Apr 09, 2024 Commissioners Court

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[Call to Order]

I SEE IT.

WELL, THERE.

OKAY.

I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, UH, OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HERE ON APRIL 9TH, 2024, GETTING AT 9:00 PM 9:00 AM NOT PM AT 9:00 AM AND, UH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE IS GOING TO DO A PRAYER FOR US, AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER BARBER WILL DO OUR PLEDGES SINCE OUR OTHER TWO ARE ABSENT TODAY.

UM, AND, UH, SO IF Y'ALL PLEASE RISE.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS PART HEAVEN.

FATHER LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO SERVE YOU IN THIS CAPACITY.

LORD, WE PRAY THAT DECISIONS MADE TODAY WILL BE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU'D HAVE US TO DECIDE.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE LOVE YOU SHOW US AND THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU GIVE US EACH AND EVERY DAY.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE JUST, JUST GIVE YOU PRAISE FOR GIVING US A GOOD COUNTY.

LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE REIGN THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, AND, UH, UH, WE JUST GIVE YOU PRAISE AGAIN FOR THAT.

AND WE JUST ASK YOU TO BE WITH US AND GUIDE US IN ALL THINGS WE PRAISE SIN.

YOUR SON'S HOLY NAME.

AMEN.

AMEN.

OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INVISIBLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK Y'ALL.

BE SEATED, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT.

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ROUTINE RESPONDENCE.

I THINK EVERY, EVERYTHING WENT WELL ON THE ECLIPSE YESTERDAY.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING GIANT.

DID WE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, OUT OF THE ORDINARY SHERIFF? NO, SIR.

IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.

WE HAD A RELATION BETWEEN THE CONSTABLE, ALL OF US.

WE HAD ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 50 OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREET WORKING.

SO I THINK THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE WORKING WITH THE EOC UP AND RUNNING AND A WELL, GOOD PLAN OF ACTION AND WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED IT.

AND WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL AND GLAD.

EVERYTHING WENT GOOD.

YEAH, SO ME TOO.

IT WAS A GREAT DAY AND IT, AND THE CLOUDS BROKE A LITTLE BIT AND ALLOWED EVERYBODY TO SEE IT.

UM, I ACTUALLY TOOK A PICTURE OF IT.

I WAS PRETTY AMAZED THAT YOU COULD SEE IT VERY WELL, BUT IT, WE COULD.

AND, UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

UH, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA HERE AND THE MEETINGS OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT THEY WANNA MAKE ON IT OR ANYTHING.

AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN.

WE'LL, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

AND I ASSUME COMMISSIONER BARBARA WILL MAKE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

SO, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

MOTION

[3. Courtney Wortham/Lauren Rowe: Discuss/Consider approving the proclamation to proclaim the month of April as Child Abuse Prevention and Awareness Month.]

UH, NUMBER THREE ACCORDINGLY WITH THEM.

LAUREN ROLL, UH, TO DISCUSS AND APPROVING THE PROCLAMATION OF THE MONTH FOR APRIL, WHICH IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION AND AWARENESS.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER.

MAY I APPROACH? DO WHAT? SAY GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER.

I APPROACH.

YEAH.

, COME UP HERE.

COME UP HERE.

I'M GETTING DOWN TO IT HERE.

GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY? WE JUST, WE'RE DOING GREAT.

I KNOW.

I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, AS WELL AS CASA FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE COURT ALWAYS TAKING AN INTEREST IN THE KIDDOS OF OUR COUNTY.

APRIL IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH, AND WE JUST SO APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORT MONETARILY AS WELL AS READING THE PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN WHO ARE ABUSED AND NEGLECTED EVERY DAY IN THIS COUNTY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT SO FAR THIS YEAR WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE 107 CHILDREN FROM KAUFFMAN COUNTY.

AND SO THAT HAS, OBVIOUSLY WE SERVE MOST OF OUR KIDDOS WITH VOLUNTEERS, AND THEY HAVE SERVED OVER 18 H HOUR, 1800 HOURS FOR THE CHILDREN OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO WE DO WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, UM, AS WE'RE ABLE TO HELP MEND, UM, THESE FAMILIES' LIVES.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S REALLY VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

JUDGE WILEY, DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILEY IS HERE TODAY TO READ THEIR PROCLAMATION THAT JUDGE ALLEN HAS.

WELL COME HOME.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME? IS THAT OKAY? OR YOU WANNA READ IT AT ? I'M GONNA LET YOU LET YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT HER FOR I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT.

I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT HER.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT HER.

I DIDN'T READ OVER IT A MINUTE AGO.

OKAY.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I MEAN, WELL, I, I I THINK I SHOULD BE READING IT TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT, RIGHT TO YOU.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE.

AM I FINE? YOU'RE FINE.

KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT PROCLAMATION AND THANK Y'ALL FOR THIS.

OKAY.

IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE BELIEVE THAT EACH CHILD THRIVES IN A SAFE,

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BUT UNFORTUNATELY, CHILD ABUSE DOES OCCUR AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITY EACH YEAR.

THE MONTH OF APRIL IS DEDICATED TO RECOGNIZING THE CRITICAL WORK BEING DONE ACROSS OUR GREAT STATE TO SUPPORT FAMILIES BEFORE AND AFTER A CRISIS OCCURS.

CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION CANNOT BE TASKED TO ONE COMMUNITY, ONE AGENCY, OR ONE SYSTEM BEHIND.

MANY FAMILIES THAT SUCCEED IS A STRONG COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES A WAY FOR THE FAMILY TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDE THE CHILD WITH THE SAFE, STABLE, AND NURTURING HOME THEY NEED TO THRIVE.

WHEREAS KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, A DIVISION OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES INVESTIGATES ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT, PROVIDES SERVICES TO CHILDREN, AND PROVIDES HELP FOR PARENTS AND HOPE FOR KIDS THROUGH TIPS, ACTIONS, ACTION PLANS AND EDUCATION.

AND WHEREAS EMPOWER A COLLABORATIVE MODEL OF COMMUNITY-BASED CARE IN EMPOWERS CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

AND WHEREAS KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER KNOWN USUALLY AS THE CAC PROVIDES JUSTICE AND HEALTH FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IMPACTED BY ABUSE THROUGH ITS SUPPORT OF COLLABORATIVE CHILD-CENTERED RESPONSE.

AND WHEREAS KAUFFMAN COUNTY CHILD WELFARE BOARD, PART OF THE TEXAS REGION THREE COUNCIL CHILD WELFARE BOARD SUPPORTS A STATEWIDE NETWORK OF VOLUNTEERS CONCERNED WITH THE WELFARE CHILDREN AND FUNDS THE NEEDS OF CHILDREN IN CARE.

AND WHEREAS LONE STAR CASA EVALUATES THE VOICES OF CHILDREN AND KAUFMAN AND ROCKWALL COUNTY, WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED ABUSE AND NEGLECT BY PROVIDING TRAINED VOLUNTEER ADVOCATES TO WORK ALONGSIDE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES SO THEY CAN ACHIEVE SAFETY AND STABILITY TO FULFILL THEIR POTENTIAL.

WHEREAS REACH CHILD PLACING AGENCY PROVIDES LOVING FOSTER HOMES FOR CHILDREN TO HEAL FROM EXPERIENCE ABUSE, AND ARE NEGLECT WHO ENTER INTO THE TEXAS FOSTER CARE SYSTEM UNTIL CHILDREN CAN RETURN HOME SAFELY AND ARE ADOPTED BY THEIR FOREVER FAMILIES.

AND WHEREAS A FERN NORVILLE SHELTER FOUNDATION ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS WHO ARE DISPLACED FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM DUE TO ABUSE, NEGLECT, OR ABANDONMENT.

AND WHEREAS BIKERS AGAINST CHILD ABUSE WORKS TO EMPOWER CHILDREN BY PROVIDING EMOTIONAL SUPPORT AND SHIELDING THEM FROM FUTURE ABUSE.

AND TOGETHER WE CAN CREATE A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND ENSURE FUTURE LEADERS HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO THRIVE AND REACH THEIR POTENTIAL.

IT SAYS NOW THAT NOW THEREFORE, IJ ALLEN KAUFFMAN COUNTY JUDGE DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL, 2024 AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH IN KAUFFMAN COUNTY AND RECOGNITION OF THE WORK DONE BY INDIVIDUALS, ORGANIZATIONS, AND FAMILIES IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM ABUSE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO READ THAT.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL YOU DID A GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY.

COURTNEY, WE WE NEED A PICTURE OF YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO COME DOWN THERE AND HAVE A PICTURE? OF COURSE.

YEAH.

IT WOULDN'T BE A DAY IF Y'ALL DIDN'T DO THAT.

I GUESS.

WHAT A MONTH.

I GUESS WHAT? I'M GLAD WE GOT SOME AC BLOW.

WE GOT SOME AC PHIL FEEL ODD.

THIS IS ODD.

IT'S ALL HIGH.

WELL, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THEY USUALLY KIND OF STAND RIGHT IN FRONT.

OKAY.

THEY, I'VE SEEN 'EM DO IT A MILLION.

THEY ARE GREAT AT PICTURE TAKING.

Y'ALL GOT THIS RIGHT? THEY GOT IT.

WE PUT S***T IN THE MIDDLE, KIND OF RIGHT HERE.

I'M GONNA HOLD.

PLUS I LOVE YOUR TILE.

GET YOUR BLUE AND I'M GONNA GET READY YOU, HOW YOU DOING? YOU DOING SLIDE DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT AND YOU ALSO GOT BLUE IN IT.

HEY.

YEAH.

LOOK AT THAT.

ARE WE ALL IN THIS PICTURE OR DO WE NEED A DOUBLE? I'M RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

I'M GOOD.

YOU CAN SEE THE CAMERA.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? YOU NEED TO GET ON THE SIDE.

COME ON MON.

I CAN KNEEL.

I'M KNEELING.

DON'T BE PICTURE SQUAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

CAN YOU SEE YOUR FACE AND HOLD IT FOR A WHILE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE HER FACE.

I CAN SEE.

OH, OKAY.

ONE MORE.

ONE MORE.

PAM.

BLOW.

WE GOTTA GET LEFT.

.

ONE MORE.

ONE MORE, MAN.

OH, OKAY.

YOU DIDN'T GET, OH, YOU'RE GOING SIDEWAYS.

LEMME ALRIGHT.

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ALRIGHT.

THREE, TWO.

ALL THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY, ALL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK, WE APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THINKING.

WE WILL SEE YOU THURSDAY.

THANK YOU.

THIS , SHE WAS IN THE BACK.

SHE WAS PHOTO BOMBING BACK HERE.

YOU KNOW.

DO YOU NEED TO GET AROUND HERE? I GUESS WE NEED TO VOTE.

I'M MAKING MAKING IT TO MONTH RIGHT? DO WE, I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE? TO ACCEPT IT? ALRIGHT, SO YOU I CAN DO IT.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION.

AND I'LL SECOND AND UH, COMMISSIONER.

ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY A AYE.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

MOTION PASSES .

[4. Lynn Fanion: Present/Accept Collections Department First Quarterly Report for April 2024.]

A QUARTERLY REPORT.

ALRIGHT, LYNN.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, OUR TOTALS FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF, UH, THIS YEAR ARE THREE 76,521 AND 37 CENTS.

THAT IS AN INCREASE OF 39.22% FROM OUR PREVIOUS QUARTER.

AND THEN IT'S ALSO AN INCREASE, UH, OVER THE SAME PERIOD, UH, 23.49% OVER THE SAME PERIOD IN LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S A BIG WE HAD.

NICE.

THAT'S A BIG INCREASE.

WELL, SHE'S SO MODEST.

UH, I GET THE GOOD FORTUNE OF SUPERVISING LYNN, WHICH MEANS I HAVE A VERY EASY JOB BECAUSE SHE RUNS COLLECTION AND SHE JUST CHECKS IN TO MAKE SURE WE ORDER, UH, PENS FOR HER BECAUSE SHE MAKES IT HAPPEN.

THE REAL REASON I WANTED TO COME OVER AND MENTION TO YOU ALONG WITH HER, 'CAUSE I KNEW SHE WOULD JUST READ THOSE NUMBERS AND NOT GIVE HERSELF ANY CREDIT BECAUSE INITIALLY WHEN I TALKED TO LYNN, I SAID, WELL, WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S THE INCREASE? AND SHE SAID, IT'S TAX SEASON.

I SAID, WELL GIRL, IT WAS TAX SEASON LAST YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO IT'S, IT'S QUARTER TO QUARTER AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THE REASON IS AND I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING IT.

SHE HAD FOR THE LAST TWO BUDGET CYCLES SAID WE NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE 22 BUDGET.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN THE 2324.

AND COURTNEY WAS AT IT, COURTNEY WAS AN EMPLOYEE WITH US WHEN WE ACTUALLY STARTED IT.

SHE LEFT AND WENT INTO PRIVATE BUSINESS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET HER BACK, WHICH ALSO WASN'T EXACTLY OF COURSE THE MONEY THAT SHE MADE BEING WITH LINEBARGER, BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO GET HER BACK.

AND I THINK THE, I KNOW THE ADDITION AND THE INCREASE WAS THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE LAST QUARTER AND WE COULD SEE THAT IMPROVING BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO JUST BY HAVING ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS.

SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRING GETTING THAT PERSON.

SHE HAS MORE THAN PAID FOR HERSELF, EVEN WITH HER BENEFITS AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE THAT OVER THE REST OF THIS YEAR.

AND YOU ALWAYS KIND OF WONDER ABOUT THAT.

YOU WONDER WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A GOOD MOVE? IS THAT REALLY JUST GONNA BE FLUFF OR IS IT GONNA REALLY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE? AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT ADDITIONAL PERSON HAS INCREASED THE REVENUE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? UM, NO.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

, YOU KNOW, SHE'S NOT GONNA ADD ANYTHING.

WELL, SHE COULD.

I KNOW, BUT I MEAN SHE'S, WELL WE THANK Y'ALL.

IS THERE, THERE ANYTHING QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL.

YOU DO.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, IT'S, WELL, APPRECIATE IT.

BELIEVE ME.

THANK YOU.

LINEBERGER LOST IN OUR GAIN, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

I CALLED HIM JUDGE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT HER REPORT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BARBER MAKES IT.

AND COMMISSIONER MOORE.

SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THINK YOUR MOTION CARRIES JACKS.

SEBASTIAN, WHERE'D HE GO? THERE HE IS.

UH, SKIPPED FIVE.

FIVE MM-HMM? .

MIKE'S

[5. Commissioner Hunt: Discuss/ Consider a project agreement with the City of Post Oak Bend for County Road 279 Culvert Repair.]

OH, I SKIPPED IT.

I CIRCLED IT ALREADY, THAT'S WHY.

HANG ON.

WE'RE GONNA, I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR MIKE.

HE DID ASK FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION.

'CAUSE THIS ROAD REALLY NEEDS THE CULVER'S CAVING IN ON IT.

SO, UH, UH, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT.

I'LL SECOND AND COMMISSIONER BARBARA SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, JACK.

[6. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider purchasing a Bomag BF300 Paver for Pet. 3 Road and Bridge utilizing Sourcewell Cooperative contract number 060122-BA.]

GOOD MORNING

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GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

HOW ARE Y'ALL? ALRIGHT, WELL, ALRIGHT, YOU, I'M WELL.

ALRIGHT, GOOD.

AND THIS FIRST ONE'S OVER BO MAG BF 300 PAVER AND PRECINCT THREE.

UH, UTILIZING THE SOUTHWELL CORPORATION BOARD.

MM-HMM.

? UH, YES SIR.

UH, GENTLEMAN, A PRECINCT THREE NEEDS A PAVER AND, UH, THAT IS ON, ON SOURCE BALL CONTRACT AND THE TOTAL PRICE IS $280,059.

IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, PROCUREMENT WISE AND I'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ALRIGHT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND YOU'LL SECOND IT.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY A AYE.

THANK YOU.

[7. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider purchasing a Bomag RS460 Stabilizer/Recycler for Pet. 3 Road and Bridge utilizing Sourcewell Cooperative contract number 60122-BA.]

ALSO FOR PRECINCT THREE, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONER NEEDS A RECLAIMER.

UH, AND THAT TOTAL PRICE IS 555,384,000.

AND THAT AS WELL AS IS ON THE SOURCE.

WELL CONTRACT AND MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UH, I'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE THING CLEAR BEFORE I, UM, ASK FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED.

UM, I, I DO HAVE THE FUNDS IN MY BUDGET TO PAY CASH FOR THESE ITEMS. UH, BUT I CHOSE TO FINANCE BECAUSE, UH, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE MY SUCCESSOR CASH POOR WHEN HE COMES IN IN JANUARY.

'CAUSE THAT WAS DONE TO ME.

AND, UH, THAT'S WRONG TO DO THAT TO SOMEBODY.

AND IF HE MAKES A DECISION TO TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND PAY THESE OFF WHEN HE COMES IN, THEN HE CAN DO THAT.

UH, BUT, UH, WE NEED THESE MACHINES DESPERATELY SO MY GUYS CAN GET BACK TO WORK ON THE ROADS.

'CAUSE THE TWO WE'RE REPLACING HAVE PRETTY MUCH FALLEN APART .

SO, UH, I'LL MAKE THE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE ON THAT ONE AS WELL.

I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE MOTIONS AND I MAKE THIS THING QUIT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND SO ALL IN FAVOR OR AYE.

AYE.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU JUDGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS, JUDGE.

THANK YOU JACK.

ALRIGHT, GARRETT

[8. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Consider/Approve Open Infra installation of fiber optic lines on County Road 4098, County Road 4099, County Road 4100, County Road 4101, County Road 4102 in Precinct 4.]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF OPEN INFRA IN INFRA INSTALLATIONS AND, UH, AND, UH, AND FIBER OPTIC LINES ON COUNTY ROAD 40 98 AND COUNTY ROAD 40 99 AND 4,100 AND COUNTY ROAD 41 0 1 AND ALSO 41 0 2 AND PRECINCT FOUR.

MM-HMM, .

UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE STARTING ON THESE IMMEDIATELY.

THESE ARE GONNA BE DONE IN THE FUTURE.

PROBABLY, UH, IF I HAD TO GUESS, SOMEWHERE ABOUT THREE WEEKS OUT AT THE MOMENT, THEY'RE STILL WORKING IN PRECINCT ONE AREA.

UM, ON THE TWO ROADS THAT WE'VE CLOSED OUT ON INSPECTIONS, THEY'VE DONE PERFECTLY.

UH, IT'S BEEN WELL BEYOND THE, UH, DEATH REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE SET FOR THEM.

36 INCHES AND BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH WORKING WITH RAYMOND.

HE'S A GREAT GUY.

HIS CREW'S VERY GOOD.

THEY'RE VERY QUICK, BUT THEY'RE ALSO VERY PROFESSIONAL.

THEY DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING BLOCKING THE DITCHES WHEN THEY'RE WORKING.

THEY SET EVERYTHING OFF TO THE SIDE AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S CLEAN AND TIDY BY THE TIME THEY GET DONE.

SO I'VE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE NEW SUBCONTRACTOR FOR OPENING FRONT.

SO I TAKE IT YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE LOOKING AT 'EM UP? YEP.

YEP.

WELL, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THEM.

UH, THE THINGS THAT WERE LEFT UNDONE MM-HMM.

THAT THEY DID IN MY PRECINCT, FOR EXAMPLE.

YES.

ARE THEY GONNA BE COMING BACK AND FIXING ALL OF THAT? YES.

AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY'RE BRINGING IN A SECOND CREW FOR CLEANUP.

OKAY.

UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY UPDATE ON WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THEM IN.

I JUST KNOW THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THEM OVER FROM, UH, I THINK IT WAS, IT'S OVER SOMEWHERE ACROSS THE POND.

MM-HMM.

, UH, SWEDEN AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ONE OF THEIR BEST CREWS.

ALL RIGHT.

SUPPOSEDLY.

SO, UH, THEY'LL BE BRINGING SOMEBODY IN TO DO THE REPAIRS FOR IT.

I'LL, I'LL CHECK WITH THEM ON THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

AND, UM, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL LATER ON TODAY.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S THE SAME COMPANY? YES.

OKAY.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

ALRIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MOORE.

I'LL SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA.

MM-HMM.

.

ALRIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A A AYE.

ALRIGHT.

APPRECIATE IT GUYS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, NOW

[9. Auditor; Discuss/Consider line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]

GOOD MORNING.

THESE ARE GOOD MORNING EMAILED OUT.

UM, PRETTY ROUTINE, UM, LINE ITEM TRANSFERS AND BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I CAN ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.

BUT WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

WELL HAVE NONE.

MAY ELSE HAVE ANY? NO SIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BARBER MAKES A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

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THANK YOU.

[10. Auditor; Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]

SO THIS WEEK WE'RE ASKING FOR PAYMENT FOR ACCOUNTS A, UH, PAYABLE INVOICES IN TOTAL OF $858,545 AND 69 CENTS.

MOST OF THAT IS, UM, PROPERTY TAX REBATES THAT WE HAD TO SEND OUT AND SOME, UM, MISCELLANEOUS FINES AND FEES.

SO WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR THOSE INVOICES.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? NO.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND AND COMMISSIONER BARBARA SECONDS.

THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MOTION CARRIES.

UM, NOW WE'RE

[11. Workshop: Discuss matters related to FIF GRANT Projects with Freese & Nichols engineering firm.]

AND I THINK HE'S SITTING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND HE'S GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT, I GUESS.

UM, FREEZING NICKELS.

ALRIGHT.

I KNOW HE IS SITTING THERE.

THEY MIGHT ALL ALL RIGHT.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK AGAIN.

YES, SIR.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

GOOD.

LET ME, UM, BRING UP OUR PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME JUST SO WE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW.

ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL THANKS FOR HAVING ME AGAIN TODAY.

UM, COMING BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE FIF GRANT, UM, PROCESS AND THE, UM, OPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN FRONT OF THEM TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO PURSUE A FUNDING WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

UM, LAST TIME WE WENT OVER THE PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, UH, NEW FUNDING OPPORTUNITY? AND I GUESS TODAY THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE DETAILS, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF THOSE, UM, PROJECTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE, UM, WE HAVE A DRAFT CONTRACT THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UM, WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE A, UM, A COMBINATION OF A, UM, A STUDY, LIKE A PHASE TWO OF THE STUDY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE COMPLETED WITH THE COUNTY.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, UP TO SIX PROJECTS THAT COULD BE ALSO SUBMITTED, UM, FOR FUNDING IN INTO THIS PROGRAM.

NOW WE, WE DID DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, UM, LET'S CALL IT JUST THE CHANCES OF THESE PROJECTS OF GETTING, UM, AN INVITATION FOR A FULL APPLICATION OR AN INVITATION TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE FUNDING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RANKED VERY, VERY HIGH.

YOU KNOW, UM, OUT OF 615 PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE IN THE STATE FLOOD PLAN RIGHT NOW, UM, THESE SIX PROJECTS ARE RANKED LITTLE BE BELOW THE 400 LINE.

UM, SO IN GENERAL TERMS, THEY'RE NOT VERY WELL RANKED, UM, BUT WE KNOW THAT NOT EVERY PROJECT THAT IS ABOVE THEM WILL ACTUALLY SUBMIT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT IS AN UNKNOWN, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY APPLICANTS, UM, WILL MOVE FORWARD.

UM, BUT WHAT I DID TO HELP KIND OF GUIDE THE DISCUSSION HERE TODAY, AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE KNOW IN OUR COMPANY IN FRIESEN NICHOLS, WE HAVE CONTACTED A LOT OF SPONSORS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT AT LEAST ABOUT 30 APPLICATIONS WILL GO FORWARD THAT ARE RANKED ABOVE THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY PROJECTS.

THAT'S JUST WHAT WE KNOW, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T, UM, CLAIM THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO EVERYBODY ON THE LIST, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL, RIGHT? AND THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE COMING IN WITH VERY, VERY LARGE COST ESTIMATES.

SO EVEN IF THEY WERE ONLY TO GET THAT 30% GRANT, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM THEY WOULD GET, UM, IF ANYTHING, THEN YOU KNOW THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

AND MAYBE I SHOULD GO BACK TO THAT TABLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER, UM, RIGHT HERE.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE FIF OR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD

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SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET PAST THAT FIRST GROUP.

UM, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A SECOND CYCLE THAT IS GONNA START IN YEAR 2026, UM, THAT WILL ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, POSSIBLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE SECOND ROUND.

SO THERE'S THAT, RIGHT? UM, THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE.

SO REALLY THE BIG QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT YOU HAVE SIX PROJECTS, YOU HAVE TWO THAT ARE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE OTHERS AND ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANT THAN THE OTHERS.

SO GOING BACK TO THIS SLIDE, THESE ARE THE SIX CANDIDATES THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.

AND KING STREET ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 3 42, THOSE ARE THE TOP TWO THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR UP TO 35% GRANT.

SO THOSE ARE YOUR BEST CANDIDATES REALLY, IN OUR OPINION, RIGHT? UM, TO SUBMIT FOR FUNDING.

NOW YOU CAN SEE THEIR RANK, RIGHT? UM, THEY'RE QUITE LOW, SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE THAT PROPER EXPECTATION, RIGHT? IT COULD BE THAT YOU GUYS SUBMIT IT AND THEY DON'T GET INVITED FOR, FOR, UM, A FULL APPLICATION.

OR WE COULD BE SURPRISED, RIGHT? WE COULD BE SURPRISED AND, AND, AND SEE THAT THE OTHERS DON'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

UM, AND THE BOARD HAD TO CONTINUE REACHING OUT TO MORE AND MORE APPLICANTS GOING DOWN THE LIST, UM, FROM THE FIRST ROUND.

AND THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE IN THE FIRST ROUND.

THEY RECEIVE ABOUT 285 APPLICATIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND, SEND OUT THEIR FIRST SET OF INVITATIONS, AND THEY JUST HAD TO CONTINUE INVITING MORE AND MORE BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THE FUNDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT, I JUST SAY THAT JUST SO THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AND, AND PUTTING YOUR NAME IN THE HAT, AS I WAS SAYING LAST TIME, UM, IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG LIFT.

UM, OUR, OUR PROPOSAL HAS A $50,000 MAXIMUM LIMIT, UM, IS A NOT TO EXCEED CONTRACT.

UM, MY, UM, MY THOUGHT AND MY COMMITMENT TO YOU GUYS IS THAT WE'LL BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN TO SUBMIT AS MANY APPLICATIONS AS WE CAN, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH, HOW MANY YOU WANT TO INCLUDE, UM, FOR THE LESS, YOU KNOW, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? WE'VE GAINED EXPERIENCE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SEVERAL OF THESE APPLICATIONS SO WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SUBMIT THE INFORMATION THEY NEED.

UM, SO I THINK WE, AND THIS FROM OUR SIDE, UM, WE CAN BE VERY EFFICIENT IN SUBMITTING THESE INITIAL APPLICATIONS.

AND THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER, WE'LL JUST SAVE THAT AND WAIT AND SEE IF, IF YOU GET INVITED, THEN WE MOVE ON TO WHAT'S THE FULL APPLICATION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH PROCESS AND IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA EFFORT.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE SUMMARY FROM LAST TIME.

AND OF COURSE I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

SO WHAT YEAR DID THIS START? WHEN DID YOU GUYS, UH, 'CAUSE I COME IN LAST YEAR.

YES.

SO IT WAS MY FIRST YEAR.

SO WHEN DID THIS PROCESS START? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR THAT WAS? THIS STUDY STARTED IN 22.

OKAY.

THIS, WHEN WE INITIATED THE STUDY, UM, WE FINISHED IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

WE SUBMITTED THE REPORTS, THE FINAL REPORTS TO THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

UM, SO THIS IS COMPLETELY DONE BY NOW.

AND THIS IS, UM, THIS THREE, UM, THIS SIX PROJECTS CAME OUT OF THAT EFFORT.

UM, WE KNOW THERE ARE MANY OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO DO THAT.

BUT THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO CREATE THESE PROJECTS, RIGHT? TO SUBMIT THEM TO THE, TO THE ORIGINAL FINDING.

AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS, 'CAUSE I KNOW I WASN'T HERE FOR THE ORIGINAL, BUT IT'S KINDA LIKE THE LAST TIME, UH, IN NOTHING AGAINST YOU.

YES.

THE INFORMATION THAT'S BROUGHT IN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THESE PERCENTAGES ARE BASED OFF OF INCOME.

SO YES.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE IN MY MIND IS DID WE HAVE THIS KNOWLEDGE WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS? OH YES.

AND PAYING YOU GUYS TO DO ALL THIS RESEARCH TO COME TO THE END OF THE TABLE, LIKE, OH YEAH, THIS COUNTY MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY, SO IT'S GONNA THROW YOU A LOWER PERCENTAGE BRACKET.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT.

'CAUSE EVEN ON THE TOP ONE AT THREE POINT, UH, 3 MILLION, 319,000, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE COUNTY

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SO, AND I'M ASSUMING, DOES THAT COME OUTTA THE ROAD AND BRIDGE OR IS THAT GENERAL FUND? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHERE'S THE 1 MILLION COMING FROM? SO I DON'T KNOW.

SKEE, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LITTLE LONGER THAN I HAVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE, I THINK IS WHERE'S THIS MONEY GONNA COME FROM AND IF IT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THAT PRECINCT, WHICH WOULD BE MIKE'S PRECINCT, DOES HE HAVE THAT MONEY TO DO THAT? SO, OR WHERE WOULD WE GET IT FROM? YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES AHEAD OF TIME.

THESE PERCENTAGES ARE BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD SUBMITTED, UM, IN THEIR INTENDED USE PLAN.

AND THAT CAME OUT IN DECEMBER.

THAT'S WHEN WE ALL KNEW KINDA AFTERWARDS, THESE ARE THE RULES IF WE WERE WORKING OFF A GRANT TO HIRE THEM TO DO THIS.

SO, I MEAN, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN LESS WORKSHOP, WELL, NOBODY REALLY HAVE THAT MONEY.

AND THEN THERE'S A LOAN FACTOR THAT YES, WE COULD ACTUALLY BORROW THE MONEY TO CLEAR UP A, A REAL FLOOD ISSUE AND THE MORE PEOPLE WE GET AND THE MORE WE HAPPEN.

AND IN FIVE YEARS THIS FLOOD ISSUES LEVEL WILL BE A LOT GREATER THAN IT IS NOW.

I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SHOT AT TELLING US THAT.

MM-HMM.

.

BUT I MEAN THE MORE MONEY, THE MORE WATER WE SEND DOWN SOUTH FASTER, THE MORE ALL THIS STARTS TO INCREASE.

AND SO AT SOME POINT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, PEOPLE'S GONNA HAVE TO START WAKING UP TO THE FLOOD ISSUES AND THE POPULATION EXPLOSION AND WHERE THE WATER'S GOING TO GO.

I MEAN, THAT IS THE TRUTH.

I MEAN, AND IT'S KIND OF A THING THAT THE STATE AND THE GRANTS NEED TO STEP UP FOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE COUNTIES DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT YET AND WE WON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

BUT I GUESS MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS, EVEN AT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WE STILL HAVE TILL WHAT, UH, WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT THAT SUBMITTAL IN ON THIS? THAT LINE IS ON MONDAY, APRIL 15TH.

MONDAY.

NO, THAT'S JUST FOR THE $5,000 RIGHT.

INITIATION, NOT THE 50.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST $5,000.

AND THAT EXTENDS IT TO WHEN WOULD BE THE DEADLINE ON OUR DECISION ON THE OTHER.

WE EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE INVITATIONS SENT OUT DURING THE SUMMER.

THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOUR PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SELECTED.

ONCE YOU RECEIVE AN INVITATION, YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO MONTHS TO TURN BACK AND SUBMIT THE FULL APPLICATIONS.

SO I THINK WHAT OUR QUESTION IS, IS IT WORTH A $5,000 JUST TO GAMBLE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION.

HE, I MEAN YOU'RE OUR EXPERT IN THIS.

THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HIRES THEM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME HERE BY GIVING ANOTHER 5,000 THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE IN 2020 THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN SPEND ANY OF THIS MONEY TO DO THIS IF WE WOULD'VE KNEW FOR KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS COUNTY, WE MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY HERE TO QUALIFY.

SO I MEAN, YOU'RE THE EXPERT HERE, OR ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME OR WE, SHOULD WE PROCEED? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA GET 5,000, LIKE, SORRY.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOUR PLEA BEFORE SAYING, I JUST WARNING YOU GUYS IT DON'T LOOK GOOD.

YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD.

I AND THAT'S WHAT MY DEAL IS, IS, I MEAN, YOU'RE OUR EXPERT.

SO, I MEAN YEAH.

I WANTED TO COME IN HERE TODAY WITH, YOU KNOW, VERY HONEST, MY OPINION, OUR OPINION IS THESE PROJECTS ARE UNLIKELY TO GET SELECTED.

NOT LIKELY TO.

YEAH.

UNLIKELY TO.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE COULD BE THE, THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE AHEAD ARE SO LARGE THAT IF THEY GET INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAM INVITED, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY USE THE ALL THE MONEY.

WELL, THERE'S A CAP, RIGHT? AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

WE'RE, UM, THERE'S A CAP OF 10%.

SO ANY PROJECT, THE MAXIMUM THEY WOULD GET IS ABOUT 19 MILLION.

RIGHT? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM IN, IN GRANT MONEY THAT THEY COULD GET.

THE REST WOULD HAVE TO BE IN LOANS.

BUT THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SO MANY THAT WOULD REACH THAT TOP, YOU KNOW, THAT UPPER LIMIT THAT IS JUST GOING TO DEPLETE THE AVAILABLE FUNDS VERY QUICKLY IF THEY INDEED GET SUBMITTED.

RIGHT.

LET'S SAY THAT THEY DON'T GET SUBMITTED, BUT YOU GET, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE AHEAD OF YOU.

RIGHT.

SO IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, SITUATION.

RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY 10, 10 PROJECTS YOU CAN MEET IN THAT'S GONNA HEAT IT UP IF THEY'RE ALL THAT BIG.

YEAH.

THE, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER IS THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY COMING IN THIS, THEY DIVIDED IT INTO TWO YEAR CYCLES.

AND IS THAT BASED ON INCOME? SO GOING INTO THAT, WE'RE ALREADY GOT THE, WE'RE AGAINST THE WALL ON THAT ONE.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE COUNTY WISE WE MAKE APPARENTLY TOO MUCH MONEY TO QUALIFY FOR THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT.

SO, RIGHT.

THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TOO IS DO WE KEEP SPENDING THIS MONEY TO GET THE SAME ANSWER? I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH.

I WOULDN'T EXPECT THAT THE GRANT PERCENTAGES, THE BRACKETS

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SO YOU COULD BE SEEING VERY SIMILAR NUMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COULD GET OUT OF A GRANT.

UM, NOW YOU, YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR NAME IN THERE.

UM, PERHAPS YOU DON'T GET THE FIRST CYCLE, BUT YOU COULD GET INTO THE SECOND CYCLE.

UM, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA BE ALLOWED TO APPLY EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE APPLIED THIS TIME.

THERE'S AN OPENING FOR AN AMENDMENT ON THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANS THAT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 25.

SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT MORE PROJECTS THAT THEY COULD ADD MORE PEOPLE IN ON THE SECOND.

AND SO THAT WOULD PUT US EVEN FURTHER IN THE HOLE IF THEY SCORE HIGHER , YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I MEAN IT'S DIFFICULT TO PREDICT THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU ALL FACTS.

I'M MORE FACTS ARGUMENT ON THAT.

I MEAN THAT'S REASON I'M ASKING THAT IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME BACK, IF, IF YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON EXTENDED INTO THE DEAL, THEN YOUR ODDS INCREASE.

BUT IF THEY MAKE AN AMENDMENT AND ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY INTO THE SECOND AND MY SECOND PART, I MEAN, MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHERE WE, THE FUNDING BY LAW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COME, AND DEB, YOU MAY KNOW THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COMES OUTTA GENERAL FUND OR IS DOES THAT TO COME OUTTA ROAD AND BRIDGE? OR DO WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW? DO NOT KNOW THAT.

I WOULD GUESS IT WOULD COME OUTTA GENERAL FUNDS EVEN IF IT WAS A LOAN.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS WONDERING TO GO UNDER IS WELL SINCE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ROADWAY, I MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY FLOOD AREAS.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ROADWAY.

I'D LEAN WITH DEB.

IT'LL BE MORE COMING OUT GENERAL FUND THAN IT WILL BE.

OR IF IT WAS A LOAN, IT'D BE IMSI GUESS IT'D BE RIGHT.

IT'D BE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, THAT'S WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD BE IS IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO EXTEND YOUR DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S THREE TO ONE OR 10 TO ONE OR WHATEVER IT WOULD END UP BEING AND A VERY ECONOMICAL LOAN, WHICH NOW AT THIS, AT THIS TIME AND RATE IS GETTING HARD TO DO.

YEAH.

AND THIS IS A GUARANTEED LOAN THAT, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT.

UM, SO I MEAN AT A GOOD PRICE AND THEN WE, THE PERSON'S PRECINCT HAS TO ARGUE AT THIS POINT AND SEE IF, IF THE REST OF US WANT TO AGREE WITH 'EM THAT IT'S A, A WELL FUNDED PROJECT.

AND I GUESS NOW IF WE, IF WE DO THE, TODAY'S DEAL AND THEN WE DON'T GET IT, THEN IT'S ALL DONE.

RIGHT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO PRETTY MUCH ALL THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS ENDED AT THAT POINT.

THE THE ONLY, IF THEY AMEND IT, THEN YOU CAN TURN IN ANOTHER APPLICATION, RIGHT? YOU WILL HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT IS ALREADY SUBMITTED ONCE THE SECOND CYCLE OF FUNDS BECOMES AVAILABLE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT EITHER YOU'RE ALREADY IN OR MAYBE YOU HAVE TO RESUBMIT, BUT IT'S ALREADY DONE.

RIGHT.

SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON THAT.

UM, AND, AND BE AVAILABLE RIGHT.

AND ELIGIBLE FOR A SECOND OPTION.

UM, WE JUST DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHO, WHO'S GOING TO SUBMIT AHEAD OF YOU THAT HAS A HIGHER RANK? WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIGGEST QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, TO ME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE STATE OR THE FEDERALS OR EVER WHOEVER PUTS UP MONEY AND IT, AND THEY WANT YOU TO CONTRIBUTE, THEN YOU'RE LEVERAGING YOUR MONEY TO MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY.

AND SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S KIND OF WRONG.

I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD LOSE AND, UH, YOU'VE LOST MONEY.

I MEAN, AND YOU'VE DONE NOTHING.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I MEAN, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, IF IF THEY KEEP, IF THEY KEEP UP THE SAME PROCESS, NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP BACK IN THE SAME PROCESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

IT'S KIND OF DISAPPOINTING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE COUNTIES NEED HELP.

WE CLEARLY HAVE FLOW, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, YOU MAKE MORE MONEY THAN SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU STILL HAVE WATER COMING THROUGH YOUR FRONT DOOR.

SO MY DEAL IS, IS IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

NOT, SORRY, Y'ALL MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY.

MONEY, SO WE'RE GONNA LET YOUR HOUSES FLOOD.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

SO YEAH, THE, THE WAY THEY DID IT, UM, LIKE EACH OF THESE PROJECTS HAS ITS OWN DEFINED AREA OF INTEREST.

SO THE CALCULATIONS IS ACTUALLY FOR THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY.

THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFERENT FROM EACH OF THESE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THE COUNTY YOU MAKE THE CALCULATION.

SO THOSE TWO, UM, CAME OUT AT A, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME THAT IS LESS THAN 85% OF THE STATEWIDE.

THAT'S WHY YOU GET 30% PLUS FIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE A RURAL COMMUNITY.

SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED RIGHT NOW.

UM, IF THAT'S GONNA CHANGE OR NOT, IT'S HARD TO TELL,

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UM, BUT THAT WAS THEIR IDEA, JUST TO BE ABLE TO GIVE MORE GRANT MONEY TO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LOWER INCOME AND THAT'S HOW THEY LOWER INCOME.

BUT IT, YOU HAVE, YOU BRING A VERY GOOD POINT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW ALL THIS WAS GOING.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, LIKE, DID WE KNOW THIS GOING INTO THIS OR NOT? WE DIDN'T EVEN, NO, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS OUT, IT WAS GIVEN TO US AS A GRANT WHERE THEY WERE GONNA PAY THE MAJORITY FOR FREE NICKELS TO COME IN AND DO THE STUDY FOR US.

THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE TWEAKING THE, OR THEY'RE FINALIZING THE DETAILS ON HOW THE GRANT WAS GONNA GO FORWARD AFTER WE GOT DONE GETTING THESE PROJECTS IN.

AND ORIGINALLY IT WASN'T EVEN SIX PROJECTS, IT WAS JUST GONNA BE TWO.

UM, BUT THEN THEY CHANGED THAT TO BE SIX.

SO WE HAD TO DO A CHANGE ORDER.

DID WE HAVE TO DO A CHANGE ORDER ON THAT? I CAN'T REMEMBER.

WE, WE JUST ADJUSTED SOME OF THE SCOPE TO MAKE IT MAKE SIX INSTEAD OF THAT.

WE HAD TO ADJUST IT TO MEET THAT.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH THE, UH, DECEMBER UPDATE WITH THE INCOME KIND OF DRIVEN.

YEAH.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, BUT I GUESS THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY WOULD COVER FOR THAT.

YEAH.

SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME.

UH, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN YOU GET INTO PROJECTS, I GUESS THE ONLY PEOPLE LIKE HARRIS OR DALLAS OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT COULD AFFORD IT ON THEIR OWN.

MM-HMM.

CALL MECHANIC COULDN'T AFFORD THIS.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DOWNSIDE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY TO AFFORD SOMETHING SOMETIMES, WHICH IS KIND OF SAD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE FLOODS, FLOOD.

THAT'S RIGHT.

MM-HMM.

.

YOU KNOW, SO IT OUGHT TO BE ADJUSTED IF IF IT WAS, IF THEY WERE GONNA DO IT BY SOMETHING, THEY OUGHT DO IT BY WHAT AFFECTS THE MOST PEOPLE.

THAT THAT'S THE RANKING SIDE OF THINGS.

YEAH.

THAT THOSE RANKS THAT YOU'RE SEEING OUT THERE.

I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, BUT THEN TO THROW IN INCOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, AND MOST GRANTS ARE BASED OFF THAT TOO.

I KNOW, BUT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SAD THAT IT, IT OUGHT TO BE MORE.

I I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, AS, AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO SUBMIT COMMENTS LIKE THIS, THE, THE SECOND CYCLE OF THE FLOOD PLANNING PROCESS STARTS THIS SEPTEMBER AND THIS IS GONNA ROLL OVER AGAIN.

AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LOT OF THESE INFORMATION, LIKE HOW DO YOU GUYS SEE IT? DOES THE PROGRAM MAKE SENSE TO YOU? AND YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING SOME THINGS THAT ARE, HEY, COME ON, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? HOW CAN THE COUNTY GET HELP? ARE THESE, UH, FEDERAL FUNDS OR STATE FUNDS? IT'S STATE, STATE FUNDS, THOSE STATE FUNDS.