Jun 20, 2023 Commissioners Court

NOW, THIRD REGION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

SO IF WE WILL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, TOMMY, AND THEN PLEDGE BY MR. COMMISSIONER TERRY.

YOU WILL STAND WITH ME, PLEASE.

GOD, LET US PRAY DEARLY.

FATHER THE LORD.

UH, AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.

WE COME TOGETHER AND, UH, DO BUSINESS FOR THE COUNTY.

LORD, WE PRAY THAT AS DECISIONS ARE MADE, THAT WE DO IT AT THE GOODWILL OF THE HEART.

LORD, WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU DO BESTOW UPON US.

WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH, UH, ANNABELLE AND HER FAMILY THROUGH A TRAGIC EVENT.

UH, WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU BE WITH, UH, PRECINCT THREE'S, RALPH, UH, WITH, UH, SOME MEDICAL STUFF, AND THAT YOU'LL BE WITH HIM AS WELL.

LORD, WE JUST, AGAIN, GIVE YOU PRAISE FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US.

AND WE JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR GLORY.

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

AMEN.

AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, ALL UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLACE ALLEGIANCE BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVISIBLE.

I GUESS JUST AS FYI, UH, MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT ANNABELLE'S HOUSE CAUGHT ON FIRE EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.

AND SO SHE'S OUT AND WE DON'T KNOW THE CAUSE OF IT YET, BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE SAFE.

THEY WERE OUT OF TOWN, BUT THEY HAVE TO START ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH.

SO KEEP THEM, UH, IN YOUR PRAYERS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.

UH, CONSENT

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AGENDA.

IF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT.

A IS DISCUSSED.

ACCEPT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE THE 13TH OF 23, AND B, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF THE INTERLOCAL CORPORATION CONTRACT BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES AND THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR ACCESS TO TEXAS.

EVER.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHELPS MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE.

YOU NEED A SECOND? SECOND, MR. BARB, MAKE A SECOND.

NUMBER THREE IS PAM CARTER.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

B I MEAN,

[3. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider appointing Dr. Beverly Burr, Pct. 3; and Alison Storey Novak, Pct. 1, to the Kaufman County Historical Commission.]

MS. PAM, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS APPOINTING DR.

BEVERLY BURR PRECINCT THREE IN ALLISON STORY NOVA PRECINCT ONE TO THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO Y'ALL.

UM, I APOLOGIZE.

I DID THINK WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE LADIES JOIN US.

SOMETHING MUST HAVE HAPPENED, BUT, UM, WE HAD SOME OPENINGS ON OUR COMMISSIONER'S, UM, HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND WE, UM, HAVE DR.

BEVERLY BURR.

SHE WAS, UH, WITH THE TERRELL I S D FOR YEARS.

SO SHE'S A RETIRED EDUCATOR AND, UM, SHE'S VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THE HISTORY, UM, OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.

BUT SHE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERRELL, SO IT REALLY, REALLY HELPS US.

AND THEN ALLISON NOVAK, SHE IS, UM, FROM POST OAK BEND AREA AND HER FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE FOR YEARS.

UH, HER FAMILY VERY INVOLVED WITH THE TAR STATE HOSPITAL AND SHE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE MUSEUM THAT THEY HAVE THERE.

AND SO, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT THESE TWO LADIES WANNA JOIN US.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE PART TO HELP US.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PAM? IF NOT, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'D LIKE THE MOTION.

MR. HUNT MAKES THE MOTION.

YOU SECOND.

SECOND.

MR. PHILLIPS MAY 2ND.

FOUR, MS. PAM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA INVITE OUR CHAIRMAN.

[4. Pam Corder; To recognize the Kaufman County Historical Commission for receiving the "Distinguished Service Award" for 2022.]

THIS IS MR. JIM DAVIS, AND HE'S JUST GONNA TALK TO YOU.

UM, I THINK YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE DISTINGUISHED SERVICE? I DO.

SO LET ME READ THIS TO RECOGNIZE THE CUL COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR RECEIVING THE DIS DISTINGUISHED SERVICE AWARD FOR 2022.

AND I DO HAVE IT.

GOOD.

SO THERE ARE, UH, DIFFERENT, THERE'S A CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO MEET EACH YEAR TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS DISTINGUISHED SERVICE AWARD.

AND I'M GONNA LET MR. DAVIS TELL YOU A FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

YES, JIM.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO A LOT OF IS TAKE CARE OF THE CEMETERIES.

WE'VE GOT, UH, 139 CEMETERIES IN THE, IN THE COUNTY THAT WE KNOW OF.

THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL FINDING, AND WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE LAST YEAR.

AND SO WE FIND MORE CEMETERIES AS WE GO ALONG.

BUT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE CEMETERIES AS BEST WE CAN.

WE DO A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL MARKERS.

WE PUT UP HISTORICAL MARKERS SOME LAST YEAR.

WE DID SEVERAL OF THEM.

WE HAD THE FRUITION HERE JUST RECENTLY FOR, UH, THE ONE DOWN IN KAUFMAN.

WHAT WAS DONE HERE SATURDAY BEFORE LAST.

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UH, SATURDAY BEFORE LAST WITH, UH, THE BLACK BLACKSMITH WHO, THE FIRST BLACKSMITH WHO BECAME AN AUTOMOBILE MECHANIC ON THE FIRST CAR THAT WAS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO IT, UH, WE FIND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE RUN INTO IT'S HISTORY THAT WE LOVE IT AND WE LOVE TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

BUT WE DO A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, UH, TRYING TO PUT THE HISTORICAL MARKERS UP.

WE HAVE A LOT OF, OF CITIES AND CHURCHES AND CEMETERIES THAT WON'T, HISTORICAL MARKERS.

WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM GETTING 'EM FROM THE STATE, BUT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW GETTING BACK TO THE POINT THAT WE WILL BE GETTING MARKERS IN AND DO BE PUTTING UP MORE OF 'EM IN THE NEXT, UH, FEW, FEW MONTHS.

SO THAT'S, AND THEY DO ONLY ACCEPT THE APPLICATION FOR MARKERS FOR MARCH TO MAY.

AND SO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THE NEW ONES THAT WE HAVE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT REQUEST.

AND SO, UH, WE HAVE THREE CEMETERIES.

WE HAVE A BRIDGE AND THERE'S A BUILDING THAT, UH, RIGHT.

THAT'S IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED.

COOL.

SO WE'LL BE VERY BUSY TRYING TO GET THE APPLICATIONS READY TO GET TURNED IN.

THE STATE HAD A COMPANY THAT WAS MAKING THE MARKERS AND THAT COMPANY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.

AND SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO MAKE MARKERS, AND SO WE HAD A PROBLEM.

AND SO NOW THEY, THEY SAY THEY HAVE LOCATED ANOTHER COMPANY, THEY WILL DO IT.

SO WE'LL SEE.

WELL, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.

WELL, JIM, THANK YOU FOR ALL Y'ALL'S WORK THAT Y'ALL DO.

THAT'S LABOR INTENSIVE, I'M SURE.

AND THEY DO ALL THE RESEARCH.

OH, WE DO A LOT OF THE RESEARCH.

THERE'S THE MAN THAT DOES A LOT OF THE RESEARCH.

, MIKE DOES A LOT OF THE RESEARCH AND HELPS.

DON'T, DON'T, DON'T GIVE HIM .

AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS AWARD.

AND IF Y'ALL WOULD COME UP FRONT AND WE GET, UH, MR. DONNA, WOULD YOU GET A PICTURE OF US PLEASE? YOU GUYS COME AROUND ROUND OVER HERE.

JIM, YOU HOLD THAT IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN SEE THAT.

MA'AM.

OVER, YEAH.

WHERE MY TURN? WE CAN'T SEE YOU.

CAN YOU SEE? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHRINK .

THAT AIN'T HAPPENING.

PUT THAT IN THE FILE.

FIVE THEN IS MS. PAM, AGAIN DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE BYLAWS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE KAPEN COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES AND PET ADOPTION CENTER OF THE COUNTY.

SO NUMBER

[5. Pam Corder; Discuss/Consider the by-laws of the Advisory Committee for the Kaufman County Animal Services and Pet Adoption Center of Kaufman County.]

WITH THE HELP FROM OUR CIVILS, UM, AND MS. DEBBIE BONNER, WE HAVE CAME UP WITH THE BYLAWS.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE BYLAWS.

WE'VE HAD TWO ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS, WHICH ARE GOING VERY, UM, VERY SMOOTH.

UM, EVERYONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND WORKING TOGETHER, BUT THEY DID ASK FOR A CHANGE.

AND THEN, UM, SO THEY JUST WANTED TO TRY TO OFFSET THE YEARS BECAUSE THAT WAY NOT EVERYONE'S STARTING OVER AT THE SAME TIME.

SO HAVING TWO OF THE MEMBERS BE A PART OF IT FOR TWO YEARS AND TWO OF THEM BE A PART OF IT FOR ONE YEAR SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE FRESH PEOPLE OR NEW PEOPLE RIGHT.

ON THE BOARD.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGES THAT WE HAD.

AND SO IF YOU ARE, ARE IN AGREEMENT IN THIS, WE WILL GET THIS SIGNED AND GET IT, UM, TAKEN CARE OF SO THAT WE CAN BE OFFICIAL WITH OUR ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE PET ADOPTION CENTER.

WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AVE VETERINARIAN ON THE BOARD.

WHAT IF WE CYCLE THROUGH ALL THE VETS THAT WANT TO DO IT? OH, THEN WE WILL KEEP, GET IN IN TROUBLE.

I MEAN, CAUSE IT'S KINDA SPECIFIC.

IT'S A STATE THAT IS A STATE MANDATE.

IT'S A STATE MANDATE.

SO ROTATING YEARS, IF WE'VE GOT ONE VET THAT WANTS TO, THAT ENJOYS DOING THE SERVICE AND WANTS TO STAY THERE AS LONG AS HE WANTS TO, THEY CAN DEFINITELY STAY.

SO AT THIS, ALRIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A, DR.

URSO HAS REALLY, SO I MEAN, HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.

HE HAS GREAT IDEAS, GREAT IDEAS.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT HE REALLY BRINGS A LOT TO THE TABLE.

THAT'S GOOD.

AND IF YOU, THOSE, THOSE MEMBERS ARE, UH, MS. KELLY WEAVER, DR.

JOE URSO AND NELDA CORBELL, UM, AND VERONICA SLATON ARE OUR MEMBERS.

WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT.

VERY IMPORTANT.

ANY QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

DO YOU SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHILLIP.

OH, BARBARA DON'T LOOK ALIKE.

I YOU JUST WENT UP IN CLASS.

I DID.

I JUST WENT UP AND I GOT OVER IF A MOTION A SECOND.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVE THE ASSURANCE RELATING TO REAL ESTATE PROPERTY ACQUISITION REGARDING THE REHAB OF DAM AND S SPILLWAY FOR THE LOWER EAST FOR LATERAL NUMBER 10.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, MR. OWEN, IT'S YOUR TURN.

[6. Owen Cantrell; Discuss/Consider/ Approve "Assurances Relating to Real Property Acquisition" regarding rehabilitation of dam and spillway for Lower East Fork Lateral 10.]

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THIS, UH, THIS DOCUMENT IS, GOES ALONG WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS ALREADY, UH, FINISHED.

THIS WAS THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION RIGHT.

DOCUMENT SAYING THAT HE IS REVIEWED AND ALL THE EASEMENTS IN HIS OPINION WERE GOOD.

AND THIS DOCUMENT, THIS ASSURANCE, SAYS THAT WE HAVE A ACQUIRED ALL EASEMENTS THAT IS NECESSARY AND THAT WE WILL NOT BE ENCROACHING ON ANY PROPERTY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE EASEMENT ON.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY, THEY GO TOGETHER.

AND BOTH OF THESE GO TO THE, UH, NRCS FOR THEIR, THIS IS PART OF THIS IS NEXT TO THE LAST STEP, OR HOPEFULLY THE LAST HOOP WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH.

AND THE LAST ONE IS, IS THE EAPS.

AND STEVE SAID THAT THEY ARE JUST ABOUT FINISHED WITH IT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE, THIS PROJECT WILL BE READY TO GO TO CONTRACT OR GO OUT FOR BIDS HERE IN, IN THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS.

WHERE DO YOU THINK CONSTRUCTION COULD BEGIN? HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

REALLY? OKAY.

HOPE, HOPEFULLY, I'M HOPING THIS THING, THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR LONG TIME.

SIX YEARS.

WOW.

AND, UH, OF COURSE AT THE GOVERNMENT OPERATION , THERE'S FEDERAL DOLLARS IN IT.

AND OF COURSE, EVERY TIME, ANYTIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THROW A FEDERAL DOLLAR IN THE, IN THE MIX, THERE'S A LOT.

AND THAT THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE MANY HOOPS THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH.

WELL, BUT WE HAVE IT TIED DOWN.

IT'S LEGAL.

THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT THE DISTRICT, THE SOIL WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT APPROVED THIS AT THEIR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS, UH, JUNE THE SEVENTH.

AND THIS IS THE ORIGINAL.

DO YOU WANT IT TO, TO SIGN? YES, SIR.

I'LL DO IT RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YOU CAN HAVE IT RIGHT BACK.

CAUSE I HAVE THE COPY.

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD LAST? PROBABLY TWO YEARS.

EIGHT, I'D SAY 18 TO 24 MONTHS.

LOT OF DIRT WORK.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE.

CONCRETE.

THIS IS GONNA HAVE A, WHAT THEY CALL A LABYRINTH REAR SPILLWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAM.

IT'S AN ACCORDION LOOKING SPILLWAY.

AND THERE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAM, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAM, INSTEAD OF, THEY WILL STILL HAVE THE EARTH AND SPILLWAY OKAY.

ON ONE SIDE.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE A CONCRETE SPILLWAY IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S SIX INCHES BELOW THE EARTH AND SPILLWAY.

SO WATER WILL GO OVER THE CONCRETE BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO THAT, BEFORE IT GETS TO THE EARTH.

AND SPILLWAY EVEN MORE THAN OUT MAYBE.

AND HOPE, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD NEVER.

AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT A, THIS ONE HAS ONE OF THOSE SMALL PIPES IN IT, LIKE, JUST LIKE THE ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I KNOW.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH A 48 INCH PIPE.

BUT THAT'LL HELP.

THAT WHAT I LIKE AN OURS THAT WILL KEEP IT FROM SHOULD NEVER GET TO THE SPILLWAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT WON'T EVER, BECAUSE THAT SPILLWAYS THERE FOR A REASON.

BUT, UH, IT'LL TAKE A LOT OF WATER.

IT'LL TAKE A LOT OF WATER TO DEPEND.

GET UP THERE.

DEPEND ON HOW, HOW LONG IT IS.

I MEAN, IF IT'S, IT'S LONG, IT'S, IT, IT DOES HAVE A HARD TIME EVER GETTING THERE.

NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

MR. FEL MAKES THE MOTION.

I'LL SAY SECOND.

PERMISSION HUNT.

WHO WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT THIS PART? IT NOTARY, UH, ASK THE ATTORNEY RIGHT OVER THERE.

WE NEED TO FILL BETTER PROBABLY TO BE FILED WITH THE CLERK LAURA'S OFFICE.

MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT TO LAURA'S OFFICE.

GIVE IT TO THE LADY RIGHT BACK THERE.

[7. Chuck Monkern; Present/Accept the Treasurer's monthly report for May 2023.]

SIR.

MR. CHUCK BOURN.

PRESENT AND ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S MONTHLY REPORT FROM MAY OF 23.

MORNING.

UH, WE, UH, ENDED MAY WITH 32.7 MILLION.

UH, IN FUND 10.

WE EARNED $3,954 ON, UH, ACCOUNTS IN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK.

$479,179 WERE EARNED ON TEXAS POOL AND TEXAS CLASS.

OUR, UH, TOTAL INVESTED INT POOL $15,866,494.

TOTAL

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INVESTED IN TEXAS CLASS 88,979,673.

OUR AVERAGE YIELD ON TEX POOL INVESTMENT LAST MONTH, 5.2054%.

THE AVERAGE YIELD ON TEXAS CLASS WAS 5.1952%.

WE ARE COLLATERALIZED AT AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AT 152% AS OF THE END OF MAY, WHICH IS WELL OVER WHAT'S LEGALLY REQUIRED.

AND WE HAVE 64.74% OF OUR CASH INVESTED INT POOL AND TEXAS CLASS.

35% IS IN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK.

WE, UH, WROTE 290 RECEIPTS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY FOR A TOTAL OF 2.7 MILLION.

ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S A VERY GOOD REPORT.

DO Y'ALL HAVE TIME TO LOOK OVER EVERYTHING? YEAH, WE'RE IN REALLY PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, I THINK.

I THINK WE ARE.

INTEREST RATES ARE UP, WHICH REALLY HELPS A LOT.

THAT'S TRUE.

YOU COMPARE THAT TO LAST YEAR.

AT THIS TIME WE'RE WEIGH DOLLARS A HIT.

OH YES.

WHICH IS VERY MUCH SO GOOD.

WE WERE LOOKING AT INTEREST RATES LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME OF 0.8, 0.8 1 25.

HILLS? YES, SIR.

I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

MR. BARBER MAKES A MOTION.

IF YOU WILL SIGN THAT.

ROUND.

THANK YOU CHUCK.

[8. Jim Cook/Jonathan Chandler; Discuss/Consider County insurance rates for FY 2023-2024.]

NUMBER EIGHT.

MR. JIM COOK AND JONATHAN CHANDLER DISCUSSED CONSIDERED COUNTY ENTRANCE RATES FOR 2324 FISCAL YEAR FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.

UH, THIS IS JONATHAN CHANDLER.

GOOD MORNING, JIM.

HE IS AN EMPLOYEE BENEFIT CONSULTANT FOR TAC.

I BROUGHT HIM UP IN CASE Y'ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RATE INCREASES LATE FRIDAY.

I SENT Y'ALL AN EMAIL WITH THE NUMBERS.

, UM, I BROUGHT EXTRA COPIES IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET IT.

I DON'T HAVE A COPY JUST CAUSE OKAY.

I GOT A PILE OF STUFF AND I DIDN'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

AND ALSO BOUGHT THE ENROLLMENT PACKET, PUT ALL THE NUMBERS FILLED IN.

ANY CHANGES FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER? WHATEVER Y'ALL YEAH, I WANNA GET A COPY OF THIS.

I'LL MAKE SURE I, I FILLED OUT THE NUMBERS.

THE, THEY MIGHT HAVE GOT THE BLANK COPY, WHICH I CAN SEND THEM THE ONE WITH THE NUMBERS.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM.

I'LL SEND IT.

I'LL SEND IT WHEN I GET BACK UPSTAIRS.

OKAY, GOOD.

BUT THAT'S GOT ANY CHANGES IN IT THAT Y'ALL MIGHT NEED FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT JONATHAN'S HERE IN CASE Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THANKS.

THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

I DID THE MATH LAST WEEK AND WHENEVER YOU START ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, IT REALLY KIND OF YES, SIR.

RUN OUT OF TIME.

SO YES, SIR, JONATHAN.

THE NETWORK'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.

I, SO I'M HAPPY TO JUST SPEAK BRIEFLY TO, UH, THE RENEWAL AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF KIND OF WHERE EVERYTHING'S AT.

UM, SO YOUR RENEWAL INCREASE, UH, WAS NINE AND A HALF, OR SORRY, 9.1%.

UH, THE AVERAGE RENEWAL INCREASE WAS 6.2%.

SO THE REASON WHY KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE, UH, IS BASED ON MAINLY ON YOUR LOSS RATIO AND ALSO YOUR, YOUR LOCATION.

SO DFW IS THE SECOND MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO RECEIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE STATE NEXT TO, OF ALL PLACES WE SHOULD TELL FALLS.

UM, BUT A LOT OF YOUR FOLKS END UP GOING INTO DFW, IT MAY MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

SO IT IS A REALLY EXPENSIVE PLACE TO GET CARE.

UM, BUT ALSO WITH THAT, THAT LOSS RATIO OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS WAS 123%.

SO WHAT THAT NUMBER IS LOSS RATIO AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

IT MEANS EVERY DOLLAR IN CONTRIBUTIONS IS PAID OUT IN CLAIMS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PAYING OUT ABOUT A DOLLAR 23 FOR EVERY DOLLAR IN CONTRIBUTION.

SO, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, COFFIN COUNTY CONTRIBUTED 7.06 MILLION AND WE PAID OUT AT TAC ABOUT 8.74 MILLION.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT IS A HIGH RENEWAL JUST BECAUSE EXPENSES WERE HIGH OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

UH, THE THREE YEAR LOOK IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YOU'RE AROUND 98% PER LOSS RATIO.

OUR TARGET IS 94, SO 98 IS STILL HIGH.

UM, I AM ENCOURAGED BY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT CA, KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS DOING, UM, THE HR STAFF AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, STARTING UP A WELLNESS COMMITTEE.

UM, AND YOUR, YOUR CSI THAT YOU HAVE YOUR UH, UH, COUNTY SPECIFIC INCENTIVE FOR GIVING FOLKS A DAY OFF FOR THE ROUTINE PHYSICAL, I THINK IS A GREAT STEP THAT THE COURT TOOK.

UM, WE HAVE A, A LOT OF COURTS, A LOT OF COUNTIES IN TEXAS THAT DON'T WANNA GIVE FOLKS DAYS OFF FOR THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

IT'S A GREAT OPTION.

UM, LETS PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET OUT TO SEE THE DOCTOR WHEN MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OTHERWISE.

UM, BUT THAT'S

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KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

I, YOU KNOW, I EXPECT, UH, IT IS GONNA GO DOWN OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO DO IN KAUFMAN FROM A WELLNESS PERSPECTIVE IS GONNA PAY OFF.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF JUST WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

UM, IN THE OPEN MARKET, IF Y'ALL WERE OUT TRYING TO SHOP FOR INSURANCE WITH THAT LOSS RATIO, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT CLOSER TO A 15 OR 20% INCREASE TO KEEP THE PLANS THE SAME.

UM, SO YEAH, JIM DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF BREAKING DOWN THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THE REAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE THREE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT OPTION THAT Y'ALL HAVE NOW IS A ONE POINT, UH, OR SORRY, $1,000 DEDUCTIBLE AND THE GREEN OPTION IS A 1.5, YOU KNOW, SORRY, $1,500 DEDUCTIBLE OR A $2,000 DEDUCTIBLE IS THE BLUE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PLANS.

UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNTIES DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT COULD HELP US LOWER OUR RATES? SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO TRY A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, IN DIFFERENT GROUPS AND NOT AS MUCH IN THIS AREA JUST YET, BUT WE ARE SEEING POPULARITY AROUND THE STATE IN, UM, IN HMO PLAN THAT BLUE OFFERS.

UM, I HAD A DIRECTOR AT BLUE CROSS THAT USED TO SAY THAT HMO IS A FOUR LETTER WORD IN TEXAS.

SO I KNOW EVERYONE'S GENERAL REACTION WHEN I MENTION AN HMO.

UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THIS YEAR, JUST WHERE YOUR NETWORK IS AT.

BUT AS BLUE CROSS'S NETWORK GETS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IT'S A GREAT OPTION THAT I'LL BRING DOWN COSTS.

AND THE ONLY REAL RESTRICTIONS ON IT ARE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PRIMARY CARE DOCTOR AND YOU HAVE TO GET REFERRALS FOR A SPECIALIST OUTSIDE OF THAT.

IT'S NOT CLOSE ENOUGH IN KAUFFMAN JUST YET TO WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE FOR NEXT YEAR OR DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, AND WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT VENDORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY TO SEE WHERE WE CAN BRING COSTS DOWN.

BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW FOR 2020.

WE REVIEWED OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING DOING.

ARE OTHER COUNTIES DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING TO DO THE THINGS THAT OUR, OUR BEST PRACTICE COUNTIES ARE DOING.

UH, THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, OR WELLNESS COMMITTEE IS A GREAT START TO THAT HAVING THE LUNCH AND LEARNS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THOSE RESOURCES TO YOUR FOLKS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

THERE'S NOT ANYTHING MORE I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING.

ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DO, YES MA'AM.

JIM, CAN I HAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR BUDGET? NO.

, PLEASE.

NO, I SPENT TOO MUCH TIME ON IT.

SO GENTLEMEN, ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER FOR GENTLEMEN HERE? NO, JUST, I JUST, AGAIN, JUST REITERATE WHAT SAID LAST WEEK.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT BY OUR EMPLOYEES AND THIS IS A MAJOR REASON WE KEEP EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF INSURANCE.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S UH, I MEAN WE DID WHAT WE COULD DO LAST YEAR AND WE WENT TO MIDPOINT OF THE MIDPOINT OF A TWO YEAR OLD SURVEY.

SO THE SURVEY WAS TWO YEARS OLD AND WE JUST TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE MIDPOINT.

SO WE'RE STILL A LONG WAYS OFF FROM ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES, BUT THIS IS A MAJOR DRAW FOR US FOR RETENTION TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES AND LIKE SKET SAID, IF YOU GET A DEDUCTIBLE TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH HIGHER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO FOR WELL PATIENT CARE AND STUFF LIKE GET STUFF TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE PAY $500 IS A LOT OF MONEY TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S JUST MY TWO BITS.

SO WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTIES WHERE WHEN THEY DID INCREASE , THEY MAY HAVE CREATED A REIMBURSEMENT ON THE BACKEND.

SO MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE IT TO 1500, EVERYTHING OVER THE THOUSAND, MAYBE THE COUNTY COVERS THAT, THAT 500 AFTER THEY'VE MET A THOUSAND.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD EXPLORE IF YOU WERE TO, MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION ON SOMETHING THAT THEY DO THAT.

SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL GET A DEDUCTIBLE REPORT THAT SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE MET THEIR DEDUCTIBLE LAST YEAR AND THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHO MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE TO MEET THAT 1500.

AND I CAN SEND THAT OVER TO JIM, I CAN GET THAT TO Y'ALL BY THE END OF THE DAY IT TO JIM AND HE CAN SEND IT.

SO, I MEAN, YOU GOT 600, WELL 596,000 DIFFERENCE WITH WE STAY 1,319.

SO YOU'RE THE MATHEMATICIAN SCHEME, WHAT IS THAT? A LITTLE OVER 200,000 THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP WITH.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING MEETING THEIR DEDUCTIBLE, WE MIGHT SAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

IT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPTION.

AND THEN, AND THEN FOLKS WOULDN'T BE OUT OF POCKET ANYMORE.

OF COURSE.

THEN THERE'S A COST TO KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THAT TOO.

THERE IS AND WE CAN, WE CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THAT.

UH, AND I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE JIM PROACTIVELY FOR RECOMMENDING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.

UM, BUT NO, WE CAN, WE CAN SEND MONTHLY REPORTING OVER AS FAR AS THE DEDUCTIBLES MET.

UM, BUT IN, IN COUNTIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS, THEY LARGELY, IT'S ON THE EMPLOYEES.

THEY, THEY ASK THE, THE EMPLOYEES, MAKE SURE YOU LET US KNOW THAT YOU'VE MET YOUR DEDUCTIBLE AND WE'LL REIMBURSE YOU.

AND THAT HELPS WITH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE LOAD A LITTLE BIT.

CUZ I MEAN, IF WE GET, IF WE JUST SAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST COSTS SOMETHING.

I I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ANY EXTRA BURDEN ON YOUR TEAM.

PLAN, LIKE I THINK CITY DALLAS AND A LOT OF 'EM DO THAT.

MAKE THE OLD PAY IN MEDICAL

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THEY PAY IN AND THAT GOES INTO PLAN AND THEY PAY ALL THE EXPENSE OUT OF THEIR POCKET.

SO LIKE THAT SELF-FUNDED ARRANGEMENT.

SO THE THE POOL ITSELF IS SELF-FUNDED.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

WE, WE PAY THE CLAIMS OUT OF THAT.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST COUNTY THAT IS IN THIS PLAN? UM, IS IN THE, THE HMO PLAN THAT I TALKED ABOUT? OR JUST WITH TAC? YEAH, WITH TAC.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOME SELF-FUNDED COUNTIES, UM, IN, IN OUR GROUP.

SO BRAZOS, UM, I BELIEVE CAMERON COUNTY, UM, OUR BIGGER COUNTIES, SO WE'RE TALKING ONE, 2000 FOLKS AND THEY'RE SELF-FUNDED.

UM, I CAN ONLY REALLY SPEAK FOR THE NORTHEAST AND Y'ALL AND ELLIS COUNTY ARE BOTH PROBABLY MY LARGER COUNTY.

SO WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, IN THE 500 TO A THOUSAND.

BRADLEY COUNTY HAS A LOT, WELL, SELF-FUNDED JUST KIND OF COME BY THE WAYSIDE.

UH, IT'S STILL A THING.

UM, I I, WITH YOUR LOSS RATIO WHERE IT'S AT, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT.

OH NO.

YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, TWO HIGH COST CLAIMANTS OVER 500,000, UH, A YEAR.

SO THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD GET PRETTY PRICEY.

PRICEY TO JUST START.

BUT WE'RE SEEING GROUPS STILL DO IT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT'S YOU TO GET THE COST DOWN AND KEEP 'EM DOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AT LEAST THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.

ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? IF NOT NEED A MOTION, PLEASE.

I HAVE A MOTION.

OH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. BARB MAKES A MOTION TO YOU.

SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

COMMISSIONER MOORE, YOU'RE UP.

DISCUSS

[9. Commissioner Moore; Discuss approving the City of Crandall annexing County Road 269.]

APPROVING THE CITY OF CAN AND EXIT.

WAS COUNTY ROAD 2 69, UH, COUNTY ROAD 2 69 IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE BEHIND THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK.

CONSIDERED LONE STAR ROAD, UH, CRANS DEVELOPMENT BOTH SIDES OF AND HAD ANNEXED UP TO THE ROADWAY, WHICH UNDER SECTION 43 1 0 6 OF GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS THE CITY WILL NORMALLY TAKE THAT IN AS THEIR ROAD.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS A RESOLUTION TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THIS IS, UH, THE PRO PART OF THE PROCESS OF ANNEXATION.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET THIS APPROVED AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT TO THE CITY OF CRANDALL AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA TO ANNEX ROAD.

EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEANCE WITH IT.

CITY OF CRANDLE AS WELL, SO.

EVERYTHING'S, IT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS, SO, SO YOU MAKING THAT MOTION? YES SIR.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENTERING UNTIL PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH SCRA ROSS ID TO DELAY ROCK DRIVE AND PARKING LOT TO HELP DIVERT TRAFFIC AWAY FROM F 1 48.

ALL NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ONE LEFT ROAD MOTION APPROVED.

NUMBER 10, COMMISSIONER MOORE, AGAIN,

[10. Commissioner Moore; Discuss/Consider entering into a project agreement with Scurry-Rosser ISD to lay rock drive and parking lot to help divert traffic away from FM 148; total project cost is $30,170.40.]

COST IS $30,170 AND 40 CENTS.

YEAH, THIS ONE'S GONNA BE PART OF THE, UH, INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WE DID A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHERE THE WAY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SET UP THERE AT SILVER CREEK DRIVE, WHEN THE PARENTS SHOW UP TO PICK THE CHILDREN UP, THEY'RE PARKED OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF HIGHWAY 1 48.

THEY'RE PARKED ON SILVER CREEK.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE PARENTS TO PUT IN THIS, UH, CONCRETE OR, I MEAN, UH, ROCK DRIVEWAY.

THAT EXTENDS THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE, THEY'RE OFF THE ROADWAY SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, PICK THE CHILDREN UP MORE SAFELY.

SO, MAKES SENSE.

SENSE.

WE SENT A QUOTE AND THEY RUN IT THROUGH AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO HELP THEM AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THIS BY 1ST OF AUGUST.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

YOU MAKING THAT MOTION? YES SIR.

OR MAKES A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHELPS.

MAKE A SECOND.

[11. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider approval of Pct. #1 2023-2024 Annual Road Report.]

HUNT.

DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL PRECINCT 1 23 24 ROAD REPORT.

I JUST, UH, WANT TO FILE, UH, A ROAD REPORT WITH THE COURT AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT BY THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ANYMORE, BUT WE DECIDED AS A COURT TO DO IT SO WE KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE PROGRESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION FOR THE CITIZENS BEHALF.

SURE IT IS.

THEY A LOOK AT IT.

SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT OUR ROAD REPORT.

IT WAS MOTION BY MR. COMMISSIONER HUNT.

NEED A SECOND? SECOND.

COMMISSIONER PHELPS.

MAKE A SECOND.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING A CONTRACT WITH DEBT BOOKS FOR GSB 87 AND GSB 96 FOR THE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR WITH RENEWAL PRIVILEGES AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, MR. ER NUMBER 12,

[12. Auditor; Discuss/Consider accepting a contract with DebtBooks for GASB 87 and GASB 96 for a period of one year with renewal privileges at a discounted price.]

YES MA'AM.

UH, ANYTHING WITH FIXED ASSETS, E R P SYSTEMS, DEBT BOOKS, LEASES, BUDGETS, 9 1 1, EMERGENCY DISPATCH, WATER AND UTILITY METERING, WHICH DIDN'T AFFECT US, BUT REMOTE LEARNING PLATFORMS, CONFERENCING TOOLS, EMAILS, HOW THOSE THINGS ARE GATHERED, WHAT RUNS THEM, THE PROGRAM AND THE SUBSCRIPTION.

MORNING.

YOU KNOW, THEY DROPPED GAS B 87 ON US WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE ALL THE LEASE PROPERTIES LISTED AND, UH, VEHICLES AND DEPRECIATION.

AND WE GOT ALL OF THAT STRAIGHT AND THE AUDITORS OUTSIDE AUDITORS WERE PLEASED WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.

IT THEN COMES ALONG GABY 90, UM, 96.

NOW I HAVE TO TRACK ALL THE SOFTWARE OUT OF IT AND IT INCLUDES,

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AND I TALKED TO NATHAN AND IT, AND HE WAS ALREADY STARTING TO PUT STUFF TOGETHER SO HE COULD SHOW THE COURT EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS TO DO AND WHAT HE'S OVER AND RESPONSIBLE FOR.

THEY WANT THE START DATE OF ANY AGREEMENT TERM OR END DATE.

THE PAYMENT AMOUNTS, THE DATES AND THE FREQUENCY.

LIKE IF WE PAY IT ONCE A YEAR OR IF WE PAY IT MONTHLY, UM, EXTENSION OPTIONS AND TERMINATIONS.

AND THAT'S AN EXTRA PROJECT.

BUT ONCE WE GET IT ON THERE, IT WON'T BE AS BAD TO KEEP UP WITH IT BECAUSE THE PROGRAM RUNS FOR US AND CALCULATES ALL THE DEPRECIATION AND MAKES THE JOURNAL ENTRIES FOR US TO REVIEW AND AUDIT AND APPROVE BEFORE THEY GET POSTED TO OUR GENERAL LEDGER.

UM, ONE THING THAT SURPRISED ME WAS IF WE WOULD AGREE FOR YOUR CONTRACT AND RENEW FOR THREE YEARS, THE PRICE IS ALMOST WHAT I ALREADY PAY FOR THE SOFTWARE AND I'VE INCLUDED IT IN THE BUDGET SO THAT WE'RE COVERED WHEN I DID IT, CUZ I FIGURED I'D HAVE TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

WELL, 2000 MORE, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE ME THE SIDE TO DO THE IT STUFF NOW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO Y'ALL AND EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR US AND WHY IT WAS NECESSARY.

I MEAN, GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD TELLS US HOW WE DO STUFF AND ACCOUNT FOR THINGS AND THAT AND THE PRICE IS $22,000 A YEAR.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEPRECIATE SOFTWARE? HOW DO YOU DEPRECIATE SOFTWARE? I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS ON, I COULDN'T HOW DO YOU DEPRECIATE SOFTWARE? IT'S BY THE COST AND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW FOR VEHICLES, WE HAVE IT AT SEVEN AND 10 EQUIPMENT.

WE HAVE IT AT, UH, 12 TO 15 AND BUILDINGS ARE AT 35 AND LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE COST OF THE SOFTWARE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING ME PUT ALL THE ENTERPRISE VEHICLES ON THAT OTHER PART FOR THE OTHER GAS SECTION.

WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DEPRECIATE, WHEN YOU DEPRECIATE SOFTWARE, I MEAN IT'S LIKE NEXT YEAR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S OUT DATE, IT'S, IT'S OUTDATED.

CAUSE IT'S OUTDATED AND THEN YOU'RE BUYING A NEW DATED SOMETHING.

I MEAN, HOW DO YOU, I MEAN, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT LOOKS LIKE ME THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE AN EXPENSE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A, THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING WOULD BE UP TO HAVE TO DEPRECIATE SOMEWHERE.

RIGHT? WELL, THE FIRST YEAR THEIR DISCOUNTING US $3,000 AND THEIR COST TO ADD THAT SECTION ON IS 3000.

SO IT'S NO ADDITIONAL COST.

IT'S JUST THE 20 I PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

THEN THE SECOND SECOND YEAR THEY GO UP 2000, IT'S 30,000 AND THEY'RE DROPPING IT A DISCOUNT BY 8,000.

8,000.

THEN IT DOES A 700, 7,500 DROP AND A 5,000 DROP.

AND IT ALL WINDS UP BEING RIGHT AT 69 5 FOR THE FOUR YEARS THIS YEAR AND THEN THREE YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY THE, THEY DID IT THAT WAY TO GET OUR BUSINESS.

YEAH, YEAH.

I GET YOU.

THE OUTSIDE, THE OUTSIDE AUDITORS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THIS COMPANY AND, UH, WE ATTENDED LIKE THREE OR FOUR SEMINARS.

THEY ACTUALLY, WE SENT THEM THE ALL COPIES OF THE LEASES AND EVERYTHING AND THEY SET IT ALL UP FOR US AND THEN THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO USE IT.

WHEN I CAME HERE WE HAD 60 SOMETHING TO 70 MILLION WORTH OF ASSETS.

SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US BECAUSE OPENGOV, S T W DEPRECIATION WAS HORRIBLE.

I SAY IT'S NEVER RIGHT.

IN FACT, WE'RE HAVING TO RUN IT IN TWO SLATES NOW BECAUSE IT WON'T DO BUT SIX MONTHS AT A TIME.

WE'VE GOT SO MUCH BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE STARTED, I THINK

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WE'VE JUST ADDED TWO NEW BUILDINGS OH, WOW.

AND ALL AND MORE, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THE NEW EQUIPMENT AND STUFF.

SO IT'S A LOT TO KEEP UP WITH.

WELL, IF IT MAKES YOUR JOB EASIER AND IT'S MORE ACCURATE YES.

AT THE BOTTOM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, WE'RE BETTER OFF.

IT'S DOING THE CALCULATIONS INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO GO INSIDE.

THIS AIN'T RIGHT.

WE GOTTA FIX IT AND THEN DO OUR OWN THING OR PAY STW TO FIX IT.

AND THEN IT'S STILL NOT RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT.

SO I NEED, UH, MORNING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. BAR MAKES A MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHELPS, MAKE A SECOND.

MOTION

[13. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

CARRIES.

NUMBER 13, MS. AUDITOR, AGAIN, DISCUSS LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS OR CORRECTIONS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS? NO.

DO YOU LIKE THE REPORT BETTER BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THEY HAD AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND WHAT THEIR BALANCE WILL BE? I KIND OF LIKE THAT REPORT.

A LOT BETTER THAN OUR, WE HAD IT DONE AUTOMATICALLY ON OUR SPREADSHEET, SO IT WOULD CALCULATE IT, BUT WE HAD TO DO IT IN ANOTHER PROGRAM TO MAKE IT POOL FOR US.

SO I LIKE IT.

YOU NEED A MOTION? THANK YOU.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHE MAKES A MOTION.

YOU SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. TRUMP MAKES A SECOND.

[14. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]

YOU'RE WELCOME.

NUMBER 14, MR. AUDITOR, AGAIN, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT AND OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION.

TOTAL PAYOUT 1,000,007 89 1 72 76.

YOUR PAY CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE MILLION $783,869 AND 67 CENTS.

THEN A SMALL ELECTION OF PAYROLL OF FIVE UH THOUSAND $303.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? I DO HAVE ANY MONEY.

I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.

OH, MR. TOMMY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

HE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. BAR MAKES A SECOND.

OKAY, ON NUMBER 15, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[15. Judge Allen; Discuss/Consider whether an executive session is necessary for negotiations regarding the contract with Humane Society of North Texas.]

SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP 15 AND 16 AND 17 AND 18.

18.

UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO GO ON BACK UP NUMBER 15.

WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN OPEN COURT.

SO THAT EVERYONE WILL BE, UH, APPRISED OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

SO MS. SUSAN AND MS. PAM, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD PLEASE.

SO, WHICH ONE OF Y'ALL WANNA BRING US UP TO DATE? UH, DID YOU BRING FINANCIALS FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THE ONE YOU SENT ME? NO.

THAT THE SHERIFF GAVE FOR THE M SHELTER WAS AVERAGE OF ONE.

I REALLY WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT THAT'S OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA BE DOING HERE.

THAT'S OKAY, PAM.

WELL, UM, SO, UM, AS I SAID EARLIER, OUR ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN MEETING, UM, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IS OUR SHELTER HAS BEEN BUILT, UM, TOO SMALL AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT NOW.

UM, SO WE HAD OUR NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS GOT CUT, SO NOW IT'S A HARDSHIP ON US.

IT'S A HARDSHIP ON SUSAN AND HER LADIES, HER GROUP, UM, ANIMALS THAT ARE COMING IN, THEY'RE COMING IN.

I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, GROWING AND GROWING AND SO THEY'RE RUNNING ABOUT A $30,000 DEFICIT MONTHLY AND NO ONE CAN KEEP DOING THAT.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE THIS OUT.

UM, THE SHERIFF'S GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

THEY'RE PICKING UP AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

SO WE CAN'T TELL THEM STOP PICKING UP, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, UM, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LARGE ANIMALS IS AT 50 AND OUR SHELTER, WE, OUR LARGE DOGS, THAT'S WHAT WE PICK UP ARE LARGE DOGS.

WE NEED THE EYE ADVISORY BOARD.

WALKED AROUND, WE, THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS OF MAYBE WE MAKE SOME CHANGES AND FOR COURT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO US TO THINK ABOUT.

WE CAN MAYBE GET SOMEONE TO COME IN AND GIVE US A BED.

WE HAVE A LARGE WALK-IN FREEZER THAT WE, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS A MEDICAL ROOM.

COULD WE TAKE THAT OUT, DO SOMETHING SMALLER ELSEWHERE, AND THEN ADD ONTO THAT? UM, COULD WE HAVE A, A VETERINARIAN COME IN AND DO THE SURGERIES THERE? CUZ NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO HAUL 'EM BACK TO FORT WORTH TO DO THE SURGERIES.

THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE WRONG AND IT'S NONE OF, I IT'S NONE OF OUR FAULT.

WE, THE, THE SHELTER WAS NOT BUILT LARGE ENOUGH.

SO THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS

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YOU REMEMBER 13, 17 A MONTH? NO, WHEN WE FIRST START, FIRST STARTED IT, IT WAS AVERAGED ABOUT 185 A MONTH.

AND WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THAT INFORMATION.

YOU WERE NOT FORWARDED THAT INFORMATION? NO.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RFP, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE BID FOR THIS ITEM ON PAGE 13, IT SAYS WE DIDN'T, WE WERE NOT GIVEN ANY INFORMATION.

AND SO WE ASSUMED THAT ESPECIALLY IN LIKE A STARTUP, THAT YOU'D START UP AT LIKE 50, 60, 70% AND THEY WOULD GROW TO CAPACITY.

WE WERE OVER CAPACITY TWO MONTHS INTO THE START OF THE BUILDING.

AND IT'S BUILT TO WHAT CAPACITY? UM, 50 LARGE KENNELS.

LARGE.

50 SOMETHING LARGE.

IT'S GOT A TOTAL OF 68 DOG KENNELS.

AND WITH, UM, 25 OF THOSE IN THE ADOPTION SIDE AND 43 IN THE STRAY HOLD SIDE.

AND IT'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY LIKE 50 OF THOSE ARE LARGE DOG RUNS AND THEN THE RECIPE SMALL DOG KENNELS.

SO WHEN THE PROCESS WAS CREATED, I'M JUST GONNA START, START BACK.

SO WE'RE THERE A THIRD OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE? RIGHT.

AND WHEN THE PROCESS WAS CREATED? BASED CREATED? YES.

AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY, I'D SAY AVERAGE ABOUT 1 10, 1 15 MM-HMM.

ABOUT RIGHT.

WE, WE KNEW THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY DOGS ARE COUNTY DOGS.

THEY'RE NOT CITY DOGS.

SO THE DOGS THAT WE PICK UP, YEAH.

EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO COMES AND WANTS THEM TO, TO PICK UP THEIR DOG OR CLAIM THEIR DOG, BUT NOT VERY OFTEN.

AND UM, AND THESE DOGS ARE OUT ON THESE FARMS. THEY'RE ON THIS LARGE LAND.

SOMEONE'S HAD PUPPIES AND, YOU KNOW, NO, THE, THE LANDOWNER IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT'S NOT THEIR DOG.

LIKE IF YOU LIVED IN THE CITY, YOU HAVE A SMALL YARD, KEEP YOUR DOG IN THE HOUSE, IT GOES OUT TO THE BATHROOM.

YOU KNOW, IF IT ESCAPES, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE GREAT IDEA OF OF, OF CREATING A SHELTER THAT WAS GONNA BE FRIENDLY FOR OUR, FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO HAVE ENOUGH KENNELS, HAVE INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE, HAVE A A MEETING ROOM, HAVE SOMETHING TO CREATE WHAT WE NEEDED, HAVE A VETERINARIAN, HAVE A GROOMING, ALLOW SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO THAT.

AND THEN THEY TAKE CARE OF OUR ANIMALS AT NO COST FOR TO US BECAUSE WE'RE LETTING YOU HAVE A SPACE IN THIS SHELTER.

I MEAN, THERE WERE SO MANY GREAT IDEAS THAT JUST GOT BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER.

SO NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX THAT PROBLEM? UM, SH SHERIFF HAS TO PICK UP THE ANIMALS.

WE CAN'T SAY, OH, SORRY, WE'RE AT MA WE'RE AT CAPACITY AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PICK UP YOUR ANIMAL.

WHAT IF ONE OF THOSE ANIMALS GOES OUT AND BITES A KID? WE HAD A DOG BITE IN ROSSER LAST WEEK.

I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? SO WE, WE REALLY, I MEAN, WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

IT, IT, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH GROWTH.

UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOME FUNDING.

I RECALL WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO BUILD THE SHELTER, THERE WASN'T MONEY TO BUILD IT, BUT THERE WAS MONEY TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE SHELTER OR THE CAPACITY OF THE SHELTER.

SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK INTO.

BUT, UM, WE, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

$30,000 MONTHLY IN THE WHOLE DO WE HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANY OF THE, UH, RESCUE, UH, SO YOUNG GROUPS? YES.

BUT EVERY ANIMAL SHELTER IS FULL RIGHT NOW.

TRANSPORT OUT OF THE AREA HAS STOPPED, UM, BECAUSE THE, OH, SORRY.

THE REST OF THE, THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS NOW OVER CAPACITY.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS EVERY OTHER WEEK WE WERE GETTING FLIGHTS TO THE NORTHEAST, THE MIDWEST, AND THE NORTHWEST.

WE HAD OUR FIRST FLIGHT LAST MONTH FOR, UM, WELL ACTUALLY THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH IN MONTHS.

UM, THAT JUST EVERYONE, THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS FULL WITH DOGS NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A POST COVID THING WHERE EVERYONE ADOPTED A DOG AND THEY ALL GOT 'EM.

THERE'S ALSO A VETERINARY SHORTAGE.

SO A NUMBER OF SHELTERS ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A VETERINARIAN TO CARE FOR 'EM.

SO IT'S JUST THAT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 18 MONTHS.

WELL, YOU AND I HAVE VISITED LAST WEEK YES.

CUZ STAFF IS THE BIGGEST OVERHEAD WE HAVE.

IT IS.

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

UH, BUT THIS SHERIFF, IF THERE'S NO ONE THERE ON MONDAYS TO ACCEPT DOGS, THEN HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PICK UP DOGS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND WHEN WE GOT TO MY MINIMAL STAFF YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE AT MINIMAL STAFF.

AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS, WELL CAN WE TAKE SOME BACK TO CEDAR CREEK? DO THEY HAVE SPACE TO TAKE 'EM BACK? YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW.

DID YOU CHECK INTO THAT? YEAH.

THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE.

I MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE PROBLEMS JUST LIKE WE DO.

UM, I DIDN'T GET AHOLD OF THE RIGHT PERSON TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE IF THEY DID HAVE SPACE COME AVAILABLE.

I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RETURN PHONE CALL FOR THAT.

COULD WE REACH OUT AND PARTNER FOR EXPANSION? I MEAN, SOME WAY TO HELP PAY THE COST OF EXPANDING THE FACILITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS THEY HAVE.

WELL LET, UH, SO BOTTOM LINE, IT'S TOO SMALL.

I MEAN THE, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE MANUFACTURED OR WHATEVER AT THE TIME TO FIT THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE BUDGET FITTING THE NEED MM-HMM.

SO YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE KAUFMAN THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ANIMAL SHELTER AS SUCH.

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IF WE CAN AFFORD TO WELL, WOULD BE FULL AGAIN IF WE EXPAND AGAIN.

I, I REACHED OUT EARLIER.

UH, JUST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY'S BEARING THE WHOLE COST.

WHEN UM, OF OPERATIONS AND I HAD EARLIER REACHED OUT TO TERRELL, CRANDALL AND KAUFMAN, WE ALREADY CONTRACT WITH MAYBANK.

THEY GOT IN BEFORE WE GOT OVERCROWDED.

AND SO, BUT THEY ONLY BRING IN LIKE 50, 60 DOGS A YEAR.

IT'S NOT TREMENDOUS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE OVERCROWDED, EVERYTHING'S THERE.

ALL THREE OF THEM WERE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING.

I DIDN'T ASK 'EM ABOUT LIKE CAPITAL TO EXPAND.

I WAS LOOKING AT OPERATIONAL.

IF THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE OPERATIONAL COST, THEY SAW THAT BECAUSE IF THEY'RE HAVING TO TAKE 'EM TO CEDAR CREEK, THAT'S AN EXTRA, I DON'T EXTRA LONG DRIVE.

THEY LOSE LIKE HALF A DAY.

THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITY TO DO THAT SPACE.

SO, SO, BUT IF, IF THEY WANTED TO INVEST IN THE FACILITY ITSELF YEAH.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I DON'T, THEY BECOME A PARTNER.

WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL CAPITAL'S.

SOMETHING WE TO DO LEGALLY.

AND INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

YEAH, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.

I MEAN IT WOULD, I MEAN, AND THAT WAY THEY'RE IN YEAH.

I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GONNA RUN AND DROP A CONTRACT OR WHATEVER.

THEY'VE MADE AN INVESTMENT.

AND THE CAPITAL SIDE.

AND SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT MAYBE IT'S OPEN FOR SOME, SOME DISCUSSIONS AND REACHING OUT, HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OR WE'LL HAVE TO SHUT IT COMPLETELY DOWN AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? YEAH.

THEN YOU, I MEAN IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE IF THE POPULATION GOES OUT.

AREN'T NOT PREPARED.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CAPITAL OUTLAYS ANYWAY TO TAKE YOUR OVER.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, MAY, A LOT OF YOU MAY RECALL WHEN THE SHELTER, THE IDEA OF THE SHELTER CAME UP, IT WAS GOING TO BE A REGIONAL SHELTER.

AND SO THERE, THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WE COULD TAKE IN ANY OTHER CITIES AT THE SIZE THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NO WAY.

BUT WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT YEARS AGO, ME AND YOU AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE WENT AND VISITED LOTS OF SITES AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY HAD DESIGN ON THE SHELTER AND WE COULD HAVE ADDED ON TO THE RIGHT ONTO TO THE CAGES THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT.

AND WE WERE BUILDING IT MORE IN CRADLE THAN THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD PLAN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAD MORE OF THE REGION IN IT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, BUT NOW IT'S KINDA LIMITED ON SPACE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU'D EXPAND IT WHERE IT IS IN A SENSES.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE IS THERE LAND? IS THERE NO LAND ABOUT THE LAND? I, YEAH, I REACHED OUT TO THE ARCHITECT QUORUM.

SHE'S, SHE HAS NOT SENT ME, BUT I WILL CALL HER AGAIN AND ASK HER TO SEND ME, THEY DID DO SOME PLANNING OF HOW IT COULD BE EXPANDED.

AND UM, SO I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION.

I MEAN, CUZ THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO.

BUT ALSO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW.

LONG TERM SOLUTION IS SPENT NEUTERING PETS.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID, I HAD PROPOSED IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY COULD MANDATE? LIKE MUNICIPALITIES CAN MANDATE THAT, YOU KNOW, PETS NEED TO BE ALTERED CUZ THAT WOULD PREVENT THE BIRTH OF UNWANTED PETS.

AND YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO IN OTHER AREAS IS IF LIKE IN A STRAY, IF A STRAY IS PICKED UP AND IT'S UNALTERED, THE RETURN FEE IS HIGHER.

BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S ONLY LIKE A 10% RETURN OF STRAYS.

THESE ARE JUST LIKE NO ONE'S CLAIMING THE ANIMALS.

WHICH, LIKE I SAID, IN IN MORE OF A MUNICIPALITY, IT IS TO DO THAT IS DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

WELL, I MEAN FOR ANIMALS THAT AREN'T PICKED UP WHEN THEY'RE PICKED UP, THEN THE AUTHORITY IS THAT YOU RIGHT.

THEY MUST WHEN THEY'RE IN OUR POSSESSION.

WELL ALL OF THEM THAT ARE ADOPTED ARE ALL YEAH.

AND, AND AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE TROUBLE IS YOU HAVE CITIES AND YOU HAVE COUNTY.

AND THE PROBLEM IS IF THE CITY GETS FULL AND THEY SAY NO, WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING ANY RIGHT.

THE PERSON JUST DRIVES OUTSIDE TO SEE LIMITS AND TURNS IT LOOSE, OPEN THE BACK DOOR AND THROWS IT OUT, THEN IT JUST FALLS ON YOUR HANDS BECAUSE IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT'S GOING TO PICK IT UP.

ESPECIALLY A BIG DOG.

I MEAN SOMETIMES LITTLE DOGS ARE WANDERING DOWN AND THEY SAY, OH THAT'S A CUTE DOG.

I HAVE SOME OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'M LIVE THE DEAD END AND GUESS WHAT ALL MY DOGS ARE.

ARE STRAY ADOPTED DOGS? THEY'RE ALL STRAY DOGS.

OR ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS WE'D HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED SPAN NEUTER FOR FREE CALLED SNIFF FOR THE ACRONYM.

AND SO WE'LL GIVE OUT VOUCHERS FOR FREE SPAY NEUTER AT, UM, SPAY NEUTER NETWORK, UH, TEXAS COALITION FOR ANIMAL PROTECTION.

THEY HAVE A, UM, FACILITY IN I THINK GARLAND.

AND THEN I'VE JUST REACHED OUT TO SPCA OF TEXAS, WHICH IS UP IN DALLAS TO SEE IF THEY DO IT.

IT, IT ALSO APPLIES TO OUR SHELTER, BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA DRIVE OVER TO FORT WORTH TO GET THEIR PET ALTERED.

BUT WHERE THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED AND IT'S ROUGHLY LIKE $75 FOR A BIG DOG, WHICH IS WHAT MOST OF THESE ARE.

WE, UM, MENTIONED THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION, I DUNNO IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO, WE HAD SOMEONE WHO CAME IN AND PAID A, I GUESS IT WAS LIKE THEY MADE A DONATION TO US.

IT'S LIKE A $1,500 DONATION THROUGH WERE ADULT PROBATION.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

NORM, WE WOULD FUND SPAY NEUTER VOUCHERS FOR THAT.

IN LIEU OF SOME SORT OF FINE.

AND WHAT WE WERE SAYING, IF THAT BECAME MORE OF A

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SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS.

IT DOESN'T STOP THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM.

BUT THAT WAY IF THERE'S FUNDS COMING IN FOR THAT, WE'LL JUST RE YOU KNOW, RE UM, INVEST THEM BASICALLY IN THE COUNTY IN UH, SPAIN NEW RIVER.

HAS YOUR ADVISORY COUNCIL COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES, OBJECTIONS? WELL, THE ONE THING THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT WAS THE AWARENESS.

AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT GROUP.

THEY A, A GREAT, UM, EFFORT.

THEY ACTUALLY HELD A SHOT CLINIC.

AND YOU HAD 166 PEOPLE FROM 10 TO TWO ON A, THE FIRST SATURDAY IN MAY I BELIEVE IT WAS.

AND UM, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING THEIR ANIMALS TO GET FREE.

FREE BA OH IT WAS LOW COST.

IT WAS, SOME OF THE VACCINES WERE FREE CUZ WE HAD 'EM DONATED BY, UM, A, A GRANTEE OF OURS, PETCO LOVE.

AND, UM, BUT LIKE RABIES AND, UH, MICROCHIPPING.

AND THEN THE, THE D A P P, WHICH IS THE PARVO DISTEMPER VACCINE WAS FREE DONATED BY PETCO LOVE.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAD 166 PEOPLE, THEY WERE ALL EAGER WHEN YOU CAN DO THIS AGAIN.

SO, BUT WE HAD TO BRING ALL OF OUR PEOPLE OVER.

CAN I, I'M JUST ASK THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

I KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ANIMALS.

UH, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A GOOD COMMUNITY EFFORT, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN ANIMAL SHELTER, BUT WHENEVER THEY COME OUT AND GET THE FREE BACK, SO THAT'S, THESE ARE PEOPLE I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR ANIMALS FROM HOME AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING WITH ANIMALS.

SO HOW IS THAT HELPING US ON ADOPTION RATES? SO HOW DID IT'S KEEPING TAKE CARE OF THESE? THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S ILLNESS COMING IN.

WE HAD TO CLOSE AND WE HAD CANINE INFLUENZA, WE'VE HAD DISTEMPER, NOW WE'RE SEEING DOGS COMING IN WITH RINGWORM.

AGAIN, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, THERE'S NOT A VACCINE FOR THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY ANIMALS SO THAT IT'S NOT COMING INTO THE SHELTER.

CUZ ONCE IT COMES IN IT JUST SPREADS QUICKLY.

SO IT'S JUST MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH OF PETS.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S NOT SOLVING ADOPTION ANY AWARENESS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

CAUSE WE HAVE ADOPTION PROBLEM.

I'M JUST, AND I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED TO HELP THIS ADOPTION PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE GOING OUT TO, UM, WE'VE GONE TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT FESTIVALS.

WE GO TO PETCO, WE'VE GONE TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, I THINK IN CROFMAN.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS IF WE CAN GET A, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TAKING A VAN CUZ THAT'S ALL WE HAVE HERE AVAILABLE IS A VAN.

AND YOU CAN TAKE LIKE KIND OF FIVE TO 10 ANIMALS AT A TIME.

IF WE HAVE AN ADOPTION TRAILER, WE COULD GO TO BIGGER YEAH.

BIGGER AND GET, YOU KNOW, 10.

BUT THOSE COST 70, $80,000 TO GET AN ADOPTION TRAILER TO WHERE WE COULD TAKE 'EM OUT TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT UM, TRACTOR SUPPLY AND ATWOODS AND THINGS.

BUT IF WE TAKE THE STAFF AND THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THEN THERE'S NO ONE BACK AT THE SHELTER.

SO IT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT IT'S ALL GOOD IDEAS.

IT JUST, SOME OF 'EM COST MONEY AND THINGS.

SO JUST BY GETTING THE PETS THE, WE HAVE SEEN THAT THE MORE YOU CAN GET PETS OUT TO THE PEOPLE IT IS BETTER.

CUZ WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME ON THE FORT WORTH SIDE TOO AND MORE.

AND THERE'S BEEN MORE INFORMATION SHARED ON FACEBOOK RIGHT.

WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY BEING A PART OF THEIR PAGE.

AND SO THAT'S HELPING.

PEOPLE ARE NOTICING IT.

SO I'M NOT SURE, I THINK THAT WE STARTED WITH THE PROBLEM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA SOLVE THAT.

WE KIND OF, WE KIND OF AWAY FROM THE POPULATION OF, OF COMAN COUNTY.

I MEAN MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMAL SHELTER MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BOY, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE, WE ALMOST NEED ANOTHER BRANCH.

I MEAN TO YEAH.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP.

MIKE'S TALKING ABOUT PARTNER.

IT'S CLOSE TO CLOSE.

IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER IN TO THE GREATER POPULATION THAT ACTUALLY I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S WITH TERRELL.

THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING SOMETHING.

THEY, AND THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE A BUILDING AVAILABLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT ON IT YET.

BUT THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, BUYING, UH, THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT IT.

IT'S THE FORMER PET SPA THAT'S THERE ON HIGHWAY.

ON HIGHWAY 80 COMING IN DUR.

THEY DIDN'T BUY IT.

I THINK THEY'RE IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR STATUS IS ON THAT.

THEY'VE, BUT THAT WAS A PRETTY LARGE FACILITY AND THERE'S ROOM TO ADD ONTO IT FROM THAT CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY WITH IT.

MAYBE WE COULD PARTNER WITH THEM AND LIKE I SAID, DO A BRANCH TYPE DEAL AND CUZ THERE'S, YEAH.

GET THE DOGS CIRCLE.

THAT POP THAT AREA OVER THERE.

I MEAN, I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S A LOT OF DOGS COME FROM OVER THERE.

THEY GET DUMPED ON US ALL THE TIME.

I'VE GOT FIVE OF 'EM RIGHT NOW THAT WE TOOK IN.

SO, .

OH MY GOSH.

WELL, AND THEN IT MAY ATTRACT SOME OF THE DOWS PEOPLE TO COME OVER.

AND DO, INSTEAD OF DRIVING DOWN.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

WE DO, LIKE I SAID, COMING FROM FORT WORTH COUNTY MEAN CLOSER FOR THE RIGHT ONES.

CORN OR TERROR WHERE MM-HMM.

, EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND WE EACH HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF POPULATION, THE REASON WE DO IT, CAUSE THE OTHER THREE PRECINCTS ALL COME INTO MY PRECINCT NOW.

, THEY HAD TO GET PEOPLE MM-HMM.

SO, I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE JUST HAPPEN TO BE IN THAT CORNER.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET BETWEEN TERRELL AND FORNEY AND CRANDALL AND YOU'RE ALL UP ONE CORNER, AND THEN ANIMAL SHELTERS DOWN HERE.

, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE WEREN'T LOCATED FOR THE POPULATION TO BE

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ABLE TO ADVERTISE.

EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE HAD A SHOWROOM FLOOR SOMEWHERE UP THERE, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN SHELTER.

I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE CAGES OBVIOUSLY, BUT I MEAN MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE LIKE, WELL THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BOARD COULD TAKE IN THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU'RE OUTTA MONEY.

AND SO THE ONLY OTHER OPTION DO, LIKE THE GOVERNOR, WE COULD, WE COULD JUST PUT 'EM ON GREYHOUND AND SEND THEM TO .

SEND, TRY THE NEW YORK CITY, LOAD THEM UP.

NO, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE BUDGET.

C ALL STUFF, WE'RE GOING DO A SEPARATE WORKSHOP SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS.

I THINK IT'D BE MORE, IT'D BE NEXT BETTER THAN TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT HERE ON THIS.

OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION TODAY.

YOU'RE NOT.

THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T HAPPENING.

THIS ISN'T AN EASY THING TO DO.

JUST DISCUSS AND CONSIDER INTERVENTION.

WE'RE JUST GONNA DISCUSS TODAY.

THERE'S NO, ALMOST COST MORE THAN CHILDREN.

I THINK IT'D BE WORTH CHECKING WITH TERRELL ON THAT AND SEE WHAT THEIR STATUS IS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'D BE, YEAH.

AS FAR AS OFF, SHE FORWARD AT THE LAST MEETING TO CUT STAFF ON A MONDAY.

WHAT WOULD, WE JUST WOULDN'T GO PICK UP DOGS.

I WOULDN'T PICK UP DOGS.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE GONNA TAKE ON LIABILITY, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.

IF SOMEBODY CALLS A DOG AND THEY BITE SOMEBODY WITHOUT RABIES, YOU GOT TO GO.

WE TAKE ON LIABILITY.

THAT'S ALL I'M CAN, CAN I ASK QUESTIONS? SINCE YOU'RE SHERIFF, BEFORE THE ADOPTION CENTER WAS CREATED, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE HANDLED THIS SITUATION? WE, WE PICKED UP DOGS AND TOOK THEM.

NO, TOOK EM, TOOK THEM DOWN TO SOUTH CEDAR CREEK.

WE NEVER, EVEN WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED ON WEDNESDAYS, YOU COULD STILL TAKE THEM.

I COULD STILL TAKE THE DOGS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO EVEN IF YOU'RE CLOSED FROM THE ADOPTION CENTER SIDE ON MONDAY, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING AND KENNELS TO PUT THE DOGS IN IF THEY HAD TO BRING ONE IN.

THERE IS, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE A STAFF THAT'S JUST FEEDING AND CLEANING.

SO THERE'S NO INTAKE THERE.

I THINK THERE'S KENNELS IN AND THERE'S ALREADY NO ROOM TO PUT YEAH.

SHOWED UP.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM NOW IS WE'RE, WELL WE GO, WE GO BACK LIKE WE DID.

YOU STOOD DOWN THERE IN SOUTH CAMPUS, YOU JUST HAD THAT BIG PEN OUT THERE AND YOU WENT OUT THERE AND TURNED.

I MEAN, WE'RE TRANSPORTING DOGS FROM THIS FACILITY BACK TO OUR FORT WORTH LOCATION THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK.

AND, AND I KNOW, UH, I KEEP ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, BUT BY WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, THIS IS A PROBLEM.

IT'S GETTING WORSE AND THERE'S NO ANSWER TO IT, I'M SURE.

BUT WE HAVE TO FIND A CONCLUSION.

AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WOULD BE CAUSING, OR, OR WOULD, WHY IS THERE NOT A SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE HERE? TOO MANY DOGS.

IT'S WAY MORE DOGS THAN WE EVER THOUGHT.

NOT ENOUGH BILL.

BUT WHAT, I MEAN, THE REASON, CAUSE I'M COME, I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND.

SO THERE'S THIS GENTLEMAN, AND WE HAD A**L CONTROL, LIKE AT THE CITY OF MESQUITE WHERE I WORK.

AND THE WAY THEY HANDLE THE, THE DOGS MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN Y'ALL'S POLICY ON, YOU KNOW, THEY TRY TO ADOPT THAT AS MANY AS THEY CAN.

AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU HAVE OVER ABUNDANT DOGS AND, AND YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T CONTROL OR CAN'T AFFORD TO, THEN THEY DO, UH, EUTHANIZE THESE ANIMALS.

NOW, DO Y'ALL EVEN CONSIDER THAT? OR IS, ARE Y'ALL, NO, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT YOUR SHELTER.

SO YOU'RE A NON EUTHANIZING SHELTER.

SHELTER.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I GUESS THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.

THIS CONTRACT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE WITH, UM, KELLER AND HURST IN THAT THEY HAVE AN ANIMAL CONTROL OVER PART OF THE BUILDING THROUGH ALL THE STRAY HOLD.

AND THEN WE JUST RUN THE ADOPTION CENTERS IN THE OTHER PLACE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUNNING KIND OF EVERYTHING.

IF THIS COUNTY TOOK BACK OVER STRAY, THEN IF THAT'S, AND THE REASON I'M LOOKING AT THIS GENTLEMAN IS LIKE, IF IT'S 30 THOU, LAST YEAR IT WAS A $15,000 A MONTH PROBLEM.

THAT'S A 30,000 MONTH PROBLEM.

NEXT YEAR'S GONNA BE $60,000 A MONTH PROBLEM.

I MEAN, WHERE IS IT GOING TO? WELL, IN THE, BUT WE HAD TO FIND A SOLUTION.

WE JUST CAN'T KEEP BAND-AIDING IT.

WE TO FIND A SOLUTION.

WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS TOO, AND EVERYBODY HAS TO REMEMBER.

GUESS WHO GETS TO PAY FOR IT? THE HOMEOWNERS.

THE TAX PLAN.

WELL, YOU PAY FOR IT ON YOUR, ON YOUR, ON YOUR HOME OWNER'S TAX.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT COUNTY TAX, WE'RE THE CHEAPEST ONE ON THERE.

BUT YOU KEEP GOING AT THIS RATE, WE MIGHT NOT BE.

YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE WILL STILL BE THERE ONE DAY.

AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DATE? IN MOST CITIES, WHEN THEY GET FULL, THEN THEY ADVERTISE AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FULL.

WE'LL GIVE AWAY FADE NEUTER, WE'LL DO WHATEVER IF YOU COME GET 'EM TODAY.

IF NOT RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT THEY SOLD ALL, ALL DOGS.

BIG DOGS ARE FREE.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT.

UM, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SPADE AND NEUTER AND THEN PUT 'EM IN THE KENNEL.

THEY ADVERTISE AND SAY, LOOK, WE'LL, BUT IF YOU COME ADOPT THIS DOG, THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU A VOUCHER AND YOU CAN GO OVER HERE AND GET IT SPAYED AND NEUTERED.

I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH IS, AND THAT IS AN OPTION IN OTHER CITIES.

IF YOU DO THAT, THEN THAT'S REALLY AN ANIMAL CONTROL FUNCTION.

OUR CONTRACT IS NOT AN ANIMAL CONTROL CONTRACT, IT'S AN ADOPTION CENTER MANAGEMENT.

THE COUNTY MANAGES

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THE STRAY HOLD.

AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

OH, I KNOW OF THE KENNEL CONFIGURATION OF DOGS.

AGAIN, CATS AREN'T REALLY AN ISSUE.

THERE'S 68 DOG KENNELS.

25 OF 'EM ARE ON THE ADOPTION SIDE, AND 43 ARE ON THE STRAY HOLD SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT'S NEEDED TO TAKE IN THE VOLUME THAT THE SHERIFF'S TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT KELLER AND HURST, THEY BOTH ARE ROUGHLY 50 TOTAL DOG KENNELS.

44 ARE ON THE ADOPTION SIDE AND ONLY 10 ARE ON THE STRAY SIDE.

BUT THEY'RE NOT, UM, WELL, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE, IT'S HARD TO COMPARISON CITY WITH THE COUNTY CAUSE YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON.

YEAH, NO, BUT, BUT IF THE ANIMAL CONTROL SIDE IS THERE, IF THE COUNTY TOOK OVER ANIMAL CONTROL AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOCKED DOOR ON THE STRAY HOLD SIDE, CUZ THE PUBLIC SHOULDN'T BE GOING THERE, BUT WE'RE USING IT FOR ADOPTION SPACE.

IF THAT BECAME STRAY AND THE COUNTY MANAGED IT, THEN DECISIONS LIKE THAT ARE MADE BY THE COUNTY AND ANIMAL CONTROL, NOT BY Y'ALL.

I GET THAT.

OF COURSE.

I THINK EVERYBODY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SIGNED .

I JUST WANT WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, AND BY NO MEANS WE'D NOT GONNA SAVE EVERY ANIMAL.

I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.

I MEAN EVERYBODY WANTS THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARD.

AND IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE EVERY YEAR.

I MEAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROTECTION.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH OUR HAND IF WE GET A HOLD OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I DON'T KNOW THE SOLUTION, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS FOR PROTECTION.

I MEAN, THEY'RE PROTECT AND SERVE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'RE PROTECTING IT FROM BAD DOGS AND WILD DOGS AND MM-HMM.

AND DISEASE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENS.

AND YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY SAVE EVERY ONE OF THESE DOGS.

THAT'S, IT BECOMES AN A POSSIBILITY AT SOME POINT.

SO EVERYBODY HAS TO FACE THAT FACT.

I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS TO, BUT I MEAN, ESPECIALLY ME, I'M A BIG ANIMAL LOVER THAT'S IN TROUBLE THAT I HAVE.

YOU KNOW, SO I TRY TO SAVE EVERYTHING THAT I CAN SAVE.

BUT, UM, OKAY.

WELL I THINK WE'VE MOVE ON.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TO THE COUNCIL, COME HOME AND WITH THE HAVE FIGURE SOMETHING, UH, THERE'S DISCUSSION ONLY, THERE'S NO DECISION HERE TO BE MADE TODAY.

SO I'LL, WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

NO, THIS AFTERNOON ACTUALLY YOU THIS AFTERNOON? YEAH.

SHE'S ALREADY OH, OKAY.

WELL, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.

COULD, COULD, UH, SOMEONE REACH OUT TO THE CITIES TO SEE IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED IN MAYBE INVESTING? I'LL TALK TO GENERAL.

I MEAN, I'M, LET'S CHECK THIS.

CAUSE THE FACILITY'S THERE.

THAT WOULD BE THE, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THE OLD TRACTOR BUILDING.

WE ARE GOING TO RECESS UNTIL 10 40.

THEN WE'LL BEGIN OUR BUDGET BUDGET WORKSHOP.

I GOT A BIG WORK AREA.

OKAY, WELL THIS TIME GET STARTED.

WE'RE BACK IN SESSION

[19. Workshop- To discuss the FY 23-24 annual budget with department heads.]

10 40.

FIRST UP IS MS. TERESA FLOYD.

Y'ALL ON THE RIGHT SHEET.

I KNOW WHICH ONE PAGE IS IT? I DON'T KNOW.

ON TAB, PAGE 45.

WHICH TAB IS IT AGAIN? PAGE GENERAL.

TURN IN YOUR HANDBOOKS TO PAGE 45.

THERE YOU .

WHAT IS IT? ALRIGHT, MY FINGER IS QUICK 10 AND I'M 41.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH DOING THIS, BUT I, I'M ONLY ASKING FOR, UM, NOW THE EXTRA MONEY I'M ASKING FOR IS IN MILES MILL AND LODGING.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE TWO MORE EMPLOYEES THAT I'M SENDING TO, UH, GET CERTIFIED IN TAX, UM, TAX COLLECTIONS.

AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO START KEEPING UP THEIR CE.

SO I HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE HOTEL ROOMS AND, AND FOR TRAVEL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, AND UH, SO I'M ASKING FOR 2000 FOR THAT LINE ITEM FOR MILES MILL AND LODGING AND FOR THE BOTH OF 'EM OR FOR THAT WOULD BE FOR BOTH OF 'EM.

OF COURSE OUR SOFTWARE ACT SOFTWARE, UH, I'VE GOT THE QUOTE ON THERE, THE REASON WE'RE GOING UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

2000, YEAH, 2000 AND IT'LL COVER HOPEFULLY FOR BOTH.

AND THEN THE, UH, A THOUSAND ON THE, UH, TRAINING, EDUCATION AND CONFERENCE.

AND THAT'S CUZ FOR THE FEES WE'LL HAVE TO PAY.

AND, UM, THEN

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AND THAT'S BECAUSE EVERY YEAR WE GET MORE, UH, PARCEL COUNT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT GOES UP.

AND, UH, I HAD, EXCUSE ME.

YOU'RE FINE.

IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE EXTRA PROGRAMMING BECAUSE OF THE, UH, SENATE BILL THREE PROBABLY.

WE WILL BE GOING THANK YOU.

WE WILL BE GOING TO A COURSE, UH, IN, AT THE END OF JULY WHERE THEY'LL TALK TO US ABOUT ALL THAT WITH OUR ACT PROGRAMMING.

AND, UM, I WAS UNDER BUDGET ON MY OUTSOURCING OF THE TAX STATEMENTS LAST YEAR.

THAT WAS MY FAULT BECAUSE I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

HE DID IT FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S PARCEL COUNT.

AND SO WHEN I ASKED HIM THIS YEAR, I SAID, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TOO LOW LAST YEAR.

AND HE TOLD ME WHY.

AND I SAID, OH, WELL LET'S GO UP SOME MORE.

BECAUSE OUR PARTIAL ACCOUNT GROWS EVERY YEAR.

IT DOESN'T STAY THE SAME.

SO, UH, I DID HAVE TO MOVE MONEY AROUND LAST YEAR AND BORROW FROM PETER TO PAY PAUL.

BUT WE MANAGED IT AND WE DID.

UH, SO FAR WE'RE STILL WITHIN OUR BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.

UM, BUT I DO WANNA INCREASE THAT CUZ WE DID DO WITHOUT SOME THINGS THIS YEAR.

SO, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL THE TAX STATEMENTS MADE, LIKE 92 3000 PARCELS.

AND THEN, YEAH, OF COURSE.

THEN WE'VE GOT THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT WE MAIL OUT FOR THEM TOO, SO THAT ADDS TO THAT.

AND BUT THEY'RE REIMBURSING YOU? YES, THEY'LL REIMBURSE US, BUT WE PAY FOR IT OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

THE, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THEY, THEY CAN'T HELP.

I DON'T GUESS THEY CAN HELP YOU OUT AND TELL YOU THE NUMBER THAT THEY'RE ASKING.

WELL, THEY DID TELL US WE ON OUR, UH, WHEN WE GOT OUR PRELIMINARY TOTALS THIS YEAR.

SO THAT DID HELP ME OUT.

AND UH, AND SO I DID USE THAT AND OF COURSE WE WENT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THE OTHER COUNTIES FOR THEIR PARCEL COUNTS TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT NOTHING.

HOW MANY DID IT INCREASE? DO YOU REMEMBER? FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR? LAST THIS YEAR? MM-HMM.

, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE, IT WASN'T, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST YEAR.

I WENT IN AND ASKED YOU THE SAME QUESTIONS.

AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER.

I DO REMEMBER, UH, I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS.

IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE THOUSAND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS HIGH.

HIGH THIS TIME.

BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STILL PRETTY HIGH.

IT IS STILL PRETTY HIGH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW FAST IT'S GROWING OUT THERE.

SO WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TOTAL UH, REQUEST HERE IN DOLLARS? WAS, IS IT ABOUT, MAKE SURE I GOT THAT RIGHT.

THE, I HAVE THE 16,000 MORE FOR OUTSOURCING THE, UH, STATEMENTS, 9,400 FOR THE ACT SOFTWARE AND THEN THE 3000 FOR THE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GETTING CERTIFIED.

AND YOU, YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE PEOPLE? NOPE, NOT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE'RE, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

SO ROUGHLY 30, WHAT'S THE TOTAL DOLLAR FIGURE? 32.

BRANDY CAN PROBABLY SAY REALLY QUICK.

ANY QUESTIONS? I YOU DON'T NEED EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW? I DON'T, NOPE.

I THINK I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW ON EMPLOYEES.

ANYTHING NEED BE UP? THEY NEED EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? GOOD ON EQUIPMENT? NOPE.

WE'RE GOOD ON EQUIPMENT AND, UH, JUST, YEAH, SUPPLIES.

WE'RE DOING FINE FOR NOW.

LIKE I SAID, I'M STILL KIND OF BORROWING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT TO THE NEXT BUDGET AND THEN WE SHOULD BE OKAY.

NOW ON THE, UH, ON THE OTHER THING I'VE BEEN SAYING TO EVERYBODY ON THE BUDGET TOO IS ON THE PREDICTION ON THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR RIGHT NOW, SUPPOSED TO DROP ANOTHER 4.6% BY 2025, WHICH IS A YEAR FROM NOW.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU FIGURED IN ON THAT TOO, ON THE, ON THE COST OF EVERYTHING GOING UP FOR THIS YEAR, ADDING THAT TO THAT.

BUT YEAH, I, I THINK REALLY I SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY SINCE I'VE HAD TO BE BORROWING THIS YEAR.

I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE, WE SHOULD BE OKAY IF WE'RE NOT, WE'LL, WE'LL SCROUNGE ANOTHER YEAR AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

YEAH, I THINK WE'RE OKAY THIS YEAR.

IT'S THE NEXT YEAR IT'S COULD BE AN ISSUE.

THE GROWTH SLOWED A LITTLE BIT FROM JANUARY TO NOW WE'RE SPEAKING BACK UP.

IT MIGHT PICK BACK UP TOWARDS THEN END UP A NUMBER OF THIS YEAR AS WE DID LAST YEAR.

NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING QUITE AS MANY HOMES UP.

WE'RE STILL BUILDING HOMES.

WE ARE STILL BUILDING HOMES.

BUILDING COMMERCIALS, SO.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OH, YOU'RE EASY TODAY.

YAY.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

YOU VERY MUCH ALL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

THANKS.

Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD ONE.

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WELL WE HAVE JOHNSON 11.

LET'S EITHER, UH, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT OR, YEP.

HAVE YOU JUST SIT THERE AND LOOK AT HIM.

, HE'S HERE.

LET'S DO IT.

I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER GET GET HIM UP HERE.

GET UP HERE.

WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON HERE? 57.

I DON'T MIND BEING A PAGE NUMBER.

SO THIS YEAR ON THE CONSTABLE SIDE OF IT, FOR THE BUDGET COMING UP, WE INCREASED THE OFFICE SUPPLIES, UH, BY $500.

UM, WE HAD TO INCREASE THE PARTS AND REPAIRS BY 17 66 72 GAS AND OIL FOR 47, 23 0 9.

AND THEN MILEAGE MILLS AND LODGING BECAUSE THE TRAINING COST IS GOING UP AS WELL.

UM, SO THE TOTAL COST AND THE INCREASE ON THE CONSTABLE BUDGET WAS FOR 10,989, UH, 81.

AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT I GATHERED.

NOW, UM, NOW THE COMPUTERS DID YOU, THE NEW, YOU HAVE A NEW CAMERA SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO I KNOW SOME OF THE CONSTABLES I TALKED YES, SIR.

AND PLACED THAT IS, UM, WE HAVE THE NEW SYSTEM THAT'S COMING IN AND THAT COST HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN INTO THE CONTRACT BUDGETS, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL.

LET'S GET OVER TO PAGE 66, 69 AND SEVEN.

THE CONTRACTS.

WHICH ONE? 66 IS ONE MORE FORMS. MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU.

I KNOW LAST YEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE.

WHO GOT PAID? WHAT CLERKS? SOME OR ONES AND TWOS AND SOME ARE NONE.

UH, I HEARD Y'ALL SAY ONE THING.

OH, I SEE.

I, NEVERMIND.

I'M OVER ON THE, UH, LET ME FIND IT HERE.

JUST A SECOND.

UM, THAT DRUG THOUGH, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU, I HAD A NOTE ON THERE AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHY I HAD THE NOTE, BUT I WROTE ANOTHER ONE ABOUT, UH, DRUG TESTING AND ALL THAT.

IS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT STILL PICKING UP ALL THE COSTS ON DRUG TEST? WE NEED TO TURN IT IN.

SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KINDA, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

LAST I HEARD WAS THEY WERE, BUT I, AND WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM YET, SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE'VE BEEN, BUT I THINK THEY KINDA, THEIR MONEY GOT DEPLETED REALLY QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO SEND EVERYTHING.

UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN KINDA, UM, MOVING SOME COST AROUND TO GET THE INVOICES.

I KNOW SHERIFF IS OUT OF TOWN.

HIM AND I ARE GONNA TALK WHEN HE GETS BACK.

UM, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT, HEY, DO WE NEED TO CREATE THIS? BECAUSE MAJORITY OF OUR NARCOTICS THAT ARE COMING IN ARE FROM THE CONTRACT SIDE SO THAT MONEY CAN BE PULLED FROM THERE.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE COURTS ARE HAVING THEM ALLOCATE IT BACK ONCE THEY'RE FOUND GUILTY, BUT THERE'S NO TELLING WHEN THAT'S GONNA GET PAID BACK.

SO I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON BECAUSE NORMALLY THE DRUG TESTS ARE ANYWHERE FROM $300 TO ALMOST A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER TEST DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SEND EVERYTHING IN, IT STARTS TO ADD UP REALLY QUICK.

JASON, LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING.

UH, I MEAN, IS THAT A POLICY FROM THE DA'S OFFICE THAT YOU SEND EVERYTHING TO BE TESTED? UH, YES.

SO IF WE GET LIKE, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, I, I GUESS THEY WANTED, UM, DEFENSE ATTORNEYS HAVE STARTED TO BATTLE THIS THING OUT MORE AND MORE.

IF WE GET SOMEBODY THAT HAS MARIJUANA IN THEIR VEHICLE, BUT THEN THEY HAVE A UCW A PISTOL IN THEIR VEHICLE, WE CHARGE THEM WITH THE U C W INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO FIELD TEST THE MARIJUANA WITH OUR KITS, THEY WANT US TO SEND IT TO ARMSTRONG.

AND SO WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO ARMSTRONG AND GET ALL THE, THE WEIGHTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH IT.

AND THAT'S NORMALLY $300 JUST FOR ONE TEST.

THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, SEVERAL YEARS SINCE I WAS AT IRVING PD, BUT THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DID DIFFERENT OVER THERE CUZ THE DALLAS DA, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAD TO WORK WITH THEM.

UH, THEY ALLOWED US, WHAT WE DID IS WE DO FIELD TEST.

WE COULD FILE THE CASE BASED ON THAT.

ONCE THE THING WAS SET TO GO TO TRIAL, THEN WE WOULD SEND IT TO BE TESTED BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT THERE WAS A BUNCH OF THOSE CASES THEY JUST PLED OUT.

DIDN'T HAVE TO TEST IT CUZ THEY, THEY KNEW, YOU KNOW, AND THAT SAVED US A LOT OF MONEY.

AND SO WE

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I THINK ONE OF THOSE ON THAT COMMISSIONER, I THINK, AND, AND WE, WE TRY TO DO THAT TOO, BUT LIKE FOR DPS FORENSICS, THEY'VE GOT SO MANY AGENCIES THEY TEST.

WE SUBMIT IT TO THEM.

IT MAY BE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO, AND, AND THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO COURT ON IT NEEDING THE RESULTS.

AND ALL WE HAVE IS JUST A LAB SUBMISSION FORM.

UM, AND WE DON'T GET ANYTHING BACK UNTIL WE GET THE QUANTIFICATION, WHETHER IT'S FOUND.

AND THEN WE SUBMIT THAT TO THE COURTS AND THEN THEY INCLUDE THAT.

BUT I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT, BY THAT TIME THE TEST IS ALREADY A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO IF THEY WERE SMART, THE DEFENDANT PLEAD IT OUT BEFORE THEY EVER GOT THE TEST BACK.

THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

EVERYBODY PLEAD OUT.

BUT IF YOU SEND IT OUT AND THEY'RE TESTING IT, THEY DON'T STOP ON IT.

I MEAN THEY'RE TESTING IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY CHARGING ME.

ONCE WE PULL SOMEBODY OUT AND WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A PISTOL IN THEIR CAR AND THEY HAVE THE MARIJUANA, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S JUST A LITTLE BITTY BLUNT.

IF THEY HAD THAT MARIJUANA, THAT'S WHY WE GET THEM FOR THE U C W, WE HAVE TO SEND THAT.

WOW, OKAY.

INSTEAD OF JUST FIELD TESTING.

4,100 MORE PARCELS THIS YEAR THAN LAST THAN LAST YEAR.

WOW.

THAT'S A BUNCH.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

NO, YOU'RE FINE JUDGE.

AND NORMALLY EACH PARCEL'S ANYWHERE FROM 500 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO HOW MANY TESTS PER YEAR ARE DOING FOR JUDGE? I CAN TELL YOU THAT I JUST SUBMITTED JUST WITHIN THE LAST THREE WEEKS, 27 TESTS.

AND THAT'S EITHER ARMSTRONG OR D P S ALONE.

IS, IS THAT ALL COMING OUTTA WINDMILL FORMS? UH, 60%.

YOU GOT MAYBE THE OTHER, YOU GOT SIMMONS AND DEVONSHIRE TOO.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

MAYBE 10% OUT OF DEVONSHIRE.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER IS OUTTA MUD FIVE.

NO, SO IT'S NOT THAT MUCH BACK ON THE COUNTY.

NO SIR.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT BUT IS IT ALREADY BUILT UP? IS IT ALREADY BUILT IN THE, THE MISCELLANEOUS OR WE ACTUALLY CHARGE 'EM AND THEN THEY PAY US FOR IT.

IS THAT SOMEWHERE THE LATTER I GUESS LA THE LATTER PART.

SO IT REIMBURSES.

WHERE IS DRUG TESTING HERE? DRUG TESTING.

IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS DRUG.

YEAH, IT IS DRUG.

IT'S UH, REIMBURSEMENT IS IN A REVENUE LINE ITEM BY 2.68 MILLION.

OH YEAH.

BUT I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE NUMBER THAT WASN'T JUST FROM DRUGS.

IS THAT JUST FROM DRUGS? IT CAN BE FROM NO, EVERY SINGLE.

I WAS GONNA SAY IF IT IS, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.

WHAT DRUG CONDITION WAS COST YOU? OH, I CAN DEFINITELY GET THE NUMBERS FOR YOU.

I CAN PULL LAST YEAR'S AND GET 'EM FOR YOU.

AND CAN JUST, HOW MANY SO FAR THIS YEAR GOT COMPARE? YES SIR.

I CAN GET THE NUMBERS.

CHIEF, CAN WE WORK ON THE NUMBERS? WELL, LIKE ON THIS LINE OUT HUNDRED WINDMILL FARMS, I DON'T KNOW.

LAST YEAR IS 3,500 AND IT'S BUDGET AGAIN.

WHICH ONE? JUST WINDMILL FARMS. YEAH, LIKE THE THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S JUST FOR WINDMILL FARM.

SO YEAH.

35 WINDMILL FARM.

SO WE, UH, JUST ON THE 23 WE'RE AT 2,500.

WE ONLY HAVE $125 LEFT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE BUMPED IT UP TO 3,500.

MUD.

FIVE WAS 3,500, WE LEFT THAT ONE ALONE.

AND THEN DEVIN SHOWER, WE LEFT THAT ONE ALONE AS WELL.

2000.

THE DAMAGE TOWER WAS THE CHEAP ONE.

AND CLEMENS IS ACTUALLY JUST MUD FIVE.

JUDGE MUD.

UM, THAT IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERCENTAGE HE'S BEING UTILIZED IN THE WINDMILL FARMS IN THE MUD FIVE IN THE DEVON SHIRE.

THAT'S TRAVIS RANCH.

LAKESIDE BY HEATH CLEMENS RANCH, TRINITY CROSSING.

ALL ONE MUD DISTRICT 9,000 TOTAL.

OKAY, GOOD.

ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE NOT ASK YOU FOR ANY NEW EMPLOYEES.

THAT'S GOOD.

WELL, ON THE CONSTABLE SIDE, I MEAN IF YES SIR.

IF WE CAN.

SO, AND, AND JUDGE EARLY AND I DA EARLY AND I TALKED, UM, THE STREET CRIMES TASK FORCE, RIGHT.

WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THEM.

UM, BUT HE'S UNDER THE CONTRACT SIDE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE HIM OVER TO THE CONSTABLES SIDE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THAT POSITION FOR HIM SO HE COULD GO OVER THERE.

UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HE IS OUT OF THE CONTRACT.

THAT'S WHERE, SO YOU WOULD WOULD KEEP HIM IN ALL THREE CONTRACTS OUT OF THERE? HE WOULD, BUT HE WOULD BE ASSIGNED STRICTLY TO THEM.

SO HOW WE COULD, THEY'RE STILL PAYING FOR IT.

HOW WE COULD JUSTIFY,

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AND WE KNOW THAT MAJORITY OF HIS, WHAT HE'S BEING ASSIGNED TO, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WINDMILL FARMS RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WE CAN JUSTIFY THAT.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, DA AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE BROADENED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE KAUFMAN COUNTY.

THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE STREET CRIMES.

AND SO I DIDN'T WANT IT TO COME BACK GOING, OKAY, WELL HE'S DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND HE'S NOT UP HERE DEALING WITH WHAT HE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR THAT, CREATE THAT POSITION, AND THEN MOVE HIM OVER TO THAT SO THAT WAY HE'S FREE TO RUN THE WHOLE COUNTY IN ITSELF AND NOT BE HEMMED UP IN SOMETHING.

BUT HE GONNA BE ASSIGNED MOSTLY TO THOSE.

HE'S, HE'S STRICTLY ASSIGNED TO THE TASK FORCE.

THAT'S WHERE HE RESPONDS TO NOW.

THAT'S, BUT THE, THE MONEY BASED SALARY STILL COME OUT THE SAME PLACE AS IT'S NOW TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING OUT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THE GRANT COMING IN UNDER THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING INTO PLAY.

I'M JUST LEAVING FOR AS IT GONNA COST THE GENERAL FUND MORE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T.

BUT THEN IF WE WERE LOOKING AT ADDING IN ANOTHER JP TWO, THEN I WOULD NEED A POSITION FOR THAT.

CUZ I, I THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE, WERE THERE YET.

AND I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW.

I I WAS LIKE, OKAY, DO I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MENTION IT NOW? BECAUSE THAT WOULD NEED A POSITION FOR THAT TO HANDLE THAT.

AND THEN, UM, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS MOVING, UM, ROSS INTO A SPECIFIC CANINE POSITION SO THAT WAY HE'S FREED UP INSTEAD OF JUST TIED IN LIKE HE IS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME.

WE'LL HAVE TO VISIT MULTIPLE MORE.

I'M SORRY.

I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY NEED TO TELL US SO WE CAN BUDGET FOR CORRECTLY.

WELL, I DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING, WE'RE NOT ADDING IT IN THE, WE'RE NOT ADDING, WE'RE NOT ADDING A POSITION OVER THERE IN HIS YET.

WE'RE JUST, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA BE BUDGETED.

NO, ABSO AND, AND WHY NOT? AND THAT WAS, WE WERE JUST TOLD, HEY, GET THE NUMBERS TOGETHER JUST ON, DON'T INCLUDE THE POSITIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

AND WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL MAYBE I JUST NEED TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.

SO, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE ON THAT, NOT TO JUMP THE GUN OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

IT WAS JUST TO YES.

HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAN THAT.

WHAT ELSE, GUYS? OKAY.

THIS IS THE FIRST ROUND.

SO WE WILL GET BACK THE PAYROLL AND STUFF LATER.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

BASICALLY, UH, 10,000 INCREASE IN 10,000 9 89.

81 9 11,011, 11,000 IN THE CONSEQUENCES INCREASE TOTAL IS ALL KEEPING UP WITH IT THERE.

WANT ME? YEAH, JUST PUT OUT ROUND IT UP TO 11,000.

YOU'LL KNOW THAT IF YOU ACCEPT THAT THERE'LL BE 11,000 MORE IN THAT'S RIGHT.

THANKS ME.

MS. CAR, DO YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION YET? OKAY.

THAT, THAT IS A GRANT.

SO I HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT DIFFERENTLY, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET EVERYBODY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

WE'RE RUNNING REAL PRETTY FAST YET, WHICH IS NOT ALL BANDS.

, WHO'S NEXT ON THE LIST? THIS DESIREE FOOD.

CALL HER IN HERE.

JACKSON, YOU, WOULD YOU STEP OUT AND ASK DESIREE TO COME IN PLACE? YES SIR.

IF SHE'S READY.

IF SHE'S NOT READY THEN SHE HAS TO STAY LAST YEAR.

, WHAT PAGE IS SHE ON? SHE'S IN THAT, SHE'S UP THERE ON THE LEFT.

SHE IN THAT OTHER OFFICE.

SHE'S UNDER OTHER FUNDS.

CAUSE SHE'S, THEY LOOKED ACROSS ALL THIS AND SHE'S NOT ON THERE.

SHE WOULD BE ON PAGE 1 0 2.

1 0 2.

THERE YOU GO.

I DON'T THINK THERE IT IS.

PAGE ONE, TWO.

IN GENERAL.

YOU ON OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE OTHER, OTHER FUNDS? YEAH.

DARDEN, HOW IS EVERYONE? NO, THAT'S OKAY.

WRONG.

OKAY, THEN WE'RE GET IN THE RIGHT CATEGORY.

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SHE'S READY.

I PROMISE YOU IF ANYBODY'S READY, SHE'S READY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT THIS OR NOT.

YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO US ANYWAY.

I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

GO OUT THE TRASH WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

WHATEVER YOU WANT.

SO, UH, FIRST THING, UM, THE SALARY LINE ITEM.

I I, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR I DO THIS SPREADSHEET TRYING TO SHOW Y'ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

AND IF YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, 10 COUNTIES BELOW US IN POPULATION IN 10 COUNTIES ABOVE, I GIVE YOU THE, EVERYTHING I CALL 'EM, I ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOUR PEOPLE MAKE AND IF Y'ALL LOOK AND SEE LILLY IS THE LOWEST PAID OUT OF ALL OF THEM REALLY.

UH, AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND SHE'S THE LOWEST PAID.

UM, SO I'M JUST ASKING TO AT LEAST GET HER BUMPED UP TO WHERE SHE'S WHERE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE THERE.

IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE HER TITLE OR WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO MOVE HER IN THAT EVERGREEN STUDY TO GET HER WHERE SHE NEEDS TO BE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

I, I'VE ATTACHED A LETTER THERE.

UM, I'VE ATTACHED THE SPREADSHEET AND I'VE ALSO ATTACHED HER JOB DESCRIPTION.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

IF YOU PUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION.

I DID.

IT'S, I IT'S IN THERE.

DID YOU PUT THE OLD JOB DESCRIPTION IN THERE? I PUT I IT, BUT WE ADDED, SO I KNOW, BUT I MEANT, OKAY.

YEAH, IT, I'VE ADDED WHAT SHE, HER ALL HER DUTIES ARE NOW.

SO, OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS, ALL RIGHT, LAST YEAR THEY GOT HER AS A LEVEL ONE 10 AND YOU WANNA GO TO NO, THEY, THEY HAD HER AT A LEVEL, UM, ONE, LET ME GET OVER THERE.

SORRY.

YOU WANT GO TO A ONE 10? I WANT TO GO TO A ONE 10.

UM, THEY HAD HER 1 5 1 0 1 0 5, AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE HER INTO A 1 0 1 10 IF WE HAVE TO, LIKE I SAID, CHANGE HER TITLE, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

UM, I'D LIKE TO GET HER IN THAT POSITION.

WELL, I'M NOT A FAN OF CHANGING TITLES TO GET RAISES.

I, I, BUT I UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING YEAH, BUT HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH A 1 0 5? I, I HAVE, I HAVE NO IDEA.

WHEN I WENT AND I TOLD THEM THE DESCR JOB DESCRIPTION TOLD 'EM WHAT SHE DOES, I I HAVE NO, NO IDEA.

BUT IT DOESN'T NEED, I MEAN, YOU SEE, I'M SHOWING YOU ON THE SPREADSHEET WHERE THE PEOPLE AND HER POSITION WHERE THEY'RE AT.

SO DO YOU REMEMBER HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE, THAT NUMBER? I WASN'T, YEAH, NONE OF US WERE.

YEAH, I SAW GOOGLE SAID, I JUST TOLD GUYS PAID TOO MUCH MONEY.

YEAH, SAY NOTHING.

I'LL SAY SOMETHING.

THE WHOLE STUDY WAS DONE IN AN EFFORT TO SHOW THAT PEOPLE WERE BEING PAID TOO MUCH MONEY AND IT SHOWED JUST THE OPPOSITE IN, IN A LOT OF CASES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

AND THE STUDY WE GOT WAS TWO YEARS OLD WHEN WE GOT IT .

SO WITH INFLATION IT SIX TO 8% DIDN'T.

AND THIS STILL CAUGHT YOU? WELL, I DON'T HAVE SOME PEOPLE MAKING THE LEASE OUT.

I DON'T EITHER, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING.

HOLD JUST A, I DIDN'T EVEN BRING THAT STUDY.

WELL I PUT A COPY OF WHERE SHE WA WHERE SHE IS IN THE 1 0 5 AND THEN WHERE THE ONE 10 IS.

SO I DID PUT THAT IN THAT LITTLE OKAY.

PACKET I GAVE YOU.

YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES OUR BIGGEST ASSET.

THEY NEED TO BE PAID ACCORDINGLY TO THE JOBS.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, WHATEVER WE DO.

OKAY, THEY MOVED HER TO THAT MIDPOINT IS WHAT THEY DID.

HERE WE ARE.

YOU WOULD HAVE LILY'S ONLY EMPLOYEE YOU HAVE, RIGHT? YES SIR.

SO ACCORDING TO THIS, THE MIDPOINT SHOULD BE 41 1 0 1.

LET'S SEE WHERE SHE'S, SHE'S

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YEAH, MOST OF 'EM ARE LIKE A CLERK TWO IS WHAT IT CALLED CLERK TWO.

IS THERE A CLERK THREE? JUST A ONE AND A TWO? NO, THEY'RE JUST A ONE AND TWO.

ONE AND TWO.

AND THEN YOU GOT ALL MIDDLE AND HIGH CLA I MEAN, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, I DIDN'T BRING UP, WELL I MEAN SHE, SHE, SHE GAVE IN THAT'S WHAT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

SEE THERE'S PART TWO.

AND THEN LOW MIDDLE, THAT'S 43.

SHE, SHE'S ON TWO.

SHE'S AT THE REAR BOTTOM.

WHAT? SHE'S OKAY.

IS SHE ON THE BOTTOM OR THE MIDDLE? WELL, 41.

SHE GAVE IT THE MIDDLE, BUT, BUT SHE, SHE WAS THERE.

WELL FIVE LAST YEAR SHE GOT THIS.

SO SHE SHOULD WHAT ASKING IS RIGHT HERE.

WHAT ELSE MR. OKAY, I'M SORRY.

UM, THE OFFICE SUPPLY, UM, BASICALLY JUST, I JUST NEED ENOUGH WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO TRANSFER MONEY CUZ I'M, DURING THE YEAR EVERYTHING COST GOES UP AND FOR THE TONER AND FOR THE PAPER OR WHATEVER AND I ALWAYS HAVE TO MOVE MONEY OVER.

SO I'M JUST ASKING ENOUGH IN THERE TO AT LEAST KEEP ME FROM HAVING TO MOVE LINE ITEMS. SO THAT MAKES SENSE.

YOU HAD 1200 LAST YEAR? YOU WANT 2350 THIS YEAR? YEAH.

UM, THEN THE OFFICE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT LINE ITEM.

SO, UM, THERE IS A, UM, WITH OUR SOFTWARE COMPANY WHERE WE CAN PUT THE DOCUMENTS, SCAN THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE SYSTEM AND OPEN UP FILES FOR EACH ONE OF OUR CLIENTS.

SO THAT WAY IF LILLY'S NOT HERE, I CAN GO INTO MY SYSTEM AND I CAN SEE THE DOCUMENTATIONS WHEN SHE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HERE WHATEVER, AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO AND HUNT THE FILE DOWN AND FIND OUT WHERE IT'S AT.

SO THIS YEAR I KIND OF JUST WANT TO GET HER ONE, UM, FOR THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR I MIGHT ASK FOR ONE FOR MYSELF FOR THE INMATES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE FOR HER INDIGENT CLIENT SO I CAN PULL IT UP WHEN SOMEBODY DOES CALL 'EM ON THE INDIGENT TIME.

UM, NOW THERE IS GONNA BE AN INCREASE AS FAR AS THE SOFTWARE GOES AND THAT WILL BE THE NEXT THING.

BUT THIS IS FOR THE SCANNER RIGHT NOW.

UH, JUST FOR ONE OF THE SCANNERS.

SO THAT'S $1,200.

UH, WELL, SO IT'LL BE UM, 10 ABOUT, YEAH, ABOUT THAT MUCH.

THEN THE NEXT THING IS JUST THE LODGING AND EVERYTHING.

OUR IH SOFTWARE CONFERENCE WILL NOT BE TILL 2025.

SO I DON'T NEED MONEY FOR THAT IN THAT, UH, LINE ITEM, BUT I WILL BE COMING BACK NEXT YEAR ASKING FOR THAT TO BE PUT BACK.

SO, OKAY.

AND THEN I SHOWED YOU WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHERE THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE TRAINING, SAME AS ALWAYS.

UM, THE REGISTRATION WENT UP ON OUR CONFERENCE, SO IT'S GONNA VARY IN BETWEEN THAT.

SO I DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THERE.

SO, AND THEN, UM, THE EQUIPMENT, SO THE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WHERE, UM, THE INCREASE WERE THE LEXINEXIS, WHICH IS EVERY YEAR.

AND UM, I ATTACHED WHERE THEY ON THE IMAGING THING, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK FOR ONE OF THOSE, IT'LL BE $349 PER MONTH, UH, BRINGS IT TO A TOTAL OF $4,188 A YEAR.

UM, NOW ONE OTHER THING, UM, MY I P M, WHICH IS OUR PHARMACEUTICAL, UM, PROGRAM, WITH ALL THE CHANGES AND THE TEXAS RATES CHANGING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, SOME OF THE, UM, PHARMACIES ARE GOING UP ON THEIR DISPENSE FEES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO OUR PROGRAM HAS GONE UP.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE US A FEE THAT WILL COME OUT OF MY ELIGIBILITY EXPENSES.

IT WON'T COME OUT OF, WE DON'T HAVE TO START ANOTHER LINE ITEM OR PULL IT ANYWHERE ELSE.

IT WILL COME OUTTA THE ELIGIBILITY EXPENSES.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE $250 MORE A MONTH, UM, IF A MONTH, YES.

UM, IF I WOULD'VE KEPT, AND I, I'LL, I WILL PRESENT THIS NEXT WEEK AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THIS.

UM, I JUST GOT IT LATE LAST WEEK CUZ I WANTED THEM TO TELL ME EVERYTHING WHERE THE SAVINGS STILL IS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THEY DID THAT FOR ME.

UM, SO, UM, BUT IT'S, IF I WOULD'VE KEPT LIKE CVS OR WALGREENS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR 50 A MONTH.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING WITH CVS OR WALGREENS ANYMORE, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA BE DOING THE LOCAL AND WALMART AND THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT ALL THE PHARMACIES WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR US RIGHT NOW UNTIL EVERYBODY ELSE COMES DOWN TO WORK WITH US.

TUESDAY WHEN I BRING IT TO COURT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT DOES HAVE TO BE SIGNED.

SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ON THAT NEXT

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ANY MORE GRANTS YOU CAN COME THROUGH THE PIPELINE THAT YOU KNOW OF? ANY WHAT GRANTS? UH, SO MY PROGRAM, THERE'S NO GRANTS BECAUSE WE'RE MANDATORY BY THE STATE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT NO MATTER WHAT.

SO WE CAN'T ACCEPT GRANTS , IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE MM-HMM.

THINGS, YOU KNOW.

SO NO MANDATE.

RIGHT ABOUT $11,625 INCREASE.

, WHAT ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S IT.

I'M DONE ON MY END.

MS. O DO YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM ME? WELL, THANK GOODNESS CUZ I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WRITE A BOOK FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WELL I'M, ANYTHING ON FOR I DON'T PICK IT UP.

SO IT'S ABOUT 12 GRAND THERE.

, IT'S 11,000 625, 375 LOWER THAN WHAT YOURS SUGGESTED.

WE HAVE, UH, ROBERT HUNTER.

I THINK I HAVE HIS NUMBER IN MY PHONE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE HIS NUMBER.

I THINK I HAVE SAY YEAH, I GOT HIM.

GOT HIS BOSS'S NUMBER.

I KNOW, HUH? I'VE GOT HIS BOSS'S NUMBER.

YOU'LL BAG HIM HERE.

SEE IF HE'S, SEE IF HE AN I'M SEEING HE IS ANSWERING THE PHONE.

YOU TEXTING HIM? I'M TEXTING HIM RIGHT NOW.

I'M I'M TELLING HIM AND ANSWERING THE PHONE.

HE WASN'T READY.

SO 1140 ANYWAY, SO HE'S, YEAH, WE'RE MOVING FAST.

THAT ONE 40.

THEY'RE NOT TAKING AS LONG AS I THOUGHT.

WHAT PAGE IS THAT HUNTER ON AND WHAT TAB ARE WE ON THERE? THE FIRST ONE? GENERAL FUND.

Y'ALL ONLY ASK FOR ANY MONEY WHILE YOU'RE HERE.

CAN'T HAVE IT SIX MONTHS.

SIX MONTHS

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NOW.

EARLY BEFORE YOU DONE.

YOU'LL BE BACK CHARLOTTE.

THAT'S REASON ONE.

NO WORRIES.

HOW ARE Y'ALL TODAY? ALL WE'RE GOOD? UH, MINE CAN BE, WELL WE'RE DOING GOOD EXCEPT FOR THE TERRIBLE NEWS.

WE'VE BEEN BREAKING EVERYBODY, BUT THEY NEED TO CUT IT BY 25% LAST YEAR.

NO PROBLEM.

TOO EASY.

OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING'S WORTH.

YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU GUYS HAVE THE HARD JOB.

YOU'RE THE ONES HAVE TO DO THE BUDGET.

THAT'S FROM SALARY DIDN'T YOU? 25%.

YEAH, HE'S A TROOPER.

HE IS VOLUNTEERING RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

I, NO, NO, NO.

I WAS ARMY.

WE DON'T VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING.

, YOU WENT TO BOOTCAMP, YOU KNEW NOT TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAID WHO CAN DRIVE? THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT TO ARMY THOUGH, THEY STILL HAND PEELED POTATOES.

I I DID TOO.

THES MESS.

IT WASN'T FUN.

YOU GOT TO DO THAT A LOT.

NOT FUN.

BY TODAY THEY HAVE ALL CIVILIAN STUFF THERE.

YEAH, WE GOT THE BASIC AND THEY SAID, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO COOK A STEAK? AND OF COURSE A TON OF PEOPLE RAISED THEIR HAND AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WENT AND LEARNED HOW TO WASH DISHES.

SO YOU GOT FIRST.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET INTO YOUR REQUEST HERE.

SO GO AHEAD MR. ROBIN.

GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS OUR STANDARD LINE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE APPLIES TRAINING AND ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, VETERAN SERVICES HAS NO REQUEST FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THOSE AREAS.

WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE DUE WITH WHAT WE GOT LAST YEAR.

UM, WE ACTUALLY MAY EVEN HAVE, UH, IN ONE OF OUR LINE ITEMS AND IT, IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR, UM, WITH THE, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE FLOATING THINGS.

SOMETIMES WE DON'T END UP USING AS MUCH AND WE END UP HAVING TO GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, I DO HAVE SOME PLANS, UH, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR, SO WE WILL END UP USING A PORTION OF THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE GET BACK SOME REALLY LARGE QUOTES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA USE ALL OF THAT THIS YEAR.

SO THAT WILL GO BACK.

UM, I DROPPED THAT LAST YEAR, I THINK FROM 45 OR 46, MAYBE EVEN DOWN TO 35.

SO, UH, WE'LL JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AND IF WE NEED TO, UH, DROP IT AT SOME POINT, THEN WE CERTAINLY CAN.

FOR NOW, I JUST LEFT IT AS IT IS AND I LEAVE IT TO YOU GENTLEMEN TO MAKE THE DECISIONS YOU NEED TO MAKE.

YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME ABOUT THE CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING AND YOU WERE GONNA GET WITH RAY AT THE TIME.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

UH, I AM RIGHT NOW I AM AWAITING.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, THE ENGINEER, UH, CAME OUT TO THE SITE, UM, LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, KIND OF UNOFFICIALLY AGREED THAT WE WERE LIKELY LOOKING AT AN END OF LIFE SCENARIO VERSUS A REPAIR RESTORE SCENARIO.

BUT HE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE THAT CALL.

SO HE PULLED IN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UM, WHO HAS COME OUT TO THE PARK AND HAS WALKED AROUND.

I PROVIDED THEM WITH THE BLUEPRINTS, UM, AND EVERYTHING TO THE PARK.

AND AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST NOW WAITING ON THEIR OFFICIAL REPORT THAT THEY'RE GOING, WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THEIR REPORT.

UM, I HOPE TO HAVE THAT SO THAT I CAN INCLUDE THAT WITH MY QUARTERLY LIKE WE DID, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME.

I DO NOT HAVE THE OFFICIAL REPORT, THE UNOFFICIAL REPORT, UH, FROM ONE ENGINEER IN THE FIRM IS THAT HE BELIEVES WE WILL LIKELY BE, UM, LOOKING MORE AT END OF LIFE AND ALLOWING US TO USE IT FOR HOWEVER LONG IT HAS.

UH, AND PROVIDE YOU THAT FEEDBACK.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW,

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BUT, UM, HIS INITIAL ASSESSMENT THAN I KNOW COMMISSIONER BARBER HAD TALKED ABOUT, THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY NEAT THINGS AND SQUIRTING FOAM UNDERNEATH AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, BUT AS WE LOOKED AT IT, HE'S LIKE, UH, WHATEVER WE SQUIRT UNDERNEATH IS GOING TO CREATE.

HE SAYS, THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SINKING FASTER NOW THAN WHAT YOU NOTICED BEFORE IS BECAUSE YOU ADDED THE WEIGHT OF ALL THE NEW CONCRETE WHEN YOU DID THE INITIAL REPAIRS AND THAT WEIGHT IS ACTUALLY NOW CAUSING YOU, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SINKING FASTER.

UM, WE'RE NOT QUITE TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE, BUT EVEN THE ENGINEER, JUST IN THE SHORT TIME OF TIMEFRAME THAT WE MADE THOSE REPAIRS, UM, I THINK WE'RE AT THE TWO YEAR MARK NOW.

YOU CAN NOW SEE A FULL ONE INCH GAP AROUND THE BOTTOM OF SOME OF THOSE GRANITE UH, PLATES.

SO HE SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, CUZ I SAID, WELL WHAT IF WE, WHAT IF WE CALLED LIKE ORHAN MAN OR SOMETHING? CAN WE SQUIRT STUFF UNDERNEATH THERE? CAN WE DO? HE GOES, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE LIKE A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSE OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE, HE SAYS, ANYTHING YOU PUT IN HERE, ANY WEIGHT WE ADD TO THIS, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO INCREASE THE SHRINKAGE BECAUSE THE GROUND UNDERNEATH IS WHAT'S WRONG.

NOT, NOT YOUR, YOUR YOUR MEMORIAL.

IT'S THE GROUND THAT IT SITS ON.

AND HE SAYS MOST LIKELY THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T PUT A PROPER FOUNDATION IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CERTAIN THICKNESS AND EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

UM, AND EVERYTHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME, UM, UH, FOUNDATION.

IT LOOKS BASED ON, IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO, ADDED ON.

NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS ADDED.

UH, JUDGE, I THINK WHAT THEY DID WAS, IS THEY BUILT, UH, I THINK THEY BUILT THE STRUCTURE, UH, THE THE THE FRAME KIND OF LIKE YOU WOULD MAYBE A MOBILE HOME, HOW YOU DON'T LAY A COMPLETE CONCRETE PAD, YOU JUST MAKE THE RUNNERS.

AND THEN THE TRAILER SITS ON THOSE RUNNERS PUT A BEAMER AROUND.

SO I THINK WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY POURED A FOOTER AROUND THE OUTSIDE EDGES AND THAT IS WHAT'S SINKING.

AND THAT'S WHY THE FLAG POLES ARE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TECH, THEY'RE NOT TRULY CONNECTED TO THAT.

SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THAT FOR ME IS, IS, IS SPECULATION AND, AND WHATNOT.

WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT ON THE REPORT FROM THEM.

THE MEMORIAL.

Y'ALL HAVE A BOARD, RIGHT? WE HAVE A, UM, WE DO HAVE THE FRIENDS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, UH, MEMORIAL PARK BOARD.

DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE MONEY TO HELP WITH SOME THINGS? NO, NOT TO THAT LEVEL.

I THINK THE LAST REPORT, UH, THE LAST QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WE DID, THE FINANCIAL BUDGET FOR THAT I THINK IS SOMEWHERE AROUND SIX GRAND IS WHAT'S IN THAT BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

UM, THEY, WE DON'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO GENERATE, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO BIG THAT, THAT BOARD IS A REMNANT OF THE BOARD THAT WAS IN PLACE WHEN THE PARK ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2005.

UM, THERE ARE TWO BOARD MEMBERS STILL, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING OF THE PARK.

THAT WOULD BE MR. DANNY BOOTH AND MR. RAY RAYMOND.

UM, AND SO, BUT SINCE I HAVE ARRIVED, UM, WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE LOST A FEW.

UM, AND WE'VE NOW GOT ALMOST A WHOLE NEW BOARD.

AND THE BOARD WE DO MORE, UH, WE DO LIKE THE REESE ACROSS AMERICA.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY THAT THAT'S MORE PART OF THAT BOARD AND MISS JODY DYLER TRYING TO JUST SPEARHEAD THAT AND GET THAT DONE.

UM, THEY HELP COORDINATE, UH, FOR OUR CEREMONIES THAT WE DO THE MEMORIAL DAY, THE VETERANS DAY, UM, AND WHEN WE, THEY PAY, UH, I DO NOT OUT OF COUNTY FUNDS PAY TO HAVE NAMES PUT ON THE WALL.

THE BOARD, THE BOARD PAYS FOR THAT.

SO WHEN WE RECEIVE NAMES AND WE DO OUR VOTES OR WHATEVER HAVE YOU, AND WE CONFIRM THAT THAT PERSON IS ELIGIBLE, THEN WHEN WE TYPICALLY WE WAIT TILL WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE NAMES AT LEAST BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO DO 'EM IN NUMBERS, THEN WE CALL THE, THE THE CONTRACTOR OUT.

HE DOES THAT.

AND THAT IS, UM, THAT IS PAID FOR OUT OF THOSE PARK FUNDS.

I DON'T EVER GET THE BILL FOR THAT.

BUT ULTIMATELY BEFORE I RETIRE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO SERVICE OFFICERS IN THE OFFICE WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

SO THE ONLY OTHER, THE, AND I, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WHEN WE GET OUR INITIAL EMAILS AND EVERYTHING, YOU GUYS SAY DON'T, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SALARY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS.

SO I WASN'T SURE.

I JUST PUT MY NAME ON THE BOARD TO COME IN TODAY I ONLY HAVE ONE REQUEST AND THAT IS A TITLE CHANGE FOR MRS. BELINDA, WHO'S CURRENTLY A CLERK.

UM, AND I LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, SO MY INITIAL DESIRE, UM, GOING BACK TO, AND YOU'RE AWARE OF MY OVERALL PLAN TO GROW THE, THE SERVICE OFFICE, UH, BOTH WITH A BUILDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA LET IT DIE.

WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING IT.

UM,

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UM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE IMPRESSED WHEN YOU SEE THE NUMBERS FOR THIS QUARTER AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE ON PACE TO SET YET ANOTHER RECORD FOR THIS IS GONNA BE THE BUSIEST YEAR WE'VE HAD SINCE WE'VE STARTED.

SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE, UH, CONS THE, THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CONSIDER CHANGING MRS. BELINDA'S TITLE TO EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR IF SHE DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR TITLE, THEN AT LEAST, UH, ELEVATING HER FROM CLERK ONE TO CLERK TWO.

CURRENTLY MRS. UH, BELINDA MAKES A SALARY.

UM, AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, WHAT I DID WAS IS I JUST WENT ON TO OUR BUDGETS FROM LAST YEAR AND I LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS OFFICES.

UM, THE SALARY FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT KIND OF VARIES A LITTLE BIT, BUT I FOUND MULTIPLE THAT WERE AT THE 46,177 RANGE FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF ABOUT JUST UNDER $6,000 A YEAR.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL FEES THAT THE AUDITOR WOULD END UP COMING AND GIVING US BECAUSE THERE'S INSURANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, I, I DON'T GET THOSE NUMBERS.

SO, UH, AND THEN A CLERK TWO, ACCORDING TO LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS, IT WAS, UH, 43,156.

NOW, UH, MRS. BELINDA, UM, CAME ON BOARD.

SHE IS CURRENTLY AT THIS TIME, UM, PERFORMING NONACCREDITED RELATED VSSO SERVICES.

SO WHEN A VETERAN CALLS IN AND THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT VARIOUS BENEFITS, AND IF IT'S A, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE LOGGING INTO THE VA OR SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES THE ACTUAL GENERATION OF CERTIFICATION FORMS, MRS. BELINDA IS NOW HANDLING A LOT OF THAT.

UM, SHE IS, UH, I PLAN THIS YEAR TO SEND HER TO THE INITIAL TRAINING FOR VETERAN SERVICE OFFICES TO EXPAND HER KNOWLEDGE AND, AND ELIGIBILITY OF WORK THAT SHE CAN PERFORM DIRECTLY WITH THE VETERANS.

UH, SHE IS MANAGING THE OFFICE SUPPLIES.

UH, SHE BUILDS OUR DATABASE FILES AND VET PRO, WE HAVE A LICENSE FOR HER NOW WITH VET PRO.

SO SHE'S ACTUALLY ENTERING VETERAN DATA INTO THAT SYSTEM.

UM, AND SHE'S ALSO THE, SO WHEN A VETERAN CALLS IN AND THEY HAVE, UH, REQUESTS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT FUNDED DIRECTLY BY THE COUNTY OR BY THE VA DIRECTLY, THEN MRS. BELINDA, I'VE KIND OF GIVEN HER, COINED HER A NAME.

UH, SHE IS MY, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROJECTS COORDINATOR.

SO WHAT MRS. BELINDA, SHE'S VERY MUCH LIKE PAM QUARTER IS AND SHE WILL GO OUT AND FIND VARIOUS RESOURCES THAT ARE NOT THAT, THAT A VETERAN COULD USE.

THEY WOULD NOT BE USED THROUGH US DIRECTLY, BUT WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THOSE RESOURCES AND SHE'S BUILDING DATABASES SO THAT WE CAN DIRECT VETERANS WHO MAY BE, UH, THE VA DOESN'T PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THAT.

LIKE, AS AN EXAMPLE, I CAN'T PAY MY RENT THIS MONTH.

WELL, THE COUNTY, WE CAN'T PAY YOUR RENT EITHER.

WE DON'T HAVE PROGRAMS SET UP TO WHERE WE CAN GENERATE PAYING A VETERAN'S HOME, HOME HOME NOTE THIS MONTH REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE IS.

THE VA IN MOST CASES DOESN'T DIRECTLY DO THAT EITHER.

UM, BUT THERE ARE SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, IN FACT, I LEARNED OF ONE JUST THIS MORNING COIN, UM, WHICH IS, UH, A, A GROUP THAT RECEIVES MONEY FROM THE VA, FROM TV C AND FROM THE VA THAT WILL HELP A VETERAN PAY A MORTGAGE NOTE ONE TIME.

SO, AND MRS. BELINDA, SHE'S THE ONE THAT REACHES OUT, SHE COORDINATES AND TRIES TO FIND ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES AND WHATNOT SO THAT I CAN FOCUS ON FILLING OUT PAPERWORK AND TAKING CARE OF THE VETERANS DIRECTLY.

SO, UM, I DO NOT HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC JOB DESCRIPTION FOR YOU TODAY BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE IF THIS, AGAIN, IF THIS WAS AN ENTERTAINMENT THING.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING AND IF A SECONDARY MEETING IS NECESSARY, I CAN CERTAINLY GENERATE, UM, UH, JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND EVERYTHING, HOW, HOW IT'S DIFFERENT FROM MAYBE WHAT SHE STARTED WITH AND THE, THE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT I HAVE ADDED TO HER SINCE SHE'S COME BOARD THE MEETING.

HOW LONG HAS SHE BEEN WITH YOU? MRS. BELINDA'S BEEN WITH ME FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.

SHE'S BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR THREE YEARS.

SIX MONTHS AND I CAN'T JUSTIFY ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF A RAISE OR PAY CHANGE OR JOB DESCRIPTION CHANGE WHEN I HAVEN'T HAD A VERY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO LOOK AT YOU FOR AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE I START THINKING WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE, BUT IN THE YEAR AND YEAR PLUS AND BY THE TIME THE BUDGETS AND EVERYTHING COME BACK OUT, SHE'LL BE AT TWO.

SO, UM, UH, WHEN SHE CAME ON BOARD, UM, INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING TO TRY AND A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING SHOWS HER AS LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

IF YOU LOOK UP LIKE THE PHONE DIRECTORY, SHE'S ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ONLY ON OUR PAY SYSTEM AND, AND ON OUR UM, OUR BUDGETING.

DOES SHE SHOW AS IS IT JUST CLERK AND RIGHT.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I TOLD HER LAST YEAR, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE HONEST.

UM, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ENTERTAIN GOING TO THE COURT AND ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'VE, BY THE TIME WE GO TO COURT AND START DOING THOSE THINGS, YOU WILL HAVE ONLY WORKED FOR, FOR ME FOR

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UM, SHE'S JUST HIT HER THREE YEAR MARK WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THIS MONTH IN FACT.

UM, SO, AND THAT'S WHY I'D SAID THAT IF SHE DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COURT HAS SET FOR, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, CUZ I REALIZE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR ALL THE POSITIONS AND EVERYTHING THEN, UM, THAT'S WHY I PUT ON THAT MAYBE WE CAN AT LEAST GO WITH A CLERK TOO, UM, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND THAT'S REALLY HONESTLY THE ONLY CHANGE I HAVE, UH, FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.

QUESTIONS.

DOCTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I'M GOOD.

SAY I TOLD YOU I'D BE FAST.

NORMALLY I'M NOT.

HUH? YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DAY.

WELL ROBERT IS THE LAST ONE BEFORE LUNCH.

SO WE'RE GONNA BREAK AND COME BACK AT ONE O'CLOCK.

CATCH ONE, YOU KNOW, JUST YEAH, JUST TO CATCH HIM.

NO, USE RYAN.

USE RYAN, WE ARE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION HERE, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

UP NEXT IS MR. STEVE HUEY WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

COME ON, STEVE, BE ALONE.

AND IF YOU WOULD PASS THOSE OUT.

NO, UH, WHAT SHE'S PASSING OUT IS CAME UP WITH A LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AT LEAST A PARTIAL LIST.

EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, I'M COMING UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE DO.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU EVER KNEW, BUT EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO DO A REPORT TO T C E Q, UH, FOR TIER TWO REPORTS.

EVERY PRECINCT BARN HAS FUEL IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT DO THOSE REPORTS TO T C E Q EVERY YEAR TO KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE IN KEEPING THE COUNTY FROM GETTING FINED.

SO, UH, I JUST KINDA WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW AND, UH, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF ON THERE THAT WE, WE DO, AND MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT WHEN WE DO IT.

UH, BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS YEAR IS A CHANGE TO MOVE TIFFANY FROM OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST TO DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.

UH, GIVING ME TWO DEPUTIES.

TIFFANY WOULD BE OVER ADMINISTRATION AND CASEY WOULD BE OVER OPERATIONS.

AND A ALONG WITH THAT WOULD BE A $4,500 A YEAR INCREASE FOR EACH OF THEM TO BRING THE GAP BETWEEN THE DEPUTY SALARY AND MINE CLOSE TO A $15,000 GAP.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE A LITTLE OVER 20,000, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE EASY TO MOVE YEARS DOWN.

WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, I'LL DO MY BEST.

BUT MY WIFE MAY NOT LIKE IT, SO I UNDERSTAND.

UM, STEVE, SIR, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AS THE DUTIES.

I MEAN, YOU WANT THE TITLE CHANGE HERE, BUT BE KIND OF SPECIFIC.

CAUSE THAT'S A BROAD TERM WHEN YOU PUT DEPUTY IN THERE, BUT EXACTLY WHAT DO EACH ONE OF 'EM DO? WELL, I, THEY'RE BEING A DEPUTY COORDINATOR, THEY WILL EACH BE CAPABLE OF TAKING MY POSITION AND DOING EVERYTHING THAT I DO.

UH, TIFFANY'S UNDER ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE DOING WORK ON THE BUDGET ALONG WITH ME.

UH, SHE WOULD BE HANDLING A LOT OF THE, UH, INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

SAME THING.

IN OTHER WORDS, SAME THING SHE'S DOING NOW, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

UH, THERE'LL BE A FEW ADDITIONS TO IT.

TO KEEP THEM UP AND RUNNING.

AND OF COURSE, CASEY'S IS GONNA BE THE SAME EXCEPT HE WON'T BE DOING A LOT OF THE COMPUTER WORK.

HE'LL BE DOING MORE OF THE HANDS-ON OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, OVER THE YEARS, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SEVERAL GENERATORS THAT WE USE FOR DISASTERS AND SUCH AS THAT.

AND THEY'RE QUITE OLD NOW.

AND, UH, SINCE CASEY'S COME ON BOARD, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO GET 'EM ALL BACK UP AND RUNNING AND KEEPS THEM CLEANED AND CHECKED OUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK.

SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

HE'S MANAGING OUR TRAILERS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN NOW

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HOW MANY TRAILER, HOW MANY TRAILERS? WE HAVE? WE GOT THREE RIGHT NOW.

THREE.

ONE OF 'EM IS AN EMERGENCY OPERATION SUPPORT TRAILER.

AND THEN THE NEWEST ONE IS RADIOS AND COMPUTERS AND EVERYTHING IN IT OR WHAT? IT'S, WHAT DOES IT HAVE? IT'S, UH, PART OF THE REGIONAL RESPONSE AND IT'S GOT STUFF TO ENHANCE AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER OR SET ONE UP IN THE FIELD IF NECESSARY.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN IT? I'M IN WHAT'S IN IT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT WHAT IT IS.

UH, IT'S GOT, UH, IT'S 316 SQUARE FOOT AIR INFLATABLE SHELTER WITH AIR CONDITIONER AND DUCT WORK.

IT'S GOT A GENERATOR TO POWER LIGHTS AND COMPUTERS AND SUCH.

IT'S GOT POP-UP MONITORS, UH, SUCH AS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE E O C.

IT'S, UH, IT'S GOT AND MONITOR MOUNT ON THE WALL.

IT'S GOT A CONSOLE OR SOMETHING.

THERE'RE IN CASES THAT IT RAISES UP OUT OF THE CASE.

IT'S ALL BUILT INTO ROAD CASES AND PORTABLE.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE PLOTTERS AND PRINTERS AND THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK VESTS.

UH, HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU USE IT THIS YEAR? WE'VE, WE'VE USED IT A TOTAL OF FOUR TIMES.

SINCE YOU'VE HAD IT.

SINCE WE'VE HAD IT.

UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC WORKS EMERGENCY RESPONSE TRAILER WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, WHICH WILL HAVE BARRICADES, CONES, UM, SIGNAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR DISASTERS TO, YOU KNOW, CORDING OFF THE AREAS.

UM, ALONG WITH THAT, WE GOT A DYNAMIC MESSAGE BOARD TRAILER THAT CAN BE USED.

WE'VE ALREADY USED IT TWICE NOW.

UH, I USE, USE MINE TOO ALMOST EVERY DAY.

I KNOW I AIN'T BELONG TO THEM.

YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS STUFF WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE REGION AND THE REGION APPLIES FOR THE GRANT.

THEY ASKED FOR A HOST AND I STUCK UP MY HAND ON BOTH OF THOSE AND WE WERE AWARDED THE, THE UNITS AND DID ALL THE WORK ON THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, KAREN AND HER STAFF HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN MANAGING THE, THE FUNDING ON ALL OF THAT.

UM, THEN WE'VE GOT ONE TRAILER THAT IS KIND OF A SUPPORT TRAILER, HAS A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING IN IT FROM SOME CONES, SOME SIGNS TO PANDEMIC STUFF THAT WE'VE USED THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHICH IF I NEVER SEE AGAIN, I'D BE HAPPY.

UM, HOW MANY GENERATORS DO YOU HAVE TOTAL? SIX.

WE'VE GOT FOUR, 2000 AND THEN TWO 3000 THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER SUPPORT UNIT.

WE ONLY GOT ONE 30 KW IN THAT ONE.

UM, IS IT, IT'S, IS IT DIESEL? THAT'S IN DIESEL? NO, IT'S, IT'S GASOLINE.

ALL GAS.

BUT, UH, KEEPING ALL THAT STUFF RUNNING, KEEPING.

AND PART OF WHAT TIFFANY WOULD BE DOING IS TAKING ALL OF OUR COMPUTERS AND STUFF.

THE ONES THAT WE DON'T USE IS REGULAR BASIS TO TURN THEM ON, UPDATE THEM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE READY TO GO IN CASE WE ACTIVATE THE EOC.

UM, I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO, WHAT TO BRING THIS TIME BASED UPON PREVIOUS, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING BETTER PREPARED.

WELL, YOU GOT EVERYTHING HERE PRETTY MUCH IN YOUR MEMO TO US.

WELL, THE ONE THING I DID NOTICE IN HERE WHILE I WAS READING THROUGH IT, UM, MAYBE WE'VE BEEN, MAKE A MISTAKE.

NUMBER 48.

IT SAYS, DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN ANIMALS AND DISASTER RESPONSE ON PLAN.

ALSO CALLED ANIMAL COMMITTEE, ANIMAL ISSUES COMMITTEE.

SO, UH, I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE WE, WE'VE BEEN, YEAH, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE WRONG PATH WITH ANIMALS.

, THEY PUT HIM OFF THE EOC BUILDING.

IT'S IN, IT'S A DESCRIPTION RIGHT THERE.

HE MANAGES, I DON'T KNOW WHY NOT.

, PLEASE DON'T PUT ADOPTION WRONG.

WHAT'S GOING GET HIM? YOU PUT IT IN THERE.

NO, THAT'S FOR DISASTERS.

PLEASE.

WELL, THIS IS A DISASTER.

WHEREVER THE DISASTER THIS IS.

I'M HARD PRESSED TO ARGUE THAT ONE .

BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DO THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN FOR, UH, SITE 10, AS OWEN MENTIONED EARLIER, IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

BUT, UH, UH, TEXAS A AND M COLLEGE OF VETERINARY MEDICINE CAME AND RIGHT.

HELPED US DO, DO THE PLAN THAT WE'VE GOT AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME OF OUR VETERINARIANS ON BOARD TO, TO HELP OUT.

SO, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF KIND OF UPDATING EVERYTHING ON THAT NOW.

UH,

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SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW SEEMS LIKE WE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.

UH, TEDOM PERSON, SARAH HAWK.

I WAS OUR DISTRICT COORDINATOR.

AND DID AIR FLIGHT MOVE OUT YET? OR MOVE OUT, MOVE OUTTA YOUR BUILDING? NO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT SOMETIME AGO AND THE TEDOM PERSON WOULD GO IN THERE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING OH, THAT WAS ONE OFFICE AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY MOVED OUT OF IT A LONG TIME AGO.

BUT WE'VE GOT AN OFFICE FOR THE COUNTY LIAISON OFFICER.

AND THEY'RE TELLING ME NOW IT WILL BE OCTOBER OR NOT OCTOBER.

WELL, THE SEPTEMBER 1ST OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER WHEN WE GET THEM.

BUT ONE PERSON'S ALWAYS GONNA STAY THERE IN IN CARE FLIGHT RIGHT IN.

BECAUSE I WAS ON THE NINE ONE ONE CALL BOARD THE OTHER DAY, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU REALLY NEED THAT AMBULANCE PERSON IN.

CALL CENTER THE MANAGER AND THEIR SECRETARY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.

WE JUST MANAGE.

THEY GOTTA BE ABLE TO, YOU'LL MOVE OUT OF AN OFFICE.

AND THEN THERE WERE TWO.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, THEY HAD PICKED UP ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, THE OTHER OFFICE.

AND THEY'VE MOVED OUT OF IT, SO IT'S, THEY'RE JUST BACK IN THEIRS NOW.

BUT, AND THEN, SO WHEN SHE GETS HERE, WHAT'S GONNA BE HER DUTIES? THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S UP TOT THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL WORK FOR THEM, BUT, RIGHT.

UH, THAT ONE HADN'T BEEN COMPLETELY EXPLAINED TO ME.

UH, BUT THE ONE FROM ELLIS COUNTY, UH, HIS NAME'S PHIL COST AND HE HAS BEEN KINDA HELPING US OUT IN THE INTERIM UNTIL, TILL WE GET OUR OWN.

WELL THAT'D BE A GOOD HELP CUZ THEY COULD HELP US WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THING IS COMING DOWN, MAYBE FREE EQUIPMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT BE ON TOP OF THAT.

WELL, ANYTHING I GET FOR FREE, I'M TRYING TO GET IT.

ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, UH, YOUR LIST HERE.

WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAD IN MY BUDGET IS LAST YEAR I HAD 3000 IN THERE FOR ADDITIONAL HELP OR EXTRA HELP.

IT GOT TAKEN OUT AT SOME POINT AND I WANTED TO ASK IF WE COULD PUT THAT BACK IN.

UH, I'D ACTUALLY REDUCED IT FROM 15,000 THE YEAR BEFORE TO 3000.

WELL, IT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER GOT KNOCKED OUT.

AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT.

WHAT HAS THAT BEEN USED FOR IN THE PAST? WELL, IN THE PAST WE WOULD BRING SOMEBODY IN TO, UH, HELP US WITH CERTAIN PROJECTS.

IF WE WERE GOING OUT AND DOING PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM TO NOTIFY PEOPLE ABOUT SOMETHING, WE COULD PAY SOMEBODY A LITTLE, A LITTLE MONEY TO GO HELP US.

AND INSTEAD OF SOLELY DEPENDING ON JUST BE SOMEONE, I MEAN, TO DO THAT, THAT PERSON WOULD'VE TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO.

SO HOW DO YOU FIND THAT PERSON? OR WOULD YOU NOT USE TWO OF YOUR OWN STAFF TO DO THAT? WELL, MY OWN STAFF WOULD BE DOING IT ALSO.

BUT THIS IS MORE LIKE, ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE WHEN CASEY'S MOVING THESE GENERATORS TO GET, TAKE 'EM TO GET, BE REPAIRED.

IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT COULD COME IN FOR A FEW HOURS AND HELP HIM DO THE HEAVY LIFTING TO MOVE THE GENERATORS AND SO FORTH.

UM, IT MAY BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP ON A OCCASION WHEN WE HAVE TO DEPLOY ONE OF THESE TRAILERS TO COME IN AND HELP, YOU KNOW, SET UP AN EOC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU, WHERE WOULD YOU GET THIS EXTRA HELP FROM? I WOULD PROBABLY GO TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE USUALLY FIREMEN ARE PRETTY WELL UP ON WHAT WE DO ANYWAY.

AND, UH, THAT'S VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT OR REGULAR FIRE PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEER AND SAY, HEY, DOES ANYBODY WANT SOME EXTRA HELP MONEY? CAUSE THAT'S ALREADY, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR BUDGET FOR FIREMEN OFF DUTY? IT WAS CUT OUT.

IT WAS CUT OUT.

AND THAT'S WHY HE IS SAYING IT DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THAT, IN THE BUDGET.

YOU JUST WANNA PUT 3000 IN THERE FOR THOUGH, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND HAD EXTRA UP HAD 15,525 IS WHAT YOU HAD IN THERE TWO YEARS AGO.

WELL, THAT'S THIS YEAR'S BUDGET I'M LOOKING AT.

I WAS GONNA SAY I LOOKED LIKE IT.

I DON'T HAVE 15,000 FOR EXTRA HELP.

THERE'S TWO BLUE VACANTS IN HERE FOR EXTRA HELP.

I SEE THAT.

WHERE'S THAT AT SIR? ON THE PAY SHEET.

LOOKING ON MY SHEET, MY PAY SHEET HERE.

, YOU GOT EXTRA HELP IN THERE ALREADY? I DO.

PARDON TO THIS.

YOU DO.

IS THAT RIGHT? SORRY.

YEAH, IF I'M READING.

WELL, BRAND EXTRA HELP IS IN HERE.

BRANDY SAID YES.

HUH? IT'S INCLUDED IN THE $204,000.

IS THAT IT'S IN THERE.

I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH WE PUT IN THERE, BUT $15,525.

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IT'S IN YOUR PAYROLL LINE ITEM.

PAYROLL LINE ITEM.

IN THE LINE ITEM.

IT'S BUILT IN THAT LINE ITEM.

THAT $15,000 EVERY POSITION IN ONE LINE ITEM.

WE DON'T SEPARATE OUT.

THAT WAS WHY YOU WERE ABLE TO HIRE CASEY AT PART-TIME.

HE WAS ONCE PAID FROM THAT BILL CASE.

WELL, AND THE CURRENT BUDGET, I'D ASKED TO DROP THAT TO 3000 BECAUSE CASEY WAS FULL-TIME.

SO, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I'M CONFUSED, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL.

WE'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY TALKING TO YOU.

YEAH, WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA FIX IT.

WE'RE GONNA FIX IT.

BRANDY, I ALREADY TOOK A NOTE.

DID YOU TAKE A NOTE? YEAH.

YOU LOST $12,000 A DAY.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

AND, UH, UNDER OPERATIONAL SUPPLIES, I WANTED TO INCREASE THAT BY 1500.

IT HAD BEEN REDUCED BY 2,500, UH, LAST YEAR.

GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACK IN THERE.

PARTS AND REPAIRS, I INCREASED IT BY 500 BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THIS YEAR ON PARTS AND REPAIRS.

THOSE GENERATORS ARE GETTING OLD AND WE NEED HAD TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE ON THERE.

AND I MAY YOU TALKING ABOUT GENERATORS ONE MORE TIME THAT NOW BUY DIESEL ONES.

I WILL.

WE DON'T NEED GAS ONES BECAUSE THEY DON'T LAST YEARS.

WELL, DIESEL, DIESEL, IT CAN SIT OUT THERE AND BARN FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AND YOU GO OUT THERE AND CRANK IT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OTHER THING DOES THAT'S BUTANE.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOT LONG, IT'S GOT A WATER SEPARATOR ON THERE.

IT'S GOOD.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, THE FUEL DON'T, IT DOESN'T GO BAD.

DOESN'T GEL LIKE GASOLINE.

AND THE FUEL THEY MAKE NOW IS JUST SO NASTY.

THE GAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT.

I KNOW THAT I WILL DO THAT.

SO LET'S, LET'S, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER SPEND A FEW MORE BUCKS AND NOT HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM LIKE YOU DO A GAS ONE.

AND I ADDED, ASKED FOR 1500 MORE IN MY GAS AND OIL BUDGET BECAUSE IN, IN MOVING TIFFANY TO A DEPUTY, AND EVEN IF WE DON'T, I WANT HER TO BE ON CALL.

AND SO SHE WOULD NEED A VEHICLE.

AND UH, I THINK WITH $1,500 WE CAN MANAGE THE, THE FUEL AND OIL FOR THAT.

YOU HAVE THREE VEHICLES? TWO, NOW I'M ASK, I'VE ALREADY ASKED ZELLE AND THEM FOR, FOR A THIRD.

SO ON A LEASE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER LEASE VEHICLE? YES, SIR.

AND DOES THE LEASE VEHICLE COME OUT OF THIS, UH, HIS LINE ITEM WE'RE, I'M WAITING ON A REPORT FROM PURCHASING SO I CAN SEPARATE 'EM ALL OUT.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF IT, IF IF WE JUST PAY ONE GENERAL AMOUNT OVER HERE FOR LEASE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING ARE THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS BUDGET IS.

YOU KNOW, BUDGETS UNDER LEASE PAYMENTS, IT'S SOMETHING.

I'M SO WILLING TO SEE IT ON HERE.

PLEASE DON'T PUT 'EM ALL UNDER MY BUDGET.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH ANYBODY'S VEHICLES ANYMORE.

SEEMS LIKE TO ME.

I DON'T, AM I, AM I NOT? AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THAT WAY? I, IT'S NOT STANDARDIZED EITHER.

THE SHERIFF CAN GET A VEHICLE AND HE PUTS JUST THE EQUIPMENT HE NEEDS AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE WILL GO GET ONE AND THERE ADD-ONS COST MORE THAN ACTUAL VEHICLE.

I KNOW.

WE NEED TO STANDARDIZE THAT SOMEHOW.

NOW THAT NEEDS TO BE STANDARDIZED.

THEY DON'T NEED ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES.

I AGREE.

WHAT ELSE MR. STEVE? THAT IS IT.

THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT I'D ASKED FOR IN, IN THE BUDGET MEMO.

TOTAL IMPACT IS AN INCREASE OF $26,470.

WELL IT WAS.

HUH? IT'S ONLY 14,000 NOW.

WELL, YEAH, IF YOU'RE TAKING A BABY.

YOU DID A GOOD JOB TODAY.

YOU COME IN AND LORD IT AND WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK YOU.

WELL, I'M TRYING TO DO RIGHT.

, YOU ARE OKAY.

EVEN IF I DON'T KNOW IT.

THANK YOU SIR.

WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU, YOU LATER WE THANK YOU SO SERIOUS.

ALSO, HE ASKED FOR FOUR CELL PHONE ALLOWANCES AND WE'VE ONLY BUDGETED FOR THREE.

CUZ THAT'S ALL WE HAD.

THAT GONNA BE FOUR.

SO HE ADDS THAT NEW PERSON PART-TIME.

NO PART-TIME.

YOU KNOW, I WISH, I WISH WE'D GO BACK TO THE WAY WHEN I FIRST STARTED THAT AND J WAS COMMISSIONER AND WE GOT RID OF ALL THE CELL PHONES.

WE SHOULD JUST, EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED TO CARRY TWO THAT ACTUALLY HAS A COUNTY PHONE, THEN THEY CAN PAY FOR THE COUNTY PHONE.

EVERYBODY ELSE JUST ON THE CELL PHONE QUIT PAYING.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? QUIT TRYING TO EVEN KEEP UP WITH, EVERYBODY OWNS A CELL PHONE, UNLIMITED TIME AND MONEY.

JUST ADD THAT INTO THEIR SALARY.

MOVE ON.

I'D DO A STIPEND.

DON'T MIND.

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IT'S OKAY TO CALL RON.

I WILL.

UH, NATHAN IS OUT SIX, SO IF YOU GOT ANY IT PROBLEMS CALL ONE OF THE OTHER GUYS.

JUST GOT A TEXT FROM HIM.

I'LL CALL RHONDA.

WELL, UH, SHE'S GONNA CALL CAUSE SANDY'S AFTER RHONDA.

SANDY'S HERE SAYS CALL ANYWAY.

NO, ANDY'S AFTER VANESSA.

YOU'RE AT TWO O'CLOCK.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

SAID THAT.

FIGURED THERE'D BE AN OPEN SPOT HERE.

I'M TRYING TO GET YOU IN NOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKE.

SHE HAS 20 MINUTES.

I DON'T HAVE RHONDA'S NUMBER.

COME ON IN MY PHONE.

COME ON UP HERE AND YEAH, LET'S TEXT HER AND TELL HER IN 20 MINUTES.

WE'LL CALL HER PLEASE.

BECAUSE WE, WE'LL JUST TAKE HER NOW.

SHE'S HERE.

CAN LET ME SEE WHAT PAGE YOU'RE ON HERE.

IT'S OUR DECISION TO PUT ON, UH, PAGE 40, I THINK 40 40 THROUGH ABOUT PAGE 80.

THAT'S WHERE I QUIT LOOKING FOR MINE SO BAD.

SHE GETS ON THE SCREEN REALLY QUICK THEN.

ALL GOOD.

JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN Y'ALL LIKE RIGHT ON MINE.

WELL I WON'T SAY THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, BUT ENOUGH OF THE ENCHILADA, UNFORTUNATELY COURTESY OF THE 2023 LEGISLATURE THAT WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH.

I WILL SAY THAT Y'ALL THERE.

YOU READY? READY.

WE'RE READY.

ALL RIGHTY.

THE MAJORITY OF THE INCREASES I'VE ASKED FOR ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE 2023 LEGISLATURE.

UH, THERE WERE 22 BILLS PLACED ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK FROM THIS INITIAL SESSION.

THAT AFFECTS US, OUR FORMS, OUR PRINTING, THOSE FORMS, APPLICATIONS, THOSE ARE ALL CHANGING.

SO WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY REPRINT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.

UM, THAT AFFECTS OUR BALLOT BY MAIL APPLICATIONS, UM, STATEMENT, RESIDENCE CARDS, CONFIRMATION CARDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OF THOSE 22 BILLS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE GOVERNOR, HE'S ONLY VETOED ONE.

HE'S SIGNED 16, WE STILL HAVE FIVE.

HE MAY SIGN.

WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODWORK YET.

WITH SB NINE 90, WE ANTICIPATE THREE SPECIAL SESSIONS JUST FOR ELECTIONS.

AND THOSE WILL BE CALLED SHORTLY.

SO OVERALL, THE BULK OF OUR INCREASE IS GONNA COME FROM PRINTING, UM, BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES.

THOSE ARE THE BULK OF OUR INCREASES.

UM, SO WHERE IS IT ON YOUR, UH, REQUEST HERE FOR THE MONIES FOR THAT? YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEM IN THE LINE ITEM FOR BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES, WHICH IS 31 0 7.

YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN PRINTING ALSO GOT 19,200.

THAT'S WELL 31 0 7.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES? BALLOT SUPPLIES AND PRINTING.

YES MA'AM.

THAT'S AT 125,000, CORRECT? YEP.

THERE IT IS.

THAT'S 31 0 2.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING INTO A PRIMARY YEAR.

SO WE DO ANTICIPATE AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF BALLOT BY MAIL REQUESTS.

UM, AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE TO GO OUT WITH THOSE ASSOCIATED REQUESTS, AS WELL AS THE TRAINING CLASSES THAT HAVE TO BE HELD FOR PRIMARY AND PRIMARY RUNOFF ELECTIONS.

UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD EIGHTY FIVE THOUSAND EIGHTY TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED.

QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.

SO FAR YOU ONLY SPENT 6,200.

CAN SOME BE PURCHASED OUTTA LAST YEAR'S OR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? BEFORE WE WENT TO DO IT FOR NEXT YEAR, WE PUT SOME PADDING IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE HAS NOT RELEASED THE FORM, THE UPDATED FORMS YET.

BECAUSE OF THE PENDING SPECIAL SESSIONS THAT CAN STILL MAKE ADJUSTMENT TO THESE FORMS. DO THEY SAY THAT ALL THESE FORMS HAVE TO BE THIS YEAR? OR DO THEY THESE THE BULK OF WHAT WE'RE CHANGING NOW WILL TAKE EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST.

SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY PUT THIS, BUT THEY SAY OKAY, IT WILL TAKE PLACE IN 24 OR 25.

NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER 1ST.

CURRENT.

THIS HAS TO BE IN, EVERYTHING HERE HAS TO BE IN 23.

SO DO WE HAVE A A OFF OF, WE NORMALLY HAVE YEARS AGO A CUTOFF FOR ANY MAJOR PURCHASES FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

WE LIKE TO ASK THEM, STOP IT LIKE THE SECOND WEEK OF AUGUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE THE PRODUCT OR THE SERVICE BY NINE 30 OR IT MAKES ME PUT IT IN A NEW BUDGET.

I CAN'T GO BACK INTO IT.

YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION? HOPEFULLY BEFORE THEN.

WE HOPE TO.

UM, ADDITIONALLY FOR BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES, WE'VE KIND OF SKIMMED DOWN.

UM, THIS ONE, IT WAS PULLED IN MARCH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE LAST FIGURES YOU HAVE ON HERE WAS MARCH 31ST.

WE SHOULD HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THERE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TRIED TO SCRIMP AND SAVE.

WE HAVE HAD EXPENSES FOR THAT MAY ELECTION THAT HAVE POSTED SINCE THAT DATE.

SO THAT FULL AMOUNT IS NOT SITTING THERE.

LIKE YOU THINK

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WE DIDN'T REALLY FILL A POSITION THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE BECAUSE A, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE CURRENTLY OR THE FURNITURE.

WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING FURNITURE, GETTING THAT POSTED SO WE CAN GET THEM IN.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO SAVE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET OVERALL TO HELP COMPENSATE.

WE HAVE REQUESTED SOME LINE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE LARGER AMOUNTS LEFT OVER IN THAT THEY BE CARRIED OVER NEXT YEAR.

IS THIS WITH ESS? CORRECT.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A QUOTE? I HAVE FINANCE IT FOR US.

I HAD THREE QUOTES THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU ON THE 19TH.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE THE CHOICE OF THE COURT AS TO WHETHER WE GO WITH THE FULL 100 THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR BALLOT MARKING DEVICES BY.

THEY ALSO GAVE ME AN OPTION FOR 50 OR 75.

THE COST OF PURCHASE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE COST OF RENTAL.

YEAH, I INCLUDED THAT IN THE, IN THE, YOUR INFORMATION.

AND I HAVE THOSE THREE QUOTES.

WELL, OKAY.

WHY I'M ASKING IS WE SPENT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEY FINANCED IT FOR US AT LESS THAN 1%.

REMEMBER THAT? MM-HMM.

POINT NINE NINE OR NINE FIVE.

AND WE DID IT OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.

AND IF THEY WOULD DO THAT, THEN Y'ALL COULD APPROVE IT AND WE COULD FIND OUT WHAT THE IN INTEREST RATE'S GONNA BE HIGHER.

OF COURSE IT IS.

I BELIEVE IT'S AT 4%, BUT IT'S OKAY.

GOOD JOB.

SO I IF IT'S WITHIN, THEY'VE DONE IT BEFORE, SO, AND, AND WE PAID THEM BEFORE THE DATE THAT IT WAS DUE, SO WE GOT GOOD CREDIT WITH 'EM.

IT MIGHT SAVE A LITTLE BIT TO HELP US OUT.

YEAH, SURE.

THEY'VE, THEY'VE ASKED, UM, THEY ACTUALLY APPROVED US OVER A FOUR YEAR TERM FOR EITHER THE 50 OR THE 100 AT THE 4%.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU.

WELL, PART OF THE ISSUE WAS IS WHEN WE HAD THE COVID, SHE HAD, WE HAD BOUGHT ALL THOSE NEW COMPUTERS WHEN MS SAMPLES WAS OVER ELECTIONS AND DIDN'T IT BORROWED 'EM AND PASSED THEM OUT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK FROM HOME THAT DIDN'T HAVE LAPTOPS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THINGS DON'T GET TAKEN CARE OF LIKE THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ISSUE.

SO 50 IS A MINIMUM THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED A HUNDRED REALISTICALLY IS THE MINIMUM OF WHAT THIS COUNTY NEEDS BASED ON ITS GROWTH.

50 WOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM AND THAT WOULD STILL BE US PIECEMEALING HERE AND THERE.

UM, AND ADDITIONALLY THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY, WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS COUNTY, TYPICALLY YOU HAVE FIVE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS.

WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE SIX, POTENTIALLY SEVEN PENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE COURT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION IN THE FORNEY AREA OR ON THE CUSP OF THE FORNEY AREA IN DISTRICT ONE AND AN ADDITIONAL ONE IN DISTRICT THREE NEAR THE TARRELL AREA BECAUSE THE SUB COURT HOUSE DOES GET EXTREMELY LONG LINES AS DOES THE FORNEY SUB COURT HOUSE.

THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL DEAL WE HAD 'EM WRAPPED AROUND DOWN THE STREET.

IT'S PRETTY BAD.

AND JUST, I MEAN, BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM'S GOING TO BE IS JUST FINDING THAT PLACE THAT CAN BE OPEN 50, UH, LITTLE RUN A LITTLE UNDER 60,000 WOULD BE A YEAR.

UH, THE 75 IS, HE ONLY QUOTED THE 50 AND THE 100 FOR THE FOUR YEAR.

THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

THAT ONE'S A STRICT PAYOUT.

75 IS, IS NO, HE ONLY QUOTED THE 50 AND THE 100 IS THAT FOUR YEAR TERMS. AND IF YOU GET THE HUNDRED, IT'S FOUR YEARS AT A 114,000 AND WE WERE PAYING 279,000 A YEAR.

A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.

WELL, WE PAID IT.

WE PAID IT OFF IN THREE YEARS THOUGH.

WE PAID IT OFF.

WE DID IT THAT WAY.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE MACHINES? YOU HAVE THE MACHINES WE HAVE, WE ARE STILL UTILIZING, WE HAVE A OKAY.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IF WE GET THE NEW ONES? WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH THE OLD ONES? WE ARE STILL UTILIZING THOSE.

THIS IS ADDING TWO.

IT'S ADDING THAT MANY, JUST ADDING TWO.

UM, THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY BALLOT, YOU PARTIES ARE SPLIT, BUT THE BALLOTS ARE STILL VERY LARGE.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL TYPICALLY ADD PROPOSITIONS TO THEIR BALLOTS.

SO THAT'S OUR ANTICIPATION MOVING FORWARD.

EACH PERSON'S PROBABLY GONNA SPEND FIVE TO SIX MINUTES IN THAT VOTING BOOTH.

SO WE HAVE TO EQUATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THIS COUNTY, HOW MANY ARE GONNA VOTE EARLY, AND THEN HOW DO WE BREAK THAT DOWN TO HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE EFFECTIVELY PROCESS PER HOUR.

AND I'M UNFORTUNATELY OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN.

WELL, IT'S FORTUNATE, BUT YEAH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS YOU NEED TO FACILITATE THAT.

SO WE'RE SITTING JUST UNDER 97,000

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TODAY.

ABOUT 96,574 IS WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE THIS MORNING FOR REGISTERED VOTERS.

MM.

SO EQUIPMENT IS KIND OF, UM, A NECESSITY AND PURCHASE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN LEASING BECAUSE THE RENTAL OF THE EQUIPMENT IS 75% OF ITS PURCHASE PRICE.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE PER ELECTION.

IT'D BE BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE A HUNDRED THAT WE'VE RECOVERED.

WHICH IS THE PRICE.

SO WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? I'D DO THE HUNDRED.

MAKE THE NOTE OF THAT.

WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? YES, I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

WOULD YOU STILL NEED THE ONES YOU HAVE? YES.

THE ONES WE HAVE ARE STILL THERE.

ARE THEY PAID FOR? ARE WE THROUGH PAINT ON THOSE OR NOT? OH YEAH, I PAID 'EM OFF.

I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD BE PASSED ON TO IT SINCE IT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY EVEN PAID FOR IT.

IF SHE DIDN'T, NOW EVENTUALLY OUR LAPTOPS WILL BE ABLE TO SHIFT TO IT WHEN THEY BECOME OBSOLETE.

UM, BUT CURRENTLY WE'RE STICKING WITH THAT LAPTOP PULL BOOK CHECK-IN METHOD, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE PRIMARY BECAUSE IT DOES PROVIDE THAT VOTER SIGNATURE ON THE LABEL.

SO IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY RATHER THAN SHIFTING EVERYBODY TO AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM AHEAD OF A BUSY ELECTION LIKE THAT.

I WAS JUST THINKING IT'D KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO COME GET HERS WITH THE SPECIAL PROGRAMMING AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE USE THEM.

YOU WOULD HAVE SOME EXTRAS.

JUST A THOUGHT.

WHAT ELSE? UM, OUR ELECTION SOFTWARE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPGRADE OUR VOTER REGISTRATION SYSTEM, OUR CURRENT SYSTEM THROUGH, UM, VO-TECH, WHICH IS VMAX.

IT IS REACHING ITS END OF LIFE.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME OUT WITH A 2.0 VERSION THAT THEY WILL BE ROLLING OUT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

SO IT'S JUST A CONVERSION OVER INTO THAT SOFTWARE.

AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THAT SOFTWARE FUNCTIONS.

IT'S PENDING CHANGING ANYTHING MAJOR.

AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE STATE TO HOST A STATEWIDE VOTER REGISTRATION SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE A BRAND NEW SYSTEM UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THIS LEGISLATURE IS ABOUT.

BUT WE DO NEED TO DO THE CONVERSION TO THE NEW SOFTWARE THAT WILL BE SUPPORTED.

THEY'RE TELLING US THAT THAT SOFTWARE CONVERSION SHOULD REMAIN AT WHAT OUR CURRENT CONTRACT IS, WHICH IS THE 40,000 IS WHAT WE PAY ANNUALLY FOR MAINTENANCE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ABOUT A $12,000 CONVERSION PROCESS TO GET US OFF OF THE OLD SYSTEM, WHICH IS SERVER-BASED AND INTO THE WEB SYSTEM, WHICH IS CLOUD-BASED.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET AN ADDITIONAL 12,000.

AND YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY HAVE A LEGISLATOR, THEY WANT TO CHANGE WAY YOU VOTE AND YEAH.

KINDA EQUIPMENT USING SOFTWARE YOU USE AND, WELL, AND WE LUCKED OUT TH THERE WAS HOUSE BILL 31 59 THAT WAS MAKING THE CHANGE TO WHERE YOU HAD TO HAVE AN ELECTRONICALLY ACCESSIBLE SYSTEM FOR MAIL BALLOTS.

WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GET LUCKY FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS GRANT APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

BUT THE GOVERNOR HAS VETOED THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THAT LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE.

BUT CURRENTLY THAT REQUIREMENT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE FUNDING FOR BASED ON THE, THE GRANT.

WELL WE'RE LUCKY THEY DIDN'T GO TO ALL PAPER AGAIN.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODWORK ON THAT YET.

HUH.

AGAIN, THAT SB NINE 90, NOT DEAD BY ANY MEANS.

THROW OUT THE BOAT CENTERS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW I CORRECT.

UM, THE ONLY REQUEST I'VE MADE FOR PERSONNEL CHANGES WAS THE ADDITION OF A PART-TIME PERSONNEL THAT WOULD GIVE US TWO PART-TIMERS NEXT YEAR AS WE WORKED THROUGH THAT PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY WAS THAT, MS. RANDY, CAN YOU GIMME THE PERSONNEL COST? CUZ WE GAVE THEM THE SPREADSHEET, SO I'M NOT SURE ON THAT THAT HOW MUCH OF EXTRA HELP SHE WAS WANTING.

IF WE ADDED A PART IN PERSON RIGHT NOW IN THE SPREADSHEET, WE JUST KIND OF HAVE A BUCKET.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN CALCULATED WISE.

WAS YOUR SECOND EXTRA HELP THE SAME AS YOUR FIRST EXTRA HELP? YES.

DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF EXTRA HELP IN THERE? THAT EXTRA HELP'S GOT THE BUCKET OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND OVERTIME.

YEAH, THERE'S ONE SITTING THERE ALL TIME WE BROKEN DOWN SOMEHOW.

YEAH, WE HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN, WHICH WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT FOR YOU OR SHE COULD SEND IT TO US, SEND IT TO YOU TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, DON'T SEND ME THE PERSONNEL ONE.

I CAN DO THAT.

OWN POSTAGE METER MACHINE.

WHAT ELSE MS. ANDY? I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THE ONLY OTHER MAJOR REQUEST OUR DEPARTMENT HAD WAS THE DISCUSSION OF ADDING OUR

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UH, WE GOT THE QUOTE FROM, UH, O O C O P OR PITNEY BOWES ON THAT.

LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA RUN US ABOUT $3,100.

BUT THAT WOULD KEEP US FROM TRANSPORTING OUR MAIL FROM IN-HOUSE TO THE JUSTICE CENTER, METERING IT THERE, BRINGING IT BACK, THEN GOING BACK TO THE POST OFFICE.

IT JUST KEEPS OUR BALLOT CENTRALIZED.

POST'S NOT GONNA CHANGE, BUT JUST TO BUY THE MACHINE.

ABSOLUTELY.

OR YOU DON'T BUY OR LEASE.

I BELIEVE THEY DID A LEASE.

IT'D BE ABOUT 3,200 A YEAR.

THAT WAS THE LAST QUOTE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM PURCHASING.

SO WHICH WAS IT TO BUY IT THAT I, WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND NINE OR NINE OR $10,000 FOR FOUR PURCHASE.

THREE YEARS BOUGHT IT.

SO MAYBE CHEAPER JUST TO BUY IN THE LONG RUN.

DOUBLE CHECK THOSE FIGURES AND OKAY.

GIVE IT TO MS. KAREN SO WE CAN LOOK AT ABSOLUTELY.

USED TO THE COUNTY.

THAT GOT TO BE OUR SIZE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'D CHANGED THE EQUIPMENT, THEY COULD SELL ALL THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT.

BUT NOW, WELL THE GOOD NEWS IS AS FAR AS MAIL GOES ALLOWED BE USED THERE, THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF MAIL FOR US.

WE'RE PROCESSING 2,600 NOTICES JUST TODAY FROM OUR NCO A PROCESS THAT WE'VE DONE.

NO SHORTAGE OF MAIL FOR US.

THAT IT, UM, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU GENTLEMEN.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M SURE WE WILL AND WE'LL MEET AGAIN BEFORE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

JUST KIND OR STEPPING STONE HERE, I GUESS.

I GUESS THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES COME OVER THERE, WE PAY THEM OVER, I PAY THEIR OVERTIME AND THAT'S REIMBURSED THROUGH THE ELECTION, THE CONTRACTING ENTITIES.

IN 2022, OUR DON'T WE PAY 'EM? I MEAN WE WRITE OUT A SEPARATE CHECK FORM.

IT COMES OUT OF THE ELECTIONS FUNDS.

THE COUNTY ONLY ENDED UP EXPENDING A HUNDRED ELEVEN, NINE FORTY THREE FOR THOSE ELECTIONS.

SO YOU PAY 'EM TIME AND A HALF TO BE THERE.

I DO.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, IN 2022, CONTRACT DEBT ELECTION TOTALS WERE $433,713 OF THAT PARTICIPATING ENTITIES, MEANING NOT THE COUNTY'S PORTION WAS 267.

8 0 8.

AND IN 2023 WE WERE SET AT 360 1 FOR THE THREE CONTRACTED ELECTIONS AND THE ENTITY'S PORTION WAS 2 55.

SO THE COUNTY ENDED UP BEING 1 28.

WELL, LET'S GET MR. RHONDA, SHE SIGNED UP FOR THIS TIME.

WE DON'T WANT TO, SHE TEXT, I TEXT HER AND SHE SAID THAT ANNABELLE'S SUPPOSED TO CALL HER AND I SAID, WELL, THE COUNTY JUDGE TOLD ME TO TELL YOU YOU HAD 20 MINUTES TO GET .

SHE SAID.

OH WAIT, , SHE COMING? YEAH.

OH, WELL IF SHE'S ON HER WAY, WE'LL WAIT JUST A MINUTE.

AND THEN VANESSA WILL GET YOU NEXT.

SHE OUGHT TO BE GETTING CLOSER.

YOU GOT, DID YOU GET THE WORD? DID YOU YES, MA UH, OKAY.

ABOUT, UH, THE REST OF THE WEEK AT THE BUILDING.

YES MA'AM.

AND I ARE, YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY ALREADY.

I CAN DOWN AND PUT THE HOUSE TRAILER THERE.

PORTABLE BUILDING.

ALRIGHT, WELL ARE YOU READY FOR US OR NOT? OKAY.

I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON SPEAKER.

SHE SAID Y'ALL HAD A SYSTEM WHERE Y'ALL HAD TO CALL.

WELL, , THIS IS IT.

THIS IS IT.

IT TOLD ME TO DO IT.

WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON FOR MS. RHONDA? 30? SHE IS ON PAGE 31.

31.

YOUR SCREEN THERE.

I THINK SHE DON'T HAVE IT.

YEAH, IT'S, WELL, I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.

NO, NOT IN FRONT OF, NOT DOWN.

OH, THAT ONE.

I STILL CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.

I LIKE PAPER.

SORRY.

TAKE THE NOTES.

THE ELDER DID ELECTRONICS HERE.

JUST WATCH, WATCH, WATCH.

OKAY, MS. RHONDA, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS MY RECEIPT.

UP OKAY WITH THAT, WITH, WITH ALL OUR PASSPORT FOLKS COMING IN ALSO.

ON, UH, MY FIRST ITEM, THE SALARY AND ALLOWANCES, I'M ASKING FOR FOUR NEW POSITIONS.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE FOR THE SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THE NEW QUARTER.

IT HAS BEEN APPROVED UHHUH.

WITHOUT IT, MY OFFICE CANNOT KEEP UP.

WOULD THIS BE THE SAME TYPE POSITION THAT YOU HAVE NOW FOR, UH, THE TWO DISTRICT COURTS? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

UH, CRIMINAL, CIVIL, UH, FAMILY.

AND THEN IT'S GONNA TAKE TWO OF MY CRIMINAL AS WE CAN, WE KNOW FROM OUR LAST EPISODE WAS , SO IN ORDER TO KEEP

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AND SO I'M ASKING, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR THE NEW POSITIONS FOR THAT AND THE BENEFITS.

AND THEN I ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN OUR, UH, OFFICE SUPPLIES, UHHUH, AND THAT'S FOR OUR INK, UH, CARTRIDGES AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S GONNA TAKE ON FOR THE NEW POSITIONS.

UH, FOR ALL THEIR SUPPLIES THAT WE'LL NEED FOR THAT.

AND I'M ALSO ALSO ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN MY MEALS, MILES AND LODGING.

UH, AN INCREASE FOR THAT FOR TRAINING.

AND, UH, ALSO, OKAY, SO I THINK LAST YEAR ON MY MEALS, MILES AND LODGES, UM, IT WAS 4,500.

UH, THIS YEAR I'M ASKING FOR 5,000.

AND THEN ON THE OFFICE SUPPLIES, I'M ASKING FOR 25,000.

I THINK LAST YEAR WAS 23.

THOUSAND AND MY TRAINING, EDUCATION AND CONFERENCE.

I'M ASKING FOR, UH, TO GO UP 500 MORE ON THAT, WHICH WOULD BE 2,500.

AND MY COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, UH, I'M ASKING FOR AN INCREASE FOR WORKSTATIONS AND, UH, PRINTERS, SCANNERS, AND, UH, LAPTOPS.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT INCREASE.

NOW YOU, UH, YOU HAVE FEES INCREASE ON HERE.

WHAT IS THAT FOR? WHERE'S THAT AT? UH, RIGHT AFTER YOUR, UH, INCREASE IN SUPPLIES AND YOU HAVE FEES INCREASE, UH, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT INCREASING THE FEE FOR PASSPORTS AGAIN? NO.

I, I HAVE, UH, OKAY.

THE SUPPLIES, MILLS AND LEDGE AND TRAINING AND I HAVE DUE AND I HAVE, UH, THE VERY BOTTOM.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON MINE.

THAT'S, WELL, YOU'VE GOT LINE 43 0 2, YOU GOT FEES INCREASED UHHUH 43 0 2.

THAT'S MILES AND LODGING.

IT'S GOT FEES INCREASE TWO.

BILLS, MILES AND LODGING.

I DON'T SEE FEE.

IT'S ON THE VERY BOTTOM.

SKE TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE SHEET DOWN.

S***T THE VERY BOTTOM.

INCREASE THE SUPPLIES, THE VERY NEXT LINE THERE.

SEE IT.

GIVE HIM SOME GLASSES.

AND THE SKIN'S A PROBLEM.

WHAT ELSE? IS THAT ALL FOR YOU? UH, NO.

UH, I GUESS I, I'D SAY NO.

I'M ASKING FOR AN INCREASE ON THE JURY FUND.

I KNOW, UH, KAREN, I HADN'T TALKED TO HER, BUT I KNOW SHE'S AWARE OF THE INCREASE IN THE JURY.

BUT THAT'S, UH, FUND 10.

WHERE FOR THE FIRST DAY IS GOING FROM, UH, 10 TO 21ST DAY OF JURY GUN SERVICE, AND THEN THE .

I'M LOSING YOU, RHONDA.

MA'AM, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? HOLD ON.

LET MOVE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS.

SIT DOWN.

STAY ONE DAY.

YOU INCREASED IT BY 20.

RHONDA, I MOVED.

RHONDA, HOLD ON A SECOND.

HEAR ME? I GOT YOU.

NOW, KAREN SAID SHE INCREASED IT BY 20,000 FROM LAST YEAR.

YOU DID? YEAH.

YOU'RE STILL CUTTING OUT REAL BAD.

CALL US ON THE LANDLINE.

YEAH, YOU THERE? OKAY, I GOOD OLD LINE.

I SEE WHAT Y'ALL LOOKING AT.

BUT YEAH, SEE IT NOW LOOKING AT GOT YOU NOW.

FOR I'M SOMEWHERE.

AND IT, SHE INCREASED IT FROM 10 TO 20,000.

AND DOES SHE THINK THAT'S ENOUGH? YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH WITH ANOTHER COURT? THAT'S WHAT LAURA SAID.

THAT'S WHAT LAURA SAID, SO, OKAY.

HOPEFUL SHE KNEW THAT'S ENOUGH THAT I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE PAY ON THE JURY.

AND THEN I THINK I GOT HOLD ON MY PAGE.

THE 67 0 1, I MEAN 67 0 1.

UM, I'M GOOD ON THAT ONE.

ONLINE ITEM, UH, 43 0 2.

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IT'S, UH, FOR OUR TECHNOLOGY TRAINING.

DO YOU SEE THAT? IT'S OTHER DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURT TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S IN ANOTHER FUND.

HOLD ON.

WHICH ONE IS IT IN? UH, SHOULD START ON PAGE.

INTERESTED IN DOLLARS, NOT PAGE ONE 40 OTHER PHONES.

YOU WANT GO WHICH ONE IS IT NOW? UM, 2302, WHICH IS A 67.

AND A NEW LOAN ITEM IS .

SHE, I'M LOSING YOU AGAIN.

I'M PUT 3000 IN HER MILES.

SHE GOT 3000 IN THERE FOR THAT.

AND TRAINING IS 3,500 AND TRAINING IS 3,500.

YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

SHE HAS 3000 AND THEN 3,500.

IS THAT OKAY? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS OKAY.

PLEASE APPROVE MY, OKAY.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I NEED.

I THINK WE GOT YOU.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, UHHUH, BYE-BYE.

OUR NEXT VICTIM, IT'S CONSTABLE BROOKE, COME OFF AND VANESSA PATIENTLY WAITING.

PAGE 60.

WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE WHATEVER YOU SENT THAT'S CONFUSING.

UH, HERE WE GO.

THE ITEM ON THE SALARY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RETIREMENT.

NO CHANGE THE OFFICE SUPPLIES.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

YOU GOT ALL SUPPLIES.

YOU'RE GOING 2204 TO 2305.

JUST A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE THAN LAST YEAR.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY ORIGINAL SHEET.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE CANINE EQUIPMENT ANYMORE CUZ WE DON'T HAVE A CANINE.

THE AMMUNITION, UH, WAS 2125.

INCREASE IT TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE.

UM, PARTS AND REPAIRS.

IT WAS 74 92, INCREASE IT TO 345.

WHICH WOULD BE A QUESTION.

ARE YOUR, ARE YOUR CARS LEASED OR DO YOU OWN THEM? WE LEASE 'EM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE GETTING TWO NEW VEHICLES UHHUH THIS YEAR AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, PUT GRAPHICS ON IT.

SO I WAS CONFUSED.

SO I'VE RELEASED THEM WHY WE HAVE SUCH, SUCH PARTS AND REPAIRS ON THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT BUT THAT'S FOR YOUR GRAPHICS AND STUFF? YEAH, COST OF GRAPHICS.

GUESS AN OIL, UH, WAS 34.

LIKE I'D LIKE TO BUMP IT UP TO 36 DUE TO THE COST OF, UH, THE GAS PRICES.

MILL AND LODGING.

KEEP THAT THE SAME TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

INCREASE IT $142.

IT WAS 1383.

CORRECTION, IT WAS 3000 AND WE'VE USED 1685 OUT OF IT AND WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT AT 32 24 AND THEN BONDS INCREASE IT TO $28.

AND UH, AREN'T MOST OF THOSE BONDS A HUNDRED BUCKS A BOND? YES.

COMPUTER EQUIPMENT DON'T FAINT.

UH, OKAY.

IT WAS 3,366,

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BUMP IT UP TO 31,000 BECAUSE THE WATCHGUARD IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MOTOROLA.

THE SOFTWARE IS OUT OF DATE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, GO WITH MOTOROLA FOR OUR INCAR MICS AND OUR BODY MICS FOR ALL THE CONSTABLES.

GO HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING.

WELL THE JASON WENT WITH MY SON JASON.

JASON HAS A DIFFERENT ONE, BUT HE'S GETTING TO SPLIT HIS UP AMONGST ALL OF HIS CONTRACTS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE CONTRACTS.

SO THE OTHER THREE'S HAVING TO BUY THE SYSTEMS OUTRIGHT.

AND THAT'S, UH, WE WERE GONNA GO WITH MOTOROLA BECAUSE OF, I THINK THEY'RE THE LOWEST COST, BUT IS THIS A PURCHASE? YES, BUT WATCHGUARD, UH, THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO SUPPORT THE SOFTWARE AND IT ENDS JUNE 30TH.

SO WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, IF SOMETHING BREAKS WE'RE KIND OF OUTTA LUCK.

IT'S THIS TRASH THEN.

SO, SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE MEANTIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE 30TH IS GOOD? YEAH.

I MEAN, AFTER THE 30TH OF YOUR BREAKS, WHAT DO YOU DO TILL THE, YOU GET THE OTHER EQUIPMENT? UNLESS WE CAN GET IT ORDERED LAG TIME ON THE EQUIPMENT.

IF YOU ORDER TODAY HOW LONG IT TAKES, YOU GET IT.

UNLESS EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT JASON HAS NOW, WHAT HE, HE USES AXION.

THE OTHER UH, THREE IS GOING WITH MOTOROLA.

AND THEY DO THE SAME THING.

THEY DO THE MM-HMM.

, BOBBY CAMS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

IF YOU'RE WATCHING THEM AT LAPTOP TO OTHERS TURNS ON EVERY TIME THEY PUT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER, WHAT'S THE SHERIFF'S SHERIFF RUNNING? IS HE ON MOTOROLA AS WELL? I THINK SO.

SO I THINK, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT'S OUT OF THAT.

SO I THINK JASON'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS AXON.

REST OF 'EM IS ASKING MOTOR CAUSE OF CONTRACTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR.

WHY ARE WE USING ALL THESE DIFFERENT VENDORS? I MEAN THAT Y'ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER ON THIS AND EVERYBODY GET THE SAME.

WE GET A BETTER PRICE.

I AGREE.

BETTER PRICE OF ONE AT THE, I THINK AX AXON IS MORE THAN MOTOROLA, SO, BUT HE, YEAH, BUT JASON'S BEEN ABLE TO SPREAD THAT EXPENSE ACROSS CONTRACTS.

CONTRACTS.

BUT IF, IF ALL Y'ALL GOT TOGETHER, MAYBE MOTOROLA OR AXON WOULD GIVE US A BETTER PRICE.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW.

WELL EACH INDIVIDUAL PRECINCT HAS TO HAVE THEIR OWN, WHAT IS IT? TOWER? YEAH.

TOWER IN THEIR OWN, UH, WHAT ARE THEY? THEY GOTTA SET UP THE THE, THE CONTROL SYSTEM WILL BE SET UP FOR HER.

IT'LL BE SET UP IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE.

SINCE SHE'S COMING UP HERE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.

SHE ORDERS ONE NOW THAT THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO INSTALL IT IN KAUFMAN.

THERE'S NO REASON TO INSTALL IT DOWN THERE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, IT ONLY SUPPORT SO MANY VEHICLES WHEN YOU PUT THE TOWER UP.

SO ME AND SEAN SHARING A TOWER, SAME TOWER IS NOT GONNA WORK.

NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT SET UP ON THE THE LICENSE.

IT ONLY FOR THE MOTOR ROLLER.

SO MANY VEHICLES I'VE ALREADY ASKED.

NO, I MEAN SO HOW MANY VEHICLES WOULD THEY WORK FOR? I GUESS I'M LOST BECAUSE THAT'S NO SENSE.

EITHER FOUR OR SIX.

SO THERE'S THREE, YOU HAVE THREE VEHICLES? I HAVE FOUR VEHICLES.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE TOWER.

EVERYBODY HAS FOUR.

YEAH, THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.

THERE'S FOUR CARS.

ALL BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN RIGHT.

YOU'RE KIND OF HUNG OUT TO DRY IF YOU DON'T YEAH, BUT THAT'S, BUT WE STILL COULD GO THROUGH PURCHASING AND IT COULD BE SEPARATE WHAT THEY NEED, BUT IT COULD BE BOUGHT TOGETHER AND MAYBE GET A CHEAPER PRICE PRICE THAN ALL THREE OF YOU.

IT'S JUST BUYING IT SINGLE HERE, SINGLE THERE, SINGLE THERE.

THAT'S STILL AN AGGREGATE TOTAL OF OVER $50,000.

YEAH, I MEAN IF WE CAN DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WE CAN DO THAT.

WELL, I MEAN MY OPINION IS THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT PURCHASING FOR.

WE NEED TO GO TO JACK AND SAY THIS IS WHAT ALL Y'ALL NEED AND LET HIM GET THE BEST PRICE FOR US.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.

NO, WE NEED TO GET WITH JACK.

SEAN'S ALREADY ORDERED HIS, HE HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR.

JASON, THEIRS IS ALL BRAND NEW.

JASON'S IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S IN OLD WORKING.

SEAN'S ORDERED HIS, HE'S A MAD TOO THAT NEED IT BEFORE QUICKLY AFTER HE HAS JUNE.

SEAN ALREADY GOT HIS, I DON'T THINK HIS IS COMING YET, BUT HE'S ALREADY GOT IT ORDERED.

SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD CHECK, WOULD YOU, IF YOU CAN TAG ONTO LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT.

I'LL BUYING IT.

WHAT'S THE TOWER PART? NO, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AGAIN.

WHAT'S THE TOWER PART? IS IT JUST FOR YOUR DOWNLOAD? YES.

WHEN YOU DRIVE IN, IT'S LIKE A DOCKING.

JUST DRIVE IN AND DOWNLOADS.

YOU CAN PUSH A BUTTON.

IT DOWNLOADS ALL YOUR VIDEO TO A CERTAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TOWER, I'M THINKING BIG TOWER SOMEWHERE DOING SOMETHING.

THIS SOMETHING SMALL DOWNLOAD.

YEAH, IT'S JUST A LITTLE ANTENNA ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND PICK IT UP.

DID SHAWN GO THROUGH JACK TO BUY HIS OR DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? I WOULD THINK SO.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU PUT IT ON THE NEW COURTHOUSE.

I COURTHOUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE, GO UP.

SEE JACK.

THAT'S WHY I SAID IT IS A SHAME THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A SALLY PORT.

HEY MATT AND I HAVE GOTTA HAVE THESE, SEE IF WE COULD TAG ON TO SHAWN.

BUT SHAWN HOPEFULLY HE WENT THROUGH JACK BUT HE MAY NOT HAVE.

ALTHOUGH DO YOU KNOW KAREN IF HE WENT, HE, I DIDN'T HEAR,

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SEAN USUALLY GOES BY THE BOOK.

I SO GO UP AND SEE JACK AND SEE IF WE COULD TELL 'EM ALL TOGETHER.

HE KNOWS I WAS GONNA SEND Y'ALL CUZ I ALREADY WARNED HIM.

WELL, PROBLEM IS THAT WHY HE IS GOING ON VACATION.

THE PROBLEM VANESSA HAD WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT DAY WAS LIKE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE COST HAS ALREADY GOT MONEY FROM LAST YEAR.

HE'S ALREADY BEEN ABLE PURCHASED IT, THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR HER YET.

NEITHER DOES PRECINCT ONE.

PRECINCT THREE OR THREE.

I'M SORRY.

SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT.

YOU KNOW THEIRS.

BUT THE OTHER TWO ALREADY HAVE FUNDING PLACED TO GET THAT UPDATE.

SO, BUT STILL, IF WE GET A BREAK ON THE PRICE, WE NEED TO GET MM-HMM.

TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WELL WE SHOULD HAVE GOT A BREAK FROM THE SHERIFF BUYING IT AND THEN ANYBODY WANTED TO TAG ONTO IT EVEN IF IT WAS THREE MONTHS LATER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SHOULD BEEN ABLE TO GET SAME CHECK AND SEE.

HOW WOULD THEY HAVE FUNDING FOR IT WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTING IT TO BE FUNDED? NO, IT'S LIKE, UH, EARLIER WHEN, UH, CONSTABLE JOHNSON WAS IN THERE, HE SAID ALL HIS FUNDING WAS ALREADY WAS IN PLACE FROM THE CONTRACTS WERE PAYING FOR ALL HIS.

SO HE ALREADY HAD MONEY SET ASIDE THEN OF COURSE YOU SAID, WHO WAS IT? MAYFIELD ALREADY HAD SOME FUNDING LEFT OVER FROM, HE HAD SOME MONEY SOMEWHERE HE SAID HE WAS PURCHASING HIS WITH, BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED TO PURCHASE A CAMERA SYSTEM.

LIKE RIGHT TODAY.

SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THOUGHT WATCHGUARD WAS GONNA CARRY US.

BUT THEY'VE DECIDED THEY'RE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT IS OUTDATED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE COMPUTER, SO.

AND I BELIEVE MOTOROLA HAS SOME KIND OF A BUYOUT DEAL WHERE THEY'RE BUYING OUT WATCHGUARD, BUYING THEM OUT, SO.

SO WE NEED TO DEFINITELY CHECK THAT.

, UH, UNIFORMS. WE HAVE 2305.

INCREASE IT UP TO 4,000 BECAUSE WE'RE HIRING, WELL WE'VE GOT TROY ON AND HE NEEDS SHIRTS, PANTS, BELT, HANDCUFFED, CASE GUNS.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

ARE Y'ALL ALL GETTING THAT FROM THE SAME VENDOR OR YES.

AMMUNITION YOU BOUGHT FROM THE SAME PLACE? MM-HMM.

EVERYONE.

AND THEN LONG TIME AGO WE MEET, WE NEED A, WE NEED A QUARTERMASTER.

THAT'D FIX THAT PROBLEM.

YEAH, IT WOULD.

YOU TALKING ABOUT INSIDE LIKE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? YEAH.

HE HAS A QUARTERMASTER SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

BUT THAT NEEDS TO COVER EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY.

UH, DUES.

$26 EXTRA MISCELLANEOUS, UH, IT WAS, WE SPENT, OR IT IS 6 29, BUMP IT UP TO 2000 BECAUSE OF THE GRAPHICS, LIKE I SAID ON THAT.

AND THEN THE OFFICE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE 10,152 AND BUMP IT UP TO 467.

SO ALL THAT WOULD BE A 4.5 INCREASE.

AND THAT'S IT.

AND I HAVE THE MOTOROLA QUOTE, IF Y'ALL WANT A COPY OF IT.

DO Y'ALL WANT A COPY OF IT? IT'S IN OUR NOTES.

30 QUESTION 33,000 MORE.

AND THEN THE PURSUIT, UH, GRAPHICS.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THAT'S GONNA BE THAT NEW SYSTEM.

LIKE JUST FOR THIS YEAR.

THAT'S GONNA BE 33 DOWN THIS END.

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST THERE.

THAT'LL ANYTHING ABOUT THEM? NO, NO.

YEAH, I GET IT.

NO, I'M FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THIS.

YOU KNOW, I GET IT.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE DEPRECIATING SOFTWARE.

IT'S, IT IS SOMETIMES JUST DRIVE YOU CRAZY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE'EM TO KEEP ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE USED TO MM-HMM.

DO SOMETHING.

I BET WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED MESQUITE, Y'ALL HAD THE SAME CAR FOR 10 YEARS.

, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME RADIO SYSTEM, THE SAME.

EVERYTHING WORKED AND NOW YOU CAN'T KEEP DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

YOU CAN'T KEEP ANYTHING FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU GOTTA REPURCHASE EVERYTHING ALL OVER YOU.

WELL THEY UPGRADE TO KEEP THEIR MARKET GOING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHERE DO YOU HAVE YOUR GRAPHICS DONE ON YOUR VEHICLE PURSUIT? DOES EVERYBODY USE THEM? YEAH.

GOOD.

, I'M TELLING YOU MAN, I'M JUST LIKE, WE, WE TRY TO I SOMETHING, SOMETHING RIGHT.

THE CONTRACTS HELPS JASON OUT SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

DO WHAT WE CAN DO.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I UNDERSTAND.

IT JUST DRIVES CRAZY .

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I'VE GOT UH, CALL THE SHERIFF RIGHT QUICK.

IT'S ONLY MONEY.

IS HE ON TODAY? HUH? HE ON TODAY? NO, HE WANTS SOMETHING BEFORE.

GO ANY FURTHER.

LET ME UH, YEAH, ASK FOR IT.

IF HE'S OUT, Y'ALL NEED TO TAKE THAT'S WHERE THEY GET.

MISS SUSAN, WE GOT ONE AFTER YOU.

HE'LL BE HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

JUDGE RICH, I'LL BE THROUGH FOR THE DAY.

I SHOULD HAVE CHANGE FROM WHAT I SLIGHT CHANGE FROM WHAT I EMAILED YESTERDAY.

I GOT PACKETS FOR EVERYBODY.

WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON FOR ANIMAL 20? GENERAL FUND.

SNEEZE.

YOU LEAVE? MM-HMM.

UH, OPERATING EXPENDITURES.

THANK YOU MISS SUSAN.

OKAY, FOLLOWING.

EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND.

HOLD SURE.

YOUR CREDIT CARD.

I'M NOT GETTING MARRIED.

YOU HAVE ONE YOU JUST TELL HE BLOWS UP.

? YES SIR.

UH, THIS RIGHT HERE? YES.

YEAH, THAT WE PUT THAT IN THERE CUZ WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE ANY EXTRA EXPENSES BESIDES THE CONTRACT.

IS THERE THAT THERE? OH NO, I GOT, NO, WE SHOULD HAVE BRANDON WELL UP.

44 0 2 6 OH THE APARTMENT.

ONE SEVEN.

ARE YOU AN ST? MM-HMM.

OKAY THEN IT'S GONNA BE 1 0 31 0 2 4 12.

HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT ON THERE? 7 43.

OK.

WHAT'S IT BEEN SPENT ON? ENTIRE PAPER.

ENTIRE PAPER.

EMPIRE PAPER.

MUST BE TOILET, TOILET TISSUE.

PAPER TOWELS.

WE DID THAT FOR CLEANING STUFF I THINK TOO.

SUPPLIES OKAY.

BY THE WAY, WE'RE OUT OF PAPER TOWELS.

, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, THEY BOUGHT SOME BUT SOME .

THERE'S A STOCKPILE SOMEWHERE.

LOT DETERGENT, JUDGE GLASSES, PAYROLL TAXES.

SO PAYROLL.

SO IT'S ALL THE, UH, HAS ANYTHING FICA, FICA AND ALL THAT STUFF.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE ACRONYMS. ,

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WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT.

I THINK EVERY TIME SOMEONE'S ASKED WHAT THAT IS.

OKAY, MS. SOON.

GO AHEAD.

COULDN'T HEAR THE ROLE, MARK.

SO I'VE GIVEN YOU THREE THINGS.

ONE'S JUST THE SUMMARY PAGE, BUT THEN I'VE GOT SOME CAVEATS ON THERE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S UP HERE.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WAS THAT WE'RE LOSING MONEY.

UM, WE'RE LOSING 30,000 A MONTH AS IT IS NOW.

IN THE BUDGET THAT I'VE REQUESTED.

I'VE REQUESTED INCREASING THE MONTHLY MANAGEMENT FEE FROM 10,000 TO 30,000.

THAT STILL LEAVES ME A $10,000 A MONTH NET LOSS.

BUT WE'D LOOK AT TRYING TO FIND MORE DONATIONS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE TALK ABOUT ON HERE IN LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT WAYS TO MINIMIZE COSTS WOULD BE ANIMAL INTAKE.

AND I KNOW IT'S SORT OF A CON, YOU KNOW, WE STILL GOT THIS PROBLEM WE HAVEN'T SOLVED, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT, UM, ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAS THERE'S AN AHI CLEANING CONTRACT THAT JUST IS A PASS THROUGH TO US.

WE, YOU KNOW, YOU PAY US $2,500, 25 90 A MONTH AND WE JUST PAY THEM.

BUT THE CONTRACT'S ACTUALLY WITH THE COUNTY, WE'D SAY, LET'S JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR, WELL, I TALKED TO BOBBY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY, IF WE TAKE THAT MONEY AND GIVE THAT MONEY TO BOBBY UHHUH, HE SAID IT TAKES ABOUT TWO HOURS A DAY TO GO DOWN AND CLEAN THE FRONT.

ALL WE DO IS THE FRONT.

YEAH, RIGHT.

WE DO ALL THE ANIMAL MOPPING FLOORS AND CLEANING THE WINDOWS.

AND THAT WOULD GIVE HIM ANOTHER FULL-TIME.

THE, THE FUNDS JANITOR, UHHUH THEN GO UP THERE ONCE A DAY AND CLEAN THE FRONT, WHETHER IT BE IN THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON.

THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM.

AND THEN THAT MONEY, UH, WOULD PAY THEIR SALARY.

DO YOU NET, DO YOU COME AHEAD VERSUS THE 2,500? OR IS THAT JUST A I DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE PAY OUR WELL, EITHER WAY IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE.

WHEN I TALKED TO BOBBY ABOUT THAT, HE SAID IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH COVER, CUZ THAT'S, UH, BUT IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE.

IT'S JUST ODD THAT WE'RE, IT'S A PASS THROUGH, THROUGH US.

WE'RE SHORTHANDED ON BECAUSE WITH THE NEW BUILDING COMING ON, WE'RE REALLY SHORTHANDED.

AND THEY CAN'T GET TO THESE OTHER BUILDINGS TOO.

SO ANYWAY THAT GO BACK TO THE MAIN COURTHOUSE TO WORK.

YOU KNOW.

THERE THERE'D BE MORE TWO HOURS THERE.

MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SIX, THEY'RE NEEDED.

CAUSE THEY, THEY TRAVEL.

THERE'S JUST LIKE READING THROUGH THE CONTRACT, LIKE A 30 DAY TERMINATION WITH THEM.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT EVEN A PARTY TO THE CONTRACT.

NO, BUT NO, THAT'S ALL US.

SO I, THIS EXCLUDES ANY OF THE, WHICH I THINK BEFORE THAT WAS COMING THROUGH THE CONTRACT SERVICES CUZ YOU WERE PAYING US, BUT REALLY WASN'T RELATED TO US.

SO, LIKE I SAID, I'M, UM, LOOKING AT PER THE CONTRACT, UM, THAT WE WOULD OPERATE AT CAPACITY, NO POPUP KENNELS CUZ POPUP KENNELS ARE PROBABLY A FIRE CODE VIOLATION AND IT'S JUST NOT SAFE FROM A SPREAD OF DISEASE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS.

WE DIDN'T SOLVE THAT HERE, BUT THIS IS ASSUMING WE'RE JUST OPERATING AT CAPACITY, WHICH I THINK WOULD LOWER SOME OF THE COST, WHICH IS WHY I'D GO TO 30,000 INSTEAD OF WE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS WE'D STILL HAVE BASICALLY A NET LOSS, BUT WE'D LOOK AT MANAGING COSTS AND LOOKING FOR OTHER REVENUE.

UM, SO THAT MEANS WHEN WE'RE FULL, WE GOTTA LOOK AT ANOTHER PLACE FOR THE ANIMALS.

OR WE DID CHECK IN THE TIME FROM THIS MORNING TO TODAY TO NOW WE CONTACTED ELLIS COUNTY AND THEY'RE IN THE SAME BIND.

THEY'VE STOPPED DOING OWNER SURRENDERS AND STRAYS, WHICH WE WOULD NEED TO STOP DOING THAT NOW TOO.

BUT JUST COMMUNICATING TO EVERYBODY, WE'RE FULL.

WHAT YOU DO IS YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE OWNERS, THE OWNERS THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A STRAY ANIMAL, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, USE SOCIAL MEDIA OR SURRENDER YOUR OWN ANIMAL.

FIND YOU PLACE THE ANIMAL YOURSELF RATHER THAN IT COMING THROUGH THE SHELTER.

SO WE WILL DO ALL OF THAT.

BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, SHERIFF IS ONLY PICKING UP LIKE NUISANCE ENDANGER DOGS AND NOT JUST EVERY STRAY ANIMAL.

THING.

SO, I MEAN, CAUSE I LISTEN IN ON THE, ON THE RADIO ALL THE TIME.

AND I DON'T TELL HOW MANY DOG CALLS THEY GET.

AND WHEN YOU GET OUT TO THE COUNTY, THAT DOG IS GONE.

SO WE'VE WASTED THAT DEPUTY'S TIME RIGHT.

BACK AND FORTH.

SO, YEAH.

AND I KNOW SOME OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING.

WHEN YOUR SHELTER'S FULL RIGHT.

YOU ANNOUNCE IT'S FULL.

UNLESS IT'S RAPID.

ALL THE OR DANGEROUS GET FOR LIABILITY.

OTHERWISE, YEP.

FIND SOMEONE, TAKE CARE OF IT YOURSELF AND WHEN WE HAVE ROOM AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME GET IT AND WE CAN BRING IT IN.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY REDUCE COSTS.

UM, AND WE, UH, I AM HAPPY TO PUT A PROVISION IN HERE.

LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BREAK EVEN.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT THAT SAYS WE SHOULD NOT SHARE ANY NET PROFITS OR BEAR ANY NET LOSSES.

IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS FEE IS TOO HIGH AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL SHARE THE MONTHLY EXPENSES, WE'LL ADJUST THE FEE TO JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BREAK YOU.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND SAVE ANIMALS.

UM, SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHAT'S BUILT INTO HERE.

AND THEN I PUT IN ALSO IN THE CONTRACT IT SAYS THAT THERE WOULD BE REIMBURSEMENT FOR JANITORIAL SUPPLIES.

THE MAIN, I MEAN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT TOILET PAPER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

CLEANING AGENT, WHICH IS THE MAIN DISINFECTANT FOR THE KENNEL AREA.

THERE IS A RESCUE

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AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR THAT AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED.

SO THAT WAS THE 3000 THAT I PUT IN.

I JUST ESTIMATED THAT WAS LIKE TWO.

I SEE THAT FIVE GALLON BARRELS.

I SEE THE 3000.

THAT, THAT WOULD JUST BE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT MAIN DISINFECTANT.

AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE A $30,000 A MONTH FEE.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO GENERATE REVENUE TO OFFSET, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S FEES OR FINES THAT WOULD OFFSET OUR COSTS.

LIKE I SAID, ONCE WE BREAK EVEN, ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN SHARE WITH THE COUNTY KIND OF A THING.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY MONEY ON IT.

UM, AND THEN I'VE GIVEN YOU OUR NET.

THIS IS, I PUT THIS ALL ON YOUR FISCAL YEAR.

SO I HAVE, UH, OUR NET PROFIT OR P AND L OR NET LOSS REALLY FROM OCTOBER THROUGH MAY.

AND SO FAR THROUGH THOSE EIGHT MONTHS WE LOST 218,000.

AND THAT'S WITH THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE MONTHS WE GOT THAT EXTRA $15,000 A MONTH IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH.

SO IF WE HADN'T HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE WOULD'VE BEEN BASICALLY LOSING ABOUT $33,000 A MONTH.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T SOLVING OUR NET LOSS, IT'S MAKING IT MORE PALATABLE.

AND WE FOR GRANTS, WELL WE'VE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THESE OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING.

SEE IF THAT'S VIABLE.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO ASK YEAH.

A VIABLE WAY TO DO THINGS.

I KNOW LAST YEAR WE BUSTED $228,400 AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW IS A $360,000 ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T CONTINUE.

IT'S LIKE $156,000 INCREASE.

BUT I CAN'T CONTINUE TO LOSE.

AND THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT WE WOULDN'T, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE INCURRING ANY OF THAT LOSSES.

SO LIKE I SAID, IF WE WANNA CONTINUE TO HAVE WORKSHOPS ON HOW WE CAN SAVE COSTS AND LIKE I SAID, REDUCING THE NUMBER BEING WELL WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

NO, I AGREE.

I MEAN WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLUTION HERE.

UH, WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE SHELTER BY ANY MEANS.

BUT CITIZENS, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED THIS THING TO TODAY.

YEAH, YEAH.

I KNOW.

SO, UH, WHAT'S THE TIMING? I DON'T KNOW, LIKE ON FINALIZING THINGS.

SO LIKE IF WE HAD MORE WORKSHOPS WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO, WE'RE MORE WORKSHOPS FOR SURE.

BUT THE BUDGET WILL BE FINALIZED TILL PROBABLY THE 1ST OF AUGUST.

SO WE GOT A COUPLE MONTHS THIS SUMMER TO DO SOME THINGS SOMEWHERE IN FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST.

WE LIKE TO BE OKAY SOLELY THROUGH OKAY.

IF WE HAVE ALL THE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF, SHERIFF OFFICE.

BUT CERTAINLY I GUESS WE COULD EXPLORE WHATEVER NO LATER THAN THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER.

WE'RE DONE.

IT WON'T NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

I FIND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EMPLOYEE COVERAGE FOR INSURANCE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, WE, UH, COVER FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HEALTHCARE BENEFITS FOR, UH, WE HAVE THREE PLANS THAT ARE OFFERED.

UM, LIKE ONE'S A HSA, THAT'S THE CHEAPEST ONE.

AND THEN THERE'S A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ONE AND THEN ACTUALLY THE UPPER PLAN COSTS MORE.

SO WE DON'T PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT.

WE PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE LOWEST COST ONE AND THEN JUST SUPPLEMENT THE HIGHER PRICE ONES.

BUT WE OFFER THREE DIFFERENT PLANS.

AND WE HAD DISCUSSED USING MORE PART-TIME PEOPLES TO FULL-TIME PEOPLE TO SAVE ON OVERHEAD.

THE PROBLEM IS IT'S HARD TO HIRE PART-TIME PEOPLE.

EVERYBODY WANTS 40 HOURS.

BUT WE CAN, WE DEFINITELY CAN LOOK INTO IT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT EVEN PAM MIGHT KNOW SOME HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD NEED PART-TIME THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS.

SOMETHING ELSE CALLED MY EAR EARLIER.

YOUR ALL YOUR, ALL YOUR TO SEND FORT WORTH? NO, THE ONES THAT, BECAUSE SPAY NEUTER NETWORK, THAT'S WHO, WHEN WE CONTRACTED HERE, WE THOUGHT SPAY NEUTER NETWORK AND CRDA WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.

BUT THE ANIMAL, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS IS TOO MANY.

SO WE SEND THEM TO OUR FORT WORTH TO OUR, THE VETERINARIANS TO ALTER 'EM.

NOW IN A LOT OF CASES WE JUST KEEP 'EM AND MOVE THEM TO OUR OTHER SHELTERS CUZ THERE'S TOO MANY DOGS HERE.

SO, SO THOSE COSTS AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS CUZ IT'S ONLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS FACILITY THAT WE'RE CHARGING HERE.

SO IF A DOG LEAVES ANY COST AFTER IT LEAVES, DON'T GET CHARGED BACK HERE.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, I REALIZE THE FIRST PASS, NOT NUMBERS YOU WANTED TO SEE, BUT WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING.

WELL, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE REAL NUMBERS.

THEY'RE REAL NUMBERS.

AND WE'LL KEEP, LIKE I SAID, LOOKING TO ONLY WAY ANYBODY UNDERSTANDS ANYTHING IS SEE EVERY YEAH.

LOOK AT YEAH.

CAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU.

I DON'T, I DON'T SEND ALL HE DOESN'T SEE IT ON.

SOMEBODY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

ME OR LET ME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

LET ME ASK YOU, SUSAN.

NOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SPEAK SAY LOSS, LIKE HERE'S OUR LOSS NOW ARE Y'ALL INCLUDING LIKE SALARIES? CUZ LIKE WHEN I READ TO THE CONTRACTOR, I KNOW THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION TO THAT WAS TO PROVIDE THE FACILITY THE CLEANING SUPPLIES.

ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT SALARY? IT, IT'S, THAT'S THERE IT IS A WEIRD CONTRACT IN THAT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT FEE IN THE CONTRACT.

UH, BUT IT HAD NOTHING IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE PAYROLLS THERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS COVERING ALL THAT AND THIS LAWRENCE COUNTY.

SO, I MEAN ARE I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SAY I HAD 215,000, ARE YOU TAKING

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IT SHOULD.

SO I'M ALL FOR LIKE WRITING A CLEARER CONTRACT ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT, DON'T SPEAK OF THAT.

WE'RE NOT, WE DO THE BUILDING, ALL THE UTILITIES AND THE MAINTENANCE.

COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPROVED IT.

WAY, THE WAY I READ IT.

THAT'S ALL WE OWE.

WELL YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.

SO THAT'S KIND, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS WHEN YOU SAY MY WALLS, THE MANAGEMENT FEE ISN'T INCLUDED IN THERE.

BUT THAT WAS PART, AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WHEN I SAT HERE BEFORE THE CONTRACT WAS APPROVED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT FEE OF $10,000 A MONTH BEING IN THERE IN THE, IN THE YEAH.

SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF HAVING A CLEARER CONTRACT THAT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS COVERED WHAT'S NOT.

BY HAVING THAT STATEMENT IN HERE THAT SAYS THAT THE, UM, YOU MEAN SOCIETY SHOULD NOT MAKE ANY MONEY OR LOSE ANY MONEY AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOSING MONEY ON THIS.

IT'S JUST, AND THE COUNTY FEELS THE SAME WAY.

WE, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MONEY OR LOSE ANY MONEY.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST, ALL I'M LOOKING AT IS THE OPERATIONS OF THAT FACILITY, THERE IS NO FORT WORTH CHARGES COMING OVER.

IT'S ONLY WHAT IT COSTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS WHILE THEY'RE IN COMP.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF THEY LEAVE TO GO OVER TO FORT WORTH, WE JUST BEAR ALL THOSE COSTS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT LIKE, FOR OUR PERSPECTIVE REVENUE ENHANCEMENT, BUT THEN ALSO COST MANAGEMENT AND THE MAIN COST MANAGEMENT IS NUMBER OF ANIMALS.

IT'S A LOT TO BE WORKED ON THIS.

I AGREE.

EVERYTH THINGS WE'RE NOT I AGREE.

PROBABLY DONE WITH A LOT OF DETAIL UP FRONT.

BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I'M ALL FOR WRITING A MORE OKAY.

STRAIGHTFORWARD CONTRACT WHEN WE AGREE ON WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA AGREE ON.

THANK YOU MS. SUSAN UHHUH.

APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

OKAY, WE'RE WAITING ON JUDGE RICH AND THAT'LL BE IT FOR TODAY.

HE SHOULD BE ON HIS WAY.

IF WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK, GO TAKE ONE.

Y'ALL AGREE FOR ME THOUGH, RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU? YES.

OH, YOU'RE READY.

WELL, WAITING ON, I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO JUST READY TOGETHER.

UM, THE FIRST THING I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT, IF I COULD, WAS, UH, COURT REPORTER SALARY.

UM, IT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE I, I KNOW I GAVE YOU THE EVERGREEN STUDY, BUT I HAVE A STUDY FROM THE COURT REPORTER'S, UH, ASSOCIATION, UH, FOR 2023.

I GOT THESE FROM JUDGE GRAY, FROM, FROM HER COURT REPORTER.

AND I HIGHLIGHTED KAUFMAN'S SALARY BASED ON THE POPULATION THERE.

UH, WE, WE HAVE A, WE'RE A BIGGER COUNTY THAN HUNTS, ROCKWALL, HENDERSON, BUT THOSE THREE SALARY ARE, ARE WAY UP THERE NOW IN FAIRNESS, VAN Z COUNTY.

UM, IT'S A REAL SMALL COUNTY, THEIR SALARY'S DOWN.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT VAN ZANT COUNTY HAS A HARD TIME FINDING COURT REPORTERS.

AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, I, SALARY FOR THE COURT REPORTERS ARE NOT IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES.

AND I WAS JUST REQUESTING THAT THAT WOULD, COULD BE CONSIDERED.

NOW I'M, I'M ASKING FOR THE COUNTY COURT AT LAWS, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL COURT REPORTERS, DISTRICT, UH, COURT OR COUNTY COURT BE AT THE SAME SALARY.

THEY DO THE VERY SAME JOB.

THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT EXCEPT MAYBE THE TYPE OF CASES THEY DEAL WITH.

UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU WANTED TO ASK ME ABOUT.

UH, THESE ARE JUST PULLED TOGETHER RECENTLY.

SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS I HAVE.

I JUST PUT THE POPULATION AND THE SALARIES.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THE EVERGREEN STUDY.

THAT'S A SALARY.

WE'RE PAYING HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THAT, UH, WE ARE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS, THAT'S A COUPLE YEARS OLD THAT YES, IT'S EVERGREEN.

IT IS A COUPLE YEARS, LIKE THREE YEARS OLD NOW.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

AT LEAST.

SO, UM, JUST REQUEST, IF Y'ALL COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

I DON'T WANT MY COURT REPORTER TO GO OFF TO DENTON OR SOMEPLACE .

THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE UP THERE.

WOO.

BE BAD.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

IF YOU CAN FIND ONE THAT, THAT LIVES IN CODMAN COUNTY, SOMETIMES THEY'LL TAKE A DECREASE IN SALARY JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH ALL THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT STILL, SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S HARD TO FIND ONE THAT LIVES IN KAMAN COUNTY.

EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO DALLAS NOW THAT 26 MILES, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF.

AND SOMETIMES IF YOU LIVE IN 40, IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOUR DRIVE.

ONE WAY RIGHT.

NERVOUS A

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SHOT WHEN YOU GET THERE.

SO, I MEAN, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IF THEY, IF IF THEY WORK AROUND THE CORNER, JUDGE RICH, I'D GIVE UP A LOT.

DOES LISA STILL WORK FOR YOU? NO, SHE WORKS FOR, SHE WORKS FOR JUDGE CRE.

I'M GONNA MOVE THE T I D C SOFTWARE TO JUDGE GRAY BECAUSE THAT FOLLOWS LISA.

SHE TAKES CARE OF HER WILL FOR ATTORNEYS FOR INDIGENT.

SO I'VE GOT THAT MOVED AND I'M GONNA TAKE THAT 10,000 AWAY FROM THAT LINE.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS THERE.

JUST LET ME KNOW.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? OR THAT'S YOUR ONLY REQUEST TODAY? NO.

OH, WELL YOU'RE JUST WARMING US.

I I WANTED A PAY RAISE DROP SURPRISED THOUGH.

UM, OKAY.

WHAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO, UH, ALLOW NIPA COME IN AND PUT JENNIFER IN THAT POSITION OF MENTAL HEALTH COORDINATOR.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, JENNIFER AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

JENNIFER WANTS TO BE A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

SHE WOULD LOVE TO COME OVER TO THE COUNTY.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS.

UH, THE REASONS THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THAT STRONG.

BUT, UM, ALTHOUGH SHE, SHE WOULD, HER, I THINK SHE WAS A TEACHER, HER TRS RETIREMENT CAN, I THINK, CAN FALL IN LINE.

THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TELLING ME WITH THE COUNTY.

IT CANNOT UNDER NIP PPA.

THE OTHER THING IS, UH, AND THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY ISSUES, SO I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE THERE HAS BEEN BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT.

BUT SHE WOULD LOVE TO BE A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

AND I TELL YOU, SHE'S, SHE IS AN AMAZING EMPLOYEE.

AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT, UH, TO BENEFIT MYSELF HERE TODAY.

SHE IS A REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE MAKING HER DO THINGS BECAUSE IT'S A NONPROFIT.

LIKE GO TO COUNSELING 1 0 1 FOR A DAY SESSION OR TWO DAY SESSION.

SHE HAS HER MASTER'S IN COUNSELING, BUT THEY STILL MAKE HER DO THAT.

IT TAKES, TAKES HER AWAY FROM THE WORK SHE DOES HERE.

UM, AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I PUT DOWN.

UM, I, YES, THERE'S SOME OTHER TRAINING THAT SHE HAS TO DO.

SHE HAS TO DO TWO DAYS IN JULY, UM, FOR CPR AND SOMETHING ELSE ANOTHER DAY IN NOVEMBER.

AND SHE HAS TO HAVE FIVE DAYS.

I, I, IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE FIVE DAYS WERE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR HER.

WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, DONE THAT.

WE, EVEN THOUGH NIP PPA WAS PAYING IT, WE WENT AHEAD AND CREATED A BUDGET AND A LINE ITEM FOR THAT POSITION.

SO THERE'S, THE BUDGET IS ALREADY THERE.

IT'S 26 IN THE LAST 12 DAYS.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, SHE'S HELPED 20 FAMILIES IN, IN THE LAST 12 DAYS.

WE'VE HAD NINE MENTAL HEALTH WARRANTS.

I JUST DID ONE BEFORE I CAME OVER HERE.

SO THAT MAKES 10.

UM, IT, IT'S BUSY.

UH, AND EVENTUALLY I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE, MORE THAN ONE PERSON CAN STAND.

BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW SHE'S DOING WELL AND UH, OKAY.

SO IF WE MOVED HER TO A COUNTY EMPLOYEE YES SIR.

DO WE STILL GET THE NIP OF MONEY TO HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO REPLACE HER? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE NIP OF MONEY FOR AN EMPLOYEE THAT PRO PROVIDES A FUNCTION FOR THE COURT JUDGE.

I HAVE NOT TALKED TO NIP ABOUT THIS.

IN FACT, IF THEY'RE LISTENING TO US NOW WATCHING ON INTERNET, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOW FINDING THIS OUT.

UH, SO I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOUR FEELINGS WOULD BE AND I DIDN'T WANNA THROW THAT AT THEM.

NOT MAYBE KNOWING AT THIS POINT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

CAUSE SHE, THAT POSITION IS A VERY VALUABLE POSITION AND WE'RE GRATEFUL ABSOLUTELY.

FOR THEM FOR DOING THIS.

WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT.

UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND GET BACK WITH YOU IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER? SO YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE RIGHT NOW.

NO, I UNDERSTAND FOR THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

WHENEVER YOU WANT ME TO I CAN DO, BUT YOU DECIDE IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE SURE DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT POSITION.

UM, MY MY QUESTION WOULD JUDGE IF, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HER MAINTAINING THE DUTY SHE CURRENTLY HAS, BUT AS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I PAY HER.

WE PAY HER NIP YOU PAY THEM.

AND THEN BECAUSE WELL, SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.

BUT, AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS WOULD NIP THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION, MONEY TO HELP FUND THAT OR THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT HER? WELL, I, I LIKE TO FULL-TIME NIP EMPLOYEE IF THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT.

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SHE DOES.

I MEAN, GOOD.

UH, BUT DO THEY PAY THE WHOLE 124,000 NOW THEY PAY TWO $17,000 TO 'EM.

WHY WOULDN'T THEY MM-HMM.

I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN WE'RE KINDA SWAPPING DOLLARS.

COULD YOU USE TWO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW? ABSOLUTELY.

THIS YEAR.

I MEAN, I GOT THIS, I I THINK I COULD USE THREE BUT 200.

I COULD 217,000.

SO WHY WOULD THEY CARE IF WE TOOK THE EMPLOYEE OR NOT? AND IF, IF WE DID THAT WE STILL GOTTA PAY HIM.

YEAH, WE STILL GOTTA PAY HIM.

CAUSE Y'ALL BEEN DOING THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, Y'ALL.

BUT IF WE, IF THAT WORKED OUT, LET'S, I'M SPECULATING NOW, BUT IF THAT WORKED OUT, THE, THE OTHER EMPLOYEE THAT WOULD COME IN THAT NPA WOULD PAY FOR THAT SALARY WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH BECAUSE SH I'M ASSUMING SHE WOULD BE WORKING UNDER JENNIFER AS, UM, AND JENNIFER WOULD BE HER SUPERVISOR.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

AND SO THE SALARY WOULDN'T BE GROUND ZERO HERE.

WE'RE PAYING NIP PPA 200 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

, THEN IN TURN THEY'RE PROVIDING US AN EMPLOYEE FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THAT.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE OFFERED.

AND WHY THEY'VE OFFERED IS BECAUSE KAUFFMAN HAS COMPLAINED AS MUCH MONEY AS WE PAY, WE DON'T GET THE ATTENTION AND HELP.

THEY DON'T WORK HAS NOT JUDGE AT ALL.

TRUE.

SHE HAS COMPLAINED AND HE'S COMPLAINED AND OTHER JUDGES HAVE COMPLAINED THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO OR THREE REPRESENTATIVES THAT COME AND HELP PEOPLE.

AND THEY NOT ALWAYS HERE.

THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCUSE.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY THEY AGREED TO GET, GIVE US ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'VE DONE US WRONG.

, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY US THOUGH? I THOUGHT, OF COURSE, I YOU'RE PRIVY TO ALL THAT.

I'M NOT, I HAD, I HAD HURT AS MUCH AS 250,000 A YEAR.

BUT WE'VE, WE'VE PAID HIM $217,000 FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

IT EXTEND THE FOURTH YEAR.

AND I KNOW WE PAID, WE'VE PAID HIM MORE THAN THAT AND A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS KINDA STRANGE SAID THAT NICK WAS REQUESTING THE SAME AMOUNT AS FUNDED IN THE 2 9 2 20 19 MATCH BUDGET.

I I SAW THAT 29 BACK TO, TO TWO.

I SAW THAT.

IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S, WHY'D THEY GO BACK TO 19? I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST PUT THE NUMBER DOWN CUZ THAT'S WHAT YOU GAVE ME.

SO YEAH, THEY SAID IT TO ME.

I GAVE IT TO YOU .

SO I PUT 220,000 CUZ I SCARED.

THEY MIGHT SAY, OH WAIT A MINUTE, WE PUT THE WRONG DATE.

WE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT OUT OF THAT MONEY WE'RE THE THIS, WE'RE GETTING THIS EMPLOYEE BASICALLY FOR THAT MONEY AND PAY A LOT LESS THAN THEY WRITE.

THEY'RE WRITING 217,000 A CHECK FOR THAT.

PLUS RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER HER UM, 124,000, THAT'S WITH FIVE 80 FOR THAT POSITION.

THE SOUTH COMMISSION IS 115,000.

BUT WE'RE SENDING THEM 220,000 NOW.

SHE TOLD ME HER ACTUALLY WRITE HER THE PAYROLL CHECK.

SHE THEY WRITE THE PAYROLL CHECK TO HER.

YEAH, SHE COULD PAY TO HER.

SHE'S NOT ON OUR PAYROLL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING BAD ABOUT IT, BUT IF, IF, IF WE JUST COULD KEEP PAYING THEM TWO 17 AND NOW WE TAKE THEM EMPLOYEE AWAY FROM 'EM, NOW WE'RE GAINING NOTHING AND GOING FURTHER IN THE HOLE.

SO IT WOULDN'T COST US 124.

IT'D COST US 250 SO TO SPEAK.

WELL WHAT IF WE QUIT PAYING NIP? WHAT HAPPENS? I DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE BY LAW HAVE TO AUTHORITY TO HAVE THEM BY LAW.

NOW WE CAN PUT OUT BIDS FOR THAT.

LIKE LAKE REGIONAL CAN DO THAT OR SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION.

YOU, YOU PUT OUT BIDS.

AND HOPEFULLY GET SOMEONE, BUT I WANT TO, THIS IS WHAT JENNIFER TOLD ME BEFORE COMING OVER HERE.

SHE SAID HER SALARY WAS 89,000 WITH BENEFITS AND SALARY.

IT WAS 1 24.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S SHE'S UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH AND I THINK WE BUDGETED HER SALARY AS 79 RATHER THAN 89, WHICH IS WHAT NIP IS PAYING.

SHE WAS NOT, I DON'T THINK SHE'S OPPOSED TO DROPPING TO 79.

I PROBABLY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT, BUT I DID.

I JUST, YEAH, I'VE GOT 89 OF MINE HERE.

OH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DROP SALARY.

WE DON'T DROP IT.

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WELL THANK YOU.

NO, OR Y'ALL JUST SAVED ME.

THAT'S NOT FAIR TO HER.

SHE'S WORTH IT.

YEAH, SHE, SHE IS.

I I REALLY WOULDN'T STAND UP HERE AND TRY TO UM, SAY OTHERWISE SHE IS A GOOD EMPLOYEE.

SHE DOES A GOOD JOB.

UM, WELL I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT BRINGING HER OWN AS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

IS NPA GONNA REPLACE HER OKAY.

WITH SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THEM? AND OR DO WE NEED TO GO OUT AND BID TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THEM RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR CONTRACT DO WITH NPA RIGHT NOW? DON'T KNOW.

IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A YEAR CON YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR.

I THINK IT'S YEAR TO YEAR WHEN THE START DATE IS.

NO, YOU JUST KNOW WHAT DATE.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW DEBBIE? I DO NOT KNOW I THAT WHERE DO THEY OPERATE OUT OF? THEY, THEY MAIN OFFICE IS IN DALLAS.

I MEAN THEY, BUT THEY, I'VE SEEN HIM SOON SINCE I SENT THE BE NO, THERE'S A LOT OF, WE JUST DID THIS CLASS WITH THEM AND I WENT TO THE CLASS AND THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS.

IT'S, IT, I MEAN WITH THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IT'S INVOLVED IN THIS, IT IS THE BUREAUCRACY.

IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT JUST TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER BIT.

IT WAS LIKE WE WERE STARTING OVER WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH WHATEVER WOULD YOU BRING IN.

SO WE'RE KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE STRUCTURED COMAN COUNTY AND UH, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE EVERYTHING'S STRUCTURED UNDER THIS TYPE.

TO ME AM I'M ALL WRONG JUDGE.

AND SAYING, I'M SAYING IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ALL SET UP UNDER THIS PLATFORM I SHOULD SAY.

I WOULD WANNA SAY, UH, I KNOW, UH, LIKE, UH, KAREN HAD MENTIONED WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.

I DO THINK THEY ARE DOING BETTER NOW.

I DO THINK, UH, I GUESS THEY GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT GUESS SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE SOMETIMES.

AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AND SO, UM, I THINK IF WE HADN'T HAVE SAID NOTHING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT ANYTHING.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY KINDA WHERE IT WORKS.

I THINK THOUGH, IF, IF, IF WE DO THIS IT'S, IF YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

DEFINITELY WON'T.

AND I THINK POSITION REPLACED BY THEM.

I, I DON'T, OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I JUST HAVE A FEELING THEY WOULD GIVE US ANOTHER POSITION THAT'S ALREADY DOING IT.

WELL IT IS.

IT JUST ADDED THEIR SERVICES.

I MEAN YES SIR.

WE'RE PROVIDING THE POSITION FOR THEM AND THEY'RE GIVING US A POSITION.

WE'RE PAYING 'EM $217,000.

THEN THEY'RE BENEFITING TOO.

BY ALL MEANS.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD DO THAT.

UM, OR IF THEY WOULD FUND THAT PAYROLL FOR HER, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OR LIKE A GRANT OR SOMETHING LIKE IT IS FUNDING THAT PAYROLL, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SENDING THE SECOND PERSON UNLESS SHE NEEDS HELP, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE SECOND PERSON IF THEY WOULD, THERE'S ALWAYS HELP NEEDED THAT AREA.

THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH YOUR SALARY BEING PAID BY SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDES THE COUNTY, BUT YOU'RE SITTING DOWN AT THE COURTHOUSE ALL THE TIME AND SHE'S BEEN GOOD WITH THIS, BUT, AND IT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.

I'M NOT BUT WHO'S YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO NO, WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S CONTROVERSY, IS IT THE ONE THAT WRITES YOU THE CHECK OR WHO YOU'RE SITTING DOWN THERE AROUND AND I IT'S, IT SHOULD BE WHO YOU'RE SITTING WITH.

WELL, I, I, I AGREE.

BUT IF YOU TELL HER YOU DON'T WANT HER THERE, SHE, SHE GONE.

NO, SHE'S, SHE'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

SO ANYWAY, WHAT ELSE MR. JUDGE, THAT'S IT.

IF YOU WILL TELL ME WHEN YOU WANT ME TO CONTACT NPE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO AND ASK ABOUT THAT SECOND POSITION.

IT WOULD BE A GOOD INQUIRY TO DO THAT.

I THINK YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT NOW? WELL BASICALLY BE REPLACING, YOU GOTTA TELL SOMEBODY THAT RESIGNED FROM HIM IS WHAT THEY I THINK YOU HAVET TOLD.

YOU GOTTA TELL JULY, SEPTEMBER THE FIRST.

I THINK YOU GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.

WELL THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S RESIGNING.

AND WE GOTTA FILL THE POSITION.

AND I THINK ALSO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ASSURANCE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE SAYING YES, WE WOULD SPEND THE OTHER, WE'D SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $124,000 A YEAR IN YOUR BUDGET TO HER.

CAUSE IT'S STILL GOT TO PAY FOR A COMPUTER, ALL SUPPLIES, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT MENTAL HEALTH DEAL STILL GOTTA BE PAID OUTSIDE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHY THE JUDGE IS SAYING YOU WANT ME TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S KINDA LIKE, I MEAN WE CAN'T SAY DO THAT AND THEN I DON'T RUIN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND SAY, NO, I'M SUPPLY.

I'M NOT DOING IT CLOSER TO THE END OF YEAH.

JULY OR SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE MORE FIRM FIGURES.

JUST WAIT.

YES, WAIT BECAUSE WHAT IF WE REALLY COME UP SHORT ON THIS BUDGET? YEAH.

WE DON'T HAVE THE REAL, ALL THE REAL NUMBERS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO CHECK BACK WITH YOU JUDGE, PLEASE? AND JUST LET YOU CAN LET ME KNOW WHEN.

I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET, MAKE ANYBODY MAD OR BURN.

WELL, NO, JUST PUT HER IN THE BIND UNTIL WE NO.