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[1. To Discuss the Fiscal Year 2022-2023 Budget.]
MEETING AND KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURTS CALLED TO ORDER TODAY IS, UH, JULY 29TH.AND WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM.
UM, THE ONLY ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS THE BUDGET AND WE HAVE, UH, JUDGE GRAY, KICK US OFF HERE.
SHE'S GONNA COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT HER BUDGET REQUEST IS.
I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST HERE FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, I HAVE TWO THINGS, UH, ONE AS THE CHAIR OF THE JUVENILE BOARD AND WE HAVE NAMED TRINIS RAMSEY AS THE INTERIM, UH, CHIEF OVER AT JUVENILE PROBATION.
WE HAVE POSTED THE, UH, CHIEF POSITION, THE PERMANENT CHIEF POSITION WITH COUNTY.
UM, HOLD IT OPEN FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS, SEE THE APPLICATIONS IN, BUT WE DID GO AHEAD AND NAME OF THE BOARD NAMED, UH, TRENA.
WHO'S BEEN WITH THE COUNTY 28 YEARS AS THE INTERIM, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CONTINUITY RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF IT THERE.
AND SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I ASKED TRINIS TO LOOK AT, WE WE'VE TALKED WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT A DETENTION FACILITY.
WE MAY, WE MAY NOT DO THAT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT HAPPENS.
WE HAVE AN EXPLOSION OF POPULATION, PARTICULARLY IN THE YOUTH, UH, TEENAGERS.
AND SO ONE OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BOTH TALKED ABOUT ARE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES LOOKING IN ON THAT, BUT ALSO SOME PROGRAMS IN-HOUSE HAVING TO DEAL WITH GIRLS SPECIFICALLY INVOLVING TRAFFICKING AND WITH BOYS SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH GANGS, BAD INFLUENCES, THINGS LIKE THAT, HAVING TO DO THE COUNSELING.
AND TRINICE IN HIS BRIEF TIME, AS INTERIM HAS WORKED TOGETHER WITH DR.
ORTIZ AND HIS WIFE ON TWO PROGRAMS FOR THAT THIS SUMMER, THEY HAD A PROGRAM INVOLVING, UM, JUST THE GIRLS, RIGHT? IT WAS A LIFE SKILLS COURSE WITH THE GIRLS IN THE PAST.
THEY'VE DONE READING PROGRAMS. THIS GENERATION READS VERY WELL.
THEY'VE GOT READING DOWN WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS, AND YOU CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THE NEEDS ARE, BUT THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO TACKLE, WHICH SET OF ISM, TRYING TO REHABILITATE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME KIDS AS MUCH AS THEY HELP.
WHATEVER REASON WE CAN THROW ALL THE RESOURCES, ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP WHETHER THEIR HOME LIFE SITUATION, THEIR PAST EXPERIENCES, WHATEVER THEIR OWN DISPOSITIONS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS THAT WE CAN HELP.
AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO START DOING THAT FIRST, WHETHER THERE'S A DETENTION FACILITY OR NOT TRY TO REACH THESE KIDS.
DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE IDEA FOR BOTH OF THOSE, THE GIRLS AND THE BOYS I COULD TALK ABOUT, GO AHEAD.
UH, MAINLY ON THE BOYS' SIDE, WE'RE GOING TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON THE GANG ACTIVITY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A GANG ACTIVITY GOING ON IN OUR COUNTY.
SO HE'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT COMPONENT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, BEING MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY, TAKING RESPONSIBILITIES FOR YOUR ACTION, EVEN DOWN TO THE PART OF, YOU KNOW, HOW TO STUDY IN SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, AND JUST BULLYING, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK IF WE ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES, WE MIGHT CUT OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
T'S HAS BEEN WORKING FOR US FOR AT LEAST 17 YEARS.
SO HE HAS A GOOD RAPPORT WITH OUR KIDS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PROGRAM.
NOW, HIS WIFE, THIS SUMMER, SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THE GIRLS, WITH THE LIFE CLASSES.
AND ONE THING THAT JUDGE GRAY REALLY WANT TO HONE IN ON IS, UH, HUMAN TRAFFICKING SEX WITH THE GIRLS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT ISSUE.
WE HAVE GIRL IN PLACEMENT NOW THAT HAPPENED TO HER AND SHE WAS GONE FOR MAYBE SIX MONTHS.
AND SO THEN WHEN SHE GOT BACK, WE PUT HER, WE WAS ABLE TO PUT HER IN A PLACEMENT TO GET HER SOME HELP.
SO SHE'S GOING TO FOCUS IN ON THAT.
AND THE GIRLS THIS SUMMER LOVED MISS RTS TO THE POINT.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO END THE PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM JUST ACTUALLY ENDED YESTERDAY.
SO WE HAD A GREAT SUCCESS WITH THE GIRLS THIS TIME AND LIFE SKILLS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COOKING AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING TAUGHT AT HOME TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
IT'S LITERALLY EVERYDAY LIFE SKILLS THAT THEY, THESE GIRLS DON'T HAVE AND THEY LOVED IT AND THEY THRIVED IN IT.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF OUR ASK IS AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THESE PROGRAMS SO THAT IF THE GIRLS HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS, I CAN BE INDEPENDENT.
THEY SPECIFICALLY ON THE TRAFFICKING, THE GIRL POPULATION WITH JUVENILE PROBATION, THEY ARE AT RISK THEY'RE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
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TOLD, HEY, YOU KNOW, HEY, COME VISIT ME, COME MEET ME.AND I'M SIGNING ALL OF THESE DIRECTIVES TO APPREHEND CAUSE THEY'RE ON PROBATION AND WE CAN'T FIND THEM.
THEIR ANKLE MONITORS HAVE BEEN CUT RIGHT THERE, PICKED BACK UP MONTHS LATER.
AND IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR THESE GIRLS.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TARGET POPULATION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR VICTIMS. UM, THESE ARE KIDS THAT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S PART OF OUR, TRYING TO PREVENT THEM FROM BECOMING VICTIMS, HAVING CONFIDENCE, HAVING, BEING ABLE TO BE INDEPENDENT, MAKING GOOD DECISIONS, STAYING IN SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT ALSO WITH THE POPULATION THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE SUPERVISORS.
PROBATION OFFICERS, UM, THAT WILL HELP AS WELL.
UM, IS THERE AN INTERIM, IS THERE A, A PART-TIME AS WELL THAT YOU NEED FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE? WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET.
AND I'LL COME UP WITH THE IDEA.
ONE OF THE GUYS WHO JUST RETIRED WITH US, HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO COME BACK AND BE LIKE ON CALL.
SO WHEN KIDS GET SUSPENDED STUTTERED, LET HIM SIT AT THE HOME, SIT AT HOME.
WE MAKE THEM DO COMMUNITY SERVICE EVERY DAY, THEY SUSPEND IT.
SO HE'S WILLING TO COME BACK IN AND WORK.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA AS WELL.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MENTOR THING, TYPE TWO FOR THOSE KIDS THAT ARE THE NEXT BELT TO THE STREETS.
SO THEY'RE NOT JUST SITTING, WHAT IS IT? IDLE HANDS ARE THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID, UM, WITH THAT, WHERE ARE THE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE? WHERE, WHERE CAN THEY DO COMMUNITY SERVICE? I MEAN, IS THAT EASILY AVAILABLE OR, WELL, THIS SUMMER, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN GOING HERE TO THE FOOD BANK AND THE KIDS GO OUT THERE AND THE HELP AT THE FOOD BANK.
AND WE JUST, UH, WE STARTED BACK GOING BACK TO THE GENESIS CENTER AND ALSO WE WERE GOING TO THE THRIFT STORE AND 40.
SO BETWEEN THOSE THREE AREAS, WE, THE KIDS WORK EVERYDAY.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THE OFFICE, IF SOMETHING NEEDED CLEANING OR WHATEVER CARS NEED WASHING YARD NEEDS CUTTING, THEY DO THAT AS WELL.
ORTIZ AND HIS WIFE THAT DO THESE PROGRAMS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CUP? WELL, TWO QUESTIONS REALLY.
I MEAN, HOW MANY GIRLS AND HOW MANY BOYS CAN THEY HAVE IN AND WHAT'S HOW MANY DO WE HAVE TO SEND THEM? I MEAN, OKAY.
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE HAD OVER 200 KIDS.
THAT'S ACTIVELY BEING SOME TYPE OF SUPERVISION WITHOUT DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE NUMBER IS GENERALLY CLASS RUN FROM ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT IS PROBABLY A GOOD NUMBER, BUT THE THING IS ONLY EIGHT WEEKS.
AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN KEEP GOING TO CAPTURE LITTLE KIDS.
EACH PROGRAM, THE GIRLS GROUPS IS IT'S SIX, EIGHT WEEKS.
AND THE BOYS WOULD SAY SIX TO EIGHT AT A TIME.
AND SO WE CAN KEEP GOING AND KEEP GOING.
AND THESE GOING TO BE THE ONES WE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE ALL THE KIDS THAT WE HAVE WON'T BENEFIT FROM THESE PROGRAMS. YEAH.
AND THEN, UH, SO 200 IS KIND OF THE POPULATION 200 IS THE POPULATION IS OKAY.
UM, UM, SIX DAYS, I GUESS IT'S A DIFFERENT SIX AND NEXT GROUP.
HOW MANY SESSIONS DO YOU GET? YEAH, THE FIRST SESSION YOU CAN GET UP TO, LET'S SEE, EIGHT, EIGHT WEEKS A YEAR.
WHAT WE LET THEM OFF SOME BECAUSE OF, SO AGAIN, DO IT ALL YEAR.
AND THEY COME NORMALLY AND GET YOU IN THE EVENING TIME WHEN EVERYBODY'S GONE AND THEY DOWNSTAIRS AND PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, PROBATION.
OFFICER'S GOING TO BE DOWN THERE WITH THEM, WITH THE SYSTEM.
SO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS EVERYBODY'S OKAY.
NO, UM, ONE ISSUE THAT I HADN'T TALKED TO TRAVIS ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT NOT COMING IN TODAY, BUT JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, BUT IT'S MORE OF A FUTURE THING THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE.
THE DEPARTMENT IS RUNNING OUT OF SPACE OVER THERE.
IT HAS FLOODING ISSUES IN THE BASEMENT AND ADDING PROGRAMS, ADDING PEOPLE.
SO JUST BE ON, JUST BE AWARE OF THAT.
WE MIGHT BE ASKING FOR MORE SPACE OR ADDITIONAL SPACE AT DIFFERENT PLACES.
JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN BE FLEXIBLE, BE CREATIVE, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A NEED COMING, COMING UP.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SPACE ELSEWHERE? NOT JUST HERE.
I MEAN THAT MORE CLOSELY TO WHERE THE POPULATION IS.
IF WE COULD PUT SOME OFFICERS THERE THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
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WE RUN INTO THE PARENTS, THEY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO GET THEM ALL THE WAY TO KAUFFMAN.SO THAT WOULD HELP THEM GET THAT IN THE PAST.
SO IT HELPED WHEN TERRIBLE WAS THE PRIMARY DOMINANT SELLING.
WE DID THAT, BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S NOT, BUT THE KIDS THEMSELVES, IT'S A HIGH KID POPULATION.
ONE TIME WE HAD ACTUALLY HAD A ROOM OVER THERE WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW POLICE STATION.
WE ENDED UP, WE HAD A PROBATION ROOM AND THEN THEY LOANED US A COUPLE OF PLACES, A COUPLE OF PROBATION OFFICERS, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT WENT AWAY.
AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, WE HAVE NO FACILITIES OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE FACILITIES.
IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND LOCATIONS FOR PROBATION OFFICES.
FOR SOME REASON, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING THAT UP JUST TO, TO KIND OF CAN START THINKING ABOUT, AND CONSIDERING, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, AN ISSUE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER I'M ELECTRONIC.
OH, WE, THEY NEED MORE, A LARGER BUDGET FOR ELECTRONIC MONITORING.
UM, UH, WITH, WE'RE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON THE DETENTION POPULATION THAT WE HAVE.
SO THE BEST WAY I CAN DO THAT IS BY PUTTING AN ANKLE MONITOR ON THEM, GPS TRACKING, UM, AND THEN SCANNING THEM TO STAY HOME AND ACTUALLY IN THERE MONITORING IT.
WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'VE SET A PERIMETER AND THEY CAN BUZZ THEM AND THEY KNOW THEY'RE TALKING TO THEM, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE OUT, THEY CAN GO BACK IN.
IF THEY CONTINUE TO BE ISSUES, THEN WE CAN, UH, PLACE THEM IN DETENTION.
UM, BUT WITH THE POPULATION, THEY, THEY WILL NEED AN INCREASE FOR FLIGHT MONITORS.
WE DO, WE CONTINUE TO USE THEM OVER AND OVER.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING, SOMEBODY JUST ABSOLUTELY.
AND MANY, MANY THE WAY THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE 19 TO 20.
I MEAN, I MUST HOW MUCH THEY COST ABOUT $3 AND 60 CENTS A DAY.
I FIGURED THAT WHEN HE SAID THREE, SIX, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT WITH LIKE PHONES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME KIDS WE NEEDED ON THEIR ANKLE BECAUSE THERE'VE BEEN SOME KIDS THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED NEW OFFENSES WITH MONITOR ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE KIDS HAVE PHONES BECAUSE THEY HAD, IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF APP TO USE INSTEAD OF THOSE INCREMENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR PHONES.
AND THERE ARE SOME, AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER THOSE FOR SOME OF THEM.
BUT THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT WE NEED THE FULL GPS TRACKER, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY.
HOW MANY, UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFICKING? UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A SUBJECT YOU READ A LOT ABOUT HOW MANY KIDS DO WE HAVE YOU DO, Y'ALL SEE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE TRAFFICKED JUST WITH THIS POPULATION.
IT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE GIRLS A YEAR.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THIS POPULATION, YOU MEAN THE ONES IN THE JUVENILE PROBATION? YES.
JUST THIS SPECIFIC POPULATION.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FULL IT'S THE ONES THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED ALREADY THAT WE KNOW OF.
AND THE REASON WE KNOW ABOUT THEM IS THEY'RE ON PROBATION.
THEY DON'T NEED UP, YOU TALK TO THEIR PARENTS, THEIR PARENTS, LIKE THEY'RE GONE.
THEY MET SOMEONE ONLINE AND THEY ARE GONE.
AND THEN I'M SIGNING, YOU DON'T SIGN AN ARREST WARRANT ON A JUVENILE SALMON DIRECTED APPREHEND.
SO I'M SIGNING DIRECTORS APPREHEND.
WHEN WE FIND THEM FOR SIX MONTHS LATER, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT IT IS VERY CLEAR, THERE'S SPECIFIC TYPES OF ABUSE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING TO A THIRD OUT OF A HUNDRED OR TWO.
SO THAT, THAT WAS OUR TO PREVENT, TO GIVE THEM KNOWLEDGE, GET THEIR PARENTS KNOWLEDGE, UM, TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM ON JUST HOW DANGEROUS TALKING TO PEOPLE, MEETING PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SAY TO THEM, JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN BE KEPT SAFE BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE A TARGET POPULATION.
THERE ARE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, MOMS HAVE SAID HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS GONE FOR TWO WEEKS.
AND SO IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING THAT WE CAN DO.
WE CAN, I KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME GRANT MONEY WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT THIS IS, UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PREVENT MORE GIRLS FROM TAKING OFF IN A SITUATION THAT THEY DO NOT APPRECIATE HOW DANGEROUS THE SITUATION IS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ONLY ONE MONTH? WE DIDN'T ANSWER APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY MORE THAN YOU THINK YOU MICHAEL MONITOR? HOW
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MANY MORE ANKLE MONITORS? WELL, USUALLY THEY ONLY ALLOW US SO MANY ON, ON, ON A SHELF SPACE, 20%, 15% SHELF SPACE.SO YOU MEAN THE LESS, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SAY WE NEED 25 MORE TO SIT AROUND.
WELL, I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING WE GOTTA HAVE, YOU GOTTA HAVE A NUMBER OF THE PLUGIN KEEPS GOING UP.
ONCE THE KID HAS GET OUT OF OUR ORIGINAL USE FOR DETENTION, IF THE JUDGE ORDER A ANKLE MONITOR ON THERE, THEN WE JUST ORDER ANOTHER ONE.
THEY WILL THAT WE, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THE NEED, THEY WILL SHIP IT TO US, BUT IT'S JUST, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE THEM SITTING.
HOW MUCH MONEY DO THEY, I MEAN, BOTTOM LINE BUDGET, 40, 40,000.
CAUSE YOU HAVE THAT INCREASE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE SAY WE GOT 19 NOW, BUT THAT'S JUST FOR NOW.
I COULD GO DOWN JUST DEPENDING ON HOW TO, AND RIGHT NOW THE ODD THING IS IT'S SORTA QUIET, BUT WHEN SCHOOL START IS GOING TO PICK BACK UP AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BUSY ALL THE WAY THROUGH NEXT MAY, THAT'S WHEN THE RAIL SOCIAL NETWORKING GETS STARTED, I GUESS.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER AND WHEN THEY COMMIT OFFENSES AT SCHOOL, THEY GET ARRESTED AT SCHOOL.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED A PROBATION ABOUT WHEN OUR END OF THE WORLD.
I MEAN, CAUSE I'M SURE THAT YOU IT'S A BIG MAJORITY COMING FROM THERE.
AND UH, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE ONE, UH, JUST A STOREFRONT BUILDING.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THESE ARE KIDS ON PROBATION.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY, THERE WILL NEED TO BE SOME SECURITY FUNCTIONS, UM, CAMERAS, SOME WAY TO SECURE.
CAUSE WE HAVE HAD KIDS MAKE BAD DECISIONS IN THEIR OFFICES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD TO BE CALLED.
TRACY, ARE WE, ARE, ARE YOU GUYS INTEGRATED WITH LIKE SOME OF THE NATIONAL ANTI-TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PRIVATE FUNDED ONES AS WELL AS THE FEDS THEY HAVE.
UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE JUST STARTED REALLY TO FOCUSING IN ON THAT, BUT I CAN GO AND DO RESEARCH AND SEE IF WE CAN.
THERE'S A NUMBER AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF BOTH PRIVATELY FUNDED, YOU KNOW, BIG NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT, UH, HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES AND, AND A HUGE NETWORKING CAPABILITIES AND THE FEDS HAVE A HUGE ANTI-TRAFFICKING INITIATIVE RIGHT HERE IN NORTH TEXAS ACTUALLY.
SO IT MIGHT BE WORTH CHECKING INTO IT.
THIS IS PART OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST, BASICALLY TWO WEEKS NOW, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ON LONGER, BUT TWO WEEKS AGO WITHIN THOSE TWO WEEKS, WE'VE REALLY BEEN STARTING TO MAKE CHANGES TO AFFECT THE, THE TARGET POPULATION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NO.
I WAS GOING TO PIVOT TO, UM, MY OWN COURT REALLY QUICKLY.
I HAVE LISA ANDERSON IS THE INDIGENT DEFENSE COORDINATOR.
SHE WORKS, UM, UNDER MY DIRECTION AND THEN I HAVE TWO COORDINATORS.
UM, ANNA IS LISTED AS AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, BUT OVER THE YEAR PART DUTIES HAVE SHIFTED TO THAT.
THAT'S EQUAL TO TAMRA CHOOSE WHO WAS LISTED AS A COORDINATOR.
UM, PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE BROAD ASPECT OF THE JURISDICTION THAT I HAVE, I HAVE A LOT OF SEVERAL CASES WE TAKE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUDGE RICH HAS AS WELL.
UM, WE TAKE ON A FOURTH OF THE CIVIL, A FOURTH OF THE FAMILY LAW, BUT ALSO JUDGE RICH.
AND I SHARE THE HALF OF THE CIVIL CASES THAT THE DISTRICT COURTS DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO HANDLE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING UNDER 250,000.
A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE CAR CASES, CAR ACCIDENT, CASES, DEBT CASES.
SO WE HAVE A HEAVY CIVIL DOCKET.
SO I'VE TRANSITIONED TAMRA TO HANDLING THE FAMILY AND THE CIVIL DOCKET.
AND I HANDLES THE CRIMINAL DOCKET.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS ANNA TO BE BUMPED UP TO EQUAL TO TAMMA BECAUSE SHE'S DOING THE SAME WORK.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THERE.
UM, AND ALSO FOR LISA TO BE PAID THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT SHE PUTS IN, SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
UM, HER JOB IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT KEEPS OUR COUNTY FROM LAWSUITS, FROM PEOPLE NOT GETTING ATTORNEYS IN A QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME.
SHE'S RESPONSIVE TO ALL OF OUR JUDGES WORKS WELL WITH ALL OF THE JUDGES.
AND THAT THAT'S VERY SIMPLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
SHE'S PARTIALLY PAID HALF OF IT.
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ALSO DOING THE LAW LIBRARY.SHE HANDLES ALL THE ORDERING ALL OF THE BOOKS FOR THE LAW LIBRARY.
UM, I THINK IT'S WESTLAW ALEXIS PRO DOCS AND THEN ALSO GETTING, UM, MATERIAL TO ALL OF THE JUDGES, UM, BOOKS, ANYTHING THAT WE NEED LAW LIBRARY WISE, SHE HANDLES THAT AS WELL.
SO HALF OF THAT WOULD COME FROM THE COULD COME FROM THE LAW LIBRARY, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER ONE OTHER THING WITH THE LAW LIBRARY.
UM, I TALKED TO KAREN ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVE THE LAW LIBRARY MOVES, IT'S A DIFFERENT SPACE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED FROM SHELVING TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING.
AND ANYTIME THERE IS A MOVE, YOU DON'T KNOW, THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT NECESSARILY IT'S A NEED, BUT MAYBE A CONTINGENCY TYPE THING.
IF SOME OF THE BOOKS THAT WE HAVE, THERE ARE VERY OLD BRITTLE.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM, HOW CAN THEY BE REPLACED? CAN THEY BE REPAIRED? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WAS JUST A WORRY THAT LISA HAS HAD.
SO I'M JUST PASSING THAT ON AS WELL.
JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAW, WHILE LIBRARIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DECISION THAT Y'ALL MAKE TO KIND OF APPROVE THAT OR, OR WHAT, BUT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CONTINGENCY PLAN WITHIN THE LAW LIBRARY BUDGET.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, IT'S A FUND.
THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL BALANCE.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU USE A LOT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT HAS NOT, BUT JUST LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE MOVE OR IF WE NEED MORE SHELVING, IF WE NEED SOMETHING, WE MIGHT BE COMING BACK ON THE LIBRARY, IT'S A FUTURE OF THE LAW LIBRARY.
ISN'T EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH GOING DIGITAL NOW.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR BOOKS FOR LAW LIBRARIES.
I, I WAS TRAINED, UM, ONLY TO DO THINGS ONLINE AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE VERNON'S IN MY OFFICE.
I'VE NEVER USED THEM IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
THERE ARE OTHER JUDGES WHO USE THEM EXCLUSIVELY.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF TRAINING AND PROBABLY PREFERENCE, BUT I DO EVERYTHING ONLINE.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THINGS ONLINE.
I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO COMPUTER STATIONS.
UM, I'LL TALK TO LISA ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP BOOKS WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATUTE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UNTIL THE DAY COMES THAT THE LAST LAWYER IS GONE, THAT ACTUALLY WORKED ON BOOKS AND IT WAS THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE DECORATION.
THE WAY I LOOK AT THEM, WHAT WAS THAT? I WAS TRAINED WITH BOOKS.
WE WERE TRAINED FOR SIX WEEKS.
WE WERE TRAINED FOR SIX WEEKS SO THAT WE KNEW HOW TO FIND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, AND HERE'S WESTLAW AND LEXIS.
I, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO SHE MAD IT WOULD GET LAURA AND TALK TO HER.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB ON RESTORE NOTEBOOKS AND FIX THEM, YOU KNOW? AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IN THE FUTURE TO REPAIR ALL THOSE BOOKS AND FIX THEM TO WHERE THEY CAN BE USED.
ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE WITH LISA, SHE'S TRYING TO THINK AHEAD ALL OF THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND SO SHE'S LIKE IN A MOOD, THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN THESE, YOU KNOW, VERY BRITTLE OLD BOOKS GETTING, I WAS LIKE, WELL, OKAY, I'LL TALK TO KAREN.
I'LL TALK TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT SHE WILL BE THE POINT PERSON WITH THE MOVING COMPANY.
THAT SHE'LL BE THE POINT PERSON THERE SO SHE CAN THREATEN THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M SURE SHE WILL, BUT JUST, I TOLD HER I WOULD, I WOULD MENTION IT.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
UH, SO WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO THIS LITTLE SCHEDULE THAT I HAVE HERE.
I THOUGHT THAT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE, I THOUGHT THAT I GUESS A MISCOMMUNICATION, I KNOW THAT THE AUDITOR HAS A MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT JUDGE, HER ANNUAL MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT JUDGES, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS ALL OF THEM.
AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THAT SHEET COMPOSITE, THOSE SHEETS COMPILED FROM THEM WITH THE BANNER.
WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THE MIDPOINT CONVERSATION.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW LONG THE MEETING WILL.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE GET THE SHEETS FROM THEM.
SO WELL, WE COULD DO OUR JARGON FOR A FEW MINUTES AND LINCOLN WALK ACROSS THERE AND MAKE SURE THEN SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT AND FIRST, AND SEE IF THIS MATCHES UP WITH WHAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING.
UM, SO TODAY WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MIDPOINT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE TOTAL.
SO, AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US, THE DEPARTMENTS
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ARE TELLING US IT WOULD TAKE TO GET PEOPLE ALL TO THEIR MIDPOINT.UM, THEN I THOUGHT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT NEW CIVILIAN POSITIONS.
I HAD NONE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, SEPARATING LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM CIVILIAN, UM, ON MONDAY, UH, I THINK MONDAY WE, WE SHOULD MAKE OUR GOAL TO RESOLVE OUR TOTAL SPENDING AND OUR TOTAL TAX REVENUE.
SO WE HAVE THOSE BIG NUMBERS NAILED DOWN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET DOWN IN THE DETAILS OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AT THAT POINT.
JUST WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS SPENDING IN TAX REVENUE AND THEN TUESDAY, THE BIG DAY TUESDAY WOULD BE WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE WAY WE POSTED IT IS A BUDGET DISCUSSION IS AFTER, IS AT THE END OF THAT AGENDA ON TUESDAY.
AND MY PROPOSAL IS THAT WE, WE JUST GET LUNCH IN, WE WOULD JUST STAY HERE UNTIL WE GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TO THE AUDITOR SO THAT SHE CAN FILL IN ALL THE DETAIL AND HAVE A DRAFT BUDGET FOR ME TO POST ON AUGUST THE FOURTH.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I MET FOR A LITTLE WHILE YESTERDAY ABOUT SOME THINGS, THE MAINLY MAIN THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND WE WENT OVER GREAT DETAIL, OF COURSE, WAS THE, UH, THE RAISES THE SALARY INCREASES FOR PEOPLE.
I WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE MONDAY, UH, AT A SITUATION WHERE I COULDN'T BE HERE AND Y'ALL HAD KIND OF GOT AWAY FROM THIS, UH, FLAT RATE AMOUNT AND SWUNG BACK TOWARDS A PERCENTAGE AMOUNT OF 5%.
AND, UH, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT SOME MORE AND USING THAT YOU NOT DISCUSS YESTERDAY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND DISCUSS, AND IF THAT'D BE SOMETHING ELSE FOR US TO DO MONDAY, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERN WAS THE INCREASE OF, UH, BOTTOM LINE, YOU KNOW, TAX BILL THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO GET FROM THIS.
AND, UH, WE, SOME OF US HAVE WORKED ON SOME THINGS INDIVIDUALLY THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, ARE GOING TO HELP WITH THAT CONCERN.
AND AT SOME POINT I WANT US TO KIND OF GET THAT OUT ON THE TABLE HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT TOO, SINCE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OR WE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION ON TUESDAY, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? WELL, I THINK, UH, SOME INFORMATION THAT, UH, SKEET HAS, MIGHT HELP EASE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE'S BOTTOM LINE, BOTTOM LINE TAX BILL.
UH, LIKE I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY IN OUR CONVERSATION, I'M NOT SEEING WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH.
UH, AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE COMING UP WITH SOME NUMBERS YOU WERE COMING UP WITH.
UH, DID YOU SAY THE SPREADSHEET THAT I SENT YOU LAST THIS MORNING? NO, I SENT YOU A EMAIL AND IT WAS EARLY.
IT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SEVEN OR SOMETHING, JUST A LITTLE TAX CALCULATOR THAT IT'S EASY TO MANIPULATE.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS AND IT'LL, IT'LL SHOW YOU IT'LL MOVE BACK AND FORTH BEING TAX RATE PERCENT INCREASE AND ALL THAT.
JUST SOMETHING THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SALARIES, UM, THE INCREASES, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, $10,000 AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S THROWING OUT THERE AND, UH, NOT THAT IT REALLY WASN'T FEASIBLE, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TOSS THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND WE DID, BUT I'VE RE FOUGHT.
THIS, LOOKED AT SOME OTHER THINGS TO TALK TO THE AUTHOR ABOUT A FEW MORE THINGS AND CAME UP OR WE CAME UP WITH, UH, A DIFFERENT IDEA THAT MIGHT BE MORE FEASIBLE TO DO AGAIN.
UH, BUT MY IDEA WAS TO ANYONE THAT'S AT 50,000 OR LESS WOULD GET A $10,000 INCREASE.
ANYONE OVER 50,000 UP TO 80,000 WOULD GET A $7,000 INCREASE IN ANYONE OVER $80,000 WOULD GET A $5,000 INCREASE, UH, THAT COMES OUT TO RIGHT AROUND A MILLION PLUS LESS THAN THE 10,000 FOR EVERYBODY IS WHAT IT CAME OUT TO YOUR TOTAL.
UM, LET'S SEE DOING IT THAT WAY.
IT COMES OUT TO 6 MILLION, 6 42, 28 AND 98 CENTS.
UM, IS THAT JUST FLAT OR DOES THAT INCLUDE THE EXTENDED BENEFIT? NO, THAT'S EVERYTHING.
THAT'S BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT'S NOT CALCULATED IN HERE THAT WILL MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, MAKE A SMALL DENT IN IT, UH, IS LIKE, UH, SOMETHING I'VE SAID BEFORE.
UH, I THINK THAT ANYONE THAT HAS RECEIVED A, UH, UH, I RAISE DURING THIS BUDGET YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE HAD AGREED TO, UH, WHEN WE DID THE LAST BUDGET, THAT AMOUNT THAT THEY RECEIVED SHOULD BE DEDUCTED FROM THESE AMOUNTS, UH, THAT I'M OFFERING.
UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF, OF LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MOVE ON
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THE EMPLOYEES, TO THE MIDPOINT? THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO THE FIRST YEAR, WE HAD, I THINK, 17 PEOPLE THAT WERE BELOW THE LOW RANGE AND WE MOVED ALL THOSE 17 PEOPLE UP.AND THE NEXT STEP THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED DOING WAS TO OUR GOAL WAS TO MOVE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY TO TRY TO MOVE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY, AT LEAST UP TO THE MID RANGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION TODAY WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT IS WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO DO THAT? WELL, HAVE YOU GOTTEN THOSE NUMBERS BACK YET? FROM THERE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE WHEN WE GOT HERE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE, I THOUGHT THAT BRANDY WOULD COME AND BRING THEM.
I ASKED KAREN TO PREPARE THAT AND SHE SAID, MEN RAINS AND CENTRAL.
GOT, I THOUGHT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT IT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH JUSTIN TO THE MID RANGE.
I THINK OF MOST OF THE ATTORNEYS WOULD BE PRETTY HAPPY WITHOUT BOOK THAT MOST OF THEIRS, LUMPS EVERYBODY UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AND SEE WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT ELEMENT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TAKING EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT SOME WAY THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT THE SAME GOAL IN MIND.
UH, I HAVE THE SAME GOLDEN MAN THAT, THAT TERRY HAS AND THAT MIKE HAS, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE ALMOST EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, WE'D DONE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THINGS FOR THEM.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT WE, WE WE'VE DONE SOME PRETTY DECENT THINGS.
WE GOT TO STEP PAYS IN FOR THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS, SINCE I'VE BEEN 17, WE'VE DONE THE THING WHERE WE MOVED 17 PEOPLE UP TO THE BOTTOM.
AND WE, IN THE SECOND DEAL, WE MOVED THE PEOPLE UP AND WE'VE DONE THE STUDIES.
AND NOW MY BIGGEST QUESTION WAS THAT TO ME, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE STUDY WAS IF WE MOVED EVERYBODY TO THE MID RANGE WITH THEM, WOULD THAT BE A FAIR PROCESS? OR SHOULD WE PUT A, UH, UH, LIKE A YEAR MARK OR LIKE KIND OF LIKE, UH, LONGEVITY, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON COMING IN NEXT TO HIM, HE GO RIGHT TO MID RANGE AND THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND YOU'RE DOING IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT SOME PEOPLE GET A LITTLE UPSET WHEN THEY'RE DOING A JOB AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB FOR SO MANY YEARS OR YOUR COMPANY, YOU HIRED ANOTHER PERSON IN THERE DOING IT, BUT IT DOESN'T LONGEVITY.
ISN'T AT THE POINT OF LONGEVITY.
BUT THIS IS KIND OF TAKING THE FORM OF A MERIT.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING THAT TO ALSO, SO, I MEAN, WHY DO YOU HAVE A BOTTOM LEVEL? WELL, SO HERE'S WHAT I WAS JUST TO ASK YOU.
AND HERE'S WHAT I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD DO TODAY, THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST D JUST AT THE TOTAL BOTTOM LINE, HOW MUCH IT COST TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MID RANGE.
AND IF IT COST, UH, $8 BILLION, THEN WE CAN'T DO IT IF IT COSTS A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
UH, SO, SO, UM, SO, AND THEN WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE END UP DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS, UH, THIS EMPLOYEE DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE THE MID RANGE HALFWAY TO THE MID RANGE, BUT THIS OTHER EMPLOYEE NEEDS TO BE MOVED ABOVE THE MID RANGE.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IS WHAT, WHAT WILL IT COST US IF WE JUST MOVED EVERYBODY? THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO HAVE EVERY EMPLOYEE AT THE MID RANGE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THAT'S NOT STILL OUR GOAL, THEN TO SEE THAT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THEM, THAT'D BE FINE.
SO YOU THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY AND EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR AN OPTION.
THIS SOME WE CAN ALL DISCUSS IT AND MOVE FORWARD AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THE WAY.
SO EVERY BENEFIT RIGHT NOW IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
WE AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS, IS THAT QUESTION, WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MID RANGE? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT COMES OUT COMPARED TO THAT.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN TWO AND $3 MILLION.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A BROAD PROJECTION.
IT, IT'S GOING TO COST $85,000 IN PRECINCT FOUR TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MID RANGE.
SO IF YOU JUST BY EXTENSION, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE SOME FLUCTUATION, BUT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR NUMBER.
IT'S GOING TO BE, I'D SAY CLOSER TO $3 MILLION TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MID RANGE.
AND I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT THAT'S THIS YEAR THAT HAS TO BE SUSTAINED YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN MAINTAIN THE ONLY, IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, YOU CAN FREEZE IT.
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IT.AND ANYTIME YOU WANT YOU DON'T, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T DO IT.
THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS COUNTY HAVE TO DO IT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, TAXPAYERS.
THEY ARE OUR PEOPLE, THE TAXPAYERS FIRST ARE OUR PEOPLE.
UM, AND ANYBODY, ANYBODY WHO'S ELECTED THAT DOESN'T THINK THAT TAXPAYERS ARE THERE, PEOPLE, IN MY OPINION, SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS JOB BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT.
I DON'T THINK HUNDRED WASTED THEM IN BRITAIN.
I DON'T THINK ONE PERSON UP HERE BELIEVED THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THE BEST FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.
WELL, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ADDING $8 MILLION TO THE SALARY BUDGET, I JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THAT'S NOT A REALISTIC NUMBER, PARTICULARLY IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN.
IF THERE'S A REALITY AND THE JUDGE HAS SHOWN YOU THE NUMBERS THAT THE TRUE PROJECTED NEXT FIVE QUARTERS OF, OF INFLATION IS ABOUT 4.4%.
BUT THEN THE NEXT, THE NEXT FIVE QUARTERS IN THIS AND OUR LOCALIZED AREA IS ABOUT 4.4 TO 4.5%.
WE'RE NOT IT'S BLOOMBERG NUMBER.
AND, UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD TRUST THEIR NUMBER MORE THAN I WOULD TRUST ANY OF YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT ECONOMIC SCIENCE SOURCES, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, I'M SORRY.
WELL, I'M STILL NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE QUARTERS, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE QUARTERS AGO AND B, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PAST IN WHAT, WHERE WE ARE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO DROP BACK DOWN TO THAT NUMBER.
I PROMISE YOU THE BACON'S NOT GOING TO GO BACK DOWN FROM $5 A POUND OR A DOLLAR A POUND.
I MEAN, GASOLINE'S GOING TO STAY UP JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE.
YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE OF BACON EITHER.
HOW ABOUT PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND IT'S NEVER GONE TO THEM.
A LOT OF THINGS THIS ALREADY GAS.
THERE'S NO GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT IT WAS THOUGH.
THAT'S THE, I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS EVERYBODY'S STRUGGLING.
WE GOT, HAVE WE GOT A FORECAST, RIGHT? SO WHO DO WE RELY ON THEM AT YOUR FOURTH? WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HE FORECASTED? WE COULD USE WHATEVER WE WANT TO USE, BUT EVEN THE VENDOR SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO RAISE SOCIAL SECURITY, 10.5 NOW.
WELL, 10.5 IS NOT A FEW FEET YESTERDAY ON THAT'S ON 10, FIVE.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THEY'RE ALL JUST THROWING NUMBERS AT THE WALL.
JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE WE'RE KIND OF DOING HERE, BUT THE, UH, THE THING OF IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS CALLED A DISCUSSION TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT WE'RE POSTING THE GRAPH BUDGET ON AUGUST THE MONTH, THEN WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT BETWEEN THEM.
CAUSE IF WE, IF WE DECIDE TO POST THE DRAFT BUDGET ON SEPTEMBER, THE FIRST, WE'LL STILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO I HAVE TO SAY AT A TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT WE CAN DISCUSS AND DISCUSS AND DISCUSS, BUT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS A DISCUSS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE DECIDED, DECIDED, SO WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM TALK.
WELL, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 5% AND THEN ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE 5% COST OF LIVING WAS WHERE WE LEFT THE OTHER DAY.
IT WAS A TWO TIER DEAL TO DEAL WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR COMPENSATION.
AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE 5% FOR COST OF LIVING.
AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SECOND DEAL TO ADJUST SALARIES.
AND THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
BUT THIS, THE TOTAL PACKAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE MID POINT ON THIS WITH A 5% COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
AND WHEN YOU SEE WHAT IT COSTS VERSUS PROPOSAL, THAT THEORY HAS THE DEAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF BANTER GOING BACK AND FORTH.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE WORKED FOR THE TAX PLAN, WHICH ARE WHAT, BUT WE ALSO WORK FOR OUR BOYS, BOYS.
WE ALSO WORKED FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
OUR EMPLOYEES WORKED FOR THE TAXPAYER.
SO I MEAN, AND THE TAX PAYER WON'T SERVICES, THEY WON'T ROSE.
THEY WON'T, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET STUFF THROUGH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
MAYBE NOT THE CRIMINAL SIDE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE, THEY WANT IT TO ALL WORK.
I MEAN, THEY WANT THE TAX OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION.
SO THEY WON'T GOOD EMPLOYEES TO PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WON'T, SO THEY DON'T MIND PAYING FOR A GOOD SERVICE.
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THINK WE'RE KINDA MISSING THAT.AND I KNOW MYSELF, I DON'T MIND PAYING A FEW EXTRA TAX DOLLARS TO ENSURE THAT I HAVE LAW LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING AND RESPONDING, AND I GET GOOD SERVICES WHENEVER I DEAL WITH THE COUNTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF, I MEAN, WE'VE GONE FROM REAL NUMBERS, WE'RE GONNA USE REAL NUMBERS.
DO WE GO TO THE PERCENTAGES? AND WE GO BACK TO REAL NUMBERS AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, SPENDING JUST KIND OF BACK AND FORTH.
SO WHAT I DID IS, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD MY TAX VALUES.
WE'VE ALL GOT OUR TAX MAPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY ALL THE CALCULATIONS, BUT JUST PERFECT.
I JUST TOOK THE TAX RATE THAT I PAID LAST YEAR AND I APPLIED THE SAME TAX RATE TO MY INCREASE VALUES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE TAX RATE WITH THESE FIGURES.
THAT'S YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MATHEMATICIAN TO FILL OUT THE TWO PAGE CALCULATION WORKSHEET.
BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO TRYING TO DO THAT.
SO I JUST TOOK WHAT WE KNOW AND JUST THE DIFFERENCE.
MY THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY, THE SAME TAX RATE, THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THEY SAID IT'S WORTH MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS WORTH LAST YEAR, $200, $5 FOR THE LAND AND $130 OR THREE PIECES OF PROPERTIES HAS TOLD HER DOLLARS.
I WOULD PAY HIM FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY TAXES.
NOW THE OTHER STUFF YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT, BUT JUST STRICTLY KAUFMAN COUNTY TAXES.
THAT'S IF THE TAX RATES STAY THE SAME, THAT'S THE INCREASE OF MONEY THAT I WOULD BE PAYING THE TAXES ON MY PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY.
IT WOULD RAISE THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE COUNTY IS COLLECTING BY 30% OR 30%.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE 30% OF WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I KNOW IS I'M TALKING TO, IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S PAYING FOR SERVICES.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T TO CALL THE CALL.
LAW ENFORCEMENT LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOW UP NOT 45 MINUTES WOULD SHOW UP WITHIN THE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND I KNOW IN THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF STUFF, YOURSELF, EMS, FIRE, EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE'S A DELAYED RESPONSE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE UNREASONABLE, DELAYED RESPONSE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOORS TO TAKE THE FARM OFFICER'S JOB.
WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOORS TO TAKE THE ENGINEERING JOB.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT KNOCKING DOWN THE DOOR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED AN HR DIRECTOR FOR OTHER FACTORS.
THAT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO THE KAUFMAN COUNTY.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU, GIVE YOU SOME FACTS.
UM, WE HAVE 400 ABOUT, WE HAVE 400 CIVILIAN NON LAW ENFORCEMENT, CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY.
SO I MEAN, THE DIALOGUE HAS BEEN THAT WE CAN'T HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE OUR WAGES ARE TOO LOW.
WELL, WE'VE GOT 14 CIVILIAN JOBS POSTED IN THE COUNTY AND A FORUM IN THE DA'S OFFICE.
AND I THINK ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED AND JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO.
SO TO SAY THAT WE, WE CAN'T STAFF OUR COUNTY, THE FACTS, THE FACTS DON'T BEAR THAT OUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 14 CIVILIAN JOBS POSTED OUT OF 400.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD FIND A COMPANY OR A CITY, ANY PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE 3%.
IF THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR 3% PEOPLE, THAT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER.
SO WE ARE KEEPING OUR COUNTY STAFFED UP.
SO SHOW ALSO TO, TO, TO PAINT THIS ISSUE WITH A BROAD BRUSH AND SAY, FOR INSTANCE, BRING IN FIRE SERVICE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SUPPORTING THE FIRE SERVICE THAT'S ITS OWN TAX AND GET TO D THAT'S NOT IN OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT LIVING IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S NOT THE WILD WEST AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE EXTENDED RESPONSE TIMES.
AND I DON'T THINK I SAID ANYTHING THAT WE SUPPORT THEM.
AND SECOND AND SECOND, MY POINT IS THAT THROWING MONEY AT A PROBLEM HAS NOT PROVEN TO BE A FIX IN THE PAST, NOT A YEAR AGO, THE SHERIFF WAS IN THERE AND HE HAD TO HAVE 3%, HAD
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TO HAVE A 3% RAISE AND GOT IT.NOTHING HAS CHANGED STILL NOT ABLE TO RECRUIT, UH, STILL HAVE VACANCIES.
UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN MANAGEMENT, THERE'S MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT GO INTO RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION BEYOND SALARY SALARY IS ALWAYS THIRD OR FOURTH ON THE LIST FOR THOSE ISSUES.
UH, AND WE HAVE A TENDENCY UP HERE TO, TO WORD SMITH, UH, AND COMPARE APPLES TO ORANGES.
YOU START LOOKING AT, FOR INSTANCE, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES PAY.
WE NEVER FACTOR IN FROM THE SHERIFF'S OWN MOUTH, THE 11 TO $15,000 BENEFIT THAT A TAKE HOME CAR IS THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN A MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE, BECAUSE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MY WAY OF THINKING IS TO MANAGE THIS ORGANIZATION AND THROUGH GOOD ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT BY EXTENSION, THE EMPLOYEES ARE BENEFITED, BUT THROWING MONEY AT A PROBLEM IS NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION QUALITY MANAGEMENT IS IF 50% FACTOR.
WELL, ALL THAT SAID, UH, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS OUR EMPLOYEES NEED TO RAISE.
AND PROBLEM THAT I SEE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IT'S BECOME A TRAINING ACADEMY.
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS WHEN HE HAS PEOPLE LEAVING AT THE RATE THAT HE HAS.
THEY TELL HIM STRAIGHT UP, I'M GOING TO TERRELL, I'M GOING TO FORCE HIM BECAUSE IT PAYS MORE MONEY.
HE CAN'T COMPETE AS IT IS THAT 3% OR WHATEVER WE GAVE HIM.
LAST TIME, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
OH, AND NEVER TERRIBLE OR WHATEVER THIS GOES INTO UPSTAIRS UP SALARY.
IF YOU'RE A YEAR BEHIND OR TWO YEARS BEHIND YOU'RE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS BEHIND THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET THESE, THESE OTHER NUMBERS WHEN KAREN CAN GET THAT TO US.
AND THAT'LL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE WE'D BE AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DISAGREE WITH KEN HEN.
I'VE DISCUSSED THIS FOR TOO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THROWING MONEY AT A SITUATION, THROWING MONEY AT A SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK AND I'LL BE, YOU KNOW, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
WE DO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTY, BUT I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND I BELIEVE OUR TAXPAYERS KNOW THAT, THAT THEY WANT GOOD QUALITY PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME LONGEVITY BEHIND THEM AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ROOKIES HANDLING EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME.
YOU NEED GOOD PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
AND, UH, IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEM AND THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME REPLACING THEM.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEEDING SOME PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT IT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING OUR PEOPLE NOW TO REPLACE THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE AND WE WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND I, FOR ONE, AS A CITIZEN OUT HERE PAYING TAXES, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT COSTS ME AND MY FAMILY, AN EXTRA 150, 200, $300 A YEAR, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THE SAFETY END OF IT, ESPECIALLY THEN I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, I'M JUST ONE VOICE ON THAT, BUT I'VE TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR CRIME WATCH MEETINGS AND ELMO EVERY MONTH, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO THAT.
UH, THE SHERIFF MADE HIS PRESENTATION THERE AND NO ONE HAS STATED TO SAY, ABSOLUTELY, I'M WILLING TO PAY THAT EXTRA MONEY TO NUMB THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GOOD QUALITY LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH SOME TIME BEHIND HIM.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SHORTENED, UH, RESPONSE TIMES GETTING AN OFFICER OUT HERE.
AND I SUGGEST THAT WE TRY TO SEPARATE THE CAUSE.
I THINK IT'S TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WAGES AND ALL THAT STRUCTURE FOR CIVILIAN WORKFORCE, AS OPPOSED TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORKFORCE.
I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WILL BE BETTER IF WE TALK ABOUT THEM SEPARATELY.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? DOES EVERYBODY SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? JUST TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS? YEAH.
I THINK ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF MOVING PARTS HERE, BUT WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF PRESENTATIONS AND PEOPLE HAVE MADE COMPELLING CASES THAT THEY NEED EXTRA PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED MORE STAFF.
WE JUST HEARD THIS MORNING THAT WE NEED MORE STAFF.
SO I HAVEN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE A BUDGET.
I MEAN, HAVE WE MADE ANY DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON A GRANT, EVERY REQUEST FOR NEW STAFF? NO, WE HAVEN'T TOLD ANYBODY STANDING UP HERE.
WHAT'S THE NEW STAFF GOING TO COST BECAUSE IF YOU HAD 10 PEOPLE,
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12 PEOPLE, THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT YOUR COST OF LIVING IN THE OUT YEARS, UH, YOUR, YOUR BUDGET REQUIRED OR YOUR SALARY REQUIREMENTS IN THE OUT YEARS.SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET A COST OF WHAT'S THIS ENHANCED GOVERNMENT THAT, THAT WE'RE ALL SAYING WE NEED.
AND THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE SAYING THEY NEED WHAT'S THAT GOING TO COST? I THINK THE FIRST, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WERE GOING TO GET DONE TODAY.
LET'S LOOK AT THE, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO GO BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL GOAL OF MOVING EVERY EMPLOYMENT, THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL TO MOVE EVERY EMPLOYEE TO THE MIDPOINT.
NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO THAT? THEN IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S AN UNMANAGEABLE NUMBER, THEN WE PROBABLY, THAT PUTS US IN THE BOX OF HAVING TO TELL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE ASKING, WE'RE PUT US IN THE BOX OF HAVING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ADD THESE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MIDPOINT AND ADD ALL THESE PEOPLE.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION KEN, UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THAT MID POINT.
CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA, YOU SAY TWO, $3 MILLION AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO FUND? AND THEN WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST CIVILIAN DISCUSSION.
AND I MEAN THAT, AND THAT'S MY POINT THAT THERE ARE THESE SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, COMPETING COMPONENTS.
THERE'S A 5% RAISE, PERHAPS 5% COST OF LIVING.
THERE'S THE COST OF NEW ADDED EMPLOYEES.
THERE'S THE COST OF, UM, MID RANGE ADJUSTMENTS OF CURRENT STAFFING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS.
WE HAD SEVERAL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND I THINK SOME ELECTEDS THAT CAME BACK TO US CUTTING WHILE THEY'D ORIGINALLY ASKED ME AND WE HAD THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN ADJUSTED SPREADSHEET AT KAREN AND THIS WAS PLUS TWO.
WE, WE TOLD DENNIS, SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT FOR A MEANINGFUL ADJUSTMENT TO THE SALARY.
I MEAN THE GIVE AND TAKE ON THE DEAL, YOU KNOW? AND NOT EVERYBODY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT SOMETIMES YOU WANT THE DEPARTMENT, YOU JUST CAN'T DO WITH THAT.
WELL, PEOPLE DO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DEAL WITH PEOPLE.
DID I THINK ALL THE CONSTABLES GOT KIND OF OUT THERE, NEW EMPLOYEES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND SEE WHAT THE STATUS IS WITH THE AUDITOR? AND MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDA OFF TRACKS, BUT WHAT I GUESS I WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO TWO THINGS.
LET'S NOT, WE CAN'T INTERRUPT THEIR MEETING.
AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO ONE OR TWO THINGS.
EITHER RECESS COME BACK AFTER LUNCH OR RECESS AND JUST PICK THIS BACK UP AGAIN ON MONDAY, EITHER WAY.
I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME FOR PARENTS TO GET PAST WHAT SHE'S GOING TO GETTING PAST.
AND THEN SHE'S GOT TO ROUND UP, I GUESS YOU'VE ASKED HER TO GO OUT AND ROUND UP THOSE NOVELS.
I ASKED HER THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WHEN SHE SAID THEY WOULD DO IT, KIND OF GOT TO GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER TO PRESENT SOMETHING WE NEED TO WHICH AND WHY WE DO IT.
IF WE RESIST TODAY AND THEN GIVE THEM AMPLE TIME TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER.
YOU WANT TO START, OR YOUR MONDAY ONE 30 OR QUEENSLAND, CAN'T WRITE, IT'S POSTED.
NOW THAT'S POSTED HERE, YOUR HONOR.
UH, I WOULD SAY LET'S JUST REBOOT ON MONDAY.
WAS THAT, DID WE OBJECT TO THAT? NO.
I THINK THAT'S GIVES THEM TIME TO, YEAH.
WE WERE GETTING READY TO LEAVE MOUNT BOND LUNCH.
WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO PULLING IT.
I ASKED MS. TERESA, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE MS. TERESA? IS IT OKAY IF I GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED,
THOSE SHEETS IS WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
WE, UH, WE LEARNED SOME STUFF RIGHT UP THERE WHERE WE CAN HEAR YOU TALKING, HONEY.
THE TAX PAPERS, CALCULATION WORKSHEETS ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY COMPLEX AND CONFUSING.
SO WHEN SHE BROUGHT ME THE TAX RIGHTS AFTER THE FED, BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THEM AND I WANTED THEM EXPLAINED.
SO SHE WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THE EXPERT AND WE HAD SOME STUFF WRONG.
ONE WAS MINE, SOME WAS THEIRS, WE GOT IT FIXED.
BUT IT COMES OUT WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY AND ROAD
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AND BRIDGE ADDED TOGETHER.THEN WE DID COFFIN COUNTY ALONE AND THEY HAD RE-DONE BRIDGE ONLY AND BACKED OUT DEAD.
SO I WANT HER TO EXPLAIN TO YOU, WE HAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE FROM NOT ADOPTING THE ACTUAL RATE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ADOPTED TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
SO YOU'RE CARRYING PENNIES FORWARD.
AND I'M GOING TO LET HER TELL YOU ALL, I'M PASSING THIS SCENARIO NOW.
ARE WE GOING TO DO WHAT I, WHAT I WAS NUMBER ONE, JOB.
NUMBER ONE TODAY WAS THE US TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST TO MOVE PEOPLE FROM WHERE THEY ARE TO MID-RANGE.
DO WE HAVE THAT IMPACT? I'VE GOT THAT FOR YOU, BUT I WANTED TO TURN HER LOOSE BECAUSE SHE WAS TRYING TO HELP ME, SIR.
SO ON THE UNUSED IT'S CALLED THE UNUSED INCREMENT, RIGHT? IS SO WHEN YOU ADOPTED YOUR RIGHT, THEY GO BACK THREE YEARS.
SO IT DIDN'T START UNTIL I THINK 2020.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVEN A WHOLE PENNY, BUT WE DID CARRY OVER 10 PANTIES FROM LAST YEAR.
LESS THAN WHAT YOU COULD HAVE ADOPTED IT AT.
SO YOU HAVE 10 PENNIES TO CARRY OVER.
SO YOU HAVE ON YOUR WORKSHEET, YOU HAVE YOUR VOTER APPROVAL, RIGHT? OKAY.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT WITHOUT THE 10 CENTS AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT WITH THE 10 CENTS.
YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE BECAUSE THE VOTER APPROVAL RIGHT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT LINE IS ON.
SO THE LINE THAT MINE, I DIDN'T GET THAT, MAN.
YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE WHOLE TAX, RIGHT.
WHAT IS IT? THE TAX RATE THAT YOU CAN ADOPT IS OKAY.
AND YOU CAN ADD 10 PENNIES TO THAT.
YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM THERE TO 10 PENNIES UP FOR THE KAUFMAN COUNTY.
ONLY THE ROAD IN BRIDGE IS SEPARATE.
THAT'S THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.
THAT'S THE VOTER APPROVAL, RIGHT? I GOT YOU.
SO, IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THESE ARE THE RATES THAT ARE UNDER THE NEW, UNDER THE CAP LAW.
THESE ARE THE RATES THAT WE MAINTAINED OUR ELIGIBILITY, UH, BUT THAT WE OPTED IN THE LAST TWO BUDGET YEARS TO CUT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OUR BUDGET CUTTING 20, ALMOST 22%.
IF WE WERE TO GO TO THIS RATE, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR NOW.
WE'D BE BACK TO AS IF WE NEVER CUT THE TAX RATES.
WELL, NOT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE YOUR TAX RATE WENT DOWN THIS YEAR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, VOTER APPROVAL RATE WAS DOWN THIS YEAR FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.
SO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET, EVEN LIKE, YOU COULDN'T EVEN ADOPT A RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE THIS YEAR, UNLESS YOU HAD THESE PENNIES, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS.
THE FIGURES ARE TAKING IT DOWN THREE TIMES.
SENSE JUST FROM DOING THE FIGURE AND THE GROWTH RIGHT THERE BY ITSELF.
IT WENT DOWN BY ITSELF WITH THE CALCULATIONS.
AND SO THE ADOPTED THE VOTER APPROVAL, RIGHT.
THAT YOU HAVE IS, LIKE I SAID, THE 0.34585.
THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT YOU ADOPTED LAST YEAR WITH THE MNO AND NINE S RIGHT.
BUT YOU CAN GO UP TO WHAT YOU HAD LAST YEAR, BECAUSE YOU DID SAVE PENNIES THE YEARS BEFORE.
WHY IS IT A GOOD THING? BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU CAN, IT WIPES OUT THE TAX CUT FROM LAST YEAR, BUT DIDN'T COMPLETELY WIPE IT OUT.
WELL, IT WILL IMPACT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE LESS PENNIES TO PUT IN YOUR BANK, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'LL STILL BE THERE.
UH, WE'LL LOSE THEM RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RATE AND DOLLARS.
THERE IS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT TAX RATE THAT THAT CANNOT SEEM TO KEEP THAT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.
WHEN I WRITE MY CHECK, I DON'T WRITE A TAX RATE.
I WRITE DOLLARS COURSE, AND I WISH I COULD.
I WAS SMARTER TO GET EVERYBODY TO THINK IN THAT SAME DIRECTION, BECAUSE TAX RATE IS JUST ANOTHER, THE TAX RATE IS THE END RESULT.
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YOU HAVE ASSESSED VALUE, AND THEN YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT.AND THAT'S WHAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR TAX RATE IS.
WE DON'T TAKE A TAX RATE JUST BECAUSE WE CAN CHARGE A THREE, FOUR OR FIVE TAX RATE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY THAT WOULD RAISE FOR THE COUNTY, BUT A TON.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CAP BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL THIS ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ON THE TAX ROLLS, SO, OKAY.
UH I'M I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO ADOPT.
I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN RAISE TONS OF MONEY IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT UNDER THE, BECAUSE WE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE DIDN'T, WE, WE DIDN'T SPEND UP TO THE MAX LAST TIME AND THAT GIVES US ROOM.
WE CAN TAX MORE, BUT WE, WE DON'T EVEN NEED THE RECAPTURE.
CAUSE WE, I MEAN, UNLESS WE WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW MANY MORE DOLLARS DO WE NEED? THERE'S AN OPTION THERE.
I MEAN, BUT THE BIG THING THAT I GOT OUT OF WHAT SHE SAID IS JUST HER FINGERS AS LOW AS THE TAX RATE 3 CENTS.
AND I KNOW YOU SAY THE TAX RATE IS LET'S DO IT, BUT EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT STILL COSTS YOU THREE $50 MORE, EVEN LAUREN AT 300.
I USED THE SAME RATE AS LAST YEAR.
SO I ASKED MY ACCOUNTANT THE 3 CENTS.
SO EVERY TIME THAT WE TALK ABOUT A RAISE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THE TAX RATE GENERATES.
AND THAT IMMEDIATELY IT'S SAID, WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RAISE IF SOMEBODY SAYS NO.
EVEN MAKING THE DECISIONS AT THE LOWER END.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO STAY WITHIN SOME TYPE OF SEMBLANCE OF A TAX, RIGHT.
BUT WE, BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH ROOM.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT OUR KEPT OR OUR VOTER APPROVED.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE ARE THE CAMPUS? I'M NOT SAYING SPIN IT.
AND NOBODY'S GOT TO FIT IN THIS BOX.
SO WE KNOW NOW THAT WE CAN INCREASE OUR RATE TO THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE OR WHATEVER, AND WE LOWER OUR RIGHT TO 3, 4, 5 IN MY RIDE.
THE VOTER, RIGHT? WITHOUT THE 10 SENTENCES, THE THREE BREEDS WITH THIS, THE THREE.
THAT, THAT AMOUNT IS WITHOUT IT.
THERE IS AN AMOUNT IN HERE WITH IT.
UH, LET'S SEE THAT AMOUNT WITH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE IS 0.4 1 6 2 6 2.
THAT INCLUDES THE ROAD IN BRIDGE.
SO THE ROAD IN BRIDGE IS LIKE, I THINK 7 CENTS.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST SHEET THAT SAYS PER BASE FROM TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.
I'LL THAT SHEETS I DID FOR YOU.
UH, BRANDY WAS LISTENING TO THE MEETING AND WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME STUFF.
SO SHE'S DONE THIS PROJECTION FOR A YOUNG FIXED AND A PASS OUT.
BUT IF YOU USE THE PROPOSED SAME TAX RATE, YOUR AVERAGE INCREASE TO TAXPAYER WOULD BE $193 AND 18 CENTS A YEAR, WHICH IS $16 AND 10 CENTS PER MONTH.
LET ME, LET ME, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I WANT TO, WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN IN THAT WHAT YOU ALL PRODUCE FOR US.
WE WANT, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT TAX RATES OR ANY OF THAT.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST FOR US TO MOVE OUR EMPLOYEES FROM WHERE THEY ARE NOW TO THE MIDPOINT TOTAL.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
SO Y'ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR US.
THAT'S IT? THIS CIVILIAN ONLY THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S YOUR COLON DEAL? SO THAT FROM EVERYBODY, RIGHT? WAIT A SECOND.
SO THIS FIRST PAGE, IT SAYS SUMMARY OF WAGE ADJUSTMENTS.
THAT'S ONLY THE COLA, RIGHT? NO.
SO THE FI NICOLA IS GOING TO CALL IT A 5%.
COLA WILL COST US 1,000,009 TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THE MIDPOINT WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL TOTAL WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL MILLION, 8 71.
SO TO DO THOSE TWO THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE, FIVE, RIGHT?
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AND I SAY THAT THE 5% THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT, THAT, THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE MOVING PEOPLE TO THE MIDPOINT.WE AGREE WITH THE 5%, YET THE OTHER DAY WITH THE SECOND HALF BEING SOME TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO THE 5% IS DECIDED I'M GOING TO DO IT THE OTHER DAY.
I'M TRYING TO 5% PLUS THE ADJUSTMENT.
BUT WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE 5%.
CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
SO NOW WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE TO THE MIDPOINT.
BUT I HAVEN'T, I CAN'T WHERE YOU GETTING THE NUMBERS.
TOTAL CURRENT SECOND PAGE OR THE RIGHT AFTER THE COVER PAGE.
THAT'S THE INCREASE FOR THE COLA FOR THE GENERAL.
AND I GUESS IF YOU JUST DRAW A LINE UNDER THAT, AND THIS IS THE PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN HERE.
IF WE MOVE, THIS IS TOTAL NUMBERS WITH OUR CURRENT STAFF, NOT INCLUDING THE PROPOSED NEW POSITIONS, THAT'S JUST CURRENT STAFF.
THE CURRENT STAFF THAT, WHAT THESE SCHOLARS, CIVILIAN, BUT NO ELECTEDS AND NO SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THERE'S A TREASURER IN THERE IS THAT HAVE ELECTED ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THERE ALSO GDP USER IN 5%.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BOTTOM PART.
I THINK HIS QUESTION WAS SO THE 5% INCLUDES EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE PAYROLL SPREADSHEET AT THIS MOMENT.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED EVERGREEN MIDPOINT ADJUSTMENTS, IT'S EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR KSM AND THOSE TYPES OF, SO ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDED LIKE COUNTY JUDGE.
SO WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ALL EMPLOYEES PLUS INCLUDING ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THEIR MIDPOINT POINT, RIGHT.
THIS, UM, NOW, UH, I WILL GO BACK.
DID WE HAVE A TOTAL FOR ALL OF THAT LOOKING AT, OH, IS THIS JUST SALARIES AND NOT A TOTAL COST? DID Y'ALL CALCULATE WHAT THE TOTAL MEDIAS? WELL, YOU FIGURE WHAT ABOUT 16%? 16, 17% FOR BENEFITS.
SO YOU COULD WRITE THAT NUMBER DOWN AT 2 MILLION, 180 9 TO 91 89, 2 0 3, 2 MILLION, 2 MILLION, 189, 2 0 3, SORRY TO POINT TO, OH YEAH.
WELL I ALWAYS LEAVE THE PENNIES OFF KAREN.
UM, SO, SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK AND THAT'S IT THE 1 8, 7 1 OR YOU'RE YOU'RE TAKING THE WHOLE TOTAL UP TO 2, 1 8, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT IT I'M GETTING A PART OF IT.
HERE'S THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED WHILE AGO? UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WE MIGHT MOVE IF WE HAVE, UH, TWO CLERKS, ONE HAS BEEN HERE TWO YEARS NOW.
THEY HAD JUST STARTED AND WE MOVED THEM BOTH.
IN THE MID POINT, YOU WERE SAYING, YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE, BUT I, I KNOW, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
AND I SAID, WHAT I SAID WAS WOULD IT, ME? AND I SAID, WOULD THIS BE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALL TO TALK ABOUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY OUT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS.
THEY ALWAYS SAY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE BRINGING SOMEBODY IN AND PUTTING THEM AT THIS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THEM SAID SOMETHING TO ME.
OTHER THAN THAT, I SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
IF THEY'RE DOING THE SAME JOB, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE TO ME? THEY'RE DOING THE SAME JOB.
I THINK LONGEVITY TAKES CARE OF IT.
I THINK LONG GIVEN HE TAKES CARE OF A LOT.
I'M JUST, I WAS JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE CAUSE SOMEBODY BRINGS IT UP.
SO I'M JUST, I JUST WANT EVERY
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OPTION THAT ON THE TABLE THAT WE'RE TALKING.UH, LET'S LOOK AT, GIVE US A, UH, LET'S LOOK, I'M TRYING TO PICK A ONE.
THAT'S KIND OF LET'S LOOK AT THE COUNTY CLERK, THIRD LINE DOWN.
IT'S GOING TO COST $85,952 TO MOVE ALL OF THE COUNTY CLERKS, PEOPLE TO THE MIDPOINT.
RIGHT? HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT WE, UH, WE TELL THE COUNTY CLERK, UH, HERE'S $85,952.
UH, YOU ALLOCATE THAT TO THE PEOPLE THE WAY YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON.
I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I'M NOT SAYING THE COUNTY CLERK IN PARTICULAR.
I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE ALL, I MEAN, IN THEORY IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT UNFORTUNATELY HUMANS ARE HUMANS AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME AND MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE TREATED THIS WAY.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, WHAT I SAY, SHE HAS A SAY THERE'S A IN THAT OFFICE IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND IS MAYBE NOT PERFORMING AS WELL AS THE PERSON THAT'S BEEN THERE.
MAYBE THEY GOT A, THEY GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S REALLY SUPER PRODUCTIVE AND MAYBE WANT TO, MAYBE SHE WOULD WANT TO GIVE THAT PERSON A LARGER, WELL, I JUST, I JUST, WE GOT THE MID POINTS THERE FOR A REASON.
IF WE HAVE A MID POINT RANGE, THEN I'M OPEN FOR THAT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MID POINT RANGE.
WE HAVE A MID POINT AND A CLERK IS A CLERK.
IF THEY DON'T PERFORM YOU, COUNSEL THEM.
IF YOU CAN'T COUNSEL THEM, GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
I HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT PERFORM, BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SUPER PERFORMANCE.
I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I JUST THINK THAT YOU JUST THAT HUMAN KNIGHT, THAT HUMAN DEAL.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT WHENEVER I TOOK THE JOB THAT I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, I COME IN HOW COME THIS GUY IS SO FAR BELOW EVERYBODY ELSE SO-AND-SO DIDN'T LIKE HIM.
SO HE WENT TO GO GET HIM A RICE.
YOU KNOW, CIVIL SERVICE ORGANIZATION.
AND IT'S HUMAN NATURE THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS, BUT IT REALLY SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT, WELL, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD MAKE THE SAME.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER, BUT ANYWAY, SO I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED WHEN WE STARTED JUST, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE MID POINT, THEN WE JUST MEET THE MID POINT.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, BEFORE THEY MAKE A DECISION ON ANYWHERE, I'M GOING TO NEED SOME HELP WITH THE NUMBERS.
I KNOW, I KNOW VALUES WITH, UH, MY IS GOING TO GO DOWN.
THE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO GO WHERE THEIR DOLLARS ARE GOING.
I KNOW, BUT I NEED TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ENOUGH DOLLARS TO DO WHAT I NEED TO DO FOR THE CITIZENS AND PAY MY EMPLOYEES WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY HIM.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I NEED TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS FOR MY ROAD AND BRIDGE.
AND I, AND I, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT CALCULATION.
I KNOW, AND THIS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT DOES HAVE MODEL REVENUES TOO.
WHAT ABOUT EVEN JUST GOING TO WORK? IF WE MOVED EVERYBODY TO THE MID POINT, THAT'S A 2.2 MILLION IMPACT, RIGHT? WHAT IF YOU JUST, THIS YEAR MOVED EVERYONE TO THE MIDPOINT AND DIDN'T, AND DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T TAKE ON A 5% COLA BECAUSE MOVING EVERYBODY TO THE MIDPOINT IS A PRETTY GOOD RACE IN AND OF ITSELF.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE SUGGESTING SALARIES, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE SONG WITH SNORE VICE TO TRY AND GET IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WE BOUGHT IN ON THAT TWO YEARS AGO.
SO, SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW WITH THE VALUES GOING UP TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE COST OF LIVING.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE COST OF LIVING IS.
AND IF WE DECIDE ON THE 5%, WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO DO SOMETHING I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE NEED THIS RIGHT HERE.
IT JUST SALARIES AND THEIR SPREADS.
OUT LOUD, FORGET LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE'VE GOT TO COME OUT WITH SOME KIND OF CALCULATION TO DO.
AND THAT'S WHY SINCE THE LAW, SINCE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IN OUR, NOT EVEN IN HERE, IT'S JUST SUCH A DIFFERENT, IT'S JUST SUCH A DIFFERENT THING.
HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST.
WE, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK ON MONDAY, UH, WE CAN TAKE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUEST
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AND PLUGGED THEM IN THERE.THAT'S WHAT, 3 MILLION OR MORE NET.
WE HAVE THREE INVESTIGATORS IN THERE.
SO WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT, THAT NUMBER FOR YOU IT'S AFTER.
SO THAT'S THE SPENDING REQUEST.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SPINNING REQUEST.
AND THAT'S GOING TO TRANSLATE INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR TAXES.
AND THEN I'M, I, I, YOU KNOW, I STILL, AS I TOLD YOU, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD START OFF WITH HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO INCREASE OUR TAXES AND THEN SEE WHAT WE CAN FIT INTO THAT.
I HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION TO BOUNCE OFF OF.
YOU DID NOT ASK HIM FOR DECISION, BUT, UM, I TALKED TO THE AUDITORS YESTERDAY THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT ASK OUR DEPARTMENT TO DO IS TO, SINCE WE'RE FOCUSED SO MUCH ON WAGES TO ASK OUR DEPARTMENTS TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE PROJECTED TO SPEND THIS YEAR ON PAPERCLIPS AND JUST USE THAT NUMBER FOR THEIR BUDGET NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONLY 50, THAT'S ONLY 20% OF OUR BUDGET, THE MATERIALS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I THINK THAT I THINK THEY COULD MEET THAT GOAL.
AND IF WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT CONTINGENCY, WE COULD TELL THEM IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A HUNDRED DOLLARS ON PAPERCLIPS THIS YEAR, AND NEXT YEAR, YOU NEED TO SPEND 110 YOU'D COME TO US FOR, TO TAKE THAT OUT, TO CONTINUE TO SEE, AND WE'LL HELP YOU.
THE ONLY WILDCARD THERE'S FUEL REFUEL FUEL IS MIGHT NEED, YOU MIGHT NEED TO BE SEPARATE.
AND THAT MADE ME NEED TO CARVE OUT.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S SO VOLATILE AND FUEL IS NOT REALLY AN OPTION EITHER.
I'LL BE
WE WERE GOING TO BUY SOME OF THOSE MINI CARS.
I THINK PROPOSAL PUT THEM ALL ON MOTORCYCLES.
THEM, THEY WRECK 11 TIMES AND THEN I THINK THEY FINALLY GOT A MAIL.
UM, SO, SO HOW ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY, KAREN? YOU DIDN'T GET THIS, MAKE SOME NOTES.
WE, UH, MONDAY WE TALK ABOUT, WE HAD MIDPOINT, I'LL INCLUDE THIS IN AN EMAIL TO YOU KAREN MONDAY.
WE'LL WE'LL ADD THE MIDPOINT PLUS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUEST AND YES, MA'AM THE NUMBER FOR LAW? ENFORCEMENT'S 2 MILLION, 193,000.
THAT'S DOES THAT INCLUDE THE INVESTIGATORS AND ALL THAT? SHE DIDN'T ASK WHY IT NEEDS TO BE.
LET'S, LET'S GO FLOAT THAT NUMBER UNTIL WE'RE SURE WE GOT EVERYTHING.
UM, SO, SO MONDAY WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MIDPOINT, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUEST THE 5%, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEART-TO-HEART DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH WHAT'S THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACT ON THAT.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK, I'M GOING TO ASK EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS FOR A NUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GIVE IT TO ME OR NOT, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU FOR A DOLLAR REVENUE NUMBER, MIKE, AS FAR AS THE, I THINK, AS FAR AS, AND BRIDGE AND M AND O I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, WE OUGHT TO JUST ADD THOSE TOGETHER.
AND THEN, WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUT HOW TO SPLIT IT.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO COMPENSATE MY PEOPLE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ROADS.
AND I KNOW IF WE'RE REDUCING THE TAX RATE, EVEN THOUGH THE VALUES HAVE GONE UP, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
YOU'LL GET MORE MONEY JUST LIKE WE DO EVERY YEAR.
YOU'LL GET MORE BENDABLE MONEY, BUT $50,000 OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A BIT, I HAVE BEEN AT A BEAT JUMPING IN MY BUDGET EVERY YEAR TO COMPENSATE THE NUMBERS THAT I JUST SAW FOR THE RICE.
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ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER AT THIS POINT, AND THEN WORRY ABOUT SPLITTING IT UP AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THE BATH WORKS, WHERE I COULD COME SEE MY PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M DOING NOW.AND THOSE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR MONDAY FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, WE ALSO GOING TO GIVE THEM THE 5% ON TOP OF WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH THEM OR IS THAT JUST NON LAW ENFORCEMENT FULLY OPEN QUESTION.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS, DO YOU SEE WHERE WE LAND? IF WE CAN MEET WHAT BRIAN WAS ASKING FOR? I THINK THAT'D BE HUGE IN ITSELF.
SO LISTENING FOR FIVE K PER MAN.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND TOP OF THAT.
ARE WE GOING TO CONSUME, I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING AT A BIG LUMP LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A FEW OF THEM WERE OUT OF THE WORD OUT OF THE 5%, 5%.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
EVERYBODY KINDA, KINDA AGREED ON THAT.
THEY'VE KICKED THEM TO, WHAT WOULD THEY KICK THEM TO 56? WHAT IS NO, AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IS NOBODY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE, THEIR RAISE IS GOING TO BE HANDLED AS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FROM THE CIVILIAN SIDE, THE CIVILIAN SIDE IS GETTING FIVE, MAYBE 5% COLA PLUS THE COST TO MOVE THEM TO THE MIDPOINT.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY IN THAT MID RANGE.
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE, THEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE MOOD OF THE, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ABOVE THE RANGE.
AND THEY'RE NOT, UM, NO THEN, UH, BUT WELL, JUDGE THAT WE'VE ADJUSTED AND RESTRUCTURED AND I'VE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD SIZE RACIST THAT NEEDS TO BE DEDUCTED AND MYSELF, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO LIVE WITH THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE BIG NUMBER RIGHT NOW AND THEN NUMBER AND THEY GET THAT NUMBER AS WELL.
SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THOSE RAISES WERE AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
I THINK THAT'S WAS HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN BANKS.
IT'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH TO STACK ON FOR MONDAY, BUT THE OTHER THING I HAD TO MONDAY WAS TALKING ABOUT ONCE WE GET THESE NUMBERS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT NEW POSITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT ON MONDAY OR NOT.
THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE PART OF OUR TUESDAY DISCUSSION.
A FEW MINUTES DINNER WE'LL STAY AROUND AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BUY PIZZA OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DOORS ARE GOING TO BE LOCKED AND BOLTED.
SO WHEN WE ONLY GET OUT OF HERE, WE HAVE A BATHROOM.
LET ME SAY, WELL, THAT'S FOR TUESDAY.
LET ME SUGGEST FOR TUESDAY, YOU BRING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DRINK.
CAUSE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING BEVERAGES, NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, PLEASE.
I'M NOT ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS QUICKER.
SO I'M GOING TO EMAIL YOU KAREN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT AND UH, WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MOVED TO ADJOURN.
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