May 21, 2024 Commissioners Court

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I THINK IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TIME.

[Call to Order]

SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGES, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER MOORE'S GOING TO DO THE INVOCATION.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER THE OTHER ONE, BARBARA, HAVE TO LOOK AT HIM.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT HIM, REMIND ME WHO HE IS.

HE'S GOING TO DO THE PLEDGE AS FOR US.

AND IF Y'ALL ALL PRAY, RISE, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE AND THEN MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU.

LET US PRAY.

MOST GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY THAT WE CAN GATHER TOGETHER HERE, LORD, AS A COURT, MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS.

THAT'D BE DECISIONS YOU'D HAVE US MAKE.

LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS THAT YOU GIVE US EACH AND EVERY DAY.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE DRIER WEATHER THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING.

WE JUST, JUST GIVE YOU PRAISE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DO FOR US.

AND WE PRAISE SEND YOU SON'S HOLY NAME.

AMEN.

AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

WRONG HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO LEAVE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD.

ONE AN INDIVISIBLE.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

BE SEAT.

ALL RIGHT.

[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]

AND I THINK MIKE HAS SOMETHING ON ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.

ALRIGHT, UM, DON'T FORGET THAT, UH, WE'RE HAVING KAUFFMAN COUNTY MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY.

UM, MONDAY 5 27 AT 11:00 AM IT'S GONNA BE HELD AT THE, UH, COUNTY VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, 3,800 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET IN KAUFMAN.

AND, UH, THE, I'M GONNA LISTEN TO KEITH BELL TALK AND, UH, WHICH IS A FUN THING AND IT IT'S PRETTY GOOD.

UH, LUNCH FOLLOWING AT THE AMERICAN LEGION AND THEY PROVIDE A LUNCH TO EVERYBODY THAT ALL THE ATTENDEES.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN MAKE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER MOORE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

MR. BARBER? NO, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

UH, ONLY THING I GOTTA DO IS REMIND EVERYBODY TO GO VOTE.

THIS IS ELECTION WEEK.

AND PLEASE GET OUT AND, UH, TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU FEEL.

THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.

UH, MAYBE BRING OUR PERCENTAGES UP A LITTLE FOR A CHANGE.

WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE.

ALRIGHT.

SO ANYWAY, UH,

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

HAS EVERYBODY LOOKED OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING? EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH IT? ANYBODY GOT ANY CHANGES OR MOTIONS ON THAT? I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR OUR APPROVAL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

COMMISSIONER BARBER, MAKE A MOTION.

HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER MOORE SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MOVE SOME STUFF.

AYE, I ALRIGHT, TAKE CARE OF THAT.

[3. Shannon Gardner: Discuss/Consider CACKC Services Review and Proposal.]

SHANNON GARDNER IS COMING UP NOW AND IT'S DISCUSSING, CONSIDER THE C-A-C-R-C SERVICES REVIEW AND PROPOSAL.

GOOD MORNING.

HEY, HOW YOU DOING TODAY? GOOD.

GOOD.

SO I JUST REALIZED YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE THE POWERPOINT, SO, UM, WE CAN, WE HAVE ON OUR SCREEN.

OH, REMIND THEN.

SO, OR SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT, NONE OF US HAVE IT THAT MOMENT.

WE LOST EVERYTHING PLUG IN BECAUSE YOU, SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY.

I AM A LITTLE FROGGY, SO EXCUSE MY VOICE, BUT I DID WANNA INTRODUCE JUST REAL QUICKLY, UM, RANDY SQUIBB IS OUR BOARD PRESIDENT, AND THEN WE HAVE CRYSTAL MM-HMM.

, UM, HUMPHREYS, WHO IS OUR, UM, SHE'S ON OUR BOARD AS WELL.

SHE'S OUR FINANCE CHAIR.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE LEAD WITH JUDGE WILEY THAT SITS ON OUR BOARD AS WELL.

I'M SHERIFF.

OH, SHERIFF FER.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T EVEN SEE YOU OVER THERE.

ANYWAY, SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA LET RANDY DO THE INTRODUCTIONS AND, UM, AND I'M GONNA PASS THESE OUT TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.

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WHAT'S ON THE POWERPOINT? GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN THIS MORNING.

UH, I TOLD THE YOUNG LADY IN THE BOX, IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF HOURS LONG.

ALRIGHT? UH, IT, UH, WE'RE GONNA ORDER PIZZA OR WHATEVER, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M KIDDING.

UH, WE MET WITH, UH, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, JUDGE, UH, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, SHANNON AND I WENT IN AND, UH, AND VISITED WITH, UH, MR. ALLEN AND KIND OF TOLD HIM WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

AND HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SAY, YOU GUYS NEED TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS RANDY SQUIBB.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE CHILDREN ADVOCACY CENTER.

I LIVE IN MAYBANK.

AND, UH, THIS IS MY, UH, I GUESS MY FOURTH OR FIFTH YEAR ON THE ADVOCACY BOARD.

UH, FIRST YEAR AS AS PRESIDENT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT MY RESPONSIBILITY IS AS YOU GUYS, UH, PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PRESIDENT IS TO LOOK AROUND THE CORNER, KIND OF SEE WHAT'S COMING AT US, WHAT KIND OF GROWTH ARE WE HAVING, UH, WHERE OUR SERVICES ARE REALLY NEEDED AND, AND, AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT, NOT TODAY AND NOT TOMORROW, BUT A YEAR FROM NOW AND TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY.

UH, WE'RE, UH, WE JUST WANT TO GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE AND THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.

I THINK A LOT OF TIMES Y'ALL HAVE SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, UH, IT'S HARD TO TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ADVOCACY CENTER DOES.

AND I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT CRYSTAL IS GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TODAY WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT.

UH, OUR GROWTH, AS HAS THE COUNTY GROWTH, UH, UNFORTUNATELY BEEN HIGH.

I WISH THERE WAS NOT A NEED FOR THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, BUT WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION TODAY THAT WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S ANTICIPATED, WE HAVE, AND YOU'LL FIND FROM CRYSTAL, WE HAVE A WAITING LIST RIGHT NOW.

AND I, AS A PARENT AND A GRANDPARENT, IF I WERE ON THAT WAITING LIST, I WOULDN'T FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE GUYS.

'CAUSE THESE KIDS NEED OUR HELP.

THEY NEED OUR HELP EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND FINANCIALLY.

A LOT OF TIMES, TOMMY, WE, THEY, THEY NEED THAT.

AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TODAY, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I WAS IN THE WELDING BUSINESS FOREVER.

WE WANNA GREASE THE SKIDS A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL WILL REMEMBER THAT WE WERE HERE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION AND ONCE IT'S OVER, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

WE'RE THRILLED, UH, THAT, UH, SHERIFF BEAVERS IS HERE AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY EARLY BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THEM ARE IMMEASURABLE.

THEY REALLY DO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO WITH THAT, UH, CRYSTAL HUMPHREYS IS WITH AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AND SHE IS OUR FINANCE CHAIR AND HAS DONE AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL JOB, AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROGRAM.

SO, CRYSTAL, THANK YOU.

THANKS, RANDY.

I DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN HE DID, UM, BUT I, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.

MY FAMILY AND I MOVED TO TEXAS SIX YEARS AGO TO JOIN THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK OF TEXAS.

THAT WAS THE REASON WE CAME.

AND SO WE BECAME PART OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY REALLY QUICKLY.

AND I HAVE BEEN SO IMPRESSED BY THE PEOPLE HERE AND BY THE PUBLIC LEADERS AND BY HOW MUCH THEY GIVE TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND EQUALLY IMPRESSED WHEN I JOINED THE ADVOCACY CENTER FOUR YEARS AGO AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH SERVANT LEADERSHIP HAPPENING IN THAT ORGANIZATION.

THE ADVOCACY CENTER SUPPORTS KIDS WHO ARE PHYSICALLY AND SEXUALLY ABUSED AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THROUGH, I HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD SON AND I KNOW SEVERAL FAMILIES WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE BENEFIT AND THE SERVICES OF THE ADVOCACY CENTER.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT WITH GREAT APPRECIATION, ADMIRATION, AND SOMETIMES DESPERATION.

THERE ARE SOME, SOME OF MY, ONE OF MY SON'S FRIENDS, HE, 10 YEARS AGO, WAS WHEN HE WAS A VICTIM AND HE STILL BENEFITS FROM THE SERVICES OF THE ADVOCACY CENTER.

AND SO WHEN I HEAR THAT THERE ARE OVER 35 CHILDREN ON THE WAIT LIST AT THE ADVOCACY CENTER, AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT REPRESENTS NOT JUST THOSE 35 KIDS, BUT THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL, RESIDENTS OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY.

UM, BEING THE FINANCE CHAIR OF THE ADVOCACY CENTER, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE FINANCES.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, I WAS, I WAS NERVOUS WHEN WE DID BUDGET LAST YEAR, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE WERE GONNA MAKE ALL THE NUMBERS WORK, EVEN WITH OUR 35 PLUS WAIT LIST.

UM, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT ADVOCACY, ADVOCACY CENTER HAS SUCH A DEDICATED BOARD.

THE WAY THAT WE FUND OURSELVES AT THE ADVOCACY CENTER IS THROUGH GRANTS THAT WE GET THROUGH

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AND THE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE FUND FUNDS COME FROM RESIDENTS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.

AND THROUGH THEIR GENEROSITY, WE'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE DO AT THE ADVOCACY CENTER, BUT WE HAVE A SHORTFALL.

AND, UM, SO WE TALKED TO THE BOARD ABOUT THAT, AND THE BOARD CAME FORWARD AND THEY RALLIED AROUND SHANNON.

THEY HA CAME WITH NEW IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO RAISE FUNDS.

AND WE ARE ACTUALLY, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE MORE, WE ARE ABOVE BUDGET.

AND THAT WAS UNEXPECTED, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS OF THAT GROUP.

IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO REDUCE THE WAIT LIST.

THERE IS, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE, TO THE FIRST PAGE, THERE'S $150,000 WILL BE NEEDED TO HIRE JUST TWO THERAPISTS.

AND THAT'S NOT ALL OF THE OTHER RESOURCES.

FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T COME UP.

UM, THAT'S NOT ALL OF THE OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED.

WE ACTUALLY WILL NEED $650,000 IN ORDER TO REDUCE THAT WAIT LIST.

WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU FOR $650,000.

WE CONTINUE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A BOARD THAT WILL WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO RAISE FUNDS.

BUT WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO, AS RANDY SAID, IS TO CONSIDER US IN THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

UM, OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 25, THAT, THAT THE COUNTY CONSIDER INCLUDING THE CENTER WITH $250,000, 255, SORRY, $266,000 BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 2025.

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER.

IT IS A BIG NUMBER.

AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY GROWTH RATES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, AS YOU KNOW, I'M SURE VERY, VERY WELL, THE POPULATION HAS GROWN AT 7.5% AND THE CLIENT LIST AT THE ADVOCACY CENTER HAS GROWN NOT JUST IN PROPORTION TO THAT, BUT IN EXCESS OF THAT AT 10%.

AND THAT, SO THOSE EXCESS FUNDS WERE, WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO GO TO THE RESIDENCE OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY TO, TO GET THAT WHOLE NUMBER.

UM, WE WILL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP WITH OUR SURPLUS OR WITH OUR DEFICIT.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS A, A SNAPSHOT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, WE HAVE $890,000 COMING IN AND WE RUN PRETTY LEAN THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD A NET INCOME OF $8,000.

UM, WE WORK REALLY HARD TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY THAT WE GET THROUGH GRANTS AND FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHERE I REALLY WANT YOU TO, TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION.

IN 2023, THE CAC, LET ME GO TO THIS SLIDE HERE.

THE CAC DELIVERED MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN SERVICES DIRECTLY TO KAUFMAN COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENCE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, THE DIRECT VALUE TO KAUFMAN COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS OVER $400,000.

AND THOSE NUMBERS WERE DERIVED BY WHAT IT WOULD COST THE COUNTY TO OUTSOURCE THOSE SERVICES IF SHANNON, THROUGH HER SERVANT LEADERSHIP AND THE REST OF THE STAFF AND THE BOARD DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY DID AT THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER $718,000 IN SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED DIRECTLY TO THE RESIDENTS OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY.

THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION IN HERE AND I YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO THROUGH IT, UM, AT THIS TIME.

BUT SHANNON AND RANDY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, I JUST WANT, WE, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TODAY.

WE WANNA BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.

WE WANNA BE A, CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF KAUFFMAN COUNTY.

I I KNOW THAT SHANNON AND HER STAFF SPEND SLEEPLESS NIGHTS.

AND SO DOES, SO DO RANDY AND I AND OTHERS ON THE BOARD.

WE CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTY, WE CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS.

THESE KIDS.

THIS IS NOT THEIR FAULT, THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO THEM.

AND WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO BE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WHERE THERE IS SUCH A STRONG ADVOCACY CENTER.

I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE MORE POINT THERE.

UM, THERE ARE OTHER ADVOCACY CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THEY ALL MANAGE THEIR FUNDS WITH THE CAC JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES GOING INTO COFFMAN COUNTY AND LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES THAT RECEIVE FUNDS FROM THEIR COUNTY DIRECTLY TO THE CAC.

WE'RE ASKING COFFMAN COUNTY TO DO THE SAME FOR US.

UH, JUST SHERIFF AND I BOTH COULD SPEAK TO THE WORK THAT THEY DO AND, AND THERE'S SO MANY, LIKE THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE SAYING THAT DO GREAT WORK, SO THERE'S NO REASON JUST TO ADD ON AT HANMAN.

BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT A FUTURE THIS WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO,

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AND SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T EVEN ADDED IN THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE.

AND Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT, 'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT OUR EXPERT WITNESS COSTS IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME AND TESTIFY, NOT JUST WORKING AT THE CENTER.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN I LOOKED AT THEIR NUMBERS, IF THOSE COSTS WERE EVEN ADDED IN AND THEY'VE GOT THE HOURS IN THERE AND THE CONTRACT RATE.

I, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET ANYBODY FOR $368 TO COME.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IF WE HAD TO HAVE OUTSIDE EXPERTS TO COME FOR THE HOURS THAT THEY COME AND TESTIFY.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, I THINK THEY ARE, UM, ACTUALLY, FRANKLY A LITTLE UNDERVALUED TO THE REAL VALUE TO THE COUNTY JUST ON WHAT I HAVE TO PAY OTHER EXPERTS THAT THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE COUNTY.

SHERIFF, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR LETTING US COME IN TODAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ONCE YOU REVIEW THE THE DOCUMENTS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CALL SHANNON, CALL MYSELF.

WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME, UH, TO YOUR OFFICE AND SIT WITH YOU AND GO OVER THE NUMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE.

AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE WHAT WE NEED.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

YEAH, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

AND I, I KNOW THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S EVER LOOKED AT IT OR NOT, BUT I USED TO ALL THE TIME STD I'D LOOK AT IT, OUR EXPENSE ON THE, ON THE EXPERT WITNESSES AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF CASES IT WAS LIKE VERY EXPENSIVE.

YES.

IT'S OFF THE, IT'S OFF THE WALL.

UM, AND I GUESS THERE'S NO REAL CONTROL ON IT, IS THE TROUBLE.

WELL, NOT IF THEY WERE THE PERSON THAT SAW THE CHILD RIGHT.

AS AN EXPERT PHYSICIAN PERHAPS THAT SAW THE CHILD WITHIN HIS RIGHTS GONNA BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR.

I GOTTA PAY HIM.

I KNOW.

WELL, I DO APPRECIATE YEAH.

THAT Y'ALL ARE COMING IN A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME INSTEAD OF, IT'S JUST SO, SO MANY PEOPLE JUST COME IN LAST MINUTE.

I NEED, AND IT'S HARD TO FIND THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW.

SO, BUT LOOKING AHEAD AND LOOKING FORWARD IS A GREAT WAY TO HANDLE THIS.

YEAH, WELL I'M JUST SUPER THANKFUL FOR PARTNER AGENCIES LIKE THE SHERIFF AND UM, JUDGE WILEY AND OUR BOARD BECAUSE THEY DO THINK FORWARD.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP IN JUST ME AND RUNNING THE CENTER AND ALL THAT WE DO.

AND SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU SAM.

ALRIGHT.

I SAID SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW YOU, BUT I KNEW YOUR MOTHER AND DAD VERY WELL.

YOUR MOTHER GOT ME TO WORK TWO WEEKS AFTER IN THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER WITH THE CREW.

AND I DONATED THE TIME AND SHE SAID, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO? AND I SAID, I'VE GOT 'EM A LOT.

AND I GOD SPEAKS TO YOU IN A STRANGE THING.

I DIDN'T KNOW Y'ALL WAS GOING TO BE HERE, BUT THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT I GUESSED BACK IN 2000.

OH WOW.

YOU REMEMBER THAT? NO SIR.

UH, YOUR MOTHER GOT ME TO AND I GIVE A LOT AND THEY SOLD IT FOR $37,000, WHICH WENT TO THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER.

WELL THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH.

MM-HMM? .

WHY HE TOLD ME TO BRING THIS TODAY.

I THANK YOU SIR.

IF YOU'LL GET WHAT THE COUNTY, THERE'S THINGS THAT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY CAN DO THAT ARE WILLING TO DO.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

.

THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO FOUR, BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE ANY MOTION FOR THAT.

UH,

[4. Chuck Mohnkern: Present/Accept the Treasurer's Monthly Report for April 2024.]

OUR TREASURER IS COMING UP TO GIVE HIS MONTHLY REPORT BOARD MORNING COMMISSIONERS MORNING.

WE, UH, ENDED THE MONTH, UM, OF APRIL WITH $46,213,000 IN UH, FUND TO 10.

OUR INTEREST ON AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK ACCOUNTS DURING THAT MONTH, $2,199.

OUR EARNINGS ON OUR BALANCES, INTEX POOL AND TEXAS CLASS $527,344.

OUR, UH, TOTAL INVESTED FUNDS $104,444,000.

OUR AVERAGE YIELD ONT POOL 5.4765% AND THE AVERAGE YIELD ON TEXAS CLASS 5.4286% DURING THAT MONTH.

THE, UH, TOTAL COUNTY FUNDS IN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AT THE END OF THE MONTH, 41,453,113.

THE VALUE OF THE COLLATERAL HELD BY THE BANK TO COVER OUR ACCOUNTS, 53,087,700 TENS WERE COLLATERALIZED AT 128%.

OUR PERCENTAGE OF, UH, CASH INVESTED IS 72.96%.

OUR, UH, TOTAL RECEIPTS FOR THE MONTH,

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ANY, UH, QUESTIONS HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN, UH, HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, CHUCK.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER HUNT MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT HIS REPORT.

I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER MOORE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

ALRIGHT,

[5. Halie Bever: Discuss/Present the Texas Association of Counties will present a commemorative plaque for being one of the original 49 founding members of the Texas Association of Counties Risk Management Services Pool for Workers Comp.]

HALEY MEMBER.

NOBODY.

SHE'S NOT HERE.

NOT HERE.

WELL, WE'LL SKIP NUMBER FIVE

[6. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Approve final plat of Durango Place Addition on FM 2860 and CR 146 in Precinct 1.]

SHANNON RODIN.

HERE SHE COMES.

SHE'S, UH, MORNING, MORNING DURANGO PLACE EDITION IS APPROXIMATELY 14 ACRES.

THE OWNER SPLITTING THAT INTO NINE LOTS AND THOSE LOTS ARE 1.06 TO 3.05 ACRES.

WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE AGENDA REQUEST PACKET.

AND WE JUST NEED THE COURT'S APPROVAL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

ALL THE BOXES HAVE BEEN CHECKED AND, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HUNT, MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU UHHUH.

[7. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Consider approving the Use of County Property Permit for Open Infra to install fiber optic lines on Bluebird Lane, Live Oak Drive and River Oak Drive in Precinct 1.]

HE COMES TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE USE OF COUNTY PROPERTY THE PERMIT OPEN INFRA TO INSTALL ON FIBER, OPTIC LINES ON BLUEBERRY LANE LIVE OAK DRIVE AND RIVER OAK DRIVE IN PRECINCT.

ONE MORNING, UH, MORNING PLANS LOOK GOOD.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT CALL OUTS.

DEPTH IS CALLED OUT IS 40 INCHES ON THE PLAN SHEETS THEMSELVES.

THE CREWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RUNNING AT THE MOMENT, UH, ARE ALL WORKING OUTSIDE OF, WELL, AT LEAST NOW THEY ARE WORKING OUTSIDE OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, UH, HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM, ALTHOUGH THEY DID START DIGGING EARLY ON A COUPLE ROADS.

UM, WE GOT THAT HANDLED.

UM, JUST STANDARD PLANS AT THIS POINT.

SO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THIS SET HERE? NO, I MEAN, WE HAD THE MEETING LAST FRIDAY.

MM-HMM.

WITH THEM AND, AND, UH, I MEAN THEY REALIZED THERE WERE SOME MISTAKES MADE AND THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO CORRECT THAT.

I MEAN, EVEN AS FAR AS GETTING RID OF CONTRACTORS.

MM-HMM.

.

SO THEY, AND THEY'VE BEEN DEPENDABLE CONTRACTOR NOW AND I THINK, I MEAN, YEAH.

HAVE RAYMOND BACK ON, UM, ON UH, A NUMBER OF THE ROADS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON BECAUSE HE'S BEEN IN TOUCH WITH ME.

SO, YEAH.

SO I MEAN IT'S, I THINK THAT THEY'RE KIND OF SOLVING THEIR PROBLEMS. IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR MAN US.

YES.

SO, AND NOW THE CITIES ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME TYPE THING, SO, AND I DID HAVE A CALL LAST WEEK, BUT THE GUY'S WANTING TO ALTER THE, WHERE HE IS GOING TO DIG, WANTED TO GO WITH THAT.

I TOLD 'EM WE NEED TO STICK TO THE ORDER, SO.

MM.

JUST IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO, THEY WANTING TO ALTER FROM THE LOWEST PORTION OF THE DITCH THREE FOOT TO MOVE IN TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OWNER SIDE.

BUT I TOLD 'EM LET'S STICK TO THE ORDER SO THAT WE'RE ALL UNIFORM.

SO ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT THAT CLEARED.

OKAY.

YEAH, I DID TELL 'EM TO REACH OUT TO YOU WHEN I WAS IN TRAINING.

MM-HMM.

, I MAKE A MOTION, THEN WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

COME.

I'LL SECOND ALL .

MR. MOORE.

I'M LOOKING AT, I'M TRYING TO SAY MORE AND I'M, I'M ALREADY PASSED.

I'M, UH, BUT UH, I'LL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEP.

NOT A PROBLEM.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER

[8. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Consider approving the Use of County Property Permit for Open Infra to install fiber optic lines on County Road 301 in Precinct 3.]

AND THIS ONE'S IN PRECINCT THREE ON COUNTY ROAD.

UH, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS.

UH, 3 0 1.

SORRY, Y'ALL AREN'T GONNA GET RID OF MY PRETTY FACE JUST YET.

SO , UH, SAME THING.

CALL OUTS ARE THE EXACT SAME.

40, 40 INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE DITCH AS THEY GO ALONG.

WE GOT IT.

UH, YEAH, SO, WE'LL, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE PLAN SHEETS AS THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED TO ME.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION ON THAT.

BUT, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REBUILDING THAT ROAD.

SO IS THAT GONNA CAUSE ANY PROBLEM WORKING WITH THAT? WE CAN HAVE THEM.

NO, WE CAN, WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE, I GUESS TALKS WITH THEM WHEN THEY PUT

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MM-HMM.

.

SO WHAT WE DO, HOW LONG ARE Y'ALL GONNA BE ON THAT ROAD? WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

WAIT, THREE WEEKS.

OKAY.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY CAN'T GET ON THAT ROAD UNTIL Y'ALL ARE DONE.

OKAY.

DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? THAT'LL WORK.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

MAKE THE MOTION TO PROVE BASED ON HIM GETTING BACK IN TOUCH WITH HIM.

ALRIGHT, I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER MOORE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU VERY

[9. Garrett Moore: Discuss/ Consider approving a Use of County Right of Way Permit for Open Infra install fiber optic lines on County Road 4097 in Precinct 4.]

ALRIGHT, NUMBER NINE, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH GARRETT MOORE.

AGAIN, I'M YOUR FAVORITE.

CAN STAY UP HERE AS LONG AS I WANT.

ON, IN PRECINCT FOUR ON 40 97.

UM, SAME THING.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE SOMETHING MR. MOORE? I, LET ME SUBMIT THE PLANS AND THE, OKAY.

BUT I, SO IT'S BEEN LOOKS GOOD ON WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AND THEY'RE TRYING TO APPLY WITH THAT.

SO I'LL MAKE MOTION TO, ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

SECOND, I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HUNT SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEP.

NOT A PROBLEM, MR. CARRIES.

[10. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider awarding Bid 24-07 Annual Contract: Roadside Mowing and Tree Trimming Services.]

WE'RE GONNA START A JACK SEBASTIAN, UH, DEAL HERE.

UH, GONNA GO FOR A LITTLE BIT.

SO THIS NUMBER 10 AND JACK'S GOING TO HAS A BID 20 24, 24 0 7 ANNUAL CONTRACT ON ROADSIDE MOWING TREE AND TRIMMING SERVICE.

GENTLEMEN, AS YOU SEE, WE, WE RECEIVED ONE BID AND THAT WAS FOR THE TREE TRIMMING ONLY.

UH, WE SENT OUT NINE BIDS.

WE HAD, UH, I THINK THREE THAT WERE DOWNLOADED OFF OUR SITE AND WE REACHED OUT TO SIX AND MAILED THOSE VENDORS BIDS AS WELL, UH, RESULTED IN JUST RECEIVING ONE BID, AND THAT WAS FOR THE TREE TRIMMING ONLY.

UH, WE'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT THIS AND, AND, UH, MAYBE EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

UH, WE DID SEND THE, THE PREVIOUS, I THINK DNM HAS BEEN DOING IT BEFORE.

UH, THEY RECEIVED A BID BUT DID NOT RESPOND.

UM, I I MAYBE WHAT SCARES THESE VENDORS OFF, THEY PROBABLY PREFER TO GO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY OF AND LOOK AT A SITE AND SAY, WE WANT THIS MOW AND THEY GIVE YOU A PRICE.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BID PORTION SCARES 'EM OFF.

I'M NOT SURE.

UH, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DID HAVE, WE DID HAVE NINE NINE THAT WENT OUT AND THERE AGAIN HAD ONE RESPONSE.

UH, I, I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, MAKE THAT AWARD ON THE TREE TRIMMING TO, UH, LONE STAR TREE SERVICE.

YEAH.

UH, I GUESS WE CAN PROBABLY EVENTUALLY DO ANOTHER SEPARATE MOW ONE IF WE HAD TO, SO WE CAN GO BACK OUT.

OKAY.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL FOR THE TREES.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE.

UH, HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SEE.

COMMISSIONER BARBARA SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A AYE.

THANK YOU.

[11. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider matter related to Enterprise Car Lease Program.]

AND WE'RE BACK TO JACK AGAIN.

AND THIS IS DISCUSSED AND CENTER OF THE MATTER RELATED TO THE ENTERPRISE CAR LEASE PROGRAM.

JIM, IF YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING ON A, ON A POLICY, TRYING TO GET SOME THINGS IN ORDER HERE AND JUST HAD A FEW ITEMS. UH, ONE OF 'EM IS, UH, UH, WE'D RECOMMEND TO THE COURT THAT, UH, WE PUT A, A COMMITTEE TOGETHER THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, CONSTABLE WOODALL PRECINCT THREE, UH, CAPTAIN MUSH BERGER AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE TO, UH, LOOK AT, UH, UH, GETTING, MAYBE GETTING A STANDARD EQUIPMENT ON THESE VEHICLES.

UH, WE SEEM TO HAVE A VARIETY OF EQUIPMENT THAT GETS PUT ON WHEN, WHEN A, UH, POLICE VEHICLE COMES IN, EVERY PRECINCT SEEM TO PUT DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT ON AND DIFFERENT ADDITIONS.

AND SO IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE EQUIPMENT COSTS MORE THAN THE CARS SOMETIMES.

WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE THERE.

I MEAN, THE TIME YOU PAY THE PUT IT IN AND EVERY, EVERY TIME YOU GET A CAR, IT'S GOTTA HAVE NEW EQUIPMENT NEARLY.

AND IF YOU GOT A PATROL CAR AND IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT THERE A YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT'S A LITTLE EXCESSIVE TO START BUYING NEW EQUIPMENT EVERY SINGLE TIME LOOKS LIKE WE OUGHT GET, HOW MANY YEARS WOULD WE GET OUT OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, SHERIFF? WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY SET UP NOW THAT, UH, WHENEVER THE EQUIPMENT COMES DOWN ON A CAR, THE DESIRE IS THAT IT STAYS ON THAT VEHICLE FOUR YEARS AND GOES FOUR TO THE NEXT VEHICLE.

UH, NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS SOME CASES, UH, DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE A TAHOE AND THEN THE NEXT SERIES THEY WANT TO GET A EXPLORER OR MAYBE THAT TAHOE'S NOT AVAILABLE.

UH, SO THEN, THEN YOU LOOK AND THAT'S THE MOUNTAIN SYSTEM THOUGH.

YEAH.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THE LAPTOP OR ANYTHING ELSE.

NO, BUT WE'RE TALKING STILL THE SAME LAPTOPS AND EVERY, EVERYTHING, WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT BARS AND STUFF THAT WON FIT ON THE CAR THOUGH, BUT THE LIGHT BARS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

SOME OF THE MANUFACTURERS ARE CHANGING TOO.

LIKE THAT HAPPENS.

WELL, THE FORD PUSHED THE EXPLORER AND NOW THEY'RE SHUTTING THAT PROGRAM DOWN.

AND THEN SO JUST THE, I THINK THE ONLY MANUFACTURER RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY DODGE.

RIGHT.

JUST DODGE THAT, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS EQUIPMENT.

YEAH.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET TWO CYCLES OUT OF IT.

RIGHT.

THAT, THAT WAS THE GOAL ON THE PLAN.

BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT WORKING.

IT'S WORKED A FEW TIMES AS FAR AS, BUT JUST LIKE THE FORDS THAT WE JUST TRADED IN, WE COULDN'T GET A FORD SO WE HAD TO GO IN DODGES EVEN AND GET CARS.

SO SOME OF THAT STUFF'S NOT GONNA FIT ON.

THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GOOD THING ABOUT THEM OLD JUST ROUND RED LIGHTS AND

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RIGHT.

GET A MAGNET.

YEAH.

JE WELL, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T USE THE MAGNET AND THEY JUST IT UP THERE, BUT THE POLICE, UH, BUT THE MANUFACTURERS, THEY DO, I MEAN, JUMP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THESE POLICE VEHICLES, THEY, THEY'LL RUN A LINE AND THEN THEY'LL SHUT IT DOWN AND JUST BECAUSE OF COST OR WHAT'S COMING OUT LIKE NOW, LIKE OUR LITTLE CROSSOVER SUVS OR TAKING OVER THEM, WE HAD THE NEW MANDATES FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAT SAYS BASICALLY EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO MOVE THE BATTERY.

AND, UH, SO A LOT OF THE POLICE PACKAGED STUFF'S BEEN SHUT DOWN EXCEPT FOR I THINK DODGE.

AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW DOING IT.

SO, BUT DODGE AND WHAT? TAHOE AND THAT'S IT OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T THINK TAHOES, CHEVY'S NOT DOING ONE EITHER.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S TAHOE.

OH, THEY ARE DOING TAHOES STILL.

OKAY.

HAVE THESE FLOORS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT EASY WITH EQUIPMENT CHOICES EITHER, BUT, AND TO, I KNOW TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UH, ON AVERAGE THE PURSUIT VEHICLES WERE LIKE 46,000 FOR THE CAR AND ABOUT 27 FOR THE EQUIPMENT.

UH, AND WE'D LIKE TO GET THERE AGAIN, A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, IF IT WORKS FOR THE SHERIFF, MAYBE IT SHOULD WORK FOR, FOR EVERYBODY POSSIBLY.

UH, KINDA LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

UH, AND THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS.

UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK WHAT'S A GROWTH VEHICLE? I THINK INITIALLY WE, A GROWTH VEHICLE WAS CONSIDERED, UH, WE HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE AND A NEW CAR, SO WE WANT TO ADD A VEHICLE TO THE LIST.

UH, NOW WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WELL THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME, A DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE A VEHICLE OUT THERE THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR A WHILE THAT'S NOT ON THE LEASE PROGRAM, AND NOW THEY WANT TO SELL THAT VEHICLE AND GET INTO THE LEASE PROGRAM.

SO THAT, IN MY MIND, IT'S KIND OF A GROWTH VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S ADDING TO THE COST OF THE LEASE PER YEAR.

YEAH.

UH, AND CURRENTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT, UH, UH, OUR LEASE BUDGET IS GONNA BE LIKE 1.6 MILLION NEXT YEAR FOR VEHICLES.

AND THAT'S, UH, ROUGHLY 153 CARS.

AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TIME TO MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER, UH, LEASING ONLY PURSUIT VEHICLES AND, AND NOT LEASING THE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTAL CARS.

UH, THE JUDGE AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND I ASKED HIM, AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT THIS BUDGET.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE PROPER TIME TO ADDRESS THAT.

SEE WHERE WE'RE STANDING THEN.

BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, MAINLY FOR THE POLICE VEHICLES THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD AND ADDRESS IN THAT.

SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT DOING A LITTLE LIKE A COMMITTEE DEAL, UH, THAT WE CAN START GETTING THAT LINED OUT AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

FOR ESPECIALLY THE, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

I KNOW THIS KEEPS COMMITTEE SMALL ENOUGH TO, TO MAKE 'EM COME TO CONSENSUS.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THESE COMMITTEES, WE GET 9, 10, 12 PEOPLE ON 'EM.

WE CAN'T, THAT, THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDATIONS THESE THREE, THESE KEEP TO THREE.

I THINK YOU'RE IN GREAT SHAPE.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, AND TOMMY BEING 25 YEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SHERIFF, AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO KIND OF MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHAT KIND OF THING'S GOING TO GO ON THAT SOMEBODY'S DONE IT ALL THEIR LIFE MAKES GOOD SENSE.

I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T, UH, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE MONEY, BUT I CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED.

WELL, AND ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TOO, THAT, UH, THAT CREATES A PROBLEM.

I KNOW IT'S IN THE PERFECT WORLD, IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF, IF A, UH, YOU'RE ABLE TO TRANSFER ONE VEHICLE TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

UH, RIGHT.

BUT THE COURT NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT, UH, IF WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S SET TO GO BACK TO BE SOLD AND THAT VEHICLE IS TRANSFERRED TO THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA, THEY NEED A VEHICLE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT US.

UH, JANELLE ON A BUDGET WHEN SHE TRIES TO TELL YOU FOLKS WHAT, WHAT THE COST OF THE LEASE IS.

THE, THE BUDGET WE GIVE YOU GUYS IS BASED ON VEHICLES BEING TURNED INTO SALE.

AND IF THOSE ARE SHUFFLED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THEN THAT, UH, REDUCES THE REVENUE TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE LEASE PROGRAM.

SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PICK.

UH, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO AS YOU'RE TRANSFERRING USED VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH, YOU'RE GONNA GET BACK IN THE SAME MIX THAT WE HAD WHERE WE HAD A BUNCH OF OLD CARS, .

SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

UH, WELL, I, I THINK I DON'T ME STARTED, I'M, I'M, WELL, JACK AND I SPOKE ABOUT JUST STILL ON THE PHONE AND I, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK GOING FORWARD INTO BUDGET TIME WHEN WE START DOING THE WORKSHOPS, IT'LL BE A GOOD TIME TO MM-HMM.

DISCUSS EVERYTHING BUT EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

SO, AND WE'LL DO THAT DURING BUDGET.

AND THE JUDGE WAS, HE AGREED THAT'D PROBABLY BE THE BEST BET AS WELL.

SO, AND OF COURSE MY CONCERN AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IS, IS, UH, UH, YOU'RE GONNA GET YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OF 153 CARS THAT, UH, WE DON'T OWN.

RIGHT.

AND, AND, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT POINT YOU CONSIDER TURNING THAT OFF.

I, IT'S, YEAH.

NEED TO GET, GET ON IT.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT'S SOMETHING AND, AND I, I ONLY SEE THE COST GOING THAT ONE DIRECTION.

YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF OLDSCHOOL IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF IT, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE COST.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

WELL, AND I, AND I SAID I HAD, THAT'S MY LAST TIME.

HAVE ONE MORE ITEM I KNOW UP.

I I, MY, MY

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THAT THESE CAR MANUFACTURERS GIVE TO, UH, COUNTIES AND CITIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEING PASSED ALONG.

AND I THINK WE'RE END, WE'RE END UP PAYING MORE FOR A CAR THAN WE COULD BUY IT.

BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I WON'T PUT THAT OUT THERE.

SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, ARE WE GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT COMMITTEE? I WAS ON THIS.

I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT.

UH, WE CAN DO OUR LITTLE COMMITTEE DEAL YEAH.

ON THE POLICE EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY AND THEN THE OTHER FLEET VEHICLES BE ADDRESSED.

RIGHT.

THAT'S A SEPARATE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, AND THAT GIVES US SOME KIND OF TREND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY.

YEAH.

AND HE'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL ALL COME BACK TO COURT AND HE'LL HELP IN THE BUDGET AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO.

YEAH.

WELL THERE'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT TYPE USAGES.

YEAH.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CARS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE ROAD ALL THE TIME, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE A LOT MORE ABUSE ON THE VEHICLES AND STUFF.

SO, I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THAN JUST DEPARTMENT VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, AS IT MIGHT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO DO SOMETHING.

SO, YEAH.

I I I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING IT SEPARATE.

YEAH.

JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER MOORE MAKES A MOTION.

HAVE A SECOND.

NO SECOND.

HAVE A SECOND FROM ANOTHER RETIRED POLICE OFFICER.

AND COMMISSIONER BARBARA.

ANYWAY.

AND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE.

AYE.

A THANK YOU VERY MUCH JACK.

AND WE'RE

[12. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider advertising to sell County Surplus property utilizing Rene Bates Online Auctioneer Services.]

YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE, I THINK AUCTION SERVICES THREE VEHICLES AT YOUR PARKING LOT YOU'D LIKE TO GET RID OF.

GET OUT OF THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

SO WE'VE GOT A FEW VEHICLES THAT, UH, UH, NEED TO SELL, UH, THEIR COUNTY OWNED VEHICLES.

AND THEN IF ANYONE HAS ANY EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? I KNOW SOME OF THE CONSTABLES EVEN HAVE SOME OF THESE, UH, LIGHT BARS AND STUFF THAT WERE PULLED OFF CARS THAT THEY CAN'T USE 'EM ON, NEED TO SELL.

UH, WE CAN SELL THOSE OR COULD BE SOME SECURITY AGENCY THAT WOULD BUY 'EM, OR A SMALLER CITY MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY'VE GOT A, A SHIP CONTAINER AND I THINK IT'S FULL OF THAT STUFF OUT THERE ON MY LOT TOO.

ALL THIS THINGS PILE UP OVER EVERYBODY'S WELCOME TO GATHER UP A JUNK AND I SHOW IT FOR YOU.

I KNOW WE WE'RE COLLECTORS.

WE'RE HOARDERS OVER THERE.

ALRIGHT, .

ANYWAY.

ALRIGHT, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MR. BARBARA MADE A MOTION.

HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND MR. HUNT SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

[13. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider advertising a bid for Annual Contract: Misc. Contractor Services.]

AGAIN, DISCUSSING, UH, ADVERTISING FOR THE BID, UH, ON THE ANNUAL CONTRACT, UH, FOR MISCELLANEOUS CON CONTRACTOR SERVICES.

YOU GENTLEMEN MAY REMEMBER THAT I BROUGHT THIS TO COURT HERE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO.

UH, AND IT WAS AN EFFORT TO ACTUALLY HELP FACILITIES AND, AND GET, YOU KNOW, THEIR PEOPLE LINED UP FOR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT JOBS.

UH, WITH ALL THE PROJECTS THAT COME UP.

UH, NOW WE HAVE ONE AT THE JUVENILE PROBATION CENTER.

UH, IT'S ACTUALLY CREATING A PROBLEM ON MY END BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO MONITOR THESE VENDORS THAT ARE APPROACHING A $50,000 MARK.

AND SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY IF WE WENT OUT AND ACTUALLY PUT SOME TYPE OF BID THAT WE COULD JUST PICK UP THE PHONE AND, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT PRICE AND, AND CALL THESE FOLKS.

UM, UH, I THINK JUVENILE PROBATION IS, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.

UH, THEY'VE GOT SOME MONEY THAT I THINK THE STATE'S GIVEN THEM AND THEY'VE GOT A PERIOD OF TIME TO SPEND THAT AND THEY'VE IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THEY NEED TO FIX AT, AT THE CENTER OVER THERE.

AND THERE AGAIN, IF WE HAD SOME IN PLACE LIKE THIS, WE COULD JUST GO TO WORK AND NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REINVENT THE WHEEL EACH TIME.

BUT, BUT, UH, UH, SO I'M ASKING DO WE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT? I GUESS I'M CURIOUS IF THE CONTRACTOR, YOU SAY CONTRACTOR, IS IT WELL, TO MAKE IT, TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER FOR, I'VE SPOKE WITH JACK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND I'VE ALSO SPOKE WITH FACILITIES, UH, IN THE PAST, JUST SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS ANYTIME THE COUNTY SPENDS, UH, MONEY, WHETHER YOU'RE USING A VENDOR OR SERVICE, YOU'RE LIMITED TO $50,000.

UH, ANYTHING THAT GOES OVER 50,000, THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY.

SO THAT'S, IF ALL FOUR COMMISSIONERS A JUDGE OR ANYBODY'S USING THIS, IF IT GOES OVER 50,000, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO TO BID UNDER, UH, SO THAT THERE'S A FAIR, UH, BIDDING PROCESS SO THAT ANYBODY CAN BID TO GO INTO THIS.

SO, UH, EVEN THOUGH IF YOU USE FIVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, UH, IN THEORY YOU COULD USE FIVE DIFFERENT, ONE, JUST DON'T GO OVER 50,000 A YEAR WITHOUT GOING TO BID.

BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK, I EVEN HAD THIS LITTLE CLASS ON THIS, UH, THEY SUGGEST THAT WE GO BY THE FAIR LABOR'S ACT.