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MORNING.[Call to Order]
EVERYONE TO OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT.HERE IT IS, MARCH THE 10TH, AND WE'RE IN ANNEX AS USUAL.
AND WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION IN OUR PLEDGES.
IF YOU'D JOIN ME AND STAND, PLEASE PRAY.
COUNTY, FATHER LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.
LORD, WE PRAY FOR WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.
LORD, AS WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY, WE JUST ALWAYS WANT TO GIVE YOU PRAISE FOR WHO YOU ARE AND THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU GIVE US.
LORD, BE WITH OUR MILITARY, UH, AS CAMPAIGNS ARE TAKING PLACE AROUND THE WORLD, LORD, THAT YOU'LL BE WITH OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN, BE WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL OF THOSE THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WE JUST GIVE YOU PRAISE.
AND YOUR SON'S HOLY NAME, AMEN.
FOR WHICH HANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL.
WILL LIBERTY BE JUSTICE FOR ALL A HUNDRED? TEXAS LATTER.
I PUT ELIZABETH, THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THIS MORNING? MS. LAURA? ANY
[1. ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE]
ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE.COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING? UH, YOU MENTION FIRE WELL, FIRE BAN HAS BEEN LIFTED.
IT'S BEEN ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S ALREADY BURNING IN THE RAIN.
JUST DON'T PUT ANY TIRES IN THERE.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA ]
HAVE THREE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.ACCEPT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT REGULAR MEETING FOR MARCH 3RD.
DISCUSSED ACCEPT THE TAX ASSESSORS, COLLECTOR'S MONTHLY TAX COLLECTION REPORT FOR JANUARY OF 26TH.
AND DISCUSS AND ACCEPT THE TAX ASSESSOR'S COLLECTION MONTHLY AUTO COLLECTIONS FOR JANUARY 26TH.
Y'ALL ALL HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THESE.
ANY QUESTIONS? CORRECTIONS NOW? ANY MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR YOU.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
MR. TR, WHERE ARE YOU? THERE YOU ARE.
[3. Trenis Ramsey: Discuss/Consider/Approve the attached resolution by the Juvenile Board designating all District Courts and District Judges as alternative court for Juvenile Court. ]
WANTS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION BY THE JUVENILE BOARD DESIGNATING ALL DISTRICT COURTS AND DISTRICT JUDGES AS ALTERNATES.UH, COURT FOR JUVENILE COURT? YES, SIR.
UH, THE JUVENILE BOARD MET, UH, LAST MONTH AND WE COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE JUVENILE COURT JUST IN CASE.
UH, JUDGE ROSS WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
JUDGE RICH, THEY DECIDED THAT TO INCLUDE ALL THE DISTRICT COURTS.
SO WE'LL HAVE A BACKUP IF WE NEED TO TAKE KIDS TO COURT.
SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION CONSISTS OF.
I, I MET WITH, UM, THE CHARTER SCHOOL YESTERDAY, UH, TRINITY CHARTER SCHOOL.
THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE TEACHERS ALL MATERIALS, SUPPLIES, COMPUTERS, EVERYTHING.
WE JUST, IF WE HAVE THE SPACE, THEY'RE GOOD.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING, UH, THE DETENTION CENTER AND MARSHALL, UH, THEY DO THE SCHOOL FOR THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACEMENTS AROUND THE STATE.
I THINK IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD TO GO ON THAT TO HAVE A POINT.
THAT'LL SAVE US SOME MONEY ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE TRENT'S REQUEST.
MR. LANE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[4. Casey Morris: Discuss/Consider/Accept setting the solid waste and recycling services fees for the 2026 fiscal year. ]
MORRIS, DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND ACCEPT SETTING THE, UH, SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SERVICES FEES FOR 26 FISCAL YEAR.HOW Y'ALL DOING? UM, I SENT ALL THIS INFORMATION OVER TO YOU.
TALKED TO BRANDY AND KAREN, UH, AND THE CITY CITY'S GONNA MATCH US FOR THE KAUFMAN, UH, SOLID WASTE.
SO, UH, JUST KIND OF WAITING FOR, SEE IF Y'ALL WANNA APPROVE IT.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT.
MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[5. Fabi Carrillo: Discuss/Consider a motion to approve the final plat for Clark Vista located on Clark Lane in Precinct 1. ]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR CLARK VISTA, LOCATED ON CLARK LANE IN PRECINCT ONE.GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
SO, BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANNA SAY THAT THIS WILL BE MY LAST PRESENTATION.
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SERVICES CLERK, AS I HAVE TRANSITIONED TO PURCHASING AS THE ASSET COORDINATOR.AND I WANNA THANK MONIQUE HUNTER, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR AND PURCHASING AGENT LORENA DIAZ FOR LETTING ME PRESENT MY LAST PLOT.
HEY, WE STILL HAVE YOU IN THE COUNTY THOUGH.
SHE SOUNDS REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS,
WELL, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WHERE YOU ARE.
EVEN THOUGH I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME ONE TIME.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON HER REQUEST? NO.
ANY MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER PHIPPS MADE THE SECOND.
THANK YOU FA AND YOU'LL DO GREAT IN YOUR NEW POSITION.
WHO'S COMING FOR, OH, HERE WE GO.
[6. Development Services: Discuss/Consider/Approve the final plat of Valencia Phase 1, located on State Highway 243 and CR 102 in Precinct 1. ]
US.CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE PLAID FOR VALENCIA.
PHASE ONE, LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 2 43.
COUNTY ROAD 1 0 2 IN PRECINCT ONE.
SO YOU'RE ALL STILL STUCK WITH ME IN DEVELOPMENT, SO I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU AS WE MOVE THROUGH THESE PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS, UH, PHASE ONE OF VALENCIA.
IT'S THE PROJECT ON STATE HIGHWAY 2 43, COUNTY ROAD 1 0 2.
THIS, UH, PHASE HAS UNDERGONE ALL OF THE REQUIRED APPROVALS.
IT'S, UM, GONE THROUGH INSPECTION, APPROVALS OF ALL THAT.
UM, WE'RE JUST HERE FOR THE COURT TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE 196 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
ARE ALL THESE LOTS THE SAME SIZE? QUARTER ACRE? ABOUT A QUARTER ACRE.
SERVICED BY WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? SENIOR PRECINCT? YEAH, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
MR. KROLL? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
PARDON? MR. PHILLIPS MAKES A SECOND.
[7. John Casey: Discuss/Consider/Approve City of Forney's request to amend the Kaufman County Thoroughfare Map. ]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE CITY FOREIGNS REQUEST TO AMEND THE COLTON COUNTY THIRD FAIR MAP.UH, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE ALLEN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS REQUEST.
UM, IN ABOUT 2018 OR 19, THE CITY OF FORNEY, UM, UPDATED OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN THIS AREA.
UM, WE HIRED AN OUTSIDE, UH, EXTERNAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO BASICALLY PREDICTED THAT WHEN TXDOT WOULD, UM, UPGRADE THE FOUR 60 AND SEVEN 40 CORRIDOR, UM, AREA THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THE MAJORITY OF, THEY WOULD TAKE THAT, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD CHANGE THE T INTERSECTION.
AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU MAY KNOW, UM, SEVEN 40 CURRENTLY, UM, FROM ROCKWALL AND HEATH FLOWS DIRECTLY INTO FORNEY AND THEN FOUR 60 TS INTO IT AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND THAT, THAT CONSULTANT PREDICTED THAT WHEN TX STOP WOULD GO THROUGH AND, UM, REDESIGN SEVEN 40 AND FOUR 60, THAT THE CURVE WOULD FOLLOW THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC, UM, FROM 80, UH, USING FOUR 60 AND GO RIGHT ONTO SEVEN 40.
UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY THEY, UM, THEY PREDICTED THAT THE CURVE WOULD GO ON THAT, UM, THE CITY OF FORNEY ADOPTED THAT, UM, ALIGNMENT IN OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, AND SINCE THAT TIME IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, TT UM, APPROVED THE SCHEMATIC, UM, WHICH BASICALLY FOLLOWS THAT ALIGNMENT.
SO THE, UM, THE REMAINING PIECE IS THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH STILL SHOWS THE OLD, UM, T ALIGNMENT AND THE OLD CONFIGURATION.
SO TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE, WE, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU UPDATE YOUR OKAY.
THOROUGH FAIR PLAN IT BE BASICALLY WITH YOU ABOUT THIS.
NOPE, I KNOW YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT.
BECAUSE WE ORIGINALLY ASKED THE ENGINEERS TO START DRAWING IT THAT WAY ORIGINALLY WHEN WE PASSED THE BOND WAY BACK THEN.
AND WE, THAT'S THE WAY WE WANTED IT.
THE TRAFFIC FLOWING TO GO THAT WAY.
THAT'S BY THE NEW COSTCO, IS IT? NO, THIS'S AT THE OTHER END.
WHERE? OH, T'S END DOWNSTREAM.
IT JUST, IT KEEP THE FLOW GOING TOWARDS T AND ROCK WALL.
BECAUSE THE LESS, THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC COMING RIDGE AND DOWN THAT WAY THAN THERE IS THE OTHER WAY.
SO YOU WANT THE FLAT AND THE FLOW TO GO.
WANT TO GET ALL ON THE SAME PAGE? I GOT IT.
SO ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PHELPS TO APPROVE THIS, TO HAVE A SECOND.
[8. Lorena Diaz: Discuss/Consider/Approve the purchase of a 2026 HAMM Roller for Road & Bridge Precinct 4 utilizing BuyBoard Contract #788-25. ]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF A 2026 HAM ROLLER FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE PRECINCT FOR UTILIZING BUYBOARD CONTRACT 70 88 DASH 25.SO PRECINCT FOUR IS NEEDING A HAM RULER AND UM, THE QUOTE HAS BEEN REVIEWED, IT MEETS SPECIFICATIONS, IT MEETS PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS
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AND I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.PAYING CASH FOR THIS ONE? YES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
MR. MOORE MAKES A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[9. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter into a public hearing. ]
NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS SENATOR IN REGULAR MEETING AND ENTER TO A PUBLIC HEARING.DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MOORE.
AND COMMISSIONER LANE MAKES A SECOND.
[10. Public Hearing: Regarding petition to Texas Commission on Environmental Quality for creation of Kaufman County Municipal Utility District 16, said hearing for Commissioners' Court to hear evidence from Applicant and other interested parties regarding proposed district.]
10, PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING PETITION TO THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR CREATION OF A KAUFFMAN COUNTY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT 16 SAID, HEARING FOR COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO HEAR EVIDENCE FROM APPLICANT AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES REGARDING PROPOSED DISTRICT.OKAY, BRAD, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.
UH, JUST TO GIVE BRIEF RECAP BEFORE YOU HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER OR ANY INTERESTED PARTIES ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM AND ULTIMATELY THE NEXT ONE'S FOLLOWING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IN THE COUNTY IS THAT BEFORE THE TE TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE PETITIONS FOR THE CORRECTION OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS.
THOSE ARE CR CREATED UNDER CHAPTER 54 OF THE TEXAS WATER CODE.
THE WATER CODE SAYS THAT THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKER.
IT'S NOT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT, HOWEVER, TEXAS WATER CODE 54 0 1 61 ALLOWS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO THE COMMISSION TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE DEVELOPER SO THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED RECOMMENDATION AND ALLOWS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO PROVIDE FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS, AND OTHER INFORMATION.
AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS SO YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION SO YOU CAN REACH ANY FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS, AND OTHER EVIDENCE.
AND THAT YOU CAN, IF YOU CHOOSE, PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION JUST SO, UM, YOU'RE AWARE YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT MAKING ANY SPECIFIC FINDINGS.
AND YOU CAN MAKE FINDINGS WITHOUT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU COULD DO EITHER WAR, THE ORDERS Y'ALL HAVE AND SHALL CONCLUDE THE HEARINGS ALLOW FOR THAT.
THE COMMISSION WILL BE GRANTING OR CERTAIN THE PETITIONS, THE GRANTING CRITERIA FOR THEM ARE ESTABLISHED IN TEXAS WATER CODE 54.021.
AND AMONG THOSE, UM, THE COMMISSION WILL BE CONSIDERING IN DETERMINING IF THE PROJECT IS FEASIBLE AND PRACTICAL AND THAT IF IT'S NECESSARY, IT WOULD BENEFIT THE LAND, THE PROPOSED DISTRICT INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT.
THE COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE AVAILABILITY OF COMPARABLE SERVICE FROM OTHER SYSTEMS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER DISTRICTS, MUNICIPALITIES AND REGIONAL AUTHORITIES.
REASONABLENESS AND PROJECTED CONSTRUCTION COST, TAX RATES AND WATER SERVICE RATES, AGAIN OF THAT DISTRICT, WHETHER OR NOT THE DISTRICT AND ITS SYSTEM AND SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT WILL HAVE AN UNREASONABLE EFFECT UPON THE FOLLOWING.
LAND ELEVATION, SUBSISTENCE GROUNDWATER LEVEL WITHIN THE REGION, RECHARGE CAPABILITY OF A GROUNDWATER SOURCE, NATURAL RUNOFF RATES AND DRAINAGE, WATER QUALITY AND TOTAL TAX ASSESSMENTS ON ALL LAND LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
NOW WHILE YOU CAN FIND ANY OTHER FINANCE CONCLUSIONS, BE AWARE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRIMARILY CONSIDERED.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER UNDER LAW.
SO ANY FINANCE, YOU KNOW, CONCLUSIONS YOU'LL HAVE OUTSIDE THAT WOULD BE OF JUST TANGENTIAL OF OF ANY BEARING UPON THE FINAL HEARING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UPON WHAT THE ACTUAL LAW IS? OKAY, THANK YOU BRAD.
MR. WILLS, I JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME FORWARD TODAY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF AMTEC ENERGY, BILL SAVAGE.
HE OWNS APPROXIMATELY 1,856 ACRES, WHICH IS THE AREA THAT THIS DISTRICT IS BEING PROPOSED IN.
WHEN, UH, BILL ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE RANCH, IT WAS IN CRANDALL'S, ETJ, KAUFMAN'S, ETJ, AND ALSO PART OF THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY IN THE CITY LIMITS OF KAUFMAN.
AND BILL RIGHT NOW HAS NO PLANS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
IT'S PROBABLY A SEVEN TO 10 YEAR DEVELOPMENT WINDOW ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT BILL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CAREFUL IN HOW HE'S PLANNED ALL OF HIS PROPERTIES.
HE OWNS A LOT OF RANCHES AROUND TEXAS AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISPOSITION OF SEVERAL.
AND HE'S COME IN AND VERY THOUGHTFULLY HIRED HIGH QUALITY PLANNERS, PLANNED THE PROJECTS OUT AND THEN NEGOTIATED WITH CITIES
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NEARBY.THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I BELIEVE, WILL END UP BEING EITHER IN KAUFMAN OR CRANDALL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT WILL UNFOLD AS THE, AS THE TIME GOES BY.
BUT REGIONAL WATER, REGIONAL SEWER TREATMENT, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE WILL BE DEALING WITH AFTER WE HAVE THE DISTRICT CREATED.
ONCE THE DISTRICT IS CREATED, IT'S A GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH BOTH OF THOSE CITIES AND SEE HOW THAT PROCEEDS.
BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT WHEN WE DO COME UP WITH A PLAN, YOU ALL WILL SEE IT.
AND I THINK THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING YOU WILL ALL SUPPORT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TODAY.
AND YOU'VE BROUGHT US PLANS BEFORE, IN DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE AND YOU'VE ALL BEEN QUALITY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE SPEAKING ON THIS? I AM.
UNLESS WE DO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HERE IF YOU HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS.
AND I WAS GONNA ASK, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS TO US ABOUT THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THINGS THAT, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER.
SO I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK.
UH, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN CONSIDERING THESE WATER DISTRICTS, UH, IS THE AVAILABILITY OF THE EXISTING RESOURCES INSTEAD OF CREATING A WHOLE NEW WATER DISTRICT THAT CREATES TAXES AND BURDENS ON THE PEOPLE THAT BUY INSIDE THESE DISTRICTS.
AND THEN I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UH, THE NEGOTIATION LATER WITH CITIES IS AN ISSUE WITH THERE'S THE CITIES DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON THAT DEBT TO CREATE THAT WHEN THERE'S ALREADY SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
SO WHY IS THE DEVELOPMENT WANTING TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT RESOURCES TO CREATE ANOTHER RESOURCE TO ADD TO OUR OVERWHELMED SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? AND I THINK LET'S BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THESE THINGS.
DOWN IN THE HOUSTON AREA, THERE'S PROBABLY 3000 OF THESE TAXING DISTRICTS.
AND FROM 1971 TO NOW, THAT'S BEEN THE STANDARD OF HOW HOUSTON'S DEVELOPED.
AND WHAT HAS RESULTED IN HOUSTON IS A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL DISCHARGE PERMITS AND NOT REALLY A REGIONAL APPROACH TO BOTH WATER AND SEWER.
IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA, DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN MORE THOUGHTFUL, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON A REGIONAL BASIS TRYING TO WORK WITH CITIES, WATER AUTHORITIES, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CREATE A REGIONAL SOLUTION.
THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN HOW MOST OF OUR LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES IN DENTON COUNTY, COLLIN COUNTY WISE, THOSE KIND OF AREAS, THAT'S HOW THEY'VE DEALT IN REGIONAL SOLUTIONS.
WE HAVEN'T JUST WENT OUT AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT DISCHARGE PERMITS FOR EVERYONE.
THAT'S NOT HOW I'VE APPROACHED IT.
AND IT'S NOT HOW A LOT OF THE LARGER DEVELOPERS HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
AND IN MOST LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, EVEN IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING REGIONALLY, YOU STILL NEED A DISTRICT IN ORDER TO FINANCE THE, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY ULTIMATELY GO TO THE CITY OF CRANDALL OR TO THE CITY OF KAUFMAN OR ANY MAJOR CITY.
THE DISTRICT IS USED TO FINANCE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO THOSE CITIES, DOESN'T END UP BEING A ISLAND.
IT ENDS UP BEING WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES.
AND I SEE THIS PROJECT ULTIMATELY GOING INTO ONE OF THOSE CITIES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S FINANCED BY THE DISTRICT WILL LIKELY GO TO ONE OF THOSE CITIES.
IT WON'T BE A ISLAND DISTRICT THAT'S CREATED ITS OWN CITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE LONG, LONGER THAN I HAVE ON THE CURRENT MUDS THAT WE HAVE.
HAS THAT OCCURRED THOUGH? LIKE THE CITY WILL ABSORB THAT? I KNOW YOU SAID EARLIER WE HAD ONE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE, OR BEFORE YOU'VE SAID THAT EXCUSE I'M ASKING YOU.
SO YOU'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN THE PAST OR I I DON'T KNOW OF ONE THAT'S BEEN ABSORBED BY THE CITY YET BECAUSE ONE, THEY'D HAVE TO EXTINGUISH ALL THEIR DEBT.
I MEAN, AND UH, A LOT OF 'EM, THIS ONE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE LIKE WHAT SALINA DID UP THERE, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HELP THE CITY WITH THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY'LL GO OVER THERE AND HELP THEM DO STORM SEWERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE NOW BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO UPGRADE IT SO THAT THEY CAN USE A SEWER CAPACITY OR A WATER CAPACITY WITH NORTH TEXAS AND COMBINE 'EM ALL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT, AND THEN IF THEY GO INTO THE CITY, THEN THE PEOPLE IN THE MUD OR THE FRESH WATER DISTRICT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH ONE THIS IS, WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE OR WHATEVER THEY DO IT, THEY'LL STILL HAVE A TAX.
THE CITY WILL HAVE A TAX AND THEY'LL HAVE A TAX IN THE MUD DISTRICT UNLESS THEY STAY OUTSIDE THE CITY.
AND I KNOW WITHIN THE SCOPE OF, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT US TO CONSIDER IS, IS THE TAXING THE, THE WHAT COMES OUT OF THE DISTRICT, IF, IS IT GONNA BE COMPARABLE LOING LOCAL, YOU KNOW, WATER, UH, FEES, IT'S GONNA BE LOCAL SEWAGE FEES OR IS IT GONNA BE HIGHER? BECAUSE WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN HERE FROM THESE MUD DISTRICTS AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU NEED TO LOWER OUR TAXES.
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THIS.AND THEY THEN THEY REALIZED AFTER WHAT THEY TALKED TO US, THAT IT'S ALL THE FEES THAT THEY, WHEN THEY BOUGHT INTO THESE DISTRICTS.
WE HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TOO, IS, AND THEN I THINK THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUE.
SO, UH, SO I'LL GO BACK TO JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE.
INTERIOR CITY IN THE COUNTY CRANDALL IN CARAT RANCH, CRANDALL.
THAT PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED AS A TAXING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPER AND I WAS LED, I LED THE NEGOTIATIONS, WE BROUGHT THAT INTO THE CITY OF CRANDALL AND WE CREATED A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THERE.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE CITY LIMITS FROM DAY ONE, BUT ORIGINALLY IT WAS A TAXING DISTRICT THAT WE HAD CREATED PRIOR TO THIS PROCESS BEING WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY.
THIS TYPE OF DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE AND TRIED TO CREATE A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WITH ASSESSMENT AUTHORITY.
AND AT THE TIME WE, WE COULDN'T GET BOTH CITIES ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND WE GAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY AT THE TIME TO, HEY, LET'S NEGOTIATE SOMETHING NOW.
BUT IT WASN'T MATURE ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE TAKING THIS STEP NOW TO CREATE THIS DISTRICT, BUT AS TIME EVOLVES, I BELIEVE THIS WILL END UP BEING A, A DIFFERENT THING THAN WE'RE PROPOSING NOW.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO TO HAVE A GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION TO NEGOTIATE THE WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S MY BELIEF, AND AS LONG AS I'M INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, THIS WILL MOST LIKELY GO INTO ONE OF THE TWO CITIES.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL REQUESTED THEM, TAKE 'EM OUT THERE.
RIGHT? WE HAD TO, TO DO, WE HAD TO DO THAT TO GET THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED AND WE, WE CAME TO THE COMMISSION, WE CAME TO THE JUDGE TOO, AND THE JUDGE WE MET IN THIS ROOM WITH BOTH THE CITIES.
AND AT THE TIME THE CITIES COULDN'T AGREE AND WE WERE IN THREE DIFFERENT BOUNDARIES AND IT JUST, IT WASN'T WORKABLE.
SO WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THIS STEP, THEN WE'LL TAKE THE STEP OF DOING AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE, THEN WE'LL BOTH GO TO KAUFMAN AND TO CRANDALL AND DETERMINE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
BUT IN MY ESTIMATION, WE'LL LIKELY BE IN ONE OR THE OTHER, IF NOT TWO.
I, IT'S NOT IDEAL TO HAVE THE PROPERTY SEPARATED, BUT IT COULD BE THAT WAY IF THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER UTILITY SOLUTION FOR HALF OF IT AND HALF IT, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DO AS GOOD TIME GOES ON AS, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT THIS, THIS LARGE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING WILL BE, THIS WILL BE TWO OR $3 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENDITURE.
AND MR. SAVAGE WILL AUTHORIZE THAT AFTER HE HAS THE ABILITY TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
AND THEY WORKED WELL WITH US BEFORE AND THEY WORKED WELL WITH THE CART RIDING CRANDALL, BUT THEY WORKED TO THE PLACE WHERE THEY COULD AFFORD TO DO THAT YET WITHOUT THE HELP.
AND THAT WAS DID START OUT AS A FRESH WATER DISTRICT OVER THERE YEARS AGO.
AND, AND SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE COMING BEFORE YOU, THERE'LL BE TAXING DISTRICTS AND THEN THERE'S THE ASSESSMENT APPROACH.
AND THOSE ARE JUST TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN FINANCE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS BEFORE BECAUSE NEW CITY HAS THE FUNDS TO FINANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I, AND I DON'T, AND BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ON WHO'S GONNA PAY, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN THAT'S HOW THE FINANCING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL HAPPEN.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO WILL OWN IT? IT'LL LIKELY BE ONE OF THE TWO CITIES IF THE PROJECT GOES INTO THOSE BOUNDARIES.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE HOUSTON MODEL OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IN THE HOUSTON AREA, HOW IT DEVELOPED WAS THESE INDIVIDUAL MUDS.
AND THEN OVER TIME HOUSTON WOULD ANNEX THEM.
BUT THESE DISTRICTS WERE JUST KIND OF OUT ON THEIR OWN AND IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT IN PLANNING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE TAX, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE WON'T RECEIVE TAX FOR THE MUD DISTRICT OR THE FRESHWATER DISTRICT.
WELL, WHEN ANY KINDA LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DISTRICT, WHETHER IT BE A, A TAXING DISTRICT OR YOU GOTTA HAVE COMPETITIVE DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T FINANCE THE, THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF A PROJECT.
YOU CAN'T DELIVER THE QUALITY THAT YOU NEED AS FAR AS AMENITIES, WALKING TRAILS AND AMENITIES, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS GUYS, IS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO PROLONG THIS, WE KNOW THE CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC THAT WATCHES US, I'VE GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS HERE LATELY.
LIKE WHAT DOES THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS CONSIST OF? SO I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
GO RIGHT AHEAD, JUST COVERED, LET EVERYBODY KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER BY LAW, WHAT OUR ATTORNEY SAID EARLIER.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, SUBSTANCE OF THE, THE PROJECT AND, UH,
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UH, ELEVATION, WHICH WHEN YOU DIG INTO THAT, UH, I GUESS IT FALLS UNDER THE GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT PLANS.WHAT KIND OF GROUND COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, WHEN WE, WHAT YOUR, UH, GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS FOR IT? SO I I DID NOT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE BROUGHT OUR ENGINEERS TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU NEED FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE WILL BRING OUR ENGINEERS IN AND ALLOW THEM TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE A CREATION REPORT FILED WITH THE TCQ AND IT'S PROBABLY ON FILE NOW THAT HAS JUST AN HIGH LEVEL PLAN IN THOSE REGARDS.
BUT OUR ENGINEER CAN ANSWER THOSE AND I CAN HAVE THEM HERE AT A SEPARATE TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT TWO OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO CONSIDER IS WHETHER THEY HAVE A GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, ALSO, WHETHER THERE'S A GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION PLAN, IF WELL WATER'S GONNA BE USED IS A SECONDARY RESOURCE.
AND WHAT IS THE RECOVERY, YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY TO RECOVER THAT, ALL THEM THINGS IS THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DONE? UH, ALSO LET'S, LET'S, I'LL KIND OF ANSWER THAT QUESTION A BIT.
A A LOT OF THESE LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, YOU'VE GOT WATER CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE HOUSING AND ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE MEDIANS THAT NEED TO BE WATERED OR OPEN, OPEN GREEN AREAS.
AND IN THOSE REGARDS, WE TRY TO PUT SOME WEALTH SYSTEMS IN FOR THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT USING, YOU KNOW, THE DRINKING WATER THAT EVERYONE HAS.
SO ALMOST ALL OF OUR, OUR LARGE MASTER PLANNING COMMUNITIES HAVE KIND OF TWO COMPONENTS OF, OF WATER.
AND SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE PLANNING.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME HERE, UM, IS ABOUT THE RUNOFF, NATURAL RUNOFF RATES IN THE WAY DISPOSING OF THE WATER.
JUST LIKE THE PROJECT BEFORE, UH, WHEN THEY CAME IN AND SAID THE ONE OUT HERE ON OLA, THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND PUT TWO HOUSES PER LOT, OR NO, YOU'RE NOT.
'CAUSE OUR RULES FOR DEVELOP SERVICES ONE USABLE ACRE SPACE FOR, SO OF COURSE THEY GO THROUGH TCQ AND WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED IS WE SAID NO.
NOW THEY GET TO PUT FOUR HOUSES PER ACRE BECAUSE THEY DO, UH, THE, UH, SEWAGE ON ONSITE FACILITY DEAL.
AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DUMP UP TO SO MANY THOUSANDS GALLONS INTO THE LOCAL SYSTEM, WHICH FLOWS TO, WE KNOW, UH, OUR LOCAL LITTLE CREEK HERE, UH, KINGS CREEK, AND THEN IT COMES TO KEMP.
SO DURING THE, UH, HEAVY RAIN SEASONS AND MY PRECINCT, I'M ON THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY, SO I HAVE THE TURN RIVER ON ONE SIDE, THE LAKE ON THE OTHER.
SO ALL THE WATER FROM TERRELL FOUR, THE, UH, CRANDLE, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIDE OF CRANDLE YOU'RE ON, COMES DOWN TO US, ESPECIALLY DURING HEAVY RAIN.
I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT'S LIKE, HEY, I'VE NEVER HAD WATER IN MY HOUSE IN 20 YEARS.
NOW I'VE WATER IN MY HOUSE 'CAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM.
SO, UH, WONDER OF THE QUESTIONS I'D ASK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER BEEN ASKED IS WHEN YOU DO, WHEN THEY DO THAT RESEARCH STUDY, UH, I, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE DON'T SEE THAT BENEFIT COMING SOUTH WHERE IT'S AFFECTING PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? DO Y'ALL DO FLOOD STUDIES AND HH STUDIES TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU'RE RAISING THE WATER LEVEL IN A FLOOD PLAIN AREA? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? OUR ENGINEERS ARE BETTER TO ANSWER THOSE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BUT IN GENERAL, WE HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE REGULATORY STANDARDS THAT ARE ON ANYBODY WITH US HAVING A DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T EXEMPT US FROM ANY OF THE RULES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISTRICT.
SO IF I WENT OUT AND TRIED TO PLOT THIS IN THE COUNTY AND FOLLOWED ALL OF, ALL OF YOUR RULES AND ALL THE REGULATORY STRUCTURE THAT'S AROUND THAT, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE SAME RULES WITH THE DISTRICT.
THE DISTRICT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
IT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY SPECIAL POWER OR EXEMPTIONS.
SO ANY RULE THAT EXISTS, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
THIS DISTRICT DOESN'T GET US AROUND THOSE.
AND AND THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION AMONG, I'VE HEARD THAT SAID IT, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC WILL SAY, OH, THEY'RE GETTING THIS DISTRICT SO THEY CAN BYPASS RULES.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BYPASS RULES IN REGULATORY SCHEME THAT IS INVOLVED IN ON THE PROPERTY NOW.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ON YOUR SIDE, BUT THEY DO BYPASS OUR RULES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WELL, THEY BYPASS, THEY BYPASS 'EM BY BY NOT COMING TO US.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE DISTRICT AND OUR AREA, THEN THEY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICE AND FOLLOW ALL OF OUR REGULATIONS IF THEY DO IN THE ETJ AND USE THE CITY'S REGULATIONS.
THEY PICK AND, AND YOU CAN'T BLAME 'EM.
YOU, YOU PICK WHICH ONE EVER THE BETTER DEAL.
AND THEY LOOK AND SAY, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO DO IT IN THE CITY THAN IT IS IN THE COUNTY.
SO YOU, YOU PICK AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE IS DO OUR REGULATIONS.
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THAT'S THE REASON.YEARS AGO, AND ME AND THE JUDGE CAME IN THE OFFICE, WE DIDN'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WE DO NOW, AND NOW WE'RE ON 2024 FIRE REGULATIONS TOO.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST ALSO WATER AND, AND ELEVATIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE IT IN 10 YEARS WHEN THEY GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE EVEN MORE STRINGENT THAN THEY ARE NOW.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR WE'RE GONNA GET MORE STRINGENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE OR WE'RE GONNA FLOOD OTHER PEOPLE.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE STREET WITH A FIRE TRUCK.
YOU GOT PEOPLE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES AND THEY BLOCK IT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I THINK ALSO JUST, JUST TO YOUR POINT ON THESE REGULATORY SCHEMES, THE LARGER THE PROJECT GETS, PROBABLY THERE'LL BE MORE STUDIES ON THIS DEAL THAN, THAN THE SMALLER DEALS THAT ARE DONE.
THESE 50, A HUNDRED ACRE DEALS THAT COME IN TO YOU HAVE THIS LEVEL OF WORK ON THE REGULATORY SIDE AND THEN THE LARGER ONES HAVE THIS.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ANY STUDY ON EARTH CIRCULATED TO YOU AS THE PROCESS GOES FORWARD.
AND I THINK THE WORST PART OF IT IS, IS THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED.
THE STATE HAS YOU GUYS COME, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE ADDRESS IS TILL YOU SHOW UP.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE THESE QUESTIONS THAT THEY GIVE US AS CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THE PLAN'S NOT EVEN IN PLACE.
IT'S KINDA LIKE IT SHOULD BE LATER.
LIKE THEY SHOULD DO THE PLAN FIRST AND THEN COME TO US WITH ASKING FOR A PERMIT AFTER SHOWING US WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN LAW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? NO, I'M, I'M GOOD.
ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES SIR.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I'M SORRY, I WASN'T PREPARED TO, TO TALK ON THIS.
I'M DANIEL CAMILLE, I'M THE FIELD MANAGER FOR GASTONIA CURRY.
UH, I CAUGHT IT ON THE MEETING MAYBE A MONTH AGO WHEN Y'ALL DISCUSSED IT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE WERE COMING TODAY TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TOO, IS WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT GROWTH AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THEY'RE PLANNING TO GET THEIR WATER FROM, WHETHER IT BE FROM US, THERE'S THE MAN RIGHT THERE YOU NEED TO TALK TO.
AND I KNOW I SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY A LITTLE BIT THIS MORNING.
WHAT THE CCNS AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH WHOEVER HAS THE CCN.
SO GASTONIA SCURRY, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND AS WE REFERENCE CITY BOUNDARIES, WE HAVE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE NORTH TEXAS AREA THAT PERHAPS ARE IN CITY LIMITS, BUT HAVE A WATER PROVIDER THAT ARE SEPARATE.
EXAMPLE MUSTANG SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT.
MUSTANG SUD SERVES PROBABLY A QUARTER OF SALINA MM-HMM
BUT THE PRO THE PROJECTS ARE BROUGHT IN THE CITY BOUNDARIES BECAUSE WE WANT POLICE SERVICE AND FIRE SERVICE.
BUT THE UTILITY BILL MAY COME FROM YOU GUYS, LIKE IN MUSTANG FOR INSTANCE, IN SALINA, IF YOU GET A, UM, YOUR MONTHLY TRASH BILL COMES YOUR TRASH BILL'S ON MUSTANG SUV'S BILL MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THE SITE.
SO IF GASTONIA SCURRY ENDS UP BEING THE WATER PROVIDER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE SEWER FACILITIES MM-HMM
PERHAPS THE SEWER FACILITIES FINANCE FOR YOU OR FOR THE CITY, BUT THE CITY WANTS TO BUILD A SEWER ALONG WITH YOUR WATER.
THAT'S WAS THE EXAMPLE IN MU IN SOME AREAS OF MUSTANG MM-HMM
AND SINCE YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU CAN CUT THE WATER OFF BUT CAN'T STOP THE SEWER.
IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR WATER BILL, THEY CUT YOUR SEWER TOO.
THERE CAN BE THESE COMPLICATED ARRANGEMENTS.
AND IN THIS SITUATION WITH AS MANY BOUNDARIES AS THIS HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTIES HAS, WE'RE GONNA WANNA REDUCE IT DOWN TO PROBABLY ONE CITY.
AND THE UTILITY PROVIDER MAY BE ONE TWO AND GASTONIA CURRY, IF IT ENDS UP BEING THE WATER PROVIDER AND YOU HAVE THE CCC N FOR A PORTION WHEN WE MAY END UP EXPANDING YOUR CCN FURTHER MM-HMM
OR YOU MAY SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T PROVIDE AND WE GO WITH CRAN OR COFFIN, BUT THAT WILL EVOLVE OVER TIME AS WE DO OUR, OUR PLANNING AND THE PROCESS.
BUT WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
NO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE CARTWRIGHT MAC, UH, WE ACTUALLY SERVICE ALL THE WATER.
WHAT I WAS MORE SAYING IS LIKE WE, WE WOULD, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION EARLY SO WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR MASTER PLANS TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR, FOR SUCH A DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND WE, AND
WE CAME IN AND MET WITH THE JUDGE AND WITH BOTH, BOTH, BOTH CITIES MM-HMM
AT THE TIME THE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO MM-HMM
AND WE JUST COULDN'T GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THEN WE HAD TO JUST TAKE THIS ROUTE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA CREATE OUR OWN GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION
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MM-HMMTHEN WE'LL COME AND DETERMINE WHAT THE PLAN IS.
BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
I MEAN, HAVE TO BUY WATER FROM SOMEBODY.
AND THEN THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY THE UPGRADES.
NO, IT'S MORE OF PLANNING BECAUSE YEAH, WE DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE WATER HERE.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH PLANS RIGHT NOW TO PUT OUR SYSTEM OUT UNTIL 20 50, 20 60.
BUT THE CAPACITY OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IT MAY CHANGE WHAT WE NEED BY 24.
WELL, IT, IT, IT'LL DEFINITELY CHANGE.
BUT THEY'RE TALKING 10 YEARS FROM NOW TOO IS ALL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 11,
[11. Public Hearing: Regarding petition to Texas Commission on Environmental Quality for creation of Grand Meadows Municipal Utility District of Kaufman County, said hearing for Commissioners' Court to hear evidence from Applicant and other interested parties regarding proposed district. ]
PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING PETITION TO TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR CREATION OF GRAND MEADOWS UTILITY USE, UH, UTILITY DISTRICT OF CAMAN COUNTY.SAID HEARING FOR COMMISSIONER SHORT TO HEAR EVIDENCE FROM APPLICANT AND INTERESTED PARTIES REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
GOOD MORNING JUDGE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, KELBY GOLDEN ONYX DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
I'M ALSO HERE WITH TERRY WHEELER.
WE'RE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP TO DEVELOP IT, THIS PROJECT.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON ME, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
I'VE DEVELOPED ABOUT 3,500 LOTS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
ALL SINGLE FAMILY, UM, HIGH-END MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, MOSTLY IN THE CRANDALL AREA.
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT'S 256 ACRES.
UM, WE ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE DALLAS ETJ AND WE OPTED OUT AND WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH CREATING THE DISTRICT, WHICH Y'ALL ARE SEEING.
UM, THE PROJECT IS, UM, WE HAVE TWO KIND OF PUBLIC BUILDERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE KIND OF THE, THE QUALITY OF PROJECT THEY WILL, THAT'LL BE KIND OF A, A STEP ABOVE THE, THE AVERAGE THAT YOU'VE SEEN KIND OF IN THE AREA.
UM, WE ARE, UH, WE DO HAVE A DISCHARGE PERMIT.
IT'LL BE A TYPE ONE AFFLUENT PLANT.
UM, IT'S THE HIGHEST QUALITY STANDARD PERMIT THAT WE CAN LITERALLY DESIGN.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, WITH YOUR PLANNING OFFICE.
WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE VIEW THIS AS A PARTNERSHIP.
WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD COLLABORATIVE, A, UM, EFFORT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, SHANNON AND, AND MONIQUE ON JUST FIGURING OUT NEXT STEPS FOR PLATTING.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE EXCITED, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER.
UM, WE'RE HOPING TO GET GOING PRETTY QUICK, BUT AMENITY CENTER TRAILS, UM, IT'LL BE A, A HIGH END SUBDIVISION.
WHAT'S THE LOCATION? SORRY, THIS IS OFF OF, UH, NEAL ROAD, JUST NORTH OF 5 48, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE MERAKI SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S GONNA BE TWO NE YEAH, IT IS.
UH, THAT, OH MAN, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
PART OF IT'S GONNA BE IN ROCKWALL, RIGHT? PART OF IT WILL BE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY.
HOW MANY HOUSES WILL BE IN ROCKWALL PARK? SAY THAT AGAIN.
HOW MANY HOUSES WILL BE IN ROCKWALL PARK? IT'S ABOUT 30%.
SO YOU'RE TALKING YEAH, GO AHEAD.
ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WE HAVE IS AVAILABILITY.
WHY Y'ALL OPTED OUT OF TAKING DALLAS'S UTILITIES AND GOING ON YOUR OWN.
WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD Y'ALL NOT TAKE DALLAS' STUFF? SO THERE'S NO, UH, WELL JUST AVAILABILITY IS THE MAIN REASON.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A GOOD OPTION FOR WATER.
HIGH POINT ACTUALLY HAS THE CCN ON THIS PROJECT.
SO OUR FIRST STEP WAS LET'S BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH HIGH POINT.
WE WENT AND WORKED OUT A, UH, A STANDARD NON-STANDARD SERVICE CONTRACT WITH HIGH POINT IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UM, THEY NEED REGIONAL FACILITIES AND SO WE'RE HELPING THEM BUILD THOSE REGIONAL FACILITIES TO KIND OF SERVICE THE REST OF THE WATER BASIN.
AND SO WE ARE PROVIDING WATER WITH HIGH POINT.
UM, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT KIRK SAID, UM, FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS CREATE THE DISTRICT.
OUR PLAN A WOULD BE WE WANNA WORK WITH KAUFMAN COUNTY.
Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS TO US FOR THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, YOUR TEAM JUST TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PRELIMINARY PLATTING LOOKS LIKE.
AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG PROCESS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING Y'ALL THE, THE END RESULT OF THE PRODUCT, SO.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M ON ABOUT THIS MONTH.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO MONIQUE ABOUT A LOT ABOUT IT.
THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE DISCHARGE ON THIS ONE'S GOING TO GO TO, UH, THE WEST SIDE.
SO IT'LL COME DOWN THROUGH BY FOUR 60.
THAT, AND AGAIN, IT'S TYPE ONE OF FLIP PLANT EASTPORT.
IT'LL GO DOWN THROUGH THE EASTPORT.
AND I SAID THAT'S JUST WHAT WE NEED MORE WATER DOWN IN EAST FORK, RIGHT? YEP.
IT'LL GET TO TOMMY A LITTLE FASTER.
WELL, MAJORITY, MAJORITY OF MY WATER GOES DOWN KINGS CREEK FROM LL FORNEY.
SO CRANDALL'S GOOD ABOUT PUTTING IT IN EAST FORT, SO IT HELPS ME THERE BECAUSE AT LEAST IT SENDS IT TO WELL IT'S GOING BE IN EAST FORK TOO, TOO.
SO, I MEAN, WHAT? IT'S ALRIGHT.
[12. Judge Allen: Discuss/Approve exiting public hearings and enter back into regular meeting. ]
NUMBER 12.[00:40:01]
EXITING PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK DIRECTOR SESSION.MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[13. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider/Approve potential submission of recommendation, findings, conclusions, or other information to Texas Commission on Environmental Quality regarding petition for creation of proposed Kaufman County Municipal Utility District 16.]
13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER AN APPROVED POTENTIAL, UH, SUBMISSION OF RECOMMENDATIONS, FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS, OR OTHER INFORMATION TO TEXAS QUALITY ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL REGARDING PETITION AND CREATION OF PROPOSED KAUFMAN COUNTY, MIN MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT 16.THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S OUT HERE ON, UH, BUT STARRY ROAD 1 75.
JUDGE, JUST AS A QUICK RECAP, THE ORDER YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AGAIN HAS THOSE TWO STEPS.
AND YOU HAVE YOUR ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOUR FINAL CONCLUSIONS.
WHILE Y'ALL ARE FREE TO DO YOUR DELIBERATIONS, HOWEVER YOU WISH I HAVE, IT MAY BE EASIER TO ANSWER YOUR FINDING CONCLUSIONS TO GO THROUGH THOSE FIRST.
SO THAT AS YOU DISCUSSED THAT, THEN IT MAKES RECENT ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION SIMPLER FOR YOU.
HOWEVER, THAT'S, SO IN THIS, ALL THESE QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'VE COVERED ALL THESE THINGS.
BUT YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE? I THAT WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE WISHING TO FIND A, A FINAL CONCLUSION ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
WELL, WE'RE HERE TO FIND A CONCLUSION.
'CAUSE I, I KNEW ORIGINALLY WHEN I READ THE STATUTE YESTERDAY, IT WAS LIKE IF YOU DO, UH, APPROVE, YOU HAVE TO DO A FINDING.
YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHY NO DO FINDINGS OR NO SIR, UH, OR RECOMMEND THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU CAN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT.
YOU CAN PROVIDE FINES, CONCLUSIONS, OR OTHER EVIDENCE OR NOT.
THEY ARE NOT LINKED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO JUSTIFY BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE THE ONES WITH THE REGULATORY POWER.
YOU ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING YOUR OPINION.
WE'RE EITHER PROVEN OR WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ONE OR THE OTHER.
YOU HAVE NO APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
YOUR ORDER BEFORE YOU IS SIMPLY AN ORDER DECIDING IF THIS COURT'S GOING TO PROVIDE ANY FINDINGS, EVIDENCE FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
AND MY RECOMMENDATION TO Y'ALL WOULD BE TO GO THROUGH THE FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS.
THE, THE WHY BEFORE YOU REACH THAT, UM, ULTIMATE ANSWER.
IT'LL PROBABLY MAKE IT EASIER TO DELIBERATE THAN ULTIMATE ANSWER IF YOU DO IT IN THAT ORDER.
SO FIRST ONE HERE, THEREFORE AFTER CONSIDERATION OF ALL EVIDENCE IN THIS MATTER AND UPON A VOTE IS RECOMMENDED BELOW THE CA COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT HEREBY RECOMMENDS THAT THE PETITION FOR THE CREATION OF THE ABOVE PROPOSED ITY, DISTRICT B ONE, APPROVE TWO DENIED OR THREE RESOLVED BY COMMISSION WITHOUT ANY FORM OF RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL OR DENIAL FROM THE CAMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
FURTHER, THE CA COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT UPON A VOTE RECORDED BELOW ORDERS THE FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS AND OTHER INFORMATION BE RECORDED IN THE ORDER AND PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION DURING THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PETITION.
EXTREMELY WORDY, BUT THEY'RE COVERING ALL BASES HERE.
SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, REGARDING THE AVAILABILITY OF, NOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ONE READING HERE FOR BOTH OF THESE.
OKAY? I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS THING TWICE.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAVE COPIES OF THIS.
I HAVE TWO COPIES OF SOMEBODY NEEDS ONE DOWN ON THAT END END'S.
EVERYBODY GOT, EVERYBODY'S GOT THESE.
I DON'T NEED TO READ EACH ONE.
Y'ALL CAN READ AND WELL, SAD NEWS IS THEY DON'T MEAN A LOT.
WELL, SOME OF THESE ARE WHAT I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT.
SO I WAS ABOUT TO BREAK THIS DOWN, UH, BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE IS TO THE STANDARD PERSON LOOK AT THIS.
LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BY LEGAL DEFINITION? SO I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AI, BUT AI WAS VERY HELPFUL YESTERDAY, UH, AND GIVING ME THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED EARLIER.
SO, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO LEGAL DEFINITIONS UNDER THAT CHAPTER OF WHAT THOSE MEAN.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH HIM.
SO, SO Y'ALL ALL READ THESE, YOU'VE GONE OVER EACH ONE OF THESE TODAY.
MONIQUE HAS SEEN THESE AND, AND EVERYTHING.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, DOUBTS, OR FOR CONSIDERATION THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? THE CAN I, I KNOW I'M TALKING A LOT TODAY, JUDGE.
UM, ONE THING THAT, UH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE, WE'VE DEALT WITH YOU BEFORE, VERY PROFESSIONAL, UH, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS IN GENERAL.
UH, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE'S, KIND OF LIKE, UH, ASKING ABOUT THE DALLAS WATER DEAL IS LIKE, WHY DID THEY OPT OUT? OR WE HAVE THE WATER DISTRICT HERE THAT'S SITTING IN THE ROOMS LIKE THIS FIRST WE HEARD ABOUT.
SO IT'S KINDA LIKE I'M, THE WAY THE STATE HAS THIS STRUCTURED ISN'T YOUR FAULT OR OURS.
IT JUST HAS YOU GUYS SHOWING UP HERE WITH VAGUE, UH, A PETITION AND WE CONSIDER IT AND WE HAVE NO MASTER PLANS.
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OR NO ATTORNEY, UH, DESIGNS.SO IT'S JUST HERE IT IS JUST WHATEVER THAT MAN'S SAYING UP THERE AND WE'RE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION OFF OF THAT.
UH, THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T KNOW GOING FORWARD THAT WE NEED TO LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, YOU NEED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU SHOW UP
WELL, SOME OF THESE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT MAY BE 17 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ANSWERED.
UNTIL WE, WHOEVER'S HERE 17 YEARS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS VERY, UH, FRUSTRATING, BUT, OKAY, SO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COME ON, LET'S MOVE.
YOU CAN SIT AND READ THESE BOXES ALL YOU WANT AND CHECK THEM.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE PECQ SAYS IT'S OKAY.
SO WHAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER 16? THERE'S THREE CHOICES, GUYS.
WHICH, WHICH ONE'S IN YOU GOT APPROVED, DENY OR RESOLVE THE COMMISSION WITHOUT A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL, UH, OR DENIAL BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WELL, I'M GONNA GO AND SINCE EVERYBODY'S SITTING THERE WAITING FOR, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, HERE'S WHAT I, HERE'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THESE.
FOR LAST THREE YEARS, I HAVE NOT SUPPORTED THESE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
ALL THE ONES THAT COME THROUGH HERE, WE SAID NO, I SAID NO TO 'EM BECAUSE, UH, I'M EXPERIENCING MAJOR FLOOD ISSUES DOWNSTREAM.
I REALLY, UH, WHEN YOU CALL THE STATE AND HEY, WE HAVE ALL THESE CREEKS FULL OF DEBRIS, THESE WATERWAYS, YOU'RE ALLOWING THESE DISTRICTS TO DUMP INTO THESE CREEKS, BUT YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE FUNDING.
UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GIVE THEM THE PERMIT, BUT YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT ALL THE BRUSH AND DEBRIS AND THE TRASH THAT'S PLUGGING UP ALL THESE TRIBUTARIES LEADING TO THESE MAIN WATER SOURCES TO DUMP THAT TREATED WATER.
AND THERE'S NO ANSWER FROM THAT FROM THE STATE.
SO I REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THESE NORMALLY.
THAT DON'T MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW MY LEAD, BUT I'M JUST SAYING BEING IN THE SOUTH END ABSORBING ALL THE COUNTIES WATER, IT IS A ISSUE I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON, UH, REPLACING, UH, BRIDGE AND CULVERT STRUCTURES BECAUSE WHAT USED TO HOLD UP DOESN'T ANYMORE.
AND THE MORE WE GROW, THE WORSE IT GETS IN THE SOUTH END.
RANDY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION FOR YOU JUDGE.
IS THIS ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, PROCESS IS AN OPTIONAL PROCESS.
SO IF Y'ALL CHOOSE TO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND NOT SUBMIT ANY FINDINGS BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO SUBMIT ANY FINDINGS FOR, THEN YOU CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE NO ACTION.
SO I MEAN THIS IS ENTIRELY A VOLUNTARY THING.
TEST COMMISSIONER, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS THE FULL ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER.
THIS WAS JUST AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO YOU.
YEAH, BASICALLY WHAT I READ YESTERDAY WAS WE CAN SAY YAY NAY OR SAY WE'RE GOING TO TEACH YOU TO THIS.
WE, WE JUST FIND THAT THERE, WE HAVE NO CONCLUSION WITH THIS, RIGHT? YES.
MONIQUE, IF YOU COME FORWARD, COME TALK TO US.
MONIQUE, GIVE US SOME WISDOM HERE.
I HAVE A THOUGHT
OR THEY'RE DROPPING IN 'EM AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY WHERE WE DON'T, THAT'S CONSIDERED A PUBLIC PLACE.
WHAT INFORMATION CAN WE GET AND CAN WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? CORRECT.
WE'D BE GLAD TO PUT OUR WHOLE CREATION REPORT TO THIS COUNTY.
AND I THINK GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, JUST HOW MUCH REGULATORY STRUCTURE THERE IS, EVEN ON THE DISTRICT CREATION PROCESS.
WHEN YOU READ OUR CREATION REPORT, IT'S PRETTY VOLUMINOUS ANYWAY, THERE'LL BE IN JUST AN OVERALL BUBBLE PLAN, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS IN THERE.
AND SO WE, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL IMMEDIATELY FILE THAT AS SOON AS WE HAVE IT WITH THE COUNTY.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER TO, I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO JUST APPROVE IT PROCESS-WISE TO ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY.
AND THAT WAY AT LEAST, HEY, WE CAME TO THE COUNTY, WE SAID WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL TO APPROVE OR TAKE NO POSITION BUT APPROVE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO DO THAT, WE'LL BE GLAD TO FILE ALL OF OUR INFORMATION AND ANYTIME ANYONE HAS ANY REQUEST, WE DO RESPOND.
MONIQUE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
I JUST WANNA KNOW IF WE CAN LAY OUT WHERE THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY IN THE COUNTY, IT CAN BE AT ANY PUBLIC VENUE, YOU JUST TELL ME WHERE TO SEND IT.
SO I BELIEVE YOU KNOW RIGHT THERE YEAH.
NOT TO YOU SENDING IT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE GET LIKE THIS MUCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO VAGUE.
WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE THAT MUCH.
BUT IF WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF OUR TCEQ, THEN I THINK THAT THE VAGUENESS KIND OF COMES OUT.
'CAUSE WE CAN DIG THROUGH IT IF WE NEED TO.
WELL, AND WE CAN ALSO, WE HAVE A BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN WE GET RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN ALSO DO A, AN APPROVAL BASED UPON WHEN
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YOU GET ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT IT MEETS ALL OF OUR GUIDELINES AND QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS ALL, IT'S A MOOT SUBJECT TO BEGIN WITH.
WELL, AND IT IT'S ALL WATER RELATED.
BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IF WE SAY APPROVE TODAY, TCQ AUTOMATICALLY APPROVE.
SO I SAY PUT IT ON THEM, DO IT BEFORE WE APPROVE.
I I SAY WE HAVE AN OPTION, WE REACH NO CONCLUSION.
AND THEN MAKE THE STATE, STATE THEY'RE THE ONES ISSUING THESE PERMITS.
WELL THEY'RE GONNA ISSUE IT ANYWAY.
WELL IF WE SAY APPROVED, THEN AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.
KNOW THEY'RE STILL GONNA, THEY'RE STILL GONNA ISSUE THE PERMIT.
THEY'RE GONNA ISSUE THE PERMIT.
ANYTHING WE DO WE'LL JUST SEND Y ALL THE ING REPORT FROM MY END OF IT.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A WATER EFFECT FROM YOURS AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE ONE FOR HIS, HIS IS ON TOP OF THE HILL.
IT'S GONNA GO DOWN, IT'S GONNA GO END UP IN THE EAST FORK ON FOUR 60.
MCDONALD, I'M ASSUMING IT GOES DOWN AND HITS GOES ACROSS MCDONALD DOWN THAT WAY AND RIGHT.
AND FOLLOWS AT SEVEN 40 DOWN TO FOUR 60 Y YOU KNOW WHERE YOURS IS GONNA GO.
I KNOW WHERE YOURS ARE GONNA GO.
THE, THE, THE, UH, WHAT'LL HAVE EFFECT ON ME WILL BE ROADS.
YOU KNOW, AND NOBODY MENTIONS THAT.
NOBODY MENTIONS THE TRAFFIC THAT I'M FIXING TO HAVE.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BAND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW MANY HOUSES THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO THROW ANOTHER 1100 IN THE SAME, THE SAME IDENTICAL MIX.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT IN AND ALL THE ROADS THAT I JUST REDID, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA TEAR 'EM UP.
WELL, TO THAT POINT, I, I WOULD MAKE TWO COMMENTS.
COMM HAS GETS A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, FIRST WE'RE WORK, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DO PLATTING AND WHAT THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT TO YOU ALL IS THAT THE INTERNAL ROADS, THE MUD WILL ACTUALLY MAINTAIN AND OPERATE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT WORK INSIDE YOURS.
AND THEN, BUT TO GET TO YOURS, YOU GOTTA GO ACROSS MINE.
AND BUT TO DO A, FOR US TO GO THROUGH PLATING WITH YOU ALL, INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH ANOTHER CITY, WE HAVE TO PERFORM A FROM A THIRD PARTY A A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UH, AND AND THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FROM SHANNON, MONIQUE THAT OUTLINES WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT DETERRING THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT ANSWER, BUT THAT IS A REQUIREMENT IN Y'ALL.
AND THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT IT COMING BACK AND GOING THROUGH OURS.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INSTEAD OF DALLAS OR, OR MCLENDON OR, YEAH.
AND, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL I DO IS SEE YOU TURNING DIRT.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO ME OVER THE YEARS.
'CAUSE ALL MINE'S IN DALLAS, CTJ, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A BULLDOZER OUT THERE AND SOMEBODY'S PUSHING DURING SAID, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? OH, IT'S A NEW DISTRICT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF HARD ON THE LOCAL FOLKS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I MEAN, WHEN IT JUST COMES IN LIKE THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO APPREHENSIVE ABOUT WANTING TO JUST JUMP ON BOARD AND SAY, HEY, GREAT.
HEY, LET'S THROW IN ANOTHER 1100 OR ANOTHER 10,000 HOMES OR HIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIGGER.
YOU KNOW, BUT ISN IN MY AREA, HE IS NOT GONNA AFFECT ME NEAR AS BAD
SO I BROUGHT IT ON THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY I WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKE THE CASE BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE COMING AND I SAID, I WANT YOU TO USE MAN ROAD.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO COMING INTO MY AREA AND BRINGING TRUCKS UP AND DOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT OUT.
BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT'S COMING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD HIS ROAD, WHAT HE'S SAYING.
ALL LINE IS WE REBUILD THE ROAD.
AND I THINK IT'S LIKE PART OF THE PROCESS.
THEY PUT Y'ALL BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE.
I MEAN, AND I JUST END BY SAYING THAT IS OUR APPROACH TO COMING TO YOU GUYS FIRST.
RIGHT? WELL, WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS, BUT I, I SUGGEST THAT WE, WE GO DOWN TO SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MAKE TCQ DECIDE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO SAY APPROVED AND THEY DON'T, THEY CAN SAY THE COUNTY DID THIS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE, IF IT DON'T WORK OUT, DISPROVE ME.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN'T REACH A CENSUS AND FIND ANY CONCLUSIONS IN THE ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING DO.
I KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING TO GO WITH HIS WATER.
I KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING ON HERE.
I CAN ALMOST SAY, LOOK, IT, IT IS OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, ANOTHER ONE, I CAN'T SAY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 10 YEARS.
I THINK WE'VE MELTED THE BUTTER SKEE.
YOU DIDN'T TALK TO AS MUCH AS I
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DID THOUGH, SO I'LL BEAT YOU.OR MAYBE MORE I GET GOING, BUT TERRY GOT ANYTHING TO SAY, KELLY? NO, THAT'S A WISDOM RIGHT HERE.
SO, WHICH ONES WE WANT YOUR ATTORNEYS WANNA SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE I'M HERE.
SO TOMMY'S A NEGATIVE ON ANY, WELL, I'M, I'M A NEGATIVE ON APPROVAL, BUT I'M A POSITIVE ON LETTING TCQ MAKE THE CHOICE.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.
I KNOW, BUT THEY WON'T SAY WE DID IT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THE WAY THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
SO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUTURE INFORMATION, SO, WELL, I SAY PUT IT BACK ON THE STATE THAT'S ISSUING THIS.
SO YES, PUT IT BACK ON THE STATE.
BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY SAYS WATER QUALITY.
MY WHOLE POSITION IS WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND THERE'S SOME THINGS OUTTA CONTROL AND TCEQ CONTROLS EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT WE SAID, YES OR NO, THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY.
BUT THEY LOOK FOR US FOR GUIDANCE IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS COME TO US AND GIVEN US PROJECTIONS AND PLANS AND WHAT IFS, WHAT IFS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION.
I, I THINK, WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT IS NOT A DECISION.
IT'S EITHER, OKAY, WE EITHER HAVE NONE OR SAY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT IT JUST, LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN REASONABLE EFFECT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN UNREASONABLE EFFECT ON ME.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A REASONABLE EFFECT ON ONE THAT I CAN TELL.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE ONE IN MY AREA IS NOT GOING HAVE AN UNREASONABLE EVEN BEFORE IT, YOU KNOW, WATER FLOWS DOWNHILL AND THEY, THEY, THEY DO THE BEST.
WE, WHOEVER THAT DEVELOP IS, BUT THEY HAVE A CHOICE.
SO PICK WHICHEVER Y'ALL PICK IT.
OH, IS IT TWO SEPARATE? WE GOT TWO.
WHICH ONE WE DOING FIRST? 16 FOR KIRK.
WHOSE DISTRICT THAT IN PICK UP? THIS IS DISTRICT 16.
WHICH ONE YOU'LL ME TO DO IT? I'LL DO IT.
I JUST FEEL THAT WAY IN MY HEART.
UH, I DON'T WANNA SIT THERE AND SAY THE DENY AND OR APPROVED APPROVED.
THE TC Q'S GONNA SAY YOU MAKE THAT PHONE CALL TODAY.
IT'S APPROVED, YOU'RE GOING FORWARD.
TCQ LIKES TO PUT IT ON US WITH VAGUE INFORMATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ALLOW TCQ TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF US MAKING THE DECISION WITH THE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THESE PROJECTS.
SO THAT ONLY MEAN IT WON'T GET APPROVED ON THE FIRST PART OF THE, IT SAYS UNDER THE FIRST PAGE AND WHAT, WHAT MARK SAYS UNDER THE FIRST PAGE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT COVER, IT SAYS, UH, BASICALLY WE CAN APPROVE IT, DENY IT, OR RESOLVE BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WITHOUT ANY FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL BY THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISS COURT.
AND THAT PUTS IT ON THE BURDEN OF TCQ TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
THAT'S MY TION MAKING THE MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
EVERYBODY PUT YOUR JOHN HENRY ON THERE.
BECAUSE OF THE FORM OF THAT MOTION, WE DO NEED TO DECIDE UPON ALL THE EVIDENCE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA FIND NO FINDINGS.
YOU NEED TO BE TO CHECK THOSE BOXES.
WE HAVE FINDING, FINDING NO FINDINGS.
YOU NEED TO HAVE VOTE ON THAT.
YOU COULD DO ALL, UH, I WOULD ONLY FINDING, I'D LIKE TO CHECK OFF IS MY WATER DRAINAGE ISSUE.
THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I'D LIKE TO CHECK OFF ON THE SUBJECT.
UNDER RUN NATURAL RUNOFF RATES AND DRAINAGE CONSIDERATIONS AND THE WEATHER THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S THE LAST ONE ON PAGE TWO.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO, WHICH BOX YOU CHECKING THE LAST THREE BOXES? LEMME READ IT.
THAT THE DISTRICT, UH, LET'S DO THE FIRST BOX THAT THE DISTRICT IN SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE AN UNREASONABLE EFFECT.
AND THAT'S ON THE DRAINAGE DOWNSTREAM.
SO, BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA IMPROVE UNREASONABLE? UH, I BRING RECEIPTS ON.
I HAD TO UPGRADE $600,000 WORTH OF BOX COVER.
'CAUSE THE WATER'S GOING OVER THE ROAD.
SO, BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S THERE NOT THERE YET.
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I'M JUST SAYING IT IS A PROBLEM.I SEE IF ALL OF 'EM IS, IS WHAT, WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR WATER ONCE IT'S RELEASED FROM THESE, IT DOES AFFECT US DOWNSTREAM.
I MEAN, IT IS AN ISSUE THAT THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ON, UH, THE TRIBUTARIES THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING THEM TO DUMP THEIR WATER INTO.
SO, SO I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON E THE FIRST BOX ON E THE FIRST BOX IS, UH, I HAVE A SECOND.
ANY OTHER BOXES? BOYS? BEN, THAT'S ON.
THAT WAS ON HIS, THAT WAS ON 16.
WE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.
[14. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider/Approve potential submission of recommendation, findings, conclusions, or other information to Texas Commission on Environmental Quality regarding petition for creation of proposed Grand Meadows Municipal Utility District of Kaufman County]
DISCUSS, CONSIDER AN APPROVED POTENTIAL SUBMISSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS, OR OTHER INFORMATION.THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REGARDING PETITION, CREATION OF THE PROPOSED GRAND MEADOWS UTILITY.
WHAT YOU GOT THERE? WELL, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THEY'RE GOING HAVE AN EFFECT ON ME IS THEY'RE REALLY NOT.
MOST OF IT'S ALL GONNA RUN IN ROCKWALL COUNTY
AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T CHECK BOX E ON THAT ONE EITHER, BUT I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT? I DON'T, I CAN'T CHECK BOX E ON THAT ONE EITHER 'CAUSE IT'S NOT AFFECTING ME DOWNSTREAM.
SO I NEED A MOTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WELL, WHOSE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN UNREASONABLE EFFECT.
SO YOU'RE MAKING A, AN APPROVAL.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU WANT THAT? YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE APPROVING THE PERMIT? YEAH, I'M NOT GOING.
I MEAN, IT IT IS, IS IT? I HAVE A SECOND WHERE IT GOES.
[15. Auditor: Discuss/Consider line item and budget transfers/corrections. ]
OKAY, MS. AUDITOR, DISCUSS CONSIDER LINE ITEM AND BUDGET TRANSFERS.WE HAVE SEVERAL ROUTINE LINE ITEM TRANSFERS, UM, AND BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
WE ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, Y ALL WILL SEE THESE AT THE TIME TO LOOK 'EM OVER.
ANY CORRECTIONS NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
MR. PHE MADE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER CROW.
A MOTION CARRIES MS. ARCHER ONCE AGAIN.
LINE ITEM, UH, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M SORRY.
[16. Auditor: Discuss/Consider claims for payment and/or Financial Information as provided by the County Auditor. ]
FOR PAYMENT THIS WEEK.WE HAVE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE INVOICES, MAINLY MADE UP OF ROAD BONDS AND ROAD EXPENDITURES.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE JURY EXPENDITURES AND WE ASK FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL TO PAY.
Y'ALL ALL SEEN THESE? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BILLS? ANY MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
MR. LAMB MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[Items 17 & 18]
17, DISCUSS AND APPROVE X AND REGULAR MEETING ENTERING EXECUTIVE SESSION.NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
MR. MOORE MAKES THE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
[20. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider/Approve exiting executive session and entering back into the regular session. ]
TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ENTER BACK INTO A REGULAR MEETING.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[21. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider/Approve taking any action resulting from the executive session. ]
AS A RESULT FROM OUR, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, I NEED A MOTION TO GO AHEAD WITH LITIGATION AGAINST BOBCAT FOR DAMAGES TO OUR ROADS.COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A SECOND.
[19. Judge Allen: Discuss/Consider, pursuant to Texas Government Code, Section 551.0725 regarding contract being negotiated, and Section 551.071, consultation with attorney, to consult with attorney James Allison with firm Allison Bass & Magee LLP regarding potential contract to retain firm as outside counsel for services relating to feasibility/adoption of Hotel Occupancy Tax. ]
19.WE WILL PASS ON THAT UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
[22. Adjourn Meeting ]
22.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.