL OF THEM COULD DO ENVIRONMENTAL OR SEPTIC UNDER THAT.
WELL, I KNOW YOU GOTTA GO, BUT, UH, THAT'S UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
UH, IT IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT IN THE FACT THAT THE COOPERATIVE NATURE OF THAT IN THE THINKING OUT OF THE BOX THING IS, UH, IT'S PRETTY COOL.
AND IT'S CROSS DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE I MEAN, FROM THESE TWO PROPOSALS, IN ESSENCE, YOU FREE UP FOR SWORN OFFICER POSITIONS FOR THE SHERIFF TO DO WITH AS HE WILL.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT DOESN'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY.
I THINK Y'ALL JUST PUT CIVILIAN THE WHOLE CATCHERS WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE EXPERTISE IS.
AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE RABIES AND STEPHIE'S STATUTORILY SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE.
AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT ALL THAT FOR THE STRAIGHT LAWS AND RABIES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HOW MANY RABIES CALLS DO YOU HAVE? IT'S A BIG THING FOR LIKE,
THEN THEY HAVE TO SEND A BILL BACK AND THEY HAVE, I BET.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT PERCENTAGES OF YOUR 1800 CALLS OR WHATEVER 1%, 10%, 10% ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR SHELTER.
DON'T THEY HAVE A QUARANTINE SECTION AND ALL THAT IS THAT WHERE WE TAKE THEM, WE TAKE THEM THERE AND THEY DON'T, THEY DO ALL THE CORN THINGS, STUFF.
OH, THAT, OR THEY USE OUR LOCAL WADE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AND PLUS THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO QUARANTINE THE DOG AWAY FROM OTHER DOGS.
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT.
WE'LL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PAUL BEFORE HE LEAVES? WE SAW THEM OVER THERE.
THEY A JUST HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT SECURITY.
NOW I DO HAVE GOING TO SEE IF THEY WILL, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GOING TO ASK HIM FOR LATE QUESTIONS FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.
CAUSE I HAD A CALL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S THE, UH, BUT THAT'S MY CAVEATS.
AND IN THIS ANIMAL ISSUE IS THAT IT'S JUST A TRANSPORT POSITION.
IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO TAKE THE PLACE OF, OF THESE MORE SPECIFIC THINGS.
IT'S REALLY BECAUSE THOSE DO REQUIRE DIFFERENT LICENSES, THE TRANSPORT, UH, ON THE STREET, $26 BUCKS.
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SO 10%, SLIGHTLY LESS.YOU GOT ANYTHING, YOU GOT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS FOR US OR ANYTHING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AT TAKING THAT MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND USING A FIRE CODE FUND AND I'M OPTIMISTIC THE INSPECTIONS AND THE STUFF YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE GONNA Y'ALL WILL BECOME MORE SELF-FUNDING YEAH.
AND WE NEED TO BE DOING THIS STUFF, RIGHT? YEAH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CARE NEW YORK, NOT A PEACE OFFICER POSITIONS.
AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER POSITIONS ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT I'M PROPOSING? ONE THING I'M TRYING TO DO WITH THE INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION IS GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE 24 HOUR COVERAGE.
UM, AND 70% OF OUR CALLS RIGHT NOW ARE HAPPENING AFTER HOURS.
SO TRYING TO CUT BACK ON COMP TIME AND OVERTIME, UH, THOSE POSITIONS REALLY HELP WITH THAT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR ACTUAL ONBOARD STAFFING TODAY NOW? UH, ME AND ASHLEY AND, UH, WITH ALL THE FIRES WE HAVE COMING OUT, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY PUTTING THE DEVELOPERS AND, UH, CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY HAVE TO BE PUSHED OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING.
SO, UM, I, I MEAN, I'VE JUST, I, I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE FIGURED OUT THAT YOU CAN FUND A LOT OF YOU, YOU CAN DO THIS WITHOUT, UH, IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND IS A REALLY BIG DEAL.
IT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.
YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO STAY BACK THERE AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO.
I THINK WAYNE'S SLEEPING WITH HIS EYES OPEN TO EVEN ADULTS.
UH, OH, NOW THERE'S REGULARS SITTING OUT THERE AND RAYLAND HAS ANOTHER BUDGET SAVING CONCEPT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY'S BUDGET SAVING DATE.
SO, UM, FOR, I PASS OUT ANY OF MY ATTACHMENTS TO Y'ALL, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER A FEW NOTES THAT I HAVE.
UM, SO I KIND OF WANT YOU TO BEAR WITH ME WITH THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PIECES THAT HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET TO THE VERY END, YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS PROVIDING NOT ONLY ADDITIONAL SERVICES, BUT ALSO A REDUCTION IN THE BUDGET COSTS.
SO AFTER REVIEW OF THE PROCESSES THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SINCE JANUARY, SINCE WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THE FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, I'M COMING TO YOU, UH, IF THIS WAS TO STAY IN PLACE, UM, FOR ONE MORE SMALL STAFFING RESTRUCTURE, WHICH WE'LL ACTUALLY GO BACK TO SOME OF THE ORIGINAL JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT, THE MODEL THAT I'M PROPOSING REPRESENTS A STAFFING STRUCTURE AND BUDGET TO HELP WITH TIME MANAGEMENT FUNDING, ET CETERA, FOR EXISTING STAFF ONLY.
SO THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ADDITION TO STAFF WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE MAIN CHANGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE IN THE ORG CHART IS THAT I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THAT I'M GOING PROVIDE YOU IS A MOVE FROM A FOREMAN AND TWO TECHNICIANS TO THREE FOREMAN POSITIONS AND DIVIDING OUR PROPERTIES BETWEEN THOSE FOREMAN AND ALSO GIVING THEM SOME MANAGERIAL RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE JANITORIAL STAFF AT THOSE FACILITIES.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL ALLOW STAFF MEMBERS, A LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES, UM, AND ALSO ALLOW FOR MORE TIME FOR THEM TO PROVIDE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES TO THESE FACILITIES RATHER THAN BEING DIVIDED OUT AMONGST EVERY FACILITY IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THIS MODEL IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE JANITORIAL STAFF IN JANUARY, WHERE WE ASSIGNED CERTAIN STAFF TO FACILITIES AND REALLY GAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, AN OWNERSHIP OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THAT BUILDING.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THIS PROPOSED CHANGE WILL GIVE THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THOSE FACILITIES, A HANDS-ON CONTACT FOR WORK ORDERS, FACILITY NEEDS, AND ALSO ALLOW THE FOREMAN ASSIGNED TO THOSE FACILITIES.
UM, MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THE FACILITY SITE INSPECTIONS, THE JANITORIAL CHECKLISTS, THOSE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT TO Y'ALL IN JANUARY, UH, WHICH BASICALLY WE HAVE JUST HAD NO TIME FOR WHAT YOU GOT A FEW OF THOSE COMPLETED.
UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
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SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU WOULD HAVE A FOREMAN ASSIGNED TO A FEW FACILITIES, THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINING THEIR OWN SCHEDULES, THAT ANY TIME A MAJOR PROJECT OR SOMETHING CAME UP, THEY WOULD ALWAYS BE ABLE TO ASSIST EACH OTHER WITHIN, UM, OTHER AREAS.ONE CAVEAT IS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE FACILITY.
TECHNICIAN WOULD ALSO ADD SOME OF THE LAWN MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES TO YOUR SUB COURTHOUSES.
AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET PIECE, YOU'LL SEE WHERE I'M CUTTING BACK ON SOME OF OUR CURRENT CONTRACT EXPENSES FOR LAWN MAINTENANCE.
SO WE WOULD STILL NEED LAWN MAINTENANCE FOR OPEN AREAS, UM, VARIOUS AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BUT REALLY LETTING THOSE TECHNICIANS REALLY LETTING THE FOREMAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAWN MAINTENANCE ON THEIR ASSAN FACILITIES.
UM, I ACTUALLY STOLE THIS IDEA ORIGINALLY FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE SHE DIVIDES HER STAFF AND THAT'S PRECINCTS.
AND SO WHEN YOU SEE THE ORG CHART AND KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, JUST KIND OF KEEP IN MIND, IT GIVES THESE FORM IN A SMALLER DRIVING DISTANCE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY MANAGES THE FLEET WEAR AND TEAR AND WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE ESCALATING FUEL CHARGES.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOCK ANYONE WITH THE ORG CHART BEFORE.
I DIDN'T KNOW BRADY WAS SITTING THERE.
I KNOW, I KNOW SHE GETS REAL FEELINGS HURT.
SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT I DESCRIBED, WHICH WAS THE DIRECTOR AND THE THREE FOREMAN.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU ALSO IMMEDIATELY WERE ABLE TO GO TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ABM FACILITY MANAGEMENT CONTRACT AS WELL.
UM, MY REQUEST IS GOING TO BE TO MIRROR THIS SAME DESIGN BY ADDING A FACILITY MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR YOUR JUSTICE CENTER AND EVENTUALLY YOUR JUSTICE CENTER EXPANSION, THE SERVICES WITHIN THIS CONTRACT PROVIDE A FACILITY TECHNICIAN.
UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR THOSE NEW FACILITIES AND ALSO A JANITORIAL CONTRACT WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL COUNTY STAFF.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT WILL COME ONLINE DURING FISCAL YEAR 2023, UM, ABM IN JUST RESEARCHING DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT PRICING.
UM, THE NEXT PAGE KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OUT LINE OF EVERYTHING THAT THEIR CONTRACT INCLUDES, WHICH IS CERTIFIED ENGINEERS FOR BUILDING REPAIRS, ALL OF YOUR HPAC AND MECHANICAL CONTRACTS.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, FULL ACCESS TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS FOR MAJOR REPAIRS, WHICH MIGHT HAVE TO OCCUR WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS.
AND WE WOULD ALSO GET TO SWITCH OVER TO THEM FOR OUR JANITORIAL SUPPLIES, WHICH WHEN THEY GAVE ME A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY BUY, UM, IT'S A 22% DECREASE IN OUR JANITORIAL BUDGET OVERALL BASED ON THE PRICING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THROUGH THEIR CO-OP.
UM, SO MUCH LIKE THIS PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH ABM, I FEEL LIKE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND PROXIMITY TO THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, WHEN YOU ARE WANTING TO BE A SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD ALSO LOCATE THESE FOREMAN AT EACH OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO RATHER THAN A CENTER POINT OF CONTRACT, WHICH CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IS SOUTH CAMPUS.
UM, CHECK-IN WOULD BE WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHERE WE WILL MAINTAIN BILLING FACILITY REQUESTS, RECONCILIATIONS, AND REPORTS.
AND THIS IS NOT A PHYSICAL CHECK-IN.
THIS WOULD ALL BE MANAGED THROUGH SCANNING ONLINE REQUESTS, EMAILS, ET CETERA, AGAIN, TO KIND OF HELP CUT DOWN ON THE CONSTANT COMING AND GOING OF THE DEPARTMENT.
AND, UH, THE VEHICLES COULD BE STORED WITHIN THEIR ASSIGNED AREAS AT THE FACILITIES.
ONE OTHER NOTABLE REQUESTS TO THIS PLAN WOULD BE THAT THE DIRECTOR POSITION WOULD ALSO BE ASKED TO HANDLE THE WORK ORDER IN FACILITY REQUESTS FOR SOUTH CAMPUS IN THE SUB COURTHOUSE.
NUMBER FOUR, THESE FACILITIES WILL ULTIMATELY COME OFFLINE FISCAL YEAR 2023.
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SO THIS WOULD ONLY BE A TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT IN HOPEFULLY THOSE WORK ORDERS WOULD BE AT A MINIMUM, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE ABANDONING THESE BUILDINGS WITH THE CURRENT JANITORIAL STAFF THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THOSE FACILITIES.MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT THOSE STAFF MEMBERS STAY ON BOARD WITH THE COUNTY, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING THAT WE COULD, UM, DIVIDE AMONGST THE COUNTY FOR DEEP CLEANING AND ALSO FOR STAFF COVERAGE, RATHER THAN GOING OUT FOR JANITORIAL CONTRACTS OR THAT EXTRA HELP THAT WE HAVE TO COME TO YOU FOR WHENEVER WE HAVE SOMEONE OUT OR WE'RE NEEDING EXTRA SERVICES.
SO THE STAFF THAT, THAT NOW IS AT THE SOUTH CAMPUS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT JANITORIAL STAFF WOULD BE RELOCATED TO BE ASSIGNED TO OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND IT WOULD BE FOUR DIFFERENT SERVICES.
AND THAT WAY WE COULD START DOING CARPET SHAMPOOING, THAT WE COULD REALLY START REASSIGNING THAT STAFF.
AND THEN ALSO YOU WOULD HAVE EXTRA BODIES ON HAND, WHENEVER YOU DID HAVE STAFF MEMBERS OUT, WHETHER THEY CALLED IN SICK, WE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE THAT WE COULD ROTATE IN AND OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND, UM, WITH EXTRA HELP.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE WITH ALL OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND BRINGING ON THE TWO LARGER FACILITIES THIS FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST JUMP THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS FISCAL YEAR TAKING ON THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT JUSTICE CENTER.
AND THEN ALSO THE EXPANSION, EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST RENOVATIONS IN STAFFING KIND OF REMAINS THE SAME.
THIS IS THE YEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON HOW, HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE SERVICES.
SO THE SECOND PORTION IS THE BUDGET.
I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT ROSE BED.
SO THIS DIRECTOR POSITION, WOULD THAT BE BOBBY'S OKAY.
NOTHING, NOTHING CHANGES, CHANGES.
WHERE'S THE, I DON'T SAY THAT IT'S THREE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FOREMAN.
THE DIRECTOR, IS THAT YOUR BRANDS IN MINUS DIRECTOR? IT WAS JUST THAT'S THE DIRECTOR POSITION.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET WORKSHEETS THAT I'M GIVING YOU THE BUDGET HANDOUTS THAT I PUT TOGETHER, I'M SHOWING THE MONEY THAT WAS ACTUALLY SPENT GOING BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 20, 20 RATHER THAN, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED.
SO I BELIEVE HISTORICALLY, JUST FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, UM, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS THANKFULLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BEEN ABLE TO GIVE BACK SOME FUNDS.
UM, THEY DO NOT GO IN AND SPEND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR FUNDING.
HOWEVER, THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS HAVE NOT CHANGED YEAR AFTER YEAR.
UM, SO WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS PROVIDE A BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT BASED ON WHAT I ACTUALLY THINK THE EXPENSES WOULD BE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, ALSO HISTORICALLY YOUR MAJOR PROJECTS HAVE BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THAT REPAIRS TO COUNTING PROPERTY RATHER THAN BEING PLANNED AND FUNDED THROUGH CAPITAL OUTLAY.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THAT REPAIRS TO COUNTING PROPERTY LINE ITEM, BUT I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A DETAIL TO THAT ON PAGE TWO.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT LINE BY LINE, JUST SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT I WANT TO NOTE IS YOUR JANITORIAL SUPPLIES.
THAT AMOUNT DID CHANGE, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY.
I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD GO WITH A NEW VENDOR WITH THAT 22% SAVINGS, BUT ALSO IT DOES INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES FOR THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS THAT WOULD COME ONLINE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE DID AN INCREASE FOR THE GAS AND OIL, AND THEN, UM, THERE IS THE HIGHLIGHTED EXPENSE FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER, AS WELL AS THE JANITORIAL CONTRACT.
ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE JANITORIAL CONTRACT IS WITHIN YOUR PACKET, THAT DOES LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR DAY PORTER THAT IS EMPLOYED THROUGH THE CONTRACTOR.
YOU HAVE TWO JANITORIAL EMPLOYEES AND YOU ALSO HAVE A NOT CREW.
SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AT NIGHT TO DO THE DEEP CLEAN, UM, ALL OF THAT REMAINS ON SECURITY CAMERAS, ET CETERA, UM, MANAGED BY A KSL, BUT YOUR DAY PORTER ANSWERS TO YOUR FACILITY TECHNICIAN DURING THE DAY.
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ORDERS FOR THIS BUILDING, EVERYTHING WOULDN'T GO THROUGH THAT FACILITY TECHNICIAN ASSIGNED THROUGH THE CONTRACT.SO THOSE ARE THE, THE TWO COSTS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THE REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY, THAT 45 0 2 LINE ITEM WHERE YOU SEE THE BIGGEST DECREASE.
UM, ON PAGE TWO OF THAT PACKET, I KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND LISTED OUT THE CONTRACTS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.
HISTORICALLY, WE BUDGETED FOR THOSE CONTRACTS ABOUT 140,000, BUT GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT ACTUAL INVOICES, UM, THOSE CONTRACTS ARE ONLY WORTH ABOUT 72,000.
SO, UM, BASED ON THE BUDGET NUMBERS, I'VE ALLOTTED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL ELEVATOR MAINTENANCE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE JUSTICE CENTER, UM, AS WELL AS BACKFLOW INSPECTIONS, THE EXTRA GENERATORS, WHICH WILL ALSO BE AT THE JUSTICE CENTER.
THE ONE DEDUCTION THAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THE MANAGER PLUS SOFTWARE.
UM, ULTIMATELY THIS ITEM WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR NEW FINANCIAL SOFTWARE.
WE MOVE TO THAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND I'M ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING GOING VERY OLD SCHOOL, WHICH IS AN EMAIL SYSTEM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO NATHAN, COULD WE DO IT MAINTENANCE REQUESTS@KAUFMANCOUNTY.NET.
WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO LOG IN TO MANAGE YOUR PLUS OR MAKE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A MASSIVE SPREADSHEET, PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT Y'ALL KIND OF DO WITH YOUR ROAD REPORTS.
UM, SO AS THOSE REQUESTS COME IN, THE OFFICE MANAGER WOULD SHARE OUT THOSE WORK ORDER REQUESTS TO THE DIFFERENT TECHNICIANS AND ALL OF THAT WOULD STILL BE HANDLED AND MONITORED, BUT IT WOULD BE BY STAFF RATHER THAN MANAGER PLUS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE NEEDED TO STEAL THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT SOFTWARE ANYWAY.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO INCLUDED WITHIN THIS LINE ITEM, UM, JUST A BASE OF $5,000 EACH FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, UM, EQUIPMENT BARNES, KNOWING THAT IF YOU HAD A PROJECT COMING UP, THAT WE WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL FENCE TO THE CAPITAL OUTLAY LINE ITEM.
SO GOING BACK TO JUST THE REGULAR BUDGET WORKSHEET, UM, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN INCREASE FOR PMS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES YOUR JUSTICE CENTER.
I HAVE PUT SOME OF WHAT USED TO BE IN THAT REPAIRS OF COUNTY PROPERTY, MANY DOWN INTO YOUR SUB COURTHOUSE IMPROVEMENT LINE ITEMS. AND SO HERE, YOU'LL ALSO SEE WHERE I'VE BUDGETED $5,000 PER FACILITY.
AND THAT INCLUDES ALL FOUR OF YOUR SUB COURTHOUSES, AS WELL AS YOUR EOC JUVENILE PROBATION, SO THAT THAT'S ALL OUTSIDE FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, UM, THAT NOTE THAT 50,000 NUMBER COMES FROM THE OTHER BUDGETS REMAIN ABOUT THE SAME.
SOME, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MAJOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND SO NOT TOTAL BUDGET SAVINGS, BUT TOTAL EXPENSES.
AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT I'M PROPOSING OR ESTIMATING THAT WE WOULD SPEND FOR THE YEAR IS APPROXIMATELY WITH THE ADDED SERVICES WOULD BE, UM, APPROXIMATELY A $76,000 SAVINGS.
EVEN AFTER YOU ADD THE SERVICES.
UM, PAGE THREE OF YOUR HANDOUT IS BASICALLY CURRENT TITLE TO PROPOSE TITLE, UM, YOUR FOREMAN AND TECHNICIANS.
I ATTEMPTED TO BALANCE OUT THAT PAY BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE USING THE FOREMAN SALARY RANGE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE ALSO AN UPDATE TO THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION, WHICH WAS COMBINING TECHNICIAN INFORMANT.
AND THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THE DIRECTOR.
ONE REQUEST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
AND ONE THAT I HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE, THERE IS TALKS FOR COLA OR A FLAT RATE INCREASE.
AND WHEN REQUESTS THAT I WOULD MAKE, ESPECIALLY WHILE I'M SUGGESTING CHANGES WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT, IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE GOOD SALARIES BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE FROM OTHER COUNTIES IN.
SO ANY COLA OR FLAT RATE WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT I'M REQUESTING AS THEIR BASE PAY FOR THESE POSITIONS SO THAT THEY DON'T LOSE OUT ON THAT SALARY INCREASES ANYWAY.
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I THINK IT WENT INTO SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED SOME 77,000 SAVINGS AND EXPENSIVE SEEMS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WITH, WITH ADDITIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CAPABILITIES BUILT IN IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS.SO OBVIOUSLY HAVING A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE GREAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE NEW BUILDING, THE JUSTICE CENTER IN THE EXTENSION OR EXPANSION IS THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF STUFF IN IT THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AUTO FLUSH TOILETS AND IMPLEMENTING ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S THAT, UM, WHO WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S SPECIFICALLY TRAINED TO WORK ON THAT IN PARTICULARLY LIKE THE HVA SYSTEM AND ALL THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COMPLICATED, A LOT OF ELECTRONICS AND BUILDING A LOT OF ELECTRONICS.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE JUDICIAL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT EGGS, IF YOU WILL BE IN ONE BASKET NOW.
AND SO ANY, THE AIR CONDITIONING SORT OF GLITCH PUTS THE COUNTY IN THE, AT LEAST THAT PART OF THE COUNTY OUT OF BUSINESS.
SO BEING OUT AHEAD OF THAT CURVE IS MORE CRITICAL THAN EVER NO, RIGHT NOW IN THE COURTHOUSE THAT THE AIR CONDITIONER QUIT WORKING.
I MEAN, I GOT ROOFTOP UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DOWNSTAIRS, BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE DO SO WE CAN KIND OF LIMP ALONG.
IF THAT ONE QUITS, FOR ANY REASON, YOU KNOW, HE COMES, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LEAVE.
THERE'S NO OPENING WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, UM, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
ANYTHING CAN BREAK AND IT WILL, WHETHER IT'S NEW OR OLD, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
IT HAS A LITTLE LESS FINGER, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A BENEFIT TO, IN THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE WHERE PEOPLE, UH, TAKE SPECIFIC PRIDE IN WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THEM, WHETHER THEY MAINTAIN THEIR OWN VEHICLE OR THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN PARTICULAR FACILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO BEING A GENERALIST, YOU CAN REALLY, UH, TAKE AND, AND, UH, DISPLAY A SENSE OF PERSONALIZED INVESTMENT IN IT.
AND YOU GET TO KNOW THAT FACILITY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THEY GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
YOU GET TO KNOW YOU REALLY BECOME FOCUSED ON THE NEEDS OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
SO, WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING AND IT'S, AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL OUT OF THE FIRST YEAR, JUST SPLIT IT OFF.
AND IF A SNOTTY IS BACK TO ONE DEPARTMENT AND BE DONE WITH IT, SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO CORRECT OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, I REALLY WISH THAT, CAUSE I KNOW I ASKED YOU IN COURT POINT BLANK ABOUT WHEN WE DID A CONTRACT FOR PART-TIME SERVICES AND THERE WAS SOME EARLY DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMEONE DOING THE JUSTICE CENTER, AS FAR AS JANITORIAL SERVICES, UH, POINT BLANK ASS, WHAT YOU BRING TO US, THE COST, IF WE ARE ON PEOPLE VERSUS GET A CONTRACTOR.
AND YOU SAID BEFORE, WE GOT TO THAT POINT, YOU WOULD.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS JUST, YOU'VE JUST STARTED MEDICALLY DONE THE CONTRACT AND PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE FIVE JANITORIAL STAFF LOOKING AT THE STAFF SPREADSHEETS THAT Y'ALL HAVE WITHIN YOUR BUDGET BOOK, FIVE JANITORIAL POSITIONS, CURRENTLY FIVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT YOU SPEND $225,000 ON YOUR JANITORIAL POSITIONS.
AND THAT'S THE NUMBER OF STAFFING THAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
IF YOU DID IT BASED ON THAT, IF YOU DID IT BASED ON THE WAY THAT BOBBY PROPOSES AND IT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY ONLY LOOK AT TWO STAFF FOR THAT FACILITY AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE SAME SCHEDULE THAT THEY HAVE NOW.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN LIKE THIS.
AND IF ULTIMATELY WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO DO IS BRING MOVE FACILITIES FROM THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.
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SUGGEST THAT Y'ALL GO WITH THE BUDGET THAT HE'S PRESENTED, WHICH WAS NO CHANGE AT ALL.UM, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN HERE.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, YOU JUST, YOU JUST MADE THE COMMENT, THAT COMMENT THAT YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE THAT, RIGHT BEFORE THAT YOU SAID WE COULD DO THIS.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO SPLIT THEM OFF AND LET THEM BE THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT, IT'S REALLY SET UP REAL WELL TO DO THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN IT'S EASY TO FIX.
AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BACKING, FAMILIAR WITH YOUR OWN SIGNAL BUILDINGS AND STUFF.
I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A COMPLICATED, THEY'RE NOT CONVOLUTED INTO THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY STILL SEPARATED OUT.
IF WE WANT TO DECIDE TO DO THAT, IT'S EASY.
SO I CAN JUST SCOOT THEM OVER.
LIKE I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, IF THIS, AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WHATEVER, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, OUR SATISFACTION IS EASY TO JUST TAKE THAT DEPARTMENT THAT SHE'S GOT DRAWN OUT AND JUST MOVE IT OVER TO MIKE AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT ALL THE POSITIONS AREN'T CONVOLUTED WITHIN THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHERE WE STILL HAVE A FACILITY DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE MARRIED TO THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT EITHER.
SO YEAH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE EXPENSES ARE RELATED REALLY TO PURCHASING TO EVERYTHING WE DO, CONTRACT JANITORIAL, SERVICE SUPPLIES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU, WHY THERE'D BE THIS INITIATIVE TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO THINGS.
WELL, MS. WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT, BUT THEN, UH, WELL, NO, THAT'S WHAT I SAY WE CAN DO.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS, AS FAR AS WHAT IT COST, IF, IF WE DID OUR OWN VERSUS I WISH YOU'D HAVE GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERY MEMBER ON THIS COMMISSION, UM, I PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET AND A PLAN AND IT WOULD BE $225,000 TO HIRE FIVE JANITORIAL STAFF FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
IF THAT WAS THE PLAN I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE AUDITOR, IF, UM, BOBBY HAD TURNED IN A BUDGET TO YOU AT WHICH HE DID AND SAID, THERE ARE NO CHANGES.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY FRUSTRATION IS BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET THAT I PUT TOGETHER IN HOPES THAT WE COULD HAVE BETTER SYSTEMS AND OPERATIONS.
BUT IF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS TAKE MY BUDGET AND GIVE IT TO BOBBY.
NOW FIVE JANITORIAL STAFF ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THE KIND OF PEOPLE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SKILLS REQUIRED TO RUN THOSE SYSTEMS IN THAT BUILDING EVERYTHING IN THAT BUILDING IS ALL ELECTRONIC THERE'S.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE COMPANY ABM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PAY THEIR TECHNICIANS FOR.
UM, SOME OF THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE, UH, HPAC AND MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL, THE ENERGY AND THE FACILITY TO ENGINEERING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, EVERYTHING FROM THE, THE SECURITY GATES TO THE LOCKING SYSTEMS THAT HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND, UH, EVERY PLACE YOU GO, IF YOU GO TO ANY MUNICIPAL BUILDING OF ANY SIZE, IF YOU GO TO ANY BUSINESS, NOBODY, UH, EVERYBODY USES CONTRACTORS TO DO THAT STUFF.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T COME, YOU, YOU DON'T COME IN AND CLEAN DURING THE DAY AND STUFF.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, IT'S A MUCH BETTER MODEL THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER THAN, THAN HIRING FIVE, UH, JANITORIAL STAFF TO SWEEP OUT.
I THINK JUDGE, I ALSO THINK THAT THE REALITY IS THAT THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS OF THIS COUNTY, THEY MUST CHANGE WITH THE TIMES WE HAVE AN ULTRA MODERN HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT AS YOU POINT OUT IS HIGHLY TECHNICAL, UM, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, CURRENT CUTTING EDGE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT IS ITS OWN SPECIALTY VOCATION.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIALTY ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
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UM, I THINK HAVING WORKED IN LARGE HIGH RISE BUILDINGS, ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS ARE MAINTAINED BY PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS, UH, TO, TO THINK THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO SERVICE OUR BUILDINGS.THE WAY WE HAVE SINCE 1960 IS, UH, W WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING ON A $50 MILLION FACILITY, I JUST THINK IS, IS ANTIQUATED THINKING.
AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROFESSIONALIZATION OF THAT FUNCTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT COMES WHEN YOU INVEST IN A $50 MILLION BUILDING.
AND NOW WE HAVE REALLY TWO RAND NEW BUILDINGS OUT THERE.
RIGHT? IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE PROPOSAL ONE PROPOSAL TWO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHICH ONE'S A WAGE? DOESN'T SAY ONE IS ONE AND ONCE THE OTHER, THOSE ARE NOT.
SO MON IS GOING TO BE A PROPOSAL TO PACK HERE, GO MADE ONE TO $76,000 CHEAPER.
I LIKE THROW SOMETHING IN HERE.
WE GOT A BAD FARM ON PRECINCT RIGHT NOW.
I NEED SOME HELP ON IT'S OVER ABOUT THE GOSPEL FOR ASIA, WHERE THEY'RE ON THE FAR END OF MY PRIESTS.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, I ACTUALLY WAS A FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS FOR A CORPORATION IN PLANO BETWEEN MY POLICE CAREER AND WHAT I'M DOING NOW.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED, THERE WAS A BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT, UM, $14 MILLION BUILDING AT THAT TIME.
UH MULTI-STORY WE HAD IN-HOUSE CREW THAT TOOK CARE OF JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING, BUT WE DID HAVE TO BRING IN A CONTRACT COMPANY FOR ALL THE HVAC SYSTEMS AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, IT WAS MORE THAN ANY OF US CAN HANDLE, OF COURSE.
AND AS IN A SPECIALIZED TRAINING, UH, I JUST WANT THE SURETY AND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AWAY WITH OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE, USUALLY NOT, NO, YOU STILL HAVE CURRENT FACILITIES.
WE STILL HAVE EVERY, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SIDEBAR, RIGHT? IF YOU WILL.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH, FOR THAT NEW FACILITY OVER THERE, I MEAN, THAT IS A LOT TO UNDERTAKE AND I MEAN, WHO KNOWS, I MEAN OVER, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS OR WHATEVER, SOME TIME MAY EVOLVE, WE MIGHT GET SOME OF OUR PEOPLE TRAINED ON THAT EQUIPMENT.
WE ENDED UP DOING THAT AT THE FACILITY.
I WAS OVER, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO GUYS THAT WE SENT TO THE SCHOOL, THE COMPANY THAT MADE THE HVAC SYSTEMS AND THEY GOT TRAINED ON IT.
AND AFTER A WHILE, WE WERE ABLE TO STOP USING THE CONTRACT PEOPLE SO MUCH, WHICH IT WORKED OUT, IT SAVED US MONEY.
UM, BUT NOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.
EQUIPMENT IS DIFFERENT AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT IS TO KNOW THAT, UH, BOBBY AND HIS PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN PLACE DOING WHAT THEY DO, UH, FOR ALL EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS A SEPARATE DEAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS WITH FOR THEM.
AND IF, IF ANYTHING, IT GIVES THEM EXTRA SUPPORT.
WELL, ON THE JANITORIAL IS WHERE WE LACK SOMETIMES.
AND I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD NEVER NOT WANT TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE AND I'VE REALLY, REALLY TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS GROUP AND IT, THERE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO IT.
SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAELYNN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, SO AS I SAID YESTERDAY, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NOW IS WHO DO YOU WANT, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SEE A REVIEW YOU WANT TO, IS THERE ANY CALL FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS ASKED ME TO COME AND TALK, UM, WHEN, UH, WE HAVE THIS SCHEDULED FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT SHE SAID.
UM, SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THEIR BUDGET OR YOU WOULD KINDA LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED IS ANYBODY ELSE REQUESTED TO COME TALK TO? IT'S THE ONLY ONE MITCH THAT I'VE TALKED TO.
SOME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ASK QUESTIONS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN OR WHATEVER? AND BECAUSE WE HAD THESE THREE PRESENTATIONS TODAY BECAUSE, UH, THEY WERE PROPOSING REDUCTIONS AND KAREN, I GUESS WE NEED TO, WELL, ANYWAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE REDUCTIONS, HOW WERE WE GOING TO DO THAT? WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR BUDGETS AND MIDDLE WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THE SHEETS THAT THEY SENT IN THAT AISLE.
SO I'LL GET WITH THE, YEAH, I WILL.
I'LL ASK THEM TO SEND THAT TO YOU.
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OKAY.I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUCED TO SOMEBODY.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS SHEET, WE GOT IT YESTERDAY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF AIR.
I MEAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE REQUESTING NEW STAFF.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK ALL OF THEM TO COME IN AND EXPLAIN? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE NEW STAFF AND DO WE REALLY NEED IT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT IS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF REQUESTS HERE.
UM, WE CAN SUGGEST, LOOK, EVERYBODY'S WATCHING, RIGHT? WELL IMAGINE, WELL, NO, WATCH ALL 500.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND DO YOUR BUDGET, NOW'S THE TIME TO GET ON BOARD AND COME AND TALK TO HER.
SO PAY ATTENTION AND LET THEM COME.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THEN THEY WON'T RECEIVE THAT.
AND RE THE REALITY IS THE CONTROLLING FACTOR ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE.
AND, UM, I THINK THE NEW POSITIONS AND WAGE INCREASES, I THINK THAT NUMBER OF TOTAL, WHAT 4 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, FOR TWO, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, BUT, UM, SO I TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO.
I'LL SEND A EMAIL OUT THIS AFTERNOON TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT IS AND SAY, IF HE KNEW ANYBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THAT THEY CAN PLAN TO COME WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY AND I'LL GET THE ANIMAL TO COORDINATE WHEN THEY COME.
THIS WAS EVERYBODY'S REQUESTS FOR POSITIONS AND INCUR SALARY INCREASES.
IF IT, IF YOU TAKE THE INCREASES, THAT'S 44%.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE OTHER RAISES, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S THE RAISES THAT PEOPLE WON'T, IT IS INCLUDED IN THIS 4 MILLION.
AND IT WINDS UP BEING, I MEAN, 1.9 MILLION WORTH OF INCREASES.
SO THE NEW POSITIONS IS 2.4 IT'S HALF AND HALF, BASICALLY JUST ABOUT, UM, 56% POSITIONS.
I'LL SEND A, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION, CRYSTAL, YOUR FAN FANCY.
UH, SO I'LL SEND HER AN EMAIL AND I'LL SEND AN EMAIL AND TELL HIM THAT, UH, KIND OF UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE AND TELL THEM THAT IF THEY INTERESTED IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH US ABOUT IT, THEY CAN COME SCHEDULE A TIME TO COME WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO, UM, LIKE A LUMP SUM PRICE.
I WAS THINKING MAYBE SOMEBODY MAKING IT FROM THE THIRTIES TO THE SEVENTIES, A CERTAIN AMOUNT, 70 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND, A CERTAIN AMOUNT, OVER 150.
WELL, I'M SURPRISED THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING, I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP THE OTHER DAY AND I FIGURED YOU, YOU WOULD, UH, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE COMPLICATED.
SO WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF NOT NECESSARILY, LET'S JUST SAY BEFORE WE DECIDE, WE'RE GOING TO VIEW EVERYBODY MAKING BELOW THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IS GOING TO GET 500 A THOUSAND.
EVERYBODY GOING FROM HERE TO HERE IS GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 50.
WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO SPLITS OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST DO ONE NUMBER FOR EVERYBODY? OKAY.
WELL, JUST LIKE I SAID, YESTERDAY, ELEVATED COST OF LIVING IS BETTER TOLERATED BY THOSE THAT MAKE A HIGHER SALARY.
SO I GUESS THAT'S A, YES, THAT'S A YES.
SO, UH, SOME SORT OF A STEPPED RAISE IS MUCH MORE, UH, MEANINGFUL.
WHAT'S THE UPDATE THERE? UH, WELL, MY NEIGHBORS ARE CALLING ME SAYING THERE'S ANOTHER FIRE JUST NORTH OF MY PLACE.
AND THEN HUNTER WENT OUT AND LOOKED AND HE SMELLED SMOKE FROM THE NORTH, BUT HE SEES SMOKE TO THE SOUTH OF US, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE GOSPEL FOR ASIAN THING.
SO IT'S APPARENTLY PRETTY BAD.
WELL, IF IT'S NORTH OF YOU, THAT'LL THAT'LL HELP.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF, DO WE WANT TO TALK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO LUMP SUM RAISES, WHICH IS WHAT WE CLEARLY DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DO? UH, NOT PERCENTAGE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO LUMPS ON BRAISES, DO WE WANT TO START OFF WITH THE LARGER AMOUNT OR THE BOTTOM SIDE AND A SMALLER AMOUNT ON THE TOP SIDE OR ONE FLAT NUMBER ALL ACROSS THE PORT.
EVERYBODY LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE DO A FLAT NUMBER ACROSS FOR EVERYBODY FIRST, SEE HOW THAT COMES OUT.
AND THEN WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT DOING DIFFERENT STEPS OF IT, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HIGHER END PAID PEOPLE, MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WELL.
AND I THINK THE TOTAL WOULD, THE CONCEPT WOULD BE THE TOTAL.
IT JUST WOULD BE IT'S ON THAT SHEET THAT WE GAVE YOU FIVE TO SEVEN AND THE 10.
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A DIFFERENT AMOUNT? BRANDY CAN PLUG IT IN AND IT'LL CHANGE ON THAT.THAT WAS RETIREMENT AND THE SIGHT HEARING INCLUDED.
SO IF WE START DOING THAT, HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR SPRINTS FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE? IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT RANKING STRUCTURES, BOTH THE GAP LIKE WE DID LAST.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF WE DO THE FLAT FOR EVERYBODY THE SAME, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FLUCTUATION THERE.
THAT'S THE ISSUE IS IF WE DO THAT, IT WOULD ELIMINATE CLOSING THE GAPS.
IT WILL BE EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE LOWER WAGE LEVELS, THAT RAISE IS PROBABLY MORE CRITICAL TO THEM THAN SOMEBODY THAT THE UPPER WAGE LEVEL, IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TALKING SMALL DOLLARS, BUT ON THIS SHEET, WE'RE NOT TALKING SMALL DOLLARS.
I MEAN, THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND I THINK EVEN, MAYBE IT'S A WISHLIST, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, EVEN THE NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS SHOW, THEY WORK.
I MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND HARSH, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST HERE THEN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'VE ATTAINED FOR WHATEVER, HOWEVER, YOU'VE DONE THAT.
UM, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPENSATED DIFFERENT FOR THAT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
IF EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME RAISE, THEN AS FAR AS STATUS WISE, YOU'RE IN THE SAME POSITION, BUT EVERYBODY'S MAKING THE SAME MORE THAN THEY WERE MAKING BEFORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY GETS 10,000 AND EVERYBODY'S MAKING 10,000 MORE THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I GOT THE FOREST SERVICE INTERRUPT.
I SAID THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WIND AFTER IT WAS JUST SWEEPING IT.
I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO SENSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
CAN WE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START WITH.
WE MADE HER DECISION ON THE LUMP SUM.
NOW I NEED TO KNOW SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION.
THE, IS YOUR INCLINATION TO BREAK IT UP INTO DIFFERENT TIERS WITH THE SAME TOTAL AT THE END, OR JUST GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME AMOUNT.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT GIVING EVERYBODY THE SAME AMOUNT YOU ST.
AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A TERRIBLE THING THING, BUT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD THINK WE'RE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST YOU.
IF WE DON'T GIVE ME THE SAME AMOUNT WHERE YOU THINK, I, I JUST, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CAUSE I KIND OF BELIEVE THAT IT WORKS OUT.
AND THEN, THEN WE'VE UP DIFFERENT BODIES GAME TO TODAY'S MARKET.
GOOD TO WHERE TO TAKE IT FOR INFLATION FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN WE GET BACK TO THE PERCENTAGE RISES AND YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS JUST MORE OF A, TO ME IT'S IN MY MIND, IT'S JUST AN ALIGNMENT OF BY SALARIES BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFLATION AND TO TRY TO GET US CLOSER TO THE MARKET WHERE IT'S AT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME OUT REALLY WELL.
I MEAN, WHAT SORT OF DOLLAR AMOUNT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? A STRAIGHT AWARD, 10,000 PER PERSON IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH HERE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU GOT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A STARTING POINT.
THEN WHAT WILL WORK? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE HERE TO LOOK AT AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD WORK AND THAT'S THE PLACE TO START.
AND YOU SEE THAT THERE'S THAT? WELL, WE KNOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WHERE $12,000 OFF.
I MEAN, FOR AS CAN, AS COMPETITIVE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK IN TERRIBLE, YES.
AND LIKE I SAY, THERE WERE CRUDE.
DON'T WHERE IT AIN'T EVEN LICENSED YET MAKING ALMOST 56,000.
WELL, I PAID SOMEBODY TO DO OUR LAPS AND THEN WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEAR AND DEAR ROAD AND BRIDGE OUR EQUIPMENT OPERATORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO.
WE CAN'T STEAL ANYBODY FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO GET THE PEOPLE ALL UP AND DOWN THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE THAT CAN'T TAP AND I'M SO I MEAN, AND GIVING THEM JOBS TO TYPE.
SO NOW, I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.
THEY, UH, BUT NO FLAT RATE, THIS KIND OF IS KIND OF A STEPPING STONE BECAUSE 10,000
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DOESN'T HELP YOU AS MUCH AS IT WENT THE ROOM CREW GUY, OR ARE YOU AT 773,000 FOREVER THOUSAND DOLLARS INCREASE.SO THAT'S A $7 MILLION INCREASE.
I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I MEAN, I DON'T CARE.
IT'S TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OF THIS ALREADY.
SHE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THESE NUMBERS THAN ANYBODY.
AND I THINK GIVE HER SOMETHING TO WORK WITH, TO LOOK AT THAT AND COMPARE THAT AND SEE WHERE WE'D COME OUT.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY EASY TO SIT HERE AND SAY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
WELL, LET'S SAY, HAVE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, PUT IT ON SOME PAPER AND LET'S SEE WHAT, HOW IT COMES OUT AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT WILL WORK.
NOW THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE GOT IS EVERYBODY'S WON'T YEAH.
I MEAN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS GIVING THEM EVERYTHING THAT THEY ASKED FOR EXCEPT ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL EXCEPT FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
SO WE'RE UP $8 MILLION BEFORE WE DO ANY RAISES.
SO IF WE CAN GET A $7 MILLION WAGE INCREASE, THAT WOULD BE UP $15 MILLION, WHICH IS FOLLOWING UP $44 MILLION, UH, TAX LEVY FROM THIS YEAR.
BUT DESTINY ISN'T, I, THAT WAS TOLD ME TO LOOP YESTERDAY WHEN YOU PLUGGED IN THE 44 VEGAN, IS THAT WHEN OUR TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO BE FOR, THAT IS OUR LEVY FOR THIS YEAR, THAT'S LEVY IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S THE TAX AND LIBYAN THE BUDGET, THE 22 LEVY.
BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL FUND? 11 24, 22.
THIS YEAR, WHAT? 59, 89 FOR THIS YEAR.
REALLY? WHAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ME PLAYING WITH IT, THE WHOLE RIGHT.
MOVING IT AROUND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
SO I'LL SEND THAT EMAIL TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND WE'LL SEE IF ANY OF THEM WANT TO COME TALK TO THIS WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY.
WHAT'S WHAT IS SOCIAL SECURITY PROJECTION FOR A COST OF LIVING RAISES? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HAVE A AVENUE TWO NINE.
I THINK I AM LOOKING, I AM, I'VE ASKED SOMEBODY THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM TODAY ABOUT AN INDEX BASED ON A PROJECTED INFLATION RATE IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METROPLEX.
SO I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM, BUT THAT NUMBERS AND I ASKED FOR IT, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BE A PRIVATE INDUSTRY NUMBER, AS OPPOSED TO A GOVERNMENT NUMBER, SINCE THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
SO WE'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THAT NUMBER IN, BUT IT'LL BE A, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO A REGIONAL, IF I SAY, IF HE CAN'T GET A DFW NUMBER, THEN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A STATE OF TEXAS.
WHY DON'T WE DO YOU A TEAR TO HAVE FOR TOMORROW ZERO TO 70,000, $10,000, RAISE 71 TO A HUNDRED K WOULD BE 7,000.
WHAT I, WHAT I HEAR FROM THEM IS THEY ALL, EXCEPT FOR A, IT EVERYBODY'S THINKING THAT A FLAT, JUST A FLAT NUMBERS BETTER.
YOU CAN BRING WHATEVER WORK NUMBER.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, BRING US SOME SUGGESTION HERE.
CAUSE THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY EXAMPLE AND DO THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
I'M JUST COMPELLED TO SAY, TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO EMPLOYEE RATIOS.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE, BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE ALSO THE HUNDRED AND 90,000 TAXPAYERS IN THIS COUNTY.
SO WE SHOULD NOT LOSE SIGHT OF OUR, UH, OF OUR, I BELIEVE OUR OBLIGATION, BUT CERTAINLY A WORTHY GOAL TO FIND A WAY TO MINIMIZE ANY TAX DOLLAR INCREASE THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IN THIS EVENT HERE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO ALSO HAVE THIS LONG SHEET THAT I DO THAT SHOWS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ALL THE WAGES.
IF I PRINT THOSE OUT, THAT'S FINE.
IT OUT TO LEGAL SO THEY CAN READ THESE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT DURING THIS MEETING.
PHYLLIS LUTHER JOURNEY IS OUR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.