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GUYS, WE ARE TROUBLE.[1. To discuss the FY23-24 budget.]
AND WE'RE NOW AT A BUDGET HEARING STILL TUESDAY, JULY THE 25TH.WE'RE HERE IN ANNEX AND WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2324.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF Y'ALL HAVE YOUR BUDGET BOOKS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO THUMB THROUGH HERE AND SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE HERE WHO HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND, NEED CLARIFICATIONS AS TO WHAT WE'RE THEY ARE NEEDING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OTHERS ARE.
SO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? YOU GOT THE BIGGER ONE.
YOU GOT A JURY? UNLESS HE HAS COURT.
I'M LET HIM NO, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON.
I RAN INTO HIM ON THE ELEVATOR.
AND MY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, WE DON'T WANNA HOLD UP ALL THE TAXPAYERS OVER THERE, DO Y'ALL? THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY.
I THINK I GAVE Y'ALL A SHEET LAST TIME.
DO Y'ALL STILL HAVE IT? YES, I NEED ONE.
I I LEFT MY NOTEBOOK AT THE OFFICE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT JUDGE GRAY HAD MADE UP.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE THE COPY I GAVE YOU LAST TIME.
DO Y'ALL HAVE THAT? UH, MR. LEMME LOOK.
WE THUMB MIGHT HAVE FELL OUT OF THIS.
JUDGE GRAY COULDN'T MAKE IT, SO SHE ASKED ME TO STAND IN.
I THOUGHT, UH, JUDGE BLAIR WAS GONNA BE HERE.
BUT, UM, I HAD TALKED TO Y'ALL BEFORE ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, COURT REPORTER'S SALARY.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR, THE, UH, SALARIES FOR THE OTHER COUNTIES.
AND I, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY LOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ABOUT AT THE BOTTOM, TO BE FAIR WITH YOU.
AS I SAID LAST TIME, I THINK I PUT IT ON MY REPORT LAST TIME, BUT JUDGE GRAY DOES NOT HAVE IT ON HERE.
I THINK VANZANT COUNTY IS, IS QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN US.
THEY'RE AT 76, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
AND I WAS TOLD TODAY THEY HAVE ONE COURT REPORTER.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
WE ARE 86, 6 64 CURRENTLY, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, ELLIS COUNTY'S 1 0 2, 600 HENDERSON 1 0 5, HUNT 1 0 7.
OF COURSE, WHEN YOU GET TO THE BIGGER COUNTIES, YOU SEE A BIGGER SALARY.
THEY'LL PROBABLY BE GOING UP THIS YEAR.
IF YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE OF ALL THOSE COUNTIES, EXCLUDING VAN ZC COUNTY, THE AVERAGE IS ONE TEN EIGHT EIGHTY THREE.
AND IF YOU JUST TAKE ELLIS HENDERSON HUNT IN ROCKWALL 1 0 3 5 85, AND MY CONCERN IS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE COMPETITION THAT WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES TO BRING SOME OF THE COURT REPORTERS IN.
I KNOW THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, SOME SORT OF TECHNOLOGICAL DEVICES THAT WOULD RECORD AND DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, I'LL TELL YOU, I I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND MY OPINION ALONE WITH, WITH THE IDEA OF ME GOING OUT TO TERRELL STATE HOSPITAL AND, UH, SOME OF THESE RECORDING DEVICES TRYING TO PICK UP THAT INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE TESTIFYING.
UH, THERE ARE MEDICAL TERMS THAT ARE LONG AND COMPLICATED AND SOMETIMES THE COURT REPORTER HAS TO SAY, STOP, WOULD YOU SPELL THAT FOR ME? OR WHATEVER.
AND I CAN SEE WHERE A RECORDING DEVICE WOULD PICK THOSE THINGS UP AND THEY WOULD NOT COME BACK THE WAY THEY NEED TO COME BACK.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE TRYING TO CALL SOMEBODY ON YOUR CELL PHONE IN YOUR CAR WITH BLUETOOTH AND YOU, THEY CALL THE WRONG PERSON.
I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING A LOT.
UM, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT JUDGE WILEY ON THE SPOT.
SHE MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT AREA REC DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RECORDINGS FROM YES, SIR, I DO.
ONLY BECAUSE, UM, WHEN I WAS A DALLAS PROSECUTOR, THEY USED VOICE RECORDERS ON SOME, UM, HEARINGS ON VISITING.
UM, I, MY EXPERIENCE IN, UM, COUNTY COURT LAW DISTRICT COURTS IN DALLAS COUNTY AND BEING IN CONFERENCES WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND THE KIND OF POSITION OF OUR ASSOCIATION IS INEFFECTIVE.
UM, IF I DRAW MY EXPERIENCE AS A JUDGE, AN OFFICIAL HAS A DIFFERENT ROLE.
AN OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER IS MUCH PART OF THE PROCESS AS THE JUDGE.
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OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THE DELAWARE AIR CASE.THAT WAS A COURT REPORTER ERROR THAT REVERSED THAT CASE WHEN THE AGREEMENT WAS MADE.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA BE DRAMATIC.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS A CAPITAL MURDER CASE.
BUT FOR US THAT ARE, HAVE PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, I, I THINK THAT, UM, AN OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER REPORT, AND I'VE HAD RECORDINGS AND THEY DID WORK AT DETENTION HEARINGS, WHICH AREN'T UNDER, BUT SOME OF THOSE EARLIER.
THE, UM, I KNOW A LOT OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, THE COUNTY COURT AT LAWS JUST DO MISDEMEANOR CASES.
WE HAVE STATUTES THAT ALLOW OUR COURTS HERE IN KAMAN COUNTY TO DO FELONIES.
A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF ATTORNEYS WILL WAIVE THE RECORD ON MISDEMEANOR CASES.
UH, I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR THE COUNTY COURT AT LAWS HERE, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE HANDLING A FELONY CASE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA WAIVE THAT RECORD.
YOU WOULD THEN HAVE THE VOICE RECORDER TO, TO PICK THAT UP IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A COURT REPORTER.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE KEEP THESE COURT REPORTERS AND, AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SALARY AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER SURROUNDING, UH, SALARIES, UM, AROUND US.
I KNOW LAST WEEK AT THE CONFERENCE, UH, MORE THAN PROBABLY HALF THE JUDGES IN THE ROOM.
NOW MOST OF THESE WERE ALL COUNTY JUDGES BY AND LARGE IN THE, BUT THEY'RE DOING THE COUNTY COURT LAW 'CAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE D UH, DISTRICT COURT.
THEY'RE USING THE RECORDINGS AND THEN IF APPEAL HAPPENS, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT TRANSCRIBED BY COURT REPORTER.
BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT MAJORITY OF THEM ARE DOING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
JUDGE, JUST FOR A QUESTION, DO THEY HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE REPORTER OR THE TRANSCRIPTIONS? THE REPORTER.
AND MY REPORTER, NOT ONLY IS SHE'S TRANSCRIBING, BUT SHE ALSO USES A LITTLE PERSONAL RECORDER THERE JUST SO SHE CAN HAVE THAT AS A BACKUP.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO SHE'S KIND OF DOUBLE DOUBLING ON THAT.
SO, UM, SO I DON'T, I I'VE GIVEN YOU THE, THE SALARIES AND UM, JUST WISH YOU WOULD TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION.
WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU DON'T PAY A COMPETITIVE SALARY, YOU CAN'T KEEP QUALITY PEOPLE.
I MEAN, UNLESS THEY JUST WANNA LIVE HERE, DON'T WANNA DRIVE ANYWHERE ELSE.
BUT STILL IS THAT FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO THAT PERSON.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION ONLY AND WHAT IF AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS? WELL, LET'S SEE.
ARE WE, I WAS GONNA ADD IT UP HERE.
UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT DOING OR TRYING TO DO WHAT, 5%? YEP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
HE'S TRYING TO POKE THE CALCULATOR OVER HERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD AN EXTRA RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BRING HIM UP TO 90,000.
THAT'S STILL, THAT'S WAY STILL BELOW.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH THE JUDGE THERE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE AND WE WANT PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GONNA STAY WITH US AND WE WANT GOOD PEOPLE.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE, MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
DO YOU KNOW, UH, IN BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU, DO YOU KNOW THE, UH, AVERAGE LENGTH OF TIME EACH ONE OF 'EM HAVE HERE? UM, I MEAN, ARE ARE THEY ALL LONG TERM? DO WE HAVE ANY SHORT TERM? MY COURT REPORTER IS NEW.
BUT THAT'S AFTER JUDGE YOU HAD, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
THAT'S AFTER YOU HAD A LONG TERM COURT REPORTER.
SO YOU HAVE A NEW ONE AND THEN JUDGE, UH, UH, BLAIR
JUDGE BLAIR HAS A LONG-TERM ONE.
AND, AND, AND 4, 2, 2 HAD SOMEONE, UH, SHE, HE HAS A NEW ONE.
IS HE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY THAT HE'S ACQUIRED? ONE JUDGE? I DUNNO.
BECAUSE YOUR HONOR, WELL, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE ALSO, AND I GUESS, I GUESS I COULD LOOK FOR MYSELF, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LONGEVITY'S GOT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PLACES MIGHT NOT PAY LONGEVITY AT ALL.
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ONE OF 'EM THAT WELL STILL WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE BASE HERE.WELL, I KNOW, BUT I GET WHAT I'M SAYING IS THOUGH, IF, IF YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, IF NONE OF THOSE HAVE LONGEVITY, THEN WE MIGHT BE AT 95 OR 90.
I BELIEVE ELLIS PLAYS LONGEVITY BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY ARE KILLING US.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING.
I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP FOR DESCRIPTION.
SO I ELLIS, 'CAUSE WE ASK, I THINK ELLIS DOES DO LONGEVITY AND THEIR BASE IS HIGHER, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT SHELLY, UH, SHE JUST RETIRED AND SHE HAD MOVED FROM AMP COUNTY TO MY COURT AND SHE'S RETIRED.
AND SHE MOVED BECAUSE OF THE PAY OF THE PAY.
AND SO THEY WERE SEARCHING AND LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNUSUAL.
AND SHELLY REPORTED FOR ME BEFORE SHE GOT HIRED ON AT VAN ZANT.
BUT I HAD A LONG-TERM REPORTER.
SCOTT SMITH WORKED FOR ME FOR EIGHT YEARS.
SO SHE MOVED JUST TO BE CLOSER TO HOMELANDS, MOVED TO VAN Z OR SOMETHING.
WHY DIDN'T SHE MOVE THE VANS IN? YOU DID IT JUST THE OPPOSITE.
HOW MANY OF THESE SHE WAS IN VAN ZANT? OH, SHE MOVED AND THEN SHE MOVED HERE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE MONEY SHE MOVED FROM YOU FOR THE MONEY.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON, ON THESE FOLKS, I CAN TELL YOU ONLY ONE.
AND YOU SAID ROCKWELL DOESN'T HAVE LONGEVITY.
WELL I KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S THE REASON I'M, I JUST ASSUME THEY DON'T HAVE IT ON ANYTHING.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF 'EM THAT YEAH.
NOW DOES THE, THE COURT REPORTER JUST RETIRED.
DID SHE HAVE LONGEVITY IN HER LONGIN WITH THE COURT? I I I'M JUST LOOKING AT LIKE A PERSON THAT'S HERE WITH A LONG TIME.
LIKE SHELLY THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
Y OR THE ONE THAT JUST RETIRED THAT YOU WERE PLAYING.
SO I MEAN WHAT KIND OF JUST A RANGE OF PAY? IS THAT WITH LIKE, I MEAN IS IT LIKE THE POLICE STUFF? DEPENDS.
FIVE YEARS YOU GET A 3% INCREASE.
UH, KAREN, IT'S EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND FOR FOLKS NOWADAYS, FIVE A FOUR YEAR PERSON'S A PRETTY LONG TIME TO HAVE TO WORK SOMEWHERE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU HAVE LONGEVITY IS TRY TO HOPE THAT YOU TALK SOMEBODY IN THE STAND.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE.
SO Y'ALL BE KIND OF COME TO A CONSENSUS AS TO DID WE FIGURE ANYTHING IN ON THE FIRST ONE FIRST? WE'RE NOT DOING THAT YET.
NO, WE JUST DO THESE APARTMENTS ONE AT A TIME.
HE'S WANTING TO TRY AND BRING 'EM ALL UP TO THE, THAT AVERAGE, THAT 1 0 3 AVERAGE OR THE YEAH.
OR WE NEED TO GET THERE ALL WAY OF THINKING CLOSE TO IT.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO THE SAME PAY FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEES? UH, AS THE, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, THE NO.
'CAUSE I, UH, ARE, THEY BRINGS HER ATTORNEYS IN.
I MEAN SHE HAS A RANGE, BUT SHE BRINGS MED AT LOWER AND THEN WHEN THEY GET SO LONG THAT SHE CAN OKAY.
IF THEY WANTED TO ARRANGE THAT SALARY AND DO IT, THEN YOU COULD DO RANGE, THE SALARY.
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN HERE TWO YEARS LOOK AT THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE THEM STAY.
IF YOU, LET'S SAY YOU GOT COURT REPORTER A'S BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS AND YOU BRING IN A BRAND NEW ONE, YOU DON'T WANNA START THEM OUT THE SAME PAY THAT THIS SEVEN YEAR EMPLOYEE'S BEEN AT.
WOULD YOU IF, IF THEY'RE NEW, I, I SEE THAT THEY GET THE BASE, BUT THEY DON'T.
BUT YOU, BUT IF THEY'RE WEARING ANOTHER COUNTY FOR 10 YEARS AND MOVE OVER HERE, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO, YEAH.
SO EARLY, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT BRING 'EM IN LOWER AND THEN IF THEY PROVE THEIR SELF, THEN WE BUMP 'EM SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT'S OH, PUSH YOUR BUTTON PLEASE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A FEW DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS EARLY AND I BOTH HIRE PEOPLE AT A LOWER RATE AND LET THEM PROVE THEMSELVES WHAT THEY CAN DO.
THAT'S, SO WE USE A RANGE HERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU.
ONCE THEY PROVE THEMSELVES AND YEAH.
I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE THAT INCENTIVE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHERE THE PROBLEM RUNS.
THEY HAVE SOMEBODY SITTING THERE MAKING 86
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AND THEY RETIRE.AND IF THEY DON'T HIRE 'EM AT 86, THEY HIRE 'EM AT 80.
Y'ALL TAKE THE 6,000 AWAY FROM 'EM.
AND THAT'S WHY NOW THEY HIRE 'EM AT THAT BASE RATE THAT THEY HAVE BUDGETED.
WE'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE AT ALL.
SO CONSENSUS IS WHAT? WELL IF, YOU KNOW, IF HE COULD WORK WITHIN A RANGE LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THEN I THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO TRY AND MEET THAT AVERAGE.
LET'S, LET'S, THAT'S WE'RE TALKING POINTS.
5% IS 20 GRAND A YEAR TO START.
BUT HE CAN BRING THEM IN AT WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO GET THEM HIRED.
AND IF THEY PROVE THEMSELVES, THEN HE CAN TAKE 'EM TO THE 1 0 3.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DO NOTHING.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, START 'EM AT 90 AND RANGE 'EM UP TO 1 0 3.
YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND THEN IF YOU START 'EM AT 90 AND THEY STILL GET A COST OF LIVING, THAT'S STILL A NICE INCREASE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE 3% EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S THAT JUMP TO LIKE 89 91 AND 10 94.
AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING EVERY YEAR AS COST OF LIVING.
IF, IF I WAS DOING THAT, I'D BRING SOMEBODY IN UNLESS THEY CAME IN LIKE WITH 20 YEARS OR 10 YEARS FROM A BIGGER AREA.
I'D BRING 'EM IN AT 90 PLUS WHAT YOUR COST OF LIVING WAS AND THEN EVALUATE EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND THEN LIKE KAREN SAYS AND THEY STAY FIVE AND THEN THEY GET THEIR LONGEVITY AND THEY BUMP UP.
I WOULD MAKE IT ABOUT ALL COURT REPORTERS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL.
JUST LIKE IN EVERY, EVERYTHING.
WELL SOME OF OUR PAY HERE, EVERYONE IS EQUAL ON PAY BUT THEY'RE NOT EQUAL IN ABILITIES.
IS THAT RIGHT THING TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU SAY? I WOULD AGREE.
SO LET'S, LET'S TARGET, LET'S PROPOSE OUR CONSENSUS IS CAN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS TODAY BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT IFS.
THE 1 0 3 AND THEN LET THE JUDGES THEN CAN COME IN AND START 'EM AT WHATEVER THEY CAN GET THEM AT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE MONEY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CANS OUT HERE THAT NEED TO BE PICKED UP.
I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU ALL THE TIME.
MS. TANDY, WHERE YOU GO THERE YOU ARE.
'CAUSE YOU HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING.
WELL WAS THERE A REQUEST? YOU HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT UM, WE HAD REVIEWED THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL MARKING DEVICES AND DISCUSSED THAT WE HAD FINANCING OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE.
THERE ARE FINANCING OPTIONS AND IF WE DO ANYTHING, I THINK THAT'S THE SMART WAY TO GO.
AND THOSE WERE PROVIDED TO MS. KAREN WITH YOUR POSTAGE MACHINE THAT YOU WANT WANTING TO BUY.
SO THEY GAVE ME AN OPTION FOR RENTAL VERSUS POSTAGE.
I THINK RENTAL ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE SMARTER WAY FOR US TO GO.
THE RENTAL ON A 36 MONTH LEASE IS GONNA RUN, SORRY, I GOT A LOT OF PAPERS HERE.
AND THAT INCLUDES EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, PRICE UPDATES FOR THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT.
IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE THE UNIT OUTRIGHT, THE UNIT ITSELF IS GONNA RUN US 39 69.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT METER RENTAL BUILD ANNUALLY AFTER THAT, WHICH WOULD BE $360.
AND THEN OF COURSE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THE MAINTENANCE FEE WOULD BE $780 FOR THE YEAR.
SO IN THE LONG TERM IT'S CHEAPER TO RENT THE UNIT.
I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE TERMS. 36, 48 60 MM-HMM.
MACHINES CHANGE AND YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A LOT OF MAIL THROUGH HERE.
WILL THAT THING LAST 60 MONTHS? WELL IF IT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION THEN.
WHERE ARE WE? IF IT'S RENTED, THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO IF THERE'S AN UPDATE OR IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THAT.
IF WE'RE RENTING, IF WE PURCHASE, THAT WOULD BE ON US.
BUT SO IF WE RENT THEN WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO SPEND ANY MONEY FOR REPAIRS.
UM, AND THE METER OF THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF.
BECAUSE I, THAT WAS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THAT COMPANY SUBMITTED.
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I'M LOOKING AND WE CAN DO IT FOR A SHORTER TERM, WE COULD DO IT FOR A 36 MONTH TERM.THE PRICE DIFFERENCE IN 36 VERSUS 60 IS ABOUT $40.
BUT I'M THINKING WEAR AND TEAR TECHNOLOGY, UH, IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING BETTER AND FASTER AND WE'RE HUNG OUT THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE WISH WE'D HAVE GONE A SHORTER TERM.
SO I, I WOULD BE CONTENT WITH THE 36 MONTH LEASE AND THE OPTION TO REEVALUATE OUR NEEDS AT THAT TIME.
BUT DEFINITELY BASED ON PURCHASE CONSIDERATIONS AND WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INPUT IN THE MAINTENANCE COST AND THEN RENTAL ANNUALLY FOR JUST THE METER ITSELF.
TO ME RENTAL IS THE, THE BETTER OPTION.
SO WHAT DO Y'ALL THINKING ON TERMS Y'ALL GIVE YOUR, THE LOWEST? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE POSTAGE METER FOR TANDY 36, 48 AND 60, WE'RE GONNA RENT FOR SURE.
BUT THE LOWEST TERM POSSIBLE WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT THE LOWEST TERM? LONGEST TERM I WOULD GO WITH LOWEST TERMS. SO THAT AS WE GROW, IF WE NEED SOMETHING LARGER, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SWITCH THAT UNIT OUT.
WELL THAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
IF WE NEED SOMETHING BETTER, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CONTRACT? SINCE WE'RE ANOTHER TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS OUT.
TYPICALLY THEY CAN DO A BUYBACK.
WE CAN, BUT WE MIGHT OWE MONEY TO DO A BUYBACK.
IT'S A POSSIBILITY BUT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO ME.
LIKE A LEASE CAR'S ALWAYS A BUYBACK.
AND IT'S ALWAYS LOWER USUALLY.
AND IT, I MEAN AND THAT IS FOR MAILING EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
THIS IS GONNA BE OUR VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS, OUR MAIL BALLOTS.
UM, THAT'S ALL OUR LETTERS TOO.
THAT'S ALL POST CARDS, RIGHT? YES.
AND THOSE RUNNING AND ELSE SHORT AND SEPARATE THOSE AND TAKE THEM TO THE POST OFFICE SAID OTHER, THE MAIL BALLOTS.
THE REASON INITIALLY FOR THIS WAS TO KEEP THAT CHAIN OF CUSTODY IN OUR OFFICE INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE MIGRATE FROM HERE TO A VEHICLE TO ANOTHER FACILITY BACK INTO A VEHICLE AND THEN TO THE POST OFFICE OFFICE.
IT'S BOTH CHARGING CHEAPER NOW THAN IT, I MEAN IT'S THE SAME PRICE RIGHT? IT JUST WENT UP POST.
AND THAT'S WHAT I READ THE BULK.
WE GET 3 CENTS OFF IF YOU TAKE IT OVER AND USING OURS.
THE ONE WE HAVE NOW RUNNING IT THROUGH OUR MAIL MACHINE, WE GET 3 CENTS DISCOUNTED.
WELL I THOUGHT I READ THEY WERE TAKING THAT AWAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ON THIS NEW INCREASE.
I DON'T, OURS THEY DID THE MAIL DIDN'T.
THE STAMPS DID GO UP BUT OKAY.
THE OURS WENT UP SOME, BUT WE STILL GOT A 3% DISCOUNT.
OKAY, WELL DISCUSSION IS ON THE LENGTH OF TERM HERE AND UH, WE ALL THINKING 36 MONTHS.
TOMMY, WHAT'S YOUR CONSENSUS? WHAT'S THE MINIMUM THEY'RE OFFERING ON THAT? 36? 36 IS THE MINIMUM.
I DO THEY OFFER 36 48 60 TECHNOLOGY LOSING.
YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE RENTING THAT MACHINE, I MEAN SOMETHING BETTER IN SIX MONTHS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE WE'LL HANG WITH THAT THEN.
WHICH LINE ITEM THAT IN THAT ONE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN A LINE ITEM BECAUSE WE HAD TO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION AHEAD OF WHEN WE RECEIVED THE QUOTE.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE QUOTE UNTIL AFTER WE HAD TO TURN OUR INFORMATION IN MAY 19TH.
SO WE'LL TAKE $2,400 FROM SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED.
DID YOU WHAT? WE'LL TAKE THE 2,400 FROM SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED.
WHAT IS THAT MY CHANGE OF ADDRESS? OH, I HAD SOME WIGGLE ROOM THIS YEAR.
I'M HOPING I END UP WITH SOME WIGGLE ROOM NEXT YEAR.
WELL THE MACHINES LAST FOUR YEARS.
THEY WON'T CHANGE YOU DON'T THINK? UM, ELECTION EQUIPMENT IS FOREVER CHANGING.
THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT WE'VE HAD, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE HAD FOR FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS.
LIFESPAN IS YEAR ABOUT 10 TO 15 YEARS ON ANY VOTING UNIT BEFORE YOU SEE CHANGES IN THE SOFTWARES.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED NEW MACHINES? CORRECT.
I NEED SOMETHING SHOWING ME THE PRINCIPLE AND THE INTEREST.
WAS THAT TOO MUCH PAPER? OKAY.
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IS THIS NINE TWO? YES MA'AM.BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES WENT FROM 82 TO 1 25.
YOU THINK THAT'S A FIRM NUMBER? UM, THAT IS A FIRM NUMBER ON BALLOTS AND SUPPLIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIMARY ELECTION FOR A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.
WE'RE GONNA SEE A FLUXX IN THAT.
EARLY VOTING IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY.
WE WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY KIND OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR OUR EARLY VOTING SUPPLIES FROM THE PARTIES.
SAME WITH THAT PRIMARY RUNOFF.
UM, JUST AN F Y I WE FOUND OUT IN DISCUSSIONS ON YESTERDAY, UH, BETTON COURT SENATE BILL TWO IS GONNA FORCE, UM, ANY COUNTY WITH A POPULATION OF OVER 75,000 TO HOST AN ADDITIONAL ELECTION FOR THE ELECTION OF BOARD MEMBERS TO THE APPRAISAL BOARD.
THEY'RE ADDING BOARD MEMBERS IN ANY COUNTY.
CANNOT NOT BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME OR IS IT SEPARATE? IT'S GONNA BE SEPARATE THAT BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT WOULD GO ON THIS BALLOT, THE ACTUAL BOARD MEMBER ELECTION WOULD NOT BE UNTIL NEXT MAY.
SO THAT'S AN ELECTION YOU TYPICALLY DO NOT HAVE A COST FOR.
THAT'S TYPICALLY ONLY ON THE ENTITIES WHO CONTRACT WITH US.
UM, SO WHEN I SAY WE WERE FRUGAL WITH THOSE NUMBERS, WE WERE, SO WHAT IS THAT GONNA COST US? ABOUT $192,000 IF NOBODY JOINS IN? IF EVERYBODY JOINS IN, THEN WE'LL SPLIT IT OUT JUST LIKE WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO YOU WOULD PUT IT WITH A CITY ELECTION OR SCHOOL BOARD ELECTION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE JOINT ELECTIONS SO WE'RE ABLE TO OH, OKAY.
COUPLE THAT EVERYBODY SHARES THE COST, IT BENEFITS US GREATLY.
UM, AND THAT SAVINGS I HAVE THOSE SOMEWHERE UP HERE WOULD TAKE US DOWN TO LIKE IT DID, WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WHERE THEY PUT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS IN MAY OF 2022 UHHUH
AND WITH EVERYBODY JOINING IN, WE ACTUALLY SHRUNK THE COUNTY'S PORTION DOWN TO ABOUT 18,000.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE AS MANY ENTITIES AS WE DID BACK THEN, BUT THOSE, THAT'S
WE HAVE CONTRACTING NOW WHAT, 23? IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN WE HAVE CONTRACTING NOW.
I MEAN HOW MANY PAY US ENTITIES? YEAH.
ENTITIES FOR WHICH ELECTION? ALL ELECTIONS.
IT JUST VARIES FROM ELECTION TO ELECTION.
I DID 20 ENTITIES THIS LAST MAY 20.
AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT CO UH, SURVEYS OUT AND INFORMATION COMING IN FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL BE CONTRACTING FOR THIS NOVEMBER AS WELL.
SO WHERE DO YOU PROPOSE THE, THAT WE BUDGET 18.
I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE CUTS AVAILABLE? I DO NOT.
I, I WAS VERY FRUGAL IN WHAT WE PRESENTED AND THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE SO MUCH PRINTING.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN OUR PRINTING LINE ITEM WE BUDGETED A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND WE'RE CALCULATING THESE COSTS UP, I'M SITTING AT 114,000.
AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT CAN I CUT BACK ON? WELL I HAVE QUESTION MARKS ON THAT RIGHT THERE.
THE PRINTING AND THEN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS WHERE WE BREAK OUT WHAT IT COSTS FOR OUR VENDOR TO COME IN AND PERFORM CERTAIN DUTIES SUCH AS UM, SITE SUPPORT WHEN WE NEED 'EM IN A LARGER ELECTION WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE LOCATIONS UP, OUR PHONE LINES ARE SLAMMED, WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE OFFICE STAFF.
THEY COME IN AND SUPPORT AND ARE ABLE TO GO OUT AND ASSIST US.
SO THOSE ARE CHARGE BACKS TO AN ELECTION.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE TO BUDGET FOR 'EM ON THE FRONT END.
UH, I HAD SOMETHING ELSE CIRCLED HERE.
WHEN YOUR VOTING EQUIPMENT YOU HAD PUT PUT IN 245,000 LAST YEAR, 72 5? CORRECT.
IS THAT FOR THE NEW MACHINES? A HUNDRED NEW MACHINES OR WHAT'S THAT FOR? THAT IS A PORTION OF THE A HUNDRED NEW MACHINES AND ALSO SO THAT WE CAN PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT SECURITY CARTS SO THAT WE, THE CARTS YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT.
AND WE'RE WAITING ON A FINAL BID TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN KIND OF SHRINK DOWN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A VENDOR WHO BUILDS THESE RATHER THAN ORDERING 'EM OFF THE SHELF BECAUSE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER.
INSTEAD OF $3,000 A UNIT, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT 900, $1,200 A UNIT.
YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT THE GUY LAST YEAR.
WELL THAT NUMBER COULD FLUCTUATE.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME SAVINGS THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT OF OR ANY OF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT HER REQUEST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON? YES.
DID I TALK ABOUT PRINTING? YES.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT
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YES, CORRECT.AND I HAVE THOSE FIGURES HERE IF YOU NEED.
THAT'S AMAZING, ISN'T IT? I SEE THOSE WHAT I WANTED TO GUESS ABOUT, WELL THAT'S NOT EVEN BALLOT PRINTING, THAT'S JUST OUR FORMS. UM, IT'S, WE HAVE A MASS MAIL OUT OF VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS THAT IS REQUIRED THIS YEAR.
UM, THE STATE CHANGES THE COLOR ON THOSE CARDS AND REQUIRES A MASS MAIL OUT EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO THAT'S AN EXPENSE THAT'S 40,000 OF IT ON ITS OWN.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THE ESTIMATE FROM F Y 21 WHERE WE WERE 30,000 LESS VOTERS.
CHANGE THE COLOR EVERY YEAR 'CAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA ILLEGALLY VOTE WITH WRONG.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE WILL TRY TO SAVE WHERE WE CAN IN THESE ITEMS. JUST LIKE WE HAVE TRIED TO SAVE IN PERSONNEL THROUGHOUT ELECTIONS.
IF SOMETHING'S NOT BUSY, WE SEND SOMEBODY HOME.
IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE FORMS AND WE WANNA ORDER JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF THIS AT FIRST AND THEN SUPPLEMENT IT LATER AND THAT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE, WE'LL DO THAT.
UM, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT WORST CASE SCENARIO BECAUSE THE WORST THING I CAN DO IS COME IN HERE AND GIVE YOU AN UNDERFUNDED NUMBER AND THEN COME BACK AND ASK YOU FOR MORE MONEY.
WELL YOU HAD PROVIDED ADEQUATE VOTES AND MACHINES AND LOCATIONS.
THAT'S REQUIRED AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS? LOOKED OVER HER REQUEST.
ANYTHING NEW MS. HANDY? UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING IT WOULD BE IN MY PERSONNEL, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY ADDING A SECOND PART-TIMER.
UM, THE COST BRANDY HAD GIVEN ME INITIALLY FOR A PART-TIMER WAS 74 68.
SO WE WOULD BE PUSHING THAT ABOUT $2,500 MORE TO SPLIT THAT BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM GOING INTO OVERTIME DURING A SHORT WEEK.
DID Y'ALL ALREADY FIGURE THAT IN NOT THE 2,500? NO.
SO IT COST US MORE IF WE DO OVERTIME OR COMP TIME, IT WOULD RUN US MORE OVERTIME IN THE LONG RUN.
I'M HOPING WE CAN SAVE IT OVERALL.
BUT AGAIN, WITH PRIMARY ELECTIONS, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT INFLUX OF VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS COME FEBRUARY AND THAT CUTOFF DATE ONCE IT HITS, WE'RE STILL GETTING CARDS FROM THE STATE WHEN EARLY VOTING'S STARTING.
SO ANYBODY WHO'S NOT IN THAT SYSTEM, THEY CAN'T VOTE IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE SYSTEM.
AND TO GET THEM IN THE SYSTEM, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF INPUT.
JUST PLUG IN THE 25 THAT MAKES SENSE TO Y'ALL.
IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE DON'T USE IT.
AND WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF IT THIS YEAR.
WE DIDN'T BRING A PART-TIMER IN, SO, AND WE DIDN'T FILL OUR FULL-TIME POSITION AND WE JUST NOW POSTED THAT.
SO WE SAVED ON SOME INSURANCE THERE AS WELL.
IT'S REALLY NOT LEGAL, IT'S JUST A, I GET THESE EMAILS WHEN WE GET CLOSE TO VOTING, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD, I'D ASK, THAT'S WHY THEY NEVER WANT ME TO COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THE, THE, UH, SOFTWARE ELECTION SOFTWARE HERE, LIKE VOTE, SEE, EASY VOTE.
DOES IT DO PURGING AND I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT.
CLEANING UP THE VOTER ROLL DUPLICATES.
EASY VOTE IS NOT AN ELECTION SOFTWARE THAT DOES THAT.
EASY VOTE IS SPECIFIC TO OUR INVENTORY.
IT'S DO YOU HAVE A SOFTWARE THAT DOES THAT? THAT WOULD BE OUR TEX SOFTWARE.
TELL ME ABOUT, DO YOU MIND, I JUST ASK 'CAUSE LAST ME NO, TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
SO SOMEBODY ASKED ME TO SAY WE ALREADY HAVE THAT 'CAUSE I GET ABOUT THREE OR FOUR SUGGESTIONS.
SO OUR SYSTEM IS INTEGRATED WITH THE STATE SYSTEM.
WE DO IMPORTS AND EXPORTS DAILY THROUGH EACH OTHER.
WE CROSS REFERENCE INTERSTATE REPORTS, CROSS STATE REPORTS.
SO OUR DATA'S CONSISTENTLY SCRUBBED OKAY.
AND WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT THOUGH THAT YOU SAID? VMAX.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO AN N C O A PROCESS YEARLY THROUGH OUR VENDOR WHERE THEY TAKE OUR DATA, WE BUMP IT AGAINST ANYBODY WHO HAS NOTIFIED THE POST OFFICE, THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR ADDRESS.
FROM THERE WE SEND OUT CONFIRMATION CARDS.
WE JUST SENT OUT 5,634 OF THOSE IN JUNE.
SO I CAN RESPOND, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE TRUTHFULLY, WE ALREADY ARE DOING THAT.
WE USE THE A VM A SOFTWARE TO HELP SCRUB THOSE ELECTION ROLES.
FOR DUPLICATES, DEATHS, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED OUTTA COUNTY.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL PROCESS THAT YOU JUST LISTED AS THE NC N C O A.
BUT WE ALSO, WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE STATE.
THE STATE PUSHES OUR UPDATES DOWN DAILY.
AND WE RUN A SYNC FILE MONTHLY.
JUST TO ENSURE NOTHING HAS BEEN MISSED.
BECAUSE WHAT I AM AN WHAT I'M ANTICIPATING BY THOSE QUESTIONS THEY'RE ASKING ME IS PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT
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ARE, YOU KNOW, TELLING PEOPLE NOW THE ELECTION IS YOU NEED TO GET THIS, THIS IS KIND OF SOFTWARE YOU NEEDING.THEN WHEN I DID A LAWYER, I, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THESE PEOPLE BEFORE AND I THOUGHT AS I CAME IN, I THOUGHT, I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS.
AND I'M, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO RELEASE OUR VOTER DATA IN DETAIL TO A THIRD PARTY LIKE THAT.
WHAT PAGE DEAL? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GONNA TELL ME THIS? HOLD ON.
JUST SPENT TRYING TO FIND YOUR PAGE HERE.
UM, WE SEEN, WE'VE GOT A SHORTFALL IN OUR FUEL BUDGET AND UH, EVERYBODY GOT WHAT I GIVE EVERYBODY.
YOU GOT TWO? NO, THEY HAVE TWO.
WELL, DID YOU STAPLE? NO, THERE'S WHERE IT WENT.
IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON TO GIVE IT TO.
NOT GETTING IN TROUBLE TODAY FOR NOT GIVING KAREN ONE
SO I GUESS WE'LL START REAL QUICK IF YOU DON'T MIND.
WE JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ROOFS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, PLEASE.
UM, SO THE ROOFING, THE TEAR OFF'S BEEN COMPLETED AT JUVENILE PROBATION.
SO, UH, WE'RE BACK TO THE DRIED IN STAGE.
UM, THEY NEED ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO FINISH UP ON THE ROOFS AND THEN ABOUT A WEEK TO DO ALL THE CLEANUP.
SO THREE WEEKS, THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY DONE WITH ALL THREE ROOFS.
UM, THAT'S THE ANNEX, THE COURTHOUSE AND JUVENILE PROBATION.
UM, AS FOR THE FLOOD, WE HAD A LITTLE FLOOD THERE AND THE, UH, COURTHOUSE, THEY'VE GOTTEN QUOTES FOR NEW CARPET AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO BE INSTALLED.
UH, THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK, BRING UP THE DATE AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM MAY NOT KNOW.
SO, UM, ON THE COURTHOUSE, THEY HAD SOME ROOF DRAINS WHEN THEY REDID THE COURTHOUSE WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON REDOING THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, SOME OF THE ROOF DRAINS WHERE THE, THE MATERIAL BUTTS UP TO THE ROOF DRAINS.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT WASN'T SEALED UP REAL GOOD AND IT LEAKED IN BETWEEN THE ROOF DRAIN AND THE, THE MEMBRANE.
IT'S A MODIFIED ROOF, SO IT LEAKED IN BETWEEN THERE.
SO IN, IN CASEY BLAIR'S COURTROOM, IT, IT HAD A PRETTY GOOD, HE GOT WASHED, HE GOT PRETTY GOOD WATER STANDING IN THERE.
SO IT, IT WAS UM, WOULD YOU SAY PROBABLY TWO THIRDS, TWO THIRDS OF THE COURTROOM? OR AT LEAST HALF? THIS IS THE OLD COURTHOUSE.
SO IT LEAKED THROUGH THERE AND THEN IT SEEPED DOWN AND WENT INTO JUDGE'S OFFICE AND THEN SEEPED DOWN AND WENT INTO THE OLD DA'S OFFICE.
BUT LUCKILY ENOUGH THE, UH, THE MAIN DAMAGE PART WAS THE THIRD FLOOR WHERE IT HAD ALL THE WATER STANDING.
SO THEY DID THAT ALL ON THEMSELVES.
THEY BROUGHT IN DEHUMIDIFIERS FANS, THEY VACUUMED IT ALL UP, GOT EVERYTHING CLEANED UP.
I MEAN, SAME DAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THIS WAS, THIS HAPPENED WHEN IT DID
SO WE'VE SEEN THAT NOW RATHER THAN THIS FALL WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND EVERYBODY'S GONE.
UM, SO IT ACTUALLY, IT RESOLVED A WELL AND TWO, WE'RE GETTING A NEW FLOOR THAT DOESN'T COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY.
WE'RE GETTING IT NEEDED TO BE DONE ANYWAY.
SO THE NEW ROOFS, I THOUGHT WE COULD'VE LIVED WITH ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LITTLE ISSUE HERE TOO, UH, WHEN THEY DID THIS ROOF.
THERE'S THE DECKING ONE BY 10 SLATS OR ONE BY 12 SLATS.
AND IN BETWEEN 'EM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OLD AND THEY'RE REALLY DRIED UP.
SO THERE WAS LIKE GAPS IN BETWEEN THEM AND STUFF.
AND THERE WAS A LITTLE RAIN THAT CAME AND THEY ENDED UP GETTING MISS THERESA'S OFFICE.
SO THEY IMMEDIATELY FIXED THAT.
I MEAN, SO THEY, THEY RIPPED ALL THE ROOF OUT OR THE CEILING OUTTA HER OFFICE, PUT ALL NEW CEILING TILE IN, NEW CEILING GRID, NEW LOTS.
SO I MEAN, THE GUYS, THEY TOOK VERY GOOD CARE OF DOING EVERYTHING.
SO, I MEAN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM FIXING IT WHEN THEY MESSED UP.
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UM, SO THEY'VE DONE A, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.THEY WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN THEIR WORK.
SO THEY'VE, SO WITHIN THREE WEEKS HERE, WE SHOULD BE WRAPPING UP WITH ALL THE ROOFS.
YOU DON'T MIND THAT WITH THE ROOF LICKING AT YOUR PLACE ANYMORE, DO YOU? NO.
I'M GLAD THEY FIX
HE'S GOING TO, HE'S GONNA, HE'S GONNA DRY UP AND SPRING.
UM, ANY OTHER UPDATES YOU WOULD LIKE? GO AHEAD AND GO WITH YOU HERE? OKAY, SO, UM, LAST TIME I WAS HERE I HAD BROUGHT UP TO YOU GUYS THAT ARE JANITORIAL SUPPLIES.
WAS WAS, UH, LIKE IT WAS HURTING OUR BUDGET PRETTY BAD BASED OFF OF THE JUSTICE CENTER.
UH, THE JUSTICE CENTER WAS JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S 26 OR 27, 27 BATHROOMS AT THE JUSTICE CENTER.
SO WITH 27 BATHROOMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF TOILET PAPER.
AND THE, UH, THE ITEMS THAT WERE SPECKED FOR THAT, UM, IT REQUIRES LIKE THESE MULTI-FOLD TOWELS THAT I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL USED OVER THERE.
BUT THOSE TOWELS ARE NOT CHEAP.
I MEAN, IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY A TOWEL ON A ROLL.
SO, SO THAT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
AND THE COMPANY WE USE IS ON THE BUYBOARD.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING OUR BEST PRICING BASED OFF OF BUYBOARD PRICING.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAD THAT AT 65,000 WHEN I CAME TO YOU GUYS PREVIOUSLY.
AND, UH, WE, WE JUST KEEP TRANSFERRING MONEY.
MS. KAREN KNOWS FROM OTHER LINE ITEMS THAT I HAVE TO HELP COVER THAT.
AND I THINK WE FEEL COMFORTABLE AT 80 THAT, THAT SHOULD COVER US KNOWING THAT THE EXPANSION'S COMING ONLINE WITH AND THE K O YES SIR.
AND THAT'S WHAT ME AND CASEY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY.
I, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAD ASKED ME THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE HOW MANY BATHROOMS ARE GONNA BE IN THE EXPANSION AND I TOLD YOU THE INCORRECT NUMBER.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY 12, 12 ADDITIONAL BATHROOMS OVER AT THE EXPANSION.
I DON'T, I DON'T SUPPOSE THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE TYPE OF, UH YEAH.
WHY NOT? BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BOUGHT.
THEY ALREADY HAD EVERYTHING THERE.
EVEN THE, THE EXPANSION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE CAN DISCUSS TOO, THE EXPANSION'S LOOKING TO BE DONE END OF AUGUST.
WE'LL BE MOVING PEOPLE IN PROBABLY.
HOW ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE, THE SUBSTATION THOUGH? SUBSTATION? WE COULD CHANGE THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'D BE CHEAPER TO HAVE THE, BUT THEY'RE MOVING, THEY'RE MOVING REALLY QUICK ON THAT TOO.
BUT I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT HAD KIND OF PAPER AND IT COST A LOT LESS.
WOULD IT? AND, AND I DON'T WANT, DID THEY PUT, CAN HAVE PAPER WALLS OVER THERE IF WE WANT TO? DID THEY ALREADY PUT TWO UNITS IN IN THE YES.
WELL, MAKING SOME TREE FARMER HAPPY, REALLY.
UM, SO ON OUR GAS AND OIL WITH, WITH OUR LAWN MAINTENANCE, MAN, IT'S EATING OUR FUEL UP.
I MEAN, WITH HIM MOWING, I MEAN IT'S ALMOST DAILY.
HE'S FILLING UP, YOU KNOW, 15 GALLONS OF GAS DAILY MOWING.
UM, BUT WITH OUR EXTRA VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE CAN HAVE PUT, EVERYBODY'S GOT A VEHICLE, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
SO NOW EVERYBODY HAS A VEHICLE SO THEY CAN GO AND YEAH.
SO THANK YOU TERRY FOR YOUR HELP WITH THAT.
BOTH OF YOU GUYS HELPED US OUT.
SO ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR STAFF HAS A VEHICLE NOW THAT CAN GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
AND THAT, THAT WILL COVER OUR NEEDS THERE.
THAT WAS OUR TWO MAJOR, UH, UPDATES THAT I WANTED TO BRING BACK TO YOU GUYS.
AND, UH, I KNOW MEN COMMISSIONER HUNT HAD BEEN TALKING ALSO ABOUT, UM, REMODELING THE FAIRGROUNDS.
AND THAT'S GOT, YOU GOT 400,000.
IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE ENOUGH? 'CAUSE WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR PAST BUDGETS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS WHAT, 758 THIS YEAR AND THEN LAST YEAR WAS 1,000,003 AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS 1,000,001.
I'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED SOME OF THAT FOR MINUTES.
IT'S JUST NOT BEEN PRINTED OUT YET.
'CAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS, I APPRECIATE THE SAVINGS, BUT NO, NO.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT DIDN'T NONE HAVE THE SALARIES IN IT.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU SEE THAT.
DON'T THINK OF THE REST OF THAT.
DO WE NOT USE UPPER MONEY TO DO THAT, SIR? SHOULD YOU NOT USE OPERA MONEY TO DO THAT? WE CAN.
I MEAN THAT'S, I THOUGHT WELL I, THAT'S ONE THING I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
NOW, UH, THE WATER AND THE SEWER ON THIS, THERE'S
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NO QUESTIONS.WAIT UNTIL IT FIRST, IT SHOULDN'T COST WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A WHOLE BUILDING TO REDO 'EM WHERE LONG IT'S TRUE.
WELL I THINK WHAT HE PUT IN HERE WAS 75,000.
75,000 TO REMODEL, TO FRESHEN UP THE KITCHEN.
THE BATHROOMS 'CAUSE THE, THE PLACE IS DEPLORABLE.
AND WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMING IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT IT'S A JOKE, FRANKLY.
I MEAN, WE CAN PUT IN A FALL CEILING, WE CAN FRESH IT UP, REPAIR ALL THE STUFF TO WHERE THE KITCHEN'S USABLE.
AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING A LOT OF MONEY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER WE USE OUR MONEY, WE USE BUDGET MONEY, BUT SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE OUT THERE.
AND I, I KNOW WE HAVE GRAND PLANS OR, OR SOME PEOPLE DO AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T TO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY WOULD BE PROUD OF.
YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING IN, IN THE, IN THE MEANTIME TO KEEP THE PLACE FUNCTIONING.
WE CAN'T JUST LET IT GO DOWN TO WE GOT ALL, BUT ONE THING THAT ME AND YOU HAD DISCUSSED WAS, WAS GETTING SEWER AND WATER.
SO AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE, THE SOUTH CAMPUS HAS BEEN SOLD.
SO THE WATER METER FOR THE POOR FARM AND FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS IS ALL RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SOUTH CAMPUS BUILDING.
REALLY? UM, IT'S A SEPARATE METER, BUT IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN IN FRONT OF THE SOUTH CAMPUS, WHICH DOESN'T SERVE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT 700 FOOT OF WATERLINE RUNNING ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE TO SUPPLY THAT, THAT FACILITY.
AND ONE THING THAT ME AND ME AND MIKE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY 75,000 DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS.
AND THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO TO MENTION WAS TRYING TO USE, MAYBE USE SOME ARPA MONEY TO DO THE SEWER AND WATER DOWN THERE AT THE, UH, FAIRGROUNDS.
NOW THAT THE DEVELOPER'S BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, UM, I ALREADY SPOKE TO THE CITY.
HE'S TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE SEWER ON OUR SIDE.
IF NOT, THEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UNDERNEATH THE ROAD TO GET TO IT.
BUT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT WHOLE AREA ACROSS THE STREET ALREADY.
SO HE'S LIKE, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN ALL KINDS OF STUFF ANYWAY.
SO IF YOU WERE GONNA DO IT, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT, YOU KNOW? YES SIR.
IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER FOR US TO DO IT NOW THAN TO GO BACK AND DO IT LATER.
SO THAT'S ONE THING I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT.
ONE OF THE FIRST LINES WITH ARBA MONEY IS UPGRADE UTILITIES, WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES.
THIS WILL DEFINITELY BE AN UPGRADE.
WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT, THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WAS, WAS THE DEAL BEFORE IT GOT CONVOLUTED TO WHERE YOU CAN BUILD AND HOUSES AND DOG HOUSES,
I LIVE DOWN THAT WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S 200 KIDS OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ON FAIRDAY WHEN, WHEN THE KIDS COUNTY ON FAIRDAY, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU THROW THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR GRANDPARENTS, WHOEVER'S, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE OUT THERE USING A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT TELLS YOU THAT HOW MUCH PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD WITH THAT SYSTEM OUT THERE.
IT'S TIME TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT AND MM-HMM.
I THINK NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR BOBBY? NO, BUT IT, AS LONG AS YOU THINK THE 75,000, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN MAKE A TREMENDOUS CHANGE.
WITH THAT BUILDING WITH 75,000, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A DROP CEILING LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP KEEP THE AC IN THERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S, IT'S MADE IS THE HEAT, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT RISES, WHATEVER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S NOT EFFICIENT.
NOT HAVING A CEILING IN IT, YOU KNOW, SO PUT A CEILING IN IT, BUT A, YOU KNOW, SOME INSULATION ON TOP OF THESE TILES, UM, THAT WOULD HELP WITH AC AND THEN ALSO UPDATING THE KITCHEN AND THE BATHROOMS. THE BATHROOMS ARE HORRIBLE OVER THERE.
I MEAN, UM, YOU WOULDN'T USE 'EM.
THAT WAS OUT OF OUR, UH, REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY.
WELL THAT'S WHY WE LOVE MISS KAREN.
SO IT'S JUST, BUT THE, THE, THE ARPA MONEY WILL SPECIFICALLY COVER THE WATER AND THE SEWER.
I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE CITY RIGHT NOW TO GET A PRICE TO SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO DO THE SEWER AND WATER.
SO AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT, I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM AND GET IT FOR FREE.
WHAT ELSE? I, I THINK ON THE BACK, VERY BACK PAGE THERE, UH, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT TITLE? UH, DO YOU HAVE A TITLE? MAN, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW WHAT MY TITLE IS MS. KAREN SUPERVISOR.
AINT WAS WE CALL YOU A LOT OF STUFF.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
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I THINK MINE SUPERVISOR AND CASEY'S HIS MANAGER RIGHT NOW.I KNOW WE DID AND WE NEVER DID ANYTHING.
NOBODY EVER DID A PAYROLL STATUS CHANGE FORM.
JUDGE AND I HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING OF THAT, REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GO TO THE BACK PAGE, JUDGE, UM, ONE THING ME AND YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS A NEW ROOF ON THAT BUILDING DOWN THERE IN KEMP.
AND I HAVE IN HERE AS WELL, 50,000 TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON THERE.
AND IT NEEDS A NEW ROOF LIKE SOONER THAN LATER.
I MEAN THE STORMS MAN, THERE'S ALWAYS
YEAH, WELL IF WE PUT A METAL ONE ON THERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT FOR 30 YEARS.
ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON THAT SEAMLESS ONE ON THAT ONE AND WE'LL WORK ON THE, WE'LL WORK ON THE BACK PAGE LATER.
WHO WANTS TO BE NEXT? COME ON.
UH, I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE, UH, I THINK YOU ASKED ME DID IF I HAD A QUOTE FOR A NEW VEHICLE AND I DID GET A QUOTE THROUGH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.
UH, AS FOR A TAHOE AND AN EXPLORER, THE TAHOE IS FOR 54,000 PLUS FREIGHT AND THEN THE EXPLORER IS FOUR TO 1000 WE FIND WITH EITHER CAR WE'RE JUST GONNA WHO WE NEED ONE.
WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE CAR THAT'S UH OKAY.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE LEASE? YEAH.
IS THIS GONNA BE A PURCHASE OR A LEASE? IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A PURCHASE.
SO HOW OLD IS THE CAR YOU HAVE NOW WITH 170,000 MILES? IT'S 2012 MODEL.
SO IT'S 10 YEARS, 11 YEARS OLD.
IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL RUNNING
SO OVER THE LONG HAUL IT'D BE CHEAPER TO BUY IT.
BUT THAT MANY, THAT MANY YEARS GETTING GOODY OUT OF IT.
IS STATE GONNA HELP PAY FOR THIS? WELL, THE STATE I HAVEN'T REQUESTED THE ONE GOOD THING I DID FIND OUT THIS MORNING I WAS REQUESTING A RAISE FOR MY TWO OFFICE WORKERS AND I TAUGHT WHICH STATE THIS MORNING AND I CAN USE STATE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO I WAS GONNA CHANGE THAT AROUND.
I JUST FIGURED THAT OUT THIS MORNING.
SO IT WON'T BE NO COST TO THE COUNTY.
WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD, GOOD DEAL.
CAN YOU ASK THE STATE IF THEY'LL BUY A VEHICLE BY I I SURE CAN.
WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE FOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
JUST THOSE TWO ITEMS. ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL PLUG IN THE EXPLORER IF THE STATE WILL PAY FOR IT AND WE'LL TAKE IT OUT.
AND I WILL CHECK WITH THAT AND KNOW FOR SURE AND I JUST SENT OUT AN EMAIL AND EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THE STATE SAY.
AND ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH THE PURCHASE AND STUFF? YEAH.
PAUL ASKS IF YOU CAN TELL US YOUR PAGE NUMBER, IF YOU CAN TELL US YOUR PAGE NUMBER, YOU CAN COME UP.
IF NOT, YOU GOTTA STAY SEAT, YOU GOTTA STAY BACK.
HOW MANY PAGES
SO THE BIG ASKS THIS YEAR ARE FOUR MORE STAFF.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TRYING TO ADD FOUR MORE PART-TIME POSITIONS, UM, AS WELL AS ONE FULL-TIME INVESTIGATOR AND A FULL-TIME INSPECTOR.
UH, THE WORKLOAD'S DEFINITELY THERE.
UH, WE'RE SEEING LOTS OF GROWTH, ESPECIALLY ON THE, UH, INSPECTION SIDE.
UM, WHAT WE REALIZED WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE IS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE BEING ISSUED AND IT MAY HAVE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO 62 BUILDINGS UNDERNEATH THAT PERMIT.
SO IN REALITY WE HAVE 300 PLUS BUILDINGS THAT WERE ACTIVE PROJECTS, EACH ONE OF THOSE NEEDING INSPECTIONS.
SO, UM, GETTING THE TWO FULL-TIME INSPECTORS IS, UH, DEFINITELY GONNA BE A NECESSITY JUST TO KEEP UP WITH, UH, THE GROWTH IN, IN BUILDING.
SO HOW MANY NEW BUILDINGS DID WE DO LAST THIS, THIS YEAR SO FAR? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR SURE.
UM, USE NUMBER THREE, HUNDREDS ON 'EM.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE, LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ACTIVE PERMITS OVER 300.
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WORKING ON TRANSFERRING SOME STUFF FROM THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW, SO.SO IF YOU PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, YOU GET ONE PERSON, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE AN INSPECTOR.
YEAH, WE, UH, WE HAVE A BIG NEED FOR THE, IN THE INVESTIGATOR AS WELL.
UM, ONE INVESTIGATOR BEING ON CALL, WE CAN MAX OUT OUR COMP TIME WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
UM, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE TOWARDS THAT 24 HOUR COVERAGE JUST TO, UM, MAKE SURE WE HAVE AVAILABILITY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BURNING OUT OUR EMPLOYEES.
UM, ESPECIALLY DURING BURN BANDS AND UM, UH, ACTIVE WILDFIRE SEASON.
YOU'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO THAT TOO.
I'LL PROBABLY BE BACK NEXT WEEK.
OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION ON, UH, YOUR INVESTIGATORS? YES SIR.
I MEAN YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ON CALL FOR 24 HOURS.
DO YOU, WHENEVER SOMETHING, THEY PUNCH OUT A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT IN CAMAN COUNTY, DO Y'ALL IMMEDIATELY RESPOND? UH, IT DEPENDS.
UH, NORMAL, DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, YES.
UM, AT NIGHT WE TYPICALLY LISTEN FOR THEIR SIZE UP FIRST TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY ANYTHING TO IT.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE IS ACT OF FIRE, WE RESPOND.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DO HONESTLY AND IMMEDIATELY, UH, GETTING A CONSENT TO SEARCH, INTERVIEWING WITNESSES, TAKING INITIAL PHOTOGRAPHS BEFORE THINGS ARE TORN DOWN.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE THERE WHILE FIREFIGHTERS ARE THERE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT.
WELL, I, I REALIZE THAT THAT'S WHAT
I MEAN, MAYBE IF YOU GIVE THEM SOME, SOME TYPE OF CAUSE AND ORIGIN TRAINING WHERE THEY CAN MAKE COMMON SENSE DECISIONS ALONG WITH WHAT TRAINING YOU HAVE.
'CAUSE LOTS OF TIMES YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
'CAUSE SOME OF THESE VOLUNTEERS HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE THAN SOME OF THE PAINT GUYS.
AND THEY CAN DO AN EASY SOLVE.
BUT IF IT'S COMPLICATED WHILE THEY STILL ARE THERE AT THE SCENE AND HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCENE BEFORE THEY LEAVE, IF THEY'RE NEEDED TO CALL YOU AND RESPOND, IT MIGHT CUT BACK ON A LOT OF YOUR COMP TIME, EVERYTHING ELSE.
INSTEAD OF JUST RESPONDING THE FLAMES SHOWING, I ASSUME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU LOAD UP AND YOU GO RIGHT NOW, MAYBE YOU WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF TO FIGURE OUT BEFORE YOU GO AND VOLUNTEER YOUR SERVICES.
SO WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT BEING PROACTIVE WITH RESPONSE.
UM, THEY'RE REALLY LIKING THAT.
UM, THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THAT IS INSURANCE COMPANIES, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENTS AREN'T GONNA GENERATE FIRE INVESTIGATION REPORTS.
UM, AND SO FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES, US GOING OUT DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING, IT HAS TO BE AN INVESTIGATOR, UM, PER NFP 10 33 IN ORDER TO BE QUALIFIED TO DO THAT.
UM, SO EVEN A BASIC ORIGIN AND CAUSE CLASS FOR, UH, FOR FIREFIGHTERS ISN'T GONNA MEET THAT, THAT QUALIFICATION.
IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU GO IN THERE AND THEY DETERMINE THAT IT WAS CAUSED BY THAT IRON, THERE'S NO REASON TO CALL YOU.
LET THE INSURANCE COMPANY COME OUT AND DETERMINE THAT IT WAS THERE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING STRANGE AND ALL THE FURNITURE'S OUTTA THE HOUSE, BUT THE HOUSE IS BURNING, SURE.
THEY SURE CALL YOU BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED.
BUT IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING SIMPLE, THERE'S NO REASON TO BE CALLING YOU AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I YOU DOING THE INSURANCE JOB FOR 'EM ON OUR DIME IS RIDICULOUS TOO.
SO JUST 'CAUSE YOU'RE CERTIFIED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEY'VE GOT CERTIFIED PEOPLE, THEY'LL COME OUT AND DO THE SAME THING IF IT'S A COMMON SENSE TYPE ACCIDENT.
UH, WHAT YOU SAYING IF A LICENSE STRIKE HEAD SOMETHING CATCH ON FIRE, DO YOU GO OUT? UH, YEAH.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT LIGHTNING CAUSED A FIRE UNTIL WE INVESTIGATE.
IT'S JUST LIKE DURING THE DAY, IF YOU START CHASING THE FIRE TRUCKS EVERY TIME THE TONE DROPS, IT'S KIND HARD TO GET YOUR INSPECTIONS DONE OR YOUR PAPERWORK OR WHATEVER FOR INSPECTORS AND INVESTIGATORS.
AND I REALIZE IT'S YOUR DEPARTMENT, SO I'M QUESTIONING YOU ABOUT THE MONEY IT COSTS TO, TO, TO DO ALL THIS SURE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE.
YOU'RE REALLY OFFERING, YOU'RE GOING OVER AND ABOVE AND, AND IT'S COOL.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NICE, BUT IF YOU'RE REALLY STRAIGHT INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT AND NOT TAKING CARE OF THE OTHER STUFF FOR THIS LUXURY STUFF.
WELL, ONE OF THE ADDED BENEFITS OF HAVING THE INVESTIGATORS ON DUTY IS IF THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO CALLS, THAT'S ANOTHER PERSON THAT WE CAN BE USING FOR INSPECTIONS WHERE THEY'RE MOST LIKELY ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT GOES ON WITH INVESTIGATIONS, UH, RUNNING CRIMINAL HISTORIES, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, INSURANCE CLAIM HISTORY, THINGS THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.
AND SO, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY COOKING FIRES
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I'VE RESPONDED TO.IT LOOKS LIKE A COOKING FIRE, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY AN INTENTIONALLY SET FIRE WHERE THERE'S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE INVOLVED.
UM, SO WE HAD TO BE, I HAVE ACCIDENTAL FIRE IN MY HOUSE.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR AN ACCIDENT? YES SIR.
WAS IT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY?
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
WHAT PAGE DID MS. RHONDA ON CHANGE YOURS TOO.
HOW COME SHE ALWAYS MUMBLES THIS AROUND ME? COME ON AGAIN.
RON MIGHT DONE VISITED ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW THEY CAN'T GET A BOOKING IN DALLAS FOR LIKE TWO YEARS.
SO THEY'RE ALL RUNNING OUT HERE NOW.
WELL, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A TOLLGATE AT THE, AT THE PARKING LOT OUT THERE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR, I KNOW IN MY ORIGINAL BUDGET I ASKED FOR FOUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A NEW COURT.
UH, I'M NOT GONNA BORE Y'ALL WITH THAT, BUT MY FIFTH ONE WOULD BE MY FULL-TIME PASSPORT PERSON.
WHICH THIS IS JUST FROM JANUARY THE FIRST TILL TODAY.
UH, JUST IN PASSPORT PHOTOS ALONE, WE'VE TAKEN IN $32,000, UH, IN THAT FEE IN THAT FUND.
UH, AND I THINK THERE'LL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF ANOTHER EMPLOYEE FOR THAT, WHICH WE REALLY NEEDED.
IF YOU'VE SEEN OUR LINE WELL THAT MAKE, YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING PASSPORTS ALL.
WELL, RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY DOES PASSPORTS.
TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE E-FILE, INCLUDING ME TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH E-FILE AND TAKE CARE OF THE COURTS.
UH, WHICH HAS BEEN A STRAIN ON US.
YOU HAVE A, CAN YOU HAVE A LINE FOR OUTTA COUNTY AND IN COUNTY IT WOULD ALL BE OUTTA COUNTY.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN C COUNTY HAS GOT A PASSPORT.
BUT I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR A PASSPORT, DO YOU HAVE AN IN COUNTY LINE OR AN OUT COUNTY LINE? SHOULD WE HAVE 'EM ALL SIGN IN? WE SHOULD.
BUT YOU TELL WHEN THEY WALK IN, THEY'RE FROM OUTTA COUNTY BECAUSE THEIR ATTITUDE
OH, THEY, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD TO WAIT IN LINE SHOWING WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA FILE THEIR PAPER WHERE THEY LIVE.
WHEN DID WE INCREASE THE FEE? THE $5? FEBRUARY, UM, SIXTH.
CAN WE, CAN WE GO UP ANOTHER 10? IT'S UP TO Y'ALL.
WE, I MEAN WE CAN GO UP AND THEY'LL PAY IT.
WHAT OTHER COUNTY'S CHARGING? I MEAN, ARE WE IN LINE? NO.
A LOT OF COUNTIES DON'T DO 'EM BECAUSE OF NOW.
I MEAN HOW IT POST OFFICE CHARGE? POST OFFICE.
RON EXPLAINED THAT THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND THEIR NEXT APPOINTMENT WAS NOVEMBER THE FIFTH FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE? THEY CHARGE THE SAME.
UH, THEY TAKE THE SAME, THEY CHARGE $35 FOR PROCESSING FEE AND THEN THE STATE, THE DEPARTMENT STATE GETS $130.
I KNOW THE TAROT POST OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY CHARGE.
UH, SEE WHERE ARE ONES STOP SHOP.
WE DO IT ALL EXCEPT FOR MONEY ORDERS.
WE DON'T DO MONEY ORDERS AND I DON'T WANNA DO MONEY ORDERS.
THAT'S, THAT CHANGED IN SEPTEMBER THE FIRST WHERE DISTRICT CLERKS CAN DO MONEY ORDERS JUST FOR PASSPORTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO LEAVE IN BIGGER COUNTIES AND GO PAY FOR PARKING, THEN COME BACK AND PAY FOR PARKING AGAIN.
SO THEY'VE CHANGED THAT SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SO AS $15, WE'RE $15 FOR THE PHOTOS, THE PHOTO.
AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER FEES IS STANDARD.
THE COUNTY GETS $35 PROCESSING FEE.
AND THEN THE STATE GETS A FEE THAT THAT'S ATTACHED.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT ABOUT 32,000 THAT YOU'VE TAKEN IN JUST, JUST FOR PHOTOS.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH PERIOD.
AND WHAT WOULD THE SALARY BE FOR THIS PERSON? UM,
WE'D BE ABLE TO COVER THAT JUST IN FEES LONG.
IT MUST NO, IT COULD GO UP ON THE FEE.
YOU SEEN IT? NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER.
COME ON A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY.
I, I SAID I THINK, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR PEOPLE LIVING.
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WE, I MEAN WE CAN'T DO THAT.WE HAVE, I MEAN IF Y'ALL TELL WE CAN'T, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T DO THAT
ARE WE, ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THE 15? I AM.
UH, IT'S MAKING THE 15 AND THEY DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, THEY DON'T BLINK AN EYE WHEN WE TELL 'EM HOW MUCH IT IS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DOES IT COST US? HOW MUCH IT, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO TAKE A PHOTO OUT OF THE $15? PROBABLY, I, WE HAVE TO BUY FILM, UH, ABOUT EVERY TWO MONTHS.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MUCH FILM THE IT TAKE.
I MEAN, AND THEN THE TIME THE EMPLOYEE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IF IF IT COSTS US $12, THEN WE SHOULD BE AT 20.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST DOUBLE OR WHATEVER 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING CONVENIENT.
NOT, NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MM-HMM.
THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO US, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND STAND AND LAND PHOTO.
I I I'M OKAY WITH USING THE MONEY TO FUND YOUR FIFTH PERSON FOR SURE.
AND THEN WE NEED TO REVISIT THE FEES.
AND MAKE SURE, GIVE US A GOOD COST ON WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS US TO DO 'EM.
OH WELL YOU KNOW, WALMART DOES THINGS JUST DRAW PEOPLE IN.
BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE ONE OF THEM FLOWER BEDS AND BUILD A KIOSK IN IT AND THEY CAN JUST BE A PASSPORT.
SO BE IT WON'T BE'S I TO PUT THE KIOSK IN PLACE.
WELL THAT, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MIKE.
ARE THERE A KIOSK FOR THIS? WE HAVE A, UH, OFFICE ON THE SIDE, UH, THAT WE DO PASSPORTS, BUT WE'RE SO BUSY THAT ONE OFFICE DIDN'T, IF THEY, IF THEY WAITED FOR THAT ONE OFFICE, THEY'D BE HERE ALL DAY.
SO, BUT THERE ARE LIKE WHERE IT'S A PEOPLE CAN DO IT THEMSELVES.
NO, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE TO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO WITNESS THEIR SIGNATURES.
UH, THEY HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH.
WE HAVE BE CERTIFIED OURSELVES.
WE HAD A SELF-SERVICE BOOTH OVER YOU AND PASSPORTS.
YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE LINE WOULD BE.
WE HAVE A, WE RIGHT? I MEAN WE KNOW WHO'S BEEN TO MY OFFICE AND WHO HASN'T NOW.
BUT ACROSS FROM MY MAIN OFFICE THERE'S A, A PASSPORT OFFICE.
THERE'S SLAM IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
MY NEXT QUESTION BE, DO YOU WANT TO DO PASSPORTS? YES.
I MEAN, ANYTHING TO BRING IN, UM, $200,000 IN SIX MONTHS FOR THE COUNTY.
SO WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE REQUEST? JUST MY FOUR.
UH, I THINK I'VE, AND I WITH THE FOUR IS GONNA COME EQUIPMENT.
I THINK WE'VE MAYBE ADDED THAT IN THERE ALREADY.
BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I DID FOR THE FOUR, BUT I HADN'T FOR THE FIFTH.
I GUESS I'LL NEED TO, UH, GO AND EX DO THAT.
'CAUSE I'LL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, WE CAN TAKE IT OUTTA THIS MONEY HERE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT IS THE MONEY.
KNOW AS A SERVICE, HE GOES INTO GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THE GUY THAT PAYING TAXES ON HIS HOUSE, YOU, ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR IT.
SO IT OUGHT TO BE, IT OUGHT TO BE CUTTING OUR TAXES.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, WELL, IT IT GOES IN GENERAL FUND.
SO WE SHOULD BE MAKING A DECENT PROFIT OFF OF WELL IT SHOULD BE PAYING FOR ITSELF AND YEAH.
AND, AND, AND REDUCING SOMETHING FOR US IN EXCHANGE.
SHE'S NOT JUST USING ONE EMPLOYEE.
SHE SAID ALL, ALL I MEAN THEY ARE.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT IT'S REALLY COSTING US MORE THAN WHAT THIS IS PRODUCING IN A SENSE.
WELL, AND WE DO THAT JUST SO WE CAN GET 'EM IN AND OUT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT I'M IN IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, STAND AROUND, SPEED THINGS UP AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG.
AND THE SHORTER THE LINE IS, THE MORE PEOPLE COME.
JUST LIKE EVERYBODY GOES DOWN TO ATHENS, GETS THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE TO ONE DAY AND SAY, WHEN WE WENT TO ATHENS AND SAID, OH, IT WAS A FIVE HOUR WAIT.
I SAID, WELL THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY KEEP ADVERTISING ON FACEBOOK.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING WITH US.
THEY'RE ADVERTISING ON FACEBOOK AND THERE'S SOME BLOG OUT THAT WE'RE ON AND IT TELLS PEOPLE COME TO KAUFFMAN.
I SAW IT ON NEWS THE OTHER DAY.
SO TO HELP, YOU KNOW, NO KAMAN DPS OFFICE IS THE BEST ONE TO GO TO.
WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON WHAT YOU CAN CHARGE ON THAT
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PASSPORT? ON THE PASSPORTS ITSELF? YEAH.BUT THE PHOTOS, WE CAN CHARGE WHATEVER EACH COURT TELL US.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE.
JUST TRYING TO KEEP 'EM ALL STRAIGHT.
WHATEVER Y'ALL TELL ME TO CHARGE IS WHAT I CAN CHARGE 25.
JUST PAY THE $50 BILL AND THEY'RE DONE.
TERESA'S SITTING OUT THERE FOR SOME REASON.
OH, HE CAN'T SEE OVER THE PODIUM.
LISTEN, THE OLD RETIRED, I MEAN THE OLD
THEY GO TO WALMART AND GET HIM SOME MORE GLASSES.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T MAKE 'EM AS STRONG.
HEY, I GOT SOME WHOLE COKE BOTTLES AND ALL.
WELL, I THINK AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, IF WE GET MR. DA'S ATTENTION, WERE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, WE NEED, UH, ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, JUDGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO INTO A CLOSED OR EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT IF IT'S POSTED OR NOT POSTED, IF IT'S RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE THAT YOU'RE SEEKING UNDER THE OPEN MEETING ACT 5, 5 1 1 29.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES, MA'AM.
WELL YOU NEED THAT'S, WE NEED TO ASK THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING THAT? I'M ASKING THAT.
THAT'S WHAT, SO I NEED A MOTION.
BUT WE NEED THE AUDITOR TO STAY AND MS. D EIGHT TO STAY OBVIOUSLY.
I, I WAS JUST GONNA STEP DOWN THE HALL IF THAT WAS OKAY.
CAN I GO DOWN THE HALL? I WON'T BE LONG.