Jan 09, 2024 Commissioners Court

MR. BARBER MAKES A SECOND.

DO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THANK YOU, MR.

[3. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider advertising a bid for an annual contract for concrete box culverts.]

JACK.

YOU'RE UP NEXT.

NUMBER THREE.

YOU HAVE THREE AND FOUR.

SO NUMBER THREES, CONSIDER ADVERTISING A BID FOR ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR CONCRETE BOX CULVERTS.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

MORNING, UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE WOULD LIKE TO BUY SOME CULVERTS.

NOW I WILL SAY THAT, UH, FROM THE PURCHASING SIDE, IT KIND OF MAKES ME NERVOUS WHEN I, WHEN I HEAR THE TERM BRIDGE AND WE'RE BUILDING BRIDGES, BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES OR DRAWINGS ENGINEERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS ASSURED ME THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT SCOPE, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING VERSUS A REAL BRIDGE.

BUT ALWAYS HAVE CONCERN ON MY END.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW YOUR JOB BETTER THAN I DO ON ROAD BUILDING, BUT THE PURCHASING SIDE MAKES ME NERVOUS WHEN WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SIZE COVERAGE ARE THESE? WELL, WITH THESE, WHAT, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT COMMISSIONER HUNT DOES TOO.

UH, THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT'LL COME OUT AND BUILD THE SMALL, WE CALL 'EM BRIDGES TOO, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY USING THE LARGE BOX CULVERTS.

M AND BI THINK IS ONE OF THE COMPANIES WE'VE USED IN THE PAST.

THEY, THEY SITE BUILT OURS.

HAVE TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID.

SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE, THEY'RE SITE BUILT.

THEY COME IN WITH THESE LARGE CONCRETE CULVERTS, UH, AND THEN THEY, UH, BUILD THE FORMS UP TO 'EM AND PUT THE RAILS.

'CAUSE WE PREFER TO HAVE THE RAILS ON THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY.

SO THEY'LL PUT THE SIDES ON THE CULVERTS AND IT'LL REPLACE AN EXISTING, LIKE A FOUR FOOT CULVERT OR, AND IT DOESN'T QUALIFY AS A BRIDGE BY STATE STANDARDS YET.

IT, UH, THE STATE WON'T COME OUT AND, AND HELP FUND ON MINE.

THEY WOULD NOT.

AND OF COURSE WE DID.

I MEAN, GARRETT AND THEY ALL WENT OUT THERE AND THEY DID ALL THE ENGINEERING OR TOLD US WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.

SO, YEAH.

HAS GARRETT BEEN OUT AND LOOK AT YOURS? NOT YET.

WE'RE JUST GONNA GET IT APPROVED, EVEN IF WE CAN EVEN BID IT OUT, UH, TO LET PEOPLE BID ON IT TO SEE IF WE GET IT APPROVED FIRST.

AND THEN, WE'LL, YEAH.

I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF, OF WHAT ONE OF THEM DID.

MB LIKE ON MINE WAS A DOUBLE, IT WAS A DOUBLE FOUR BY, IT IS BIGGER THAN THAT.

BIGGER THAN ONE Y'ALL WERE DOING.

AND LEMME TELL YOU THAT IF THAT BREAKS WE'RE IN REAL SERIOUS TROUBLE, , WE WATCHED SOME 'EM BUILD ONE ON, ON THE CITY AND OURS IS LOTTER THAN THE ONE THEY BUILT.

SO, UM, WHO THE CONTRACTOR WAS FOR THE CITY.

UH, AND, AND I AGREE.

I I'VE SEEN THE, THE DRAWING PICTURES THAT COMMISSIONER PHILLIP SHOWED ME.

I'M JUST SAYING.

UH, SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS BEATING CULVERTS.

THAT'S IT.

NO CONSTRUCTION AS YET.

SO, WELL, WE'RE BUILDING CONCRETE'S THAT WE, THAT ARE MADE INTO LIKE A BRIDGE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR I GUESS YOU'D DONE OVERLAY OVER IT, WHATEVER.

BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM, BUT I'M JUST, YOU GUYS WILL SIGN THE PHONE UP.

I, I, I SAID BASICALLY WHAT IT IS JACK WAS CONCERNED WITH IN THE PAST OF DOING WATER STUDIES AND ALL THIS STUFF, AND I TOLD 'EM, WE GO OUT AND PUT LIKE FOUR FOOT CULVERTS IN ON THESE ROADS.

WE DON'T DO A WATER STUDY ON EVERY TIME WE, YOU HAVE TO PUT A CULVERT IN OR WHATEVER, BASED ON THE NEEDS OF IT.

SO WHAT I HAVE IS, I HAVE TWO SPOTS THAT INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN CULVERTS, I'D LIKE TO PUT THESE LARGER CULVERTS IN WHICH WE, THEY FORM 'EM ON SITE CONCRETE INTO LIKE A SMALL MINI BRIDGE, WHATEVER.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THEM, UH, THAT'S UH, PRICED ABOVE THE 50,000 MARK TO BUILD, UH, BOTH OF THEM.

AND SO WE

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SO I WENT TO JACK AND TOLD JACK, HEY, I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS OUT FOR BID, TO LET PEOPLE COME OUT, DO A SITE CHECK AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE CHARGE TO DO THIS AND GIVE US AN ESTIMATE SO WE CAN COMPLY WITH THE LAW ON THE BIDDING PROCESS.

AND THEN ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO BRING IT BACK TO, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND APPRO THAT CONTRACTOR, WHATEVER.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A CONTRACTOR IN PLACE THAT CAN WORK FOR US OVER THE 50,000 MORE.

I GOT IT.

SO JUDGE, AND, AND I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

UH, OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DEVELOP A SPEC, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT SURE.

THAT THE COURT WILL BE SIGNING OFF ON THESE SPECIFICATIONS.

I DON'T WANT SOMETHING HAPPENING DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE ON, WELL IT'S OBVIOUSLY THIS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND OH YEAH.

AND CHECK OUT BY OUR ENGINEER AND EVERYTHING, SO THAT'S GOOD.

THESE ARE A LOT STELLAR THAN THE ONES YOU BUY FROM TI CONSULTING ENGINEERS, EVERYTHING.

WERE INVOLVED IN ALL THIS STUFF, SO IT'S NOT A LONG AS HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.

I'M GOOD, JUDGE.

THERE YOU GO.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVING PROPOSAL FROM ACUMEN ENTERPRISES FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES RELATED HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE.

SO I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

DOES SOMEONE SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AND SAY, AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES NUMBER FOUR.

JACK, AGAIN,

[4. Jack Sebastian; Discuss/Consider approving proposal from Acumen Enterprises, Inc. for construction services related to Historical Courthouse.]

UH, GENTLEMEN, I, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HAD A COPY OF THIS.

HOPEFULLY HAD TIME AND REVIEW THAT WE'RE KIND OF IN THE NEXT PHASE WHERE, UH, OWNER CONSTRUCTION, AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE HAD THE, THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.

AND SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO REVISE THE, UH, FINAL DRAWINGS AND GET A FINAL PRICE ON CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN WE'D BE INTO THE CONTRACT PHASE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SO YOU HAVE A QUOTE THERE FOR ACUMEN.

AND IF YOU GUYS WOULD GIVE THAT, I'M, I'D MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I, UM, I, I KNOW Y'ALL BEEN MEETING WITH, CAN Y'ALL KIND OF BRIEF US LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT IS, I MEAN, OKAY, SO BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT US GENERAL CONTRACTING AND OR THEM GENERAL CONTRACTING AND, AND JACK AND JACK AND ANSWER SOME OF THIS, BUT TO GET DOWN TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT IS HISTORICAL BUILDING, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS GONNA BE INVOLVED WHETHER WE USE THEIR MONEY OR NOT.

SO THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT THAT'S, THEY WORK WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WILL, THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT, UH, THEY CHARGE A FEE FOR THAT INSTEAD OF A PER HOUR THING, WHICH IS COMMON.

UH, AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM AND DO WHAT THEY SAY, THEN WE WANT TO USE THEIR MONEY PLUS OURS TO PUT IT BACK.

AND THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH LIKE THE WINDOWS, UH, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO DRAFTY.

AND LIKE DOWN AT THE CAPITAL, LIKE I SAID RIGHT THERE, THE 65%, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WE NEED IT DONE BY, THEY THINK THEY CAN GET IT ALL DONE BY FEBRUARY 7TH AND THE YEAH.

65%, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS GAVE US PERMISSION TO TURN IN 65% AND THEY COULD OKAY.

IT.

SO WE'RE, THEY'RE WORKING HARD GETS, WE WON'T HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

'CAUSE BY STATUTE'S, WHAT WE'RE DOING BY STATUTE, THEY CAN HOLD IT OFF FOR, WHAT, SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING? YES, SIR.

IF WE CAN GET A QUICK TURNAROUND FROM THE TORICAL ORGANIZATION.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE USING THESE FOLKS HERE.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP, THEY HAVE A GOOD, GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH.

AND KINDA WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS, IS, UH, UH, I KNOW WE'VE, THIS, THIS THING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR TWO, THREE YEARS AND NEVER HAD MOVED.

SO WHAT I GOT INVOLVED, UH, I REACHED OUT, UH, USING THE, UH, JOB BOARD CONTRACT METHOD.

SO THEY'RE ON LIKE TIPS AND BUY BOARD.

THESE ARE CON TRUCTURE CUT ME THE WRONG, IT'S BEEN PRE-BID.

UH, IT'S KIND, IT'S A TYPICAL THING WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, BACK IN THE DAY IF YOU HAD A THREE OR $5 MILLION PROJECT VERSUS $30 MILLION, AND OF COURSE NOW IT'S, IT'S GROWN NOW, BUT PROJECT FOR THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING SEVEN TO NINE POSSIBLY AS KIND OF THE, UH, THOUGHT OUT THERE.

SO IT KIND OF FALLS IN THAT RANGE.

IT MAKES IT LOOK QUICKER TO, TO GET STARTED VERSUS PUTTING OUT A BID TO HIRE CONTRACTORS AND ALL THAT.

UM, I REACHED OUT TO THESE FOLKS, UH, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PRESENTED THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT COURTHOUSE DID NOT QUALIFY FOR HISTORICAL MONEY.

UH, WHEN I REACHED OUT TO ACUMEN, UH, HE KIND OF ENLIGHTENED ME THAT WE DO IN FACT DO QUALIFY RIGHT? FOR, FOR SOME MONEY.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NUMBERS THROWN OUT THERE FOR DOLLAR TO DOLLAR MATCH.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY EXAGGERATION, BUT, UH, IT'S BASED ON A POINT SITUATION.

THE MONEY THEN YOU HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANT DONE.

, THE MORE YOU DO, THE MORE POINTS YOU GET AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO I FOUND THESE GUYS DO TO THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

AND UH, SO THEY, UH, THOSE FOLKS AND THE ARCHITECT HAVE BEEN MEETING QUITE OFTEN WITH THOSE FOLKS.

AND WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TAKE

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I UNDERSTAND.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS SPECIALIZE.

THAT'S WHAT DREW ME TO THESE FOLKS.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

WELL, I GUESS THE BIG THING FOR US IS WITH THE ARPA MONEY YES.

IS WE NEED TO HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO COMMIT TO THIS PROJECT SO WE CAN, WE WILL HAVE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT PROJECT.

SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE RENT, THE BALANCE OF THE MONEY BEFORE THE DEADLINE.

AND THAT DEADLINE, WE'VE STUDIED THAT.

SO THE DEADLINE, UH, WE HAVE TO COMMIT THE MONEY BY DECEMBER OF 24.

YEP.

WE HAVE TILL DECEMBER OF 26 TO SPEND THE FUNDS.

SO, UH, THAT'S HELPED US A LOT.

SO ANYWAY.

AND, AND THE NEW PEOPLE'S FOUND US MORE POINTS ON OUR SYSTEM.

SO YES, WE'RE QUALIFIED FOR A LOT MORE MONEY.

'CAUSE I WAS READING THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT, THERE'S BEEN SO MANY DISCUSSIONS GOING ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE NOW WHO KNOW THE SYSTEM, WHO CAN GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THAT WILL HELP US ALONG ON A TIMELINE.

SURE.

OH, I SEE.

IT'S ALL ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE STATE.

AND PLUS IF THERE'S SOMEONE HERE, AND I EMPHASIZE THIS IN THE COUNTY THAT DOES THIS TYPE WORK, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THEY WILL ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT A BID.

YEP.

AND THAT'S THE OTHER GOOD SIDE ABOUT THE, THE, UH, JOB ORDER CONTRACT IS IT GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, BRING IN THE LOCAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPANIES OUT THERE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON IT.

AND SO WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE LOCAL COMPANIES AND, AND THAT'LL BE GOOD.

THAT HELPS OUR CITIZENS WELL AND ALSO HELPS WELL US DOWN THE ROAD IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND FINISH.

THEY'RE RIGHT HERE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING THEM FROM NEW YORK CITY TO DO IT.

EXACTLY.

SO.

WELL, I MEAN, AND THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT CONTRACTORS THAT ARE, THAT ALREADY HAVE BIDS OUT WITH THE COUNTY.

AND IF THOSE BIDS LIKE SAY AC OR PLUMBING OR, SO THAT'S TO BID THE JOB.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY BIDS SO THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY ARE APPROVED VENDOR.

AND TYPICALLY ON A JOB ORDER CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY A BOOK IF YOU WOULD.

I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT, BUT, UH, THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU THAT IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, THAT THE AVERAGE COST TO LAY CARPET PER SQUARE FOOT IS THIS DRYWALL, IS THIS, UH, SO YOU KINDA GOT A PRICE ESTABLISHED, BUT THEN WE'LL TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER.

WELL, THEY'LL ACTUALLY CALL VENDORS, UH, AND, AND HAVE THEM SUBMIT A QUOTE BASED ON AND COMPARE THAT TO THE BOOK PRICE.

AND THEN YOU PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE, FOR MANAGING THIS THING.

UH, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT, BUT IT'S A QUICKER PROCESS.

IT'S ONLY ABOUT 3%, BUT IT IS MOVING THE TIME UP A LOT.

OH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE, I THINK THAT'S TIME'S MONEY.

AND, AND ONE GOOD THING TOO, JUDGE, IN THIS CASE.

ONE GOOD THING TOO IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE PAYING THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, THE FIRM LIKE TIPS, THEY GET A PERCENTAGE OBVIOUSLY FOR HANDLING THIS CONTRACT.

AND, AND SO THEY MONITOR, THEY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING OVERCHARGED.

SO THEY, THEY PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THAT AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT'LL SAVE US SOME MONEY FOR YEAH, I THINK SO.

IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL.

CONSTABLE JOHNSON DISCUSSED APPROVING DEPORTATION OF AID AGENCY WINTERS TO FILL THE PAROLE CONTRACT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. JACK? IF NOT, I NEED AN MOTION THEN PLEASE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHIS MAKES THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. TRUMP MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVORS SAY AYE.

[5. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving the deputation of Aidan C. Winters to fill a vacant patrol contract position in Contract 191 (Windmill Farms) as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman County Precinct #2 Constable's Office.]

BANK FEE FOR THE CONTRACT.

1 91 IN WINDMILL FARMS AND DEPUTY CONSTABLE AT THE CA COUNTY PRECINCT TWOS CONSTABLE OFFICE.

MORNING.

GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN.

UH, YES SIR.

SO DEPUTY AIDEN ACTUALLY COMES FROM, UH, AIDEN WINTERS COMES FROM SAXE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WANTING TO TRANSFER OVER TO OUR DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE'VE DONE AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND ON HIM AND THE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HIM AND HE'D BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE DEPARTMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NOT I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHELPS MAKES A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. MOORE MAKES A SECOND.

MR. JOHNSON WANTS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING.

MOTION CARRIES NUMBER SIX AGAIN.

[6. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving Aidan C. Winters to fill a vacant patrol contract position in Contract 191 {Windmill Farms) as a Deputy Constable with the Kaufman County Precinct #2 Constable's Office.]

IS UH, THAT THE SAME THING? NO SIR.

THIS IS MR. WINTERS WOULD BE GOING INTO THE WINDMILL FARMS PATROL CONTRACT FOR THE POSITION THAT WE HAVE WHEN YOU GUYS SALE CONTRACT 1 91 AGAIN ON HERE? YES.

SO ONE WAS FOR THE APPROVING HIS DEPUTATION.

OH, ONE FOR THE OTHER CONTRACT.

SAYING THIS FOR THE CONTRACT, HE'S GETTING PAID OUTTA THE CONTRACT.

CONTRACT'S PAYING FOR, SO LEMME READ THIS AGAIN.

DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AIDEN WINNERS TO FILL A PATROL CONTRACT POSITION AND CONTRACT 1 91 THE WINDMILL FARMS AS DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH THE CALE COUNTY PRECINCT TO CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.

MR. WINTERS WOULD BE GOING IN THE CONTRACT 1 91 INTO WINDMILL FARMS. OKAY.

UH, THAT IS A CURRENT OPEN POSITION, UM, THAT WE HAVE HAD

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FOR A WHILE.

BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

YOU NEED A MOTION THEN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHIS MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

MR. MOORE MAKES SECOND.

NUMBER SEVEN,

[7. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving the interlocat cooperation agreement for ETJ Authority-Land Use Regulations between Kaufman County and the City of Kaufman.]

MS. MONIQUE.

GOOD MORNING.

MONIQUE, YOU WANT TO TALK TO US ABOUT APPROVING THE INTERLOCAL, UH, COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR THE ETJ AUTHORITY LAND AND USE REGULATIONS BETWEEN KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF KAUFMAN.

THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE CITY OF COMBINE.

THEN THE NEXT ONE'S THE CITY OF TERRELL.

RIGHT? THEY'RE SLOWLY, THEY'RE ALL THREE THE SAME.

THEY'RE, YES.

THEY'RE SLOWLY TRICKLING IN AND THEY, ALL THE CITIES ALL WANT, UM, PLATTING AUTHORITY.

UM, IN THEIR ETJ EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

SO, UM, IF YOU NOTICE, OUR ILAS ARE ITEMIZED NOW INSTEAD OF SAYING ANY OTHER RELATED PERMITS.

AND SO YOU DEFINITELY CAN SEE WHAT THE COUNTY WILL STILL HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.

UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN OVER THE ROADS AND, AND COORDINATING.

THERE IS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THESE THAT SAYS THAT, THAT THEY WILL COORDINATE WITH US IF IT AFFECTS COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.

SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE NUMBER, NUMBER SEVEN FIRST.

THE C DIFF KAUFMAN.

DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. HUNT MAKES THE MOTION.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHILLIPS SECOND.

SAME THING FOR THE CITY COMBINE, WHICH IS NUMBER EIGHT.

NOW THE

[8. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving the interlocal cooperation agreement for ETJ Authority-Land Use Regulations between Kaufman County and the City of Combine.]

SAME AGREEMENT, SAME RULES, SAME REGULATIONS, JUST DIFFERENT CITY.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT? NO.

I NEED A MOTION, THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

MR. HUNT MAKES A SECOND.

ANY IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MONIQUE NUMBER NINE, APPROVING IN LOCAL AGREEMENT.

ALRIGHT, MO

[9. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving the interlocal cooperation agreement for ETJ Authority-Land Use Regulations between Kaufman County and the City of Terrell.]

ETJ LAND AUTHORITY BETWEEN KAUFMAN IN THE CITY OF TERRELL, KAUFFMAN COUNTY, AND THE CITY OF TERRELL.

, ANY QUESTIONS? NO COMMENTS.

MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BARR MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I SECOND MR. TO MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

NUMBER 10

[10. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving processes and procedures for Use of County Land permit as it pertains to Fiber Optic Installation.]

MOST.

MONIQUE, YOU GOT THE BIG PART TODAY, .

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES FOR THE USE OF COUNTY LAND PERMIT AS TO PERTAINS TO FIBER OPTIC INSTALLATION.

YES MA'AM.

SO, UM, LAST WEEK IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THE PROCESSES AND, AND, UM, WE AGREED THAT WE'D GO BACK AND, AND KIND OF LAY THAT OUT AND SPELL IT OUT ON WHAT THE COUNTY EXPECTS OR WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE SO THAT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO IF YOU NOTICE WE'VE DRAFTED THE, UH, INSTALLATION PERMIT PROCESS.

THIS TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW THESE PERMITS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET.

IT SAYS WHAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THAT DOCUMENTATION.

AND THEN IT DEFINITELY CLARIFIES THAT NO WORK SHALL COMMENCE UNTIL THAT PERMIT IS APPROVED.

'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD SOME THAT WERE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT AN APPROVAL.

SO IT JUST KIND OF SPELLS OUT WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED IN MEETINGS.

BUT IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE AND IT, THE COURT KNOWS WHAT'S THE PROCESS AND IT'S, UM, UM, PART OF THE, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS FROM NOW ON.

DO YOU GIVE THEM A TIMELINE WHEN THEY SUBMIT SOMETHING AS TO WHEN YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE IT READY FOR 'EM? SO LIKE IT COULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION? YES.

WE'VE ASKED THAT IT TURN BE TURNED IN 30 DAYS PRIOR BECAUSE WE NEED 10 DAYS BUSINESS DAYS.

AND WE USE, WE EVEN PUT IN THEIR COUNTY CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE MORE DAYS OFF THAN SOMETIMES OTHER PEOPLE DO.

SO WE EVEN PUT IT IN THERE BASED OFF THE COUNTY, UH, APPROVED CALENDAR.

THEN WE NEED 10, WE NEED 10 DAYS TO REVIEW IT.

THEN WE, UM, HAVE A, UH, UH, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT GOES TO THEM AND THEN WE BRING IT TO COURT.

AND SO THAT 30 DAYS GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

IF WE TRY TO RUSH THESE, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE PROPER REVIEW.

SO WE WANT THAT 30 DAYS.

AND IN A SCOPE OF THIS L THIS LARGE SCALE, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.

OR THEY HAVE A FOLLOW-UP CREW THAT COMES THROUGH TO REPAIR THEIR DAMAGES TO THE DITCHES.

AND, AND, UH, THE ONLY THING, YOU KNOW, I'VE READING THROUGH THIS, I NEVER REALLY, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH YOUR OFFICE AND GET PERMISSION TO, TO DO THESE ROADWAYS.

AND ONCE WE'VE APPROVED THEM AND THEN THEY DO THE WORK, IS THERE ANYBODY LOOKING AT AFTER THEY DO THE WORK? I KNOW IT SAYS WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE DAMAGES THAT THEY CAUSED, BUT I WAS OUT THE OTHER DAY AND, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF GETTING IN MY PRECINCT NOW AND IT'S MUDDY, IT'S WET.

I UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU GOT DULY TRACKS DOWN A DITCH THAT DRAINS WATER, THEN YOU STOP THE FLOW OF THE WATER.

YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, HOW DO WE, HOW WE JUST NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, WHEN THEY'RE WORKING, WHEN THEY'RE THROUGH AT THAT AREA THAT I GUESS YOU HAVE A, I GUESS I CAN ASK

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AFTER THE FACT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT THE DITCH BACK TO IT'S EV INCLUDING RE-SEEDING THAT'S IN THE PERMIT PACKET.

THAT'S IN THEIR APPROVAL LETTER.

UM, IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT? I'M HAVE TO GO FOREVER.

I DON'T THINK WE HAD A TIMELINE.

IT'S, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST EXPECTED THAT YOU DO IT BEFORE YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT ROAD.

, I MEAN, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS WHEN YOU LEAVE.

UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

WELL, IT'S JUST, AND MY, MY DEAL IS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPROVE A LIST OF ROADS.

WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE AFTER WE APPROVE IT WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE.

AND IT'S KIND OF, IT JUST, IT'S A BAD USE OF TIME.

IF I SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE EVERY DAY, ARE THEY THERE TODAY? ARE THEY THERE TODAY? RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, ARE THEY FINISHED UP TODAY? SO PART OF THE, IF THEY FINISHED THE ROAD, I MEAN, SO WE CAN COME IN AND TRUST WOULD VERIFY TYPE DEAL.

, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP WHEN THEY FINISH THE ROAD, THEY TO CLEAN UP THE ROAD.

SO PART OF THE, IF YOU'LL WE'RE GONNA LOOK IN THE, YOU'LL SEE IN THE MOU MM-HMM.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CONTACT YOUR OFFICE, YOUR FOREMAN.

AND GARRETT ONE WEEK BEFORE THEY START THAT ROAD.

I THOUGHT I TOOK IT.

THAT'S IN THE UNDERSTANDING.

I TOOK IT AS CONTACTING Y'ALL'S OFFICE.

WE ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH US THAT AFFECTS YOU IS GONNA COME TO YOU TOO.

COOL.

SO, BUT THIS IS JUST IN THERE.

ONCE THEY'VE COMPLETED RIGHT.

COMPLETED THE PROJECT.

UH, THEN SO MANY DAYS AFTER THAT WEATHER PERMITTING, LIKE IF IT'S MUDDY YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING, YOU MAKE A BIGGER MESS.

UH, BUT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE COMMISSION.

WELL YOU DID WEATHER PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 DAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED.

SO WHAT'S A GOOD TIMELINE? WE CAN ASK THE EXPERT RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT? WHAT'S A GOOD TIMELINE? YOU SAY? WEATHER PERMITTING.

WEATHER APPROVING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE, THE REPAIR.

THE, I WOULD THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM TEXDOT AS WELL.

THE WAY THEY HANDLE THEIR RECEDING MM-HMM.

AND PROCEDURES ON THAT AS WELL.

AFTER ROAD'S COMPLETE.

IT MIGHT BE A GOOD GUIDE FOR US TO LOOK AT TOO AND LOOK INTO THAT.

BUT YEAH, WE UM, WE ALSO PUT INTO THE, UM, THAT IT IS SUBJECT TO INSPECTION AT ANY TIME.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE MOU WHERE GARRETT WILL SHOW UP ON SITE AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE PERMITS AND YOUR PLANS WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON SITE.

AND WHO'S YOUR SUPERVISOR? SO WE ARE GONNA DO SOME RANDOM CHECKS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO MUL, YOU KNOW, CONSTANT DRIVE-BYS.

BUT WE ARE GONNA DO RANDOM CHECKS NOW.

JUST GONNA HAVE TO WORK IT OUT IN OUR SCHEDULE.

PROVEN ANN CAN DO IT TOO.

DO SOMETHING RANDOM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IT, MONIQUE? YEAH.

THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME AMENDMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PREDICT EVERYTHING.

AND SO, UM, AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, UM, GOOD IDEAS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

SO I MIGHT BE ADDING THOSE AND WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK.

BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS AT LEAST THE BARE MINIMUM YOU NEED TO DO.

IT'S A GOOD START.

IT IS A FANTASTIC START.

SO I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

MR. HUNT MAKES SECOND.

ALRIGHT, MONIQUE

[11. Monique Hunter; Discuss/Consider approving the memorandum of understanding template as it pertains to Fiber Optic installation.]

AGAIN.

NUMBER 11.

CONSIDER APPROVING THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TEMPLATE AS IT PERTAINS TO FIBER OPTIC INSTALLATION.

SO THIS IS THE MORE DETAILED THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO EXPECT FROM THE FIBER INSTALLERS.

UM, ANY FIBER INSTALLERS.

THIS IS A, A IS JUST FOR FIBER, BUT IT DOESN'T JUST PERTAIN TO OPEN INFRA.

IT'S GONNA BE ANY FIBER THAT'S COMING INTO THE COUNTY, WHAT THE COUNTY EXPECTS, UM, AND WHAT WE EXPECT THEM TO DO AND HOW THEY TO RESPECT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UM, OUR CITIZENS.

SO WE'VE KIND OF LAID THAT OUT IN HERE.

THEY WILL, UM, SIGN THIS AND IT WILL BE IN THEIR PACKET TO COME TO COURT AS THAT PROCESS SHOWS.

BUT THEY, UM, WE WILL NOT, GARRETT WILL NOT SIGN THIS UNTIL THE COURT APPROVES IT.

AND ONCE THEY HAVE THIS, THAT MEANS THEY CAN START WORKING.

AND UNTIL THEY HAVE THIS, THEY CAN'T.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION APPROVE.

MR. BARBER MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND MR. TO MAKES A SECOND.

OKAY, MR. GARRETT, YOU'RE UP NUMBER 12.

[12. Garrett Moore; Discuss/Consider allowing Open Infra optic installation along County Roads: Lake Ridge Ln, Timarron Dr, CR 4102, CR 4100, CR 4095, CR 4102, CR 4098, CR 4099, CR 4101]

AND WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM ALSO.

SO, GARRETT, IF YOU'LL COME UP FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, I'LL CALL THEIR NAMES OUT HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ALLOWING OPEN, UH, INFRA OPTIC INSTALLATION ON COUNTY ROADS, LAKE RIDGE LANE TIMBERON DRIVE, COUNTY ROAD'S 41 0 2, 4140 95, 41 0 2 40 98.

40 99 AND 41 0 1.

AND WE HAD DECIDED TO TABLE IT.

SO, JUST LIKE IT SAYS, THIS IS THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM THAT I BROUGHT IN FOR CONSENT, UH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO,

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SO THIS IS JUST BRINGING IT BACK BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING WITH OPEN INFRA, DISCUSSED KIND OF HOW WE WERE GONNA HANDLE THE SITUATION WITH SOME OF THE DAMAGES THAT HAD BEEN, UH, OCCURRING OUT IN THE FIELD.

AND, UM, WE HAD THAT MEETING AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT WAS PUTTING THIS BACK ON AS AN ACTUAL ITEM TO GO OVER AND TO DISCUSS.

SO, UM, BRINGING IT BACK UP TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION AS SOMETHING TO GO FORWARD WITH OR TO HOLD OFF ON DEPENDING ON HOW Y'ALL FEEL, UM, ABOUT IT GOING FORWARD.

SO FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? MY OPINION IS, IS THAT WITH ALL THE, UH, DAMAGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, THAT THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF SERIOUS, UM, CONSIDERATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS THE UTILITIES THAT ARE BURIED UNDERNEATH.

BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN WITH A LOT OF THE REPORTS THAT COME OUT FROM THE FIELD, THE PIPES GETTING DAMAGED, OTHER UTILITIES GETTING HIT, AND, UM, THE CREWS LEAVING WELL, UH, CUTS AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER TRACKS AND DAMAGES ON RESIDENCE PROPERTY.

MY OPINION IS THAT WE HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF CONCRETE ESTABLISHED AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE, WHAT, WHAT OPEN IN FOR US TO DO, GIVEN THE SITUATION OUT THERE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA PROCEED BECAUSE WE HAD THAT MEETING, BUT NOTHING WAS EVER KIND OF PUT INTO A CONCRETE SENSE.

SO, UH, I KNOW THAT WE HAD SAID IN THE MEETING AFTER WE WERE DONE THAT OPEN INFRA WAS TO HOLD OFF ON WORK GOING FORWARD.

I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN WORK GOING ON OUT THERE AFTER THE MEETING OCCURRED, WHICH THIS MEETING OCCURRED ON DECEMBER 20TH.

UM, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S STILL SOME DAMAGES THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S ALLEGED I CAN'T REALLY CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING I KNOW OF, UM, A NUMBER OF DAMAGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN ROSE HILL SUD.

BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT, IS THAT WE HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF CONCRETE AGREEMENT.

SO WHAT MONIQUE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

UH, WELL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.

HOWEVER, THE ISSUE WAS IS THAT WE AGREED THAT THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY FURTHER WORK DONE UNTIL WE HAD, UH, THIS ESTABLISHED AND THERE WAS WORK DONE PRIOR TO THAT OR AFTER THAT MEETING HAD TAKEN PLACE.

UM, WE COULD, UH, AGREE TO EITHER TABLE THIS OR WE COULD AGREE TO APPROVE IT PENDING, UH, FURTHER MOU SIGNING AND UM, AGREEMENT TO THE PROCESSES AS OUTLINED.

ACTUALLY HAPPENING OUT IN THE FIELD AND THEN DECIDE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY THIS IS OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO DO IT IN, YOU KNOW, SMALL INCREMENTS.

CAN YOU SOLVE YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS IN A WEEK? SO IF WE TABLED IT FOR A WEEK? YEAH, WELL WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON SPEAK TO THESE ITEMS, SO IF YOU UNDERSTAND TO THE SIDE, ABSOLUTELY.

MAY BE CALLING YOU AGAIN SHORTLY.

UH, NANCY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND DANIEL, Y'ALL BOTH WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, NANCY, WE'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.

HI, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME BACK.

CERTAINLY.

UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THESE PERMITS THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TODAY WHILE THEY'RE NOT IN ROSE HILL, UM, I AGREE DEFINITELY WITH WHAT GARRETT HAD SAID, WE NEED MORE TIME.

I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS MORE TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT IS COMING IN AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN MY AREA.

I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THEIR PERMITS TO BE REVOKED IN MY AREA.

UM, WE HAVE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THIS PAST WEEK.

THEY HAVEN'T HIT US, WHICH IS NICE.

UM, BUT THERE'S STILL DAMAGE.

THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL NOT DOING IT RIGHT.

I'VE PROVIDED PICTURES TO MONIQUE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT PER THE PERMIT.

UM, I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO APPROVE SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WORKING DAYS WITH THEM YET.

UM, THEY'VE ONLY BEEN REALLY GOING HA HARD AT IT NOW FOR A WEEK.

UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THESE PICTURES ARE DOING, YOU CAN COME OUT BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT STOPPED IN, UM, IN MY AREA.

UM, SO THEY ARE WORKING.

BUT COME SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, AND MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED ON THAT.

I JUST, I THINK HAVING THEM IN MULTIPLE PLACES IN THE COUNTY JUST ADDS YOU'RE RACKING UP MORE AND MORE DAMAGE BEFORE YOU CAN GET IT UNDER CONTROL.

I DO THINK THE PROCESS THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED AND THE MO THE MOU THAT YOU APPROVED COULD BE A GREAT, YOU KNOW, TOOL FOR THIS.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS SUGGEST HOLD OFF ON THIS A LITTLE BIT.

COME SEE WHAT'S

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THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU DANIEL.

I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF BUILD OFF OF WHAT NANCY WAS SAYING.

THOSE STREETS ARE INSIDE OF GASTONIA SCURRY SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT.

UM, THEY STARTED IN OUR AREA THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER AND THEY WERE SHUT DOWN RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

AND THE START, WE HAD ONE CREW AND THEY WERE BORN SIX TO 7,000 FEET A DAY, WHICH FOR A DISTRICT OUR SIZE, I HAVE FOUR GUYS, YOU KNOW, IT TAKE, I HAVE TO DOWN HALF MY GUYS TO DO LOCATES.

UM, RIGHT TOWARDS THE END WHEN THEY GOT SHUT DOWN, THEY BROUGHT ANOTHER CREW ON.

BOTH THESE CREWS WERE IN COMBINE AND UH, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH SHELLY THIS MORNING.

THEY HAD 32 WATER LINE HITS, SIX HITS ON THE SAME LINE.

SO IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MAYBE SLOW THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE ALL THE UTILITIES IN THE AREA TIME TO LOCATE.

SO, 'CAUSE THERE'S DAMAGES, THEY ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY RISK.

IF THEY DRAIN A TOWER, IT'S A BOIL WATER NOTICE SAMPLING.

AND THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S THE EXPENSE OF THE WATER REGISTER ALSO OR THE CITY.

SO WITH THE TWO HAVE TO REPAIR IT ALL WITH THE TWO BORN RIGS ON, I HAD ALL FOUR GUYS LOCATING AND THAT LEAVES NO TIME FOR ANY OTHER PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.

WE'RE ALL LOCATING AND I SEEN 'EM MAP AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THREE DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR DISTRICT IN FEBRUARY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT.

UH, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES THEY'VE BROUGHT IN? YEAH.

AND YOUR, IF YOU'LL TELL US YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION WITH THE, THE COMPANY PLEASE.

UH, STEVEN FOWLER, OPEN INFRA, UH, HEAD UP THE CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS.

UM, IN REGARDS TO WORKING SINCE WE AGREED TO STOP, UH, PRIOR TO, I THINK THAT WAS THE 20TH I THINK WAS, WE HAD THE MEETING, IT WAS WEDNESDAY THE 20TH.

I I CHECKED THIS MORNING.

SO LAST WEEK WHEN I GOT UP IN, IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU SAID WHERE WE HAD PERMITS THAT WERE CURRENTLY ISSUED.

SO NOT THE, NOT THE PENDING ONES, BUT THE ONES THAT WE HAD CURRENTLY ISSUED THAT YOU SAID THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO WORK IN THOSE AREAS AND THAT WE WOULD WORK ON PROCESS.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO IN REGARDS TO CONTINUING TO WORK, UH, WHAT GARRETT AND NANCY SAID, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING LEAVING LAST WEEK'S MEETING.

WAS THAT, WAS THAT CORRECT MO? TO, TO HELP HIM MAKE, 'CAUSE MONIQUE HAD ASKED ME IF THERE'S ALREADY PERMIT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE GEN ITEM FOR THE CURRENT ONES, BUT THE OTHER ONES HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR WITHOUT GOING BACK AND PULLING THEM BACK TO CHANGE THAT DECISION, UH, WE HAD SAID, GO AHEAD AND THE ONES THAT YOU ALREADY HAD APPROVED DO IT, BUT NO MORE WAS GONNA BE APPROVED.

THAT'S TRUE.

UNTIL WE GET THIS SOLD, WE'D HAVE TO GO DO, WE'D HAVE TO BRING BACK TO COURT TO REVERSE THAT ANYWAY, SO.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE ONLY AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN WAS WHERE THOSE APPROVED ONES WERE, WHICH IS, OKAY.

SO ON THE ONES THAT APPROVED, ARE WE STILL HAVING THESE SAME ISSUES? UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO WHO DO YOU HAVE OUT THERE THAT'S MANAGING THESE WORKERS TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OR CONTINUALLY HAPPENING? 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A PAIN.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO, UH, WE'LL BE MOVING A SECOND SUPERVISOR OUT TO HELP.

SO DENNIS HERE IS ONE WHO'S OUT HERE LOOKING AT IT.

BUT, UM, WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE CREWS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND, UM, SECOND SUPERVISOR OUT TO, TO BE ON SITE TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT EVERYTHING'S BEING DONE ACCORDING TO COUNTY SPEC.

AND I REALLY DO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS GUIDE AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT YOU GUYS EXPECT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, WITH YOU GUYS.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DAMAGES, UH, THINGS THAT AREN'T DONE ACCORDING TO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PERMITS, UM, ABSOLUTELY WE'LL HAVE THE CREWS GO BACK AND, AND PULL OUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT DONE PROPERLY.

UH, WE'LL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT AS SOON AS THIS MEETING'S OVER.

LIKE I SAID, I, I HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY SEEN, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS RAISED.

SO NO ISSUE WITH UH, WITH HAVING THEM GO BACK AND CORRECT.

ARE THOSE RECENT PICTURES WE HAVE THOSE ISSUES? YES, BASICALLY.

YOU HAVE COPIES OF THOSE? NO, SIR.

NOT YET.

LEMME HERE'S, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE COPIES THAT ONE LAST WEEK'S WORK.

AND ARE YOU REIMBURSING THE WATER DISTRICTS FOR THE WORK? THEY'RE HAVING TO COME IN AND DO REIMBURSING THE WATER DISTRICTS, UH, FOR THE DAM ROSE HILL FIXING THE DAMAGES.

SO, WELL, NANCY HAD SAID THAT THE, UH, NO ONE YOU'VE PAID MM-HMM.

HAVE THEY PAID THE SECOND ONE? NOT PAID THE SECOND ONE.

THE SECOND ONE I BELIEVE WAS DISCUSSED.

UH, CORRECT.

DID THE SUBCONTRACTOR COME BY AND DISCUSS WITH YOU? HE DISCUSSED IT ON THURSDAY.

A, UM, NOT AN AGREEMENT ON CULPABILITY ON, ON WHO IS AT FAULT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT ONE'S GONNA GO INTO FURTHER LITIGATION.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S

[00:35:01]

NOT AGREEMENT ON WHAT, WHO'S AT? I THINK IT'S GONNA GO TO INSURANCE.

OH, YOU'RE GONNA SEND IT TO INSURANCE.

THAT'S INSURANCE HANDLING.

GUESS IF THEY WEREN'T DRILLING IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

SO JUST, AND JUDGE JUST LET YOU SIR, UH, LET YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DETAILED MEETING ON THE 20TH AND COMMISSIONER BARBARA WAS THERE, THERE, THERE AS WELL.

UH, AND WE LAID DOWN WHAT TO EXPECT, WHAT NOT TO EXPECT.

ALL THE STUFF THAT OCCURRED THIS LAST WEEK, BORN JUST UNDER THE ROADWAYS, BORN ALONGSIDE ROADWAYS.

ALL THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

AND IT WAS PROMISED IT WAS GONNA BE ALLEVIATED AND, UH, STOPPED IMMEDIATELY.

AND THAT WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T PROVE THESE ROADS 'CAUSE WE WANT TO GO BACK AND REPAIR WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DAMAGED.

SO I KNOW LIKE 41 16 HASN'T BEEN REPAIRED YET.

EVERYTHING'S STILL IN THE GROUND.

ONE OF THE ROADS THAT'S ON THIS LIST HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE EVEN BEFORE THE PERMIT'S APPROVED HERE.

IT'S LIKE WE'RE HEARING ALL THIS, HEY, WE GOT THIS, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT, THE BLAME GAME, BUT NOTHING'S BEING DONE WITH IT.

SO AFTER THAT MEETING WE HAD THE 20TH.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT LIKE ALL POOR GUYS.

IT'S LIKE, NO, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP AND IT'S EVERYTHING'S THROWN ON DENNIS OR BLAMED ON SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO APPROVE, UH, THIS, THE, THESE PERMITS GOING FORWARD RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN NEXT WEEK I'D LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH LEGAL TO DISCUSS OKAY.

HOW WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD ON THIS.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A, A GOOD PLAN.

I WILL SAY AS FAR AS THE AREAS THAT WERE DONE OVER THERE THAT WE, UM, IN RETROSPECT DIDN'T HAVE PERMITS, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ANY OF THAT.

I MEAN, WE WE'RE GLAD TO RIP IT OUT.

WE JUST HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERMIT TO WORK TO DO ANYTHING.

WELL THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO RIP IT UP, BUT WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO KEEP DOING IT IN THE CURRENTLY PERMITTED AREAS.

LAST WEEK, TWO ROADS WERE DONE THE SAME WAY.

SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO GO RIP UP 41 16, NOW YOU HAVE TO RIP UP 2 7 7 3 0 2.

'CAUSE THE SAME THING OCCURRED THERE HAPPENED LAST WEEK.

SO WHEN WILL THIS STOP? IT'S DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE STOPPING.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO THERE'S A COMMUNICATION FAILURE HERE.

SO I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO NOT APPROVE THIS AND THEN NEXT WEEK I'LL TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT SURE.

BUT, AND, AND UNDERSTOOD.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL THINK IT'S REAL AGGRAVATING.

WHEN WE'RE PROMISED THIS AND NOTHING, IT'S LIKE TALKING TO MY THREE-YEAR-OLD.

UH, I KNOW YOU HEAR ME, BUT ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING RIGHT.

AND, AND DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE CREW A IS NOT LISTING OR BEING TOLD OR DON'T CARE.

TO TELL ME, AND THEY WEREN'T THERE YET, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WOULD'VE PROCEEDED TO HIT PIPES WITHOUT AT LEAST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY MIGHT BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH IT IS, BUT WE HAVE TO COME TO RESOLUTION TO FIX IT 'CAUSE IT'S OUR CITIZENS.

IT IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

UH, AND WE WASTE A LOT OF TIME HERE JUST CALL TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

UNDERSTOOD.

UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE OTHER POINT.

UH, SURE.

CITY OF CITY OF COMBINE WAS, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD THERE.

I KNOW WHEN WE CAME IN THERE, UM, SHE, UM, THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAD SAID THAT THERE WAS, UH, UH, THE ORIGINAL GENTLEMAN WHO WORKED FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE IT PASSED AWAY OR SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION ON WHERE THE LINES WERE.

THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF WHERE THE LINES WERE.

THEY DIDN'T, THE MAPPING WASN'T ACCURATE, ET CETERA.

SO WE ENDED UP SITTING DOWN, UH, AND UH, WE, WE'D AGREED TO PAY JUST ABOUT $17,000 IN, UM, NIGHT, WEEKEND, UH, OVERTIME FOR NEIGHBORING, I BELIEVE SCARY.

UM, AND, UH, SEVILLE WATER LOCATORS TO COME IN AND ASSIST AS WELL AS VAC TRUCKS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST TO HELP LOCATE, HELP THEM LOCATE THEIR LINES BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO.

SO WE DID HIT QUITE A FEW THINGS, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE ALSO ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, SOME, SOME OF THESE, A MAJORITY OF THESE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE FLYING BLIND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE BEST TO LOCATE THINGS, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN USE ECHOLOCATION SYSTEMS AND, AND VARIOUS THINGS, BUT, UH, THESE OLDER PIPES ARE JUST, IT'S, YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND 'EM, PHYSICALLY FIND THEM.

SO WE BROUGHT IN EXTRA CREWS AND, AND UM, LIKE I SAID, HAVE AGREED WITH HER, WE AGREED WITH HER TO PAY THAT FOR THAT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT AND TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AS BEST WE CAN WITH SOME OF THIS OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE IN ROSE HILL AND OTHER AREAS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE, WITH THE SCURRY, BUT, UM, WITH THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT AS FAR AS THE WATER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THESE UH, THESE PIPES ARE, ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND.

AND, UM, LOCATE MARKS AREN'T ACCURATE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU GET INTO SOME OF THESE DAMAGES BEING IN QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HAVING PHOTOS OF WHERE MARK IS VERSUS WHERE WE WERE.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, WHY IT GOES INTO FURTHER LITIGATION.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CONTEXT, UM, THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

AND IN COMBINE WAS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE TRIED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO DO THAT.

WELL, I'M SURE THEY APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD, MY WAY OF THINKING HERE, IF I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING AND WAITING ON SOMEONE

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WELL WE WERE, YOU MENTIONED FLYING IT BLIND AND, AND YES.

YOU WERE.

YEAH, WE, WE WE TRIED TO COSTLY.

WE TRIED TO, THE ISSUE IS WITHOUT EXCAVATING THE ENTIRE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP A TR BASICALLY EXPOSING EVERYTHING.

OH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING OTHER INSPECTORS OUT OR OH, OKAY.

LOCATORS OUT BEFORE YOU STARTED DRILLING AND SOMETHING ELSE TOO.

I WANTED TO DELAY THE WEEK TO SEE WHAT DAMAGES ARE GOING TO BE REPAIRED FIRST, WHICH THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S IN THE PLANS, BUT ON THE, THE LAST WEEK DEMONSTRATED NOW IT'D BEEN A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, OPINION FOR ME THIS MORNING.

IF LAST WEEK'S FOR WAS ON 2 7, 7 3 0 2 WAS DONE CORRECTLY, LIKE, HEY LOOK, THESE GUYS ARE STARTING TO DO IT CORRECTLY.

BUT YOU WENT BACK AND DID THE SAME THING THAT WAS COMPLAINED ON THE 20.

SO YES SIR.

THERE'S A COMMUNICATION FAILURE HERE AND WE CAN'T, MY FIRST OPINION IS WE CAN'T ALLOW YOU TO GET, GIVE YOU FOUR MORE, FIVE MORE ROWS TO GO DO THE SAME THING.

'CAUSE THERE'S STILL A COMMUNICATION FAILURE.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT, SO, OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.

SO WHAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN IS A MOTION TO DENY.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.

MR. BARBER MADE A SECOND.

CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

UH, WITH THIS, UH, MONIQUE WITH THE, THAT UH, PACKET.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I CAN, THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO GET TODAY OR WAS A TIMELINE ON THAT? YES.

I'LL SEND YOU A COPY OF IT TODAY, BUT ACCORDING TO THIS COURT, NOTHING'S MOVING FORWARD.

UM, OKAY.

SO DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF WHAT YOU HAVE? WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

AND DO YOU, SO DO YOU WANT US TO START TO PULL OUT THOSE THINGS OR DO YOU NOT WANT US TO TOUCH THE GROUND? I DON'T WANT YOU TO TOUCH ANY, DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING.

MY PERSONAL PAIN.

AND THEN NEXT WEEK I'LL PUT IT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR OUR DISCUSS WITH THE ATTORNEYS ON HOW TO PROCEED FORWARD.

NEXT, DISCUSS THE LINE RETURN.

BUT IT'S LIKE A PLAN.

ALRIGHT, MR. SHERIFF, YOU'RE UP

[13. Sheriff Beavers; Discuss/Consider allowing retired Deputy Galen Weir to purchase his duty weapon.]

DEPUTY GLENN, UH, GALEN WEIR TO PURCHASE HIS DUTY WEAPON.

GONNA SKIP DOWN TO NUMBER 15.

AS OUR POLICY WITH PEOPLE RETIRING OVER 20 YEARS, UH, OF, WE FORWARDED EVERYTHING PURCHASING, WHICH TOOK OUR THREE, THREE BIDS OF WHAT, UH, THIS HANDGUN IS.

AND TAKE, TAKE IT BY HALF PER HOUR POLICY.

SO IT'D BE 1 93 16.

WE NEED Y'ALL'S APPROVAL FOR HE CAN BUY HIS HANDGUN.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

HE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO RETIRE.

ENJOY.

IT'S, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. PHELP MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVORS SAY AYE.

WE'RE PASSED ON NUMBER

[14. Judge Allen; Discuss executing a letter of intent agreement, pursuant to Section 2254.003 of the Texas Government Code, selecting Brinkley Sargent Wiginton Architects as the proposed architect for services relating to the design and construction of a potential juvenile detention facility.]

14 AND NOW WE'RE

[15. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

MS. AUDITOR, CONSIDER LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS OR CORRECTIONS.

HAPPY TO REPORT.

THERE'RE NONE.

THAT IS GOOD.

YES, IT'S, WELL, I I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

WE APPROVE THAT ONE.

NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. BAR MAKES SECOND.

AND CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY YOU.

WHAT'S UNUSUAL? NUMBER 16, DISCUSS

[16. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor,]

ALL RIGHTY.

YOUR CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT ARE $977,001 AND 58 CENTS.

A PAYROLL OF 1,000,900 38,000 952 89.

TOTAL PAYOUT OF $2,915,954 AND 47 CENTS.

THESE WERE EMAILED TO YOU TO REVIEW YES.

PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? IF NOT, I ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. HUT MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

HAVE A SECOND.

MR. PHIPPS MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

YOU WANT ME TO A MOTION? IT'S UP TO YOU.

[17. Adjourn Meeting]

WAITING.

SEE, I THOUGHT MAY ADD SOMETHING ELSE.

OH, NO, NO, NO, NO.

ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

ADJOURN THIS MEETING MR. PHE MAKES A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MR. BARB MAKES A SECOND.