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GOOD MORNING.AND WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING HERE AT THE ANNEX.
WE'RE GONNA BEGIN THIS ONE OF AN INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER MOORE, AND THEN COMMISSIONER HUNT'S GONNA LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES TO THE FLAGS.
IF YOU'LL JOIN ME AND STAND, PLEASE PRAY.
MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MORNING THAT WE CAN COME, AS ALWAYS, SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN THIS CAPACITY, LORD, TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
BE WITH US AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THAT THERE ARE DECISIONS THAT YOU'D HAVE US TO MAKE.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR MILITARY, OUR POLICE, OR FIRE, ALL OF OUR, UH, PUBLIC AND SAFETY RESPONDERS THAT'S OUT THERE SERVING US, OUR MILITARY OVERSEAS.
AND WE JUST ASK YOU TO GUIDE US AND WE GIVE YOU PRAISE AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR BLESSINGS.
I PLACE LADIES TO THE FLAG THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG OF PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.]
HAVE ANY ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE THIS MORNING.MR. MIKE, WHAT YOU HAVE? I JUST GOT A TEXT THIS MORNING TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE CLEANUP IN THE PRECINCT.
IS IT GONNA BE ON 4 29? MM-HMM?
YEAH, OUR STORAGE SLOT OVER THERE.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA]
THE SENATE AGENDA.Y'ALL HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT BOTH A AND B FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETINGS AND FOR THE DEPOSITION OF JESSICA MOYA FOR THE COPEN COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION FOR YOU.
MR. PHIS MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[3. Tommy Moore: Discuss/Consider/Accept 2024 Road Report for Precinct 4.]
HAS, UH, HIS ROAD REPORT FOR OUR ACCEPTANCE THIS MORNING.SO, MR. MOORE, YOU PUT THAT IN FORM OF A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ROAD REPORT.
SO I DO YOU SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[4. Trenis Ramsey: Discuss/Consider/Approve the formation of a planning committee for building a Juvenile Detention Center.]
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND ALL THE COHORTS THAT YOU BROUGHT WITH YOU.IF YOU DON'T, Y'ALL DON'T ALL MIND COMING ON UP.
WELL WE ARE HERE TODAY TO HEAR MR. TR UH, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE FORMATION OF A PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR A BUILDING FOR A JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER.
AND IF YOU'LL EXPLAIN TO US, WE ALL KNOW THE NEED, RIGHT.
BUT THE CITIZENS DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IF YOU KIND OF GO INTO DETAIL AND IF SOME OF THE, IF THE SHERIFF OR THE JUDGES, UH, OUR DA WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
WELL, YOU CAN TELL WHAT ATTENTION I THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
BASICALLY, BASICALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO, WE, WE KNOW WE IN A NEED FOR THE DETENTION CENTER, A DETENTION CENTER.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HOUSE THE KIDS.
IF THEY BREAK THE LAW, WE HAVE A PLACE TO PUT 'EM.
RIGHT NOW WHAT WE DO, WE CONTRACT OUT WITH DIFFERENT COUNTIES TO PLACE OUR KIDS.
LIKE LAST NIGHT I THINK WE, UH, FEMALE WAS ARRESTED AND WE HAD, WE HAD TO SEND HER TO UH, MARSHALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
SO IF WE BUILD A DETENTION CENTER, WE WILL HAVE IT HERE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
SO, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN SURE.
WE HAVE PLACE TO PUT THE KIDS ONCE THEY'RE ARRESTED.
THANKS TR UM, AND ALL THESE FOLKS KNOW THIS, BUT THIS IS EDUCATION.
JUVENILE DETENTION CENTERS ARE FOR CHILDREN OF THE AGES BETWEEN 10 AND 16.
'CAUSE VERY COMMONLY PEOPLE WILL GO, WELL, WE'LL JUST TALK TO THE SHERIFF AND HE CAN PUT THOSE EXTRA KIDS THERE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO.
SO THE NEED FOR A JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF OUR GROWTH.
I THINK THE PEOPLE HERE AND STANDING BEHIND ME AND THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD WORKING, HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENED IN NORTH FORNEY BY DOING THE TASK FORCE AND BY TR AND WITH, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT TASK FORCE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING DOOR TO DOOR TALKING TO SOME OF OUR, WE WOULD CALL 'EM KIDS THAT WE THINK MIGHT HAVE A PROPENSITY RE-OFFEND.
SO WE'RE USING EVERYTHING WE CAN, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS ON THE STREET THAT KAUFFMAN COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT KIDS IF THEY COMMIT AN OFFENSE BECAUSE THE CHILDREN KNOW, JUST LIKE WE KNOW FROM OUR EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT PEOPLE IN THE JAIL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AS WELL AS WHAT WE DO.
SO WE NEED TO REVERSE THAT AND SAY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED, NOT TRUANCY, BUT
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLASS B OR ABOVE.AND THEY'RE USUALLY FELONIES OR VERY DANGEROUS OFFENSES OR REPEAT OFFENSES OR PEOPLE THAT THESE JUDGE ARE, ARE GOING TO PUT.
AND EVEN JUDGE, NOT SAYING EVEN, BUT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE, OUR PRESIDING JUDGE HAS BEEN DOING AS WE'VE BEEN TRANSITIONING WITH THE NEW JUDGE, THAT JUDGE RUSSELL THAT'S BEHIND ME, THAT'S THE PRESIDING JUDGE.
HE, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DOING JUVENILE CASES AND WE USED TO HAVE DETENTION HEARINGS MAYBE, UM, TWICE A MONTH.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF NEED, AND I WANT THE COMMITTEE AND WITH YOUR DIRECTION TO NOT ONLY EXPLORE BUILDING A DETENTION CENTER HERE, PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE, THE REAL NEED IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT KIDS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN AND IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO SHERIFF? ONE THING I SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
AND THE ONE THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IS, IS THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT THEY NEED.
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE KIDS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF KIDS ON ANKLE MONITORS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN'T DO 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM.
IF WE COULD DO THAT, MAYBE WE COULD CURVE THE, THE TENDENCY TO THESE KIDS AND REALIZE THAT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE 'EM, UH, CITIZENS IN OUR COUNTY THAT ARE BEING PRODUCTIVE BESIDES BREAKING THE LAW.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED WITH THIS DETENTION CENTER TO HELP US.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS OUT THERE WITH ANKLE MONITORS AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM EVERY DAY.
SO THEY NEED THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE WHEN WE NEED TO.
SO IT IS A VERY BIG NEED THAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILD IT BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT.
SHARE WITH THIS, THE LOGISTICS WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME, I'VE HAD SOME OF THE COS CALL ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, HEY, WE GOTTA GO TO MIDLAND, WE GOTTA GO TO VICTORIA.
TAKES TWO DEPUTIES EXPLAINED WELL HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR ME, BECAUSE THEY GET TO TAKE 'EM WHEN THEY FIRST PIN, BUT I'VE GOTTA GO PICK 'EM UP AND BRING 'EM BACK FOR COURT EVERY TIME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO EVEN IF MY DEPUTY GETS OLD ONE, WE'RE DRIVING WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE EIGHT HOURS, SO IS THE LONGEST WE'VE HAD AND TAKING 'EM THERE AND THEN BRINGING 'EM BACK.
BUT THEN USUALLY THESE JUDGES WILL WANT THEM BACK PRETTY QUICK TO HAVE A HEARING THAT'S REQUIRED AND WE'RE DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP THERE AND BRINGING 'EM BACK.
SO IT'S, IT'S TAKING A LOT OF TIME.
AND THEN Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE NUMBERS OF TRANSPORTS, HOW MUCH THEY'VE WENT UP AND IT'S, MAJORITY OF IT IS THE JUVENILES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO GO FOR A LONG PLACE TO GET 'EM.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT 'EM.
SO IT, IT IS A, A STRAIN ON TRANSPORT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
'CAUSE WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF DEPUTIES AND EVEN CONSTABLES OUT OF THE AREA WHEN WE COULD HAVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A CLOSE PLACE WE COULD KEEP 'EM HERE, HOUR OR TWO, TAKE CARE OF THE PAPERWORK AND GET 'EM DROPPED OFF.
WHERE NOW WE'RE TAKING 'EM AWAY FROM SERVING THE PUBLIC AND MAYBE AN EMERGENCY INSTEAD OF BEING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I KNOW PROBABLY FOR NEXT YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON THE HOUSING.
NOT COUNTING WHAT THE SHERIFF AND THE CONSTABLES HAVE TO DO.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH THE JUDGES WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF HIDDEN COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT WE'RE SPENDING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF OTHER, UH, AGENCY'S BUDGETS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TAKE IN THE COST OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, IT WOULD EQUATE WITH WHAT THESE OTHER AGENCIES ARE HAVING TO DO.
AND IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AS JUDGE WILEY MENTIONED, UH, A LOT OF THE JUVENILES THAT ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS ARE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED WITH POLICE OFFICERS WHO SAY AFTER THE ARREST, THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR IF THEY'RE GONNA BE DETAINED.
THOSE CHILDREN ARE LAUGHING AT 'EM, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DETAINED BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE'S ONLY LIMITED, UH, BEDS AVAILABLE.
AND WITH THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE WITH, WITH NO IMMEDIATE REPERCUSSIONS FOR CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LONG TERM.
IT'S ONLY WHAT'S HAPPENING TO 'EM TODAY.
IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE GETTING OUT TODAY, THAT'S REALLY ALL THEY CARE ABOUT.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IF THEY COMMIT A CRIME, ESPECIALLY VIOLENT ONE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
JUDGE BLAIR, WELL, I'LL JUST ADD THAT IT'S NOT SHOPLIFTING AND, AND BMVS THAT I'M SEEING.
I SIGNED A LOT OF THESE WARRANTS.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE AGGRAVATED CRIMES.
SO THE, THE NEED FOR DETAINING THESE CHILDREN OBVIOUSLY IS THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S AGGRAVATED, IT'S MURDER, IT'S, IT'S THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOPLIFTING, NOT STEALING A CANDY BAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT, THAT THIS IS A, A GREAT NEED.
I DON'T DO A LOT OF THE JUVENILES, BUT I HAVE, I HAVE FILLED IN LATELY ON THOSE DETENTION HEARINGS AND I'VE BEEN JUST AMAZED ON, ON THE, THE LEVEL OF CRIME, THE TYPES OF
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CRIMES AND WHAT THEY ARE.AND THEN, UM, JUST THE, THE, THE INABILITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO FURTHER DETAIN.
AND THAT'S WHY WHERE TRAIN US HAS TO COME IN WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
WE, YOU KNOW, USE ANKLE MONITORS AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT PROBATION TACTICS.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT REALLY NEEDS THE THREAT OF THAT DETENTION FACILITY OR THAT FURTHER DETAINMENT IN ORDER TO, TO REALLY DO ITS JOB.
AND JUDGE YOU WOULD ADD, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH TRI AND ALL OF US HAVE SEEN THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE, UM, LACK OF PLACEMENT, THEN WE'RE ASKING PROBATION AND ULTIMATELY THE JUDGES TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHICH KID DO WE LET OUT BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE THERE IN SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE CONTRACTS, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BEDS THAT WE CAN HAVE.
SO IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WITH A MORE SERIOUS OFFENSE, WE ARE LETTING OUT SOMEONE WITH ANOTHER SERIOUS OFFENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT ON PROBATION.
WE'LL ULTIMATELY HAS TO CONTACT ONE OF THESE JUDGES TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
THAT IS, THAT IS NOT HOW YOU WANNA RUN.
WELL, TRISH TOLD ME I DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEAK THIS MORNING SO
OUR COUNTY IS GROWING AND WE NEED THIS FACILITY.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO US, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS AND IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL.
AND UH, IF WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH SOME METHOD OF HAVING A REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I AM ALL FOR THAT.
JOSEPH WILL BE HANDING MOST OF THE JUVENILES, BUT I'LL BE FILLING IN WHEN NECESSARY.
WE REALLY NEED THIS IN THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THREE OTHER COUNTY JUDGES.
I HAVE TWO OR THREE MORE TO GO.
THEY ARE ALL VERY INTERESTED IN HAVING, UH, INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH US.
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE SAME BOAT.
THEY HAVE EIGHT HOUR DRIVES TO GET THROUGH JUVENILE SOMEWHERE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BLESSING.
UH, AND IT WILL HELP US OFFSET SOME OF THE COST.
BUT IT GIVES THEM THE SAME RELIEF THAT WE NEED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND THE KIDS.
SO ANYONE ELSE? WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SAID YOU TALKED TO THE OTHER JUDGES ABOUT LEASING SPACE OR RENTING SPACE WITH US.
WHAT ABOUT GOING IN, PARTNERING WITH US? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL WORK.
IF WE'RE SPENDING, UH, COUNTY MONEY OUT OF COUNTY.
I I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS HAVE THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENTS.
UH, AND THEREFORE IF THEY WANNA RESERVE FIVE, 10 BEDS, WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST.
AND I SPOKE THIS TWICE LAST WEEK WITH UH, JUDGE BLACKBURN.
UH, THEIR TRUE COST RIGHT NOW IS 380 BUCKS A DAY TO HOUSE A JUVENILE THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'D BE GETTING BARGAIN RATES.
HE SAID WE CAN'T SUSTAIN THIS ANY LONGER.
SO, AND ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT'S PUT ON RIGHT.
THE DETENTION PEOPLE, YOU GOTTA HAVE ALL THE PROFESSIONAL FOLKS THERE.
IT'S JUST EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
BUT THEN YOU WEIGH THAT AGAINST WHAT IT DAMAGE IT DOES TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU JUST HAVE TO DO.
AND COMMISSIONER HUNT, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
BUT IF WE BUILD IT AND IT'S HERE, WE OWN IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE OWN THE PROBLEM.
SO WE, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN WITH US, BUT THE FIRST PROBLEMS WE HAD, OR IF THEY WANNA PULL OUT, WE ARE STILL STUCK WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK A REGIONAL HAS A, HAS A POTENTIAL FOR A GOOD IDEA AND WE COULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU.
IF IT'S BUILT HERE IN THIS COUNTY AND IT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS WANT CONTROL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A LEAVE FACILITY OR YOU WANNA DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, YOU CONTROL IT AND THEN YOU CONTROL WHAT'S DONE THERE AND HOW IT'S OPERATED.
BUT IT IS A TREMENDOUS EXPENSE.
AND AND AS LONG AS THE THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR DECISION AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL DECISION THAT IT'S GONNA IMPACT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND THEN, AND THEN IT'S AN ONGOING COST FOR YEARS TO COME.
LIKE THE JAIL, THEY CHANGED THE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND, AND SHERIFF BEAVERS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND STUFF HAVE BEEN GREAT.
AND I'M SURE THAT THIS FACILITY WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.
THE SAME EXPECTATIONS WILL BE THERE, BUT IT'S GONNA COST US TO DO THAT.
AND WE JUST NEED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A COMMIT COMMITMENT THAT EVERY CITIZEN MAKES NO.
ANYWAY, I THINK THOSE WERE THE COSTS THAT JUDGE RUSSELL GOTTA LET THAT ROLL OFF MY TONGUE.
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TALKING ABOUT THE COST THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY KNOW AND DETERMINE THAT THERE, THOSE COSTS.I WILL SAY I THINK IN YEARS PAST WE'VE HAD SPIKES.
WE'VE HAD SPIKES BEFORE WITH JUVENILES, BUT I THINK NOW IS THE TIME BECAUSE THE, WE KNOW FROM THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED THAT WITH JUST THE POPULATION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE BEFORE WHEN WE'D HAVE A SPIKE AND WE'D HAVE TO SCRAMBLE AND LOOK FOR A PLACE AND THEN WE'D COME BACK DOWN WHEN WE WERE SORT OF STAGNANT WHEN I STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, WE'D HAVE, WE HAD SPIKES OVER WHEN I WAS A JUDGE OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
BUT THE NEXT YEAR WE'D GO DOWN, BUT THE POPULATION WAS ONLY GOING UP MAYBE 10,000 PEOPLE A YEAR.
BUT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS PLANNING COMMITTEE TO DO IS ACROSS THE STATE, THESE FACILITIES ARE SHUTTING DOWN.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT ANY BEDS ANYWHERE.
IF WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR PLANNING, FIND OUT WHY THESE FACILITIES ARE ARE BEING SHUT DOWN OR THE DECISIONS ARE THE STATE SHUT THEIRS DOWN TOO.
THERE ARE REASONS WHY THAT, SO EITHER WE SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OR WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING, WHETHER THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT OR WHATEVER, BUT WHATEVER THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND MAYBE IT'S BIGGER, THAT IS THE STATE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE STEPPING IN TO TAKE CARE OF THE JUVENILE TEACH.
BUT TEXAS, THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY A REGIONAL ONE WOULD EVER WORK IS THE STATE RAN IT.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE'VE TALKED AND I THINK THE BIG THING TOO IS, IS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL US HOW MANY BEDS WE'RE STILL SETTING WASTING STATE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY? WELL, RIGHT NOW I JUST GOT A REPORT THIS MORNING FROM, UH, THE STATE.
WE HAVE 144 KIDS PENDING TRANSPORT TO TJJD, WHICH IS PRISON FOR, UH, JUVENILES.
AND RIGHT NOW THIS MORNING, THAT'S HOW THEY, THAT'S HOW MANY THEY HAVE WAITING JUST TO GO.
IF WE COMMIT A CHILD TODAY, IT'S GONNA TAKE US AN AVERAGE OF FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THAT CHILD ACTUALLY LEAVES DETENTION TO GO TO TJJD.
SO DURING THAT TIME, THAT CHILD IS STILL HERE WITH US AND WE ARE STILL PAYING THE COST FOR THAT KID TO BE IN DETENTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO IT'S BACKED UP ON THAT END.
AND IT'S BACKED UP ON OUR END AND IT JUST FLOWS DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE KIDS DETENTION.
BELIEVE ME, YOU SIT ON COMMISSIONER SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING FROM THE STATE FLOWS DOWN.
SO IF THEY DUMP THE BUCKET DOWN, YOU PAY FOR IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.
SO THAT'S TAKEN AWAY A BED FOR KIDS THAT ARE ARRESTED ON THE FRONT END.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.
AND YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN TO 'EM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE VISITED AND WITH THE DA ABOUT PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, NOT THEIR NAMES, BUT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ON THIS COMMITTEE AT THE BEGINNING SIR.
THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ON TOP OF THAT.
WHAT WE DECIDED FROM THE JUVENILE BOARD, WE DECIDED TO PUT, I HAVE ALL THE SUPERINTENDENTS ON BOARD, THE MAYORS FROM SEVERAL CITIES IN OUR COUNTY AS WELL AS THE SHERIFF CONSTABLES.
WE HAVE PRIVATE CITIZENS, I THINK THE FIRST BAPTIST, UH, PASTOR HERE IN KAUFMAN AND UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BANK.
SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THROUGHOUT THE, THE WHOLE COUNTY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
WE WILL HAVE MEETINGS SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT TO SAY EXACTLY.
TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO GET THIS DONE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COVER ALL OF OUR BASES.
LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, WHAT THE SOLUTION IS AND WILL THEY SUPPORT IT? YES.
WELL THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT KAUFMAN I KNOW IS ON BOARD.
I MEAN ALL SCHOOLS, ALL OF THEM.
AND I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THE KAMAN SCHOOL.
IF IT'S HERE, NOT IN THE SCHOOL, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO FURNISH THE EDUCATION.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT, THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE JUDGE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, THEIR MEETING AND THEIR MEETING IS JUST TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ONLY AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE ONE TALKING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE ARCHITECT IS GONNA, ONE GONNA COME WITH ALL THE NUMBERS THROUGH ALL THE, FIGURING EVERYTHING WE NEED.
SO WE WILL BE PREPARED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COST, EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHITECTS ARE SET FOR.
AND WE'RE GOING TOUR A COUPLE OF FACILITIES THAT RECENT THAT THEY HAVE BUILT OR ADDED ONTO SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOT GOING INTO THIS BLIND, LIKE EXACTLY.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH.
UH, FIRST IT'S IN DALLAS AND THE OTHER COMPANY I THINK IS IN AUSTIN AND I JUST MET WITH THEM ON FRIDAY MORNING.
SO WE'RE DOING OUR HOMEWORK BEST WE CAN.
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ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONERS.Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? LOOK, I KNOW WHEN I WAS OUT IN ABILENE LAST YEAR, I WAS TALKING TO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER PEOPLE.
IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN ONE.
IT'S NOT BUT, AND MY ONLY REQUEST TO THE PANEL WOULD BE IT IS DON'T YOU NEED, IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT NOT SHORT LIKE, OR SMALL OR MINIMUM STANDARDS.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER PRICE WISE.
THEY NEED TO BE REAL ABOUT THE, THE ABILENE HAS 40 BEDS AND THEY, THE BEDS ARE FULL EVERY NIGHT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE TO OTHER FACILITIES AND THEY OPERATE A $6.8 MILLION A YEAR FACILITY THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO TRANSPORT THEIR KIDS OUTTA ABILENE 'CAUSE IT'S TOO SMALL.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE PANEL NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
IT DON'T MATTER WHAT THE PRICE IS ON THAT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT IT, IT'S BUILT FOR THE FUTURE.
LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, IT CAN'T BE BUILT TO SUBSTANDARD.
SO IF THEY'LL LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I ASK FOR 'EM TO DO IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
GET SOME REAL NUMBERS AND YOU KNOW.
I WOULD SAY ONCE AGAIN WITH OTHER, OTHER COMP OR OTHER PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE CAN DO, EVEN THOUGH WE LOOK AT THE COST AND, AND PLAN FOR THE GROWTH THAT THAT OFFSET, THEY WILL COME TO US AT LIKE YOU SAY IT AIN'T GONNA PAY FOR IT, BUT WE'LL OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENSES JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE US MARSHALS CONTRACT.
IT DON'T PAY FOR IT, BUT IT OFFSETS AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA LOOK AT.
'CAUSE WE BUILD A LOT OF BUILDINGS AROUND HERE THAT WE DON'T PLAN MUCH GROWTH BESIDES MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
WE NEED A PLAN, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHAT WHEN I SPOKE SPEAK TO THE ARCHITECTS, THAT'S ONE THING I SAID WE GOTTA DO THE PROJECTIONS AND THEY KNOW GOING IN AND IN WE ARE GONNA DO THE PROJECTIONS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE BUILD IT ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO HANDLE WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
'CAUSE KAMAN COUNTY IS GONNA BE FIRST.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT IF YOU GO INTO ILAS WITH OTHER COUNTIES RIGHT.
AND, AND SAY THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MURDER SUSPECT OR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT 'EM SOMEWHERE HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A WHILE SO IT'S GONNA TAKE BED SPACE.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PLANNED THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST I AGREE.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT NOW THEN ADD ON TO IT.
ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.
MR. HUNT MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
[5. Jack Sebastian: Discuss/Consider purchasing a 2025 Brazos 55-ton RGN Lowboy for Road and Bridge Precinct 3 Buyboard 687-22.]
UP NEXT CHIEF.OKAY, WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER PURCHASING A 2025 BRAZOS 55 TON RGN LOW BOY FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE NUMBER THREE, BUYBOARD 6 87 DASH 22.
IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER NEEDS A TRAILER.
AND UH, IT IS ON BUYBOARD SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD PURCHASE AND I'D MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE'RE PAYING CASH FOR THAT.
MR. BARR MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND MR. UH, MOORE MAY 2ND.
[6. Shannon Roden: Discuss/Consider/Approve final plat of Wallace Acres located on FM 429 and CR 340 on Precinct 3.]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE FINAL PLAID FOR WALLACE ACRES LOCATED ON FM 4 29 AND COUNTY ROAD 30 40 IN PRECINCT TWO THREE.SO TODAY'S WALLACE ACRES, WHICH IS ABOUT 26 ACRES TOTAL AND THE OWNER'S SPLITTING THAT INTO FOUR LOTS.
THOSE RANGE FROM 1.4 TO 19 ACRES.
ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND APPROVALS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE AGENDA REQUEST PACKET.
AND WE JUST NEED YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
MR. BARR MAKES THAT MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND MR. SMITH, MAKE SECOND.
[7. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Consrder/Approve the use of County Property Application for Open Infra to install Fiber Optic Lines on County Road 4106 in Precinct 4.]
DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE USE OF COUNTY PROPERTY APPLICATION FOR OPEN INFRA TO INSTALL FIBER OPTICS ON COUNTY ROAD 41 0 6 IN PRECINCT FOUR.HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? WE'RE GOOD.
SO, UH, AS NORMAL REVIEWED THE PLANS, EVERYTHING'S THERE.
THEY'VE MARKED IT PROPER DEPTH, THEY'VE MARKED ALL LOCATIONS OF THE PROPER AREAS.
UM, A FEW BOXES COMING OFF, BUT OTHER THAN THOSE THINGS, UH, NOTHING CAUGHT MY EYE ON THE PLANS.
AND, UH, UM, FORGIVE ME IF I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU ALL THIS, BUT WE DID HAVE A COUPLE ROAD INSPECTIONS, UH, HERE RECENTLY.
UM, WE HAVE NOT FINISHED MASTERS LANE YET.
THERE WAS A COUPLE ISSUES THAT I WANTED THEM TO FIX ON THERE.
AND 41 0 2, THE INSTALLATION WAS REDONE BECAUSE THE LINE WAS PLACED ORIGINALLY TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
YEAH, THEY REINSTALLED IT AT THE PROPER DEPTH.
ANY QUESTIONS? I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
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CARRIES GARRETT ONCE[8. Garrett Moore: Discuss/Consider/Approve the use of County Property Applications for Open Infra to Install Fiber Optics on Deborah Drive, Anne Avenue, CR 133A and CR 141 in Precinct 1.]
AGAIN DISCUSS APPROVED COUNTY PROPERTY APPLICATION FOR OPEN INFRA ALL TO INSTALL FIBER OPTICS ON DEBRA DRIVE AND AVENUE COUNTY ROAD.UH, SAME THING AS UH, PREVIOUSLY I REVIEWED THE PLANS, DIDN'T CATCH ANYTHING THAT SEEMED OUT OF PLACE.
COMMISSIONER DON MAKES THE MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
NUMBER NINE, COMMISSIONER BARBER.
[9. Terry Barber: Discuss/Consider/Accept 2024-2025 Road Report for Road and Bridge Precinct 3.]
DISCUSSED EXCEPT HIS 24 25 ROAD REPORT FOR PRECINCT THREE.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CARTOONS ON THE FRONT.
YOU LIKE THAT
TOMMY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW I'S PRETTY I HAVE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[10. Nathan Collins: Discuss/Consider/Approve the contract agreement between One ring Networks and Kaufman County for a circuit at the Kaufman County Show Grounds.]
NATHAN'S A PROUD NEW DADDY.HE'S NOT HERE TODAY SO HE'S GONNA BE UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO IF YOU DO NEED HIM, YOU CAN CALL HIM AND GET AHOLD OF HIM.
I KNOW, I, I'VE WORKED WITH HIM ON THIS.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS UH, ON THE OLD CAR OVER THERE.
WAY WE CAN GET INTERNET TO FAIR GROUND.
SO BEN'S WORKED WITH HIM AND I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE AT ALL.
THERE'S NO EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING.
SO I THINK IT'S ALL GOOD TO GO.
JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE CATTLEMAN CONFERENCES THERE AND YEAH.
CLASSES AND STUFF SO IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO, TO GET ON TO.
HAVE THE PROGRAMS. SO I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[11. Auditor: Discuss/Consider/Approve line-item and budget transfers/corrections.]
LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS.WE HAVE EMAILED YOU LINE ITEM TRANSFERS AND BUDGET AMENDMENTS, UM, TO LOOK OVER.
UM, AND WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? Y'ALL, THEY EMAILED TO YOU? YEP.
YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[12. Auditor: Discuss/Consider/Approve claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor.]
ONCE AGAIN APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION.SO THIS WEEK WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE AP INVOICES.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF $1,510,906 AND 29 CENTS.
AND MOST OF THIS IS MADE UP OF EMPLOYEE INSURANCE AND ROAD BONDS.
SO WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO PAY.
MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
[13. Adjourn Meeting]
ADJOURN THE MEETING.MR. PHILLIPS MAKES MOTION ADJOURNED TO HAVE A SECOND.