Mar 05, 2024 Commissioners Court

[Call to Order]

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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE THIS MORNING TO THE REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THIS FINE DAY IN MARCH AND THE LAST DAY TO VOTE.

SO IF YOU HADN'T DONE THAT, BE SURE AND GO DO IT.

OTHERWISE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA START THIS MORNING WITH OUR PLEDGES COMMISSIONER.

WHICH ONE Y'ALL? I, HE SAID HE WAS GONNA DO PHELPS.

GONNA DO THE PLEDGES.

AND COMMISSIONER BARBER'S GONNA DO THE PRAYER.

IF YOU STAND WITH ME, PLEASE PRAY WITH ME.

I HEAVEN.

ANY FATHER, WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALL THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU BESTOW UPON US AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TODAY AND, AND FINALLY GETTING, UH, THE ELECTION OVER WITH AND WANNA WISH EVERYBODY LUCK ON THAT.

UH, DEAR GOD, PLEASE, PLEASE BE WITH US, UH, THIS MORNING AS WE DELIBERATE ISSUES AND THINGS FOR THE COUNTY AND, UH, BLESS US ALL AND KEEP US SAFE.

YOUR SON'S NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.

AMEN.

AMEN.

A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, ONE WITH LIBERTY, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

UNDER HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER REGARD ONE INDIVIDUAL.

THANK YOU.

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

THE ASBESTOS REMOVAL WILL BEGIN ON THE 18TH.

WE FINALLY GOT, UH, PERMISSION FROM THE, UH, HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

MM-HMM.

TO BEGIN THAT.

AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE'RE UNDERWAY.

THAT'S AT THE OLD COURTHOUSE.

THE OLD COURTHOUSE? YES.

OKAY.

UH, CONSENT

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE ON THAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS.

OKAY.

MR. PHELPS MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE.

HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. BARR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

NUMBER THREE.

[3. Judge Adams: Discuss courtroom benches and chairs for Precinct 4.]

DISCUSS COURTROOM BENCHES AND CHAIRS FOR PRECINCT FOUR.

UH, JACK WANTS TO COME FORWARD.

HE'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

MORNING.

UH, THE JUDGE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME CHAIRS FOR THE, UH, MAYBANK FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, UNDER 2 63, UH, 0.152 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE WE CAN, UH, SELL TO OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

WE CAN EVEN DONATE IF WE WISH TO CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS.

UH, THEY MADE A OFFER OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THIS LOT OF PLASTIC CHAIRS, AND I'D MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO THAT.

OKAY.

AND THEY BROUGHT 'EM FROM PRECINCT FOUR WHEN HE CAME.

SO, RIGHT.

SO JACK MADE A, UH, AS A REQUEST TO HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I, A SECOND.

THERE YOU GO.

MR. TRUMP MAKES SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU, JACK.

UNLESS, UH, OH, BY THE WAY, NEXT TUESDAY EVENING, THEY WILL BE INSTALLING THE REST OF THE, THE BENCHES IN BOTH THE COURTS.

SO WE HAD TO GET A SCISSOR LIFT RENTED.

SO TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND CLOSE THE DAY THOUGH.

START THAT.

[4. Pam Corder: Discuss/Consider and take necessary action to Hayter Engineering's recommendation to reject all bids received at the bid opening held on February 15, 2024 and rebid the project for the street reconstruction on Valentine Dr. TxCDBG Grant CDV21-0039.]

PLEASE COME FORWARD, DISCUSS, CONSIDER, AND TAKE NECESSARY ACTION TO HADER ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATION TO REJECT ALL BIDS RECEIVED AT THE BID OPENING HELD ON FEBRUARY THE 15TH OF 2024.

AND REBID THE PROJECT FOR THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION ON VALENTINE DRIVE, TEXAS.

TEXAS CDBG GRANT.

CDV 21 DASH 0 0 3 9.

YES.

GOOD MORNING, PAM.

YEAH, GOOD MORNING.

SO I'M GONNA LET COMMISSIONER SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

UM, THAT'S IN HIS PRECINCT AND HE'S ATTENDED THE MEETINGS.

OKAY.

UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THE GRANT FOR VALENTINE'S SHORES.

I DON'T WANNA GO INTO NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO REVIEW, UH, UH, IF WE REJECT THIS BID.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE DETAILS ON THE NUMBERS, BUT BASICALLY IT WAS FAR OUT FROM WHERE WE NEED TO BE, THE BIDS.

SO, UH, WE RESTRUCTURED THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ROAD AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THIS, THESE BIDS, AND THEN TO REBID THE PROCESS FOR THE UPDATED, UH, SPECS ON THE ROAD.

AND THOSE ADS WILL GO IN THE PAPER ON THE SEVENTH, THE 14TH.

UM, OUR DEADLINE WILL BE THE 21ST AND WE'LL OPEN BIDS ON THE 28TH.

UH, EXCUSE ME.

WE'LL OPEN BIDS ON THE 28TH.

SO.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MOORE MADE THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

YEAH.

MR. BARR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NUMBER FIVE,

[5. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Consider Granting a variance to the County's direct lot Frontage requirement for Parcel ID 15325 in Precinct 3.]

DISCUSS, CONSIDER GRANTING ADVANTAGE TO COUNTY'S DIRECT LOCK FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARCEL ID.

15 3 25 IN PRECINCT THREE.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

SHE'S GONNA PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.

OKAY.

UM, AND I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYONE WE TABLED THIS, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY ON WHAT PART WAS A COUNTY ROAD AND WHAT WASN'T, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AN EASEMENT OR NOT.

UM, I DIDN'T HAVE THE ROAD REPORT AND NEITHER DID COMMISSIONER IN FRONT OF

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RIGHT.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY IT WAS TABLED AND NOW WE'RE BACK.

OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT SHOWING THAT IT'S PLUGGED.

THEY'RE NOT ON.

SHOULD BE ON MAYBE.

ALRIGHT.

WELL AND THIS IS WHY A PRINT , YOU ALL HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE DO HAVE A COPY.

YEP.

SEE? THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THE VARIANCE CAME INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UM, THE, UM, THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED.

A PORTION OF THE EASEMENT WAS MOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORS AND PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY FOR THEM.

THAT IS THE VARIANCE REQUEST THAT WAS RECEIVED IN OUR OFFICE.

SO THE PROCESS FOR THAT IS, IS THAT WE WOULD, UM, GET THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER, THE FIRE MARSHAL, A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, SEPTIC.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THE FACTORS IN A VARIANCE REQUEST TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF HARDSHIP THAT WOULD'VE PREVENTED THEM FROM DOING IT ACCORDING TO THE ORDER.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE MET AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP.

PRIVACY IS NOT A HARDSHIP.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, ANY SUBDIVISION COMING IN NEXT DOOR TO YOU IS A PRIVACY ISSUE.

SO WE DECIDED THAT THAT'S NOT THE ROUTE WE WANTED TO GO.

AND SO WE DENIED IT.

THE REGS STATE THAT IF WE DENY IT, THEY HAVE A SECONDARY RECOURSE, WHICH IS TO BRING IT BACK TO COURT.

SO WHAT OCCURRED WAS AN EASEMENT WAS PUT INTO PLACE.

AND IF YOU'LL LOOK ON YOUR SHEETS, THE GREEN PORTION IS WHAT IS COUNTY MAINTAINED.

THREE 16 B.

OKAY.

THE ORANGE PORTION ON YOUR PICTURE IS THE EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED BACK IN 1986, I BELIEVE IS THE 84.

84.

OKAY.

SO THE PINK PORTION IS THE PORTION THAT WAS ABANDONED AND MOVED IN 2020 TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUSHES OR THE TREES OR WHATEVER THOSE ARE.

THE BLUE PORTION YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE NEW EASEMENT THAT WAS CREATED IN 2023.

OKAY.

SO THE WAY OUR REGS READ, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FRONTAGE IN ORDER TO GET AN ADDRESS.

AND IF YOU CHANGE ANY PORTION OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU ARE THEN SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT RULES THAT APPLY.

THAT'S WHAT THE RULES SAY.

AND SO WE WENT BY THE RULES.

SO THEY'RE ASKING TO KEEP THE BLUE LINE TO REMOVE IT OFF OF THE OTHER PROPERTY AND HAVE IT ON AND KEEP THAT NEW EASEMENT.

SO THE VARIANCE IS TO GO AGAINST THE 75 FOOT FRONTAGE ORDER.

THEY WANT A VARIANCE FROM THE ORDER.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS.

WE HAVE MADE PEOPLE DO THE RULES SINCE 2020 WHEN IT WAS PUT IN PLACE.

YOU, YOU, I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP OTHER THAN A PRIVACY ISSUE.

UM, THE PERSON THAT SOLD THE PROPERTY HAS SOLD EVERYTHING AROUND THEM EXCEPT FOR THEIR REMAINING LOT.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY OWN, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'VE SOLD EVERYTHING AROUND THEM.

SO WE DIDN'T THINK PRIVACY WAS AN ISSUE, BUT WHATEVER WE DO TODAY SETS THE PRECEDENCE.

SO IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND BY THE FRONTAGE ORDER, THEN WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP AND MAYBE RECONSIDER WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND A WORKSHOP SO WE COULD DISCUSS IT.

BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA GO BY THE ORDER BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

OKAY.

AND I WANNA, AND ONE MORE THING, EASEMENTS, THERE'S NOT REALLY A CLEAR DEFINITION.

YOU COULD TAKE A FOUR WHEELER AND MAKE A PATH AND CALL THAT AN EASEMENT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

AND TO GET AN E 9 1 1 ADDRESS, YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO GET AMBULANCES NOW TO PEOPLE.

AND WHEN WE ISSUE AN E 9 1 1 ADDRESS, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF SAYING WE CAN GET TO YOU.

AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THE ORDER WAS PUT IN PLACE.

SO, OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE? I'M, DID YOU, DID YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, NO.

I LET HER SPEAK IF IT'S ON THAT SHE SPOKE THE LAST TIME.

OKAY.

YEAH.

CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE SHE SPEAKS? YES.

ON THAT BLUE LINE, YOU SAID IT WAS MOVED IN 2020, WAS THAT RECORDED? I SEE IT, YEAH.

20.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T SEE THOSE.

NO, THE BLUE LINE WAS MOVED IN 2023.

OKAY.

WAS AND IT WASN'T RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY? I'M NOT SURE THAT, I'M SURE IT WAS IN SOMEBODY'S DEED.

OKAY.

IT WAS, UM, DONE IN THE DEED WORK.

OKAY.

IT DIDN'T COME HERE.

OKAY.

NO, UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T COME TO THE, UM, TO THE COUNCIL AS IT SHOULD HAVE.

UM, THE SURVEYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SURVEYOR UNDERSTOOD ALL THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE THAT EASEMENT WHEN IT WAS DONE.

AND WE DID FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A HARDSHIP, UM, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY WENT WITHIN JUST A FEW FEET OF THE LADY'S HOUSE.

AND IT WAS A HARDSHIP ON THE OWNER AT THAT TIME.

THEY HAD, WHEN, WHEN MR. WEBB, WHO IS THE PRO, WAS THE PRES, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK WHEN THEY PURCHASED

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AND UNTIL, UM, SOLVED HOME PROBLEMS, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD EASEMENT ISSUES.

AND THEN THAT HAS SINCE MADE THEM SELL THE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT ALL THE EASEMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE A CHANGE.

THERE WAS STILL AN EASEMENT GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY'S YARD WITHIN A FEW FEET FROM THEIR HOUSE.

AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE, UM, MADE THE CHANGE OF THE EASEMENT WAS TO GET IT BACK ON THE ROAD SO THAT IT WAS JUST EASIER ACCESS AND NOT GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY'S YARD.

SO, UM, WE WERE STANDING ON THAT.

WE FELT LIKE THE EASEMENT WAS IN A BETTER PLACE.

UM, AND WE ARE NOT ASKING THE THEM OR THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD OUT THERE.

WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR A VARIANCE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE.

AND THEY COULD HAVE THE 9 1 1 ADDRESS OUT THERE SO THEY COULD BUILD OUT THERE.

THEY DON'T PLAN ON LEAVING THIS IN AG.

THEY WANTED TO ACTUALLY USE IT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

SO WHERE'S THE ROAD NOW? I MEAN, THERE'S A ROAD OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S UP THERE, IT'S JUST NOT MAINTAINED.

I MEAN IT'S, BUT WHERE WAS IT AT THE TIME? WAS IT ALWAYS TWO FEET OR WHATEVER FROM THE HOUSE? THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A ROAD THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY.

I'M SAYING IS IT, WAS IT ALWAYS THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE THOUGH? NO.

UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER A ROAD THAT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN WHERE THE EASEMENT WAS.

YES.

THERE WAS NEVER A ROAD WHERE THE EASEMENT WAS, IT WAS ALWAYS ALONG THE FENCE LINE.

IT WASN'T AN ISSUE BECAUSE HE OWNED ALL OF IT.

YEAH.

BUT HE BUT THE ROAD WAS JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE, HUH? I'M SORRY.

WELL THEN THE ROAD WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE, RIGHT? WELL, NO, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WHOEVER WENT THERE FIRST, THE EASEMENT WAS ALREADY ON THERE.

THEY EITHER DIDN'T READ THEIR PLAT TO KNOW IF THERE WAS EASEMENT THERE.

WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOUSE, THE EASEMENT WAS ALREADY THERE.

THEY BUILT THE HOUSE.

SO THEY BUILT THE HOUSE KNOWING THEY WERE, I THOUGHT THE HOUSE HAD ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

SO CLOSE TO THE EASEMENT.

AND SO HERE WE GO.

YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S KINDA LIKE ONE OF THOSE WE HAD BEFORE THE, THE, UH, THE FAMILY WITH, I DON'T KNOW, HOUSE IN THE FLOOD ZONE AND EVERYBODY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT ALL WAS WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING A HOUSE.

MM-HMM.

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SO THERE WAS NO ROAD.

THERE WAS NO ROAD, THERE WAS NO ROAD GOING DOWN THERE.

WAS THIS, THIS EASEMENT? YEAH, THE EASEMENT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FAMILY LAND.

SO THE EASEMENT WAS YEAH.

IN THEIR, IN THEIR USAGE A DRIVEWAY FOR ALL OF THEM.

RIGHT.

BUT HE WAS ALL SOLD OFF BY THIS GENTLEMAN.

OKAY.

AND SO WE JUST DIVERTED THAT ONE SMALL PART OF THE EASEMENT AROUND SO THAT WE COULD ACCESS THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE BACK PART OF IT.

SO WE WEREN'T GOING THROUGH THE YARD OF THE LADY THAT OWNED THE HOUSE.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WE WERE STAYING ON THE ROAD THE ENTIRE TIME.

WE WEREN'T GOING, UM, IN, AS THIS SHOWS YOU WOULD BE ACTUALLY GOING DOWN AND ACROSS HER YARD AND THROUGH TO THE NEXT PROPERTY.

AND INSTEAD OF THAT, THERE'S A ROAD THAT ACTUALLY GOES FROM THE YELLOW LINE TO THE YELLOW LINE.

THERE'S ACTUALLY AN EXISTING ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.

IT'S AN EASEMENT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IT'S THE EASEMENT.

IT'S NOT A CITY MAINTAINED ROAD.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST LIKE PEOPLE TO BE CLEAR.

THE PINK LINE IS THE EASEMENT.

DO YOU HAVE PHOTOS OF THIS WITH YOU OR ANYTHING ON YOUR PHONE? LIKE SHOWING HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO HER HOUSE? THE, I JUST, THE ONLY THING THAT I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD REGULAR PHOTOS.

LIKE FROM A, I JUST HAD THAT HOW MANY FEET IS IT APPROXIMATELY? UM, FROM HER HOUSE.

IT WAS WITHIN, UM, I THINK IT WAS WITHIN 10 FEET OF HER HOUSE.

OKAY.

AND IT WAS IN HER YARD AND SHE HAD CHILDREN AND SHE WAS MAKING A BIG ISSUE OF THAT.

AND HOW FAR DOES IT MOVE? IT, IT MOVES, IT ABOUT 20 FEET, UM, PAST THE TREES AND ALONG THAT ROAD THAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING.

AND IT'S NOT A ROAD, IT'S AN EASEMENT.

MONIQUE, WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL ISSUE? THE NEW MONUMENT.

YOU CAN PASS THAT DOWN.

I DIDN'T MAKE COPIES OF THAT.

HERE'S HER HOUSE.

MM-HMM.

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AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THIS, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S YELLOW LINES.

IT GOES HERE AND IT GOES DOWN THIS DRIVEWAY WHERE IT ALREADY EXISTS.

WE, WE HAVE, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL.

NOW IS THIS YELLOW ONE? THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT HERE.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THEY WANNA MOVE IT TO THERE.

SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE COUNTY'S CONCERNED, MONIQUE, WHERE THE, WHAT ISSUE WITH THIS? CAUSE LEMME JUST MOVE HERE WITH THE COUNTY.

IF WE GRANTED THIS, UH, WELL THAT'S NOT OUR ROAD.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

YEAH.

IT'S PRIVATE.

RIGHT? WELL I THINK, I THINK THE PRESENCE OF, IF, IF WE DO THIS FOR PRIVACY REASONS, THEN I THINK THE MONIQUE'S CONCERN IS THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA COME TO US FOR THESE VARIANCE SAYING YOU DID IT FOR THEM.

WHY? WHY, WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING IT FOR US? BECAUSE WE'RE SCREAMING PRIVACY AS WELL, BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION'S COMING NEXT DOOR.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

THAT'S WHY, UH, MONIQUE AND I WAS VISIT LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP

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SO, BUT THAT'D BE THE LATER DAY.

NOT TODAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE GET PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I GET ON THAT.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO GO BACK TO, IS IS THAT GONNA BE A PUBLIC ROAD? PUBLIC ROAD OR IS IT ROAD? IF THEY ON SUBDIVIDED, IT WILL EVENTUALLY.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A ROAD UNTIL IT'S BUILT AS A ROADS.

BUT IT WILL BE, THIS IS A LONG DRIVEWAY.

IT'LL BE A PRIVATE ROAD.

SO I MEAN PRIVATE IS THE DIFFERENCE DRIVEWAY.

SO IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US THERE, A PUBLIC ROAD GREEN, THEN THEY CAN'T, THIS IS ALL EASEMENT THEN THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MARRIAGE.

AND IS IT MAINTAINED NOW? YOU CAN GIVE EXCEPTIONS YES.

BY WHO? IT WAS MAINTAINED BY THE OWNERS AT THAT TIME.

OKAY.

AND THIS PERSON WILL MAINTAIN IT COMING TO THE PROPERTY.

THEY'LL HAVE TO SO DID THEY, SO WHEN THEY MOVED THIS, IT'S JUST A GRAVEL.

SO THEY, THEY BUILT A GRAVEL HERE? NO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

THIS ROAD THAT GOES BACK HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.

A S MOON.

HERE'S A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU.

I ASSUME YOU GRANT THEM A 9 1 1 ADDRESS.

I'M GUARANTEEING THAT AN AMBULANCE OR FIRETRUCK CAN GET TO IN ORDER FOR THAT TO DO THEN THE ROAD HAS TO WITHSTAND AT LEAST 75,000 POUNDS OF WEIGHT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT A FIRE TRUCK COMES WITH WATER.

WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO.

SO THE ROAD BEEN ENGINEERED WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE DONE.

THE HOUSE BEFORE WE GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GUARANTEEING IF WE DO THIS, WE SPOKE TO SOLVE YOUR HOME PROBLEMS LLC CODE HERE.

THEY DON'T INTEND TO BUILD ROAD.

THEY JUST INTEND TO SELL THAT LOCK BACK THERE.

WELL THERE'S ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED GRAVEL ROAD BACK THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

I'M SURE.

AND I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN MAKE IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET WELL, THEY CAN.

IT'S JUST GONNA EXPENSIVE.

YES.

AND WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS A PRIVACY ISSUE.

WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.

I'M SORRY, I JUST WENT BY THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

YEAH, NO, AND I, AND I JUST, AND THEY YEAH, THEY PUT PRIVACY, SO YEAH.

AND THEY DON'T LIVE, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT LOCAL.

I'M THE LOCAL PERSON IN FLORIDA AND IT WAS DEFINITELY A SAFETY ISSUE.

IT WASN'T YEAH, IT WAS, WE'RE BACK AGAIN TO SAFETY WITH THE AMBULANCE AND FIRER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I DON'T DRIVE PRIVATE ROAD OR COUNTY ROAD EITHER WAY.

AND CAN WE DO THE VARIANCE BASED ON THAT? WE ESTABLISH A ROAD THAT WILL SUPPORT THE AMBULANCE AND PEOPLE COMING DOWN IT.

SO WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH SOLVE YOUR HOME PROBLEMS. AND CHLOE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHY SHE'S BRINGING IT HERE TODAY, THE COMPANY.

RIGHT.

MAYBE SHE HAS TO, YOU KNOW.

RIGHT.

WELL THAT, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COURT TO DECIDE.

I MEAN ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, IF THE VARIANCE HAD BEEN THAT WE WANT TO, TO, UM, CREATE A GRAVEL ROAD INSTEAD OF AN ASPHALT OR CONCRETE AND IT MEET THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT OF 75,000 POUNDS, WE'D BE HERE FOR A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

BUT TODAY ALL WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO MOVE THEM AN EASEMENT FOR ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.

BUT THAT 9 1 1 NUMBER WON'T BE ISSUED UNTIL THE ROAD IS UP TO THE STOP.

RIGHT.

NO.

IF YOU GUYS GRANT THE VARIANCE, WE'LL ISSUE THE 9 1 1.

NO, THE PICTURE I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BARBER JUST SHOWED ME WAS RIGHT THERE WHERE THE YELLOW AND THE BLUE MEET ON YOUR MAP RIGHT HERE.

THIS ISN'T ON THIS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DRIVE THERE.

IT IS A DRIVEWAY THROUGH.

THAT'S NOT A ROAD, BUT IT IS BASICALLY, THERE'S ALREADY A SPLIT THERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

ONE ROAD'S ALREADY TRAVELING THE YELLOW LINE AND THE OTHER DRIVEWAY'S ALREADY TRAVELING THE BLUE.

SO THERE'S ALREADY A SPLIT IN THE ROAD THERE.

YES, YES THERE IS.

RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY THERE.

IT'S A MESS.

MM-HMM.

.

SO WE, IF WE DID, WE RAN THIS, I MEAN, SO IF WE GIVE THEM AN ADDRESS, WE'LL PUT ON THERE THAT THE ROAD IS NOT A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT MEET COUNTY STANDARDS.

THAT WAY WE CAN OBVIOUSLY IT DOES NOT MEET COUNTY STANDARDS THAT YEAH.

THAT WAY WE CAN COVER THE COUNTY.

HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT HAVE TO SAY.

THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY.

THAT'S AND IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY ROAD, THE ROAD.

EXACT SAME.

MM-HMM.

YEAH.

SO DOES THIS IMPACT WHERE THEY HAVE DEEP WORK TO REFLECT ANY KIND OF CHANGES YOU'RE LOOKING AT? DID DEEP WORK? YEAH.

SO THEY CAN ALREADY GO THIS WAY, I GUESS, FOR THESE PEOPLE ON THIS LAND? MM-HMM.

OVER HERE OR THIS LAND HERE? RIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND IT'S IN THIS PICTURE BACK.

SO THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY MOVED IT BY D THE PEOPLE THEY DID 2023, BUT WHEN THE ADDRESS, YEAH.

SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? I THINK WE'VE TALKED JUST TO DEATH THIS PRECINCT.

THAT'S FINE, MIRANDA.

WELL, I MEAN I, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND ALL THAT, BUT ALSO WE DO HAVE RULES AND WE PUT 'EM IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALSO OFFER A POSSIBILITY OF A VARIANCE.

SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY.

I THINK FOR TODAY, UH, WE NEED TO DENY THE VARIANCE IN MY

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AND MAYBE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE SEE IF THEY WOULD DO A ROAD.

UH, AND IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN BRING THAT BACK AND WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.

BUT I THINK AS FAR AS TODAY'S CONCERNED, WE NEED TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

OKAY.

I WILL SAY THAT, UM, A PIECE OF IT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE ALL THOSE LOTS HAVE SOLD, YOU WILL HAVE TO GET THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS TO AGREE TO THAT, RIGHT? YES.

THE OTHER, THE NEW THE NEW OWNERS YES.

WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.

MM-HMM.

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SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOLVE YOUR HOME PROBLEMS WAS NOT WANTING TO GET THEM INVOLVED.

MM-HMM.

.

RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR AS WELL.

WELL, AND I KNOW THAT THE ROAD IS ESTABLISHED, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THAT IT MEETS ANY REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S JUST A GRAVEL ROAD THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD ACCESS TO, UM, ON MR. WEBB'S HOUSE AND YOU'VE HAD A 9 1 1 ADDRESS OFF THAT ROAD ALREADY.

UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OUT THERE.

SO THIS ADDRESS WAS ESTABLISHED YEARS AGO.

OH, I KNOW.

SO I KNOW IT DIDN'T FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

COME BACK AGAIN.

IF WE ALREADY HAVE AN ADDRESS ON THAT ROAD AND WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND TO IT.

YEP.

AMBULANCE IS GOING TO RESPOND, FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL RESPOND.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF YOU ALREADY HAVE IT THERE, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IF WE'RE GONNA GO THERE ANYWAY, THEY MAY NOT GET THERE.

IF IT'S MUDDY, THEY MIGHT NOT NOW.

I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF THERE'S ALREADY AN ADDRESS ON THAT ROAD, WHERE IS THE ADDRESS ON THE ROAD SPECIFICALLY? THAT HOUSE ON MR. WEBB'S HOUSE.

THAT ONE HOUSE.

OKAY.

THERE WAS TWO, THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO HOUSE.

AND HIM AND HIS DAUGHTER.

YEAH, BECAUSE HE, HIS DAUGHTER IS THE OTHER PERSON THAT LIVES ON THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT.

THAT THE SAFETY ISSUE WAS HER, THAT WAS THE SAFETY ISSUE.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MARKING ON THE NINE ONE ONE CALL ROAD MIGHT NOT BE UP TO STANDARDS.

MM-HMM.

DO WE DO THAT? I'M SORRY? DO WE MARK IT WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL OR WOULD NOT BE UNDER THE, IT SHOULD BE ON THE, IT SHOULD BE ON THE NINE ONE ONE E CALL LIST.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ESDS USE MAPPING.

STEVE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

BUT WE LABEL THEM AS, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THEY'RE LABELED MAP FOR A REASON.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA RESPOND, YOU'LL KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT NOT A GOOD, AT A GOOD ROAD.

IT MAY NOT BE A GOOD ROAD.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT COLORS.

IF IT'S THE MIDDLE OF IT HADN'T RAINED IN MONTHS, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO DOWN IT, BUT RIGHT.

RIGHT.

IF IT'S IN, IF IT'S IN APRIL, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT DOWN THERE.

RIGHT.

AND THE, AND THE MORE DENSITY YOU GET, THE MORE YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND THERE.

RIGHT.

SO THE MORE HOMES THERE, YOU COULD HAVE MORE CALLS AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE HOME.

WELL, WELL YOU'RE, IT ENDS UP THE DENSITY IS BUT YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA BE PUSHING OUR RULES TO BE MORE STRINGENT WELL, THAN THEY USED TO BE.

YEAH.

AND 9 1 1 ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY, HEY, WE CANNOT RESPOND DOWN TO THIS ADDRESS AND WE'LL SAY, WE'LL RESPOND FROM THE COUNTY ROAD AND STOP.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

MIKE, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? WELL, YOU KNOW, A FIREMAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT SKEETS SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT, AND TERRY, BUT I, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE IMPACTS.

IF WE, IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE, I MEAN, HOW IS IT REALLY GOING TO IMPACT WHAT WE DO WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WITH ALL THE PLANNING AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YOU WILL BUILD SUBDIVISIONS OFF EASEMENTS, SUBDIVISIONS.

SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

NOW, IF WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP AND, AND, AND WORK THROUGH SOME PROBLEMS WHERE IT DOESN'T IMPACT THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE MEANT FOR THE RULES TO BE, TO ADDRESS.

RIGHT.

MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE ALWAYS GONNA COME BACK UP THERE.

THERE'S THAT STUFF THAT WE INHERIT FROM 50 YEARS AGO.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THERE, THERE WERE NO, IT WAS JUST THE WILD WEST.

MM-HMM.

.

AND WE'VE GROWN SO MUCH THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RULES WE HAVE NOW.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO MM-HMM.

FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT WE STILL NEED TO DR.

DEAL WITH WHAT WENT WRONG IN THE PAST.

CORRECT.

OR WHAT WAS DONE WRONG IN THE PAST.

SO I JUST THINK I, I FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TO GIVE IT OR DENY.

I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS AND FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

MM-HMM.

.

'CAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING IS VALID, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY GOING DOWN THERE, YOU WERE ALREADY RESPONDING AND YOU'RE GONNA GO.

BUT IF IT'S GONNA IMPACT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T JEOPARDIZE THAT.

CORRECT.

AND I, SO IF THEY COME BACK, IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP, WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS MM-HMM.

AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO DO IT THE APPROPRIATE WAY.

I, 'CAUSE I I KIND OF UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT LINES.

YEAH.

AND, AND Y'ALL ARE TALKING BECAUSE Y'ALL KNOW WHAT Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT.

AND I'M SAYING ALL I SEE IS A BLUE LINE WITH HEDGE ROW AND A PINK LINE AND THEN, AND, AND YOU KNOW, SO I, I JUST THINK WE, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T JEOPARDIZE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE RULES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

CORRECT.

AND, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR PROBLEMS THAT WE CREATED OURSELVES AS A COURT.

MM-HMM.

THE FACES WERE DIFFERENT BUT STILL THE COURT YES.

CREATED THOSE PROBLEMS. SO RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS FOLLOW WHAT THE COURT SAYS.

SO, WELL, AND I DON'T, I REALLY, TRULY

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SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU YEAH.

A SLIGHTLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A 10 OR MORE ACRE TRACT, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE IT WON'T BE TEN ONE ACRE TRACKS.

RIGHT.

SO THAT WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.

RIGHT.

SOMEBODY WILL SELL A 40 ACRE TRACK TO SOMEBODY.

MM-HMM.

AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER YEAH.

THEY'RE IN OUR OFFICE WITH A PLA YEAH.

SO WE ARE, AND THE WAY WE ADDRESS THE OLD ISSUES IS IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IT, IT'S GRANDFATHERED.

RIGHT.

THE MINUTE YOU MAKE A CHANGE, IT'S NOT.

SO THAT'S HOW WE HANDLED THE PAST, BUT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD COME AS WELL.

NO, I GET IT.

UNDERSTAND.

RIGHT.

AND IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

THAT'S WHY THE RULES WERE PUT IN THERE WAS THE HOUSE IS THE, THE NEW HOUSE, I GUESS THE NEW HOUSE OUT THERE.

WHEN IS THIS BUILT? I IT'S NOT, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT NEW SOMETHING.

IT'S PROBABLY FROM THE NINETIES OR EIGHTIES.

IT'S NOT WELL THEY'VE BEEN DRIVING 10 FEET.

THE HOUSE FOR SOLVE YOUR HOME PROBLEM SOLUTIONS IS SELLING THIS LOT.

WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT IT'S, IT'S NOT ANY ISSUE.

DO THEY KNOW? I HAVE NO IDEA.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE MARKET FOR SALE.

WELL THE PROBLEM IS IF IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE NINETIES MM-HMM.

, IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT.

YOU CAN'T DO, I THINK THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE EASEMENTS ACTUALLY WENT ON PROPERTY UNTIL IT'S SOLD.

UNTIL HE SOLD AROUND HIM.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

BUT THAT'S HIS PROBLEM.

WE CAN'T FIX, WE CAN'T FIX THAT.

NO, YOU CANNOT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING UNFORTUNATELY.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SET UP A WORKSHOP AND WE CAN REALLY DELVE INTO SOME OF THE RULES.

SO LET'S, LET'S DO THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO WHERE IT APPLIES TO ONE, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS.

ALRIGHT, SO LET'S DO THIS.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

UH, AND YOU HAVE A SECOND.

I IF YOU WANNA MAKE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, NOW LET'S COME BACK AND WORKSHOP THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN'T WORK THIS OUT.

UH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THAT WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DO SEE THIS ALL THE TIME.

PEOPLE I UNDERSTAND SELLING PROPERTY AND HERE COMES THE SUBDIVISION AND WOW, HERE WE ARE.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

WE, WE CREATED A PROBLEM THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE CREATED.

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO LET'S DO THAT.

AND THAT WAY IT'S FAIR TO EVERYONE, UH, AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, I CAN SET THAT UP.

IF THEY HAVE 10 ACRES, THEY CAN HAVE 10.

WELL ALMOST GOTTA HAVE ACRES USABLE.

NINE BECAUSE THEY GOTTA HAVE USABLE SPACE FOR THE SEPTIC.

SO ANYWAY, SO MOTION CARRIES.

AND SO WE WILL WORKSHOP THIS AND IF YOU HAVE HER INFORMATION WE DO.

WE DO.

WE DO.

WE GET TOGETHER AND YOU'LL BE WELCOME TO COME TO THE WORKSHOP.

I'D LOVE TO.

THANK YOU.

YES, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HEY MONIQUE? YES SIR.

UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET SOME DRONE PICTURES OF THIS INSTEAD OF JUST THESE DRAWINGS, LIKE ACTUAL PHOTOS.

STEVE COULD HELP US WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UH, SO WE COULD SEE BETTER EXACTLY WHERE THIS HOUSE SIT WITH THE ROAD.

STEVE, CAN YOU TAKE YOUR DRONE OUT THERE AND GET SOME PHOTOS OF THIS? YEAH, UH, I DON'T HAVE A DRONE.

OH, UH, SHERIFF DOES.

I'LL ASK THE SHERIFF YOU MIND AND DO IT.

MR. PAUL HERE.

OH, PAUL.

PAUL CAN DO IT.

PAUL CAN DO IT.

THERE YOU GO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I'LL ASK PAUL.

I THINK THAT'LL BE BETTER.

I'LL BRING THOSE TO THE WORKSHOP.

OKAY.

YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.

YES, SURE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

[6. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve the Final Plat of Marquito's Way located on CR 4013 In Precinct 4.]

MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

MARKETO'S WAY IS ABOUT FIVE ACRES AND THE OWNER IS SPLITTING THAT INTO THREE LOTS.

EACH OF THOSE BEING ROUGHLY 1.6 ACRES AND ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE AGENDA REQUEST PACKETS.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL TODAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? UH, TOMMY, THIS IS IN YOUR AREA? YES, SIR.

UH, SHANNON SENT ME ALL THE DOCUMENTS.

UH, EVERYTHING APPEARED TO BE IN CORRECT ORDER AND I ALSO WENT OUT THERE AND MADE SURE THAT, UH, I WASN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE ROAD OR THE DITCH AREA.

SO EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

OKAY.

HAVE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER MOORE TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

MR. BARR, MAKE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU SHANNON.

AND AGAIN,

[7. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve the Final Plat for Becker Crossing located on CR 4027 in Precinct 4.]

OKAY.

SO BECKER CROSSING IS JUST OVER 30 ACRES AND THE OWNER SPLITTING THAT INTO THREE LOTS, RANGING FROM FIVE ACRES TO 12 AND A HALF ACRES.

AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKET AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL FROM THE COURT TODAY.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER MOORE, THIS IS IN YOUR PRECINCT AGAIN.

YES SIR.

I REVIEWED IT AS WELL, SO EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS WELL.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BOARD MADE THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I SECOND.

THERE YOU GO.

COMMISSIONER, TO MAKE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SHANNON.

MR. JACK,

[8. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider advertising a bid for an annual contact for road material and hauling.]

[00:30:01]

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, GENTLEMEN, YOU MAY REMEMBER WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS.

I THINK A FEW OF US DID ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING THIS THING BACK OUT.

UH, THERE'S FIVE OR SIX MONTHS LEFT ON THIS CONTRACT, UH, BUT I THINK WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RESPONSES, UH, PREVIOUSLY TO GET YOU GUYS WHAT YOU NEED.

UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE AND I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A, MIGHT BE BETTER FOR US TO PUT OUT OUT A BID THAT'S MORE IN, IN THE SEASON OF THE ROW BUILDING SEASON VERSUS WHEN IT WAS DONE IN OCTOBER.

MM-HMM.

.

UH, SO I'M TRYING TO GET, TRYING TO GET SOME MORE QUALIFIED BIDDER FOR YOU GUYS.

UH, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ANY QUESTIONS, TIMELINE? UH, WELL I CAN PUT OUT A BID, UH, ADVERTISED NEXT WEEK.

UH, AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

UH, I JUST WANT, I KIND OF WANTED TO WARN YOU, JUST DON'T ABOUT THE PRICING, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT THE PRICE GOES UP.

UH, UH, WELL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PRODUCT, THIS PRICE DOESN'T MATTER.

UH, EXACTLY.

AMAZING.

SO, AND JUST A LITTLE HISTORY THERE.

UH, LAST YEAR WHEN WE BID THIS THING ON, ON THE DAY OF THE CLOSING BID CLOSED AT, UH, TWO O'CLOCK AND AT 10 O'CLOCK WE HAD FOUR BIDS.

AND SO WE WORKED THE PHONES AND BEGGED AND TWISTED ARMS. WE ENDED UP GETTING NINE BIDS.

UH, BACK THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF FOLKS THAT, UH, 'CAUSE OF THE PRODUCT BEING AVAILABLE OR LACK THEREOF, UH, THEY DIDN'T BID.

AND THERE'S ALSO SOME THAT DIDN'T WANT A HOLD PRICING FIRM.

SO HOPEFULLY THINGS HAVE DIED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE STATE.

I REACHED OUT TO THOSE FOLKS.

I'M, I'M ABOUT TO ON THE THIRD PERSON WITH TDOT.

UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE AN AVENUE FOR US TO WRITE ANY OF THEIR CONTRACTS.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY PROVISIONS, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

JUST, IT DOESN'T HURT TO ASK.

THEY CAN'T YOU RIGHT.

WE'RE CHECKING ON IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO IS ASK.

YEAH, WE'RE CHECKING.

I THINK IF WE DO LIKE A SIX MONTH, UH, THEY'LL BE MORE PRONE TO, UH, PUT BIDS IN WITH THE MARKET, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE MARKET'S GOING TO DO THIS YEAR, UH, GOING INTO THE SUMMER.

AND SECONDLY, THEY'LL GIVE US MORE OPTIONS FOR LIKE A 1, 2, 3.

THE FIRST, LIKE AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE ONE OF OUR, UH, VENDORS THAT WAS PROVIDING THE BASE ROCK COMMITTED A MONTH OF, UH, ROCK TO T DOT AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET IT.

SO THEN, SO WE HAD TO WAIT AND THEN, SO THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES ON THAT.

SO I THINK, UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO DO THAT SIX MONTH BID TO GET MORE VENDORS INVOLVED, MAYBE ON A SHORTER SCALE THAN TRYING TO DO A YEAR LONG CONTRACT TRYING TO HOLD 'EM TO THAT.

I THINK WHAT WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST OPTION IS TO MAKE IT A YEAR CONTRACT, BUT STATE THAT THE PRICING STAY FIRM FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT SIX MONTHS YOU CAN NEGOTIATE.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

I REALLY GET A YEAR LOCKED IN, UH, IF POSSIBLE.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, YOU KNOW, I JUST, WE JUST NEED PIG GRAVEL OR CHAT TO, TO BUILD A ROAD.

SO, MM-HMM.

AND, AND CURRENTLY AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT ENTITIES TO PIGGYBACK, BUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS NOW THE ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA PIGGYBACK THEIR CONTRACT EXPIRES IN IN MARCH AND APRIL.

SO JUST NOT HAVING A LOT OF LUCK.

OKAY.

AND I THINK ALSO INCLUDE LIKE INDEPENDENT TRUCKING COMPANIES BECAUSE LIKE ON SOME OF THE ROCK ASPHALT STUFF WE DID LAST YEAR, WE WANTED 10 TRUCKS.

UH, AND THE COMPANY SAID WE WANT TO GIVE YOU FOUR, BUT WE HAD NO ALTERNATE DRIVERS, LIKE FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES TO HELP US HAUL ASPHALT.

SO WE WERE STUCK WAITING ON TRUCKS BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR COULDN'T PROVIDE THE TRUCKS THAT WE NEEDED AT THE TIME.

SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL.

BUT OKAY.

I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.

MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AHUH, MOST CASE JACK NUMBER

[9. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider awarding and executing all documents related to Bid 24-03 Lower East Fork Lateral 10 Rehab, pending final approval by TSSWCB.]

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR METHOD, UH, I GUESS THE TRENCHING OR WHATEVER, IT'S A ONE PASS SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER 'CAUSE OF THE WATER, I GUESS POSSIBLY, BUT, UH, THAT KNOCKED A LOT OF FOLKS OUT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO GO, YOU CAN ONLY RENT THIS MACHINE ONE PLACE IN THE COUNTRY THAT, THAT MAKES A ONE PASS, UH, TYPE SYSTEM.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE ONLY HAD ONE BID.

UH, IT WAS, THE BID WAS 13,000,946, UH, 2 65.

IT CAME IN ABOUT 1.7 MILLION OVER BUDGET.

UH, AND THE STATE AND THE FEDS LOOKED AT IT AND, UH, THEY'RE MEETING THIS WEEK TO ACTUALLY GIVE A FINAL VOTE.

THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT ON THEIR PENDING, BUT, UH, I FULLY EXPECT THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THE STATE'S GONNA PUT MORE MONEY IN THE FED'S GONNA PUT MORE MONEY IN.

UH, ALSO I THINK THE PRICING WAS DONE TWO YEARS AGO ON THE ESTIMATES.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT WAS OVER BUDGET.

BUT, UH, I, I'D MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE AT ANY MONEY.

OKAY? MM-HMM.

, YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

MR. BAR MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A THANK YOU JACK.

APPRECIATE YOU

[00:35:01]

[10. John Polster: Discuss/Consider approving the authorization of the Addendum #2 to Task Order No. 20 between Kaufman County and Teague Nail and Perkins, Inc. for the SH 34-US 175 Connector Road with no revision to total Task Order amount.]

I SEE YOU BROUGHT YOU RIGHT HAND PERSON THERE WITH YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

KEEP YOU STRAIGHT.

I WANNA TRY TO, TRY TO HANDLE IT MYSELF, BUT IF YOU ASK ME ANY HARD QUESTIONS, BRENDAN, YOU GOTTA COME UP.

ALL RIGHT.

SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVING YOUR AUTHORIZATION OF ADDENDUM NUMBER TWO TO TASK FORCE ORDER NUMBER 20 BETWEEN KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEGNA PERKINS FOR THE, UH, SOUTH HIGHWAY 34, 1 75 CONNECTOR ROAD WITH NO REVISION, THE TOTAL TASK ORDER AMOUNT.

SO WE HAD, UH, SOME, UH, LINE ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T END UP NEEDING IN THE, UH, ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH TEAL, UH, AND TEAL.

WE, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY.

THEY ALSO DO SOME WORK FOR THE CITY TO DO THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGEMENT.