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WE'RE HERE IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON, UH, MARCH 12TH, 24 FOR A REGULAR MEETING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DO THE INVOCATION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMISSIONER MOORE DO THE PRAYER AND COMMISSIONER HUNT'S GONNA DO THE PLEDGES FOR US.
THE COUNTY JUDGE IS SICK TODAY.
HE, UH, AND, UH, WE, HE HAS A FLU OR BRONCHITIS.
HE BEEN SICK SINCE ABOUT FRIDAY, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL MOVE FAST AND GET OVER IT REALLY WELL.
UM, SO ANYWAY, IF HE'LL ALL RISE AND MR. MOORE STARTS THIS PROGRESS.
RIGHT, MR. GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY EACH WEEK TO COME AND, AND, UH, TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES AND, AND, AND TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU BE WITH US AND HELP US MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
UH, LORD, I ALSO ASK YOU TO BE WITH ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
I ASK YOU TO BE WITH JAKE AS HE'S GETTING WELL, LORD AND I ALSO, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR OUR MILITARY THAT'S SERVING AROUND THE WORLD.
OUR POLICE OFFICERS FIRE ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND ALL THOSE THAT MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT.
AND I JUST ASK YOU TO, UH, BLESS THIS TODAY.
AND WE PRAY, SEEN YOUR SON'S HOLY NAME, AMEN.
AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO DO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INVISIBLE.
[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]
RIGHT.ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE, UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING MYSELF.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'RE GONNA PASS ON ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA, UH, SAYS, UH, THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE, BUT THE MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THEM? NO.
COMMISSIONER HUNT MAKES A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF POLICE SAY AYE.
[3. Yazma Holland: Discuss/ Approve the Kaufman County Library closing on Monday April 8, 2024 to participate in the Kaufman Sol Fest at the Kaufman Sports Complex from 10 am- 4 pm.]
WE'RE GONNA PASS ON IT.UH, UH, JUDGE ALLEN TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT HE IS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CLOSING ANY PART OF THE COUNTY ON THIS DAY.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT THE NEXT WEEK AND WE'LL PROBABLY JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO WE'LL PASS ON NUMBER THREE.
[4. Commissioner Phillips: Discuss/Consider sending notice to City of Forney for non-renewal of ILA for Parking Lot at Precinct 2 Sub- courthouse.]
COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.WE HAD A, A QUITE A BIT OF TUR TURMOIL OVER THIS PARTICULAR THING.
UH, WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THEM, UM, FOR, UM, WE WENT TOGETHER AND BUILT THE PARKING LOT ON THE SIDE OF BUILDING.
AND SO THEY KIND OF ALLOWED PEOPLE TO BE ON THE PARKING LOT TO SET UP THINGS AND DURING THE VOTING.
AND SO WE, UH, UM, ACTUALLY SENT THEM A TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH WAS DUE.
AND SO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT DREW IT UP, SIGNED IT, AND PASSED IT FORWARD.
AND WE JUST BROUGHT IT FORWARD.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT WANTED ANY DISCUSSION ON IT OR NOT, BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT WE MIGHT OUGHT TO MAKE SOME KIND OF LITTLE BIT OF REGULATIONS OR SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF OVER OUR PARKING LOT AND WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE DONE ON IT OTHER THAN PARKING CARS AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN FORNEY, OR THAT'S WHAT THE PARKING'S FOR IS FOR PEOPLE.
DOWNTOWN RESTAURANTS, ANY, ANYBODY THAT'S IN FORNEY.
WE WANTED TO HAVE EXTRA PARKING SPACES AND THAT'S WHAT WE BUILT 'EM FOR.
WE DIDN'T BUILD 'EM FOR PEOPLE TO PUT UP TENTS AND, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENT ON IT, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, BUT ANYWAY, I SENT 'EM THE NOTICE, SO I GUESS WE'RE ALL MAYBE IN AGREEMENT.
JUST SAYING WE AGREE, UH, MOTION TO SAY, BUT WE TOOK IT, I GUESS.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION? YES, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO FIVE COMMISSIONER MOORE.
THIS IS GONNA BE HIS, THIS IS DISCUSSED THE ROAD FUNDING AND TRANSFER OF THE AMOUNT OF, UM,
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UH, THIS IS A TRANSFER THROUGH ITS.UH, WE HAD SOME BOND MONEY THAT WAS PUT IN MY DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT THAT WE SIGNED TO SOME ROADS IN THE CLOSE AREA.
WE FINISHED THOSE PROJECTS, HAD SOME LEFTOVER FROM TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, SO I'LL MOVED IT BACK TO MY DISCRETIONARY SO THAT WE CAN USE IT ELSEWHERE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT TRANSFER THAT THEY SENT US.
SO, SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION? YES.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER MOORE.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
[5. Commissioner Moore: Discuss/Consider/Approve Precinct 4 2019 Road Bond funding transfer in the amount of $195,414.30.]
[6. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve the Final Plat for Wellington Estates located on CR 316 and CR 316B in Precinct 3.]
SHANNON ROADIN, UH, TO DISCUSS THE PLAT FOR WELLINGTON ESTATES LOCATED IN COUNTY ROAD THREE 16 AND 31 6 8 IN PRECINCT THREE.WELLINGTON ESTATES IS APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES.
THE OWNER IS SPLITTING THAT INTO SEVEN LOTS, RANGING FROM 2.03 TO 2.7 ACRES.
UM, AS PER OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, THERE'S A PORTION OF THREE 16 B THAT IS MAINTAINED BY PRECINCT THREE.
AND FIVE OF THESE LOTS ARE OFF OF THAT MAINTAINED, COUNTY MAINTAINED PORTION.
UM, ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE AGENDA REQUEST PACKETS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL TODAY.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA, I SECOND AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE.
[7. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve the Replat of Lot 54 Kaufman Estates located on Frierson Road in Precinct 1.]
RIGHT.UM, WHATEVER IT IS ON WELL, IN THE ESTATES ALSO, THAT IS KAUFMAN ESTATES.
KAUFMAN ESTATE KAUFMAN ESTATES LOCATED ON RE ROAD.
SO LOT 54 OF KAUFMAN ESTATES IS ROUGHLY FIVE ACRES AND THE OWNER IS REPL THAT INTO TWO LOTS.
LOT 54 A IS GONNA BE 1.18 ACRES AND LOT 54 B IS 3.54 ACRES.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S A RECORDED SUBDIVISION, THIS HAD TO FOLLOW THE REPL PROCESS SO THE RESIDENTS WERE NOTIFIED, THE PUBLIC WAS NOTIFIED ALL AGAIN, ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED.
SO WE JUST NEED THE COURT'S APPROVAL FOR THE RELA.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE.
[8. Constable J Johnson: Discuss/Approve the Deputation of Joseph R Watts as a Deputy Constable with the Precinct #2 Constable's Office to fill a vacant Civil Deputy position in 152.]
UH, CONS.UH, CONSTABLE JOHNSON, UH, APPROVED FOR A DEPUTATION OF JOSEPH R. WATTS, DEPUTY CONSTABLE WITH PRECINCT CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, AND THEN THE CIVIL DIVISION.
SO DEPUTY WATTS ACTUALLY COMES FROM DALLAS COUNTY COUNCIL'S OFFICE.
HE'S GOT 25 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UH, HE'S AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY AND CIVIL PROCESS AND WR OF EXECUTIONS.
AND, UH, DEPUTY WATTS WOULD BE FILLING A POSITION THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY VACATED FOR REASONS THAT WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO DISCUSS.
AND, UH, I, I, UH, COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, UH, CONSTABLE WATTS, HE, HE'S RETIRED FROM DALLAS, RIGHT? OH, YES, YES.
HE RETIRED FROM, HE RETIRED FROM DALLAS.
I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, BUT ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION FOR Y'ALL.
I HAVE A COMMISSION, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA A SECOND.
[9. Constable J Johnson: Discuss/Approve Joseph R Watts to fill a vacant Civil Deputy position in 152 in the Precinct # 2 Constable's Office.]
YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT'S ON, I GUESS ALSO ON THE NEXT ONE.DEPUTY WATTS WOULD BE GOING INTO OUR BUDGET 1 52, WHICH IS THE CONSTABLE BUDGETS THAT WE HAVE THAT POSITION AVAILABLE.
AND IT'D BE PO PAID BY BOTH BUDGETS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT TOO.
I'LL SECOND, I HEARD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE.
[10. Constable J Johnson: Discuss/Approve the Deputation of Bryan Luna to fill a vacant patrol contract Deputy position in 193 (Devonshire) with the Precinct #2 Constable's Office.]
JOHNSON AGAIN ON THE DE OF BRIAN LUNA.DEPUTY, UH, I APOLOGIZE JUDGE.
UH, DEPUTY LUNA GRADUATED FROM THE, UH, POLICE ACADEMY AS A VALEDICTORIAN OVER HIS, UH, ACADEMY CLASS OF 32 OFFICERS.
UH, DEPUTY LUNA IS JUST GETTING INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
HE LIVES IN OUR PRECINCT AND HE WANTS TO BE A PART OF IT.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A POSITION AVAILABLE IN, UH, OUR DEVONSHIRE DISTRICT.
UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM WITH THIS AGENCY AND PUT HIM OVER THERE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
I'LL SECOND AND I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF PLEASE SAY AYE.
[11. Constable J Johnson: Discuss/Approve Bryan Luna to fill a vacant patrol contract Deputy position in 193 (Devonshire) with the Precinct #2 Constable's Office.]
TO DO IT ON THE CONTRACT,HE IS GOING INTO THE DEVONSHIRE, UH, DISTRICT.
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AND I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEXT, HE DOES IT BECAUSE THERE'S A CONTRACT AND CODMAN COUNTY'S HIRED HIM.ALRIGHT, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER.
[12. Casey Morris: Discuss/Consider/Approve changing Clerk 1 position to Office Manager position in Facilities Kaufman County Commissioners' Court Services.]
NEXT ONE IS CASEY MORRIS TO DISCUSS, UM, THE THING, BUT I'LL TALK WITH THE JUDGE AND WE'RE ALSO TABLING THAT, UM, 'CAUSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH AN EMERGENCY AMENDMENT DEAL AND THE BUDGET AND, UH, SAID IT'S BUDGET TIME TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.SO WE'RE MOVING ON FROM THAT ONE ALREADY.
UM, JUST NOT EVEN GOING TO DISCUSS THIS GUY.
[13. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Approve Open Infra install of Fiber Optic lines on County Roads 281 and 282 in Precinct 1.]
MOORE TO OPEN A FILE, THE INFRA TO OPEN INFRA INSTALL FIBER OBJECTS, LINES ON COUNTY ROADS.SO, UH, THIS IS PART OF THE NEW PROCESS FOR OPEN INRO FIBER INSTALLATION PROCESS.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE BORING ALONG COUNTY ROAD 2 81 AND 2 82.
THESE ARE, THIS IS TECHNICALLY TWO SEPARATE PERMITS, RIGHT? UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS ONLY AFFECTING THE KAUFMAN COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS A SECTION, I BELIEVE IT'S ON 2 81 THAT IS PART OF, UH, THE CITY'S MAINTAIN, UH, MAINTENANCE.
SO THIS IS PURELY JUST FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY ONLY.
I WON'T BE SPECIFYING THAT IN MY APPROVAL LETTER TO THEM ONCE I SEND IT THAT MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
GOTTA GET STARTED BACK ON IT SOMETIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE.
[14. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Approve Open Infra installation of Fiber Optic lines on Colonial Drive in Precinct 1.]
14 ALSO IS GARRETT MOORE ALSO INSULATION OF FIBER OPTICS IN PRECINCT ONE.UH, THIS ONE'S FOR COLONIAL DRIVE.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, JUST BORING IN THAT SUBDIVISION THERE.
UH, THEY WILL BE CONNECTING TO HOMES, BUT THAT WILL BE, THEY'LL BE CONTACTING THE HOMEOWNERS FOR THAT.
UM, THESE ARE COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREAS INSIDE THE PLANTS THAT, UM, I PUT ON THE, THAT I SUBMITTED.
BUT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN THOROUGH FOR THAT SUBDIVISION.
SO IT WILL AFFECT THE MOST HOMES, UH, IN THIS AREA.
BUT, UM, EVERYTHING ON THEIR PLANS CALLED OUT PROPERLY.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OF ISSUE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BALLER.
[15. Garrett Moore: Discuss/ Approve Open Infra installation of Fiber Optic lines on Masters Drive in Precinct 1.]
MOORE.I MEAN, NOT COMMISSIONER MOORE, BUT GARRETT MOORE.
DON'T BE CHANGING MY POSITION.
UH, AND, AND THIS ONE'S ON MASTERS DRIVE AND PRECINCT ONE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE RECORD, IT TOOK ME TOO LONG TO REALIZE THAT ALL THESE, UH, STREET NAMES WERE REFERENCES TO GOLF
I WAS LIKE, I KNOW PAR FIVE AND THEN MASTERS.
I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANYWAY, THIS IS GONNA BE BOARD ACROSS MASTERS AND, UM, SAME THING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE CONNECTING THE HOMES, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE, UH, PLAN SETS THAT, UH, GAVE ME PAUSE.
UM, WE GOT AN MOU SIGN FOR ALL THESE.
I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WE HAVE AN MOU SIGN FROM OPEN INFRA ON ALL THESE PERMITS.
SO THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN SET.
I'LL SIGN IT AND SEND IT TO 'EM ONCE EVERYTHING'S BEEN APPROVED.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.
AND I HAVE A COMMISSIONER
[16. Garrett Moore: Discuss/ Approve Open Infra installation of Fiber Optic lines on Par Five Drive in Precinct 1.]
ONE MORE.ANYWAY, NOW THAT I'VE SAID THAT JOKE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THIS OVER WITH AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
LIKE I SAID, SAME THING AS THE OTHER ONES.
DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT GAVE ME PAUSE ON THE PLAN SHEETS.
AND IT'S BACK IN COMMISSIONER HUNT'S PRECINCT ALSO.
SO COMMISSIONER HUNT MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER BARBER MAKE, GET US OFF THE MOWERS.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO EMBARRASS MYSELF UP THERE.
[17. Auditor: Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]
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ALL, WE HAVE LANDOWNER TRANSFERS FROM OUR AUDITOR.UM, THESE WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU PRIOR TO COURT, UM, FOR YOU TO LOOK OVER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IF NOT, WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF PLEASE SAY AYE.
[18. Auditor: Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]
ALSO, AUDITOR FOR THE CLAIMS AND PAYMENTS AND THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR.SO THIS WEEK WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE INVOICES, A TOTAL OF $1,042,556 AND 53 CENTS.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PAYMENTS ARE MADE UP OF, UM, EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT, REPAIRS, COURT COSTS, AND WORKERS' COMPENSATION.
ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVE TO PAY THE BILLS? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES THE MOTION.
AND I DID WANNA MENTION ONE OTHER THING THAT WE DID GET, UM, A RECENT AUDIT BACK FOR OUR ADULT PROBATION AND IT WAS A PERFECT AUDIT FOR THIS YEAR.
[19. Workshop: Discuss matters related to Easements.]
UH, NUMBER 19, THE WORKSHOP DISCUSS MATTERS RELATED TO EASEMENTS.AND I, I WOULD, UH, COMES MONIQUE.
SO LAST WEEK WE HAD A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR, UM, AN EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
AND YOU GUYS HAD REQUESTED A LITTLE INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT HANDING OUT LAURA, I HAVE YOURS NUMBER.
SO THE FIRST PAGE, UM, OF THE PACKET IS OUR OLD, OR OUR OLD FRONTAGE ORDER THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1998 THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WHEN WE DID THE, UH, NEW REGULATIONS, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO BRING IT BACK THROUGH COURT SO WE COULD UPDATE IT.
UM, DEFINITELY ADDING THE THOROUGHFARE TO IT.
SO THAT SECOND ONE, THE SECOND DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE CURRENT FRONTAGE ORDER THAT WE OPERATE OUT OF RIGHT NOW.
SO EASEMENTS ARE A COMPLEX THING.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT WRITTEN UP CORRECTLY, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, GUESSWORK IN WHO'S MAINTAINING IT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET EMERGENCY SERVICES TO IT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND SO OUR NEW REGS REQUIRE THE, OR AT LEAST THE FRONTAGE ORDER, SAYS THAT ALL LOTS NEED TO TOUCH A ROAD.
OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO CREATE A ROAD, A ROAD THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE TO GET TO THOSE LOCATIONS, TO THOSE LOTS.
IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING TO KAUFMAN COUNTY FROM OTHER STATES, THEY'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE BUYING IT SITE UNSEEN, OFFLINE, MAJORITY OF THEM.
SO THE LAST PICTURE WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT AN EASEMENT CAN LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR REGS ON REQUIRING AN EASEMENT TO BE PASSABLE.
IT COULD BE A TRACTOR ROUTE AND TURN INTO A ROAD FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT OR AN EASEMENT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
IF THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS, THEY MEET A, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXCEPTION, THEN THEY NEVER, THEY FILE AN AFFIDAVIT AND NONE OF THAT IS REVIEWED.
SO YOU HAVE BUYERS THAT COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THIS? AND THEN THE FIRST CALL THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IS TO Y'ALL SAYING, WHO'S GONNA FIX THIS? THIS ROAD? IT'S NOT A ROAD, IT'S AN EASEMENT, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
SO THE FRONTAGE ORDER IS THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE AS WELL AS ALLOWING EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR OWN INGRESS AND EGRESS.
WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE VERY POSSESSIVE NOW OF WHAT THEY OWN.
IT DOESN'T COME BY THEM EASILY AND THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY'RE UNAWARE THAT THIS CAR DRIVING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THEIR YARD HAS THE RIGHT TO BE THERE.
SO WITH THE FRONTAGE ORDER, IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS OR INGRESS, EGRESS, IF YOU WANNA USE THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY.
SOMEONE CAN BLOCK AN EASEMENT AND THEN IT TAKES COURT TO GET HOME,
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USUALLY, SOMETIMES.AND THAT CAN BE VERY COSTLY AND EXPENSIVE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU'RE IN A HOTEL OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO I WANTED TO JUST GIVE YOU SORT OF A LITTLE RUNDOWN.
I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE IN OUR FRONTAGE.
OKAY? SO IN ELLIS COUNTY, THEY REQUIRE A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE IN JOHNSON COUNTY, 150 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
AND IN HENDERSON COUNTY, THEIR FRONTAGE IS BASED OFF THE SIZE OF YOUR LOT.
SO IF YOUR LOT'S, THREE ACRES OR MORE, YOU NEED 250 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
SO WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THE FACT THAT, LOOK, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STOP, BUT WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A STANDARD.
SO THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED YOU TODAY.
I WILL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. DON'T COME UP UNTIL AFTER THE FACT.
WHEN I RAN INTO A GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SELL HIS FAMILY LAND, BECAUSE I GUESS HIS MOTHER HAD SOLD THE LAND AND THEY HAD ALWAYS USED THE SAME DRIVEWAY, UHHUH ALL THOSE YEARS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY PASSED AWAY, THEY WENT AHEAD AND FENCED OFF UHHUH THE DRIVEWAY.
SO HE HAD NO WAY EXCEPT TO GO THROUGH THE DITCH TO GET BACK TO PORT HOME.
AND THIS WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NEWS TO HIM.
SO HE WAS JUST GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE LEGAL.
ONCE I EXPLAINED TO HIM, IT'S REALLY A CIVIL MATTER MM-HMM.
SO, I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS OR SOMETHING CHANGES IN THEIR LIFE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ONE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
SO, I MEAN, WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME WAY TO PROTECT IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE THAT WE, THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO KIND OF PROTECT CITIZENS AND IT'S JUST KIND OF AN ANOMALY.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT YOU DO HAVE RULES FOR A REASON.
IT'S USUALLY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAVE A LOT OF, UM, RANCHES THAT WERE JUST A HOME AND A FAMILY TRACTED AND NOW THEY'RE BEING CHOPPED AND CHOPPED UP AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ORIGINAL HOME STAYS THERE, BUT THEY DON'T REALIZE IT WHEN THEY GO CUTTING THAT THEY GAVE AWAY THEIR ACCESS.
WELL, YEAH, WE, WE RUN INTO THE SAME TYPE OF DEAL WITH UHHUH.
ALMOST THE SAME THING WHERE WE HAVE A RANCH.
IT WAS ALWAYS THERE AND THEY SELL IT.
OR SOME COMMISSIONER DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO A BUDDY DEAL AND THEY START WORKING ON THE ROAD.
THEN THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR PERSONAL DRIVEWAY.
AND NOW IT'S A ROAD BECAUSE IT ENDS UP IN THE ROAD REPORT.
WE HAD FUNNY CALL, WE HAD A LADY SOLD THE FRONT OF HER PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE VALUE OF AN ACRE WENT UP CONSIDERABLY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO SELL OFF SOME EXTRA PROPERTY YOU HAVE AND SUBSIDIZE YOUR INCOME.
WELL, SHE SOLD THE FRONT AND KEPT HER LITTLE PRIVATE AREA IN THE BACK.
THEN SHE CALLS THE OFFICE, CHRISTIE TOOK THE CALL ACTUALLY.
AND SHE'S LIKE, THEY'RE SHOOTING AT ME.
AND SHE SAYS, WHY ARE YOU CALLING US? CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THEY SAID, YOU SOLD THIS TO US, YOU DON'T BELONG ON IT ANYMORE.
BUT SHE DIDN'T LEAVE HERSELF ACCESS TO GET TO THE BACK.
WE EVEN HAD A SOLAR COMPANY THAT WAS SHOT AT THAT ACCIDENTALLY JUST KEPT GOING THINKING IT WAS A ROAD AND THEY WERE SHOT AT TO GO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE GONNA DO A SOLAR FARM.
SO, LIKE I SAID, TIMES ARE DIFFERENT NOW, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANNA PROTECT THE CITIZENS COMING IN AND PURCHASING.
UM, WE HAVE THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONNAIRE THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET TO GIVING PEOPLE AS MUCH INFORMATION BEFORE THEY BUY SOMETHING AS POSSIBLE TO HELP THEM.
SO, BUT WHEN YOU'RE NOT, SO TAKE THIS ROAD, THIS PICTURE OF THIS EASEMENT I GAVE YOU, AND IF THEY ARE 10 ACRE TRACKS, THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM PLATTING.
SO SOMEONE WILL GO AND CHOP THAT UP INTO 10 ACRE TRACKS AND PUT IT ON THE INTERNET FOR SALE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOW UP TO.
THEN IMAGINE OUR PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE TO GIVE A 9 1 1 ADDRESS AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET A FIRE TRUCK OR AN AMBULANCE OR ANYTHING BACK THERE.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE REASONS WHY THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE AND THEY ARE MOSTLY FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
UM, WHEN YOU CUT LOTS, YOU GUYS KNOW PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DRAINAGE AND DRAINING YOUR WATER ONTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S LOT IS NOT ALLOWED.
THEY'RE LIKE, I WANNA DO THIS LITTLE THING TO WHERE I'M GONNA PUT IN FRENCH DRAINS AND JUST I WANT IT AWAY FROM MY FOUNDATION AND THEN THEY SEND IT TO THE NEIGHBOR.
SO A LOT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS THERE IS DRAINAGE REVIEW, THERE IS FLOOD PLAIN PROTECTION.
SO THERE ARE REASONS FOR WHY WE
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DO WHAT WE DO.WE'RE NOT TRYING TO OVERREGULATE AT ANY SHAPE.
AND THE ONLY RULES WE HAVE ARE WHAT 2 32 GIVES US.
WE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE JUST USING WHAT LEGISLATION GAVE US TO TRY AND MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN.
LET ME ASK YOU, SAY YOU HAVE, I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE HERE FROM WHAT A GENTLEMAN OVER THE WEEKEND WAS ASKING ME.
I KNOW IN 2019 EVERYTHING KIND OF TOOK ROLE AND STARTED BEING ENFORCED.
YOU KNOW, UH, IF THEY BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE 2019, NONE OF THIS APPLIED, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SPLIT IT.
LIKE MY ORIGINAL INTENTIONS WERE, BUT ONCE THEY APPLIED WITH YOU GUYS, THEY'RE TOLD THEY CAN'T DO THAT NOW.
WELL YOU TOLD ME I COULD IN 2018, BUT WHY? WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE DURING A LANDLOCK POSITION.
SO THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT TO ME LIKE, EVEN IF I PASSED AWAY AND I WILLED THIS TO MY CHILDREN, WHAT IS THE, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO RESOLVE THAT WITH BEING THAT THERE'S NO 75 FOOT FRONTAGE NOW? I MEAN, HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DEALING WITH THAT? I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION ON, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO GO BY THE APPLICATION DATE.
SO IF THEY, THEY HAD INTENTIONS OF DOING SOMETHING AND THEY DIDN'T, THE DATE THAT THEY COME INTO THE OFFICE IS THE DATE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK AT OF THE CURRENT RULES.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT NORMALLY LAND LOCKS ARE CIVIL MATTERS THAT THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN ACCESS.
SO WE DON'T DEAL WITH THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE LEGAL OKAY.
AND THEN ON THE EASEMENTS, I KNOW I'VE HAD PEOPLE CALL BEFORE SAY, HEY, THEY DON'T DO EASEMENTS HERE ANYMORE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, IN PRECINCT FOUR HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY SHARED BY MULTIPLE HOMES.
AND THEY SPEND THAT AWAY FOR, YOU KNOW, YEARS.
AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO, LIKE A CHILD WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND GET THEIR OWN ADDRESS, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, WELL THEY'RE, THAT'S THE EASEMENT, BUT THEY'RE BEING TOLD THERE IS NO EASEMENT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THE 75 FOOT RULES, WELL, THERE'S NO ROAD.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT, BUT THERE'S NO ROAD.
I'M SAYING, BUT THIS IS LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THOUGH.
BUT THEY'RE SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE 75 FOOT ROAD FRONT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT RULE'S KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING, RIGHT? IT IS, IT IS.
AND AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, IF THEY PUT THEIR CHILD ON THEIR HOME, THEY CAN SHARE THE ADDRESS.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE NEED AN ADDRESS FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
WE HAVE TOO MANY SEPTIC SYSTEMS. YOU CAN'T SHARE A SEPTIC BECAUSE IT ATTENTION, IT STARTS OFF AS FAMILY EVERY TIME.
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE FAMILY MEMBER DECIDES THAT WAS IT.
THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE INDEPENDENTLY AS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
IT MAY NOT BE THE DAUGHTER, IT MAY END UP BEING A RENTAL PROPERTY.
DAUGHTER GETS MARRIED FOLLOWING THE GUY THAT BECOMES NOW A SOURCE OF INCOME AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAMILY MEMBER.
SO WE'RE KIND OF HAVING TO LOOK AT THOSE CASE BY CASE.
BUT FOR SEPTIC ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM.
IT'S AN ASSET OUTSIDE THERE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S IN THE GROUND.
AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO VIOLATE OUR FRONTAGE ORDER IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
SO WE DON'T, WE TRY NOT TO, BUT WE, EVERY SCENARIO THERE IS A VARIANCE, THE COMMITTEE LOOKS AT THAT, THEY GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK, OTHER THAN THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, WE DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP.
WE DENY IT AND THEN THEY HAVE THE RECOURSE TO COME HERE AND AND STATE THEIR CASE.
SO THERE IS A WAY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS TO GRANT A VARIANCE.
UM, I JUST ALWAYS CAUTION THAT WHENEVER WE DO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT TO THE GUY DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT I CAN'T CONTROL, UNFORTUNATELY, IT ENDS UP NOT BEING, I'LL TELL YOU FOR INSTANCE, I LIVE ON FAMILY LAND.
THERE'S NOT ONE FAMILY MEMBER LEFT.
EACH ONE OF THE HOUSES HAD BEEN SOLD.
IT WAS INTENDED TO BE THE FAMILY COMPOUND.
BUT THERE'S NOT ONE FAMILY MEMBER LEFT.
THEY'RE ALL INDEPENDENTLY OWNED AND HAVE BEEN SOLD OFF FROM 1991.
SO THERE'S GREAT INTENTIONS, BUT IT ENDS UP, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT ENDS UP NOT BEING A FAMILY BY THE TIME IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
DO YOU HAVE A ROAD? HUH? I DON'T, I HAVE AN EASEMENT AND I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT EASEMENT.
NOT THE PERSON THAT GRANTED IT TO ME.
'CAUSE I JUST THOUGHT I GOT ACCESS.
I'M LOOKING FOR ACCESS NOW I'M PAYING, YOU'RE THE LAST PERSON ON THE EASEMENT.
AND SO I'M PAYING FOR THE THOUSAND THAT MAINTAIN THE ROAD FOOT ROCK RIGHT.
THAT I HAVE TO PUT DOWN TO GET TO MY HOUSE BECAUSE THE GUY UP FRONT, HE ONLY NEEDS ONE LITTLE TURN SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PUT ROCK.
WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF UNDERSTANDABLE IN A SENSE.
I MEAN, AND, AND EVERY WHO THOUGHT UP THAT WAS PRETTY SMART SAYING, HEY, WELL THAT'S THE MM-HMM.
IT'S, UNLESS THE EASEMENT, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT
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EASEMENT IS WRITTEN AND RECORDED MAINTENANCE FALLS ON THE PERSON USING THE EASEMENT.ACCORDING TO ALL MY RESEARCH, SO MM-HMM.
AND SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A SEPARATE ADDRESS ON ONE ACRE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT WE'VE DONE THAT.
THEY HAD A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE OUT BACK OR A, OR POOL HOUSE I GUESS, OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND USUALLY THOSE ARE DIFFICULT TO CUT OFF.
LIKE YOU CAN'T EVEN, LIKE YEAH.
YOU CAN'T SEPARATE, THE POOL HOUSE IS ATTACHED TO THE POOL SEPARATE.
SO UNLESS YOU DIG UP THE POOL AND TRY TO SEPARATE YOUR YARD, IT, I MEAN, SO THEY, THEY, AND THEN THERE'S THE CONTINUOUS ROOF LINE AS WELL RIGHT.
THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT, BUT NOT, NOT VERY GOOD.
WE, WE TRY TO COVER AS WHATEVER WE CAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO SEPARATE THE PROPERTY AND HAVE TWO PLACES UNLESS THEY MOVE INTO A UNLESS THE CITY TAKES 'EM IN.
AND THAT'S THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTIONS, 'CAUSE THESE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED US CORRECT.
WE HEAR PEOPLE WATCH 'EM SO THEY, IT HELPS GET THE MESSAGE OUT.
BUT NOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT THE BOARD LOOKS AT.
COULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS FOR ANYONE WATCHING? OKAY, SO, UM, FAMILY LAND DAD GAVE SEVERAL OF HIS KIDS PROPERTY.
AND UM, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WAS ONLY 0.25 OF AN ACRE.
UM, THE LADY LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND HER SEPTIC FAILED.
WELL, OUR OSSF ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW SAYS ONE ACRE.
SO WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.
SO WE GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THE SEPTIC SO THAT THAT OUTWEIGHS THE FACT THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE OR SHE DIDN'T HAVE ONE ACRE.
I MEAN, SO VERY, SHE DOESN'T VERY, SHE DIDN'T HAVE A HOUSE SITTING THERE WITH 10 BATHROOMS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
SHE'S LIVED THERE FOR AND THEN, THEN YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, AND THE CHILDREN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HER SIBLINGS WOULDN'T GIVE HER ANY MORE LAND.
SO THAT, I MEAN, SHE COULD, THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN HER MORE, BUT THAT'S WHAT DAD GAVE YOU.
SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT HAPPENS TOO.
WHEN PEOPLE PASS AWAY, THEY SEE A DOLLAR SIGN AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN HER MORE.
AND, AND WE ASKED ARE, IS SHE ABLE TO OBTAIN MORE THAT SHE COULD GET A PROP? YOU KNOW, SO THE SYSTEM HAD TO BE DESIGNED BY A SANITARIAN TO BE COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL ON THAT LOT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH TYPHOID AND RAW SEWAGE, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE VARIANCE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD GRANT A VARIANCE.
SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
AND THEN EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED UNTIL YOU CHANGE IT, UNTIL YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING NEW WITH IT.
I HAVE TO GO BY THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.
IF YOU LEAVE IT EXACTLY ALONE, YOU CAN USE IT THE SAME WAY YOU'VE BEEN USING IT FOR YEARS.
BUT WHEN YOU COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, I'VE DECIDED NOW I WANT TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, CUT SOME OF THIS AND CUT SOME OF THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO PULL OUT THE BIG BOOK.
SO, AND I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE NOW INCORPORATING SIDELINES AND BACK LINES.
AND SO WE, WE HAVEN'T GONE THERE YET, YOU KNOW.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COURT'S WANTING TO DO THAT.
WE CAN, THAT'S ANOTHER WORKSHOP ALTOGETHER.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE FOR OUR GROWTH.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN DOING IT.
AND A DEVELOPER BY THE STATE OF TEXAS IS SOMEONE WHO CHOPS IT INTO TWO OR MORE.
SO THERE'S A ISN'T THAT'S STRANGE.
'CAUSE I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, I'M JUST SOMEBODY TRYING TO CUT SIX LOTS.
BUT YOU'RE CUTTING THEM TO SELL THEM AND DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO.
BUT I'D ASSUME THERE'S PLENTY COUNTIES THAT PROBABLY YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SUBDIVIDE ANYTHING IN THAT AND SELL IT WITH OR GIVE IT TO YOUR CHILDREN WITHOUT PLAT.
SO I KNOW THAT HUNT, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT HUNT COUNTY IS, YOU HAVE TO PLA EVERYTHING.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THAT, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, IT SAYS YOU WILL NOT GET AN ADDRESS TILL IT'S PLATTED PERIOD IN BIG RED LETTERS.
SO WITHOUT PLAT
I, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN'T, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOBODY CAN GET TO IT.
SO WHAT DO YOU NEED A 9 1 1 CALL? YES.
AND THE CALLS ARE MORE, I MEAN, GET, WHEN YOU ADD DENSITY, THE CALLS TO THAT AREA ARE MORE FREQUENT.
THE THE NEED FOR IT IS, IS MORE RIGHT.
IF YOU HAD A ONE HOME ON A RANCH, YOU JUST KNEW THAT THING WAS GONNA BURN DOWN AND YOU HOPE YOU GOT INSURANCE.
WELL, THERE'S NO WATER OUT THERE.
SO, BUT IF YOU PUT SEVEN HOUSES ON ONE TANK TRUCK, GOT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S GONNA BURN TO THE GROUND.
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YOU'RE GONNA HOLD THAT WATER AND TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM SPREADING.AND THAT'S, AND THE SPREAD FACTOR IS THERE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE ONE ACRE TRACKS AND YOU HAVE THOSE HOMES SO CLOSE TOGETHER, NOW YOUR LOSS AND DAMAGE IS SEVEN HOMES, NOT ONE HOME.
SO AS THE DENSITY GROWS, SO DO THE RULES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER
OH WAIT, SINCE IT IS A WORKSHOP, ONE LAST THING WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
IF THERE IS A, UH, NEED OR YOU GUYS WANT TO REVISIT ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, WHICH MIGHT ALLEVIATE THE ROAD AS LONG AS IT CAN BE MADE TO WHERE IT WITHSTANDS 75,000 POUNDS, YOU, YOU DO HAVE THAT OPTION RIGHT NOW.
YOU HAVE IT AS ASPHALT AND CONCRETE AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, UH, AWARE, MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
YEAH, THE, I THINK THEY MADE IT HARD SERVICE JUST BECAUSE THEY LAST LONGER.
IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER A ROCK ROAD CAN HOLD OR NOT.
WELL, AND I, I MEAN I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IT'S VERY HARD FOR A FIRE MARSHAL OR ANY FIRE DEPARTMENT TO APPROVE.
I KNOW OF ONE IN MY AREA WHERE THEY PUT IN A POWER LINE AND THEY APPROVE THE ROCK ROAD BECAUSE THEY, I GUESS THEY INSPECTED IT, WATCH THEM HOW MUCH ROCK THEY PUT IN.
BUT UM, I LIKE TO SAY IT'S ONLY WITHSTAND 75,000 POUNDS FOR LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MAINTAIN IT NO LONGER, IT JUST GOES, THE ROCK GOES AWAY.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO BUY ROCK SO
I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
[20. Workshop: Discuss matters related to Fire Code updates]
OUR, THE NEXT PART OF THE WORKSHOP IS TO DISCUSS THE MATTERS WITH THE FIRE CODE AND THE UPDATES AND OUR FIRE MARSHALS UP HERE.AND, UH, TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.
SO JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS.
IT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO DETERMINE ON, UM, FIRE LANES.
WE WERE VERY RELIANT ON THE ENGINEERS TO GIVE US A LETTER SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA COMPLY, IT'S GONNA HOLD THAT AMOUNT OF WEIGHT.
SO, UM, AS PART OF THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT, IF WE ACCEPT A GRAVEL ROAD, UH, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ENGINEER'S LETTER ALONG WITH IT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UM, CAN LOOK AT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT AMENDMENTS TO THE FIRE CODE.
UH, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UM, I PROVIDED YOU TWO PAGES ON THE TOP OF YOUR PACKET.
THAT IS, ONE IS FOR GUIDELINES FOR SITE CIVIL PLANS AND ONE IS GUIDELINES FOR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND IT IS DIFFICULT FOR A LAY PERSON TO COME IN THERE AND GO THROUGH A FIRE CODE THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, 400, 500 PAGES LONG.
UM, IT'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS, A LOT OF LEGAL LANGUAGE THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND.
SO WE PROVIDE THESE GUIDELINES THAT IS JUST A, UM, KIND OF A RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, UH, IN THE PLANS WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTED.
AND, UM, SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING RIGHT NOW.
I WANTED Y'ALL TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT SO THAT Y'ALL CAN REVIEW THAT, MAKE SURE, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN OF COURSE AS WE LOOK AT ADOPTING A NEW FIRE CODE, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN CHANGE AS WELL.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, THE AMENDMENTS TO THE 2024 FIRE CODE ARE, UH, WITH LEGAL AND SO THEY'RE REVIEWING THOSE CURRENTLY.
UM, ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE STAPLED PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THE MAJOR CHANGES, UH, THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING OUT OF A, UH, NEW ADOPTION IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THIS.
UM, UP UNTIL THIS POINT WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD GOOD GUIDANCE ON HOW TO HANDLE, UH, BATTERY STORAGE, UH, SCOOTERS THAT ARE CATCHING ON FIRE AND, AND BURNING DOWN APARTMENTS AND BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD GUIDANCE IN THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONS TO RADIO COVERAGE.
UH, SO IN NEW BUILDINGS WE ARE REQUIRING THERE TO BE A, SOME TYPE OF TEST TO LOOK AT EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE.
UH, SO IF WE HAVE A SCHOOL THAT'S GOING UP, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FIRST RESPONDER RADIOS ARE GONNA WORK INSIDE.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF REPEATER SYSTEM IN THERE OR SOMETHING THEY'LL CORRECT.
SO THEY'LL PUT AN ANTENNA UP ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL, THEY'LL HAVE REPEATERS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SCHOOL.
UM, WE'RE RUNNING ENGINE CENTER AND EVERYBODY DOES NOW.
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UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH HAVING TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, TWO DIFFERENT RADIO SYSTEMS THAT ARE OPERATING SPECIFICALLY IN THE FORNEY AREA.UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE GMRS SYSTEM, WE HAVE THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY SYSTEM.
AND UH, SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE BOTH, NO MATTER WHICH FIRST RESPONDER IS COMING IN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE RADIOS THAT WORK IN THERE.
THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP, UH, RECENTLY.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FIRE LANE ACCESS TO UTILITY TYPE STRUCTURES, UM, THINGS LIKE SOLAR FARMS, UH, CELL PHONE TOWERS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE IT STILL REQUIRES THAT 20 FOOT FIRE LANE GOING UP TO THAT.
BUT IT'S AN UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME WORKERS GOING OUT THERE AND WORKING ON IT.
BUT, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY A FIRE SUPPRESSION CONCERN.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SOME TYPE OF EXCEPTION IN THE NEW ADOPTION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE A UTILITY ACCESS ROAD THAT WOULD BE REDUCED TO 12 OR 15 FEET.
WE COULD REDUCE THAT DOWN, UM, FOR THOSE I KNOW.
AGAINST THE FIRE TRUCKS DOWN THERE.
UM, WELL NOW YOU'LL ALSO DEAL WITH SOME YOU, A DECEPTION WOULD BE IF THEY HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING OR A SUPPLY SHACK OR WHATEVER TO STORAGE A WAREHOUSE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE JUST LIKE A, JUST A FOR A BATTERY THING OR SOMETHING I GUESS.
NOW WE'RE, WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE A LOT MORE FIRES WITH BATTERY STORAGE, SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I WOULDN'T ACCEPT.
UM, BUT UM, AS FAR AS LIKE IF THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOLAR FARM, LET'S GET THE FIRE LANE UP TO THE, TO THE OFFICE, BUT LET'S NOT PUT IN FIRE LANE FOR THE ENTIRE SOLAR FARM.
WELL MOST OF THE STUFF LIKE THAT IS GONNA BE A REMOTE LOCATION SHUTOFF ANYWAY.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO SHUT OFF ARE GONNA DO IT.
YOU NEED TO BE CLEARLY MARKED.
SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT TO GO OVER HERE, UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT UNDER EACH AMENDMENT THERE IS A REASON, UH, LISTED THERE SO Y'ALL CAN TAKE THE TIME KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND SEEING WHY, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST LET ME KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OVER ANYTHING.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR US.
DID YOU EVER FOLLOW UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CALLED ME ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF, UH, RATING OR ANYTHING ON THE PLASTIC PIPES.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT, UM, AND THAT IS ONE THING I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ADDING TO THESE AMENDMENTS.
UM, DURING ALL THE RECENT WILDFIRES, THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP WITH CULVERTS BEING MADE OF MELTED OR MATERIALS THAT CAN MELT, UM, WHICH CUTS OFF YOUR ACCESS FOR YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET TO PROPERTIES.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT IS EITHER IN THE FIRE CODE OR SOMEWHERE IN ANOTHER REGULATION, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BECOME AN ISSUE IF WE HAVE A WILDFIRE GOING THROUGH THE AREA.
WELL OF COURSE THE BIG DEAL WITH US IS COST.
SO I MEAN, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO KIND OF A, A RISK, RISK COST RISK ANALYSIS.
QUITE A BIT CHEAPER BECAUSE POLY PIPES, BUT I DUNNO IF IT'S POLY, BUT YEAH, I MEAN TOMMY'S ACTUALLY HAD EXPERIENCE WITH FIRES WITH, WITH THOSE KIND OF PIPES.
I WE HAVE NOT HERE AND THEN WHAT TOMMY WAS SAYING, HE DIDN'T LOSE ACCESS, IT JUST MELTED THE ENDS.
LIKE JUST MELTED IN EXPOSED PARTS WERE THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS AFFECTED.
BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WILDLAND FIRE THAT A LOT OF FUEL YES.
THAT'S, AND THAT, THAT MAY BE THE, THE OPTION WE COME UP WITH IS JUST SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S VEGETATION REDUCTION AROUND THOSE CULVERTS TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT GONNA BECOME AN ISSUE.
BUT THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S CERTAINLY OPTIONS.
IS THAT THE DOUBLE WALL THREE HDP OR WHATEVER? YEAH.
AND IT WASN'T LIKE THE, THE ONE WE HAVE, IT WAS THE ONES WE HAVE IS DOUBLE WALLED AND IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY TOUGH ON THAT.
IT'S MORE THE ONES THAT WHERE THE, THE LANDOWNERS GO OUT AND BUY 'EM AT LOCAL STORES THAT ARE NOT OF GOOD QUALITY.
THAT'S THE ONES THAT ARE MELTING MELTING.
BUT THE ONES WE HAVE, IT'S NOT, IT IS JUST A, IT IS A BETTER QUALITY.
SO I MEAN, SO ONCE WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SITUATION WHERE I CAN GO LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE BURNING UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'LL HAPPEN AND THEN WE'LL GET, GO OUT THERE, LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THE EFFECTS WERE ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE CULVERTS IS THE, THE CHEAPER METAL ONES WITH ALL THE NEW SPRAYS.
EVERYBODY COMES IN WITH THEIR DO THE YARD, THEY HIRE THESE COMPANIES AND THEY PUT SO MUCH CHEMICALS ON THE YARD, THEY EAT THOSE TENS UP AND NOTHING SCREWED.
AND I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN REPLACING 'EM LIKE CRAZY ON THINGS THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 YEARS OLD.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN HE'S, HE'S THE BOTTOM COMPLETELY OUT OF THEM.
THE WATER RUNS OFF THE YARD, RUNS THROUGH THE CULVERTS AND, BUT EVEN THE CHEAP ONES, THE ENDS MIGHT BURN, BUT THE CENTER OF THE
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CULVERT DIDN'T BURN IT STILL AND THERE'S NO FUEL.ALL THE ELEMENTS FOR THE FIRE.
SO THE CENTER PORTION THAT YOU'RE DRIVING OVER WASN'T AFFECTED.
LIKE THE ENDS WERE WHERE THE FIRE JUST PASSED OVER THAT EXPOSED UH, I MEAN AS LONG AS THE FUEL ISN'T PACKED INTO THE CULVERT LIKE
MOST TIME IT'S DIRT IN THE CUL SO THEY AIN'T BURN ANYWAY.
BUT, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY BIG EXCEPTION FOR THE ENDS THAT HAVE ENOUGH FUEL ON THE END OF THEM TO BURN 'EM UP, I WOULD THINK.
I MEAN THE GRASS ISN'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE, THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT LIKE 15 PILES OF WOOD ON EACH SIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM, WE WATCHED OUT CULVERT.
THERE'S EVIDENTLY 50 OR 60 EGG CRATES.
SO STYROFOAM EGG, EGG PACKAGE AT DEBBIE'S HOUSE.
LIKE WHAT IN THE WORLD
HOW THEY STORMING? HEY, MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP THE WATER FLOW, THEY'RE RETAINING WATER, TRYING TO FLOAT IT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY AN EXCEPTION.
NOT REALLY THE BIG THING TO WORRY ABOUT.
I WOULDN'T THINK BIGGEST THREAT THAT I HAVE AGAINST PLASTIC CULVERTS RIGHT NOW IS A BUSH HAUL.
I IMAGINE YOU CAN'T HARDLY BUY CONCRETE ONES.
THEY SO SHORT OF CONCRETE EVERYWHERE.
THEY CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MANUFACTURE 'EM FAST ENOUGH I DON'T THINK.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.
YOU JUST GOTTA FIND, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT PROTECT EVERYTHING.
SO ANY OTHER ISSUES OR ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE HEARD THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEW ADOPTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY DON'T.
I, I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH, YOU KNOW, UH, MOST PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, GRIP ABOUT THE COST, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING, PART OF, WE ARE STARTING TO GET INTO THE WARMER PART OF THE YEAR.
EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO BURN THEIR LEAVES AND EVERYTHING.
SO WHILE YOU'RE STANDING THERE TALKING ABOUT VALE, WOULD YOU KIND OF SHARE THE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM WITH EVERYBODY PUBLICLY TODAY? LET EVERYBODY KINDA KNOW, SIR, THERE'S NO CONFUSION GOING INTO THE ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT.
SO WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE VOLUNTARY PERMITTING SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWS SOMEONE TO NOTIFY DISPATCH, NOTIFY OUR OFFICE ALSO ALLOWS, UH, UH, NOTIFICATION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WHERE, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA BURN THEIR PROPERTY, UH, NUMBER ONE, IT'S A KIND OF A CHECK FOR THEM.
THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING IT LEGALLY WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE PERMIT.
THEY GET A LIST OF EVERYTHING THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BURN AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BURN.
SO THAT KIND OF TAKES CARE OF THE EDUCATION COMPONENT FOR US.
UM, AND UH, THAT, THAT LIST IS ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S LEGAL OR WHAT'S NOT, EITHER CALL US, UM, OR LOOK ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, THE UH, PERMITTING SYSTEM IS GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY DURING A COUNTY BURN BAN.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT UNDER ONE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO TURN OFF PERMITS OR TURN OFF BURNING, UM, DURING A BURN BAN.
AND THAT SENDS OUT A NOTIFICATION TO EVERYONE THAT HAS ONE OF THESE PERMITS THAT WE ARE UNDER A COUNTY BURN BAN.
UH, IF THEY TRY TO ACTIVATE THEIR PERMIT DURING THAT, IT WON'T LET 'EM.
UM, AND THEN IF THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BURNING AND HIGH WINDS KICK UP TODAY, UH, WE'LL PUSH A BUTTON AND IT WILL NOTIFY THE PERSON WHO'S BURNING THAT, HEY, UH, THERE'S HIGH WINDS COMING INTO THE AREA, HIGHWAY WIND COMING, MAKE SURE YOU PUT YOUR FIRE OUT OR, UM, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE, THE LAW THERE.
SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT NOTIFICATION ON EMAIL.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE OUT THERE BURNING THE HIGH WINDS COME BACK UP OR COME UP, YOU GO BACK TO THE HOUSE, CHECK YOUR EMAIL THAT NIGHT.
I GONNA BURN, YOU KNOW,
SO THERE, THERE IS A TEXT OPTION THERE AS WELL.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING IT FROM YOUR PHONE, IT SHOULD COME TO YOUR PHONE AS WELL.
MY BEST IS IF YOU'RE GONNA BURN SOMETHING, STAND THERE AND WATCH IT.
TEND TO TEND TO IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT AND COVER IT UP WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO SPREAD UP.
I'VE NEVER BURNED A PILE OUT THERE THAT I DON'T PUSH IT UP AND WITH MY TRACTOR AND COVER IT BACK UP.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, IT IT'S NOT GOING TO BLOW ALIVE ON ME.
YOU KNOW, SO, HEY KYLE, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT VARIANCES IN FIRE? YEAH.
SO, UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THE PACKET WAS UH, KIND OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DOING VARIANCES FOR UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
SO WE WANT TO KIND OF CREATE A MORE FAIR APPROACH TO THIS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE AREN'T COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE LOOKING AT VARIANCES.
UM, AND SO THE WAY THAT THE APPENDIX IN THE NEW FIRE CODE IS SET UP IS THAT UH, THESE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE APPOINTED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, KINDA LIKE AN ESD BOARD.
THAT BOARD WOULD HEAR MY ARGUMENT.
THEY WOULD HEAR SOMEONE ELSE'S ARGUMENT, UH, AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING SHOULD APPLY.
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WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON UH, HOW TO PROCEED.AND SO WOULD IT BE MADE UP BY, UH, SO YES YOU'D HAVE A FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER, UH, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS STAKEHOLDER IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT EACH KIND OF DIVERSIFYING, UH, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EXPERTS THAT UNDERSTAND FIRE RELATED ISSUES.
RIGHT NOW THEY USE THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT FIRE AND MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS IN MY OPINION.
SO HE WAS LIKE, WE PROBABLY NEED PEOPLE THAT MORE ASSOCIATED WITH FIRE YEAH.
SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE NEXT FIRE CODE.
WELL I'D JUST LIKE TO UH, SAY THAT UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A COMMERCIAL BUILDING FOR MY FAMILY BUSINESS, MY FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
AND I TOLD UH, PAUL AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I SAID, I'LL PAY THE SAME FEES AS ANYBODY ELSE PAYS NO FAVORS, NO NOTHING.
YOU'D TREAT ME JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.
AND BELIEVE ME THEY HAVE
UH, BUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS MYSELF, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY UH, WAY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.
AND UH, HE HAD TO EDUCATE ME ON A FEW THINGS BUT, UH, UM, THEY WERE EASY TO WORK WITH AND THEY, AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND UH, I, YOU KNOW, NO FAVORS HAVE BEEN HANDED DOWN ON ANYTHING, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ABOVE BOARD.
AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, BECAUSE NOW IF SOMEONE COMPLAINS TO ME ABOUT THE PROCESS, I SAID HEY, I'VE BEEN THERE.
THERE'S A REASON WHY WE DO IT THIS WAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL? I WAS JUST, THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED TO MY MIND IS FIREMEN TAKING COPS
MOSTLY THAT I THINK WE READY, YOU CAN ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST LIST AND PAY ATTENTION.
YOU CAN ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING THERE.
AND I KNOW ONE THING ABOUT FIRES, YOU MAKE SMORES WITH 'EM.
PERMIT CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT GET EXEMPTIONS FROM THE BURN VAN OR AGRICULTURAL YES.
WHEN THEY CALL US AND SAY BURN THERE.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS FOR EVEN DURING A COUNTY BURN BAN THAT UH, FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES FOR FIREFIGHTER TRAINING.
UH, THERE'S A A PRETTY GOOD LIST OF THEM.
UM, EVERY TIME WE DO A COUNTY BURN BAN, WE PLACE THAT IN THE ORDER.
UM, AND SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS OR IS NOT ALLOWED, LOOK AT THE ORDER THAT COMES OUT FROM COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WE ALSO HAVE THOSE, THOSE EXEMPTIONS LISTED OUT.
UM, AND WORST CASE SCENARIO, CALL OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I'D SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE BURN BANS NOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT 'EM.
UM, WE DO HAVE SIGNS ENTERING THE COUNTY AND SUPPOSED TO BE EXITING EVERY CITY BURN BANS.
AND I THINK DID YOU NOT YOU, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO KEEP UP WITH THOSE NOW AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT 'EM UP AND DOWN.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S THE, EACH PRECINCT WAS KIND OF DOING IT, BUT UH, I THINK THE LAST TIME WHEN YOU CAME YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO 'EM OR SOMETHING AND SO I HAVEN'T PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO 'EM, BUT WHEN I WAS COMING BACK AND THEN I SAW WHY I WAS GETTING ALL THE CALLS.
OH, ARE SOME OF 'EM DOWN? YEAH, IT'S DOWN.
DO Y'ALL HAVE LOCATIONS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE SIGNS? I DO.
IF Y CAN SIGN 'EM TO AND I THINK MIKE DOES.
I DON'T KNOW IF, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW YOU GOING TO DO IT IF WE ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
MY GUYS HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT AND IT'S JUST YEAH, I MEAN IT'S PLAY EASIER ON Y'ALL AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM FOR US 'CAUSE THE GUYS ARE OUT THERE ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF SIGN IT, IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE FLIP ONES OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN JUST FOLD DOWN AND OPEN THEM.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER AND ABSOLUTELY THE SAME KIND OF, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND, UH, SEE WHAT YEAH.
WE, UH, SEE WHAT MAYBE WE CAN ORGANIZE ON THAT SHAPE.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE, THAT YOU LET US KNOW THAT THERE ARE IN GOOD LOCATIONS AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR LOCATION IF YOU WERE PICKING IT ALSO.
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.
I KNOW WE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, AT THE COUNTY LINE ON ALL THE HIGHWAYS AND STUFF.
AND TDO USUALLY ALLOWS US TO PUT IT ON ONE OF THEIR ASSIGNED POSTS TOO.
SO I MEAN I JUST, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION JUST TO, THAT'S KIND OF REORGANIZED A LITTLE BIT MAYBE AND MAKE THEM, MAKE 'EM WORK, YOU KNOW.
WE UH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE FLIP DOWN SIGNS.
UM, LAST YEAR WE ENDED UP DOING THE YARD SIGNS.
THE LITTLE PLASTIC YARD SIGNS.
THEY DIDN'T BLOW AWAY, THEY BLEW AWAY IN SOME SITUATIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T LAST LONG HAVING REPLACE THOSE.
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AROUND USUALLY, USUALLY THE WATER COMPANY LET YOU PUT, LET PUT SIGN OUT FRONT.YOU KNOW, OUR WATER, YOU KNOW, OUR WATER COMPANY, WE PUT ONE OUT IN THE FRONT, THE YARD SIGNS OR WHATEVER.
BUT MAYBE IF YOU HAVE A BETTER EACH WATER COMPANY, SOME KIND OF SOMETHING MAYBE LESS, I'LL CHECK ONE OF 'EM TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A PERMANENT LOCATION THAT WE CAN PUT SOME IN.
MAKE 'EM WHERE THEY WON'T BLOW AWAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN IT WOULDN'T HURT A LITTLE METAL SIGN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN STICK IN THE GROUND OR WHATEVER.
BUT JUST, THIS IS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IN OUR AREA THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN VERY GOOD SHAPE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WE'LL DEFINITELY 'EM, BUT I, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW WHY I WAS GETTING SO MANY CALLS
SIMILAR LOCATIONS OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF LOOK AND SEE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE LOCATIONS OR WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE WE CAN PUT UP.
THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR EVERYBODY TO WE, UH, MAKE THAT LIST AND LET, LET HIM INSPECT ALL THE LOCATIONS AND WHILE HE IS OUT RUNNING AROUND.
SO WE'RE ALREADY, UH, HAVING TO GO OUT AND DRIVE THE STREETS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE, WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES IN OUR JURISDICTION.
SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF, OF THAT.
UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH, UM, WE HAD FLYERS THAT WE WERE POSTING AT BUSINESSES.
UH, SO YOUR, ALL YOUR GROCERY STORES, PLACES LIKE THAT, ENGLISH AND SPANISH, UH, INTERNATIONAL SYMBOLS.
SO EVEN IF YOU CAN'T READ EITHER ONE OF THOSE LANGUAGES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
THESE, THESE DIDN'T HAVE INTERNATIONAL, ANY SYMBOL OR SYMBOLS.
BUT UH, AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES, I HAVE NO CLUE ANYMORE
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD, JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE JUST NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR OUR FIRE MARSHAL? NO.
AND I THINK THAT ENDS OUR WORKSHOP AND THAT ALSO PROBABLY END OUR MEETING, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
I'LL SECOND AND COMMISSIONER BARBARA SECOND.