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          THIS WORKSHOP 
          [WORKSHOP - Presentation by Engineering firm, Freese and Nichols, Inc. regarding the new Kaufman County Subdivision Regulations.]
MEETING, A CALL FROM COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT CALLED THE ORDER. 
          IT'S WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH AT NINE 10:05 AM WE'RE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING. 
          AND UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP TO HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM ENGINEERING FROM OPPRESSION, NICHOLS REGARDING THE KAUFMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          SO MONIQUE IS A, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE IN CHARGE, MONIQUE. 
          OOH, SHORTENING CHARGE. 
          SO, UM, UH, FREESE AND NICHOLS, THEY, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR STUFF TOGETHER. 
          UM, THEY'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH US ON THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES IN OUR REGULATIONS AND AS YOU CAN TELL, IT WENT FROM 77 PAGES TO 167 PAGES. 
          UM, THE SMALL PORTION THAT YOU SEE IS A HANDBOOK, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MORE FOR THE PUBLIC ON DOING SMALL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN THE LARGE ONE IS VERY, UM, DETAILED FOR THOSE LARGE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO SUBMIT CON CONSTRUCTION PLANS, GRADING PLANS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE HANDBOOK FOR THE SMALLER DEVELOPER AND THE LARGE ONE FOR THE BIGGER DEVELOPERS. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO LET FREESE AND NICHOLS TELL YOU THE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN DO QUESTIONS AND, UM, I'M GOING TO NEED SOME ANSWERS FROM YOU GUYS IS JUST COMMENTARY ON HOW YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THINGS MOVE ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          ELIANA? POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PAPER COPIES ARE GOING TO WORK. 
          WE DIDN'T SEND ME THERE. 
          I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS OUT COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          WHAT ABOUT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES? I APPRECIATE IT. 
          WELL AT LEAST WE HAVE WATER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE ALL RIGHT, THANKS MAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GONNA MAKE IT OR NOT. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL HAVE A COPY. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'D TO DO IS SORT OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEW SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS I'LL GO THROUGH, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT HERE AND SO I'LL SORT OF JUST FLIP THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PAGES, BUT UM, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED IS TO DO A, UM, SORT OF JUST A QUESTION AND ANSWER AND SO WE CAN HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE HANDLED IN THE COUNTY AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT GOES. 
          OR MAYBE THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND MY NAME IS DANIEL HARRISON. 
          I'M WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. 
          I AM A PLANNER. 
          AND WITH ME TODAY IS ELIANA TULI, ALSO A PLANNER FROM THE FREEZING. 
          NICOLE'S A DALLAS OFFICE. 
          THAT'S WHERE OUR OFFICES ARE AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE SOUTHEAST. 
          AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO HAVE A COPY OF THE AGENDA. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE'LL SPEND THE FIRST 30 MINUTES DOING, LIKE I SAID, IS I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS POWERPOINT. 
          YEAH, WE DO HAVE COPIES, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, SORT OF THAT AGENDA HIGHLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE OVERVIEW AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE DRAFT AND REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTING AND PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS AND THEN MOVING ON TO SORT OF WHAT'S NEXT IN THE PROJECT. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP INTO THE PRESENTATION. 
          YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A PROJECT TIMELINE, UH, BUT I'LL SUMMARIZE THAT FOR YOU. 
          WE STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, IN OCTOBER AND WHAT WE DID WAS A DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. 
          AND SO WE SAT DOWN AND WE HAD INTERVIEWS AND WE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT WERE THE KEY ISSUES IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT WERE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING BOTH ON, UH, THE COUNTY SIDE, BOTH ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE. 
          UH, SO WE CAN GET A LIST OF IDEAS AND COME TO A CONSENSUS ON HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          AND SO THAT'S A DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE SEEN AND THAT'S BEEN BEEN AROUND SINCE WE FINALIZED THAT BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE FIRST PART OF THE PROJECT IS REALLY DRAFTING THAT DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. 
          SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY DRAFTING THE REGULATIONS 
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THEMSELVES. 
          AND THAT DIAGNOSTIC REPORTS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE NOW WE GET TO SEE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE IN DOING AN UPDATE. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE FROM, UH, FROM MARCH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS SUBMITTING A DRAFT, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF, HAVING A WORKSHOP, UH, NOT ONLY STAFF, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OR INVITED TO THOSE MEETINGS. 
          SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A FIRST DRAFT, A SECOND DRAFT, A THIRD DRAFT, AND NOW WE'RE ON OUR FOURTH DRAFT, UH, SUBMITTED TO YOU GUYS. 
          SO IT'S BEEN FAIRLY WELL REFINED AND THIS DRAFT CAN BE ON THE WEBSITE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS. 
          AND SO REALLY TODAY'S A PUBLIC WORKSHOP AND, AND A WORKSHOP WITH YOU TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE DRAFT, WHAT ARE SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMAL TODAY, THEN A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE'RE SEEKING SOME TYPE OF ACTION. 
          UH, THE NEXT SIDE YOU'LL SEE, WE TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND WE SAW A HIGHLIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, MAJOR THINGS IN THE UPDATE IS SORT OF THE OLD PROCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, REALLY A FOUR STEP PROCESS OF COMING, COMING IN. 
          IF I'M GOING TO CREATE A SUBDIVISION, I'M GOING TO COME IN AND DO A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING AND THEN I'M GOING TO SUBMIT MY PLAT WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THEN I'M GOING TO GET MY, MY PLAT APPROVED AND THEN THE PLOTS CAN BE RECORDED. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE WERE SEEING IN THE PROCESS OF SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE A PLAT RECORDED WITH SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BUILT OR IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER WE'VE APPROVED AND RECORDED THE FINAL PLAT. 
          SOMETIMES THERE'S ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF SOMEONE DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, HAS FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY, SOMETIMES A ROAD WILL NOT BE COMPLETED FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, SOME ROAD ISSUES. 
          UH, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IS IN THE PROCESS OF HOW WE APPROVE PLATS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PUBLIC ROADS AND, AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE ARE COMPLETED BEFORE WE APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE THERE'S REALLY TWO PLANNING OPTIONS YOU HAVE, UH, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IS JUST IF YOU'RE REALLY DOING A SIMPLE, SIMPLE PLAT, YOU'RE ALREADY AGAINST AN EXISTING ROAD. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DEDICATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO COME IN FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          YOU CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE FINAL PLAT FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          SO WE THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EXPEDITED PROCESS THAT A LOT OF YOUR, UM, SMALLER PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A FEW LOTS ARE GONNA USE A LAWN AND EXISTING ROAD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN WITH YOUR PLAN, GET THAT APPROVED, COME BACK WITH UH, YOUR FINAL GET THAT APPROVED. 
          WE CAN JUST SKIP STRAIGHT TO THE STRAIGHT TO THE FINAL. 
          SO WE THINK THAT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE FOR SOME PEOPLE WANTING TO DEVELOP. 
          UH, BUT WE DO HAVE FOR OUR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN EIGHT STEP PROCESS WHERE SAME AS LAST TIME YOU COMING IN FOR A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. 
          CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO START THE RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO EVERYONE'S AWARE OF WHAT'S NEEDED, WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UH, YOU HAVE A GREAT STAFF, SO THAT'S A GOOD TIME FOR THEM JUST TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE OWNER TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING. 
          WHAT DOES HELP YOU? SO YOU HAVE A SMOOTH PROCESS GETTING THIS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND RECORDED AT THE COUNTY. 
          UH, CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUYING A PIECE OF LAND, 50 YEARS LATER, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK AT THAT PLAT TO SEE WHERE THE BOUNDARY LINES ARE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW WHEN WE SUBDIVIDE ARE GONNA AFFECT PEOPLE 50 YEARS, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE DO IN A LARGER DEVELOPMENT AND SOMEONE WOULD SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO IT'D BE, UH, REVIEWED AND APPROVED ULTIMATELY BY YOU. 
          AND THEN ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          SO WHAT THAT REALLY OPERATES AS, AS THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO AHEAD WITH PROCEEDING WITH, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING YOUR ROADS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND SO WE WOULD ALSO, THE COUNTY ALSO LOOKS AT CONSTRUCTION PLANS WHEN IF I'M GOING TO BUILD A ROAD, I'D BE SUBMITTING MY CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO YOU AFTER I HAVE MY PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED. 
          I WOULD GO AND I'D BUILD THOSE ROADS IF I WAS A DEVELOPER. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU WOULD COME OUT AND, UH, THE COUNTY WOULD INSPECT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN, UH, I WOULD ASK THE DEVELOPERS SUBMIT A WARRANTY BOND TO SAY THAT, UH, THESE ROADS WILL BE IN GOOD REPAIR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. 
          JUST SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ROADS AREN'T GONNA FALL APART. 
          THEY HAVE BEEN INSPECTED, BUT WARRANTY BONDS FOR ROADS ARE VERY, VERY COMMON AND VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS LAST FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. 
          UH, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A WARRANTY BOND, THAT'S WHEN I'M SUBMITTING MY FINAL PLAT REALLY HAS A RECORD DRAWING. 
          SO I KNOW THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE MY ROAD'S LOCATED AFTER I'VE CONSTRUCTED IT. 
          THE FINAL PLATS, REALLY A GOOD RECORD OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS LOCATED. 
          I DON'T REALLY HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          I DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING TO REVISE THAT SINCE I'M DOING IT AT THIS PART, AFTER I'VE CONSTRUCTED MY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN ONCE THAT IS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK PROCESS, THEN THAT CAN BE RECORDED AT THE COUNTY AND BE, UH, THE OFFICIAL 
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RECORD OF NOW SOMEONE CAN GO EASILY BY A LOT AND THEY KNOW THEY'RE BUYING LOT 12 A BLOCK B, A VERY EASY PROCESS. 
          SO THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, THE NEXT SLIDES REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 19 SECTIONS IN THERE. 
          AND SO JUST REAL QUICK, THERE'S JUST GENERAL PROVISIONS. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT PLANNING APPLIES TO SOME JUST GENERAL GENERAL THINGS. 
          IT'S A VERY SHORT SECTION, A DECISION MAKER AUTHORITY. 
          WE REALLY OUTLINED WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT WHAT AND APPROVING WHAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S IN ONE SECTION, UH, HOW WE PROCESS OUR APPLICATIONS IS SECTION THREE. 
          SECTION FOUR IS OUR PLANNING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE LIST, HERE'S WHAT A PRELIMINARY PLAT IS. 
          HERE'S WHAT A FINAL PLAT IS. 
          HERE'S WHAT IS AMENDING PLAN, HERE'S HOW WE REVISE A PLAT. 
          SO IT'S ALL THE, ALL THE PLANNING REQUIREMENTS, A SECTION FIVE, WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR STANDARDS. 
          UH, SO IT'S WHAT S SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MY STREET STANDARD, WHAT'S MY RIGHT OF WAY WITH THAT I NEED TO NEED TO PLAN FOR IN MY SUBDIVISION. 
          UH, THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR, UH, SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES. 
          SO WE LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, YES, WE TALKED ABOUT A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT BEFORE I SUBMIT MY, UH, YOU KNOW, I, WHILE AS PART OF MY CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, I'LL COME IN FOR A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING WITH STAFF SO WE CAN GO OVER THOSE DOCUMENTS, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, UH, WITH THAT. 
          AND WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE INSPECTION OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, HOW THOSE ARE DONE. 
          A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE WARRANTY BOND, UH, THOSE TYPES OF ELEMENTS. 
          UH, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, TALKS ABOUT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          WE HAVE SOME DESIGN CRITERIA IN THERE. 
          THEIR COURSE MANAGING STORMWATER IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, THE FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION THAT'S REALLY CARRYING OVER, UH, THE CURRENT REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          UH, SOME JUST, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THOSE ARE PROVIDED FOR, UH, THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO WATER AND WASTEWATER, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WATER AND WASTEWATER IS, UH, PROVIDED, UH, COURSE, YOU KNOW, COUNTY APPROVES SEPTIC TANKS AND O S S S. 
          UH, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, MANUFACTURING HOME AND PARK REGULATIONS WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED, UH, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON OR USE OF COUNTY PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS FOR THAT. 
          IF SOMEONE WAS WANTING TO, UH, USE A COUNTY PROPERTY OR COUNTY FACILITY, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A REGULATED LAND USES. 
          AND NOW THESE ARE DIRECTLY FROM STATE LAW ABOUT WHAT COUNTIES CAN REGULATE FOR LAND USES. 
          CAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REGULATION OF THE USE OF LAND, UH, THAT'S REALLY RESTRICTED OR FOR ONLY CITIES AND WITHIN CITY LIMITS. 
          SO, UH, ONLY IN RARE CASES CAN COUNTIES DO, UH, UH, USE REGULATIONS. 
          AND IT'S TYPICALLY JUST WHERE IT'S DEFINED HERE IN THE, UH, HERE IN CHAPTER TWO 32 AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE OR AROUND AROUND A LAKE AND IT'S VERY BRACKETED LEGISLATION. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR USE REGULATIONS THERE. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS TO ADDRESS, UH, TINY HOMES AND TINY HOUSES SINCE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, POPULAR AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS ARE TRYING TO DO THOSE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, SO DIVISION WAIVER, HOW DO WE WAVE A, A STANDARD IF THERE IS SOME TYPE OF HARDSHIP THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          WE DO HAVE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE, A SITE DEVELOPMENT OR AUTHORIZATION. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE LIST ALL OF OUR PERMIT TYPES AND HOW WE, YOU KNOW, PERMIT PERMITS EXPIRE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE HAVE THAT LISTED OUT. 
          UM, ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. 
          UH, WE HAVE A SECTION THERE TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO ACHIEVE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE OPEN SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WHAT TYPE OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES ARE AVAILABLE? UH, WE DO HAVE DEFINITIONS AND THOSE ARE ALL, UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF HYPERLINKS IN YOUR DOCUMENT. 
          SO WHERE WE HAVE A TERM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT NEEDS A DEFINITION. 
          PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON THAT. 
          IT'LL TAKE THEM STRAIGHT TO THE, TO THE DEFINITION. 
          SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DEFINE ALL OUR KEY TERMS IN THERE. 
          WE ALSO ADDED A FREQUENTLY ASKED SECTION WHERE THAT'S GOING TO, UH, TRY TO ANSWER A LOT OF, A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT SOMEONE MAY HAVE. 
          SO IT'S RIGHT AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I'LL SHOW A LITTLE BIT LATER HERE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MOBILE HOME, A MANUFACTURED HOME, A MODULAR HOME, AN RV, A TINY HOME. 
          SO WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR THAT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A MANUFACTURED HOME, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UH, THOSE ARE BUILT TO HUD CODE FEDERAL STANDARDS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A RED LABEL ON THEM. 
          SO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT A MANUFACTURED HOME IS. 
          A MOBILE HOMES BUILT BEFORE 1976. 
          UH, NOT BUILT TO REALLY ANY STANDARDS. 
          SO, UM, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MOBILE HOME AND A MANUFACTURED 
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HOME. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO OUR INDUSTRIALIZED HOMES, THOSE ARE BUILT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS STANDARDS. 
          THEY'LL HAVE A RE A BLUE LABEL ON THEM. 
          SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES AND ASKS, HEY, I HAVE THIS OR THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY CLARIFY AND THEY CAN SEE PICTURES OF HERE. 
          THIS IS WHAT THESE TERMS ACTUALLY MEAN. 
          SO SOME THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THERE JUST TO BE REALLY, UM, UH, ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE READER TO TRY TO FIGURE ALL THIS STUFF OUT THEMSELVES BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST WOULD RATHER TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT THEMSELVES RATHER THAN CALL AN ASS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GREAT TO CALL AN ASK. 
          AND WE PREFER PEOPLE DO THAT BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING, BUT TRY TO GET THEM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OUTLINE OF THE, UM, OF THE DOCUMENT AND SORT OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE HAVE ON HERE IS A, WE, AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THESE, UH, JUST REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE PLANNING TYPES. 
          UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE HERE ON A COUPLE OF OTHER SLIDES THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          UH, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UM, SOME UPDATES TO SECTION SUCH AS STORM WATER, FLOOD DAMAGE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZATION. 
          TALK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ECONOMICS INCENTIVES AND THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE PRELIMINARY PLANTS AND REALLY WE JUST WANT TO THINK OF THOSE AS THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE PROCESS STARTED. 
          AND SO ONCE AGAIN, IF I'M A DEVELOPER, I KNOW I NEED TO HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT IN, IN ENGINEERING AND TRYING TO DEVELOP STUFF. 
          THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST PROCESS THAT I'M GOING TO BRING BEFORE YOU FORMALLY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE STANDARDS. 
          I'M GOING TO MEET WITH STAFF AT A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING TO SORT OF GET THE LAY OF THE LAND. 
          AND THEN ALSO I CAN MEET WITH THEM AS I DRAFT MY PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          AND THEN ONCE I GET THAT READY AND I FEEL LIKE IT MEETS, UH, THE STANDARDS AND, AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, I WILL SUBMIT IT FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO SAY, OKAY, I CAN GO SPEND MONEY NOW TO PLAN MY ROADS OR TO PLAY IN MY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND, UH, NOW I HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU GUYS PREAPPROVE SORT OF WHAT I'M DOING. 
          I STILL HAVE TO OF COURSE MEET ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S MY GREEN LIGHT THAT I CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEND SOME MORE MONEY ON MY ENGINEERING AND MY OTHER, UM, OTHER, UH, CONSULTANTS TRYING TO GET MY SUBDIVISION BUILT. 
          AND THIS THEN, SO ONCE I DO THAT, OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR FINAL PLAT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT'S THE RECORD OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO AND BE RECORDED AT THE COUNTY. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ALL MY NOTES ON THAT. 
          IF I'M GOING TO, UM, FOR INSTANCE HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OR IF I'M GOING TO DEDICATE SOME LAND FOR SOME OPEN SPACE OR IF THERE'S GOING TO BE PRIVATE ROADS, ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE NOTED ON THE FINAL PLAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE RECORDED. 
          AND AS IT COMES TO YOU, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          MY FINAL PLAT HAS TO CONFORM TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT UNLESS I'M DOING ONE OF THOSE SMALLER PLANTS THAT I DON'T NEED ANY INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR WITH THE, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT OR THE FINAL PLAN, I'M SORRY, UH, AN AMENDING PLAT. 
          SOMETIMES IF I NEED TO COME BACK AND TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADJUST SOMETHING ON MY PLAN, I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS AND THE FINAL PLAT PROCESS AGAIN, I CAN JUST AMEND THE PLANT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          UH, I HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. 
          IF I DECIDE I WANT TO, UM, JUST CANCEL PART OF MY PLAN. 
          IF I'M DOING SOMETHING IN, IN PHASES AND LET'S SAY I HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND IT'S A LARGER DEVELOPMENT AND I ONLY WANT FINAL PLAT ONE PART AND I ONLY BUILD PART OF THAT, BUT THEN I WANT TO GO BACK AND SORTA, UH, ADJUST SOMETHING OR JUST CANCEL THE, CANCEL THE PLAT. 
          UH, THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          A ISN'T TYPICALLY USED VERY MUCH. 
          AND WITH OUR NEW PLANNING PROCESS, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING USED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO. 
          SO OF COURSE WE WANT TO HAVE IT IN THERE AS AN OPTION. 
          IF ANYONE CHOSE TO CHOSE TO DO IT, WELL WE'D HAVE MORE OFTEN AS THE REVISION OF A PLANT. 
          SO IF I NEED TO REVISE MY PLANT SOME WAY, UH, YES, I'D COME AND I'D BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IF I'M CREATING SOME MORE LOTS OR, UH, TAKING LOTS AWAY. 
          IF I'M GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE LOT LINES, I REALLY NEED TO COME AND SUBMIT MY REVISED PLAT, UH, TO YOU. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER OPTION I HAVE AS FAR AS MY PLANNING. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS OF COURSE IN THERE. 
          AND SO THIS MATCHES WITH YOUR, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS ADOPTED A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT ARE OUR ROAD TYPES? AND OF COURSE NO ONE, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE WILL BE OF COURSE, BUILDING HIGHWAYS. 
          BUT IF I'M BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE A MINOR ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD, UH, THESE ARE THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WITS THAT I NEED AND SOME GENERAL, UM, PAVING WITS ON THEIR NUMBER OF LANES. 
          UH, WE DO ALLOW FOR, UH, ON A LOCAL ROAD YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WITH, UH, DROPPING THAT DOWN TO 50 FEET IF A CURB AND GUTTER ARE PROVIDED. 
          SO, UM, CAUSE REALLY WE'RE HAVING 
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THAT EXTRA 10 FEET TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THAT DRAINAGE FOR THE PLAZA WENT TO A LOCAL ROAD, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, WHAT WE ALSO HAVE IS A MINIMUM DRIVEWAY SPACING STANDARDS. 
          AND SO WE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH FRONTAGE I HAVE, WHETHER I HAVE, I CAN HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THE, UH, THE LOT OR JUST ONE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO WE HAVE SOME, SOME BASIC, SOME DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'D HAVE IN THERE, UH, FOR OUR PLANT. 
          UH, OTHER, UH, DRIVEWAY SPACING STANDARDS AND, UH, LEAVES WOULD BE ALSO APPLIED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, COVERT PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHEN CAN WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY AFTER AN INTERSECTION OR BEFORE AN INTERSECTION? BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TURNING A CORNER. 
          UH, WE WANT SOME SEPARATION. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, OF COURSE, A DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE, UH, CREATING CONFUSION AND HELPING WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO WE HAVE STANDARDS IN THERE FOR, UH, DRIVEWAY SPACINGS FROM INTERSECTIONS ALSO. 
          UM, DRIVEWAY APPROACHES. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS FOR, UH, WHAT THE APPROACH WITH IS, UH, KURT RADIUSES. 
          SO PEOPLE KNOW, UH, IF I'M DESIGNING THIS AND YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO COME GET MY, UH, COVERT PERMIT FOR WHERE I'M GOING TO PUT MY DRIVEWAY, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THIS AND SEE, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WE NEED TO APPLY AS FAR AS WHERE THAT WOULD BE. 
          UH, WE ALSO, UH, UPDATED, UH, BUILDING SETBACKS FROM THE ROADWAYS. 
          THIS IS JUST MORE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE. 
          UH, WITH, UH, STATE LAW. 
          SO, AND THAT'S BASED UPON A ROADWAY TYPE. 
          SO, UH, SETBACKS ARE GENERALLY GOING TO BE 50 FEET UNLESS WE'RE ON A LOCAL ROAD, WHICH THAT WOULD BE A 25, 25 FEET. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE, WE HAVE SOME, UH, ALSO IN OUR SIDE DIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THINGS LIKE, UH, VISIBILITY TRIANGLES COURSE IF WE'RE AT A CORNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU NEED TO BE SURE IF SOMEONE IS GONNA COME FROM, UM, THE, UH, PERPENDICULAR DIRECTION. 
          UH, JUST SO YOU HAVE VISIBILITY TO SEE THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE AREAS ARE PROVIDED FOR. 
          UH, WE ALSO, UH, MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE, UM, 75 FEET. 
          UH, WE JUST MADE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR ABOUT HOW WE WERE CALCULATING THAT. 
          AND, UH, ALSO, UH, HOW THE BUILDING SETBACK APPLIES TO THAT MINIMUM FRONTAGE THERE. 
          SO, SO JUST SOME GRAPHICS IN THERE SHOWING THAT THIS IS WHERE IF YOU'RE HAVING A BUILDING SETBACK, HERE'S YOUR LINE AND THIS IS REALLY HOW YOU CALCULATE IT. 
          MOVING ON TO, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, TALKING ABOUT UPDATED SECTIONS FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, IT WAS REVIEWED, UH, MEMBERS OF THE TEAM THAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE TODAY IS WE HAVE, UH, STORMWATER ENGINEERS AND OTHER MEMBERS FROM OUR, UH, FROM OUR OFFICE WHO ARE ON HERE LOOKING AT DRAINAGE AND THE OTHER TYPE OF ENGINEERING STANDARDS THAT WE NEED TO ENGINEER TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          AND SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, SECTION IN AN UPDATE THAT UPDATED THAT TO BE SURE THAT, UH, IT WAS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BEST, UH, BEST PRACTICES. 
          UH, SAME WITH THE FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION. 
          UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU HAD THE NEW, UH, NEW COURT ORDER FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS MORE OF JUST MOVING IT INTO THE DOCUMENT AND MAKING SURE IT, IT, UH, WORKED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          UM, AND REALLY ONLY JUST THE ADDING A FORMAL REVIEW PROCESS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PERMITS IS ALL, IS ALL WE'RE DOING. 
          SO ALREADY WORKING WITH SOME GOOD INFORMATION WITH YOUR UPDATE THERE. 
          UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, JUST REALLY INCORPORATED A REVIEW PROCEDURES, UH, DURING, UH, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, THE IS NOT ACCEPTING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OR, UH, MAINTAINING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HAVING ACCESS TO WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITIES. 
          UH, ALSO THERE'S A NEW UPDATED, UH, COURT ORDER AND JUST REALLY INCORPORATING THAT AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THAT JUST, UH, SEAMLESSLY WORKS WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND THE SIDE OF AND REGULATIONS AND THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          UH, SOME SITE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZATION. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF PERMITS THAT YOU GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD PLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, YOUR OSF PERMIT, UH, OUR REGULATION OF LAND USES, UH, WE HAVE SCREENED STANDARDS FOR, UH, AUTOMOTIVE WRECKING AND SALVAGE YARDS. 
          SO YES, THESE, THESE TYPE OF USES WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S FROM, THAT'S FROM STATE LAW ENABLING COUNTIES TO DO THAT. 
          UH, OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT SCREENING APPLIED PLY TO IN THE COUNTY, UH, DEMO, DEMOLITION BUSINESSES, FLEA MARKETS, JUNK YARDS AND RECYCLING BUSINESSES. 
          SO TYPICALLY YOUR BUSINESSES THAT HAVE MORE, I'D SAY 
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UNSIGHTLY, UH, ELEMENTS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE SCREENED. 
          UH, THE STATE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR THAT. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME, UH, ALSO SOME RESTRICTIONS FOR, UH, SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES AND, UH, THOSE ARE CONTINUED ON, UH, AND AS A REGULATED LAND USE, UH, BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT AS I REFER TO AS A SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE ACTUAL TITLE IS IN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TOO. 
          BUT LAND DEVELOPMENTS A LITTLE BIT LESS CAUSE IT'S LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH WE CAN DO AS FAR AS COUNTIES TO REGULATE LAND USES, BUT THE APPROPRIATE PLACES TO KEEP IT HERE IN OUR, IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS CAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WE ALSO TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL INSPECTIONS BY A THIRD PARTY COMPANIES. 
          UH, WHY THE COUNTY CAN'T DO RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS PER SE. 
          UH, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE, ARE INSPECTED BY SOMEBODY, NOT THE COUNTY ITSELF, BUT WE JUST NEED TO, UH, SEE THAT, UH, DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THAT HOME OR INSPECTED. 
          AND, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE ALLOWS THE COUNTIES TO DO. 
          AND BASICALLY THERE'S PLAN THAT IS REQUIRED, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY HAVE, IF I'M BUILDING A HOME, THEN I HAVE TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY THAT I'M DOING THAT. 
          AND THEN I HAVE TO SHOW YOU THAT I WAS INSPECTED AND IT WAS BUILT TO, UH, THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE ON THERE. 
          IF I'M BUILDING A HOME, UH, THERE'S ALSO FOR TINY HOMES. 
          UM, WE HAVE MEETING, UH, IN THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. 
          UH, WE HAVE APPENDIX Q, UH, IN THERE, WHICH WAS BEEN ADDED TO ADDRESS, UH, TINY HOMES THAT SAYS AS FAR AS LIKE HAVING WINDOWS AND ACCESS AND, AND DEFINITION OF WHAT THE LOFT AREA IS AND ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UH, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN INCLUDE IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT'S MEETING OUR INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S UM, BEING DONE WHEN SOMEONE COMES AND DOES THEIR, UH, THREE, UH, THREE CERTIFIED INSPECTIONS. 
          UM, ALSO WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE ENABLES COUNTIES TO DO, IS THE REGULATION OF MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITIES. 
          AND SO WHAT THAT HAS IN STATE LAW IS JUST SAYING THAT THEY'RE MEETING MINIMUM WATER, WASTEWATER STREET REQUIREMENTS, STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, AND UM, ALSO FLOODING DAMAGE PREVENTION. 
          SO THOSE THINGS NEED TO APPLY. 
          UH, IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY PLATTING CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY ALL GONNA OCCUR ON ONE PROPERTY. 
          BUT THE STANDARDS FROM THAT WE CAN APPLY FROM THE STATE. 
          WE ARE APPLYING, UH, HERE IN THESE REGULATIONS. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT OR USE OF OF COUNTY PROPERTY, UH, TALKING ABOUT DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENTS INVOLVING, UH, UH, WORK IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THE COVERT PERMITS. 
          UH, SO SOMEONE WOULD COME AND OF COURSE, IF WE'RE, AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT AND JUST GENERALLY WHEN, WHEN EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL, IT'S, WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          IT'S SORT OF EVERYONE EXPERIENCES IT EVERY DAY. 
          SO YOU SORTA DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT. 
          IT'S LIKE HAVING WATER AT YOUR HOUSE. 
          WE ALL SORT OF TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT IT'S THERE. 
          UM, BUT WHEN WE ALLOW CONSTRUCTION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF SOMEONE'S PUTTING A DRIVEWAY ACROSS, IT'S GONNA INNER FLOW, IT'S GONNA, UH, IT CAN INTERFERE WITH THAT FLOW OF WATER. 
          SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE REGULATE THIS AND WHY WE HAVE A PERMIT PORT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE CORRECTLY. 
          WE DON'T WANT THE WATER TO POOL AND STAND THERE FOREVER. 
          WE WANT THAT, THAT WATER TO FLOW UNDER THE, THROUGH THE CULVERT AND GO ONTO THE NEXT. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE CORRECTLY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT. 
          AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE COUNTY. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT. 
          UH, ALSO, UH, ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. 
          UM, THIS IS AS A PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED COURT ORDER. 
          UH, SO THIS IS NOT, NOT SOMETHING NECESSARILY NEW BUT, BUT WE PUT IT HERE INTO THE, UH, SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS SO YOU CAN KNOW IT'S THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, OFFER TAX ABATEMENTS, UH, OR, UM, FOR AD VALOREM TAXES AND, AND LOOK AT FOR CASE BY CASE TO SEE US. 
          LIKE, IS THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BRINGING JOBS OR SOME TYPE OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, TO THE COUNTY. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OPTIONS THERE FOR THAT AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CARRIED OVER. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST THE NEXT FEW PAGES OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THAT REVIEW CRITERIA ON THERE. 
          AND WE COULD SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON THAT LATER IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT HAS HAS LIKE HOW YOU ABATE TAXES AND HOW YOU DO THAT THROUGH SEVEN YEARS. 
          BUT IT HAS THE DETAIL ALL IN THERE, BUT THERE'S SOME ECONOMIC INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THEN LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS, UM, AND THIS IS ON PAGE 14, BUT SLIDE 27, YOU KNOW, OUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE HOUSING TYPES? AND SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, 
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WE REALLY TRY TO HAVE PICTURES SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE, WHY THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. 
          HOW DO I FIT FIT INTO THIS? UH, OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, EACH TYPE OF PLAT TYPE? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT? FINAL PLAT? YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF SOMEONE WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW, UH, IT'D BE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU ALSO TAKE THESE OUT AND PUT THEM ON THE WEBSITE SO PEOPLE KNOW. 
          UM, WELL MY PLAT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE. 
          UH, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR GETTING A DRIVEWAY COVERT PERMIT? ARE ANY RESIDENTIAL PERMITS REQUIRED IN THE COUNTY? CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE INSPECTIONS AND JUST SHOW THEM, UH, TO THE COUNTY. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE'D JUST REALLY HIGHLIGHT IN THERE. 
          UH, IF YOU FLIP OVER TO PAGE 32, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, TABLES THAT WE PUT IN THERE SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONLY A ONCE A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED. 
          SO WE HAVE A LITTLE CHART FOR THAT SO PEOPLE CAN EASILY SEE, UH, THIS IS WHEN I, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN, UH, THESE ARE THE OTHER CHARTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PROCESS FLOW CHART FOR A COVERT PERMIT. 
          SO THAT REALLY ROUNDS OUT THAT FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, REALLY ROUNDS OUT THE END OF THE FIRST DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          THE OTHER DOCUMENT, UH, THAT WE HAVE ALSO IS THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION HANDBOOK. 
          AND SO THIS DOCUMENTS WHERE ALL THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION LIVES AND IT HAS A LOT OF IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS WHEN YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL BE USING THAT. 
          YOUR ENGINEER LOOKING AT A CONSTRUCTION PLAN WILL BE COMING BACK AND LOOKING AT THIS. 
          BUT UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY USEFUL IS JUST THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION HANDBOOK. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT SMALLER. 
          AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION HANDBOOK IS SAY, OKAY, HERE'S JUST ONE HANDBOOK THAT YOU HAVE FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT AND THE COUNTY AND IT'S HEARING ON THESE, UH, 47, 47 PAGES. 
          AND SO THE FIRST ONE WHEN WE FLIP INTO IT IS THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND PLAT APPLICATION FORM. 
          SO REALLY YOU GET TO SEE ON YOUR FIRST PAGE HERE, HERE'S EVERYTHING THAT YOU COULD DO AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY GOES, UH, HERE'S A BOX, JUST CHECK WHICH ONE YOU'RE DOING. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WAS INFORMATION TO FILL OUT WHO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS. 
          IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE PROCESSING THE APPLICATION, IF I'M THE CONTRACTOR DOING IT, THERE'S A BOX FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND SO I CAN HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION SIGN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CLEAR. 
          WE HAVE ONE UNIVERSAL FORM THAT YOU HAVE TO SIGN TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE A CHECK BOX IN IT. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE MOVE TO IS A CHECKLIST FOR EVERYONE. 
          SO WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN CHECKLIST. 
          SO IF I'M THE APPLICANT, I CAN GO DOWN AND THIS IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED WHEN I HANDED MY APPLICATION. 
          SO I KNOW DID I CHECK ALL THE BOXES ON THIS LIST OF THINGS TO DO? AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE'S ALSO A COLUMN FOR STAFF TO DO THE SAME THING. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN SOMEONE SUBMITS IT, UH, THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION, YES, WE'LL RETURN IT TO THE APPLICANT AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE YOUR, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE MISSING, PLEASE GET IT BACK TO US. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK BACK. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE DIFFERENT CHECKLISTS FOR OUR DIFFERENT APPLICATION TYPES. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED, UH, IN THERE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, SOME FLOW CHARTS AT THE END OF THE APPLICATION HANDBOOK, WHICH, UM, REALLY LAYS OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS PROCESS OF PLAT. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN, THAN SORT OF WHAT WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS TWO SLIDES, UH, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT A NICE DETAILED FLOW CHART THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE AND JUST DOWNLOAD TO SEE, THIS IS WHAT I REALLY HAVE TO DO IF I'M DOING A BIG, UH, WHETHER I'M DOING A BIG SUBDIVISION OR A SMALL SUBDIVISION. 
          SO REALLY ASKING THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO SUBDIVIDE HERE, AM I ADDING INFRASTRUCTURE OR NOT? YES OR NO, I'M NOT. 
          I CAN GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO MY FINAL PLAT. 
          YES. 
          HERE. 
          I JUST GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, CREATING A SUBDIVISION. 
          SO, AND WITH THAT, UM, TO, TO KEEP US ON, KEEP US ON SCHEDULE THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY AN OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING. 
          UM, SORT OF THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE HAVE FROM, FROM TODAY IS, UM, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU RIGHT NOW OF COURSE, TO SEE WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND TOMORROW OR IF YOU, IF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT YOU SAID, OH MAN, I REALLY, REALLY WISH I WOULD'VE THOUGHT OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, YES, WE CAN HAVE, UH, ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TODAY OR ANYTIME THIS WEEK. 
          UH, OUR NEXT STEP REALLY IS TO HAVE A, UM, A 
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PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HERE IN A FEW WEEKS OR MAYBE HERE IN DECEMBER, UH, TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN GO FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          AND OF COURSE WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES. 
          CAUSE LIKE I SAID, TODAY IS MORE, IT'S A WORKSHOP. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE YOUR COMMENTS NOW. 
          WELL I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM, FROM STAFF ABOUT, UH, UH, FINE TUNING SOME ADJUSTMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, MAYBE ADDING A CALENDAR OR SOMETHING FOR SUBMITTAL DEADLINES, JUST TO BE USEFUL. 
          CAUSE NOW THAT WE'RE NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO BE AT 2020, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A NEW CALENDAR THAT HIGHLIGHTS EVERYTHING FOR THE YEAR. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME JUST LIKE I SAID, SOME FINE TUNING AFTER AFTER TODAY. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S REALLY THE NEXT PROCESS. 
          SO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT WITH THANKSGIVING UNTIL PROBABLY IN DECEMBER AND THEN HAVE THIS ADOPTED AND COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY OUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS OR IDEAS. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO SEE IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS OR WHAT YOU'VE COVERED SO FAR. 
          YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          I'LL START IT. 
          UM, SO IF, UH, IF SOMEBODY IS WORKING IN L S UH, GRAYSON JOHNSON COUNTIES, WHICH I THINK ARE SIMILAR COUNTIES TO US IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND SIZE, UH, HOW DIFFERENT IS THIS GOING TO BE FOR THEM? UH, WHEN THEY COME TO KAUFMAN COUNTY AND TRY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY MORE DIFFICULT THAN HOW DIFFERENT IS IT GOING TO BE? HOW DIFFERENT IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS BECAUSE REALLY IN, IN PLANNING, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO, TWO OPTIONS. 
          UH, OPTION A IS, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IF I'M A DEVELOPER, I'M GOING TO SUBMIT MY PRELIMINARY PLAT, GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM YOU, BUILD MY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN FINAL, UH, ONCE IT'S ALL DONE, I'M GOING TO FILE MY FINAL PLAT AND THEN, UH, UH, THEN IT'S RECORDED. 
          THE OTHER REAL OPTION THAT I HAVE IF I'M DOING A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IS TO, UH, SUBMIT MY PRELIMINARY PLAT AND GET THAT APPROVED BY YOU. 
          THEN TURN AROUND AND SUBMIT MY FINAL PLANT TO YOU AND TYPICALLY ISSUE PERFORMANCE BONDS TO MAKE SURE THAT I WILL BUILD THE ROADS. 
          AND IF I GO AWAY, AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS FLAT ON THE GROUND, YOU HAVE THIS FLAT RECORDED, UH, WHO'S ON THE HOOK FOR THIS LAND'S BEEN DEDICATED. 
          WE HAVE ON THE PLAT THAT THE COUNTY IS ACCEPTING THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT REALLY AREN'T THERE YET. 
          UH, BUT THE SECURITY THAT WE HAVE IS TYPICALLY THAT PERFORMANCE BOND AND UM, BUT THEN OF COURSE THE COUNTY DOES HAVE TO GO CALL IN THAT PERFORMANCE BOND AND THEN BUILD THE ROADS AND THE EMPHASIS ON THEMSELVES. 
          GUYS REALLY NOT IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO THAT. 
          AND, AND IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR CITIES TO SO, AND NEITHER OF THE CITIES BECAUSE THE, THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T REALLY BE IN THE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL ROAD CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS. 
          BUT, UH, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT A PROJECT MANAGER AND SO IT'S A HEADACHE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, POLITICAL SUBDIVISION. 
          AND SO WE THINK THIS IS THE CLEAREST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR, LIKE I SAID, IF I'M, IF I'M ALREADY ON A ROAD AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CREATE A FEW LOTS AND WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF OUR SMALLER DEVELOPERS AND THAT'S FINE. 
          IF THE ROAD'S ALREADY THERE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST CREATING A FEW LOTS THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE THERE. 
          UM, BUT YES, IF I'M GOING TO CREATE A HUNDRED LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M GOING TO BUILD SOME ROADS. 
          WELL THEN THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE ROADS. 
          THOSE ROADS ARE GONNA PROBABLY BECOME COUNTY ROADS, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRIVATE ROADS FOREVER. 
          UH, SAME WITH DRAINAGE. 
          SO, SO I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TOO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WILL BE IN OUR SURROUNDING OR OUR PURE COUNTIES. 
          AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND CLEAR FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. 
          HAS PRIEST AND NICHOLS DONE A SUBDIVISION IN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, OR YOU DONE A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES IN RECENT, IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS? YES, WE'RE, UH, WE ARE WORKING IN ROCKWALL COUNTY RIGHT NOW TO HELP THEM WITH, UH, SOME OF, SOME OF THEIR ISSUES. 
          WE'RE IN THE DIAGNOSTIC PHASE. 
          WE'RE, UH, HELPING, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          IT'S AN OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA COUNTY. 
          WE'RE, UH, OKLAHOMA CITY IS, WE'RE DOING THEIR SET DIVISION AND THEY, THEIR COUNTY THAT HAD SONY UP THERE WITH DIFFERENT STATE LAWS. 
          BUT, UH, UH, HELPING PARKER COUNTY OUTRIGHT NOW, UH, BRAZORIA COUNTY OUT, UH, DOWN BY, UM, HOUSTON, PARKER COUNTY, PARKER COUNTY IS AT THE VERY BEGINNING STAGE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE DIAGNOSTIC, UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM. 
          WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THAT, BUT 
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THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, WITH, UM, WELL, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN, OR WHATEVER. 
          IT HAS THIS ENORMOUS ETJ AND THERE ARE SOME THAT REALLY GOES FAR SOUTH. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THERE WAS SOME ROADWAY AND SOME COMPATIBILITY ISSUES ABOUT WHO'S IN CHARGE OF WHAT IN THE ETJ. 
          THERE'S SOME SPECIAL ISSUES OUT IN, IN PARKER COUNTY, BUT WE'RE NOT UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM, BUT WE KEEP, WE DO WORK FOR THEM ON OTHER PROJECTS AND THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH UPDATING THEIR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO, I'M, I'M, I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE, UH, HAD HOUSES BUILT. 
          WE DID, WE'VE HAVE HELPED ME A LOT OF HOUSES OR WE HAVE HOUSES BUILT IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT EXPECTED, WHEREAS I DON'T GET A ELECTRICAL HVHC OR PLUMBING INSPECTION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          SO, UH, UNDER THIS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT THE, THE OWNER OR THE BUILDER OF THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO GET THOSE INSPECTIONS DONE BY QUALIFIED INSPECTOR? CORRECT. 
          UM, AT WHAT POINT WOULD WE SEE THAT INSPECTION ONCE THEY, UM, ONCE THEY, UH, COMPLETE IT AND HAVE IT INSPECTED, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, UH, SEND YOU THE, THE FORM THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET SIGNED BY THE INSPECTOR THAT THE INSPECTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND IT MEETS THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OR INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. 
          BUT THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR US TO GIVE AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT, RIGHT? NO, NO, IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE DONE THOSE, THOSE INSPECTIONS. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE IT AS A LINE ITEM AND THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZATION APPLICATION. 
          SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A CHECKS THE CHECK BOX IN THERE TO NOTIFY YOU AND PROVIDE YOU THE PROOF THAT IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED. 
          SO IT IS ON THE APPLICATION SIDE. 
          IT WOULD BE UP TO MY DEPARTMENT TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE WE GET THAT FILLED OUT, THAT PERMIT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLOSED DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A STATE LAW. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE IT INSPECTED, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, UM, YOU CAN'T DO THE INSPECTIONS YOURSELF AND, AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CHARGE THEM FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE YOU WERE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE IT INSPECTED. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY STATE LAW WOULD SET UP. 
          YOU'RE NOT CHARGING FOR IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING, DOING THE WORK. 
          WE'RE JUST GETTING NOTICED THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          GOT IT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. 
          I'VE, I'VE HEARD OF THE COMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME IN OTHER FIRE MARSHALS ESPECIALLY, THEY GET REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS KIND OF A HAZARD. 
          PEOPLE BUILD THINGS AND THEY RUN ALL THIS LAKE PRE-STUDY AND NOBODY HAS A CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING NECESSARILY. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICIAN MIGHT BE ABLE TO HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND, AND IT GOES BACK TO A A SAFETY ISSUE CAUSE IT'S LIKE, YES, THIS IS, IF IT'S YOUR HOME AND YOU'RE DOING IT THE FIRST TIME, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT, THAT HOME IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED AND SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MOST BANKS AND THE STUFF REQUIRED ANYWAY. 
          SO, WELL WE'RE ALL IN THE PROCESS. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY PROBABLY BEING REQUIRED TO DO IT JUST TO GET FINANCING FOR THE HOUSE THAT'S RAISING. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE THEM MY ANKLE ON THE RICARDO, THEY GET A CONTRACTOR AND THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO APPROVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, SAME, SAME ISSUES. 
          SO IT COMES UP TO SOME KIND OF FINAL INSPECTION OR THE BANK'S NOT GOING TO LOAN MONEY. 
          SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF HELPING OUT THE CONSUMER ANYWAY. 
          WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS DONE AND REQUIRED TO BE DONE AND FARM. 
          SO IT'LL WORK DOWN THE ROAD. 
          OH, PAGE 22 SAID, UH, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO PLAT, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MOBILE HOMES, IS THAT RIGHT? OH YEAH. 
          IF WE'RE DOING A MANUFACTURED HOME HOME COMMUNITY, UM, THOSE COULD JUST BE ALL ON, ON ONE LOT, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE. 
          UM, SO THERE'S NO OVERSIGHT, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS OR ANYTHING IN THAT? NO, NO. 
          THEY STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS AND IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY PLAN. 
          THEY, THEY CAN HAVE THE MOBILE HOME BECAUSE JUST NOT SUBDIVIDED. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEY DO HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE AND THEY DONE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SEPTIC LAWS. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE A ONE ACRE TRACK AND IT SAID NO, CONNIE SACKS ALSO. 
          AND, AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO BE A THROUGH STREET ALL THE WAY? RIGHT. 
          BUT BASICALLY DO, DO A BIG LOOP. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO MAIL ONE ANCHOR FACING TO THE FRONT OF BOND MARKET ROAD OR A COUNTY ROAD OR YOU CAN'T STACK THEM IN THERE CAUSE YOU CAN'T DEAD IN THE ROAD. 
          SO I GOT YOU. 
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WE'VE GOT SOME DATA END ROADS, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THEM LIKE THAT AND THAT'LL END THAT. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ALL OF IT IS 75 FOOT FRONTAGE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          EVERY SINGLE NO MATTER WHERE WHAT, WHEN. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE ACREAGE BEHIND THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE? IF THEY DO THAT, THEY LEAVE. 
          THEY HAVE TO LEAVE A OPENING TO GET THERE. 
          AND DOES THIS PROVIDE SOME, I MEAN, I GUESS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET THERE WITHOUT, WITHOUT UH, YOU KNOW, RATHER WORDS, SOMEBODY JUST COMES, DEVELOPS A FRONT AND THEN THEY SAY, HEY AND WE'LL DO THE BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE WHAT WE'D BE DOING IS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE TAKING A LOOK AT. 
          EVEN IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE, UH, SMALLER PLANTS WHERE I MENTIONED WE WERE JUST SKIPPING STRAIGHT TO THE FINAL, UH, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE OUR, OUR FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT. 
          SO IF, IF, LET'S SAY ON ONE OF THOSE LOTS OF GOING TO, UM, AND LET'S PRETEND I OWN EVERYTHING BEHIND IT. 
          UM, IF I'M GOING TO SWITCH OUT TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE 40 ACRES BEHIND ME AND NOW, AND LET'S PRETEND I HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND, AND FORTUNATELY SEWER AND, OR FROM A CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND I CAN SAY, WELL GOOD, I CAN DO 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS BACK HERE. 
          WELL, I NEED TO TURN IN ONE OF MY 70 FOOT LOTS INTO, I HAVE A 60 FOOT FRONTAGE FOR, UH, UH, ARTERIAL OR FOR A COLLECTOR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY ONE OF MY LOTS. 
          IT'S GOING TO BECOME MY, MY ROAD INTO MY, MY SUBDIVISION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH, THEY SAVED IT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME DEMOLITION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK AT. 
          I MEAN, IT IS, AND THAT'S WHY MOST OF EVERYTHING I'VE LOOKED AT, AND SO DIVISION BY NATURE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. 
          YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT STREETS, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT ROADS, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT DRAINAGE, HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET IN AND OUT. 
          YOU ALSO GOTTA THINK ABOUT HOW'S THE LAND GOING DEVELOP AROUND ME AFTER, AFTER AWHILE. 
          BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE PLANNING TO SORT OF TAKE A LOOK AT THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF DEAD END ROADS OR UH, ACCESS ISSUES, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THE SCHOOL BUSES ARE GOING TO BE GOING DOWN THESE ROADS TO PICK UP KIDS AND DELIVERY AND YEAH, MAYBE IT'S AN HOUR LONG RIDE ON THE, ON THE SCHOOL BUS IF, IF WE'RE, WE'RE FAR OUT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EVEN LONGER IF, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE CONNECTED OR IF WE THINK ABOUT GETTING DELIVERIES OR OTHER ISSUES LIKE THAT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STREETS AND SUBDIVISIONS ARE WELL-PLANNED. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO LAY OUT THOSE FLOW CHARTS AND THOSE PROCESSES. 
          BECAUSE REALLY WE WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MEET A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE DEVELOPING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SMALL DEVELOPER WHO JUST WANTS TO DO A FEW LOTS. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPER, MAYBE IT'S A NATIONAL BRAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. 
          BUT THE THING IS WE GOT TO HAVE A DOCUMENT AND SOME REGULATIONS THAT MEET ALL THEIR NEEDS. 
          AND SO THE PROCESS IS WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME GREAT STAFF HERE THAT CAN HELP THOSE PEOPLE THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR, UH, WAIVERS AND SOME THINGS OUT HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THINGS ARE UNIQUE AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME UNIQUE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA AND, AND THOSE ARE SORT OF DIFFICULT TO, YOU CAN'T PLAN A WHOLE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE CAN PLAN IT TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. 
          AND WE SHOULD, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE PROVIDING HOMES AND JOBS FOR PEOPLE AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS FAR AS ACCOUNTING GOES, THAT THESE THINGS ARE DONE SAFELY. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONE WITH THOUGHT OF ROADS AND DRAINAGE AND THE PROCESS. 
          BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THESE, THESE, UH, FINAL PLATS ARE GOING TO BE RECORDED HERE AT THE COUNTY. 
          AND WHEN ARE THEY EVER GOING TO CHANGE? THEY'RE MOST LIKELY NOT. 
          ONCE WE GET A SINGLE FAMILY PLOT ON THE GROUND, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS. 
          200 YEARS. 
          DOES IT EVER CHANGE? WHAT ABOUT THE ACREAGE THAT PEOPLE DECIDED THAT THEY WANT HER BROTHER AND HER DAUGHTER AND THEIR SISTER AND HOUSE ON THE SAME LAND AND I DON'T WANT SOME DIVIDE. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP BUILDING HOUSING. 
          WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THAT? CAUSE I SENT YOU SOMETHING THERE THAT DAY, ONE THAT WANTS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MIGHT GO UP TO FIVE OUNCES ON THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE FOR I KNOW. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE PUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO, SO 
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GOING BACK TO THE COUNTIES ARE SORT OF LIMITED ON THEIR LAND USE REGULATIONS. 
          SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR MOST CITIES, WHAT THEY'D SAY, HEAR A SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE AND WHAT, WHAT THAT LAND IS SUPPOSED TO, YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THAT. 
          WELL, HERE IN THE COUNTIES WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXCEPT FOR SOME RARE CASES. 
          UM, SO YES, OF COURSE I COULD HAVE MULTIPLE HOMES IF I HAD 20 ACRES, I COULD HAVE MULTIPLE ON THERE. 
          UH, NOW WHERE WE GET SOME OF OUR DEFACTO COUNTY DENSITY REGULATIONS IS WHEN WE GET TO OUR SEPTIC TANKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE GOTTA HAVE, WE GOTTA HAVE THE FIELD AND WE GOT TO HAVE THAT AREA, UH, FOR THAT. 
          SO YES, YOU GOT TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND FOR THAT. 
          BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DENSITY REGULATION THAT WE'RE APPLYING THROUGH ANY TYPE OF ZONING STANDARD. 
          BUT, UM, BUT AS LONG AS IN THAT SITUATION, IF EVERYTHING WAS ON SEPTIC TANKS AND LET'S JUST PRETEND THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, UH, UH, SEWER PROVIDER, UH, YEAH, AS LONG AS THEY CAN HAVE THEIR FIELDS AND, AND GET THEIR PERMITS, THEN THEN THEY'D BE ABLE TO, OH, THAT'S THE ONLY LESSON. 
          WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME BOAT WHERE THERE'S THE SEPTIC AND THAT'S IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF ASKING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING CHANGED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE LAW ALLOWS IT, BUT IT KIND OF, YEAH. 
          GO CAUSE CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO YES, WHEN WE GET TO OUR DENSER STUFF, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN AN ACRE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'D BE, IT'D BE GREAT IF, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, A WATER PROVIDER AND A SEWER PROVIDER BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE OF COURSE TREATED A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT A PLANT OR COMING FROM A PLANT RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF EVERYONE IN THE METROPLEX, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE A WATER PROVIDER AND WE ALL JUST DUG WELLS, I MEAN, THAT WOULD NOT BE VERY GOOD FOR OUR WATER TABLE FOR VERY LONG AND, AND, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE DENSITIES THAT WE NEED, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES. 
          BUT HERE IN THE COUNTIES, AS LONG AS WE HAVE DENSITY THAT ARE LOW DENSITY AND PEOPLE SPREAD OUT, THAT THAT REALLY HELPS US AS FAR AS OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN COME BACK TO TWO THINGS. 
          THEY NEED TO BE IN AN URBAN THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THIS RUBBISH FOR SEWER. 
          IF WE HAVE SEWER SYSTEMS, SEE WE HAVE ALL THESE MUD DISTRICTS AND MUD DISTRICTS AND ESPECIALLY IN MIKE'S, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY START BEING POPPING UP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER KATE'S OVER HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY START THRIVING. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO START. 
          FOR MOST OF THEM, THAT HAPPENED TO BE IN THE CITY'S EAP DAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANYMORE. 
          YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO OR THREE OF THEM AND THEY'RE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S ETJ, BUT WE JUST DID ONE THAT WAS OUT IN OUR COUNTY, BUT IT'S ATTACHED TO THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF THE DAY. 
          SO WE KIND OF WENT WITH THEIR PROGRAM, BUT DO WE HAVE A GUIDELINE? ARE WE GOING TO STILL END UP DOING THE SAME THING THAT WE DID? WE DID IT, WHICH WAS KIND OF A NIGHTMARE. 
          THEN WE KEPT HAVING TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND GIVE THEM SO MANY, BUT YEAH, VARIANCES. 
          SO BEING OUR GUIDELINES, BECAUSE RIGHT HERE IT SAYS 75 FEET. 
          WELL, THAT DOESN'T GIVE US ANYTHING FOR, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION TO COME IN AND SEWER. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE INTO MARION'S CLASSES, JUST UNBELIEVABLE. 
          AND THIS, THIS STACKS, I DON'T HAVE MANY VARIANCES THAT WE GAVE HIM THE LAST ONE, THEN WINDMILL FOR SEVEN FOR THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT 75 EIGHT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 25 FEET OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT A 20 OR 50 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN LESS THAN 75 35 MAYBE THERE WERE 35 PAYMENTS. 
          DENSER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTIES IS SOMETHING EXPERIENCING ACROSS ALL OVER ALL OVER THE STATE AND, AND THE WAY TO MANAGE THAT. 
          THE STATE OF TEXAS WE HAVE, WE ALL LOVE OUR STATE BUT THAT TYPE OF SOMETIMES YES, PROACTIVE, PROACTIVE PLANNING. 
          AND HE PROBABLY, I'M SPEAKING TO THE CHOIR HERE BUT WITH ALL THE NEWS ARTICLES ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES AND THIS LAST LAST SESSION, I MEAN I MEAN YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE ENABLED TO HANDLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE APPROACH THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE IN TEXAS IS WE WILL ALWAYS BE REACTIVE TO DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT COME FROM DENSER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTY. 
          CAUSE CAUSE WE JUST, THE NATURE OF WHO WE ARE BETTER, BETTER, WORSE. 
          WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO PROACTIVELY DO THAT AS A STATE. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IN THE COUNTY YET WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUBURBAN TYPE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE COUNTY WITH THE DENSITY THAT GOES WITH THAT. 
          THAT CREATES A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR US AS FAR AS NOW WE HAVE A DENSE DEVELOPMENT 
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ON A COUNTY ROAD. 
          NOW THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME IMPROVE THIS ROAD AND, AND ADDRESS THAT. 
          YES. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THAT THAT'S SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACED WITH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AS A COUNTY AND ABLE TO, UH, REALLY PROACTIVELY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS UNTIL THE STATE TELLS US BECAUSE CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE CREATURES OF THE STATE. 
          SO WE JUST GET TO TELL, WE JUST GET TO DO WHAT THE STATE TELLS US WE GET TO DO. 
          AND SO WHAT THE STATE HAS SET UP WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICTS OR MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS IS, IS YES, IF I'M A LANDOWNER AND I CAN SET UP A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT AND I CAN PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER OUT THERE, I CAN BASICALLY BE AS DENSE, DENSE AS I NEED BECAUSE OUR, AS A COUNTY, WE ONLY CARE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SEPTIC TANKS ARE ON ENOUGH AND THEY'RE NOT CREATING POLLUTION AND HAZARD AND ALL THAT STUFF'S RUNNING OFF INTO THE CREEK. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE COUNTY'S ADDRESSING. 
          ONCE THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN REMOVED AND YOU CAN HANDLE THAT WITH A SEWER SYSTEM FROM A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. 
          UM, ALL THE COUNTIES ISSUES REALLY GONE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN GO AS HAVE ALL THE DENSITIES YOU WANT. 
          AND SO, BUT I MEAN YOU'VE HAD SOME, SOME, SOME GOOD DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE ROADS AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG THING, YOU KNOW, BUT AS WE'RE SEEING ALL ACROSS THE STATE, PEOPLE LIKE TO DEVELOP IN THE COUNTY, THEY WANT TO BE OUT OF THE CITY. 
          CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A NICE SOLID FEATURE. 
          HEY, YOU DON'T GET TO PAY CITY TAX. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR UNITS. 
          YOU'RE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, UH, TAXES. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT LIKE COMPLETELY SCOT-FREE OF ANYTHING. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE FACING. 
          ALSO. 
          IT'S CREATED SOME ISSUES WITH THE CITIES TOO BECAUSE IN OUR ETJ AND THE E, THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, SOMETIMES IT'S A MILE. 
          IT CAN BE UP TO FIVE MILES, UH, IN THAT LITTLE REALM, UH, WE'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITIES AND THE COUNTIES. 
          ABOUT WHAT YOU DO AND YOU DO. 
          BUT REALLY THAT, THAT'S SETTING UP FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING THIS SPECIAL AREA, CITIES USED TO THINK THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND ANNEX THAT AREA AND YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, OKAY WE NEED A PLAN FOR ROADS OUT HERE AND ALL THIS STUFF AND THE CITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN THE, THAN THE COUNTIES ARE GOING TO HAVE. 
          JUST THINK ABOUT THE LAND AREA AND THEN THE POPULATION, THE TAXES THAT ARE GENERATED, CITIES ARE GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          OF COURSE I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, NO ONE HAS CORPORATE BUDGETS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN, THAN THE COUNTY. 
          SO, BUT IN THE ETJ, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT THE CITIES WERE GOING TO GO EVENTUALLY TAKE THAT OVER. 
          BUT, BUT NOT ANYMORE. 
          YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S NOT, NOT ONLY THE STATE PICKING ON THE, ON THE COUNTIES, IT'S ALSO THE CITIES OF BALL. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ETJ AREA WHERE IT'S ALL LIKE, WELL THE CITIES AREN'T PROBABLY EVER GOING TO ANNEX IT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY DO VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. 
          SO WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTARILY ANNEX BUT THEN ALSO WHO'S GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICES OUT THERE AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS SUSTAINABLE AS FAR AS TAXES GO CAUSE NO ONE WANTS THEIR TAXES TO GO UP. 
          SO WE GOT TO TRY TO FIND SOME BALANCE OF LIKE HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS DEVELOPMENT I GUESS I GUESS SOME A PROBLEM WOULD BE RURAL PART, NOT, I MEAN THE URBAN PART IN SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH LIKE YOU SAID, SILVER. 
          BUT HOW ABOUT THEIR ROADS? I MEAN DON'T THEY NEED TO BE APPROVED SOMEHOW? I MEAN, I MEAN AND TURN RADIUS IN FRONT OF THE FIRE TRUCKS. 
          WAYNE, YOU GOT SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          THE THING OVER 5,000 GALLONS IS AS FAR AS OUR LICENSE WILL LET US GO. 
          ANY OTHER SEWER, WHETHER IT BE A LARGE SEWER PLANT OR WATER PLANT MUST BE PERMITTED TO TCQ. 
          SO THE STATE AND EVERYTHING HAS ALL OF THEIRS AND THEY USUALLY NOTIFY OUR OFFICE TO LET US KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS GOING IN AND WHAT IT IS JUST FOR OUR GENERAL INFORMATION. 
          BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PERMIT THROUGH TC. 
          HOW BIG IS A 5,000 GALLON? 5,000 GALLONS PER DAY? IS THIS BEING, WHAT'S A HOUSE TYPICALLY? BARBIE PARK, MOST OF THE LARGE RV PARKS ARE GOING IN ARE HITTING AROUND THE FOUR THOUSAND THREE THOUSAND GALLON PER DAY SYSTEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO A HOUSE IS FEW HUNDRED GALLONS OVER GALLON. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU COULD ALSO MENTION THE FEEDER ROAD PROVISION THAT WE PUT IN THERE. 
          THAT'S ALSO VERY COOL. 
          WE DID HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE FOR UM, THE IMPROVEMENT OF A FEEDER ROAD AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE GENERAL CONCEPT IS. 
          TAKE FOR INSTANCE, IF I'M GOING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE 300 300 HOMES FOR INSTANCE, AND THE ONLY WAY CARS A DAY INSTEAD OF THREE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN SO THE ROAD'S GOING TO DETERIORATE A COURSE. 
          IT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE QUICKER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR 18 WHEELERS AND ALL OUR 
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CEMENT TRUCKS RUNNING UP. 
          IT ALL CAUSE THERE, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT TO DO, A SUBDIVISION OF THAT SIZE. 
          IT'S QUITE A FEAT OF WORK TO GET ALL THAT DONE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ALL GOING TO GO ON A ROAD THAT WASN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE THAT. 
          AND SO AS WE NEED TO DECIDE, BECAUSE THE COUNTY MAY NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO FIX THAT ROAD AND TO MAKE IT SAFE AND THEN THEY JUST DON'T, I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF MONEY TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC FLOW EITHER. 
          CORRECT ME, I'M ALREADY FACED WITH IT IN THE PROBLEM. 
          AND THE PROBLEM REALLY GETS IRRITATING WHEN IT BECOMES, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE ETJ OF THE CITY AND THE CITY DOESN'T CARE. 
          SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T PUT ANYTHING FOR THAT FEEDER UP BECAUSE IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. 
          SO YOU KNOW, UNLESS THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING WITH ALL THIS RULE STUFF. 
          BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO TO THE RULE, IT'S JUST A, I MEAN, FROM RURAL TO URBAN, IT'S JUST SO MUCH DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S LIKE A FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BRING UP FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE FIRE. 
          BUT THING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE REALLY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO GARDENER AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY SAYS THIS TURNED RACE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          OR THE COUNTY SAYS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD TURNING RANGE. 
          FIRES SHOULDN'T BE BIGGER. 
          OUR WHITE LOAD OR OUR RESTRICTION, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT HERE AND PUT A ROCK ROAD TO MAKE A FIRETRUCK BUT BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND TURN AROUND INSTEAD OF, UH, UH, SAME AT ROAD OR YOU KNOW, OR PAVED ROAD OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO MANY VARIABLES AND THAT'S WHAT WE WENT THROUGH ON THIS LAST ONE AND WE MADE THEM UP AND THEY CONFORMED A LOT. 
          I'M IN THE MOOD, A LOT OF IT, BUT I MEAN STILL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY HAD THE POWER TO ALMOST DO IT IN SOME SENSES. 
          IF THEY WERE ALREADY, IF THEY WERE ALREADY TIED INTO THE SECTION, THEY WOULD HAVE PROBABLY WON. 
          IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT US, THEY COULD HAVE DONE JUST LIKE THE REST OF IT THEY'D BEEN DOING. 
          THEY SAID, HEY, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CITY. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION. 
          YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE AUTHORITY HERE. 
          WELL WE HAVE A CONCEPT IN THERE ABOUT IMPROVING, IMPROVING A FEEDER ROAD UP TO UP TO 2,500, 2,500. 
          UM, CAUSE WHAT WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IS TO SAY IF WE HAVE SOME SMALL COUNTY ROAD THAT IS COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF HANDLING THE IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, AFTER DOING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SAY, OKAY, NOW THERE'S 5,000 CARS ON A DAY. 
          THERE USED TO BE 50 CARS HERE ON A DAY. 
          WHAT'S YOUR PROPORTIONAL IMPACT ON THAT? BECAUSE THE QUESTION WE'D HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AS, AS COUNTY IS LIKE, ARE THERE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES TO SERVE, SERVE THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE, THESE ROADS ARE COMPLETELY, UH, INADEQUATE, UH, FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THAT DEVELOPMENT TO, TO, TO CONTINUE ON THERE OR THAT'S JUSTIFICATION VERSE TO DENY A PLAT. 
          YES. 
          TO START TAKING A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES ON HERE. 
          UH, THE OPTION WOULD BE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO WHICH WOULD BE, UH, UH, ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THEIR IMPACT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO SAY, THIS ROAD YOU'RE CREATING 90% OF THE NEW TRAFFIC ON THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE THIS ROAD. 
          THERE'S, UH, A RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP IMPROVE THIS ROAD ADJACENT TO YOUR, UH, SUBDIVISION ON THERE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE TAKE A TAKE A LOOK AT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO LIKE TO PROCEED MOVING FORWARD? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT, MAYBE I'M TAKING IT TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE THIS NEXT TIME AROUND ABOUT, UH, SEEING IF WE CAN GET THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE IMPACT FEES LIKE CITIES DO. 
          I'VE HAD SEVERAL POGROM PEOPLE BRING THAT UP TO ME BECAUSE THEIR COUNTY ROADS HAVE BEEN SEVERELY DAMAGED FROM DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THEM FIX IT. 
          NO, RIGHT. 
          NOT TAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, SUING THEM OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AHEAD OF TIME, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH US TALKING TO THE ENTIRE STATE REP ABOUT, SEE IF HE CAN HELP US GET THAT PUSHED THROUGH BECAUSE THAT ANYONE DONE THAT YOU CAN'T DO, YOU CAN'T DO IMPACT FEES OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. 
          YOU CAN DO, UH, FOR CITIES. 
          CAUSE WE ALSO DO IMPACT FEES IS UH, NOT MY GROUP OF THE GROUP NEXT TO US. 
          UM, AND WE HELP THEM WITH UNDERSTANDING THE LAND USE AND THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS. 
          BUT YOU CAN DO WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES IN THE ETJ AND OUTSIDE. 
          UH, IT'S ONLY ROADWAY IMPACT FEES THAT ARE LIMITED FOR CITIES INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. 
          SO, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S CHAPTER THREE, 95. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE 
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AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR COUNTIES TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SIMPLE ADJUSTMENT TO IT BECAUSE AS WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF OUR CLIMATE OF DEVELOPMENT SORT OF BEING REACTIVE TO IT, UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE ROADS AREN'T REALLY DESIGNED TO HANDLE ALL THAT TRAFFIC. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY BAD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE. 
          AND OF COURSE THE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE HERE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THAT ROAD THAT WAY EITHER. 
          SO UNLESS WE DECIDE AS A COUNTY TO RAISE ALL OUR TAXES AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER VERY WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR EVERYONE CURRENTLY LIVING HERE TO PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE MOVING IN. 
          UM, THE IMPACT FEE IS DEFINITELY ONE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. 
          DEFINITELY A POLITICAL ISSUE DEPENDING ON HOW PEOPLE, PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT IF YOU BOIL IT DOWN TO IS HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR A ROAD? BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, I THINK PEOPLE FORGET THAT WHEN WE HEAR IT'S THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR THE CITY GOVERNMENT, IT'S REALLY JUST PEOPLE HERE, NORMAL PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD THESE ROADS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY US. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND BIGGEST ARGUMENT MEN WITH THEM IN, IN, I'VE BEEN PRETTY FORTUNATE. 
          MOST OF, MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE STARTED HELPING ME. 
          BUT THE UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, I AIN'T GOING TO SAY YOUR HOME. 
          I MEAN, CAUSE THIS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE FIXED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOME OF THEM, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY SAID. 
          WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THIS ROAD PART? NO, I'M NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM NOW AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE YOUNG LADY OVER WHERE IT CAN TEST, DO IT REAL QUICK CAUSE SHE LIVES ON ONE OF THEM THAT THE DEVELOPMENT BELT ON AND I'M FIXED IT FOR THREE YEARS. 
          FINALLY THEY PUT ASPHALT IN, BUT THEY HAD, THEY HAD TO PAY ME MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MARTIN DONATE MONEY, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN FORCE THE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT STALE IF WE HAD SOMETHING WITH TEETH IN IT, WHICH OUR LEGISLATORS, WHICH YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL TIMES, INCLUDING OUR SENATOR THAT WAS ON THE, ON THE HIGHWAY ROAD, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, COMMITTEE. 
          AND NOW HE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS AND DIDN'T HELP US. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S HARD TO GET THE LEGISLATOR THE MO. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE I THINK HOPEFULLY THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE A SOLUTION TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN, IT'S IN EVERYONE'S BENEFIT. 
          LIKE I SAID THAT THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES CAUSE CAUSE THEY WANT NICE ROADS, THEY WANT THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO SUCCEED, THEY WANT THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BE HAPPY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK AT THEIR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS AND SORT OF SEE WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          AND SO THEY WANT THEIR STUFF TO BE NICE. 
          AND OF COURSE EVERYONE CURRENTLY LIVING HERE WANTS THE ROADS TO BE NICE. 
          BUT THE ISSUE IS HOW DO WE AFFORD IT AND STAY RESPONSIBLE ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR TAXES. 
          CAUSE JUST PRESENT TAXES ISN'T THE ANSWER. 
          BUT THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE ONE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE REACTIVE THINGS THAT OUR LEGISLATURE COULD DO TO HELP THAT. 
          BUT, BUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THE DANCES TO CATCH UP TO THE, TO THE ROAD. 
          THEY MIGHT DEVELOP THE DEVELOPMENT, IT MIGHT INCREASE OUR CAPITAL MONEY FOR, FROM THE APPRAISALS. 
          BUT IT TAKES YEARS FOR US TO CATCH UP TO THAT. 
          I MEAN IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          THEN WE DID A BUNDLED LICENSE FOR A ROAD TO HELP US GET A KICKSTART ON THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TAXES YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT HOME VERSUS WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, IT WAS GREAT MAYBE 50 YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT IN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY ROADS WERE REALLY, REALLY COUNTY ROADS AND, BUT WHEN WE GET TO OUR DENSER DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED THE SALES TAX FROM BUSINESSES AND ENTITIES, WHICH WE DON'T GET, WHICH YOU DON'T EXACTLY. 
          IT'S RESOURCES IN THE AREA. 
          BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND THAT'S READING THEM. 
          THAT'S HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME KIND OF SOMETHING. 
          AND SO WE THINK SOME OF THE WAYS WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT IS AS IN OUR PROCESS ABOUT HOW COME SPECIAL PULMONARY PLAT BUILD IT. 
          LET US GO OUT AND INSPECT IT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE FINAL PLAT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DONE THAT INSPECTION. 
          WE HAVE A WARRANTY BOND CAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALL DONE WELL AND MEETS OUR, MEETS OUR STANDARDS HERE IN THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT YES, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING DETERIORATES. 
          BUT WE CAN TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA LAST AND BE A GOOD QUALITY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO IT'S GONNA UH, WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF VALUE OUT OF THAT AS WE ACCEPTED INTO THE, INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM. 
          BECAUSE THE REALITY IS YOU'RE TAUGHT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU HAVE 
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THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER IS RARELY THE PERSON WHO SEES THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH FRUITION. 
          SO ORIGINAL DEVELOPER DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE A LOT OF INCENTIVE TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE, ONCE HE SELLS AND HE'S OUT, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. 
          SO DANIEL, I HAVE THREE SECTIONS THAT I WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY ASK THEM ABOUT AND SEE WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE. 
          THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD. 
          MONIQUE AND I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING YESTERDAY. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IS PAGE ONE OH EIGHT FOR CULVERTS. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANGUAGE MET, UH, WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED AND WE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE FROM VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS AND YOU'RE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE OKAY WITH THE PROCESS AND THAT THAT FITS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE IN A BUNCH OF YOUR PRECINCTS, IF NOT EVERYONE. 
          UH, THE TOP PART IS ALL REAL GOOD. 
          IT'S SECTION F WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC NUISANCE. 
          YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL GONNA BE ABOUT OUR FACILITY AND WILL TO ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THE CULVERTS. 
          SO PUBLIC NUISANCE IS REALLY MORE DESIGNED IF SOMEONE'S PUTTING DEBRIS OR SOME TYPE OF OBJECT INTO THE CULVERT AREA. 
          UM, JUST FOR YOUR STANDARD COVERT THAT'S MAYBE NOT FLOWING APPROPRIATELY OR NOT BEEN INSTALLED THEM A PERMANENT SYSTEM THAT'LL JUST BE A REMOVAL BECAUSE IT'S IMPROPERLY PLACED. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE AN ACTUAL NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROCESS. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THE COMMISSIONER WOULD JUST GO OUT AND TAKE IT OUT? THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT ALREADY AND WE HAD A GUY THAT KEPT FILLING IT IN. 
          HE GOES, HE DIDN'T LIKE IT AND WE KEPT, WE'RE MOVING IN MY HEART HARD TIME. 
          AND I THINK, UH, UM, WALTER AND WALTER HAD A LOT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, ANYWAY, WE FINALLY GOT IT STRAIGHT. 
          UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PUBLIC NEWS AND YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING IN THIS ONE, IT DOES SET THEM ALL AT THE SAME HEIGHT, THE SAME LEVEL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO MOUND SINCE IT'S THERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ACTUALLY RESPOND TO IT. 
          I ACTUALLY TOOK ONE OUT ONE DAY AND GOT TO PUT IT IN AND I'LL TAKE IT OUT. 
          REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT COUNTIES. 
          I KNOW DANIEL HAS DONE RESEARCH AS WELL. 
          COLLIN COUNTY HAS A PRETTY FAIRLY USEFUL SYSTEM IN THE WAY THAT THEY DO IT. 
          THEY JUST PROVIDE A NOTICE AND I THINK IT'S A FIRST NOTICE. 
          AND IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEY REMOVE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'VE HAD LITTLE TO NO ISSUE WITH THEIR PROCESS AND THEY'VE DONE THAT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, MONIQUE, DID THEY SAY AT LEAST MAYBE FIVE YEARS? IT'S BEEN AWHILE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY GIVE HIM NOTICE FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'VE NOTICED WHEN I TOOK HIS OUT, PULL IT OUT. 
          WELL AND OF COURSE THE COMMISSIONER WOULD BE THE ONE WHO'S ACTUALLY MAKING THAT DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO DO THE REMOVAL. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA USE COMMON SENSE AND, AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND SOME OF THEM, THEY KNOW YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW THIS REVIEWS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WELL THE WAY WE DO IT NOW SEEMS TO WORK. 
          I MEAN, THEY COME IN AND GET THE PERMIT AUDIT TO OUR OFFICE. 
          WE SEND OUR ROAD SUPERVISOR OUT TO MEET WITH THEM AND TELL THEM THE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND THEN WE HANDLE IT. 
          EACH OF US HANDLE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK, WELL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. 
          I WOULDN'T TELL THEM WHAT'S ON WHICH OFFICE THIS ARE THEY GOING INTO TO GET THE PERMIT OR YOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'RE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PERMIT FROM US FILL IT OUT, COMPLETED. 
          UM, WE TAKE THE PAYMENT AND THEN WE FORWARD THAT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          THEN THEIR FOREMAN GOES OUT. 
          UM, THE WHOLE CONTEXT, THE HOMEOWNER GOES OUT WHEN IT'S PUT IN AND DOES THE INSPECTION SIGNED OFF ON IT. 
          AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WILL SEND US A COMPLETED CORPORATE PERMIT BACK WITH A SIGNATURE. 
          SO WE KNOW IT WAS INSPECTED AND IT WAS APPROVED AND THEN WE ARCHIVED BACK. 
          WE DO THE INSTALL OURSELVES ARE PRETTY SAME TO YOU? IT'S NOT, I KNOW PRECINCT FORD DOES NOT DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE PROCESS IS THE SAME FOR THE COBRA PERMIT. 
           TWO AND TWO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I HAVE TOO 
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MANY TO MESS WITH EVERY DAY. 
          AND I THINK ANOTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY TO GO OUT AND TELL HIM WHAT KIND OF COVERT TO PUT, OR DO WE NOT WANT IT? NO, YOU'RE NOT ALONE. 
          WE HAVE A STANDARD SIZE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WON'T GO OUT BECAUSE THESE ARE SO DIFFERENT IN THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE A GULLY FOR A DITCH VERSUS JUST A DITCH. 
          SO YEAH, I MEAN THE HIGHER THE ROAD, THE BETTER OFF. 
          IT ISN'T THE KENNEDY CENTER, THERE'S NO STORMS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT KEEPS THE WATER OFF THE ROAD. 
          IT MAKES IT LAST LONG. 
          BUT UH, SO THE NEXT SECTION WE HAD A QUESTION ON FOR YOU GUYS WAS PAGE ONE 19 AND IT INVOLVES THE CONCEPT OF A SUBDIVISION WAIVER OR A VARIANCE PROCESS BEFORE THE VARIANCE IS WRITTEN IN OUR OLD FIRE. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS FOR GRANTING OF AREA. 
          SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO YOU EVERY TIME, SUPPORT, ALLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, TO GO AHEAD AND GRANT THOSE VARIANCES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALSO. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          THEN THEY CAN APPEAL IT TO US. 
          WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE DANIEL SOME MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT AS WELL AS MONIQUE'S BEEN LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT OF POTENTIALLY USING A DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT COMMITTEE AND THEN HAVING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DESIGNATE THEM THE ABILITY TO GRANT VARIANCES. 
          AND I WANTED TO GET Y'ALLS IMPRESSIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKED THAT OR NOT. 
          SOME COUNTIES USE THAT IN THIS AREA, ALMOST LIKE A P AND Z TYPE BOARD WHERE THEY'RE REFERRING ALL CUTTING APPLICATIONS TO THEM AND THEY ALSO DO IT AS AN OPEN MEETING AND THEN NOTICE IT. 
          UM, YOU CAN STRUCTURE THEM IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT'S JUST A CONCEPT THAT WE WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT. 
          IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, UM, THE PROCESS THAT DANIEL'S WRITTEN WILL WORK FINE. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU DO LIKE IT, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO CARRY THAT IDEA INTO OUR ONSITE SEWER VARIANCES AND THEN ALSO OUR FLOOD AND FIRE CODE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL THOSE ORDERS IN ONE. 
          THE MORE BILLY, THEY HAVE THE CENTER LATER TO GO ON, ALMOST NEED THAT PROCESS. 
          KAREN AND THEN THE COMMITTEE INSTEAD OF BRINGING EVERY SINGLE PLANT, EVERY SINGLE THING TO THE COURT FOR THIS APPEAL PARTS WOULD BE MORE IN OUR LEVEL THEN APPROVING ALL OF THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, WE THEN, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          COMMITTEE OR WHO THEY CHOOSE TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WILL BE THOSE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH US AND WILL STILL COME BEFORE THE COURT ON, YOU KNOW, WELL THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR TAKE THAT AWAY. 
          JUST SORT OF A, SOME OF THESE LITTLE MINOR THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY OUR IMPROVES. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PLANTED BACK IN 1960 BUT FORMALITY MAKES US COME HERE, YOU KNOW? AND SO YEAH, WE CAN ELIMINATE THOSE TYPES OF SMALL, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE FOR JUST THE NORMAL PLANNING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, THEY WOULD REVIEW ALL THE PLATS AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO YOU WHEN IT'S DONE. 
          SAVES YOU GUYS TIME TO DO OTHER THINGS. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO GO THAT WAY. 
          AND IF YOU DO, WE NEED TO INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR RANKS. 
          YEAH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION. 
          DO YOU LIKE IT FOR OH SORRY. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, FOR THE SUBDIVISION WAIVER OR DO YOU LIKE IT ALSO FOR LIKE A WORK LIKE A P AND Z FOR LIKE REVIEWING A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A FINAL PLAT SO THEY'D HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. 
          I LIKE THAT, THAT THE NC IDEAS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING, BUT IT IS A LOT OF SHIT FOR DANIEL TO DO BECAUSE IT ISN'T THAT GREAT. 
          YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOMETIMES IT TAKES HOURS REALLY REVIEW. 
          I MEAN WE CAN STILL BE INVOLVED WITH ANYTHING THAT'S COMING TO OUR PRECINCT AND INVOLVED AT ANY LEVEL YOU WANT TO, YOU COULD GO TO THE P AND Z MEETING OR WHATEVER. 
          WE WOULD CALL THAT. 
          I'M JUST USING THAT BECAUSE WE BROUGHT UP THE TERM. 
          BUT I MEAN YOU COULD GO WHEN THEY BRING YOUR PLANT AND SAY, WELL YEAH, I LIKE LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PLANT. 
          I AM THIS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAW. 
          WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE WHAT HE'S AGREEING TO ALREADY WITH HIM. 
          AND I'M NOT ARGUING THAT. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY BANNED FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. 
          UM, DO YOU, UM, AS FAR AS THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE, ARE YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE ONE, ONE DIRECT APPOINTEE ON THERE? CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE HOW, HOW YOU'D WANT TO APPOINT, UH, HOW LONG WOULD THEY SERVE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, CAUSE WE CAN FIND IT VERY 
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SIMILAR TO A P AND Z WHERE WE HAVE STAGGERED TERMS AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT TYPE SET CUT. 
          CAUSE WE'D WANT TO SET THEM UP. 
          WE'LL SET THEM UP A PAGE IN HERE, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT YOU APPOINT. 
          WHETHER IT'S EACH ONE OF YOU APPOINTS ONE OR WHETHER YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL JUST PRESENT YOU A LIST AND YOU'LL CONFIRM THE LIST. 
          UH, SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MAYBE THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          UH, BUT WE, WE CAN COME UP WITH A DRAFT AND THEN RUN THAT THROUGH STAFF AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK AND THEN RUN THAT, RUN THAT BY BY, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I ALSO HAVE SOME SAMPLE LANGUAGE TOO THAT I CAN SEND YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT, AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, ELLIS COUNTY DOES THIS, THE, EVEN THE CITY OF FORNEY DOES THIS. 
          I'D LIKE TO CREATE A CALENDAR FOR A ONCE A MONTH SUBMITTAL DATE SO THEY WILL KNOW THE DATE, THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR PLAN AND THEN 30 DAYS. 
          SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          IT'S APPROVED ON THIS SPECIFIC DATE. 
          I CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU A LITTLE LATER. 
          IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT CLICKED. 
          AND SO ONE IS THE MIDDLE OF A MONTH RENT AND THAT'S WHY THEY DO THAT. 
          IT'S GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THE 30 DAY LONG IN 30 DAYS. 
          IT HAS TO APPROVE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO YOU BRING WHEN, WHEN EVERYTHING'S SAID AND DONE, YOU BRING US A COMPLETED PLAT APPLICATION PACKET, UM, ON THIS DATE, WHICH AUTOMATICALLY TELLS YOU AT THE END OF THAT CALENDAR WHAT DATE YOU'RE ON CALL. 
          IT'S A MANAGEMENT TOOL. 
          IT'S A MANAGEMENT TOOL BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, 10 O'CLOCK, ONE AT THREE O'CLOCK WHEN I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WAY TO UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT COMMITTEE WHERE IT HAS A MEET DATE, SAME TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST SO EVERYTHING'S MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THE ENGINEER APPROVAL PROCESS COMES BEFORE THAT CALENDAR BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ENGINEERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU GET ONE PLAT SUBMITTED TO YOUR OFFICE, BUT IT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE. 
          CAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE CORRECTIONS AND IT ALLEVIATES ALL THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS LIKE, YOU NEED YOUR PLAT APPROVAL ON A FINAL, THEY WILL SUBMIT TO THE ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY SURVEYOR, THEY BOTH NEED TO BRING THEIR APPROVAL LETTERS BEFORE THEY SUBMIT THEIR COMPLETED APPLICATION. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE REQUIRED FOR A COMPLETED PLAT APPLICATION PACKET, WHICH NOW WE'RE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 30 DAYS CAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          AND PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT TO LIVE IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION HANDBOOK. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY EITHER HAVE IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OR THE VERY END. 
          THAT'S THAT WHEN I SENT YOU AN EXAMPLE OF AND WHAT YOU THOUGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT ELLIS COUNTY USES THAT CALENDAR. 
          THE CITY OF FORNEY USES THAT COUNTY. 
          SO DEVELOPERS AROUND THE AREA ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT CALENDAR. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THROWING ANYTHING ON THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT USED TO. 
          AND IT STAYS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          WELL USUALLY THE CALENDAR CITY, I DON'T KNOW THE COUNTY, I DON'T THINK COUNTY DAS COUNTY DOES. 
          CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF JUST HELPS EVERYONE MANAGE THEIR TIME. 
          AND IT GIVES YOU THE ALL SET DATES A LOT. 
          IT'S A LOT. 
          EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN, YOU KNOW. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE, THEY KNOW WHEN TO HAVE THEIR STUFF READY. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER SECTION THAT MONEY CAN, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT IS ON PAGE ONE 27 AND DANIEL BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. 
          THE COURT IS DUE TO UPDATE THEIR THREE 12 POLICY THIS JANUARY. 
          SO I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE WORKSHOPPING THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED NOW. 
          UM, THEY'VE ADOPTED A LOT OF OUR CURRENT ORDER, BUT I THINK THE COURT FROM CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD IS MAYBE LOOKING AT READJUSTING THAT ORDER AND CHANGING IT. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO, UM, IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES IN THE REALM OF SUBDIVISIONS, FIRST OFF, I, I DON'T WORRY IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T THEN WE'LL GO. 
          I THINK IT TAKES AWAY, UH, THE SORT OF CODIFIES, UH, OUR INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN A WAY THAT WHEN IT, AND IT EVEN SAYS IT, IT EVEN SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT WE WERE GOING THROUGH EARLIER IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE POLICIES AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS A LINE IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAYS, WELL, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AWFULLY FIXED AND RIGID TO PUT IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT AS TO WHY THAT WOULD BE IN HERE BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT A LITTLE BIT, OH, THE, UH, IF I'M DOING A SUBDIVISION AND ALSO WE DO TALK ABOUT LAND USES AND HERE, SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEIGHBORING TOPICS. 
          UH, CAN IT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THIS? YES, YES. 
          WOULD BE THAT. 
          MAYBE REFERENCE REFERENCE 
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THE  IN SECTION 16, JUST PUT A, UH, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN WE HAVE A ECONOMIC INCENTIVE POLICY IN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, IT JUST REFERENCED THAT INDIA AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PUTTING THE POLICY IN THE DEVELOPMENT ONCE ONE SIDE CONVERSATION THEN MONIQUE AND DANIEL AND I HAD WAS THIS CONCEPT OF IF YOU MENTIONED THINGS THAT THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN OR LIKES, AND THAT'S IN PAGE ONE 29 D WHERE IT SAYS OPEN SPACE, A LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY STREETS. 
          IF YOU KIND OF PUT THOSE IDEAS OUT THERE THAT IT MAY BRING YOU SOME TYPE OF, UM, PROPOSAL THAT A DEVELOPER WASN'T EXACTLY LOOKING AT UNTIL THEY READ THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ANY OF THOSE IDEAS OR NOT. 
          I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. 
          YOU'RE REBECCA. 
          SO MY POINT IS IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I'M LOOKING AT KAUFMAN COUNTY AND I SEE THIS ECONOMIC INCENTIVES SECTION, AND I THINK, OH, THAT'S INTERESTING, WHAT ARE THEY GETTING AT? AND IT SAYS BOUNDARY STREET AND PERMITS. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE I'LL OFFER, SORRY TO COMPLETELY RESURFACE THESE FOUR COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF YOU INCENTIVIZE A CORNER THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT I'M GOING TO CREATE HIS COMMERCIAL BY DOING A TAX ABATEMENT OR A REBATE PROGRAM. 
          AND MAYBE I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT AS AN IDEA IF I, IF I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD THING TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT THEY WOULD OFFER TO DO, OH, WE COULD DO AN OPEN SPACE THING IN THIS PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, NO YOU, THAT MAYBE YOU KEEP IT BROAD AND SAY, WELL WE HAVE A, A REBATE AND AN ABATEMENT POLICY. 
          LOOK AT THE CURRENT ORDER TO SEE WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE. 
          BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN. 
          IF IT'S REGARDING RESIDENTIAL, SUBDIVISION TYPE DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE, THIS IS STUFF THE COURT WANTS TO SEE. 
          UM, HAYS COUNTY IS KIND OF INNOVATIVE AND DOING THIS CONCEPT AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE ALSO DONE IT. 
          UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IN AUSTIN AREA IT'S MORE FOCUSED ON LIKE GREEN TYPE DEVELOPMENT AND UM, AND WASTEWATER INITIATIVES AND OPEN SPACE. 
          BUT FOR KAUFMAN, WE LOOKED AT, UM, REALLY LIKING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, PARKLAND RESERVATIONS. 
          UM, BOUNDARY STREET IMPROVEMENTS WERE A HUGE DEAL. 
          AND THEN THE LOW INTENSITY, YOU KNOW, BIGGER LOTS, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEONE SAID, I'M GOING TO DO FIVE ACRES, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, THAT MIGHT BE ENOUGH OF A CASE BY CASE TYPE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO INCENTIVIZE OR NOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALL OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY DANIEL KIND OF PUT IT IN THERE. 
          AND WE THOUGHT AT A LATER DATE WE'LL ASK THE COURT, SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT AND MAKE REFERENCE TO IT. 
          WE DON'T PUT A STRICT GUIDELINE AND WE JUST PUT IT IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE INCENTIVES FOR DOING, BRING US YOUR BEST PROPOSAL. 
          WE CAN DO ANYTHING THAT MAKE MENTION THAT IF YOU COME TO US, BUT THEN MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GOOD INCENTIVES IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH US AND INSTEAD OF JUST PLAYING THE GUIDELINE TO MAKE THE CHEAPEST THING YOU CAN MAKE AS A DEVELOPER, WALK OFF AND LEAVE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THE CONCEPT OF A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT DOESN'T QUITE TRANSLATE FROM THE MUNICIPAL WORLD INTO THE COUNTY WORLD, BUT WHENEVER YOU'RE DOING A TAX ABATEMENT OR A REBATE PLAN, IT KIND OF DOES. 
          AND IT'S A WAY TO GET THAT IN AND THEN GET THOSE BOUNDARIES, STREET TYPE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE ELEMENT OF, OF NOT NECESSARILY CONTROL BUT INFLUENCE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS IN AN INSTRUMENT, UH, HERE'S THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH WILL PARTICIPATE, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING IN JOBS AND REVENUE IT GOOD TAX BASE. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A BENEFIT TO HAVING IT ALL HERE. 
          UH, WE, WE COULD DO A SUMMARY OF IT IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE SEEING LIKE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE ABATEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD DO A, A SUMMARY. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION BUT, BUT I THINK YOU'D HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS EITHER WE COULD LEAVE IT AS IS. 
          WE COULD DO JUST, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ONLY JUST BE HALF A PAGE AS FAR AS THE PURE ECONOMICS AND I VIEW THE D, THE QUALIFYING DEVELOPMENT ENHANCEMENTS IS NOT, I MEAN I DON'T, IT'S FINE TO LEAVE IT IN THERE TO ME JUST AS A, AS SOMETHING TO ATTRACT SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION. 
          BUT THE DETAILS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT I THINK ARE, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT A LOT OF DETAIL ON THIS FOR THAT. 
          THAT MAKES, IT'S KIND OF A CRAZY WAY TO SAY IT, BUT, SO BASICALLY REVISING IT, BUT SORT OF KEEPING THE INTENT AND LISTING OUT WHAT'S WHAT OPTION. 
          THE OPTIONS ARE LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON D KIND OF TAKING OUT THE ORDER COMPONENTS BECAUSE I THINK THE ORDER WILL PROBABLY CHANGE IN THAT WAY. 
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THAT'S JUST ONE MORE THING. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE HAD TO BE UPDATED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES AND YOU GUYS CAN BE EXPECTING TO SEE THE NEW ONSITE SEWER FACILITIES ORDER AS WELL AS THE FLOOD DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, A MAIN CONTROL ORDER AND THEN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. 
          SO THERE'S THREE SEPARATE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UPDATED AND I NEED TO SEND THOSE TO DANIEL TO BE INCORPORATED IN HERE. 
          WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. 
          NOT A, NOT AN ENTIRELY LARGE AMOUNT. 
          IT DOES HAVE BIG CHANGES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT JUST TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMMON VISION PROGRAM AND SOME IF SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE COURT'S GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          I KNOW JUDGE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CURRENTLY GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE COG AND FROM DALLAS COUNTY ON WHAT, UM, THE COMMON VISION PROGRAM WOULD ENTAIL FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY IF WE BECOME A MEMBER AS OF NOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FOOTPRINT OR IS IT JUST ADDS THIS CONCEPT OF A FLOOD PRONE AREA, WHICH IS NOT TECHNICALLY A DESIGNATED OR MAPPED FLOOD AREA, BUT SOMEWHERE THAT EXPERIENCES FLOODING PRETTY REGULARLY AND THEN, UM, EXTENDS ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR THAT AREA PRETTY MUCH TO HELP CONSUMERS. 
          IT'S A LOT OF THE COUNTY FLATTENED AND GOT LOTS OF CREEKS AND TRIBUTARIES. 
          IT WAS ORDER. 
          WE WERE HOPING TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ADOPTED CAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. 
          SO THE TENANT DID, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT ON THE 26TH AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE ADOPTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING, UM, DECEMBER 10TH WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, FLOOD PLAIN FIRE CODE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR, GET THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK. 
          AND THEN DECEMBER 23RD, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, ADOPT SOME OF THE VIDEO RIGHT AWAY AND START THE NEW YEAR OFF. 
          IF YOU CAN ADD THE ON THE NOVEMBER 26TH, THE FLOOD PLAIN AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD HELP DANIEL. 
          THAT WAY HE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY FINALIZED AND CANNOT CHANGE. 
          YOU WANT TO ADD THE FIRE BECAUSE THE FIRE COULD GET ADOPTED. 
          I DON'T HIS BECAUSE RANDY'S NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT IT, BUT WE CAN ASK AND SEE ABOUT DOING ALL THREE OF THOSE. 
          A FIRE CODE. 
          I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD HAVE ANY PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DRAFTED AND REVIEWED AND IT'S PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE. 
          SO FIRE CODE ON-SITES WHO WERE IN FLOOD PLAIN. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT WAY THEY KNOW THAT DANIEL KNOWS THAT IT'S POLITELY CEMENTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THAT. 
          WELL SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ON THAT STUFF AND THEN FORCED MENTIONED HIM AND I'LL SEND THEM TO YOU TODAY. 
          THE ONE I WON'T HAVE THE FIRE CODE WILL HAVE TO COME FROM RANDY OR I CAN SEND YOU THE OSF IN THE FLOOD PLAIN ORDER CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REWRITTEN AND REDRAFTED AND UM, LAST PAGE HAS SOME LANGUAGE FOR THE UH, COMMON VISION PROGRAM. 
          UM, I CAN, IF WE'RE ON THE FENCE ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OH I CAN SET UP A MEETING FORMATION. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO, I JUST MADE A NOTE, MONIQUE, I THINK WE NEED TO GET A COG TO COME OVER HERE AND PITCH IT AT ONE OF THESE SOON MEETINGS. 
          HAVE HER COME OVER IN PITCH. 
          THIS COMMON VISION EXPLAINED TO US WHAT WE CAN USE IT FOR. 
          COMMON VISION IS A, HAS TO DO WITH THE EAST FORK OF THE TRINITY RIVER. 
          BUT WHAT MONIQUE AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT IS THAT IT MIGHT GIVE US THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO PREVENT, UH, FLOODING IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, SO IT MIGHT GIVE US A MORE REACH THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND EAT IT FROM THE COG IS WILLING TO COME. 
          AND SO, UM, IS FROM DALLAS COUNTY. 
          THEY BOTH VOLUNTEERED TO COME AND SPEAK. 
          IF I CAN SET THAT UP, WHICH THEY DID, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD IS THEY NEED TO COME AND PITCH THIS TO US AS TO WHY THIS IS, WHAT CAN WE DO SPECIFICALLY WHAT CAN WE USE THIS FOR TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE NOT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          I WOULD SAY TUNER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE DATES. 
          AND SO, UM, DECEMBER 23RD, WE'RE HOPING TO ADOPT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING 
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TO PLAN. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE FIRST OF THE YEARS THE NEW RATES WILL BE IN PLACE REGULATIONS AND NEW PROCEDURES FOR 2020. 
          NOW. 
          OH, WELL. 
          UM, ONE THING TOO THAT I THINK Y'ALL DID A GOOD JOB. 
          THAT WAS REALLY, I KIND OF FOLLOWED THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WAS THE ACCEPTANCE PROCESS FOR, FOR ROADS. 
          WE GET HIT A LOT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS, A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST HAVE SOLD HOMES OR, OR THE SALESPEOPLE OR WHOEVER THEY TELL THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD, AS SOON AS WE'VE BUILT OUT THIS SUBDIVISION, THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH TAXES AND THE COUNTY WILL TAKE IN YOUR ROADS WHEN SOME OF THEM DIDN'T EVEN CREATE A HOA TO MAINTAIN THEIR ROADS, JUST ON THAT PREMISE THAT THEY WERE TOLD AND NOW THEY COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND THE ROADS ARE DETERIORATING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY WANT US TO ACCEPT THEM BACK IN, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. 
          WHENEVER A CONCRETE ROAD WILL EAT UP MY WHOLE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, DUDE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SO EXPENSIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, AND WE DO HAVE GUIDELINES IN THERE TO BRING THEM UP TO A STANDARD WHERE WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT AT THIS TIME. 
          SO, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT HAVE SAID, NEVERMIND. 
          THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD A ROAD. 
          AND SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SOLD TO TENANT CONTRACTS, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD AND YOU WANT THE ROAD TO LAST A WHILE, YEAH. 
          WHEN WE DID, WE JUST DID ONE THIS YEAR, THE ROAD, WE MAY BUY THAT LAND THAT'S DECENT FOR THEM. 
          BRAND NEW PROPERTY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. BUT YES, WE ARE ENFORCING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO COUNTY STANDARD. 
          THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR PLANS TO US THAT REVIEWS IT TO SEE IF IT'S QUALITY PROCEDURES. 
          UM, ADOPTING THAT ROAD IS TOTALLY UP TO THE COURT. 
          YEAH, TOTALLY UP TO THE COURT OR WE QUESTION REBECCA QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE COUNTY ONE INSPECT ALL IMPROVEMENTS OR JUST ROADS. 
          I DO. 
          SO SHE'S BRINGING UP THE TOPIC OF WHAT'S DEFINED AS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND HOW WE WANT THE INSPECTIONS TO, TO, TO WORK AND WHAT CAPABILITY THE COUNTY HAS. 
          CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE ANY TYPE OF UTILITY, UM, INSPECTIONS OUTSIDE OF JUST A ROAD. 
          AT A MINIMUM THOUGH, WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE'S OF IS A FACILITY. 
          WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO DRAINAGE INSPECTIONS? I THINK YOU'RE UH, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT UM, WATER PIPE, FIVE PLANTS AND FIRE, IS THAT, YEAH. 
          SO I'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH A YEAR OF PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH IS I THINK REALLY GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER. 
          SO YOU KNEW YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT JUST CARVES OUT THE LOTS. 
          THE OF THE WAY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS SET UP IS MOST CITIES YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAN. 
          IN MOST CASES THE ENGINEER COMES AND BRINGS IT TO THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY HAS ALL THOSE CHANGES AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, I JUST DESIGNED THIS WHOLE SET OF PLANS AND NOW I HAVE TO CHANGE IT. 
          SO THE WAY THE PROCESS IS SET UP NOW IS USED TO MAKE YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAN NO CONSTRUCTION PLAN. 
          SO YOU GET TO NIT PICK WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE VERY MANY CHANGES. 
          YOU APPROVE IT AND THEN AFTERWARDS THEY SUBMIT THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS. 
          SO THERE'S SUBMITTING CONSTRUCTION THINGS FOR SOMETHING THEY ALREADY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. 
          ONCE THEY SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THEN THEY'RE RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE FINAL PLOT IS EVEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND, UM, BEFORE THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL PLAN, WE HAVE THE SYSTEM SET UP WHERE SOMEBODY GOES AND INSPECTS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE PUBLICS. 
          THAT'S A VERY COMMON PRACTICE FOR MOST, MOST COUNTIES DO THAT. 
          AND SO WOULD YOU LIKE THE OPTION TO INSPECT BOTH WATER, SEWER, WHATEVER, UTILITY AND ROADS OR MAYBE THE TWO ROADS? I MEAN IT'S REALLY, WELL I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO INCLUDE DRAINAGE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OR MAYBE JUST DRAINAGE YOUR ROOM. 
          I MEAN IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO INSPECT ROGUE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INSPECT THE DRAINAGE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          CAUSE SO IT'S AN, IT'S AN OPTION. 
          SO DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE SOMEBODY TO INSPECT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? I THINK RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE PROCESS IS SET UP IS THE IMPROVEMENTS GET BUILT AND SUBMIT A LETTER OF COMPLETION AND QUALITY. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO INFECT TRAINEE VALLEYS? ALL THE WATER COMPANIES PIPE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DESIGNATE A STAFF MEMBER. 
          SO LIKE THEY MAY HAVE FULL TIME, UM, THIS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH YOU JUST BECAUSE WE PUT IT IN THERE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT WE DO IT, DOES IT WE COULD PASS THAT AUTHORITY ON TO THE ATTORNEY VALLEY OR WHOEVER. 
          WELL, WE ALREADY REQUIRE THEM TO SUBMIT A LETTER 
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TO US STATING THAT POWER IS AVAILABLE AT THAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE ALREADY HAVE THE WATER COMPANIES SUBMIT A LETTER TO US STATING THAT WATER CAN BE PROVIDED TO THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S KIND OF WITH ALL THESE WATER DISTRICTS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT US, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WANT TO TAKE ON THAT. 
          THAT YOU COULD JUST DO THOSE TWO. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ROADS WE DO THROUGH OUR ENGINEER, THEY DO AN INSPECTION. 
          I THINK THAT THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT THE COUNTY IS ONLY EVER GOING TO TAKE ON INFRASTRUCTURE REGARDING THE DRAINAGE AND ROADS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A WASTEWATER COMPANY OR WATER COMPANY. 
          WE HAVE TO BAIL NAGER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEPTIC TANKS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE ON A SEWER. 
          THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, WHICH WE DON'T EVEN HAVE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY  AND WE ARE GOING TO INSPECT THE PLANS. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT ON SITE AND INSPECT THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO INSPECT IT IN A SENSE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE NEED, I DON'T THINK WE NEED WATER OR SEWER. 
          I THINK THE WATER COMPANIES ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE MY WATER COMPANY, THEY'RE SO UH, THEIR OWN, EVERYTHING. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU DON'T EVEN BLINK AN EYE AT THEIR, A LITTLE WATER. 
          I MEAN, CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY ARE ON TOP OF IT. 
          THEY COST TOO MUCH MONEY AND THEY PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO COME IN TO OUR EASEMENT AND ACROSS THE ROAD AND GIVE US PLANS TO COME ACROSS THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED ANY MORE EXPECTED EXCEPT WHEN THEY CROSS OUR ROADS DRAINAGE THAT WE'LL HAVE IT, WE'LL SPECIFICALLY JUST SAY THAT THE COUNTY WILL JUST INSPECT ROADS AND DRAINAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OH, FLOOD DRAINAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DID ON THIS ONE, THAT WE ACTUALLY DID ONE THIS LAST YEAR AND WE WORKED HARD ON IT AND IT WAS AS BIG MASS DISTANCE BACK THEN ROADS, IF YOU DON'T WATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU'RE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE IN THE INSPECTION BUSINESS AND YOU'RE INSPECTED THIS ROAD AND IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S CONSTANT IN THE CONSTANTLY GOING BACK AND FORTH AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT. 
          AND WE DID THE DRAINS AND THEN ALL THE RANGERS AND WE MADE THEM DO ALL THE REPAIR WORKS. 
          AND SO NOW THEIR THROAT, I MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER OR ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS BASICALLY AN ENGINEER THAT WAS FAMILIAR WITH WATER UTILITIES. 
          AND I MEAN THAT'S JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. 
          YEAH, I MET, I MET DEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MET JENNY OUT THERE. 
          AND THIS LITERALLY JUST TURNED IN A PLAT APPLICATION YESTERDAY WITH A SMALL SUBDIVISION AND I SPENT $7,000 ON ENGINEERING. 
          HE WAS WATER AND I TURNED INTO THE ENGINEERING REPORT WITH THE APPLICATION WILL BE IN THERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHO I WAS TO ASK HIM TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND CHECK OUT A $7,000 WORTH OF ENGINEERING. 
          IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          THEM. 
          NO, I DON'T. 
          I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE DOES EITHER. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE ADDING MORE WORK FOR US. 
          WELL I THINK IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. 
          WE'RE TOO SPREAD OUT FOR THAT KIND OF, THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER BUTTON. 
          DALE. 
          I MEAN THAT'S NOT REALLY A RULE THAT NEVERTHELESS, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE, JUDGE. 
          I HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY THIS MORNING, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I, I, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO DELINEATE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO A CERTAIN THING VERSUS WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY OPT TO, TO, UH, IMPOSE THAT AUTHORITY. 
          SO I MEAN, CAUSE THESE SUBDIVISION REGS ARE DESIGNED TO LAST A LONG, LONG TIME. 
          AND AS WE KNOW, THINGS CHANGE, WE ARE URBANIZING AS A COUNTY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT, UM, THAT PROVIDING THE AUTHORITY FOR THE COUNTY TO ACT DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE AS CIRCUMSTANCES MIGHT, MIGHT WARRANT IS IMPORTANT. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE PUT THE AUTHORITY IN THERE AND THEN NOT, UH, AND THEN PASS THAT TO SOMEBODY ELSE OR NOT. 
          WAIT. 
          CAUSE THE QUESTION IS ABOUT LIKE WHAT TYPE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE WE INSPECTING? SO WE COULD DEFINITELY CLEARLY SAY THESE ARE THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE INSPECTING, BUT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS CAN CAN MEAN A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, WHETHER THEY ARE A WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UH, BUT THE ONLY ONES THAT WE'RE MENTIONING IN HERE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE INSPECTION OR THE DRAINAGE AND THE ROADS. 
          CAUSE YOUR POINT IS THAT WE'RE NOT EVER ENOUGH TIME ENOUGH. 
          THE FUTURE, YOUR ANSWER TO ME WAS THAT WE WOULD NEVER BE IN THE WATER BUSINESS OR THE WASTEWATER BUSINESS. 
          AND ALSO SO SINCE THE COUNTY MAINTAINS THE ROADS, THEY WOULD BE IN YOUR INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER SAID HE DID WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS AND DRAINAGE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE A PART OF OUR SYSTEM, BUT THE WATER 
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WOULD NEVER BE PART OF OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN WE ALREADY LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CROSSINGS AND THEY HAVE TO BRING IT TO COURT. 
          CARLOS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT WINE THAT YOU SEE ALL WATER PROVIDERS OF DISTRICTS TO TURN THEM AROUND? THEY HAVE STRAIGHTENERS RULES, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM SUCH AS GUIDELINES. 
          TCEQ DOES INSPECT THOSE. 
          SO IN SO MANY INSTANCES IN THE WATER INDUSTRY AND IN THE 70 CHEMISTRY AS FAR AS THE MAJOR PLANTS, YOU'RE PRETTY WELL THE STATE OF TEXAS IS ALREADY DOING THAT FOR YOU. 
          SO YOU KNOW, THEY DO, THEY HAVE, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY CONNECTIONS AND THEN TCEQ DOES REQUIRE, THEY DO COME OUT AND INSPECT THAT AS WELL. 
          SO FOR US TO ACTUALLY BE TRIED TO TAKE OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF NECESSARILY WE, WE'RE DOUBLE DOING SOMETHING, BUT ARE WE ALSO MAYBE TAKING ON A LOT BUILDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION ANYWAY. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP IT JUST, UH, INSPECTIONS FOR DRAINAGE AND ROADS AND THEN, UH, JUST SAY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE JUST REALLY ANYTHING DEDICATED TO, UM, PUBLIC, PRIVATE TO SERVE THE SERVE THE SITE. 
          SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOUR WATER. 
          THAT'S JUST INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT IS. 
          BUT THE ONLY NONPROFIT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS YOU OR THE COUNTY ARE INSPECTING ARE DRAINAGE AND ROADS. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO BE INSPECTING ONE PERSON AND THEN WE DON'T INSPECT OTHER PEOPLE. 
          WAIT, WAIT. 
          WE'LL GET INTO MORE TROUBLE THAN WE KNOW. 
          PROBABLY WHAT TO DO ABOUT, CAUSE WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SORRY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL, WE'VE GOT THAT DECIDED. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE'S A BUNCH OF WAYS TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT. 
          WHAT'S NEXT ON YOUR LIST? RIGHT. 
          WELL THAT REALLY, REALLY, UH, TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING ON OUR LIST. 
          AND UH, MONIQUE ALREADY SORT OF WENT THROUGH THE, THE SCHEDULE AND THE NEXT STEPS ABOUT, UM, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ADOPTION. 
          SO, SO THAT ALL OCCURS IN, IN JANUARY TO HIT THE HIT, THE NEW NEW RE NEW YEAR RUNNING. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY THE PROCESS WHERE WE GOT MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE TODAY BASED UPON THOSE NOTES. 
          I'LL GET WITH UH, MONIQUE AND REBECCA TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, SUPPORT COMMITTEE AND WE'LL GET THAT INCLUDED AND UM, GET THAT BACK AND WE'LL WORK OUT ALL THE CHANGES WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, WE GOT ALL THE CHANGES MADE AND THEN WE CAN SUBMIT IT BACK TO YOU. 
          AND THEN LIKE MONIQUE SAID, ON HER SCHEDULE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE ADOPTION. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO'S FIRST? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO READ THAT OR ARE YOU, THIS IS BRINGING A SKUNK. 
          YOU CAN READ ALL THAT IN THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? ALL I NEED A COUPLE OF MINUTES. 
          HE TOLD ME FIVE. 
          I TOLD YOU FIVE MINUTES. 
          ALL I'M GOING TO DO. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO I THINK LETTING ME COME. 
          UM, I'M KENNETH LANE. 
          I HAVE BEEN A DEVELOPER HERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AND I EXCLUSIVELY DO SIMPLIFIED DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THAT'S NO ROAD CONSTRUCTION, BUT VIRTUALLY EVERYONE THAT I DO, I HAVE TO BUILD A WATER SYSTEM AND USUALLY DO SOME TYPE OF ELECTRICAL POWER TO THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE LOTS HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. 
          AND SO I'M ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UH, THE COUNTY CLERK ASKED ME TO KIND OF GIVE HER SOME INPUT ON SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND, AND I KNEW THAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO TRY TO, UH, COME UP WITH A NEW SET. 
          AND I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT THE OTHER DAY, I THINK I'VE SPENT ABOUT 200 HOURS OVER THE LAST YEAR REVIEWING, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT CAME THROUGH AND MEETING WITH THE GROUP. 
          AND SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF PERSPECTIVE FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE DEVELOPER LOOK AT WHEN HE SEES THESE REGULATIONS BASED ON OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES? IF THAT'S A FAIR INDICATION AND JUST REALIZE THAT I AM NOT A LARGE DEVELOPER. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE IMPACT OF BUILDING ROADS AND HOUSES. 
          AND SO I JUST DO THE SIMPLIFIED VERSION. 
          SO, UH, IF I MAY AND, AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PURCHASE IT FOR DEVELOPMENT, THE VERY FIRST THING I HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS DO I KNOW HOW THIS PROPERTY FITS INTO TWO 32, DOUBLE OH ONE, WHICH IS THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT TELLS ME WHAT I CAN AND WHAT I CAN'T DO, IN OTHER WORDS, IS TO BE PLOTTED. 
          AND THE ONES THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS IS VERY CUT, CUT AND DRY. 
          IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE THE 1990S. 
          UM, I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS OUR BIBLE THAT GUIDES US INTO, AS WE LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY, I DON'T 
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KNOW IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE. 
          I'VE KIND OF MADE EVERYONE A COPY OF THIS. 
          IT'S ONLY FOUR PAGES BECAUSE IT'S THE INTEGRAL PIECE OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED. 
          IF IT IS NOT OKAY. 
          IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TWO, THREE, TWO, DOUBLE A ONE. 
          THAT IS WHEN A PLANT IS REQUIRED AND THE LANGUAGE IS VERY EXPLICIT HERE IT SAYS A SUBDIVISION. 
          THIS IS NUMBER ONE, A SUBDIVISION OF THE TRACK INCLUDING AN ADDITION. 
          NUMBER TWO IS LOTS OR AND NUMBER THREE AND THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE EXEMPTION TRIGGER CLAUSE. 
          THIS IS NUMBER THREE AND IT IS STREETS, ALLEY SQUARES, PARKS OR OTHER PARTS OF THE TRACK INTENDED TO BE DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC USE FOR WHICH UH, FOR FOR THE USE OF PURCHASERS ARE OWNERS OF LOTS FRONTING UP THE ADJACENT TO THE STREETS, ALLEYS, SQUARES, PARKS OR OTHER PARTS. 
          THE INTENT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS TO SAY WE NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A LANDOWNER WHO DECIDES TO SPLIT UP HIS PROPERTY AND SELL PARTS OF IT VERSUS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE COUNTY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS TRIGGER EXEMPTION IS THERE FOR. 
          AND AS YOU SEE IN SECTION SECTION TWO THREE TWO ZERO ZERO ONE FIVE WHICH IS THE VERY NEXT PAGE, THESE ARE THE EXEMPTIONS TO THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT THE STATE ALLOWS AND WHAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE REFER TO IS SECTION TWO THREE . 
          WHAT I CALL THAT EXEMPTION TRIGGER. 
          BASICALLY OUR ROADS BEING BUILT THAT ARE BE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. 
          EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE, AND PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S MOST LIKELY YOU COME ACROSS YOUR DESK BEFORE IS NUMBER NUMBER J, WHICH IS A COUNTY MAY NOT REQUIRE THE OWNER OF A TRACK OF LAND OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF A MUNICIPALITY WHO DIVIDES THE TRACK INTO TWO PARTS TO HAVE A PLAT OF THE SUBDIVISION PREPARED IF NUMBER ONE, THE OWNER DOES NOT LAY OUT A PART OF THE TRACK DESCRIBED BY THAT TRIGGER CLAUSE, WHICH IS ROADS THAT ARE BE DEDICATED AND IT TALKS ABOUT ONE NEW PART IS TO BE RETAINED BY THE OWNER AND THE OTHER PART IS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER PERSON WHO WILL FURTHER SUBDIVIDE THE TRACK. 
          THIS IS KNOWN AS THE GRANNY SITUATION. 
          THE GRANNY CLAUSE GRANDMA WANTS TO S TO A PLAT, MAYBE TWO OR THREE LOSS ON THE COUNTY ROAD IN FRONT MAYBE HAS TO PUT A WATER LINE, BUT THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO PLAQUE THE REMAINING PIECE OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          IT ALSO, IT TAKES EFFECT IF SOMEBODY HAS TRACKS THAT ARE LARGER THAN 10 ACRES. 
          WITH THAT SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, PAGE ONE, SECTION ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT THE AUTHORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE US CONSTITUTION AND SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING TWO THREE TO THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          I'D ASK YOU TO MOVE TO PAGE TWO WHICH IS 1.04 THIS IS THE APPLICABILITY OF IT DROPPED DOWN TO NUMBER D REQUIREMENT TO PLAT FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND AS PER THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TWO THREE TWO OH ONE IT'S IT'S IDENTIFIED RIGHT THERE. 
          AGAIN, WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE HERE IS THAT NUMBER A AND B ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, BUT SECTION C IS WHAT WOULD BE THE TRIGGER CLAUSE IN THIS PRESENTED SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT SAYS STREETS ALLEYS, WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS INTENDED TO BE USED BY THE PURCHASERS OF OWNERS OF THE SUBJECT LOT. 
          IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE NOW WHERE, WHERE IS THAT SIGNIFICANT? ON THE VERY NEXT PAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT TO PLAT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LAND. 
          AND THE ONLY THING IT SAYS IN THE WAY OF AN EXEMPTION TRIGGER HERE IS THAT IF THE, UH, OWNER OF THE LAND DIVIDES IT INTO TWO OR MORE PARTS AND THE OWNER OR OWNER DOES NOT OR DO NOT LAY OUT A PART OF THE TRACK OF LAND AS DESCRIBED IN 1.04 D ONE, WHICH IS THAT ENTIRE SECTION RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PLAT. 
          SO THE LANGUAGE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE CODE. 
          AND YOU SAY, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE I PICKED OUT A CALDWELL COUNTY, COMAL COUNTY, SMITH COUNTY, AND EVERY ONE OF THEIR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE EXACTLY THE WORDING THAT'S IN THE CODE. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A TRACK OF LAND  OTHERWISE BE EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS ACCORDING TO THESE NEW SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, I WOULD HAVE TO PLAN IT BECAUSE OF THE WATER THAT I'M INSTALLING ON IT AND THAT 
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THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO AS I LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BUY, IF I BUY AND I KNOW THAT I CAN DO IT ACCORDING TO THOSE STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THEN THEN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION OF THE COUNTY IS SIMPLY WHAT I NEED TO PROVIDE ALONG WITH ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT A FULL SUBDIVISION. 
          IT DOESN'T DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT I CAN DO THE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS. 
          THESE ARE UNENFORCEABLE. 
          IT'S, IT'S ILLEGAL. 
          WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING REQUIRED HERE. 
          AND I'VE SHOWN MY OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT ARE FRIENDS OF MINE, I'VE SHOWN MY ATTORNEY, THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING, TWO MINUTES INTO IT. 
          THESE ARE UNENFORCEABLE. 
          YOU CANNOT REQUIRE THAT. 
          LET ME TAKE A BREATH. 
          I TOLD YOU I'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES. 
          THAT'S MY SKUNK. 
          THAT I BELIEVE WE CAN FIX THAT THOUGH. 
          WELL, I'M POINTING OVER THERE BECAUSE HE'S ILLEGAL. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE POINTING AT ME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          FIRST OFF, WHENEVER YOU POINT INTO SECTION TWO 32 ZERO, ZERO, ONE, UM, A, I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE WAS A LEGISLATIVE FIX THAT OCCURRED THROUGH SECTIONS. 
          SUBSECTIONS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT, UH, WORD OR VERSES. 
          AND SO ON OUR REGS, I WOULD ASK THAT IT IS CORRECTED TO, TO JUST BE AN OR VERSUS AN END. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT DENOTES THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE LAYING OUT LOTS, IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING ONE OF THOSE OTHER SUBSECTION, LIKE LATER ON IN THE CODE EXEMPTIONS, LIKE THE GRANT EXEMPTION THAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PLATTE FOR THAT REASON THERE. 
          AND THEN I'M ALSO, I'M ASSUMING, AND I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT UM, DANIEL AND ELIANA ARE GETTING AT OH, THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SUBSECTION, TWO 32 ZERO ONE THREE, WHERE IT SAYS PART OF THE TRACK INTENDED TO BE DEDICATED FOR PUBLIC USE OR USE OF THE PURCHASERS, OWNERS OF THAT, OF THOSE LOTS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE SAYING WASTEWATER IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S INTENDED TO BE USED FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC THERE. 
          BUT I, I, I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU WOULDN'T, WHERE THAT EXCEPTION OR WHERE THAT HARM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE AND LET'S RUN IT THROUGH IT. 
          AND THEN ALSO I WOULD ASK THE COURT, UM, OUR ORIGINAL INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO PUSH THIS, UH, THESE REGULATIONS TO THE EXTENT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT IS THE INTERPRETATION THAT OUR, UM, CONSULTANT ENGINEERING GROUP IS USING ON THAT SIDE. 
          UH, SECTION THREE WHEN THEY'RE INTERPRETING THE INTENDED TO BE DEDICATED FOR PUBLIC USE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD ISSUE THAT MR. LANE POINTS OUT AND IT'S A PUBLIC POLICY DECISION THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE AS FAR AS THE USE AND THE EXTENSION OF THIS POLICY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WANT TO DO IT? GO DARK. 
          LET'S, SO HERE, HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I DID DOWN IN PRECINCT FOUR TIMES 153 ACRES ON THE FARM TO MARKET COUNTY ROAD. 
          UH, THESE ARE ALL GREATER THAN 10 ACRE TRACKS AND I HAD TO PUT A WATER LINE IN WITH THE WEST CEDAR CREEK MUD DISTRICT. 
          AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS UNDER THIS, IT FALLS THAT STREETS ALLEYS WATER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WOULD NOT BE EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          THIS IS AN EXEMPT PLAN ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          EACH ONE'S 10 ACRES. 
          EACH ONE IS GREATER THAN 10 ACRES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DANIEL, IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING AND UH, WE'RE HAVING TO GO BACK AND, AND TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THAT LANGUAGE THAT, THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH OUR RESPONSE EXCEPTIONS. 
          LIKE THE 10 ACRES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          SO HE'S AND MR LANE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL RULE AND THEN, YEAH, BECAUSE NORMALLY WHEN YOU SEE A 10 ACRE TRACK LIKE THAT UNDER OUR CURRENT REGS, THAT IS HOW WE WOULD INTERPRET IT TO BE AN EXCEPTION UNLESS YOU'RE LAYING OUT SOME TYPE OF ROAD OR USING AN INTERNAL ROAD THAT WOULD BE USED BY THE DIFFERENT LOT OWNERS. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT THESE OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES ALL USE THE EXACT LANGUAGE PULLED OUT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A COMPLETE CHANGE OF THAT LANGUAGE. 
          AND SO I HAVE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS AND WHEN IT SAYS WATER THAT THAT TRIGGERS ALL OF MY SUBDIVISIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE EXEMPT OR NOT. 
          ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION, THE STATE SAYS IT IS EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS AND I ALWAYS REFER BACK TO STATE LAW WHEN I GO BY IT. 
          AND MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE MOST OF YOUR SUBDIVISION OR SUBDIVISIONS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TRIGGERED BY LOTS UNLESS THEY'RE ALL OVER 10 ACRES, WHICH I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE LANGUAGE IN B VERSUS TWO SAYS AND OR VERSUS JUST SIMPLY OR, OR IS THE STATUTORY BASELINE. 
          AND SO THAT I WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE CHANGED OR BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF CASE LAW AND LEGISLATIVE INTENT BASED ON THAT WORD AND ITS INTERPRETATION. 
          I WOULD ALSO FOLLOW UP THAT SUBSECTION THREE DOES NOT HAVE AS MUCH CASE ON LEGISLATIVE INTENT ON THE BASIS OF INTENDED TO BE DEDICATED 
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FOR PUBLIC USE, WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT THEY'RE DRAWING THAT WATER AND WASTEWATER INTERPRETATION FROM. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THE BASIS OF YOUR COMPLAINT. 
          IT'S TAKING THAT AND BROADENING IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PULLING IT FROM. 
          IF THE COURT, AS A PUBLIC POLICY MATTER DOES NOT WANT TO EXTEND THE REACH UNDERNEATH THAT STATUTE TO GO THAT FAR, THEN WE DO NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE CAN CHANGE IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET US MORE INFORMATION AND SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TO GO WITH THE BASELINE AND THE STATUTE OR TO MAKE THAT EXTENSION INTO WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          I THINK, AND I'LL READ THIS FROM MY ATTORNEYS TO SUB CHAPTER A SOLELY DEALS WITH THE AUTHORITY OF COUNTIES TO REVIEW AND APPROVE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THE STATUTE EMPOWERING COUNTIES TO REGULATE DIVISIONS OF LAND THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS UNDER TWO THREE TWO OH ONE FIVE EXCEPT FOR IT DOES GIVE THE THE COUNTY IN THOSE INSTANCES OF SEWAGE FACILITIES AND BEING ABLE TO REGULATE IT THROUGH YOUR, YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT, AND THIS IS ALL FROM THE TAC. 
          THIS IS THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES THAT CAME UP WITH THIS TO PROTECT THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A COMPLAINT. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO GO OFF AND BUY A PIECE OF LAND IN KAUFMAN COUNTY IF I FEEL LIKE I CAN NOT DO WHAT I WANT TO BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FAR EAST PART OF THE COUNTY VERSUS A HUNDRED ACRES IN YOUR PART OF THE COUNTY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          I CAN'T SELL ONE ACRE TRACKS ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY FOR ANYTHING CLOSE TO GETTING MY MONEY BACK AS I WOULD IN YOUR PRECINCT. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT BASED ON WHERE IT IS AND WHO MY IS. 
          SO IF I LOOK AT THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP ONE OR TWO OR THREE ACRE TRACKS. 
          I WANT TO DO 10 ACRE TRACKS. 
          THAT'S WHO WANTS TO BUY THAT PROPERTY IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          WHAT'S YOUR BASELINE OBJECTION TO PLANNING ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN WHAT, WHAT, WHY? WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT TO PLAN? BECAUSE OF THE, WELL UNDER THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE REAL ISSUE WAS THE TIMING. 
          YOU HAD TO TAKE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND YOU HAD TO WAIT 40 DAYS BECAUSE OF ALL THE SCHEDULING LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN IT. 
          IT WAS A THREE OR FOUR MONTHS PLUS THE COST OF IT, THE MINIMUM OF $1,500 TO DO A PLAT APPLICATION. 
          BY THE TIME YOU GOT FINISHED WITH ALL OF THAT, ALL THE REPORTS. 
          I MEAN IT'S A HASSLE, BUT THAT'S NOT MY CASE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S NOT VACATION THAT HE'S DUE. 
          REGULATIONS TO TIME ISSUES. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          BUT I CAN BEGIN SELLING IT SHOT OFF THE TIME AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE SHORTEN THE TIME AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I MAY THAT THAT CONCERN IS RESOLVED BY THE, BY THE LEGISLATURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I AGREE THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION FOR THE 10 ACRE EXEMPTION, WHICH, UH, IF YOU HAVE, YOU, YOU'VE SOLD PROPERTY ALONG THE, THE, UH, THE COUNTY ROAD OR A FARM TO MARKET ROAD AND YOU HAVE AN EXCESS PROPERTY IN THE BACK AND YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THAT INTO GREATER THAN 10 ACRE TRACKS. 
          AND I HAVE AMPLE WATER FOR LET'S SAY 50 ACRES, FIVE, 10 ACRE TRACKS IN THE BACK. 
          THOSE ARE DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE, LET'S SAY, 75 FEET OF FRONTAGE TO ACCESS THAT. 
          AND YOU CAN DO THAT ACCORDING TO THE STATE CODE. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, I ALWAYS REFER BACK TO THE STATE CODE ON THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S MY ISSUE ON THIS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO PLAT 50 ACRES ON THE BACKSIDE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT. 
          SO ISN'T THE STATUTE. 
          SO LOOKING AT TWO, THREE, TWO OH ONE, EACH, ONE OF THOSE ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE STANDALONE PROVISIONS. 
          THEY EXIST WHETHER THE OTHERS, UH, APPLY OR NOT. 
          SO, SO, UH, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PLAN IF, IF YOU LAY OUT A SUBDIVISION OF THE TRACK, RIGHT? UH, IF YOU LAY OUT LOTS, RIGHT, OR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS OR, OR NUMBER THREE, RIGHT? OR IN WHAT, TWO, THREE, TWO OH ONE FIVE IS THE EXEMPTIONS TO THAT. 
          IT PROVIDES THOSE THINGS THAT ALL ARE BASED ON NUMBER THREE. 
          NUMBER THREE IS PRESENT IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE SEVEN EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S THE TRIGGER LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THIS IS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT WITH CONSTRUCTION VERSUS THE GRANNY CLAUSE OR SIMPLY A PROPERTY OWNER THAT WANTS TO CUT HIS TRACK, UH, AND BE EXEMPT FROM THE PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S AN, I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CLOSE, BUT IT'S A MAJOR, CLEARLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST DETERMINE THAT OUR SUBDIVISION, THAT OUR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION RIGS, UH, ADHERE TO THE STATE CODE. 
          BUT IF THAT, IF THEY, IF OUR LANGUAGE DOES IT HERE TO THE STATE CODE, AND AS A POLICY MATTER, WE TO BE, UH, MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN YOU, THEN YOU'D PREFER THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BEING AS RESTRICTIVE IF YOU WANT TO. 
          IT'S SIMPLY A MATTER OF WHAT'S EXEMPT FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS ACCORDING TO STATE CODE IS A REAL PROBLEM. 
          BUT THAT LANGUAGE AND IT CAN BE EASILY FIXED. 
          ALL IT IS NEEDS. 
          IT'S JUST NEED TO INSERT THE LANGUAGE FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IN THERE AS OPPOSED TO 
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THE DIFFERENCE. 
          WELL WE'RE NOT YET. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TODAY. 
          SO ANYBODY ELSE THE INFORMATION, I'M SORRY MOMMY. 
          DANIEL. 
          DANIEL HAS GOTTEN ME INFLAMMATION SO HE WILL REVISE THAT FOR US AND SEND US OUT. 
          I'LL SEND IT TO STAFF AND THEY'LL GET WITH YOU. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THE CHANGE AND SAY YES. 
          KEN, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE LOT FRONTAGE ISSUE TOO? CAUSE I KNOW IT'S A BIG ONE WITH YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT, I HAVE THE, THE LOT ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LOT FRONTAGE, THOSE WERE PLANTED LOTS. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          THE ISSUE OF A NON PLANTED LOT, UH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 60 FEET AND I STILL HAVE REALLY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD WIDTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A WISE CHOICE TO DO 60 MINIMUM 60. 
          IT'S A BIT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IT, IT IS LOTS OUTSIDE OF A SUBDIVISION IF THEY'RE BORDERING A COUNTY ROAD. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REGULATIONS HAVE IT IN THERE LIKE THAT W W WHERE THE WAY IT PERTAINS TO IS LOTS NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SAY IT A LOT. 
          UH, THAT FALLS INTO THE PLASTIC CATEGORY IS THE SAME AS A LOT THAT THAT FALLS OUT OF IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF JURISDICTION, JURISDICTION OVER IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT SUBSECTION IS DIFFERENT UNDERNEATH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT DOES ACTUALLY SPEAK TOWARDS, UM, HOMES OR RESIDENTIAL PLACES THAT ARE BORDERING A COUNTY ROAD. 
          YOU HAVE FLAG LOTS, I THINK IDENTIFIED AS 60 FOOT. 
          OKAY. 
          60 FOOT IS IN HERE AND THEN 75 FOR THE PLATTED LOTS. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HEAR ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH. 
          EVERYTHING. 
          I HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED, THESE ARE ALL TAGS THAT I HAVE, BUT YOU KNOW, AND IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO AS A DEVELOPER, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SAYING, OKAY, DO I UNDERSTAND THESE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU I, AND I DO THIS ALL THE TIME AND I REALLY DON'T, AND I'LL, AND IF YOU GO TO THIS, UH, ON PAGE SEVEN, WHICH IS THE CHART, WE TRIED TO DO A FLOW CHART TO MAKE IT EASY TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          UH, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UM, THE VERY SECOND BOXES, UM, ADDING INFRASTRUCTURE, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? IT SAYS IT'S A YES OR NO QUESTION. 
          AND WHAT IT BASICALLY DOES, IF YOU SAY NO TO ADDING INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU GET TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM TO THE FINAL PLAT PROCESS. 
          IF YOU ARE ADDING INSTRUCTURE, YOU GO IMMEDIATELY TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          WELL, IF YOU TO PAGE ONE 43, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, PAGE ONE 43 UNDER THE DEFINITIONS, IT SAYS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL STREETS, ALLEYS, SIDEWALKS, STORM DRAINAGE, AND HERE'S THE KEY WATER COMMA AND WASTEWATER FACILITIES, COMMA, UTILITIES OR TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. 
          SO VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING I DO IS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THERE IS NO DESIGNATION OF A SIMPLIFIED PLAN AT THAT POINT. 
          SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M ADDING A WATER LINE TO A VERY SIMPLE SUBDIVISION THAT I WANT TO FLAT, I IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO ANSWER YES ON THIS, WHICH TAKES ME TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          FOLLOW MY THINKING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS ON PAGE 19 4.02 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FLOW CHART, JUST STEER ME TO 4.02 SAYS PRELIMINARY PLAT SECTION B APPLICABILITY. 
          NO SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE ALLOWED WITHOUT PROPER SUBMITTAL AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT UNLESS THE INSTALLATION AND OR CONSTRUCTION OF ROAD AND DRAINAGE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IS NOT NECESSARY. 
          NUMBER TWO, IN CASES WHERE ROAD AND DRAINAGE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT NEEDED OR WILL NOT BE INSTALLED, THE APPLICANT MAY PROCEED TO THE FINAL PLAT PROCESS OUTLINED IN 4.05 SO IT JUST TOLD ME I HAD TO GO DOWN THIS. 
          NOW I CAN SKIP ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN TO THE FINAL PLAT AGAIN. 
          SO IT'S CONFUSING IN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO, TO HAVE AS I MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          IT, IT ALL COME FROM LORD WATER. 
          OH COME FROM NORTH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THIS, I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT I RECEIVED HERE AND IT TELLS ME THAT I HAVE TO GO BACK NOW. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU TOLD ME THAT, THAT THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF CHANGES OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO SHRINK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU WOULD GO BACK DOWN TO YOUR FINAL. 
          THAT WAS CLARIFIED. 
          SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN THE NOTE AND IT GOES BACK AND FORTH. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHAT ABOUT WASTEWATER? A WATER UTILITY PLANS THAT STILL REQUIRE THE M FOR? NO, BECAUSE WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT, THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE, SO IT CHANGES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT CHANGES ALL OF THE ROUTING OF WHERE YOU GO WITH A SIMPLIFIED, YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          MY CONCERN IS AS SIMPLE AS A SIMPLE DEVELOPER SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M EXPECTED 
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TO PROVIDE ALONG WITH THIS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE TRYING TO JUST BUILD UPON, UM, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN DRAINAGE OR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT'D YOU SKIP DOWN TO THE, TO THE FINAL POINT? I THINK SO, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IS MAKING SURE THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT INSPECTING FOR WATER OR ANY TYPE OF WASTEWATER, YES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THERE AND OUR LARGER PLANTS THAT SOMEONE'S HAVING SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT THAT WON'T BE A PART OF THE INSPECTION PROCESS. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN TWEAK AND ADJUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT STANDARD THAT I KNOW YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE WATER WATER SUPPLIER JUST SO WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE HAVING WATER TO THESE LOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I REFER NOW TO YOUR CHECKLIST OVER HERE ON FINAL PLAT CHECKLIST. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SAYS, BECAUSE I'M THINKING NOW ALL I HAVE TO DO IS COME UP WITH A FINAL PLAT AS I GO TO THE CHECKLIST. 
          IT SAYS COMPLETED AND SIGNED SITE DEVELOPMENT AND PLAT APPLICATION APPLICATION FEE, LETTER OF INTENT. 
          BUT HERE ARE THE REQUIRED PLANS, TWO COPIES OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          WELL IT JUST TOLD ME I DIDN'T HAVE TO COME UP AND TWO SETS OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS INCLUDING WATER IF APPLICABLE. 
          WHAT IS IT? WELL YOU WOULD KNOW. 
          AND THAT'S FOR STAFF. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE A FINAL PLAT THAT'S COMING IN AFTER PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHECK OFF THE CLOCK. 
          SO WE'LL ADD ANOTHER THAT SAYS IF APPLICABLE. 
          AND YOU'LL KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T DO A PRELIMINARY CLASS CHECKLIST, NOW HAVE STUFF ON IT THAT PEOPLE PUT IN AIN'T ON. 
          I MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET EACH CHECKLIST TO BEING IDENTICAL TO EACH DEVELOPMENT AND HOPEFULLY AT THE APPLICATION CONFERENCE, BOTH OF THESE THINGS ARE, ARE IRONED OUT. 
          SO IT'S JUST NOT, THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN A VACUUM. 
          THERE'S KNOWLEDGE ON STAFF SIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WITH WHAT STAFF STAFF IS LOOKING AT AND YOU CAN ASK THEM, IS THIS GOING TO BE REQUIRED? BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME TWEAKS WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT EASIER. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU, I MEAN I'M A, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE'S MY REAL PROBLEM IS WE BROUGHT ALL THIS UP THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD THE DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHERE IT FIT IN THIS FLOW CHART. 
          WE ADDRESSED THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE NOTES AND IT'S STILL HERE. 
          SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M THINKING LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE SPENT 200 HOURS TRYING TO DO THIS AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY TAKE ANYTHING I SAID INTO CONSIDERATION AND I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO FROM THIS. 
          AND IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE I LOOKED AT THREE MONTHS AGO WHEN ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          LIKE, DO I EVEN BOTHER? DO I EVEN, IS IT WORTH MY TIME TO GO IN THERE AND TRY TO GIVE MY INPUT ON THIS? A SIMPLE DEVELOPER AND WHERE THIS REALLY IMPACTS IS AS A COUNTY LANDOWNER AND A TAXPAYER, IF I HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE RURAL AND I'M TRYING TO SELL THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO LET'S SAY KENNETH IS A DEVELOPER, IT NO LONGER IS AS VALUABLE AS IT WAS BEFORE THESE SIR, THESE NEW REGULATIONS ARE TOO, TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          AND DEVELOPERS LIKE MYSELF ARE SAYING, I'M JUST GOING TO GO TO ANOTHER COUNTY WHERE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND SO I SIT HERE TODAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EXPECTED FOR ME AS A SIMPLIFIED PLAT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE FOR HIM. 
          SO, YEAH, I AM CONCERNED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE. 
          BUT TO ME, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH AMBIGUITY IN THE LANGUAGE. 
          TOO MANY TECHNICAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT THAT OH, WE'RE THIS CLOSE TO HAVING A SET THAT WE CAN ADOPT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE AT ALL. 
          MAN. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY INPUT ON WHAT, ON WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR WORK. 
          IT  FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I'M MICHELLE SHERVIN. 
          UM, I CURRENTLY WORK IN THE COUNTY SURVEYOR'S OFFICE, UM, AND I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1994 UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF THIS, UM, DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME TO INCLUDE EYES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF JUST LOOKING OUT FOR THE COUNTY. 
          UM, IT, YOU GUYS ARE INVOLVING THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF IT. 
          YOU'RE INVOLVING THE UTILITY SIDE OF IT. 
          YOU'RE INVOLVING THE SURVEYOR SIDE OF IT. 
          UM, I, I'M GLAD TO SEE MATT ATKINS HERE. 
          UM, SERVING FOR COUNTY, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A LOT OF PLANTS. 
          UM, SAME WITH US AS COUNTY SURVEYOR. 
          WE WILL BE REVIEWING FINAL PLATS BEFORE THEY GET PRESENTED TO YOU. 
          UM, SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR INVOLVING US IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, I DO WORRY THAT SAME AS KENNETH, WE'VE SPENT, WE'VE ALL SPENT A LOT OF HOURS, UM, REVIEWING AND GIVING FEEDBACK 
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AND SOMETIMES, UM, JUST ARE NOT SEEING THE RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE, THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE GIVEN. 
          UM, AND MOSTLY MY CONCERN THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WALK IN MY DOOR, WE DO DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE DO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ARE PRESENTING DEVELOPMENT PLATS, UM, FOR REVIEW AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WALK IN MIND ARE THE MOM AND POPS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I DO, UM, HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE REGULATIONS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE PROTECT NOT JUST THE COUNTY AND PROTECT, NOT JUST THE BIG DEVELOPER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN AFFORD TO MAKE DECISIONS AND, AND CHANGES BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE NEEDING. 
          UM, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, WE ARE 100% FOR UPDATING THESE REGULATIONS. 
          THEY ARE IN DIRE NEED OF UPDATING. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION HAS BEEN, UM, THAT WE ARE THE THIRD FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN AMERICA AND OBVIOUSLY AS BUSY AS WE ARE AND AS BUSY AS SOME OF THE OTHER SURVEYORS ARE, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SEE THESE REGULATIONS IN PLACE, BUT WE, WE DON'T THEM TO BE AT THE EXPENSE OF SQUASHING THE LITTLE GUY AND LITTLE GUY. 
          MEANING ONE OF YOU MIGHT HAVE A 50 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU GET DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU DECIDE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR YET. 
          I WANT TO KEEP IT FROM MY KIDS. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE COME TO THE FARM ALL THEIR LIFE AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK BACK AND APPRECIATE AND SHARE. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE I'VE GOT SOME EXPENSES AND SOME BILLS THAT I NEED TO MAKE SURE AND TAKE CARE OF. 
          SO I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, CUT SOME PARCELS OFF THE FRONT. 
          IF THEY NEED TO DO THE PLANNING PROCESS, THEN THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT AS MR. LANE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU ENCUMBER THEM WITH THAT, THERE'S WATER ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN DIRECT THEM THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS ABOUT DIVIDING AND DIVIDING SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXEMPTIONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DIVIDING TO DIVIDE BETWEEN FAMILY MEMBERS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL AND TALKING ABOUT DIVIDING SO THEY CAN SELL OFF SOME PROPERTY. 
          THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE REST OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT KIND OF COMES INTO WHERE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE PLOTTED LOTS HAVING 75 FOOT OF ROAD FRONTAGE VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE RESERVED STRIPS. 
          AND SO WE TRY TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO THAT THEY THINK LONGTERM, NOT JUST ABOUT THE TRACK THAT THEY ARE CUTTING OFF, BUT THAT WE WANT THEM TO MAKE SURE TO RETAIN SOMETHING DESIRABLE. 
          SOMETHING THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THEY DECIDE TO PARCEL IT UP AND DIVIDED EVEN MORE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE ABILITIES BUT THAT FOR THE LOTS THAT ARE PLANTED AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PLOTTED LOTS AND NON PLATTED LOTS THAT THEY FOLLOW THE RULES WITH 75 FOOT OF ROAD FRONTAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I DO HAVE, AS I'VE HAD WITH EVERY OTHER REVISION, LOTS OF NOTES. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I CAN GO THROUGH, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND DISCUSS WITH THEM. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WAS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANNING. 
          AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE AND, AND DESCRIBING THE RESTRICTIONS, WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT PLANTS ARE BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE IN SURVEYING, UM, IS WHAT KIND OF PLANTS ARE BEING RECORDED. 
          UM, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE AS, AS MANY HAVE SAID HERE, THESE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. 
          THESE THINGS ARE HERE TO LAST AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PUT IN PLACE AND DONE INAPPROPRIATE MANNER SO THAT THEY, THEY CAN WITHSTAND TIME. 
          SO BECAUSE THE MAIN PURPOSE OF A PLAT IS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE DIVISION OF LAND, YOU WANT TO CLEARLY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A PLANT AND SEE THE DIMENSIONS, THE ACREAGE, HOW IT, UM, HAS ACCESS WITH ROAD. 
          UM, OF COURSE YOU WANT TO HAVE THE DEDICATIONS IN PLACE. 
          YOU WANT TO HAVE, UM, A SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAIN FOCUS OF A FINAL PLAT ON A MENDING PLAT 
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OR A REPLAT IS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT CHART IS LAID OUT SO THAT NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTION. 
          THE NEIGHBOR SAYS, OH, YOU'RE FIVE FOOT INTO MY PROPERTY. 
          WELL, THIS LAW CLEARLY DEFINES THE DIMENSIONS, THE, UM, BEARINGS AND DISTANCES OF THAT TRACT OF LAND. 
          SO THERE'S VERY CLEAR. 
          SO IN SAYING THAT, I DON'T WANT A PLAT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT BEING THE MAIN FOCUS BECAUSE WHEN SURVEYORS, WHEN HOMEOWNERS GO OVER TO THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE TO LOOK AT A PLAT, A TITLE COMPANY GOES OVER THERE, A LENDER GOES OVER THERE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, WHAT IS THE IMPACT, HOW IS IT ACCESSED? BUT IT'S NOT SO CLUTTERED UP WITH OTHER THINGS THAT WE MISSED THAT. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT IN ALL OF THESE REALLY TIGHT AND, UM, VERY BUSY RESTRICTIONS. 
          CASE IN POINT. 
          IN THE FINAL PLAT, UM, PROCESS. 
          THERE ARE A BUNCH OF UM, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? THERE ARE A BUNCH OF UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR DEDICATIONS, UM, AND RESTRICTIONS AND NOTATIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PLAT AS THE COUNTY SURVEYOR'S OFFICE. 
          THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CHECK FOR CURRENTLY. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY UM, NOTATIONS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAT. 
          THINGS LIKE THOROUGHFARE, THINGS LIKE, UM, THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN DEDICATED IF THERE'S DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AN EASEMENT NOTATION, UM, NOTING IF A PROPERTY IS IN A FLOOD ZONE OR NOT. 
          THOSE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT THINGS AND THEY ARE PUT ON THE PLATE AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CHECK FOR. 
          WHAT I'VE DONE IS BASED ON THE RESTRICTIONS AS THEY'RE WRITTEN TODAY ON THE SIZE OF PLAT THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE RECORDED, WHICH IS AN 18 INCH BY 24 INCH PLAT. 
          I'VE, I'VE DRAWN UP A PLAT THAT SHOWS JUST THE NOTATIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUIRED. 
          AND BEAR IN MIND THAT I'VE DONE THESE AT A SIZE 10 AND SIZE 11 BECAUSE WHEN THEY GET FILED AT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, EVEN THOUGH MY LAURA IS PROVIDED, UM, VERY OFTEN WHEN THOSE ARE COPIED, THEY GET A LITTLE BLURRY. 
          SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE NOTATIONS ARE WRITTEN IN A SIZE THAT'S LEGIBLE. 
          UM, THE PROBLEM IS IN THIS LEGIBLE SIZE, WE NOW NO LONGER HAVE ROOM TO DO THE DRAWING. 
          SO CASE IN POINT, THIS IS WHAT A PLOT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THE DRAWING, WITH JUST THE NOTATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY YOUR RESEARCH, YOUR REGULATIONS AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW IN THE DRAFT. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE HOW MUCH ROOM WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT THE ACTUAL DRAWING OF THE LOTS. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING SIGHT OF THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND A PLAT. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE ARE CLUTTERING UP THE PLATTE WITH THINGS LIKE TOO MUCH NOTATION, UM, TO COVER THE COUNTY. 
          UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT I'M SAYING ARE THERE OTHER PLACES THEY CAN BE PUT? ARE THERE THINGS THAT SOME OF WHICH ARE IMPORTANT, LIKE THOROUGHFARE, UM, THAT SHOULD STILL REMAIN ON THE PLAT OR THE NOTATION THAT IT'S IN A FLOOD ZONE OR NOT. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER NOTATIONS THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ROOM FOR THE LOTS ANYMORE. 
          I EVEN SAVE ROOM FOR THE FIELD NOTES AND THE NOTATION WHERE THE, THE DEDICATION OF THE OWNER AND THE NOTARY STAMP THAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THE TITLE BLOCK SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PLOT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION IS. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S, WHAT SURVEY IT COMES OUT OF AND WHAT COUNTY IT'S IN. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WHAT OUR POTS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE BASICALLY HAVE CREATED A WHOLE SECOND PAGE OF NOTATIONS. 
          SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, THAT YOU NOW ARE CREATING YOURSELF TWO AND THREE AND FOUR PAGE PLOTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FILED. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS FROM DAY ONE WE HAVE ASKED FOR THESE TO BE USER FRIENDLY BECAUSE OF THE MOM AND POPS BECAUSE OF THE TINY DEVELOPERS. 
          UM, IN SAYING THAT, AND IT WASN'T 
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JUST OUR OFFICE, IT WAS MOST EVERYONE THAT ATTENDED THE MEETINGS THAT FROM THE FOREFRONT WE HAVE ALSO, WE WANTED THESE TO BE USER FRIENDLY CONSISTENTLY WITH EVERY DRAFT. 
          EVERY DRAFT HAS GOTTEN LARGER. 
          THAT WORRIES ME BECAUSE IF I SEND MY MOM AND POP TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY, EITHER THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON ME TO HANDHOLD THEM, WHICH I DO. 
          UM, OR THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY BY SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS READING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE, UM, THE SECOND DOCUMENT THAT HAS THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAS CHECKLISTS IN IT. 
          IN SAYING THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHECKLIST AND THE NOTATIONS IN THE CHECKLIST MATCH WITH WHAT'S IN THIS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE SOME NOTATIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THAT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER BIG THINGS FROM A SERVING STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE PUSHED FROM DAY ONE IS A REPLAT. 
          SO FOR A LONG TIME IN A LOT OF THESE DRAFTS, A REPAT WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN THIS FINAL DRAFT. 
          THEY HAVE ADDED SOMETHING CALLED A REVISION OF A PLAT. 
          FROM A SURVEYING STANDPOINT, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE CONFUSION ABOUT REVISION OF A PLAQUE. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE DEFINITION IN THE CURRENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED DEFINE A REPLAT BASICALLY THE SAME AS AN AMENDING PLAT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF DISTINGUISH FOR YOU GUYS ON THE PANEL, UM, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT DANIEL DID THE SAME THING, SO, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE IT CAUSE KEN IS HERE. 
          UM, AND AMENDING PLAT JUST MEANS WE'VE LOOKED AT A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN FILED AND WE FOUND SOME MISTAKES. 
          MAYBE IT'S A DISTANCE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A, A, A NOTATION IN THE FIELD NOTES, UM, ABOUT AN INCORRECT, UM, UH, REFERENCE TO AN A DEED OR AN OWNER. 
          UM, MAYBE THERE'S SPELLING ERRORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST ERRORS AND OMISSIONS. 
          IT'S BASICALLY WE MADE A BOOBOO, LET'S FIX IT. 
          NO LOT LINES CHANGE AT ALL WHEN A LOT LINE CHANGES. 
          SO LET'S SAY YOU'VE GOT A 20 LOT SUBDIVISION AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, NINE ACRE LOTS AND SOMEBODY BUYS ONE OF THOSE NINE ACRE LOTS AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'D REALLY LIKE TO DIVIDE THAT INTO SOME SMALLER LOTS BECAUSE I THINK I, I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEM. 
          UM, AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED BY THE DEED COVENANTS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN BASICALLY THE PROCESS WOULD BE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAT OF LET'S SAY THE CATES EDITION. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THE KATE'S EDITION THAT HAS 20 LOTS THAT ARE ALL NINE ACRE LOSS. 
          TERRY, BARBARA COMES AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO BUY ONE LOT. 
          THAT'S NINE ACRES. 
          I WANT TO REDIVIDE IT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT RESTRICTS HIM FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE IS WHAT'S CALLED A REPLANT. 
          THAT MEANS TERRY'S MAKING THAT THREE, THREE ACRE TRACKS INSTEAD OF A NINE ACRE TRACK. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ANYBODY BY SAYING THAT WE'RE REVISING A PLAT BECAUSE REVISING MIGHT BE, WE HAD AN ERROR THAT'S AN AMENDING PLAT. 
          THE SURVEYING WORLD KNOWS THESE AS REPLAT, SO I'M, I'M REALLY PUSHING THAT THIS BE REWORDED AND CALLED REPLAT. 
          THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CALLS THEM REPLANTS. 
          I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY ROOM FOR CONFUSION. 
          SO A REPLAT WOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE LOT LINES, WHETHER YOU WERE TAKING A LOT AND MAKING THREE, THREE ACRE LOTS OR YOU'RE TAKING TWO LOTS AND YOU'RE COMBINING THEM BECAUSE YOU WANT THE MIDDLE LINE TO GO AWAY. 
          YOU DON'T WANT THAT BUILDING LINE TO BE THERE ANYMORE, SO YOU HAVE TO REPLAT IT AND CREATE THIS NEW LOT. 
          THAT'S A REPLAT. 
          I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SECTION IN THESE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS REVAMPED SO THAT IT REFLECTS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          AND THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION THAT IS JUST A REVISION OF A PLAT, BUT THIS IS A TRUE INTENDED REPLY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN CALLED ALL ALONG. 
          I JUST WANT TO REDUCE ANY CONFUSION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO MENTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIMPLIFIED PLATS. 
          UM, THERE'S A MENTION IN THE REGULATIONS 
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RIGHT NOW ABOUT CONTOURS BEING ON A FINAL PLAT. 
          I'VE ALREADY SHOWN YOU, AND THIS IS, THIS IS IN RELATION TO, UM, PLANTS THAT ARE IN FLOOD ZONES. 
          WHEN WE DO CONTOURS AND CONTOURS, ANYTHING THAT'S IN A FLOOD ZONE REQUIRES THAT YOU PREPARE A PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT THE CONTOUR SO THAT WHEN YOU VERY FIRST LOOKED AT THIS SUBDIVISION, YOU SEE ALL OF THE CONTOURS, HOW THE WATER'S GONNA FLOW. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF, OF UH, A PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          THE REGULATIONS AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW BEING PROPOSED, STILL HAVE THAT. 
          IF YOU'RE IN A FLOOD ZONE, THAT THOSE CONTOURS ARE STILL GOING TO BE ON THE PLAT. 
          WELL, I'VE ALREADY SHOWN YOU ON THE FINAL PLAN. 
          I'VE ALREADY SHOWN YOU HOW BUSY THIS FINAL PLAT ALREADY GOT. 
          NOW YOU HAVE YOUR LOT'S JOHN ON THERE AND NOW YOU HAVE ALL THE SQUIGGLY LINES THAT SHOW THE CONTOURS. 
          I CAN'T EVEN READ WHERE MY DIMENSIONS ARE ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH COVERING IT UP. 
          WE'VE AGAIN LOST SIGHT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S COHESIVE AND LONGSTANDING THAT WILL BE LEGIBLE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUE INTENTION STAYS WITH SHOWING LOTS. 
          UM, UH, THERE IS ONE OTHER MENTION ALSO IN THERE ABOUT THE COUNTY SURVEYOR REVIEWING, UM, PRELIMINARY PLATS. 
          WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I WILL GET WITH DANIEL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT NOTATION GETS TAKEN OUT. 
          BUT SO I'M CLEAR WITH ALL OF YOU, THE COUNTY SURVEYOR REVIEWS FINAL PLANS ONLY. 
          AND OUR JOB IN DOING THAT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT ONE IS PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT WE HAVE RUN CLOSURES ON THOSE LOTS. 
          THEY ALL, THEY ALL CHECK, THEY HAVE ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND NOTATIONS THAT YOU WANT LISTED ON THE PLAT, THAT THOSE ARE ALL ON THERE SO THAT YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE SERVING INDUSTRY HAS JUST DOUBLE CHECKED AND MADE SURE THAT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED MATCHES WITH WHAT YOUR RESTRICTIONS SAY. 
          SO THAT'S, AND THE ENGINEERING FIRM DOES THE SAME THING. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS, UM, EARLIER I GOT THE IMPLICATION THAT UM, IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON A, FOR A FINAL PLAT. 
          UM, DANIEL HAD MENTIONED THAT WHEN THE FINAL PART IS PRESENTED, IT'S AFTER ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY PUT IN AND YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT SITUATION. 
          UM, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN THE FINAL PLAT GETS SHOWN TO YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT NEW ROAD DRAWN ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S USUALLY DONE. 
          THAT WOULD INCLUDE A WHOLE NOTHER STEP IN THE SERVING PROCESS. 
          SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IN PLACE, IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT BEFORE A FINAL PLOT IS PRESENTED THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU GUYS WANT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SHOWN ON THAT FINAL PLAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S DONE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, A FINAL PART IS PRESENTED WITH THE PROPER RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE, UH, ROADWAY. 
          UM, ANY THOROUGHFARE DEDICATION IS SHOWN. 
          SO THE INTENTION OF WHERE THE, THE ROAD WOULD GO IS SHOWN, BUT THE ACTUAL ROAD IS NOT SHOWN ON THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE ADDING A WHOLE LEVEL OF, OF ANOTHER SITE VISIT AND HAVING THAT ALL INCLUDED, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO UNDERSTAND FOR SURVEYING SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN OTHER SURVEYORS PRESENT THEIR PLANS TO US FOR REVIEW, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING EXPECTED. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE SOME, SOME TIME TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. 
          I'VE APPRECIATED BEING PART OF THIS, UM, COMMITTEE. 
          I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UH, I THINK IT IS LONG OVERDUE. 
          UM, I THINK THE BURDEN IS HEAVY BURDEN IS HEAVY FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          I KNOW THEIR HEAD IS EVERY DAY ON A PLATE. 
          I KNOW THE BURDEN IS HEAVY FOR YOU AS COMMISSIONERS COURT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSTITUENTS LOOK TO YOU AND I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE, WE SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEM FIRST AND FOREMOST. 
          UM, EVEN ASIDE FROM THE DEVELOPERS, UM, I LOOK AT A MOM AND POP AS A DEVELOPER. 
          SO JUST I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU ALL. 
          I KNOW WE'RE PROTECTING OUR COUNTY. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GROWTH COMING IN. 
          A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY HERE, SO WE NEED THESE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT WE NEED THEM. 
          WE NEED A LOT MORE EYES TO REVIEW THESE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE 
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WITH IT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND YOU AND US, WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT ALL THE FEEDBACK AND THE UPSET IF THESE ARE TOO DIFFICULT TO DO. 
          SO I JUST CAUTION A LOT OF HOURS HAVE BEEN PUT IN THIS ON ALL FRONTS. 
          SO VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. 
          IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS AND I THINK YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, BUT GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH DOESN'T JUST MEAN PUTTING THE BURDEN ON FREESE AND NICHOLS FREESE AND NICHOLS HAS BEEN PAID TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR BECAUSE THERE AGAIN, YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE PAYING FOR THIS. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT'S THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          I THINK A LOT OF GREAT WORK HAS BEEN PUT IN THIS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE WITH THESE REGULATIONS, BUT THEY DO STILL NEED SOME, SOME WORK. 
          SO PLEASE DON'T HURRY THIS PROCESS. 
          BUT CAN I JUST ASK YOU, WHAT'S YOUR, IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION BACK TO YOUR POINT REGARDING ALL THE ANNOTATIONS THAT ARE ON A PLAT AND SPACE LIMITATION, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION HOW THE, HOW THOSE ANNOTATIONS SHOULD WORK? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A SUBDIVISION THEMSELVES, LIKE THOROUGHFARE, UM, LIKE THE NOTATION OF, OF IF IT IS OR IS NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN, JUST THAT NOTATION THAT IT IS OR IS NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I THINK THE REST, THE, THE DETAIL CAN MAYBE BE INCLUDED IN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT IS SUBMITTED WITH THE PLAT. 
          I JUST HATE TO SEE ALL OF THESE, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN ONE ALONE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF FLOODPLAIN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR COUNTY IS FACING A LOT OF WETNESS. 
          UM, SO FLOODPLAIN IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR ALL OF US. 
          BUT, WELL I GUESS I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION. 
          I KNOW YOU SHOW THIS AMOUNT OF WORK, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, CAUSE I KNOW THE CITIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THIS IDENTICAL SAME PROBLEM THAT, SO WHAT'LL THEY DO? I MEAN CAUSE THEY PUT THIS MANY, SOME OF THEM PUT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          WE'VE DEALT WITH DO NOT PUT NEAR THIS. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME OF THEM NOTATIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, ALL OF THEM NECESSARILY BELONG ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET. 
          AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT THAT IS AN ILLEGAL, UH, RESPONSE? IT HAS TO BE, UH, OWN THE DRAWING ITSELF OR DOES THE DRAWING ITSELF HAS TO BE A SMALL SECTION AND THEN YOU CAN GET A BLOWN UP VERSION OF JUST THE, A LOT, MOST OF THE NOTATIONS ARE JUST THERE FOR CONSUMER PROTECTION TYPE REASONS, YOU KNOW, FOR IN FUTURE WHEN YOU DO A LAND SALE TRANSACTION. 
          SO IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS HOW YOU WANT IT. 
          SO I GUESS I'D GO BACK THOUGH PHRASING NICKEL JUST A LITTLE BIT AND ASK THEM VERY SIMPLY, IS IT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE CAN PUT ON A SECOND PAGE OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE COULD GO TO A TWO PAGE PLAN IN OAKLAND. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE I, WHILE I RECOGNIZE, UH, PEN AND INK IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND NECESSITIES FOR THAT. 
          ULTIMATELY, A LOT OF THIS IS BEING DIGITIZED FOR RECORDING ANYWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, BUT, BUT YOU STILL REQUIRE THE HARD COPIES AND THE MYLARS BECAUSE THE MYLARS ARE WHAT CAN, OKAY. 
          AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FROM A SURVEY STANDPOINT. 
          IF I GO OVER AND LOOK AT A RECORDED PLAT AND THE COPY THAT HAS BEEN SCANNED IN FOR THEM TO JUST PRINT OUT FOR ME IS NOT LEGIBLE BECAUSE THE LETTERING IS SO SMALL THAT I HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT, OKAY, THERE'S A MENTION OF A BUILDING LINE OR THE THOROUGHFARE. 
          IF I CAN'T READ IT, THEN THAT PRESENTS A PROBLEM IN OUR INDUSTRY BECAUSE NOW WE CAN'T READ IT. 
          SO THE, THE MYLARS ARE THERE AS A BACKUP FOR THE COUNTY AT LEAST. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, UM, JUST IN OUR RESEARCH, WE HAVE HAD TO ASK THE COUNTY TO PULL OUT THE ORIGINAL COPY BECAUSE THE SCAN COPY IS SO, UM, IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO READ. 
          WE HAVE TO TRY TO INTERPRET, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE SIZE ON THIS? UH, WE HAVE, WHAT IS THIS DISTANCE? IS IT A SIX OR IS IT AN EIGHT? WE CAN'T READ IT BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OTHER STUFF IN THE WAY THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE 
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THE DRAWING BIG ENOUGH TO BE LEGIBLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE AGREE WITH YOU IN PRINCIPLE, BUT I MEAN WITH THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE THIS CONSUMER PROTECTION INFORMATION THEN, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY RESOLUTION IS JUST TO GO TO A TWO PAGE OR HOWEVER MANY PAGE PLAT IS REQUIRED TO, TO HAVE A SUFFICIENT DRAWING AND THE UM, THE CONSUMER PROTECTION TYPE ANNOTATIONS. 
          SO I MEAN I THINK YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID, BUT I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS IT. 
          HOW MANY PAGES IS THIS A PAGE? ONE, TWO, ONE, TWO, THREE. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. 
          AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GUIDE OR IF, BECAUSE SOME OF THE NOTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR FOREVER BLOCKING THE FLOW OF WATER, THAT'S A NOTATION THAT'S ON THERE. 
          UM, THAT COPLAN COUNTY WON'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATION OF DRAINAGE WISE. 
          THAT'S, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS. 
          BUT NOW YOU'RE ADDING AND WE'VE ADDED THE CULVERT STATEMENT, BUT NOW YOU'RE ADDING, UM, WON'T BE AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE. 
          WELL, YOU'VE GOT, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UH, WELL, I MEAN THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO READ THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THAT WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDED TO BE ON THERE. 
          SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEM OFF. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK WE CAN GET THIS ADDRESSED RIGHT, THE WAY THEY DO IT AND NOT CLUTTER UP THE, THE MENTIONS OF. 
          YEP. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY SIMPLE. 
          SO CAN I ASK, I MEAN, MAX HERE, HE'S BEEN HAVING TO SIT THROUGH ALL OF THIS. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD MR LION TALK AND YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL THESE PLANTS, RIGHT? AND REVIEWING THEM ALL. 
          AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB ADEQUATELY AND EASILY. 
          AND I'LL STEP ASIDE AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR LETTING ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS. 
          KEEP WORKING HARD. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MY NAME IS MATT ATKINSON, LATINO AND PERKINS. 
          FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME. 
          UM, MR HOWLETT WITH YOU, WITH YOUR QUESTION THERE, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, YOU ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND AS FAR AS MY REVIEW OR REVIEWING THESE, UH, PLANS FOR THE PLATS, UM, MICHELLE LANE HAS SOME VALID POINTS REGARDING THE, THE APPLICABILITY OF THE, OF THE, UM, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND THE LEGALITY OF THOSE. 
          I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD, THOSE ARE GOING TO CORRECT FROM THE SURVEY STANDPOINT. 
          UM, JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE LANGUAGE ON THE PLATS WHICH WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE THEM TO GO TO TWO PAGES, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT DEAL. 
          UM, BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, MR CAKES THAT THE EVERYTHING IS GOING DIGITAL. 
          FOR INSTANCE, ROCKWALL RIGHT NOW, UM, ROCKWELL COUNTY DOES NOT TAKE MY ART. 
          LIKE THEY TAKE THEM OUT LONGER, BUT THEY GIVE THEM RIGHT BACK TO YOU. 
          THEY DON'T KEEP THEM. 
          THEY'RE GOING ALL DIGITAL, UH, WITH THE NEW STUFF IN THE CAPABILITY OF SCANNING ITEMS. UM, I THINK THE QUALITY IS THERE THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE IN, IN MOST OF THEM. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, OKAY. 
          YES, YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY. 
          SEE THAT IT'S LEGIBLE AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          UM, SO FROM A REVIEW STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A BIG DEAL TO ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          UM, FROM HOW YOU WANT TO GO ON THE AD. 
          I THINK THE SIMPLE ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE END USER OUT OF ALL OF THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES SIR. 
          WE'VE KNOWN A FEW OF THEM AND WORKING WITH STAFF SO FAR HAS BEEN EXCELLENT. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT ALSO ON THE DEVELOPMENT STUFF AND IF YOU'VE EVER GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, WHERE'S YOUR DANCE FROM? THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT SHOWS UP IN MY OFFICE. 
          THEY BRING ME COFFEE IN THE ENROLLED THAT'S AT HOME AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT IT. 
          BUT WE DO RIGHT NOW AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE ELIMINATED IN THE FUTURE. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S JUST THE PROCESS, RIGHT, WE CAN, WE CAN FIX THE, THIS, THIS, THE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A PROBLEM AT ALL. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD THING TO BRING IT UP, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CLUTTER IT EITHER. 
          WE OWN EVERYTHING, UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING AND UNDERSTAND IT. 
          REBECCA, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS. 
          AND MONIQUE AS WELL. 
          UM, I, WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS, I DIDN'T SEE, AND FRANKLY IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THEN, IS THERE 
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AN, IS THERE ENABLING, UM, AUTHORITY TO SPECIFY THE FORMAT OF THE PLAT? IN OTHER WORDS, UH, AND MAYBE THIS ISN'T EVEN THE RIGHT, UH, FORM, BUT I MEAN, DO, ARE WE MAKING PROVISIONS TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION TO DIGITIZING THESE KINDS OF RECORDS? UH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE WORD MYLAR AND THAT SORT OF THING IS ADDRESSED IN THESE REGULATIONS. 
          IT'S ASKING THEM TO SUBMIT ELECTRONIC COPY. 
          IT'S ASKING FOR THE SHAPE IS FOR, SO THAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND YOU KNOW, OR THE DWG THAT MEAN IT DOES HAVE ALL OF THE, UM, FUTURE LANGUAGE FOR, UH, E-FILING OR ELECTRIC FILING OR PAPERLESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY. 
          IF, IF AT SOME POINT THROUGH POLICY WE DETERMINED THAT WE'RE GONNA ADOPT, SAY, THE ROCKWALL COUNTY MODEL. 
          AND AND HAVE ELECTRONIC FILING AND ELECTRONIC PRESERVATION. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS A SPECIAL DEDICATED FOND THAT THEY USE SPECIFICALLY FOR DIGITIZING AND KEEPING PLAT RECORDS. 
          KEEP THEM, I KEEP THEM FOR MY OWN RECORDS, BUT THEY ACTUALLY WANT THEIR FILES AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE THEN SHE ACTUALLY, SHE'S MANDATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. 
          LIKE MAYBE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE, UH, RESPONSIVE TO THE CHANGING IN TECHNOLOGY THAT, THAT AT SOME POINT WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN AN ALL DIGITAL RECORD. 
          SO THINK THAT LANGUAGE, IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T EXIST IN SOME OTHER CODE OR IN THE CLERK'S AUTHORITY, THEN PERHAPS THAT OUGHT TO BE ANNOTATED IN HERE. 
          SO, WELL WE WON'T, WE WON'T EVER BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BUT COMES THERE'S LAWS SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP CERTAIN ONES. 
          SO I MEAN THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, BUT TO, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          PUSH OUT YOUR, YOUR MOM AND POPS. 
          AS MICHELLE WAS SAYING, THERE IS A WORDING IN HERE WHERE THEY CAN STILL SUBMIT A PAPER PLAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINEER. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR LAND, THEY HIRED A SURVEYOR, SPLIT IT UP FOR ME. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THAT DIGITAL COPY. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT DESIGNED IT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WELL IT SAYS PURVEYOR WHEN THE SURVEYORS AT SOME POINT WHEN LEGISLATION, BECAUSE IT'S UP TO THE SURVEYOR, WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO ELECTRONIC OR PAPER WITH, IT'S GOING TO BE, BY THE TIME THAT CHANGES, IT WOULD REQUIRE LEGISLATION TO FORCE THEM TO GO PAPERLESS, JUST LIKE THEY WOULD THE COURT SYSTEM WHEN THE E FILE. 
          SO YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THAT OPTION. 
          SO WE MUST KEEP THAT OPTION IN OUR RANKS IF WE WANT TO BE VERSATILE FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          WELL I KNOW A LOT OF SURVEYORS NOW PROBABLY ARE ELECTRONIC, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY THAT SOME OF THEM MAY COME OUT WITH AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE IS THAT ONE LITTLE THING. 
          AND IT'S ON THEIR PHONE. 
          I MEAN WHY ARE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRONIC, I'M GLAD THAT THEY'VE INCORPORATED THE ABILITY FOR BOTH OPTIONS BECAUSE THE SURVEY, YOU, I KNOW, I GET IT. 
          I GET THAT. 
          SO WE LEFT, WE LEFT THE PAPER IN THERE TO STILL BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE PAPER, UM, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. 
          BUT OUR REGS DO COVER US ELECTRONICALLY AND SHAPE FILES AND DWGS AND SO WE ARE EQUIPPED FOR THE FUTURE WITH THESE RIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY'S CHANCE TO THINK THEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK YOU REMEMBER I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE POINT MICHELLE MADE ABOUT THE FINAL PLAT AND HAVING THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THERE. 
          I WOULD NEVER EXPECT TO SEE A RHODES OR IMPROVEMENTS, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, CULVERTS OR WHATEVER SHOWN ON A FINAL PLAT. 
          THAT'S A LAND DIVIDING DOCUMENT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OR NOT. 
          I HAVEN'T STUDIED IT WELL ENOUGH, UM, TO, TO KNOW THAT. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE ON THE, ON A FINAL PLOT. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I HAVEN'T READ IT YET. 
          THAT'S NOT THE INTENT TO HAVE THE ROAD ON THERE. 
          IT'S JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO RIGHT AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT ON THERE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LAND OR LAND SUBDIVISION AND SHOW THE ACTUAL WATER LINES. 
          THERE'S A PIECE OF A DEDICATED WATER LINE THAT'S TO A PUBLIC ENTITY, SIDEWAY DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS, MAN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE? UH, MEASURE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          NO, YOU NO ONE. 
          NO, NO, YOU DONE GOT A ONE O'CLOCK MAN. 
          WAIT. 
          WELL, IF SOMEBODY GAVE ME A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE AN EMOTION FROM TERRY MAMA AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER. 
          KATE'S ON FAVOR? LET'S MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU.
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