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THIS REGULAR

[Call to Order]

MEETING OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS CALLED TO ORDER.

TODAY IS NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022.

IT'S 9:00 AM IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING ROOM, AND WE'RE IN THE COURTHOUSE, ANNEX AND KAUFMAN.

WE'LL START OUR MEETING TODAY WITH THE INVOCATION, UH, OFFERED BY COMMISSIONER KATES AND COMMISSIONER BARBER'S GONNA LEAD US IN THE PLEDGES.

PLEASE STAND IF YOU'LL PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE.

YOUR LORD, WE COME TO YOU TODAY WITH THE HUMBLE HEART, AND THANK YOU FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE LIVE AND EXPERIENCE IN OUR COUNTRY EVERY DAY ON THIS ELECTION DAY.

LORD, WE ASK ALSO THAT, THAT OUR NATION TAKE A GOOD, BOLD STEP FORWARD, THAT GOOD DECISIONS BE MADE BOTH NATIONWIDE AND HERE IN OUR, HERE IN OUR COUNTY TODAY.

AS WE WORK, LORD, WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON ALL OF OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, AND CERTAINLY ON OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUR MILITARY.

WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN.

MY PLEASURE.

TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

RAW HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INVISIBLE.

OKAY.

FIRST

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

ITEM OF BUSINESS TODAY IS ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE TO SHARE? WELL, I CAN SAY ONE THING, WHAT THE VOTERS HAVE TURNED OUT.

MM-HMM.

OVER IN MY PRECINCT.

WE HAD TO GET THE ROAD AND BRIDGE CREW OVER THERE THIS MORNING, CALLING OFF PARKING LOT AND HELP THEM.

THE LINES WERE SO LONG.

YEP.

UM, SO THE ONLY ITEM OF ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE I HAVE IS, UM, ON A WEEK FROM THIS COMING THURSDAY ON THE 17TH, AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, WE ARE HAVING A RIBBON CUTTING AND A OPEN HOUSE FOR THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER.

EVERYBODY IS INVITED.

UM, THERE'LL BE A BRIEF CEREMONY IN, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED TO TOUR THROUGH THE BUILDING.

HOPEFULLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE ABLE TO STATION THEIR, SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR DEPARTMENTS HELP GUIDE THE FOLKS AND HELP EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.

UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ONE OTHER THING, WE, UH, WE DO HAVE A VETERAN'S DAY CEREMONY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ON FRIDAY AT 11:00 AM AT THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL HERE IN KAUFMAN.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT.

I FAILED TO MENTION THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? THEN

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, A THROUGH D.

DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS CARE TO SPEAK OF THOSE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY? IF NOT, THEN IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRINT AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSE? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM

[3. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter executive session.]

THREE, DISCUSS.

CONSIDER EXITING REGULAR MEETING AND ENTERING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA.

IS THERE.

SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER KATE'S DISCUSSION.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WE

[4. Executive Session; Pursuant to section 551.076 of the Texas Government Code, the Commissioners Court will meet in closed session to discuss security audits.]

ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0.076 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL MEET IN CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS SECURITY AUDITS.

WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN HERE AND, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE .

SO, UH, I'M SORRY, THOSE OF YOU ARE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'LL BE, I'M GUESSING MAYBE 30 MINUTES OR SO.

SO, UH, WE'LL STAY IN HERE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PRESENTATION ON OUR SCREENS HERE.

SO THANK Y'ALL.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.

SOMEBODY WILL COME GET YOU.

WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBERS

[5. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting executive session and enter back into regular meeting.]

OR SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY OF SAYING AYE.

OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UM,

[6. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider taking any action resulting from executive session.]

WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OF COURSE.

IS THERE ANY MOTION COMING OUT? HEARING NONE.

UH, THEN

[8. Public Hearing; To receive input related to the proposed Kaufman County Property Assessed Clean Energy "PACE" Program.]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENT RELATED TO THE PROPOSED KAUFMAN COUNTY PROPERTY ASSESSED CLEAN ENERGY PACE PROGRAM.

AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL ASK GLENN SILVA IF HE'LL COME UP AND JUST GIVE US A ELEVATOR SPEECH ABOUT WHAT THIS IS AND THEN WE'LL, UH, TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

YOU DIDN'T SAY GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS

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REGULAR MEETING.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS I DIDN'T SAY IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING IN EXIT FOR, IN SUPPORT OF THE ESTABLISHING THE, THE PACE PROGRAM FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT VEHICLE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW WITH RISING INTEREST RATES.

DEVELOPERS ARE SEEKING LONGER TERM CHEAPER CAPITAL, WHICH PACE PROVIDES AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE, IT ALLOWS YOU TO MEET YOUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

UM, IT'S LONG TERM IN NATURE.

IT'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY WHATSOEVER.

WE BASICALLY DO ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING OF FILING THE ASSESSMENTS, EDUCATING THE, THE PUBLIC.

SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT OPENING.

AND SO THE, IS THERE ANYONE WITH US WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION? IS THERE ANYONE WITH US WHO CARE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED ACTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE THEN, UH,

[9. Judge Richards; Discuss/Consider exiting the public hearing and enter back into a regular meeting.]

IS THERE A MOTION TO EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO REGULAR MEETING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR OF SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UH,

[10. Glenn Silva; Discuss/Consider approving the resolution establishing the Kaufman County Property Assessed Clean Energy "PACE" Program.]

SO GLENN SILVA IS UP FOR DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE RESOLUTION, ESTABLISHING THE COFFIN COUNTY PROPERTY ASSESS CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM KNOWN AS THE PACE PROGRAM.

I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THAT BRIEFING.

YES, SIR.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR GLENN.

IF THERE'S NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED IN ITEM 10? SO MOVE WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

COMMISSIONER KATES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

NO.

OPPOSE.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 11 TO

[11. Glenn Silva; Discuss/Consider approving the Professional Services Agreement for the Administration of a Property Assessed Clean Energy "PACE" Program.]

GLENN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, THE PROPERTY ASSIST OR THE PACE PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THE CRITICAL POINT YOU JUST MADE IS THAT THIS IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY.

YES, SIR.

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR GLENN ON 11? NO.

THE ONLY THING WOULD BE BETTER THAN ZERO COST IS IF YOU PAID UP , THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US THREE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT.

SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING WITH ZERO.

THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US FREE REPORTS.

SO, UM, SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IN ITEM 11? SO MO, WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR OF SIGNIFY US SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, GLEN.

I TOLD YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT TODAY.

NOT A PROBLEM.

I SAID 30 MINUTES, BUT WE SPENT A LITTLE TIME GETTING OUR, UH, GETTING OUR TECHNOLOGY SQUARED AWAY.

NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL, SIR.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO SERVING Y'ALL AND HELPING Y'ALL MEET YOUR, UH, SUSTAINABILITY GOALS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, ITEM 12.

[12. Bobby Bridges; Present updates on Animal Shelter, Justice Center, and all new construction projects in Kaufman County.]

UH, THIS ITEM WAS OUR STANDARD ROUTINE ITEM OF ASKING, UH, FACILITIES DIRECTOR TO COME IN AND GIVE US UPDATES.

UH, HE IS, THEY'RE DOING A WALKTHROUGH, UH, AT THE JUSTICE CENTER TODAY.

AND SO HE IS NOT WITH US.

SO I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE JUST PASS ON ITEM 12.

OKAY? YEP.

ITEM 13.

WE DON'T HAVE A JACKSON BASH.

I DON'T EITHER.

OR 14.

COMMISSIONER

[15. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider the review of applications received from non-profits not already funded in the budget.]

HUNT.

ITEM 15, DISCUSS, CONSIDER REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM NON-PROFITS, NOT ALREADY FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.

THIS RIGHT HERE, I JUST, I PUT BACK ON THE, UH, COURT AS, AS LAST WEEK WE SAID WE WERE GONNA PUT IT BACK ON THERE.

UM, JUST FOR, I MEAN, FOR DISCUSSION.

CONSIDER, THIS IS THE, THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT YOU HANDED OUT INITIALLY, HAL, AND THEN, UH, IT HAD TWO OR THREE ON HERE THAT HADN'T BEEN FUNDED AND THAT, AS FAR AS THE CONVERSATION, JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE BOARD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THESE.

SO WE HAVE THE, I MEAN, WE HAD, WE HAD SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THE POSITION, BUT, UH, AND WE HAD HAD THESE ON THIS LIST THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED US.

SO JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THERE FOR DISCUSSION WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT, HOW WE'RE

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GONNA DEAL WITH IT.

NO, WE HAD, YEAH, WE HAD TWO, TWO ON HERE.

RIGHT.

TWO THAT DID NOT RECEIVE FUNDS, I GUESS THAT PUT IN APPLICATIONS.

YES.

MM-HMM.

, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THEY WERE REQUESTING? I, I DON'T HAVE MY PAPERWORK WITH YOU.

THEY DID RECEIVE FUNDS.

UH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE, UH, WELL, LIKE THE CENTER, I THINK, UH, I GUESS YOU TOOK 'EM A CHECK FOR $5,000 WITH THE INITIAL COVID MONEY LAST YEAR OR YEAR FOR FEDERAL LAST.

ORGANIZATIONS WERE NOT, THEY WERE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HADN'T BEEN FUNDED BEFORE.

THEY'VE NEVER YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THEY'D NEVER BEEN FUNDED.

WELL, I THINK, UH, OH, LET'S SEE WHAT IT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ON THE, I DON'T KNOW, ON THE CENTER.

I DON'T THINK HE HAD AN AMOUNT ON HIS APPLICATION.

ACTUALLY.

I'M CORRECT.

AND I THINK THE OTHER ONE ASKED FOR 25,000 OR SOMETHING.

I THINK ON, WELL, I SAID, UH, THIS, SEE, IT SAYS LIST PROGRAM SERVICES WITH DOLLAR AMOUNT FINANCE TO THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE ORGANIZATION PARTICIPATED.

AND IT CARES.

THE CARES MONEY.

CARES MONEY.

YEAH.

CARES MONEY.

AND, UH, 2020.

SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO.

IT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT THEY, WE GAVE 'EM $5,000 THAT YEAR.

AND THEN, UH, PROJECT DESCRIPTION DATA, UH, FOR THE CENTER IS THAT, UH, THE ESTABLISHED ACCOUNT IN 2019 FOR DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO NEIGHBORS FOR UTILITIES, HOUSING, GAS, CAR, AND OTHER NEEDS IS NEEDED.

A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE NOTATIONS IN THIS ACCOUNT GO BACK TO ASSIST NEIGHBORS.

NO OPERATIONAL ADMIN FEES ARE SPENT FROM THIS ACCOUNT.

AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT GOES.

AND AS OF JUNE, YEAR TO DATE, 2022, THERE'S BEEN APPROXIMATELY $25,000 ASSISTING PEOPLE WITH THE UTILITIES HOUSING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WELL, THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY'VE SPENT, I'M ASKING.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY'VE SPENT.

I REMEMBER THE POINT ABOUT TO JUNE YEAR TO DATE 2022.

BUT EVIDENTLY THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S LONG LINES UP THERE WAITING, YOU KNOW, TO SERVE FAMILIES ALL OVER THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, GETTING FOOD AND THEY HAVE CONTACTS WITH THE FOOD BANK AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALSO ONE THAT THE CREDIT CARDS WILL GO TO WALMART, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THAT I DID LAST YEAR THAT I WENT WALMART KIDS.

BUT THAT'S NOT THIS ORGANIZATION.

NO, THAT'S UH, I GUESS IS THAT THE REACH? THAT'S REACH, YEAH, REACH.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, REACH.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE KAUFMAN CHRISTIAN HELP CENTER.

OKAY.

I THINK IT'S CALLED CENTER ON THE STREET.

IT'S KIND OF THE SLANG NAME FOR IT YEAH.

THAT THEY GO BY.

SO, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ON THE LIST THAT, THAT HAL PROVIDED US.

THAT IT, UH, SO I JUST, WE JUST HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 'EM, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, UH, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC FOR A COUPLE OF SESSIONS, I ACTUALLY GOT SOME INQUIRIES FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS ACROSS THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY UTILIZING PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS FOR CHARITABLE DONATIONS.

SO AFTER, AFTER GETTING SOME INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL, UH, I THINK IT, IT APPARENTLY IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE PERHAPS, UH, BEEN A LITTLE LAX IN THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A FORMAL DETERMINATION THAT THIS USE OF TAX DOLLARS IS FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD AND IT HAS TO BE MADE INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH ORGANIZATION THAT WE MIGHT DONATE MONEY TO.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S REALLY NO COUNTY POLICY.

AND, AND I THINK COUNCIL WILL AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE ONE, THERE'S NO COUNTY POLICY THAT REALLY, UH, DESCRIBES OR DEFINES WHAT PUBLIC PURPOSE, UH, WHAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHAT THE PUBLIC FUNCTION, UM, OF THESE CHARITABLE DONATIONS ACTUALLY ARE.

AND THERE'S ALSO NO, OH, UH, ESTABLISHED POLICY THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UM, FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, TO THE, TO THE COUNTY FOR THESE DONATIONS.

DID I PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZE THAT HERE? YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? YES.

YES.

UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT A LOT OF CHURCHES AND GROUPS DO THAT, UM, THAT GIVE PUBLIC FUNDS OR, OR LIKE CHURCH DONATIONS TO THE PUBLIC IS PUBLIC PURPOSE IS A VERY, VERY BROAD CATEGORY UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, THE CODE.

JUST GIMME A SECOND.

AND SO, ALMOST ANYTHING, EXCUSE ME, OF COLD TOO CAN

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BE MADE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

BUT, UM, IF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WANTS TO BE UNIFORM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY CAN DO IS SET AS, IS LIKE REALLY DEFINE A PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY, LIKE WHAT WE WANT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE TO BE FOR OUR COURT OR OUR CITIZENS.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ALSO WANNA LOOK AT WHETHER OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR THESE GROUPS OR, OR DO LIKE REDUNDANT SERVICES.

IT, IT REALLY WOULD JUST BE A POLICY THAT WOULD GIVE THE COURT SOME CONSISTENCY AND THEN APPLY THE SAME FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY TO EACH GROUP.

IF YOU REQUIRE FINANCIAL REPORTS OR YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MONEY IS TRULY USED FOR THE PURPOSE THAT IT'S GIVEN, THEN THE COUNTY CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A POLICY OF WHAT'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHAT FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY ACCOUNTABILITIES REQUIRED, AND, UM, AND MAKING SURE IT'S NOT MAYBE A REDUNDANT, UM, ORGAN.

EXCUSE ME, I'M SO SORRY.

YOU GONNA BE ALRIGHT? I THINK SO.

I JUST, I THINK I GOT THE COLD FROM MY SON, BUT, UM, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE IT, UM, MORE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE PLAYING FIELD FOR THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

AND THE COUNTY CAN CERTAINLY, BY STATUTE IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE, BUT THE COUNTY CAN CERTAINLY IMPLEMENT A POLICY THAT'S REASONABLE AND THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURTS WOULD LIKE FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST APPLYING THE SAME STANDARDS AND, UM, AND CRITERIA TO EACH ORGANIZATION.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY TO OUR CI CITIZENS IF WE HAVE, WE REQUIRE CERTAIN FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, FOR THE FUNDS THAT WE PROVIDE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, UM, FOR ONE THING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ON, ON PROBABLY ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THEIR NEED FOR FUNDING IS, IS DOESN'T HAVE AN END.

I MEAN, UH, WHATEVER THEIR CHAR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING FOR, FOR CHILDREN OR FOR THE HOMELESS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S NO, I MEAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL NEVER BE ENOUGH MONEY TO PROVIDE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS, THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT POLICY IS WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT MAKING AN ORGANIZATION COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON OUR DONATIONS BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN A NONPROFIT.

LIKE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN METHOD OF RAISING FUNDS RATHER THAN BECOMING TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND BEING VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S A YEAR TO YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAR TO YEAR, DON, IT'S REALLY HARD AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A $25,000 DONATION TO A VERY WORTHY CHARITY AND THEN COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR AND TELL 'EM YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT.

IT'S GONNA BE 10, 10, IT'S VERY, OR FIVE OR NOT.

IT'S VERY HARD.

YOU AND, UH, AND, AND YEAH, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN MY TIME HERE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE REALLY OUR DONATIONS JUST BECOME DEFACTO POLICY.

THEY DO, THEY JUST, THEY ROLL OVER THEIR AUTOMATIC, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES, IN FACT IN THIS YEAR WHERE EVEN WITHOUT AN ORGANIZATION REQUESTING FUNDS, WE JUST AUTOMATICALLY DONATE THOSE FUNDS.

SO, AND, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE, WHILE IT'S IMPLIED, WE HAVE NOT MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICIAL DETERMINATION, UH, OR, OR DESIGNATION THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS FOR, UH, PUBLIC BENEFIT.

YEAH.

IT, IT SHOULD BE A POLICY.

IT SHOULD STRICTLY BE YEAR TO YEAR.

AND THERE SHOULD BE AN APPLICATION, AN APPLICATION DEADLINE, LIKE REALLY IN THE SPRING SO THAT IT GETS, UM, RIGHT.

AND THAT, AND THAT, UH, THAT, THAT ALSO, UH, THE, THE SORT OF, UH, DEFACTO WAY THAT WE DO IT IN, IN SOME, UH, IN SOME REGARD PRECLUDES OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FROM, FROM POTENTIAL ACCESS TO COUNTY FUNDING.

SO THAT THERE, IT REALLY SHOULD BE A FORMALIZED PROCESS.

THERE SHOULD BE SOME WRITTEN POLICY ABOUT IT.

IT SHOULD HAVE DEADLINES.

UH, EVERYONE, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE NOTICED, UH, THAT ALL CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS CAN MAKE THESE, THESE APPLICATIONS, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN AN EQUITABLE, UH, ORGANIZATION.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF MY MOTION AND IT WAS GIVEN TO US THE FIRST DAY.

SO I PUT IT OUT THERE.

IF WE DON'T CHOOSE TO PURSUE IT AS, AS A, AS A COURT CHOOSE NOT TO, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID TODAY.

AND MAYBE ANNABELLE CAN PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE, KIND OF THE DEAD PART OF THE YEAR NEXT YEAR AS A REMINDER THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AS A COURT BEFORE BUDGET COMES, BEFORE BUDGET COMES UP IN JULY.

SO WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS TO TRY TO GET A POLICY WELL IN ADVANCE OF EVERYBODY THAT WOULD BE APPLYING THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S

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GOING ON.

PERHAPS IN THE MEAN, YOU HAVE A LITTLE REMINDER THERE OR SOMETHING.

PERHAPS IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE COULD ASK THE CIVILS TO RESEARCH.

I BET THERE'S OTHER COUNTIES THAT DO THIS AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE POLICIES THAT ARE WRITTEN TO DEFINE WHAT A PUBLIC PURPOSE IS AND WELL, IT COULD BE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

UM, YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, YOU CAN GO AND DO THE RESEARCH AND STUFF AND THEN WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND, AND WE CAN WORK ON THE PROPOSED POLICY.

AND ALSO THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EXCEED THE PERCENTAGE OF WHATEVER THEIR MONEY IS EITHER.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PARAMETERS THAT THE SOLE PROVIDER YEAH.

WE'LL COME UP WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT YES, SO, OKAY, WELL I'VE GOTTEN THE SAME CALLS THAT, UH, KEN HAS GOTTEN SOME CONCERNS.

NOT REALLY COMPLAINTS, BUT CONCERNS ABOUT, NUMBER ONE, CAN WE DO THIS? SHOULD WE BE DOING IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT AND ALL THIS.

SO I THINK IF WE GET ALL THAT TOGETHER, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE GOOD.

SO THE PUBLIC WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT.

AND, AND THE COUNTY SHOULD LIMIT THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE SHOULD BE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDING BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS OTHER, YOU KNOW, FUNDING OBLIGATIONS WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS IN HERE THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE DON'T NEED, GIVE THE KIND OF MONEY WE GIVE TO 'EM, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.

SO IT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PHONE CALLS ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, I'VE READ IT ON FACEBOOK WHERE THE CLOUDED INDIVIDUAL MAKES STATEMENTS OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.

SO, BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET IT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AND LEGAL'S WORKING ON IT.

AND ANNABEL CAN, WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BUDGET ITEM FOR THIS COUNTY.

OH, I THOUGHT THERE'S 300 SHOULD PURSU TO A, IT SHOULD BE PURSUANT TO A, A STANDARDIZED POLICY THAT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND, AND WELL MANAGED.

I THINK IT'S 300 SOMETHING, WOULDN'T IT? SO I DON'T HEAR ANY TALKING ABOUT SPENDING ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND A DAY POSSIBLY.

SO APPROACHING HALF A MILLION.

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I DON'T HEAR ANY INCLINATION TO, TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

AM I, IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM OR DO WE JUST WANNA PASS IT? I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING.

SO WE, WE HAVE THE, UH, WE HAVE OUR STAND IN FOR JACK SEBASTIAN HERE.

I THINK.

I THINK THAT'S WHY SHE'S HERE.

I THINK HE'S PROBABLY WALKING WITH THE PUNCH LIST PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SHE'S A LOT BETTER TO LOOK AT THAN HE YES, YES.

AND PROBABLY SMARTER TOO.

.

SO, UH, JANELLE,

[13. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider procedures for disposal of county surplus property per local government code section 263.152 (a) (1) & (3).]

THIS IS, UH, JANELLE TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROCEDURES FOR DISPOSAL OF COUNTY SURPLUS PROPERTY PER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 63.

1 52.

OKAY.

I AM GONNA TABLE THAT ITEM BECAUSE HE WANNA PRESENT THAT ONE.

OKAY.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM 13? WE'LL MOVE.

WE HAVE THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER.

KATES A SECOND.

SECOND, SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM

[14. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider amending purchase order 223012 to Texas Materials Group Inc. for road repairs to county road 4096 in precinct 4.]

14, DISCUSS, CONSIDER AMENDING PURCHASE ORDER 2 23 0 12 TO TEXAS MATERIALS GROUP FOR ROAD REPAIRS FOR COUNTY ROAD 4 0 96 IN PRECINCT FOUR.

SO THIS ONE WAS BROUGHT TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON SEPTEMBER THE 13TH AND APPROVED.

UM, BUT THE PRICE HAS INCREASED $48,395.

SO WE'RE JUST ASKING TO, UM, INCREASE THAT PURCHASE ORDER, APPROVE HOW MUCH FOR $48,395 IMPROVE IT.

IT WENT UP 48.

IT WENT UP.

WE, WE, WE'VE ADJUSTED THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE THE, OF THE WATER SITUATION THERE WE'RE SWITCHING FROM CHIP SEAL TO GOING TO ASPHALT ON THAT ROAD.

THAT'S THE, THE, THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL PRICE INCREASE.

THAT MUCH IN TOTAL, UH, ABOUT 240,000.

UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF MORE QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT PURCHASE ORDER? 2 2 3 0 12 AS PRESENTED.

I MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KATES.

IS THERE A SECOND? NO, SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

OH, THOSE, NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, THANK YOU ZELLE.

UM, DOWN TO THE AUDITOR,

[16. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

DISCUSS CONSIDERED LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS AND CORRECTIONS.

GOOD MORNING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS OR LINE ITEM TRANSFERS? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITORS OR A MOTION TO APPROVE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS AND BUDGET CORRECTIONS IS PRESENTED.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOSTLY THE WAY THAT MOTION OF COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS THERE.

A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.

SIGN FIVE AS SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

I OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

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[17. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]

17, UH, TO THE AUDITOR, DISCUSS, CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AND OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION.

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YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE $3,638,394 AND 24 CENTS.

A PAYROLL OF 1,000,600 $61,353 AND 52 CENTS.

TOTAL PAYOUT 5,299,000 7 47 76.

YOUR MAJOR EXPENDITURES WERE, UH, THE 2020 ROAD BOND OF 1,000,007 EMPLOYEE INSURANCE AND 666,000 AND 2014 ROAD BOND OF 503,000.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITOR.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSE? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

[18. Adjourn Meeting]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

ADJOURN THE MEETING.

COMMISSIONER PHIS MOVES TO ADJOURN.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY OF SAYING AYE.

I OPPOS? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WERE OUTTA HERE.