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[Call to Order]
THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER.TODAY IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 2ND, 2022 IT'S 9:00 AM.
AND WE ARE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE ANNEX.
UH, WE WILL START OUR MEETING OFF TODAY.
COMMISSIONER BARBARA IS GOING TO LEAD US IN AN INVOCATION AND COMMISSIONER.
KATIE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGES.
IF YOU WILL PLEASE STAND OH RIGHT WITH ME, PLEASE.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
AND WE WANT TO COME TO YOU, UH, ASKING YOU, PLEASE HELP US OUT WITH SOME OF THIS HOT WEATHER AND BRING US SOME RAIN.
UH, THE FIRES HAVE BEEN HORRENDOUS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE JUST ABOUT DONE WITH IT.
PLEASE BE WITH THEM, CONTINUE TO BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM SAFE AS WELL AS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR MILITARY BE WITH US ALL IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE HEAT ONE STATE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
WELL, WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE TODAY.
UM, I, WE DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR ME, BUDDY.
SO APPARENTLY NONE OF OUR GUESTS HERE ARE WILLING TO SPEAK UNLESS THEY ARE PRESENTING A ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE]
THIS IS SORT OF ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE, OUR FIRE MARSHALL AND PAUL AYERS HAS SOMETHING TO TALK TO US ABOUT.WELL, I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF INVESTIGATOR.
THIS IS MIKE TAYLOR, UH, BRINGS US A LOT OF GREAT EXPERIENCE.
HE IS TRI CERTIFIED, UM, AS A FIREFIGHTER PEACE OFFICER AND EMT, AND IT COMES TO US FROM THE CITY OF FORT WORTH.
UM, HE'S HIS EXPERIENCE IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
UH, HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE US MARSHALL SERVICE, UH, FUGITIVE TASK FORCE.
UM, AND HE'S BEEN A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION BEST PRACTICES PROGRAM.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT HE CAN BRING TO OUR RNC.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE TO SHARE? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE
[2. CONSENT AGENDA A. Discuss/Consider accepting the Commissioner's Court meeting minutes for July 21, July 25, July 26, and July 29, 2022. ]
CONSENT AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS ONLY ONE ITEM DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETINGS FROM JULY, 2120 5, 26 AND 29.UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION IF WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[3. Garrett Moore; Presentation and Discussion for Thoroughfare Plan Update, presented by Brian Crooks with Freese and Nichols.]
GARRETT, MORE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION FOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE PRESENTED BY BRIAN CROOKS WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS MORNING, EVERYBODY TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER THE, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN, INTERIM UPDATE, UM, FOLLOWED BY A COUPLE ITEMS ITEMS FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX, UH, WHICH ALL COULD BE COVERED IN THE, UH, IN THE MAP AND IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT TO JUST KIND OF TOUCH ON THEM.THE, UH, ITEM FOUR IS TO HELP SUPPORT THE JUSTICE CENTER, UH, TEMPORARILY.
AND THE, UH, ITEM FIVE IS FOR THE, TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL 34 ALIGNMENT AND ITEM SIX IS TO ACTUALLY ACCEPT THE NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I'LL LET BRIAN COME UP HERE AND TELL Y'ALL HOW WE DID IT.
GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO PRESENT THE KAUFMAN COUNTY THEATER FOR PLAN UPDATE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO WHY DID WE UPDATE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? WELL, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A SKATE ABOUT ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY AND THE NEED TO KEEP OUR PLANS CURRENT AND UPDATED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS GROWTH.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE AHEAD AND UPDATED THEIR THOROUGHFARE PLANS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KOPAN COUNTY THERAPY PLAN IS CORRECTLY REFLECTS THOSE CHANGES.
AND THIS COMES DOWN TO CONTINUITY WITH, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLANNING, UH, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE, UH, INCORPORATES THESE NEW THERAPIES, OUR PLANS, AND WE ANALYZE THESE NETWORKS TO CHECK FOR THIS KIND OF CONNECTIVITY AND CONSISTENCY.
UH, THE PLAN TEAM WAS MONEY HUNTER AND GARRETT MOORE WITH THE COFFIN COUNTY, AS WELL AS MYSELF AND EDDIE HOS ACTING AS A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR FREESE AND NICHOLS.
UH, THE WORK PLAN OVERVIEW, UH, WE ACCOMMODATED THESE SURFER PLAN CHANGES.
WE ANALYZE PREVIOUS ALIGNMENTS AND PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE,
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UH, RELEVANT AND CONSISTENT AND GETTING A NICE CONTINUOUS NETWORK.WE CONDUCTED A SERIES OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, WHICH SEVERAL OF YOU ATTENDED SEVERAL TIMES.
UH, WE EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL THERAPY PLAN CHANGES, AND THEN AMENDED THE PLAN.
SO THE DELIVERABLES, AS YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS A REVISED THERE FOR A PLAN MAP, OUR PRESENTATION TO YOU TODAY, AND A SUPPORTING TECHNICAL MEMO, UH, STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION WAS KEY TO THIS PROCESS.
WE HAD SEVERAL, UH, EVENTS TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT.
WE HAD THE PROJECT KICKOFF MEETING AND THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN THERE FOR A PLAN WORKSHOP IN MARCH.
WE HAD THE KAUFMAN COUNTY THERE FOR PLANNING WORKSHOP, SORRY, THAT WAS IN FEBRUARY.
THE WORKSHOP WAS IN MARCH AND THEN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY.
SO WHAT WERE THE IDENTIFIED ISSUES AND NEEDS WHILE IN THE NORTH? AGAIN, WE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE THROUGH FOR PLAN CHANGES IN CRANDALL, FORNEY, AND TERRELL.
WE LOOKED AT THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR ALIGNMENT AND MADE SOME VENDOR.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, SOCIAL, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING MORE NORTH, SOUTH CONNECTIVITY TO THE EAST.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THE SH 34 ALIGNMENT WAS BEING REVERTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.
WE HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE CONNECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY MADE SENSE IN THE SOUTH.
AGAIN, WE HAD SOME CONNECT TISSUE, CONNECTIVITY ISSUES TO THE SOUTH, AGAIN, THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR AND THE EASTERN CORRIDOR, HOW THOSE CONNECTIONS WOULD WORK.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN ROSSER, THERE WAS SOME GRAVEL TRUCK OPERATIONAL ISSUES NEAR FM 24 51.
UM, WHILE THERE IS ALREADY SOME EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN 34 AND US 1 75, UH, FELT THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THERE.
AND THEN IN TALKING TO CAMP, THEY BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC ALONG US, 1 75, AS WELL AS A HIGH AX.
SO THAT LOCATION JUST TO THE NORTH OF TOWN.
SO TRYING TO HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.
SO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN CHANGES.
YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE ON THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS ON THE MONITORS.
SO AGAIN, WE REVISED ALL THE THOROUGHFARE PLANS.
WE, UH, REVISE THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR ALIGNMENT TO THE WEST, JUST SLIGHTLY TO GIVE SOME MORE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN WE ADDED IN THIS FUTURE FUTURE NORTH, SOUTH ARTERIAL COLLECTION TO THE EAST TO LET, TO, TO CONNECT, UH, US 1 75, SH 2 43,
SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT CONNECTION.
IT CAN NOT ONLY WILL IT CONNECT ALL THESE MAJOR FACILITIES TOGETHER AND PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT CAN ACTUALLY MAYBE UNLOCK FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
UM, AGAIN, WE TRIED NOT TO REALLY LOOK AT ANY NEW CROSSING E UH, WEST OF
WE THOUGHT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK AND ADD IN MORE NETWORK THERE AT THAT THIS TIME.
SO THIS WAS THE CURRENT THERE FOR PLANS.
YOU SEE THIS STILL HAS THE OLD SH 34 ALIGNMENT AND THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR, BUT NOTHING TO THE EAST AND NOT A VERY STRONG SOUTHERLY EAST WEST CONNECTIONS BETWEEN US 1 75 AND SH 34.
AND THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THE NEW, A NEW 20 22 30 FOR OUR PLAN.
WE SEE WE'VE GOT ALL THE NETWORKS UPDATED IN CRANDALL, FORNEY, TERRELL, AND THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN, AS WELL AS WE HAVE THIS NEW EASTERN NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR.
WE'VE REVISED THE ALIGNMENT IN THE WESTERN NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR.
AND WE HAVE THIS STRONGER EAST-WEST CONNECTION BETWEEN US 1 75 AND SH 34 IN THE SOUTH.
SORRY, WE ALSO DID A CURSORY REVIEW OF THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION IS, AND WE RECOMMENDED ADDING IN A RURAL ARTERIAL THOROUGHFARE CLASS.
THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY A TWO-LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY WITH WIDE SHOULDERS.
AND THIS COULD ACT AS A BASE MAP FOR FUTURE NETWORK DEVELOPMENT IN DEVELOPING RURAL AREAS.
WE FELT THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT.
AND YOU SEE TO THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW POTENTIALLY THAT QUARTER COULD BE DEVELOPED.
IT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL, BUT IT PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANT TO SAY IT WAS A GREAT PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY OFFICIALS AND THE STAFF AND TALKING TO ALL THE LOCAL OFFICIALS, BUT HOW PASSIONATE THEY ARE, THEIR COMMUNITIES.
UM, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, WHEN WAS IT, WHEN WAS OUR LAST UPDATE? WHAT DID WE DO THIS THE LAST TIME? DOES ANYBODY KNOW 6 20 16? AND YOU HAD A REVISION IN A SMALL REVISION, I THINK IN 2020 W HOW OFTEN CONSIDERING THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY, HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS? I THINK, I MEAN, IT VARIES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED, YOU CAN DEFER YOUR UPDATE AS MUCH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH NETWORK TO CHANGE.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE STAFF.
WE THINK THAT WITH THE GROWTH THAT YOU'RE HAVING, IT'S PROBABLY EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY A POTENTIAL UPDATE WITHIN ABOUT THREE, A FULL UPDATE WITHIN THREE YEARS.
AND THAT WOULD BE AN ONLINE SURVEY.
WE'D GO THROUGH THE COG MODEL.
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WE DO SOME MALL RUNS TO SEE HOW THE CONGESTION WOULD FALL OUT.UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT DEMOGRAPHICS, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
WE'D HAVE A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS.
WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING A FULL-SCALE IN-DEPTH UPDATE ON THIS IN THREE YEARS.
THE INTERIM UPDATE, WHICH WHILE BEING VERY LARGE PICTURE AND DOES TOUCH ON EVERY MAJOR SECTION OF THE COUNTY.
IT STILL ISN'T AS IN-DEPTH AS IT POSSIBLY COULD BE.
WE WANTED TO GET THIS OUT QUICK.
THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO DO THE INTERIM UPDATE RATHER THAN DOING A FULL FLEDGED, VERY DETAILED UPDATE QUESTIONS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS WAS INTERIM AND WE'VE GOT SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND THEN YOU MAKE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THESE ROADWAYS, WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
SO IF WE START GROWING SO FAST AND IN AREAS GROW UP WHERE MAYBE THERE ISN'T ANTICIPATED NEED FOR A ROAD THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED YET, SINCE THIS IS THE INTERIM NOT DEAL, IS IT, AM I FOLLOWING? I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THAT POINT, BECAUSE ONE THING THAT WE CAN ALSO DO IS COME BACK AND IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S CONCERNS THAT MAYBE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN NETWORK ISN'T ROBUST ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE GROWTH WE CAN COME IN AND WEED FOR, FOR, FOR NOT, WE DO IT A LITTLE TECH ASSIST, AND WE WRITE A MEMO THAT WE'LL GO IN AND LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON THE NETWORK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, I GUESS WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT THAT MONIQUE, CAN YOU PRINT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, A LARGE MAP LIKE THAT TO HAVE IN OUR OFFICES, BECAUSE WE GET ASKED THESE QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE SOME HARD COPIES OF THE MAPS.
HAS HAD SOME DIFFICULT, AND YOU'LL FIND IT IN A NEW SUBDIVISION RANKS.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT A LINK TO THAT MAP.
SO ON THE WEBSITE, WHEN YOU CLICK, YOU, DON'T TAKE YOU TO THE MOST CURRENT MAP FOR DEVELOPERS ONLINE, BUT YES, WE CAN BRING THOSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
SO, UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSION ON THOROUGHFARE PLAN THREE, ITEM FOUR
[4. Garrett Moore; Discuss/Consider approving Task Authorization 7, Thoroughfare Plan Adjustment to support the Justice Center. ]
IS DISCUSSED, CONSIDER APPROVING TASK AUTHORIZATION, SEVEN THOROUGHFARE PLAN ADJUSTMENT TO SUPPORT THE JUSTICE CENTER.THIS IS GOING OVER A SECTION OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE JUSTICE CENTER.
IT'S BASICALLY SHOWING AN UPDATED, UH, ROADWAY GOING FROM 1 75, UH, TO THAT, UH, AREA WHERE THE JUSTICE CENTER IS.
WE CAN, UH, TABLE THAT IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, THE TASK ORDER IS JUST SIMPLE.
IT'S JUST UPDATING A SECTION OF THE LOCAL ROAD TO HANDLE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC.
AND JUST TO, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S JUST, WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING A SECONDARY ACCESS INTO THAT PROPERTY FOR THIS IS JUST TO PUT IT ON THE THOROUGHFARE POINT.
THIS WON'T MAKE SURE OR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, WE'RE WITH IT AT THE INITIAL PHASE OF THAT COULD GIVE US ACCESS OFF OF 34 TO OUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE LONG-TERM PLAN WOULD BE TO POSSIBLY EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY TO FAIR ROAD.
AND THERE'S OTHER, THE CITIES COULD BE POTENTIALLY A PARTNER IN THAT.
AND THE EDC ALSO BECAUSE A LOT OF ANNE TRINITY VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE, CAUSE THEY ALL OWN LAND ACROSS IT.
AND LIKE, WE, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED IT.
THIS IS JUST TO GET IT ONTO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THIS CAN BE CHANGED.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THAT TEXTILE, WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING ALL THIS, CORRECT.
THIS ISN'T ANYTHING TO BE BUILT.
DO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? UH, THEN I WOULD, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION APPROVING TASK AUTHORIZATION, SEVEN THOROUGHFARE PLAN ADJUSTMENT TO SUPPORT THE JUSTICE CENTER.
SO MOVE WHERE THE EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER AND CASES ARE.
SO AGAIN, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NOW BACK TO GARRETT ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS,
[5. Garrett Moore, Discuss/Consider approving Task Authorization 8, retention of the original SH-34 Alignment. ]
CONSIDER APPROVING TASK AUTHORIZATION, EIGHT RETENTION OF THE ORIGINAL STATE HIGHWAY 34 ALIGNMENT.I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THESE.
SO ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS TO CHANGE THE ALIGNMENT OF 34, UH, FROM WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY TO A MORE CENTRALIZED ROUTE.
THAT ROUTE TOOK IT THROUGH A MAJORITY OF THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO KEEP IT FROM SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL AND COST, WE DISCUSSED
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WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL OFFICIALS IN THE AREA OF SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THEY SHOWED INTEREST IN KEEPING THE 34 ALIGNMENT AS IT IS.THIS WOULD JUST BE TO GET RID OF THE, ON THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT MAP, IT SHOWS THE ALIGNMENT OF THE, OF 34 BEING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS JUST A MERELY GET RID OF THAT.
UM, UH, NEW ALIGNMENT OFF THE MAP, A SUBJECT OF MUCH DISCUSSION OVER THE YEARS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS JUST TAKING THAT LONG.
WE'RE JUST FOR PLAINLY, WE'RE CLICKING THE LINE, WE'RE PRESSING DELETE AND THAT'S IT IN TEXTILE HAS ABSOLUTELY DETERMINED THAT THAT'S THE ROUTE, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE OFFICIALS.
AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD WITH JUST KEEPING THE 34 ALIGNMENT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND JUST EXPANDING IT AS HAS TECHSTOP ACTUALLY RULED IT.
I MEAN, HAVE THEY MADE THAT AFFIRMATIVE DECISION? UH, WHAT I THINK THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT TO WHAT EXTREME THEY'RE GOING TO, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO 34, BUT I THINK THE LINE IS SET PRETTY MUCH.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
WHAT KIND OF ROADS ARE GOING TO DEVELOP SHOULDERS? IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT I THINK.
WELL, I THINK ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE FLOOD PLAIN, IF I'M CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE, WE DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS THE EASIEST ACCESS ON IT.
BEING ABLE TO HOLD THE LANE BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GOING TO BUILD THERE, EVEN THOUGH THE COST CAN BE ASTRONOMICAL, IT COULD COME FROM BETTER MONEY.
IT COULD COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE BESIDES TAXPAYERS HERE, MAYBE.
BUT IS IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DELETE? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KEEP AS AN ALTERI AROUND JUST IN CASE? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S, I MEAN, I'M THINKING THAT IF IT'S GOING THROUGH THERE, IT JUST, IT LIMP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S JUST GOING OUT THERE TO GRAB THAT, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY STILL HAVE IT AND THEN THE EARS, CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT MADE BUILDING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN MR. BILL BUILDING BRIDGES.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT I KNOW IS WHEN I GOT HERE, A LOT OF THIS HAD ALREADY KIND OF BEEN DISCUSSED AND NAUSEA BEEN KIND OF JUST PICKED ON, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE ALL THE PERMITS BEING FILLED OUT.
IT WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL MEASURES TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS TASK.
AND OH, AND, AND I'M JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT IF EVERYTHING WENT WELL AND EVERYTHING WAS FOLLOWED, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AS LONG AS WE MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE, THAT WHOEVER'S DOING THE DEVELOPMENT WAS DOING A PROPER AND WASN'T DOING TOO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE LOCAL AREA.
NO, ONE'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO, GO AROUND AND BE BUYING UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND ACRES WORTH OF FLOOD PLAIN.
WE HAD AN ONTARIO REP WHERE THEY KIND OF PRESERVED THE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE.
WE COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN WE'RE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE, AND INTERESTED IN KEEPING THE 34 ALIGNMENT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT IT WOULD BE KIND OF PUT UP TO A DISCUSSION ON THAT WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES, THE, AND Y'ALL RIGHT AROUND WHATEVER.
BUT THE OUTER LOOP THEORETICALLY IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THE NORTH, NORTH, SOUTH TRAFFIC INSTEAD OF 34 LOCK.
I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY WERE ANTICIPATING, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THEY BASICALLY MOVED THE NORTH SOUTH TRAFFIC OVER.
EDDIE HOSTILE, FREESE AND NICHOLS.
SO OVER THE YEARS AS THE THERFORE PLANETS EVOLVE, THE STATE HIGHWAY 34, THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT GENERATED A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHEN IT FIRST PUT ON THERE, NOT ONLY FROM THE TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES, COP AND TERRELL.
SO REALLY THE KEY ISSUE WAS TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY, THE CURVE, WHERE THE ACCIDENT WAS MANY YEARS AGO, BUS ACCIDENT THERE.
AND SO, BUT OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF COST AND THE TIME AND EFFORT TO PUT, TO IMPLEMENT THAT CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT WAS WHAT GOT LEE.
WE COULD USE THAT MONEY IMPLEMENTING OTHER PARTS OF THE, OF THE NETWORK, UH, CRITICAL CORRIDORS.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH AND DID SOME ANALYSIS ON WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU REMOVE IT IS THERE WILL BE KIND OF THE OTHER NORTH, SOUTH CORRIDOR HAS PICKED THAT UP.
AND THE ANSWER WAS YES, BUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER, YES, THE OUTER, THE WESTERN NORTH, SOUTH MOBILITY CORRIDOR.
AND NOW THIS NEW NORTH SOUTH MOBILITY QUARTER WILL HELP ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH TEXTILE ABOUT THEIR FINAL DECISION ON THE ROUTING 34 AS PART OF THIS EFFORT? I THINK WE LEFT IT WITH GARRETT.
WE DID NOT, UNLESS BRIAN LET'S CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
DID WE DID, WAS THERE AN OUTREACH WITH TEXTILE? WE DID TALK, THEY WERE, THEY WERE CONTACTED TO PARTICIPATE,
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BUT WAS THERE A SIGNIFICANT INPUT FROM THEM? UH, THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INPUT, BUT THEY DIDN'T, UM, SHOW SUPPORT OF THE 34 KEEPING THE ALIGNMENT AS IT IS THE EXISTS.SO EDDIE, DO YOU WANT US, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON, UH, WHY SHOULD WE TAKE THIS OFF? UM, WHAT DOES IT HURT BEING THERE? YES, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY HURT TO LEAVE IT ON IF DESIRED, UH, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA STOP WHEN TEXTS THAT DID THE INITIAL STUDY AND THE ALTERNATIVES, IT GENERATED SO MUCH EXCITEMENT THAT IT WAS NOT BENEFICIAL TO HAVE IT.
AND YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE THINKING BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED GROWTH, WE'RE THINKING, OKAY, THERE'S OTHER BENEFIT TO HAVING OTHER NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL THIS.
AND SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE BOOKS ON THAT ALTERNATIVE AND MOVE ON WITH OTHER CORRIDORS HERE IS IF IT'S WHAT I HEAR IS IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT IN THAT, IN THAT INDICATED PATHWAY.
AND SO WHY LEAVE IT ON THERE? YEAH.
I THINK THE ISSUE TOO IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG THEME NOW ABOUT RESILIENCY AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BUILD THINGS THAT ARE RESILIENT AGAINST FLOODING.
AND THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH A FLOOD POINT.
AND SO THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND COSTS TO DEAL WITH ALL THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH ALL THE VARIANTS IN CLIMATE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO STICK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE FLOOD, JUST BECAUSE THE COSTS COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.
TH THAT IN ADDITION TO ECONOMIC BENEFIT, I MEAN, THERE'S, IF, YOU KNOW, USING OR LEVERAGING TRANSPORTATION FOR COMMUNITY GROWTH, ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, THERE REALLY WASN'T THAT MUCH ECONOMIC BENEFIT FROM THAT ALTERNATIVE CORRIDORS, BECAUSE REALLY NONE OF IT'S BUILT DIRECT AND VERY MINIMAL AT BEST.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS ASKING IS IF SOME CRAZY DEVELOPER DECIDES TO COME IN TO THAT AREA AND IT BECOMES DEVELOPED, DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE LINE OFF OR DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE SO WE CAN GET THE RIGHT, RIGHT AWAY IF THE ROAD IS ENDED UP BEING BUILT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, SINCE WE CAN DEVELOP IT, SO I COULD ADDRESS THAT AND SMALLER RATHER THAN A HIGHWAY TYPE CORRIDOR.
AND SO FOR THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S DEVELOPABLE BACK THERE, IT COULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED VIA SOME KIND OF COLLECTOR NETWORK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK I KNOW THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT'S BEEN ONLY LIKE THIS, LET'S SAY THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS, WE STILL HAVE THIS ROAD ON HERE SHOWING, UM, AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU GOT TO BE, IF, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S NOT, IF THAT HASN'T, IF THERE'S NO MOVEMENT ON MAKING THAT ACTUALLY A THOROUGHFARE, YOU CAN'T KEEP THAT GUY FROM DEVELOPING THAT LAND.
AND SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
THERE'S NO MOVEMENT ON AND ALL THAT.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST, IT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MUCH OF A, IT'S NOT GOING TO DEFEND THAT CORRIDOR VERY MUCH.
AND I THINK WITH THE OUTER LOOP, ONCE THAT, THEN IT MAKES THAT KIND OF CONNECTION.
THEN THE OUTER LOOP THAT WE HAVE THAT PRETTY WELL SET IN STONE NOW.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER STUDY GOING ON ON THAT NORTH SOUTH MOBILITY CORRIDOR.
SO I THINK IT'S TO BE DETERMINED STUDY THAT'S GOING ON FOR TERRIBLE.
YOU'VE GOT A SUBDIVISION THAT'S GOING IN CLOSE TO WHERE IT'S SHOWN TO BE CONNECTED ON THE MAP.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SPOKE WITH TERRELL ON THAT CONNECTION AREA.
THEY WERE KIND OF WISHY-WASHY AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IT.
HI, MIKE, HOW YOU DOING MR. WISHER WASH HIMSELF.
IS THAT BEEN KIND OF DECIDED ON WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FOR Y'ALL OR IS IT SORRY, PLEASE.
WITH ALIGNMENT WHERE WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH DEVELOPERS AND IT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE SUCCESSFUL TOURS TO FIRST STREET, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LAND, HOW FORTUITOUS FORTUITOUS IT IS.
ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS PATIENT OR NOT? OKAY.
WELL, HE FLIPPED UP ON AROUND IN IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THIS ITEM FIVE.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT I'M, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE SUPPORT WHAT OUR TECHNICAL PEOPLE ARE RECOMMENDING TO US.
BUT, UH, UM, I WILL ASK, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM EIGHT? WELL, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION BY YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ACTION.
THAT'S FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE
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IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.[6. Garrett Moore; Discuss/Consider approving Task Authorization 9, Kaufman County Thoroughfare Interim Update.]
BACK TO GARRETT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING TASK ORDER AUTHORIZATION, NINE COUNTY COFFIN COUNTY THOROUGHFARE, INTERIM UPDATE.SO THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTING THIS UPDATE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
WHAT WE JUST SPENT THE FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ACTUAL ADOPTION OF IT.
SO DOES ANYONE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ANY CONCERNS LIKE MOTION? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT TO APPROVED TASK AUTHORIZATION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGED DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
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BARBARA DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO TERRELL TERS ONE, NOT TWO, THREE OR FOUR TERRELL ONE.LIKE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT OR OH, HE'S GOT HANDOUTS, LIKE IN SALESMAN WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THEM ANYMORE A LONG TIME AGO AND IT TO THE LAWYER, HERE YOU GO.
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THIS AND MAKE A DECISION IN TWO OR THREE MINUTES.
I JUST GOT IT FOR LAUGHING, NOTHING.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH YOU AGAIN.
UH, AND SHALL KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, AND, AND IT'S GETTING EVER CLOSER TO THE TIME TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT INTO THAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS LISTED ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE EXACT SAME THING WITH EACH OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS. ONE OF OUR STATE LAW PROCESSES HERE IS THE CITY ORDINANCE RELATED TO, TO THE FOUR ITEMS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
SO AS WE DISCUSSED THIS AND A LITTLE STRATEGY PHONE CALL BETWEEN KAREN AND MARY GALE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, MARYVILLE, RAMSEY, AND MYSELF, UH, WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT THE BEST THING TO DO HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS USE THE WORD PASS OR TABLE PASSING OR TABLING THIS ITEM TO AUGUST THE 30TH THAT ALLOWS THE CITY OF TERRELL TO INSERT THE STEP OF HAVING, UH, OUR ORDINANCE PASS AT OUR CITY COUNCIL.
THE PURPOSE OF BEING FOR YOU TODAY WITH THESE GIGANTIC STACKS OF PAPER, DID YOU GET ONE? AND CAN I HAVE ONE OH, MYRA, DOESN'T LIKE TO LET ME ACTUALLY HAVE A COPY OF WHAT I'M PRESENTING.
IF I CAN'T SAY AN OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR TOMORROW.
UH, SO THE, UM, UH, GOAL TODAY FOR EACH OF THE FOUR ITEMS IS I'LL ASK YOU TO PASS OR TABLE UNTIL AUGUST THE 30TH.
THAT'LL GIVE US A TIME TO PASS THE ORDINANCE AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE NOTICED SOMETHING, UH, OVER YOUR REVIEW PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FULL INPUT INTO THIS OVERALL PROGRAM.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD TRANSPARENCY, GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS, THE GIGANTIC PILE YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS SOMETHING YOU WON'T BE ASKED TO VOTE ON UNTIL AUGUST THE 30TH.
IT GIVES YOU ALL TIME AND GIVES US TIME TO DO THAT CITY ORDINANCE PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO IF I OPEN UP THIS PACKET AND TAKE THIS GIANT BINDER CLIP OFF, IT STARTS OUT WITH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND THE POWERPOINT REALLY JUST GOES THROUGH THE BASICS OF THE PROGRAM.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT TOO TERRIBLY MUCH, BUT I WILL SAY THIS NICE COLORED MAP HERE WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PURPLE THAT'S TOURIST, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO TOURIST.
NUMBER ONE, WHERE WE REDUCE THE LAND AREA OF IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE RED BLUE, THE RED SOUTH OF
THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE GOING TO CALL TOURIST.
NUMBER TWO, YOU MIGHT HEAR US REFER TO THAT AS ARBORETA MISSTATES, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE JERRY JONES PROJECT IS WHERE BLUESTAR IS DOING THAT INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.
UH, THE YELLOW ONE HERE, YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT REFERRED TO AS LOS LOMAS.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO REFER TO IT AS EASTLAND BUSINESS PARK.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING FROM A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL TO BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT JOBS IN COMMERCIAL, UH, BLUE ON THIS MAP, UH, THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOUR CHURCH NUMBER FOUR, AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF REDEVELOPMENT ALONG USAID, AND AGAIN, A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.
SO IF I OPEN THIS PACKET UP A COUPLE OF THE BASICS HERE, WE KNOW KAUFMAN COUNTY'S GROWING, NO MATTER WHAT.
SO THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND LOTS OF NEW NEIGHBORS, ONE TO COME IN AND MOVE IN AND LIVE WITH US.
UH, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY HOUSES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD HOUSES.
THE QUESTION IS, IS FOR THE THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF LAND IMPACTED BY THESE TAX
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INCREMENT REFINANCE ZONES.ARE THEY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WHERE IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THE SHERIFF TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE LAND USE CONTROLS, OR CAN WE INDUCE THESE DEVELOPERS WHO ALREADY HAVE RIGHTS TO BUILD IN THE ETJ? CAN WE INDUCE THEM TO HOLLAND TERRY ANNEX AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TOTAL HOUSES THAT THEY BUILD? SO THAT'S THE PAST THAT WE'VE BEEN ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IS ALL ABOUT.
UH, I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER TO THE FIRST POWERPOINT SLIDE IN HERE.
THAT'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY LISTED ON IT.
UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE SLIDE NUMBER FIVE.
IT SAYS REVENUE GROWTH WITH COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN TOURISM.
NUMBER TWO, YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR 15, THIS WAS THE MAIN, UH, QUESTION MARK THAT SOME, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAD, HOW MUCH REVENUE COMES INTO MNO, UH, OVER THE LIFE OF THIS THING FOR A COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN TOURISM, NUMBER TWO, AND YOU CAN SEE $317,000 IN YEAR 15 COMES IN TO YOUR MNO FUND INS REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
THAT YEAR IS 703,000 AND THE ROAD AND BRIDGE REVENUE IS 829,000.
SO HERE'S LANDRY THAT WILL NOT BE CONSUMING RODEN BRIDGE FUNDS THAT KICKS OFF 850, 20 $9,000 TO YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND.
SO THAT'S JUST THE SUMMARY RELATED TO CHURCH.
NUMBER TWO, THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.
TALK ABOUT EASTLAND BUSINESS PARK.
I WON'T BEAT THAT UP A WHOLE BUNCH OTHER THAN TO SAY ON THE MAP ON SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THAT'S THE PAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING SLIDE FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT'S LAS LOMAS BOULEVARD RIGHT NOW TODAY.
THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE ON THAT LAND FROM 2005 THAT CONTROLS THE THOROUGHFARE PLANE.
YOU'LL JUST HAD A THOROUGHFARE PLAN DISCUSSION.
AND FOR ALL THREE OF THESE MAJOR ANNEXATIONS, UM, THEY ARE VESTED IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN LOOKED LIKE IN 2005.
WELL, AS YOU CAN GUESS, THAT'S BAD FOR US AND THAT'S BAD FOR THE COUNTY, CAUSE THAT WOULD PREVENT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OUTER LOOP.
AND IT WOULD PREVENT THE CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAY THAT WE'RE QUITE FOND OF CALLED LAS LOMAS PARKWAY, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE A SIX LANE ROAD BYPASSING FROM FM 25, 78 SOUTH OF TERRELL, UM, GOES ACROSS SIDE 20 WITH AN INTERCHANGE ACROSS 80 WITH AN INTERCHANGE ACROSS FOR 5, 5, 7, BUT HER CHANGE AND ENDS UP ALL THE WAY CLOSE TO GRIFFITH ON THE CORNER OF GRIFFITH AND STATE HIGHWAY 2 0 5.
SO IMAGINE I'M DRIVING FROM ROCKWELL AND I JUST WANT TO GO AROUND TERRELL.
I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A AT GREAT RAILROAD CROSSING AT 2 0 5, 1 48 AND USA 80.
I GET A BRIDGE OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT US 80, AND I'VE GOT A NICE CLEAN SIX LANE ROAD TO MOVE THROUGH.
THIS DEVELOPER CAN BLOCK THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE VESTED IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SYSTEM FROM 2005.
AND WE WANT TO GET PAST THAT POINT.
SO WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE LAND AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THAT SLIDE CHANGES FROM BEING APARTMENTS AND RESIDENTIAL TO BEING RETAIL AND BUSINESS PARK.
UH, THAT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'VE BEEN SO AGGRESSIVE IN TRYING TO GET IT TO MOVE FORWARD, THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE FINANCIAL SUMMARY ON TRUTH NUMBER THREE, UH, AGAIN, QUICKLY TO GO THROUGH THE YEAR 15 NUMBERS.
SO ANNUAL NUMBERS IN YOUR 15 RODEN BRIDGE REVENUE, 505 IS 575,000 TO THE COUNTY M AND ROW REVENUE, 220,000 TO THE COUNTY INS REVENUE, $488,000 TO THE COUNTY.
THE NEXT SLIDE GIVES YOU YOUR SUMMARY OF TOURERS NUMBER FOUR.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE NICKNAMED NORTH'S FOR.
UM, UH, THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UH, I'LL MENTION THIS, UH, HERE, CAUSE, UM, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT, A LITTLE NOTE THERE ARE IN EACH OF THESE TERMS IS, AND EACH OF THESE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS THAT ARE THOSE PACKAGE PLANTS, THOSE PACKAGE PLANTS ARE THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF CONTROVERSY AND A LOT OF DEBATE.
AND BY MOVING FORWARD IN TURN, NUMBER FOUR IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS.
THE CITY OF TERRIBLE ACTUALLY OPERATE THAT PACKAGE PLANT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A COUPLE OF PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRACT FOLKS WATCH OVER IT AND A DEVELOPER IS PAYING, UH, THE LEAST LITTLE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THEY CAN TO MAINTAIN THAT AND VERY SLOW TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY PROBLEM.
UH, AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT SMELLS BAD AND IT'S OBNOXIOUS TO THE NEARBY RESIDENTS.
UM, OUR STAFF, WHICH IS PROFESSIONAL, FULLY LICENSED, A LICENSED STAFF RUNNING KINGS CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO RUN OUR MAJOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CAN GO CHECK UP ON THAT PACKAGE, PLANT AND OPERATE THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
THERE'S A HUGE INCREASE IN WATER QUALITY AND A GREAT BENEFIT OF THIS.
AND THAT'S TRUE FOR CHURCH NUMBER TWO AND TRUTH.
NUMBER FOUR, THE SLIDE ON THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS YOU A QUICK SHOT AT, UH, THE OUTER LOOP.
UH, THAT'S THE BLANK AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF NORTH SPUR.
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VERY FIRST ROUND OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH THIS PR, UH, DEVELOPER.AND WE SAID, LOOK, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE.
THEY WANT TO BUILD HOUSES THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE AREA FROM THE, FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PAGE TO THE, TO THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE, THEY WANTED TO PUT ALL OF THIS ACREAGE IN SINGLE FAMILY, UH, AND MULTI-FAMILY, AND WE SAID, NO, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY GOT TO MAINTAIN A COMMITMENT TO LAND ACQUISITION FOR THE OUTER LOOP.
SO AS PART OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS, THEY'VE AGREED TO DEDICATE 500 FOOT OF RIDEAWAY AT THE INTERSECTION OF US 80 AND, UM, SPUR 5 57 FOR THE OUTER LOOP TO COME THROUGH THERE.
TXDOT IS HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THIS ALIGNMENT THAT IF YOU WERE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE, UH, USA D SPUR FIVE, SEVEN, UM, UH, ROADWAY EXPANSION, UH, THAT ROADWAY EXPANSION FEATURED A SCHEMATIC FROM TXDOT ABOUT HOW TO USE THAT RIGHT-AWAY SPACE TO TIE THE OUTER LOOP INTO THE USA DE SPUR 5, 5, 7 INTERCHANGE.
THAT'S A HUGE AND MAJOR AND VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF LAND.
THAT'S A MASSIVE LAND DONATION, CAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF, UH, UM, UH, PRIME DEVELOPMENT LAND THAT THEY'RE GIVING UP IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
UH, IN THE NOVEMBER PRESENTATION TO YOU GUYS, WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, THERE WERE SOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON THIS PAGE.
WE HEARD INPUT FROM YOU OF SAYING NOPE, PUSHBACK BACK ON RESIDENTIAL PUSHBACK ON RESIDENTIAL, PART OF THE DELAY IN COMING TO YOU FROM NOVEMBER TO THESE MORE RECENT MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WAS OUR EFFORTS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ELIMINATED THOSE APARTMENTS FROM THIS PAGE AND FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT, BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL IN, UH, PUSHING BACK ON THIS DEVELOPER AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ELIMINATED THE MULTIFAMILY FROM THAT PAGE.
THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS YOU YOUR REVENUE NUMBERS FOR THE COUNTY ON THIS ONE, RODEN BRIDGE REVENUE, 782,000 MNO REVENUE, 299,000 INS REVENUE, 664,000.
AGAIN, ALL OF THAT IS THE ANNUAL NUMBERS FROM YEAR 15.
UM, UH, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW, UH, AND THIS IS SLIDE NUMBER 12.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IS YOU'RE CREATING.
WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS IS GOING TO BE THE PREMIER EMPLOYMENT CENTER FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.
OUR EDC RAY DUNLAP AND BRUCE WARD FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ARE SITTING HERE ON THE AUDIENCE.
THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING A $10 MILLION WATER LINE TO THIS PROJECT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING ALL SORTS OF QUALITY STANDARDS TO THIS PROJECT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES OUT RECRUITING BUSINESSES TO COME INTO THESE BUSINESS PARKS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE A HIGH QUALITY LEVEL OF EMPLOYER FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE MOVING IN TO OUR COUNTY.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE GIVES YOU A LITTLE SHOT AT, UH, I THINK IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SUMMARIES HERE.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW WHAT'S A NO VOTE.
WHAT IS DOING NOTHING, A NO VOTE OR DOING NOTHING MEANS THAT THESE DEVELOPERS WILL BUILD BASED ON THEIR CURRENT ETJ ENTITLEMENT.
SO THE COLUMN ON THIS PAGE IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH A NO VOTE.
YOU GET 6,659 SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, YOU GET 3,107 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND YOU GET 61 ACRES, UM, UH, DEDICATED TO BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL USES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE ARE ABLE TO SECURE COUNTY SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT AND, UH, GET THESE GUYS TO VOLUNTARILY ANNEX, UH, THEN WE'LL WHITTLE THIS DOWN SO THAT WE ONLY HAVE 3,900, UH, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, 600 APARTMENTS.
AND WE BALLOON THAT BUSINESS COMMERCIAL ACREAGE UP TO 1000 HUNDRED NINE ACRES.
THAT'S A GIANT IMPROVEMENT FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND APARTMENTS OVERALL BY 5,255.
AND WE'LL GIVE OURSELVES AN INCREASE IN JOBS, UH, TO ABOUT 16,000 JOBS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 14,000 JOBS IN TERRELL RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS MORE THAN DOUBLES THE TOTAL EMPLOYMENT IN, UH, THE CITY OF TERRELL THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE WORKING IN THIS COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
UH, I WOULD IMPLORE YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE STUCK DRIVING TO DALLAS TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY? OR ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF QUALITY LIFE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK IN THE SAME, UH, LOCATION? UH, AND IT'S, IT'S, I THINK A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS A COUNTY THAT CERTAINLY MAYOR CARMONA, HIS POINT OF VIEW.
LET'S GIVE OURSELVES OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A SHORT COMMUTE.
LET'S LET THEM LIVE AND WORK IN THE SAME COMMUNITY.
UH, I THINK THAT'S MAKING A REAL COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST A BIG BEDROOM, UH, FOR DALLAS COUNTY.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SLIDE FOR YOU.
THE NEXT PAGE ANSWERS A QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT FROM COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, HOW MUCH WHEN WE JUST BOIL IT DOWN TO NUMBERS, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY CONTRIBUTING AND VERSUS HOW MUCH IS THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTING? SO ON THIS, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING ABOUT $2 BILLION WORTH OF TOTAL VALUE OF THESE VOLUNTARILY ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS.
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UH, YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTING CONTRIBUTION RATES, UH, BASED ON ALL THE PERCENTAGES THERE.SO THE CITY IS PUTTING 48 CENTS IN AND ON COMMERCIAL AND THE CITY'S PUTTING 36 CENTS IN ON RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT MEANS THAT EVERY YEAR WE'LL BE PUTTING $8.3 MILLION INTO THIS TURF INTO THIS COMBINATION OF TERMS IS FOR THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF IT.
UH, YOU'RE IN AT 27, ALMOST 28 CENTS.
AND YOU'LL BE PUTTING $5.7 MILLION IN WHAT DOES THAT MONEY GET USED FOR? IT GETS USED TO BUILD ROADS, WATER, SEWER DRAINAGE.
THIS IS NOT, HEY DEVELOPER, LET ME HELP YOU BUILD YOUR BUILDING.
WE NEED THIS ROAD, THIS WATER, THIS SEWER, THIS DRAINAGE THEY NEED TO BE RIGHT.
THEY NEED TO BE ENGINEERED ACCORDING TO CITY OF TERRELL STANDARDS AND THEY NEED TO SOLVE THOROUGHFARE PROBLEMS AND WATER PROBLEMS AND WASTEWATER PROBLEMS ON THE FRONT END.
IT'S BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES SO THAT EACH OF THESE DEVELOPERS ARE FORCED TO BUILD PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT REALLY MATCHES THE NEEDS THAT THIS COUNTY WILL HAVE OVER THE NEXT 10, 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE SUMMARY.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THAT IN ANY GREAT DETAIL, BUT THE RED THERE THAT SAYS WITHOUT ANNEXATION AND TENANT TAX INCOME REFINANCE ZONES, THE OTHER SIDE SAYS WITH ANNEXATION, UM, YOU, YOU COULD PICK ANY ONE OF THESE LITTLE ITEMS AND TALK ABOUT IT FOR 15 MINUTES.
THINK ABOUT FIRE DEPARTMENT ISSUES RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THOSE 10,000 HOUSES THAT COULD, WOULD HAVE TO BE COVERED BY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICTS AND TARO VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, WHEN I DRIVE BY THE WILDFIRE THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, THE TERRELL HIGH SCHOOL JUST YESTERDAY, UH, ABOUT A FIVE ACRE FIRE, ABOUT A HUNDRED BALES ON FIRE.
UM, THAT WAS A GREAT MASS RESPONSE.
LOTS OF FIREFIGHTERS FROM LOTS OF AGENCIES THERE CONTAINED IT FAIRLY QUICKLY, DID A GOOD JOB FIGHTING THAT FIRE PROTECTED TERRELL HIGH SCHOOL FROM BEING ON FIRE.
CAN YOU GUARANTEE 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW THAT A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING FORCE, UH, THROUGH AN EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO TACKLE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, WHEN OUR FIREFIGHTERS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE THE MAIN LINE RESPONSE, WE'RE VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS, WE'RE SAYING WE'D LIKE TO SIGN THIS UP.
WE'D LIKE THEM TO BE CITY OF TERRELL PROPERTY TAXPAYERS.
WE DON'T WANT TO DEFUND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT BY NOT DOING THESE ANNEXATIONS.
WE WANT TO FUND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT BY D DOING THESE ANNEXATIONS.
UM, SO ANY ONE OF THESE WE COULD TALK ABOUT FOR SOME TIME Y'ALL KNOW THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED AND THE DIFFICULTIES ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, POLICING, UH, THESE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A SPECIAL DISTRICT AND IT'S OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, YOU'VE GOT TO GO DO DEALS WITH CONSTABLES.
GO DO DEALS WITH SHERIFFS, FOR PATROLS THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE DETECTIVE FORCE TO DO THE DETECTIVE WORK THAT IS SO NECESSARY TO MAKE THOSE PATROLS USEFUL.
UM, WE THINK AGAIN, ANNEXING AND LETTING THE TERRELL POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKE CARE OF THIS LAND IS A MUCH BETTER RESULT FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, SLIDE 16 IS REALLY JUST THE SUMMARY SLIDE.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT IN ANY DETAIL.
UH, BUT IF YOU, UM, WOULD I'LL TURN OVER TO THE REMAINING PART OF THIS STACK, I ACTUALLY GAVE ALL THAT PRESENTATION FOR JUST THE FIRST OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS. AND I WOULD SAY, UH, THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT'S LISTED ON YOUR AGENDA THAT WE'RE, UH, DOING RIGHT NOW IS THIS ONE THAT SAYS CITY AND TERRELL TRUTH.
NUMBER ONE, AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE.
AND SO THIS IS JUST THE SIMPLEST OF ALL OF THEM.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL ASK YOU TO TABLE IT UNTIL AUGUST THE 30TH.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT SAYS, LOOK JUST FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ACREAGE OF TOURIST, NUMBER 1 73, OR SO ACRES THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OUT OF TOURIST.
SO THAT LATER ON, WHEN YOU CREATE TOURISM, NUMBER THREE, TOURISM, NUMBER THREE CAN HAVE THAT SAME ACREAGE.
SO THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE BOOKKEEPING OF THE LAND, MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND IS IN THE TAX INCOME REFINANCE ZONE.
WE DREW THE BOUNDARY BACK IN 2007, 2008 WHEN WE DID TOURS.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST OF THESE ITEMS. SO JUDGE, I'LL PAUSE HERE AND SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE STACKS? UH, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO PAUSE AT THIS JUNCTURE? CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE POLYESTER? YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING ONE OF TOURERS THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
SO THE CLOCK'S ALREADY STARTED WITH THAT LAND.
SO WHENEVER HE GOES OVER TO THREE, TWO, YOU HIT THE RESET BUTTON.
AND SO, BUT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON THAT INTRA-PERSONAL, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS REMEMBERING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING WERE CRESCENDO, THE JOB CREATION THING I THINK IS, IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF US WOULD AGREE THAT THE COUNTY,
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THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS WAY, UH, IS WAY SKEWED TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL.AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE KIND OF JOB CREATION THAT WE NEED, BUT I WAS REMEMBERING, UH, WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE AUTOZONE PROJECT YEARS AGO, AND WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THEIR EMPLOYMENT WHEN THEY FINALLY WERE FULLY OPERATIONAL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT 80% OF THE PEOPLE AT THAT TIME THAT WORKED AT AUTOZONE AND I THINK AUTOZONE EMPLOYEES, 600 PEOPLE, OR MORE AND 80% OF THOSE PEOPLE LIVE DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF TERRELL.
THEY LIVE, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVED ALL OVER, UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, BIG, BIG, A LOT OF THEM LIVED IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
A LOT OF THEM LIVED UP AND DOWN THE I 20 USA CORRIDOR.
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT WAS THAT INTERCEPTS THOSE PEOPLE FROM GETTING ON THE ROADS, GOING INTO DALLAS AND THEY'RE WORKING CLOSER TO HOME, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THE AMAZON PROJECT, THE GOODYEAR PROJECT AND FORNEY.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THOSE, I BET YOU'D BE SHOCKED AT WHERE ALL THOSE PEOPLE LIVE.
I MEAN, THEY LIVE ALL OVER, SO IT'S GOOD.
IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THE REGION IF WE CAN CREATE THOSE JOBS.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE JUST ONE AT A TIME HERE AND LET, Y'ALL TAKE ACTION ON THIS ONE TO TABLE IT AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE REST OR YOU WANT ME TO NO, UH, I THINK YOU CAN FILL A SCENE.
I, IF, IF THE REQUEST IS THAT WE TABLE IT, I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT, UM, I GUESS YOU CAN FILL IN THE LINES FOR ANYTHING YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE REMAINING ITEMS. OKAY.
SO THE REST OF THE PACKET IS THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY THREE IDENTICAL PORTIONS TO THE REST OF THE STACK, AND I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH TOURS.
NUMBER TWO IS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE.
THE VERY FIRST THING IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING TITLED PARTICIPATION AGREEMENTS.
AND WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU, YOU MIGHT SEE AN INFORM OF YOUR LOCAL AGREEMENT UNITED SEE THE IN FORM OF PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT, BUT THE BASIC MEAT OF THE AGREEMENT IS THE SAME THING.
PARTICIPATION AGREEMENTS IS THE THING THAT, UH, MAYOR CREMONA WILL SIGN HOW RICHARD'S WILL SIGN AS COUNTY JUDGE.
AND THIS WILL BE THE THING THAT SAYS, YES, THIS IS THE BINDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY RELATED TO THIS TOPIC.
AND SO LOTS OF DEFINITIONS IN IT, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN IT.
UH, I WOULD PUT YOU OVER TO PAGE THREE ON IT BECAUSE I WANT WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UH, KIND OF HOW YOU READ THIS THING, UH, AT THE, OF THE PAGE ON PAGE THREE, A YOU SEE THAT IT SAYS THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING 80% IN, UH, NOT INCLUDING INS AND ROLLBACK TAXES.
WHAT'S OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, RIGHT? AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE FOR 40 YEARS OR UNTIL CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS OF THE TOURIST BORDER EXTINGUISHED.
THE CURRENT ESTIMATE FOR CITY CONTRIBUTION IS $303 MILLION.
AND THEN IT SAYS THERE IS NO MAXIMUM CAP OR CON OR, OR CAP MAX THERE'S NO MAXIMUM OR CAP TO THE CITY CONTRIBUTION TO TOURIST NUMBER TWO.
SO WE'RE SAYING WE'RE UNLIMITED.
IF WE HAVE INFLATION, IF WE HAVE INCREASES, IF THERE'S MORE VALUE OUT THERE THAN WE EXPECTED, WE'RE TAKING THE HIT ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, THERE'S A CAP ON OUR TOTAL DOLLAR OF CONTRIBUTION.
SO WE CAN EXCEED 303 MILLION, OKAY.
THEN GO DOWN HERE AND LOOK WHERE IT SAYS, OBLIGATIONS OF COUNTY.
YOU READ SIMILAR LANGUAGE, YOU'RE AT 90% MAINTENANCE OPERATION TAX RATE.
AGAIN, YOU'RE EXCLUDING RODEN BRIDGE OR EXCLUDING DEBT SERVICE.
THERE'S ANOTHER PHRASE IN HERE THAT SAYS YOU'RE EXCLUDING COUNTY ROLLBACK TAXES.
AND AGAIN, YOU READ THROUGH IT AND YOU SAY, OKAY, THE CURRENT ESTIMATE FOR THE COUNTY IS 175 MILLION.
AND THEN IT SAYS, IN NO EVENT, SHALL THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION TO THE TIF FUND, EXCEED 175 MILLION UPON REACHING A CONTRIBUTION OF 175 MILLION, THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE COUNTY AND THIS AGREEMENT SHALL TERMINATE.
SO YOU, YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT PART OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IS A COMMITMENT WITH A CAP ON IT.
SO WE'RE COMING TO YOU AND WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT THAT'S THE CORRECT CAP NUMBER.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE IN A REFINEMENT PERIOD RIGHT NOW, WHETHER WE POLISH THAT NUMBER AND IT CHANGES SLIGHTLY BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU VOTE ON IT, BUT LET'S HOLD THAT.
BUT THE POINT IS WHEN WE HAVE THAT NUMBER BOILED DOWN AND WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT IN THAT NUMBER, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT TO YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT KEPT OURS CAN FLOAT UP, BUT YOU GUYS ARE KEPT IN YOUR CONTRIBUTION ON THIS.
THE NEXT THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IS AGAIN, A RESPONSE TO REQUEST BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, HERE, YOU GUYS CAN ZONE LAND AND WE DON'T HAVE ZONING AUTHORITY OVER HERE AT THE COUNTY.
SO IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THE NEXT PAGE ON PAGE NUMBER FOUR, ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS HAVE A MIRRORING SORT OF A LANGUAGE HERE.
AND IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL ZONING HERE.
AND IT SAYS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, DAH, DAH, DAH.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT 1100 OF THE ACRES THAT ARE BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
AND IT GIVES YOU THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL,
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THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY.AND IT SAYS THIS LANGUAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE FOUR IN SECTION C RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UM, UH, THIS, IF THE CITY WERE TO APPROVE A CHANGE IN ZONING, THAT WOULD ALLOW MORE THAN SO-AND-SO THE COUNTY MAY UNILATERALLY BY MAJORITY VOTE OF ITS COMMISSIONERS COURT, REDUCE OR ELIMINATE ITS ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TAX PERMIT FUND OR TERMINATE THIS PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.
SO IF WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL OVER THAT CAPPED AMOUNT FOR THAT VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AREA, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WHETHER IT HAPPENS 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY, WELL, WE NOTICED THAT YOU SAID NO MORE THAN 2,390 SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND YOU GUYS JUST APPROVED CHANGING OF SOME OF WHAT YOU TOLD US WAS INDUSTRIAL LAND TO A RESIDENTIAL LAND.
WE'RE PULLING OUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS.
WE ARE WALKING AWAY, NO HARM, NO FOUL.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROVISION LATER IN THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS TO PICK UP YOUR CONTRIBUTION AMOUNT.
THERE'S A BIG, BIG PAIN IN THERE FOR THE CITY.
IF WE WERE EVER BREAK OUR WORD ON THE ZONING SIDE OF IT.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE VERY SPECIFIC COMMITMENTS TO ON THE LAND USE SIDE OF IT.
AND AGAIN, THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IS THAT THIS PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT WOULD BE AN ATTACHMENT TO ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE SIGNED.
SO THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES WOULD BE SEEING THIS AND SAYING, OKAY, I GOT IT.
THIS IS, THIS IS CONTROLLING THE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO WE THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR YOU GUYS.
SO AGAIN, I WON'T TRY TO GO THROUGH EVERY WORD IN THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.
I'LL LEAVE THAT TO, UH, YOUR ATTORNEY TO, TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS.
KAREN SAYS SHE'S ANXIOUS AND HAVING A GOOD TIME LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THE NEXT STAPLED PACKET, PART OF THAT PACKET IS THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONTROLLING DOCUMENT ABOUT THE ENTIRE, UM, TERRORS.
SO UNDER STATE LAW, THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCES BACK TO WHAT ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL CREATED THIS TERM.
SO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT.
WE TRIED TO PUT LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT WE FELT MATCHED WITH WHAT WE WERE HEARING FROM YOU GUYS.
IT ACTUALLY INCLUDES THE VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF THE LAND.
SO YOU'VE GOT, UH, A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE NEXT PART OF THE PACKET IS AN EXCITING SURVEY.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE LAND IS.
THERE'S NEVER ANY DOUBT ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A SURVEYED AMOUNT OF LAND HERE.
THE NEXT PART OF THAT PACKET IS THE ONE THAT'S CALLED THE PRAIRIE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, NOT TO BEAT YOU UP TERRIBLY MUCH WITH THIS, UH, BUT THESE ARE ALL THE SAME FOR ALL OF THEM IN SIR, IN TERMS OF THE TEMPLATE OF WHAT WE'RE USING.
SO YOU CAN ALWAYS GO FIND THAT INFORMATION VERY EASILY.
AND EACH TIME WE'VE JUST CHANGED THE ANALYSIS RELATED TO THE LAND, THE PROPERTY VALUES AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING FOR EACH PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.
I WOULD GET YOU OVER TO A LOT OF THE, UH, UH, FRONT MATTER IS THE SAME CAUSE YOU GOT TO SET OUT A BUNCH OF DEFINITIONS.
UH, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU GET TO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, UH, SECTION SEVEN IN HERE, OR A SECTION SIX, SECTION SEVEN, UH, WHEN IT SAYS NON PROJECT COSTS, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SAYING, WHAT DO WE THINK THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO FOR? SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, YOU CAN GO FIND THE NUMBER IN THERE THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THE WILL BE BUILDING A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROPERTY VALUE PROJECTS.
OKAY? SO THE BUILDINGS THEY BRING OUT OF THE GROUND, A BILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY VALUE.
SO THEN WE ANALYZE THAT AGAINST THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A CLEAR CUT DEFINITION OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN HERE.
AND THEN ESTIMATED PROJECT COSTS WHERE IT SAYS ESTIMATED PROJECT COSTS.
THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS, THE WATER, THE SEWER, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRE STATIONS THAT GOT, GOT BUILT PARKS THAT MIGHT GET BUILT.
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
UH, WE SEE THAT LISTED IN THERE IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE THERE'S $471 MILLION OF ESTIMATED PROJECT COST AT THIS TIME.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THOSE BEING DETAILED OUT A LOT OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCUMENT IS TO GO DOWN TO THE LIST OF EXHIBITS.
SO I'M GOING TO FLIP YOU OVER JUST REAL QUICKLY TO EXHIBIT C.
UH, YOU'LL FIND THAT ON PAGE 18.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW TO READ THROUGH THIS.
UH, YOU'VE GOT ONSITE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S WITHIN THE ZONE ITSELF, $126 MILLION OF STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S 36 MILLION FOR WATER, $54 MILLION FOR SEWER.
SO ON DOWN THE LINE, UH, AND YOU SEE AN ONSITE SUBTOTAL, THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OFFSITE SUBTOTAL.
SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENT.
WE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BUILD STUFF ON ONE PIECE OF LAND, YOU CREATE COSTS OFF OF THAT PIECE OF LAND.
CAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN NEAR SOME SUBDIVISION THAT GOT BUILT AT SOME TIME.
AND YOU SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE HERE, YOU BROUGHT A HUNDRED CARS OR A THOUSAND CARS AND THAT SUBDIVISION,
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AND YOU MADE THESE NICE ROADS IN YOUR SUBDIVISION, BUT THEY ALL CONNECT TO SOME, TWO LITTLE, TWO LANE, LITTLE SOMETHING OR OTHER.SO REMEMBER WE'VE CREATED ELIGIBILITY HERE.
SO IF THEY'RE IMPACTING A COUNTY ROAD, WE CAN BUILD IT OR WE CAN REBUILD IT, RECONSTRUCT IT, WE CAN FIX IT AND WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING ON THAT COUNTY ROAD.
SAME THING WITH THE STATE SYSTEM, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE IMPACTING TWO, A FIVE OR 1 48, OR FM 25, 78, WHICHEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE CAN CALL THAT AN OFFSITE PROJECT EXPENSE AND HELP PAY FOR THAT SAME THING WITH WATER SEWER STORM DRAINAGE, WE'VE GOT A PARKS COST AND HERE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO THEN WHAT ABOUT THIS NUANCE WITH, UM, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU SAID 80% CITIES IN AT 80% ON COMMERCIAL AND 60% FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT JUST SAYS THE CITY'S IN FOR A BLANKET 80%.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE FOLLOWING STATE LAW HERE.
WE'VE BEEN REALLY CLEAR THAT WE'RE DOING 80% ON COMMERCIAL, 60% ON RESIDENTIAL.
THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT SAYS 80% BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS, YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE PORTION THAT IS COMING BACK ON RESIDENTIAL AS MUNICIPAL SERVICES.
SO THAT MUNICIPAL SERVICES NUMBER THEN SHOWS UP HERE.
THIS ONE TELLS YOU OVER 40 YEARS, THAT MUNICIPAL SERVICE NUMBER IS $69 MILLION.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU READ THAT PAGE, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU, YOU DO SEE THAT WE REALLY ARE DOING THE 80, 60 THAT'S OUR FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIRED THE FIREMAN, HIRE THE POLICEMEN AND DO THOSE OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS OF TAKING CARE OF, UH, THESE, UM, UH, NEW HOUSES AND NEW INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THERE'S A TIMELINE IN THERE THERE'S MAPS IN THERE.
THERE'S A GIGANTIC CHART IN THERE THAT IF YOU HAVE A GOOD SET OF EYEBALLS ON EXHIBIT E YOU CAN SEE THE RETAINED REVENUE AND THE TOURIST CONTRIBUTIONS FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
UH, AND YOU CAN REVIEW KIND OF ALL OF THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IS A QUICK WALK THROUGH OF DOCUMENTS FOR THE TURF.
NUMBER TWO, IF I DID THE SAME THING WITH THE NEXT PACKET HERE, YOU'D FLIP THROUGH AND YOU'D SAY, OKAY, THERE'S A TOURIST THREE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.
THERE'S A TOURIST THREE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S A TOURIST THREE, UH, LEGAL, THERE'S A TOURIST THREE SURVEY.
UH, THERE'S A TOURIST THREE, UM, UH, PUBLIC ON PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN FROM P THREE WORKS.
UH, AND THEN YOU GO AND YOU SAY, OKAY, THERE'S THE PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FOR NUMBER FOUR, THEY'RE ALL DESIGNED TO BE TEMPLATES THEY'RE ALL DESIGNED SO THAT IT'S EASY TO MANAGE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.
WE HIRED ONE OF THE BEST, UH, UH, UH, AUDIT FIRMS THAT WORKS ON THIS PROD, THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, THAT'S P THREE, TO HELP US CREATE THESE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM THE REPORTS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UH, SO WE THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
SO, ANYWAY, JUST TO WRAP UP, I WOULD SAY, UM, UM, YOU DON'T GET A CHANCE VERY OFTEN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IN A GROWING COMMUNITY TO TAKE A VOTE THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CUT IN HALF THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL COMING TO YOUR COUNTY.
YOU GUYS HAVE ZERO LAND USE AUTHORITY AND IT'S PROBLEM BY VOTING TO ALLOW THE CITY OF TERRELL TO ANNEX THESE THREE PROPERTIES.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE 10,000 HOUSEHOLD UNITS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO 5,000 HOUSEHOLD UNITS.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE 60 ACRES OF LAND FOR BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO 1200 ACRES OF LAND FOR BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL.
THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN EASY.
SO ARE THERE SOME HARD PROVISIONS IN HERE? IS IT EXPENSIVE? IS THERE A LOT OF ROADS TO GET BUILT? YES.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED, RIGHT? IT IS.
CAN THE DEVELOPMENT BRING THE ROAD IN THIS CASE, WE'VE DESIGNED IT.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT DOES BRING THE ROAD AND THERE'S FEWER PEOPLE COMING.
SO THAT'S A LESS CONGESTED ROAD.
I CAN'T END WITHOUT THANKING, UH, MAYOR RICK CARMONA, UH, AND THE REST OF THE TURO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY'VE BEEN WITH US ALL THE LONG WAY THROUGH ALL OF THIS, UH, APPRECIATE ALL THEIR WORK, RAY DUNLAP'S BACK THERE.
UH, JOHN GODWIN IS A PROJECT, UH, CONSULTANT WITH US, UH, WHO TAKES THE ROLE OF SAYING NO DEVELOPERS.
SO WE GOTTA HAVE A GUY IN THE SYSTEM WHO JUST SITS DOWN WITH DEVELOPERS AND SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND THEN I WANT TO THANK BRUCE WOOD FOR BEING HERE, UH, BECAUSE HE'S, UH, HELPED US MEET WITH SOME OF THESE FOLKS AND MADE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING, UM, UH, ALL OF THIS RUNNING FORWARD AS WELL.
SO MAYOR, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU CAN SAY A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE CITY OF TERRELL WISHY-WASHY, ISN'T ONE OF THEM.
WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE THOROUGH FRIEND FAIR PLAN, AND WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP.
THE NICHOLS WILL BE GETTING, GIVEN THOSE GUYS A CALL.
UH, BUT SECONDLY, I WANT TO THANK THE COURT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK.
WE SHOULD BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER, WITH EACH OTHER ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE CAME TO YOU GUYS AND LISTEN,
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WE HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED.WE HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, AND WE TRIED OUR VERY BEST TO GIVE YOU THE BEST DOCUMENT WITH ALL THE INFORMATION, WITH ALL THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN A MANNER THAT YOU CAN, UH, TAKE IT, ABSORB IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, WE'RE HERE FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.
WE WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
WE WANT THE CITY OF TERRELL TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WE ALL WENT ON THIS DEAL.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT, SO THEY JUST A LITTLE PROCEDURE THING HERE, WHAT THE, THE PLAN IS, IS THAT IS TO BRING THIS BACK ON AUGUST THE 30TH, UH, NOT ASKING FOR ACTION TODAY.
SO, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I START RATTLING OFF THESE ITEMS AND CALLING FOR? YEAH, SO, YEAH.
LET ME, I'LL I'LL REVIEW, UH, PROCESS.
SO, UM, ON AUGUST THE, UM, 16TH, THANKS WHO SAID 16TH, BUT THANK YOU AUGUST THE 16TH, WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST READING ON THE ORDINANCE AND A PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL ON THESE ITEMS. WE'LL HAVE A VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE 16TH.
WE ALWAYS DO EVERYTHING WITH TWO READINGS.
AND SO THERE'S A SECOND READING ON AUGUST THE 23RD.
SO THAT MEANS THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU SAW EMBEDDED IN MY GIANT PILE THERE, UH, WE'LL ALL BE APPROVED AND SIGNED OFF ON BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE EVENING OF THE 23RD.
AND THAT ALLOWS YOU GUYS TO BE READY TO VOTE ON THE 30TH.
SO ITEM SEVEN IS DISCUSSING KENDRICK CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO CITY OF TERRELL.
I'M NOT, I'M GOING TO S UM, SINCE IF THERE'S NOT ANY EMOTIONS COMING FORWARD ON THESE ITEMS, THEY'RE JUST, THEY WILL JUST FALL AWAY AND PASS.
IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM SEVEN, ITEM EIGHT, UH, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL AND TERS NUMBER TWO, NO MOTIONS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NINE, UH, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY OF TERRELL CHURCH.
NUMBER THREE, ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS HEARING NONE I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 10, DISCUSSING CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FOR CITY OF TERRELL TERS NUMBER FOUR.
I DON'T HEAR ANY MOTIONS COMING FORWARD TO THAT.
[11. Commissioner Barber; Discuss/Consider Oak Point Addition; Shepherd Place Homes, Inc. on CR 303/304 in Terrell ETJ; Bart Carroll; surveyor.]
TO ITEM 11 THAT'S COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSS CONSIDER OAK POINT EDITION PARK SHEPHERD PLACE HOMES INC.ON COUNTY ROAD 303, 304 INTERNALLY.
DID YOU WANT TO CLICK THROUGH THIS AND MR. CARROLL? UH, GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR.
UM, UH, OUR LITTLE DEVELOPMENT IS BASICALLY A 31 MONTH SUBDIVISION AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD, 3 0 3 AND 3 0 4.
UH, WE ARE AT A STAGE THAT WE ARE COMPLETED WITH THAT PROJECT.
AND, UH, JUST SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL.
WE'VE DONE A WALK THROUGH WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBER'S, UH, SUPERVISOR, UH, AARON, UH, CONWAY.
AND, UH, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU OR, UM, SO, UH, IS THIS AN APPROVAL OF A SUBDIVISION? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
CHECKING THE DRAINAGE AND IT'S ALL GOOD.
SO THE ONLY REQUEST IS THAT WE WERE ACCEPTING THE ROAD, RIGHT? I DON'T, YEAH.
I ASKED THE QUESTION, CAUSE I'M NOT REAL CLEAR.
ARE WE ACCEPTING THE ROADS IN THE SUBDIVISION INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM OR? OKAY.
ACCORDING TO THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT I'VE READ THAT THE CITY OF TERRELL HAD ATJ REGULATIONS OVER THERE.
SO EVERYTHING WAS BUILT TO TERRELL STANDARDS, AS FAR AS THE ROADWAY, ROSE HILL HAS THE WATER.
AND WE ACTUALLY USE TERRELL STANDARDS TO, UH, TO BUILD TO ROSE HILL, WHICH THEY WOULD ALLOW THE SMALLER WATER LINE, BUT WE ENDED UP WITH EIGHT INCH WATER LINES OUT THERE FOR IT.
SO IT IS LIKE A SABIAN IN THE ETJ LIKE THAT.
SO THE ROADS AND THE DRAINAGE WILL FALL IN TO THE COUNTY, GO THROUGH THEIR MAINTENANCE PERIOD.
AND, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ACCEPTED INTO THE COUNTY AFTER I BELIEVE IT'S A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY THE LENGTH OF TIME.
IS IT TWO YEARS? IT'S A TWO YEAR.
SO YOU WILL PROVIDE A MAINTENANCE BOND FOR THE TWO YEARS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ROSE HILL HANDLES ALL THE WATER AND, UH, THE, THEY WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY.
SO IS THIS SPECIFIC ENOUGH KAREN FOR ACCEPTING THAT ROAD? UH, I MEAN, I, I JUST, I
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MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S ALL SORTS OF HISTORY WITH ISSUES ABOUT COUNTY ROADS AND NOT COUNTY ROADS AND ALL THAT.SO FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, HAS OUR COUNTY ENGINEER WITH AARON LOOKED AT THE ROADS TO, UM, APPROVE, APPROVE THEM.
AND IS THIS ROAD ACCEPTANCE FOR TODAY OR IS IT SOMETHING TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE? WELL, AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME WE, WE WALKED THROUGH ON THURSDAY, UH, AND I BELIEVE BARON WAS FINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DID ON THURSDAY FOR THE WALKTHROUGH.
SO THIS WILL START THE MAINTENANCE PERIOD.
THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE SPIRIT,
USUALLY OUR ENGINEER, I BELIEVE WOULD DO THAT INSPECTION, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE LAST ONE THAT I ACCEPTED, WE WENT THROUGH THE HOME STATE, WE INSPECTED THE STEEL AND WE INSPECTED THE BASE.
WE INSPECTED THE CONCRETE ITSELF, THE MAKING SURE IT WAS THE RIGHT MIX AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE GARDEN TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS.
SO I GUESS, DID THAT GO THROUGH WHERE WE WENT THROUGH? WELL, IT'S ALREADY BUILT WHEN WE DONE, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND INSPECTED IT, I HAD MY ASSISTANT FOREMAN WHO'S CONCRETE GUY.
HE WENT THROUGH, HE INSPECTED, IT, LOOKED AT THE ROAD, WALKED THE WHOLE THING AND MADE SURE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD.
EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD TO HIS REQUIREMENTS AND IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT TO THE TERRIBLE STANDARDS CAUSE IT'S IN THE ETJ AND WE'VE DONE THAT.
AND I FORWARDED ALL THE TESTING RESULTS TO TESTING LAB RESULTS.
AND SO IT WAS ALL INSPECTED AND ALL THE LAB RESULTS HAVE ALL BEEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY INSPECTOR.
IN THE TURNS, THE TESTING LAB, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ONE I'M SAYING, UM, AND I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THE ROADS AS MUCH AS I'M THINKING ABOUT THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE ACTION THAT WE TAKE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I WOULD, I WONDER IF WE COULD ASK, MAYBE BRING THIS BACK AND ASK THE CIVIL TO, TO PROVIDE US WITH AN AGENDA ITEM, WITH A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE SHOULD USE TO ADOPT A ROAD INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD AND IS THAT GONNA, THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
WE PUT THIS OFF UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
COULD, COULD WE DO IT NEXT WEEK? AND YES.
JUST SO WE GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHTS.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UH, I W I'M GONNA DIFF I THINK THERE'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD NORMALLY PHRASE THIS.
YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SOME STEPS THAT IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO PHRASE THIS AS ACTUALLY WROTE ACCEPTANCE PER THE SUBDIVISION LAND REGULATIONS, THEN IF YOU DON'T WANT, I'D LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN ORDER AND, UM, THE AGENDA ITEM SET FORTH SO THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COULD, COULD DO THAT NEXT WEEK.
THERE'S BEEN A, THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY, I THINK, IN THE COUNTY WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOING BACK A LOT OF YEARS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ABOUT WHETHER A ROAD IS ACCEPTED OR NOT ACCEPTED AND ALL THAT.
AND THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE SHOULD USE IN THIS ACTION OF THE THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UH, WHEN, UH, MR. CARROLL FIRST STARTED THE PROJECT OVER THERE, WE HAD SOME ISSUES AND HE WAS VERY PROMPT TO COOPERATE AND GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED OUT.
SO HE'S A GOOD GUY TO WORK WITH.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY CONFUSING DEAL BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE ETJ ISSUE AND THEN A COUNTY ISSUE.
AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE RIGOROUS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, REVIEWS AND COMMENTS FROM THE CITY THAT IT NEVER WENT TO.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT THE MAKING SURE THAT WE TAKE THE, THAT WE PAY, TAKE THE PROPER FORMAL ACTION IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THE ROAD INTO THE SYSTEM AND KAREN CAN HELP WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN COME BACK NEXT TO THE ROAD.
ARE YOU APPROVING THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, PLAT FILING AND ALL THAT? SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST ACCEPTING.
I WANT TO PULL THE CLASSES BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY RECORDED THE PLAT.
CAUSE PART OF OUR PROCESS IS THE LANGUAGE ON THE FLAT WOULD SAY
AND SO BEFORE YOU GO TO RECORDING, WE NEED TO SETTLE ALL THIS BEFORE YOU RECORD THAT.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TURNED INTO THE CITY FOR THE FINAL PLAT STAGE.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND FEES AND FALLING, AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN TURNED IN, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA YET, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE I'M GOING TO FIND OUT WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE ON THEIR AGENDA.
BUT I CAN FORWARD YOU THE PLAN AND YOU CAN, OR YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT YOU NEED ME TO REVISE AND THEN THAT WAY I CAN GET THEM TO APPROVE IT TOO.
I GUESS Y'ALL HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, SO THEY ULTIMATELY WOULD KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, THEY INTEND SUBMIT THEIR GEOTECHNICAL,
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UH, BILLS TO THE CITY OF TERRIBLE AND THE CITY OF TERRIBLE AGREED THAT IT WAS BUILT TO STANDARD.AND THAT'S WHEN A MAN, I MEAN, CAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I MADE SURE THAT WE, THEN, IF YOU, IF YOU LET IT GO FORWARD WITH WHAT'S ON HERE IN 10 YEARS, NOBODY WOULD KNOW THAT WE ACCEPTED IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED.
SO WE'LL, SO WE'LL DEFER TO THE LAST KAREN, AND NOW WE'RE MONIQUE.
IF SHE NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED TO WORK WITH YOU AND JUST GET ALL THIS LANGUAGE RIGHT.
SO WE MAKE SURE WE DO A GOOD JOB AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK NEXT WEEK.
SO IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION ON 11 AND WE'LL JUST
[12. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/consider approval for 3 interlocal cooperation contracts with the City of Oak Ridge for routine blading maintenance of County Roads 139, 279, and 279A for a total of 12 times.]
MOVE ON TO 12 THAT'S COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR THREE AND A LOCAL COOPERATION CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF OAK RIDGE FOR ROUTINE BLADING MAINTENANCE OF COUNTY ROADS, 1 3 9 2 7 9 2 7 9 8 FOR A TOTAL OF 12 TIMES.THIS IS JUST RENEWING THE, THE, UH, TRIED TO, WE HAVE WITH THEM, THEY DON'T LOCAL COOPERATION FOR, UH, TO DO THESE PROJECTS.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM.
12 IS PRESENTED FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
[13. Teressa Floyd; Discuss/Consider approval to begin tax collections for Cartwright Ranch Public Improvement District.]
ITEM 13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVAL TO BEGIN TAX COLLECTIONS FOR CARTWRIGHT RANCH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.SO YEAH, WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT WANTS TO CONTRACT WITH US TO COLLECT THEIR, UH, TAXES ON THEIR, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
AND I HAD A QUESTION LAST WEEK AS TO WHERE IT WAS LAST WEEK, THE ONES WE HAD, THOSE WERE IN THE CITY OF HORNY.
I THINK I SENT AN EMAIL OUT, BUT THIS ONE IS IN THE CITY OF CRANDALL.
UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE A TAX COLLECTIONS FOR CARRA RANCH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT? WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER IN CASE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
[14. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider change order to original contract for CR 4116 in the amount of $157,376.30; awarded to TexasBit, Precinct 4; utilizing RFP 21-11. ]
UP RAYLAND SMITH DISCUSSING CONSIDER CHANGE TO ORIGINAL CONTRACT FOR COUNTY ROAD 41, 1 6 IN THE AMOUNT OF A HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN, THREE SEVENTY SIX AWARDED TO TEXAS BID PRECINCT FOR UTILIZING RFP 2111.WHAT WE HAVE IS JUST SIMPLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL OVERLAY AND MINT.
THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD BOND PROJECT, SO WE'RE JUST AMENDING THE CONTRACT QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER CAGE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SAY AGAIN.
SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
NO MOTION CARRIES BACK TO RAELYNN,
[15. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider pricing proposal and contract between Kaufman County and L3Harris Technologies, Inc. for Kaufman County Sheriff's Office - Communication Tower System & Upgrade in the amount of $2,985,441.75 payable through FY 2022, FY 2023, & FY 2024; utilizing Sourcewell Contract 834- 027680. ]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER PRICING PROPOSAL AND CONTRACT BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND L THREE HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMUNICATION TOWER SYSTEM, AND UPGRADE IN THE AMOUNT OF 2 MILLION NINE HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE, FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY $1 PAYABLE THROUGH FISCAL YEAR, 2020 2, 23 AND 24 UTILIZING THE SOURCE WHEEL CONTRACT 34, 27, 6 80.SO WE ARE FINALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QSO, UH, COMMUNICATIONS TOWER, OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF AND BN, AND ALSO HARRY FROM HARRY MADIX FROM L THREE IS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
UM, I WANTED TO REFER BACK TO THE BUDGET INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR YOUR BUDGET PACKETS.
SO WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE 600,000, WHICH, UH, GOES INTO LINE WITH THE PAYMENT MILESTONES.
SO INITIALLY WE'RE GOING TO PAY 20% THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UH, WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF APPROXIMATELY 45% OF THE PROJECT IN FISCAL YEAR TWO, UH, WHICH IS WITHIN THE REQUESTS THAT I MADE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023.
AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP, UH, WITH THE FINAL MILLION THE LAST YEAR.
SO IT WILL TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM INSTALLED.
AND THE BUDGET NUMBERS WILL ALLOW FOR EVERYTHING THAT WAS WITHIN THE DISCLAIMER IN PRICING.
I DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT LEGAL HAS REVIEWED THE CONTRACT.
THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE FORWARDED TO THREE.
SO ANY APPROVAL FROM YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, FINAL REVIEW FROM LEGAL OF THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE.
SO THIS IS A BIG PROJECT AND I KNOW IT'S ONE THAT'S BEEN ON THE SHERIFFS LIST FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
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I THINK WE'RE GOOD.AND AGAIN, THE ONE THING THAT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS WORKING WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US THAT HAS HARRIS RADIOS, WHICH IS HENDERSON COUNTY, UH, ROCKWALL COUNTY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS VANZANT COUNTY FIXED AND GO TO, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UPGRADE OUR SYSTEM, BE ABLE TO MAKE ONE BIG SYSTEM AROUND HERE, TO WORK, PLUS BE ABLE TO ADD ANOTHER, UH, PONANT WHERE WE CAN PATCH MORE RODEO TOGETHER.
WHERE'S THIS TOWER GOING TO BE INSTALLED? THAT TOWERS IS ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER THERE BY THE SUBSTATION.
FORTUNATELY SHE NOTES THAT YES, THAT WAS ADDITIONAL LAND THAT WAS DONATED, UH, MORNING, THIS HOUR ITSELF.
AND THE COMPLETION DATE IS 20, 24 YEARS TO BUILD THIS THING WHERE I'M THAT AND TRYING TO GET ONE BOAT IS TIME, TIME THEY GET IT BAILED ME OUT OF THING.
UH, SO Y'ALL HEARD THE DISCUSSION ON A 15, IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE A MOTION? YOU MIGHT MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
SO COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MOVES TO APPROVE ITEM 15 IS PRESENTED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[16. Karen Badgley/DA's Office; Discuss and consider lease agreement and permission to finalize purchase contract between Kaufman County and the Kaufman County Children's Advocacy Center, Inc., for property located at 2005 S. Houston Street, Kaufman, Texas, for an amount not to exceed $1,900,000.00. ]
BACHELOR LEAD DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TEST CUS CONSIDERED LEASE AGREEMENT AND PERMISSION TO FINALIZE PURCHASE CONTRACT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 5 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,900,000.THIS IS THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THE COFFIN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER.
AND WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS LEASE AGREEMENT INCLUDES ALL OF THE TERMS THAT, UM, THE COURT AND THE CAC WOULD LIKE IN THE, UM, LEASE.
I CAN, UM, GO OVER THE LEASE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR WANTS THESE SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
BUT, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, THERE'S A CAP LIKE RAELYNN MENTIONED NOT TO EXCEED, I THINK 1.9 MILLION.
AND, UM, IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER? THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT I THINK YOU AND RAELYNN AND I, ALONG WITH THE CAC ADDED IS THAT, UM, THE TERM OF THE LEASE IS, IS 10 YEARS.
AND IF, UM, AND IT CAN BE RELEASED FOR SUBSEQUENT TEN-YEAR PERIODS PROVIDED THE LEASE OR THE LEASE, HE RENEW THE LEASE WITHIN 270 DAYS OF LISA'S EXPIRATION DATE.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO PROVIDE LONG-TERM HOUSING FOR THE CAC.
UM, AND THE ONLY OTHER ADDITIONAL CHANGE THAT WAS REALLY MADE IS, UM, IF THE COUNTY, FOR SOME REASON NEEDED TO SELL THAT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR THE BUILDING WERE SOLD, UM, THE COUNTY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE EXISTING LEASE PERIOD, THE COUNTY WOULD EITHER BUY ANOTHER BUILDING OR PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF HOUSING ARRANGEMENT FOR THE CAC, UM, FOR THE REMAINING LEASE PERIOD.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE COUNTY COULD NOT SELL THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OUT FROM UNDER THE CAC WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SOLD THE BUILDING IN 60 DAYS AND THE NEW OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO RENEW THAT LEASE OR PURSUANT TO THOSE LEASE TERMS. AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UM, ALLOW THE COUNTY OF IF THE BUILDING EVER NEEDED TO BE SOLD, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEN, UM, THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL IT, BUT CAC WOULD ALSO BE PROTECTED SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOT HAVE A BUILDING TO FUNCTION OUT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT.
WHERE DID WE SETTLE ON MAINTENANCE? UM, DID YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO READ THE LEASE? THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES REGARDING MAINTENANCE, SOME MAINTENANCE, THE, UM, THE CAC WILL TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE LARGER MAINTENANCE, SUCH AS THE HVHC AND BUILDING SYSTEMS. UM, THE COUNTY WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT, BUT THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY DETAILED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT LEASE AGREEMENT IS PRESENTED ON ITEM 16 AND I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER HAUNT.
IS THERE A SECOND? SO AGAIN, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION
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THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.[17. Zennell Andy; Discuss and consider Bill of Sale of Vehicle for Asset #13089 (2018 Ford Explorer PIU] between Kaufman County and the City of Talty in the amount of $11,000. ]
TWO 17 JANELL ANDY DISCUSSING CONSIDER BILL OF SALE BILL OF SALE, A VEHICLE FOR ASSET 1,389.IT'S AN 18 EXPLORER BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ITALY.
TALTI AGAIN, THE GLASSES THING, A CITY OF TOUTING AMOUNT OF 11,000.
I'M JUST COMING TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SELLING THIS VEHICLE.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP OUT OUR FELLOW PDS QUESTIONS.
NO, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT SALE IS PRESENTED? WE HAD A MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNTERS OR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES BACK TO DANELLE,
[18. Zennell Andy; Discuss/Consider receipt, transfer, and disposal of County-owned assets. ]
DISCUSS CONSIDERED RECEIPT TRANSFER AND DISPOSAL OF COUNTY OWNED ASSETS.AND THIS ONE, UM, WE HAVE A FEW VEHICLES THAT ARE READY TO BE SOLD.
UM, AND THE AMENDMENT THAT I HAD TO MAKE TO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IS THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER IS WANTING TO SELL ONE OF THEIR VEHICLES.
UM, AND SO JUST PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTIONING OFF A FEW OF VEHICLES AND SAILING A VEHICLE.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER DISPOSAL OF THOSE COUNTY ON ASSETS? UM, MAKE A MOTION.
WE HAD A MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBERS, OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM 19.
[19. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving amendments to the Subdivision and Land Development Regulations. ]
MONIQUE.DANIELLE MONI CONNOR DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER A WHILE BACK, WE CONTRACTED WITH TNP TO GO THROUGH OUR REGULATIONS, CLEAN THEM UP, UM, TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE SMALL DEVELOPERS, AS WELL AS THE LARGE DEVELOPER.
THERE WERE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED.
SO TMP TOOK THE REGS AND STARTED MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN TWO PARTS AND THIS IS THE FIRST PART.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS CHANGED WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR PACKETS SO THAT YOU COULD CLEARLY SEE THE LANGUAGE ON HOW IT READS NOW.
UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ONE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON HOW THAT WAS LAID OUT OR ANYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN THERE.
THE ONE I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH SECTION 10, WHICH WAS A SEPARATE AMENDMENT AS WELL.
UM, THAT SECTION, THE ENTIRE SECTION WAS AMENDED, UM, TO INCLUDE LODGING, UM, AS WELL AS RV PARKS.
SO IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN IN A MEETING WITH US WITH AN RV PARK, THEY CONSTANTLY CAME BACK AT US SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT A MANUFACTURED HOME RENTAL COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, WENT OUT AND FOUND AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION THAT TOLD US THAT WE COULD REGULATE RV PARKS AND HOW WE COULD DO IT.
AND SO I ATTACH THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION AS WELL.
SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THAT.
AND WE WENT AHEAD AND IMPLEMENTED THOSE CHANGES INTO SECTION 10.
SO UPON APPROVAL TODAY, THEY WILL GO INTO EFFECT TODAY.
SO ANY APPLICATION THAT IS TURNED IN TODAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THESE.
WELL, IF SOMEONE TURNS IT IN EARLIER AFTER WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHEN IT WENT INTO A FAKE, IT GOES INTO EFFECT THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT.
AND NOT A MOMENT BEFORE TURN OFF THE DOOR, WE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH, UM, AND WE, WE ENTERED THE WORD LODGING DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A GRAY AREA ON TINY HOMES, UM, RENTAL CABIN, YURTS CONTAINERS.
AND SO ANYTHING THAT'S LODGING IS GOING TO FALL UNDERNEATH THESE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO, UM, ALSO, AND, UM, UH, PAUL'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RV PARKS ARE QUITE DANGEROUS FIREWISE WHEN YOU DON'T PUT ENOUGH SPACING, YOU DON'T FOLLOW THOSE ONE GOES UP THE NEXT 10 GO UP.
UM, THESE ARE ALSO GOING TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY THAT PEOPLE CAN'T JUST TAKE AND PUT AN RV TWO FEET APART, IF ON AS MUCH LAND AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY SQUEEZE IN, IT'S GOING TO GIVE US SOME HEALTH AND SAFETY AS WELL.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IN FIRE SUPPRESSION.
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THAT THE PEOPLE STAYING THERE ARE AT LEAST COVERED.WELL, WE KIND OF SAW THAT THE OTHER DAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PERMISSION TO THESE AMENDMENTS.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IS PRESENTED.
I'LL MAKE IT WHERE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER AND CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THANKS FOR YOUR WORK, MONIQUE.
[20. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections. ]
DISCUSS LINE ITEM IN BUDGET TRANSFERS CORRECTIONS.GOOD MORNING, BUT THESE WERE EMAILED TO YOU LAST WEEK.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE LINE OUT OF A BUDGET TRANSFERS, CORRECTIONS AS PRESENTED ON MAKING THE MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS? IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SACRAMENT, BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, ITEM
[21. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor. ]
21 DISCUSSING CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENTS IN OUR FINANCIAL INFORMATION, YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR $4,875,092 AND 4 CENTS.ALL THESE WERE EMAILED TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW.
WAS YOUR ROAD BOND MONEY, 1,000,120 6,000.
WAS YOUR FACILITIES, BOND MONEY, UM, LEASES AND OPERATING EXPENSES WAS 106,000 AND THEN SEVERAL MISCELLANEOUS FOR ROAD MATERIALS, GAS AND ALL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE FUNDS? IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITORS OR A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AS PRESENTED? SO MOVE, WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER AND CASE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.
UM, I'M GOING TO LET EVERYBODY HAVE ONE OF THOSE.
THAT WAS THE THIRD QUARTER REPORT FROM SENIOR CONNECT, CHECK ONE, PASS IT.
[22. Judge Richards; Discuss the FY22 23 budget. ]
GOING, GONNA START OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.I'M GOING TO, WE TAKE A LITTLE BREAK WITH US.
SO WE WANT TO START WITH THAT ONE THAT HAS THE I'M MOVING TO THE MID, MID POINT.
I'M GOING TO REMIND Y'ALL WHAT ARE, WHAT THE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
UH, THE GOAL FOR THE DAY IS TO COME UP WITH ALL THESE TOTALS ON SALARIES, WHICH IS OUR BIG, THAT'S OUR HEAVY LIFTING DEAL.
AND, UM, WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MATCH THOSE THINGS UP.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE'LL GET ALONG TO THAT, BUT, UM, AARON HAS TO HAVE SOME IDEA.
UM, SHE AND HER FOLKS HAVE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT OUR TOTAL TAX REVENUE AND OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE.
SO THEY CAN AT LEAST PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF A DRAFT BUDGET FOR US TO POST ON THURSDAY.
NO, WAIT, LOOK, KAREN, GET SEATED AND THEN WE'LL START WITH THIS.
SO YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THOSE BUDGET SHEETS THERE.
UM, MOVING PEOPLE TO THE MID MID POINT IS $767,000, RIGHT? KAREN? YES, SIR.
UM, SO, AND THE NOT, I DON'T GET REALLY ANYTHING PARTICULARLY CHANGED IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PART OF THAT.
SO THAT WHOLE THING IS $2.7 MILLION.
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SORRY ABOUT THAT.WE'RE ACTING LAST SCHOOL KIDS.
SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT LAST STATEMENT BACK AGAIN, A LITTLE ISSUE, THEY WERE HITTING THE OIL.
SO YOU HAD THE BUDGET IMPACT, LOWER MID POINT OR MID POINT WAS IT WAS ONE EIGHT, NO, I'M SORRY.
WITH THE 5% IT'S ONE EIGHT WITH THE 5%, THE 7 67, THE 7 67 IS JUST THE MID, THE MOVE TO THE MID POINT.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO, IF WE WERE TO MAKE THOSE MOVES ON SALARIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING OUR RENT.
WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR REVENUE BY $2.7 MILLION TO MAKE THAT MATCH.
AND THAT'S A 5% INCREASE IN OUR TAX REVENUE OVER LASHED, OVER 2022 PREMIERE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? THAT'S 5% JUST FOR SALARIES.
THIS IS THE, THESE ARE NOT SALARIES.
UH, THESE ARE KAREN AND THESE ARE NOT SALARIES.
THIS IS TOTAL IMPACT WITH BENEFITS BENEFITS.
WHY DO YOU DO IT JUGS THEN WE DON'T COME BACK WITH A SURPRISE THAT WE DIDN'T BUDGET ENOUGH.
THAT'S A 5% INCREASE IN WAGES, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A BIGGER PERCENTAGE THAN THAT ON TOTAL COSTS, BUT THAT'S SO, YEAH, THAT HAS GIVEN PEOPLE A 5% COLA MOVING PEOPLE TO THE MID, MID POINT AND, UM, MATCHING THOSE, UH, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.
SO WE'RE AT $2.7 MILLION THERE.
NOW CAN WE TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS AND UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING UPDATE ON THAT? ANY NEW POSITIONS AND, UM, YES.
THAT WOULD BE THIS THAT WE GAVE YOU YESTERDAY.
CAUSE I PUT THE MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR AND THEN I'LL PUT THE DA SEVEN.
DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATED ONE OF YOUR SCIENCE FICTION? IT PASSED IT OUT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD ONE.
CAN YOU GIVE ONE TO BOBBY? PLEASE LET HIM HAVE THAT.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE BACK OF PAGE ONE AT 1.9, THAT $1.9 MILLION IS FOR ALL NEW POSITIONS AND NEW WAGE INCREASES ON THE BACK OF THIS PAGE IN THE PURPLE.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER GUY? EXCUSE ME, CONFUSING.
THIS IS THE EMPLOYEE INCREASES.
IF THEY WERE IN THE SAME POSITION, THIS DOES NOT MEAN LIKE THEY, IN A POSITION, IT WAS BUMPED UP TO ANOTHER POSITION.
THIS IS JUST PRICES THAT WERE GIVEN DURING THE YEAR.
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PROBATION, IT'S STATE MONEY.IF IT'S JUVENILE IT'S COUNTY AND STATE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR JUDGE EARLIER.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WELL, ADULT PROBATION, IT'S ALL STATE MONEY, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THINGS THAT HE DOES THAT STAY JUVENILE.
IT SAYS JUVENILE BASIC SUPERVISION.
BUT IF WE RAISED THE SALARY AS A STATE REQUIRED TO GO ALONG WITH IT, WE DON'T TAKE THEIR SALARIES.
IT'LL ALL COME FROM JUVENILE WILL COME FROM COUNTY FUNDS.
MOST OF IT, A LARGER PERCENTAGE.
ADULT PROBATION AT ALL COMES FROM STATE AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT US.
SO WE SET THE SALARY FOR THE, UH, JUVENILE PEOPLE, RIGHT.
SO WE SET THE SANDWICH WILL COME FROM MASS SITE SUPPLEMENTS TO JUST A SMALL AMOUNT.
ALL IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW, I GUESS YOU'RE RELIGIOUS.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, WELL, WE HAVEN'T REALLY RECEIVED AN UPDATE HEAVY.
I'M TRYING TO GET CONNECTED, BUT I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
THAT'S A BIG BLOCKER IN THE BACK.
NOW THIS, THIS PIECE OF PIPE WHERE YOU JUST CAME OUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSITIONS AND DON'T LOOK AT THE SALARIES.
RIGHT? IS THAT WHICH ONE IS, IS WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THIS ONE RIGHT HERE WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
THIS GOT ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
THESE ARE THE WHITE PAGE, THE WHITE PAGES SALARY INCREASES FOR OTHER PAGES POSITION INCREASES.
AND IF THEY DID, UH, TRIED TO DO A JUSTIFICATION JUDGE, NOTHING YON SAID THAT SHOULD, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED, YOU'D ASK THOSE PEOPLE TO COME ADDRESS YOU SEPARATELY.
UM, SO IF YOU ADD ALL THIS TOGETHER, THAT'S A 16% INCREASE.
THAT'S A 16 THAT REQUIRES A 16% INCREASE OVER OUR TAX REVENUE FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FIRST? YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS.
ARE YOU ON TALKING ABOUT WAGING WAGE REQUESTS IN THIS WHITE SHEET? LET'S TALK ABOUT DIVISION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS.
I DON'T STILL SEE HOW WE CAN FUND ALL OF THESE NEW POSITION REQUESTS.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY FOR, BASED ON WHAT I KNOW AND BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE, THE NEW POSITIONS THAT I THINK LET'S TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO LOWER.
OUR THAT'S GOING TO LOWER THE COST TO THE COUNTY, REALLY JUST, AND I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT IN THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW, THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE GOT THIS MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR PLUGGED IN, UM, ARE Y'ALL WITH ME.
UM, FOR US, I THINK THAT IF YOU TALK TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE AND THE JUDGES AND ALL THAT, I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO HELP US OR NOT, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM THE TIME THAT I'VE SPENT HERE, THE MENTAL HEALTH THING IS IT COSTS THE COUNTY.
WE WERE, IT'S COSTING THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITION THAT WE SHOULD FUND.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU, THIS CAN, THE KNIPPA, WHAT EXACTLY DOES
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KNIPPA DO FOR THE COUNTY? THEY, WE SEND PEOPLE TO THEM AND THEY GET THEM OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE.THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE AN, LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE A, A BENEFITS COORDINATOR.
THEY, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, LAKES, REGIONAL IP, I P S A, WHAT IS IT? IPS? IS THAT RIGHT? THEY HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
AND THEY, THEY COORDINATE THE CARE.
UH, THEIR JOB IS TO COORDINATE IS TO, IS TO PUT THE PEOPLE THAT NEED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES WITH THE RIGHT PROVIDERS, SHERIFF, YOU KNOW, MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEIR ROLE IS, BUT I JUST KIND OF SUBCONTRACTOR EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THEY'RE GETTING BETTER WITH US, BUT, BUT THERE WE ARE REQUIRED.
THEY ARE A MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH BEFORE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M KIND OF GETTING AT THIS MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING THAT DIP IS DOING.
THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH KNIPPA AND THE PROVIDERS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO WHAT MENTAL HEALTH GUY IS WORKING THROUGH THE COURTS AND DOING THAT.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY WALKING INTO THE JUDGE'S OFFICE, TRYING TO WORK, TO GET THEM, TO HELP BREAK THE SOCKET.
SO THEY'RE JUST, IS JUST GOING TO BE A PERSON WE'RE HIRING TO SAY, GO TO KNIPPA.
I, THIS WOULD BE A PERSON THAT WOULD MAYBE I'M SIMPLIFYING IT.
THEY SHOULD BE TALKING TO THEM AND FOLLOWING UP, LIKE WE'RE DOING, CAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING YES, THAT NICHOLAS FOLLOWED UP AND GIVEN THE SERVICES AND WE GOT THE RESOURCES FOR THEM.
BUT JUDGE RICH SAID, IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID, A LOT OF WHAT THIS PERSON IN THIS POSITION WOULD DO IS THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT MARGARET IS DOING IN HIS OFFICE.
IT'S NOT REALLY, HER JOB KIND OF BOTHERED ME THERE, BUT PEOPLE, PEOPLE CALL HER, SOMEBODY SAY, WELL, YOU CAN CALL MARGARET AND SHE CAN TELL YOU WHO CAN HELP YOU WITH YOUR SON.
WHO'S ACTING, YOU KNOW, HE'S ACTING OUT OR HE'S TALKING ABOUT COMMITTING SUICIDE OR SOMETHING.
AND HOPEFULLY THIS PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC AND DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE RIGHT RESOURCE.
SO I GUESS KIND OF WHAT I'M LEADING UP TO ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS WE PAY NIPPO 200 SOMETHING THOUSAND IN THE YEAR, TWO 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO 20 A YEAR.
AND THIS PERSON IS ACTUALLY GOING TO JUST FOLLOW THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THEY DO SO I CAN'T CAUSE THAT'S ALL STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDS NIP IT.
CAN WE REDUCE WHAT WE PAY HIM? AND SINCE WE'RE HIRING SOMEBODY TO FOLLOW THROUGH THE SYSTEM OR CAN WE, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT WE ARE WE'RE WE ARE ASSIGNED A NUMBER, THERE'S A FUNDING FORMULA THAT WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.
UH THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNTIES I'M OH YEAH, YEAH.
AND SO THAT WE ARE, AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW THE FORMULA WORKS, BUT WE ARE ASSIGNED THAT NUMBER, UM, IN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT.
WELL, IT JUST KIND OF JUST STORAGE AND WE HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY IS FOLLOWING THROUGH DOING WHAT THEY DO.
MAYBE I'M WRONG IN STATING THAT.
SO DON'T
I JUST, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
AS FAR AS TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE WITH ME, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NO BRAINERS, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
I THINK IT COST US, I THINK WE PROBABLY SPEND 750 TO, I THINK WE DID SOME CRAZY MATH NUMBERS ONE TIME AND FIGURED OUT THAT WE PROBABLY ARE SPENDING $750,000 A YEAR BECAUSE OF MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
BUT I THINK IF THIS, IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE JOB WITH THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIGHT MANAGEMENT AND SUPERVISION AND ALL THAT, THEY COULD PROBABLY, I THINK THEY COULD RECOUP MORE THAN 150,000, $115,000 A YEAR IN SAVINGS.
BUT I CAN'T BACK THAT UP OTHER THAN JUST SPECULATION.
SHERIFF DID, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALSO HAVE A SALARIED EMPLOYEE THAT HANDLES THOSE, YOU LIKE YOUR MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR SEPARATE FROM THE KNIPPA REPRESENTATIVE.
SO, SO COULD THIS PERSON ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR YOUR PAID EMPLOYEE? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, THIS IS WHAT MY EMPLOYEE DOES.
ALL THE API FILES AND I CAN SEND YOU THE LAST DEAL.
HE JUST SENT ME ON ALL THE EIGHT POUNDS.
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WE AIN'T GO HERE, BUT WE GOT AN APRIL.WE HAVE TO SEND THAT APRIL TO TERRELL STATE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BECAUSE THEY USED TO GIVE US A REPORT.
THEY DON'T GIVE US A REPORT ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, GET WITH NIP, A FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING SERVICES TO THEM TO TRY TO BREAK THE CYCLE.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MAKE SURE THEY GET SERVICES, THEN YEAH.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE HAVING TO GO AROUND TO GET EVERYTHING, TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING UP AND DOING THEIR PART.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT.
AND THE SAME THING IS WHEN WE SEE PEOPLE TO RUSK OR TO TURTLE STATE, WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE FIT TO COME BACK, WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COURTS TO TRY TO MOVE THEM ALONG AS FAST, WHERE THEY DON'T DETERIORATE IN THE JAIL.
THAT'S WHAT MY EMPLOYEES NOTICED.
COULD YOUR GUY, SO I THINK IT'S, IS IT A GUY MR. LIEUTENANT WISE? OKAY.
IF THAT POSITION GOT EXPANDED OR ELEVATED, COULD, COULD YOUR GUY TAKE ON THIS ROLE, BE OUT OF HARM? UH, I'D HAVE TO WORK WITH JUDGE REDS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HE, HIS INTAKE IS BECAUSE I KNOW MY WORD WE'RE DOING A BUNCH OF, I DON'T KNOW.
I THAT'S SOMETHING GOING TO BE, I WOULD SAY I'D LIKE TO GET JUDGED RAISED IN MY CARSON TOGETHER IN THE ROOM THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TAKING AND SEE IF THAT'S CAPABLE OF BEING.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT BECAUSE LET'S JUST SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS LIEUTENANT POSITION WENT TO A CAPTAIN AND WE ELEVATED THE PAY.
COULD THEY, COULD WE THEN ASK THEM TO TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS NOW SORT OF DEFACTO FALLEN TO JUDGE RICH'S COURT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SAY.
I NEED TO FEED THIS NEW, JUST SEE WHAT THE WORKLOAD WE'LL DO THIS.
AND SEEING THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT WORKLOAD.
'CAUSE I KNOW MY GUYS, BECAUSE WE GET, WE GET TONS OF CALLS, PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND OUT THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH, JUST LIKE HE DOES.
AND WE SENT EVERYTHING TO HIM AND HE TAKES CARE OF IT AND GETS THE RESOURCES AND FOLLOWS UP AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR HELP.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY DOING THIS ALREADY KNOW WE'RE DOING AN OFFSITE.
I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IMPACT THEY GOT OVER THERE.
AND I KNOW THEY ARE, CAUSE PEOPLE COME TO THE COURTHOUSE ALL THE TIME WITH ISSUES.
I KNOW JPS ARE DEALING WITH IT ALL TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET WHITE WARRANTS ALSO WHERE WE CAN GET THEM COMMITTED TO WHERE WE HAVE TAKEN TERRIBLE STATE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER DEAL, BUT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE THAT WE HAVE TO FALL, MAKE THEM FALL, OR DO CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MAKE SURE IT'S MOVED TO THE SYSTEM AND WE'RE PAYING THEM 200,000 A YEAR.
BUT THE ONLY WAY TO BREAK THE CYCLE IS WE GOTTA BE IN BUCK.
CAUSE I'M TELLING YOU IT AIN'T WORK FOR YEARS.
AND I HATE TO HATE THAT WE HAVE SPENT TAXPAYER MONEY TO DO IT, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE CHEAP.
IT'S CHEAPER TO FOLLOW UP THAN IT IS TO KEEP THEM IN THE SHARED.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOMEBODY'S GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SYSTEM WAS WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU KNOW HOW, I MEAN, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE BURNING STATE, IT'S STILL AT 800 DAYS BEFORE WE GET ONE OF THEM IN THERE.
CAUSE THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT'S COSTS 300 DAYS FOR GETTING THEM IN TERRIBLE STATE.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT EIGHT OR 10.
AND DURING THAT TIME, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT GETTING ANY BETTER.
WELL, THEY'RE GETTING OUR DOCTOR, BUT THEN WE, WITH OUR CONTRACT, WE HAVE A PSYCHOLOGIST ON HAND THAT MEETS WITH THEM ALL THE TIME.
WE TRY TO GIVE THEM THEIR MEDS, BUT WHEN I HAVE TO PUT THEM IN A SMALL SINGLE CELL, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY, THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE.
WE SHOULDN'T BE TREATING HUMAN BEINGS LIKE YES, UNTIL THE STATE DECIDED TO START FUNDING THE STATE HOSPITAL AND EVERYTHING IT'S UNFUNDED MANDATE TO US AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT'S, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT POCKET IS GOING TO COME OUT OF, BUT SO, SO LET ME, LET ME CALL THE QUESTION ON THAT.
SO WE, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S GOT LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
ARE WE DOING THE SAME THING? ARE WE JUST DUPLICATING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING FROM KNIPPA SO DO Y'ALL WANT TO SCRATCH THIS OFF THE LIST OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT? I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT SHERIFF WAS TALKING ABOUT.
GET TOGETHER WITH JUDGE RICH DA'S OFFICE, WHOEVER NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE LIEUTENANT WEST THAT PERSON.
I WILL, I WILL STOP THAT RIGHT NOW, GET THEM OVER THERE.
SO I'M GOING TO, I VERY WELL REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, AND JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, ELEVATING THAT POSITION OR EXPANDING IT.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UM, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS COME BACK IN A MINUTE AND I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE ONES THAT POSITIONS THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULD FUND.
AND, UM, AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ON MY LIST,
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SO, OKAY.SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT POSITION THAT I AM GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR, OR THAT I'M GOING TO PITCH IS THE DEPUTY CLERK IN THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE.
UM, RHONDA MADE A PRETTY GOOD PRESENTATION.
I FELT LIKE ABOUT THE VOLUME THAT THEY'RE DOING AND PASSPORTS.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE SUPPORT THAT.
WE PLUG IN ONE POSITION TO ADD INTO HER DEPARTMENT TO COVER THAT.
I REALIZE SHE'S ASKING FOR TWO, BUT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE, THAT WE DO THAT ONE.
ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT SUGGESTION? WELL, THE VOLUME, GOOD SUGGESTION.
WE WANT TO TRY TO BE AS FULL SERVICES WE CAN, BUT IF, IF THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THAT IS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE MAKES APPOINTMENTS, BUT WE DON'T, WHICH IS WHAT TAKES UP SO MUCH TIME.
SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE THERE, THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO SERVE PEOPLE.
BUT I AGREE THAT THAT MAYBE THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
OF COURSE YOU MIGHT NOT GET THE VOLUME THAT YOU'RE GETTING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE DRAWING FROM ALL THE WAY AROUND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
I DON'T SEE THE DEMAND ON OUR PASSPORT.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN.
WHETHER THEY GOT TO WAIT TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, THEY'LL JUST STAY IN DALLAS AND THE OTHER.
IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE MAKING APPOINTMENTS OR NOT MAKING APPOINTMENTS.
I THINK IT'S FACT THAT THEY'RE, THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY ARE SPREADING THE WORD THAT THEY'RE GETTING GOOD SERVICE IN HER DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THEY'RE COMING HERE INSTEAD OF GOING TO DALLAS COUNTY OR SOMETHING.
UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S ON MY LIST.
I JUST TALKED TO TRACY WEST, WHICH HE IS
SO IF HE'S TRYING TO GET CJ, BUT HE CAN'T GO MEET WITH HIM, BUT HE'S GOING TO CALL HIM ON THE PHONE.
I SAID, CALL HIM ON THE PHONE.
Y'ALL TALK ABOUT HIS WORKLOAD.
AND HE'LL GET BACK WITH ME HERE.
AS SOON AS I GET THAT WORKED OUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE WORKLOAD, WHO COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHO CAN WE ASK TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT NAFTA AND, UM, ARE, DO WE, IS THIS NOT OPTIONAL? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY CHOICES TO HOW MUCH WE PAINTED? WE HAVE AN ANSWER THERE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A BOARD MEMBER OR SOME TYPE OF REPRESENTATION.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A BOARD MEMBER ON BOARD NOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE I'VE WORKED ON THOSE CONTRACTS SEVERAL TIMES IS THAT THEY SAID THAT AMOUNT AND IT'S NOT REALLY OPTIONAL.
IF THERE'S SOME FORMULA THAT THEY USE THAT MAY BE BASED ON COUNTY POPULATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK ROCKWELL COUNTY MAY PAY A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT WE EITHER HAVE TO FUND THAT NET POSITION OR WE HAVE TO START OUR OWN SOME KIND OF MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.
AND SO AS A MANDATE FROM THE STATE, WE EITHER HAVE TO BE A PART OF ONE OF THE REGIONAL, AND THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME, BUT MENTAL HEALTH, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
THERE'S THAT'S THE WAY THEY WON'T BE INTO IT.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, UM, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE OVER THERE.
UH, CAUSE I THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.
UH, SO THE SHERIFF'S HAD REDUCED HIS DEPUTY COUNT REQUESTS FROM FOUR TO TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IF Y'ALL ARE MOVING THEM FOR INDIVIDUALS, WE'D TAKE ON THE FOUR BACK.
THAT'S ALREADY WORKING FOR ME IN DOING THAT.
THE ONLY ONE CLARIFICATION, I THINK, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THIS ONE SHEET, CAUSE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IS WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE $5,000 ACROSS THE BOARD, PLUS THE STEP PAY ADJUSTMENT.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT FOR SWORN AND SHERIFFS? UH, AND I'M, I'M NOT COUNTING OR I'VE ASKED THEM, WE DON'T COUNT THE CIVILIAN POISON THAT POPULAR.
WELL, THE ONLY ONE I, I WAS, I SPOKE WELL AND YESTERDAY THE ONLY ONE EMPLOYED THAT I HAVE NOT A CIVILIAN THAT IS NOT A LICENSED PERSON IS ONE.
AND THAT'S MY ADMIN ASSISTANT.
THAT IS THE ONLY ONE EVERYONE ELSE IS.
I ACTUALLY WORK IN THE JAIL OR THEY ACTUALLY, YES, THEY ON A WEEKLY BASIS OR A MONTH THEY'RE RUNNING THROUGH THE JAIL.
MOST OF THEM THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE JAIL.
THE IS THE OTHER ONES ARE WORKING IN THE OTHER PART OF IT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, I HEARD YOU SAY THE 1.1, BUT THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE 1.9.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ON THE INVESTIGATOR WAGES ON THE 5,000 PLUS FIXING THE STEP PAY.
IT'D BE THE LAST NUMBER, THE 1.9.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND MAKE SURE MY MATH IS RIGHT.
UH, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I WROTE DOWN WHEN I WAS DOING OKAY.
I THOUGHT I FELT YOU HEARD YOU 1.1.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE, BUT I W I WILL SAY THIS ONLY OTHER TWO, IF WE DO THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'M SHOWING HANDY, TRYING TO HIRE PEOPLE AND DOING THAT.
THIS, THIS IS WHAT I'M WILLING TO DO AT THIS POINT.
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ME THE FOUR, I'LL CUT THE OTHER TWO JUST TO PUT BACK IN.AND THEN MAYBE IF, IF WE GET FULL AND COME BACK, Y'ALL SAID, Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO DO THIS.
I'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND SEE IF, HEY, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE THESE TWO OUT OF THE STEAK AND I'LL, I'LL TAKE THEM OFF.
AND YOU GIVE ME MY FALLBACK AND WE PUT THEM OVER THERE.
AND THEN ALL I'M ASKING IS WE GET GOING AND WE START GETTING FULL.
SO I'M GOING TO RESTATE THAT JUST SO EVERYBODY IS REALLY, REALLY CLEAR THAT THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF IS AGREEING TO TAKE OFF THESE TWO DEPUTY REQUESTS WITH A CONTINGENCY THAT IF, IF HE GETS FULL AND, AND IF HE GETS FULL, THEN HE'S, THEN WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO, IF HE GETS FULL AND HE CAN HIRE THESE TWO GUYS, AND WE GOTTA BE WILLING TO MAKE A, WE GOTTA 'CAUSE.
I MEAN, IT'D BE A LOT LESS THAN THAT.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE ME WHILE TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE HALF THE SALARY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, AS WE NEED THEM, IF I DON'T NEED THEM, I'M NOT GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
I'M TELLING YOU, DISPATCH IS KILLING ME THAT THE, AND THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S, I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE, IF WE, IF WE BUDGET THEM, WE TAKE THAT MONEY OFF THE TABLE AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED.
Y'ALL SAY Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
I'M WILLING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK.
UH, SO IF WE MOVE THESE, THESE POSITIONS, THESE FOUR, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT.
THE FAR MARKS WAS OFFICE, RIGHT? WELL, NO, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS HE'S GOT FOUR DEPUTIES WHO ARE NOT, WHO ARE DOING TWO OF THEM ARE ENVIRONMENTAL AND TWO OF THEM ARE IN THE ANIMAL CONTROL AND WE'RE GOING TO RELEASE HIM FROM THAT AND USE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES TO DO THOSE JOBS.
SO WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THOUGH, IS, OKAY, WE HAVE THESE, THE, BASICALLY THE DOG CATCHER TRUCKS THAT THE GAS, UM, WE'LL TAKE THE STARS OFF AND GIVE THEM TO THEM.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO ADD TWO MORE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD TWO MORE.
WELL, FOUR MORE SQUAD CARS, MORE.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE Y'ALL GOING TO DO WITH THE TRUCKS? WE'LL KEEP THE TRUCKS AND THEN Y'ALL JUST GET THEM SMALLER CHILD.
I DON'T CARE WHAT, LET THEM BE IN.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM DAY.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SPARE CARDS.
I'VE HAD VERY FEW, WE'VE CUT OUR SPARE CARS DOWN VERY LITTLE AND WE'RE USING THE HECK OUT OF THEM WITH THE HOBBITS.
WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT INTO THIS DEAL BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A RAYLAND I CAN TALK TO HER IN A MINUTE.
CAUSE I KNOW SHE ADDED THEM CARS IN FOR THEM POSITIONS.
SO THERE, THERE MIGHT BE THAT ALREADY IN THERE AND I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER.
THE ANIMAL TRUCKS WILL WE'LL GET THEM, BUT I GOT TO REPLACE THEM BACK TO PUT THEM BACK ON THE STREET.
LET'S GO, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO LET'S, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR OPINION, SHERIFF, AND THAT IS ON THE ANIMAL TRANSPORT PEOPLE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, AND I'LL, UH, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS A POPULAR IDEA THAT THE W SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
ORIGINALLY, MONIQUE VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE ON THE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL POSITIONS AND HER DEPARTMENT AND THE TWO ANIMAL CONTROL POSITIONS.
SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT THEY, THAT THE TWO ANIMAL CONTROL PEOPLE NOT WOULDN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPIED ALL THE TIME.
AND YOU KNOW, MONIQUE IS AN, IS I THINK SHE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE, PROBABLY MAYBE THE BEST MANNERS THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE COUNTY AS FAR AS MANAGING HER DEPARTMENT GOES.
AND SO SHE WAS TALKING TO THE FIRE, MARSHALL AND FIRE MARSHALL SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE THESE TWO INSPECTORS.
AND YOU KNOW, THEIR TIME IS GOING TO BE FLEXIBLE SO THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO ANIMAL TRANSPORTS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE, THAT'S HOW IT LANDED.
AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THEIR COOPERATING TOGETHER.
BUT WHAT I HEARD, NOBODY ELSE SEEMED TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD.
I THOUGHT WE SHOULD TRUST THE FIRE MARSHALL TO TRY TO, TO SEE IF THAT WORKS OR NOT.
FIRST THING I THAN, BECAUSE IT'S RUTLAND JUST SENT ME A TEXT, SAYS THE FLEET BUDGET IS BUILT IN ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.
THERE'S ROOM IN THE BUDGET THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF FOR BRINGING THEM.
AND THEN FAR AS, LET ME, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION.
I JUST GOT, CAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND I'M TRYING TO BUILD EVERYTHING FAR AS ANIMAL CONTROL.
I'LL TELL YOU THIS LAST MONTH, UH, WE PICKED UP $123 THIS LAST MONTH.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU SAID THAT EACH CALL WAS AVERAGED ABOUT TWO HOURS, RIGHT? I THINK YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED, 146 HOURS.
W SO WHAT, WHAT MONIQUE WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT AGAIN, I THINK BECAUSE SHE'S A REALLY GOOD MANAGER, THERE WILL BE DAYS WHEN THEY RE, BUT THERE MAY BE DAYS WHEN THEY'RE NOT BUSY.
I GET, I GET TONS OF ANIMAL CALLS.
I MEAN, I GET ANIMAL CALLS LIKE CRAZY.
YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, WALTER DOCS IS
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THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUY AND HE WORKS OUT OF MY OFFICE AND HE'S ACTUALLY IN MY BED.AND, UH, W WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT POSSIBLY MAKING THESE CIVILIAN POSITIONS WHERE MAYBE THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUY IS SLASH ENVIRONMENTAL SLASH UH, YOU KNOW, THE DOG GALLERY, YOU KNOW, AND HE'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
AND, UH, I MEAN, HE STAYS BUSY, BUT HE MAY HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT.
OR YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THIS INSTEAD OF TO INSPECTOR ANIMAL TRANSPORT, INCREASE THAT TO THREE, WHICH OUGHT TO GIVE THEM ALL MORE FLEXIBILITY, OUGHT TO GIVE THE FARM MARTIAL INSPECTION PROGRAM, MORE AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND HAVE A OVERFLOW.
AND THAT STILL IS ONLY ABOUT 68,000 ADDED TO THE BUDGET.
OR WE CAN JUST GO AND JUST GIVE THE FIRE MARSHALL ONE INSPECTOR AND LET THE CIVILIANS ANIMAL TRANSPORT BE UNDER THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS CIVILIANS.
I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, I, I GUESS I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT SORT OF A THING, AND THEY DID ALL AGREE OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHARES THAT YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER.
YOU DON'T CARE ONE WAY EITHER WHICH WAY Y'ALL DECIDED HE DON'T BOTHER ME.
IF I, IF I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY, I'LL DO IT.
IF Y'ALL WANT TO HAND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S Y'ALL'S CHOICE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GROW UP ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I THINK IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IS WE'RE, I'M A GREENWAY.
AND THE TWO DEPARTMENT HEADS SAY THAT CAN DO IT.
THEY, THEY SAY THEY CAN DO IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST ONE TO, BUT, OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF THE IDEA OF ASKING THEM TO STEP THAT WITH THREE POSITIONS? DO YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE DOING INSPECTIONS AND ANIMAL TRANSPORT? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
I'M WILLING TO LET THEM TRY IT FOR A WHILE AND I WANT TO SEE SOME RESULTS.
KAREN AND BRANDY, YOU ALL TAKING NOTES OVER THERE? IT'S CONFUSING, BUT WE'RE STILL MOVING THE FOUR OUT.
FOR ME, YOU'RE MOVING THE FOUR OUT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR THREE CIVILIAN POSITIONS.
THAT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF A FIRE INSPECTOR AND ADDITIONAL IN ANIMAL VIEW.
I'LL LET YOU GET THAT CLARIFIED.
AND I GOT ONE ON THE THING I'D LIKE TO, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
UH, THE ONE THING I, YOU CLARIFIED THAT A NUMBER CARD, JUST FYI WE'LL YOU'LL KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE AND DEPUTIES AND ALL THAT ELLIS COUNTY, I HAD TO GO WITH 2020 NUMBERS, NOT THE NEWEST DEAL WHERE I COULD COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.
YOU KNOW, ELLIS COUNTY IS 1 79, 4 84 WITH THE DEAL.
AND THEN YOU TAKE OUT THE CITIES.
THEY END UP WITH 107, THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICES, 17,000 4 46.
AND THEY'RE DOING ABOUT 49% OF THE POPULATION, RIGHT? GRAYSON COUNTY JUST GAVE ME THE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE AT 133,000 POPULATION REGRESSION COUNTIES, KEVIN, ABOUT 58,000.
THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICES, 14,000 4 75.
I'M STILL WAITING ON HUNT COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE 25,000, BUT THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE TRAFFIC STOP.
I WANTED TRUE CALLS FOR SERVICE ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT OFFICER'S INITIATED.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE AT 1 43, 1 98, WE'RE COVERING 73, WHICH IS ABOUT 50%.
AND OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE 3,542.
UH, SO JUST READING YOUR CALLS FOR SERVICE BY COUNTY, YOU'VE GOT HUNT COUNTY IS 25, WHICH I THINK THAT'S LOWER BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TRAFFIC STOPS.
HE'S TRYING TO GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION.
GRAYSON COUNTY IS 14,000 4 75, AND WE'RE 35, 4 0 2.
AND THAT'S TRUE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT OF TRAFFIC STOPS AND INITIATED STUFFING OR FROM ALL OF THAT.
NO, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S JUST US, BUT BECAUSE OUR CALLS FOR SERVICES 127,003, DESPITE, UH, WHICH BRINGS US, THANK YOU, SHERIFF, WHICH BRINGS US DOWN TO THE CALL CENTER.
UH, AND WE WE'VE GOT THE GOOD STATISTICS ON THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS.
THE NEXT ONE THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE FOR IS ONE POSITION IN IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS IT WOULD BE.
I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO, UH, NATHAN, SORRY.
YEAH, JUDGE RICH IS COMING OVER TO, UH, LIKE TALK TO HIM.
SO HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE'S THAT SHEET THAT YOU HAD RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSITION OF MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR, RIGHT? UH, WE
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HAVE A TOTAL COST FOR THAT POSITION AT $116,000.UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS ASKED HERE IS, WELL, AREN'T, WE JUST WE'RE PAYING NIPPING TO DO THIS IS, I MEAN, ISN'T THIS USING NIPPLES? SHOULDN'T, NYMPHA BE DOING THIS.
SHOULD WE BE HIRING AN EXTRA PERSON? AND, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP IS WHERE HE SAID, I GAVE IT, I GAVE IT TO HIM.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE THAT YOU TH THAT YOU GAVE US THERE BECAUSE WE GOT $115,000 IN SA IN SALARY COST OR WEIGHT, TOTAL $85,000 IN WAGES.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AT 15 OR $20,000.
IS THAT JUST OUT OF YOUR BUDGET OR WHAT IS THAT? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, THIS PERSON WOULD BE USED BY EVERYONE, ALL THE COURTS.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE, IT WOULD BE SPREAD IT OUT, SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE BUDGETS, OR, UM, YOU CREATE ANOTHER BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR ME OR SOMETHING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE, GUYS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT POCKET IT GOES INTO.
IF WE DO IT, IT'S GOING TO COST THE COUNTY $115,000.
AND REMEMBER, WE'RE WORKING ON TOTALS.
HERE IS ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE THAT PERSON'S GOING IN THROUGH THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT.
BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO WORK FOR ALL FOUR OR FIVE COURTS, THERE'S NO WAY OF SPLITTING ALL THAT UP, JUDGE.
WELL, MAKE YOUR OWN DEPARTMENT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SOME SUPPLIES AND STUFF, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE UP A SMALL BUDGET AND THEN COME BACK AND ADJUST IT MAYBE LATER.
AND HE SUGGESTED 65 AND I'M THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE 85, THE RANGE, 60 TO 85.
SO IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER DEPENDING ON WHO HE HIRES.
IF YOU GET SOMEBODY WITH ALL THOSE DEGREES AND CERTIFICATIONS, PROBABLY NOT.
UH, WHILE HE'S HERE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE KNIPPA DEAL? I MEAN, YOU JUST KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE WERE PAYING KNIPPA TO DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING AND THE SHERIFFS KIND OF INFORMED US.
THEY HAVE SOMEBODY KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE YOUR SURE THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO BE CANDID WITH YOU.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK NIP IS DOING THEIR JOB.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT ARGUING, MAN.
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY $250,000 A YEAR FOR THIS SERVICE.
UM, AND IT'S LOOK, THEY DO SOME GOOD THINGS, BUT THEY'RE OVER THERE KIND OF THE UMBRELLA AND THEY'RE OVER THE CARE PROVIDERS.
THEY SEE THAT THOSE PEOPLE GET FUNDED.
THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION WITH NEPA.
AND I DON'T KNOW, WE, I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT LETTING LU TENANT WISH TO DO THIS.
HE DOES A GOOD JOB IN WHAT HE'S DOING WITH THE APRILS.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO OVERLOAD HIM TO THE POINT THAT HE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE ANOTHER POSITION FOR THAT TO HELP HIM IF YOU DO THAT, UH, AT, AT THE VERY LEAST IN YOUR OFFICE.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, THERE'S I, YOU KNOW, I WISH I CAN CONVEY TO YOU OR COMMUNICATE TO YOU.
THE NUMBER OF CALLS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN OUT OF THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, THIS PERSON WOULD BE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON MENTAL HEALTH WOULD BE DOING CONFERENCES WOULD BE DOING, UH, WHY WARRANTS THAT WOULD COME TO ME.
SHE WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE EVALUATIONS ONCE THEY'RE DONE.
AND THEY'RE, UH, FOR THE COURTS AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE JUDGES.
THERE'S NO ONE LINE OF COMMUNICATION NOW, IS THAT WORTH 115, $120,000 A YEAR? I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS THAT'S A DECISION YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT OFF THE CONVERSATION BY SAYING THAT WE, THAT I COULDN'T COME UP WITH REAL SOLID NUMBERS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COSTS THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY TO DEAL WITH IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER PLACES WITH PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GETTING PROPER CARE.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO SAVE MONEY.
NOW, WHEN I SAY SAVE MONEY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I HAVEN'T PUT THOSE FIGURES OUT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT PUTTING THOSE FIGURES TOGETHER, HOW YOU WOULD WEIGH THOSE FACTORS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT.
I JUST, I JUST CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IN ALL HONESTY IS THE COMMUNICATION.
UH, IF SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT OR LIEUTENANT WEST TO DO IT, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING A BIG LOAD ON HIM.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO FIND THAT OUT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE HE'S DEALING WITH THE JAIL AND THOSE FOLKS IN THE JAIL.
AND HE DEALS WITH APRIL THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET THAT GO PICK SOMEBODY UP AND TAKE THEM TO TERRELL.
BUT IT'S OVER WITH ONCE THEY DO THAT, ONCE THEY TAKE THEM TO TRAIL.
AND SO WITH THIS PERSON WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A PALS, BUT ANYBODY THAT GOES TO TERRELL STATE HOSPITAL THAT DOES A WHITE WARRANT, THEY WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH THE JUDGES ON COMPETENCY EVALUATIONS, MAKE SURE THEY GET THROUGH, GET TIME LIMITS.
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DEALS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE JAIL THAT ARE HE'S DEALS WITH PEOPLE.YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THEY JUST, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY FOR THEIR SON WHO'S ACTING OUT OR, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK, OR THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
AND THAT'S NOT A LIEUTENANT WEST JOB.
I MEAN, HE WOULDN'T, IF THEY'RE NOT IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW, THEY'RE NOT, HE'S NOT EVER GOING TO KNOW HIM.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, JUST FROM THE CONVERSATION, WHICH HAS BEEN GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT, BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY KNOWN WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY THEY DO NOTHING.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING WITH.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT IT DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY.
BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT WE PAY THEM TO A SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY WE COULD DO OURSELF.
AND THEN IF THERE'S, IS THERE A LOT OF FEDERAL MONEY AND STATE MONEY? I MEAN, IN SOMEONE LIKE THIS POSITION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF THEY GOT EDUCATED IN THAT AND THEY FOUND OUT THERE IS FEDERAL MONEY, STATE MONEY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FUND THIS OURSELF.
THERE'S ONE COUNTY THAT DID THIS, THAT WAS CALLING COUNTY, PROBABLY WAS COLLIN COUNTY.
THEY BECAME THEIR OWN MENTAL HEALTH.
I'VE, I'VE CHECKED IN THERE A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT I HAVEN'T CHECKED BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE.
THIS PERSON COULD ACTUALLY EDUCATE THEMSELVES INSIDE THE SYSTEM AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR LATER ON.
IT WOULD TAKE AN ORGANIZATION TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T JUST BE ONE, THAT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR YOU YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, AFTER THE POLITICS DOWN, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DONE IT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
IF IT'S FUNNY ABOUT THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE, YES, SIR.
IT'S TIGHT FUNDS ARE FUNDED FUNDING IT, THEN IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON IF IT'S EVEN UNDERSTANDING ALL THE, OKAY.
UM, SO LET'S SAY WE'RE BACK TO ENDORSE IN THAT POSITION.
MA'AM AND YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE WHATEVER AFFILIATED STUFF.
I'M GOING DOWN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR.
UM, ARE YOU READY FOR THAT? THE FARM WORKER? YES, SIR.
UH, SO THE FIRE MARSHALL, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S DEPARTMENT, UH, HE HAS ALL THESE POSITIONS ADDED THAT HE'S REQUESTING, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS HE DID IN HIS BUDGET AND WE ALL GOT THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
UM, IS CREATIVELY, IS HE SPENDING A LOT OF HIS EXPENSES? HE SHIFTED THAT OVER TO THE FIRE FUND, WHICH IS A PRETTY FAT THING OF MONEY.
AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT ADDING TO THE FIRE FUND WITH MORE INSPECTIONS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING.
SO HIS TOTAL REQUEST FOR BUDGET INCREASES $119,000.
NO, THAT'S WHAT HE TOOK OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO THE FARM.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT HIS TOTAL INCREASE REQUESTS WOULD BE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
UM, THE NEXT ONE I'M GOING TO DO, I'M SORRY.
ONE MORE POSITION TO HIM, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE, UH, YEAH, WHAT HE DID IS HE SHIFTED ALL OF EXPENSES OVER TO THE FIRE PHONE, BUT SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US THE TIME BUDGET IMPACT OF THAT.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO PAGE FOUR OF EIGHT, IT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU IT'S 430, $2,000 IN SALARY INCREASES ALL THIS.
AND HOW MUCH HAS HE TAKEN OUT OF THE FIRE FUND? 119,000.
RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THESE SALARY INCREASES THAT THEY'RE ASKING MIGHT NOT FALL INTO THE MID, MID AND ALL OF THAT.
TH THE INVESTIGATOR AND HE JUST HIRED THAT.
HE INTRODUCED AND HE STARTED HIM AT 70, BUT HE'S ASKING FOR $7,000 INCREASE ALREADY FOR THE NEW BEDROOM.
AND MAYBE I'M GETTING CONFUSED.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THESE POSITIONS THAT THEY ASKED FOR SALARIES THAT WE SET UP A SALARY OR THERE'S ONE, I GUESS, THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE FOR THAT.
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THE MID POINT PLUS 5%.SO THESE ASKS FOR SALARIES ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE CORRECT.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT POSITIONS? I DON'T THINK WITH A QUESTION WITH POSITIONS RIGHT NOW, YOU KIND OF CLOWNS UP WHENEVER YOU START PAYING.
SO WE'RE ON THE FIRE, MARSHALL.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT FROM WHAT HE SAID, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE THREE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE INSPECTORS AND, OR, UH, ANIMAL TRANSPORT PEOPLE.
SO I THINK WE ALMOST HAVE TO LEAVE HIM NOW, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER POSITIONS THAT HE'S ASKING FOR BESIDES INSPECTOR POSITIONS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER POSITIONS THAT HE'S ASKING FOR THAT YOU ALL FEEL COMPELLED TO PROVIDE? WELL, I, AND I, I SEE US DEAL, BUT ONE THING WE DID, WE INTERVIEWED HIM BACK IN THE BACK ROOM AND WE TOLD THEM, MAN, IT'S YOUR DEPARTMENT.
TO BUILD IT THE WAY YOU SEE FIT, YOU JUSTIFY YOUR NEEDS AND WE'LL GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED NOW.
MAYBE WE CAN'T GET IT ALL THE FIRST TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PRIORITY OUGHT TO BE A DONK CATCHER AND BYPASS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
SO WHICH OF THOSE, WHICH OF THOSE POSITIONS DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULD? WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INSPECTORS, YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO MANAGE THE INSPECTIONS.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A CHIEF INSPECTOR AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE YOUR INVESTIGATION, PART OF IT, AND HE'S ASKING FOR A CHIEF INVESTIGATOR AND THREE INVESTIGATORS, DEEP INVESTIGATING WHAT'S THE PUBLIC EDUCATION, OTHER THAN IT'S JUST REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LIONS CLUB, ROTARY CLUB, KIDS, SCHOOL, KIDS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST FIRE.
SO, I MEAN, ACTUALLY, IF THERE'S ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN KITCHEN, DOGS AND INSPECTING, THEN I CAN GO OUT TO THE SCHOOL.
HE ACTUALLY HAS THREE INSPECTORS IN THIS LIST.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE INSPECTOR THAT THE THIRD ONE, AND THEN THE SPECTRUM TO SIX DIRECTOR INSPECTOR, AMMO, TRANSPORT OFFICE, NEO, HE'S GOT THREE, FOUR, HE'S GOT, FOR INSTANCE, I GOT CHIEF INSPECTOR, CHIEF INSPECTOR.
SO, UH, I'M GOING TO RUN THIS OUT THERE.
UM, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE, UH, HE HAS A CHIEF INVESTIGATOR, SO THAT CHECKS OFF ONE OF THE INVESTIGATOR POSITIONS.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE INCLUDE A CHIEF INSPECTOR AND THE TWO, A MAN WILL TRANSPORT AN INSPECTOR INSPECTORS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THAT'S ADDING FOUR POSITIONS TO HIS DEPARTMENT.
SO HE'S ALREADY GOT, HE'S GOT A FIRE MARSHALL, A CHIEF INSPECTOR AND INVESTIGATOR, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN WHAT POSITIONS CAN WE FUND WITH ALL THE COMP TIME THEY'VE ACCUMULATED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? YEAH, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THEN THAT'S UNREAL.
I MEAN, SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON CALL FOR A 24 HOUR PERIOD ON WEEKENDS, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND, YOU CAN'T KEEP USING THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE THAT.
AND THIS, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UM, I DON'T, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMEBODY ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
BUT IN THIS COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARY.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ON CALL OR WE PAY ON TIME, IF THEY DON'T GO OUT, NO, NO, THAT'S A SHIFT.
THEY'RE JUST DOING A SHIFT, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, YEAH KNOW, THEY'RE NOT RACKING UP COMP TIME, BUT LET'S SAY GET THEM OUT.
BUT THEY RACKING UP COMP TIME JUST FROM MAKING CALLS IF THEY MADE THE CALL.
AND IT'S NOT, NOT THAT THEY VOLUNTEERED THAT WHEN THE TONE GOES OFF AND ONE OF THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEY JUMPED IN THE TRUCK AND THEY GO, THEY JUST, THEY JUST RESPOND TO WHENEVER THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS, HEY, I'VE GOT A FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT STARTED, BUT I THINK THEY'RE RESPONDING TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY CALL.
THAT'S MY IMPRESSION RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A DISASTER.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'D BE EVEN BEFORE THE FIRES ALL STARTED.
SO, SO WHAT I'M, THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE.
WHAT I'M PENCILING IN HERE IS THAT WE, THAT WE WE'VE ALREADY FUNDED THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR.
I'M GOING TO CHECK THAT OFF AS ALREADY.
THAT'S ALREADY DONE WHEN HE'S ALREADY GOT THAT POSITION ON BOARD.
AND THEN WE ADD TO THAT THE CHIEF INSPECTOR,
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I'M TRYING TO GET MY EYES ON CROSSED THAT WE HAD TO THAT THE CHIEF INSPECTOR AND THEN THE TWO INSPECTOR ANIMAL TRANSPORT PEOPLE THAT GIVES HIM THREE AND THREE, POTENTIALLY THREE INSPECTORS ADDING THAT'S ADDING FOUR PEOPLE REALLY COUNTING MIKE THAT HE HIRED JUST YESTERDAY.SO NOT ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN, KAREN, I ALWAYS TELL THAT THE NEED FOR RATE OF THE ATO, LIKE HER THREE AND HER, I THINK WHAT WE CAN SUGGESTION THAT WE, THAT WE LEAVE, THAT WE LET HIM, IF HE THINKS THAT HE CAN DO IT, IF HE CAN HAVE THREE INSPECTORS AND TWO OF THEM DO ANIMAL TRANSPORT, THAT WE LET THEM TRY IT IN THE FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE.
WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD BE IN MONIQUE SOCCER.
THE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL POSITION TO BE IN WITH.
AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE PROPOSING OR THE CHIEF INSPECTOR TO INSPECTORS, DON'T CATCH US.
AND ONE MORE INVESTIGATOR BESIDES THE OTHER ONE.
THAT'S NO, JUST ONE THAT, HERE'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR POSES DEPUTIES.
THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST, WHICH HE'S ALREADY GOT THAT GUY.
SHE'S ALREADY GOT, HE'S ALREADY GOT ONE INVESTIGATOR.
SO NO, I THINK THAT HIS, HIS INVESTIGATOR IN IT, UM, WHAT'S HER NAME? ASHLEY.
MARSHALL WOULD, THAT'D BE INVESTIGATED TO ME.
HE, I THOUGHT HE WAS BEING CHANGED TO INVESTIGATORS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FROM TODAY.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ADDING, UH, A CHIEF INSPECTOR IN TO INSPECT HER ANIMAL TRANSPORTS.
SO WE'RE ADDING THREE PEOPLE TO HIS DEPARTMENT OVER WHAT HE'S GOT RIGHT NOW.
NAH, I, I STILL THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON.
I MEAN, THAT'S EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, BUT NOW EVERY THREE, EVERY THREE WEEKENDS, I GOT ONE INVESTIGATOR AND ONE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR TO BE ABLE TO BE ON CALL FOR.
SO THERE'LL BE THREE OF THEM COUNTING HIM AND THEN THERE'LL BE THREE OF THEM TOTAL.
AND YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK, I MEAN, I KNOW WE TOLD HIM WHAT WE TOLD HIM BACK THERE, SO HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB AT JUSTIFYING EVERYTHING HE'S TRYING TO IT HASN'T I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ASK.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT BIG OF A BITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT JUVENILE PROBATION.
THAT'S MY NEXT ONE ON THE LIST.
UM, UH, WE SHOULD, WE PROBABLY NEED TO FUND ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE LIST OF THING AND THEN ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE TO IT.
THIS IS WHAT I'M PROPOSING THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR, DEPUTY CLERK, AND THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE THREE, THE THREE POSITIONS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FAR MARSHALL'S OFFICE IN THE DISTRICT CLERK.
YOU DON'T WANT HER TO MOVE ONE.
THE THREE POSITIONS IN DISPATCH AND ONE JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICER THE CALL CENTER, I'M SORRY.
CALL CENTER PREPOSITIONS IN DISPATCH.
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU REJUVENOL COUNTY IS 69%, THE STATE PAGE 30.
SO THE NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE TOTAL SALARY AND SOME OF THAT'S PAID COVERED BY THE STATE.
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE TRANSITION THAT WE GOT GOING ON THERE TOO, IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WISE FOR US TO BE ADDING THAT MANY PEOPLE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A SPACE ISSUE OVER THERE TOO.
AND THE WAY THAT THEIR HOK IS WORKING WITH THEM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SQUEEZE MORE SPACE OUT OF THE POST OFFICE, WHO DO Y'ALL WANT TO ADD THAT I DIDN'T LIST.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE, I GUESS, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ASSUMING THIS SOLID WASTE IS TO MOVE SUNNY WORKS THE, UH, STATION, THE CONVENIENCE STATION HERE IN KAUFMAN.
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THAT IF YOU WENT FULL TIME, IT COULD, IT COULD BE OPEN AN EXTRA DAY.IF THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READING THIS RACK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S A CLERK ACTUALLY, BUT HE BEGIN CLERK PAY MIGHT BE, BUT 18 BUCKS AN HOUR THOUGH, IF THAT'S, UH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT PLACE IS USED ALL THE TIME AND PEOPLE CAN ESPECIALLY RECYCLING.
SO IF WE GOT A BIG ASS JUST TO MAKE THEM A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THERE ALREADY, BUT IT'S MODIFIED FULL-TIME SO ALL THE BENEFITS WERE BEING PAID ANYWAY.
RIGHT? UM, SOMETHING AS FAR AS RETIREMENT STUFF.
AND THEN BASICALLY YOU WANT TO ADD THAT ONE? IT'S JUST A MINIMUM $6,000, BUT AT LEAST THE EXTRA DAY TO EACH STATION OPEN.
SO BEFORE WE GO TO THE WAGE INCREASED PAGES, DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO EAT LUNCH? ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER? DO YOU WANT TO GO LUNCH? UM, WHAT ABOUT THE IT POSITION? I SAID, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T COVER THAT ON THE RECAP ONE.
I SAID THAT WE SHOULD ADD, I THINK WE SAID, HE SAID THE ANDY ONE.
I SAID ONE, I DIDN'T MARK IT THOUGH.
AND I WOULD SAY, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU, WE FUND THAT AT THAT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES LEVEL.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST CRITICAL AND OF COURSE THAT PERSON CAN DO OTHER THINGS TOO KNOW.
I KNOW THIS IS A BIG DEAL WITH THE COLLAR.
CAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL GET CALLS LIKE I DO, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU EVER CALLS, OKAY.
THE DISTRICT CLARK WANTED ME TO REMIND YOU THAT REPORT IN JANUARY, THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE POPULATION SHE THANKED YOU FOR THE ONE CLERK MAN WAS WORRIED BECAUSE THERE'LL BE OVERWHELMED.
AND I TOLD HER THAT POSSIBILITY, IF THAT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COURT, TAKE IT OUT OF CONTAINS CONTAINER, JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING FOR THE SHERIFF AND I, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T BEEN VERY EXCITED ABOUT IN COURT.
SO I'M SKEPTICAL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THAT IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT WE CAN TAKE IT OFF BUDGET.
WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN FIX THAT.
WE'RE, WE'LL RECONVENE BACK FROM OUR LUNCH RECESS.
UM, I'M GOING TO, I'LL JUST DO THE SAME THING THAT I DID WHILE AGO AND THEN THROW IT BACK TO Y'ALL AND Y'ALL GONNA ADD WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR.
WE'RE ON THE, THE BLUE SHEET THAT HAS THE WORKING BUDGET, PAYROLL REQUESTS.
UM, THE, UH, UH, KAREN AND BRANDY.
THE, IF YOU LOOK AT QUARTER LONG TWO, THAT'S THE SECOND BLOCK THERE.
I THINK THAT MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR IS THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
SO IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE.
SO WE WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT ONE.
THE, UH, THE $50 SALARY STABILIZATION THING IS, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT'S A NO BRAINER.
SO I'M GOING TO CHECK THAT ONE.
IT'S AN AS THE $50 SALARY STABILIZATION THING FOR NUMBER THREE FOR, UH, FOR THE LAW 4 0 2 LINE, THEIR LINE THREE.
I'VE PUT THAT IN FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS IT APPLIED THERE AS WELL.
UM, I WISH WE HAD A LOT OF $50 QUESTION.
UM, DO THE, DO THE COURT, WHAT'S THE STAFFING ON THE COURT AT LAWS, AS FAR AS COURT COORDINATORS GO.
HOW MANY, LIKE, HOW MANY DOES NUMBER TWO HAVE COURT COORDINATORS? UM, 1, 1, 4 COORDINATOR OR REPORTER, JUDGE AUDITOR INVESTIGATOR AND AN EXTRA HELP.
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YEAH.AND HE'S USING THAT EXTRA HELP, I THINK.
AND HE WAS WALKING TO A FULL TIME.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT WOULD GIVE COURT THAT WOULD GIVE COURT NUMBER TWO TO COURT COORDINATORS AND COURT.
NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD GIVE THEM TO COURT COORDINATORS.
IS THAT RIGHT? CAUSE COURT NUMBER ONE AS AN ASSISTANT COURT COORDINATOR.
AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE BOTH OF THEM TWO FULL-TIME COURT COORDINATORS.
BUT THESE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE PAYROLL REQUEST, BUT THESE ARE ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, RIGHT? IT IS A DUPLICATE.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING ON HERE, THIS SPREADSHEET IS ALSO INCLUDED ON HERE.
IT'S JUST THE NEW POSITIONS ARE SEPARATED OUT FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM MORE EQUALLY.
IS THIS A LITTLE TOO? IS IT SOMEBODY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY? IT'S JUST A THING.
NUMBER TWO, ONE, NUMBER ONE, ONE.
THEY'RE WANTING TO MOVE THEIR CURRENT ASSISTING COURT COORDINATOR TO A REGULAR REPORT COORDINATOR.
THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP BECAUSE IT POSITIONS ALREADY THERE AS AN INITIATIVE IS A, PART-TIME WANTING TO BE AT FULL TIME.
SO BRAINY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE S THE SALARIES THAT ARE IN THIS SHEET OR ALREADY ROLLED INTO THESE NUMBERS.
SO IF WE DECIDED TO NOT, I HATE TO EVEN USE AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF WE DECIDED TO NOT USE TONIGHT, DO ONE OF THESE SALARY INCREASES THAT NUMBER WOULD COME OUT OF HERE? YES.
IT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBERS IN HERE.
PAIGE IS JUNK ONLY THIS NEW POSITION AND ADJUSTMENTS.
THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS, ALL WE REALLY NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO HERE IS JUST, IT'S NOT NEW POSITIONS, BUT JUST SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.
SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT NEW POSITIONS YOU'RE SHOWING ON HERE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THEM.
WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT INITIATE.
SO ALL WE NEED TO REALLY TALK ABOUT, ALL WE NEED TO REALLY DO IS TALK ABOUT WAGE INCREASES, RIGHT? WAGE INCREASES ARE SO, UM, BUT WOULD THESE ADJUSTMENTS BE TAKEN CARE OF
AND, AND IT, IT IS ADDRESSED TO SOME EXTENT.
UM, SO PERHAPS WE SHOULD, AT THIS POINT, JUST FOR THE DRAFT BUDGET PURPOSES, PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT, UM, MIGHT'VE BEEN, WHICH REQUESTS FOR MOVING PEOPLE FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME.
SO, AND WE'RE GONNA WE'RE SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT AT LEAST TO SOME EXTENT, THE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE TAKING CARE OF SOME OR ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, GOING FROM FULL-TIME TO PART-TIME.
I MEAN, PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME UM, THE ONLY ONE I SEE IS A COURT LAW ONE, RIGHT.
SO SINCE WASN'T A FULL TIME, I GUESS, CARE PERIOD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN,
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SO I GUESS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NEW POSITION, NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NEW POSITION.CAN I MAKE THIS SUGGESTION, UM, HOW ABOUT WE PASS ON ALL THESE WAY? THESE PAYROLL REQUESTS INCREASES UNTIL WE SEE THE IMPACT OF THE, UM, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IDEA, BECAUSE I FEEL A LITTLE CONFUSED.
AND SO THE NEXT THING WE'LL SEE IS THE POSITIONS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE, I GUESS, TACITLY AGREED TO FOR THE DRAFT HERE, AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW WE ARE COVERED ON, WE'LL SEE HOW OUR WAGE ADJUSTMENT ADDRESSES THE IT'LL CERTAINLY CHANGE THESE NUMBERS.
SO, SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE JUST FOR, TO BE CLEAR.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THESE AND WE, WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
WE ARE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE, UH, PAY OR REQUESTS ON HERE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF OUR WAGE ADJUSTMENTS, THE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS IN THIS, WHEN WE COME BACK AND AFTER THE DRAFT IS DONE.
UM, YES, MA'AM UM, CCL NUMBER TWO AND 16,200.
AND TO PUT THAT PERSON TO FULL TIME ON SALARIES.
SO THE FIRST SHEET THAT WE HAD, CORRECT.
I SAID THE FIRST TAPE THAT WE PRODUCED IN THE 15 TO 20,000, THEY BROUGHT US THAT'S THE ONLY IMPACT IS NO.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE HEALTH.
THAT WAS THE HEALTH PERSON OR WHATEVER, THE MENTAL HEALTH PERSON.
SO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID AGAIN, KAREN.
WE, IN THIS SHAPE THAT WE DID FOR YOU, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
HE HAS THIS LADY THAT'S WORKING FOR HIM NOW AT 16 SOMETHING.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER LINE ITEM IN THERE FOR OTHER HELP FOR HIM THIS 19, PUT THAT TOGETHER AND SUBTRACT IT FROM THE 52, YOU'RE GETTING ABOUT $16,280.
WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO PUT, SO YOU'RE SAYING TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL COURT COORDINATOR WOULD BE, UH, UH, SALARY IMPACT OF ABOUT 19,000.
WE'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
CAUSE THAT WAS, THAT'S KIND OF CONFUSING AND WHY THAT WAS DONE.
I FORGOT TO TRUST THE EXTRA HELP AND TAKE THAT.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD.
AND WHAT WE JUST SAID, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST KIND OF PASS ON ALL THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO RE RE CRUNCH ALL THE NUMBERS AND COME OUT AND THEN WE, THEN WE CAN, THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO IT.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT'S ON THIS SHEET ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, INCREASED CELL PHONE ALLOWANCES, WHICH AREN'T ADDRESSED ANYWHERE.
UH, WHICH ONES ARE THOSE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, FIRST JUST SAYING COUNTY TREASURER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH JUST BLANKET INSTRUCTING THE AUDITOR TO GO AHEAD AND PLUG IN THOSE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCES, EXCEPT YOU'LL HAVE TO ADJUST OUT FOR THE FIRE MARSHALL SINCE NOT ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS.
HOW ARE YOUR BUDDIES SCREAMING SHOW? OKAY.
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LET ME GIVE THEM A FALSE COLLECTED HERE.WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY, I, THESE WORD AGREE BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T EVER SAY ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT WE, I THINK THERE'S NO, I THINK THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO US AS NEEDED USING EXCESS FUNDS.
OTHER WORDS, MONEY THAT WOULD GO NORMALLY GO INTO THE, OUR FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR OF HAVING THOSE FUNDS TO BE AVAILABLE IF WE NEED THEM TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
AND IT JUST EDUCATE ME ON, THIS IS THE ONGOING EXPENSE WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM FOR IT.
IT'D BEEN AN ONGOING EXPENSE IF WE USE THE $3 MILLION.
SO HOW'S THAT GOING TO HAVE? WE'RE GOING TO DO, CAN WE MAKE THAT UP NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'RE DOING A BUDGET TO PAY THE SALARIES OR DO WE HAVE TO SOLELY RELY ON GROWTH? YOU HAVE TO SOLELY, YOU REALLY HAVE TO SOLELY RELY ON TWO SOURCES, GROWTH OR TAX INCREASE.
SO IF WE GO INTO A RECESSION AND THE GROWTH SLOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO GROWTH.
SO WE'D GO TO THE TAX INCREASE.
SO I DUNNO, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE RECESSION DEAL IF I CAN, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A VERY, I WAS TALKING TO A GUY GOT LION'S CLUB FRIDAY, ACTUALLY WORKED FOR HIM AND D WHO'S A REAL ESTATE.
AND WE WERE, HE'S A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RECESSION AND FROM WHAT HE SAID, AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS THAT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT STUDY ALL THESE THINGS, DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE A RECESSION IN, IN NORTH TEXAS, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, WE HAVE SO MUCH MOMENTUM WITH SO MUCH GROWTH.
THAT'S NOT, THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO STOP.
IT MAY SLOW, BUT THEY DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A NEGATIVE.
AND OF COURSE I'LL BE, I'M KIND OF RELYING ON WHAT Y'ALL DID WHEN WE, WE, THAT WAS WHY HURRY UP AND SELL ALL THE REAL ESTATE BECAUSE THANKS GOD, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SLOW DOWN AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE REAL ESTATE MARKETS ARE GOING TO COOL OFF, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO.
I DON'T THINK ARE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SET OURSELF UP FOR HAVING TO ASK THE CITIZENS FOR A TEXTING BREEZE.
THAT'S THE THING ABOUT SHOWERS IS IT'S NOT AN ONE-OFF EXPENSE IT'S YEAR UPON YEAR, AND IT'S CUMULATIVE AND IT GETS GREATER EVERY YEAR.
AS YOU CONTINUE TO ADJUST AS YOU'RE BANKING ON THE ECONOMY GROWING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S I AGREE.
I MEAN, THEY, THE REAL ESTATE PROJECTIONS FOR, FOR THE METROPLEX, UH, THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS FOR THE METROPLEX, FROM EVERYTHING I READ SAY THAT, UH, THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THEY ANTICIPATE THE, THE BOOM TO CONTINUE, BUT THEY DO PROJECT THAT INFLATION WILL ALSO CONTINUE THAT INFLATION WILL CONTINUE.
WELL, THERE ARE NO CLIFF, TWICE IN INFLATION HAS HIT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.
AND, BUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHAT WE FACE EVERY, THAT REGULAR COMPANIES DON'T FACE IS THAT WE HAVE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T DISCONTINUE SERVICES.
W WE CAN'T CAN DISCONTINUE THE JAIL.
WE CAN'T DISCONTINUE THE ROAD.
WE CAN'T DISCONTINUE THE COURT SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO THE MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAYING, IT'S ONGOING AND COST.
THERE'S NO QUESTION, BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE THOUGH.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO KEEP GOING AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE FILL THESE POSITIONS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
UM, NOBODY WANTS TO GROW GOVERNMENT.
I DON'T, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT, BUT THE MAN IS JUST LIKE ANY PLACE ELSE.
YOU ARE GOING TO ADD EMPLOYEES, YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOME THINGS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO OUT HERE EXTREMELY HARD, A WHOLE NEW GOVERNMENT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ADD TO OUR WAGES, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.
THE RISK THAT YOU HAVE TO ALSO ASSESS IS THE NATURE OF THE BOOM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SEEN JUST IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, THE DOWNSIZING OF NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, UM, PRICE POINTS HAVE DROPPED.
AND, AND, UH, I THINK, UH, SIMS HIS PRESENTATION THIS MORNING POINTS OUT THAT THERE'S,
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THERE IS THIS POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR PROLIFERATION OF APARTMENTS.SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS FACTOR INTO HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU'RE GOING TO ADDITIONAL REVENUE YOU'LL HAVE IN THE OUT YEARS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS OF COURSE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER ANYBODY FORECAST OR, YOU KNOW, PREDICTS IS, THERE'S ONE THING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE WRONG OR NEVER, RIGHT.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE WRONG.
ONE WAY, HOW MANY CENTS THAT'S ON THE TAX RATE? 500,000 PENNY.
OH, I GOT IT TO GO TO MEXICO OR SOMETHING.
IF I HAD TO ASK TO GET THAT 6 CENTS BACK NEXT YEAR, I WAS LIKE, I'M GOING TO HANG AROUND.
SO, UH, ARE WE AGREED? OR IS THERE ANY COMPLAINT I'LL HAVE TO PUT IT, I'LL START PUTTING IT THAT WAY.
IS THERE ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT US, UH, PLANNING TO SEND LETTERS TO ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WILL HAVE THE SAME, UH, MID POINT INCREASE THAT WE'RE GIVING OTHERS ANY OBJECTIONS OR THE MID MID POINT IN THE MID OF THE MYTH? YES.
COST OF LIVING 5% AND THE MID TO THE MID.
I'M NOT GOING OUT ACROSS THE BOARD.
I'LL TAKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR MID MID IS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL SEND YOU A LETTER.
CAUSE I'M ONLY GOING TO THINK ABOUT MY EMPLOYEES GET THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN REACH WHAT YOUR BUDGET IS.
STEVE WAS ASKING ME, WHAT IS THE LETTER? I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY OPINION.
SO HERE'S THE LAST, NOT THE LAST QUESTION.
UM, I THINK FOR THIS DRAFT BUDGET, WE SHOULD, UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE LINE ITEMS IN THERE UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THE LAST, THE LAST THING WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD ASK OUR DEPARTMENTS TO PUT THEIR TOTAL MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, BUDGETS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF, EXCEPT FOR FUEL TO PUT, TO LEAVE ALL THAT STUFF.
IT, WHAT THEIR PROJECTED SPENDING IS FOR THIS YEAR, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY ROOM FOR INFLATION IN OUR, IN OUR MATERIALS AND, YOU KNOW, PAPER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT I THINK IT GIVES THEM A TARGET TO SHOOT FOR, AND WE COULD COMMIT TO THEM THAT IF THEY GO, LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
IF THEY GET THAT BUDGET, IF THEY CAN'T STAY WITHIN THAT LINE ITEM BUDGET, FOR SOME REASON, WE'LL EITHER DO LINE ITEM TRANSFERS OR WE'LL MOVE MONEY FROM CONTINGENCY, JUST SO I CAN BE SURE.
I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY THIS YEAR, OR YOU MEAN 22, OR DO YOU MEAN THIS YEAR 23? THEY WERE WORKING 20 TO 22.
SO WHERE THAT, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, IS YOU TAKE HOW MUCH YOU SPENT THROUGH THE END OF JUNE.
DIVIDED BY NINE, MULTIPLY TIMES 12, AND THAT'S HOW MUCH YOUR BUDGET SHOULD BE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE CARE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENTS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING FUEL FOOD, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOMETHINGS THAT THEIR DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO SAY, I CAN'T STAY WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ON THIS, ON THIS SIDE.
BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S WORTH ASKING THE QUESTION.
I THINK, I THINK ONE THING YOU GOT TO LOOK INTO THIS FOR ME, UH, ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CONTRACTS, INVESTIGATE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAUSE I CAN CONTRACTED IN SOME, THEY WERE ALL BEING PAID AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S GOING TO ALL BE USED FOR THE, SO THAT'S ONE THING.
AND THERE'LL BE SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE FORECASTS THAT THEY WILL BE WRONG AND WOULD JUST HAVE TO RELY ON THE DEPARTMENTS TO TELL US WHERE WE'RE WRONG ON THAT, THAT FEAR.
IS IT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THIS WILL YIELD IN THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK IT'S IT.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING
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I'VE CUT A LOT THE LAST TIME YOU SHAVED.THIS ONE, THIS IS INTERESTING ABOVE THE MID NO INCREASES WOULD BE 152 EMPLOYEES.
SO SAY THAT AGAIN, ABOVE THE MED, THERE'D BE NO INCREASE FOR 152 PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY AT THE MID METER ABOVE 5,000, 24 PEOPLE, 5,001 TO 10,000 PEOPLE OR FIVE PEOPLE THAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE IN 10,000, ABOVE IS ONLY ONE PERSON.
I SAID ONLY 30 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ADJUSTED.
SO WE'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED QUITE A FEW PEOPLE AND WE GOT THE GREEN THAT EVERGREEN STUDY, BUT IT'S STILL, I MEAN, IN ALL THAT, BASICALLY IT'S STILL WITH THE 5% AND THE WHERE THE MID POINT, THAT'S STILL, UH, JUST THE MID POINT.
ADJUSTMENT IS STILL ALMOST $800,000.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 5%, RIGHT? NO, THE 5% AND THE MID, THAT WOULD BE 1.8 MILLION IS HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING INTO IT.
UM, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING ELSE Y'ALL WANTED TO KNOW.
WHO FIXED IT? UH, LET ME, NO, NEVERMIND.
SO IS THAT WORTH, IS THAT OKAY? SO THAT'S, UNLESS I HEAR SOMEBODY SCREAMING AND WE'RE GONNA THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE SUPPLIES AND STUFF.
UM, SO, SO DID WE SETTLE ON THE, THE 3 MILLION THAT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE IT TO? WE WHAT BALANCE IN THE BUDGET? WHAT WE, THAT'S, WHAT I WAS PROPOSING THAT WE, THAT, THAT WE USE THAT TO, TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE THAT'S MONEY THAT WE TOOK FROM THAT'S TAX MONEY THAT WE TOOK THIS YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T NEED.
UM, GOSH, I SORTA FEEL LIKE KAREN AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO A LOT OF WORK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THINGS ALL ADD UP.
WE'LL POST THAT DRAFT BUDGET, AND THEN THAT MIGHT NEED TO REMAIN AND THEY MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO PUT IN WRONG AND CHANGE IT TO, AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK AT THIS POINT, IF WE DON'T NEED THAT, THEN WE SHOULD SET THAT ASIDE IN A CONTINGENCY FOR RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN THE DRAFT.
UM, SO WE'LL START, UH, OUR NEXT, UH, OUR NEXT SCHEDULE FOR BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE STARTING BACK ON AUGUST 9TH? UM, WE'LL HAVE THE DRAFT BUDGET TO, TO LOOK AT AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE HEARING SOME REQUESTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT MATTERS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN, UM, WE'LL WE'LL SCHEDULE, I'M GOING TO ASK ANNABEL TO SCHEDULE A MEETING MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, ONE 30 FROM THE NINTH ON.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE IN A FEW MEETINGS, BUT OKAY.
WE NEED CLARIFICATION WHEN WE MUST SEE THIS SHEET THIS MORNING, THE UPDATED THIS FIRST ONE OVER HERE, THE TOTAL BUDGET IMPACT FOR SEEING THE 1.8 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO GO WITH.
MA'AM FOR THE DRAFT GO AND INVESTIGATOR THE PROPOSED TOTAL BUDGET IMPACT 5,000 WITH THE STEP PAY INCREASE.
IT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION DID AND ALL THAT STUFF IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
OF COURSE, ONCE WE SEE IT ALL PUT TOGETHER IN A BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT UP, WE'LL HAVE IT.
AND, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN HERE.
THAT'LL BE KIND OF FROZEN ONCE WE,
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I MEAN, IT'LL BE MORE CLEAR.WHAT TIME IS IT? MONDAY WORKSHOP? UH, STARTING THE NINTH, NINE 30 MONDAY, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
A TUESDAY, SAY AGAIN MONDAY, TUESDAY.
WELL I GUESS MY CALENDAR MUST BE WRONG.
SO, UH, WE'LL START THE EIGHTH.
YOU SAID THE EIGHT THIS MONDAY AT 1 30, 1 30.
BUDGET THE REST OF THIS WEEK? NO, NO, BECAUSE THE AUDIT DURING THE END, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF THINGS.
LOTS OF STUFF TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY.
UM, WELL, IF I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE THROUGH AT ONE, I WOULDN'T HAVE VOLUNTEERED PIZZA.
AARON SAID SHE'D PAY FOR IT SO FAR.
IF SHE WON'T PAY FOR IT, I'M GOING TO SEND ALL THE, ALL THE BILL.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU NEXT WEEK IF YOU SUBMITTED IT NOT TO APPROVE IT.
WELL, MIKE, A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING NOW PHYLLIS MOSHE JOURNEY IS OUR SECOND.
SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA GETS TO KIND OF BECOMING A CHRISTIAN IS DISCUSSION.