Nov 07, 2023 Commissioners Court

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALRIGHT, NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, MS. LAURA.

WE HAVE A VERY SPECIAL GUEST WITH US TODAY AND THAT WOULD BE MR. UH, ANDREW.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

WELL,

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

WHERE THERE HE IS.

RIGHT THERE.

ALRIGHT.

I TELL YOU WHAT, YOU KNOW DURING THE HARVEST FESTIVAL WE HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE AND THEY HAD THEIR CHILDREN TRY AND ANSWER FIRE SAFETY QUESTIONS AND MR. ANDREW GOT MOST OF THEM RIGHT.

SO HE WAS THE WINNER OF THE CONTEST.

AND SO FOR YOU KNOWING SO MUCH AND LEARNING SO WELL, WE HAVE SPARKY HERE TODAY TO PRESENT YOU AN AWARD.

SO IF YOU WILL COME FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPARKY COME UP HERE WITH YOU AND YOUR MOM CAN COME.

THEN WE'RE ALL GOING TO COME RIGHT DOWN FRONT, DOWN HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A PICTURE.

OKAY? SO GUYS, IF Y'ALL WILL, LET'S ALL GO DOWN.

GET MY HANDS UP THERE.

FOLD IT UP.

READY? I'M SEEING KNEES.

OKAY, MOM, YOUR TURN.

THANK YOU MR. ANDREW .

OKAY,

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

WE WILL GO NOW TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE A, B, AND C.

Y'ALL ALL HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THESE.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THEM? NOPE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS 'EM.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HU, MAKE SECOND.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

WE'RE GONNA PASS ON NUMBER THREE.

WE WILL GO TO NUMBER

[4. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Consider Re-Plat of Lot 3 of Bliss Meadows located off County Road 4102 in Precinct 4.]

FOUR.

MS. SHANNON RODIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER REPLANT OF LOT THREE OF BLISS MEADOWS LOCATED OFF COUNTY ROAD 41 0 2 IN PRECINCT FOUR.

YES MA'AM.

GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

SO LOT THREE OF BLISS MEADOWS IS ABOUT 34.28 ACRES AND THE OWNER'S REPLANTING THAT INTO EIGHT LOTS.

AND THOSE LOTS RANGE FROM 1.3 TO 2.4 ACRES AND AS SHOWN ON THE PLAT LOT THREE IS JUST OVER 21 AND A HALF ACRES.

AND THAT'S BEING RETAINED BY THE OWNER FOR PERSONAL USE.

ALL APPROVING AUTHORITIES HAVE REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF ON THE REVISED PLATT AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MOORE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

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I HAD A GENTLEMAN COME INTO THE OFFICE.

MM-HMM.

, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK WHEN WE APPROVED ANOTHER PLATT.

AND ONE OF HIS CONCERNS WAS IS HEY, YOU GUYS APPROVED A PLATT AND DIDN'T ASK ONE QUESTION AND THAT BOTHERED HIM.

SO I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE PACKET THAT YOU GUYS DO.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU GUYS DO, UH, AND LET HIM SEE THAT WE DO REVIEW THESE PACKETS AND THAT IT'S A VERY EXTENSIVE, UH, PROCEDURE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET APPROVED.

SO WE THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT FOR US, BUT I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST A VOTE, NOBODY'S LOOKED INTO IT.

SO EACH ONE OF US GET THE PACKET AND GET TO REVIEW IT.

SO WELL, LIKE TODAY, HERE'S THE PACKET AND IT'S PROBABLY 20 SOMETHING PAGES LONG.

YES SIR.

FOR ENGINEERS HAVE SEEN IT AND EVERYONE ELSE.

SO, SO TO FOLLOW UP, UH, BECAUSE I, I HAD SOMEONE IN CHURCH SAY ASK SOME QUESTIONS THE OTHER DAY TOO.

CAN YOU JUST KINDA, SHANNON JUST KINDA RECAP THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I TOLD 'EM TO CALL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEY HAD A CHECKLIST AND I, AND SO WOULD YOU KIND OF JUST RECAP WHAT ALL GOES ON? SURE.

UH, THE FIRST STEP IS THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONNAIRE, WHICH IS A FREE SERVICE WHERE WE DO THE RESEARCH AND, AND PROVIDE A LAND REPORT AND GIVE THEM THE NEXT STEPS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

AND THEN THEY COME IN FOR A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING.

WE TALK ABOUT THEIR CONCEPT AND THEN WE, UH, GIVE THEM AN APPLICATION PACKET.

ONCE WE GET THAT COMPLETE PACKET AND THE PAYMENT, IT GOES FOR THE FIRST REVIEW.

IT'S REVIEWED BY THE CONSULTING ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE COUNTY SURVEYOR.

AND DEPENDING ON IF THERE ARE CORRECTIONS NEEDED, IT EITHER IF'S PRESENTED TO YOU IF IT'S APPROVED OR IT GOES BACK FOR ANOTHER REVIEW AFTER CORRECTIONS ARE MADE.

AND WE JUST GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS UNTIL IT MEETS OUR REGULATIONS AND THEN WE BRING IT HERE.

AND THE, AND THE COMMISSIONERS ARE INVOLVED IN THE PRELIMINARY YES.

MEETING, ESPECIALLY OF COURSE WHEN THERE'S ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE BRING YOU GUYS TO THE TABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH THEM AND WHATEVER YOU GUYS REQUIRE.

SO IT'S A VERY THOROUGH IT IS.

LOOK AT YES.

UH, AND MONIQUE AND HER DEPARTMENT AND ALL, YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

AND IT'S APPRECIATED.

WE LEARN MORE EVERY DAY.

SO VERY THOROUGH.

I MEAN, THE FIRST THING AND FIRST STEP THEY DO IS NOTIFY THE COMMISSIONER THAT THAT'S HAPPENING IN HIS PRECINCT.

SO FOR YOUR FELLOW THAT CAME IN, YOU WERE EXAMINING THE WHOLE THING AND THE WHOLE PROCESS BEFORE IT EVER GETS HERE.

SO EVER THAT SAID, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND, AND I'LL THREE.

AND UH, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. BARB MAKES SECOND.

DISCUSS CONSIDER CONTRACTING WITH VINTAGE DESIGN GROUP FOR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES FOR THE HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE.

CAN I JUST, MR. JACK, KAREN, CAN I, CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT PROCESS? THAT IT'S A VERY, VERY THOROUGH APPLICATION PROCEDURE AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE BY STATUTE WHEN ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT BASICALLY BY STATUTE HAS TO APPROVE IT.

SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A VERY THOROUGH PROCESS INVOLVING ENGINEERS, COMMISSIONERS, EVERYBODY.

AND SO WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT IT IS AT COURT, YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND BY STATUTE YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO APPROVE IT IF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

[5. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/consider contracting with Vintage Design Group, LLC for Architectural Services for Historical Courthouse remodeling.]

YES SIR.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND AND INTRODUCE LORENA DIAZ, UH, TO THE COURT.

LOREN CAN DO LORENA DIAZ LO CORRECT.

GLAD TO MEET YOU.

SHE'S THE NEW FIXED ASSET COORDINATOR.

AND, UH, SHE COMES WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON THE PURCHASING SIDE, UH, ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND I THINK SHE'S GONNA DO WELL.

AND UH, OKAY.

A QUICK NOTE THAT, UH, SHE WAS COMING OVER HERE.

SHE WAS ACTUALLY ON THE WRONG SIDE OF CBS, THOUGHT SHE WAS APPLYING AT THE CITY OF KAUFMAN AND THE LADIES IN HR SAW HER RESUME AND REALLY RAN DOWN TO ME.

AND SO WE HIRED HER AWAY FROM THE CITY.

SO WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE HER.

OH, GOOD DEAL.

GOOD DEAL.

SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I HAPPY.

LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERY ONE OF YOU.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SORRY TO GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS.

UH, SO LATE I, WHETHER YOU HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THAT.

UH, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS I THOUGHT THIS VINTAGE GROUP WAS PART OF ACUMEN.

'CAUSE I WAS ALREADY SEEING THESE FOLKS, UH, AT THE COURTHOUSE.

UH, THIS JASON CRAM THAT OWNS, OWNS THE, UH, VINTAGE GROUP.

HE'S ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, ACUMEN ON OUR PROJECT.

AND SO THEN I FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE NOT PART, UH, OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITES.

SO WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND, UH, GET IT APPROVED TO HIRE AN ARCHITECT.

UH, IT IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BID IT OUT.

AND I CHECK WITH LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY KIND OF FORMAL, UH, MAIL OUT AND WE'RE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ASPECT.

UH, OKAY.

I'VE CHECKED THEIR FEES, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEES FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION RANGE, MAN, WHERE FROM FOUR AND A HALF TO EIGHT POINT A HALF PERCENT.

UH, AND THEN THEY SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE A REMODEL JOB, YOU CAN ADD ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO 5% ON TOP OF THAT FOR FEES.

SO I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT IN LINE, UH, ON THE 7%.

UH, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THESE FOLKS IS THEY KIND OF SPECIALIZE

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IN HISTORICAL BUILDINGS.

THAT'S THEIR EXPERTISE.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THEY DO.

AND THEY'VE GOT CONTACTS WITH HISTORICAL BUNCH AND UH, I THINK MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL TO US.

GOOD, GOOD.

I LIKE THERE AGAIN, WE'VE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT TO, TO UH, GO FORWARD OR NOT, BUT I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JACK? NO, I MEAN WE LAID IT, LAID OUT ALL THE FEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WHEN THEY'D MAKE THE DRAWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO, AND UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHO DO THEY TALK TO? WELL, THEY'LL GO TO JACK TO JACK AND TO US AND THEN, UH, MAINTENANCE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT ALSO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND, AND WHAT WE'LL SEE IS PART OF THE NEXT STEP WITH ACUMEN BECAUSE THEY JUST MORE OR LESS DID THE PLANS, THE INITIAL PLANS, REDREW WHERE EVERYBODY WAS GOING.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THE NEXT PHASE WITH THOSE FOLKS AND I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE JASON COME BY AND SPEAK TO YOU GUYS.

HE'S OUTTA LOUISIANA, BUT HE'LL BE GLAD.

ANY IDEA WHEN WE MIGHT GET THOSE PLANS BACK? I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT READY.

OH, I THINK THEY'RE READY.

AND ACTUALLY THIS IS THE GUY DOING THEM.

I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

OH, OKAY.

SO WELL GOOD.

IT TURNS OUT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON ALL, ALL ALONG.

OH GREAT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE, WAS HE THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS WITH US DURING THAT MEETING BACK IN THE SPRING, WHATEVER, TO GET THE ARCHITECTURE? HE MIGHT'VE BEEN, I'M NOT SURE.

THERE WERE SEVERAL THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS ONE OF 'EM.

BUT HE'S BEEN ON THE SCENE THE WHOLE TIME.

HE'S ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILDING AND MEASURED IT AND REDID THE DRAWINGS AND, AND UH, OKAY, GOOD.

HE'S DIDN'T ROLL.

IT'D BE NICE TO GET SOMETHING FINALLY GOING.

THEY FINALLY GOT THE ROOF FIXED AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER SEALER ON TOP OF IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

IF THEY HADN'T ALREADY DONE IT.

WELL WE GOT IT FIXED BUT WE GOT IT FIXED.

FIRST TIME WE GOT IT FIXED AND SECOND TIME.

WELL THAT'S TRUE.

WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW WHEN IT RAINS IF WE GOT IT FIXED OR WE, WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE FIRE HOSES UP THERE AND BUILDING.

I KNOW THAT'S TO FIND OUT FIRST.

JUST TEST IT.

HOW ABOUT THE GARDEN HOSE? LET'S DON'T DO FIRE HOSE.

HOW ABOUT JUST THE GARDEN HOSE? THERE YOU GO.

SEE, WE'LL GET IT A LITTLE DRIP, LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

AND AND THE, THE STUFF THAT YOU SENT US, IT HAD LIKE A PROJECTED COST.

IS THAT LIKE PRETTY ACCURATE OR IS THAT JUST A GUESSTIMATE OR HE'S BASING THAT ON, ON I GUESS HIS INITIAL STUDY NOW HE'S GOING DI OF COURSE DIVE INTO IT FURTHER.

I THINK THE BIG UNKNOWN IS GONNA BE THE ELECTRICAL AND THE HVAC BUT BASED ON HIS EXPERTISE.

BUT, BUT HE THINKS THAT THAT IS ELECTRICAL AND AC AND THAT COST THAT HE IT IS IT, UNLESS HE RUNS INTO SOMETHING ELSE AND, AND THE ARCHITECT FEES, THEY'RE IN THAT SAME COST, RIGHT? YES.

WELL THAT, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE I READ IT AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT SAID THAT TO ME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS RIGHT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY THINK THE TOTAL SHOULD BE, RIGHT? PLUS OR MINUS.

CORRECT.

WELL WE HOPE, LET'S HOPE FOR THE MINUS, WE'RE GONNA HOPE FOR THE MINUS.

AND THERE AGAIN, IT'S, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A THIN SLIM CHANCE.

BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, WELL LIKE I SAY, YOU GET IN AN OLD BUILDING, THERE'S MANY UNKNOWNS, THEY START MOVING WALLS.

SURE, SURE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND AND THAT IS WHY I WANT, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY IT RANGES ON THE, ON THE REMODEL SIDE.

'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS LIKE I JUST MENTIONED.

AND, AND ON THE PLUS AND MINUS IT'LL ALL HAVE TO BE APPROVED TO GO PLUS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL COME, WE'LL COME TO COURT HUNDRED PERCENT WITHOUT TOUCHING.

WITHOUT US TOUCHING.

BUT THEY SEEING IT, THEY CAN'T GET ANY MORE MONEY.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

WELL, WE'LL WE'LL MAKE A PRACTICE OF COME TO COURT WITH EVERY, EVERY NEXT PHASE AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND WE'RE KEEPING RETENTION AT THE END UNTIL IT'S ALL COMPLETED LIKE WE DID FOR THE YES SIR.

ROOF.

YES SIR.

AND WE STILL HAVE NOTHING THERE.

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

I NEED A MOTION THEN.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. HUNT.

MAKE A SECOND.

OKAY MS. IT'S YOUR TURN TO DISCUSS CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU JACK.

APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

[6. Auditor: Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

NO ONE RIGHT BEFORE IT.

THESE ARE MY FOCALS ARE MESSING UP SOMETIMES THESE WERE EMAILED TO YOU TO REVIEW.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? NO.

DO Y'ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ALL THE PAYMENTS AND EVERYTHING? YEAH, I HAVE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BARRER MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. MOORE.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A SECOND.

A MOTION CARRIES.

MS. AUDITOR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.

NOW

[7. Auditor: Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]

ALRIGHT.

YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE 1,000,100 $16,979 AND 65 CENTS.

UM, YOUR 2019 FACILITIES BOND WAS ABOUT 300,000.

OF THAT 2019 ROAD BOND WAS 96,000.

INMATE MEDICAL WAS ALMOST 75,000.

LATE DOWN MAINTENANCE WAS 73.

ARPA WAS ABOUT 14 AND COUNTY SOFTWARE, UH, 52,000

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GAS AND OIL ABOUT 60.

AND THE REST WERE VARIOUS OTHERS.

OKAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, I ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND I DO HAVE A HANDOUT FOR YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND I WON'T EXPLAIN IT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU TAKE ONE AND PASS IT DOWN SIR? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IN TO APPROVE.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND MR. PHILLIPS, MAKE A SECOND.

YOU MAY NOT GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT.

I JUST SAID I HAD SOMETHING TO SAY MISS FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE ONE PASS AROUND.

I SPOKE ABOUT THIS.

WE WERE GONNA CLEAN THIS UP BECAUSE OF THE WAY HOK HAD BILLED US FOR TWO FACILITIES, THEY WERE TOGETHER AND NOT SEPARATED.

SO, UH, JACK WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GET GALLAGHER TO EMAIL ME SOME SPREADSHEETS.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, SO I WANNA EXPLAIN THIS.

ON THE JUSTICE CENTER WE HAVE PAID GALLAGHER 31,798,000, BLAH BLAH DOLLARS.

HOK WAS 1.6 OTHER ENTITIES FROM 2021 THROUGH 2023 WAS FOR THE MOVE FOR THE FURNITURE AND ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED.

SO ALTOGETHER WE PAID 35 MILLION 4 77 FOR THAT BUILDING AND WE'RE STILL NOT THROUGH.

WE'VE SPENT THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE THOUSAND FORTY EIGHT MILLION THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND, $65 AND 9 CENTS.

ALL RIGHT.

PET ADOPTION CENTER IS THE SAME FORMAT.

6.8 MILLION KSO SUBSTATION, 5.7 MILLION AND OTHER FACILITY, THIS WAS FOR THE JUVENILE CENTER, THE OUTDOOR RECREATION MASTER PLAN.

ALTOGETHER I'M OUTTA MONEY AND I STILL GOT BILLS TO PAY.

SO I'M PROBABLY GONNA COME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND ASK FOR ARPA FUNDS TO COVER THOSE.

WHAT I HAVE LEFT, WELL I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE BROKEN IT DOWN.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE 'CAUSE WELL IT WAS THE WAY IT HAD BEEN DONE AND IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS NOT ASKED TO BE INVOLVED HOW I WANTED IT.

AND WE GOT IT LIKE WE WANT IT NOW.

SO AT LEAST WE CAN TRACK IT AND SAY WHAT WE SPENT TO EACH ONE AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.

THE VOTERS NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION.

AND PART OF THE ISSUE WAS THEY HAD THE JUSTICE CENTER EXPANSION AND THE JUSTICE CENTER AND THEY CODED SOME THINGS WRONG.

SO I HAVE THREE OR FOUR FIVE CORRECTIONS TO MAKE, BUT THE TOTAL SPIN IS 38 MILLION.

SO WE'LL GET THAT FIXED AND CORRECTED BEFORE THE AUDITORS GET HERE AND CHECK THINGS.

AND UM, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP YOU ABREAST OF WHAT ELSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY SO WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

AND I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO HAVE THIS SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THE MONEY WENT.

I MEAN WE DIDN'T EVEN BUDGET ENOUGH FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING WHEN WE WERE GIVEN THE RIGHT NUMBERS.

WE WERE ALMOST 3 MILLION.

OR 4 MILLION SHORT.

INSTEAD OF IT BEING 36 MILLION, WE ONLY BUDGETED 32.

BUT THEN WE WIND UP SPENDING ALMOST ANOTHER 6 MILLION ON DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER PEOPLE WANTED AND ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURE.

SO, WELL NOW WE KNOW AND NOW WE CAN CONTROL IT.

THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

UM, YES, CERTAINLY IT MAY I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS WASN'T BROUGHT TO US, WAS IT? NO, SIR.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE FINANCIALLY TRANSPARENT, BUT WHEN I'M LEFT OUT OF THE PICTURE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

THAT'S RIGHT.

'CAUSE OF THE CONTROL THAT WAS GIVEN TO THAT PERSON.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I AGREE.

APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

THAT'S OKAY.

WE'RE WORKING UNDER A DIFFERENT THING NOW.

IF NOT, THEN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSS.

OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. KAREN BEFORE WE GET TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION?

[8. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter Executive Session pursuant to Texas Government Code §551.071 to consult with attorney regarding pending or anticipated litigation including but not limited to: Jay Fuller v. Steve Howie and Bryan Beavers (Cause No. 23-00075); Kaufman County v. Henderson County (Cause No. 21-00150); Kemp ISD v. Kaufman County, et al (Cause No. 112559-422); and Estate of Gabriel Winzer, et a! v. Kaufman County (Case No. 3:15-CCV-01284-N).]

CONSIDER EXITED REGULAR MEETING ENTERED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0.071 TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS REGARDING PENDING OR ANTICIPATED LITIGATION BUT NOT LIMITED TO J FULLER VERSUS STEVE HOWIE AND BRIAN BEAVERS.

I'M GONNA READ ALL THESE NUMBERS

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'CAUSE YOU DON'T CARE.

, KAMAN COUNTY.

HENDERSON COUNTY, KEMP, ISD VERSUS KAUFFMAN COUNTY.

AND THE ESTATE OF GABRIEL WINDSOR VERSUS KAMAN COUNTY.

SO AT THIS TIME I NEED TO MAKE, I'LL MAKE

[9. Executive Session: pursuant to Texas Government Code §551.074 to discuss personnel matters regarding the Human Resource Director Applications.]

A MOTION.

GARY.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING.

I NEED A MOTION TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[10. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider exiting executive session and enter back into regular meeting.]

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MR. PHELPS.

MAKE SECOND.

AYE.