Mar 17, 2020 Special Commissioners Court

SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU I'M THE PRETTY FACE.

I'VE GOT STAFF BACK AT THE OFFICE THAT DOES ALL THAT STUFF.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, THEN I AGREE WITH YOU.

MY SON, MY, YOU'RE ASKED TO APPROVE IT BEFORE IT GETS PAID ANYWAY.

SO YEAH, SO WHAT TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, WE'RE INVOLVED IN IT.

UH, THE, WE GET THE INVOICES, WE REVIEW THEM, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE AUDITOR, UH, TO APPROVE THEM.

WE GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, SO TO INITIAL AND TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OR AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UH, AND THEN WE SUBMIT THEM FOR, UH, FOR PAYMENT.

AND, AND WE DO THAT FOR ALL OF OUR CLIENTS, FOR ALL OF OUR BOND PROGRAMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE CITIES AND OUR LOCAL OR A CONTRACTOR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE AND WE CHECK BYLINE BY CONTRACT REQUIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SUBMITTING INVOICES FOR WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AGREEMENTS THAT I LOVE.

TERRIBLE.

BUT THEY GO SIX, SEVEN MONTHS WITHOUT SUBMITTING A BILL AND THEY SEND US A PHONE BOOK AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH LINE

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ITEM.

SO WE MADE A DEAL WITH TERRELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AS LONG TO PAY HIM AS THEY TAKE TO GET US THE BILL.

I CHANGED THE METHODS WHEN THEY GET THERE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA A OVERVIEW.

I CAN ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF THEY GET TOO DETAILED ON, ON HOW WE CAME UP WITH ESTIMATES.

I'M GOING TO DRAG STAN OR CHRIS UP HERE CAUSE THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE BRAINS.

SO LIKE I SAY, I WAS GONE LAST WEEK SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT TROUBLE I GOT INTO WHILE I WAS GONE.

YES MA'AM.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY SO I CAN ESTABLISH A BUDGET WHEN YOU SAY THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY OR THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS? WELL THERE ARE THOUGH THERE THE LIST THAT WAS IN THE BOND PROGRAM THAT HAD NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LIST.

IT'S BLUE AND GREEN.

WE CAN GET THAT OVER TO YOU.

THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE DOING AND THOSE ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE IN THOSE PROJECTS NOW.

SO THOSE ARE THE BUDGET AND WE CAN GET THOSE TO YOU ESTABLISH THEM AS A A BUDGET.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST ISSUE ONCE HAS THAT LIST OF OF 1718 PROJECTS THAT ARE TOTALED, THE 39 FIVE AND THEN WE ROUND IT UP TO 40 MILLION.

SO EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS HAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THEM ARE ALREADY, WE SEND THAT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT.

BUT THAT'S, YEAH, WELL IT'LL CHANGE.

IT WILL PAY THE ACTUAL COST.

SO IT CAN BE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT YOU CAN SPEND MORE BECAUSE, RIGHT.

SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO LET, LET'S TAKE COMMISSIONER HUNT'S PROJECT.

UM, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED LAST WEEK, BUT THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

ONCE WE GET THE BID IN AND EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S A GOOD AND THE COURT APPROVES IT, IT'LL BE WHAT IT IS.

SO LET'S SAY WAS 1,000,009 AN HOUR? IT'S TWO TO 2.9.

RIGHT? UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DO A FUNDING MEMO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO COVER THAT 2.9 MILLION.

IN THIS CASE, I THINK COMMISSIONER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB TALKING TO, UH, KAUFMAN, UH, RELATED TO TABOR ROAD.

UM, TABOR.

HAD, YOU KNOW, FREESE AND NICHOLS AND UM, WE ALWAYS ROUND UP CAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT WE DO.

UH, SO THERE WAS SOME PROCEEDS IN THERE THAT THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN DO WITHOUT.

AND SO THAT COVERS PART OF IT.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK Y'ALL WERE COMMUNICATING ON COVERING THE REST OF THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS.

EACH TIME WE HAVE A PROJECT IT'LL EITHER BE OVER OR UNDER AND WE'LL MAKE A RAD.

YOU HAVE THE FUNDING MEMO AFTER WORKING WITH INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COURT AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AS WHERE THOSE FRONTS SHOULD COME FROM AND WE'LL SUBMIT YOUR FUNDING MEMO.

SO I MEAN THOSE ARE ESTIMATES.

EVERYTHING'S AN ESTIMATE UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE COURT AND THE AUDITOR SAYS IT'S OKAY, SIGN THE CONTRACT, SIGN THE CONTRACT.

AND EVEN THEN THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WON'T BE THAT CAUSE THEY'LL EITHER GO UP OR DOWN.

PAM MILLION HISPANIC.

THEY'RE GOING TO DEDUCT THEIR FEES.

NO, I THINK THE COMMUNICATION THEY SAID WAS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY, UM, THEY'RE DOING IT WHERE THE, THE, THEY, THEY, YOUR BONDS ARE SO VALUABLE THAT THEY'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THEM.

AND SO THEY'RE TAKING THEIR FEES OUT OF THAT UPSIDE.

SO YOU'LL NET NET $40 MILLION.

IT'S A, THEY SAID THAT BOTH FOR THE ROAD AND THE BUILDINGS.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT VERY GOOD FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND FOLKS THEY CAN VERIFY THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT MY MAN, THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.

THAT'S WHAT GEORGE, I NEVER LIKED TO DISAGREE WITH AN AUDITOR THOUGH.

NOTHING.

I SAID I DON'T LIKE TO DISAGREE WITH AN AUDIT.

I DISAGREE WITH AN AUDITOR.

A SIMPLE SCENE BECAUSE LAST TIME IT WASN'T JUST EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

YEAH, NO, NO, NO I AGREE.

UH, BUT UH, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, AND THIS IS NOT, WE'VE ISSUED SOME OTHER BONDS AND OTHER AREAS, THEY ARE COMING IN LOWER THAN WHAT THE INTEREST RATES WERE, WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING.

PLUS THEY ARE HAVING THOSE UH, COUPON PAYMENTS AT THERE CAUSE THEY WANT OUR, THEY WANT YOUR, YOUR, YOU, THEY WANT YOUR PAPER AND SO THEY'RE PAYING, PAYING EXTRA FOR IT.

SO IT WILL BE 40 MILLION NETTED OUT.

AND SO AS THESE PROJECTS COME FORWARD, THERE'LL BE A PROCESS WE FOLLOW.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, IS THIS THE POINT WHERE I TRY TO LOBBY FOR IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAD SET UP HERE WITH ALL THIS SO WELL THAT'S JUST THE NEXT STEP IS PART OF THAT 40 MILLION INCLUDED.

WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COURT THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A

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SET UP.

YOU IDENTIFY WHAT IS NEXT AFTER THIS FIRST TRUMPS OR PROJECTS.

SO OKAY, WHAT, WHAT I REALLY WANT AND WHAT PROMPTED ME TO GET AGAIN AND STUFF.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE MONEY TO GET ANOTHER ROAD OUT OF MY THREE ROADS THAT I, WHERE MY PRIORITIES WHEN WE MET AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I WANT TO CALL THEM TO TRY AND GET WHAT THEY CAN GET TO.

SO WORKING WITH KAUFFMAN, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW YOU ROUNDED UP.

I GOT SOME BIDS TO GET SOME IDEAS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.

SO TRYING TO FIND THE MONEY FOR MY OTHER ROAD.

I MEAN I INTEND TO DO A ROAD A YEAR FOR THE, FOR THE RURAL RESIDENTS, A KAUFMAN COUNTY.

AND THE ONLY THING I HAD FUNDED IN THIS PIECE OF PAPER WAS HALF OF ONE COUNTY ROAD.

I MEAN I'VE GOT 15,000 FOOT ON A 25,000 FOOT ROAD AND THEN THE ROAD IS ALREADY DOUBLE CHIP SEAL NOW AS IT STANDS.

AND THE WHOLE INTENT AND YOU REPEATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS TO TRY TO, YOU GOT TO IMPROVE THE ROAD SO YOU DON'T WANT TO USE LONGTERM DEBT FOR SHORT TERM MAINTENANCE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE HMAC, WHICH THEY HAD DOUBLE CHIP SEAL, I JUST HAVE HALF THE ROAD FUNDED, NOT EVEN A WHOLE ROAD.

SO I GOT A HALF A ROAD OUT OF THE WHOLE DEAL.

AND OAK RIDGE IS DESPERATE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT LOU'S SHORT SESSION IN THEIR CITY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THAT'S A PRIORITY.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE CONFLICT.

SO I WANT TO ADD MY NUMBER TWO ROAD THAT I ASKED FOR IN OUR MEETINGS AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE EXTRA MONEY TO DO THAT.

THE WAY WE ROUNDED UP ON ALL THE FUNDING.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? I DON'T WANT TO JUST ADD THE ROAD ON THERE JUST TO SAY WE ADDED HUNCH ROAD.

I WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING NEXT YEAR.

I DO ONE ROAD THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR THAT THE FUNDING WILL BE THERE TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO FOR THE SECOND YEAR.

SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO.

YOU GET US THE INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT.

I HAVE, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL WHEN I LAID IT ALL OUT.

NOW, WHEN WAS THAT? LAST WEEK? YEAH.

YEAH, I WAS GONE.

AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF THOSE YET.

I GOT BACK SUNDAY NIGHT.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE LAST MEETING FREESE AND NICHOLS MADE SOME COMMUNICATION THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT I ACTUALLY TALKED TO FREESE AND NICHOLS, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL BRAG GUYS, THEY CAME TO THE TABLE WITH NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OR WHATEVER AND THEY JUST LISTENED TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY.

AND THEY THINK THAT THE MONEY IS THERE THAT WE CAN DO THE SECOND RUN.

SO I MEAN, AND THAT'S, IT'S A PROCESS.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE GIST OF THIS IS I WANTED TO ADD ANOTHER ROAD ADDED.

HOW MUCH IS THIS? WELL, THESE ARE MY ESTIMATES FROM MY VENDORS JUST TO GET, I, WE'VE GOT TO, I GOT TO COME UP WITH AN EXTRA 1.3 MILLION AND THAT'S ME DOING SOME OF THE WORK TO THE CULP REPLACING AND STUFF.

AND THEY LOOK AT MY FIRST BOND PROGRAM.

I WENT BACK AND CHECKED WHERE I GOT HERE WAS IN 1991 SO I'M LIKE NINE MONTHS AWAY FROM 30 YEARS OF DOING THIS.

IF YOU GUYS WILL JUST LET US GET THE INFORMATION RIGHT.

IT'S ALL FLEXIBLE.

AS LONG AS WE DON'T EXCEED WHAT'S A TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE TOTAL BOND PROGRAM BY PRECINCT.

THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH INSIDE POST PRECINCT BOUNDARIES.

SO IF YOU'LL GET THE INFORMATION TO US AND LET US WORK WITH IT, UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THAN WHAT IT LOOKS.

1,000,003.

SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S MONEY THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH YOUR OWN COMMUNITIES TO COVER PART OF THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT IT'S LIKE A 2000 POUND ROCK ON A 2% GRADE.

SO IT'S NOT, SO WHEN COMMISSIONER CAKES, HERE'S A MILLION THREES GOING, HOLY CRAP, HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT ME? AND I'M SELLING THEM.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PLAY.

I JUST WANT TO WORK ON MY CITIES STUFF.

I DON'T WANT TO GO, I DON'T WANT TO GET THERE.

THAT'S YOU'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT WORLD WAR THREE.

NO.

BUT WORKING WITH THE CD ACCOUNT WENT IN THEIR ENGINEERS.

THEY, I GOT THE, I GOT THE YELLOW FLAG ALL MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CROSSES THE LINE FROM YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO.

SO IF I, IF YOU CAN JUST GET US THE INFORMATION, UH, AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU SENT IT TO ME LAST WEEK, SO WE'LL LOOK AT IT.

UH, AND WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU AS CLOSE TO WHAT YOU WANT AS WE CAN, OR IF NOT ALL THE WAY.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

THESE ARE ESTIMATES.

AND IF YOU, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, Y'ALL WEREN'T HERE FOR THE INITIAL PROCESS OF 2013 BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH IN 2013 AND, AND IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET ROLLING,

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IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET IT TO MOVE, BUT ONCE IT STARTS MOVING IT MOVES.

AND SO, UM, YES I UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FREESE AND NICHOLS IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED AND THEN WE CAN GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AS LONG AS WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, HE SHOULDN'T AND WOULDN'T IMPACT THE OTHER PRECINCTS FOR WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO WITH YOURS.

WELL I'M NOT SURE I CAN AGREE WITH YOU THERE, JOHN, BECAUSE LAST WEEK I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS A $500,000 ISSUE NOW.

WELL WHAT, WHAT WHEN I FOUND MONEY WAS WHEN YOU ROUNDED UP FROM 39 FIVE.

AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE LIQUIDITY OF IT GOING FORWARD BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT OUT OF MONEY, RIGHT? UNTIL YOU'RE OUT OF MONEY.

BUT THAT I'M ALSO GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GO THERE YET BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND MONEY.

AND THEN WHEN THE RAMP, LET, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT HALF A MILLION IS, IS, COULD BE APPLIED TO ALL FOUR PRECINCTS.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS WHERE I'M FINDING MY MONEY TO TRY TO FUND THIS.

AND THEN THE CITY OF KAUFFMAN ACTUALLY REQUESTED FOUR AND A HALF MILLION AND THEY ROUNDED IT UP $500,000.

SO BETWEEN THE TWO, THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? THAT I CAN GET TO WORK WITH THEM.

NO, NO.

SO, SO LET ME BEFORE, I KNOW YOU CAN JUST BE, THIS IS JUST ME LOOKING AT YOU.

HOLD ON.

ESPECIALLY JUST ME LOOKING FOR DOLLARS.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND UH, UH, BELIEVE ME, I WANNA I WANT TO DO WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYBODY'S CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.

UH, EVERYBODY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT PUTTING THESE ESTIMATES.

UH, YOU KNOW, I RECOGNIZE THEM AS ESTIMATES OUT OVER THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS AND CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.

SO, SO I HAVE TWO ROADS SUBSEQUENT TO OUR MEETINGS THAT WEATHER HAS JUST, UM, DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED.

SO, SO I COULD EASILY SIT HERE AND, AND ADD UP 500,000 BECAUSE I'VE HAD CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN AS WELL.

AND I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ALL OF THIS IS AN ESTIMATE.

SO, UH, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY FINAL AGREEMENTS HERE BECAUSE, UH, I DO THINK A MILLION, A MILLION, MILLION FIVE IS A HUGE CHANGE FROM MONTHS OF PLANNING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.

SO AS LONG AS WE CAN, UH, UH, AGREE TO BE JUDICIOUS IN HOW WE DO IT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU IN YOUR REQUEST.

BUT, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED FOR US ALL.

YEAH, WELL THIS IS NOT CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGING.

WE HAD OUR MEETING, I SELECTED MY THREE ROADS THAT I PUT A PRIORITY ON AND I WENT WITH JOHN AND WE WENT TO THE CITY.

THEY TOLD US THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

WE WENT TO OAK RIDGE, THEY TOLD US THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND THEN IT WENT BACK AND THEN IT CAME BACK JANUARY TO THE JUDGE AND JERRY, WE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING.

WHAT OUR DEAL WAS, I CALLED HIM BACK THE LIST OF ALL INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COURT INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW THAT WELL, IN FEBRUARY, IN FEBRUARY, THIS WAS JANUARY.

AND THEN I GOT THE EMAIL IN JANUARY FOR A FEBRUARY 14TH BUT WE HAD THE INFORMATION FOR A MONTH.

I DID CALL YOU AND I ASKED YOU AND YOU SAID, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT CAUSE YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR.

SO I'M TICKLED.

AND THEN WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE THE LIST AND I GOT IT ON FEBRUARY 14TH AND THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT I HAD HALF A ROAD.

SO THAT'S NOT EVERYTHING I ASKED FOR.

AND I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING I ASKED FOR.

I'M TRYING TO COMPROMISE, BUT YOU KNOW, A HALF OF A COUNTY ROAD IS A LOT FURTHER THAN ASKING FOR THREE, YOU KNOW? SO THEN I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE ASSURANCES THAT I CAN DO A ROAD A YEAR.

AND I THINK WE GOT THERE FROM FREESE AND NICHOLS THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

SO WITH NOT IMPACTING ANYBODY ELSE.

SO THE ONLY THING I'LL TAKE EXCEPTION WITH IS, IS THAT YEAH, YOU CAN, IT'S, IT'S, I WOULD SAY ACCORDING TO HALL TO WORK WITH YOUR CITY'S ON, ON TABOR ROAD COST ESTIMATE, BUT THAT 500,000, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 3.5 AND SOME CHANGE IN 40 MILLION.

THAT'S FOR A WHOLE TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY GO LEFT AND RIGHT A CENTER.

SO TO TAKE IT ALL AND PUT IT INTO ONE PRECINCT DOES IMPACT THE OTHER THREE PRECINCTS.

AND SO MY ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS AND YOU TO SEE WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO.

WE'RE GOING TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THAT, UH, FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT.

BUT I CANNOT RECOMMEND TAKING THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS STRAIGHT OFF THE BAT AND MOVE IT INTO PRECINCT ONE FOR A PROJECT.

WE'LL, I WOULD SAY, LET US LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE CAN GET.

AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN WE COME BACK.

BUT, UH, WE, YOU HAVE $11 MILLION THAT YOU CAN SPEND ON THOSE LISTS OF PROJECTS OVER THE LIFE OF THE BOND PROGRAM.

AND IF THERE'S, IF WE NEED TO ADD TO A SINGLE PROJECT, IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THAT $11 MILLION

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AND THAT COULD BE NEXT YEAR OR IT COULD BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND ISSUE AGAIN NEXT YEAR IS MY UNDERSTANDING, PROBABLY FOUR, FOUR FACILITIES AGAIN.

AND IF WE NEED TO ADD THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, $10 MILLION ADDITIONAL TO THE ROADSIDE FOR NEXT YEAR, THEN WE'LL DO THAT IF IT FITS UNDERNEATH THE COURT'S APPROVAL OF THE TAX RATE, ET CETERA.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A LIVING PROCESS.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE BY THE DAY.

UH, AND IF WE'LL ALL BE FLEXIBLE AND SOMEWHAT TRUSTWORTHY AND WE'LL GET THERE.

RIGHT? I'VE NEVER FAILED ONE SINGLE TIME AT GETTING TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

I'VE PISSED OFF A LOT OF PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY, BUT I'VE NEVER FAILED TO GET TO THAT POINT THAT WE NEEDED TO BE.

LET'S NOT REALLY SURE WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.

YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME INFORMATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE FREESE AND NICHOLS IS, UH, GIVING YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

UH, AND I WOULD SAY GIVE US A WAYNE OR SODA, PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE COME UP WITH THE SOLUTION.

AND MY RECOMMENDATION WILL BE, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE, BUT NOT USE THAT ROUNDING NUMBER BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS A NUMBER WE NEED TO KEEP IN OUR POCKET FOR, YOU'RE SAYING THIS CONTINGENCY FIRM, SO VERY SMALL CONTINGENCY.

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON A $40 MILLION FIRST EDITION IS SPELT CONCRETE.

I MEAN, HUH.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, OTHER THAN IF WE, YOU HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY PER PRECINCT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALL OF THAT MONEY FOR YOUR PROJECT, IT WAS, WOULDN'T GET OUT OF THE MONEY.

I'M TALKING TO EVERYBODY.

THAT, THAT, UH, THE ISSUANCES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT PROJECTS COMMISSIONER CASE THAT YOU WANT TO GET DONE AND YOU GAVE US A LIST AND WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND GET THOSE PROJECTS ESTIMATED.

AND IF 30, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN ONE TO THREE THINGS ON BUDGET UNDER OR OVER.

AND IF THEY COME IN TWO OF THOSE THREE, WE'RE GOOD.

IF NOT, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE SITUATION THEN.

YOU UNDERSTAND.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING FOR COMMISSIONER BARBARA AND MR. PHILLIPS.

SO, UM, I APOLOGIZE IF WE GAVE YOU A NUMBER FOR HALF A ROAD WHEN YOU WANTED A WHOLE ROAD.

WE'LL, WE'LL DO BETTER ON THAT GOING FORWARD.

UH, BUT IF, IF WE ALL JUST COMMUNICATE WHAT WE NEED AND WANT, AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE NOW A WON'T GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.

IT'S, THERE'S LAWS TO FOLLOW, BUT IT AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S MATH SO WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

SO WHEN WE HIRED FREESE AND NICHOLS TO HELP US WITH THE BOND PROGRAM BACK IN THE DAY, LAST YEAR, IT INCLUDED, UH, IN THAT MOST QUALIFICATION TO ASSIST WITH COUNTY ROADS AND, UH, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SELECTED GOING FORWARD.

SO WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT THEY'RE SELECTED AS MOST QUALIFIED, BUT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THEM NOTICE YET ON THE NEXT PHASE BECAUSE THOSE MONIES WERE IN THIS 40 MILLION.

SO SORT OF, UH, WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'LL GIVE THEM NOTICE TO PROCEED AND THEY'RE PROVIDING ME A CONTRACT SO THAT I CAN REVIEW IT TO GET IT TO CIVIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.

AND THEN ONCE THE CIVIL SAYS WE'RE GOOD, I'LL SUGGEST TO YOU WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

YOU'LL AGREE OR DISAGREE.

WE'LL DO A FUNDING MEMO SMITH THROUGH CIVIL, SHE'LL PUT IT ON COURT, WE'LL EXECUTE IT.

AND THEN, THEN I REALLY BEAT THE GUYS COMMISSIONERS.

WHEN YOU SEND ONE OF THOSE, WE'RE GETTING COPIES IF IT WAS IN THEIR PARTICULAR PRECINCT.

UH, AND IT'S FINE THAT THEY SIGN OFF ON IT, BUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE SIGNS IT AND THEN THE WHOLE COURT VOTES ON IT TO BE APPROVED WHEN IT FOR PAYMENT.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT.

THAT'S WHY I SEND EVERYTHING TO ANABEL THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED.

THAT COMES OUT AT ROGUE.

WE SEND ALL THAT TO YOU, RIGHT? YES.

WHEN SHE SENDS IT TO ME.

SO YES MA'AM.

UP FROM, THAT'S WHY ALL OF THEM ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR PORTION TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE COMMISSIONER KNOWS HE'LL, THE FORUM'S GOING TO GET THEIR STUFF AND UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.

WE DID A BIG BOND ISSUE AND THE CITIZENS ARE EXPECTING TO SEE SOME OF THEIR STUFF FIXED

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WELL, JUST TO BE NUANCED THERE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY FIGHTING TO GET THEIR DON BECAUSE THEIR MONEY'S SECURE IN THEIR PRECINCT THERE.

THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR THAT FIRST TRAUNCH OF DOLLARS FOR THOSE FIRST PROJECTS.

AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT IT'S, WE'RE NOT THERE YET TO HAVE A BATTLE.

IT COULD ALL WORK OUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

WELL, WE'RE NOT FIGHTING.

SO, UH, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO GET, IS TO GET FREESE AND NICHOLS ENGAGED IN, TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TOO.

AND UM, AND I WANT TO KNOW IF NO FENCE, I WANT TO KNOW IF, UM, IF I'M CORRECT IN THIS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNTY ROAD PROJECTS, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THREE OPTIONS.

UH, IF THEY'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY CONSIDER SIMPLE THAT THEY DON'T NEED ANY HELP ON, THEY CAN JUST LIKE SELF-PERFORM OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN JUST DO THAT WITH THE BOND MONEY.

I UNDERSTAND THEY GOT TO GO THROUGH PROCESSES AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THEY CAN, THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT WE DON'T NEED AN ENGINEER TO DO THIS PROJECT.

IF IT'S A SIMPLE PROJECT, THAT'S ONE OPTION.

THE SECOND OPTION, IF YOU NEED A LITTLE ENGINEERING OPINION OR ENGINEERING SUPPORT, UH, A COUNTY ENGINEER CAN PARTICIPATE OR HELP WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS BILLING RATE IS YET.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

AND THEN A THIRD OPTION IF IS IF THE COMMISSIONER THINKS IT'S RELATIVELY COMPLEX PROJECT, THEN THEY CAN USE FREESE AND NICHOLS TO DO ENGINEERING AND DESIGN ON THAT PROJECT.

SO THEY'LL, I THINK WE'LL SEE ALL THREE DIFFERENT OVER THE COURSE OF THE BOND PROGRAM.

WE'LL SEE ALL THREE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.

WE DON'T NEED TO, THERE MAY BE SOME SITUATIONS THAT DON'T REQUIRE ANY ENGINEERING, RIGHT? SO I'D LIKE TO TWEAK A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU SAID THERE.

I'M THE LEADER, SO PERFORM RIGHT OR THOUGH PROCURE, IF THEY PROCURE, THEN WE NEED TO GET YOUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO PROCURE THAT.

NOW I THINK SHE'S GONE AND DONE A LOT OF THAT LEGWORK ALREADY.

UH, SO WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS RIGHT.

AND THEN THAT CONTRACT WILL BE USED, THE BOND FUNDS TO DO THAT.

BUT THE, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT, ONE IS WE GOTTA DETERMINE WHO'S GOING TO INSPECT AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE ROAD AND BREADS, GUYS, THAT'S COOL.

IF IT'S NOT, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU MAY HAVE MORE ROADS GOING AND YOU HAVE INSPECTORS, I DON'T KNOW.

THEN WE'LL ACT TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AND THEN IN BOTH CASES, ANY INVOICES THAT ARE PAID, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE AUDITOR AND, AND, AND THE ROAD AND BRIDGE GUYS THREE THAT YOUR PO PROCESS OR THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE REVIEWING INVOICES.

SO YOU, EACH MEMBER HAS A A MILLION DOLLARS FOR MATERIAL FOR THIS TIME PERIOD, WHATEVER THIS TIME PERIOD ENDS UP BEING.

AND SO IF THEY USE SOME OF THAT MATERIAL FOR BACKFILL ON A PROJECT, THEN IT WILL BE ACCOUNTED AND AUDITED.

AND FOR THE WAY THAT THAT MAJOR PROJECT IS, IF THEY'RE JUST TAKING MATERIAL AND DOING A PO TO MOVE IT TO A PROJECT THEY'RE SELF-PERFORMING ON AND THAT'LL GO THROUGH YOUR PO PROCESS.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

SO THE PROCUREMENT OF IT IS WHEN YOU TRIGGER THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING THAT YOU NEED.

SO, SO IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU JUST NEED THE MATERIALS, UH, I THINK RUTLAND'S ALREADY GOT IT SET UP WHERE Y'ALL ALREADY HAVE QUALIFIED PROVIDERS FOR THOSE.

ALL I NEED THEN AT THAT TIME IS TO KNOW THE PROJECT, HOW MUCH YOU NEED AND WHETHER YOU TAKE IT OUT OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THAT PROJECT IN THE BOND PROGRAM OR THAT YOU TAKEN OUT OF THE MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT THOSE ARE DEALT DIFFERENTLY.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN KAREN CALLS SAYS, I GOT AN INDEPENDENT ARBITER ASKING ME A QUESTION, I CAN ANSWER IT.

THAT'S UH, JUST ON THE BOND PROGRAMS. I MEAN, SHE'S, SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB ON ALL EVERYTHING ELSE AND ABOUT PROGRAM.

I DIDN'T MEAN THAT WAY, BUT WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT OTHER THAN JUST THE INTERNAL AUDITOR, THIS IS WHAT I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION YOU AND I HAD SOME MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU WERE EXPLAINING THIS TO ME, THAT YOU DO HAVE, BECAUSE OF SPAWNED MONEY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER AUDITORS OTHER THAN JUST OUR ANNUAL.

SO YES.

NOW IN ANOTHER COUNTY ON OUR BOND PROGRAM THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS COMP, BECAUSE IT'S BOND MONEY BECAUSE IT'S BOND MONEY.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH AN AUDIT RIGHT

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AND SO, SO EVEN WHEN YOU, EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT TO DO A BOND PROGRAM, THE REASON YOU GOT TO GO GET THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SAY YES I APPROVE OF THIS USE AND THIS YOU BETTER FOLLOW THESE RULES IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, IF YOU LOOK IN THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE RULES FOR YOU TO HOW YOU SPEND YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS.

YOU SEE YOUR COUNTY PROCEEDS.

THERE'S THINGS THAT YOUR CIVIL AND YOUR AUDITOR, THEY ALL KNOW CAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN THERE.

BUT THE REASON THEY DON'T HAVE A SECTION THAT'S DETAILED IN THE BONDS IS BECAUSE EACH BOND CAN BE DIFFERENT.

IT COULD BE A DRAINAGE BOND PROGRAM, IT CAN BE A ROAD BOND PROGRAM, IT CAN BE A BUILDING PROGRAM, IT COULD BE SOME OTHER THIRD THING AND THE, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES YOU ESTABLISHED FOR THOSE BOND PROGRAMS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROVES UP.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU GO THROUGH THE AG IS THEY SAY, YES WE APPROVE OF THIS AND THEN AT SOME POINT THEY RESERVED THE RIGHT TO COME BACK AND AUDIT IT IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS THAT I'VE HAD THE, A COMPTROLLER ASKED TO AUDIT SOMETHING.

UM, BUT WE HAVE TO HOLD THE BOOKS ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WE HIRED THE BOND.

MIMO IS THE RAT, THE BOND.

AND IT SAYS IN THERE, WHAT'D YOU ONLY SPEND THE MONEY ON THE BOND.

RIGHT? AND THEN WHAT FOLLOWED MY JOB IS TO DO IS MAKE SURE YOU FILE IN THE GUIDELINES.

BECAUSE CIVIL ATTORNEY, I'M BETTING THAT THIS BOMB PROGRAM PROGRAM'S NOT THE ONLY THING THEY GOT TO DEAL WITH.

RIGHT? THE AUDITORS, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

YOU GUYS GET OTHER THINGS TO DEAL WITH.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN BEFORE WE APPRECIATE NICHOLS UP HERE? I'LL STICK AROUND.

I MEAN, I HOPE YOU WILL.

THEY MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO WHO'S STAN OR WHOEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS.

SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IN A WORKSHOP, BUT THE IDEA HERE IS TO OFFER THE COMMISSIONERS WELL ON THE COUNTY ROAD PROJECTS TO OFFER THE COMMISSIONERS SERVICES THAT THEY MIGHT NEED FOR DOING THEIR ROADBLOCK.

AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE, THIS PERTAINS TO DOT HIGHWAY PROJECTS ALSO, RIGHT? OR NOT? NO, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE BEING HIRED TO DO IS TO WORK ON THE COUNTY ROAD.

SO ANYWAY, I ASSUME IF IT'S A CITY ROAD IN THE CITY WILL DO THEIR PART.

SO TAKE IT AWAY GUYS.

STAN LYNCH, FREESE AND NICHOLS.

UM, I'M THE ACCOUNT DIRECTOR AND A COUNTY PRACTICE LEADER HAVE WITH ME, UH, CHRIS, UH, BOSCO, WHO IS OUR NORTH TEXAS TRANSPORTATION MANAGER.

HE HANDLES ALL OF OUR TRANSPORTATION HERE IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION.

UM, WE PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A LITTLE, UH, WORKSHOP IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM TO KIND OF SHOW YOU OR, AND I THINK IT WILL ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN KIND OF BANDYING BACK AND FORTH ON.

SO, UH, I'LL LET CHRIS GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, BUT, UH, THIS IS BASICALLY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, HOW THIS WOULD BE MANAGED, HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN, HOW IT COMES TOGETHER, AND THEN IT'LL ANSWER, I THINK, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.

SO, CHRIS, GO AHEAD.

ITEMS ON MAYBE CHANGES AND ROAD PRIORITIES OR, UH, CHANGES.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, SO YEAH, I WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH, I'VE, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SIMILAR, UH, TYPE PROGRAMS THAN OTHER COUNTIES.

AND I TOOK SOME EXAMPLES HERE FROM PARKER COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAD A, A SIMILAR ASPECT OF THEIR BOND, ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE BONDS WHERE THEY DID A LOT OF COUNTY ROADS AND WE WERE BALANCING WHAT THEY WANTED TO SELF PERFORM VERSUS WHAT THEY WANT TO PROCURE, UH, IMBALANCING AMONG THEIR NORMAL WORKLOAD.

AND SO I'M HOPING THIS ANSWERS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKING.

UH, SO THIS KIND OF OUTLINES THE, THIS BRIEF PRESENTATION.

SO ONE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, UH, WHICH REALLY YOU COULD KIND OF SEE IT AS SOME OF THESE COMMUNICATION

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AND YOU KNOW, UH, THE TYPE OF ROAD THAT Y'ALL WANT TO BUILD AND YOUR INDIVIDUAL PRECINCT.

UH, THAT'S THE POINT OF THAT PLAN.

AND THEN I WANT TO SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO THE PROCUREMENT ROUTE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING THAT THAT JOHN'S DOING ON THE TECH STOCK SIDE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SCALE THAT WAY DOWN BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF EXTENSIVE SURVEY.

AND SO THAT SAVES DOLLARS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UH, THE KIND OF THEME HERE IS IF WE CAN BUNDLE THESE TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER BID PRICES BUT ALSO KEEP ANY ENGINEERING COSTS DOWN.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A THEME HERE.

AND THEN THE COMMUNICATION, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW A LOT OF THE CITIZENS ARE, ARE WANTING THESE COUNTY ROADS AND SO WE REALLY HAVE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF COMMUNICATING THAT PROGRESS.

AND SO HOPE YOU GUYS SEE THAT IN HERE AS WELL.

SO, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN, SO THIS IS THE MAP YOU'VE SEEN.

THAT IS THE ENTIRE BOND PROGRAM.

UH, WHAT WE WANT TO ULTIMATELY GET TO IS MAYBE A MAP PER YEAR.

SO IT'S LIKE, THIS IS THE ROADS WE'RE GOING TO DO A YEAR, ONE, A YEAR TWO AND YEAR THREE, UH, RELATED TO THE COUNTY ROADS.

AND SO I WANT TO TAKE A, A REAL BRIEF AND TALK ABOUT THESE COSTS ESTIMATES.

SO, UH, AS JOHN ALLUDED TO, WE ARE CONSERVATIVE.

IN FACT, YOU'LL SEE MY DETAILS.

I'VE HAVE A 30% CONTINGENCY ON EVERY JOB, AND THAT'S NOT UNTYPICAL OF ANY ENGINEER.

WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE, 25, 30% IS, IS PRETTY COMMON.

AND THEN AS YOU DEVELOP MORE DETAIL, YOU START RATCHETING THAT DOWN.

SO THAT BEING SAID, OF THE 21 MILLION, THERE'S $5 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY THERE.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MISS, UH, COMMISSIONER HUNT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, UH, YOUR GOAL OF, OF THE ONE ROAD A YEAR, UH, AS WE START DEVELOPING THESE PROJECTS.

AND CERTAINLY THE OTHER THING TO UNDERSTAND IS OUR ESTIMATES ARE ASSUMING EVERY JOB IS PROCURED, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST.

WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE Y'ALL WANT TO SELF-PERFORM.

SO IT'S THE CONSERVATIVE ROUTE TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.

WHEN YOU SELF PERFORM, IT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE CHEAPER.

UH, JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE THAT BUILT INTO YOUR SYSTEM.

IF YOU DON'T NEED ANY ENGINEERING THAT COSTS US NOT THERE.

SO THAT'S EVEN MORE CONTINGENCY AS WE DETERMINE THAT.

UM, THE, SO I WANT YOU ALL TO SEE THAT.

AND, AND UH, SO LIKE ADDING A ROAD IS ONE THAT, UH, I JUST GRABBED AS AN EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL ON HERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO SEE IS YOU'LL SEE THE 30% CONTINGENCY.

SO OF THAT 500,000, THAT'S $96,000 OF THAT IS CONTINGENCY.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS OUR COSTS INCLUDE ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT.

CAUSE IF WE PROCUREMENT, IF WE PROCURE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DRAINAGE ELEMENTS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A REPAVING THE ROADWAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS, IF WE CHOOSE TO PROCURE IT, UH, JOHN MENTIONED AROUND THE INSPECTION WE HAVE WHAT THE INSPECTION COSTS, UM, TESTING MATERIALS, TESTING.

UH, NOW THOSE COSTS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER PROGRAMS IS THE MATERIALS TESTING CAN BE A PROGRAM LEVEL CONTRACT THAT WOULD, WOULD RUN INDEPENDENT OF US THROUGH, THROUGH RON.

UM, WHEREAS WE'RE COSTING MATERIALS TESTING PER PROJECT.

THAT'S ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE ASPECT OF THIS.

AND SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THAT AT A PROGRAM LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO BE A COST SAVINGS.

UM, SO THAT'S THE THING IS WHEN, WHEN COMMISSIONER HUNT AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR ESTIMATES COMPARED TO SOME OF THE BID PRICES, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE APPLES AND APPLES COMPARISON.

UH, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE HERE.

SO THERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE VALUE TO THE PROGRAM COMMISSIONER.

KATE'S, THESE, THE STA ROADS THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT.

THOSE ARE ALSO ONES WE NEED TO DISCUSS.

SO, UH, MAYBE WE CAN STOP.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ASPECT? CAUSE I WAS GOING TO KIND OF GO INTO THIS PLAN NEXT.

UM, AND I JUST, WHAT WAS NEW TO ME IS, I GUESS I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YOU WERE, THAT EVERYTHING YOU ESTIMATED WAS BASED ON PROCUREMENT, MEANING CONTRACT WORK.

AND, UM, I CAN SEE HOW THAT IS VERY CONSERVATIVE AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONVERSATION HERE OF HOW MUCH Y'ALL WANT TO SELF PERFORM.

BUT THE FIRST ONE I DID IN PARKER, THERE WAS MAMIE 10% SELF-PERFORMED THE SECOND BOND, ABOUT 20%.

UH, SO YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF GOING THAT ROUTE AND WE NEED TO ULTIMATELY DETERMINE, BECAUSE THERE'S VALUE IN PROCUREMENT IS SPEED VALUE,

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RIGHT? WE CAN PUT OUT BIGGER PACKAGES THAT THE MAMIE YOUR FORCES, UH, WON'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE.

MADE ME A PACKAGE THAT, THAT DRAWS SOME CONTRACTORS FROM THE DALLAS AREA.

UH, SO WE CAN GET IT.

IT'S, WE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A PROCUREMENT, CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $21 MILLION TO GET ON THE GROUND IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE CAPACITY.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE VALUE.

EVEN THOUGH THERE IS ADDED COST OF THE PROCUREMENT, THERE'S VALUE IN THAT SPEED.

UH, OKAY.

SO THIS FLOW CHART THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, I WAS KINDA KIND OF WALKED DOWN, UH, WHAT THIS PLAN WOULD INTEL AND I THINK IT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION CONCERNS.

SO, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE, UH, LET'S SAY STARTING IN THAT, THAT FIRST PURPLE BOX, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED IS, UM, IN OTHER COUNTIES, EACH COMMISSIONER KIND OF HAS A DIFFERENT WAY THEY LIKE TO DO THEIR ROAD MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT ROAD SECTION.

UH, I KNOW IN PARKER COUNTY SOME COMMISSIONERS LIKE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND SOME DON'T WANT PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

THAT'S A SMALL COST, BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENCE.

UM, SOME COMMISSIONERS WANT TO DO ALL THE SIGNS THEMSELVES.

SOME OF THEM WANT TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR PUT THE SIGNS IN.

SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY JOB TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS.

UNDERSTAND WHAT SPECIFIC IN YOUR PRECINCT OF THE WAY THAT YOU WANT THE ROADS DONE IN YOUR PRECINCT.

LIKE THE DOUBLE LAYER CHIP SEAL.

THAT'S A MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN ME AND YOU.

COMMISSIONER HUNT.

AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, SO, SO GOING FORWARD WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR COSTS OF SUBMITS ALIGN WITH THE TYPE OF ROAD YOU WANT TO BUILD.

UM, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF Y'ALL KNOW ROADWAY SAFETY ISSUES.

I MEAN JUST AS I'VE DRIVEN THE ROADS, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT GUARDRAIL WOULD BE VALUABLE.

UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE EDGE OF A CULVERT, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD.

THOSE ARE ELEMENTS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS AN ENGINEER, THAT'S ELEMENTS WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THE SAFETY ASPECTS.

UM, DRAINAGE AS A KEY ONE BECAUSE GENERALLY ON A COUNTY ROAD PROGRAM WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON IMPROVING THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE, SO LET ME BACK UP.

WE, WE WILL MAKE THE DRAINAGE BETTER CAUSE WE'LL CLEAN OUT OLD CULVERTS.

BUT UM, WE, WE YOU COULD CHASE THE PROBLEM WAY DOWNSTREAM IF YOU START TRYING TO UPSIZE CULVERTS CAUSE IF YOU UP-SIZE IT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MORE WATER ON ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.

SO WE WANT TO BE REAL CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

AND, YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.

AND THIS IS AN AREA DEPENDING ON, AND WE'VE, WE MET AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTY AND ROAD SPECIFIC, BUT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT A LOT OF THOSE TEND TO CROSSROADS.

AND SO IF IN THIS PROCESS WE IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT MAY BE ARE A LITTLE MORE MAJOR, WE COULD ADD THAT INTO THE WATER, UH, THE COUNTY-WIDE, UH, STORM GREENISH PLAN AND MAYBE GET SOME STATE FUNDING FOR THAT.

POTENTIALLY.

IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS, THESE ARE THINGS AS YOU GO ALONG, THESE ARE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP.

EXACTLY.

I MEAN, YEAH, SO I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW AS WE VISIT, LIKE IF THERE'S A AREA THAT IS THE ROADS CONSTANTLY GETTING OVER TOPS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AREA WHERE THE WATER COMES UP, STAYS IN THE DITCHES, UH, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH EACH OF YOUR PROJECTS.

UM, SO AS WE GO THROUGH, ULTIMATELY WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF PUT THESE PROJECTS IN THREE BUCKETS.

UH, AND LIKELY THE LIST THAT Y'ALL PROVIDED JOHN IS, IS BUCKET NUMBER ONE.

UH, CAUSE THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT COMMISSIONER KATE'S MADE ME THESE TWO NEW ROADS FIT IN, BUT YOU KNOW, THE ROADS THAT ARE BE TOP PRIORITY, WE REALLY WANT TO GET DONE IN THIS FIRST BOND SELL.

UH, THAT WOULD BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.

AND, AND QUITE POSSIBLY, MAYBE WE WANT TO TRADE SOME ROADS MEANING, UM, SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE ON THE LIST NOW MAYBE WE WILL, WE WANT TO DEFER THOSE AND ADD A DIFFERENT ONE.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT THAT CAN CERTAINLY HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT LONG PURPLE BOX THERE IS, WE WILL TAKE A STAB AT WHAT WE THINK THE PRIORITY.

SO LET'S TAKE ABNER ROAD, UM, ONE REASON WHY THAT WAS BROKEN IN PHASES.

THAT FIRST PHASE IS REALLY BAD.

AND SO I HAD KIND OF SAID, WELL THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY ONE JOB.

WELL ACTUALLY THE PHASE ONE GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 34 TO 27, 28.

GOTCHA.

TOOK A PORTION OUT OF PHASE ONE.

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH YOU.

SO YOUR PHASE ONE IS NOT QUIET AND SEE, I THINK AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, WE WOULD, WE'LL GET THAT IN ALIGNMENT.

UH, SO THAT

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BUT UH, YEAH, SO IT COULD BE A REAL LONG STRETCH OF ROAD PART OF THAT ROAD'S IN PRIORITY ONE, PART OF THAT'S IN PRIORITY TWO.

AND THEN PRIORITY THREE WOULD BE A ROAD THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IMPAIRING, UH, REPAIRING SEGMENTS OF IT AND NOT HAVING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING IF, IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT STILL HAS SOME GOOD LIFE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD WANT TO, TO VISIT WITH YOU GUYS ON, ON THAT.

UM, AND SO ULTIMATELY WE WILL THEN UPDATE THE COST ESTIMATES BASED ON ALL THE NEW INFORMATION AROUND THE TYPE OF ROAD EACH OF Y'ALL WANT TO BUILD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY STILL KEEP A PRETTY GOOD CONTINGENCY IN THERE, BUT WE CAN GET A LITTLE BETTER THERE.

SO, UH, SO NOW GO INTO WHAT JOHN ALLUDED TO THE KIND OF, UH, WHAT, SO ONCE WE GOT THOSE IN THAT PRIORITY ORDER, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO SELF-PERFORM OR USER ON CON, UH, ON-CALL CONTRACT FOR, UH, VERSUS WHAT YOU'D WANT TO PROCURE.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A, AND SO THE, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S TWO KIND OF ORANGE BOXES THERE IN THIS LIST.

AND, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT IS THE CONTRACTING CAPACITY.

IT'S A LOT OF WORK, UH, FOR YOUR LOCAL CONTRACTORS.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE ON BUSY, ON YOUR NORMAL, YOUR NORMAL BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR ON-CALL CONTRACTORS, UH, YEAH.

ON CALL OR JUST CONTRACTORS, THEN THE COUNTY THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.

SO ON THE PROCUREMENT SIDE WE DO A SET OF PLANS, BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S NOT LIKE A TECH STOCK SET OF PLANS.

SO THAT THAT'S A GREAT THING TO KNOW CAUSE WE, WE NEED TO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH POTENTIAL CONTRACTORS.

GET SOME THAT WE KNOW FROM THE DALLAS AREA AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT SIZE PACKAGE WOULD WOULD IN, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZE YOU TO COME BID ON THESE JOBS.

CAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY THING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CIRCLE BACK WITH JOHN.

IF WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR CAPACITY PROBLEM THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THAT.

AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY STEPS.

AND, AND THEN ONCE WE GOT THESE PROJECTS, THEN WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN WHAT ARE BID PACKAGES THAT KEEP THE COST DOWN.

WE CAN GET GOOD PRICING.

UH, CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WITH YOUR ON-CALL CONTRACT, I'M SURE THERE'S A QUANTITY OF WORK SO Y'ALL CAN GET REALLY GOOD PRICING VERSUS THE WAY I'VE ESTIMATED THESE AS INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WE CAN GET THE COST DOWN.

UM, SAME THING ON THE ENGINEERING INSPECTION SIDE.

IF WE'RE INSPECTING FOR ROADS AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS ONE, THERE'S CLEARLY A SAVINGS THERE.

UM, OKAY.

SO THAT THAT WOULD KIND OF LEAD TO US KIND OF COMING TOGETHER AND SAYING, HERE'S THE PLAN.

UH, JUDGE YOU MENTIONED ABOUT FOR ALL THE YEARS, THAT'S KIND OF, UM, AT THE MOMENT I WAS VISUALIZING THREE DIFFERENT BOND SELLS FOR THE COUNTY ROADS, BUT MADE ME ULTIMATELY TO GETS IT DONE.

BUT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SO WE CAN ALIGN WITH YOU GUYS ON WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING.

UM, THE TIMELINE WOULD BE OVERALL, AND WHEN I SAY YEAR ONE, THAT MIGHT BE A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

MAYBE IT'S BOND SELL ONE IS A BETTER LANGUAGE THERE.

UM, SO ONCE THE COURT APPROVES THIS PLAN, THEN WE WOULD GO TO IMPLEMENT IT.

UH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD START WHATEVER ON-CALL WORK, UH, THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND THEN WE WOULD START GETTING A BID PACKAGE READY.

UM, SO, WELL, I'VE KIND OF JUMPED AHEAD.

SO THIS SCHEDULE THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS IS A SCHEDULE OF GETTING THIS PLAN TOGETHER.

YOU'LL SEE THE MEETINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, WITH EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND, AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON STANDARDS.

UH, THE PRIORITIES OF THE PROJECT.

SO YOU'LL KIND OF SEE HOW THAT FLOWS.

AND RIGHT NOW THIS SCHEDULE IS SHOWING EARLY JUNE, UH, TO HAVE THAT PLAN COMPLETED AND, AND APPROVED BY THE COURT.

UM, IF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WITH THE BOND SELL HAPPENING, IF THERE'S SOME EARLY START PROJECTS WE WANT TO DO CONCURRENTLY WITH THIS, WE'VE DEFINITELY DONE THAT.

IF, IF Y'ALL SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO GET ONE PROJECT PER PRECINCT BID OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE COULD KIND OF DO THAT CONCURRENTLY HERE.

UM, A OR MAYBE THE SELF PERFORM WORK ENDS UP BEING THE EARLY START, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT'S, UH, BEEN A COMMON PRACTICE WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTY.

SO, UH, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A, AN IDEA OF HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD FLOW.

BUT THE FIRST STEP FOR US WOULD BE TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS WITH YOU GUYS TO START, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING DIFFERENCES AMONG THE PRECINCTS.

DID ANY OF THESE PRIORITIES CHANGE? UH, SO WE CAN, CAN GET THE PLANNED, UH, TOGETHER.

UH, SO TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE WHAT A PROCUREMENT SIDE LOOKS LIKE.

UM,

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WE HAVE SOME NOTES.

WHAT'S THE ROAD SECTION? SO THE CONTRACTOR UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, YOU'LL SEE LIKE A CULVERT SUMMARY.

SO ALL THE DRIVEWAY CULVERTS THAT ARE SILTED IN W W YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE HEAD WALLS TO THE, THE CULVERTS ACROSS THE ROAD GUARD RAIL.

THAT'S THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING WE'RE DOING.

THE PLANS.

WE'RE NOT DOING A DETAILED SURVEY.

WE'RE WERE, I KIND OF USED IT AS THE PLAN IS KIND OF A GUIDE FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO UNDERSTAND THE QUANTITIES HE'S BIDDING ON.

UH, AND THEN THE SAFETY ASPECT.

SO WHERE GUARDRAIL WOULD NEED TO BE IF THERE'S MISSING SIGNS.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THE CONTRACTOR SOME GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PROFILING THE ROAD AND DOING A LOT OF DETAILED ENGINEERING.

THAT'S HOW WE KEEP THE COSTS DOWN.

IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR A COUNTY ROAD.

UM, AND THEN CORE SPECIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE USE TECH STOCK SPECS, CONTRACTORS KNOW THOSE ON SOME ASPECTS, COGS, SPECS.

SO, UM, WE, WE WOULD HAVE A SPEC BOOK, A CONTRACT, UH, FOR YOUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT AND, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS WE'D GO THROUGH THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH YOUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT ON BIDDING THE JOB AND THEN OF COURSE, BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION OF HER AWARD, UH, BEFORE THE COUNTY.

UM, IN FACT, YOU'LL SEE EVEN ON THIS JOB, I, THIS EXAMPLE, MAYBE HARD TO READ HERE, BUT, UH, OUR ESTIMATE WAS $200,000, UH, CONSERVATIVE ON THIS ONE PROJECT.

UH, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS A, UH, ASPECT OF SAVINGS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS THE PROGRAM GOES AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TIGHTEN THOSE ESTIMATES UP, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THE MARKET CHANGED, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE ON THAT.

SO WHAT ABOUT COMMUNICATION? SO, ON THE PROCUREMENT SIDE, UM, SO DOING CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION, UH, WILL LIKELY BE US COMMUNICATING WITH RON WOULD BE JUST DAILY INSPECTION REPORT.

SO, UH, LET'S SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR JOBS THAT ARE ACTIVELY BEING BUILT.

WE DO THIS DAILY INSPECTION REPORT.

SO Y'ALL, Y'ALL WOULD ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING DAY TO DAY.

IT'S ALSO A GOOD RECORD IF A PROBLEM HAPPENS.

YOU, YOU HAVE THAT DAILY RECORD.

UH, FROM THAT WE DO, WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE MONTHLY REPORTS.

UH, AND I GUESS WE NEED TO DECIDE THAT THIS WANT TO COINCIDE WITH THE ON SYSTEM.

UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT SAME ROAD HERE, HERE WAS A REPORT, UH, BACK, UH, IN SEPTEMBER, 2010 WHERE WE DID A MONTHLY REPORT TO COURT, UM, ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT SPECIFIC JOB.

UH, YOU COULD SEE THERE IT WAS UNDER BUDGET BY 250,000 ON THAT SPECIFIC JOB BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT COUNTY ROADS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE, YOU UNEARTH THE ROAD AND YOU FIND A REAL SOFT SPOT.

UH, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE WANT TO HAVE CONTINGENCY, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS DURING CONSTRUCTION AS WHAT WE LEARNED IS IN, UH, IN SOME OF THE PARKER ONES WE DID A LOT OF GEO-TECH WORK LIKE BORINGS BUT IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE TIMES THAN NOT YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU MISS THE ACTUAL SOFT SPOTS.

IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE THICKNESS OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN IT TO GIVE THE COUNTY A TON OF VALUE.

UM, BECAUSE MORE LIKELY THE CONTRACTOR FINDS A SOFT SPOT IN SOME RANDOM SPOT ON THE ROAD AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO DEAL WITH IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO WHETHER WE BRING IN SOME EXTRA MATERIAL OR THAT, THOSE KINDS OF APPROACHES.

UM, NO, I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE CORE SAMPLES IN MINE.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF CORE SAMPLES AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MY ROAD DOOR BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE ROAD BASE IS RIGHT.

THE PAST AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT I NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A SOFT SPOT.

CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOFT SPOTS IN THIS BLACK MONTH, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

IT'S PUSHING UP SOMEWHERE AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE A SOFT SPOT.

YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING FOR A SOFTBALL.

SO I STILL DON'T RULE OUT DOING SOME KIND OF CORE SAMPLES ON THOSE ROADS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING, SOMETHING THEY ARE DOING, YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW SOME KIND OF PROCESS.

IF THEY PUT ROCK ON THEM FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, IF THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT REGULAR, MY GOODNESS, THERE'S GOT BUILT UP SIX FEET OF ROCK UNDER THERE.

SO I MEAN YOU NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING.

SO THAT IS A GOOD, GOOD POINT.

THE CORES DO GIVE YOU THAT THING.

YOU DON'T HAVE SOME KIND OF GLIMPSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT.

BUT IF YOU DO ONE OR TWO IT'D BE OUT A MILE LONG RUN.

DO YOU DO THREE OR FOUR CAR SAMPLES? YOU KNOW THAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROCK BEEN APPLIED ON THE SALT.

OH MAN.

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I MEAN I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT.

I'M LIKE, WHEN I FIND A SOFTBALL ON THE ROAD, I'LL ALREADY, I PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW MATT CAUSE I'VE ALREADY FOUND THEM.

AND SO WE'VE HAD TO CUT THIS SECTION OUT AND DO SOMETHING TO IT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I DO SUGGEST THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEIR ROAD BASE IS BEFORE WE REALLY ACTUALLY START.

THERE'S NO WORKERS TO DO THE WORK.

AND, AND UH, THE, UM, THE THING THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE LIKE MATERIALS TESTS AND WE COULD DO AT A PROGRAM LEVEL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PRECINCTS TOGETHER AND YOU'D GET A REAL GOOD PRICE DOING A BUNCH OF CORE SAMPLES.

BUT, UH, NOT REAL HIGH.

I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU JUST DO LIKE A TWO FOOT CORE OR SOMETHING ON IT, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY CHEAP TO GET A FEW CORE SAMPLES ON THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BIG MAJOR FACTOR, BUT AT LEAST AT LEAST YOU KNOW SOMETHING.

RIGHT? YEAH.

THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT IS KIND OF BACK TO THE PLAN, KNOWING KIND OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN OTHER PRECINCTS WILL BE VALUABLE.

AND THEN THE LAST FORM OF COMMUNICATION WOULD JUST BE AN ANNUAL REPORT.

WHETHER ONCE AGAIN Y'ALL ON A COUPLE THAT WITH THE UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE ON SYSTEM WORK OR ENSURE THAT AS, YES, I THINK WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT ARE THEY DOING THERE? WHAT DOES THAT ROAD PROJECT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN IF IT'S A COUNTY ROAD OR FARM TO MARKET ROAD.

SO I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE PUBLIC TOGETHER.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE A WEBSITE, UH, WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT MONTHLY REPORTS OR THE ANNUAL, I THINK THE ANNUAL REPORTS OR THE QUARTERLY REPORTS WE'RE ALREADY GOT ON THE WEBSITE.

UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ASPECT WE GET UPDATE.

SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THAT SUMMARY.

BUT I LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO KIND OF PUT A FINE POINT ON IS STARTING OUT, THINGS ARE NOT AS SMOOTH AND, AND IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD AS WE'D LIKE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME PRESELECTED FIRMS TO DO SOME CERTAIN THINGS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO ECONOMY OF SCALE AS MUCH POSSIBLE.

SO, UM, WHEN WE GO TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY PRESELECTED, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO, I KNOW THAT FIRST ISSUE ONCE IS FIRST, FIRST OUT OF THE GATE, SOMEWHAT SPORADIC, BUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE'D LIKE TO BUNDLE MORE THAN JUST SEND THEM ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.

UH, BECAUSE I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET BETTER SERVICE AND BETTER PRICES, MAYBE NOT BETTER PRICES PER SE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT BETTER SERVICE, UH, ASKED HER IF YOU BUNDLE AND FASTER IF YOU BUNDLE THESE.

AND SO WHEN HE SAYS ON THE PROGRAM LEVEL, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT IN MATERIAL TESTING, RIGHT.

FOR ALL FOUR PRECINCTS.

SO WE GET ONE OR TWO ENTITIES THAT WE SELECT, COURT GOES THROUGH THEIR PROCESS TO SELECT SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

UM, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO INCLUDE, UH, WITH WHAT FREES NEXT IS DOING, BUT WE DO IT ON A, ON A COUNTYWIDE BASIS.

AND SO IT'S A VOLUME ISSUE INSTEAD OF AN INDIVIDUAL ONE OFF EVERY TIME.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM YOU.

THAT'S WHY FREES WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS.

AND WE KNOW YOU'VE GOT YOUR FIRST ISSUE ONCE WHERE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW AND WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THIS PROCESS AS QUICKLY AND AS JUDICIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT THIS REALLY IS FOR THIS IS THAT NEXT TRAUNCH OF PROJECT GOING OUT FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS SO THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN, UH, OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND OBVIOUSLY IT'LL CHANGE AS CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, BUT YOU START OUT WITH A PLAN BASED ON WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO YOU.

SO CONNIE IS SCALE BUNDLING A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND Y'ALL AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? COULD JOLENE, YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE SPOT ON ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR CAPABILITY.

WE, UH, WE CONTRACTED THREE ROADS LAST YEAR, $717,000, WHICH IS A BIG HIT FOR US.

AND WE HAD ONE BIDDER THAT'S ACTUALLY AN ISSUE THAT, UH, EVEN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS DEALING WITH.

UH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE RURAL TEXTILE DISTRICTS THAT THEY, THEY DO BIDDING THE, IF THEY DO BIDDING THE SAME WAY IN A RURAL DISTRICT THAT HAD DONE AN URBAN DISTRICT, THEY, THEY SOMETIMES ONLY GET ONE BID AND SOMETIMES THE BIDS ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER BUDGET BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO,

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AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO IMPORT THEM FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF US BUNDLING TO GET SOME BIGGER FISH PLAYING IN OUR POND.

UM, AND THAT ALSO, YES, WE WANT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY FOR THE TAXPAYER, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE WITH THOSE DOLLARS AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH OF A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

SO IF WE HAVE TO DELAY A LITTLE BIT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER QUALITY OF CONTRACTOR OR A BETTER BID PRICES, THEN I'M SAYING I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOUR TIME IS WORTH THE EFFORT.

NO, I AGREE.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH ENGINEERING, UH, SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, CORING COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER ROLLING THAT INTO THE FREEZER NICKEL CONTRACT AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS IN EACH PRECINCT.

SO, UH, BECAUSE COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE PURPOSEFULLY VAGUE IN THAT LAST CONTRACT TO ALLOW IT TO BE, UH, EXPANDED TO WHAT WE NEED.

CAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED FROM THEM IN THIS NEXT ITERATION.

SO I'LL GET WITH CIVIL AND PURCHASING TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT VIOLATING, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, VOLUME OF PROCUREMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING.

UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANT TO BUNDLE.

UH, JUST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ORANGE AND A FIRE WITH PURCHASING AND AUDITOR'S OFFICE ALSO.

SO IF WE CAN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SOME ADVANTAGE BY SIMPLIFYING THAT.

NOTHING YOU SAID SOMETHING RUDE.

I SAID WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY EARN THEIR PAY.

NO MA'AM.

THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THAT'S WHY I SAID IT QUIETLY.

SO I MEAN, I THINK, UH, CHRIS KEPT USING THE WORD I THINK IS A GOOD WORD.

COMMUNICATION.

IF WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE, WE'LL TRY TO AVOID HAVING ANY MISSTEPS LIKE WE DID ON YOUR FIRST PROJECT.

UH, BUT I THINK IF, IF THE MORE YOU COMMUNICATE, THE FEWER, FEWER, UH, ISSUES THAT YOU PERCEIVE TO HAVE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN COMMUNICATION AND WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO I'M NOT SURE.

IT'S LIKE PRAYING YOU DON'T LIKE TO START, BUT YOU KNOW, NEVER KNOW WHEN TO QUIT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY.

SO I'M UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WITH THE, WITH THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AND THE AGREEMENT WE'VE ALREADY HAD IN PLACE WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS.

ARE WE IN A POSITION TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT? NO.

I'M GOING TO ASK AND Y'ALL CAN TELL ME LIVE IF YOU WANT TO, BUT HAVE Y'ALL SENT ME A DRAFT ON THE AGREEMENT YET? UM, ON, ON THE PLAN PIECE WAS THE LAST WEEK.

SO THEY'RE SENDING ME A DRAFT.

LYNN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? I HAVEN'T SENT HER ANYTHING YET.

I HAVEN'T SENT, SO ANYTHING EDDIE JOHN'S FAULT ALWAYS.

THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

IT'S JUST THE MAIN THING IS OUR DEPARTMENT HAVING TO TAKE CALLS FROM THE VENDORS.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SEVERAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROGRAMMING OR HELPING ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE.

AND SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT I KNOW WE RENEWED JULY 3RD, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONTRACT DIDN'T JUST COVER THE PRE BOND.

LIKE, CAUSE THAT WAS PLANNING YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FREESE AND NICHOLS CONTRACT, RIGHT.

SO THERE WAS CLAUSE, THERE WERE CLAUSES IN THERE TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS PHASE OF IT.

BUT YOU, ALL RIGHT.

AND SO I NEED TO PUT A FINE POINT ON THAT TOO.

UH, THESE ARE FOR THE SMALLER TYPE PROJECTS.

SOMETHING THAT GETS TO BE A LARGER PROJECT LIKE HELMS TRAIL THAT IT WILL BE A INDIVIDUAL.

HE PROCURED A PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE CHASING STATE DOLLAR FOR THAT FEDERAL DOLLAR.

SO AS LONG AS WE'RE A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION ABOVE COLLECTOR, THEN WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR SURFACE TRANSPORTATION, BLOCK GRANT FUNDS, INDIVIDUAL PROJECT MEANING ENGINEERING, THE WHOLE ONE PRODUCT.

SO WE, WE DID DISCUSS THE IDEA OF MAYBE HIRING MORE THAN ONE FIRM

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TO DO THE COUNTY ROADS.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINDING THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE CONTRACTORS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ENGINEERING FIRMS OUT THERE THAT WANT TO DO CANADA.

THE SMALL STUFF, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA I'M A KILLER SHARK.

I BIG FITCH, RIGHT? THESE GUYS ARE, WELL, THEY EAT A LOT OF CREEL, SO THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF SMALL STUFF.

UM, THEY DO, THEY DO BIG FISH TO BIG FISH.

YES THEY DO.

UH, SO, SO THERE IS AN ECONOMY OF SKILL RELATED TO THESE INDIVIDUAL COUNTY ROADS, BUT INITIALLY THE FIRST PHASE IS TO GET THIS PLAN DONE.

AND THEN FIGURING OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT, UH, AFTER THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT I KEEP, OKAY.

THAT IS WHERE MY QUESTION COMES IN AND YES, EVEN EVEN YET, THERE ARE VERY FEW FIRMS THAT WOULD RESPOND TO AN RFQ FOR THESE SERVICES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED IN THAT WE'VE GONE OUT, SO I'LL GO, I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT JULY CONTRACT AND WITH CIVIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, HE HAD AN EXACT AMOUNT CONTRACT AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

THE EXISTING CONTRACTOR AND THE NEW PROPOSAL AND THE EXISTING, YEAH, IT HAD A, IT HAD A FIXED RATE, BUT THE SCOPE IS THEY'VE BEEN SELECTED FOR THE SCOPE.

SO ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THEN DONE IS A MAN.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED THEM TO GIVE ME THE SCOPE AND FEE BECAUSE WE MAY END UP JUST AMENDING THAT CONTRACT AS OPPOSED TO DOING A NEW CONTRACT.

AND WHAT'S THE CONCERN IS THIS IS A 60 DAY PROCESS.

HEY, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT THAT WE ORIGINALLY WENT OUT FOR RFQ WHEN YOU WERE AWARDED THIS BACK DURING I GUESS THE FIRST BOND ISSUANCE WE NEED TO STAY AT AROUND THAT FIVE-YEAR.

JUST TOO MUCH.

OKAY, WELL WE'RE PAST THAT.

I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING WITH, AND I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GUYS ARE JUST BRINGING THE SCOPE FOR THAT FIRST HALF FOR THE PLAN AND ASKING THE COURT TO AUTHORIZE THAT TO PROCEED ON THE PLAN.

AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EXISTING CONTRACT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE FROM 2018 DID YOU? UH, THE, THE JILL THERE, WHAT WE DID IS THE 18 ONE WAS BASED ON THE WHAT BEING THE MOST QUALIFIED FOR THE 13.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO THE 13TH OF THE QUALIFICATION, 18TH OF THE CONTRACT, AND NOW WE'RE PAST THE FIVE YEARS.

AND SO, UH, SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO NEED TO WORK OUT IS WE MAY HAVE TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MATERIAL TESTING AND THOSE THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT JUST BE ABLE TO, WE MAY GET THERE, BUT WE MAY NOT JUST BE ABLE TO UNILATERALLY PUT THAT INTO FREEZE CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, THAT TALKING TO PURCHASING AND THIRSTY AND THE CIVIL.

SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE DO TO, YOU GOT GREAT STAFF AND IF WE MISS ANYTHING THEY DON'T.

UM, AND IT'S, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP YOU IN THE MIDDLE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO PASS TO ITEM FOUR.

UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE FREESE AND NICHOLS THING.

MMM.

WELL WE HAD ON ITEM THREE WAS DISCUSSED CONSIDER TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION WOULD WE BE TAKING TODAY.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS THE, WE'RE GOING TO GET WITH ON THE, WITH THE FREEZE NICHOLS GUYS IN COMMISSIONER HUNCH REAL QUICKLY TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH HIS PROJECTS.

WE'RE GOING TO BACK FILL AND LOOK AT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER WE HAVE FOR WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO BASED ON THE CONTINGENCIES AND THE PROCUREMENT AND ET CETERA.

AND THEN WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND YOU ARE GETTING THE MONEY IN, UM, THE END OF THE MONTH.

THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE SAID YES TO IN YOUR PRECINCTS TO ENTER INTO INNER LOCALS WITH YOUR CITIES.

WE'LL START THAT PROCESS, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMING Y'ALL AND BEING INVOLVED AND HAVE Y'ALL INVOLVED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE CONTRACTING TO MAKE SURE IT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

UH, BUT THAT'S SEPARATE AND UH, ALONE FROM WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING WITH YOUR INDIVIDUAL COUNTY ROADS.

SO WE'LL START THAT CONCURRENT WITH RESOLVING THE ISSUE WITH COMMISSIONER HUNT AND THEN WE'LL COME TO MEET WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS TO START TALKING ABOUT THAT QUESTION OF SELF-PERFORM VERSUS PROCURE.

IS THAT FAIR? OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO WE, WE HAD ON ITEM THREE DISCUSSING CHAIR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR COFFIN COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE MOTION TO BE MADE.

DOES ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? IF THERE IS NO MOTION,

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CONSIDER EXITING INTO SPECIAL MEETING AND ENTERING INTO EXITING SPECIAL MEETING AND ENTERING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OKAY THEN, WELL THERE'S NO, DOESN'T NEED ANY ACTION THERE.

SO WE'LL PASS THAT ITEM.

AND THEN THIS ITEM FORGED, DISCUSS,

[4. Discuss/Consider exiting special meeting and entering into executive session.]

IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO ENTER AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND COMMISSIONER AND CAGE DISCUSSION.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WE'RE GOING TO MEET IN HERE.

UH, I GUESS, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

I GUESS WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP, UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE REBECCA PRESENT AND THE AUDITOR AND UH, THE UM, AND THE COURSE WE'LL KEEP, UH, WE HAVE THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE WITH US FROM THE EDC, SO, AND WE DON'T NEED YOU EITHER.

BAN, YOU'RE GOOD USE HERE FOR YOUR RADIO TRAINING.

TELL ANYBODY YOU WERE GOING TO DO RADIO.

HE CAME OVER AND TALKED TO THEM, WAS GOING TO TALK AND I DON'T KNOW, THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE VERY LONG.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN PUMPING WITH US.

WE'LL NEED AN AMENDMENT IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK.

IS THIS THING NOW? I DON'T KNOW.

ARE YOU TANK MAN? YEAH.

PURSUANT

[5. Executive Session: Pursuant to Section 551.087 of the Texas Government Code, the Commissioners Court will meet in closed session to discuss project Calcite.]

TO SECTION FIVE, FIVE 1.08, SEVEN OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL MEET IN CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS PROJECT CALCITE.

THESE PEOPLE.

THANK YOU LAURA OR WARREN OR WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT.

OH, NICE.

DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT? OKAY.

[6. Discuss/Consider exiting executive session and entering back into special meeting.]

MOTION TO EXIT EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ENTER BACK INTO THE, OUR SPECIAL MEETING.

SO MOVE.

WE HAD THAT MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER IN CASES OR SECOND.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES,

[7. Discuss/Consider taking any action needed as a result of executive session.]

UH, ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS, CONSIDERED TAKING ANY ACTION.

THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, BUT WE UH, IF THERE WAS A MOTION COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, IS YOUR SUCH A MOTION? YES, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROCEED, UH, WITH UH, WITH OUR ADC FROM FORNEY IN PROJECT CAL SIDE.