Mar 24, 2020 Emergency Commissioners Court

SUBSTANTIAL MEDICAL FACILITY.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DR BRASIER? DOCKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY, WHAT THE ICU CAPABILITY OF THE COUNTY IS AND A VENTILATOR, A CAPABILITY.

THE COFFMAN AND THE HOSPITAL TO TEXAS HEALTH RESOURCES HAS 11 ICU BEDS AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE 11 VENTILATORS.

I COULD EASILY GET THAT INFORMATION FOR SURE.

AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH DENISE CLAWSON.

SHE'S OUR CNO OR COO OF THE HOSPITAL AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL ME THEIR EXACT NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT SECOND CALL FROM THE HOSPITAL IS ESSENTIALLY OUR ONLY MMM.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE PREDICTIONS.

DOCTOR, COULD YOU, I GUESS EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S SO MUCH PANIC AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS, WHEN A NUMBERS OF INFLUENCE ARE MUCH HIGHER, WHY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO VIRUSES? IT'S MAKING THIS SO MUCH MORE DANGEROUS I GUESS.

UH, UH, IN A NUTSHELL IT'S BECAUSE OF THE NOVELTY OF THE CORONA VIRUS.

SO THE IDEA OF A CORONA VIRUS IS, HAS BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES.

I LEARNED ABOUT IT IN MED SCHOOL, SO THAT'S NOT NEW THAT THE TYPES OF CORONA VIRUS CAN CAUSE COLD AND FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS. OKAY.

THERE, THERE ARE DOZENS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF VIRUSES THAT CAN CAUSE THOSE TYPES OF SYMPTOMS INFLUENCES ONE OF THEM.

CORONAVIRUS THERE'S A DENTAL VIRUS, THERE'S PARENT INFLUENCE OF, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT NAMES OF THOSE VIRUSES.

SO THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS ONE IS THAT COVERT 19 SPECIFICALLY IS ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF A CORONA VIRUS.

AND WE DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THE HUMAN POPULATION OR HAD NEVER BEEN IDENTIFIED AND UNDER A MICROSCOPE BEFORE, UH, BEFORE IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN UCONN, CHINA.

SO ONCE IT WAS IDENTIFIED AND IT WAS SEEMED TO BE CAUSING SIGNIFICANT SYMPTOMS, THEN IT BECAME MUCH MORE CONCERNING AND MUCH MORE POSSIBLY ALARMING TO US.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAD SO FEW NUMBERS OF CASES OF COBIT 19, WE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO PREDICT.

SO WITH, WITH INFLUENZA, WHICH IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, IT'S HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.

IT'S A COMMON ENTITY.

IT CAUSES DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON, EXCEPT THAT OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS, WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CASES OF INFLUENZA THAT BEHAVE IN A VERY SIMILAR FASHION.

NOW, THERE'S MANY, MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF INFLUENCE, WHICH IS WHY YOU NEED A DIFFERENT FLU SHOT EVERY YEAR.

BUT KIND OF, LUCKILY FOR US AS A HUMAN RACE, MOST OF THOSE TYPES OF INFLUENZA TEND TO RESPOND AND REACT AND INFECT US IN MUCH THE SAME WAY.

AND

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THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.

YOU'VE HEARD OF H ONE N ONE, THE SWINE FLU.

YOU'VE HEARD OF THE AVIAN FLU, THOSE PARTICULAR ONES WHERE YOU'RE IDENTIFIED SAID, HEY, THAT'S A NOVEL INFLUENZA VIRUS.

THERE WAS CONCERN AND THEN AS WE WATCHED IT, WE DETERMINED, OKAY, IT'S INFECTIVITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, ITS ABILITY TO REPLICATE ITSELF AND BECOME DANGEROUS TO MORE AND MORE PEOPLE APPEARED TO BE SOMEWHAT LIMITED.

WE WERE ABLE TO CONTAIN IT, WE'RE ABLE TO MONITOR IT AND EVENTUALLY IT DIED OUT IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS AS OTHER INFLUENCE OF VIRUSES HAVE AND SO, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFERENT IN SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT WE INITIALLY FOLLOWED.

WHERE WERE TWO THINGS.

ONE OF THEM WAS WHAT WE CALL THE INFECTIVITY NUMBER, WHICH IS WE CALL THAT OUR ZERO.

SO IF YOU SEE THAT ARE ZERO IN A, IN A GRAPHIC, THAT'S WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO.

AND THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER FOR AN INFLUENZA VIRUS IS USUALLY RIGHT AROUND ONE OR A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN ONE IN THAT.

THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS FOR EVERY ONE PERSON THAT HAS INFLUENCED HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ALSO GET INFLUENZA.

AND SO IT'S USUALLY LESS THAN ONE PERSON WILL GET INFLUENZA FROM THAT ONE PERSON.

THAT WOULD THAT ARE ZERO WITH THE FEW, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE COMING OUT FROM THE EARLY STAGES OF UM, THE COBIT 19, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT NUMBER WAS AROUND THREE TO FOUR.

AND THAT MAY NOT SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT IT DOES NOT TAKE LONG TO BEGIN TO DOUBLE AND DOUBLE AND EXPONENTIALLY GO UP WHEN YOU'RE ABOVE ONE.

ESSENTIALLY IF YOU'RE AT ONE OR BELOW, THEN THE VIRUS WILL CONTAIN ITSELF AND IT'LL BE SELF-LIMITED.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW EVENTUALLY FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE WILL GET THE DISEASE AND THEY'LL ISOLATE THEMSELVES LONG ENOUGH THAT THEY WILL NOT TRANSMIT IT TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO THAT OUR ZERO IS KIND OF A BIG NUMBER.

AND THEN THE OTHER NUMBER, WHICH IS REALLY DEBATABLE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE A TOTAL VOLUME OF CASES, KNOW FOR SURE IS THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES PER INFECTION.

THAT'S WHERE YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE, UM, 0.6 0.7 0.8% FOR INFLUENZA.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, 0.8% OF PEOPLE THAT GET THE INFECTION POTENTIALLY WOULD BE FATAL.

THAT'D BE A PREDICTED NUMBER.

UM, AND WITH COVERT 19, THAT NUMBER, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NUMBERS THAT WERE COMING OUT EARLY ON FROM SOUTH KOREA, FROM CHINA, AND THEN FROM ITALY, UH, THAT NUMBER HAS RANGED ANYWHERE FROM THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ALL THE WAY UP TO SIX OR SEVEN OR 8%, WHICH IS A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF INFECTION, IF WE WERE TO EXTRAPOLATE IN A VERY SCARY WAY THAT IT HAD THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE INFECTED WITH INFLUENCER RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED STATES ACTUALLY HAD COVE AT 19 INSTEAD, THEN THE NUMBERS OF DEATHS WOULD BE MASSIVELY DIFFERENT.

LUCKILY, WE'RE NOT QUITE AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SO WE HOPE TO NEVER GET TO THOSE NUMBERS, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THIS VIRUS IS GOING TO ACT.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN REIGN IN THAT INFECTIVITY NUMBER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I GUESS OUR WRITING, I MEAN, DID YOU SAY THAT I DIDN'T, I MEAN YOU JUST HAVE ZERO, BUT WHERE ARE WE ON THAT CHART NOW? UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE ONE.

WE HAVE SOME ESTIMATES SO WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CASES OF INFLUENZA AND OVER DECADES AND YEARS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH PERCENTAGES AND NUMBERS.

BUT WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND CASES OF A COBRA 19 WHICH HAS GIVEN US A BETTER PICTURE.

BUT AGAIN, WE STILL ARE NOT EVEN AT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT YOU WOULD SAY TO BE ACCURATE CAUSE WE'VE REALLY ONLY HAD ONE WINTER OF COBIT 19 BUT WE'VE HAD HUNDREDS OF FALLS, HUNDREDS OF WINTERS, HUNDREDS OF SPRINGS OF INFLUENCE.

AND WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE SPRING OR THE SUMMER OR THE FALL OR THE WINTER AGAIN OF COVERT 19 PART TWO.

AND I GUESS I WAS PART OF MY OTHER QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE OUR FLU VIRUS BELOW THE EQUATOR TOO MUCH.

IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE HOT WEATHER FOR SOME REASON.

AND YOU THINK THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY, CAUSE I NOTICED THAT THEY'RE POPPING UP AND PRO AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN SOUTH AMERICA STARTING TO POP UP.

THEY'RE PART OF THE REASON FOR THE LACK OF A SUMMER FLU SEASON IS REALLY NOT BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS DOESN'T LIKE WARM WEATHER.

IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S FEWER PEOPLE CLOSE TOGETHER AND THAT IS SPREAD OUT IN THE SUMMER AND YOU JUST GET MORE SPREAD OUT AND THERE'S LESS INFECTIVITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE SO CONFIDENT IN TELLING PEOPLE IF WE CAN DO THE SOCIAL DISTANCING, WE CAN MAKE A DENT, WE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

IT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT FROM OTHER INFECTIONS OF ANY KIND, NOT JUST INFLUENZA, BUT BY IT GETS OUTSIDE AND BREEZE AND QUITS, IT CAN CERTAINLY PRESUME BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT INFECTIVITY.

WE, WE BELIEVE IT WILL HELP.

AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ARTIFICIALLY CREATE SUMMER TYPE ENVIRONMENTS BY, BY KEEPING PEOPLE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER AND LIMITING THAT EXPOSURE

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WORKED FOR ME.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, MAYBE MAYBE AN OUR SITUATION, NOT NECESSARILY IN DALLAS, BUT MAYBE IN WEST TEXAS AND OTHER PLACES.

THERE'S, THE POPULATION IS SO THIN AND SPREAD OUT MORE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BUYERS AS BAD AS NEW YORK CITY OR MIAMI OR LOS ANGELES, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY.

THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPE FOR IS, IS THE LESS CONGESTED WE ARE, THE BETTER, THE BETTER WE'LL OFFER WILL BE.

UM, I THINK THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH NUMBERS TO BE CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT AND TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD PROBABLY STILL FOLLOW PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME ADVICE AND PRECAUTIONS, BUT, BUT YES, SIR.

WE HOPE SO.

THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

AND SO HOW DO THOSE NUMBERS RELATE TO KAUFMAN COUNTY? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A BASIS, DO WE HAVE A, FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, CAN WE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE AT IN A TIMELINE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WHEN IT'S EXPECTED TO PEAK OR WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS OUR CASES NOW? OR WHAT CAN WE EXPECT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS HERE? AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT A METROPOLITAN AREA AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET DATA FROM LIKE OUTLYING AREAS OF NEW YORK CITY OR KNOW OR WHATEVER TO KIND OF GET THAT KIND OF DATA TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE, HOW SHOULD PROGRESS HERE.

YES, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT ANSWER.

UM, NONE OF WHICH, UM, I'M HOPING NONE OF WHICH GIVE YOU A FIRM ANSWER.

THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A, A CORRECT ANSWER TO THAT.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME IDEAS THAT CAN GO INTO THAT FACTORING.

ONE OF THE MOST OBVIOUS BEING THAT WE'RE LESS CONGESTED THAN THE METROPOLITAN AREAS, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS SPREAD.

SO, SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GOING TO BE A BEHIND THE CURVE OF GETTING THE FIRST FEW CASES HERE AND B, WHEN WE DO GET CASES HERE, THE SPREAD WILL BE SOMEWHAT MITIGATED SOMEWHAT.

SO.

YES, SIR.

UM, THE OTHER FACTOR TO KEEP IN MIND IS BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF TESTING, AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY HAS A LACK OF TESTING, I'M JUST MEANING ALL OF TEXAS.

ALL OF THE UNITED STATES HAS A HUGE LACK OF TESTING.

THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF TEST KITS ARE GOING TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED IN THOSE METROPOLITAN AREAS.

AND SO THOSE NUMBERS WILL ALSO HELP THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

SO BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT TRAVEL, BECAUSE OF THE, THE COMMERCE THAT OCCURS BETWEEN OUR COUNTY, BETWEEN DALLAS COUNTY, UH, BECAUSE MANY OF US COULD PROBABLY NAME AT LEAST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW THAT WERE ON AN AIRPLANE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE KNOW THAT THE SPREAD IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETELY ISOLATED HERE THEORETICALLY, AND WHERE WE ARE LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED RIGHT NOW, WHICH THE MORE LIKELY ANSWER TO US NOT HAVING A CURRENT CASE.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A KAUFMAN COUNTY POSITIVE, UM, AS OF THIS MORNING.

BUT THE LIKELY ANSWER TO THAT IS PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE.

IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED.

AND BECAUSE, OR BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO DID HAVE IT, UH, DID WHAT WE ADVISED IN STATE AT HOME AND HAS RECOVERED.

BECAUSE AGAIN, EVEN WITH THOSE SCARY NUMBERS I WAS GIVING YOU BEFORE, THAT STILL LEAVES A HUGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT DO RECOVER AND DO WELL.

AND SO HOPEFULLY POSSIBLY MAYBE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD IT WERE ABLE TO RECOVER AT HOME ALREADY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES MEAN THAT IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN OUR, IN OUR COUNTY.

AND SO FOR US TO WAIT UNTIL AN ACTUAL LABORATORY CONFIRMED POSITIVE CASE IS PRODUCED IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT RECKLESS IN MY OPINION, TO, TO WAIT FOR JUST THAT MOMENT TO MAKE DECISIONS.

AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN THE, I'VE BEEN, I THINK WE'VE TAKEN SOME PROACTIVE MEASURES.

WE'VE DONE THE SOCIAL DISTANCING, WE'VE DECLARED THE DISASTER LONG BEFORE.

UM, I THINK WE'RE AHEAD OF IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE AHEAD OF IT AND TO NOT WAIT A MAJOR DECISION BASED ON WHEN THAT NUMBER TURNS POSITIVE.

I GUESS TOO, IF YOU WOULD, WHILE YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXPLAINING SOME OF THIS STUFF, TELL US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY MYSELF SO WELL, BUT THE COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION OF THE DISEASE OR THE VIRUS VERSUS HOW IT GOT STARTED BY COMING IN THE ORIGINAL CASES OF THE VIRUS THAT WE KNEW ABOUT THAT HAD AFFECTED UNITED STATES CITIZENS OR AMERICANS THAT WERE ALL AMERICANS THAT HAD TRAVELED ABROAD AND THAT HAD BEEN EXPOSED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND AT THE, AT THE TIME WE WERE HOPEFUL LIKE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF SOME OF THOSE DISEASES WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A SELF LIMITED AND WE COULD ISOLATE THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT WE COULD PROVE THAT THAT REALLY YOUR ONLY MAJOR DANGER WOULD BE IF YOU ACTUALLY WERE IN AN AREA

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THAT HAD IT ENDEMICALLY IN OTHER WORDS THAT HAD IT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO OUR HOPE AND OUR PLAN WAS TO, WAS TO REALLY DESIGNATE ONLY IF YOU TRAVELED, ARE YOU EVEN AT RISK.

ONCE THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY SPREAD, I THINK WE'D LEARNED MORE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY A FACTOR ANYMORE.

SO TRAVEL REALLY IS NOT IMPORTANT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED WAS, WAS THE INCUBATION PERIOD WAS QUITE A BIT LONGER THAN THE TYPICAL INFLUENZA.

AND SO WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS QUITE A FEW ASYMPTOMATIC PEOPLE THAT HAD COME BACK FROM TRAVEL AND HAD SPREAD IT ALREADY EVEN LONG.

EVEN WHEN WE WERE THINKING, HEY, ONLY THE ONES WHO TRAVELED CAN POSSIBLY TRANSMIT THIS.

IN FACT, WE HAD HOPED AND THAT THE ONES WHO TRAVELED IN WERE SYMPTOMATIC WERE THE ONES THAT WE HAD TO REALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

I THINK WE'VE LEARNED DIFFERENTLY.

SO I THINK THAT JUST THE TRAVEL, UM, CRITERIA IS NO LONGER VALID AS FAR AS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE DISEASE.

WE HAVE TO JUST PRESUME NOW THAT IT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND IS VERY LIKELY TO BE SPREADING QUIETLY AND UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE.

AND, AND ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO KIND OF TELL THE, THE PUBLIC, I GUESS SANITARY MEASURES DIDN'T USE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT LIKE GLOVES AND MASK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I KNOW I WAS INVOLVED IN MY YEARS AS BEING A PARAMEDIC AND THEN HAZMAT, STUFF LIKE THAT.

I MEAN THERE ARE TECHNIQUES THAT YOU NEED TO FOLLOW WHEN YOU'RE USING GLOVES AND REMOVING THE GLOVES AND TAKING OFF YOUR PROTECTIVE GEAR.

WHERE ARE YOU CAN KEEP CONTAMINATED AGAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THE SOCIAL DISTANCING.

THEY'RE TRYING TO WEAR GLOVES, HANDLING MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THAT'S SOMETIMES I THINK THAT'S A, I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT A FALSE COMFORT OR WHATEVER THAT THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THROUGH MY EYES I SEE THEM TAKING MY MONEY AND RUNNING THE CASH REGISTER AND STUFF AND DOING EVERYTHING WITH THEIR GLOVES AND THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN USING YOUR HANDS.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF EDUCATION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW? YES SIR.

BASICALLY WASH YOUR HANDS OR WASH YOUR GLOVES.

UM, I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES A DAY A MASK IS NOT EXACTLY COMFORTABLE, HOW MANY TIMES A DAY DO YOU REACH UP AND ADJUST IT AND TRY TO MOVE IT BECAUSE IT TICKLED YOUR NOSE OR WHATEVER REASON LIKE THAT IF YOU THINK WEARING A MASK ALL DAY LONG HAS HELPED YOU, IT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY MADE IT WORSE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TOUCHING YOUR FACE EVEN MORE THAN YOU HAD BEFORE.

YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT WASHING YOUR HANDS IMMEDIATELY AFTER EVERY INTERACTION IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WEARING A PAIR OF GLOVES.

FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S MUCH, MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE.

SO JUST PLAIN SOAP AND WATER IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR BEST BET AND TO WASH YOUR HANDS DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES A DAY REGARDLESS OF OF YOUR OCCUPATION OR WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR WHAT YOU'RE TOUCHING IS IS ABSOLUTELY A GREAT IDEA AND WEARING GLOVES DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM STILL NEEDING THAT.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO WEAR GLOVES, YOU SHOULD WASH YOUR GLOVED HANDS DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES A DAY.

SO IT'S REALLY POINTLESS TO WEAR THE GLOVES FOR A PROLONGED BASIS.

IT'S, IT MAKES SENSE IN A MEDICAL SETTING BECAUSE THEY'RE SINGLE USE.

YOU ARE ABLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN WITH THAT PARTICULAR CASE.

AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE THAT ENVIRONMENT, YOU ACCURATELY AND CAREFULLY REMOVE THOSE GLOVES ALONG WITH THE GOWN AND THE FACE SHIELD AND THE MASK THAT MAY ALSO HAVE COME INTO CONTACT WITH BODY FLUIDS.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THOSE.

AND THOSE ARE SINGLE USE ENTITIES AND WE DO NOT HAVE AN INFINITE SUPPLY OF SINGLE USE.

PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND OUR MEDICAL PERSONNEL ARE MUCH HIGHER RISK OF CONTRACTING AND CONTRACTING DISEASES IF THEY DON'T HAVE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT MUCH MORE INFECTIOUS PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AT THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO FOR THEM JUST LEAVING THE ROOM IN WASHINGTON, THEIR HANDS WILL NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE.

THEY NEED THAT PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.

AND THEN AFTER THEY GET OUT OF THAT, I GUARANTEE YOU THEY ALSO STILL WASH THEIR HANDS.

BUT IT'S IMPERATIVE AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, HOARDING OF THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF EQUIPMENT LEST WE BECOME OUT OF IT AT A PLACE LIKE A HOSPITAL SETTING WHERE IT'S MUCH MORE NEEDED AND MUCH MORE NECESSARY AND CAN ONLY BE USED ONE TIME BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOULD ONLY BE USED ONE TIME APPROPRIATELY.

THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE IF YOU ARE SICK YOURSELF, IF YOU HAVE FEVER AND A COUGH AND YOU USE A MASK OF ALMOST ANY KIND, IT'S GOING TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE AN MASK.

UM, IF YOU'RE THE ONE SICK BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT DROPLET SPREAD JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO COUGH OR WHEN YOU DO SNEEZE, IT DOES HELP KIND OF REDUCE THAT AIRBORNE SPREAD.

UM, AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF USING A MASK, BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE SICK YOURSELF, WHICH IS WHY WHEN YOU ARRIVE AT A MEDICAL FACILITY, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY'LL DO IS GIVE YOU A MASK.

IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING IN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK AND BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY'LL DO IS GIVE YOU A MASK AND THEN ESCORT YOU TO A, UM, A MORE ISOLATED ROOM TO HELP YOU WITH, WITH MAINTAINING THAT ISOLATION.

BUT, BUT WEARING A MASK JUST RANDOMLY BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE PROTECTING YOURSELF AS IS NOT ACCURATE.

THERE'S JUST WAY TOO MANY OTHER WAYS FOR IT TO GET IN, UM, AROUND THE MASK ITSELF, THE EYES.

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SO, UM, SO I WOULD WARN AGAINST THAT NOT ONLY TO HELP PROTECT AND KEEP THE NUMBERS OF EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE FOR OUR HOSPITAL STAFF, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT EFFECTIVE.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE COMPARISON BETWEEN, UH, THE FLU AND THE COVEN.

19 VIRUS YOU, YOU SAID WAS ABOUT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS THAT THE COVIN VIRUS IS MORE OF A LURKING THING AND THAT IT, IT FROM THE TIME YOU BECOME INFECTED TO THE TIME YOU SHOW SYMPTOMS CAN BE, WE THINK IT'S LONGER THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH FLU.

MOST OF THE STUDIES WE'VE SEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HAVE AN INCUBATION PERIOD.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO DAYS, WHICH IS MORE LIKE FLU, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO POSSIBLY 10 OR 11 DAYS.

AND THERE MAY BE SOME STUDIES WHERE IT'S HARDER THAN THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHY THE 14 DAYS CAME OUT AS A SAFEGUARD.

SO THAT MAKES IT INHERENTLY MORE DANGEROUS FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES IT MORE EASILY TRANSMISSIBLE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT KNOWING OR REALIZING THEY ARE CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE VIRUS IN THEIR BODY, UM, AND THEY'RE POSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT IT.

THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE, IF THE, THE FLU THAT WE KNOW WITH ALL OF OUR YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE FLU IS ONE PERSON GETS, THE FLU TYPICALLY WILL TRANSMIT IT TO ONE PERSON OR LESS.

BUT THE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND I UNDERSTAND THE EXPONENTIAL EFFECT OF HAVING, IF YOU AFFECT ONE TO TWO INSTEAD OF ONE TO ONE, THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT SKEWS THAT LINE UP PRETTY FAST.

SO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WITH BETTER TESTING THAT WE MAY ACTUALLY FIND THAT IT IS CLOSER TO ONE OR LESS THAN ONE.

AND IT MAY BE THAT WE END UP REALIZING, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT AS INFECTIVE AS INFLUENZA, THEREFORE WE CAN MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I WOULD, I WOULD HESITATE TO HOPE AND PRAY AND WISH FOR THAT NUMBER TO BE LIKE FLU AT THIS POINT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE NUMBERS WE'VE SEEN HAVE SHOWN THAT IT LOOKS HIGHER THAN FLU RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I'D RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, BUT THAT NUMBER, THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT IS LOOKING BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR WHATEVER AND SEE IF WE GOT THAT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO REALLY FIGURE IT OUT.

RIGHT? WELL, YES SIR.

AND RESPECTFULLY, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR YEARS.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR YEARS UNTIL WE HAVE MANY MORE NUMBERS, BUT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA AS TIME GOES ON.

SO WE GET SIR EVERY, EVERY TIME WE GET AN EXPONENTIAL NUMBER THAT GOES UP.

THE GOOD NEWS BEHIND THAT IS, OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT SOME MORE DATA AND MEDICINE.

IF NOTHING ELSE IS DRIVEN A LOT BY DATA.

SO HAS THE DIFF, THE DECISIONS WE'LL MAKE WILL BE BETTER ONCE WE HAVE MORE DATA.

ANYBODY ELSE? SO BACK TO OUR, I MEAN, OUR TRUE PURPOSE HERE IS TO DISCUSS OR AT LEAST TO CONSIDER THIS THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER IN THE EXTENSION OF OUR DISASTER ORDER.

SO I THINK IT'S CRITICAL, UH, WHILE ALL OF THOSE MEDICAL FACTORS ARE, AND INFORMATION IS, UH, IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO, FOR US TO CONSIDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT OUR COUNTY FINDS ITSELF IN.

BLIP TIED TO DALLAS AND, UH, THE DALLAS COUNTY'S, UM, CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH THIS.

UM, UH, AS, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE HAVE LIMITED HEALTHCARE CAPABILITY IN THE COUNTY.

THE REALITY IS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR POPULATION, 50 TO 60% RESIDE IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THIS COUNTY, WHICH IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A SUBURB OF DALLAS.

SO AS, AS THE DALLAS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A RELATED COMMUNITIES, HEALTHCARE BELL CURVE GOES SODAS, VERY LIKELY.

SO DOES THE MAJORITY OF OUR POPULATIONS OR THE IMPACT ON IT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, RELATED IS WE ALSO HAVE NOT ONLY LIMITED MEDICAL FACILITIES BUT LIMITED HEALTHCARE STAFFING AS WELL IN THIS COUNTY.

SO, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT VIEW KAUFMAN COUNTY JUST AS AN ISOLATED, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUR GEOGRAPHY THAT IS RURAL AND HAS SORT OF INHERENT SOCIAL, WE HAVE A HUGE POPULATION NUMBER THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.

THEY REALLY EXIST IN AN URBAN OR AT LEAST A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT.

SO I THINK THOSE KINDS OF FACTORS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COURT AS WE, AS WE MAKE OUR DECISION ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDER.

I THINK WE ARE, LIKE IT OR NOT, WE'RE AN EXTRA

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AND, AND I THINK ALSO IT MIGHT BE VERY LIKELY THAT, UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS REALLY, THEY, AS I SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUBURBANITES FOR DALLAS IN LARGE PART.

THEY SHOP THERE, THEY WORK THERE.

THEY PROBABLY, A LOT OF THEM SEEK THEIR MEDICAL CARE IN THAT, IN THAT DALLAS COUNTY ENVIRONMENT.

SO, UH, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, UM, SOME, SOME VIRUS NUMBERS, SOME OF THIS COVEN 19 NUMBERS MIGHT BE ACTUALLY PRESENT IN DALLAS COUNTY'S, UH, INVENTORY AND NOT YET SHOWN IN KAUFFMAN.

SO I JUST THINK THAT, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO, TO VIEW OURSELVES AS A, AS A MORE REMOTE, ISOLATED COUNTY, BUT WE, WE REALLY DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND HOW TIED WE ARE TO DALLAS.

UNLIKE MANY OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

UH, COLLIN COUNTY, TARRANT COUNTY, UH, EVEN ROCKWELL AND ELLIS FOR THAT MATTER, THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, IN THOSE COUNTIES, BETTER EXISTING MEDICAL FACILITIES AND CAPABILITIES THAN WE HAVE HERE.

SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE, WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, UH, CONSIDER AT LEAST APPLICATION OF DALLAS'S, UH, ACTIONS AND THEIR STANDARDS OVER THERE.

EVERY TIME YOU GO TO WALMART IN KAUFFMAN OR BROOKSHIRE'S OR THE GROCERY AND BROOKSHIRE'S, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST CAME FROM DALLAS COUNTY.

YEAH, SURE.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DR BRASIER? OKAY.

DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, THAT IS A CONCERN? I THINK ABOUT THAT.

I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT SINCE IT'S SHOWED UP.

UH, NEXT WINTER, I GUESS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I MEAN IS IT, I MEAN, IS IT GOING TO COME BACK JUST LIKE THE FLU NOW? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS EVERY YEAR THEN? I MEAN IN THAT CONFERENCE, I MEAN SURE.

IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY LIKELY THAT THE EXACT SAME STRAIN WILL COME BACK IN THE SAME NUMBERS.

IF WE CAN USE THE NUMBERS THAT WE SEE FROM OTHER STRAINS.

UM, THE INFLUENZA STRAIN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR.

SO SOMETIMES IT'S WORSE THAN OTHERS.

YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THIS FLU SEASON.

THERE WAS TWO TIMES OR FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER OF DEATHS AS THERE WERE LAST FLU SEASON.

YOU'LL, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS YEAR.

I THINK ONE 23 THIS YEAR IS WORSE THAN THAN LAST YEAR.

BUT I THINK 2017 WAS ONE OF THE WORST FLU SEASONS WE'VE HAD ON RECORD.

AND SO, UM, WE DON'T KNOW.

IS THE, IS THE FIRST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BUT, BUT IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT JUSTICE HERE, WE, WE HOPE NOT.

YEAH, I GOT YOU.

YEAH, IT IS.

IT'S SCARY.

IT'S JUST LIKE A MAGISTRATE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO DALLAS POLICE OF THEM, ONE OF THEM MY SON.

AND THEN THAT IS WHY THERE'S ALSO OUR EMERGENCY ROOM NURSE.

SURE.

IN MANY OF OUR MAINTENANCE, ANY OF OUR MEDICAL STAFF HAVE TWO JOBS.

I HAVE TWO DOCTORS, A LOT OF OUR NURSES, A LOT OF OUR TECHS, A LOT OF OUR, UM, HOSPITAL STAFF WORKS FOR THE HOSPITAL BUT ALSO WORKS IN A DALLAS HOSPITALS.

THEN, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET AWAY FROM IT EXCEPT MY DISTANCE EXCEPT MY SOCIAL DISTANCE.

MEET WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE R, OH, EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU DR BRASIER.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, SHERIFF WHERE YOU ASK, UH, IF, UH, UH, RAY DUNLOP IS OUT THERE, IF HE STILL WANTS TO SPEAK TO US, RIGHT? NO, GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

STEP UP TO A MICROPHONE.

TELL US WHO YOU ARE.

I AM RIGHT ON LAB ONE FIVE OH TWO TWO SADDLE RIDGE CIRCLE.

TERRELL, TEXAS.

THANK YOU JUDGE.

AND A COMMISSIONER.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE TERRELL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, MAYOR RICK CARMONA.

AND FIRST OF ALL, WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME DIFFICULT THINGS IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT AND WE WANT TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE.

WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT ANY ORDER THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK, KEEP THEIR HOUSES, KEEP THEIR CARS.

UH, IN TALKING TO OUR MANUFACTURERS, THEY'RE ALREADY PRACTICING SOCIAL DISTANCING AND NUMBER OF THEM HAVE CUT MEETINGS OUT.

THEY DON'T

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THEY'RE WORKING TO KEEP THEIR PEOPLE SEPARATED.

AND SO WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THOSE ESSENTIAL WORD.

I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

UM, TARIFF, WOULD YOU ASK BRANDY, BRANDY JONES IS STILL OUT THERE.

SHE HAS, RIGHT? HELLO.

GOOD MORNING.

WILL YOU TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU LIVE? BRANDY JONES, I'M IN FORNEY, TEXAS.

I'M THE OWNER OF COOPER'S COTTAGE CHILDCARE.

UM, CAN I ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE I SPEAK? UH, IS THE CURRENT MANDATE THAT ARE PROPOSING GOING TO EXCLUDE CHILDCARE STILL? YES.

IS IT GOING TO ALLOW FOR A WAIVER FOR BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO PUT CERTAIN PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO GO AHEAD AND UH, OPERATE EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED ESSENTIAL? THERE WAS A ONE SENTENCE LINE IN THAT ORDER THAT, UH, THAT OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, WE REALIZE THAT, OR I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THAT WE CAN'T CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.

SO IN THAT ORDER, WHICH IS STILL, I MEAN, WE, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR DECIDED YET WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT, BUT UH, THAT ORDER HAS A, HAS A LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SOMEONE COULD COME TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, KAUFMAN COUNTY EMERGENT MANAGEMENT AND, AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS.

IT'S BETTER TO JUST PRACTICE WASHING YOUR HANDS.

UH, FOR AN YESTERDAY I WAS AT THE MEETING THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AT THE FORNEY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE IN THERE AS A WAIVER WHERE A BUSINESS CAN SUBMIT ONLINE, A WAIVER TO OPERATE AS LONG AS THEY'RE MAKING CERTAIN PROTOCOLS.

I HIGHLY SUGGEST Y'ALL CONSIDER MAKING THAT FOR ALL BUSINESSES.

EVEN THE ESSENTIAL ONES.

I WAS ABLE TO WALK INTO THIS BUSINESS AND NOBODY CHECKED MY TEMPERATURE.

NOBODY ASKED ME IF I'VE HAD A FEVER.

NO ONE'S CHECKED ME FOR SYMPTOMS, ASK IF I'VE HAD SYMPTOMS, AND WE WERE STANDING AT ONE TIME, NINE OF US IN THE HALLWAY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER AND THERE WAS NO SAFE GUARDS YET.

THREE PEOPLE DURING THE LAST HOUR THAT I'VE BEEN STANDING OUT THERE HAVE COME IN WINNING REGISTRATION TO GO PAST US AND THERE WERE SIMPLY ASKED, DO YOU HAVE A FEVER? DO YOU HAVE A COUGH? DO YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY BREATHING NOW? OKAY, GO IN.

MEANWHILE, I SAW DOZENS OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT FOR THIS MEETING AND SIGNING IT WITH NO PROTOCOLS AT ALL.

MY DAYCARE FOR TWO WEEKS NOW, EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS ENTERED OUR BUILDING HAS BEEN CHECKED FOR A TEMPERATURE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS ASKED SCREENING QUESTIONS AND CHECKED FOR PROBLEMS, BREATHING, COUGHING, RESPIRATORY ISSUES.

WE'VE ASKED THEM IF THEY'VE TRAVELED.

WE'VE ASKED THEM IF THEY'VE HAD A BEEN AROUND FAMILY THAT'S TRAVELED ABROAD.

WE'VE ASKED THEM IF THEY'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO ANYONE AT COVEN.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS OUT THERE AND I DIDN'T SEE A SINGLE THERMOMETER.

I SAW A SMALL DEALER PARRAL THAT EVERYBODY'S TOUCHING AND THEN EVERYBODY'S TOUCHING EVERYTHING.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME UP AND SPOKEN HAVE TOUCHED THIS.

THERE ARE CERTAIN SAFEGUARDS THAT PRODUCT THAT BUSINESSES CAN PUT IN TO MAKE OUR LIMITS, LIMIT OUR EXPOSURE AND LIMIT OTHER'S EXPOSURE, INCLUDING THIS PLACE.

CAUSE Y'ALL ARE LAWMAKERS.

WE NEED Y'ALL SAFE.

WE NEED Y'ALL READY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.

AND IF IT'S NOT EVEN HAPPENING HERE, HOW DO WE EXPECT OTHERS TO DO IT? SO WE NEED GOOD EXAMPLES HERE AND IN OUR BUSINESSES, BUT GIVE THEM CHANCES TO MAKE PROTOCOLS.

GIVE THEM LIKE HAIR SALONS.

I HELPED TWO HAIR SALONS LAST NIGHT IN FORNEY.

COME UP WITH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR THEIR WAIVER SO THEY CAN KEEP BUSINESS GOING.

BECAUSE IF THEY CLOSE DOWN FOR AN UNKNOWN TIME, THEY ARE NOT OPENING BACK UP.

WE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT NEED TO STAY IN BUSINESS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THEIR WAIVERS THAT THEY'LL HAVE FOUR SALONS, UH, BARBERS WORKING AT A TIME, FOUR CLIENTS AT A TIME, NO MORE GIVING A TWO PERSON WAIVER.

SO IF SOMEBODY WALKS IN WITH NOW A DELIVERY CAUSE DELIVERIES HAVE TO CONTINUE FOR BUSINESSES TO GO, THEY GOT TO BRING US OUR SANITATION PRODUCTS THAT GIVES A WAIVER FOR IF A CHILD COMES IN AS A CLIENT, THERE'S A PARENT THERE WITH THEM AND THEY'VE GOT THAT LITTLE BUMPER OF TWO PEOPLE.

BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN ASK, WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT GIVES SOME DIRECTIVE BECAUSE BUSINESSES DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

AND THOSE BARBERS HAD NO CLUE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO TRY TO MAKE THEIR BUSINESS SAFE TO WORK AND CONTINUE ON.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SITTING.

WE'RE TIGHT.

UM, HE MENTIONED ABOUT THE GLOVES AND THE MASK.

PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THEY THINK THEY JUST PUT THE MASK ON AND THE GLOVES ON AND THEY'RE SAFE.

THE MASS CAN MAKE THEM MORE SICK BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING THERE HAVING MOISTURE THAT GOES INTO THEIR LUNGS AND CAN HELP THIS STUFF DEVELOP FASTER.

PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GLOVES.

DON'T KEEP THEM SAFE.

THAT JUST SPREADS IT BECAUSE THEY STICK TO THAT OUTSIDE OF THE GLOVES AND THEY'RE NOT WASHING THOSE GLOVES.

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DON'T STEP.

IF YOU'LL GIVE THE DIRECTION TO THE BUSINESSES AND GIVE THEM WHAT STEPS DO YOU WANT THEM TO TAKE BEFORE THEY OPEN? THEY CAN OPEN SAFELY IN A SECURE MANNER AND STILL SURVIVE.

WE ARE A SMALL COUNTY AND SMALL PLACE OF BUSINESSES.

WE CAN'T SURVIVE IF WE CLOSE.

I'M LUCKY BECAUSE I'M IN A BUSINESS THAT IS ESSENTIAL, BUT A LOT OF MY CO, MY FRIENDS AND MY PARENTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO MY CHILDCARE, THEY WON'T HAVE BUSINESSES.

THEY'LL BE ON UNEMPLOYMENT AND THEY'LL BE ON ASSISTANCE FOR YEARS TO COME IF THEIR BUSINESSES CLOSE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

EVERYBODY'S STANDING THERE.

TALK TO STEVE FOR JUST A SECOND AND SEE IF HE HAS ANYTHING.

HE WILL TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

SIX AND SEVEN BEING THE PART OUT THERE.

DID THEY MAKE ANY LAND? WE DON'T HAVE ANY AT THE MOMENT.

AND I HAD ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

I THOUGHT I WOULD BE LAUGHING THAT OFF IN BETWEEN.

SHE DOES HAVE A POINT.

DID WE PASS A NORMAL CLASS COUNTY BUILDINGS LAST? YEAH.

THEY STILL DON'T HAVE, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, GARY.

HIS THING ME IS, AND I'M TELLING YOU, THE TRAILER IS GOING TO COME BACK EVERY YEAR.

WE COULD BE DOING THIS ALL OVER AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

ALL RIGHT.

IT NEVER DIE OUT.

WHAT MAKES IT DIE OUT? I GUESS WE'RE STILL ON LAND.

I'M TALKING TO EVERYBODY OUT THERE.

THAT'S OKAY.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

IT IS A QUESTION.

I'VE GOT A PLAN NOW TO GET ME THE MEALS IN CALIFORNIA.

THE ONE, I'LL PUT IT IN THE MAIL, JUST DON'T PICK UP THE MAIL.

THE MAILMAN STACKED THEM UP, BRINGING THEM ONCE A MONTH.

THAT GOES AWAY.

BUT IT'S TIME TO GET ALL THAT.

UH, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE DO.

UM, YEAH, PLEASE SIR.

NO ASKING ME IF HE WANTS.

DOES HE HAVE SOMETHING HE NEEDED TO SAY? YES.

I MEAN LIKE TO SAY TO US, UH, REGARDING THE THERMOMETERS, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, THAT, UH, WE'VE ORDERED THERMOMETERS.

UH, YOU WON'T BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT, THAT THEY'RE IN SHORT SUPPLY.

THE WE'RE EARLIEST DATE IS APRIL THE NINTH.

UH, WOULD BE THE EARLIEST DAY WE EXPECT THEM TO BE DELIVERED.

AND UM, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT USING, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL THERMOMETERS AND THAT SORT OF THING AND CONTACT THE MONITORS.

BUT THE PREVAILING OPINION SEEMS TO BE WE NEED TO USE A MEDICAL THERMOMETER AND IT NEEDS TO BE A NON-CONTACT A MONITOR.

SO, UH, YES SIR.

YOU SAID HE WAS JUST THERE FOR RESOURCES.

SO WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT WE RECESS THIS MEETING, UH, UH, IN A FEW MINUTES WE WILL CONVENE OUR NINE O'CLOCK MEETING, WE'LL CONDUCT THAT BUSINESS THAT'S ON THAT AGENDA.

AND THEN, UM, WE'LL HAVE, DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT NINE O'CLOCK MEETING.

THEN WE'LL, UM, WE'LL SET A TIME TO RECONVENE TO DISCUSS THE THINGS ON THIS EIGHT 30 AGENDA.

SO.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS THIS MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR OUR, OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING THAT WAS SCHEDULED AT NINE O'CLOCK.

IN THIS ORDER? SO THE ADJUSTMENT, THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT I WAS PLANNING ON MAKING ARE BASICALLY MORE PROCEDURAL TO THE FRONT HALF OF THE HEADER.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE RECONVENED INTO THIS EMERGENCY MEETING.

UH, SO REBECCA, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK WHAT, WHAT ADJUSTMENTS ARE WE, ARE WE UH, CONTEMPLATING

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IT REFERS TO THE COUNTY JUDGES AUTHORITY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TAKING ACTION AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

I'M GOING TO AMEND THAT SO THAT IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE ENTIRE COURT AND THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE A TIME DURATION TO HAVE TO BE RENEWED.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE CHANGES ARE JUST, UM, WITHIN THE DOCUMENT FIXING HEADERS AND THE TEXT SO THAT IT IS UNIFORM.

WELL, SINCE WE'RE, SINCE ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DISPOSE OF THIS, THIS, A SHELTER IN PLACE? ALL OF THEM OR NO? NO, NOT AT ALL.

JUDGE.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE TWO ORDERS ON YOUR AGENDA.

THE FIRST ONE EXTENDS YOUR CURRENT RESOLUTION.

THE COUNTY JUDGES RESOLUTION FOR A DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER.

AND SO WHENEVER THE COURT, UM, APPROVES THAT, THEN THAT WILL TAKE AWAY THAT SEVEN DAY REQUIREMENT FOR APPROVAL.

AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU TAKE DOWN THE ITEMS TO THE ACTUAL ORDER FOR SHELTER IN PLACE, IF WE AMEND THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU GUYS SENT BEFORE THIS MEETING TO INCLUDE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE ENTIRE COURT, THEN JUST THE COUNTY JUDGE, THEN IT CAN STAY IN PLACE, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO BE RENEWED AT THAT SEVEN DAY POINT.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO RENEW IT.

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO SIGN THAT ORDER AND MAYBE GOING TO SIGN THAT ORDER AND THEN WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTENDED IN THE SAME WAY.

SO DIFFERENT COUNTIES HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENT WAYS.

DALLAS COUNTY A MESS.

YOU GUYS KNOW THAT COUNTY JUDGE AUTHORIZED THAT ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY AND THEN THE COURT WILL RECONVENE THERE AND THEN APPROVE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR THAT SAME ORDER.

THAT'S AN OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

UM, HOME COUNTY, WHAT THEY DID WAS AS AN ENTIRE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THEY APPROVED, UM, THE ORDER FOR SHELTER AT HOME SHELTER IN PLACE.

SO THAT'S A SECONDARY OPTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS WERE MEETING AT THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

I GUESS I FIGURED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO APPROVE IT FROM THE ENTIRE COURT VERSUS JUST THE COUNTY JUDGE, BUT EITHER WAY IS TOTALLY AN ACCEPTABLE AND LEGAL OPTION AS LONG AS IT'S, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

THE IMPACT OF IT AND THE EFFECT OF OF THE ORDER.

I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT CAME, IT MADE, IT WAS A DIFFERENT, IS THIS TOO, IT'S TWO SEPARATE ORDERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ONE IS THE, THE THE MEDICAL DISASTER DECLARATION ORDER.

WE HAVE EXTEND AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE REGION NEEDS TO BE OR SHOULD BE EXTENDED IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL DISASTER DECLARATION IS A REALLY CRITICAL THING AND RECOVERING EXPENSES AND STUFF AND UNDERSTOOD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP EXTENDING IT.

SO IF WE DO IT AS A CORD, RIGHT, COMBAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL DISASTER EITHER ACCORD EXTENDS IT FOR A CERTAIN DATE OR, OR A DIES.

AND SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE THING THEN THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER.

AND UH, SO WHAT IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING REBECCA.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ACTION BY THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THEN AN EXTENSION.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE PROCESS HAD TO BE.

NO, THE COURT CAN APPROVE IT.

SO THAT SAVES YOU GUYS A STEP LATER ON.

AND THAT'S THE ORIGINAL ORDER? NO.

SO NO SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER.

WHAT ABOUT THE ORIGINAL? IT JUST STANDS IN PLACE.

SO IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS TO HAVE THE DECLARATION OF DISASTER AND THEN YOUR SHELTER IN PLACE.

UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, ONLY SEVEN TO 14 DAYS.

WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE.

THE, UNTIL THE DATE THAT WE PUT IN IT.

SO WE PUT IT IN MARCH.

I'M SORRY, I'M JUST APOLOGIZE.

I, AND I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL DISASTER.

AND THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE COUNTY JUDGE AND MUST BE EXTENDED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.

YES.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

SO MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER SUPERSEDE THAT? IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE AND ADDS ADDITIONAL TERMS. SO, SO IT INCORPORATES THE ORIGINAL ORDER THAT, THAT ABSENT ABSENT THIS SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER, THE COURT WOULD, WOULD APPROVE THE ORIGINAL ORDER, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE IT.

BUT THIS NEW ORDER WILL, IS INCLUSIVE OF THE ORIGINAL ORDER, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE ALL FOLLOWING FALLING UNDER THE SAME GENERAL AUTHORITY.

THEY KIND OF CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT EACH OTHER.

YOU

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ARE CORRECT.

UM, HOWEVER, SOME JURISDICTIONS ARE ADOPTING THEM SEPARATELY AND SOME ARE AMENDING.

SO THERE'S NO REALLY ONE WAY TO DO IT.

YOU GUYS CAN ADOPT THEM SEPARATELY OR INCORPORATE THEM TOGETHER.

SO, UH, UNDERSTAND.

SO THE ORDER AS WRITTEN, THERE'S THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER DOES IT, IT MERGES THE TWO ORDERS, NOT AS WRITTEN, NOT AS WRITTEN.

SO I THINK THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER, WHETHER IT COMES, WHETHER IT'S A, AN ORDER, AN ACTION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OR NATIONAL, THE COUNTY JUDGE, THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER NEEDS TO BE A FREE STANDING SEPARATE DOCUMENT BECAUSE THE, IT NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE ORIGINAL DECLARATION OF DISASTER.

THE RE THE DISASTER, THE DISASTER DECLARATION MAY LIVE ON THE SHELTER IN PLACE.

ORDER MAY DIE OR MAY BE RESCINDED AND WE NEED, I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS NEED TO BE KEPT SEPARATE.

AND I WILL TRACK THEM THAT WAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHERE I WAS.

THAT'S HOW I SEE IT WAS GOING TO GO AWAY AND DO THEM AS COMMISSIONERS COURT ROOM.

IT DID.

BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, DO YOU GUYS WANT THE SHELTER IN PLACE TO BE FROM COUNTY JUDGE ONLY OR FROM COMMISSIONER'S COURT? IF IT DOESN'T MATTER THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER.

BUT I THOUGHT IT, I THOUGHT IT HAD NEEDED TO BE A TWO STEP PROCESS.

SO IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME FROM ME AND THEN EXTENDED BY THE COURT, THEN WE CAN DO THEM AT ONE TIME.

SO WE'RE NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND RECESS AND LET REBECCA DO HER MAGIC.

SO WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE BACK AT 11 BEFORE YOU RECESS.

SAID SHE IS GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN MAKING ADJUSTMENTS.

CAN JUST ASK HIM WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER? UM, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE SEE CAUSE CAUSE IT FROM THIS POINT ON, YOUR REVISIONS ARE JUST GOING TO BE, THERE'S NOTHING, YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING ANY SUCH SUBSTANTIVE REVISION? NO, NOT AT ALL.

JUST PROCEDURAL AT THE TOP.

SO THEN, BUT I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT Y'ALL HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO Y'ALL.

HAVE Y'ALL HAD TIME TO READ IT, SIR? JUDGE, CERTAINLY, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES DURING THE NEXT PORTION OF THIS MEETING, WE CAN STRIKE THROUGH AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT IT WITH THOSE STRIKETHROUGHS OR ADAPTATIONS AND THEN I'LL CHANGE IT IF Y'ALL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL FELT COMFORTABLE THAT YOU HAD READ IT.

YEAH, I'VE READ IT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IN SESSION THEN.

AND, UH, WHICH BRINGS US, UH, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE, I'M GOING TO ASK HANK MURPHY IF HE WANTS TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE US COMMENTS ON THIS AUTOMOBILE ENGINE THING.

I WOULD HAVE SOME QUESTIONS COME FORWARD.

TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

AND I GUESS IS IT APPROPRIATE, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ANSWER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WITH THESE QUESTIONS? BUT JUDGE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD APPLY AS THEY WOULD NORMALLY.

NORMALLY IT'S JUST LIMITED TO STATEMENTS, HOWEVER IT'S DISCRETIONARY.

SO IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL MAKE YOU THIS OFFER.

YOU CAN ASK US QUESTIONS NOW OR YOU CAN GIVE US COMMENTS.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE NORMALLY LIMIT THE COMMENT PERIOD OF THREE MINUTES, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A Q AND A WITH ANY OF US INDIVIDUALLY OR ME OR ANY OF US AFTER, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER NOW.

SURE.

UH, HI MURPHY FROM THE TARO TRIBUNE.

AND, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS IF YOU, Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND, AND ISSUE THIS STAY IN PLACE ORDER, HOW WILL THAT BE ENFORCED? UM, WELL, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? ARE YOU ASKING AS A REPORTER, IS THIS YOUR PURPOSE? I'M HERE FOR THE NEWSPAPER.

WHERE IT'S JUST THE FINE OR BOTH CONFINEMENT AND THE FINE.

UH, I'M HERE TO GET INFORMATION FOR OUR READERS.

UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO, THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING.

UH, REBECCA COULD TELL ME THAT THIS, I THINK THAT IF A PERSON VIOLATED THIS ORDER OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, YOU COULD BE, UH, HELD IN CONTEMPT OF THE COURT.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE.

THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO A SECONDARY LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT THAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTIES AND JURISDICTIONS.

IT FALLS UNDER FOUR 18 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE.

SO IT'S ENHANCED BECAUSE IT'S A DISASTER DECLARATION AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, YOU GUYS COULD PUT AN ENFORCEMENT PROVISION OF UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE AND, OR UP TO 180 DAYS CONFINEMENT IF YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR ORDER.

I'VE SEEN IT DONE

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AND THAT IS NOT IN THIS ORDER RIGHT NOW.

NOT CURRENTLY IN THERE.

BUT IT IS TRUE TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN ORDER OF THE COURT AND SOMEBODY, IF THEY WEREN'T COMPLYING, THEY COULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS TRUE.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES.

I SEE.

AND THESE, THESE QUESTIONS DON'T REALLY PERTAIN PRECISELY TO THE, UH, ORDER IN PLACE OR SHELTER IN PLACE.

BUT HAVE YOU ALL HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT TESTING CAPABILITIES IN KAUFMAN COUNTY OR PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED OR PEOPLE WHO THEY KNOW MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED? I THINK I WOULD REFER YOU TO DR BRASIER AND I THINK HE'D PROBABLY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS CAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO WOULD KNOW THAT MORE THAN WE WOULD.

AND THEN FINAL QUESTION, A JUDGE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CASES REPORTED YET IN KAUFMAN COUNTY AS OF THIS MORNING? WE HAVE NO CONFIRMED CASES IN THE COUNTY.

UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOTTEN IN ONE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

ONE OTHER THING.

HOSPITAL BEDS.

IF THIS DOES SPIKE, DOES KAUFMAN COUNTY HAVE ADEQUATE HOSPITAL BEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAY NEED TO BE HOSPITALIZED? HOSPITALIZED.

WE ASKED DR BRASIER THAT QUESTION THIS MORNING AND UH, I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'VE GOT 120,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY AND THE ONLY, UH, FULL-SCALE HOSPITAL WE HAVE IS PRESBYTERIAN.

I ASKED HIM HOW MANY BEDS THERE WERE IN THE HOSPITAL AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD.

BUT THE POINT THAT HE MADE IS IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY HOW MUCH SPACE YOU HAVE, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH BED SPACE YOU HAVE.

IT'S MORE ABOUT PERSONNEL AND YOUR ABILITY TO STAFF IT.

SO, UM, HE SAID YOU CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE AND SEE HOW MANY BEDS THEY HAVE BECAUSE THAT'S SOME SORT OF REGULATORY REQUIREMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION ABOUT THEIR STAFFING, WHICH IS A MOVING TARGET RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO, UM, CAN I SUGGEST THAT WE, WE USE THIS SHELTER AND PLACE ORDER AS OUR STARTING POINT? YES.

AND, UH, AND I, I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH IT PAGE BY PAGE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE PAGING AT THE BOTTOM THAT OBVIOUSLY THE PAGING CAME OFF OF ANOTHER DOCUMENT.

SO IT'S, THIS IS PAGE ONE.

SO, UH, SO, UH, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE, DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE STUFF ON THE FIRST PAGE OR DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON DOWN TO THE, THE ACTION PART? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? START WITH THE, WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER PRECINCT ONE.

YOU GOT ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THIS DOC? UM, ON A ONE AND TWO NOW.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME STUFF WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, ITEMS ONE AND TWO.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE FRONT PAGE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON ONE OR TWO? NOPE.

NO, I DO NOT.

THEN THE, I GUESS, THEN OF COURSE SHE GETS TO THE DEFINITIONS AND THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDER.

UH, I, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES.

UM, ONE OF THE ERRORS THAT I'VE SEEN IN SOME OTHER COUNTIES IS THEY TRIED TO GO INTO A LISTING OF ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES AND UH, THEY MISSED SOME THINGS.

SO, UH, ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE BILL SENT ME THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH I, UH, WHICH I REFERENCED.

IT'S REFERENCED HERE THAT THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE LIST AND DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES CAN BE.

AND SO WE JUST TOOK THAT BASICALLY ALMOST VERBATIM FROM WHAT THIS HOMELAND SECURITY DOCUMENT SAID.

WELL I THINK IT WORKS FOLLOWING PAGES IS THIS? YES, ALL OF THIS COMES OUT OF THIS A HOMELAND SECURITY DOCUMENT ABOUT THE TITLE.

THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENT IS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEN IT BREAKS DOWN AND IT GOES DOWN INTO REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS, IT DESCRIBES ESSENTIAL, UH, ESSENTIAL, UH, BUSINESSES AND ESSENTIAL JOBS.

I MEAN BASICALLY WHEN I READ THROUGH IT, IT, IT, IT, IT SAYS IT'S OKAY ALMOST FOR EVERY NECESSARY ITEM THAT WE NEED TO LIVE IN THE TRIBE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW VERY FEW THINGS THAT YOU

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LEAVE OUT.

NO, AND I THINK IT, IT CHANGES OVER TIME.

I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT HAVING HEARD A CONVERSATION, A Q AND A WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE IN DALLAS COUNTY AND W ONE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT LAWNS OR LAWN SERVICES.

AND UH, THE LAWN SERVICE MAY NOT BE ESSENTIAL TODAY, BUT AFTER A PERIOD OF TWO OR THREE WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE GETTING ADDICTED.

WELL, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S GOING TO BECOME ESSENTIAL.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOT AN EASY THING.

HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT, UH, CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WENT OVER IN MY AREA HAS GARAGE DOOR BUSINESS THAT UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR WHOLE LIVELIHOOD AND BACK IN THE MAG, I MEAN IT SAYS ANY ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF ANY BUSINESS OR HOUSEHOLD THAT NEEDS THEIR WORK, ANY KIND OF WORK TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUSINESS.

SO THAT KIND OF MEANS A PLUMBER OR A HOT WATER HEATER.

IT MEANS IF THE GRUBS WERE CAN'T OPEN WHERE THEY CAN'T FUNCTION.

THEN THAT'S LEGAL FOR THEM TO HAVE.

SO I MEAN THIS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NAME YOU DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE NOT A BIBLE BUSINESS THAT CAN OPERATE FOR ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY ALL COME UP WITH, WITH BUSINESSES AND SERVICES THAT WOULD BE HARD TO DEFINE AS ESSENTIAL.

I MEAN I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT NOW, BUT I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT ON YOUR OWN.

I THINK SO.

I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S ALL IN, IN THAT, UH, THE TWO, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST SENTENCE, ANY ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES RELATED DETERMINATION SHALL BE MADE BY THE KAUFMAN COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

BUT WHAT, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PLAYING OUT THE WAY I, AND THIS IS WHAT COMMISSIONER GATES WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO DISCUSS.

UM, I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO COME UP THAT USE THE LAWN SERVICE AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, IF THIS THING GOES INTO MAY, UM, AND, AND PEOPLE IN THE LAWN SERVICE BUSINESS START SOMEWHERE IN THE LAUNCH OVER THE BUSINESS COMES AND SAYS, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, 200 RESONANCES THAT I TAKE CARE OF.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE ANY ABILITY TO, MO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT TO MOW THEIR OWN YARDS AND, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE GRASS IS NOW, YOU KNOW, A FOOT TALL, WHICH CREATES OBVIOUS HEALTH ISSUES.

SO THE WAY ONE OF THESE THINGS COULD BE HANDLED IS THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE, UH, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH REALLY THAT OFFICE REALLY CON THE, THAT DEFINITION REALLY IS, UH, STEVE AND UH, ME, UH, THERE BE TIMES I THINK WE WOULD CONSULT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

OBVIOUSLY DR BRASIER IF IT WAS RELEVANT, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO WE COULD BE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COULD BE ENTRUSTED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS OR WE COULD CONVENE AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND ADDRESS THOSE DECISIONS.

AND I, UH, I, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME HOW WE DO IT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN IT MAY BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE AND EASY QUICK DECISION.

IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF DELIBERATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE THOSE.

I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO DECIDE.

I KNOW 40 DID SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A WAIVER OR SOMETHING.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME.

THEY HAVE A PROCESS.

WELL ACTUALLY, AND I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THERE.

THAT LADY WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT I DID NOT SEE IN THEIR ORDER.

I THINK THEY TOOK THAT OUT.

BUT WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO WAS TO HAVE A WAIVER PRO.

MAYBE THEY DID, BUT WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO IS PUT IN THEIR ORDER, A WAIVER PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY THAT WAIVER WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE EMERGENCY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE CASE THAT THIS PERSON MADE THE EXAMPLE THAT, UM, THE EXAMPLE THAT I HAD WITH THE CITY MANAGER FORNEY, I SAID, WELL, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER WAVING.

AND HE SAID, SO IF YOU HAVE A LARGE MANUFACTURING FACILITY WITH 30,000 SQUARE FEET AND 10 WORKERS AND THEY, THEY COULD, THEY COULD SHOW YOU THEIR PLAN TO KEEP PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, 50 FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER ALL THROUGH THE DAY WHERE THEY WOULDN'T EVEN COME INTO CONTACT EACH OTHER WITH EACH OTHER THAT HE, AND HE SAID THAT MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD GRANT THEM A WAIVER AND MAYBE THE SAME THING FOR US.

UH, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.

SO, SO MY CONCERN, JUDGE, WHEN I READ THIS SINCE I WASN'T CLEAR HER THE DEFINITION OF OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST, UH, A MECHANISM WHERE EXCEPTIONS CAN BE MADE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

BUT I REALLY FELT LIKE THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL NEEDED TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

WE CHANGED THAT LANGUAGE JUST FOR TOTAL CLARITY.

WE CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE.

THAT DETERMINATIONS WOULD BE MADE,

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I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO, AT LEAST ON A PRECINCT BY PRECINCT BASIS, I'D LIKE TO BE MADE AWARE AND AT LEAST BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WITH, UM, EITHER AN ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST A PARTICULAR, UH, APPLICATION.

HOW ABOUT IF WE SAID THAT IF IT'S PRECINCT SPECIFIC, I'M SORRY, REBECCA, WE'RE JUST ADDING ALL THIS LANGUAGE IN HERE FOR YOU TO WORK OUT.

BUT IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO A PRECINCT THAT THAT DECISION WOULD BE MADE WITH THE, WITH THE COMMISSIONER, THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, THAT'LL WORK.

IF IT WAS PRECINCT SPECIFIC, SOME OF THESE THINGS, LAWN SERVICE GOING TO MAYBE GO OVER ALL THE COUNTY WHILE WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO ADAPT IN THE LONG SERVICE.

FULL RAVEN START.

WICKED STOP.

THAT ONE I DON'T SEE, I DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL CAUSE I THINK, BUT I MEAN THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ONE.

IT IS A BIG ONE.

IT'S GOES, I NOTICED THAT THE JUDGE IN DALLAS IMMEDIATELY REFORMED HIS INSTANTLY TO SAY, OH I'M HAPPY IT WAS A ST JOHN.

I'M HAPPY TO HELP IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT OR REBECCA CANDIDATE.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY ALSO PRUDENT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE IN THIS COUNTY TOO, I BELIEVE TWO COMMERCIAL GOLF COURSES THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST, EVEN IF THEY DON'T OPERATE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THEIR OPERATIONS, BUT THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.

RIGHT OR NOT.

THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T GUESS THEY'RE ESSENTIAL, BUT THEY'RE DEFINITELY OUTSIDE AND PROBABLY HAVE DISTANCE.

BUT, WELL, LET ME BE A NICE LAYER AND DON'T THROW ANYTHING AT ME WHEN I ASK THIS CAUSE I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE SHELTER IN PLACE AND WE'VE ASKED EVERYBODY TO BASICALLY SHELTER IN PLACE NOW MAINTAIN SIX FOOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SOCIAL DISTANCING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH THE SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER ACTUALLY SUPPORTS.

SO I THINK IT'S HAVING AN EFFECT ALREADY.

SO, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO FIND A, I GUESS THERE'S REALLY VERY FEW FUNCTIONS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN EDUCATE THE PLANT MANAGERS AND STUFF? EVEN IF THEY REDUCED THEIR WORKFORCE, WENT TO TWO SHIFTS INSTEAD OF ONE SHIFT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER WHERE THEY CAN STILL HAVE SOME INCOME COMING IN AND THE EMPLOYEE IS STILL GENERATING THEIR OWN INCOME AND WORKING AND WE CAN KIND OF MEET HALFWAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ONE SHIP WE JUST OPEN FROM THE MORNING SHIFT AND IF THEY PUT IN TWO SHIFTS WHERE THEY CAN DO THEIR PRODUCTION AND LIMIT THEIR AMOUNT OF SPACE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND SPREAD THEM OUT, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, OR EDUCATE THEM ON SANITARY PRECAUTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

OF COURSE THERE'S NO GOVERNANCE AND IT'S ALL ON THE HONOR SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE WAY WE'RE OPERATING NOW.

EVEN WITH THE SHELTER IN PLACE, WE'RE REALLY OPERATING ON THE HONOR SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO SHELTER IN PLACE.

I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT IN HERE THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY.

AND BELIEVE ME, I, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE DOING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK KAUFMAN COUNTY IS AWARE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TWO WEEKS.

I THINK YOU CAN, IT CAN.

IT'S, UH, THE DYNAMICS IS, CAN BE FAST PACED AND WE CAN GO FROM SITTING HERE WITH NOTHING TO BEING OVERRUN RELATIVELY QUICK.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT, AND I BELIEVE IN IT.

BUT IS IT REALLY THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS NOW AND THE SHELTER IN PLACE? I THINK IT'S A MESSAGING.

I THINK IT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT WHAT THIS ORDER DOES, THAT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND HOW, WHAT A CHALLENGE IT WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.

ALTHOUGH, UNLESS YOU HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS BEING YEAH, JUST BLATANT ABOUT IT.

UM, BUT I THINK THIS DOES SEND A REALLY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO PEOPLE.

MMM.

AND I THINK THE PREVAILING, WE'LL HAVE OUR RESIDENTS, IT FEELS LIKE WE NEED TO SEND THAT MESSAGE.

WELL I KNOW ONE THING, I THINK, I THINK JUST THE NEWS MEDIA AND THE COUNTY JUDGE IN DALLAS TALKING ABOUT IT ALL WEEKEND, IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE.

CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY DIDN'T COME FROM FORNEY, BUT I KNOW OUR, UH, OUR CLERK, OUR COUNTY CLERK, LAURA AND ME BOTH CAME FROM COUNTY, FROM FORNEY AND THAT WAS THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC I'VE SEEN IN I, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS OUT.

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I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALLY STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY REALLY DO NOT NEED TO DO THAT AND HAVE ALL THESE GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

AND SO I THINK, I THINK, UH, PEOPLE ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTELLIGENT THAT EVERYBODY GIVES THEM CREDIT FOR.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THEY KEEP UP THIS, I HOPE THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE MAIN WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BLOCK THIS AND DROP THIS LINE AND FLATTEN IT OUT IS BY SEPARATING AND NOT TRANSMITTING THIS BIAS TO ONE ANOTHER.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST AGREEING WITH HIM.

WE'RE AGREEING WITH DALLAS, WE'RE AGREEING WITH HUNT, WE'RE AGREEING WITH ROCKWALL THAT WE WANT TO DO THE SAME THING.

WE WANT EVERYBODY TO LET'S BREAK THIS STRAND IN THIS DISEASE AS FAST AS WE CAN.

SO I'LL, UH, I'LL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HUNT THAT, UH, MMM, YOU KNOW, W WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I THINK THIS ACCEPTION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SERVE THAT PURPOSE.

AND I KNOW IT PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDER, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO AT LEAST PUBLISH SOME SORT OF A PROCEDURE TO ALLOW THAT EXCEPTION PURPOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN EMAIL APPLICATION TO THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF IMPLEMENTING POLICY, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THE ACTUAL ORDER ITSELF.

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS WHAT, UH, WHAT MIKE IS TALKING ABOUT, UH, RELATIVE TO TRYING TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH OUR, OUR INDUSTRY.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, TO PARAPHRASE WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID YESTERDAY, UM, AND REALLY TO AGREE WITH YOU SKIED THAT WE CAN REBUILD THE ECONOMY, BUT WE CAN'T REBUILD A LIFE THAT MIGHT BE LOST BY A FAILURE TO ACT.

SO, UH, AND LASTLY, I THINK THAT ALL ALSO ROLLS INTO THIS.

UM, AND I KNOW REBECCA MENTIONED IT EARLIER, AN ORDER IS ONLY AS GOOD AS A EITHER VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE OR THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH, UH, SOMEONE WHO AGREED JUSTLY VIOLATES IT.

SO I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE, UH, THAT THE SAME PROVISIONS UNDER WHATEVER CODE THAT IS, REBECCA, THE THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE AND THE 680 DAYS AT LEAST BE INCLUDED, OBVIOUSLY.

AND I, I THINK THE, I'M SURE THE SHERIFF WOULD AGREE THAT'D BE THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT AND WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF INCREDIBLY EGREGIOUS DISREGARD FOR COMMON SENSE.

BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DRAFT THIS ORDER, YOU OUGHT TO MAKE IT COMPREHENSIVE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN PUTTING THAT IN THERE AND IS ALWAYS LIKE EVERYTHING.

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, BODY HAS THE DISCRETION, THEY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO, TO TAKE ALL THE FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING.

SO, UH, SHERIFF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON IT? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO US PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR WAY BACK IN THE ACCIDENT? BUT I'LL, I'LL BRING IT FOR THE JUDGE AND MARTIN.

MAN, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST GO OUT HERE AND TRY TO ENFORCE THIS.

NO WAY.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE WITH PEOPLE.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO.

GOOD.

AND I THINK IT ADDS WEIGHT TO THE MESSAGE TO PEOPLE.

WELL I THINK IT WOULD ALSO ADD WEIGHT TO A BUSINESS THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.

ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY OPENS UP THE SKATING RINK.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THERE AND CHECK NEEDS TO VISIT THEM.

AND IF WE HAVE THIS ENFORCEMENT, THEN YEAH, I MEAN WE DON'T PUT IT IN THERE.

THE SHERIFF REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT TO REALLY, AND I, AND I AGREE THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF OUTLINE FOR THIS WAIVER OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT TO GET AN EXCEPTION.

I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT.

RIGHT? LIKE IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL WITH THAT BUTTON.

THE DETAILS.

I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONER OF THAT PRECINCT IF IT'S SOME BUSINESS IN THIS PRESENT.

YES.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMEBODY AGAIN.

UM, YEAH.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO I THINK AT WORK, THIS IS ALL UNCHARTED TERRITORY.

I MEAN THIS IS, I MEAN REALLY IT'S, IT'S, AND EXACTLY FOR US AND IT'S ALL IT CAN DO IS RELATE IT TO IS MY PRIOR LIFE.

I MEAN, YOU PULL UP THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND YOU GOT A LOT OF HEAVY SMOKE AND FIRE AND YOU HAVE TO RELY ON WHAT EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD DATING WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO RELY ON ALL THE TRAINING YOU HAD AND ALL THE STUFF THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TAUGHT YOU.

SO WHAT'S HAPPENED EVERYWHERE

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ELSE ACROSS THE WORLD IS TELLING US WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE HERE.

AND WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF IT.

AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE LOT OF SHELTER IN PLACE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY HERE.

SO I MAY NOT, AND SO I DON'T WANT MY STATEMENT TO COME OUT LIKE I DON'T SURE I UNDERSTAND.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S, WE'RE, IT'S A BURDEN FOR PEOPLE AND WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULD BE HEARING ALL THE POINTS.

HOW ARE YOU DOING OVER THERE, MS REBECCA? WELL, LUCKILY I'VE GOT SOME COLLEAGUES THAT ARE TYPING AS YOU GUYS TALK.

SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

I ALSO ADDED IN, UM, SWIMMING POOL MAINTENANCE.

I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING DALLAS COUNTY HAD DONE BASED ON MOSQUITO HEALTH.

YEP.

BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY.

SO IS THIS, THIS ORDER WILL BE, WILL CONTINUE UNTIL RESCINDED? IS THAT THE WAY? IS THAT THE I WOULD, I WOULD SHOULD SUGGEST PLACING A, A DEADLINE DATE ORDER.

WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND UH, WE HAD HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, SETTING A DATE CERTAIN WHICH WOULD ARE, WOULD BE A REGULAR SCHEDULE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER MEETING ON APRIL THE 28TH.

I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.

I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS.

UH, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHEN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING DATE IS ANYMORE.

SO, UH, NO REAL HAVE ONE.

I THINK 30 30 DAYS IS PLENTY OF TIME.

AND I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING AT A CALENDAR OR ANYTHING TO COME UP WITH? DO WE WANT TO MAKE, DID WE WANT TO PUT SOME SORT OF AT LEAST A RECONSIDERATION DATE IN THERE SO THAT WE, SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING IT A CERTAIN DAY WHERE YOU THINK WE GOT TO GO BACK TO AT MINIMUM MEETING ONCE A WEEK JUST TO COVER ALL THIS? I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A RELEVANT CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY ME MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK ANYWAY.

I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EMERGENCY MEETINGS PROBABLY WE JUST NEED TO ASSESS IT AND PLAY IT BY EAR.

IF IT'S BOX IT'S BOX AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET MORE SEVERE.

WHAT WELL WE DOING I THINK, I DO THINK IF YOU FELT, REMEMBER WE, WHEN WE WENT TO EVERY OTHER WEEK WE ALL, EVERYBODY I THINK ALL TACITLY AGREED TO HOLD THEIR TUESDAYS AVAILABLE FOR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING.

SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THE BEST, KEEP THOSE DATES.

BUT I THINK AND, AND WE'RE, WE WILL BEFORE THE END OF THIS WEEK HAVE WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY THAT WE NEED AT WHATEVER PLACE IS GOING TO BE, WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE MEETING IN PERSON SO YOU CAN QUIT WORRYING ABOUT ME SKIING.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT MAKING THIS 30 DAYS.

IS THAT OR WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND REBECCA? I WOULD RECOMMEND 10 TO 14 DAYS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S, BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ, I DON'T THINK THAT THE VIRUS SPREAD CURVE IS GOING TO BE MUCH, MUCH REVEALED IN 10 TO 14 DAYS.

MY SUGGESTION IS ONLY BASED ON SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT THEY'VE PUT IN PLACE.

THEY HAVE, MOST OF THE TRIALS ARE WELCOME TO ADAPT.

DID THE CITY OF FORNEY HAVE A DATE ON THERE? APRIL? HOW MANY DAYS IS THAT? 10 DAYS.

I TELL YOU, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR US.

I SENT THIS DOCUMENT TO ALL THE CITIES YESTERDAY.

UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE CAN ALL, IF WE CAN ALL SYNC UP WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THAT ORDER IN THE CITY MATCHES A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND SO I, I'D SAY WE OUGHT TO ADOPT THAT SAME DATE.

I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THE COUNTY'S ORDER WOULD TRUMP THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.

RIGHT? THESE ARE, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE INTENT.

YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN OR THEIR IDEAS OF DOING THINGS, UM, DOES ANYBODY THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAYBE, UH, SO TO SET INPUT FROM OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, SINCE THEY REPRESENT A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES AND WHY? I GUESS, UH, MAYBE WE COULD INCLUDE THEM IN SOME OF THIS AND SAY, OKAY, LOOK THIS WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED.

PERFECT.

SO LET'S THINK UP WITH WHAT THAT ONE CITY DID AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DONE, BUT WE'LL STICK WITH IT.

WE'LL TRY TO DO THE SAME THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ROCK WALL KENNY ROCKWALL COUNTY DID.

THERE'S TOO.

AND I DON'T, DID YOU NOTICE WHAT THEIR DATE WAS? I HAVEN'T PULLED ROCKWELL.

I KNOW TARA.

SO POLLEN, BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW WHEN IT'S DOWN THE DALLAS'S ORDER, I DON'T KNOW.

WAITING TO RENEW IT BEFORE THAT OR WE MIGHT KNOW IN SEVEN DAYS FROM NOW.

APRIL.

I WON'T MAKE IT.

YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT OH YEAH, I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT, BUT I THINK WHEN ALL THE TESTING STARTS COMING BACK TO WHEN IT'S GOING TO GET IT, GET THE NUMBERS UP.

I GOT IT.

ONE THING, I KNOW YOUR TIME'S A FACTOR HERE OF COURSE, BUT A LADY THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING, MEGA SUGGESTIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES TO UH,

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UH, IF WE PUT THIS OUT AS KIND OF A GUIDELINE AND IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, THEN YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING UNDER THIS CURRENT ORDER.

UH, JUST GIVE THEM SOME GUIDELINES.

NOT NECESSARILY GIVE THEM SOME RULES TO GO BY, BUT I MEAN, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A FAIR THING TO, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE A, THAT CAN BE PART OF THIS APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WE DO WHERE WE OFFER THEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN A PLAN, IF YOU'RE RUNNING AN ANT FARM OR SOMETHING, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CONSIDER YOUR REQUIREMENTS.

BUT, UM, WELL ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME WAS I WAS, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY LIKE HAIR SALONS FOR EXAMPLE.

I KNOW THOSE, THOSE, I MEAN THOSE FOLKS ARE, YOU KNOW, ON A PRETTY TIGHT BUDGET AS IT IS.

AND IF THEY RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN, AT LEAST THEY CAN SUPPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES CAN STILL WORK.

MAYBE IF THEY CUT IT DOWN TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING AT A TIME OR WHATEVER.

UM, NO.

CAUSE THEN I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT SOME, BUT WHEN YOU COME UP WITH SOME GROUND RULES FOR WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, OKAY, WELL IF IT DOES BACK MOVE, WE HAVE THE LATITUDE TO SHUT THE DOOR, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT WILL BE, I THINK WE PUT A DATE CERTAIN ON EVERYTHING.

IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY GETS AN EXCEPTION, IT HAD THE SAME EXPIRATION DATE AS WHATEVER OUR CURRENT ORDER IS.

AND LIKE I SAID, THINGS GET REALLY, REALLY BAD IF OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 10 CASES POP UP IN COFFIN COUNTY, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN RESEND ALL OF THAT AND CHANGE IT.

SO.

REBECCA MARCHING ORDERS.

SO I'M GOOD.

LET ME GO BACK AND RE TYPE IT.

DO WANT ME TO DISSEMINATE TO YOUR OFFICE OR EVERYONE? MMM.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN IT CAN WE, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE DETAILS WORKED OUT OR CAN WE UH HUH.

CAN WE TAKE AN ACTION TO, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE ACTION NOW WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE SUBJECT TO THE REVISIONS? NO, MY PREFERENCE IS FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT.

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE? WHEN SHOULD WE RECONVENE? I'M LOOKING AT MY PHONE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TEXTING DEBBIE THE CHANGE ORDERS, UM, AT LEAST 45 MINUTES.

WELL IT'S QUARTER TIL 11.

WE'LL MAKE A QUARTER TIL 12.

SOUNDS GREAT MAN.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WHENEVER THIS COMMISSIONER'S JOB WAS JUST WORKING ON ROADS, YEAH, THAT'S ALL WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS AND WE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, 11:45 AM READY.

ORDER HAS TO BE EXTENDED, UM, WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.

UH, SO WE ARE BACK FROM OUR RESEARCH RECESS AND TO OUR MEETING.

THAT EMERGENCY MEETING IS ALREADY AT EIGHT 30.

AND SO WE'RE BACK.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTER WE LEFT.

UM, STEVE AND, UM, REBECCA, STEVE, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER AND REBECCA ARE CIVIL ATTORNEY, THE GOT TOGETHER AND DID SOME RESEARCH AND THINK REBECCA IS GOING TO BRIEF US UP ON WHAT YOU FOUND OUT.

I DO HAVE MORE OF AN UPDATE ON THAT.

SO IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, STEVE AND I WERE GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY PUT THESE ORDERS INTO PLACE AND WHAT IS THAT? MOST OF THEM ARE DOING THAT THROUGH THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNTY JUDGE.

SO I WANTED TO WALK BACK THROUGH SOME OF MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS ABOUT FOUR 18 AND GIVE YOU GUYS ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, UM, AND THEN MAYBE SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR MOVING FORWARD.

SO UNDER FOUR 18 IT'S AN INTERESTING STATUTE THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF, UM, EXECUTIVE POWER VERSUS LEGISLATIVE.

SO YOU GUYS AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ARE MORE LIKE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THE COUNTY.

AND SO WHENEVER THAT STATUTE GETS ENACTED AND EMPOWERS THE COUNTY JUDGE IN ORDER TO DO MORE UNILATERAL ORDERS, AND SO YOU'LL SEE SOME COUNTIES ACTING THROUGH THEIR COUNTY JUDGE AND THEN SOME DOING IT THROUGH COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STEVE AND I IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THIS SITUATION BECAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW IT CHANGES EVERY DAY.

UM, EVEN EVERY HOUR.

THE COUNTY USING THE COUNTY JUDGES AUTHORITY AS A SIGNATORY WOULD PROBABLY BEST FACILITATE THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THE WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS CURRENTLY THE COUNTY JUDGE HAS MADE A DECLARATION OF DISASTER AND THAT

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AND SO THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY.

TO DO THAT, IT WILL EXTEND IT FOR 30 DAYS AND THEN UNDER THAT POINT, THE COUNTY JUDGE COULD ACT UNDER FOUR 18, UM, TO ISSUE ORDERS LIKE SHELTER IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, LATERALLY VERSUS COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEING MANDATORY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

THAT CASE LAW IS VERY GRAY AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN AS A COUNTY JUDGE DO THAT WITHOUT, UM, RETURNING, UH, LESS.

THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT INDICATES THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE UP A SPECIFIC ISSUE AND REMAND IT OR RESEND IT.

UM, AND, AND SO LONG AS THAT EMERGENCY DECLARATION, THAT BLANKET ORDER IS IN EFFECT.

SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND OR HAVE I CLOUDED IT MORE? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN DISCUSS SOMETHING BEFORE THE ORDER IS PUT OUT THERE? SO AT LEAST WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CALLING US AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? AND IF HE'S BUILDING AN ORDER, WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IS IT LEGAL FOR US TO EVEN DISCUSS THAT OUTSIDE OF THE COURT? NO, NOT IN A NON, IN A CORUM SETTING.

YOU'D HAVE TO CALL A MEETING IN ORDER TO DISCUSS IT.

UM, BUT THE REASON WHY THAT STATUTE IS SO POWERFUL FOR THESE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OR COUNTY JUDGE OR A MAYOR, UM, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE SITUATION CAN CHANGE SO QUICKLY THAT ACTION HAS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.

UM, IF THE ACTION IS TAKEN, IF AN ACTION IS TAKEN THAT THE COURT, UM, DOES NOT PARTICULARLY CARE FOR OR MAYBE WANTS TO ADJUST, THEY CAN CALL THAT ITEM BACK AND DO THAT.

SO THEY CAN, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING COULD BE CALLED THAT.

THEY, THEY COULD, IT'S A CHECK JUST WITHIN THAT HOUR OR WHATEVER OF THE EMERGENCY MEETING NOTICE.

IT'S A CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM.

AND JUDGE, DO YOU WANT ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE TWO DRAFTS THAT I HANDED OUT? UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S NOT SURE CAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT REALLY IS IT THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

UM, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ONE'S EXPANDED AND ONE'S CONDENSED.

SO, UM, YEAH, WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO AND THEN SEE WHICH, WHICH OF THESE OPTIONS IS THE COMMISSIONER BEFORE? JUST BACK THERE, THE PREVIOUS ISSUE.

JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT'S THE PROCESS, IF THE COURT DECIDES TO RESEND THE JUDGE'S ORDER, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? HOW DOES A, HOW'S A MEETING? WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE TO CALL A MEETING? SO THE SEEDER PROCEDURE WOULD APPLY THAT ANY COMMISSIONER'S COURT, COMMISSIONERS MEMBER COULD REQUEST AN AGENDA ITEM BE PLACED ON THE COURT'S, UM, AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO YOU WOULD JUST DO THAT, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE JUDGE'S OFFICE, THROUGH HIS ADMINISTRATOR? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE JUDGE WOULD BE CONTRARY TO ADMINISTERING THAT PROCESS, BUT THAT'S JUST A PLACE THAT ON THE REGULAR COURT AGENDA, RIGHT.

IS THERE A WAY FOR THE COURT TO CALL AN EMERGENCY? I THINK THAT THE SAME STANDARDS WOULD APPLY FOR A NORMAL EMERGENCY MEETING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD CALL THAT, UM, UPON REQUESTS IF, IF THE JUDGE RECEIVED THAT REQUEST THAT HE WOULD CALL THAT MEETING INTO ORDER.

SO YOU, UH, YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THESE SHOE DOCUMENTS IS? I CAN.

SO ONE IS DRASTICALLY LONGER THAN THE OTHER.

UM, WHAT I DID, AND YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE THIS, SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE TWO OPTIONS AND LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT ORDERS AND DOING A COMPARISON STUDY.

MOST OF THEM ARE WITHIN 10 PAGES.

AND SO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE WIDELY CIRCULATED AND LOOK TO FOR, UM, YOU KIND OF HAVE THE OPTION TO GO EXTREMELY DETAILED OR UH, MORE OVERARCHING AND THE CONDENSED VERSION JUST INTEGRATES THE CIS CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE 16 CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE SECTORS BY REFERENCE.

AND THEN IT INCLUDES A LINK TO THAT PDF DOCUMENT AND IT SAYS THAT, UM, THERE, THAT DOCUMENT IS INTENDED TO BE GUIDANCE REGARDING PERMISSIBLE AND NECESSARY OPERATIONS, UH, VERSUS OUTLYING AND INCLUDING ALL OF THEM.

SO IT CUTS LIKE 11 PAGES OFF OF IT.

SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO JUST, YOU WANT US TO JUST REFERENCE THAT C I S A THAT HOMELAND SECURITY DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THERE'S A LINK ON PAGE FIVE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AND OUTLINE EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT THAT DOCUMENT HAS IN IT AS FAR AS UH, UH, ESSENTIAL SERVICES GOES, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO TO THAT WEBSITE AND LOOK, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL YOU

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STEVE.

I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN IN MY CUT DOWN.

SO YOU THINK THE LENGTH OF YOUR DOCUMENT IS BETTER? DID YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT THE DATE? I THINK WE HAVE IT OUT THERE THEN.

CAUSE I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO, I MEAN UNLESS YOU WANT TO TALK ON THE PHONE A LOT MORE.

I MEAN THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUT YOU DON'T, MIGHT WE'D ASK SOME OF THE PHONE CALLS IF THEY ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO TRANSFER MY CALLS TO STEVE OFFICE.

WHAT ARE Y'ALL OTHER GUYS? WHAT ARE Y'ALL, Y'ALL PREFER THE LENGTHIER, MORE DETAIL.

MORE INFORMATION WE PUT OUT THERE, THE BETTER.

I AGREE.

THAT WAS COUNTY I'VE NOTICED OVER THE LAST WEEK.

YOU KNOW, THEY PUT UP THE SHORT VERSION OF THE ART AND HE'S CONSTANTLY JUST COME BACK AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'VE BEEN NUMBERED BY HUNDREDS OF CALLS OVER THE SHORT, WELL THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL AT ALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I THOUGHT REBECCA THEN EVERYBODY LIKED ME.

SHE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS IN THIS ONE.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.

THE SAME WAY.

HERE'S A COPY.

I'LL, I'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU.

UM, UM, MORE FOR SHORTER, BUT THIS, THIS AND THIS CASE MIGHT BE BETTER.

THEY HAVE THE LENGTHY COPY.

SO IF Y'ALL GO AHEAD, WHERE'S THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE EXCEPTION? ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE WAY THEY, UH, WAIVER WAIVER SO THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS ON PAGE FOUR.

AND IF YOU'LL LOOK AT UNDERNEATH NUMBER FOUR ESSENTIAL BUSINESS.

ALRIGHT, YEAH.

PAGE FOUR OF 18.

OH, I SEE IT NOW.

AND WE WILL JUST HIT THE, THAT IN PRECINCT SPECIFIC ISSUES, THE COUNTY JUDGE WILL CONSULT WITH THE COMMISSIONER.

THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMITMENT IF IT WAS PRE PRECINCT SPECIFIC.

I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T STEVE AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF.

UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN PLACE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE WHEN IT REGARDS THAT PRECINCT, THEY'RE JUST CC'D AND EMAILED.

UM, SO IF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COULD FACILITATE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP YOUR ISSUE.

COMMISSIONER.

YEAH, NO, NO, I FEEL, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THE JUDGE'S COMMITMENT.

ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA WAS DISCUSSED.

UH, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S KIND OF, IF Y'ALL ARE READY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR BACK.

KIND OF GET BACK ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE AGENDA.

THE, UH,

[2. Discuss/Consider extending Kaufman County's Declaration of Local Disaster for Public Health Emergency issued by Judge Richardson March 18, 2020.]

CONSIDER EXTENDING KAUFMAN COUNTY'S DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER FOR PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY ISSUE BY, UH, THAT I SIGNED BY JUDGE RICHARDS ON MARCH THE 18TH.

UM, REBECCA OR STEVE, YOU MIGHT BE EITHER WAY, YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THIS DOES AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WOULD BE YOUR CHANCE TO HAMMER EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION ON DOCUMENTATION AND RE AND FUNDING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WELL, AT A, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE ORIGINAL ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED WILL EXPIRE.

SO KEEP THIS IN PLACE.

WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT EXTENSION TODAY.

UH, HAVING A DECLARATION IN PLACE WILL ALLOW US TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR ANYTHING.

RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED AN A PROTECTIVE MEASURE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO GET REIMBURSED FOR.

SO IF WE GET GLOVES, MASKS, GOWNS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, CLEANING SIZE, CLEANING SUPPLIES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY USE, WE GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT.

UM, THEY'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT, UH, LAPTOPS FOR DOING THE TELEWORK.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO REIMBURSE US FOR THOSE THAT HADN'T BEEN DECIDED YET.

BUT, UH, EVERYTHING I'M SEEING FROM FEMA AND THEY'RE STARTING TO PUSH OUT THE FORMS. WE'LL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR COSTS, DOCUMENT THEM, AND WE'LL HAVE THE FORMS VERY SHORTLY TO START MAKING SUBMISSIONS TO GET THAT, GET THAT MONEY BACK.

BUT

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WE DON'T HAVE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A DECORATION SUSTAINED THEN THAT THEN WE'RE OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE A DECLARATION THAT GOES AWAY.

DO YOU KNOW IF ALL OF OUR CITIES HAVE ISSUED A DECLARATION? NOT ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW FOR DURING THE SAME SITUATION.

IF THEY'RE EXPANDING FUNDS AND THEY HAVEN'T GOT A DECLARATION THAT IS CORRECT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN LINE FOR FUNDING.

SO RIGHT NOW FORNEY, TERRELL AND COFFIN ARE THE ONLY ONES I KNOW OF MAY BANK MY BANK HAS.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE ISSUED A DECLARATION AND AFTER THIS I WILL GET WITH THE OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION.

PROBABLY JUST MAYBE HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NECESSITY OF IT BECAUSE THEY COULD VERY WELL SPEND MONEY ON THEIR OWN THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S A DISASTER DECLARATION.

THEY DON'T, THAT DOESN'T EXTEND TO THE NECESSITY TO FOR MUNICIPALITY ISSUE A SHELTER IN PLACE ORDER JUST A DISASTER.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT MONEY.

IT REALLY, WHAT IS THE JUDGE'S ORDER? WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE CITIES UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO ISSUE THEIR OWN ORDER.

IT CAN'T GO ABOVE WHAT THE COUNTY HAS ISSUED, BUT IF THEY WANT TO TIGHTEN IT, THEY CAN DO THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEVE? REBECCA? I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THANKS STEVE.

COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION.

SO ITEM TWO IS DISCUSS CONSIDERED EXTENDING KAUFMAN COUNTY'S DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER FOR PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY ISSUED BY JUDGE RICHARDS ON MARCH 18 2020 IS THERE A MOTION TO EXTEND? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO EXTEND THE DECLARATION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, THOSE OPPOSED? NO.

MOTION CARRIES.

[3. Discuss issuing a Shelter in Place Order under the authority of Section 418.108 of the Texas Government Code.]

AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSED ISSUING A SHELTER IN PLACE.

ORDER UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF SECTION FOUR 18.

I'M GOING TO READ THIS 0.108 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE OF THIS COURSE.

WHILE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION? UH, NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

THERE IS NO MOTION TO COME FORWARD AND ADD BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS I JUST SIGNED THE ORDER.

SO IT'S DISCUSSION ONLY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE THAT'S PERTINENT TO THE NEXT ITEM.

I THINK, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS THIS SOME MORE OR WE DISCUSSED IT? OKAY.

[4. Discuss/Consider extending the Order for Shelter in Place.]

OR IS IT PERTINENT? THE NEXT ITEM? IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

DOES IT REBECCA, BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXTENSION REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS IS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE ORIGINAL DECLARATION.

THAT'S CORRECT.