Dec 05, 2023 Commissioners Court

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[Call to Order]

WE'RE IN THE ANNEX, AND IT IS TIME TO BEGIN.

SO WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH THE INVOCATION, THEN OUR PLEDGES TO THE FLAG BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT'S GONNA DO THAT, IF YOU WILL.

STAND WITH ME, PLEASE.

FATHER, WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS DAY, AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS TIME OF, UH, SEASON PEOPLE ARE MORE, UH, GENEROUS AND ESPECIALLY HAPPY.

UH, IT'S SAD THAT IT'S ONLY THIS TIME OF YEAR THAT THIS HAPPENS, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO SERVE YOU AND TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.

BE WITH ALL THOSE WHO PROTECT US IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY'RE FILLING.

AND WATCH OVER US AS A NATION.

KEEP US FREE FOR IN YOUR SON'S NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AMEN.

A PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

FOR ALL.

HONOR AND HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STUDY UNDER GOD.

ONE.

AN INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK THIS MORNING? OKAY.

THEN WE'LL

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THAT? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CHANGES? NO.

MR. ? NO.

I DON'T NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHIS MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. BARR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HUNT.

YOU'RE UP.

NEXT,

[3. Commissioner Hunt: Discuss/ Consider reappointing Shelia Gillespie(Treasurer), Debbie Wagner (Secretary), & Dustin Talent ( Asst. Treasurer), to the Emergency Services District 1 for a two year term.]

CONSIDER REAPPOINTING SHEILA GILLESPIE.

DEBBIE WAGNER, AND DUSTIN TALL TO THE EMS DISTRICT.

NUMBER ONE FOR TWO YEAR TERM.

YES.

UH, LIKE TO GO, TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THESE PEOPLE TO BE REAPPOINTED.

UH, REALLY KIND OF BLESSED.

DSD, UH, ONE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO DRAMA.

THEY TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE HAPPY WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD.

SO I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE THAT WAY.

YOU CAN PUT THAT IN FORM OF A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MR. VOTES.

MAKE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HUNT NUMBER

[4. Commissioner Hunt: Discuss/Consider approving Texas Materials group for road work on Windy Lane using discretionary bond money and Pet 1 budget.]

DISCUSS.

CONSIDER APPROVING TEXAS MATERIALS GROUP FOR ROAD WORK ON WENDY LANE USING DISCRETIONARY BOND MONEY AND PRECINCT ONE.

BUDGET.

YES, SIR.

UH, YES, SIR.

THIS IS A PROPOSAL AT THE, FOR, UH, USING THE DALLAS COUNTY ELLIS COUNTY IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT FOR TEXAS BID TO, UM, STABILIZE TEAR UP, TEAR UP AND STABILIZE AND LAY ASPHALT ON WINDY LANE IN, UH, IN THE FORNEY AREA.

SO I'M, I GOT IT.

UH, BOND MONEY LEFT OVER MY DISCRETIONARY BOND MONEY.

AND I HAVE MY SPECIAL PROJECTS BUDGET THAT, UH, I'M GONNA UTILIZE.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS THE ROAD YOU INHERITED, IS THAT CORRECT? ? YEAH, .

I DON'T KNOW WHO FROM I, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, I GAVE IT TO HIM IN GOOD SHAPE.

OH, HE TORE IT UP.

HE TORE IT UP.

OH, OKAY.

NOT MY FAULT.

.

OKAY.

SO YOU PUT DOWN A FORM OF A MOTION I'LL MAKING FORM OF A MOTION COMMISSIONER TO MAKES THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A SECOND.

ALL THE FAVORS SAY, AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

MS. MONIQUE IS NOT HERE, BUT HER HELPER IS.

THERE YOU GO.

NUMBER FIVE,

[5. Monique Hunter: Discuss/Approve tnterlocal Cooperation Agreement for ETJ Authority -Land Use Regulations between Kaufman County and the City of Cottonwood.]

YES, MA'AM.

YES.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

I'M DEB MILLER.

I'M HER OFFICE MANAGER AND ADMIN ASSISTANT.

AND WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FROM SOME OF THE CITIES AND THIS ONE IS COTTONWOOD.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE COURT TO ACCEPT THAT.

OKAY? YEP.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO IONS IN YOUR AREA? AND NOW IS THAT FOR THE, JUST THE USED OUR, THIS IS FOR THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION? YES.

YES.

AND THEN, UM, THEY, THEY ARE ASKING FOR THEIR JURISDICTION ON PLATTING.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. MOORE MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DAVE STERN.

THIS IS THE FIFTH DAY TODAY.

KEEP COMING, TEAM.

YOU'RE DOING GOOD.

OKAY, MR. STEVE, YOU'RE UP.

DISCUSS,

[6. Steve Howie: Discuss/ Consider allowing the Office of Emergency Management to use additional funding from the CRI Grant to purchase Automatic External Defibrillators (AEDs) for the Justice Center, Justice Center Annex and other county buildings. The estimated cost would be approximately $23,000.00.]

THE APPROXIMATE COST IS $23,000.

YES, STEVE.

OKAY.

UH, AFTER EVERYTHING WAS SIGNED, SEALED, AND

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ALRIGHT.

BUT THEY'RE VERY NITPICKY ON WHAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON.

, ONE OF THE ITEMS LISTED WAS AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE IN OUR BUILDINGS.

THE RULE OF THUMB IS WITHIN ONE MINUTE BE ABLE TO GET TO IT AND THEN RETURN, UH, TO YOUR PATIENT.

SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT.

WE DETERMINED WE NEED ABOUT 15 OF THEM, AND THE, THE LOWEST BID THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR IS, OR QUOTE IS, UH, 2020 1,300.

UH, AND THIS WOULD GO THROUGH PURCHASING BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT IT IS.

SO I JUST WANTED Y'ALL'S BLESSING ON PROCEEDING WITH THIS TO GET THESE AEDS IN OUR COUNTY BUILDINGS.

WHAT'S THE COST PER UNIT? UH, COST PER UNIT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS $1,330 A PIECE, WHICH INCLUDES THE CABINET.

OKAY.

AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, 14,000 OR $1,406 PER UNIT AND DID NOT INCLUDE THE CABINET.

OKAY.

ARE YOU, UH, ACCOUNTING FOR THE REMODEL IN THE OLD COURTHOUSE TO HAVE ENOUGH FOR THERE ALSO? WE, THAT ONE WAS ALREADY COVERED.

WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THOSE AND PUT 'EM BACK OR OKAY.

PUT, PUT THE NEW ONES OUT.

OKAY.

AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.

YEP, I'VE GOT THAT ONE.

BUT I'LL LEAVE IT ANY FACILITY OUT.

HOW ABOUT TRAINING ON THESE THINGS? ARE Y'ALL GONNA SCHEDULE TRAINING FOR EVERYBODY? YES, SIR.

WE'VE DONE THAT LA UH, THIS YEAR AND WE'LL DO SEVERAL SESSIONS NEXT YEAR TO TRAIN PEOPLE ON CPR AND A ED.

GOOD DEAL.

GOOD DEAL.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED AND IT'S NICE TO GET A GRANT TO, UH, FURNISH THESE FOR EMPLOYEES.

WELL, THEY MAKE ME HAPPY BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GETTING OLDER AND THEY MAY NEED THEM ALL SO WE CAN PRACTICE ON YOU .

SURE.

WHY NOT? OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL THEN LET'S MAKE A MOTION.

I'M YOU, I MAKE MOTION.

I'M MAKING A MOTION.

WE'RE GONNA PRACTICE ON THESE.

MOTION ALL.

I'LL SECOND CHRISTIAN, MARK MAY SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU STEVE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

YES, SIR.

OKAY, MS. SHANNON, UH, DISCUSS

[7. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve the Final Plat of Pilcher Estates Lots 1 & 2 Located on County Road 4098 in Precinct 4.]

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

PILCHER ESTATE IS APPROXIMATELY 4.17 ACRES AND THE OWNER IS SPLITTING THAT INTO TWO LOTS.

EACH OF THOSE LOTS ARE ROUGHLY 1.97 ACRES.

ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE AGENDA REQUEST PACKET.

AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.

COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, I REVIEWED OVER THAT AND LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S BEEN DOCUMENTED AND THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.

SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

OKAY.

A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER MOORE TO HAVE A SECOND.

I SECOND.

MR. BAR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

JACK.

IF YOU'LL COME ON UP ON NUMBER EIGHT, THAT'S

[8. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider the disposal of furniture not sold at the old courthouse location.]

WE HAD A SALE OF ALL THE OFFICE FURNITURE AT THE OLD COURTHOUSE, , AND WE MADE LOTS OF MONEY.

DID WE GET MAKE PAST $10? BARELY .

I THINK WE HAD WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE UNITS SALE FOR $5 A PIECE? WE DID.

WE DID.

AND, AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF IT'S DUE TO THE HOLIDAYS, UH, TRYING TO GET THIS THING DONE.

UH, WE'VE HAD IT STUFF IN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW, GIVING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT STUFF OUT.

UH, BUILDING MAINTENANCE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING ME TO GET, UH, THE GOOD STUFF TAKEN OUT AND GIVE FOLKS.

AND, UH, SO WE FOLLOWED, YOU KNOW, 2 63, 1 52 ON HOW TO POST COUNTY PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN THING.

THE GOAL WAS TO GET THAT PROPERTY OUTTA THE BUILDING SO WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION.

YES.

AND SO, UH, JUST LOOKING AT IT AS YOU'RE AWARE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT WENT FOR LOW DOLLAR, OBVIOUSLY, IT WASN'T, UH, WORTH THE MONEY IN THE MINDS OF THE FOLKS.

'CAUSE A LOT, I I'VE GOT SOME, I'LL ME PASS THESE OUT IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS EVEN WANT THESE.

UH, GOTTA BREAK DOWN ON, ON THE, UH, STUFF.

OH LORD.

, YOU NEED LARGE BREAD.

MAGNIFYING GLASS.

SEE YOU THOUGH.

YOU KNOW, THE TROUBLE WITH IT IS THE STUFF IS PRETTY OLD.

YEAH.

IT'S FOUR OUT, FOUR OUT.

.

I'M NOT SURE WHO WANTS IT.

I JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

LIKE ON, ON TRASH MAN, EVEN EVEN THE FOLKS THAT BOUGHT THIS STUFF FOR THE LOW DOLLAR ON, ON LOT 100, I WENT OVER AND I'VE CHECKED STUFF OUT.

THEY PICKED UP ABOUT 60% LOT.

1, 1 0 5, THEY PICKED UP 40% LOT.

1 10, 20 5%, ONE 15, ABOUT 50%, ONE 20 WAS NOT SOLD.

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ONE 30 LESS THAN 5%, 1 35 NOT SOLD.

NOW YOU TOLD IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PERCENT THAT NOT PICKING UP, NOT PICKED UP.

YEAH.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE, YOU CAME AND GOT WHAT THEY WANTED OUTTA WHAT THEY BOUGHT AND RIGHT.

AND LEFT THE REST.

YEAH.

PUT IN THE FRONT YARD.

WELL, YES.

WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY AWARE THAT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE BIG LOTS AND THESE GUYS WILL SHOW UP AND THEY'RE DRIVING FROM FORT WORTH OR RICHARDSON PICKS SOMETHING AND THEY GET OUT HERE AND, AND THEY GOT A TRAILER AND, UH, THERE'S MORE STUFF THAN THEY THOUGHT.

AND, AND THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND THEY DON'T.

UH, WE HAD A COUPLE CASES WHERE, WHERE THE MERCHANDISE WAS PAID FOR AND THEY NEVER SHOWED UP AT ALL.

HMM.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUYERS REMORSE, UH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS.

UH, BUT BY FOLLOWING 2 63, UH, 1 5 2, WE HAVE, UM, UH, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO EITHER SELL, ATTEMPT TO SELL THE EQUIPMENT BY AUCTION OR BID OR DONATE TO A CHARITY.

BUT IF, IF THE EQUIPMENT IS NOT SOLD, THEN THE COURT CAN DECLARE THAT SURPLUS NOW SALVAGE.

SO ANYTHING THAT, UH, WAS NOT BID ON, WE, WE WOULD DECLARE SALVAGE.

AND WE'RE AT THAT POINT, WE CAN GET RID OF IT HOW WE SEE FIT.

BUT THE POINT BEING, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE, UH, STUFF WAS PURCHASED, IT WAS BOUGHT, AND SO IT'S NO LONGER OUR PROPERTY, SO TO SPEAK, SO WE COULD DISPOSE OF IT HOW WE SEE FIT.

UH, WELL, IN MY OPINION, IT'S SALVAGE.

THAT'S A KIND WORD.

YEAH, , I'M, I'M JUST SAYING.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK SAYS.

SO WE'LL USE, I, I KNOW, AND I, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT, AND YOU TELL ME IF WE COULD DO THIS OR NOT.

MY PROPOSAL IS TO GO OVER TO WALMART AND BUY THOSE LITTLE STICKERS.

GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, $5 ON THEM.

STICK, GO OVER FOR MAINTENANCE, OR YOU GO OVER AND STICK 'EM ON WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER THERE.

OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING.

IT'S ONE SATURDAY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE A GARAGE SALE, GARAGE SALE, AND THEN AT THE BACK DOOR HAVE A DUMPSTER AND IF IT DOESN'T SELL AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GOES IN THE DUMPSTER SO WE CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION INSTEAD OF HOUSE AND ALL THE OLD STUFF.

I THINK SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

UH, I'D LIKE TO DECLARE A LOT.

ONE 20 AND 1 35, UM, AND 180 5 AND 1 91.

AS AS, UH, UH, WE ATTEMPTED TO SELL IT.

IT DIDN'T SELL.

SO IF THE COURT CAN DEEM THAT AS, AS SURPLUS PROPERTY, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH LOTS WERE THOSE.

THAT WAS 1 20, 1 35, 180 5 AND 1 91.

THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT SOLD.

AND SO WE HAVE GONE, WE ADVERTISED WE HAD AN OFFICIAL, UH, AUCTION.

WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO SELL THE PROPERTY PER THE CODE.

AND IF WE JUST DECLARE THAT AS IT DIDN'T SELL, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE THAT FROM SURPLUS TO SALVAGE WITH THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

IF THAT MAKES, THAT'S SOMETHING THE COURT WOULD HAVE TO DO.

YEAH.

AND I, I'M, I'M, I'M LOST HERE.

WHY WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP.

JAKE'S SUGGESTION FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THOSE VERY LOTS, ONCE YOU DECLARE THEM AS SALVAGE, YOU COULD ALSO PUT THOSE IN THE GARAGE SALE.

OKAY.

SO, BUT YOU'D NEED TO DECLARE THEM A SALVAGE FIRST.

CAN WE NOT JUST, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, BUT, OH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE BOUGHT.

NO BIDS.

NO, NO BIDS.

RIGHT.

THE ONES THAT WERE NOT SOLD.

OH, THEY WOULD BE DECLARED SALVAGE.

THEY WOULD BE DECLARED SALVAGED.

AND THEN, OH, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER, BEHIND THE OTHER STUFF ALREADY? YEAH.

THE REST OF IT'S BEEN SOLD.

IT IS NOT REALLY OUR PROPERTY, IT'S JUST IN OUR BUILDING.

SO WE HAVE THE, IN MY MIND IT'S BEEN ABANDONED BY ITS OWNERS NOW AT THIS POINT.

EXACTLY.

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? YOU CAN SELL IT OR TRASH IT OR BURN IT.

, I SUGGEST WE DO THE ABOVE.

PUT A PRICE ON IT, OPEN IT UP, COME GET IT, THEN IT GOES TO TRASH.

WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T OPEN THE OTHER UP.

WE HAVE TO THROW THE OTHER WAY.

NO, WE CAN'T.

NO, YOU CAN SELL IT.

WELL THEN ONCE YOU DECLARE IT SALVAGED, WHY CAN'T WE JUST MAKE IT ALL SALVAGE AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WHATEVER.

SOME OF IT'S NOT OURS ANYMORE BECAUSE IT WAS PURCHASED.

SO WE CAN DECLARE THESE ITEMS AS SALVAGE.

THE OTHER ITEMS WE DECLARE IS ABANDONED.

RIGHT.

SO WE NEED TWO MOTIONS HERE.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE NEED ONE MOTION.

MOTION.

I CAN DO THE FIRST ONE.

JUDGE.

I I, I MIGHT EVEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING PRICE TAG.

JUST SOMETHING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IS, UH, PUTTING IT ON THE, ON THE YARD OUT THERE, LIKE YOU SAY, AND MAYBE HAVE DONATIONS AND MAYBE YOU CAN SAY IT GOES TO THE PET CENTER, UH, WHATEVER, SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF FUNDRAISER IF YOU WOULD.

BUT BE WE CAN, YEAH.

WHATEVER WE WANNA DO WITH IT AND JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, DONATE IT.

IT WON'T BE VERY MANY DOLLARS.

RATHER THAN PUT PRICE TAG, LET PEOPLE PUT DONATIONS IF YOU HAVE A CAUSE THEY MIGHT BE MORE APT TO, UH, WE CAN DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, JUST AN IDEA.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH Y'ALL? MM-HMM, .

IT'S FINE TO ME.

OKAY.

SO I NEED ONE MOTION TO DECLARE THESE FOUR UNITS AS SALVAGE.

I CAN DO THAT.

I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION

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1 20, 1 35, 180 5 AND 1 91.

CHANGE IT FROM SURPLUS TO SALVAGE.

OKAY.

I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. BAR MAKES SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

NOW, FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS OF OFFICE FURNITURE THAT THEY HAVE ABANDONED NEED A MOTION TO DECLARE THAT AS ABANDONED PROPERTY, THAT NOW BECOMES PROPERTY OF THE COUNTY.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT.

SO COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES THAT MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER TRUMP MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AND SAY, AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES.

SO WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE POST HAYES.

YEAH.

SO, UH, LET'S PICK A DATE.

WE GOTTA GET WITH MAINTENANCE TO HELP US GET THAT STUFF OUT.

WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON THE NEWSPAPER ADS.

WE COULD.

THAT'S MORE WHAT IT'S GONNA BRING.

WE COULD, I'LL GET WITH PAM AND LET HER DISTRIBUTE THAT SOMEHOW ON FACEBOOK OR SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEHOW ON OUR WEBSITE, OUR SIDE.

AND LET'S JUST PICK A SATURDAY.

YOU WANNA DO IT BEFORE CHRISTMAS? NO.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON, ON THE CONSTRUCTION? WELL, WE'RE MEETING WITH ACUMEN TODAY.

WE ARE.

AND THEN OF COURSE THEY, THE ONLY HOLD UP NOW IS, IS WE'RE ABOUT TO START THE ABATEMENT OVER THERE.

ASBESTOS BIDS WILL BE HERE THE 15TH.

AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START ABATEMENT STARTS TO GET THEM ROOM TO WORK, RIGHT? WELL, YES.

THE ABATEMENTS, WE WANT THE ASBESTOS BATE WANT TO START JANUARY TWO IF THE BIDS COME IN.

RIGHT? SO YOU DO IT ASAP.

DO AT ASAP.

YEAH.

ONCE, GET TWO AND A HALF.

LAST WEEKEND WHEN HAD ALL THE PEOPLE HERE, THEY COULD'VE JUST WENT UP THERE AND BOUGHT FROM IT ON THE, THAT WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD.

WELL, I, THAT WAS, WE GOT RID OF IT.

ONE THAT'D HAUL IT OFF.

THAT WAS ONE DAY ON AUCTION TOO.

WAS THAT'D ALL HAULED IT OFF.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I GOT YOU.

YEAH.

WELL I DO IT.

I CAN DO IT THIS SATURDAY IF WE GET IT DONE.

IF NOT THIS, COULD YOU GET THE 16TH TO GET US SO CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS? YEAH.

IT'S A WEEK BEFORE.

TWO WEEKS BEFORE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

LET'S DO IT.

THE 16TH.

LET'S SET THE DATE FOR THAT EVENT TO BE THE 16TH OF DECEMBER.

SO I NEED SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

MAKE IT OFFICIAL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE THE, UH, I'LL SECOND IT FOR YOU.

WHAT WE'LL CALL IT THE, UH, SALVAGE SALE ON THE 16TH OF DECEMBER.

COMMISSIONER PHIS MADE THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. TRUMP MAKES THE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A AYE.

YOU MADE THE MOTION.

YEAH, IT'S OKAY.

WE'RE OKAY? YEAH.

OKAY.

WE'RE OKAY.

ALRIGHT, JUDGE, ONE LAST QUESTION.

YES SIR.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE ADVERTISE THIS OR PUT OUT THERE, DO WE WANT TO PRESENT IT AS A, UH, DONATIONS FOR CERTAIN AND WE'LL NAME THE NAME, THE CHARITIES.

OKAY.

YES.

AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL HERE, RIGHT HERE IN TOWN.

WE'VE GOT THE COST OF WE'VE GOT THE REACH, WE'VE GOT BE HAPPY CHILDREN SHELTERS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

YES SIR.

YEAH.

AND WE'LL HAVE SOME BUCKETS WITH THE NAME ON EACH ONE OF 'EM.

THEY CAN DROP WHATEVER THEY WANT TO IN THE BUCKET.

YEP.

NOW MAKE IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN HELP THESE CHARITIES.

OH.

GOT THREE PEOPLE OUT THERE STANDING THERE AND GUARD BUCKETS.

, SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT MR. PHELPS GUARDS THE BUCKETS.

.

WE'LL, OKAY.

THANK YOU JACK.

THANK YOU SIR.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

NO NUMBER.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER NINE.

JACK, PLEASE STAY A SIR.

DISCUSS

[9. Workshop; Discuss matters related to Enterprise car lease program.]

YES, SIR.

SO A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, I'LL JUST KIND OF READ OFF A FEW OF 'EM.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN GET IN ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.

UH, WE HAVE CONCERN WHERE A A, A DEPARTMENT WILL, UH, REQUEST A VEHICLE.

AND SO JUST, JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT WHEN, IF WE GIVE A VEHICLE TO A DEPARTMENT THAT'S DUE TO GO TO SALE, THAT IMPACTS THE REVENUE EXPECTED TO OFFSET, UH, THE COST OF THE LEASE PROGRAM.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE COURT WANTS TO, TO BE ADVISED EACH TIME SOMEONE WANTS A, A EXTRA CAR BEFORE WE GIVE IT TO 'EM, UH, IF THEY NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM COURT.

UM, THAT'S ONE THING.

UM, AND OF COURSE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ABOUT, UH, UH, STANDARDIZING THE, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT.

UH, ONE, ONE AGENCY ONE, ONE, SAY ONE CO'S OFFICE MAY PUT ON DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT THAN THE NEXT.

AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT'D BE NICE.

WE GET KIND OF A STANDARDIZATION ON EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

UM, ONE ITEM IS, UH, UH, WE SEE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING, UH, UH, SOME, SOME AREAS ARE PUTTING, UH, SUPER, UH, FOOT AND FUEL.

THEY'RE GETTING PREMIUM WHEN THE VEHICLES ARE DESIGNED TO UH, UH, RUN AN UNLEADED.

UH, IT'S JUST A MINOR THING, BUT IT, IT COSTS THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY ABOUT 50 CENTS A GALLON MORE.

EXACTLY.

MM-HMM.

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AND WHEN YOU GO THERE, IT'S TRACK FAR AS THEIR MAINTENANCE, BUT SOME AREAS DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THOSE PEOPLE.

THEY, THEY'VE GOT A PREFERRED VENDOR.

UH, SO THAT CREATES SOME KIND OF A PROBLEM.

UH, IN SOME CASES, UH, SOME OF THE VEHICLES ON THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, UH, HAVE OIL CHANGES INCLUDED IN THE MAINTENANCE.

WE HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T WANT TO U UTILIZE THAT BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE MAYBE THEY DON'T GET THE CART BACK AS QUICKLY.

SO THEY GO TO THEIR PREFERRED VENDOR.

SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE PAYING FOR PAYING IT FOR TWICE.

YOU'RE PAYING ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE AND YOU'RE PAYING WHEN YOU GO GET THE OIL CHANGED.

UM, AND LET'S SEE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT THING.

LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A, UH, FORD EXPLORER AND THEN THE NEXT TIME YOU ASK FOR A TAHOE, UH, THE NOTHING INTERCHANGES.

YES.

YES.

AND SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THE EQUIPMENT IS DESIGNED TO GO THROUGH TWO CYCLES, UH, TO THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT DUE TO SOME CARS NOT BEING AVAILABLE, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.

SO MAYBE THAT'S IN SOME CASES WE HAD TO GIVE WHAT WE COULD GET.

UH, BUT I THINK IF, IF WE, THINGS ARE STARTING TO SETTLE DOWN NOW.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN EXPLORER AND YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THAT FIRST CYCLE, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET AN EXPLORER FOR THE NEXT CYCLE, EVEN THOUGH MAYBE A TILE IS YOUR PREFERENCE.

THAT'S OF COURSE UP TO YOU GUYS.

BUT, BUT WELL I THINK IT AFFECTS THE PROGRAM.

IT DOES AFFECT THE PROGRAM AND, AND YOU KNOW, CITIZENS EXPECT US TO WATCH THE BUDGET.

YES SIR.

IN OUR DOLLARS.

I THINK, UH, IF DEPARTMENTS GO OUTSIDE THE AGREEMENT NOW, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AN CASE.

YOU, WHEN YOU CAN'T GO TO THE CERTIFIED OR QUALIFIED SERVICE DEPARTMENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THEY GO OUTSIDE THAT THEN IT'S GONNA EITHER COME OUTTA THEIR BUDGET OR THEIR POCKET.

THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

I I I LIKE THAT THERE'S PERIMETERS HAVE BEEN SET, POLICY HAS BEEN SET, UH, ESPECIALLY ON GASOLINE.

COME ON.

UH, I'M NOT SURE THE REASON FOR THAT, BUT IT, THERE AGAIN, THAT CAN COME BACK OUT OF THEIR BUDGET OR OUTTA THEIR POCKET.

ONE THE OTHER, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PAYING FOR THAT.

I, I THINK I KNOW THE SHERIFF, WHATEVER CARS THEY HAVE AND EQUIPMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS THAT TYPE OF, WHETHER IT BE A CONSTABLE OR UH, EMS OR WHATEVER, Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE THE SAME EQUIPMENT, SAME CAR AS POSSIBLE.

UH, WE DON'T NEED TO BE TRYING TO ONE UP ONE ANOTHER.

I MEAN THE DEPUTY'S OUT ON PATROL, NO MATTER WHAT DEPARTMENT YOU'RE IN, IF IT WORKS FOR ONE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK FOR THE OTHER.

AND THEN BUYING THE CARS WANTING TO KEEP A CAR, THAT DOES AFFECT OUR BUDGET BECAUSE IT COMES BACK, THAT GOES BACK TO ENTERPRISE THAT MONEY.

UH, AND THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT CAR.

IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AN EXCEPTION, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS NEED TO BE HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING.

AND, AND I THINK JUDGE TO ANSWER THAT AGREE YOU ON THAT PORTION IS, IS THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS NOT COMING OUTTA THEIR BUDGET.

SO IF YOU GET A CAR AND YOU SEND IT TO THE OUTFITTER, YOU CAN JUST KEEP ON DIALING THAT UP ON WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA GET PUT ON THERE AND UH, IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA YOUR BUDGET.

MAYBE IT WAS IN THEIR BUDGET, UH, UH, IT MIGHT CHANGE THINGS.

UH, BUT I THINK A STANDARDIZATION WOULD CERTAINLY KEEP THE COST DOWN.

CERTAINLY.

CERTAINLY.

SHERIFF, YOU HAVE COMMENTS? NO, I, I THINK IT GOOD, LIKE I SAY AS FAR AS, UH, THE VEHICLES, I MEAN I, I HADN'T BEEN TOLD OF ANYTHING DIFFERENT 'CAUSE I, I'M PRETTY STRICT.

THEY'RE ON TELLING PEOPLE, WE'VE GOT VENDORS THAT THEY, AND THERE'S, THEY'VE GOT SEVERAL VENDORS IN THE COUNTY THAT YOU CAN GO TO.

IT'S NOT LIKE THIS MIGHT BE BUSY THAT YOU CAN FIND ANOTHER.

SO WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING A VENDOR RULE.

UH, 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CID CARS AND IF WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR ALL CHANGES IN TIRES AND STUFF, JUST LIKE MINE, YOU NEED TO GO GET IT DONE AT FOR VENDOR.

AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, UNLESS Y'ALL TELL ME IF SOMEBODY'S TRYING SUPREME FUEL ABOUT IT.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SET THE RULES AND, AND LAID IT OUT THERE EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECT.

'CAUSE THIS IS THE RULES WE HAD WHEN WE BEGIN THIS PROGRAM.

SO, AND I THINK WE, I'M THE BIGGEST FLEET AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I THINK WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.

I'LL FIX IT FOR SURE.

DO WE HAVE A POLICY IN FORCE THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND EARN THINGS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO? WE DO NOT.

WE HAVE IT WORK FOLLOWING THE CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO IS SET UP, HERE'S THE POLICY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GOTTA HEREBY AND IF YOU DEVIATE FROM THAT, IT'S GOTTA BE APPROVED BY THE COURT.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.

OKAY.

THEN IF Y'ALL CAN GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED FOR US, THEN WE SEND THAT OUT.

WE'LL ALL, WE'LL

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I THINK ALL WE HAVE IS JUST WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE POLICY WAS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE LEASE, YOU KNOW, LEASE PROGRAM AROUND AND FOLLOW THE ROAD LEASE PROGRAM.

IF YOU GOT A LEASE CARD AND THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND BRING IT THERE, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D GO OUTSIDE.

WELL, I GUESS I'M LOST ON THAT ONE.

AND, AND EQUIPMENT WISE, I'M, I'M BIG ON THAT IS I'M ALWAYS TRYING 'CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL IS TRYING TO GET THE EQUIPMENT TO MAKE IT THROUGH TWO CYCLES.

'CAUSE IT, I KNOW IT CAN DO IT, BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS SOMETIMES TRYING TO FIND A CAR TO MATCH THAT.

RIGHT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE NEED TO TRY TO DO, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE EXCEPTION.

THERE'S EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, BUT WE NEED TO TRY TO FOLLOW IT.

WE KNOW WHEN I BUY THIS, SAY A CHEVROLET, THAT THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE A CHEVROLET TO TAKE ITS PLACE UNLESS THE MODEL CHANGES AND WE CAN'T HELP THAT.

BUT WE SHOULD TRY AND GET IN TWO CYCLES AT IT BECAUSE THAT SURE.

AND, AND COMMISSIONER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

WE, WE JUST HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT JUST ARE DEAD SET ON GOING TO ONE PARTICULAR PLACE AND, AND, UH, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE DIALING IT BACK.

UH, ONE ISSUE IS IF YOU GO TO A UNAPPROVED VENDOR, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THEY SEND IT TO THEIR PREFERRED VENDOR, UH, THEN THEY CALL US AND ASK US WHAT THE WARRANTY IS ON THE VEHICLE.

AND SO WE HAD TO GET INTO THAT ACT LIKE A FLEET MANAGER AND IF THEY WENT TO THE APPROVED VENDOR, THEY KNOW WHAT'S UNDER WARRANTY.

AND SO IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE, THE VEHICLE HAD SOME KIND OF REPAIR OVER HERE THAT THEY CARRIED TO THEIR PREFERRED VENDOR.

IT WAS UNDER WARRANTY.

THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T A, A APPROVED VENDOR.

SO WE HAD TO PAY FOR A RECORD TO CARRY THAT VEHICLE TO A APPROVED VENDOR TO GET FIXED.

SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ISSUES THERE, YOU KNOW.

WELL THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES NEED TO BE HAPPENING.

YEAH, WELL THAT, THAT DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AND NOT, NOT COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

YEAH.

JACK, LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING.

OVERALL, IS THIS LEASING PROGRAM WORKING? I MEAN, AS FAR AS IS IT SAVING US ANY MONEY OR IS IT COMPARED TO BUYING VEHICLES? OR I'LL HAVE TO SAY OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THIS LEASE THING CAME ON BEFORE ME OR ZELLE.

UH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'D EVER COME TO THE THOUGHT THAT IT'S GONNA SAVE YOU MONEY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, THAT'S JUST NOT A FACT.

NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IT GOT RID OF ALL THE OLD CARS AND YOU GOT NEW CARS, BUT IF YOU'RE PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH TO LEASE A, UH, TAHOE FOR FOUR YEARS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY MATH, I SAID THAT'S $48,000.

YEAH.

I CAN BUY ONE FOR THAT.

UH, I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED WHEN I GOT HERE FROM DAY ONE, I WAS ABOUT QUESTIONING THE, UH, WHY WE HAVE TO GO TO, UH, CALL TO THE CALDWELL'S REP.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UH, WHO'S, WHO'S THE INSTALLER? WE GOT, WE GOT CAP.

CAP FLEET, CAP FLEET AND THE DEFENDER.

YEAH.

AND SO I WAS TOLD THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN BUY CARS.

AND I, I NEVER BELIEVED THAT FOR A SECOND.

UH, I WENT HERE FIVE MIN, FIVE MINUTES AND THEN I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT THAT, OH, GUESS WHAT, DEFENDER IS OWNED BY CALWELL CHEVROLET.

OH, .

AND OH, BY THE WAY, CAP FLEET IS OWNED BY ANOTHER DEALERSHIP.

OH.

MM-HMM.

.

SO NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE KNEW THAT.

BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CHECKING AROUND YOU FIND OUT THAT, SO WE HAVE ALSO, UH, MADE OTHER DEALERS MAD AT US, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THERE WAS A POINT WHERE WE COULDN'T FIND THE VEHICLES.

ENTERPRISE COULD NOT FIND VEHICLES.

WE FOUND EVEN SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS FOUND VEHICLES.

I FOUND VEHICLES THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO SELL TO US BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING TO THEIR MM-HMM.

FOLKS.

YEAH.

AND THEY SEE ENTERPRISE AS A KIND OF THEIR COMPETITION, SO TO SPEAK.

SURE.

AND I'VE ARGUED WITH ENTERPRISE THAT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN SELL US A CAR OR THEY CAN BUY A CAR AT THE SAME PRICE WE CAN THEY ARGUE THEY CAN.

IF YOU TALK TO THE DEALERS, THE DEALERS WILL TELL YOU THAT GM WILL NOT PASS THE GOVERNMENTAL PRICING TO ENTERPRISE.

SO I THINK RIGHT.

THE BAT, WE'RE PAYING MORE.

THEY'RE, WE'RE PAYING MORE FOR A CAR THROUGH ENTERPRISE THAN WE COULD BUY IT.

NOW I GET THE DEAL ABOUT THE OLD FLEET.

UH, UH, SOME OF YOU GUYS, UH, SKEE MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, BACK IN THE DAY, THERE WAS A THOUGHT WE NEEDED A FLEET MANAGER.

MM-HMM.

AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREED WITH, WITH THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, HOWEVER, HE WAS GONNA MAKE ME A FLEET MANAGER.

.

AND, AND I REMINDED HIM THAT I, THAT I REPORT TO BOARD AND NOT THE COURT DON'T BE ASSIGNED ANY DUTIES.

AND SO YEAH.

THEN HE MADE THE, UH, UH, UH, VETERANS GUY, UH, FLEET MANAGER AND GAVE HIM A RAISE TO DO THAT.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

AND, UH, SO THAT POINT BEING, IF, IF YOU HAD A TRUE, IF THE COUNTY HAD A TRUE FLEET MANAGER, WHAT WE PAY FOR MAIN FOR THE, THE, UH, UH, UH, MAINTENANCE, WELL, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE, UH, UH, SERVICE.

SERVICE, THANK YOU.

THE SERVICE THING WHERE IT TELLS YOU YOU HOW MANY, HOW MANY MILES YOU HAD ON IT, WHAT WE SPENT ON THAT THE COUNTY COULD HIRE A FLEET MANAGER.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

AND SO I CAME FROM A PRETTY PROGRESSIVE CITY AND THEY HAD A FLEET MANAGER THAT SAID, WHEN A CAR GOT SO MANY MILES ON IT OR SO MANY, UH, YEARS ON IT, IT WAS SO, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SHAPE IT IS, IT'S SO MM-HMM.

.

AND IT, SAME THING WITH TRACTORS.

IF YOU GET SO MANY HOURS, WE'RE SELLING

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SO THE EQUIPMENT WAS ROTATED, YOU GOT PREMIUM PRICE FOR IT AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FLEET GETTING OLD.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

WELL, YEAH.

NOW, NOW THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE, THE, THE THE, I LIKE TO USE THE TERM THAT RAY CHARLES COULD HAVE SEEN IS THAT, UH, NOW IF YOU GET OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, THE, UH, ENTERPRISE BUSINESS, NOW YOU GOTTA BUY 150 CARS.

YEAH.

BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AND I HADN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO REVISIT YOU WITH IT, IS, IS UH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE PLACES THAT ARE CAR DEALERS THAT DO FLEET RENTALS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE FAIR LEASE FOR INSTANCE, AN EXAMPLE THAT DO HAVE A FLEET SIDE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND ENTERPRISES WILL NEVER OWN THAT ENTERPRISE CAR.

RIGHT.

UH, THE OTHER FLEET MANAGERS, WHETHER IT'S LIKE, UH, USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OR ANY OTHER DEALER THAT HAS A FLEET SIDE RENTAL SIDE, AT THE END OF YOUR LEASE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO BUY THAT VEHICLE FOR A BUY PRICE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE ENTERPRISE IS THERE IS NO BUYOUT.

SO NO, YOU'LL NEVER OWN THAT CAR.

YOU COULD KEEP IT, SAY, UH, WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT GOES FOUR YEARS AND WE'VE ALREADY PAID 48,000 FOR IT.

WELL WE CAN'T FIND YOU ONE, WE KEEP IT, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SPENDING MORE MONEY ON THAT VEHICLE WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WAS USING A, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO SORT OF PUBLIC KNOWS IS ENTERPRISE CANNOT BY LAW SELL YOU THAT CAR OUTRIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DEALER'S LICENSE.

MM-HMM.

IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO IF YOU USE A DEALER, THEN THAT DEALER CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SELL THAT CAR TO YOU FOR 15,000, 10,000.

JUST KEEP IT.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REVISIT MAYBE THIS AFTER THE FIRST A YEAR AND SEE IF THAT'D JUST BE AN OPTION FOR US.

I AGREE.

THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT, AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER THE COURT WANTS TO DO, IS, IS, IS PRETTY COMPLICATED.

IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS LEASE COMPANY, THE CURRENT LEASE COMPANY, AND THEN YOU'RE BUYING CARS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE NEED TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER.

UH, NOW JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE IN ONE RECOMMENDATION I MIGHT MAKE IS MAYBE YOU DO THE, THE LEASH PROGRAM ONLY FOR UH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE REST VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PHASE OUT OF IT AND, AND JUST, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THEY MAY HAVE A CAR THEY CAN KEEP FOR SIX, SEVEN YEARS.

UH, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING CONSIDERED JUST TO PHASE OUT OF IT EXCEPT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

UH, IS IT WORKING FOR Y'ALL? AND, AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU THE REASON THE WE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT LIKES IT BECAUSE Y'ALL, Y'ALL BEEN, Y'ALL BEEN AROUND HERE A WHILE WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET AND WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE DECIDED WE NEEDED 15, 20 CARS, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

NO.

WE COULD NOT AFFORD IT.

SO THE PROBLEM IS, IF WE TURN BACK TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA BE DRIVING CARS WITH 180, 250,000 LIKE WE DID BEFORE.

UH, I DON'T SAY IT'S SAVING US ANY MONEY, BUT WHAT IT IS IS PROVIDING US WITH GOOD CARS.

IT'S TRAVELING THE ROAD FOR OUR DEPUTIES AND FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WE'RE TRAVELING IN.

'CAUSE IF WE'RE DRIVING 130 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T NEED A CAR THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BREAK AND IMPACT SOMEBODY.

RIGHT.

TRAVELING THE FAMILY.

AND THAT'S IT'S SAFETY FOR US.

BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SPENDING NEAR THE MONEY ON REPAIRS THAT WE USED TO 'CAUSE WE HAD CARS WITH 180.

IT'S, IT'S AT FINE SIGN.

I AIN'T SAYING IT'S SAVING US MONEY, BUT IT'S MAKING SAFER VEHICLES FOR US ON THE ROAD FOR OUR DEALER.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS, OR OR MY THOUGHT IS, LEMME BACK UP.

YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING IF YOU HAVE FLEET MANAGER, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THIS CARBON, GET, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE, IF THE LEASE PROGRAM IS FOUR YEARS, THEN WHEN YOU BUY 'EM, SELL 'EM IN FOUR YEARS.

MM-HMM.

, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE METHOD.

IT'S JUST, IT IT'S IT'S HOW YOU DO IT.

EXACTLY.

AND IT'S WHAT THE LIFECYCLE IS.

IT'S NOT HOW NO, I I I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF, AND I'VE TALKED TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND, AND CITIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE, A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THEIR CARS THAT THEY RUN WITH THE DEPUTIES AND WHEN THEY PULL 'EM OUT OF THAT THEY GIVE 'EM TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DRIVING AND TAKE THE LIGHTS OFF.

AND THEY'RE NOT HIGH SPEED POLICE VEHICLES NOW THEY'RE EITHER A DETECTIVE DRIVE IT OR SOMEBODY DRIVES IT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DOING THIS KIND OF ROAD RACING.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THE ROAD RACERS JUST WHAT IT IS.

YEAH.

I MEAN, AND YOU AND YOU DO UH, YES MA'AM.

GET TO THAT AND YOU, AND YOU AND THE PERSON ACTUALLY GETS THAT FLEET RUNNING.

RIGHT.

SO THAT WHEN THEY DO PULL IT OUT OR IF THE GUY HAS A PROBLEM, HE HAS A CAR, HE TAKES IT IN, THEY DRIVE OUT WITH ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SPARES, WE HAVE THIS AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE VERY MANY SPARES.

I NOTICED THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO BE RUNNING SHORT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WELL THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, THE ONLY THING I CAN SPEAK YEAH.

THEY HAVE A HARD TIME.

ONLY THING I CAN SPEAK TO IS, IS MY EXPERIENCE.

OKAY.

I WAS AT CITY OF RICHMOND FOR 27 YEARS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I BOUGHT CARS.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE CARS THAT WERE SIX YEARS OLD.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE CARS THAT HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.

I KNOW THEY HAD A FLEET MANAGER.

I AGREE.

I'M NOT ARGUING THAT POINT.

I'M I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, WHEN I CAME IN THE OFFICE HERE, WE HAD 'EM LIKE THAT.

OH, I AGREE.

YES.

AND IT, IT IS HORRIBLE.

IT IS.

AND AND I'M ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS RAISING KANE ABOUT WE NEED A FLEET MANAGER, WE NEED A GARAGE, WE NEED THIS.

SHERIFF CAN VOUCH FOR IT.

I

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THE AND OF COURSE WRONG PERSON APPOINTED TO I, THEY DON'T WANT EVEN GO IN THERE.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULDN'T EVER GET ORGANIZED AND, AND UNTIL WE GET IT ORGANIZED OR WE GET BIG ENOUGH, WE HAVE ENOUGH CASH FLOW.

'CAUSE THE NUMBER ONE THING, WHETHER YOU'RE IN BUSINESS, GENERAL BUSINESS, POLITICAL BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE CASH FLOW AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT THING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SHERIFF COMING IN TO THE POINT, THE SAFETY WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING FOR THESE GUYS AND THE ONLY WAY TO MANAGE THE CASH FLOW WAS TO BE ABLE TO PAY JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HAVE THAT FLOWING DOWN THE LEASE PROJECT.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

I DIDN'T GO INTO THE LEASE PROGRAM 'CAUSE I DIDN'T NEED THAT KIND OF SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHY OTHER PEOPLE JOINED IT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERY MADE THEIR OWN CHOICE.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO OUR CHOICE AND WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, LIKE TOPICS SAID, TELL YOU WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST YEAR.

YEAH.

WE NEED TO JUST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND TO FIGURE IT OUT ABOUT FLEET MANAGER, WHAT TO DO WITH THE CARS.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME THE BUYING THE PREMIUM GAS NEEDS TO STOP AND LET THOSE PEOPLE KNOW WHO'S DOING IT.

WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.

UH, WHAT MENTION ANOTHER THING UNDER COMMISSIONER MOORE MENTIONED IS, IS, IS I FOUND OUT HERE RECENTLY THAT UH, GM HAS EVEN STARTED A PROGRAM.

I GUESS THEY SEE WHAT ENTERPRISE IS DOING AND SO THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A PROGRAM AS WELL, UH, THAT HAS A BUYOUT.