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WE'RE READY.

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OKAY.

IT'S TIME

[Call to Order]

TO START THIS MORNING.

WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE HERE FOR THE ER'S COURT MEETING THIS BEAUTIFUL MARCH MORNING.

SOPHIE WILL, WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER MOORE AND PLEDGES BY COMMISSIONER HUNTS.

WE WILL STAND, PLEASE, MS. BRIAN, MOST RUSHERS HAVE ANY FOLLOW THE LORD.

JUST THANK YOU FOR HIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.

LORD, HE ASKED YOU TO BE WITH US TODAY AS WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

LORD, LET BE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU PUT IN OUR HEARTS.

LORD, I JUST THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, ASK YOU TO BE WITH OUR LEADERS OF OUR COUNTRY, LORD, AND, UH, JUST, WE JUST GIVE YOU PRAISE FOR BEING OUR GOD.

JESUS NAME.

AMEN.

AMEN.

PLEDGE FLAG TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HE STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE BELIEVE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD.

ONE INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY GUESTS? SIGN UP TO SPEAK, MS. CLERK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO ROUTINE.

ANYONE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE THIS MORNING? NONE.

OKAY.

THEN

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THERE.

ITEM A, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETINGS FROM MARCH THE SEVENTH OF 2023.

DISCUSS CONSIDERED ACCEPTING REVISED COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING FROM FEBRUARY THE 14TH OF 2023.

DISCUSS ACCEPTING STAR TRANSIT RIDERSHIP.

REPORTS DISCUSSED, CONSIDERED APPROVING THE FIBER OPTIC INSTALLATIONS ON HARM ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 1 28, 1 71, 1 27, AND ONE 20 PART OF THE SPECTRUM PROJECT.

ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? NOPE.

I'LL GIVE YOU A MOTION TO APPROVE AT ALL THIS MORNING.

MR. PHILLIPS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

NEED A SECOND? ALL SECOND.

MR. HUNT MADE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT UP

[3. Flower Escamilla; Presentation regarding Library District in Kaufman County,]

ON OUR AGENDA IS NUMBER THREE, FIRE ESCA PRESENTATION REGARDING LIBRARY DISTRICT IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

CERTAINLY.

SO, I'M, I'M HERE REALLY JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION AND WHAT OUR GOALS HAVE BEEN.

UM, WHAT OUR MISSION, OUR MISSION'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TO BRING AN ACCREDITED PUBLIC LIBRARY TO THE FOREIGN AREA.

UM, WE'VE REMAINED THE SAME AND WE, WE HOPE TO SEE THIS VERY SOON.

SO IN DECEMBER OF 2019, UH, WE HAD, WE HELD OUR FIRST UNOFFICIAL MEETING AFTER FINDING OUT THAT THE CITY OF FORNEY WAS GOING TO CLOSE ITS ONLY PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UH, WE FOUND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT, UM, ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND OFFICIALLY BE, BECAME A 5 0 1 IN MARCH OF 2020.

OUR BOARD IS MADE UP OF BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS, UM, HOMESCHOOL PARENTS, UM, MOTHERS BUSINESS, UH, OR BANKERS.

UM, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS, AND THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, ESPECIALLY HAVING AS MANY VOICES ON OUR BOARD AS POSSIBLE.

AND REALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR JOURNEY, WE FOUND THAT SO MANY OF OUR SUPPORTERS LIVED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF LIMITS, THE 13, ALMOST 14 SQUARE MILES THAT FORNEY IS.

UM, SO WE HAD THAT, I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT DONUT SITUATION WHERE THE PEOPLE IN THE DONUT HOLE ARE, ARE PAYING FOR THE AMENITIES THAT FOR THE ENTIRE DONUT.

AND WE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE BOARD MEMBERS BOTH INSIDE OF CITY LIMITS AND OUTSIDE.

UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE HAVE DONE STORY TIMES COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

UM, WE DID A SPEAKING TOUR AND THEN, UM, A PETITION EARLY ON.

WE PUT, WE PUT AROUND THE COMMUNITY LITTLE LIBRARIES, AND WE'VE FORMED A COALITION WITH INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES.

SO REALLY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ELLEN BROOKS WEST.

UM, IT, IN 1985, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE FIRST INITIAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS FORMED BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORNEY AND FORNEY IS D THE, THE LIBRARY WAS A VERY SMALL LITTLE PUBLIC LIBRARY IN DOWNTOWN FORNEY.

AND THEN THEY, THEY MOVED IT TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY WARREN MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, WHICH WAS THE HIGH SCHOOL THEN.

AND THEN FINALLY, UM, MOVED IT IN 2003.

THE, THE, I'M SORRY, IN 2002, THE FORNEY'S NEW HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING OPENED, AND THAT'S WHERE ELLEN BROOKS WEST MEMORIAL LIBRARY WAS UNTIL 2020.

UM, IT'S, IT, IT JUST A SIDE

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NOTE, RIGHT NOW, IT'S OF JUST A VERY, VERY LARGE HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARY.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THERE.

SO THE STORIES WE HEARD, ESPECIALLY IN THE, THE SPEAKING TOUR, IN, IN TALKING TO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WERE THAT THERE GRANDPARENTS DRIVING TO ROCKWALL FOR STORY TIMES.

THERE WERE COLLEGE STUDENTS HAVING TO DRIVE INTO TARELL, WHICH ISN'T TOO BAD OF A DRIVE, BUT WITH TRAFFIC, IT'S ABOUT 27 MINUTES TO THE CLOSEST PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UM, COLLEGE STUDENTS HAVING, NEEDING TO PRINT THINGS, YOU KNOW, UM, FEDEX DOES SOME PRINTING.

THEY'RE IN FORNEY.

BUT, UM, EVEN FROM EXPERIENCE, I COULD TELL YOU THEY'RE AT LEAST 10 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT A PUBLIC LIBRARY, UH, CHARGES.

UM, HOMESCHOOL FAMILIES HAVE NOWHERE TO MEET.

THEY'RE MEETING AT, UM, STARBUCKS OR LATHAMS, WHICH ISN'T A, A HUGE DEAL.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS CLOSING.

ELLEN BROOKS LOSS GAVE, GAVE THE HOMESCHOOL FAMILIES, FAMILIES, UM, REALLY KNOW WHERE TO GO.

AND THEN A LACK OF STUDY AND MEETING SPACE.

UM, I, AS A BUSINESS MANAGER FIVE YEARS AGO, HAD NOWHERE TO HAVE MY OUTSIDE SECOND INTERVIEW.

SO I, I DID MY, MY RECRUITMENT AND INTERVIEW PROCESS, ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH YOU WANNA HAVE AT LEAST ONE INTERVIEW OUTSIDE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

AND I HAD NOWHERE TO GO.

SO I WAS CONSTANTLY GOING TO STARBUCKS AND HEARING THE, THE, THE COFF MACHINES, UM, AND THEN SENIOR CITIZENS HAVING TO DRIVE AN HOUR TO ATTEND A TECHNOLOGY CLASS, YOU KNOW, TO AND FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY.

UM, AND THEN OTHER LOCAL LIBRARIES.

I MET WITH, UM, MS. ANDERSON OVER AT TERRELL, UM, YAMA HOLLAND.

UM, BUT OTHER LOCAL LIBRARIES WERE SEEN AN INFLUX OF, OF PATRONS, UM, MESQUITE, ROCKWALL.

THEY ALL HAD AN INCREASE IN PATRONS.

AND THAT DOES, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IN A SECOND, THAT DOES AFFECT THE SERVICING POPULATION.

UM, AND IT WILL, UM, AFFECT A, THE ACCREDITATION TOO.

SO THE MODERN PUBLIC LIBRARY IS REALLY, REALLY WHY I'M HERE, IS WHY I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE MODERN LIBRARY.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ABOUT, WELL, DO, DO LIBRARIES EVEN, ARE THEY EVEN A THING OF THE FUTURE? THE, MAYBE THERE ARE MORE OF THE PAST, BUT THE MODERN LIBRARIES HAS, IT'S REALLY ADAPTED TO, UM, THE MODERN TECHNOLOGY.

SO THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST STORING BOOKS NOW.

IT'S, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CREATION AND OVERALL EDUCATION.

SO, UM, THE PUBLIC LIBRARIES THAT WE HAVE VISITED AS AN ORGANIZATION, UM, ARE VERY, THEY'RE VERY OPEN.

THERE'S A SENSE OF LIFE IN THEM.

IT'S NO LONGER TAN CARPETS, TAN WALLS, YOU KNOW, DIM LIGHTING.

IT IS VERY LIVELY.

IT'S LOUD.

IT'S NO LONGER A PLACE TO BE QUIET.

MODERN LIBRARIES ARE JUST AN INSTITUTION FOR EDUCATION.

NOW, THE SERVICES OFFERED NOW COMPARED TO, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, IT WAS JUST MAYBE A STORY TIME HERE AND THERE, BUT, UM, THE, THE OF THE SERVICES REALLY NOW ARE, I MEAN, GOING FROM CRAFTING LIKE RECREATIONAL SERVICES TO ADULT, UM, EDUCATION, HOW TO PAY YOUR TAXES, YOU KNOW, THOSE VERY IMPORTANT, UM, SKILLS THAT WE DON'T REALLY LEARN IN SCHOOL.

AND THEN A SPACE, AGAIN, WITH LIFE OPEN FLOOR PLANS AND LOTS OF NATURAL LIGHT AND BRIGHT LIGHTS.

UM, SO THAT'S THE MODERN LIBRARY.

AND, AND REALLY, I WANT, I WANT YOU TO KIND OF VISUALIZE THIS BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR MESSAGE HERE.

SO THE TRENDS NOW ARE, I'M GONNA, UH, TALK MAINLY TWO POINTS HERE.

UM, WELL, I GUESS THE THREE, BUT, UM, LIBRARY VISITS, THEY, THEY, THE LIBRARY VISITS, THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION HAS SEEN A TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN LIBRARY VISITS FROM PRE COVID.

SO OBVIOUSLY, PUBLIC LIBRARIES HAD TO CLOSE DURING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME DURING COVID, BUT PRE COVID LIBRARY VISITS WERE STEADILY STAYING PRETTY CONSISTENT.

BUT NOW, AFTER COVID, THEY'VE SEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN VISITS.

AND IT'S A MIX OF PEOPLE LEARNING AND SEEING THE OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT LIBRARIES CAN BRING, BUT ALSO BECAUSE, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION HERE.

IT'S UNBIASED ACCESS TO TRUTH.

AND, UM, THE PRESENCE OF AN ACTIVE LIBRARY HAS SHOWN TO DECREASE CRIME RATES IN UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.

SO, UM, IT IS A COMMON REFRAIN THAT A LACK OF ACCESS TO EDUCATION WAS, IS ONE OF THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO INCARCERATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AND KIND OF A SOFT SPOT FOR ME AS WELL.

UM, BECAUSE COVID DID, AND I WAS SEEING IT ACROSS THE NEWS.

UM, COVID DID BRING ON A, A NEW SET OF ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO INCARCERATION AND CRIME RATES.

UM, WHAT IS NOT COMMONLY DISCUSSED IN THE DIRECT IMPACT THAT READING LITERACY SKILLS SPECIFICALLY HAVE

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ON LEVELS OF INCARCERATION AND SPECIFICALLY HAVE DECREASED LEVELS OF INCARCERATION IN CRIME RATES.

IT'S CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONNECTION.

UM, CHILDREN OF PARENTS WITH LIMITED LITERACY SKILLS ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO GRADUATE, UM, HIGH, ARE FAR LESS LIKELY TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL AND END UP IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

THAT'S JUST A FACT.

UM, AND PUBLIC, PUBLIC AND SCHOOL LIBRARIES HAVE LONG SERVED AS COMMUNITY ANCHORS AND THE CENTERS FOR LITERACY AND EDUCATION.

UM, SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING I, I FELT DEAR TO MY HEART, ESPECIALLY SPEAKING TO THE FORNEY, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR ASSOCIATION.

UM, BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

UM, ANDY PORTER, HE'S A PROFESSOR AT, UM, THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IN IRVINE.

HE PUBLISHED A 53 PAGE PAPER IN 2014 TITLED LIBRARY'S FIGHTING CRIME, THE SPILLOVER EFFECT OF PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.

AND I HAVE IT HERE IF YOU WANNA READ IT, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT, IT'S PRETTY, UM, IN DEPTH.

BUT REALLY WHAT HE WAS GOING INTO IN THE LOS, IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY WAS THAT, UM, CUTTING PUBLIC LIBRARY HOURS WAS NEG NEGATIVELY IMPACTING CRIME RATES.

SO THERE WAS A, A CORRELATION BETWEEN PUBLIC LIBRARY AND CRIME RATES.

UM, AND THEN THE STATE TRENDS WILL, I'LL, I'LL GET OFF THAT TOPIC NOW AND GO INTO THE STATE TRENDS AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS.

SO, UM, IN 2017, THE TEXAS STATE AND LIBRARY ARCHIVES COMMISSION A DID A, UH, A STUDY SHOWING THAT, UM, 960 MILLION IN, UM, THAT PUBLIC LIBRARIES HAD PROVIDED 967 MILLION IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND $11,000 JOBS.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD COMFORTABLY AND CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT AT LEAST 80% OF TEXAS PUBLIC LIBRARIES HAVE AT LEAST A CAREER CORNER OR SOME KIND OF, UM, EMPLOYMENT ASSISTANCE.

SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT, IT'S $4 AND 64 CENTS OF, UM, RETURN OF INVESTMENT THERE.

SO WE DID A COMPARABLE ANALYSIS WITH CITIES VERY MUCH LIKE THE CITY OF FORNEY AND THE SPACE THAT 75,026 AS A ZIP CODE, UM, HOLDS.

AND THE CLOSEST WE CAME WAS WILEY.

THEIR POPULATION IS ABOUT 59,500, WHERE 75 26 IS RIGHT AROUND 60,000.

UM, THEIR ANNUAL BUDGETS BUDGET IS A HUNDRED, JUST OVER 148 MILLION.

UM, BUT THEIR PUBLIC LIBRARY BUDGET IS 2.3 MILLION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT.

IT'S ROUGHLY ONE AND A HALF PERCENT.

AND, UM, WHEN WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDS, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE NUMBER ONE THAT, THAT PEOPLE THAT I, I CALL 'EM THE NAYSAYERS, THEY'RE NOT REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF LIBRARY.

THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, LIBRARIES ARE FINE, BUT IS IT REALLY WORTH THE INVESTMENT? UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY MOTIVATED MUNICIPALITIES SPENDING BETWEEN HALF A PERCENT TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.

SOME CITIES SPEND TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET ON A PUBLIC LIBRARY.

AND I'LL BE HONEST, I'M THE FIRST ONE TO BE LIKE, WHOA, THAT'S, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

BUT THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.

THERE'S A REASON WHY THESE, THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS SEE THE IMPORTANCE AND HOW CRITICAL A PUBLIC LIBRARY IS TO A COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY COMMUNITY.

AND NEXT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DREADED CITY BOND.

SO, AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, THE UM, THE CITY BOND OF THE FORNEY CITY OF FORNEY BOND IN, IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.

UM, IT FAILED MOST, I I SAY IT FAILED, BUT FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE PROPOSITIONS FAILED.

THE ONE WE, WE, AS AN ORGANIZATION WERE FOCUSING ON WAS OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT HAD THE MULTIPURPOSE FACILITY.

IT WAS LIBRARY SENIOR CENTER, AND A COMMUNITY CENTER.

I HAVE HERE KIND OF THE, THE DETAILS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE CUZ IT'S FINE PRINT.

BUT IT WAS A 37,500 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE, UM, THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, A SENIOR CENTER TO GET THE SENIORS OUT OF CITY HALL.

UM, AND THEN SOME KIND OF LIKE A SMALL COMMUNITY EVENT CENTER TO, TO HOLD MEETINGS AND CONFERENCES.

UH, THE BILL WAS GONNA BE JUST OVER 20 MILLION.

UM, AND THEN THERE WAS, FOR THIS PROPOSITION ALONE, THERE WAS AN EXPECTED INCREASE IN, UH, PROPERTY TAXES OF ABOUT FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT, OR FOUR AND A HALF CENTS.

I'M SORRY.

WE WERE SHORT, SHORT 522 VOTES.

WE HAD RECORD BREAKING VOTING, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN, IN NOVEMBER OF 22.

UM, BUT WE WERE SHORT 522 VOTES AS AN ORGANIZATION WHEN WE CAME BACK TO THIS, IT, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL FOR US TO REALLY LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.

WHY, OF COURSE, THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASKED.

WHY DO WE THINK THAT IT FAILED? AND IT ALWAYS CAME BACK TO THE FIRST THING WE HEARD AS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS PEOPLE DON'T WANNA PAY.

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THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR FACILITIES, AMENITIES THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA USE.

THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THE WHY, I THINK, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR, OUR VOTING POPULATION, THE MAJORITY OF OUR VOTERS ARE THINKING, I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA USE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE REALLY CAME UP WITH THE VISION, UM, THE VISION OF THE PHYSICAL BUILDING, BUT ALSO THE INTERNAL WORKS OF OUR LIBRARY, OUR FUTURE LIBRARY.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

WE NEVER INTENDED ANY KIND OF GOVERNMENT TO JUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT A LIBRARY.

WE NEED A LIBRARY.

YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND IT.

WE ARE TRYING TO WORK, AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR LOCAL FORNEY ELECTED OFFICIALS TO FIND SOLUTIONS.

UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCREDITATION IS, UM, IS OUR TOP PRIORITY AS WELL.

AND THEN I, I'M GONNA TOUCH ON THIS A LITTLE BIT NOW, BUT HAVING A DISTRICT LIBRARY, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE, THE WAY IT'S FUNDED AND, AND THE SERVICING POPULATION.

SO THE ACCREDITATION, THE, THERE'S CRITERIA SET FORTH BY THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE SERVICING POPULATION.

THERE'S LIKE EXPENDITURE MINIMUMS, UH, STAFF MINIMUMS. BUT WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK IS THE UPDATED ITEMS PUBLISHED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THIS IS GOING TO ENSURE QUALITY CONTROL.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A LIBRARY THAT HAS 50 YEAR OLD BOOKS AND NO ONE REALLY GETS INVOLVED AND ACTIVE WITH ACCREDITATION'S, GOING TO ENSURE THAT THIS STAYS CURRENT AND UP TO DATE WITH, WITH GOOD MATERIAL.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE MODEL, THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL LIBRARY, UH, WE, WE, WE AS AN ORGANIZATION DID RESEARCH A FEW OPTIONS.

THE COUNTY LIBRARY, A BRANCH OF A COUNTY LIBRARY, A COUNTY CITY LIBRARY, WHICH HAS BOTH.

AND THEN THE, OF COURSE, THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, UM, DISTRICT LIBRARY.

THE COUNTY LIBRARY.

IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE COUNTY AND HAVE ONE, ONE LIBRARY IN FORNEY, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME OUTLOOK THAT THE CITY OF FORNEY WOULD LIKE.

PEOPLE IN MAYBANK MAY SAY, WAIT, WAIT, WHY? WHY AM I SEEING AN INCREASE OF 1% IN MY TAXES WHEN THE CLO THIS LIBRARY THAT I'M HELPING BUILD IS 45 MINUTES AWAY? SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE ALL OF THAT IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE AGAIN, WE MAY NOT FEEL THAT WAY.

WE, WE MAY BE OKAY WITH SPENDING THIS MONEY OR, OR PAYING THESE TAXES, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE VOICES WE WERE HEARING WERE PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY JUST NOT OKAY WITH THAT.

SO THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, UM, LIBRARY IS A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO SET BOUNDARIES AND CALL AN ELECTION FOR THOSE BOUNDARIES.

THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW, UM, CODES IN OUR TEXAS, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO SET BOUNDARIES FOR SOMETHING.

AND THAT'S FOR A DISTRICT LIBRARY.

UM, FOR THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, THE MULTI COMES IN BECAUSE THERE'S AT LEAST TWO GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

THE CITY OF FORNEY, THE THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL ARE ALL FOR PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND ARE WANTING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T PASS WITHIN THE CITY.

HOW CAN THEY BRING IN A LIBRARY IN THE FORNEY AREA? SO THESE, THE, THE MULTI JURISDICTIONAL WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION HERE IN OUR SITUATION.

AGAIN, THE COALITION WE INVOLVED ARE INDIVIDUALS, BUSINESSES, AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALL REALLY, UM, THEY'RE ENTHUSIASTIC AND MOTIVATED WHEN THEY HEAR THESE, THIS OPTION OF THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL.

SO REALLY AT THIS POINT, UM, THE ASKS, THE BUS, THE BIG ASKS ARE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE A COUNTY ASSIGNED LIAISON, SOMEONE THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THAT, UM, CAN, CAN KIND OF HELP US AND OUR ATTORNEYS, CUZ WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO GET SOME ATTORNEYS TO REALLY GET ALL OF THE DETAILS NAILED OUT, UM, NAILED DOWN.

BUT SOMEONE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, THAT CAN GET US PREPARED FOR THAT, WHETHER WE DECIDE IN NOVEMBER OR MAY, WHICHEVER YOU ALL DECIDE.

UM, AND THEN COUNTYWIDE WORKSHOPS INVOLVING ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS.

SO WE'RE TALKING LIBRARY DIRECTORS, UM, AS MANY COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS AS POSSIBLE.

BUT THE WORKSHOPS ARE GONNA BE, AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR A WEEKLY OR A MONTHLY OR ANYTHING, MAYBE A QUARTERLY WORKSHOP TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE NEED AS NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY THE 75 1 26, BUT MAYBE POTENTIALLY OUTWARD.

UM, BUT THOSE WORKSHOPS.

AND THEN REALLY THE NEXT STEPS FOR US IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE DOING OUR GRANT RESEARCH.

IT'S HARD TO, TO GET GRANTS FOR A LIBRARY THAT'S NON-EXISTENT .

SO, UM, WE HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH AND WE WE'RE, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO GET, UM, UH, DONORS, BENEFACTORS THAT CAN,

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CAN REALLY HELP, UM, PUT THIS TOGETHER.

UM, WE'LL DO, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO FUNDRAISING AND THEN, UM, CONTINUE TO GROW AND SHOW BROAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND THE PETITION.

AND, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I GOT A PHONE CALL THIS MORNING ON THE WAY HERE, UM, FROM, UM, RUSSELL OVER AT THE COMPTROLLER.

AND RUSSELL AND I HAVE TALKED, I I WOULD I'M, I'M SURE HE'S TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT ME, BUT, UM, WE, WE TALK VERY REGULARLY AND HE DID CONFIRM THAT A PETITION IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, NOW FOR A DISTRICT LIBRARY IT WOULD BE, BUT FOR A MULTI JURISDICTIONAL IT WOULD NOT.

AND THEN OUR HOPES ARE THAT THIS COULD BE ON THE NOVEMBER OR MAY OF NEXT YEAR, UM, BALLOT.

THANK YOU.

FLOUR.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, LIBRARIES WERE, BE A PART OF MY LIFE WHEN I WAS A KID, BUT I GUESS MY FIRST THING THAT KIND OF POPS INTO MY MIND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING IS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND LIBRARY STUFF, BUT I KNOW THEY TALK ABOUT, THEY TAKE NUMBERS IN A SERVICE AREA AND THE IMPACTS, I GUESS REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCREDITATION, RIGHT? SO HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED INTO WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE EXISTING LIBRARIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO TAKE? IF WE DID THAT? WOULD IT IMPACT TERRELL? WOULD IT IMPACT ON MCC KAUFMAN, THE COUNTY, OUR COUNTY LIBRARY? OH, YES.

POSITIVELY NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE? POSITIVE.

SO RIGHT NOW, UM, AND I, AND I CAN CONFIRM WITH, UM, MS. ANDERSON, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO HER A FEW YEARS AGO, SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE SEEING A HUGE INCREASE IN PATRONS FROM 40.

SO THE ACCREDITATION, THE WAY IT WORKS IS IF YOUR SERVICING POPULATION IS 10,000 TO 25,000, THEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER CAPITA THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND.

AND, UM, IF ONCE YOU GO OVER THAT 50,000 THRESHOLD, THEN THAT PER CAPITA DOLLAR AMOUNT INCREASES BY CENTS, YOU KNOW, 60 CENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THERE IS, IT WOULD POSITIVELY IMPACT THEM BECAUSE THEY, THEIR SERVICING POPULATION WILL GO BACK TO JUST TARELL.

JUST KAUFMAN, AS OPPOSED TO NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO ABSORB THE REST OF THE POPULATION.

SO THEIR ACCREDITATION CRITERIA WOULD LOWER AND IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO TO, TO GET THE ACCREDITATION.

SO I GUESS, AND, AND MAYBE I'M, I'M, I'M READING THIS WRONG, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S SERVICE AREA WOULD BE JUST TO SEE LIMITS OF TARIFF? WELL, NO, IT'S NEVER BEEN JUST THE CITY LIMIT OF CARROLL.

NO.

CAUSE AT THE LIBRARY, RIGHT, , THE LIBRARY IS A PUBLIC DEAL, RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THEY CHECK IDS AND RESONATE WHERE YOU LIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND IT'S FREE TO EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT EITHER.

I MEAN, CAUSE EVERYBODY, EVERY LIBRARY BRINGS SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.

YES.

A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO YES.

AND EVERY LIBRARY I'VE NOTICED HAS A VERY SPECIFIC PERSONALITY.

YES.

AND, UM, AND TERRELL IS, THEIR SERVICING POPULATION IS, I THINK SHE'S AT THAT POINT A FEW YEARS AGO, SAID, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 70% LIVES OUTSIDE OF THEIR CITY LIMITS, OUTSIDE OF THE TARELL CITY LIMITS.

AND SO, UM, THEY ALSO DO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT BUY GROCERIES AND RIGHT, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT, IT'S A BIGGER WORLD THAN JUST TO SEE LIMITS.

RIGHT.

AND THE LIBRARY'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ME LIVING IN THE COUNTY WITH A TERRELL ADDRESS.

AND I DO MY BUSINESS IN TERRELL CAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST CITY.

SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF DIFFERENTIATIONS OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT.

AND, AND THAT'S THE THING IS THAT, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE, THE ACCREDITATION STANDARDS WOULD LESSEN, THE, THE BURDEN WOULD DEFINITELY LESSEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SERVICE, YOU KNOW, 80,000 PEOPLE ANYMORE.

THEY JUST GO TO THEIR ORIGINAL SERVICING POPULATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE SAYING THAT, BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEIR, THEIR CRITERIA WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE MAYBE TERRELL HAS GROWN, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR SERVICING POPULATION HAS GROWN TO OVER 50,000.

SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT, THEY WERE SEEING AN INCREASE AND SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I, THE, UH, OUR ACCREDITATION FOR OUR LIBRARY WOULDN'T CHANGE.

CAUSE WE'RE A COUNTY LIBRARY.

WE'RE NOT A CITY KAUFMAN'S NOT A CITY LIBRARY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S 15 MILES FROM MY OFFICE TO THIS ONE OVER HERE.

UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SERVICES AND IT'S FREE TO EVERYBODY.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE NUMBERS OR WHATEVER THEY TELL, DECIDE AND DO WHATEVER YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY PETITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, MULTI, I TALKED TO RUSSELL AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, CAN I ADDRESS THAT? IF THAT'S OKAY? UM, SO BASICALLY, MS.

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ESCAMILLA, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MULTI-DISTRICT LIBRARY WHERE THE COUNTY IS THE LEAD, LEAD GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

OKAY.

AND SO WHAT I THINK SOME OF US WERE THINKING ABOUT IS THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO CREATE A LIBRARY DISTRICT.

SO, UM, AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

THAT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

SO UNDER A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL DISTRICT, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO BE THE LEAD GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, THEN THAT FALLS ON THE COUNTY TO DO THE PETITION TO PROVIDE UP TO 50% OR TO PROVIDE 50% OF THE ASSETS FOR THE LIBRARY.

SO THERE'S A, A WHOLE, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL, UM, LEGAL COMMITMENTS UNDER CHAPTER 3 36 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

SO MY SUGGESTION ON, ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT I, I THINK THAT, UM, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF CIVIL DAS COULD PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO THE COURT REGARDING THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE COUNTY.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY LIBRARY.

SO, UM, JUST FROM, FROM THIS, UM, PRESENTATION, WHICH WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, OUR OFFICE COULD PROVIDE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

OKAY.

THAT SOUNDS PLAUSIBLE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NUMBER

[4. Nathan Collins; Discuss/Consider approving the enrollment of county employees in TAC's free cybersecurity course.]

FOUR, MR. NATHAN COLLINS, DISCUSS CAUSE THEY'RE APPROVING THE ENROLLMENT AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES TAX FREE CYBERSPACE COURSE.

HELLO EVERYONE.

MORNING.

THIS IS OUR MANDATED COURSE THAT WE GOTTA TAKE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

I'M REQUIRED TO COME UP HERE AND GET IT APPROVED BY Y'ALL, BUT I DID WANNA, UM, JUST REITERATE WHO THIS AFFECTS.

AND IT'S ON, UH, IT'S ON THIS FORM THAT Y'ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN A, A FUZZY, UM, LINE IN THE PAST.

SO I JUST WANTED TO READ WHAT IT SAYS ON HERE.

SO IT SAYS, UM, ANY COUNTY EMPLOYEES, ELECTION OFFICIALS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO A LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMPUTER SYSTEM OR DATABASE AND USE A COMPUTER TO PERFORM AT LEAST 25% OF THEIR DUTIES.

SO I THINK IN THE PAST THEY WERE, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKED ME ABOUT THE ROAD BRIDGE FOLKS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE THEM MOST LIKELY AS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT ON THE COMPUTER THE WHOLE TIME THEY'RE ON THE ROAD.

YEAH.

INVOLVED IN THIS SUPERVISOR IS YES.

WITH THE LINE GUYS.

SO, AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE A, UH, THE SHERIFF HAS A LOT OF EMPLOYEES TOO THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T USE A COMPUTER 25% OF THE TIME, BUT THAT'S JUST, I'LL BE KIND OF THE, UH, THE MIDDLEMAN, UM, TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THIS DONE.

AND IF SOMEBODY, IF I SEND AN EMAIL TO THEM AND THEY DON'T REALLY USE A COMPUTER MORE THAN 25%, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TAKE 'EM OFF THE LIST, BUT, OKAY.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

MOTION.

MOTION.

COMMISSIONER, I MAKE A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND COMMISSION.

PHILLIPS, FIND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

OCEAN CARES.

THANK YOU, NATHAN.

THANK YOU.

BET.

THANK YOU NATHAN.

MS.

[5. Teressa Floyd; Discuss/Consider approving the assessment collection contracts between Kaufman County and Fresh Water Supply District #1, Fresh Water Supply District #7A, Fresh Water Supply District #4A, Fresh Water Supply District #4B, Fresh Water Supply District #6, Fresh Water Supply District fflB, Municipal District U2, Municipal District #3, Municipal District #4, Municipal District #12, Mabank ISD, Waldon Pond, City of Kemp, City of Terrell, and Crandall ISD.]

FLOYD, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE ASSESSMENT COLLECTION CONTRACTS BETWEEN KAUFFMAN COUNTY FRESHWATER DISTRICT ONE, SEVEN A, FOUR A, FOUR B, SIX B NUMBER TWO, MUNICIPAL DISTRICT THREE, MUNICIPAL DISTRICT FOUR, MUNICIPAL DISTRICT 12 MAYBANK IS D WALDEN POND.

WHO'S WALDEN POND? WALDEN PONDS, US MUD DISTRICT OFF 1641.

OKAY.

OR 5 48.

CITY OF KEMP.

40.

CITY OF TERRELL.

AND KREEL.

I S D? YES MA'AM.

YEP.

SO, UH, IF YOU'D BE AGREE TO DO THE ASSESSMENT COLLECTION CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND ALL THESE DISTRICTS OR JURISDICTIONS, THEN YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ENTER INTO THOSE NEW CONTRACTS.

JUST THE SAME, SAME ONE WE APPROVED? YEAH.

OKAY.

A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I THINK, RIGHT? ALL.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? SECOND, MR. DEPARTMENT SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SECOND.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

MOTION.

CARRIE.

THANK YOU, TERESA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TERESA.

NUMBER SIX.

MIKE HUNT,

[6. Mike Hunt; Discuss/Consider accepting donation of road materials from James Mabrey for County Road 261 and approving the donation agreement and liability waiver.]

COMMISSION COMMISSIONER, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPT A DONATION OF ROAD MATERIALS FROM JAMES MABRY FOR KENNYWOOD COUNTY ROAD 2 61 AND APPROVING THE DONATION AGREEMENT AND LIABILITY WAIVER.

YES, SIR.

UH, YES.

UH, MR CONTACTED ME AND SAID HE WAS WILLING TO BUY A LAW TO DO A

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LITTLE SHORT STATE 61, SO TO REPAIR IT.

AND, UH, SO WE CAN PUT ALL THE PAPERWORK COURT TO GET IT APPROVED.

THAT BE ACCEPTED AS DONATION.

OKAY.

NEED A MOTION IN I'LL, A MOTION TO ACCEPTED COMMISSION MAKES A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MADE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

YES, MA'AM.

I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE D DONATION WILL BE.

UH, 1,668.

16.

1600.

1600.

I'LL, UH, I'LL GET THIS PAPERWORK TO YOU.

GOT ALL, ALL THE, UH, AMOUNTS IN IT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MOTION.

CARRIE.

THE SMARTEST CANDY DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL, DID IT? JIMMY? MR. JACK PASS THE KAREN CUT ON THE MARKET PASS DOWN MONEY BANK.

YEAH.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

WE'RE

[7. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider purchasing a John Deere tractor and equipment for Pet 1. Road & Bridge from United Ag & Turf utilizing Sourcewell Contract 070821-AG1.]

GOING TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER PURCHASING A JOHN DEERE TRACTOR AND EQUIPMENT FOR PRECINCT ONE ROAD AND BRIDGE FROM UNITED AG AND TURF.

UH, UTILIZING A SOURCE.

WELL, CONTRACT NUMBER OH 7 0 8 21 DASH AG ONE.

YES, SIR.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

LOOKS LIKE, UH, PRECINCT ONE NEEDS A TRACTOR AND SOME EQUIPMENT, AND THAT IS ON THE, UH, SOURCE.

WELL CONTRACT MEETS ALL THE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS.

UH, TOTAL PRICE IS $173,000.

AND I WILL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

WE NEED, WE NEED, YOU NEED YOU GONNA MAKE THE MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE.

OKAY.

NEED A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, I'LL SECOND IT.

MR. VES MAKE, UH, DOES A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? IS THIS LIKE 110 HORSEPOWER? WHAT IS THIS? IT'S THIS, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED.

OKAY.

A HUNDRED SOMETHING.

ALL THE FAVORS SAY, AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU JACK.

MS.

[8. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

AUDITOR, CONSIDER LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS AND CORRECTIONS.

GOOD MORNING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THE 173,000 FOR THE EQUIPMENT IS INCLUDED IN THAT.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT NEED A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION FAVOR.

NOW MR. BARBER MAKES A MOTION COMMISSION.

MOORE SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MR. AUDITOR AGAIN,

[9. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]

DISCUSS, CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY THE YOU.

ALL RIGHTY.

YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE MILLION $512,083 AND 31 CENTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? I HAD HAD THOSE SENT TO YOU FOR REVIEW.

822,000 OF THAT WAS YOUR 2020.

2020 ROAD BOND.

UH, FINES AND FEES FROM THE JP WERE 116 AND WORKER'S COMPENSATION WAS 150.

AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS SALINA'S, VARIOUS ACCOUNTS FOR EXPENDITURES.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS MR. KAREN? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHELPS MAKES A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? SECOND.

MR. BARR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NUMBER

[10. Workshop - Freese and Nichols; Updates on the Flood Infrastructure Fund Grant as required by the Texas Water Development Board.]

10, TIME FOR WORKSHOP.

BE FREEZA NICKELS UPDATES ON FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND GRANT IS REQUIRED BY TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

MS. MONIQUE, GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, GARRETT USUALLY WOULD PRESENT THIS, BUT HE FELL ILL YESTERDAY AND HE SOUNDS TERRIBLE, SO WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE HIM COME IN HERE AND CONTAMINATE US.

THANK YOU, .

THANK YOU .

SO, UM, FRIESEN NICHOLS, UM, IF YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WENT OUT FOR A FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND WE GOT ONE, OR AT LEAST THE STUDY.

GOOD.

GOOD.

AND SO FRIESEN NICHOLS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH GARRETT AND I, UH, ON THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

EACH OF YOU, UM, HAD AREAS OF CONCERN THAT, UM, THEY WENT OVER AND, AND GOT THAT DATA FROM YOU.

AND THEN NOW THEY'VE COME UP WITH THEIR SORT OF, UH, SOLUTIONS, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THAT AND PRESENTED IT TO THE WATER BOARD.

THIS IS A REQUIREMENT OF OUR GRANT IS TO DO TWO OF THESE.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.

OKAY.

SO, UM, FRIESEN NICHOLS IS HERE.

UM, DAVID AND GEORGE, IF YOU'LL COME UP, THEY CAN, UM, SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND, AND WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH FOR SOME OF THE PROBLEM AREAS IN THE COUNTY.

OKAY.

THEY BROUGHT THEIR POCKETBOOKS WITH THEM TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.

.

I'M SURE THEY DID.

ALRIGHT, .

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GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS DAVID RIVERA.

I'M WITH FRIA NICHOLS.

LIKE MONIQUE SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR A WHILE NOW ON THIS PROJECT AND TODAY IS OUR, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AS OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, IT'S A REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THIS GRANT TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

SO WE HAVE A SECOND TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT.

AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY ESSENTIALLY GIVE YOU A A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.

UH, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PROGRESS, PROGRESS TO THIS POINT, SO WE HAVE A LOT TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY.

UM, AND THE MAIN FOCUS WILL BE ON THE SIX PROJECT SITES THAT WE WENT INTO MORE DETAILS AND, AND HAVE PROJECTS GENERATED FOR THOSE SITES.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS THE, UM, AGENCY THAT IS IN CHARGE OF MANAGING THE FUNDS AND WAS THE ONE THAT, UM, WE ARE IN CONTRACT, OR YOU GUYS ARE IN CONTRACT FOR THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S A PROJECT NUMBER 428 IN THEIR SYSTEM.

AND THIS AGENDA IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FOLLOW TODAY.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE VISION AND GOALS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WORKED TOGETHER ALMOST A YEAR OR MORE THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN WE STARTED.

AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND, THAT'S THE SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.

THEN A VERY BRIEF PROJECT SCOPE, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE OVERALL.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A SESSION WHERE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW THIS PROJECT CONNECTS TO THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

AND THAT'S A VERY CRITICAL ASPECT OF THIS PRESENTATION, THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS IS CONNECTED TO THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

CAUSE THAT'S THE FUTURE FUNDING MECHANISM THAT IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO MOVE ON WITH THESE PROJECTS.

THEN I'M GONNA PASS IT TO GEORGE.

HE'S GONNA BE GIVING YOU THE DETAILS OF THE SIX SITES THAT WERE SELECTED AND THAT WE HAVE GONE INTO DETAILED, UM, ANALYSIS.

AND WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS ALREADY, CONCEPTS ALREADY DEVELOPED AND COST ESTIMATES FOR THOSE.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CLOSE WITH SOME Q AND A AT THE END.

SO WE, WE STARTED THIS BECAUSE WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A BIG NEED IN THE COUNTY.

UM, THERE'S RAPID POPULATION GROWTH THAT'S RAPID DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE COUNTY, AND THERE'S WIDESPREAD FLOODING RISKS.

UM, WE HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF ROAD CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE FLOOD HAZARDS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.

THERE'S OF COURSE, ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALL AROUND THE COUNTY.

SO THERE WAS THAT A NEED FOR THAT COUNTYWIDE PROJECT IDENTIFICATION EFFORT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT IS DOING IT AS A COUNTYWIDE STUDY.

AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEEDS ALWAYS EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF THE PROGRAMS, RIGHT? EVERY CITY, EVERY COUNTY HAS A LOT MORE NEEDS THAN THE BUDGETS AVAILABLE TO COVER CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S A NEED FOR SUSTAINED FUNDING MECHANISMS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, GET THESE FLOOD RISK PROJECTS GOING IN A MORE SUSTAINED MANNER.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE STATE FLOOD PLAN COMES TO PLAY.

SO, AT THE VERY BEGINNING, WE, WE WERE HERE TOGETHER AND WE PUT TOGETHER THIS VISION AND GOAL STATEMENTS.

AND ESSENTIALLY THE VISION OF THIS PROJECT IS TO LEVERAGE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AT A COUNTY SCALE WITH FUNDING SUPPORT FROM THE STATE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WAS THE VISION.

AND THEN THE, THE GOALS, WE HAVE FOUR SPECIFIC GOALS, WHICH BY NOW WE CAN SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN PRACTICALLY ALL, UM, COMPLETED, UM, IDENTIFYING AREAS OF GREATEST FLOOD RISK.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'VE PERFORMED DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE MOST CRITICAL AREAS, ALTHOUGH WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN SIX.

WE STARTED WITH THOSE SIX, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED MITIGATION PROJECTS FOR THOSE, UM, AREAS.

UM, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED THOSE AREAS THAT NEED FURTHER STUDY.

SO THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE EFFORT THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS KIND OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ASPECT, HOW DO WE POSITION THE COUNTY FOR STATE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? SO AS, AS I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT'S WORKING AND HOW THAT'S COMING TO FRUIT.

SO TAKING A, UM, LITTLE BIT OF A, OF THE STORY ABOUT HOW THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND WAS CREATED, UM, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED THIS FUND BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2019.

UM, THAT WAS THE, BASICALLY A RESPONSE OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, SERIES OF, UH, FLOODING EVENTS, A LOT OF THE HURRICANES, A LOT OF THE DAMAGES THAT OCCURRED ACROSS THE STATE.

UM, IT WAS RECOGNIZED THAT THERE'S, THERE WAS A NEED FOR A FUNDING MECHANISM TO START PUTTING TOGETHER SOME ACTUAL DRAINAGE PROJECTS TO HELP MITIGATE AND REDUCE FLOODING RISKS.

SO THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND WAS CREATED TO ASSIST COMMUNITIES

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IN FINANCING, DRAINAGE, FLOOD MITIGATION, AND FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS.

THE LEGISLATURE TRANSFERRED 793 MILLION FROM THE ECONOMIC STABILIZATION FUND TO THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND.

THAT WAS A ONE TIME ALLOCATION, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR A SECOND ALLOCATION TO KEEP FUNDING PROJECTS.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THOSE NINE, UH, 793 MILLION HAVEN'T BEEN USED COMPLETELY YET.

UM, THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SITE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE 135 PROJECTS, AND THERE'S ONLY 471 MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED OUT OF THOSE 7 93.

SO THERE'S STILL SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE THERE, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE FLOOD PLAN AND WE'RE GETTING PROJECTS FROM THE ENTIRE STATE, THE NEED FOR PROJECTS WILL EXCEED THAT NUMBER DRAMATICALLY, RIGHT? SO THE TEST LEGISLATURE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND ASSIGN ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND.

AND THAT, OF COURSE, IS A BIG QUESTION IN EVERYBODY'S MIND.

HOW MUCH WILL THEY ALLOCATE? NOW, IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR STUDY, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION ON YOUR BEHALF, UM, BACK IN 2021, UM, THERE WAS A PROCESS WHERE WE SUBMITTED AN ABRA APPLICATION, LIKE A QUICK APPLICATION THAT WAS SELECTED, AND THEN WE SUBMITTED A FINAL FULL APPLICATION.

THAT APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED BY THE BOARD TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND SCORED BASICALLY, IT, IT RANKED 28 OUT OF THE 285 PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

SO THIS STUDY RANKED FAIRLY HIGH, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE TOP 10% OF THE SUBMITTALS.

UM, IT RANKED NUMBER 28, THEN WHAT WAS THE RESULT OUT OF THAT? WELL, THE STUDY PROJECT, THE STUDY COSTS OVERALL IS $240,000.

THE STATE PROVIDED A 75% GRANT, 2000, 180,000 THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED AS A GRANT.

AND THEN THE LOCAL SHARE IS 25%.

SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GETTING A, A VERY, UM, UNIQUE AND, AND VERY BROAD, UM, STUDY THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE COUNTY AT A 75% DISCOUNT.

SO, NOT, NOT TOO BAD IN THAT SENSE.

UM, THE, THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT IS, IS, IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT FOR A, FOR A STUDY, RIGHT, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO STUDY THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

SO THAT WAS THE BENEFIT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, THAT THIS IS A GRANT, RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHERS THAT THERE WERE LOANS, LOW INTEREST LOANS, THOSE WERE MOSTLY FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, BUT FOR THIS TYPE OF STUDIES, THEY WERE PROVIDING THESE GRANTS.

NOW, UM, ON THIS SLIDE, ALL, ALL I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU IS A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT SCOPE.

SO WE STARTED WITH DATA COLLECTION AND SITE VISITS.

THE SITE VISITS WERE CRITICAL.

UM, WE WENT OUT TO THE FIELD WITH YOU, RIGHT? AND WE HAD TWO DAYS OF SITE VISIT WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE MORE CRITICAL AREAS.

AND THAT WAS CRITICAL IN OUR, OUR PROCESS FOR SELECTING THE SITES.

UM, THEN THERE WAS THIS COUNTYWIDE SCREENING ASSESSMENT THAT WAS THE FIRST HIGH LEVEL ASSESSMENT OF THE COUNTY FOR FLOOD RISK CONDITIONS.

AND OUT OF THAT, SIX SITES WERE IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST CRITICAL ONES TO CONTINUE FURTHER DETAILED STUDY FOR THOSE SIX SITES.

WE DEVELOPED CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS AND DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR EACH OF THOSE SIX SITES.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT GEORGE IS GOING TO EXPLAIN IN DETAIL AS WE CONTINUE.

NOW AT THE END OF THIS GRAPHIC, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT WE, WE BASICALLY ALREADY SUBMITTED THIS CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS TO THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

SO THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY IN, IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING INCLUDED IN THE STATE FLOOD PLAN, AND THAT WAY THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR FUTURE STATE FLOOD PLAN FUNDS.

IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE PLAN, THEY'LL NOT, THEY WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS.

SO THAT'S VERY CRITICAL.

AND I, I WANTED TO ADD THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

THIS PROJECT IS BEING FUNDED AGAIN BY THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND THROUGH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND WE'RE EVALUATING EXISTING FLOOD RISK, CREATING ALTERNATIVES TO REDUCE FLOOD RISK AND COMING UP WITH USING THEIR TERMINOLOGY OF FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS THEY CALL AN FNPS.

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THAT'S A TERMINOLOGY THAT IS BEING USED BY THE STATE FLOOD PLAN FOR ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO BE MOVED ON INTO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER THESE SIX SITES AS FNPS.

SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT OF REQUESTING FUNDING FOR THESE SIX PROJECTS, YOU'RE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP AND THAT'S GONNA START HAPPENING ONCE THE STATE FLOOD PLAN IS COMPLETED.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE DATES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOW OF TIME IN A FEW SLIDES HERE IN A SECOND.

SO WHAT'S THE CONNECTION, RIGHT? WE, WE CREATED THIS SIX FNPS OR FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS, AND THEY NEED TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO BE INCLUDED IN THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN FLOOD RISK.

WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT IN THESE PROJECTS.

AND THOSE BENEFITS ARE, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FROM FLOOD REDUCTIONS TO PROPERTIES TO ROADWAYS TO AGRICULTURAL AREAS.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS ON HOW TO DEMONSTRATE REDUCTION IN FLOOD RISK.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT, AND THE ONE THAT TAKES MORE TIME IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THESE PROJECTS WILL HAVE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES DOWNSTREAM, UPSTREAM, NEARBY.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WHATEVER CONCEPT WE CREATE, WE NEED TO SIMULATE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE CONDITIONS WORSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT'S A CRITICAL ASPECT.

WE ALSO NEED TO CALCULATE A BENEFIT COST RATIO OR DO A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS.

NOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE BOARD IS NOT REQUESTING THAT THESE PROJECTS HAVE A BCR GREATER THAN ONE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU TYPICALLY HEAR WHEN FEMA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS GONNA PROVIDE FUNDS FOR PROJECTS.

THEY REQUIRE THOSE TO BE THOSE BCRS GREATER THAN ONE, AND OTHERWISE YOU WILL NOT GET ANY FUNDING.

IN THIS CASE, THE STATE IS NOT PUTTING THAT AS A REQUIREMENT.

WE DO NEED TO CALCULATE IT, AND WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE SUBMITTAL, BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN ONE, IT, IT DOESN'T, UM, EXCLUDE THE PROJECT FOR BEING A CANDIDATE FOR FUNDING.

THEY MAY USE THAT LATER ON WHEN THEY ENTER INTO THE RANKING OF PROJECTS AND DETERMINING HOW ARE THEY GONNA, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ABOVE ONE.

RIGHT? ONCE WE COMPLETE ALL THIS REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE SUBMIT THOSE TO THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANNING GROUPS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A GROUP OF BASICALLY 10 TO 15, UM, MEMBERS THAT THEY RECEIVE THESE PROJECTS FROM THE DIFFERENT SPONSORS, DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT SUBMIT THEM, AND THEY NEED TO REVIEW THEM.

THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

AND ONCE THAT'S CLEAR, THEY RECOMMEND THOSE PROJECTS TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIR REGIONAL FLOOD PLANS.

AND I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC HERE IN A SECOND ABOUT HOW THAT'S, UM, UM, DIVIDED ACROSS THE STATE.

BUT IN GENERAL TERMS, THOSE ARE RECOMMENDED BY THESE GROUPS.

THEY GO INTO THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANTS, THEN THOSE FLOOD PLANTS ARE GONNA BE MERGED TOGETHER INTO THE ONE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN THOSE BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING.

AND AGAIN, THE SOURCE OF FUNDING WILL BE THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS.

SO AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE SAME SOURCE OF FUNDING.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS GONNA BE ALLOCATED.

I WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT ONCE ALL THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN THE STATE FLOOD PLAN, FUNDINGS WILL, FUNDING WILL BECOME AVAILABLE, IMPLEMENTATION WILL START, AND WE'LL START TO SEE THAT REDUCTION IN FLOOD RISK.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO THESE TWO GRAPHICS COME FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SITE.

UH, ON THE LEFT YOU SEE THE ENTIRE STATE DIVIDED INTO 15 REGIONS.

THOSE REGIONS ARE BASED ON HYDROLOGIC BOUNDARIES.

SO ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THAT KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS ALMOST ENTIRELY WITHIN THE TRINITY RIVER BASIN OR REGION THREE OF THE 15, UM, REGIONAL BOUNDARIES.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE CORNER ON THE NORTH EAST SIDE THAT GOES INTO THE SABINE, UM, DRAINAGE BASIN.

SO OUR PROJECTS WILL BE EITHER SUBMITTED TO THE TRINITY REGION REGION THREE, OR

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TO THE SABINE REGION, REGION FOUR, UM, OUT OF THE SIX, UM, FIVE OF THEM ARE IN THE TRINITY REGION.

THERE'S ONE THAT IS RIGHT AT THE EDGE.

UM, WE THINK IT'S ON THE SABINE.

I THINK MOST LIKELY IT'LL GO INTO THE SABINE.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE, UM, IN FRIESA NICHOLS, WE'RE WORKING WITH 12 OUT OF, OUT OF THE 15 REGIONS, EITHER AS A PRIME OR AS A SUB-CONSULTANT.

SO WE'RE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

AND THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF WORKING IN PARALLEL AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS PROJECT FITS WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE FLOOD PLAN, RIGHT? AND WE KNOW ALL THE DATES AND WE KNOW ALL THE THINGS AND HOW THEY CHANGE AND HOW QUICKLY THEY CHANGE.

SO WE'RE ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT.

AND, AND JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UM, ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT KAUFMAN AS A COUNTY, IT'S SPLIT JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN TRINITY AND DISAB.

NOW THERE'S, THERE'S SOME VERY, VERY CRITICAL TIMING CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE GRAPHIC TO THE RIGHT, WE STARTED THIS STUDY IN JANUARY OF 22, AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO FINISHING THIS SUMMER IN JULY.

BUT THE STATE FLOOD PLAN OR, OR THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANTS ARE DUE BEFORE WE END THIS PROJECT.

SO IN THE CASE OF THE TRINITY REGION, WE HAD A VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE DEADLINE THAT WE NEEDED TO MEET OF JANUARY 27TH TO SUBMIT THE SIX PROJECTS TO THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANNING GROUP FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

WE MET THAT DEADLINE , IT WAS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT WE MET THAT DEADLINE AND WE SUBMITTED THE PROJECTS AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN THEIR HANDS.

THEY'LL BE VOTING ON THOSE PROJECTS, PROBABLY MAY FOR INCLUSION IN WHAT'S CALLED THE AMENDED FLOOD PLAN THAT IS GONNA BE SUBMITTED IN JULY.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE DEADLINES BECAUSE IF WE MISS THAT, YOU'RE OUT, ESSENTIALLY, UM, YOU'RE OUT.

THESE DEADLINES ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, EACH REGION PUTS THEIR OWN DEADLINES FOR RECEIVING INFORMATION.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY AWARE, UH, FOR THE SABINE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND WE CAN STILL SUBMIT PROJECTS BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

SO, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE SABINE SIDE, BUT WANTED TO SHOW THIS GRAPHIC BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULDN'T WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THIS PROJECT TO THEN SUBMIT EVERYTHING TO THE STATE FLOOD PLAN PROCESS.

WE HAD TO DO IT BEFORE.

UM, AND, AND WE SWITCHED OUR, OUR SCHEDULE AND WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT, UM, THE STATE FLOOD PLAN WILL BE SUBMITTED, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF 24, RIGHT? SO FROM THAT POINT FORWARD IS WHERE WE COULD EXPECT TO SEE FUNDING, THE FUNDING PROCESS TO START, JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES, ADDITIONAL SLIDES HERE ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROJECT AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT TO GEORGE.

BUT WE STARTED WITH A, A COUNTYWIDE SCREENING ASSESSMENT.

SO WE DID SITE VISIT.

ALL THOSE RED DOTS IN THE MAP ARE LOCATIONS THAT WE WENT TO VISIT, UM, IN THE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS.

WE HAD TWO DAYS OF SITE VISITS AND WE WENT TO COMMISSIONERS WITH COUNTY STAFF.

UM, WE DISCUSSED THOSE FLOODING ISSUES.

WE TOOK SOME MEASUREMENTS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND THEN ALREADY STARTED TO DISCUSS, OKAY, WHICH ONE OF THESE ARE REALLY THE CRITICAL ONES, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS.

THEN THE SECOND PART OF THE SCREENING ASSESSMENT WAS THE ACTUAL COMPUTER SIMULATION OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE RESULT OF OUR COMPUTER MODELS THAT SIMULATE RAINFALL OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTY FOR DIFFERENT STORMS. AND THEN WE ARE ABLE TO SIMULATE OUT OF THAT RAINFALL THE AREAS THAT WOULD RECEIVE, UM, RUNOFF AND GENERATE FLOODING CONDITIONS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

SO NOW WE HAVE THESE MAPS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY THAT SHOW ITS HIGH LEVEL REPRESENTATION OF WHERE FLOODING CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE HIGH LEVEL COMPUTATIONS.

THIS IS NOT MEANT TO REPLACE ANY FEMA REGULATORY MAP.

THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

BUT WE DO HAVE THAT AS A TOOL NOW TO RECOGNIZE AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FEMA FLOODPLAINS THAT WE KIND OF KNOW.

THESE ARE AREAS THAT COULD FLOOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY MAPPED ANYWHERE.

NOW WITH THIS TOOL, THE COUNTY STAFF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

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SEE, HEY, THESE AREAS NOW WE KIND OF KNOW SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE WHEN WE GET THESE STORM EVENTS, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE OFFICIAL MAPS.

SO WE USE THAT AS WELL TO RECOGNIZE AREAS OF POTENTIAL FLOOD RISK.

AND OUT OF THOSE, WHEN WE COMBINE ALL THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, 30 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WE'RE IDENTIFIED, UM, WE USE THOSE COMPUTER MODELS FOR STORM EVENTS THAT WERE LARGE, SMALL, DIFFERENT INTENSITIES.

UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE SELECT THIS SITE, CAN WE REALLY COME UP WITH A FEASIBLE PROJECT? RIGHT? SO THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BECAUSE WE, WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE A PROJECT THAT MEANS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? UM, SO LOOKING AT ALL THIS INFORMATION, WE SELECTED THE SIX SITES THAT ARE SHOWN AS THOSE STARS IN THE, IN THE MAP AND IN THIS GRAPHIC YOU CAN SEE, UM, THESE ARE THE SELECTED SITES THAT WE TOOK INTO DETAIL ANALYSIS.

AND BEFORE I PASS IT TO GEORGE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS UP TO THIS POINT? THANK YOU.

ALL GOOD.

SO GEORGE, IT'S ALL YOURS.

I'M GONNA ADJUST THE DISPLAY REAL QUICK.

OOPS.

YOU'LL SEND THIS TO EACH ONE OF US, CORRECT? OKAY.

JUST NEED TO SEE MY NOTES ON ONE OF 'EM FOR DITCH.

THEY TAKES ONE ONE CENTER FEET.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THINK IF YOU, THERE WE, I HAVE SOME SPECIFICS ON THE NOTES THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE SIGN, MAYBE.

OKAY.

THAT LAST ONE IS THE SECOND SCREEN.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

THERE, THERE WE GO.

PERFECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

JUST NEEDED TO LOOK AT SOME NOTES HERE.

SO THESE ARE THE SIX SELECTED SITES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT, UM, FOR MOST OF THEM WE BASICALLY WENT TO ALL OF THESE, UH, DURING THE SITE VISITS, THERE MAY BE A FEW THAT ACTUALLY WERE LIKE SPECIAL EDITIONS AFTER THE SITE VISITS.

UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO THOSE, UH, SPECIFICALLY.

BUT, UH, SO WE'LL GET INTO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR EACH ONE AND THEN THE, UH, KIND OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND THEN A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL SOLUTION ENDS UP PROVIDING FOR THE SPECIFIC AREA.

SO THIS ONE IS IN PRECINCT ONE, I BELIEVE, AND IT'S KINGS TREE ROAD.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS INUNDATION A LOT OF JUST ROAD OVER TOPPING, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A COMMON THEME THROUGH A LOT OF THE SIX SITES.

BASICALLY ROAD, SOME STRUCTURE FLOODING, BUT MAINLY ROAD OVER TOPPING.

UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE 10 YEAR STORM.

SO THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T EVEN LIKE THE FULL HUNDRED YEAR KIND OF INUNDATION, WHICH IS WHAT FEMA WOULD LIKE USE AS REGULATORY MODELS.

UH, AND WHAT'S CAUSING THIS AT THE MOMENT IS, UH, UH, PRIMARILY JUST A UNDERSIZED CULVERT CROSSING IN A LOW ROAD.

SO THERE'S THREE FIVE FOOT CORRUGATED METAL PIPES AND THEN I THINK THERE'S LIKE 2 24 INCHES OR SO.

AND UNDER PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, KIND OF AFTER RUNNING A FEW KIND OF TRIALS FOR SURE, WHAT, WHAT'S KIND OF REQUIRED IS ACTUALLY ABOUT A 200 FOOT SPAN BRIDGE, UH, AT, AT THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY AND RAISING THE ROAD SLIGHTLY.

SO NOT A, NOT A VERY SIGNIFICANT RISE IN THE ROAD, ONLY HALF A FOOT.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO PRESERVE, UM, THE A HUNDRED YEAR INUNDATION SO IT DOESN'T LIKE GET HIGHER THAN IT DOES CURRENTLY.

AND CUZ THERE'S STRUCTURES ON THE UPSTREAM END, SO WE DON'T WANNA FILL IN THE ROAD OR BASICALLY CREATE A GIANT EMBANKMENT OR LEVY IF IT'S NOT NEEDED.

UH, AND SO WE NEED TO GO WITH A BIGGER BRIDGE IN THIS CASE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL FLOODING NEARBY, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT WORSE FOR UPSTREAM NEIGHBORS.

AND SO ESTIMATED COST AT THE MOMENT IS ABOUT 3 MILLION.

AND THAT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE BRIDGE STRUCTURES WE'RE USING, UH, RETAILING USING TECH DOT 28 GIRDERS.

UH, SO JUST STANDARD TEXT DOT COST AND BRIDGE DETAILS ARE, UH, THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE I'LL SAY THAN JUST, UH, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LIKE GO WITH A SIMPLER SPAN SYSTEM OR OTHER, THERE'S DIFFERENT KIND OF SYSTEMS THAT COME IN AT DIFFERENT COSTS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE A BIT CONSERVATIVE ON THE SIDE OF THE COST ESTIMATING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UH, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS STILL LIKE A FEASIBILITY STUDY

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AS YOU COULD SAY, OR JUST A CONCEPT PLAN, UH, AT THE TIME OF DESIGN, IT IS EXPECTED THAT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, ARMORING MAY BE THE DETAILS OF THE SPAN.

THOSE CAN BE NARROWED DOWN AND THE COST COULD BE DIALED BACK, BUT THERE'S A BUILT-IN LIKE 30% CONTINGENCY ON THESE COSTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING TODAY.

ALL RIGHT? SO BETWEEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED, UH, JUST, JUST A SIMPLE SOLUTION OF BASICALLY REDUCING THE ROAD OVER TOPPING.

SO FOR THE 10-YEAR LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT IN A GIVEN YEAR, THE PROBABILITY IS 10%, RIGHT? IF IT GOES, YOU KNOW, GREATER THAN 10 YEAR, THEN SAY A HUNDRED YEAR STORM COMES BY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AT RISK.

BUT JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, BY TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO DESIGN EVERYTHING TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR IF IT DOESN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE SENSE.

UH, NOR DOES TEXT.DESIGN MOST ROADWAYS FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR EITHER.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CASE AND, UM, AND WHAT KIND OF SERVICE WE'RE ACCEPTABLE, UH, IN, IN SOME SCENARIOS.

ALL RIGHT, SO BEFORE GOING ON, ANY QUESTIONS ON SITE ONE? NO.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S A BOARD BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE? THAT'S A BEFORE AND AFTER.

YES.

IT LOOKS, LOOKS THE SAME TO ME.

YEAH.

THE WAY YOU CAN, WHAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE, IT'S A LITTLE NARROWER.

YEAH, IT'S THE, BASICALLY IT'S GOING UNDER THE ROAD, ALTHOUGH THE WAY IT MAPS IT IS JUST, UH, YOU SEE A LITTLE, A LITTLE LESS BLUE OVER THE ROADWAY, BUT AS FAR AS EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT'S STILL FLOODING.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME UP ON THE BUILDING.

SO THE SOLUTION IS INSTEAD OF GOING OVER THE ROAD, IT GOES UNDER THE ROAD IS ALL MM-HMM.

.

SO BASICALLY THE SOLUTION THERE WAS BASICALLY INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO CULVERTS OR THREE CULVER SHIRTS, PUTTING A BRIDGE THERE, LETTING MORE WATER FLOWS.

CORRECT.

YOU'RE DONE.

YEAH.

AND ALSO SOME CHANNEL GRADING UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE AS WELL TO KIND OF WIDEN THE, THAT, UH, WE CAN'T DO CHANNEL GRADING VERY EXTENSIVELY CUZ THEN WHEN GET INVOLVED WITH LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING, BUT WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE, THE BRIDGE OR THE ROAD CROSSING, WE CAN DO SOME GRADING AND THAT'S ALLOWING A LITTLE MORE WATER TO GO UNDER THE ROAD INSTEAD OF OVER IT.

BUT AS FAR AS MAP, LIKE WHEN YOU MAP IT, IT, IT'S GONNA LOOK KIND OF SIMILAR BECAUSE WE'RE PRESERVING THE WATER SOURCE.

WE'RE NOT MAKING IT GO DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THE ROAD IS BEING IMPROVED.

THERE ARE SOME MAPS THAT EXISTING AND PROPOSED WILL LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING A BIT MORE LIKE A CHANNEL GRADING.

BUT I SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WATER EXPANSION LOOKS THE SAME, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, IF YOU PUT A BRIDGE OR MORE OPEN, IT'S GOING UNDER THE MM-HMM.

ALSO THE SIDE WOULD SHRINK A LITTLE MORE OFF OF THE YEAH.

BILLINGS.

BUT YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN JUST, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HOPE FOR IS, I MEAN, CAUSE THE MAIN REASON IT'S TRYING TO GET RID OF THE FLOODING IS MM-HMM.

TO SAVE THE STRUCTURES IN THE HOUSES AND THE ROADWAYS, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S SOME, AND SOMETIMES IT'S, UH, LIKE IN THIS CASE YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A STRUCTURE ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED ROAD.

UM, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO FULLY REMOVE THEM FROM THE FLOODPLAIN BY ONLY DOING GRADING AT THE ROADWAY.

CUZ THE ROADWAY, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WATER SURFACE IT'LL GO DOWN.

RIGHT.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THESE CASES LIKE THAT, OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY JUST TO NOT MAKE IT WORSE.

SO IT'S NOT DISCOUNTED FROM LIKE THE IMPACTS AT, AT THE BOARD'S LEVEL, BUT IF THERE IS A, A SOLUTION TO, TO TRY TO GET OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE GRADING WAY BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THE, THE ROADWAY, UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GOING ON TO SITE NUMBER TWO, THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 3 42 AND PRECINCT THREE.

UH, SIMILAR SET OF ISSUES.

UH, IN THIS CASE IT'S ONLY 2 24 INCH CORRUGATED METAL PIPES UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.

SO JUST A VERY SMALL OPENING.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS ALSO GONNA BE A BRIDGE, NOT A, NOT AS BIG OF A BRIDGE, BUT IT'S ALMOST AN IDENTICAL PROJECT.

JUST A 50 FOOT SPAN IN THIS CASE.

BUT SINCE THERE'S NOT, UH, UM, THERE'S NOT EFFECTIVE STRUCTURES IN THE FLOOD PLAIN CURRENTLY WE'RE ABLE TO RAISE THE ROAD BY ABOUT TWO FEET AND NOT GET, NOT AFFECT STRUCTURES ON THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE SOME RISES AS LONG AS WE CAN JUSTIFY THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT CAUSING ANY HARM.

PERHAPS.

YOU GOT A QUESTION ABOUT 3 42 THERE? IT'S MY PRECINCT.

YEAH.

UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY SOME, UH, FLOODING ISSUES SOUTH OF THAT TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS JUST SOUTH OF THAT ON COUNTY ROAD 3 46.

MM-HMM.

, UH, IS THAT GONNA HELP RELIEVE THAT A LITTLE BIT, MOVING THAT WATER? YEAH.

IF I REMEMBER FROM THE MODEL RESULTS, IT, IT DOES CAUSE A, SINCE WE'RE RAISING THE ROAD A BIT, IT'S CAUSING A BIT MORE DETENTION ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE.

SO ON THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA IMPACT IT TOO MUCH.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE MAYBE A SLIGHT DECREASE IN FLOWS, BUT NOT, UM, BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

BUT I CAN MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

WHICH ROAD WAS THAT? JUST YES, KIND ROUTE 3 46 AT 27 28.

OKAY.

THEY CATCH A LOT OF WATER OFF

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OF THAT YEAH.

FROM THAT MOMENT.

OKAY.

YEAH, WE WILL MAKE SURE FROM JUST GOOD TO KNOW.

AND, UH, COUNTY ROAD 3 46, JUST VERIFY OUR, OUR DISCHARGES AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, GEORGE, THE OTHER SITES.

OKAY.

IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER.

OH, OKAY.

I THINK, LET ME, IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER SELECT ONES.

TAKE 48 AS FAR AS THE LIST OF PROBLEM CHILDREN.

OH, OKAY.

UH, YES.

PROBABLY NOT ON THE SIX SELECTED ONES, BUT PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONES WE, YEAH, FOR THE OTHER ONES.

OKAY.

I'LL TAKE A NOTE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

COOL.

SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SITE NUMBER TWO? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO EXISTING AND PROPOSED, NOT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

JUST ANOTHER, YOU CAN KIND OF NOTICE JUST A BIT MORE OF A RESTRICTION IN THE, THE WAY THE WATER'S GOING UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.

OH, SORRY.

UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE WATER KIND OF LIKE SPLITS OVER THE ROAD IN TWO LOCATIONS AND THEN MINE WENT AWAY.

OH, DID IT DIE? WE LOST JACKHAMMER OUT THERE.

DAMAGED .

YEAH.

KNOCKED OUT OUR INTERNET.

RIGHT.

JACK HAMMER MISSING? NO, MAYBE NOT.

OKAY, THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO EXISTING FLOODING IN TWO SPOTS PROPOSED, IT'S ALL PINCHING KIND OF UNDER THE BRIDGE.

MM-HMM.

.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SITE NUMBER THREE.

SO THIS IS INSIDE OF PRECINCT ONE IS A BIT MORE OF A UNIQUE CASE, BUT THIS IS LOCATED ON PLANTATION BRIDGE AND HELMS TRAIL.

UH, PUT IT IN CONTEXT, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, NEXT TO THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE THAT'S IN THIS AREA.

AND, UH, THERE IS ROAD OVER TOPPING, BUT THIS IS MORE LIKE RESIDENTIAL ROADS, BUT THE BIGGER CONCERN HERE IS THE IMPACT TO A LOT OF STRUCTURES.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF STRUCTURES AROUND A CUL-DE-SAC, I THINK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

AND I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A VIDEO PLAYING THERE.

OKAY.

AND THEN YEAH, LOOKS GOOD.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE EXISTING SIMULATION.

SO YOU HAVE LIKE, FLOW COMING FROM THE NORTH AND ALSO FROM THE, THE WEST SIDE AS WELL.

AND IT'S CONVERGING BEHIND THESE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

THERE IS LIKE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT CURRENTLY THERE, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, GRADING TO CONVEY ALL THE FLOW THAT'S COMING FROM BOTH THE NORTH AND THE, AND THE WEST.

UH, SO THANK I THINK, I THINK ALSO ON THAT TO THE LEFT OF THE WATER STREAM, THERE WAS ANOTHER EASEMENT RIGHT THERE THAT THEY NEVER MM-HMM.

, SOMEHOW THE WATER DOESN'T GET DIVERTED AT THE TOP.

YEAH.

THERE, THERE'S A, IF IT'S, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL VISITED LATELY, BUT DOWN HERE AT THE, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER ON THE SIDE OVER THERE, THEY BUILT THAT LAND UP LIKE 20 FEET HIGH BEHIND THOSE HOMES, BEHIND THE, THE LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, UH, I READ THE NOTE EARLY ON.

I I I KNOW WE LOOKED AT THIS MM-HMM.

SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THERE'S, THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TAKEN OFF IN THIS AREA HERE.

MM-HMM.

AND EVEN WHERE IT SHOWS WHERE IT'S CROSSING HELMS TRAIL.

YEAH.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING BUILDING HOMES THERE.

YEP.

MM-HMM.

AND YOU GOT A SNAKE CREEK THAT'S, THAT'S WINDING BEHIND THEM.

WINDING.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ENGINEERS IN, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING YEAH.

TO RESTRICT THE WATER FLOW OR WHAT.

SO I GUESS THESE THINGS ARE, IT'S EVER EVOLVING AT THE SITE AND Y'ALL ARE PLAYING CATCH UP.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT MANY YEARS AGO.

YEAH.

AND IT'S CHANGED.

IT'S MORPHING RIGHT NOW.

YEAH.

MAYBE THEY NEED TO GO REVISIT IT AGAIN THEN.

WELL, I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IMPACT STUDIES YEAH.

FROM LIKE AMAZON AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHENEVER THE RETENTION PONDS DON'T WORK OR THEY DO WORK OR WHATEVER YEAH.

BUT THEY, IT IMPACTS ALL THE, THE FLOODS AND YEAH.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IMPACT STUDIES DOWNSTREAM.

RIGHT.

BUT THIS, THIS HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE Y'ALL LAST LOOKED AT IT.

SO THIS KIND OF LOT TO THE NORTH IS KIND OF ALREADY BUILDING OUT ON HELMS TRAIL.

THAT'LL BE TO THE, TO THE EAST, TO THE NEXT TO HELM GETS THE YEAH.

THAT WAY NORTHEAST EIGHT YEARS.

AND NOW HE GETS TO DEAL WITH IT.

CAUSE THE POPULATION SHIFT.

SO MINE LITTLE BUILT A LITTLE BIT AND IT GETS THAT OVER, BUT I MEAN, YEAH.

SO I GUESS CHARGE IS, IT'S SET IN STONE.

WE SUBMITTED THE AREAS, BUT THE PLAN IS NOT SET IN STONE.

YEAH.

WE, WE'LL STILL GO OUT WHEN THE TIME COMES AND GET FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT TO REESTABLISHING BETTER DESIGN BASED ON WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.

CORRECT.

AT THE TIME.

WELL, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS WHAT'S ON THE GROUND IS CHANGING MM-HMM.

.

SO YOU GOT A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN AND HE BUILDS, IT'S NOT IN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN.

YEAH.

SO THEY BUILD HOMES IN IT.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

THEN WE'VE GOT HOMES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT BEFORE.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

BECAUSE RECENTLY NONE.

THIS IS FLOOD PLAIN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A, THEY HAD A MINIMAL, THEY HAD IT ON THE BOOKS.

IT WAS A MINIMAL YEAH.

FLOOD RISK.

RIGHT.

FLOOD RISK.

CORRECT.

AND ON, AND IT,

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IT WASN'T MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WELL, WHO DECIDED THAT, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS WHEN IT WAS A COW PASTURE MM-HMM.

, THEY DECIDED THAT THAT WAS A MINIMAL FLOOD RISK TO THE COW.

CAUSE HE COULD PROBABLY MOVE, BUT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW IS, IT IS NOT QUITE AS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME.

AND, AND TO ME, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY MIKE KIND OF THINKS PROBABLY THE SAME WAY.

I KNOW, I KNOW THIS ONE HOUSE CATCHES IT BAD MM-HMM.

, BUT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT UP HERE CATCHES IT WORSE THAN THE ONE ON THE LEFT MM-HMM.

.

AND, AND THEY'VE GOT THE ONE ON LEFT GOING UNDER AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT'S, THE ONE THAT ALWAYS GOES UNDER, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE DIDN'T GET TO REVIEW THOSE, THOSE WHO FELL IN THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

UM, YEAH.

SORRY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED WITH DEVI FOR, FOR YOUR QUESTION, DEVI'S GONNA COME AND WE'RE GONNA BEEF UP THE DRAINAGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE EFFECTS OF DOWN STREET OR DOWN THE ROAD WITHIN SO MUCH DISTANCE FROM YOUR PROJECTS.

THERE YOU GO.

NO WORRIES.

VERY GOOD.

WE DISCUSSED THAT IT'S COMING.

WE HAVE A MEETING COMING BACK TO IT, .

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE'RE GOOD.

YEAH.

WE, I MEAN, I GET IT.

I'M JUST, WE'RE JUST TALKING.

WE'RE NOT SAYING CHANGE SOMETHING TO GO CRAZY, BUT WE'RE TALKING JUST SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AND YOU'RE DOING IT AND YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING TO MIKE A LOT, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW? YEAH.

WE'RE DOING THE PLANNING NOW, BASICALLY.

SO THIS IS ALL TO BE TREATED AS LIKE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT AT THE TIME, SO THIS IS SUBMITTED TO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AS AN FMP.

SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LIKE THIS IS READY, LIKE HERE'S A PLAN SET.

WE'RE NOT SUBMITTING A PLAN SET YET.

OH.

I, BUT AT THE TIME OF FM, WHEN THE FMP IS ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED A FEW YEARS LATER, IT'S GONNA RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A DESIGN FUNDING FIRST, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS OF ACTUALLY DRAFTING UP A 30% SCHEMATIC.

AND, UH, IF, IF CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THEN IT'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

YOU'LL THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'LL BE MUCH CLOSER TO CONSTRUCTION AT THAT POINT.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

ALL RIGHTY.

SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THIS SITE FOR SURE, BUT UNDER PROPOSED KIND OF OUR RIGHT NOW AS LIKE CONDITIONS ARE NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF BASICALLY GRADING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UH, AROUND THE SITE.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE DRAINAGE DITCHES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

SO THAT LOT TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, BASICALLY NEEDS A DIVERSION CHANNEL TO STOP ALL THAT SHEET FLOW FROM HITTING THE BACK OF THE LOTS.

YOU DON'T WANT LIKE, DRAINAGE HITTING THE BACK OF LOTS OR DRAINING ACROSS LOTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT DIVERSION CHANNEL IS.

SO EVEN IF, I GUESS GOING BACK TO, IF THERE'S LIKE A DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, THAT'S LIKELY SOMETHING YOU MAY SEE OR THEY MAY TRY TO CATCH THAT OR INTERCEPT.

IT'S HARD TO TELL UNLESS YOU REVIEW KIND OF WHATEVER THEY SUBMIT.

UH, AND THEN BEHIND THE, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE CHANNEL, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF THE SPREAD OF THE FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S A, RIGHT NOW A 40 FOOT PROPOSED JUST DRAINAGE CHANNEL JUST GRADING THROUGH THE BACK, CREATING THAT FORK KIND OF SYSTEM AND, AND MORE CHANNELS AND ALSO UPSIZES TO THE CULVERT.

SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON TO TRY TO CONCENTRATE THE WATER AWAY FROM THE HOUSES.

AND THAT REDUCES PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, UH, FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR INSIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW HOUSES THERE.

THERE'S LIKE ONE OR TWO HOUSES THAT JUST ARE TOO LOW IN ELEVATION THAT EVEN WITH THAT GRADING WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE BENEFITS OF THAT.

BUT IT'S, THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT RIGHT NOW PROVIDES THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, SOLU LIKE THE BIGGEST BENEFIT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

NOT JUST ONE OR TWO HOUSES, BUT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO IT'S CHEAP TOO.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

.

RIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT OF EARTH TO MOVE.

SO 8.3 MILLION.

YEAH.

IT'S ONE OF THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONES.

YEAH.

I GOTTA SEE THAT.

YEAH.

IT'S A LOT OF TRAPEZOIDAL CHANNELS MAYBE.

AND MAYBE WHAT THEY'VE DONE BACK THERE BY RAISING THAT HIP, MAYBE THE WATER GOES THE OTHER DIRECTION NOW IN THIS NORTHEAST CORNER OR IN THAT MM-HMM.

SIDE SLOPE.

MM-HMM.

, THERE MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH WATER ANYMORE.

YEAH.

JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE BEHIND IT.

YEAH.

CAUSE THEY'RE TALLER THAN THE HOUSE IN FRONT NOW.

YEAH.

AND, AND I'M, I'M SURE THEY'RE SLOPING.

I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE ME, THE WATER SLOPES OUTTA THE WAY NOW.

SO YEAH.

WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, IN THE LAST RAINS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, MAYBE MIKE'S DROVE BACK.

BUT YEAH, IT'S THE, THE INTENT OF THE ALTERNATIVE IS BASICALLY INTERCEPT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

DON'T RAISE THE ROADS.

CUZ IF YOU RAISE THE ROADS NEXT TO THE HOUSES, THEN YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE A RISE AS WELL.

SO A LOT OF EARTH WORK.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A, THIS IS A MORE VISUAL KIND OF REDUCTION IN FLOODPLAIN LIMITS PICTURE RIGHT.

LOOKS MORE.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH.

AND YOU, AND YOU'RE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN I SHOULD SAY.

SO IT'S KIND OF, WE'RE BEEFING UP THE ORDINANCES AS WELL TO KIND OF, UH, HELP KIND OF GET A BETTER HANDLE ON WHEN YOU HAVE THESE OFFSITE FLOW

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AREAS AND TRY TO PREVENT THIS IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH.

AND I THINK ON, IN, UH, WHAT YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD ALL THAT REAL BAD THAT, THAT, THAT ONE PICTURE WAS PRETTY CURRENT.

THE ONE FEATHERED OVER TO THE LEFT.

YEAH.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT.

NOBODY REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT FLOODING WITH MM-HMM.

THIS UP HERE AND THEY, THEY FLOODED THIS BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THAT CAME IN, INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE NEVER HAD THAT.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS ONE WILL PROVIDE A GOOD BENEFIT AND, UH, I MEAN, WE'LL SEE IF IT GETS FUNDED, BUT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE IT FOR SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GOING ON TO SITE NUMBER FOUR, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER KIND OF INTERESTING ONE.

THIS IS, UH, COUNTY ROAD 2 43 IN PRECINCT THREE.

UH, I GUESS FOR POINT OF REFERENCE, THIS IS NEXT TO A, A GUN RANGE, I GUESS IS A COMMON WAY TO ORIENT YOURSELF HERE.

UH, UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, THERE'S FLOW COMING FROM BASICALLY ALL DIRECTIONS GOING INTO THIS ROADWAY.

SO THERE'S FLOW COMING FROM THE NORTH.

THERE'S FLOW COMING FROM, UH, THE EAST AND THEN ALSO FROM THE SOUTH.

SO THIS ROAD IS JUST KIND OF PARALLEL TO THE CREEK, UH, FOR A GOOD PORTION, UH, OF IT.

SO UNDER EXISTING IONS, THERE'S LIKE 4 36 INCH PIPES THAT'S ALL THAT THAT IT HAS.

AND IT'S NOT VERY HIGH FROM THE GROUND.

SO UNDER PROPOSED CONDITIONS, IT'S UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD OF JUST RAISING THE ROAD.

BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE ARE ON THE ROAD.

SO THAT'LL VARY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN ONE FOOT JUST AS SIMPLE, ONE FOOT RAISE UP TO A THREE FOOT RAISE DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS NEXT TO THE ADJACENT CREEK.

AND, UH, ALSO WIDENING, UH, A CHANNEL INSIDE DITCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO ANY GRADING THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE STAYING OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE CREEK KIND OF LIMITS ITSELF, AGAIN FOR ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PURPOSES TO NOT IMPACT THE CREEK, UH, BOUNDARIES AS MUCH.

UH, AND THAT'S, UH, THE KIND OF BETWEEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED AND NOT A GIANT VISUAL DIFFERENCE.

CUZ THE GOAL IS TO KIND OF KEEP THE FLOODPLAIN ROUGHLY WHERE IT IS, BUT SAVE THE ROAD OR MAKE THE ROAD MORE PASSABLE IN A, IN A HIGHER STORM EVENT.

SO THAT LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO MAKE A LAKE.

YEAH.

IT'S WATER COMING FROM EVERYBODY.

EVERYTHING GOES IN THERE.

WHEN, WHEN DID Y'ALL DO THE STUDY ON THIS ONE? HOW LONG AGO HAS THAT BEEN? THE, THE STUDY WAS DONE, UH, THIS ONE WAS MODELED LIKE IN JANUARY.

OKAY.

BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REBUILT THAT ROAD, UM, ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO AND WE RAISED IT QUITE A BIT AND IT HELPED.

IT HAS HELPED ALREADY.

YEAH.

UH, WE'VE ONLY HAD A FEW SPOTS WHERE I WAS OVER THERE THE LAST BAD RAIN WE HAD.

OKAY.

AND, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SPOTS WHERE WE'RE STILL BARELY COMING CROSSROAD, BUT IT WASN'T RUSHING LIKE IT USED TO DO.

YEAH.

SO IT'S, YEAH, IT'S GOTTEN BETTER, BUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS MAKE IT JUST THAT MUCH MORE BETTER, SO.

OH, INTERESTING.

YEAH, I I BELIEVE OUR LIDAR WAS LIKE 2020.

I'D HAVE TO CHECK FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA, SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THE NEW ELEVATIONS HAVE BEEN PICKED UP OR NOT.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

ALRIGHTY.

SO WE'LL KIND OF JUST CRUISE ON TO SITE NUMBER FIVE REAL QUICK.

AND THIS IS VALLEY VIEW AND RAVEN HILL KIND OF, THIS IS A CROSS, A COUPLE SLIDES HERE, BUT THIS IS IN PRECINCT TWO AND UH, VALLEY VIEW, UH, ROAD THERE HAS, IT'S NEXT TO AN SES POND.

AND SO THAT ROADWAY CURRENTLY, UH, OVERTOPS, UH, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IT LIKE A CULVERT.

UM, BUT REALLY WHAT'S CAUSING THE OVERTOPPING IS THE BACKWATER FROM THE S SES POND ITSELF.

RIGHT.

THE ONE UP TO THE NORTH TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST CONE ROAD.

YEAH.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY A BUNCH OF LEVEL POOL WATER THERE JUST HAD RAINED STORM VENTS AND THE WATER WAS UP YEAH.

STAYED EVEN WITH THE ROAD FOR ALMOST FOUR WEEKS.

YEAH.

CAUSE IT, IT, IT JUST SITS THERE.

IT WON'T DRAIN OUT.

YEAH.

BUT, UM, AND UH, IT CAME AND CLEARED THE CULVERT, BUT IT'S ONLY LIKE A MM-HMM.

EIGHT INCH PIPE OR SOMETHING.

IT'S, NO, IT MOVES.

SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

ALL THAT WATER, IT HAS TO MOVE OUT AND COME ON, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PIPE .

YEAH.

I HAD A COUPLE INCHES TOO.

ANYWAY.

YEAH.

LET THE WATER MOVE.

I'VE TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER OVER THERE ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW.

I AND YOU DO.

I DON'T, WELL, IT'S OVER ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IF ITS ON PUBLIC, IF IT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, YOU TAKE CARE OF, THAT'D BE, I'D TAKE CARE OF IT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL, WE, WELL THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO EIGHT FOOT MM-HMM.

, UH, TRAIN CART'S.

RIGHT.

REPORTS UNDER THAT RIGHT THERE.

YES.

YEAH.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S EVEN ON BOTH SIDES.

IT'S, YOU'RE RESTRICTED ON THE, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR DOWNSTREAM END.

YEAH.

YOU COULD PUT THE 16 OF 'EM AND YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME WATER.

YEAH.

IT'S, UH, THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION THERE IS DEFINITELY CONTROLLED BY THE SES POND.

AND WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED WAS NOT ONLY ON THIS SES POND, BUT BASICALLY ANY SES POND IS THAT IT TAKES MULTIPLE DAYS FOR THE WATER TO DROP BACK DOWN.

SO IT'S NOT THE POOL LEVEL.

UH, AND THE BIGGEST POND CONTROLLED BY THE ROOFTOPS THATS ARE GONNA BUILD BACK TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, EAST.

MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STRAIGHT BACK ON THE BACK, BACK THERE.

THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE

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GOING TO ADD ANOTHER THOUSAND HOMES THAT'S GOING TO RUSH THAT WATER.

THEY'RE BUILDING COVERS, NATURALLY FLOWS ON LAND AND SOS AND THEY'RE GONNA RUSH IT DOWN THERE, THE RANCH ROAD.

AND SO GUESS WHAT MM-HMM.

, IT'S, I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO GO OVER THE TOP.

YEAH.

I MEAN THAT IT IS NOT EVEN A CHOICE.

IT, BUT AT THAT POINT IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THE BELTWAY.

YEAH.

IT'S CAUSE CUZ HE, HE TOLD ME THAT THE BELTWAY, BUT I CAN STAND ON THE ROAD AND I SWEAR THE SPILLWAY IS TWO FEET HIGHER THAN THE ROAD AT LEAST.

MM-HMM.

.

AND I'M THINKING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE RIGHT.

BUT YEAH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A, IT'S A CONJOIN.

THERE'S A, THIS ONE DEFINITELY LIKE I COULDN'T SHOW THE ENTIRE PROJECT LIMITS ON JUST ONE SLIDE CUZ IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S THIS DOWNSTREAM PROBLEM FOR SURE THAT YOU'RE MEANT THAT WE KNOW VALLEY VIEW AND THEN THERE'S A RANCH ROAD, RAVEN HILL KIND OF AREA WHERE THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD.

YEAH.

AND IN ALL THOSE VACANT LOTS, IT ALL DISCHARGES THERE, ALL HOUSES MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONE OF 'EM.

YEAH.

AND SO, I MEAN, THIS GOES FASTER.

YEAH.

AND IT DOES GO OVER THE ROAD THERE, IN FACT.

YEAH.

LAST TIME WE HAD A REAL SIGNIFICANT RAINSTORM, WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN DEVONSHIRE, I MEAN RAVEN HILL MM-HMM.

.

CAUSE THE WATER STARTED RUSHING SO HARD DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH.

IT WAS FLOATING CARS AWAY.

INTERESTING.

YEAH.

SO I MEAN I'M THINKING YEAH.

HELLO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

AND IT'S KIND OF A SOME POINT, UH, YOU CAN'T, I MEAN SOMEBODY'S GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE THE WATER GOES.

MM-HMM.

OBVIOUSLY THE LAWS DON'T REQUIRE THE DEVELOPERS TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT THEIR LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE.

JUST SAY, WELL WE'RE NOT MOVING WATER ANY FASTER.

YEAH.

AND WE, WE UPDATED, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS AREA IS SEEING LIKE A VERY FAST PACE OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS INTERSECTIONS.

SO OUR MODEL KIND OF ACCOUNTS FOR JUST HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL EVERYWHERE UPSTREAM PRETTY MUCH.

CUZ IT'S ALREADY THERE OR IF IT'S NOT ON THE GOOGLE AERIAL IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO WE KIND OF, WE HAVE THE LATEST PLATS FOR, FOR THIS AREA THAT WE GOT FROM, FROM THE COUNTY.

AND UH, SO EVEN IF IT'S NOT SHOWN IN OUR AERIAL, IN OUR LAND USE ASSUMPTION, IT IS ACCOUNTED FOR.

SO IT, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY A BIT MORE, IT'S NOT, I WOULDN'T CALL IT ULTIMATE PER SE, BUT IT IS MORE IN THE FUTURE, UH, OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT COUNTY ENGINEERS THINKING ABOUT BUYING A HOUSE RIGHT UP HERE TO THE RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'LL BE TALKING MORE TO HIM , HE'S GONNA BE MORE CONCERN IF HE'S SAYING OH ON THAT, SEE WHAT'S TALKING ABOUT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OUT YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND GO OUT THE OTHER SIDE.

YEAH.

BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A MAD SITUATION CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING WATER THERE TOO FAST.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MORE RETENTION POND AND THEY FIGURED OUT A WAY TO SLOW 'EM DOWN THEN YEAH.

AND IN SIZING ALL OF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THAN USUAL JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UPSTREAM DETENTION PONDS OCCURRING, UH, NEXT UPSTREAM OF RANCH ROAD.

RIGHT.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS OF EACH ONE.

AND THEN ALSO THE TIMING IN BETWEEN PONDS CAN GET A LITTLE TRICKY.

SO WE'VE ASSUMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF SIZING OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS PROBABLY BETTER AND SOME CITY'S ACTUALLY REQUIREMENT, UH, IS JUST NO DETENTION FOR SIZING THE ROAD.

SO IN CASE OF BREACHES OR FAILURES OR STUFF, YOU SIZE IT FOR THE WORST.

RIGHT.

AND IF YOU GO NORTH UP THIS ROAD NOW MM-HMM.

, IF Y'ALL WERE COMING OUT THERE WITH ME AGAIN OVER THE NEXT HILL, WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THE SAME THING MM-HMM.

REOCCURRING ON THE NEXT SECTION, THAT IT'S NEVER DONE THAT.

YEAH.

BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A GREAT BIG UH, UH, SLEW THAT COMES DOWN FROM THEIR RETENTION POND THAT'S ABOUT AS WIDE AS THIS BUILDING YEAH.

THAT THEY PUT IN.

AND I SAID, UHOH, THIS IS LOOKING BAD.

AND IT, AND IT'S BOTH HILLS COMING DOWN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

YEAH.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I MEAN YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, IT'LL, AND I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT THE NEXT SECTION OF THE ROAD GOING NORTH.

YEAH.

WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY PROBABLY HAVE TO MEET UP ABOUT THIS ONE FOR SURE.

A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YEAH.

TO, TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'VE ASSUMED.

BUT, UM, FOR NOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'VE GONE WITH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RANCH ROAD, UH, WE BASICALLY START UPSIZING THE CULVERT AT RAVEN HILL.

AND SO THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, AT AT RANCH ROAD THAT CULVERT IS YEAH.

SIZE, WHICH RIGHT NOW THERE'S LIKE TWO CUSTOM KIND OF LIKE ARCH CULVERTS UNDER EXISTING EDITIONS AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN A STANDARD TEXTILE LIKE 10 BY EIGHT IS KIND OF THE DIMENSIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

YEAH.

IT IT CARRIES SOME WATER THROUGH THERE.

YEAH.

I MEAN REALLY IT IT, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT THE REASON IT WAS GOING ACROSS THE ROAD IS CUZ IT'S COMING DOWN RAVEN HILL SO FAST MM-HMM.

, IT'S GOING DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE ROAD MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND THEY KEPT CLOSING UP THEIR, THEIR STORM SEWERS AND THEIR STUFF CUZ THEY DON'T WANT MUD IN 'EM.

THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THAT'S ONE OF THE WORST NIGHTMARES THEY CAN HAVE IS FOR ALL THOSE VACANT LOTS TO SLIDE DOWN INTO THEIR CULVERTS CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THE

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MUD OUT OF THERE EXCEPT FOR THE SHOVEL AND THE GUYS AND SHOVELS GOING UP IN THERE CLEANING THEM OUT.

YEAH.

THERE'S, AND SO THEY BLOCK 'EM UP, LET'S FLOOD EVERYBODY AND BLOCK 'EM UP UP.

BUT UH, YEAH, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS LIKE THE NEXT HILL, THE WATER STILL GOES TO THE SAME PLACE.

MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MM-HMM.

RANCH, SOUTHWEST SIDE VALLEY VIEW.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

YOU IT ALL, THAT WATER GOES TO THAT SAME PLACE ON VALLEY.

YEAH.

IT'S STILL COLLECTS.

YES.

YEAH.

IT'S ALL, SO IT'S EVERY TIME THEY BUILD ANOTHER SECTION IT MAKES ME EXTREMELY NERVOUS CUZ I JUST KNOW YOU'RE GONNA CUT, YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE MORE VALLEY AND IT'S GOING BE UNDERWATER.

YEAH.

AND THEN THAT LITTLE BITTY TUBE OVER THERE THAT'S TAKING ALMOST FIVE WEEKS NOW, THE DRAIN MM-HMM.

THE WATER OFF OF THE MM-HMM.

ROADWAY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IN THE SIX MONTHS TRYING TO DRAIN OFF OF IT.

YEAH.

AND SO WHAT WAS OBSERVED IN THE MODEL IS KIND OF THE ONLY WAY TO KIND OF GET VALLEY VIEW ROAD OUT OF THE INUNDATION IS BASICALLY TO RAISE IT.

SO YOU HAVE TO RAISE IT ABOVE THE, WELL ABOVE THE NORMAL POOL OF THE SES POND DOWNSTREAM.

YEAH.

BECAUSE THAT'S LIMITED BY THE EMERGENCY SPILLWAY.

AND SO WE, WE RAISED THE ROAD, I'VE ALREADY RAISED IT HALF A FOOT IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.

YEAH.

IT'S, AND, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE STRETCH, THE RAISE MM-HMM.

.

YEAH IT IS.

AND COUNTY BUDGET.

RIGHT.

AND THE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS RAISING IT BETWEEN TWO TO FOUR FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.

SO THAT CAN BE QUITE FOUR FEET.

A LOT OF EARTH, IT'D BE CHEAPER JUST TO BE ABLE TO BRIDGE FROM THAT ONE SECTION ALL THE WAY ACROSS, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

IT'S KIND OF TO GET THAT HIGHER ELEVATION, KIND OF THE, IN ADDITION TO RAISING THE ROAD ALSO EXPANDED CULVERTS UNDERNEATH IT SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE A SECOND THE EFFECT OF A SECOND DETENTION POND ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE OR, CAUSE THE MORE RETENTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE RIDE, THE MORE WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT GUY ON THE RIDE OUT IN THE STREET WITH HIS SHOTGUN, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

UM, SO, UH, SO I BELIEVE, SO AGAIN, THE MAP IS KIND OF, UH, HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT BETWEEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED.

YEAH.

HIS DRIVEWAY GOES UNDERWATER.

YEAH.

YES.

AND IT, AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE DRIVEWAY, I WOULD SAY, BUT IT'S MAINLY JUST THE MAIN ROAD.

NEVER IT DIDN'T BEFORE THIS TIME IT MORPHED THE SECTION OF IT OUT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, AND HE WANTED TO PUT ALL THE WATER OUT IN THE DITCH AND I SAID, WELL YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

IT'S, IT'S ON, IT'S OVER THERE ON YOUR, ON YOUR DRIVEWAY.

YOU NEED COVERTS UNDER YOUR DRIVEWAY, YOU NEED THE WATER GOING UNDER YOUR DRIVEWAY.

YEAH.

BUT WHEN IT GOES COMPLETELY OVER THE TOP, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVEN GOING UNDER IT'S HELPING.

YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S JUST A BAD SITUATION.

YEAH.

AGREED.

SO YEAH, SO THE PROPOSED SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE ROAD, ADDING CULVERT SO THEY DON'T RESTRICT FLOOR, RESTRICT THE FLOW MORE THAN IT NEEDS TO BE NOT CAUSING AN IMPACT ANYWHERE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE END SOLUTION IS, UH, AT VALLEY VIEW AND THEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED ALSO AT RAVEN HILL.

UM, KIND OF JUST ALLOWING MORE WATER TO GO UNDER THE ROAD, UM, FOR, FOR BOTH SITUATIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS ONE ALSO, UH, IS UH, KIND OF THE LAST ONE BUT COUNTY ROAD 416.

SO THIS IS IN PRECINCT FOUR AND THIS ONE IS UH, JUST A LOT OF SHEET FLOW UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.

SO A LOT OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, FLOW FROM BOTH, BOTH THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE JUST TO DRAINAGE AREAS GETTING CROSSING PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE ONE AT PRAIRIE, UH, OR HELMS TRAIL OR, UH, PRAIRIE MEADOW IS KIND OF JUST INTERCEPT AND LIKE CHANNELS TO INTERCEPT THE FLOW BEFORE IT HITS THE BACKYARDS.

SO WE'RE TALKING AN EXPANSION OF THE SIDE.

THERE'S CURRENTLY SIDE DITCHES ALONG COUNTER ROAD 4 1 16, BUT THEY'RE A BIT SHALLOW AND SO THEY, THEY JUST NEED TO BE EXPANDED.

UH, NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BUT LIKE FIVE FOOT, FIVE FOOT TRENCH KIND OF IS WHAT YOU CAN THINK OF SOMETIMES TO CONVEY ENOUGH OF THE FLOW.

FIVE FOOT DEEP, UH, WIDE, FIVE FOOT, FIVE FOOT WIDTH ON THE BOTTOM.

THE, THE DEPTH COULD VARY BUT THE, THE BOTTOM FOOTPRINT OF THE CHANNEL YEAH.

IS FIVE FEET.

LIKE ALL THE FARMERS OUT THERE MAN, , THEY'LL JUST MAKE IT FIVE THAT'S UP BY, BY ABOUT 20.

AND YOU JUST HAVE A CHANNEL DOWN TO THEN, THEN YOU CAN YEAH, WE, WE WENT OUT THERE, LOOKED AT THIS CAUSE IT HAD A GENTLEMAN HAD A YARD FLOODING.

YEAH.

AND BASICALLY ALL THOSE, THE FIELDS, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AREA NOW, BUT ONE TIME THAT WAS ALL LIKE COTTON FIELDS OUT THERE.

YEAH.

UH, FOR THAT BEING SAID, A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPE WAS FORMED WHERE ALL THAT WATER WOULD FLOOD BACK THAT DIRECTION.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF TERRACES AND STUFF OUT THERE IN THOSE FIELDS THAT'S BEHIND THOSE HOMES THAT'S DIRECTING THAT WATER BACK TOWARDS THAT ROAD.

SO, UH, WE WENT OUT THERE AND CLEANED SOME OF THAT DITCH AND RELIEVED SOME OF THAT WATER.

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UH, UH, FROM THAT ONE GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH FLOODING ALL THE WAY UP TO HIS FRONT DOOR OF HIS HOUSE.

YEAH.

SO, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LARGE CREEK TO THE WEST END OF THAT ROAD.

YEAH.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING CUZ THE DITCHES ARE ALREADY DEEP, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEY'RE WIDE SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, SOLUTION TO ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOMES THAT WOULD STOP THAT WATER FROM FLOWING THAT DIRECTION WHETHER THEY DID YEAH.

MORE TERRACES OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE HOMES INSTEAD OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DITCHES REALLY GONNA FIX THAT PROBLEM.

YEAH.

CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING WORK ON THAT.

SO YEAH, THERE'S, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S KIND OF A, YOU CAN THINK OF IT LIKE THREE PARALLEL DITCHES AND KIND OF, THERE'S ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY ROAD 41 16 1 ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THOSE ARE JUST ADJACENT TO THE, THE ROAD AND THOSE ARE JUST AN EXPANSION OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, BY EXPANDING AND YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL SO THAT THAT'S LIKE 40 OR SO DRIVEWAYS, PERHAPS A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS.

UH, BUT THERE'S A CHANNEL ON THE VERY SOUTH END, UH, THAT IS INTERCEPTING A LOT OF THAT FLOW THAT'S JUST CURRENTLY SHEET FLOWING INTO THE PROPERTIES AND THEN DIRECTING IT TO THAT YOU'D CALL IT THE, THE HISTORICAL CHANNEL OF WHERE IT USED TO DRAIN OR WHERE IT, WHERE IT EVENTUALLY DRAINS ANYWAYS.

BUT IT'S JUST DIRECTING IT SO IT DOESN'T FLOW INTO THE PROPERTY BUT MAKES A, A TURN AND GO.

IT'S KINDA LIKE A RAIN GUTTER EFFECTIVELY AT THAT POINT FOR, FOR THE BACK OF THE HOUSES.

YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE, YOU GET THE COTTON FIELDS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE UP IN FOR, ON COTTON FIELD.

WELL IT FLOODS IN COTTON FIELD.

MM-HMM.

, I MEAN THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO REALLY GO.

IT JUST BUILT UP UNTIL IT'S FINALLY HIGHER THAN EVER BIT OF THE ELEVATION AROUND IT.

IT RUNS OFF.

BUT YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO THEY DIDN'T HAVE HOUSES IN IT MM-HMM.

AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE COME ALONG AND G GRADE IT ALL OUT AND DEVELOPER AND PUTS HOUSES DOWN FLAT ON THE GROUND, EVERYBODY SAID, WELL MY YARD'S FLOODED.

YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WELL THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS THE ROAD IS LOWER THAN THE SURROUNDING LAND.

RIGHT.

SO WATER SEEKS ITS OWN LEVEL MM-HMM.

, SO ALL THAT WATER WANTS TO FLOW THAT DIRECTION WHERE THAT ROAD IS AND IT JUST DOWN SITS THERE AND IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

THE PROBLEM IS YOU COULD RAISE THE ROAD BUT THEN IT JUST FLOOD THE YARDS EVEN MORE BECAUSE THE LITTLE BIT OF THE ROAD THAT'S THERE NOW IS ALREADY FLOODING.

YEAH.

CAUSE THE YARDS THERE.

SO BACK LEVEL KIND OF.

YEAH.

SO BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES NEXT TO THE ROAD, WE'RE NOT RAISING THE ROAD ON THIS.

WE'RE NOT PRO PROPOSING RAISING THE ROAD FOR THAT REASON.

FOR SURE.

CUZ IT, IT WOULD JUST CAUSE A WORSE SITUATION.

IT WOULD.

SO A LOT OF, UH, DITCHES EVERYWHERE, A LOT, A LOT OF CHANNELS BASICALLY TO DIVERT FLOW AROUND THE HOUSES.

AND THEN THERE'S EVEN LIKE SOME CONNECTOR DITCHES IN BETWEEN THE TWO CHANNELS SO THAT THEY CAN EQUALIZE FLOW IN CASE OF A BACKUP AND THEY JUST GO THE, THEIR NATURAL WAY.

EVENTUALLY IT MIX IT OUT TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL CREEK THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

SO YEAH.

AND SO EXISTING AND PROPOSED, UM, IT, IT'S HARD TO SEE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH SHEET FLOW, IT LOOKS A BIT MORE CLEARER IF YOU FILTER IT TO LIKE DEPTHS OF GREATER THAN HALF A FOOT ONLY OR SO, BUT I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE FULL RESULTS.

BUT, UH, FOR A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAINS, ALL THE HOUSES ARE REMOVED FROM THE FLOODING, UH, WITH THOSE CHANNELS.

SO IF THOSE ARE SIZED PROPERLY AND THEY DIVERT FLOW AROUND THE HOUSES, YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY STRUCTURAL FLOODING FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, 1% CHANCE ESSENTIALLY.

ALRIGHT, SO, SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND ON THOSE SIX PROJECTS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF MODELING THERE.

UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, JUST IN, THERE'S A, BASICALLY A WEBSITE NOW FOR THIS FIF F STUDY.

SO, UH, THAT, THAT QR CODE, UH, AND THAT LINK AS WELL TAKES YOU TO THE KAUFMAN COUNTY WEBSITE AND I'LL JUST KIND OF SEE IF I CAN SHIFT TO SEE THAT REAL QUICK.

AND THAT'S KINDA HOW THE WEBSITE LOOKS, BUT IT JUST HAS, YOU KNOW, PROJECT HISTORY.

SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE'VE SHARED HERE TODAY, JUST IN CASE ANY OF ONE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK OR, UH, I KNOW WE PROBABLY CAN'T STUDY ANY ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, BUT WE CAN COLLECT MORE DATA AND HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF FUNDING WHERE YOU SUBMIT IT AS MORE PROJECTS TO THE STATE.

AND UH, SPECIFICALLY THERE'S LIKE AN INTERACTIVE MAP AS WELL.

SO, UH, IF THEY WANT TO SUBMIT JUST A SIMPLE CLEARY, UH, TO THROUGH THE WEBSITE OR ACTUALLY DROP A COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AREA AND SUBMIT PHOTOS, THEY CAN USE THE WEBSITE TO SUBMIT THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR INFORMATION.

ALL RIGHTY WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE, WE'RE CONCLUDED, UM, FOR THE UPDATE GUYS COMING AND SHARING ALL THIS WITH US.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS

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HAVE MORE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

THEY MAY WANT YOU TO COME BACK OUT YEAH.

AND LOOK AT SOME ISSUES.

HOPEFULLY WHEN THERE'S WATER ON THE GROUND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT.

YEAH.

HAPPENING AT, AT THAT TIME, PARTICULAR TIME WOULD BE BENEFICIAL I THINK FOR SURE.

YEAH.

WE GOT A COUPLE OF IDEAS HERE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE RAIN ACTUALLY CAUSES ANY MORE FLOODING THAN WE ALREADY HAD.

I THINK JUST BUILDING ROOFTOPS AND PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE FASTER CAUSES THE REAL ISSUE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE HOUSES THEN WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT VALLEY VIEW AROUND NOW BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY, YEAH, IT EVENTUALLY GO OFF.

BUT YEAH, EACH, EACH FEW MONTHS IT JUST KEEPS RISING THE WATER SURFACE, THE WATER LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND THE PASTURE'S GETTING THERE.

THE GOOD NEWS IS IT, IT IS ALSO BAD NEWS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INFLATION, IT'S SLOWED 'EM DOWN AND THE INTEREST RATE'S GOING UP ACTUALLY SLOWING DOWN ROAD HOUSING, BUILDING DOWN SOME, SO IT'S SLOWING THIS PROCESS DOWN AND MAYBE, MAYBE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER WE'LL CATCH UP WITH IT IN SOME KIND OF GRANTS OR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE IT GETS WHERE IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.

AND THEN ONE OF OUR WAYS IN AND OUT, THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE CLOSED UP BECAUSE IT'S UNDERWATER.

YEAH.

AND IT WASHES THE ROAD OUT.

AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING THAT 5,000 CARS AND PUTTING IT ON THE 8,000 CARS THAT'S ALREADY ON THE OTHER ROAD.

SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC JAM'S GOING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

THAT ONES, IT'S A BAD THING.

IT'S A GAME OF JUST PLAYING WITH THE SES POND.

IF, IF THERE BE COORDINATION BETWEEN KAUFMAN ZAT KIND OF STYLE, THEN THAT COULD BENEFIT TO DRIVE DOWN THE WATER SURFACE.

UM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE BOOKS OR ANYTHING.

IT MAY INVOLVE A RETROFIT OF THE SES POND.

WELL, WE WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING.

YEAH.

CHAIRING US WITH US TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MM-HMM.

NEED

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A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

THANKS SO MUCH.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? NO.

SECOND.

CHRISTIAN MOORE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT.