Aug 30, 2022 Commissioners Court

YES, SIR.

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[Call to Order]

TODAY IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 30TH, 2022.

IT'S 9:00 AM.

AND WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM IN THE COURTHOUSE, ANNEX AND COFFIN.

UH, WE'LL START OUR MEETING TODAY WITH AN INVOCATION LED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBER AND PLEDGES LED BY COMMISSIONER KATES.

PLEASE STAND PROBABLY WHETHER IT'S PLEASE HEAVENLY FATHER.

THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.

IF WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE RECENT RAINS WE HAD AND MAYBE SOME MORE COMING, WE STILL NEED IT.

UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR US.

PLEASE BE WITH US THIS MORNING, AS WE WILL TRY TO WORK ON SOME THINGS FOR THE COUNTY HERE AND FOR ALL THE FOLKS OUT HERE, AND WE ASK YOU TO KEEP US ALL SAFE AND ESPECIALLY BEING WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR MILITARY IT'S IN YOUR SON'S NAME.

WE PRAY AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

UM, THE FIRST ITEM OF, UH, WE, UH, I DO HAVE A COMMENT CARD HERE THAT I SAVED THAT FOR THE ITEM IS COMING UP ON ITEM EIGHT.

UM, I DO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS JUST AN OBSERVATION.

SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A LITTLE RAIN LAST MONDAY.

UH, I, UH, A JOURNEY DOWN HERE FROM MY HOUSE AND, UH, I HAD SEVERAL TIMES I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THIS WASN'T REALLY A VERY SMART IDEA BECAUSE THE RAIN WAS TORRENTIAL.

SO I GOT INTO THE COURTHOUSE A FEW MINUTES AFTER EIGHT AND THE HALLWAY WAS FULL OF JURORS.

AND I THOUGHT, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE CAME TO SERVE JURY DUTY WITH THE WEATHER, LIKE IT IS, UH, TAKING THEIR LIFE IN THEIR HANDS.

I, I FOUND THAT, UM, REALLY, REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

UH, THE OTHER THING I HAVE ABOUT ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE AND I'LL PASS THIS OUT.

UM, I GOT, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, NEKO, SOMEBODY REPRESENTING NEGRO LAND, AND IT'S ABOUT THIS IT'S ABOUT THIS CLASS THAT THEY OFFER.

AND THE, HE WAS CALLING TO TELL ME THAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE GOING UP FROM, I THINK, 1495 TO $1,495 TO $1,995.

UM, NATHAN ATTENDED THIS CLASS COURSE, THIS IS ON ONLINE THING, BUT NATHAN ATTENDED THIS CLASS A FEW YEARS AGO AND FOUND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL TO HIM.

AND, UM, I THINK WE, UH, WE OUGHT TO, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT I I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF ANYBODY THINKS WE SHOULD SEND THIS OUT TO OUR LEADERS IN THE COUNTY AND ASK ANY OF THEM, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPLY TO BE ON THIS, BE IN THIS COURSE.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

NATHAN SAID IT WAS REALLY, UH, THAT OF COURSE THEY DO IT ALL ONLINE AND THEY HAVE SOME, UH, I THINK COLIN POWELL WAS ONE OF THE TEACHERS IN THAT CLASS AND YOU KNOW, SOME REALLY HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE THAT APPARENTLY MADE A PRETTY BIG IMPRESSION ON HIM.

WELL, I THINK THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TEACHERS.

YEAH, THEY DO.

OKAY.

SO IF Y'ALL ALL AGREE WITH THAT, THEN I'M JUST, I'M GOING TO SEND THAT OUT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LET US KNOW AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT AT A UPCOMING MEETING.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE? OH, WELL, UH, GIVE ME A SEC.

HOW'S IT HAS COLLECTION SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH AT THE TOP OF TOWN, THE SOUTH CAMPUS.

I'M SORRY, LAURA.

I TURNED MY MICROPHONE OUT.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

SO I'LL START ALL OVER AGAIN.

WE'RE HAVING A HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE FREE COLLECTION EVENT, SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH, EIGHT TO 12.

O'CLOCK AT THE KAUFMAN COUNTY SOUTH CAMPUS.

AND, UH, I'M SURE THIS WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT TO SEE ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU CAN BRING AND ITEMS THAT YOU CAN'T BRING.

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UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM TWO, WE HAVE A PRETTY LONG CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, A THROUGH F DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE OFF A PARTICULAR ITEM THERE OR IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED MOTION? WE HAVE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UH, WE HAVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH SIX FOR JUDGE GRAY, BUT SHE DOESN'T, SHE'S NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO, UM, SO THIS WASN'T,

[7. John Polster; Discuss/Consider approval of the Professional Services Agreement for the FM 548 Project between Kaufman County and Jacobs in the amount of $2,868,171.65.]

UH HE'S HE WASN'T SCHEDULED TO BE HERE, BUT HE IS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE NEXT WEEK FOR ANOTHER ITEM.

AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS TODAY, BUT I THINK HE MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL HE'S HERE NEXT WEEK OR GO AHEAD AND COMING? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I MEAN, CAUSE UH, THAT'S MONEY WE NEED TO DO ON THE 5 48, SO OKAY.

IT'S UH, IT'S UH, ALREADY THE PLANNED AND BUDGETED DEAL, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

AND DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

UH, WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO APPROVE THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR FM 5 48 PROJECT BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND JACOBS IN THE AMOUNT OF 2 MILLION 8 68, 1 71 AND 65 CENTS.

THAT'S THE MOTION.

I'LL SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT.

DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES NEXT

[8. Commissioner Cates; Discuss and consider funding and construction of a bridge on County Road 4084 required by flood damage making County Road 4084 impassable.]

WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE ABOUT THIS MATTER.

BE WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM FIRST OR DO YOU WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE? OKAY.

SO MR. MUELLER, IF YOU GREW UP HERE AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU LIVE.

I SEE FORMS, UH, MY NAME'S JAY MUELLER.

I LIVE ON 40 84, LIVED DOWN THERE 33 YEARS.

I'M A PRESIDENT OF THE COTTONWOOD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION.

AND UH, OF COURSE LAST WEEK, THE BIG RAIN WASHED OUT TO COVER 40, 84 COMING FROM 34 IS OUR MAIN, OUR PREFERRED ROUTE TO GET TO THE CEMETERY.

IT'S ALL WEATHER EXCEPT FOR ABOUT 500 FEET.

IT'S IN THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD AND WHAT THIS BRIDGE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE BACK WAY IN OR END IT, WHICH IS ALL BASICALLY MAYBE SOME ROCKS, SOME DIRT, SOME GRAVEL.

AND IT JUST, UH, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WALL.

I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH BARRY FOREMAN DOWN THERE, UH, TO GET THE BRIDGE IN.

AND UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, IS THAT'S OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'VE HAD SO MUCH MORE WATER COME DOWN TO THERE.

MAYBE IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT UP IN SCURRY.

WATER COMES FROM BETWEEN SCURRY AND WARSAW.

THERE'S A CREEK THAT CROSSES UNDER 34.

THERE'S A CREEK THAT COME FROM BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND GRADES PRAIRIE, AND THEN BIG SANDY CREEK, WHICH IS A IN COTTONWOOD THINK THEY DO RESERVOIRS AND, AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF WATER.

AND IN FUTURE, IF WE GET ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT UP IN THE SCURRY AREA, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BRIDGE WE PUT IN, WHICH IS THAT I'VE SEEN THE DESIGN OF IT.

I JUST MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO BE HANDLE ALL THAT WATER.

UH, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD IT'S, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

THEY VOTED TO HABITAT SO THAT THEY CAN FIX THE ROADS, UH, MYSELF AND STEVEN BELVIQ IF TRIED TO SHAPE THE ROAD UP AND LAST WEEK, SO THE KIDS CAN GET TO SCHOOL AND STUFF.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY FOR SHORT TERM, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WITH THE RAIN AND STUFF, HOW LONG IT'S ALL GOING TO LAST.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, ASKED Y'ALL TO EXPEDITE THIS SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PASSPORT WAY TO CEMETERY.

AND ACTUALLY I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY, MY GRANDSON HAS COME TO THE HOUSE IN THE EVENING BECAUSE MY

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SHE MADE SURE THEY GET THEIR HOMEWORK DONE TOO.

THERE'S A MINUTE.

BUT THEY SAID, WELL, THE BUS CAN'T COME DOWN THERE CAUSE HE CAN'T TURN AROUND WHICH I'M ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT LATER TODAY, BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING Y'ALL HAVE DONE.

AND UH, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S THE PREFERRED ROUTE FOR, FOR US GOING TO THE CEMETERY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALL WEATHER ROAD, EXCEPT FOR, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 500 FEET.

UH, THE ONLY THING I WAS THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THAT WATER THAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING DOWN THERE, IT'S COMING FROM EVERYPLACE, WHERE THERE ROOFTOPS AND CONCRETE, IT MAY BE MILES AND MILES AWAY FROM THERE, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOU GOT STEVE AND GARY.

I DO.

SO LET ME JUST, JUST PREP THE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT.

UH, AS, UH, AS OUR SPEAKER POINTED OUT WITH THE DEVASTATING RANGE WE HAD, UH, COUNTY ROAD 44 HAD A, IT HAD A PASSABLE, UH, ALTHOUGH A PRETTY AGED CULVERT, UM, BIG CULVERT CROSSING THERE, ALL THE, DEPENDING ON WHOSE NUMBERS YOU STICK WITH BETWEEN SEVEN AND 11 INCHES OF RAIN TOOK THAT COVERT OUT, UH, COMPLETELY.

WE THEN, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR SO WE TRIED TO INSTALL A COUPLE OF TEMPORARY CULVERTS TO, UH, TO KEEP THE ROAD OPEN.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THE WHOLE AREA WAS JUST SO UNSTABLE THAT, UH, THAT THE SIDES CALVED OFF AND CAVED IN.

AND SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE ABOUT A 20 FOOT OR 25 FOOT CHASM THERE THAT IS OPENED UP TO ABOUT 20 FEET DEEP.

UH, WE HAD OUR ENGINEER TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WELL.

UH, WE, UH, KIND OF PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER WITH OUR OWN STAFF, WITH OUR ENGINEER AND SOME OF THE BRIDGE CONTRACTORS THAT WE ROUTINELY USE HERE IN THE COUNTY.

AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE ONLY, UH, LONG-TERM VIABLE SOLUTION IS TO ACTUALLY INSTALL A TRUE BRIDGE.

WE HAVE A GOOD DESIGN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.

WE HAVE A PROPOSAL, UH, TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT BRIDGE AND REOPEN COUNTY ROAD 40, 84 AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE DEALT WITH THE BRIDGE COMPANY WHERE WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THOSE BRIDGES ARE IN THE, UH, AT LEAST IN PORTION FABRICATED IN A, UH, IN A REMOTE FACILITY.

AND, UH, YOU SORT OF HAVE TO GET IN LINE TO GET YOUR BRIDGE, UH, CONSTRUCTION STARTED.

SO WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY NOW, UM, OF, UH, ORDERING A BRIDGE, HAVING IT INSTALLED, UM, SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND ABOUT MID NOVEMBER, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY DARN EXPEDITIOUS FOR A 50 FOOT SPAN OF BRIDGE.

UM, NOW THE ENGINEER HAS DETERMINED, UH, AFTER OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, JUDGE, THAT, THAT, THAT AREA IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO DO, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A HYDRO STUDY JUST TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT CERTAINLY DOWNSTREAM OR TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, EVEN UPSTREAM.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE THE FLOW THROUGH THERE.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DO IT IN A, IN A, UH, UH, FORMULATED AND STRUCTURED MANNER SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE A HAZARD DOWNSTREAM.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THE HYDRO STUDY WILL SHOW US EXACTLY HOW TO DO THAT.

THE ALL THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

ONE PROBLEM PRECINCT FOUR DOES NOT HAVE $385,000.

AND BY THE WAY, WE CLAWED THAT BACK FROM AN ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF ABOUT 485,000.

SO, UH, UM, IMPLEMENTING, UH, A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN BOTH THE PRECINCT FOUR ROAD CREWS AND OUR BRIDGE CONTRACTORS WERE ABLE TO GET THAT COST DOWN BY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

UH, SO HERE WE ARE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, AND WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO CUT A PURCHASE ORDER.

UH, OUT OF OUR FUNDS, WE DO STILL MAINTAIN SOME, UM, CONTINGENCY FUNDS, BUT WE'RE DRYING TRYING OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN THAT SO THAT THE NEW INCOMING COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE SOME FUNDS THAT OPERATE ON.

SO WE, WE DON'T WANT TO ZERO OUT THE BOOKS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

SO THAT LEADS US TO THIS MATTER.

WE WOULD, UH, WE'VE MET WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

UM, WE ARE SEEKING THE COURT SUPPORT AND, AND, UH, FRONT-LOADING THIS COST, UH, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND SO THAT WE CAN ORDER THIS BRIDGE AND GET IT IN PROCESS.

GET THE MANUFACTURING STARTED TO TRY TO SHORTEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THIS BRIDGE INSTALLED AND STICK WITH OUR LATE OCTOBER EARLY NOVEMBER COMPLETION DATE, THAT'S OUR ANTICIPATED COMPLETION DATE.

UH, LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE ADVERSELY

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IT IS A LONG WAY AROUND 4 84, 40, 84 TO HAVE TO DRIVE BACK THROUGH 30 MINUTES.

UM, SO IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH NEEDED PUBLIC PROJECT.

UM, WE, UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UM, ABILITY WE HOPE TO RECLAIM, UH, EITHER ALL OR AT LEAST A GOOD PORTION OF THAT MONEY THROUGH, UH, THROUGH FEMA AND THEM REIMBURSEMENT.

NOW THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS DECLARED A DISASTER FOR THE STATE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A REIMBURSEMENT, UM, APPLICATION.

SO, UH, WE EXPECT THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PREVAIL IN, IN RECLAIMING A LARGE PORTION OF THIS THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY FOUR, THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY $5,000.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, UM, IT STILL REQUIRES US TO INVEST THE FUNDS UPFRONT AND, UH, IT CERTAINLY ALSO IS CONTINGENT ON BEING ABLE TO MEET THE COUNTY'S THRESHOLD OF A TOTAL LOSS TO COUNTY FACILITIES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK STEVE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND, UH, JUST ENLIGHTEN YOU ON THE, THE POTENTIAL, AT LEAST TWO FOR THE COUNTY, A LARGE PART OF THIS MONEY.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME UP AS WELL.

WE GOT THE COUNTY ENGINEER, HE HAS A, HE CAN ADD OR ANSWER ANY, ANY ENGINEERING QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A FEDERAL DISASTER DECLARATION.

ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE HINGING UPON GETTING ALL OF THE DAMAGE, WHETHER IT'S ROADS, BRIDGES, BUILDINGS, FACILITIES, ANYTHING ENTERED INTO THE PIECE, THAT TOOL, WHICH IS WHERE TEED HIM OR TEXAS DIVISION OF ORANGY MANAGEMENT WILL DRAW THEIR INFORMATION FROM AND SUBMITTED TO FEMA.

OUR THRESHOLD IS $595,771.

UH, THE STATE WILL HAVE TO REACH A THRESHOLD OF JUST UNDER $48 MILLION IN ORDER TO SECURE THE FEDERAL DECLARATION.

ONCE WE GET THAT, AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL, WE WILL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET REIMBURSED 75% OF EVERYTHING WE SPEND ON THAT PLUS ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OR IN OTHER ASSOCIATED COST IN THAT TO HELP DEFRAY SOME OF THE TIME AND EFFORTS, UH, STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE ALLOWABLE COSTS THAT WE CAN RECOUP.

SO, UH, I CAN, ALL I CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE EVERY ONE OF YOU TO PUT DOWN EVERY ROAD ISSUE THAT CAME OUT OF THIS, THIS FLOOD, PUT IT IN THAT PAY STAT TWO, OR IF NOTHING ELSE GIVE IT TO ME OR MY STAFF AND WE'LL ENTER IT.

UH, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEED, STEVE, THAT COULD EVEN BE IF A ROAD'S OVERTOPPED AND THE SURFACE, THE ROAD SURFACE IS DAMAGED AND HAS TO BE RE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YES, SIR SHOULD BE COUNTED, RIGHT? EVERYTHING.

IF YOU HAD A CHIP SEALED AND IT WASHED THE CHIP SEAL OFF, THEN WE CAN COUNT THAT.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FOR US.

WE MEET OUR THRESHOLD IF WE GO WAY OVER THAT, THAT JUST HELPS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE STATE.

SO YES, WE WANT TO GET OURS, BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET EVERY LITTLE THING SO WE CAN HELP EVERYBODY ELSE OUT AND GET THAT FEDERAL DECLARATION BECAUSE THE MORE WE HAVE IN THERE, THE BETTER IT'S GONNA LOOK ON THE NUMBERS WHEN THEY SEND IT TO FEMA.

AND I'LL POINT OUT THAT JUST IN PRECINCT FOUR, WE HAD A SECOND ROAD THAT WASHED OUT COMPLETELY TRAPPING RESIDENTS.

UH, WE HAVE A TEMPORARY REOPENING OF THAT ROAD NOW, BUT, UH, THIS THURSDAY, WE WILL BEGIN THE INSTALLATION OF A $50,000, UM, CULVER JOB, WHICH ACTUALLY IN THE END WE'LL APPROACH, 80 OR 90,000, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, TWO OF OUR NEW BRIDGES WERE OVERTOPPED AND THE SURFACE, THE BRIDGES WERE FINE, BUT THE SURFACE WAS DAMAGED.

SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TOP, WE'RE GOING TO TOP 400, 450,000 IN PRECINCT FOR ALONE.

AND THE, IF IT'S THE UNION HILL, YOU ACTUALLY GOT TWO SEPARATE CLAIMS THERE BECAUSE TO OPEN IT BACK UP IS CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY ACTION.

SO YOU CLAIM THAT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY THAN YOU DO THE ACTUAL REPAIRS.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A SEVEN WEEK DATABASE ESTABLISHED IN PRECINCT FOUR TO TRACK EVERY PENNY LABOR, UH, EQUIPMENT, TIME MATERIALS, UH, CONTRACTORS, ALL, AND I'M HERE TO HELP EVERY ONE OF YOU WITH WHATEVER YOU NEED TO GET THIS DONE.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH TODAY, WE'RE REBUILDING A ROAD THAT DEVELOPED ST.

KOHL'S JUST THE ROAD.

THE BASE HAS WASHED OUT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.

SO THEY TORE IT UP.

AND THE REBUILDING SAY, IF IT DOESN'T RAIN,

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WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET OUT THERE AND HELP YOU ANY WAY WE CAN.

OKAY.

ERIC, YOU WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO YOUR OBSERVATIONS OUT THERE.

SO WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE COLBERT, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S GOT A PRETTY BIG HEAD WALLS ON IT, WHICH ALLOWS THE WATER TO BE CHANNELED INTO THE CULVER, WHICH IS GOOD.

USUALLY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE 11 INCHES OF RAIN OR HOWEVER MUCH WE GOT FUNNELING THROUGH THERE.

AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS WITH ALL THAT PRESSURE, THE WATER WAS SITTING AGAINST IT, IT JUST CAVED IN AND DIDN'T WASN'T ABLE TO HANDLE IT.

SO WHEN I WENT AND OBSERVED WHAT WAS GOING ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE IS FLOWING MUCH MORE TURBULENT, LESS THAN THE UPSTREAM.

THE UPSTREAM IS BEING HELD BACK BY THE, THE SIZE OF THE CULVERT AND B THE HEADWALLS, WHICH, UM, CAUSES THE SILT WHATEVER'S BEING CARRIED IN THERE TO DROP OUT ON THE UPPER, ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE.

AND THEN CONVERSELY, WHEN IT'S FLOWING OUT OF THE CULVERT, IT'S FLOWING AT A MUCH HIGHER VELOCITY, WHICH CAUSES A LOT MORE SCOUR OF THE STREAM BED, WIDENING THE CHANNEL, UH, MUCH MORE RAPIDLY THAN IT WOULD IN A NORMAL SITUATION.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I BELIEVE THAT A NEW BRIDGE, UH, A TRUE BRIDGE IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, JUST BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR MORE FLOW TO COME THROUGH.

YOU'RE NOT HAVING THAT SUDDEN DECREASE IN VELOCITY OR THAT SUDDEN INCREASE IN VELOCITY OF FLOW.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A NICE, STEADY, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME SCOUR JUST DUE TO THE VOLUME AFTER A HUGE RAINSTORM LIKE THAT.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE SCOUR WILL BE MUCH LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE AS IT IS CURRENTLY.

SO THIS, THIS AREA, UH, THIS AREAS IS VERY RURAL AND, UM, IT'S VERY PRONE FOR DEBRIS TREES, TRASH TIRES TO BE WASHED DOWN THERE.

SO THIS, UH, THE BRIDGE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, UH, SETTLED ON AS A FULL OPEN SPAN.

SO WE WILL AVOID ANY FUTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, HYDROLOGY HIGH PRESSURE ISSUES WITH OUR COVERT, UH, OR A, A, A CULVERT TYPE INSTALLATION BECOMING CLOG.

IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEVE OR GARRETT.

SO NOW I GUESS WE'LL TURN.

WE, UM, UH, WE MET WITH BRANDY.

SHE CAME IN YESTERDAY WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE THREE OF US.

UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, MADAM AUDITOR ABOUT MONEY? OKAY.

WE CAN, IF Y'ALL HEARD IT MORE FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND I'LL FIX IT, UH, OKAY.

SO I WOULDN'T BE PAID BACK TO THE GENERAL, IF THE MONEY COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUND, IT'D BE PAID BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE IN ONE, WE'LL BE IN TWO FISCAL YEARS, SO I GOT TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY.

UM, SO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW IS DISCUSSED, CONSIDER FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION OF A BRIDGE ON COUNTY ROAD, 40, 84 REQUIRED, BUT FLOOD DAMAGE MAKING COUNTY ROAD 40 84 IN PASSABLE.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE OTHER PART OF THAT, IF THERE'S A MOTION, IT WOULD BE THAT THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO FUND THAT EMERGENCY REPAIR.

IS THERE A OFFICIAL MOTION? YES, SIR.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

JUDGE.

WE HAVE A MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER IN CASE.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND CHECK WITH COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UH, OKAY.

UH, JUDGE GRAY.

SO WE'LL

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JUDGE GRAY DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RENEWAL OF CONTRACT FOR DETENTION SERVICES WITH VANZANT COUNTY, JUVENILE BOARD, CHIEF RAMSEY, SINCE WE WERE HERE, UM, TRYING TO S RAMSEY WAS APPOINTED AS THE, BY THE JUVENILE BOARD AS THE CHIEF OF, UH, JUVENILE PROBATION.

UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAVE FOUR CONTRACTS.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THE FIRST IS WITH VANZANT COUNTY.

ALL OF THESE GULF COAST IS ALL A PLACEMENT.

IT'S NOT A PLACEMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT DETENTION.

SO FANTASTIC COUNTY HAYS COUNTY AND HARRISON COUNTY AND HAYS COUNTY IS ALSO A PLACEMENT, BUT IT'S FOR DETENTION SERVICES.

WE CONTRACT WITH OTHER COUNTIES TO PULLED OUR KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, WHO ARE AWAITING DETENTION.

UM, THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL HAVE PLACEMENT THERE.

UM, WHAT

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THE SOME CHILDREN WHO ARE NOT DOING WELL ON REGULAR PROBATION NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SUPERVISION.

THEY CANNOT BE PROVIDED, UM, SUITABLE SUPERVISION AND CARE IN THEIR HOME.

AND SO WE WILL PLACE THEM IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

ONE OF THOSE IS HAYES COUNTY.

UH, HARRISON COUNTY HAS ONE BRYSON COUNTY HAS ONE GULF COAST TRAITS THAT ARE, UH, IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE USE.

UM, IT DEPENDS ON EACH CHILD AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

GULF COAST.

WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD THINGS THERE.

WE'VE HAD SOME, WE'VE HAD SOME BAD, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE KID AND HOW THEY CHOOSE TO WORK THE PROGRAM.

BUT IT WILL, IF ONCE THEY ARE FINISHED WITH GULF COAST, THERE'LL BE ABLE, THEY'LL USUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE IN SOME SORT OF TRADE.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE TRAITS THAT THEY HAVE? I KNOW THERE'S WELDING, THERE'S THE THING IS, UH, AGRICULTURE, UH, MECHANICS COOKING THIS, THE BROAD STEALS.

THEY TEACH THEM AND THEY ALSO WORK ON THEM GETTING A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

AND SO THEY DO A GOOD JOB IF YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE PROGRAM.

AND AS YES, IT DOESN'T GET INTO FIGHTS AND BECAUSE OF THEIR PROBLEMS. ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT IT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY DO IT'S IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

YEAH.

THEY WANT TO HELP THEIRSELF, THEN THERE'S HELL RIGHT.

CORRECT.

HELP, HELP.

AND THESE ARE ALL FACILITIES THAT WE'VE HAD CONTRACTS WITH IN THE PAST.

GOTCHA.

I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY THAT THE VANZANT COUNTY IS NOT DETENTION SERVICES.

IT IS DETENTION.

OKAY.

THE COAST IS NOT DETENTION IN THE COUNTY.

THEY ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS FOR DETENTION SERVICES.

AND IN HARRISON COUNTY, THAT'S MARSHALL A LOT.

THEY TEND TO HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF OUR KIDS WILL END UP THERE MORE OFTEN.

UM, WE WILL ALSO, THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY FACILITIES THAT WE USE.

THERE'S ALSO GRAYSON COUNTY, COLLIN COUNTY, COLLIN COUNTY.

AND ALSO, YEAH.

AND THEN DALLAS, THE ONLY YOU DON'T GET TO KIND OF USE DALLAS IF IT'S A REALLY VIOLENT CRIME.

RIGHT, EXACTLY.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, CAUSE THEY'RE NOT YOU THERE, BUT THEY WILL TAKE THEM FOR VERY, VERY RECENTLY IN COLLIN COUNTY.

HASN'T HAS NOT BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER COUNTIES.

I THINK THEY'VE HAD ISSUES HIRING ENOUGH PEOPLE, BUT WE'VE RECENTLY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH CALL-IN COUNTY.

AND SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING BECAUSE IT KEEPS OUR KIDS LOCALLY.

THE PROBLEM WITH GOING TO MARSHALL, UH, TO HAYES COUNTY, UM, MIDLAND, ESPECIALLY, UM, OUR PARENTS AND THE FAMILY MEMBERS CAN'T VISIT THE KIDS.

AND THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR OUR KIDS.

NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THEIR FAMILIES ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UM, IF IT'S LOCALLY, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO IT'S, IT GETS TO BE HARDER ONCE IT STARTS TO BE GRICE IN COUNTY, BUT ESPECIALLY MARSHALL, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM.

THEY'LL HAVE QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T THE FACILITIES OFFERING TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH, UH, HELP AS WELL OR COUNSELING OF ANY KIND OR, I MEAN, THEY JUST HOUSED THEM.

THAT'S ABUSE.

IT'S WHERE WE'RE NOT, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TENSION AND POSTED JUDICATIONS.

SO DETENTION.

THESE ARE KIDS.

SO IF THEY I'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHEN A CHILD IS ARRESTED, THEY ARE PUT IN A DETENTION FACILITY AND WITHIN 48 HOURS, I MUST HAVE AN INITIAL DETENTION HEARING.

AND SO AFTER I HAVE THE HEARING, IF I DECIDE THAT THERE IS PROBABLE CAUSE AND AN OFFENSE HAS OCCURRED AND THEY LEGAL REASON TO DETAIN THEM, THEY CAN BE HELD FOR UP TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS.

AND I, IF WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, I ALWAYS ORDER A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION AT THAT TIME, BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, IF THERE ARE NO RED FLAGS, IF THE CHILD IS OKAY AND JUVENILE PROBATION, THE HOME STUDY OF THE HOME, THE CHILD CAN BE RELEASED, BUT BASED ON THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, WHETHER THEY'RE RELEASED OR THEY'RE IN DETENTION, WE CAN PROVIDE COUNSELING FOR THEM.

BUT THE TENSION THAT THESE KIDS HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUDICATED OF AN OFFENSE YET.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, I CAN SAY AS, AS PART OF YOUR RELEASE OR WHILE YOU'RE IN DETENTION, YOU ATTEND COUNSELING OR ANGER MANAGEMENT.

AND ABSOLUTELY WE WILL DO MENTAL HEALTH EVALUATION.

UM, IF A CHILD IS NOT FOUND TO BE COMPETENT, UM, THERE'S A CHAPTER 55, AND THEN YOU WILL USUALLY SEND THOSE KIDS TO TERRELL STATE FROM EVALUATION TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ACTUALLY COMPETENT.

WE'VE THERE ARE SEVERAL KIDS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEEMED TO BE COMPETENT FOR MENTAL HEALTH REASONS.

SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO

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THEN THERE ARE A LOT MORE PROGRAMS THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE A PREDISPOSITION REPORT, WE HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION AND REALLY CAN DIVE INTO WHAT THE CHILD NEEDS TO BE REHABILITATED.

THE JUVENILE SYSTEM.

YOU, THE FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS REHABILITATION.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT.

NOTHING CAN BE ABOUT PUNISHMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT REHAB, UH, REHABILITATION.

SO WITH DRUG USE, THERE ARE PLACEMENTS THAT WE CAN DO.

THERE'S DRUG TESTING.

OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S A KID, IF THERE IS A KID IN DETENTION, THEY'RE NOT USING HOPE, BUT, UM, USUALLY SO YES, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR A DETENTION.

UM, PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS WHEN A KID IS IN DETENTION, KNOWING THEIR DAY TO DAY NEEDS HOW THEY ARE DOING, THEY'RE GETTING REPORTS, BUT IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE CHILD AND SEE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

WE CAN HEAR REPORTS THAT A CHILD IS, UM, FOR MENTAL HEALTH REASONS MAY NOT BE COMPETENT AND WE CAN GET THEM EVALUATED.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT GETTING ACCURATE REPORTS, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT CHILD.

SO ALL OF THIS MAKES SENSE.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS AS A CHILD IS IN DETENTION, WE HAVE SEEN KIDS DETERIORATE THE LONGER THE CASE LASTS.

THEY CAN'T SEE THEIR FAMILY, THEY CAN'T TALK TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND WE TRY TO DO THE DETENTION HEARINGS ON ZOOM.

AND IT'S, IT'S BETTER FOR THEM.

IF THEY'RE, LET'S SAY THEY'RE IN MARSHALL, LET'S SAY THEY'RE IN MIDLAND.

I DON'T WANT A KID ON THE ROAD FOR A DETENTION HEARING.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE IN MARSHALL, THAT'S SIX HOURS.

IF THEY'RE, IF I THEN FIND THAT THEY NEED TO BE DETAINED, IF THEY CAN'T GO HOME, IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON AND THERE THEY ARE EITHER A DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES, OR THERE'S NOT SUITABLE SUPERVISION OR CARE AT THEIR HOME.

THEY'VE GOT TO BE THE TEAM THAT KIDS ON THE ROAD FOR SIX HOURS, WE'VE GOT SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TRANSPORT ON THE ROAD.

IT'S A RECIPE FOR EVENTUALLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A KID AND AN OFFICER IN A CAR ACCIDENT IF WE'RE DRIVING ALL OVER TEXAS.

SO WE DO IT BY ZOOM.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS ON ZOOM.

THAT'S WHEN THEY GET TO SEE THEIR FAMILY ON ZOOM AND A HEARING, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY.

SO THERE, THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THESE, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF AN OFFENSE, THEY'RE STILL KIDS AND THEY STILL MISS THE PARENTS.

RIGHT? SO THE CONTRACTS ARE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

IF THEY HAVE SPACE, WE HAVE TIMES WHERE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE CONTRACTS ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A BED AND HE'S CALLING ME IN THE MIDDLE OF YOU CALLED ME AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

IT WAS LIKE, WHO DO I PICK? I'VE GOT TO, AND DALLAS COUNTY HAS ONE BED.

NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY BED.

AND WE'VE CALLED ALL OVER THE STATE AND I GET TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE GOES TO CHOOSE, WHICH ONE IS THE LEAST DANGEROUS AND CAN STAY HOME ON AN ANKLE MONITOR THAT THAT'S OUR SITUATION RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ON THE SAME MUFFIN.

SO IT MAKES IT KIND OF TOUGH, BUT IT DOES.

AND IT GOES BACK INTO WHO HAS THE BETTER SITUATION AT HOME THAT A PARENT WHO'S INVOLVED AND CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SUPERVISION WHO HAS PRIORS.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO CONSIDER, BUT I DO HAVE TO CONSIDER, I HAD TO CONSIDER IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, WHO GET, WHO IS THE MORE DANGEROUS AND WHO DO WE NEED TO LOCK UP AND WHO CAN WE HOPE AND PRAY IS GOING TO BE OKAY AT HOME ON THE SAME CHARGE.

WELL, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT WE SURE NEED TO MEET TO STAND UP FOR SOME MONEY.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY HAD PLENTY.

YEAH, WE DID DISCOVER THAT, THAT THIS LAST WEEK THEY ARE, WE HAVE ONE KID THAT WE COMMITTED TO T J J, D, AND THEY ARE REIMBURSING US, BUT IT'S $120.

SHE'S IN DALLAS COUNTY.

AND I THINK DOLLARS COUNTY IS LIKE $170 A DAY.

SO WE ADJUDICATED HER IN JULY.

IT'S ONLY $50 A DAY.

I'VE LIBERATED AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S PREVENTING US FROM ANOTHER BED.

BUT T J J D I THINK IS ONLY HALF STAFFED RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY ONLY TAKING MAYBE 10 TO 10 KIDS A WEEK AND SHE'S LIKE NUMBER 90.

SO WHEN SHE STILL HAVE A WAY TO GO BEFORE, SHE'S, UH, SHE CAN GO TO IT COULD BE, WHICH MEANS THAT SHE'S SITTING IN DETENTION, I'LL GET THE SERVICES.

RIGHT? WELL, SHE, THE, THE, THE POINT OF SENDING THEM TO TJ D IS THEY HAVE MORE RESOURCES.

THEY HAVE MORE SERVICES.

AND WHILE SHE IS SITTING IN DETENTION, NOT GETTING THOSE SERVICES, IT ALMOST, IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PLACE.

NO, NO, NO.

AND THIS IS A PROBLEM ACROSS THE STATE AND GETTING OUT AND STATEMENT AND SEEM TO BE MOVING FORWARD OR NOT.

THEY ONLY TAKE 10 TO 30 IN THERE.

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AND THEIR FUN BALANCE.

THEY CARE OF THEM OR WHERE THEY CARE OR 20 X MILLION DOLLARS, $7 BILLION.

WOW.

YES.

YOU HAVE TO MAIL THEM.

UM, AND THEY ADDED ANOTHER 37 BILLION TO THE RAINY DAY.

YES.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, I SEE THAT THEY'RE ANNOTATED AS CONTRACTS, BUT IS THERE AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OR WHAT THESE, WHAT THESE CONTRACTS COST OR DOES THAT EVEN NEED TO BE, WHAT DID THEY HAVE CHARGES THEN THERE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT EVER KNOW.

AND THEY VARY A QUANTITATIVE, WHICH FACILITY THERE, UH, GRAYSON COUNTY WE'VE WE HAVE TWO BEDS AND WE PAY EVERY SINGLE DAY TO HAVE TWO BEDS.

YES.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR LAST RESORT BECAUSE IT'S GUARANTEED, THOSE TWO BEDS ARE GUARANTEED.

IF WE CAN GET SOMEONE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S GOOD.

BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A KID THAT COMES IN ON A MURDER CHARGE, MOST DETENTION FACILITIES ARE GOING TO SAY, NO, EVEN IF WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE A BED, THEY DON'T WANT THAT KID, GRAYSON COUNTY HAS TO TAKE THAT KID.

AND SO IT, SOMETIMES YOU'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE PEOPLE FROM GRAYSON COUNTY SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT TRY TO KEEP THAT AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO AND IT'S EVERY DAY, BUT WE USUALLY HAVE TWO IN THOSE BEDS.

RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE TWO IN THOSE BEDS RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UM, LIKE IF, IF WE HA WE CAUGHT A, UH, JUVENILE WITH A MURDER CASE, SOMEONE WOULD PROBABLY BE MOVED OUT OF GRAYSON COUNTY AND HELD THERE SO THAT THEY CAN, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEM CALLING IN DALLAS.

WE'LL ALSO TAKE KIDS WITH THAT HIGH, THAT TYPE OF CHARGE.

WHEN WE USED TO SAY, IF WE GOT ONE, BUT SOME AMOUNT OF TIME, IT, IT, IT, WE USED TO SAY, IT'S A MATTER OF TIME.

IT, WE HAD THREE LAST, LAST YEAR.

SO I, I KNOW IT'S IN OUR BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN OUR BUDGET DOCUMENTS HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR AVERAGE, WHAT'S A BALLPARK ANNUAL COSTS FOR JUVENILE DETENTION CONTRACT, JUVENILE DETENTION.

DO YOU KNOW AUDITOR? NO.

I'VE DROPPED MY HAND EACH ONE'S DIFFERENT.

YES.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU GET WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THEM.

HOW LONG? WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AGGREGATE.

IF WE DO, WE KNOW WHAT THE AGGREGATE BUDGET FOR JUVENILE DETENTION IS.

I THINK THIS YEAR NOW WE DON'T USE IT ALL.

I THINK THIS YEAR WE WERE ASKING IN 3 75, AND IF WE DON'T, THEN IT'S ROLLED BACK OVER.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST STAYING YESTERDAY.

WE HAD 12 KIDS IN DETENTION AND WE LEFT TO GO YESTERDAY.

SO THIS MORNING WE STAND IN AT 10.

SO, AND IT'S, SINCE SCHOOL STARTED, IT'S PICKED BACK UP.

SO IT'S GOT TO GO UP THIS YEAR.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A CRITICAL OPERATIONAL ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS SPECIFICALLY, BUT FOR THE COUNTY.

BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO, FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING THIS COUNTY EVERY YEAR.

OKAY.

AND THE TENSION, WE'RE NOT DETAINING KIDS, USUALLY ON MISDEMEANORS, UNLESS IT'S AN ASSAULT, FAMILY, VIOLENCE ASSAULT IN THE HOME WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY VIOLENT CRIMES OR USUALLY GUN, UH, GUN-RELATED CRIMES OR, UM, SEX OFFENSES.

THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THOSE, THOSE ARE THE AUDIENCES.

IT'S NOT MISDEMEANORS HERE AND THERE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO MENTION THESE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE FACILITIES AND THE ABILITY TO, TO HOUSE SOME OF THESE KIDS, BECAUSE THEIR CHARGES ARE VERY HIGH, OFTEN, VERY VIOLENT.

ONE QUESTION, LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE ONE HERE FOR GULF COAST, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, $235, I GUESS A DAY IS WHAT IT COSTS TO HOUSE A JUVENILE THERE.

NOW WE ONLY PAY THAT RATE WHILE THEY WERE ACTUALLY BEING HOUSED, OR WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT, PAY THAT TO THEM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT BED AVAILABLE.

KELLY'S EXACTLY.

WE HAVE A CHILD THERE AND THE STATE DOES REIMBURSE FOR POST-IT JUDICATION PLACEMENT.

IF THEY QUALIFY FOR GRANT ARE, BUT TO QUALIFY FOR GRANT REIMBURSEMENT, THE CHILD HAD TO HAVE PREVIOUS, UH, SERVICES.

SO THEY HAD TO BE ON PROBATION PREVIOUSLY, AND THEY HAVE TO BE ON PROBATION FOR A FELONY.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE STATE WILL PICK UP THE TAB.

LIKE A LOT OF KIDS WERE PLACED LAST YEAR, WE USE RADAR AND THAT SAVED US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE COUNTY.

IT DOES SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET DISCUSSION.

LATER IN THIS MEETING, WE, I INSTRUCTED STAFF TO PUT THE STATE COSTS, THE STATE REIMBURSEMENT AND OUR PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE COUNTY PAGE IN JUVENILE.

YOU NEED TO KNOW.

IT'S LIKE 70 SOMETHING PERCENT FOR THE COUNTY.

THE OTHER COMES FROM THE STATE.

SO

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NO.

ALL RIGHT, DON'T WORRY.

WE'LL TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME.

THEN.

UM, ITEM THREE IS DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER APPROVAL, RENEWABLE CONTRACT FOR DETENTION SERVICE VAN ZANDT COUNTY, JUVENILE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO, SO MOVE.

WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONED CAGE.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RENEWAL CONTRACT DETENTION SERVICES WITH HAYES COUNTY JUVENILE CENTER.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT? WHERE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBERS OR SECOND SEGREGATE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNAL.

WAS THAT ELLIPSE? YEP.

UH, THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO ITEM FIVE.

DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RENEWAL OF CONTRACT FOR SERVICES WITH GULF COAST TRADES CENTER.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS OUR SECOND.

SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

LAST ITEM.

SIX, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RENEWAL OF CONTRACT FOR DETENTION SERVICES WITH HARRISON COUNTY JUVENILE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT? SO MOVE.

WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER CATES.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, ITEM

[9. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider rescinding the County-wide burn ban adopted on June 28, 2022.]

THANK YOU.

THIS IS MINE.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER RESCINDING THE COUNTYWIDE BURN BAN ADOPTED ON JUNE 28TH, 2022.

THE FIRE MARSHAL UNDER HIS AUTHORITY HAS ALREADY TEMPORARILY RESCINDED THE BURN BAN.

UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW.

COMMISSIONER, BARBARA'S TALKING ABOUT THE GRASS BEING GREEN.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE COUNTYWIDE BURN BAN ADOPTED ON JUNE 28TH, 2022? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ONE COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 10.

[10. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider extending Kaufman County's Declaration of Local Disaster issued on August 23, 2022.]

DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER ISSUED ON AUGUST 23RD, 2022.

I, UH, I ISSUED THAT, UH, DISASTER DECLARATION ON OUR MIND AUTHORITY, BUT NOW WE NEED, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO, WE NEED TO EXTEND THAT A LOCAL DISASTER.

STEVE, YOU GOT A COMMENT FOR US.

YES, SIR.

UH, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE TEXAS DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE DO NOT NEED TO EXTEND IT THAT YOUR DECLARATION HAS DONE WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.

WE ARE PART OF THE GOVERNOR'S DISASTER DECLARATION.

SO WE TRIPPED THAT TRIGGER AND WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO EXTEND IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO NO HARM, NO FOUL.

I DON'T GUESS.

UM, ONE THAT WAY WE'RE COVERED.

SURE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO EXTEND THAT DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER I'LL MAKE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

STEVE ITEM 11,

[11. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter a public hearing.]

WHERE THE EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER BARBARA, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WE ARE IN A PUBLIC

[12. Public Hearing; To receive input regarding the adoption of the Kaufman County Clerk's Records Archive Funding Plan, pursuant to Local Government Code 118.025(g).]

THIS IS A STATUTE THAT PUT INTO PLACE FOR THE COUNTY CLERK TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT FUNDS FOR RECORDS, PRESERVATION BASED ON RECORDS THAT ARE BEING FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

AND IT'S BEEN POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER.

WE'VE USED THE FUNDS IN THE PAST, WORKING WITH PURCHASING.

I THINK THIS LAST YEAR WE VIEW 700,000 FOR RECORDS PRESERVATION AND OVER 350,000 FOR SHELVING AND THE MOVING TO THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER.

AND WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

PLEASE CONTINUE FUNDING OF THIS RECORDS, ARCHIVE FUND PLAYING.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

UH, IS THERE ANY ON WITH US TODAY THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION? IS THERE ANYONE HERE WITH US TODAY WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION? OKAY.