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GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE LIKE TO WELCOME Y'ALL TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING IS FINE.
APRIL THE FOURTH DAY, IF YOU WOULD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMISSIONER MOORE LEAD US IN A INVOCATION.
AND THEN MR. COMMISSIONER BARBER'S GONNA LEAD US TO THE PLEDGES, IF YOU WILL.
STAND, PLEASE DURING THE FATHER.
LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE ASK FOR GUIDANCE, LORD, THAT WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, THE RIGHT THING.
LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LOVE THAT YOU SHOW US.
WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PROTECTION THAT YOU GAVE OUR OFFICERS OTHER NIGHT IN THE CHASE.
WE JUST, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING PRESENT IN OUR LIVES EACH AND EVERY DAY.
AND WE ASK THESE SAINTS SON'S HOLY NAME.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INVISIBLE.
[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]
OKAY.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE? UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CORRESPONDENCE, BUT I NOTICED WE HAVE THIS PART OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY LEADERSHIP CLASS OUT HERE TODAY.
SO WE OUGHT TO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA]
NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE A DISCUSSED CONSIDER ACCEPTING COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH THE 28TH OF 2023, AND B, DISCUSSED CONSIDERED ACCEPTING A ADAPTATION OF DIANA RUSSELL FOR THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT MR. PHELPS MAKES A MOTION TO SECOND.
[3. Lauren Rowe/Courtney Wortham; Discuss/Consider approving the proclamation to proclaim the month of April as Child Abuse Prevention and Awareness Month.]
MOVE DOWN TO NUMBER THREE.LAUREN ROWE AND COURTNEY WORTHHAM, DISCUSS, CONSIDER, ARE APPROVING THE PROCLAMATION TO PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL, THIS CHILD ABBU ABUSE PREVENTION AND AWARENESS MONTH.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CHILD WELFARE BOARD.
I'M HERE WITH LAUREN ROWE, AND WE ARE HOPING THAT THE COURT WOULD HONOR US IN ASKING FOR THAT PROCLAMATION AND HONOR FOR APRIL BEING CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION AND AWARENESS MONTH.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR EVENT AT 1130.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING THIS AND FOR COMMITTING, UM, BASICALLY TO RECOGNIZING CHILD ABUSE HAPPENS IN THIS COUNTY, UM, AND DOING, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT, FIGHTING THAT, UM, AND LEADERSHIP.
UH, WE WOULD WELCOME YOU AT THE EVENT, UM, TODAY AT 1130 AT THE JUSTICE CENTER.
SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR PROCLAIMING THIS.
I WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WILL SIGN IT.
AND THEN AT 1130 TODAY IN THE CEREMONIAL COURTROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR, THE JUSTICE CENTER, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO BE THERE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, IF YOU WEAR BLUE, THAT'S GOOD.
I SEE A LOT OF BLUE OUT THERE,
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL READ THIS.
THEN WE'LL GET A DID YOU BRING A CAMERA? WE GET A PICTURE.
THERE IS A CONSENSUS AMONG THE COUNTRY THAT IS NECESSARY TO BUILD STRONG AND SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITIES THAT NOT ONLY AID FAMILIES WHEN THEY'RE IN A CRISIS, BUT THE INTENTIONAL AND SUPPORTING THEM BEFORE THEY'RE IN CRISIS.
THE UNIVERSAL CHALLENGES FACED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS HAVE COMPOUNDED THE STRUGGLES OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE'RE ALREADY FACING THE HEIGHTENED URGENCY FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT WHAT THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS DOING TO SUPPORT THESE CHILDREN EACH YEAR.
THE MONTH OF APRIL IS DEDICATED TO RECOGNIZE THE CRITICAL WORK BEING DONE ACROSS THE GREAT STATE TO HELP FAMILIES AND SUPPORT CHILDREN BY OFFERING THEM ACCESSIBLE LIFELINES THAT MITIGATE THE CHALLENGES THEY FACE BEHIND MANY FAMILIES THAT HAVE SUCCEEDED THROUGH THESE CHALLENGES ARE STRONG COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE A WAY FOR FAMILIES TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.
CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE SUPPORTED EVERY DAY THROUGH THE DILIGENT WORK AND TIRELESS ADVOCACY UNDERTAKEN BY THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY FAMILIES, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, HOUSES OF FAITH, ADVOCACY GROUPS, NONPROFITS, SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, SOCIAL WORKERS AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONS HERE THAT DO HELP.
AND I'M GONNA MENTION THOSE BRIEFLY, THEN WE'LL READ THE ENTIRE THING.
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THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.MOST EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY DO.
WE HAVE THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, AND THAT HELPS A LOT OF OUR CHILDREN HERE IN THIS COUNTY.
WE HAVE THE KAUFMAN COUNTY CHILD WELFARE BOARD, LONE STAR CASA.
IT'S A COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATES FOR OUR CHILDREN.
WE HAVE REACH AS CHILD PLACEMENT AGENCY IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING FOSTER HOMES FOR OUR KIDS WHO NEED IT.
THE BIKERS AGAINST CHILDREN'S ABUSE, THAT'S AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION.
THEY AFFIRM NORA SHELTER FOUNDATION DEDICATED TO HANSON QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
AND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL DO A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK.
YOU RAISE FUNDS, YOU GET PEOPLE INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HELP OUR CHILDREN TODAY CUZ THEY'RE UNDER STRESS.
IS THAT, IN MY DAY, WE DIDN'T FACE THESE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, UH, DRUGS WEREN'T THERE.
WELL, THEY WERE, BUT NOT LIKE THEY ARE ARE TODAY PREVALENT.
THE PRESSURES ARE MORE TODAY THAN THEN.
IT'S, UH, I'D HATE TO BE A TEENAGER TODAY.
AND FACE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.
SO THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO AND WE WILL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.
AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.
LET'S ALL COME UP, DOWN AND WE'LL GET A PICTURE.
Y'ALL STAND UP HERE? YEAH, WE CAN.
YOU WANTS TO EAT 1130? YES MA'AM.
NO, IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, JUDGE, I NEED A MOTION.
MS. LAURA REMINDED ME TO DO THAT.
[4. Susan Gulig; Discuss/Consider updates/requests for the Humane Society of North Texas regarding daily operations of the Kaufman County Pet Adoption Center.]
FOUR, SUSAN GOK DISCUSSED CONSIDERED UPDATES REQUEST FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF NORTH TEXAS REGARDING DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY PET ADOPTION CENTER.WELL, SINCE I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I SUBMITTED THE DETAILED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN FROM MARCH, UH, THROUGH DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO, UM, I ASSUME EVERYONE GOT A COPY OF THOSE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD WITH I DO OTHER ITEMS? SURE.
ON THE STAFF EXPENSES, SALARIES AND WAGES, UHHUH
IT'S ONLY THE PEOPLE SIGNED HERE.
THERE'S NO OVERHEAD CHARGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND WHAT IS PR TAX? PAYROLL TAXES.
AND THEN DOWN, UH, VET MEDICAL PHARMACY, UHHUH.
IT'S ONLY THE EVERY, WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT CODE FOR HERE.
SO ANY VACCINES, MEDICATIONS, UM, WHAT ELSE IS INCLUDED IN THERE? SYRINGES, DEWORMER, FLEE AND TICK PREVENTION.
ANYTHING THAT'S TAKEN AND CHARGED TO, UH, THIS FACILITY IS WHAT'S CHARGED THERE.
AGAIN, NO OVERHEAD PERCENTAGES OR ANYTHING.
AND SO THE, UH, UNDER OTHER EXPENSES, YOU HAVE OTHER CONTRACT SERVICES.
YOU GOT CLEANING SERVICE IN WHICH WE ALREADY PAY FOR THAT, RIGHT? IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT.
IT'S INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT MANAGEMENT SERVICE NUMBER.
AND THEN THE CONTRACT VET SERVICES THERE.
AND THE CONTRACT SPAY NEUTER SERVICES, THEY'RE BOTH LOCAL.
SO THE CONTRACT VET SERVICES ARE WITH WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES OR LIKE A PAR A DOG WITH PARVO VIRUS THAT WE NEED TO TREAT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, WE GO TO KAUFMAN VET CENTER, KINGS COUNTY OR KINGS CREEK.
AND THEN, UM, THE CONTRACT SPAY NEUTER SERVICES ARE WITH SPAY NEUTER NETWORK IN C CRANDLE.
SO FROM THERE YOU CAN SEE THE DETAIL OF HOW WE HAD A NET LOSS SO FAR THIS YEAR OF UM, JUST UNDER 21,000.
AND THEN LAST YEAR IT WAS A NET LOSS OF 308,000.
IN THE PREVIOUS, WHEN I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, I SHOWED THERE'S SOME MITIGATION CUZ WE MOVED SOME OF THE ANIMALS OUT OF HERE AND WE'RE ABLE TO ADOPT THEM ELSEWHERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND KEEP TRACK OF THAT AND I'LL HAVE THAT UPDATED IN THE INFORMATION I GIVE YOU MONTHLY FROM NOW ON.
UM, ALSO SINCE, UH, I WAS HERE LAST, WE HAVE OFFICIALLY SCHEDULED A VACCINE CLINIC AT THE PET ADOPTION CENTER.
IT'LL BE AT ON SATURDAY, MAY 6TH, UH, FROM 10 TO TWO FOR DOGS AND CATS.
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OUT ABOUT IT.RABIES VACCINATIONS WILL BE $5.
THE DISTEMPER PARVO VI UH, VACCINE WILL BE FREE FROM A GRANT FROM PETCO LOVE.
AND THEN MICROCHIPPING WILL BE $15.
SO WE HOPE TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE WHO NEED THOSE SERVICES COME THROUGH AT THAT TIME.
WE THINK IT'LL JUST PROMOTE THE, THE, THE FACILITY SO PEOPLE GET TO KNOW WHERE IT IS.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR A 2,520 $500 GRANT FROM A LOCAL DISTRIBUTOR TO FUND SPAY NEUTER VOUCHERS, SPECIFICALLY FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.
THAT'LL FUND ABOUT 35 SPAY NEUTER SURGERIES.
UM, AND WE'LL PRINT UP SEPARATE VOUCHERS THAT'LL HAVE THE, UM, SPONSOR'S NAME ON IT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDING ON THAT SO THAT THAT'LL GET SPAYING AND NEUTERING PETS IS THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO THE PET OVERPOPULATION HERE? SURE.
SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE SPONSORS FOR THOSE THINGS TOO.
WE'VE SCHEDULED ADOPTION EVENTS.
UM, WE HELD ONE AT THE HEARTLAND HOP ALONG LAST SATURDAY.
I THINK THERE WERE THREE ADOPTIONS THERE.
WE'VE GOT, WE'LL BE AT THE KAUFMAN FARMER'S MARKET ON MAY 13TH FROM 10 TO ONE.
WE'LL BE AT HEARTLAND'S 4TH OF JULY EVENT ON JULY 2ND.
AND THEN PAM CORER HAS FORWARDED SOME INFORMATION ON THE KEMP WILD KEMP WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL ON APRIL 8TH AND THE TERRELL JUBILEE ON APRIL 23RD.
I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED WHETHER WE'RE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REGISTERING FOR THOSE.
I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT WE'VE FINALIZED THAT YET.
BUT WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE LOCAL EVENTS AND WE WANNA BE PRESENT THERE.
UH, ON THE COMMUNICATION SIDE, OUR KAUFMAN FACEBOOK PAGE IS UP AND RUNNING NOW AND IT'S H S N T, KAUFMAN COUNTY PET ADOPTION.
AND IT'LL ONLY TALK ABOUT THE PETS THAT ARE AVAILABLE HERE AND SERVICES, LIKE ALL THE THINGS I WAS JUST TELLING YOU ABOUT WILL PROMOTE LOCALLY HERE.
UM, ON THE OPERATION SIDE, THE DOGS ARE NO LONGER, UH, ON HOLD FOR CANINE INFLUENZA, SO GLAD TO REPORT THAT.
AND, UM, A FEW OF THEM STILL HAVE JUST REGULAR KEN COUGH, BUT WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE PETS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THAT.
BUT NOT THE CANINE INFLUENZA ANYMORE.
UH, I, I SPOKE WITH LYNETTE AINSWORTH AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF CEDAR CREEK LAKE, UM, ABOUT HER OPERATIONS WHEN SHE WAS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
SHE THOUGHT THERE WAS ABOUT 900 PETS A YEAR COMING THROUGH AND ON.
THE INFORMATION I'D PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND OWNER SURRENDERS AND STRAYS, WE TOOK IN ALMOST 2000 LAST YEAR.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF ACTIVITY IS UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST CUZ IT'S CLOSER AND IT'S HERE, BUT WHO KNOWS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO SERVE.
UM, SHE WAS SAYING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE ALL LAMENTING THE OPERATING COST OF INCREASE.
WE BOTH WERE WORKING WITH A S P C ON TRANSPORTS OUT OF THE AREA.
AND I MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT THOSE HAVE STOPPED BECAUSE OF THE, UM, ILLNESS IN TEXAS.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THAT'LL BE ANOTHER BIG SOLUTION TO ALL OF THE PET OVER POPULATION HERE.
WHEN WE CAN PUT THE DOGS ON A PLANE AND FLY 'EM OUT OF THE AREA.
LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, CATS ARE GOING ON PLANES TO BOSTON, WHO KNEW? BUT THAT'S STILL GOING ON.
BUT DOGS, WE STILL NEED TO HAVE A LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR THAT
AND IN SPEAKING WITH OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, I, I DID TALK TO TERRILL AND, UM, KAUFMAN AND C CRANDAL.
WELL, TERRILL DOESN'T USE THE HUMANE SOCIETY, BUT THE FEES HAVE GONE UP SINCE, UM, THE, UH, THE COUNTIES MOVED OVER AND, AND IS WORKING WITH US NOW.
SO, LIKE I SAID, EVERYONE'S COSTS ARE GOING UP ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE.
I CAN EITHER EMAIL THEM TO YOU OR I HAVE A HANDOUT HERE IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT 'EM.
GIVE A COPY TO FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD TOO.
OTHERWISE I WOULD EMAIL THEM TO YOU.
DO YOU WANT CUT ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE? THANK YOU.
AND YEAH, I'LL JUST HAND THIS, I'LL GIVE THIS OUT EVERY MONTH WITH THE THANK YOU.
AND SO WITH THIS, JUST LOOKING AT, UM, THE FIRST PAGE IS THE SUMMARY OF BOTH INFLOW AND OUTFLOW.
AND THEN NEXT PAGE SHOWS INTAKE BY MONTH.
AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS, UH, OUT, UH, OUTCOMES BY MONTH.
SO WE TOOK IN A TOTAL OF 520 PETS IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF, SO THIS IS ALL CALENDAR YEAR INFORMATION.
UM, WE HAD, UH, SO MOST OF THAT IS FROM, MOST OF THE INTAKE IS FROM THE COUNTY.
256 FROM THE COUNTY, 26 FROM MAYBANK.
WE HAD OWNER SURRENDERS OF 1 26 STRAYS OF 84.
THIS IS LIKE ON THE OWNER SURRENDERS AND STRAYS.
UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WE TRANSFERRED IN SOMEONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE CATS AND THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
THIS WILL ONLY BE OWNERS OR COUNTY, UH, THINGS GOING FORWARD.
SO WE WILL NEVER TRANSFER IN ANY OTHER ANIMALS TO THIS FACILITY.
ON THE OUTCOME SIDE, WE HAD 101 ADOPTIONS, UH, RETURN TO OWNERS OR TRANSFERS OUT OF THE AREA.
SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 25% OF THE INTAKE THAT CAME IN.
THE OTHER, WHEN YOU SEE DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM TRANSFER TO OTHER HS N T FACILITIES.
SO IT'S 384 PETS ARE ROUGHLY 75% OF
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THE PETS THAT CAME IN HERE.WE'VE TRANSFERRED OUT TO OTHER LOCATIONS.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S, IT PUTS A STRAIN ON US LOGISTICALLY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS OUR KIND OF PRIMARY INTAKE NOW WE'RE, WE'RE REDUCING INTAKE AT OUR FORT WORTH FACILITY.
UM, SO WE'VE JUST STARTED DOING THAT WITH THE, UM, JUST AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN JUST THE LAST WEEK.
UM, SO I LOOKED AT FROM MARCH 27TH THROUGH APRIL 3RD, I KNOW THE COUNTY, IT'S MOVED THE ANIMAL CONTROLS MOVEMENT UNDER THE SHERIFF AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA HIRE ANOTHER ANIMAL CONTROL PERSON.
WHICH IS GONNA INCREASE THE NUMBERS OVER THESE.
UH, BUT JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, SO THIS WAS A MONDAY TO MONDAY, UM, BUT I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ONLY HAD INTAKES FROM MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY UNTIL THEY GET THE SECOND PERSON.
SO THAT WAS 60 FROM THE COUNTY, ONE FROM MAYBANK.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD OWNER SURRENDERS OF 18, UH, OWNER SURRENDERS OF EIGHT.
AND THEN, UM, CITIZENS BROUGHT IN 18 STRAY DOGS TOO.
SO ONE THING THERE, THERE WAS, OUT OF THAT 61 DOGS, 24 WERE PUPPIES, 20 WERE LARGE DOGS, 17 WERE MEDIUM AND SMALL DOGS.
AND IT'S REALLY THE LARGE DOGS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT KIND OF CREATES THE BOTTLENECK.
THERE'S ALSO A LOGISTICS PROBLEM.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S ASTRAY THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE COUNTY OR AN OWNER, OWNER BRINGING IN ASTRAY HAS TO BE HELD FOR 72 HOURS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ON A WEEK, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KENNELS TO HOLD THEM FOR THE 72 HOURS.
SO IT CREATES THIS LOGISTICAL PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE MOVING 'EM OUT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA MOVE.
THE STRAY HOLDS OUT BECAUSE THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO MOVE 'EM BACK.
BUT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST WE NEED TO FIND A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
I'M JUST GONNA BE REAL TRANSPARENT WITH ALL THE INFORMATION.
LIKE I SAID, LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS PAYING AND NEUTERING PETS.
SO WITH THAT, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE CONTACTED THE CITIES OF KAUFMAN, TERRA AND CRANDLE.
THEY'RE ALL INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE SHELTER.
BUT WITH THE NUMBERS I JUST SHOWED YOU, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT SPACE UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE DO THREE TRANSPORTS A WEEK OUT OF HERE BACK TO FORT WORTH, WILL THAT GET A REGULAR FLOW GOING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST STARTING THAT.
UM, IDEALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO AND ALSO BUILD MORE FOSTERS AND UM, OBVIOUSLY MORE ADOPTIONS HERE TOO THAT GETS THE PETS OUT OF THE AREA TOO.
SO, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH MORE COMMUNICATION AND ADOPTIONS, GETTING WORD OUT THROUGH THESE LOCAL EVENTS, GETTING MORE FOSTERS, WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE OF A STEADY STATE HERE.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY TO MOVE THEM BACK TO OUR FACILITY.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, KIND OF GIVEN THE FINANCIALS THAT I SHOWED YOU, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, ASK FOR IT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING THE $10,000 A MONTH MANAGEMENT FEE PLUS THE REIMBURSED CLEANING FEE.
I JUST SORT OF CALL THAT A WASH.
BUT $10,000 A MONTH MANAGEMENT FEE.
I'D LIKE TO INCREASE THAT FOR EIGHT WEEKS FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL AND MAY FOR ANOTHER 5,000.
CUZ I'M GONNA LOOK AT WILL THE ADOPTION FEES FROM THE PETS THAT WE MOVE BACK TO OUR FACILITIES OFFSET THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR US.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS FIGURE OUT AN AGREEMENT THAT WORKS BEST FOR BOTH OF US.
I DON'T THINK EITHER, EITHER YOUR, EITHER THE COUNTY OR US RIGHT.
ENVISION THIS KIND OF NUMBERS PROBLEM, BUT IT'S IN BOTH OF OUR BEST INTERESTS TO, TO FIND THAT LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR 5,000 FOR APRIL, MAY, AND THEN COME BACK AT THE END OF MAY TO WHERE WE'D KNOW WHETHER THIS TEMPORARY SOLUTION OF MORE TRANSPORTS OUT IS WORKABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN IF WE CAN GET MORE, UM, PETS IN FROM THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE.
SO I'M NOT TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE COUNTY FOR ALL THE REVENUE.
SO, AND THEN LIKE I SAID, GETTING MORE ADOPTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY WE KEEP THE ADOPTION REVENUE TOO, SO I'M JUST GONNA, I DON'T WANNA ASK FOR SOME LONG-TERM THING NOW.
I REALLY JUST WANT TO TRY OUT THINGS, SEE IF IT WORKS, COME BACK AND KEEP WORKING WITH YOU ON IT.
OF THE ONES YOU'VE TAKEN IN IN LAST MONTH, SO THEY'RE STRICTLY FROM IN COUNTY, NOT ANY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, RIGHT? NO O OTHER THAN MAYBANK WHERE WE HAVE THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
NO OTHER MUNICIPALITY IS BRINGING THEIR PETS.
BUT ANY COUNTY RESIDENT, SEE BEFORE WE WERE NOT TAKING OWNER SURRENDERS OR STRAYS.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS CREATING A, AN ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TAKING AN OWNER'S AND STRAYS, SO OKAY.
WE DO LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVER'S LICENSE AND THING, BUT, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE FROM? WHERE THEY'RE FROM? YES.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU'D WANNA KNOW LIKE, WHERE WAS THE PET FROM? THAT'S WHY LIKE WHEN THE SHERIFF, WHEN THE ANIMAL CONTROL PEOPLE BRING UP, THEY KNOW THAT IT WAS PICKED UP IN THE COUNTY.
WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WAY OF SAYING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY JUST TO DROP IT OFF HERE.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
WE'D HATE FOR SOMETHING IN, YOU KNOW, DALLAS COUNTY TO COME DRIVE DOWN HERE AND AND DROP IT OFF TOO.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE WITHOUT IT BEING, I'M SURE, I'M SURE WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT.
WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME OF THAT AND CAUSE PEOPLE GO OUT TO A COUNTY ROAD AND SAY, YEAH.
AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE KIND OF LOCAL, UM, I THINK IT'S KAUFMAN COUNTY BREAKING NEWS THAT, UM, FACEBOOK PAGE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FINDING LIKE LITTERS OF PUPPIES.
WELL LITTERS OF PUPPIES JUST DON'T WANDER
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OFFSO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN TO, WE'RE HERE FOR THE ANIMALS.
I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN FROM COMAN COUNTY, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW PERSON DOWN THE STREET.
BUT YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCIAL PROBLEM IS THAT WE SET A BUDGET.
AND, AND WE DON'T JUST HAVE RANDOM MONEY TO TOSS AROUND.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET IN TROUBLE.
I, UM, I SET A BUDGET AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A 300,000 NET LOSS FROM COFFMAN EITHER.
WELL, I MEAN, THE BEGINNING IT LOOKED LIKE AMERICAN AIRLINES, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS LOSE ALL THESE BILLIONS AND DOLLARS OVER HERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY STAY IN BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T WANNA DO GUYS THAT, UH, WELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TO TALK ABOUT IS ALL THE, THE PUBLIC PLACES WE HAVE, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO EXTEND SOME KIND OF EVENTS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE I HAD A, I WAS AT LOWE'S THIS WEEKEND IN FORNEY MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHY ESPECIALLY WELL, I KNOW COFFMAN ONES.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC YEAH.
STORES THAT ARE REALLY BIG, BIG SHOPPING CENTERS IN RIGHT.
WE'RE AT THE PETCO IN TERELL CUZ AND WE HAVE CATS THERE.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT OTHER PLACES.
I THINK WE MENTIONED, YOU SAID ATWOOD AND WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES.
THEY WERE FROM SEVILLE, DALLAS COUNTY.
PEOPLE OUT IN OUR COUNTY, THEY'RE GIVING AWAY DOGS AND YEAH.
WE DON'T CARE WHO ADOPTS THEM.
WELL, I TOLD YOU LAST TIME THERE WERE 90 PEOPLE FROM FORT WORTH WHO DROVE HERE TO ADOPT PETS.
SO THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE WORD OUT, PEOPLE WILL COME HERE FOR IT.
UM, THE ONE THING IS, IS WHAT THE MORE WE DO THESE OFFSITE EVENTS THAT STAFF THAT HAS TO GO DO THAT, BUT WE STILL GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THE PETS HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA COME BACK AND SAY WE DO USE YOUR VOLUNTEERS TO DO THOSE THINGS.
WE NEED TO ADD MORE VOLUNTEERS.
BUT WE WOULD YES, FOR DEFINITELY FOR OFFSITE EVENTS, HAVE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FORT WORTH FUND EVERYTHING WE CAN.
SO WE WANNA BE OUT AND ABOUT AND GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE'RE HERE AND, UM, AND TAKE THE PETS WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
THAT'S, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
AND I KNOW THAT ALSO THE OTHER THING, LIKE WHEN WE, WHEN WE USED OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT BEFORE MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, AND THEY GOT ON ALL THE FACEBOOK RIGHT.
AND IT'D, IT'D BE SHOCKED TO HAVE MANY OF 'EM YEAH.
WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO GET 'EM BACK TO THE OWNER.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO STAY IN SHELTER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD THEM 72 HOURS.
YOU NEED TO BE ACTIVE ON THEIR, ON THEIR CLOSE COUNT AND THEY'LL ALLOW YOU ON IT.
IF YOU CONTACT DEVONSHIRE, THEY WILL L YOU ON THEIR PLATE.
WE POST THE PETS THAT CAME IN SAYING, YOU KNOW, FIND THE OWNER AND ANYONE KNOW WHO THESE PETS ARE, BUT WE NEED TO, IF IT'S JUST ON YOUR OTHER PLACES, IF IT'S JUST ON YOURS, THEY MIGHT NOT BE LOOKING AT IT.
AND I THINK PAM CAN PROBABLY HELP YOU WITH THAT.
SHE KNOWS HOW TO GET, GET AHOLD OF ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM TRAVIS RANCH TO DEVONSHIRE TO WINDMILL FARMS TO, IT'S VERY EASY TO, AND I DON'T KNOW Y'ALL OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLACES, HEARTLAND, I GUESS HAVE THE SAME THING.
AND THEY DON'T ALLOW OUTSIDE PEOPLE, BUT THAT'LL ALLOW YOU.
WELL LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONE, WE DO ADOPTION EVENTS THERE, SO YEAH.
SO, SO WE WILL GET LISTS OF WHATEVER KIND OF LOCAL SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE CAN JUST TAG THEM WITH ALL OF THESE LOST ANIMALS SO THAT THEY CAN THAT'S WHAT I'M, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
WE JUST GOTTA PROMOTE IT MORE AND MORE.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW IT, IT'S HARD AND IT'S A BIG JOB, BUT THAT'S FREE TOO.
TAGGING PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS FREE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL, IT'S EASY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M ABOUT.
IF, IF WE CAN GET THE WORD OUT ENOUGH YEP.
THEN MAYBE SOME MORE PEOPLE AND EVEN YOU CAN HAVE PET OF THE MONTH OR MM-HMM.
I NEVER SEEN ONE ON MY FACEBOOK, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, I, I'M, I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER MM-HMM.
IF SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER IT DOESN'T GET ONTO A PAGE THAT RIGHT.
WE LOOK AT RIGHT THEN WE NEVER SEE IT.
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT YEAH.
I DIFFERENT PAGES NOW, YOU KNOW, FROM, WE'RE ON INSTAGRAM, ALL THESE, I, THEY MIGHT NOT BE HERE LONG IF THEY KEEP LISTENING TO THE NEWS.
BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S SO MANY I AGREE.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE ANY INFORMATION AS TO LIKE, WHAT ARE THE BEST RESOURCES TO TAG SHARE.
SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS GUYS? SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? I DON'T KNOW, ASKING FOR 5,000 FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE MM-HMM.
IT IS IN ADDITION BECAUSE WE, WE GET 10 CONTRACTUALLY PLUS THE REIMBURSEMENT.
YOU FINISH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, YOU GAVE THEM AN EXTRA 15,000.
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YOU HAVEN'T PAID THAT FOR APRIL CUZ YOU'VE ONLY APPROVED IT FOR THREE MONTHS.I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL DOES INCLUDED THE OTHER 15 OR NO, THAT 15, THAT 15 HAS CEASED.
I JUST NEEDED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'RE FIXING TO WRITE THOSE CHECKS.
SO FOR APRIL AND MAY, SHE'S REQUESTING 5,000 FOR EACH MONTH.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THE MONEY? I'LL FIND IT.
ME, JUST LEAVE HER YOUR CHECKBOOK.
THIS, YOU KNOW, I I I WAS READING THROUGH THE CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING AND, UH, I THINK A LOT OF THE IDEALS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP NOW POST SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BEGINNING.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT HAPPENS.
UH, BUT I THINK, UH, LOOKING INTO THIS FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT OF, HEY, HERE, LATELY WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS MM-HMM.
SO I THINK WITH THE NEW BOARD THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO, YOU KNOW, APPOINT MM-HMM.
NOT THAT THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD BUDGET THIS.
UH, THE GOAL GOING INTO THIS WAS NOT THAT THE COUNTY HAD A ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER THAT WE CONTRACTED WITH YOU, YOU GUYS THAT ARE PROFESSIONALS AT THIS AND, AND KNOW HOW THE JOB WORKS.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE TIGHT ON BUDGET WISE.
SO I, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULDN'T JUST LET, LET THE BOARD AND YOU GUYS GET TO KINDA SEE IF Y'ALL CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITH THE EVENTS THAT'S COMING UP TO SEE IF, UH, WELL, I, INSTEAD OF TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET, I MEAN, WE'RE ABOUT TO GO ON THE BUDGET YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST MISCARRIAGE TRYING TO FIND, UNDERSTAND I'M ALREADY HAD A $20,000 LOSS THAT I DIDN'T BUDGET SO FAR THROUGH JUST JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, AND I DON'T HAVE 'EM ON MARCH NUMBERS EITHER.
THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THERE'S JUST MORE PETS THAN WE THOUGHT WHEN THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER.
BUT IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO GO BACK, LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND I MEAN, I THINK THE CONTRACT IS SOLID.
UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY NEW ADVENTURE GETS OFF ON MAYBE IN A LITTLE ROUGH START.
AND I THINK WE ARE HEADED IN A BETTER DIRECTION MM-HMM.
AND IT'S JUST GOING TAKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO SEE IF IT'S GONNA WORK OR NOT WORK.
THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
SUSAN, CAN I GET A COPY OF YOUR FINANCIALS? OH, I DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW, BUT SURE.
YOU CAN GET ME A COPY, PLEASE, MA'AM.
OH, I CAN, I THINK THAT EVERY, EVERY, UH, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION HAS A ROUGH TIME.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THE, THE, YOU KNOW, OPERATION KINDNESS, YOU KNOW, I USED TO HELP THEM YEARS AGO MM-HMM.
AND WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED UP, THEY HAD, IT WAS ROUGH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T, AND IT STILL IS.
I MEAN, IF, IF PEOPLE DON'T DONATE OR GIVE THEIR TIME MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU UNITED WAY OR, OR RED CROSS, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT AND BEG PEOPLE FOR MONEY FOR YOUR CALLS AND THAT'S HOW YOU RUN THE OPERATION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET TO MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, BUT THESE ARE, IT COMES BACK TO IT, IT IS OUR DOGS MM-HMM.
SO AT SOME POINT, EITHER WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT IF WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO OUR, I THINK TO OUR LIST, I THINK MAYBE IT'D BE BETTER IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A NUMBER THAT WE WERE SAYING THAT WE WOULD PAY FAR.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WELL WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT, BUT I MEANT WE'VE GOT EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
THEY WE'RE PROBABLY EROSION, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT WAS.
WELL, I'M, I'M SAYING, AND I THINK THAT BECOMES BY, BY PRICE.
I THINK THAT BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHETHER, IS THIS A COUNTY OPERATION OR IS IT A PUBLIC OPERATION AT THIS POINT? IT'S A PUBLIC OPERATION.
SO YOU HAVE A LARGE, SO IF YOU WENT BACK AND RESTRICTED IT SAID IT'S ONLY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOGS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A POPULATION PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE OF THE BOOM.
BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC PUBLIC DEAL.
SO IT CREATES A BIGGER PROBLEM AGREEING, I THINK THAT'S BEYOND OUR SCOPE TO SIT THERE AND TRY TO FINANCE A PUBLIC OPERATION.
THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVE MONEY BACK WHEN WE WEREN'T TAKING OWNER SURRENDERS AND STRAYS.
SO I'M AGREEING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE, LIKE WE DO OUR CHARITIES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF OUR CHARITIES, THEN WE OUGHT TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, WELL, WE THINK THAT
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THE MOST THAT WE COULD, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, IS A NUMBER JUST SAYING THAT WE COULD CONTRIBUTE THIS.WHETHER IT'S, IF WE FIGURE OUT THAT WE SAY, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE HIM A THOUSAND DOGS, BUT WE ONLY WANT TO PAY FOR 500 OF 'EM.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING WE JUST NEED THE NUMBER BECAUSE WE ARE BUDGET RESTRICTED.
I AND WE CAN'T KEEP AMENDING THE BUDGET.
I DON'T LIKE COMING BACK AND ASKING YOU FOR NO, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN'T, MY LAW, WE JUST CAN'T.
TERRY, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS $5,000 IS GONNA GET YOU THROUGH APRIL AND THEN ANOTHER 5,000 IN MAY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE EIGHT WEEKS TO SEE HOW WITH A SECOND ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, WHAT THAT NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WITH US DOING THREE TORRANCE, THREE TRANSPORTS OUT OF HERE EACH WEEK, IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE 'EM OUT AND GET 'EM ADOPTED, WHICH HELPS SUPPLEMENT OUR INCOME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS OTHER INCOME.
YOUR GOAL HERE TO, TO GET AWAY FROM THE COUNTY FUNDING AND WHAT I MEAN TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THE CONTRACT WAS MODELED AFTER KELLER AND HEARST AND THOSE ARE IN MORE, BUT THERE'S MORE OF A BALANCE.
LIKE I SAID, KAUFMAN, KAUFMAN, KELLER, WE TAKE IN 500 ANIMALS, BUT WE ADOPT 1500 THERE.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, STRAY PROBLEM.
HUST TAKES IN, WE TOOK IN ABOUT 600 LAST YEAR.
SO WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OUT THERE.
AND NO ONE WAS EXPECTING THAT.
YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING IT? I WASN'T EXPECTING IT.
WELL, I EXPECT SO WE JUST NEED TO GET IT FLOATED.
IT'S A BIGGER, A CITY HAS BOUNDARIES YES.
AFTER THE DOG COMPLETELY LAWS EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT OUT HERE SO MUCH.
SO WHERE ARE WE GUYS? WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WELL, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE BLEEDING'S GOTTA STOP SOMEWHERE AND I JUST, MY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK WITHIN OUR BUDGETS AND EVEN OUR PERSONAL BUDGETS.
I DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY I CAN GO TO AND ASK FOR $5,000 IF I NEED IT TO GET ME THROUGH NEXT MONTH.
AND, UM, I JUST THINK THIS CONSTANTLY COMING BACK TO US IS JUST, IT'S GOTTA STOP AT SOME POINT.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH DOING THIS.
I THINK THAT SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHIN Y'ALL'S ORGANIZATION TO MAKE THIS WORK.
THEN IT'S NOT CARING FOR ANIMALS.
WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION IS I GOTTA CUT STAFF, WHICH MEANS I CAN'T CARE FOR THE ANIMALS.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST EXPENSE, AS YOU SEE IS STAFF EXPENSES.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S MY ONLY LEVER,
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK US PUTTING THIS BOARD INTO PLACE IS GOING TO BRING DIFFERENT IDEALS TO THE TABLE FOR YOU GUYS.
SO THAT, AND THEN THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT KNOW PEOPLE TO HELP WITH THE VOLUNTEER ISSUES, HELP WITH THE SITE LOCATION.
SO I, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING.
JUST, I'M LOOKING FORWARD THE BOARD ITSELF TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY THRIVE IT, YOU KNOW, ADOPTION, A FEW, FEW GOOD CORPORATE SPONSORS WOULD REALLY HELP 'EM.
AND SOMEBODY THAT COULD REALLY HELP.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ASK IF YOU CAN, IF WE CAN GET THE ENTREE INTO THE RIGHT PERSON AT ANY COMPANY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WELL, I TELL YOU, LET'S, LET'S CONSIDER THIS.
IT'S JUST CONSIDERATION ONCE YOUR BOARD'S IN PLACE MM-HMM.
AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT INROADS WE HAVE MADE.
MAYBE WITH SOME CORPORATIONS, THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG CORPORATIONS IN THE COUNTY WHO MIGHT WRITE THOSE CHECKS OR DONATE.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE TIED TO PURINA SOMEHOW FOR JUST FOR FOOD.
THAT'S ALL FOR FOOD, BUT MM-HMM.
AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? YOU'RE SMILING THERE.
SO I, I'M CONTRACTUALLY BOUND TO TAKE PURINA FOOD.
WE CAN, IF SOMEONE DONATES FOOD, WE CAN GIVE IT TO THE CITIZENS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SET UP A SO IF A BIG ORGANIZATION DONATED TO DOGS THAT WASN'T PURINA, YOU WOULD NOT TAKE IT.
I CAN'T CONTRACTUALLY TAKE IT.
IT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE THE PRIVATE VERSUS GOVERNMENT COMES INTO PLAY HERE.
THAT WE'RE PROVIDING COUNTY FUNDING FOR PRIVATE OPERATIONS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.
NOW I WILL TELL YOU THIS, IF SOMEONE'S WILLING TO DO THAT ON A LONG-TERM BASIS, CUZ I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO BE HUNTING FOR FOOD EVERY MONTH.
IF, IF SOMEONE'S WILLING TO DONATE THE FOOD FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY FOR SOME EXTENT PERIOD OF TIME, I CAN GET OUT OF MY CONTRACT FOR PURINA, FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY KIND OF A THING.
I JUST CAN'T DO THAT EVERY MONTH.
YOU'RE CONTRACT IN PURINA, YOU CAN ONLY FEED HIM PURINA.
I GOT SIGNS THAT SAY I'M AND THEY, YOU ENOUGH FOOD TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE ANIMALS.
THEY DON'T GIVE IT, I HAVE STILL HAVE TO BUY IT, BUT IT'S AT DISCOUNTED RATE.
SO, SO WE CAN TALKS ALL GOOD IDEAS, COWS COME HOME, I'LL SAY WE DO.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? LET'S, I NEED A MOTION.
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TO PASS ON THE FUNDING PART OF THIS AND COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I GOT THE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER MOORE.
PASS ON IT FOR TWO WEEKS AND COME BACK SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER BARBARA.
AYE YOU MAKING TRIMS?
WE'LL GET TO, WE'LL GET, GET YOUR, I'LL ASK SOME PEOPLE THAT I KNOW.
MAYBE SOMEBODY CONTRIBUTING MONEY.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE HERE IN THE SCHEDULE IF SOME OF Y'ALL NEED TO LEAVE.
IT'S, THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TO SAY FOR THIS WHOLE THING.
YOU'RE GONNA MISS THE EXCITING PART.
THIS Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND LAY, Y'ALL MISS THE EXCITING PART.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE, UH, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT IN FRONT OF NUMBER FIVE.
SO 6, 7, 8 WILL BE COME NUMBER FIVE.
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AND THEN WE'LL PICK NUMBER FIVE UP AFTER WE'VE DONE SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.WE'VE REQUESTED TO MOVE IT THAT WAY.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AGAIN.
NAME'S CLARK BICKLER, UH, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE NAIL GREEN POWERS, UH, ABEL SPRINGS SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT.
UH, MIKE FRY HERE WITH US, WHICH I THINK YOU ALL KNOW OUR TAX CONSULTANT WITH KAY ANDREWS.
UM, AS THE NAME INDICATES, ABEL SPRINGS SOLAR PROJECT NORTH END OF, UH, THE COUNTY NEAR THE TOWN.
ABEL SPRINGS, 151 MEGAWATT SOLAR PROJECT, A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS OF BATTERY STORAGE.
UM, HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE 3 81 AGREEMENT AFTER THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE HERE, UH, FOR, TOOK THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COURT AS WELL AS OUTSIDE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL.
UM, SUBMITTED AN UPDATED APPLICATION WITH A 50% M AND O ONLY, UH, BATEMAN, WHICH IS YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THERE.
UM, UNDERSTAND THAT TAX INCREASES ARE HAPPENING TO ALL THE CONSTITUENTS HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, EVERYBODY'S TAXES ARE GOING UP.
IT'S HARDER AND HARDER TO PAY FOR PROPERTIES.
UM, MIKE HAS A, A SHEET OF PAPER WILL HAND OUT HERE TO EVERYONE, UH, TO, FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THIS PROJECT, THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT IT'S GOING TO PAY VERSUS WHAT THAT PROPERTY'S BRINGING YOU IN TAX DOLLARS TODAY TO HELP ADD TAX REVENUE TO THE BUDGET.
SO MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO HAND THOSE OUT, THANK, UH, TO THEM.
AND THEN I'LL LET MIKE TALK ABOUT WHAT, UH, WHAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER ON THAT SHEET, UH, FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS PROVIDING UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF TAX REVENUE TODAY WITH THE PROJECT BEING CONSTRUCTED, THAT WOULD BUMP THE PAYMENTS UP FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT TO OVER $200,000 WORTH OF TAXES OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE AGREEMENT.
SO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR A TAX AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
AT THE SAME TIME, THOUGH, UH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE COUNTY IN COMPARISON TO THE TAX REVENUE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS PROVIDING IN ITS CURRENT STATE OR IF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT DEVELOPED.
SO MIKE, I'LL LET YOU TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE SHEET HERE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE BEING HERE.
SO WHAT I'VE HANDED OUT THERE REALLY JUST TALKS ABOUT THE LAND IN THE AREA FROM THE OWNER.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1100 ACRES ON THAT SITE WHERE THIS PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BUILT.
AND IF YOU, YOU LOOK, LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, THE CURRENT COFF AND SEE AT EVALUATIONS, UH, THE MARKET VALUE IS AROUND $6.9 MILLION.
AND THEN IF YOU GO OVER TO THE ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH IN TODAY'S WORLD IT'S IN AG USE, WHICH IS AROUND 156,730, WHICH TURNS INTO BACK, IF YOU GO BACK ON THE TOP, THE LAND TAXES WITH PROJECT FOR ALL THE TAX AND JURISDICTIONS IS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A PROJECT IS AROUND $3,000.
AND TO, IN TODAY'S, UH, DOLLARS, THE COUNTY'S RECEIVING $652 ON THAT PROPERTY, ON THAT 1100 ACRES.
SO IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE BUILT, IF WE'RE JUST STARTING WITH THE LAND, THE ALL THE JURISDICTIONS WOULD RECEIVE AROUND $134,000 IN TAX DOLLARS IN THE COUNTY ITSELF.
WITH, WITH YOUR INS ROAD BRIDGE AND M AND O, YOU'D BE RECEIVING AROUND 28 POINT $28,878.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS, TODAY'S CURRENT MARKET VALUE.
AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THINGS AREN'T GOING DOWN.
SO I, I WOULD THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAND VALUES IN THAT AREA WOULD KEEP, KEEP INCREASING.
I KNOW IT WAS A PRETTY LARGE INCREASE FROM 2021
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TO 2022, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE TAXES LOOK LIKE CURRENTLY ON, ON THE PROPERTY.AND I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS THE, WHAT IT WOULD BE HERE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 18 YEARS AS FAR AS TAX DOLLARS.
BUT THIS PROJECT HERE IS HERE AND NOW WOULD BE READY TO, UH, GO INTO, UH, START CONSTRUCTION ON, ON THAT BEST PROJECT OUT THERE AND, AND BE OPERATING BY Q1 OF 24.
AND THEN A SOLAR PROJECT AROUND Q2 OF 24 IF THESE THINGS WERE TO, UH, COME ABOUT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE IS NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA.
MR. GARRETT PETER'S PRESENTATION ON THE KAUFMAN SOLAR PROJECT LSE PROJECT.
AND THAT'S THE ABLE SPRINGS RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE WE'RE ON SIX SIR? WE'RE ON SIX.
DISCUSS THE APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY TAX SECTION 3 81 STATEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ABLE SPRINGS BEST LLC.
AND, AND WITH, WITH THE ASK FOR THE, THE 50% ON THE, UH, M O ONLY THAT E EQUALS PROBABLY AROUND A 34% ABATEMENT OVERALL WITH THE COUNTY.
SO, AND I KNOW A, A LOT OF PROJECT IN TODAY'S, IN TODAY'S WORLD, THE MARKET, UH, THE TYPICAL ABATEMENT IS ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70%, UH, UH, IN, IN CERTAIN DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE JUDGE LAST WEEK IN BELL COUNTY, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HANGING AT 35%.
IN MORE URBAN AREAS, YOU GET THE 35 TO 50.
SO OVERALL THIS IS A 34%, BUT THE VALUE, AND YOU GO, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 10 YEARS.
AND WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT WORK, UH, BECAUSE THE DEPRECIATION FROM THE 11TH YEAR ON DOWN REALLY DIMINISHES CONSIDERABLY.
I GUESS WHAT SHOULD LIFE EX EXPECTANCY OF THESE PANELS THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW FOR, FOR, UH, FOR THE PV? I, I CLARK WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BETTER, BUT WE, WE WOULD ESTIMATE 30 YEARS MM-HMM.
SO WHY DOES THE VALUE DEPRECIATE SO BAD THAT, BECAUSE THE, THE STATE IN, IN THEIR WISDOM AND GOOD LOBBYIST, I GUESS BACK IN PROBABLY THREE SESSIONS AGO, THE WAY SOLAR'S VALUED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TODAY, IT'S ON A 10 YEAR USEFUL LIFE SCHEDULE.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO QUESTION, ORIGINAL DISTRICT HAS TO DROP IT.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO ONE GOING IN THERE FIGHTING THE VALUE OR ANYTHING.
THEY JUST HAVE TO PUT IT ON A 10 YEAR USEFUL LIFE SCHEDULE.
WELL, THAT APPRAIS VALUE IS SET IN STONE COMING, WELL, ONCE IT, IT CAN BE NO LOWER THAN 20% OF THE ORIGINAL COST.
SO FROM YEAR, YEAR 11, LET'S SAY IF IT, IF IT WAS A 10 YEAR ABATEMENT, OR EVEN WITH THE DEPRECIATION, UH, A LOT OF THESE APPRAISAL FIRMS, THEY'RE USING, UH, DECLINING BOUNCE METHOD OF, UH, DEPRECIATION.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS A STRAIGHT LINE 10% EACH YEAR.
SO USUALLY IT'LL REACH THE 20%, MAYBE IN USUALLY 11 OR 12 O OF THE LIFE.
AND THEN FROM THERE UNTIL PERPETUITY, AS LONG AS THAT THING'S OPERATING, IT'S CAN BE NO LOWER THAN 20% OF WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN.
AND WHEN IT'S OPERATING, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT, WHEN IT'S NOT OPERATING.
I'LL LET YOU, IF, IF, IF IT WAS TO SHUT DOWN, YOU SURE, SURE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LAND SURE.
THE VALUE AND THE LAND, OF COURSE, I KNOW YOU NOTICE THERE'S A BOND FOR THAT OR EXACTLY.
THE, THE FACILITY WOULD BE REMOVED, SECURITY HAS TO BE PUT UP THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE.
UH, SO ALL THE FACILITIES WOULD BE REMOVED.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I MEAN, THE PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR, YOU GO BACK TO AG, IT CAN BE BACK TO AG, IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL, SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A 30 YEAR LEASE ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AFTER THAT, IT'D BE A NEW NEGOTIATION WITH THE OWNER AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT OWNER CAN CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.
UM, AND WE, WE'LL, NOT BUYING IT, Y'ALL LEASE IT.
SO WE, WE WILL BUY A SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NO, THE BALANCE OF IT WILL BE, UH, WILL BE UNDER LEASE.
WELL, UM, CLARK YOU AND I HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION YESTERDAY.
AND, UH, THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING FROM, UH, PEOPLE IN MY PRECINCT AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF MY PRECINCT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WHY ARE WE GIVING MONEY TO THESE BUSINESSES THAT COME IN HERE WHEN SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS DON'T GET THAT SAME THING? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP, SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PEOPLE COMING IN HERE WANTING US TO GIVE THEM 50% REDUCTION IN THEIR TAXES.
THE CITIZENS DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH, UH, THIS WHOLE THING WITH ANY BUSINESS, BUT ESPECIALLY ONE THAT'S NOT PRODUCING JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS COUNTY.
AND Y'ALL, I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
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SAYING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE HUNDREDS OF JOBS IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THIS.I MEAN, TO ME, HUNDREDS IS GONNA BE AT LEAST 200.
I CAN'T SEE IT TAKING 200 PEOPLE TO BUILD THIS THING.
BUT EITHER WAY, THAT'S GONNA BE OVER WITH PRETTY QUICK.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE TO FIVE EMPLOYEES AFTER THAT.
AND, UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE PROBABLY ALREADY WITHIN THE COMPANY THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVED TO HANDLE THESE POSITIONS OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY.
SO TO ME, I'M NOT SEEING A REAL BENEFIT OUTSIDE OF THIS PROJECTED, UH, TAX DEAL HERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, I I JUST CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THIS.
AND IF WE, IF WE HAD SOME JOBS ATTACHED TO THIS, IT'D BE DIFFERENT FOR ME AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, HAVE BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, COME TO ME WITH THIS.
UH, BUT I JUST, I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THIS.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONCERN AND, AND WHAT'S YOU'RE THING SAYING THERE, RIGHT? I THINK THE, THE SUBJECT OF THE TOPIC IS, IS VERY CHALLENGING.
THE, THE ABATEMENT, IT'S MM-HMM.
I THINK WHEN THOSE CONSTITUENTS HAVE THE FULL FACTS AND THEY DIVE INTO WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE, I MEAN, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THAT PROPERTY'S PRODUCING TODAY, TOMORROW, NEXT YEAR, AND 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE PROJECT IS NOT CONSTRUCTED VERSUS IF IT IS CONSTRUCTED.
AND WE'RE TALKING A VERY SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES AREN'T HAVING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, THE, THEY'RE ALSO NOT CREATING THAT LEVEL OF TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SI SIX FIGURE TAX REVENUE JUST DURING THE LIFETIME OF THE AGREEMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING THE COUNTY HERE, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY CAME WAS A 70%, UH, M AND O ABATEMENT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD MET IN NOVEMBER, UH, WHEN WE WERE PURCHASING THIS PROJECT, KIND OF WHERE WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO BE TO MOVE FORWARD AND PURCHASE THE PROJECT, WE DID THAT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A LITTLE CHALLENGING SITUATION HERE NOW TALKING, YOU KNOW, AT BEST MAYBE AT 50%, BUT ARE STILL WORKING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK ON OUR SIDE FINANCIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED THE PROJECT.
BUT TO THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, THIS COMPANY IS TRYING TO INJECT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF TAX REVENUE TO JUST, JUST ON THE M AND O SIDE HERE TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, ASIDE FROM THE SCHOOL, UM, VALUE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THAT THE PROJECT PROVIDES.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONVERSATION THAT, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THOSE CONSTITUENTS IS YES, WHILE WE'RE HELPING THIS PROJECT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO SUCCEED, WE'RE TALKING ALMOST A 2000% INCREASE IN THE TOTAL TAX VALUE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BRING US BY ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT VERSUS IF WE DON'T ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT AND THE PROPERTY STAYS AT IT AS IT IS.
AND I THINK WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTS, A CONSTITUENT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY WE PROBABLY STILL DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF IT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS NOW GOING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE BUDGET BY DOING THIS.
UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS WOULD, WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.
WELL, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT TOO IS, UH, AGAIN, FOLKS HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID, OKAY, SO ARE THEY SAYING, ARE Y'ALL SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T DO THIS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE PROJECT, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY LEASED THE PROPERTY.
YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO DO THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY EVEN WITHOUT OUR HELP.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN THESE NUMBERS ARE GONNA GO UP EVEN MORE THAN THE REVENUE THAT'S GONNA BE COMING INTO THE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM TO ME.
AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE YESTERDAY.
I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME TO THIS COURT AND ASK FOR HELP.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, EVEN IF I WASN'T COUNTY COMMISSIONER, I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER DOING THAT.
YOU KNOW, I NEED TO GET MY BUSINESS GOING ON MY OWN AND MAKE THINGS WORK.
IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BAD TIMING AND PART OF THIS.
UH, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THIS
I, I WOULD SAY TO THOSE CONSTITUENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY, WELL JUST MAKE 'EM BUILD IT ANYWAY, AGAIN, AT THE TIME WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, THERE'S DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND NOTHING WAS SIGNED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PURCHASED THE PROJECT ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ENTER INTO A SIMILAR AGREEMENT AS THE LILY SOLAR PROJECT NEAR SCURRY THAT'S OPERATING 70%
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M AND O.THE PROJECT WAS PURCHASED WITH THOSE FINANCIAL TERMS IN MIND.
THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE PROJECT AND ASSUMPTION THAT AT THOSE FIGURES THAT A PROJECT, YOU COULD PULL THAT AWAY AND A PROJECT WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO STAND ON ITS OWN.
WELL, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE NOVEMBER IN A LOT OF WAYS.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAS PEOPLE UPSET.
UH, WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF ISSUES IN MY PRECINCT.
WE'VE GOT ANNEXATION GOING ON THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT.
THEY SEE THE COUNTY GIVING AWAY MONEY WHEN PEOPLE ARE NEEDING MONEY THEMSELVES.
PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR TAXES ON THEIR PROPERTIES OR HAVING TO SELL 'EM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM WITH IT.
SO I THINK LOOKING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE PROJECT'S CONSTRUCTED OR, OR NOT, THOUGH, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIX FIGURE TAX REVENUE OPPORTUNITY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, AS MIKE MENTIONED ON THE M AND O SIDE, I THINK $652, UH, ANNUALLY THAT THAT PROPERTY'S BRINGING IN.
AND I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S TOTAL.
AND I THINK, UH, THE NINE, CAUSE I DID SOME, WE SPOKE BEFORE SURE.
ABOUT THE SCURRY PROJECT AND HOW IT WENT DOWN.
IT WENT DOWN TO KIND OF UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER THE THREE 13 AT THE TIME, WHICH THE CORRECT LEGISLATURE IS TAKEN AWAY.
UH, THAT WAS MORE APPEALING, I THINK, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THEN BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN A BIG TAX BREAK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY RECAPTURE TAXES BACK TO THE STATE AND GIVE, TO KEEP THEIR MONEY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PAY IT BACK.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK ALSO THE ESDS UH, PROFITED FROM IT AT THE TIME ON THE THREE 13 AS WELL, UH, BECAUSE MONEY WAS COMING BACK TO THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
SO I THINK IT WAS A BIT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.
SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, NOW YOU LOOK AT IT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH NOT KNOWING WHAT THE ECONOMY'S GONNA DO THIS YEAR AND HOW EVERYTHING'S GONNA FALL, THAT UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMMITTING TO A LONG TERM DEAL.
I SPOKE TO ONE SCHOOL BOARD, A PAST SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, CURR.
IT WAS, THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST THING AIN'T EVER HAPPENED.
CAUSE THE MONEY, IT CAME IN UNDER THE THREE 13, EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEN I TALKED TO ANOTHER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT'S LIKE, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT.
AND, AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA OBLIGATE THIS PROPERTY FOR A 30, ESPECIALLY A 30 YEAR LEASE OR WHATEVER, 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING 10 YEARS, BUT THIS SHOULD LAST YOU 30 YEARS.
BUT IF THAT DID BECOME A DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WOULD BE COMING INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH ALL THE GROWTH IN THE SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW? CAUSE IF THE FUNDING'S NOT THERE, UH, FOR THE TAX DEAL, THEN THE STATE'S GONNA RAISE APPRAISAL VALUES, WHICH IS GOING TO PUSH TAXES UP ANYWAY.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE? SO I KNOW THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE AND, AND THE PEOPLE IN SCURRY HAD NOTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT THE SOLAR FARM.
THEY COMPLIMENTED IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER HAVE IT THAN 5,000 HOMES BESIDE ME.
UH, THEY EVEN SAID THAT WHEN SOMETHING WENT WRONG ON THE FENCE LINE, THEY WERE OUT THERE HELPING OUT.
SO THERE WAS NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR THE SOLAR FARM ITSELF.
IT JUST, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A FINANCIAL SIDE OF GOING FORWARD, WE'RE ABOUT TO COMMIT, AGAIN, 50% OF THAT REVENUE BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A 10 YEAR COMMITMENT WITH UNCERTAINTY AHEAD.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE? ONE, I ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO, UM, Y YOU KNOW, I THINK ANOTHER ASPECT HERE JUST FROM BEING IN MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS', COURTS MEETINGS AND UNDERSTANDING THE GROWTH, UH, THAT THIS COUNTY IS HAVING, UH, OF VALUE THAT THE SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT BRINGS, IS THAT IT'S NOT BRINGING HUNDREDS OF HOMES TO IT.
HUNDREDS OF AMOUNTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED, ROADS, SEWAGE, ELECTRICITY, UH, PROVIDED TO THOSE HOMES, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH YOUR CURRENT STAFF.
I MEAN, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT TAX BOOST WITHOUT AN ASK ON THE BACKSIDE TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SERVICES IN THE SAME WAY FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE THAT, THAT AMOUNT OF HOMES AND THOSE FAMILIES, UH, WOULD'VE BROUGHT.
BUT MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WELL, AND YOU THINK, YOU TALK ABOUT ROOFTOPS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHAT GOES ON THERE IS ANY SUPERINTENDENT YOU'LL TALK TO, I MEAN, THEY ALL, MOST OF 'EM HAVE DEBT RATES, THEIR I NS RATE.
SO WITH A THREE 13, THE, THE I NS RATES NEVER, IT'S ALWAYS TAX FULLY.
SO THESE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, NOT ONLY DID THEY LIKE THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS, WHICH PUT 'EM OFF THE TOP AND SOME OF THE, UH, HOLD HARNESS PAYMENTS, REVENUE PROTECTION, BUT IT WAS NOT LIMITED ON THE I NS RATE.
SO THEIR DEBT RATE, SO ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT, I BELIEVE THIS IS IN QUINLAND, I S D AND TERRELL, I BELIEVE CORRECT.
AND IF IT DOES GET BUILT, YOU KNOW, SURE.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY, IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME ON THE M AND O FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH THE STATE THE WAY FUNDING WORKS.
BUT WITH THE I N S AND THE DEBT RATE, THEY'RE GETTING ALL THAT MONEY THAT THEY CAN GET TO, TO PUT IN AND TRY TO LOWER THEIR DEBT RATE, YOU KNOW, PAY OFF THEIR DEBT IN, IN FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF 10 OR 15.
SO THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE SET OF PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD PLAY ON THERE.
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PROJECTS THEY'RE GONNA SET OUT THERE AND RUN, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THEY'RE THERE.SO IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THESE THINGS.
SO, AND I GUESS THE, THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHEN I'M, YOU KNOW, SAYING SIX FIGURES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PILOT PAYMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT, THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY PRO PROJECTIONS.
THESE ARE LOCKED IN VALUES BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY TO THE COUNTY.
UH, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VALUATION OF THAT FACILITY IS DURING THE LIFETIME OF THE AGREEMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE UNCERTAIN OF.
BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PILOT PAYMENTS IN TERMS OF THAT TAX REVENUE ON THE M AND O SIDE FOR THE COUNTY, CORRECT.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS MY FEELINGS.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO ME.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I TRIED CALLING, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE GIVING MONEY AWAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I DON'T THINK IT'S A FAIR GESTURE.
AND, AND I WILL COME BACK TO THE ROOFTOP.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT ROOFTOPS.
I, I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THEM EITHER.
I LIKE BE OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE BY MYSELF.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T GET A BREAK.
THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T GET A BREAK FOR BUILDING A HOME.
THEY SHOULDN'T, THE ONLY TIME THAT ANY KINDA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK SHOULD GET ANY KIND OF BREAK, AND IT SHOULDN'T EVER GO PAST SEVEN YEARS.
I THINK FIVE YEARS WOULD BE A GOOD TERM, IS WHEN THEY PROVIDE JOBS FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE THE ROOFTOPS AND DO NEED A PLACE TO GO TO WORK.
AND THAT GUY COULD BE IN AMARILLO, TEXAS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW.
I MEAN, HE WOULDN'T BE HERE NECESSARILY.
HE, HE HAS TO BE HERE EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, AND HE IS PROBABLY ALREADY RUNNING THE OTHER SOLAR FAN.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING ANOTHER ONE.
IT'S THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY HERE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT ARGUING THE POINT, I'M JUST STATING THE POINT.
I MEAN, I, I JUST, I DON'T, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF TUR.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF, UM, MAINTENANCE.
IF YOU HAVE THE POPULATION AND YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE, KROGER'S GONNA COME HERE AND SELL GROCERIES.
WHETHER YOU GIVE THEM ANYTHING OR NOT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SELL ELECTRICITY.
AND IF YOU CAN BUILD A SOLAR PANEL AND PUT IT UP THEN AND SELL IT FOR A PROFIT, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
WHETHER IT'S A BATTERY STORAGE, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRICS, IT'S JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE WE WERE TALKING TO BEFORE.
IF YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THE DOGS AND GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DONATE ENOUGH FEES TO OPERATE THE THING, THEN WE NEED TO FIND A NEW ROUTE OF FARM TO DO IT.
AND IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH ELECTRICITY.
UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF PROVIDERS OUT THERE FOR ELECTRICITY.
EVERYBODY CAN CALL 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR ELECTRICITY AND THEY FIND THE CHEAPEST RATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, I CAN'T CHANGE THAT, BUT I'M GETTING THE SAME BEAT UP THAT TERRY IS.
PEOPLE ARE NOT LIKING US GIVING MONEY AWAY ANYMORE.
THEY ARE REALLY GETTING UPSET.
I CAN'T SAY THAT I'VE GAVE, ANYWAY.
I VOTE NO ALL THE TIME TO THOSE THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST WHERE I AM.
I'M, I'M THE GUY THAT SAYS NO TO THINGS.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN LOWER THEIR PROPERTY TAX ON HOMES IS BIAS NOT TO GIVE MONEY AWAY.
I KNOW YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING MONEY IN.
EVERYBODY, ANYTHING THAT'S BUILT HERE IS GONNA BRING MONEY IN.
THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING TO BE FAIR AND EQUAL TO THE OTHER PEOPLE? SURE.
AND IF I GET TO CHARGE THEM 50 CENTS, I OUGHT TO CHARGE YOU 50 CENTS.
WELL, THE, THE THING IS, I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ARGUE ALL YOU WANT, BUT I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND THEORETICALLY, ACTUALLY BUSINESSES SHOULD PAY MORE.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, SOMETHING'S GOTTA LURE IT SOME, SOME WAY.
THAT'S THE REASON DALLAS'S TAXES ARE SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN OUR, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE SKYSCRAPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY COLLECT SO MUCH REVENUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT REVENUE SOURCE UNTIL WE BUILD MORE, MORE BUSINESSES.
AND THE AMOUNT OF ROOFTOPS WE HAVE GOING UP,
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SOMEBODY BETTER START FIGURING OUT THAT WE NEED TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOR INDUSTRIAL, FOR BUSINESS.NOT NECESSARILY SOLAR PANELS, BUT I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO PAY THE CORRECT TAX, SOLAR PANELS IS FINE WITH ME.
AND IF, AND, AND IF, AND IF, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WILL THEY BILL THIS WITHOUT THAT ABATEMENT? SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CONSISTENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S UP.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO, IF, IF THEY CAN'T BILL IT, IF IT'S YOU'RE PASSING UP ON $150 MILLION OF VALUE AND, AND THESE TAX DOLLARS FOR ACCORDING, ACCORDING ON THE LIST WAS PASSING UP ON 200 MILLION, LET'S DON'T CHARGE YOU.
WELL, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PV, THE SOLAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND THEN THE OTHER 80 ON THE, ON THE BUS.
SO IF THAT'S NOT BUILT, I MEAN IT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING A CHANCE, WILL YOU BUILD IT OR WILL YOU NOT? RIGHT.
SO, SO, AND, AND THE LEAST YOU SAY IT'S LEAST IT'S LEASE OPTION AGREEMENTS, CORRECT.
ON, ON THE LAND, IT'S LEASE OPTIONS.
THERE'S NOTHING GUARANTEED OR A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD.
BUT, BUT EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE FULL VALUE THERE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT 200 PLUS MILLION AND IT'S CURRENT VALUE OF WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? RIGHT.
AND THOSE COWS, AND THAT PASTURE'S NOT COSTING US A NICKEL ANY SHAPE, SIZE, OR FORM
BUT THEY'RE AGAIN, BUT THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
YOU KNOW, AND THEY ARE BUSINESS MAKING.
THEY'RE PRODUCING HAMBURGER MEAT FOR MCDONALD'S.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, FAIR'S FAIR.
AND, AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY GETTING TIRED OF BEING UNFAIR.
YOU KNOW, THE STATE LEGISLATOR'S WORKING ON IT NOW WITH EXTRA 32 BILLION OR 34.
THEY, THERE'S, THEY HAVE 35 DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH CARRY OVER THEY REALLY HAVE.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
SO HOMEOWNERS WILL QUIT BEING SO UPSET.
WELL, I, I PAY, I PAY, I PAY A TERRIBLE AMOUNT OF TAX.
I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER AND, UH, I MEAN ALL YOUR, A LOT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS I'M SURE BENEFIT FROM THE AG USE EXEMPTION.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT FAMILY, I'M SURE CLARK HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT ALSO.
LIKE, AND, AND WE'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT EGG EXEMPT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE HOMEOWNERS ARE.
AND YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THEY'RE NOT.
I DON'T THINK THEY COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW MONEY BETTER.
THEY DON'T KNOW COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, FARMER OUT HERE THAT'S EITHER PRODUCING COWS OR PRODUCING GROCERIES FOR YOUR TABLE, UH, HE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN TAXES CUZ WE WOULDN'T BILL ABLE AFFORD.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD, IT'S A NECESSARY.
UH, AND, AND THAT'S A, WITHOUT A DOUBT, YES.
THERE'S GENTLEMAN OUT THERE WITH 20 ACRES OR 15 ACRES OR 25 ACRES THAT HAVE TWO HORSES OR WHATEVER OUT THERE GETTING A USE.
AND GUESS WHAT? I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY AG WELL, I THINK OUR, I PAY FULL TAX.
I THINK OUR BIG THING ON OUR POINT IS, IS SPENDING, OH, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF SPENDING A LOT OF ABATEMENTS IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, OH YEAH.
IT'S KIND LIKE WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY OUR CITIZENS, THEY'RE TIRES OF THE MONEY SPENDING.
SO BY GIVING TAX ABATEMENTS, GIVING IT, AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE BLAMING THE TAX INCREASES ON, OR, I MEAN, SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK IS WHAT COMMISSIONER BARBER SAID, IT'S JUST NOT GOOD TIMING RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, WELL, IT DIDN'T EVEN COME WITH WHAT OUR ABATEMENT POLICY REALLY IS.
AND I TOLD YOU BEFORE, OURS WAS SEVEN YEARS, NOT 10, I PUT IT IN PLAY EIGHT YEARS AGO.
AND JAKE WAS HERE, HE WAS A COMMISSIONER.
AND WE SAID, MAXIMUM THAT WE'D EVER DO WAS BE SEVEN YEARS.
AND WE STILL HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE.
WELL, THIS, THIS WAS JUST AN OFFER.
I MEAN, I KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING START THE PROCESS.
WELL NOW, YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STANDING.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A BETTER OFFER, THEN YOU CAN COME OUT WITH A BETTER OFFER.
IF THE PROJECT, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY M AND O MONEY AND EXPECT US TO GO INTO THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, WE NEED ELECTION PROPERTIES.
WE NEED, WE NEED THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY EVEN FOR.
AND, AND YET WE'RE GOING TO TURN DOWN
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SOME MONEY HERE TODAY, BUT WE'RE NOT TURNING IT DOWN CAUSE WE DON'T NEED MONEY.I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THIS SINGLE PERSON'S OPINION.
I CAN'T STATE THEIR OPINIONS, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S AN UNFAIR PROCESS.
I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, TAX IN GENERAL, PROBABLY UNFAIR PROCESS.
BUT I MEAN,
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR CITIZENS AND IF, AND IF THIS IS THE PATH THEY CHOOSE.
AND SCHOOLS, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DOING A THREE 13 OR SOMETHING.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW, GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE MADE WHOLE BY STATE.
SO IF THEY CHOOSE TO JUMP IN ON THE PROGRAM, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
CHECK THE CHECK STILL COMES FROM THE STATE, THEN THEY MAKE 'EM WHOLE ON THE, ON THE DIFFERENCE.
INDUSTRY MAKES THEM WHOLE UNDER THREE 13 AGREEMENT.
BUT THAT GET, THEY GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR MONEY, THEY DON'T LOSE A NICKEL.
SO, AND WE DO, IF THE PROJECT SHORTENED THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COURT WOULD BE, I DON'T WILLING, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK ON THAT.
LET'S HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
AND LIKE BEFORE, IF YOU WANT TO VISIT WITH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY SURE.
AND THAT WAY IT'LL SAVE A LOT OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ONE STANDS.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SUBSTANTIAL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THE BUDGET, THIS YEAR'S GONNA DETERMINE THAT TOO.
I, I'M WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE FOR THE COUNTY.
OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE COUNTY AND ITS EMPLOYEES AND ITS OPERATIONS.
SO I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE EARLY.
I MEAN, TO COMMIT THE A GUESS AND THE FUTURE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN JULY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR 2024.
SO ANYWAY, I, IT IS JUST UNCERTAINTY.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE LOOKED AT AS WELL BEFORE WE OKAY.
AND I GUESS LAST COMMENT I'D HAVE HERE IS I UNDERSTOOD YOU ALL'S CHALLENGE.
I I THINK THE MESSAGING TO THE CONSTITUENTS IS NOT THAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE RECEIVING $652 OFF OF THAT PROPERTY.
WE'RE PROPOSING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OVER $200,000 FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UM, UNDER A SCENARIO THAT WE'VE PRESENTED HERE AND ASKING, IF WE BUILD THIS SCENARIO AND IT SAYS WE SHOULD PAY X AMOUNT, CAN WE PAY X? THAT IS STILL DRASTICALLY GREATER THAN WHAT THE 652 IS.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO GIVE AWAY TAX DOLLARS.
WE'RE ASKING TO PAY YOU MORE TAX DOLLARS AND YOU'RE ALREADY RECEIVING FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK WHAT THIS SAYS IS LOOKING AT IS LOOK AT THE TAX DOLLARS WE DON'T GET MM-HMM.
BUT LOOK AT WHAT WE DON'T GET.
THAT ABC CORPORATION HERE IS PAYING AND THIS PERSONAL HERE IS NOT PAYING.
WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THAT.
I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A FAIR TAXING SYSTEM.
SO I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, DELAY THIS.
WELL, WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND OR LEAVE IT ALONE END.
AND THEY CAN PUT IT BACK, BACK ON WHEN THEY WALK ARE READY.
AND WE'LL DO THAT ON THE NEXT TWO ALSO.
WE'D STILL WANT DISCUSS EIGHT.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PASS ON SIX AND SEVEN AND
[8. Clark Bixler, Mike Fry; Discuss/Consider the Road Maintenance Agreement with Abies Springs Solar, LLC.]
MOVED TO NUMBER EIGHT.DO WE NEED STILL MOTION JUDGE ON THE FIVE? UH, IF WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE, IT, IT JUST DIES.
IT JUST DIES AND THEY CAN PUT IT BACK ON.
BUT IF WE, IF WE TABLE IT, IT HAS TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK.
WE JUST, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO NUMBER EIGHT.
DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH ABLE SPRINGING SOLAR.
SO, UM, WHAT I'VE PROVIDED WAS THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT WAS IN PLACE FOR THE LILY SOLAR PROJECT NEAR SCURRY.
UH, TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER BARBER, UM, ABOUT THAT.
WANTED YOU ALL TO REVIEW THAT AGAIN.
UM, ASIDE FROM THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, TAX RELATED, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT PENCIL SHARPENING TO DO ON OUR SIDE, BUT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW FIGURE ALL OF THIS OUT, BENEFITS BOTH PARTIES.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S NOT AN OUTSTANDING ITEM AT THAT TIME.
SO COMMISSIONER DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD OR WOULDN'T START.
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IN PLACE, UM, FOR US.SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT WE PRESENTED WAS THE SAME AGREEMENT, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, ASKING THAT COMMISSIONER HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AGREEMENT OR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UM, IF NOT, WE PROCEED TO PREPARE AN EXECUTABLE, BUT I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT.
YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR Y'ALL TO DO THAT IN CASE Y'ALL MOVE AHEAD ANY WAY, WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE THAT Y'ALL HAVE THAT IN PLACE WITH US.
AND, UH, I'LL GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT PART OF IT SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG.
IT'S THE SAME ONE THAT WE DID IN PRECINCT FORWARD'S THE SAME, SAME YEARS AGO.
SO YEAH, IT'S, WE'RE STILL MADE WHOLE MM-HMM.
[5. Garrett Peters; Presentation on the Kaufman Solar, LLC project.]
NUMBER FIVE.I DON'T KNOW, THEY MIGHT NOT WANNA COME UP HERE.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF NEXTERA ENERGY.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU KAUFMAN COUNTY SOLAR, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SOLAR'S A 200 MEGAWATT SOLAR FARM.
CLARK DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING WHAT THE THREE, UM, 3 81 AGREEMENT IS.
HOWEVER, I'M JUST HERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND MONIQUE AS WELL AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE SEEN OUR SITE PLANS.
UM, SO HERE IS THE, THE SITE PLANS FOR YOU ALL THIS MORNING.
SO THIS IS A $200 MILLION INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY INTO KAUFMAN COUNTY.
WE DO RATE OUR, OUR PANELS HAVING A LIFESPAN OF 30 TO 35 YEARS WITH AN OPPORTUNITY OF REPOWERING TO EXPAND, UH, AND TO EXTEND THAT LIFE CYCLE.
FOR THE ECONOMICS, I HAVE GARRETT PETERS WITH ME.
SO ONE THING I WANNA MAKE CLEAR AND, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE FOR HAVING ME.
UH, THIS PROJECT NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAST PROJECT IN ANY WAY.
THIS IS NEXT ERA THAT WAS ANEL, UM, DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTY AS WELL.
THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT IS SOUTHEAST OF KAUFMAN.
UM, IT IS BORDERED BY, UH, COUNTY ROAD AND IT FARMED THE MARKET ROAD.
UM, IT, UH, AS, AS MELISSA SAID, IT'S ABOUT 1800 ACRES.
UH, THE PROJECTED INVESTMENT IS 200 MILLION.
THAT'S KIND OF AN UNDERPROMISE OVER DELIVER NUMBER.
UH, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THAT BASED ON JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE SEEING COSTS ARISING EVERY DAY.
UM, AND WE EXPECT THESE NUMBERS THAT WE PREPARED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO DEFINITELY GO UP.
UH, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN TODAY, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THAT WE GOT FROM THE, UH, THE COURT ON THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, TO SHARPEN UP ANY PROPOSALS THAT WE, UH, SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY.
SO WE'LL STAY TUNED TO SEE HOW THAT FARS, UH, BEFORE PUTTING ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
UM, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT, UH, ROADS THAT BOARD OF THE PROJECT.
I KNOW THEY'RE DOCUMENTED ON THERE.
UM, UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ZOOMED OUT, BUT YOU'VE GOT, UH, RIGHT, UH, RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS AN FM AND THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD.
AND THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD RIGHT HERE.
BUT I'VE GOT A MORE ZOOMED OUT MAP.
I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU AS WELL.
THAT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
WELL WE OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK TODAY, WE WILL NOT BE SUBMITTING, UH, AN APPLICATION TODAY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, IS AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION IN REGARDS TO THE SITE AS WELL AS THE AGREEMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO DO IS HOST JOB FAIRS WITHIN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT IS TO HELP DRIVE, UM, LOCALS WORKING AT THE, THE SITE, NOT ONLY JUST IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, BUT LONG-TERM.
THIS WOULD BE ONE OF OUR FIRST INVESTMENTS INTO KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A LONG-STANDING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE CREATING SOME JOBS ON THIS ONE? WE WOULD BE CREATING JOBS ON THIS ONE.
JUST CONSTRUCTION OR LONG? NO, THERE'D BE LONG-TERM JOBS.
WE DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORING SITE.
AND AGAIN, WITH THIS BEING OUR FIRST INVESTMENT IN A KAUFFMAN COUNTY, THERE WOULD BE JOB CREATION.
WHAT KIND OF JOBS WOULD THAT BE? ABOUT? FOUR TO FIVE JOBS TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE SOLAR SITE.
AND THAT'D BE A, A PENNY KILOWATT TO THE COUNTY FOR ELECTRICITY? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY?
SO WHAT WE CAN SHARE ABATEMENT SOCIETY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
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IT'S GENERATING ABOUT, IN TOTAL BETWEEN ALL THE JURISDICTIONS, $10,000 IN PROPERTY TAXES PER YEAR.UM, IF THIS CONS, IF THIS PROJECT WAS CONSTRUCTED EVEN AT 200 MILLION VALUATION, EVEN WITH AN ABATEMENT OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS, THE PROPERTY WOULD YIELD $36 MILLION IN TAXES.
UM, SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT'S ABOUT OVER 30 YEARS.
UM, THREE, FOUR, 500% INCREASE, UH, ON A YEARLY BASIS.
JUST LIKE THE OTHER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE LAND IS AG, IT WOULD GO INTO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE.
ALL THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY WOULD GET ADDED ON TOP, UH, IN THE SOLAR FARM.
NO DEMAND ON LOCAL SERVICES ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED THAT IT JUST GENERATES ELECTRICITY AND GETS TAXED.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PURE YIELD AS FAR AS WE SEE.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD TODAY AND, AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, UH, BEFORE PUTTING ANYTHING FORMAL IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU, YEAH'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME.
THAT, UH, UH, I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S, IT IS NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GENERATE MONEY.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A FAIR PROCESS.
WE JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE EQUAL AND BEING TAXED.
AND I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF APPRECIATE THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN TAX AND YOU THINK, OKAY, A BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION COME IN.
NOT THAT YOU ARE, I'M JUST SAYING.
AND THEY GET A GREAT BIG TAX BREAK AND I COME IN AND BUILD A HOUSE AND I DON'T GET ANY TAX BREAK.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE A SENIOR CITIZEN, YOU'RE RETIRED AND YOU SAY, GOD, I'M PAYING SCHOOL TAX, I'M PAYING THIS, I'M PAYING THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN LIVE WITH THE COUNTY TAX.
IT'S THE SCHOOL TAX AND STUFF THAT KILLS SOME, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME CUZ WE MAKE THE WHOLE TAX BILL.
WE DON'T MAKE UP THE NUMBERS ON IT, BUT THE PEOPLE THINK WE DO.
AND OUR JOB AND UNDERSTAND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO HARD FEELINGS OR NO OFFENSE TAKEN BY BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURSE OF RESPONSE TO ANY PROPOSALS TO, AND WE'RE NOT, NOT TRYING TO RUN YOU OFF.
WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
I CAN'T CHANGE HOW, HOW THE TAXES AND THAT POLICY WORKS.
BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER AND SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THIS SITE, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE HAD OUR SITE PLAN, THEY'VE HAD OUR LAND MAPPED OUT AS SOON AS WE STARTED LOOKING.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS JUST REALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, UNDERSTAND THE JOB NEEDS AND REALLY BE A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER.
SO ALTHOUGH I CAN'T CHANGE HOW THE PROCESS WORKS, WHAT I CAN ENSURE IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH OUR ORGANIZATION AND THAT WE'RE A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER FOR Y'ALL HERE.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.
CUZ IT BENEFITS ALL OF US IN THE END.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
SO TODAY WE'RE JUST HERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AN EDUCATION SESSION ON NOT ONLY THE PROJECT BUT ALSO WHATEVER DOCUMENT WE END UP PAPERING.
SO HAPPY TO DO THAT ONE-ON-ONE, UM, OR HAVE IT POSTED, BUT WOULD LIKE TO REALLY JUST SIT DOWN AND KIND OF GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
I THINK EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT ON UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER'S NEEDS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
IF WE ARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN IN 2024 AND IT WOULD BE FULLY OPERATIONAL IN 2025.
WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS PROBABLY WORKSHOP YEAH.
AND ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION IS THAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF OWNING AND OPERATING OUR SITES.
THAT MEANS IT, IT'S KAUFFMAN COUNTY SOLAR THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH AND WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN OUR SITE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A NUISANCE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IT'S WELL MAINTAINED AND FROM A VISUAL ASPECT AS WELL.
Y'ALL OKAY WITH DOING A WORKSHOP WITH HIM? YEAH.
MAKE SURE ONCE YOU GET WITH ME THEN WE'LL SET UP A TIME WHERE MIKE IS BACK TO MS. HUNTING TRIP AND WE'LL GET TOGETHER.
WELL, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR HUNTING TRIP, BUT HE NO, MIKE IS ALREADY THERE.
YOU WEREN'T INVITED SO WE WEREN'T INVITED.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORKSHOP AND WE'LL DO THE SAME WITH Y'ALL AND WE'LL JUST KINDA LET IT DIE HERE AND THEN WE CAN PUT IT BACK ON SCHEDULE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN ACTION TODAY.
THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS, AS WELL AS THE PROJECT.
AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
[9. Constable Jason Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving the deputation of Weldon Paul as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman County Precinct #2 Constable's Office to fill a vacant modified Mltime patrol contract position in contract (564) Windmill Farms.]
MOVE DOWN.CONSTABLE JOHNSON ASK US TO, UH, NOT TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.
UH, AND THEN, I MEAN, NUMBER NINE, NUMBER 10
[10. Laura Hughes; Discuss/Consider Contract Amendment between Tyler Eagle and County Clerk for new Public Vitals Access Portal.]
IS LAURA HUGHES.[01:20:01]
AN AMENDMENT TO A CONTRACT WE HAD SIGNED IN JANUARY.AND BASICALLY IT, IT, UM, IT PROVIDES US MORE FUNCTIONALITY IN THE, IN THE VITAL ACCESS SOFTWARE THAT WE PUT ONLINE.
AND IT HELPS STREAMLINE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONALITY FOR THEM INTERNALLY FOR THE FINANCES.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST MADE ME SMILE.
I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THIS THEN.
[11. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider appointing Licensed Veterinarian, Dr. Joe Urso; County Official, Kelly Wheeler; Pet Adoption Center Representative, Nelda Corbell; Animal Welfare Representative, Veronica Slayton, to the Kaufman County Animal Services and Pet Adoption Center Advisory Committee.]
ELEVENS PAM CARTER.DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER APPOINTING LICENSED VETERINARIAN DR.
KELLY WHEELER PET ADOPTION CENTER REPRESENTATIVE NELDA CARPEL, CARDELL AND ANIMAL WELFARE REPRESENTATIVE VERONICA SLAYTON TO THE COPEMAN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTERS AND PET ADOPTION CENTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M HERE.
I'M ASKING YOU TO, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SET UP THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THE NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO YOU.
UM, WE ARE WORKING HARD ALREADY WITH SUSAN, UM, AT SITTING THERE.
I'VE PUT OUT SOME REQUESTS ON FACEBOOK ALREADY FOR HELP AND HAVE BEEN SHARING, UH, THEIR PAGE.
THEY DO HAVE A KAUFMAN COUNTY PAGE, SO I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GUYS GET THAT SO YOU CAN SEE THAT.
SO WE JUST WANT TO, UM, TO APPROVE THE ADVISORY BOARD AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON BYLAWS.
I REALLY FELT LIKE THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE AND MAKE ANY CHECK CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THEY'RE COMMONLY APPROVED BY THE COURT.
AND I REALLY THINK THIS WILL HELP SUSAN AND, AND THE WHOLE COUNTY.
YEAH, MA'AM, WE GOT MORE BUY-IN THIS WAY.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? NOT NEED A MOTION? NO.
COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BARBARA, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[12. Jack Sebastian, Discuss/Consider entering into a contract with Target Solutions for roof repairs to the County Courthouse, Annex and Juvenile Probation buildings utilizing the TIPS Cooperative contract # 210603.]
NUMBER 12.DISCUSS CONSENTING TO A CONTRACT WITH TIGER SOLUTIONS.
TARGET SOLUTIONS OR ROOF REPAIRS TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE NX, JUVENILE PROB PROMOTION BUILDINGS UTILIZING THE TIPS.
COOPERATIVE CONTRACT NUMBER 21 0 6 0 3.
UH, JUDGE, ASK THAT WE LOOK AT DOING SOME ROOF REPAIR AT THE, UH, THREE BUILDINGS MENTIONED.
AND, UH, WE HAVE THAT PROPOSAL FROM TARGET, UH, SOLUTIONS, UH, TOTAL IS 1 MILLION OR 74 9 25.
AND THAT IS ON THE TIPS CONTRACT.
AND, UH, I KNOW BOBBY AND NEVER DONE A LOT OF STUDY ON THAT, AND I THINK HE HAS A PRESENTATION OR YES, BOBBY.
SO, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SEVERAL YEARS DISCUSSING THE ROOFS FOR THE, THE OLD COURTHOUSE HERE ON THE SQUARE.
UH, THIS FACILITY HERE, THE ANNEX AND THE JUVENILE PROBATION DEPARTMENT, UM, THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS.
WELL, THE ROOFS ON THOSE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY IN DESPAIR AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET 'EM REPLACED AND, UM, PREVIOUSLY WE'VE KIND OF PUSHED 'EM OFF AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED, CAN WE PATCH 'EM AND CAN WE MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, GET US BY FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS? CAN WE GET ANOTHER YEAR OUT OF THEM? SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE TO THE POINT NOW TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN DESPAIR AND WE NEED TO GET THESE BUILDINGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR BUILDING OTHER THAN THE FOUNDATION ITSELF, YOU KNOW, SO THE ROOF AND THE FOUNDATION ARE YOUR TWO MOST IMPORTANT PARTS TO KEEP YOUR BUILDING.
SO I MEAN, HERE WE ARE TODAY PRESENTING WHAT WAS REQUESTED IS TO, UH, GET SOME NEW ROOFS PUT ON.
AND THESE GUYS HERE ARE WITH TARGET, UM, MR. STEVENS WITH, UH, GARLAND MAN OR GARLAND MANUFACTURER FOR THE ROOFING MATERIAL.
TARGET IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE ONES DOING THE ROOFING.
UM, STEVEN, YOU WANNA STEP IN? YEAH.
GIVE YOUR, I APPRECIATE THE TIME, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AS YOU DO, YOU ALL HAVE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU AND I, I TRY TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE.
UH, OBSERVATIONS OVER THE JUVENILE ANNEX AND THE COURTHOUSE ROOFS.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE JUVENILE BUILDING ON THAT FIRST PAGE.
UM, HAVING ACTIVE LEAKS INSIDE, INSIDE YOUR OFFICES, OPEN FLASHINGS THAT ARE JUST LETTING WATER COME INTO THAT BUILDING.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY THAT, THAT FACILITY IS A WOOD DECK, ACTUALLY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST SITTING ON THE CONCRETE OR THE METAL DECK THAT'S SITTING THERE AND IT CAN TAKE THE WATER FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S ACTUALLY SOAKING INTO THAT DECK.
UM, AND THE, THE WORST DAY IN MY LIFE, OR THE WORST DAY ANYBODY'S LIFE IS A COLLAPSE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST BUILDING.
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PROBABLY BY FAR THE WORST.IT HAS A, IT HAS A FOAM ROOF AND THEY HAVE THEIR TIME IN THEIR PLACE.
I'M NOT HERE TO TALK BADLY ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE.
UM, BUT TH THIS ONE HAS PAST ITS LIFE.
UH, THERE'S TARPS UP THERE ON THAT ROOF COVERING UP HOLES, JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM, FROM RAINING DOWN ON, ON IN HERE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS CONTROL JOINT, YOU'RE SEEING LEAKS DOWN HERE AS WELL, UH, WHERE THIS NEW ADD-ON IS IN.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY BAD.
YOU CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE A FISHING'S GREAT.
AND YOU COULD FISH ON THAT ROOF WITH A LOT OF THE WHOLE, THE WATER THAT'S HOLDING ON THIS THING.
ALL RIGHT? UM, COURTHOUSE, ROOF, SAME THING.
WE'RE NOT JUST ADDRESSING, UH, WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PUT A NEW ROOF ON AND, UH, WE JUST DID WITH THIS VAN AUNT COUNTY, THIS COURTHOUSE, IT'S, HEY, OUR WALLS ARE LEAKING.
YOU KNOW, SO WE ADDRESS THE WHOLE SITUATION.
EVERY COPING STONE AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING WILL BE, UH, RESEALED, UM, TO MAN THAT CUZ YOU'RE HAVING WATER ACTUALLY GO IN THE COPING STONE AND DOWN INTO YOUR WALLS AND THAT WATER YOU'LL NEVER SEE UNTIL YOUR WALL STARTS TO BUBBLE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN IT'S REALLY GONE TOO FAR OPEN.
FLASHINGS PITCH PANS ARE JUST WHERE YOU CAN GET CONDUIT AND PIPE DOWN INTO THE, INTO THE ROOF.
SO NOW YOU JUST HAVE WATER POURING IN, IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
AND THEN JUST SOME GENERAL OVERVIEWS.
UH, WHEN I WORKED WITH BOBBY, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.
I PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER FOR HIM.
SO BOBBY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE 10 YEAR SOLUTIONS IF, IF THESE BUILDINGS ARE GOING AWAY AND THEY'RE GETTING TORN DOWN.
HE GOES, THAT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THESE ARE THESE, THESE ARE STABLE BUILDINGS TO THE COMMUNITIES.
UH, SO WE LOOKED AT A 30 YEAR OPTION AND THEN A 40 YEAR, THAT'S WHAT VANZANT COUNTY JUST DID ON THEIR COURTHOUSE WAS A 40 YEAR.
UH, BUT WE KIND OF SOLIDIFIED AFTER PUTTING SOME BUDGETS AND THROWING 'EM AROUND TO 30 YEAR IS, IS IS A GOOD SOLID NUMBER.
UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THAT.
THOSE ARE THE SOLUTIONS THERE THAT WE PROPOSED.
AND THEN I, I ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, HOW, HOW'S THIS PROCURED? WHY AM I HERE? WHO'S A MANUFACTURER? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ALL THIS? UH, BY BUILDING CODE, THE MANUFACTURER 1503 IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW YOUR FACILITIES GET HANDLED.
UM, WE TAKE A FULL-ON, WE'RE A TURNKEY MANUFACTURER, SO WE WORK MOSTLY COUNTIES AND SCHOOLS.
UH, JUDGE, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH JUDGE REESE OVER VANS AN SO, YES.
UH, WE JUST WORKED WITH HIM OVER THERE WHEN HE WAS THE MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR AND THEN HE MOVED INTO, NOW HE'S THE JUDGE.
AND WE FINISHED THAT PROJECT BY BUILDING CODE.
WE ARE REQUIRED AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW IT'S INSTALLED, HOW THAT SYSTEM GOES DOWN.
AND WE'RE, THE LONG TERM LIABILITY A CONTRACTOR'S PLACE IS TO INSTALL.
AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A THREE TO FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT ON, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DID GOOD WORKMANSHIP, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT IF THE MATERIAL FAILS AFTER EIGHT YEARS, THAT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN.
SO BY BUILDING CODE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE INVOLVED BY TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO HELP FULFILL, WE CAN RUN THIS THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING THAT IS, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
IT'S ALMOST HOW MOST CONTRACTING GETS DONE IN, IN EAST TEXAS WHERE OUR WORK, MOSTLY BECAUSE TIPS WAS, AND FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR, IT'S A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT.
AND THAT MEANS YOU'RE PIGGYBACKING OFF A CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN SOLICITED ALREADY.
AND WHY WE LIKE TIPS FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS BECAUSE IT'S A EAST TEXAS, IT WAS SOLICITED IN PITTSBURGH, TEXAS, MEANING IT'S RIGHT HERE AND IT APPLIES DIRECTLY THE MOST.
WELL, AND THEN, AS I SAID, WE'VE PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH THE OPTIONS.
WE PRESENTED A BUDGET, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AS THE MANUFACTURER.
WE'VE DONE ALL THE WIND LIFT UP CALCULATIONS, CONCRETE DECK FM STANDARDS, UM, 120 MILE AN HOUR WIND RATED.
SO THOSE ARE DONE ASBESTOS TESTING.
UM, THIS ROOF DOES NOT HAVE ASBESTOS, BUT THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JUVENILE DOES.
SO WE'VE ALREADY, THAT'S A PART OF EVERYTHING'S INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THAT SAFELY, UH, WORK WITH THE COUNTY DUMPSTER, UH, CONTRACTORS WE'RE READY.
WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN OUTSIDE.
IT WILL BE THE COUNTY, UH, DUMPSTER.
AND THEN EVERYTHING'S DESIGNED IN TO, TO FULFILL THIS FOR A 30 YEAR OPTION.
THIS IS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG DEAL.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BRING THESE BUILDINGS INTO THE NEXT 30 YEARS TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND WHY I'M HERE IS I'M, I'M LIABLE.
WE'RE AN EMPLOYEE OWNED COMPANY.
IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, EVERYBODY'S GOT MY NUMBER AND KNOWS WHERE IT IS.
AND TARGET'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNER IN THIS.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DO A GREAT JOB.
AND, UH, WE THANK YOU AND WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THAT TIME.
WHAT IS YOUR TIME OF SCHEDULE IF IT'S APPROVED TODAY? IF IT'S APPROVED? UM, WE'LL, UH, I HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT IF IT'S APPROVED.
I'LL LINE OUT MATERIAL BY THE END OF THE DAY, MEANING THAT IT'S HIT PRODUCTION FLOOR.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THE CON USUALLY CONTRACT TAKES A WEEK OR SO JUST TO KIND OF HASH OUT, UH, BETWEEN PURCHASING AND, UH, AND EVERYBODY.
AND THEN WITHIN, UH, 14 DAYS OF CONTRACT, WE'RE STARTING AND WE'RE GONNA START ON THIS BUILDING HERE BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOUR WORST ONE.
UM, IT'S TAKING LOTS OF WATER.
THE NEXT BIG STORM MIGHT JUST BE THE ONE THAT CAUSES WAY MORE ISSUES.
TO, TO UNDERSTAND TO, THEY'RE GONNA STRIP THIS COMPLETELY DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE DECK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO ALL THE STUFF THAT'S ON THERE NOW, ALL THE FOAM THAT'S ON THERE, EVERYTHING WILL BE STRIPPED DOWN TO THE DECK AND THEN REBUILT BACK UP FROM THERE.
AND, AND YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT MATERIALS YOU'RE USING TO DO THAT, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS JUDGE, THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US TODAY.
KEN OVER SO THEY CAN GET YOU ON THE MICROPHONE.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING US TODAY.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ROOFING AT TARGET SOLUTIONS.
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CONSTRUCTION SERVICE.UH, WE'RE BASED IN WACO, TEXAS.
UH, WE SPECIALIZE IN LOW SLOPE, UH, AND STEEP SLOPE COMMERCIAL ROOFING APPLICATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A RESTORATION DIVISION WHERE WE, IF YOUR BUILDING BURNS DOWN OR UH, SPRINKLE SYSTEM GOES OFF AND FLOODS OUT YOUR BUILDING, WE ACTUALLY COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE DO HAVE IT PHASED OUT TO RUN THREE CON TO RUN CONSECUTIVELY RATHER THAN CONCURRENTLY.
SO WE CAN FOCUS ON EACH BUILDING INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, WE CAN ALTER THAT PHASING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE US TO DO.
BUT AS, UH, STEVE SAID, STARTING HERE WITH THE, WITH THE ANNEX, REMOVING THE ROOF ASSEMBLIES COMPLETELY DOWN TO THE DECK, GOING IN WITH NEW INSULATION TO INCREASE THE R VALUE OF THE ROOF OF THE ASSEMBLIES, NOW INCREASED THE BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND ALSO ADDRESS DRAINAGE ISSUES.
YOUR, OUR VALUE ON THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS ZERO.
YOU'RE COMPLETELY SATURATED TO YOUR DECK.
SO THERE'S, ONCE YOU'RE SATURATED, THERE IS NO INSULATION VALUE ANYMORE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SIGNIFICANT ACTUALLY HELP, UH, ON THAT PIECE RIGHT ON BACK IN THERE.
SO, SO WE WILL BE INCREASING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ALSO ASSESSING THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
LET'S, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THESE PONDING PROBLEMS ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, BUILT IN FOR, UM, FOR INCREASED FLOW, UH, TAPERED INSULATION TO INCREASE THE FLOW OF THE WATER TO GET IT OFF THE BUILDING PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE, ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS IN THE INDUSTRY OF THE NCA STANDARDS, WE HAVE 72 HOURS TO GET THE, TO GET THE WATER OFF THE BUILDING WON'T BE A PROBLEM ANYMORE.
THIS WILL BE, THESE WILL BE DRAINED PROPERLY.
UM, AS STEVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DO CARRY, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE YEARS, IS THE, UH, IS OUR WARRANTY PERIOD THAT WE ARE LIABLE FOR.
UH, OUR GOAL AS TARGET IS TO BE A LONG-TERM PARTNER.
SO IF YOU HAVE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS I OWN THE WORKMANSHIP ON IT, WE WILL COME OUT AND FIX IT FREE OF CHARGE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, WE WANNA BE A PARTNER FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE CARE OF ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY, ANY OTHER PROBLEMS YOU HAVE, WHETHER ON THESE, THESE BUILDINGS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND BEYOND OR ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO BE A PARTNER FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.
UM, AND AS AND AS PART AS GARLAND, IT'S A YEARLY INSPECTION.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE, CUZ A LOT OF TIMES IT GOES, OH, MY MANUFACTURER SAID IT, IT WAS 30 YEAR WARRANTY.
BUT THEN THEY VOIDED OUR WARRANTY.
IT GOES WELL YEAH, BECAUSE IT WASN'T MAINTAINED.
OR WHAT IF WE DO YEARLY INSPECTION.
SO WE'LL BE UP ON THESE ROOFS EVERY YEAR FOR THAT TERM.
AND SO IF IT'S, HEY, THIS IS, THIS COULD CAUSE A PROBLEM TO GET IT OUTTA WARRANTY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IT.
SO WE'RE PROACTIVE IN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND TELL YOU A 30 YEAR WARRANTY AND THEN HAND YOU A BUNCH OF, LIST OF EXCLUSIONS WHY WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF IT.
WE'RE HERE, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
UH, AS FAR AS PHASING GOES, WE WILL, WE, WE CAN EASILY COMMIT TO ONCE WE'VE GOT THE CONTRACT IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S AN AIA OR CSA, UH, IN PLACE THAT WE CAN BEGIN WORK WITHIN 14 DAYS.
SO WE LOOK LIKE WE'RE SHOULD BE ON TRACK TO START THIS WITHIN THE MONTH OF APRIL.
SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR ESTIMATION TIME TO REPLACE RESTORATION ROOF OVERALL PROJECTS? 60 TO 70 DAYS.
ALL 360 TO 70 GOOD WEATHER DAYS.
SO PLEASE LET ME PUT THAT CAVEAT IN.
I WILL NOT TAKE YOUR ROOF OFF IF THERE'S MORE THAN A 15% CHANCE OF RAIN PROTECTED THE ROOF OFF OF HERE.
HOW DO YOU PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO BE COMING IN THE BACK? CAUSE I ASSUME YOU PUT DUMPSTERS RIGHT HERE TO PUT THE OLD STUFF IN.
THAT, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PRE, IF IT'S APPROVED TODAY, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PRE-CON CONSTRUCTION WITH BOBBY.
WE'LL HAVE A FULL WALK AROUND WITH THE TEAM AND SAY, BOBBY, WE'D LIKE TO STORE MATERIAL HERE.
IS THIS OKAY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, UH, WE'D LIKE TO STORE DUMPSTERS HERE.
IS THAT OKAY? WE DON'T USUALLY LAY OUT ALL THOSE LOGISTICS UNTIL, CUZ THAT KIND OF, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PROCESS.
BUT WE'LL WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH THE DUMPSTERS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DUMP A PUT A DUMPSTER ON YOUR SIDEWALK IF YOU CAN'T.
WE'LL WORK WHEREVER IT HAS TO BE.
AND THEN THE LAST PART IS, ANY TIME DURING A TEAR OFF, UM, THAT HAPPENS.
ANY, NOTHING WILL BE TORN OFF.
THAT CAN'T BE BACK WATERPROOFED THE SAME DAY.
MEANING, AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN COMPLETED.
THERE'S MULTI-LEVELS OF WATERPROOFING, BUT IT'LL AT LEAST HAVE A BASE LAYER BACK DOWN, UM, TO NOT LET WATER BACK INTO THE BUILDING.
SOMETIMES YOU JUST SAY, HEY, START ROOFING GETS TORN OFF, WATER STARTS COMING IN.
YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY.
AND THEN PART OF OUR WARRANTY PROGRAM IS PART OF WHAT WE DO.
YOU'LL GET A FULL, USUALLY GOES TO BOBBY AND HE DISTRIBUTES HOW HE'D, LIKE, YOU'LL GET A FULL WEEKLY REPORT EVERY WEEK OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
PICTURES SHOWING WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE A LOT OF MANUFACTURERS WILL SAY, OH, IT WASN'T INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
IF YOU GOT A WEEKLY REPORT FROM US, THE ENTIRE PROJECT, I'LL, I'LL PUT A CAVEAT ON THAT.
YOU'LL ACTUALLY GET, THAT'LL COME FROM GARLAND FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
YOU'LL ALSO GET A DAILY REPORT FROM US, FROM OUR PROJECT MANAGER CALLED AN UP AN OPM.
IT'S AN ONLINE PROJECT MANAGEMENT PORTAL.
UH, THERE'LL BE PHOTOS OF EV OF THE PRODUCTION DURING THE, UH, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
YOU'LL HAVE, UH, SAFETY REPORTING EVERY DAY.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE JSAS, UH, EVERY DAY JOB, SAFE JOB SITE SAFETY ANALYSIS.
THERE'LL BE A JOB SITE HAZARD ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY OUR HSE DIRECTOR.
UH, THERE'LL BE A A, THERE IS A, A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT DOES INCLUDE A CRANE TO FLY OFF SOME UNITS OFF OF THE COURTHOUSE.
SO YOU'LL RECEIVE A FLIGHT PLAN, YOU'LL RECEIVE, UH, THOSE SAFETY, UH, PLANS LAID OUT BEFORE WE BEGIN.
AND THAT'LL BE IN COORDINATION WITH BOBBY AS WELL.
WE CAN PUT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE ON THAT DISTRO LIST FOR THOSE DAILY UPDATES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE EVERY DAY.
OR BOBBY CAN GET 'EM IN FOR 'EM AS, AS, UH, AS NEST ES.
AND AT THE END OF THE 70 DAYS ROUGHLY ON THE PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 10,000
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PHOTOS OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.UH, WE WE'RE, WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIPS.
WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF LET'S COME IN, LET'S ROOF SOME BUILDINGS AND LET'S GET OUT OF TOWN BEFORE THEY CATCH US.
DO YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH PHOTOS TO KNOW WHY YOU DON'T WANT DO ROOFING IN TEXAS IN MAY.
SO, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A WORKING BUILDING.
IF THERE'S HOURS THAT HEY, ON TUESDAYS AT NOON YOU CANNOT DO THIS.
WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ALL THAT WITH BOBBY.
JUST, YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET US KNOW AS ADVANCED.
IF WE HAVE TO, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING A BIG PROJECT FOR RUSS COUNTY RIGHT NOW, WATERPROOFING, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING, UH, A BIG COURT SESSION.
SO WE HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS AND WALLS AT THAT POINT.
AND WE'RE FINISHING THE BUILDING AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST SCHEDULED STUFF.
UH, I HAPPEN TO REMEMBERED THAT, UH, WHEN YOU BRING A CRANE IN, GET WITH THE STATE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS QUITE A, QUITE A DEAL HERE A WHILE BACK WHEN WE BROUGHT A CRANE TO GET ON THE ROOF COURTHOUSE.
UH, WE JUST, SOME HISTORY, NOT WITH GARLAND, BUT GARLAND'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY WITH, UH, WITH COURTHOUSES IN TEXAS.
I REDID THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR FOR PARKER COUNTY A FEW YEARS BACK.
SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH WORKING IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FOREIGN CONCEPT TO US.
OUR PROJECT, OUR SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THIS JOB HAS 35 YEARS IN THIS INDUSTRY WORKING WITH COUNTIES, CITIES, SCHOOLS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE USED TO.
I TALKING ABOUT STATE HIGHWAY.
AGAIN, PARKER COUNTY FLY BLUE CRANES OVER THE TOP OF ONE OF, UH, STATE HIGHWAY THERE.
VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALL THOSE PLANS.
WE'RE WE GOT A CHRISTUS HEALTH JOB COMING UP.
IT'S TECH DOCK SKYBRIDGE, WHICH LAND CLOSURE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HANDLE ALL RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
BOBBY, WHERE ARE YOU PAYING THIS FROM? UM, I'M LEAVING THAT UP TO, UH, JUDGE ALLEN TO DECIDE
DOES THIS BID HAVE ALL THREE BUILDINGS? YES MA'AM.
I'M KIND OF SAD THOUGH CUZ MY CORNER WAS GOOD FOR FISHING.
THEY HAD A NICE TREE AND WHEN, UH, COMMISSIONER WEST RETIRED, WE PULLED THE TREE OFF AND GAVE IT TO 'EM AS A PARTYING GIFT.
UM, WE, WE CAN FULFILL ANY NEEDS YOU WANT.
THIS'LL WE'LL GET YOU A GOLDFISH BOWL.
OKAY? WE'LL GET YOU A GOLDFISH BOWL.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS LONG PAST DUE, SO YES.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD UNTIL WE MOVED BACK IN THE OLD COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER PHELPS AND I WERE IN THE JUVENILE CENTER HERE A WHILE BACK.
THE, THE CEILING WAS IN ON THEIR, UH, TABLE IN THEIR BREAK ROOM.
YOU COULDN'T YEAH, IT WAS PITIFUL.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
SO IN SOME WAYS I FEEL LIKE THAT ONE OVER, THERE'S ACTUALLY WORSE THAN THIS ONE.
CAUSE THERE THERE'S MORE WATER COMING ON THE INSIDE OVER THERE THAN THERE'S MORE WATER COMING ON THE INSIDE.
THERE'S MORE WATER SITTING ON THIS, DEPENDING ON THAT IS MUCH WORSE.
OH, I KNOW, CUZ I KNOW, KNOW THAT ONE DRAIN OVER HERE, IT DOESN'T DRAIN AT ALL.
YOU HAVE BOND ACKNOW? YES, SIR.
OKAY, SO I NEED, NEED A MOTION GUYS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS BISHOP.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR NAME TAG AROUND A LETTER OF INTENT SIGN SO WE CAN GET MATERIAL ORDERED.
WHERE I STUCK IT IN ONE OF THESE FILES.
[13. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider awarding Bid tt 23-05 Annual Contract: Chip sealing of county roads]
ITEM NUMBER THIRTEENS JACK BASH.DISCUSSED, CONSIDERED WARNING BID 23 DASH OH FIVE THE ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR CHIP SEATING OF COUNTY ROADS.
JUDGE IS A CONTRACT THAT, UH, PRECINCT, UH, ONE REQUEST THAT WE DO.
AND, UH, WE SENT OUT SIX BIDS AND WERE RECEIVED TWO.
AND THE COMMISSIONER IS RECOMMENDING, UH, WARD, UH, BASED ON THE ALTERNATE BID.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM WAS BASED ON A C S TWO P AND IN P TWO A C W E PRODUCT.
BUT THE, UH, SECOND UH, ITEM, THE ALTERNATE BID IS AN AC 20 TACK.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO GO WITH.
SO I, I WOULD MAKE THAT BA BASED ON $3 AND 9 CENTS PER SQUARE UH, YARD.
COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? NO.
APPROVE I A MOTION TO APPROVE.
NEED A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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THANK YOU.[14. Commissioner Barber; Discuss/Consider approval of Precinct 3 2019 Road Bond funding transfers in the amount of S233.501.44.]
COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSED CONSIDERED APPROVAL OF PRECINCT 3 20 19 ROAD BOND FUNDING TRANSFERS IN AMOUNT OF $233,501 AND 44 CENTS.KAREN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID ON THIS.
WE HAD GET ALL THIS STUFF COORDINATED OF COURSE, BETWEEN, UH, AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND ITS FINALLY GOT IT ALL WORKED OUT AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE COMING BACK TO US AND I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE APPROVE THIS TRANSFER.
[15. Tandi Smith; Discuss/consider approving Certification of Unopposed Candidates and Order Cancelling Election for the City of Grays Prairie.]
DISCUSS CONSIDERED APPROVING THE CERT CERTIFI CERTIFICATION,SO AS SUSPECTED, WE ARE ABLE TO OFFICIALLY CANCEL THE ELECTION FOR GRACE PRAIRIE AFTER WE RECOGNIZE THE CERTIFICATION OF THEIR UNAP POST CANDIDATES.
WE CALLED THE ELECTION LAST MONTH, UM, DUE TO THE VACANCIES THEY HAD ON THEIR COUNCIL, THE MAYOR ONLY RECEIVED FIVE APPLICATIONS.
THERE ARE ONLY FIVE COUNCIL SPOTS.
SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN THE CITY OF GREENSBURG.
NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
[16. Auditor; Discuss/Consider approving the restructure of the Auditor's office to hire an additional degreed accountant.]
ER NUMBER 16.APPROVING THE RESTRUCTURE OF THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO HIRE AN ADDITIONAL DEGREE ACCOUNTANT.
I KIND OF MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME AND THEY SLAPPED MY HAND
UM, IT WAS JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, BUT ANYWAY, I, UH, SUBMITTED THIS SO YOU COULD LOOK AT IT.
HONOR, HONOR IF YOU TURN ON THE MICROPHONE.
I SUBMITTED IT, THE SHEET CALCULATING WHAT I NEEDED FOR THE REST OF THE PAY PERIODS AND JUST ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OR READY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND YOU'RE ONLY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $23,000 BETWEEN NOW IN SEPTEMBER THE 30TH.
UH, AND MONEY YOU FOUND THE MONEY FROM? YES SIR.
UH, YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S SALARIES THAT WE OWE.
THE JUDGE HAS PAID OUT GENERAL FUNDS.
DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO GROW WITH IT.
AND SO WE'RE, TO THAT POINT, I THINK THE DA NEEDED SMELLED TOO.
AND SHE GOT, BUT SHE GOT HER FUNDING ELSEWHERE, SO THAT HELPED OUT ALSO.
SO ANY DISCUSSION, THE RECOMMENDATION, ALL THE GRANTS AND, AND THE NEW SOFTWARE AND STUFF AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE NEW
EVERYTHING WE GOT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER PHELPS MAKES THE MOTION.
[17. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]
17, MR. AUDITOR, AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER LINE, ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS OR CORRECTIONS.THESE WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR REVIEW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO NOT.
Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I NEED A MOTION IN.
MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO ACCEPT.
[18. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]
NUMBER 18, MS. AUDITOR, AGAIN, DISCUSS OR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY YOU.YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE 1,000,600 $27,836 AND 26 CENTS.
A PAYROLL OF 1,000,700 4,000 349 29 MAKING A TOTAL PAYOUT OF 3 MILLION 332 180 5 AND 55 CENTS.
YOU NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
[19. Adjourn Meeting]
MAKES THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT.
DON'T TAKE, I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION FOR YOU.