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[5. John Manning; Present/Accept the FY 2019 Audit Report]

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PART OF THE REPORT.

UM, WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS PAGE THREE STARTS THE MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS A NARRATIVE FORMAT OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE COUNTY DURING THE YEAR FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, TALKS ABOUT SOME OF YOUR BIG PROJECTS TALKS ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY MAJOR INITIATIVES THAT OCCURRED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FIVE, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY PLACE ANYMORE WHERE YOU HAVE COMPARATIVE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE ON PAGE FIVE, WE HAD YOUR GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE COUNTY PUT INTO ONE COLUMN OF FINANCIALS.

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THAT'S YOUR GENERAL FUND DEBT SERVICE ROAD AND BRIDGE.

AND THEN WE ALSO PUT IN ALL OF YOUR CAPITAL ASSETS AND ALL OF YOUR LONGTERM LIABILITIES, THIS IS REQUIRED UNDER GASPAR STATEMENT, 34 AND CURRENTLY, UM, UH, THE DISTRICT HAD ABOUT, OR THE COUNTY HAD ABOUT ALMOST $76 MILLION OF TOTAL ASSETS, UM, WITH ABOUT $96 MILLION OF TOTAL LIABILITIES WITHIN THAT POSITION OF A DEBIT BALANCE OF 13 BILLION, TWO 63.

AND THE BIG PART OF THAT IS IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR WHERE WE'VE HAD TO INCLUDE THE UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITIES, UH, WITH THE COUNTY BEING IN TCRS.

UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST A LIABILITY THAT GOES ON THAT HAS NO OFFSET.

IT JUST GOES DIRECTLY TO THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO THERE'S NO ASSET OFFSETTING IT.

AND THEN ALSO, IF YOU REMEMBER THE BONDS THAT Y'ALL ISSUED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THOSE ARE FOR STATE AND OTHER HIGHWAYS THAT DON'T BELONG TO THE COUNTY, RIGHT? SO SIMILAR THERE'S DEBT THAT YOU GUYS ARE PAYING BACK WITH NO CORRESPONDING ASSETS.

SO ALTHOUGH THIS IS A DEFICIT HERE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO TYPES OF ENTITIES.

AND IF YOU GO ON AND LOOK AT A LOT OF COUNTIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA, YOU'LL SEE A LOT THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF ALL THE HIGHWAY ACTIVITY PREDOMINANTLY THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DEBT THAT YOU'RE ISSUING TO HELP FUND A FEDERAL HIGHWAY.

SO RIGHT WHEN WE GET TO THE GENERAL FUND, THIS, ALL OF THIS IS A DEFICIT.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A RED FLAG, AND THAT WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON.

WE KNOW THE COMPONENTS OF WHY THAT NUMBER IS THERE.

UH, ALSO WITH THE PENSION, UM, WITH THAT, IF YOU JUST WANT TO FLIP TO PAGE 40, WE MET THE OTHER, UH, THURSDAY JUST KINDA WENT OVER THE DRAFT WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR AND COUNTY JUDGE, AND JUST KIND OF HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 40, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE PENSION LIABILITY GOING UP, THIS WASN'T A CHANGE MADE BY THE COUNTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN HORROR STORIES OF, OF PENSIONS AND OTHER STATES WHERE THE BENEFITS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED ARE, ARE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THOSE THINGS CAN BE PAID FOR.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

THIS IS A TC DRS PLAN THAT EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE IS UNDER.

THE ONLY WAY THIS IMPACTS THE COUNTY IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY ASK YOU TO CONTRIBUTE EVERY YEAR.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK OVER ON PAGE 40, THE REASON THAT THAT LIABILITY WENT FROM ABOUT 1.8 MILLION UP TO 9.6 WAS BECAUSE OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE ASSETS THEY'RE HELD BY TCDS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY.

IF YOU REMEMBER, THESE ARE ALWAYS A YEAR BEHIND.

SO THIS IS MEASURED AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2018.

AND IF WE THINK BACK NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2018, THE MARKET DID NOT DO WELL OUT OF EVERYBODY'S CONTROL, BUT THESE NUMBERS, THESE DOLLARS ARE HELD BY THEM.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE LAST YEAR, THEY HAD NET INVESTMENT INCOME OF A LITTLE OVER 10.2 MILLION FOR THE YEAR IN THE 2018 YEAR, IT WAS A DEFICIT 1.4, 9 MILLION.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SWING OF $11 MILLION THERE, WHICH IS THE REAL REASON WHY THAT PENSION NUMBER WENT UP.

AND IF YOU GO ACROSS, YOU CAN SEE THAT NET PENSION LIABILITY.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 9.6 1.8 6.7 5.9 1.9.

SO YOU CAN SEE, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT WHEN IT WENT UP OR DOWN IS BECAUSE OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE ASSETS THAT ARE BEING HELD BY TC DRESSES.

IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RETIREMENT PLAN THAT PEOPLE ARE IN.

SO UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE WAY THOSE HAVE TO BE PRESENTED IN THE FINANCIAL STATE, GO DIRECTLY TO THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO YOUR, YOUR NET ASSET NUMBER IS GOING TO KIND OF GO LIKE THIS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE AND POINT THAT OUT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS AND SEE THAT IT'S IN A DEFICIT POSITION, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE GETTING ALARMED BECAUSE I THINK FOR THE 19 YEAR, THE MARKET'S GOING TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.

AND I THINK THIS THING WILL FLIP.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY NOW WITH THE VIRUS AND WITH THE WAY THE MARKET'S BEEN IN 2020, PROBABLY GOING TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

SO IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE DOES.

SO THAT JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE IN A DEFICIT POSITION.

AND IF WE LOOK ON PAGE 11, WHICH IS A MORE MEANINGFUL OR CONTROLLABLE NUMBER, YOU CAN LOOK AT PAGE 11 AND THAT THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE THERE IS A LITTLE OVER ALMOST 8.6 MILLION.

I KNOW SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT NUMBER GOT VERY SMALL.

I ACTUALLY PROBABLY IN A DEFICIT POSITION IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THROUGH A LOT OF, UH, WORK THROUGH THE COUNTY, THROUGH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THROUGH ALL THE PEOPLE HERE, THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP TO ABOUT 8.6 MILLION A YEAR, ALMOST RIGHT IN THE SWEET SPOT OF WHERE JIA FILET RECOMMENDS THAT YOU BE.

THEY LIKE TO SEE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MONTHS OF EXPENDITURES IN FUND

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BALANCE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, HAVING FUN BALANCES, UH, IS A VERY GOOD THING TO HAVE.

UM, THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE THAT THERE IS IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE COUNTY GETS FUNDED, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES AND, AND AFTER JANUARY 31ST, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN BIG, BIG, BIG, AND THEN THEY JUST REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE COMING IN, HAVE ANY SIZABLE AMOUNTS FOR REST OF THE YEAR.

SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST MONEY BEING HELD AND IT'S NOT BEING SPENT, THIS IS AS A ONE POINT IN TIME.

AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE COUNTY GETS FUNDED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE THAT 3.5 MONTHS OF EXPENDITURES THERE AND YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT THERE.

UM, SO THE ONLY FUNDS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE PRESENTED INDIVIDUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 11 OR YOUR GENERAL, YOUR GENERAL ROAD BRIDGE AND YOUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, FUNDS, UH, COUNTY ENDED UP WITH ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 33.7 MILLION IN CASH.

UM, BIGGEST LIABILITY THERE ON THOSE STATEMENTS IS YOUR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, WHICH IS SERVICES THAT WERE PROVIDED BEFORE NINE 30, BUT NOT PAID FOR UNTIL AFTER VERY EASY TO TEST.

AND, AND REALLY THE GOOD THING ABOUT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS HERE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT AUDIT WORK, WE LOOK AT RISK AND OF THAT $33 MILLION OF CASH.

WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM 100% OF THAT WITH OUTSIDE ENTITIES, WHICH AS AN AUDITOR, IT'S KIND OF LIKE AS LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN GET CONFIRMATION FROM SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDES THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO GO, AND HERE'S HOW MUCH CASH WE HAVE.

YOU CAN'T GET ANY BETTER EVIDENCE THAN THAT.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO TIE ALL OF THOSE CASH ACCOUNTS DOWN, SAME WITH ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, VERY EASY TO TEST, NOT A LOT OF RISK.

AND SO FROM A RISK STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE JUST INHERENTLY EASY TO MISREPRESENT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT TYPICALLY COUNTIES IN TEXAS HAVE.

THEIR, THEIR BALANCE SHEETS ARE VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ESTIMATES HERE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GUESSWORK.

SO WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THESE NUMBERS HERE.

UM, IF YOU LOOK OVER ON PAGE 14, AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND, UH, STAYED UNDER BUDGET ON YOUR EXPENDITURES, UH, COLLECTED MORE REVENUE THAN YOU ANTICIPATED AND WERE ABLE TO ADD, UH, TO THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE FOR THE YEAR, A BIG CHANGE IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FUND.

THAT'S WHERE THE BOND MONIES GO.

THOSE ARE PUT IN ALL IN A LUMP SUM AND AS THOSE PROJECTS GET FUNDED, THAT MONEY GOES DOWN.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT FUND BALANCE LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT 20.6 MILLION THIS YEAR, IT'S 14.4.

BUT AGAIN, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE LARGE EXPENDITURES AND VERIFY THAT THEY WERE FOR HIGHWAY PROJECTS AND THAT THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE, UH, DECREASE IN LIGHT OF WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING AND WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE GOING ON THERE.

SO, UM, THE REST OF THE REPORT IS PREDOMINANTLY THE NOTES.

THERE'S ALSO SOME COMBINING STATEMENTS THERE WHERE WE COMBINE THE, THE LESSER FUNDS INTO ONE COLUMN THAT GOES UP FRONT.

UM, ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PENSION LIABILITIES, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A SENSITIVE SUBJECT AND IT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED UNDER GAP.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 32, THIS IS WHAT WE CALL AN ACTUARIAL ACCRUED LIABILITY.

MEANING ACTUARIES COME IN, THEY LOOK AT HOW LONG PEOPLE ANTICIPATE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY LOOK AT HOW LONG THEY THINK PEOPLE WILL LIVE.

THEY LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 30, TWO, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU SEE WHAT'S CALLED A SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS AND TCD, IRS USES A DISCOUNT RATE OF 8.1%, WHICH THEY'VE JUSTIFIED.

AND WE FEEL AS REASONABLE IF THEY WOULD HAVE INCREASED IT TO 9.1, JUST 1% OF ONE NUMBER.

YOUR LIABILITY GOES FROM 9.6 MILLION TO BEING OVERFUNDED BY 620,000.

CONVERSELY, IF THEY USED 1% LOWER, YOUR NUMBER WOULD HAVE BEEN 22 MILLION.

SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT THEIR TCD IRS INFORMATION THAT THEY GIVE THE COUNTY EACH YEAR, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE ACTUARIAL STUDY.

THIS IS JUST ONE NUMBER.

AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF NUMBERS THAT GO INTO THIS.

SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A LIABILITY ON THERE AND RECORD THIS.

MY POINT OF SHOWING YOU, THIS IS JUST ONE NUMBER.

IF YOU CHANGED IT, HOW SUBJECTIVE THAT NUMBER IS, THERE IS AN OBLIGATION THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE ALL CAN AGREE WITH THAT.

WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THAT'S A POINT OF CONJECTURE, BUT WHAT THEY ARE USING A VERY GOOD ACTUARIAL FIRM, THEIR PENSION PLAN IS RUN VERY WELL.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS A LARGE NUMBER, AND I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT A NUMBER THAT YOU EVER WRITE A CHECK FOR, LIKE YOUR DEBT, WHEN YOU, EVERY

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FEBRUARY AND WHATEVER YOUR PAYMENT DATES ARE, THEY SEND AN INVOICE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY THIS BACK.

YOU ARE PAYING THIS, BUT YOU'RE PAYING IT EVERY YEAR.

SO YOU'RE NOT BEHIND ON YOUR PAYMENTS.

YOU'RE EXTREMELY CURRENT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, THIS IS THE RULE OF HOW THIS NEEDS TO BE RECORDED.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS ON HERE.

SO HOPEFULLY IN 19, THE MARKET LOOKED GOOD ENOUGH WHERE THIS NUMBER WILL COME BACK AND THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY WHY THAT NET POSITION NUMBER LOOKS THAT WAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME THERE AND KIND OF GO OVER THAT BECAUSE OF THOSE BALANCES THAT WERE THERE THIS YEAR, THE COUNTY DID NOT SPEND ENOUGH TO MEET THE THRESHOLD, TO HAVE A SINGLE AUDIT, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE AUDIT UNDER GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.

AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT COLLATERAL.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OKAY.

IF, IF YOU HAVE MONEY THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED FOR RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT FUND, ARE YOU GOING AND BUYING MOTOR GRADERS WITH THAT MONEY? WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPLIANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND OUT OF ALL, THE TESTING THAT WE DID, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES OR MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IN THE ITEMS THAT WE SELECTED FOR TESTING.

SO AGAIN, VERY GOOD.

AND JUST TO GIVE THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE, A LOT OF CREDIT, THEY ESPECIALLY WITH DEALING WITH THIS VIRUS, BUT THEY PUT EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED FOR IN PORTAL, WE'RE ABLE TO DO OUR WORK, YOU KNOW, UNOBSTRUCTED, EVERYBODY THAT WE DEALT WITH, WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO FRAUD INTERVIEWS.

NOBODY HAD ANY TYPE OF CONCERNS OR, OR BEING PRESSURED BY PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THAT THEY FELT WERE NOT WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING.

AND SO EVERYBODY THAT WE DEALT WITH THAT THE COUNTY WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND VERY CONSIDERATE OF OUR AUDITORS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE AN AUDIT REPORT THAT LOOKS THIS WAY, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE AUDITOR AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR LETTING US BE HERE.

AND IF ALL MY AUDITS WENT LIKE THIS, I HAVE LESS GRAY HAIR THAN I DO, WHICH I'M PRETTY FORTUNATE.

SO YEAH, IT'S IN THERE.

YOU JUST GOTTA, YOU GOTTA LOOK HARD.

SOME OF US DON'T HAVE MUCH SYMPATHY WITH YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT REALLY THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL, I'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN THOSE NOW, BUT VERY GOOD.

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS.

WELL, THANKS FOR THE REPORT.

CONGRATULATIONS WITH THE AUDITOR.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET AN A PLUS, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC MONEY.

SO JUST IN LIGHT OF 20, YOU KNOW, WE WERE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING, IF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO START GETTING SOME FUNDS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE COVERT EFFORTS.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING THROUGH WITH THESE JUNE THIRTIES AND I'M GOING TO START CONTACTING EVERYBODY, SEEING IF THEY HAVE GOT SOME FUNDS AND SEEING IF WE CAN BE A RESOURCE FOR, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOME, SOME ANSWERS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO FIND THAN OTHERS.

AND JUST TRY TO BE A CONDUIT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU USE THAT MONEY PROPERLY AND THAT YOU MAXIMIZE USING THAT MONEY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE, THIS WILL GET BETTER.

I KNOW EVERYBODY'S READY FOR IT TOO, BUT, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO TEST IF YOU GET A LARGE SUM AND IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE TESTED BY THAT TIME, WE WILL BE ABLE TO TEST THOSE FUNDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT THINGS ARE DONE PROPERLY.

ASK THEM DO WHAT I FIGURED YOU WOULD BE.

WELL NOW, NOT JUST WITH THAT, BUT WITH OTHER THINGS TOO.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, SO, UH, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR WOULD BE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FYI 2019 AUDIT REPORT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION TO ACCEPT FROM COMMISSIONER BARBER IS HER SECOND I'LL SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES

[4. Judge Richards; Discuss and consider appointment of an elected official to the Regional Transportation Council board.]

NOW BACK UP TO ITEM FOUR, UH, THAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE RTC.

THIS IS KIND OF A LONG STORY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS.

COFFIN COUNTY HAS NOT HAD A REPRESENTATIVE.

UH, WE, WE'VE NOT HAD A SEAT ON THE RTC BOARD, OR WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T EVEN, UH, FOR SOME TIME HAD A BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE ALTERNATE SEAT.

THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THE COUNTY.

UH, WE SHARE THAT SEAT WITH ELLIS COUNTY, THE COUNTY THAT HAS THE LARGEST POPULATION HAS THE PREROGATIVE OF APPOINTING

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THE, THE VOTING REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT.

THEY CALL THE CLUSTER, WHICH WOULD BE THESE TWO COUNTIES AND THE LARGEST CITIES AND OUR COUNTIES.

UM, SO AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, WE FIGURED OUT THAT, UM, ELLIS COUNTY HAS, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THE, THE PRIMARY SEAT.

AND WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM THE COUNTY AS THE ALTERNATE, UM, THE BYLAWS OR THE RTC SUGGEST THAT THAT, THAT, THAT SEAT IS ALTERNATED BETWEEN, UH, COUNTIES IN THE CLUSTER.

BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT GOING ON FOR YEARS, I GUESS.

SO WHAT YOU GUYS, WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU GUYS TO DO IS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHO WE WOULD WANT TO APPOINT AS THE ALTERNATE TO OUR, AS OUR RTC BOARD MEMBER.

SO THAT CAN BE ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL.

DID YOU YOU'VE BEEN ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS ALREADY? I MEAN, I HAVEN'T BEEN JUDGE WHAT, UH, WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S THE POPULATION DIFFERENCE NOW? OH, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S A 20, 30,000.

UH, THEY'RE IN THERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWING FAST ALSO.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LARGEST POPULATION, UH, COUNTY PROBABLY FOR SOME TIME.

YUP.

THEY ARE.

WELL, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONER BARKER POINTS OUT, YOU'VE BEEN ATTENDING AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY ATTUNED TO THIS, SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE LOGICAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR COCHRAN COUNTY WOULD BE THE COUNTY JUDGE.

OKAY.

SO A LESS THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT THE COUNTY JUDGE TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE RTC.

OKAY.

WE HAD THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CAGES OR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE.

THOSE PPOS KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES

[6. Constable Johnson; Discuss/Consider approving deputations of Roy Williams Jr. and Aaron Ross as Reserve Constable positions for Kaufman County Pct. 2 Constable's Office.]

NEXT UP.

CONSTABLE JOHNSON DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING DEPUTIZATION OF ROY WILLIAMS JR.

AND AARON ROSS HAS RESERVED CONSTABLE POSITIONS FOR COPLAND COUNTY PRECINCT TWO.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS, UH, TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT COME HIGHLY REPRESENTATIVE.

UH, BOTH OF THEM HAVE MASTERPIECE OFFICER LICENSE.

MR. WILLIAMS ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

HE HAS, UH, 27 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

UM, AND MR. ROSS HAS 10 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

HE ACTUALLY COMES FROM DPS OFFICE.

UM, BOTH OF THEM AFTER DOING THEIR BACKGROUND HAS, UH, VERY, BEEN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, UM, BY THE AGENCIES THAT THEY WORKED WITH.

AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO PRECINCT TWO, ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY OF 40, WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

AND I'M SORRY THAT MR. WILLIAMS COULDN'T MAKE IT.

HE ACTUALLY HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY HAPPENED LAST NIGHT DURING THE STORMS, SO HE CAN NOT MAKE IT HERE THIS MORNING.

HE APOLOGIZE.

AND IF WE NEED TO RESET THIS, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO RESET HIS QUESTIONS.

NO, NO, I DON'T.

I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO RAISE GAMES.

I MIGHT SAY I'LL BE THERE ON THAT, ON THIS PERSON THAT MANY YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY BE SOLVED OR THIS THAT'S GOOD.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS.

YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE TWO POSITIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS MAKES A MOTION APPROVE THOSE TWO RESERVE CONSTABLE POSITIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? OH, SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION.

JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION.

THOSE ARE, SO THESE RESERVE DEPUTIES, ARE THEY UNFUNDED? THEY WANT ME THERE.

YES, SIR.

THEY ARE.

YEAH.

THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN BONDS, COMMISSIONER CAGE.

SO THEY PAY FOR EVERYTHING.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO.

WE MADE SURE OF THAT WHEN WE STARTED THE RUSH ORDERS TO A WHILE BACK THAT WAY, THE COUNTY DOES NOT TAKE A HIT ON IT.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION HEARING? NONE.

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU CONSTANTLY.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

[7. Rebecca Lundberg;Discuss/Consider entering Interlocal Agreement between Kaufman County and Kaufman County Fresh Water Supply District No. 1-C.]

THANKS.

NEXT ITEM DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER ENTERING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND KAUFMAN COUNTY, FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.

NUMBER ONE.

SEE, I DON'T KNOW, WHO'S CARRYING THIS SINCE I'M FILLING IN FOR MISS LUNDBERG.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHAT I KNOW IS WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE FIRST ONE WERE SUPPLIED DISTRICT NUMBER ONE Z, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WINDMILL FARMS ABOUT, UM, A BIG THING.

OUR TRAFFIC REGULATION AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY, THEY'D LIKE TO IMPOSE SOME, UH, SPEED LIMITS WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT.

AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEEDED TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY,

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UM, MODIFYING OUR PREVIOUSLY, UH, ENTERED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM FOR TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS THE AMENDED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.

AND THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO PUT IN SOME TRAFFIC SPEED ON IT.

DIDN'T WE JUST DO THIS OR DO WE JUST HAVE SOMETHING ON THEM WITH ALLOWING THEM TO PUT UP? WE JUST ENTERED INTO A INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY TO, TO BE ABLE TO WRITE TICKETS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

BASICALLY, RIGHT.

YES.

AND FORCED THE LAWS AS WHAT WE ENTERED INTO LAST.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO POST ACTUAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY WRITE A SPEED LIMIT TICKET.

JARED CONSTABLE LOFTS, HIGHWAY PATROL, ANYBODY THAT GOES THROUGH THEIR MAIL, WRITE A TICKET.

OKAY.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM SEVEN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT RAYMOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IN SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION WHO, WHO THEN MAKES THE DETERMINATION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE SPEED LIMIT? IS THAT DONE IN CONSTANTLY DOING IT ON THE STATE REGULATIONS? WHETHER THE WORDS DOING THE SAME AS THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S THE SAME SPEED LIMIT.

THEY'RE 35, JUST LIKE OUR COUNTY ROADS EXCEPT IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AREA.

I THINK THEY HAD A 25 IN THERE ON THE SO JUST IT'S.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT FAILED THAT THEY'LL MEET.

THE STATE MAY HAVE TO USE THE SAME STATE REGULATIONS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM SEVEN IS ANY MORE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE LET'S POSE.

NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES

[8. Discuss/Consider exiting regular meeting and enter into public hearing.]

AUTOMATE, UH, DISCUSS EXITING REGULAR MEETING AND ENTERING TO A PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO EXIT REGULAR MEETING ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING? MAKE MOTION? WE HAVE EMOTIONAL COMMISSIONED BARBERS OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

UH,

[9. Public Hearing; Receive input from the public regarding setting speed limit and placing signs on the following roads within the Kaufman County Fresh Water Supply District No. 1-C, Pct. 2: setting a 25 mph speed limit and placing signs for same on Flint Rock Drive, Granite Rock Trail, Marble Falls Drive, Flowering Spring Drive, Clear Springs Drive, Perch Drive, Calla Drive, Cat Tail Way, Mares Tail Drive, Spyglass Drive, Road A, Road B, Road G, Juniper Drive, Cedar Park Drive, Wildwood Drive, Fairview Drive, Cone Flower Drive, Gardenia Drive, Fresia Lane, Bluebell Drive, Brook Meadow Drive, Natchez Drive, Fair Crest Trail, Dewberry Drive, Sumac Drive, Aster Trail, Northridge Drive, Rose May Drive, Preston Trail, Chisolm Trail, Songbird Drive, Cobblestone Trail and setting a 35 mph speed limit and placing signs for same on Reeder Road, Iron Gate Boulevard, Windmill Farms Boulevard in the Kaufman County Fresh Water Supply District No. 1-C, Kaufman County Pct. 2.]

WE WERE IN A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING SITTING SPEED LIMIT IN PLACING SIGNS ON THE FALLING ROADS WITHIN COFFIN COUNTY FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.

NUMBER ONE, PRECINCT TO SETTING A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND PLACING SIGNS FOR THE SAME ON FLINT ROCK DRIVE, GRANITE ROCK TRAIL, MARVEL TRAIL DRIVE.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ, THIS IS ALL A MATTER OF RECORD.

I'M GOING TO READ ALL THE NAMES OF THESE STREETS.

UM, SO WE'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYONE WITH US CARE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED ACTION TO THE COURT? IS THERE ANYONE WITH HIS HEARING THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED ACTION ON THE COURT? OKAY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE COMING FORTH.

UH, NEXT ITEM, DISCUSS,

[10. Discuss/Consider exiting public hearing and enter back into regular meeting.]

CONSIDER EXITING PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER BACK INTO REGULAR MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE MOTION TO, UH, GO BACK INTO A REGULAR MEETING FROM COMMISSIONER BARBERS OR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CAGE.

DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

I SUPPOSE KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES

[11. Discuss/Consider setting 25 mph speed limit and placing signs for same on Flint Rock Drive, Granite Rock Trail, Marble Falls Drive, Flowering Spring Drive, Clear Springs Drive, Perch Drive, Calla Drive, Cat Tail Way, Mares Tail Drive, Spyglass Drive, Road A, Road B, Road G, Juniper Drive, Cedar Park Drive, Wildwood Drive, Fairview Drive, Cone Flower Drive, Gardenia Drive, Fresia Lane, Bluebell Drive, Brook Meadow Drive, Natchez Drive, Fair Crest Trail, Dewberry Drive, Sumac Drive, Aster Trail, Northridge Drive, Rose May Drive, Preston Trail, Chisolm Trail, Songbird Drive, Cobblestone Trail and setting a 35 mph speed limit and placing signs for same on Reeder Road, Iron Gate Boulevard, Windmill Farms Boulevard in the Kaufman County Fresh Water Supply District No. 1-C, Kaufman County Pct. 2]

ITEM 11, DISCUSS CONSIDER SETTING 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT IN PLACING SIGNS FOR THE SAME ON THE ROADS THAT ARE LISTED UNDER ITEMS 11 IN THE AGENDA.

UH, IS THERE A FEW GENERAL QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 11? LIKE EMOTIONAL, GO AHEAD AND SET THE SPEED LIMIT 25 MILES.

NOW COMMISSIONER HUNT MAKES A MOTION TO, UH, ON AUTUMN 11 TO SET THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.

IS THERE A SECOND? WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE 35 MILES.

SO I'M SORRY.

THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO THINGS.

TWO SPEED LIMITS IN THERE.

UH, AND COMMISSIONER HUNTER, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MANY OF YOUR MOTION TO SET 25 MILE AN HOURS ON THOSE LISTED AT 25 AND THEN 35 MILE AN HOUR FOR THOSE LISTED 35? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THAT AMENDED MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KATE'S DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE PO'S KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

FOR THAT, FOR ME,

[12. Rebecca Lundberg; Discuss/Consider approving donation of roadway materials/construction of CR 260; Pct. 1.]

I'M 12 RHONDA, WHO HE DISCUSSED CONSIDER THE PRESERVATION OF 30 RECORD BOOKS FOR DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE BY CAUFIELD TECHNOLOGIES UNDER 18.

WE'VE GOT 12 YEAR 12 IS COUNSELING.

I'M SORRY.

I'M ON ADAM 12, RIGHT?

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ITEM 12 IS RHONDA HUEY.

WELL, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE AGENDA AND I'M GOING TO CLAIM THAT MY VERSION IS THE OFFICIAL VERSION.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS HERE YOU GO.

UH, OKAY.

ALRIGHT THEN.

SO ITEM 12 IS A DAB DISCUSSED, CONSIDER APPROVING DONATION OF ROW OF MATERIALS, CONSTRUCTION FOR COUNTY ROAD TWO 60 PRECINCT ONE.

SO LENNAR HOMES IS A AGREEING TO DONATE MATERIALS WITH THE MARKET VALUE OF 833240 CENTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO COUNTY ROAD TWO 60.

THIS IS BLAME IT'S IN PERSON ONE.

YES.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT DONATION.

WE NEED TO ACCEPT IN ORDER TO GET THOSE HURDLES AND FIX THE ROAD QUESTIONS.

WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT, EIGHT 33, 240 CENTS.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A MOTION? I'M LIKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE ROADWAY MATERIALS CONSTRUCTION.

TWO 60 COMMISSIONER HUNT, UH, MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE ROADWAY MATERIALS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, WHERE COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES

[13. Rebecca Lundberg; Discuss/Consider approving maintenance bond for construction donation on CR 260; Pct. 1.]

BACK TO DAVE AGAIN, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING MAINTENANCE BOND FOR CONSTRUCTION ON COUNTY ROAD TWO 60 PRECINCT ONE.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE GROWTH MATERIALS THAT THEY'VE DONATED, THEY'RE AGREEING TO ENTER IN THIS MAINTENANCE BOND.

IT'S GOOD FOR TWO YEARS TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD.

ONCE IT'S BEEN REPAIRED, THE VALUE OF THAT IS $159,191 AND 55 CENTS.

AND THAT MAINTENANCE BOND HAS BEEN UNDERWRITTEN BY PULLING AMERICAN, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS OR QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION, MIKE EMOTION? WE APPROVED THE MAINTENANCE BOND FOR THE CANNON ROAD TWO 60, UH, COMMISSIONER HOMEX MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAINTENANCE BOND AS PRESENTED.

IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND, SECOND PERMISSION TO PHILLIPS DISCUSSION FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM 14.

[14. Rhonda Hughey; Discuss/Consider the preservation of 30 Record Books for the District Clerk's Office by Kofile Technologies, Inc. Under TXMA-18-3602.]

RHONDA HUEY DISCUSSED, CONSIDERED A PRESERVATION OF 30 RECORD BOOKS FOR DISTRICT OFFICE ABOUT COVAL TECHNOLOGIES.

GOOD MORNING.

OKAY.

I'M HERE, UH, ASKING FOR APPROVAL.

UM, I'VE GOT ABOUT 30.

WELL, I'VE GOT MORE THAN 30 RECORD BOOKS AS NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED.

STARTING PART OF OUR PRESERVATION, UH, FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO START, I'VE GOT ENOUGH TO DO 30 BOOKS THAT $107,000 THAT WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF A RECORD PRESERVATION FUND.

I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. REED ROACHES HERE WITH ME.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, HE WILL BE, HIS COMPANY WILL BE PRESERVING OUR BOOKS FROM CO FILE TECHNOLOGIES.

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? MMM, PROBABLY SIX TO NINE MINUTES.

AND THEN I'VE GOT A CABINET THAT THEY'RE GOING THAT PROVIDE, WELL ALSO IN THIS QUOTE TO WE'LL STORE THOSE IN, BUT I'VE GOT A LOT MORE BOOKS AFTERWARDS, BUT YEAH, I'VE SEEN THEM.

AND WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE YEARS RANGE? 1800, 1800 1970, I THINK.

WOW.

WHAT'S THE READER'S DIGEST METHOD THAT THE RECORDS ARE PRESERVED.

HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY PRESERVED? WELL, UM, SURE.

YEAH.

MAKE, MAKE US A LESSON.

MMM, WELL ACTUALLY PROFILE IS BACK IN CONSIDERABLE WORK FOR COFFEE YEARS.

UM, ONE OF OUR GOOD TESTIMONIES IS BACK HERE IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT, UH, THESE RECORDS START IN THE LATE TO MID 1850S AND GO UP THE ONES WE'RE DOING NOW UP TO, HE SET UP TO ABOUT 1970 AND WE PICK UP THE ORIGINAL BOOKS.

UH, WE HAVE A LAB AND A PRESERVATION LAB IN BALTZ IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

THIS IS WHERE WE'VE DONE THE WORK FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.

UH, AND WE START BY THIS ASSEMBLING THESE, THESE ARE BOUND BOOKS, STITCHED AND HANDWRITTEN, AND WE TALK, UH, START BY DISASSEMBLING THESE BOOKS.

WE PREPARE THE PAGES AND THE ONES THAT HAVE DOG HERE, THE ONES THAT HAVE CRUMBLED, WHERE, AND IF YOU ALL EVER GO LOOK IN SOME OF THOSE BOOKS, WHEN YOU OPEN UP, THERE'S ACTUALLY PIECES THAT WILL COME OUT ON THE GROUND OF THESE PAGES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PIPER IS THE CHAIR AIDING BECAUSE OF THE ACIDITY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY POINTS.

THE ACIDITY IN THE PAPER IS ACTUALLY WHAT TURNS THEM BROWN AND BRITTLE.

SO WE, UH, WE REPAIR PAGES

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THAT HAVE, YOU'LL FIND LOTS OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHERE PEOPLE THINK THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO TYPE THAT PAGE BACK IN THERE OR THAT CORNER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE WORST THING YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO, BECAUSE I TELL YOU, IT ACCELERATES THE DETERIORATION OF THE ORIGINAL PAGE, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE REPAIR THE PAGES.

WE INSPECT EACH AND EVERY PAGE, AND THEN WE HAVE A AND SET UP LOCATION PROCESS.

AND IT'S A CHEMICAL THAT AFTER WE'VE GOT THE PAGES RESTORED AND REPAIRED, WE ACTUALLY SPRAY THESE PAGES AND IT PULLS ALL THE ACIDITY OUT OF THE PAPER, WHICH STABILIZES THAT PAGE.

AND AFTER THAT WORK IS DONE AND WE ACTUALLY WILL TAKE THAT THAT'S BEEN REPAIRED AND RESTORED AND BEING CERTIFIED AND WE ENCAPSULATE IT, NOT PERMANENTLY ENCAPSULATE IT LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN YOU'D LAMINATE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND HOPING IT LASTS FOREVER, IT'S ACTUALLY IN A ACID FREE SLEEVE THAT CAN, WHERE THE PAGE CAN BE TAKEN OUT AND REMOVED AND PUT BACK IN.

AND THEN THEY'RE PUT INTO NEW BINDERS, THEY'RE LOOSE LEAF BINDERS, WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE PAGE OUT AND MAKE COPIES IF SOMEBODY WANTED AN ORIGINAL PAGE AND THE BINDERS THAT WE PUT THEM IN.

AND WE DID THE FIRST, UH, EIGHT BOOKS OF THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

AND, UM, UH, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE THE PAGE OUT TO MAKE COPIES.

BUT THE BINDERS THAT WE USE WHERE WE PUT THE RESTORED BOOKS BACK IN ARE ACTUALLY, UH, WATER RESISTANT AND FIREPROOF.

UH, SO YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT GOING FOR YOU.

AND THEN, LIKE RHONDA SAID THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE PRICE OF THIS, THE SHELVING THAT HOUSES, THESE NEW BINDERS.

SO BASICALLY YOU'RE TAKING YOUR ORIGINAL RECORDS AND PUTTING IT EACH PAGE OF EACH BOOK IN A TIME CAPSULE THAT, UM, SO THESE ORIGINAL RECORDS WILL BE GOOD WHEN OUR GRANDKIDS, GRANDKIDS ARE ALL DEAD AND GONE.

UM, THE WORK THAT WE DO IS THERE IN DALLAS AND ALL THE PIPES THAT WE HAVE.

AND BY THE WAY WE HAD, UH, THROUGH THIS CORONAVIRUS, WE'D ACTUALLY, UH, WE MAINTAINED OUR POSITION WITH THE EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE ABOUT 60 HOURLY WRITING EMPLOYEES FROM THESE PAGES, UM, THAT WE KEPT ON FOR THREE WEEKS.

CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OVER.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE FURLOUGHED THEM, MAY THE 12TH, WE BROUGHT BACK 25% OF THEM AFTER WE HAD REPOSITIONED OUR FACILITY.

UH, THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE BROUGHT BACK THE OTHER 25% AND THE FOLLOWING MONDAY, WE BROUGHT BACK THE WHOLE CREW.

SO, UH, AND THEN IN RHONDA AND, AND LAURA HAVE SEEN OUR FACILITY AND IT'S AN INCREDIBLE, AND I THINK MAYBE EVEN I AM, YEAH, I'VE BEEN THERE.

YEAH.

I SUGGEST TO EVERYBODY, I THINK, I THINK COMMISSIONER CASE WOULD REALLY ENJOY IT.

AND HE HE'S IN THE, THAT KIND OF TELLING YOU, IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE TO GO OVER AND WATCH THEM DO THE SIDES.

IT'S REALLY AN INCREDIBLE FACILITY.

THAT'S A LUCKY TELL HIM WHERE IT CAME FROM, TELL THEM WHO, THE ONLY PREVIOUS AND HOW Y'ALL CAME, THE OWNER, MR. RHODES IN THE BASEMENT, THE WAY IT'S MADE.

IT'S THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN WAS THE OLD EASTMAN KODAK BUILDING, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S UM, ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A FALLOUT SHELTER FOR LOVE FIELD BACK DURING THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS ALL COMING TO AN END.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE HOTSPOT FOR LOVE FIELD REPOSITION, ALL THEIR CONTROL TOWERS AND EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S ANY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY AN IMPRESSIVE FACILITY.

AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTO THAT, YEAH.

YOU JUST COME AND SPEND THE ENTIRE DAY COMMISSION.

WE'D BE GLAD TO HAVE.

UM, UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE UNDERSTAND, AND THIS IS ALL WE DO.

UM, THIS IS THE ONLY BUSINESS THAT WE'RE IN IS WITH, UH, OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND THE WORK THAT'S DONE IS, UH, WE, IT OUT OF THE VAULT AND I DON'T MEAN LIKE A CLOSET.

I MEAN, THIS IS AN HONEST TO GOSH, VAULT WAS STILL DOORS.

WE PULL IT OUT DURING THE DAY, PEOPLE WORK ON IT.

EVERY STROKE, EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE IS LOGGED IN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE PUT IT BACK IN THE VAULT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD A, DURING THE VIRUS, MOST OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR WORK THAT ACCOUNTING PEOPLE AND WHATNOT COULD WORK FROM HOME.

AND OBVIOUSLY THESE PEOPLE HAD TO BE ON SITE.

SO WE'RE BACK UP AND RUNNING A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT ANYTIME I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

IT'S A IT'S RIGHT OVER BY LEFT FIELD.

AND SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE AN EASY TRIP FOR YOU.

THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT.

WELL, I'M A HISTORY MAJOR AND I JUST, I JUST KNOW HOW REALLY IMPORTANT PRESERVING OUR HISTORY AND PRESERVING THESE RECORDS ARE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR THE, THE OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER INSTANCES YOU MIGHT NEED THAT INFORMATION, BUT JUST AS A, THIS IS THE HERITAGE THAT, THAT, UH, AND THE LEGACY THAT WE LEAVE FOR THE FUTURE GENERATION.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, NOT ONLY THE CARE AND CONCERN THAT OUR CLERKS TAKE WITH THESE RECORDS, BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO IT.

SO I, I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I, AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITIZENS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE SPENDING IT WISELY AND FOR TRUE A, A TRULY MEANINGFUL PURPOSE.

WELL, I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

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THANK YOU.

MA'AM UM, OKAY.

WELL, WE HAVE, BEFORE US LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT PROJECT FOR PRESERVATION OF THOSE 30 RECORD BOOKS, IS THERE A MOTION ON MY MOTION? WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER HUNT.

IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND SEGMENT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES

[15. Chelsea Endicott; Discuss/Consider motion to approve final plat for Harvey Estates.]

CHELSEA ENDICOTT DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN FOR HARVEY ESTATES.

GOOD MORNING AND GENTLEMEN.

UM, SO HARVEY ESTATES, UM, IS A SUBDIVISION THAT WILL BE LOCATED IN PRECINCT FOR THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT WAS HASTY GOMEZ GOMEZ CREATED FOUR LOTS THAT WILL ALL GET THERE, FURNISHED FROM FM ONE 48.

UM, HE'S WENT THROUGH OUR POTTING PROCESS.

HE'S OBTAINED ALL OF THE APPROVALS THAT YOU GUYS SET FOR US ARE SET FORTH IN OUR REGULATIONS.

UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE, I CAN ANSWER THEM QUESTIONS.

HEY BUDDY, IF NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION, JUDGE, UH, COMMISSIONER CATES MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT FINAL PLAT.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I WAS SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, BACK

[16. Chelsea Endicott; Discuss/Consider motion to approve final plat for Shepard Place.]

TO CHELSEA, DISCUSS CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE FINAL PLAT FOR SHEPARD, UM, SHEPHERDS PLACES ACTUALLY BEING CREATED BY MARK NEEDHAM.

HE'S HERE FOR TODAY FOR Y'ALL TO, UM, IT'S GOING TO LOCATED IN PRECINCT THREE.

UH, HE'S GONNA MAKE 16 LOTS.

ALL OF THEIR FRONTAGE ARE GONNA GET IT, UM, FROM THE COUNTY ROAD THREE 13, UM, HE'S RECEIVED ALL OF HIS APPROVALS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AS WELL.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE ABOUT IT, I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING YOU'VE GOT.

EXCUSE ME.

UH, MARK, COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOMES ARE GOING TO BUILD OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, SIZE AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE? YES, SIR.

WHAT A SILENT HOME, RIGHT BETWEEN 13 AND 1600 SQUARE FEET, ACTUAL LIVING SPACE, UH, WILL BE, UH, WE SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE, UH, SALFORD RATIO, THE GARAGE DOORS, AND, UH, THEY'RE ALL CUSTOM HOMES, CUSTOM DESIGNED AND CUSTOM BUILT.

UH, THEY'LL RUN A RANGE FROM ABOUT, UH, TWO 10 UP TO ABOUT TWO 60.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SURE.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 16? I'LL MAKE MOTION TO BREW.

WE HAVE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN FOR SHIPPER.

PLACES ARE A SECOND.

OH, SECOND SHAMAN COMMISSIONER HUNT, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, CHELSEA.

OKAY.

[17. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider award of contract for RFQ. 20-18: Request for Qualifications for CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TESTING and GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING SERVICES]

STRING OF ITEMS HERE FOR RAVEN SMITH, FIRST ITEM 17 DISCUSSION CONSIDER AWARD A CONTRACT RFQ 2018 REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, TESTING AND GEO TECH SERVICES.

AND GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

WE HAD QUITE A FEW RESPONDENTS FOR THE GEOTECHNICAL AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

WE MET WITH THE CONSULTANT ENGINEER, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THEY WERE PART OF THE EVALUATION TEAM OF THE 12.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING FIVE CONTRACTS JUST DUE TO THE NUMBER OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS, AND ALSO THEY WILL BE ASSISTING IN ALL OF OUR BUILDING CONTRACTS.

SO I'M JUST REQUESTING PERMISSION TO ENTER INTO COMMUNICATION WITH THESE VENDORS.

AS FAR AS PRICING AND FUTURE CONTRACTS.

THESE CONTRACTS WILL BE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS AND, UM, WITH THE TWO YEAR RENEWAL, WHICH WOULD GET US THROUGH THE JUSTICE CENTER BUILDING QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, AWARD THAT CONTRACT I'LL MAKE A MOTION? WE HAD THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER BARBARA TO WORK CONTRACT RFQ 2018.

UH, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I TO KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES

[18. Raylan Smith; Discuss/Consider approval of FY 2020-2021 Law Enforcement recommendations.]

AUTOMATE TEAM DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF FYI 2021, 20 2021 LAW ENFORCEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST FOR FLEET RECOMMENDATIONS THIS YEAR, AND I'M NOT BRINGING TO YOU ALL OF THE FLEET REQ REQUESTS FOR THE YEAR, BUT WE DO AN OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE 2020 TAHOES, UM, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE ORDERING PROCESS.

UM, SO THIS WOULD JUST SIMPLY BE PERMISSION THAT YOU AGREE WITH THIS NUMBER OF POLICE INTERCEPTORS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED THIS YEAR.

AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO INTO LEASE AGREEMENT WITH ENTERPRISE, BUT WOULD NOT TAKE POSSESSION NOR PAYMENT UNTIL AFTER OCTOBER ONE, BUT THESE ARE VEHICLES AVAILABLE AT THE DEALERSHIP NOW.

SO IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY PUT THEM ON THE ROAD

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BY DECEMBER, JANUARY RATHER THAN THE SUMMER.

SO ARE THE PRODUCTION SCHEDULES STILL UNKNOWN, STILL CHANCEY AND PROFITABLE WE'RE STEADILY GOING UP.

SO WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MONEY.

THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS KIND OF IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN LEASES EARLY.

UM, OKAY.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT RECOMMENDATION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BARBARA.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER AND CAGE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, THOSE OPPOSED.

OH, THAT MOTION CARRIES,

[19. Raylan Smith; Discuss and consider approval of contract with Green Experts Construction, LLC, in the amount of $74,892.00 for the construction of a Pole Barn located in Precinct #4; utilizing RFP 19-19.]

UH, RAELYNN AGAIN, DISCUSS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF CONTRACT WITH GREEN EXPERTS CONSTRUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF 74,892 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POLE BOND LOCATED IN PRECINCT FOUR.

UM, YOU DO HAVE ALL THREE QUOTES ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET.

WE WENT THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE LOWEST BID, HOWEVER, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SECURE THE PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BOND.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE SECOND VENDOR CONTINGENT UPON AS RECEIVING THE PERFORMANCE AND PAYMENT BOND FOR THIS PROJECT QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OH, AND I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS A BUDGETED PROJECT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO BUILDING AN OPERATIONS IS COMING OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.

IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POLE BARN AT OUR COUNTY MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

IT'S LONG OVERDUE.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KATE'S FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, NEXT

[20. Mary Westbrook; Discuss/Consider/Approving amendment to the Evergreen contract previously approved on April 28, 2020.]

STEP.

UH, I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT MARY RISK MARY WESTBROOK IS NOT WELL TODAY.

UH, BUT WE HAVE OUR ABEL RIGHT HAND PERSON, BRITTANY DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AMENDMENT TO THE EVERGREEN CONTRACT PLEAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON APRIL 28TH, 2020.

SO BRITTANY, TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW.

UM, YES.

SO WE'RE, WE ADDED AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, I GUESS, TAKEN OUT.

UM, AND THEN SHE GAVE ME THE AMOUNT OF 10,100 IS THE COST OF IT.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST WANTING TO ADD THAT BACK IN.

YEAH.

SO WHAT I, YEAH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE COULD DO THE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

UH, WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE STUDY FOR WAGES AND CLASSIFICATIONS.

THAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT.

AND WHEN WE FINALLY APPROVED THAT, WE DECIDED THAT WE COULD JUST DO WAGES.

RIGHT.

BUT IN CONVERSATION WITH EVERGREEN, THEY SAID THAT THAT THEY CAN DO THAT JUST WAGES, BUT IT'S THE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PARTICULARLY MEANINGFUL.

RIGHT.

SO, UH, THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE ADD THAT BACK IN SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE WHOLE PROJECT COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

YOU WERE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

I THINK THEY THAT, WELL, I AGREED WITH THE MOTHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY EXPLAINED THE REASONING BEHIND IT AND IT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE.

UM, SO IT WILL HELP IN THE LONG RUN.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

WHAT DOES THIS MAKE? THE TOTAL COST GOES TO THIRD? DO YOU REMEMBER THEM GOES TO 32,000? IS THERE A WAY WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL AMOUNT OF THE JOB RECLASSIFICATION? DO YOU, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW 38 38? OKAY.

YEP.

AND THE AMENDMENTS ARE IN RED, THE ADDITIONAL, DOES THAT, AM I CORRECT IN LOOKING AT THAT? IS IT IN RED? I DON'T WANT TO PASS OUR DETAILED WORK PLAN RESPONSE.

SO THAT THERE'S A, THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S IT BASICALLY ADDS TO THE CLASSIFICATION OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU PUT THE SALARIES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CLASSIFICATION SOMETIME BAROMETER, RIGHT.

TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.

SO I MEAN $10,000, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.

SO I'M LIKE, MAN, THE COMPASS WITH NO, NO, NO NORTH POLE ON IT, YOU KNOW? SO YOU GOTTA HAVE A DIRECT ANALOGY.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND, AND WHEN, WHEN WILL THIS THING KICK OFF AND BE FUN? LIKE, OOH, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

I THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE READY TO GET UNDERWAY, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.

DO YOU REMEMBER BRITTANY? I DO NOT.

I'M SORRY.

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NO, I DON'T.

AND DON'T ASK ME, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON OUR EMPLOYEES TO FEED IN THE INFORMATION.

AND SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON OUR SCHEDULING TO GO WITH IT AND I DON'T LOOK FOR IT TO HAPPEN FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GET THE TOTAL, IT WILL BE AFTER WE, WE FOR SURE WILL BE AFTER , WON'T BE WASTING TIME.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT.

AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE ON US TO, TO, TO KEEP AMENDING IT AND KEEP THE, KEEP IT GOING.

IF, IF THE CLASSIFICATIONS AND STUFF TO WORK WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP ADDING INTO THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE COOL THING ABOUT IT IS IT WILL BE OUR PROGRAM AND THE COST WE'LL MEET ALONE.

IF WE CAN KEEP IT UP THAT WAY, WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT OR NOT DOWN THE ROAD AND SEE IF THE CLASSIFICATIONS, BUT THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE IF IT WERE A LOT CLOSER IN LAND THAN WHAT WE THINK.

I MEAN, HE JUST GLANCING, IT STARTED BAWLING, YOU KNOW? SO I BE SHOCKED.

BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THE SCIENCE, IF YOU WILL, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST WHATEVER WE ANECDOTALLY THINKING IT TALKED ABOUT.

AND THERE'S ALSO SOME, UH, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT THIS WOULD PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION YOU WERE IN THERE.

I THINK KAREN IT'D BE, IT'LL PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION.

SHOULD WE BE AUDITED? UH IT'S TOO.

PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

AND THEN WE PROBABLY NEED SOME ALIGNMENT ON SOME OF THAT STUFF.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN OUR JOB.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR 10 YEARS AND IT'S NOT THE SAME JOB.

IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE AMENDING THAT AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED I'LL MAKE SENSE.

MOTION, BOY, WE HAD THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER CASE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES ITEM 21.

AGAIN,

[21. Mary Westbrook; Discuss/Consider/Approve extension of Wellness Day deadline and Vacation Time losses and future usage.]

WE'RE LET BRITTANY HELP US WITH THIS.

AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER APPROVE EXTENSION OF WELLNESS DAY DEADLINE AND VACATION TIME LOSSES AND FUTURE USES.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT, BRITTANY? UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WELLNESS DAY, EXTENSION EVALUATION, UM, PAPERWORK IT'LL SHOW THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND PRIOR TO COVID, YOU'LL SEE.

UM, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T COMPLETE THE PROGRAM.

UM, AND THEN AS OF SIX, 1820, WE RAN THE NUMBERS AND WE, WE HAVE A LOT THAT STILL NEED TO COMPLETE IT.

UM, SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST ASKING MAYBE EVEN FOR AN EXTENSION OR IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE IT, YOU'RE ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO PAY THE $25 SURCHARGE.

SO JUST DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I FEEL LIKE NO, WE, WE THINK AND EXTENSION, OR MAYBE POSSIBLY WAVING WHATEVER, UM, FEEL.

BUT WHEN I SUGGESTED TO HER TO BRING THIS LINE UP TO US, SO WE CAN APPROVE THAT, DO NOT KNOCK OUT THE $25 PENALTY FOR NOT GOING TO WELLNESS.

WE DO PAY THEM A DAY TO GO DWELL.

AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH INCENTIVE.

I DON'T THINK NEEDED TO BE PUNISHED.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PERIOD, I DIDN'T, I DON'T LIKE THE $2,500 DEDUCTION AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD INSURANCE LOWER THAN OUR PREMIUM, AND THEN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LACROSSE, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ATTACK.

THAT'S JUST OUR LITTLE POLICY IN THE $25 I ASKED FOR WHERE IT GOES AND WHAT DO WE USE IT ON? I NEVER REALLY COULD TRACK THE MONEY.

VERY GOOD.

I KIND OF SPOKE OUT BETTER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TRYING TO GET IT RAISED.

I JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S A MAD THING.

AND IN THIS TIME AT ALL THIS YEAR, WE SHOULDN'T DO IT AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE FOR ANYTHING AND THE LISTENER REALLY SAFE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WE EVER COLLECTED ON THIS 20.

I DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

YOU MIGHT'VE ASKED THE OWNER OF, SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, I PROBABLY FOUND OUT, I'M ASSUMING WE GOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT 2019, WE HAD 64 EMPLOYEES THAT DIDN'T DO WELLNESS.

I ASSUME THEY'RE BEING PAID $25 A MONTH.

WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? UH, I SORT OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT ONLY, THAT'S NOT REALLY SPECIFICALLY OUR AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THAT, BUT I THINK SCOTT'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD POINT.

REALLY.

I DON'T, IF YOU'RE GETTING SOMEBODY A DAY OFF TO GO GET A WELLNESS CHECK AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, UH, SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.

THEN YOU DON'T GIVE THEM A DAY OFF.

I MEAN, YEAH.

I MEAN,

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YOU KNOW, THE SAD THING WAS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM AND KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT THEY WOULD BRING THE THING HERE AND DO A PHYSICAL FABLE, COULD ACTUALLY GET IT HERE, THE PHYSICAL, THEY DID THE BLOOD AND IT WAS THAT.

AND THEN THEY GOT A WELLNESS DAY AND THEY DIDN'T THE FISCAL WHILE THEY WERE ON TIME.

THEN THEY GOT A VACATION DAY.

SO, I MEAN, IF YOU DO THAT, I MEAN, IF OFFENDED ENCOURAGED SOMEBODY THAT CAN KEEP UP THERE, THEN I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW PUNISHING IS GOING TO WORK EITHER.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK VERY WELL.

WE HAVE 64 PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS YEAR AT ALL, WE DO NEED TO DEFINITELY A HUNDRED PERCENT NOT CHARGING ANYBODY BECAUSE I'M LIKE THEM.

THEY BETTER FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ME IN AND GET MY BLOOD TESTS WHILE I'M WAITING FROM THE CAR OR SOMETHING.

SO IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THIS MOTION SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE THIS THIS YEAR? UH, IT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AN EXTENSION OF THE WELLNESS STATE DEADLINE.

IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE EXTENSION TO WIN, UM, IN THE AGENDA.

SO WE COULD THAT'S OPEN.

WE COULD MAKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEN WE CAN REMOVE JUST TO THIS, BUT I THINK SHE NEEDS TO BRING IT BACK AND PUT IT BACK ON THE COURT FOR THE, THIS SPECIFIC REASON OF MAYBE DOING AWAY WITH A $25 FINE FOR NOT PERIOD.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE VACATION TIME ISSUE, WHICH IS IN THE SAME ITEM.

UH, CORRECT.

AND TH THE ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNABLE OR THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ANY KIND OF VACATION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO ANYWHERE RIGHT.

UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.

STAYCATION.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ALL OF US HAVE CHICKENS DEAD TO KEEP US BUSY AT HOME.

SO, UH, OKAY.

AND WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AS WRITTEN WITH A ADDED PROVISION THAT THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES BE DIRECTED TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COURT WITH A, A, UH, EXPLANATION AND PROPOSAL RELATED TO ELIMINATING THE $25 PENALTY.

UM, YES.

UH, SO MOVED.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CAGE, BUT CAN WE AMEND THAT MOMENT, THAT MOTION TO PUT A DATE A DAY, HOW LONG WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT TO YES.

WHY DON'T WE EXTEND IT TO THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, PERFECT.

OKAY.

FOR ME.

SO WE'LL EXTEND THAT.

AND THAT WOULD BE FOR BOTH THE WELLNESS DAY AND THE VACATION TIME.

WE'LL EXTEND THOSE DEADLINES, THOSE TIME PERIODS UNTIL DECEMBER 3RD.

OKAY.

THAT'S THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER.

KATE'S THE SECOND THING.

COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

WELL, I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK ON THE VACATION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK INTO IT CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST STORE IT FOREVER.

WE GET OURSELVES IN A JAM ON THE VACATION FROM JULY TO OCTOBER, THE POTENTIAL LOSS IS 158 EMPLOYEES THAT WE'LL BE LOSING TIME.

AND THEN WITH EACH OF THOSE, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE LET THEM KEEP IT AND THEY COULD EARN BETWEEN 80 AND 160 MORE HOURS.

SO THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I COULD PUT SOME HARDSHIP ON SOME DEPARTMENTS, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN BURNS NEEDS FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS OFF.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE KINDA HEAVY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL I THINK WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN COME BACK WITH ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM IF WE WANT TO SHORTEN THAT TIME PERIOD.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A MOTION THAT WE'VE AMENDED TO GO TO DECEMBER 31ST ON BOTH OF THOSE ON THE WELLNESS STANDARD, THE VACATION LOSSES IN A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

I'M SORRY.

[22. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider approving the 2020-2021 Annual Road Report for Road & Bridge Pct. 1]

UH, NEXT UP COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE 20, 21 ANNUAL ROAD REPORT FOR ROAD BRIDGE ONE.

MR. PHILLIPS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, MY MAN SEES ON ME IS JUST THE ANNUAL REPORT WE HAVE TO DO ANNUALLY AND WE'VE TURNED IT IN SO WE CAN GET IT BEFORE THE GRAND JURY QUESTIONS.

NOPE.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM 22? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

UH, WE APPROVE ANNUAL REPORT.

OKAY.

WE HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER OUT TO APPROVE THE PRECINCT ONE, UH, ANNUAL REPORT.

AND THE SECOND IS FROM THE SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION

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CARRIES.

ITEM 23,

[23. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider accepting work site releases for Highland Acres and CR 131B in Kaufman County Pct. 1]

COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING WORK SITE RELEASE FOR HIGHLAND ACRES COUNTY ROAD 13, 18.

OH, THESE ARE JUST SOME WORK SITE RELEASES THAT WE NEED TO DO TO, UH, WELL, AS A RESULT OF WORKING ON THE ROADS TOO, SHE HAD THE WATER.

SO EDDIE HAD SOME RELEASES TO GO THROUGH SOME PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES AND STUFF TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE ROADS BUILT QUESTIONS.

FEDERAL QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE WORK SIGN RELEASES FOR HOLIDAY MAKERS AND KEN ROAD ONE 31 B.

SO WE HAD A MOTION FOR ACCEPTANCE FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES ITEM 24,

[24. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider approving budget procedures for full transparency.]

COMMISSIONER HUNT DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING BUDGET PROCEDURES FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, GETTING STARTED ON THE BUDGET STUFF.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE DIRECTORS AND OURSELVES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT ALL CHANGES THAT WE MAKE.

WE HAVE THIS, HOPEFULLY WE CAN'T CALL IT A CLOSE TO THIS YEAR, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO GET TOGETHER AND WE MAKE CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE PRESENTED THE NAME BY THE NEXT DAY TO EVERYBODY AND THAT THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED OR YELLOW OR RED OR WHATEVER.

SO THOSE CHANGES ARE IN THERE SO EVERYBODY CAN PICK UP THE CHANGES EASILY.

SO WHEN, WHEN WERE THESE CHANGES, ONE OF THE CHANGES BEING MADE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IF WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN HERE AND SAY, Y'ALL PRESENT A BUDGET AND MORE OF THE GENERAL SIDE OF THE FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE AND Y'ALL HAVE EVEN CHANGED FROM WHAT THE FIRE MARSHALL HAS SENT IN TO Y'ALL AND THEN Y'ALL DECIDED TO MAKE A CHANGE, THEN HE'S BE HIGHLIGHTED.

SO HE KNOWS THAT THAT CHANGE WAS MADE IN YOUR OFFICE OR SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.

AND THEN IF WE COMES TO US AND WE MAKE A CHANGE, THEN THEY NEED TO ALSO KNOW, AND WE ALL NEED TO KNOW, AND EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO KNOW TOO.

SO ANY KIND OF CHANGES IN THE BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBERS, NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED OR DOCUMENTED.

OKAY.

YOU'RE SAYING CHANGES IN PROPOSED BUDGETS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL WE KNOW WHEN CHANGE, THE NUMBERS WOULD COME IN HERE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND THAT.

WE CAN TALK AS A COHORT IS PRESENTED TO US.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND IT.

BUT AS A COURT, WE DECIDE TO FUND IT.

THOSE CHANGES NEED TO BE BIOPSIED.

OR IF THEY ASK FOR IT TO BE FUNDED AND THIS PRESENTED TO US NOT BEING FUNDED AND WE CHOSE TO FUND IT, THEN THE CHANGES NEED TO BE SHOWN AT EACH DIFFERENT.

WE TALKING ABOUT TRACKING CHANGE, IT'S CHECKING CHANGES.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE, EVERYBODY READY DOCUMENT CHANGES TO THE BUDGET.

YOU HAVE ITS ACTUAL BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HIGHLIGHTED AND STUFF.

UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT REALLY, THEY ARE.

AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SENT TO US AND THESE ARE CHANGES, BUT JUST GO IN AND HIGHLIGHT THEM.

SO THEY STAND OUT.

SO THEY'RE EASIER TO PICK UP.

SO WE WON'T GET SURPRISED IS ALL I'M ASKING.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT OUR PROCESS TRACKS CHANGES THROUGHOUT FROM BEGINNING TO END OF THE BUDGET.

YES.

YES.

OKAY.

SO THAT WHAT WE DON'T GET ON THE SAME PAGE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BECAUSE THAT WAY, I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE ATTRACT CHANGE FUNCTION IN THE, IN THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

YEAH.

IT'LL, IT'LL PUT LITTLE, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT SO PUT A LITTLE WINDOWS UP THERE AND UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT YOU CAN HIDE THEM OR SHOW HIM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL SHOW MAYBE THAT WOULD CALM ME AND ALL THAT.

YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS.

I MEAN, I SET UP SO THAT IT HAS TRACK CHANGE.

LET'S USE IT.

YEAH.

IT'S LIKE A, YOU'VE SEEN THE CHANGES ON A BLACK, ONE LEGAL ON A WORD DOCUMENT, BUT A DOCUMENTED MEMO OFF THE SIDE.

THE XCEL DOES THAT TOO, SO.

OKAY.

UH, SO WHAT DO WE, UH, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COURT, UH, F A PROCEDURE FOR ENSURING FULL TRANSPARENCY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, BY HAVING EACH VERSION OF THE BUDGET NEXT DAY SENT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THEN PUBLISH ON THOSE KINDS OF WEBSITE WITH THE CHANGES.

OKAY.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBER DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES,

[25. Commissioner Hunt; Discuss/Consider need for workshop to discuss Strategic Budget Planning for Road and Bridge.]

UH, COMMISSIONER HAUNT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER NEED FOR WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS STRATEGIC BUDGET PLANNING FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE.

YES.

WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE STRATEGIC BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS THAT WITH TEAKS AND THEN DR.

MIGUEL, AND I FORGOT WHAT THE OTHER LADY'S NAME IS, BUT, UH, UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE DYNAMICS GOING TO BE IN EACH OF OUR PRECINCTS, AFTER THE REALIGNMENT, THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO GET AN ADEQUATE, A PICTURE OF WHAT OUR LONG RANGE GOALS WILL BE FOR OUR NEW PRECINCT OR TO BE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY BIG CONCERN THERE,

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BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, I THINK THAT ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS IF WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A WORKSHOP BECAUSE IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT COMMISSIONER CATES IS GOING TO INHERIT SOME OF MY PRECINCT OR COMMISSIONER BARBER, I'M PROBABLY IN HARRISON.

SKEETS, IF IT'S JUST MYSELF AND KEN DOING THIS, THEN WE'RE REALLY MISSING THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE NEEDS OF THESE OTHER TWO PEOPLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND IS THE INCONVENIENCE FOR ALL OF US, ALL OF US TO GET TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT WE EACH KNOW OUR PRECINCTS AND MAJOR THINGS NOW.

I MEAN, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M GOING TO INHERIT.

I MEAN, RELATIVELY HAVE OURS MANAGEABLE NOW.

AND THEN AS THE DYNAMICS, CHANGING THE ROADS CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE, DON'T THE WAY I'M GOING TO REALLY KNOW WHAT I'M INHERITING IS.

GET EDUCATED FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HEAD BEFORE ME, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEEDS AND STUFF.

SO WHAT'S THAT.

SO HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING OR THINKING.

UH, IF YOU ADD UP, IF YOU ADD UP THE, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH WHAT WE'RE SPENDING NOW.

IF HE ADDED WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, IF YOU JUST ADD THAT UP, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO DIVIDE IT UP IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR, BECAUSE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRECINCTS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO WE JUST DEAL WITH ONE LUMP SUM NUMBER FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE.

UH, PETER SAID, MIGUEL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS AND HE SAID, YOU CAN'T LEAVE.

CAUSE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DIVIDE IT, THE PRECINCTS.

AND HE SAID, YOU CAN'T LEAVE ROAD AND BRIDGE OUT OF THIS LONGTERM BUDGET.

CAUSE IT'S TOO BIG OF A PART OF YOUR BUDGET.

SO YOU TALKED TO HIM.

YEAH.

WELL, I TALKED TO HIM TOO, AND HE SAID, YOU SENT HIM AN EMAIL AND ASKED HIM A QUESTION.

SO, BUT I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, I TALKED TO HIM, I EMAILED HIM.

I DIDN'T TALK TO HIM ABOUT, OKAY.

YEAH.

SO, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY DID TALK TO HIM.

WE HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION AND HE SEEMED OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT ALL FOUR OF US GET TOGETHER WHERE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.

AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT THERE AT THE END OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE ONE OR TWO OF US GETTING TOGETHER AND DO JUSTICE TO SEEING WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE WE SHOULD, WE TRY TO WAIT UNTIL THE VET TEAM COMES HERE PHYSICALLY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL DAY PROBABLY.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.

I JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COURT IS GOING TO BE AN INCONVENIENCE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS.

ALTHOUGH STILL MY OVERRIDE PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A GOOD JOB UNTIL WE INHERIT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO INHERIT.

AND WE SEE WHAT OUR PROBLEMS ARE, WHICH TAKES TIME IN YEAR TWO OR YEAR THREE, WHEN WE GET PAST THAT.

YEAH.

WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE PRECINCT LINES ARE.

AND SO THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN WILL BE BY PRECINCT INSTEAD OF CAUSE I MEAN, THE ROADS ARE GONNA CHANGE.

I MEAN, WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, I MEAN, WE'RE BLESSED RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE BLESSED RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME BOND MONEY, YOU KNOW, THE VALUES ARE GOING UP.

WE HAVE MORE MONEY TO INVEST IN OUR ROADS.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF DEDICATED PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS.

SO A LOT'S GOING TO CHANGE BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, ONCE WE GET THE BASICS DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN.

SO I THINK THAT PORTION OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, WE JUST NEED TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT.

UH, I'LL TRY TO SEE IF THEY CAN, IF WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT WHEN THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING ALLOWED TO TRAVEL.

Y'ALL KNOW THAT.

YES.

SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE WILLING TO GIVE US MATT NOT MEET WEEK AFTER NEXT.

I'M NOT NUMBERS CAN CANCEL.

PEOPLE NEED TO GET THEM UP HERE NEXT WEEK.

A JUDGE.

LET ME JUST ADD THAT, THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HUNT, BUT UH, THIS WORKSHOP, I WOULD ALSO LIKE IT, UH, LIKE TO SEE IT INCLUDE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING BEYOND JUST BUDGETING ALSO INCLUDING OPERATIONS, BECAUSE AS THE PRECINCTS CHANGE, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR OPERATIONAL FOOTPRINTS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE MANPOWER ALLOCATION.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE EQUIPMENT, UH, RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS CONCEIVABLY.

SO, UM, WELL I THINK THAT'S ALL PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST MONETARY.

YEAH.

IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE THE BUDGET IS, AND WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, HOW ARE WE GONNA UTILIZE WHILE WE'VE GOT AND HOW IT TRANSFORMS? I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT.

SO THIS STRATEGIC PLAN IS GOING TO GENERATE NUMBERS.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO, THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO COME FROM.

OKAY.

I'LL TRY TO SEE IF THEY CAN DO IT IN PERSON WITH US.

UH, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY CAN DO THAT, BUT I THINK THERE'LL BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN DO THAT.

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YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE DOING THIS ON ZOOM AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A TREMENDOUS INCONVENIENCE FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF ROSEVILLE TO SEASON, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR YOUR WORDS THOUGH.

BUT I JUST THINK IT'S NICE FOR US TO GET IN THE SAME ROOM, ALL FOUR OF US.

AND WE LOOK AT WELL WHAT WE NEED TO DO DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, OKAY.

SO THAT ITEM IS, UH, YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING THERE'S NO W THERE'S NO REAL ACTION.

I DON'T THINK TO TAKE ON THAT DEAL WITH THE OFFICE DOWN THERE TO TRY TO SET UP A WORK WORD DAY, RIGHT.

WITH ANABEL.

YEP.

SO THAT'LL WORK.

SO WE'LL JUST TRY TO SET IT AS A MEETING, A WORKSHOP MEETING.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO, AND THERE WILL BE ACTION ON THAT ITEM, BUT, UH, THAT GETS US TO 26, MR.

[26. Commissioner Phillips; Discuss/Consider approving the 2020-2021 Annual Road Report for Road & Bridge Pct. 2.]

PHILLIPS DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING HIS 20, 21 ANNUAL ROAD REPORT.

SAME THING, DANIEL RAY ROAD REPORT.

OKAY.

YOU GOT A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MY ANNUAL REPORT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS OR PROVE HIS ANNUAL ROAD REPORT.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT, UH, ABOUT ALL OF OUR PRECINCT ROAD REPORTS, UM, W OURS WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY TO TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT THESE ROAD REPORTS, PARTICULARLY AT THE AMOUNT OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS NEEDED TO ACTUALLY BRING OUR ROADS TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

I, I, I JUST FEEL THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL BE, WILL BE SHOCKED AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE ACTUALLY REALLY NEED TO SPEND ON OUR COUNTY ROADS.

AND EVEN WITH OUR BOND MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT OF THAT.

SO 16 AND A HALF MILLION, RIGHT.

SO IT'S NOT THE BEST ROADS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE, BUT THAT'S JUST RIGHT.

A D SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THESE ROAD REPORTS NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE A LOT OF SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT EACH, EACH ROAD IN THIS COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD THAT YOU LIVE ON.

AND I THINK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WILL AGREE IN MY SHORT TIME, I'VE LEARNED THAT NOTHING'S MORE IMPORTANT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE THAN THE ROAD YOU LIVE ON.

UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE, UH, REPORTS CLEARLY EMPIRICALLY TELLS THE RESIDENTS OF COFFIN COUNTY, HOW MUCH ROAD WORK, HOW MUCH FUNDING IS NEEDED VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE.

SO, UM, WELL, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, UH, HOW THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED THAT ROAD TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT ONE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY IT COSTS TO KEEP IT UP.

AND THEN THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FIX IT.

AND THEN THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE INCONVENIENCE THAT WHEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROAD, THAT WE ARE GOING TO COME AND FIX IT.

AND WHEN WE DO START FIXING IT, THEY'RE UPSET BECAUSE WE'RE FIXING IT.

SO YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO ENJOY YOUR ROAD.

AND IF YOU HAVE A GOOD ROAD, YOU REALLY NEED TO ENJOY IT, MAYBE BECAUSE, UM, IT IS VERY HARD TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND INCLUDING US, NOBODY LIKES A ROAD TORE UP AND NOBODY LIKES A BAD ROAD.

SO I AGREE WITH HIM.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE ROAD, REPORT'S ALL ABOUT.

IT'S ABOUT SAYING WHAT WE NEED IN MY CASE.

IT EVEN TALKS ABOUT WINDING ROADS BECAUSE I'M NEEDING MORE LANES THAN I USED TO NEED THAT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LANES ON MY ROAD TO MOVE TRAFFIC THE WAY WE DO.

I HAVE ONE ROAD THAT I DID.

I JUST DID A CALENDAR.

AND IN A WEEK'S TIME, WE'RE AT 27,000 CARS RUN UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD NOW.

AND IN SCHOOLS OUT THERE, WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING TRAFFIC.

THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE MOVING HERE.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, UH, I ENJOY HIM OR MONEY, BUT, UH, UH, WHEN WE SLOWED DOWN THE PACE A LITTLE BIT, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP.

IT REALLY IS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK TO DO.

SO DID WE EVER TAKE A VOTE ON I'VE LOST TRACK? I MADE A MOTION AND I THINK TERRY HAVE A MOTION.

THERE ANY BEAT? IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES COMMISSIONER BARBER

[27. Commissioner Barber; Discuss/Consider approving Road & Bridge budget allocation.]

DISCUSSED, CONSIDER APPROVING ROAD IN BRIDGET BUDGET ALLOCATION.

A GREAT SEGUE INTO THIS HERE.

UH, BASICALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO AHEAD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST AGREE ON THIS AND PUT IT INTO ACTION LAST YEAR.

A COUPLE OF THINGS WE, UH, WORKED OUT AND AGREED TO I PERCENTAGE OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO ALLOCATE FUNDS, UH, BASED ON OUR ROAD

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MILES.

AND IT SEEMED TO WORK OUT PRETTY GOOD.

THE ONLY CAVEAT WE HAD IN THERE WAS BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, SKATES PRECINCT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF ROADS HE HAS OVER THERE VERSUS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHERS, UH, HAVE, UH, BEING PAVEMENT AND CONCRETE AS MAINTENANCE WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OUR MAINTENANCE WAS.

SO WE ADDED SOME MONEY IN TO HELP WITH THAT.

I HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS SKATING, HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, OR ANYTHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STICK WITH THAT PROGRAM GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE IN AN EFFORT TO HELP WITH THE TAX, UH, INCREASES LAST YEAR, UH, WE GAVE UP A PENNY, UH, OF OUR MONEY, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE MONEY THAT IN THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY, UM, GAINED A PENNY THE YEAR BEFORE, AND WE GAVE IT UP LAST YEAR TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT.

UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO NOT GIVE UP ANYTHING THIS NEXT TIME AROUND AND EVEN TRY TO GET OUR PENNY BACK CAUSE WE NEED IT AS WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.

I MEAN, WE NEED THE MONEY TO WORK ON THE ROADS, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT I GET, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL DO TOO, IS THE ROADS.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE UPSET WITH US LAST YEAR WHEN WE GAVE UP THAT PENNY, UH, TO, TO TRY AND I MEAN, THEY APPRECIATED THE HELP ON THE TAX END OF IT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS SAVING EVEN MORE MONEY FROZEN.

YOU TOOK MONEY AWAY FROM US.

SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO, UH, TO LOOK AT NOT DOING THAT AT ALL THIS YEAR.

AND MY BASIC NOTION IS THAT A MOVE THE COURT TO ADOPT THE FORMULA FOR PERCENTAGES AS AGREED TO LAST YEAR WITH THE, UH, TAX REVENUES MAINTENANCE AND ANY ACCUMULATED CONTINGENCIES AND AGREE NOT TO DECREASE THE TAX RATE FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND.

YES, MA'AM, I'M GOING TO PUT OUR ARGUMENT UP HERE ABOUT, UH, SETTING ANY TAX RATE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THAT HAS TO BE DONE ALL AT THE SAME TIME NOW.

AND I'M JUST TALKING, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

ANYBODY WANT TO TELL ME IF WE CAN AGREE IN PRINCIPLE TO MAINTAIN IT, MAINTAIN IT, BUT EVERYBODY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, IF WE LEAVE OUR TAX RATE, OUR TOTAL TAX RATE, THE SAME, UH, OUR, OUR OWN M AND R R AND B, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT ABOUT 11% GAIN IN REVENUE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE.

YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S THIS ARGUMENT IS WHETHER OUR CAP IS 8% OR IS IT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT IS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT WE'RE IN TROUBLE.

WELL, BUT, BUT EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S 8%, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE AT 11% WITH THE REVENUES THAT WE'RE PROJECTING.

SO, UH, YEAH, PRETTY EASY FROM A, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH ON THREE MAN.

WELL, UH, I DON'T THINK IT IS THREE AND A HALF, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW WHO WHO'S GOING TO FINALLY SETTLE THAT ARGUMENT UNLESS THE, I MEAN, THE GOVERNOR MAY SETTLE IT BECAUSE HE MAY CHANGE HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER.

I MEAN HIS DISASTER DECLARATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I WISH WE COULD FOCUS ON IS SET A TAX RATE THAT WE COULD FOCUS ON TAX DOLLARS.

HIS TAKE IS, AS Y'ALL GO THROUGH YOUR BUDGET IS HOW MANY, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF DOLLARS? SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SAY THAT TOO IS EXPAND ON THAT IS BEFORE I DO MY BUDGET, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY REVENUES ARE.

RIGHT.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY SPLIT IS OUT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROJECTED REVENUES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT AN EARLY NUMBERS.

WE DO GET THE NUMBERS, DIVIDE THE PERCENTAGE.

IT'S LIKE PRECINCT FOUR.

THIS IS YOUR REVENUES.

THREE, TWO, ONE.

THESE ARE YOUR REVENUES.

I SIT IN MY BUDGET ON THE REVENUES, JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING WITH THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THAT WAY I CAN MAXIMIZE MY DOLLARS, THE REVENUE TO DO MORE ROADS OR WHATEVER, INSTEAD OF ME JUST GOING UP AND SAYING, WELL, I WANT TO GO UP 3% OR 2%.

IF I'VE GOT THE REVENUE, THEN I'LL DO MORE ROADS.

BUT GUESSING WHETHER I HAVE IT OR NOT, OR HOW MUCH AM I GOING TO GO OVER BUDGET? IT'S NOT RIGHT.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T DO THAT.

I DON'T DO THAT WITH, WITH MY OWN HOME BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO KNOW MY RAVEN USING, SEE, THIS IS THE MONEY THAT I'VE GOT A LOT TO ME FOR MY ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET, BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY BUDGETS JUST LIKE YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

AND THEN WE SUBMIT THE NUMBERS TO YOU TO, TO PUBLISH THE WHOLE BUDGET.

BUT I JUST NEED, I WANT TO KNOW MY REVENUE SO I CAN MAXIMIZE WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY TAX REVENUE.

WE CAN COME UP WITH SRA REVENUES.

I JUST WANTED, I DON'T, AS LONG AS IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING A TAX RATE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, AND WE, AND WE NEED RECOGNIZE

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THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE, UH, BE AT 8% OR THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TAKEN THAT EXTRA REALLY OUT OF RODEN BRIDGE AND INS OR DEAD OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT EQUITABLY BECAUSE NOW THE INS RATE, WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT.

THERE'S NOT EVEN DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOCKED INTO THAT, BUT MMM.

BUT THE MORE, THE MORE YOU PUT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE, THE LESS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN, IN O AND M M AND OH, I'M SORRY.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SQUEEZING, CAUSE WE'VE GOT LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MNO TAX, BUT HER MONEY RIGHT NOW.

SO WE CAN COME UP WITH A, WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROJECTED, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATE ON REVENUE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, BUT WE, MY REVENUES.

AND THEN OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE TAX RATE AND BOTH TAX RATES.

I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON WAITING.

IF WE COULD GET DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING Y'ALL WE, WE GOTTA HAVE READY TO HAVE Y'ALL AT LEAST SOME START A BUDGET NUMBERS.

IF YOU GIVE ME MY REVENUES AND I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU MY BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT MONEY I CAN ACTUALLY SPEND ON ROADS AND SCRIBBLE.

I THINK WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE CAN DO PERCENT COST OF LIVING OR INCREASE IN FUEL TYPE STUFF, MAJOR STUFF.

I MEAN, I WANT TO KNOW MY REVENUES THAT I'M GOING TO BE GETTING IN TAX DOLLARS SO I CAN DO MY BUDGET AND THEN I'LL SUBMIT IT TO YOU.

WE CAN THROW DOWN A REVENUE NUMBER FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE, BUT IT JUST SKIPPED THIS POINT.

JUST GOING TO BE A NUMBER WHEN I'M PUTTING MY NOTE, JUST LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING IN YOUR BUDGET TO THE NUMBERS YOU'VE GOTTEN.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT REVENUES.

ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING EXPENDITURES FROM DEPARTMENTS.

THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE, BUT MY EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO TRY TO BE IN LINE WITH MY REVENUES.

YEAH.

I MEAN, CAUSE I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO AS MANY ROADS AS I CAN.

YEAH.

SO, UM, YEAH.

WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, OR AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BACK TO THIS ORIGINAL, UH, AGENDA ITEM.

I'M STILL NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR ON HOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE SALARY INCREASES THAT WE DID ARE GONNA IMPACT OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE PRUDENT TO, TO DURING THE PROPOSED, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING, PERHAPS THAT MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE ROLL THIS INTO THAT, THAT WORKSHOP AND, AND BY THEN PERHAPS HAVE SOME PROJECTED REVENUES, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT, BUT ALSO HAVE SOME PROJECTED UPDATED PROJECTED COSTS, PARTICULARLY FOR SALARIES BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A BIG NUMBER THAT CHANGED.

YEAH.

BECAUSE LAST YEAR AND Y'ALL CAN DEVELOP A LOT OF THOSE THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOUR, YOUR NUMBERS BE THE SALARY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THOSE COSTS ARE, YOU CAN PROJECT.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, YEAH, THOSE ARE FIXED COSTS, EXACTLY MATERIALS AND STUFF IS THE FLEXIBLE NUMBER.

BUT , I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND THEN NOT HAVE THE REVENUES TO POLICE.

WE SUBMITTED A, AN INITIAL BUDGET PROJECTION TO YOUR OFFICE JUDGE, BUT, BUT THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT FROM THE, UH, ADMINISTRATOR WERE TO, TO, UH, NOT ADDRESS SALARY.

SO I DID NOT ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN THAT INITIAL PROJECTION THAT WE'VE, THAT WE TURNED IN.

SO, BUT I, I THINK IT, IT CERTAINLY HAS TO BE CONSIDERED A, YOU KNOW, IN THE OVERALL, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SALARY.

I MEAN, THE, IN THE OVERALL SCHEME RIGID AND BUSY PART, YOU KNOW, THE EASY PARTS ARE THE OFFICE SUPPLIES AND THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE EASY AND TO GET THOSE THINGS KIND OF SET, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR IN TERMS OF SALARY HE'S TALKING ABOUT IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

SO, BUT FOUR HOURS KIND OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE MIXING UP ROAD AND BRIDGE WAS THE GENERAL FUND I WROTE IN BRIDGE IS A SEPARATE TAX.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND WE WERE FUNDED AND THEN WE SPLIT IT THE WAY WE DECIDED TO SPLIT IT.

AND WE SET OUR BUDGETS TO OUR REVENUES AND IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GENERAL BUDGET AS FAR AS THOSE TYPES OF SALARIES AND STUFF.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE MY REVENUE SO I CAN ADJUST MY BUDGET AND SUBMIT A BUDGET.

THAT ADDRESS.

IT WAS MY REVENUES.

OKAY.

THE REVENUES WILL BE UP.

I MEAN, IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW THAT'S ALL, HOW IT IS GOING WITH THE SPLIT.

IF WE MAINTAIN THE SAME SORT OF LIT AND WE DON'T MESS WITH CONTINGENCIES, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE FINE.

I MEAN, JUST THE WAY THINGS HAPPENED THIS LAST

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TIME AROUND REALLY THREW A WRENCH INTO SOME THINGS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU IN IT, IT, IT CHANGED.

I MEAN, IT CHANGED SO MUCH THAT, UH, I MEAN IT TOOK A LOT TO FIGURE THINGS OUT AFTER A LITTLE WHILE WERE MY FIRST TWO YEARS THERE, IT RAN PRETTY DARN SMOOTH LABOR OR NOT.

BUT, UH, I THINK IF WE STICK TO WHAT WE, WE ENDED UP DOING LAST YEAR, UH, THAT'D BE, IT'D BE MUCH EASIER FOR US TO GET THINGS PUT TOGETHER AND TO WORK WITH WHAT WE FIND OUT WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, THE, THE REVENUES ARE CONCERNED.

SO, UH, BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M LIKE WITH CANADA, THE DISCUSSION PART OF IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME, UH, REALLY STRATEGIC PLANNING, UH, WITH THIS AS A GROUP IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT YOU'RE MAKING, UH, JUDGES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS A COLLECTIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE PERCENTAGES WE WORK WITH, BUT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THAT COLLECTIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND FAIR.

WHAT'S THE BEST FOR US TO DO WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE, WE DID HARM OUR LAST YEAR.

SKI DIDN'T NEED A LITTLE MORE MONEY BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION OVER THERE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF US.

YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE CAME UP WITH THIS PERCENTAGE THING AND I THINK IT WORKED OUT, I MEAN, HE WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME MORE CHALLENGES THIS YEAR WE HAVE LOOK AT.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST IF WE, IF WE REALLY SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT AS A GROUP, INSTEAD OF JUST, JUST OUR REGULAR SESSIONS THAT WE DO ON THE BUDGET, WE NEED TO REALLY WORK HARD ON THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET AS A GROUP.

I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE DO THAT.

I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE MY BIGGEST SALE WAS TO DEVELOPERS THIS YEAR.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I HAD ONE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

ONLY UP A MILLION DOLLARS AND I'M WORKING ON HIS ROAD.

RIGHT.

I MEAN IT'S COUNTY ROAD, BUT I'M WORKING ON THAT ROAD DOWN THERE TO WIDEN IT.

I MEAN, AND IN THE PROBLEM, MAN, YOU KNOW, IF I, I JUST WENT FULL GUNS AND FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, I'D BE BROKE BY IN THE NEXT MONTH.

YEAH.

I MEAN EASY.

I MEAN, I GUESS EVERYBODY ELSE WOULDN'T BE TOO.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE MOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE DO, I MEAN IT, WELL, NOTHING, EVERYBODY WRITES ABOUT IT.

IT, IT JUST, IT IS WHAT THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.

I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IF SOMEBODY ENDS UP IN MY ROAD, LIKE IF HE ENDS UP WITH ONE OF MY BIG ROADS, AMTRAK, HE'S GOING TO FACE THE SAME TRAFFIC.

AND I'M HOPING THAT THE MAMA LAKES AND MATCH RIGHT NOW, HIM TRAPPED, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER YET BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH DEVELOPERS AND WE'RE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT SOME OF THESE ROADS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY BE ADDRESSED AND THEY'RE NOT CHEAP ROADS.

THIS IT'S COMING.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNTY IS BECOMING URBAN INSTEAD OF RULE.

AND I MEAN, THE SHERIFF KNOWS THAT.

I MEAN, HEY, I'M SURE THEY'VE JUST GOT MAGAZINE WENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T GET THERE THAT FAST CAUSE GUESS WHAT? I HAD A TRAFFIC JAM, YOU KNOW, REALIZE NO THAT LAST, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MOVE ON THE TRAFFIC STOP.

UH, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE LANES ON SOME OF THESE ROADS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE TROUBLE AND WE'RE GETTING IN MORE AND MORE TROUBLE SLOWLY, BUT SURELY I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT ON THIS ONE.

THAT'S REASONABLE DEVELOPER STEPPED UP.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO END UP IN A FEW MONTHS, I'LL HAVE A THREE LANE ROAD WITH A TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE.

CAUSE I WON'T GO TO A FULL FOUR LANE UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR PROBABLY.

AND THEN I'LL GO BACK AND I CAN GET THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, AND THEN, BUT THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

THEN I HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING TOO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DEAD ENDS INTO TWO LANE, YOU KNOW? SO YOU'VE JUST BOTTLENECK IN ONE, YOU'RE JUST MOVING ONE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD, A LITTLE FURTHER STRETCH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN RAISE THE ROAD AND BRIDGE RIGHT UP TO 11 CENTS, BUT THAT MONEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT OF OUR AMINAH AMINAH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ROAD IN BRIDGE AS TO HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE OTHER, THE OTHER PARTS OF OUR IMMUNO THAT WERE FUN.

WELL, WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER TODAY ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT DECREASING IT, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR PART LAST YEAR WITH THAT.

UM, AND UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE GOT TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY BE CAREFUL ABOUT.

UH, CAUSE WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, LIKE I SAID, TWO YEARS AGO TO ACTUALLY RAISE IT.

IT DID MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THEN, THEN WE LOWERED IT.

UM, SO, BUT YOU HAD MORE REVENUE, WE LOWERED THE RIGHT, BUT YOU STILL HAD MORE CAUSE WE CAUSE OUR TAX REVENUE WAS, YOU STILL HAD MORE MONEY TO SPEND MONEY EVEN THOUGH THE RATE WENT DOWN.

YEAH.

WELL THAT'S TRUE THAT DIDN'T TELL ME THAT THAT HAD TO DO WITH PLANE MILES.

THAT? WELL, BUT, AND DOUBLE MY LANES BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR

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THAT DISCUSSION, BUT THAT WHILE I RECOGNIZE IN MORE URBANIZED PRECINCT THAT YOU HAVE HEAVIER, HEAVIER TRAFFIC VOLUME, YOU KNOW, I'VE STILL GOT 20,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE ROADS THAT THEY CAN BARELY DO OVER 10 MILES AN HOUR ON.

SO I MEAN, ROADS, OUR ROADS ARE PARTICULAR TO THE PERSON THAT LIVES ON THEM.

WHY DON'T WE GET THE STATE TO TAKE OVER ALL WORK AND YEAH, THAT'D BE AWESOME.

THAT'D BE NICE.

OKAY.

I THINK, ALL RIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF DRIFTED OFF THE SUBJECT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

SO COMMISSIONER BARBARA HAS MADE HIS MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND TO MOTION MOTION MOVING THAT THE COURT ADOPTED FOR ME OF HER PERCENTAGES AS A GRADE TWO LAST YEAR FOR THIS YEAR'S ROAD AND BRIDGE TAX REVENUES.

BUT I GUESS I'M GOING TO OBJECT A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY PERCENTAGE IS.

WELL, I MEAN THEY CHANGED IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CHANGE COMES FROM.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH RATHER THAN WORDS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD ME DOWN FOR 7% AND I GUESS IT MOVED UP TO 11.

I'D RATHER SOMEBODY ONLY UP AT LEAST TWO MORE PERCENT OF THAT.

CAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT WE COULD END UP LOWERING OUR ROAD, RAGE SEX AGAIN, THEN I'D REALLY BE IN TROUBLE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE ENDED UP BECAUSE THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA LOWER THOUGH.

THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE COLLECTED ROAD BRIDGE, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SKIDDISH ABOUT US SETTING A RATE, RIGHT? NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING I'M NOT DOING THAT, BUT, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE HAVE FROM THE TECH'S ROLE AND I DO 9.9%, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.

AND WITH THE SALARY IN GREECE, THE SALARY REVENUE TO LEMON, I MEAN, TWO IN MIND IT'LL BE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, ALMOST A MILLION, SIX, SEVEN, AND A FOLLOWING RECEIVE A MILLION, THREE.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY.

SO THE, THE WAY WE'RE SET UP NOW IS YOU HAVE 7.4% OF THE ROADS AND YOU, WE ADJUSTED FOR YOUR URBANIZATION ESSENTIALLY TO 11% OF THE BUDGET.

RIGHT.

SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

DID YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN THAT? I THINK, AND I THINK THAT THAT 13 WOULD BE UNFAIR.

AND I EVEN SAID LAST YEAR, I'D BE WILLING TO LOWER MINE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I WASN'T SPENDING IT FAST ENOUGH.

OF COURSE I'M GETTING BETTER AT SPINNING IT BECAUSE I'M GETTING BETTER AT LAYING DOWN ASPHALT.

YEAH.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO, YOU KNOW? AND THE, MY EQUIPMENT'S GETTING BETTER.

SO YOU KNOW, THE BETTER YOUR EQUIPMENT GETS AND THE BETTER YOUR CREW GETS AND THE MORE KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE IN THIS FIELD, UH, YOU'RE GETTING PRETTY GOOD.

AND THE TIME THAT I GET THROUGH THIS, BRO, AND I'LL BE PRETTY GOOD AT WINDING ROADS AND PUTTING IN BASE AND DOING THE RIGHT THINGS AND GETTING THIS.

BUT I THINK, I THINK IF YOU SAID THAT I HAD 13%, THEN I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE.

OKAY.

HOW ABOUT THIS? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START OUR, UH, OUR ACTUAL BUDGET TALKS AND EVERYTHING START A MEETING ON ALL THIS.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE CALENDAR.

I SENT YOU ALL A CALENDAR.

UH HUH.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, BUDGETS TURNED IN, UH, MONDAY AND WE STILL, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LAGGERS AND CHRISTINE WILL TELL YOU, WE DON'T HAVE THE THREE OF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A IN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE, WELL, WOULD IT BE AGREEABLE OR OKAY.

TO, UH, TO CONSIDER A, UM, WORKSHOP MEETING ON THIS SUBJECT, JUST ON THIS, TO WORK THIS OUT.

UM, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED THAT AND MOVE ON WITH THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT TO HAVE ME A DOLLAR FIGURE THAT I BUDGET.

I HAD NO, MY REVENUES AND I COULD PUT TOGETHER MY BUDGET.

WELL, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION BECAUSE I, I CAN, I CAN MAKE YOU A BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO COME IN ANYWHERE IN THAT GUIDELINE.

YEAH.

I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE ONE ROAD THAT CAN EAT UP THE WHOLE, THE FORMULA.

YOU MEAN? YEAH.

IN THE FORMAT PERIOD.

I CAN HAVE ONE.

I CAN DO ONE ROW.

OH, OKAY.

SO THE DISCUSSION THAT, THE WORKSHOP, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOUR, AND YOU'VE GOT THIS, WE GOT THIS, THIS MOTION LAYING OUT THERE, BUT UH, YEAH.

IN ORDER TO ADDRESS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS MOTION, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP TO SET THE FORMULA.

YES.

OKAY.

I WAS DRAWN TO THE MOTION WITH US LOOKING TO DO THE WORKSHOP, TO WORK ALL THIS DETAILS OUT HERE.

OKAY.

I'LL THAT SCHEDULED.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

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SO HE'S WITHDRAWN HIS MOTION.

THERE'S NO ACTION GOING TO BE ON THAT ITEM THEN.

ALRIGHT.

UH, NOW WE'RE DOWN

[28. Discuss/Consider line item transfers.]

TO LINE ITEM TRANSFERS.

LET THEM AUDITOR OR YOU WAIT DOWN THERE.

YES, SIR.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE ON TRANSFERS.

THEY WERE QUITE A FEW TIMES.

I'LL CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR A FEW OF THEM.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE LAND TRANSFERS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS IS HER SECOND.

I'LL SECOND, SECOND, COMMISSIONER BARBARA, DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT MOTION CARRIES, UH, DISCUSS,

[29. Discuss/Consider claims for payment.]

CONSIDER CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT.

UM, 2,036,926 95.

YOUR PAYROLL TRANSFERS WERE 1,000,300 AND 335,007 34 51.

TOTAL PAYOUT IS 3 MILLION, $372,661 AND 46 CENTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BALES QUESTIONS FOR THE AUDITOR? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT? AM I GETTING MOTION? WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HUNT.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SAY SEVERAL COMMISSIONER BARBARA DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED.

NO MOTION CARRIES.

JUDGE.

I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY.

YES.

MA'AM UM, THE DEADLINE FOR THE TAX APPRAISER TO HAVE OUR CERTIFIED NUMBERS IS JULY 25TH THAT WE USUALLY GET THEM A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY TAX VALUES REALLY ARE.

OR WE CAN ACTUALLY FIGURE REVENUES STUFF.

OH ONE 97% 97.5% COLLECTIONS.

AND IT'S JUST, AND WE HAVE ESTIMATED NUMBERS SO YOU CAN GET PRETTY CLOSE.

CAUSE EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR BUDGET PROCESS ALL OVER THE STATE CAME WITH THEIR VIRGINIA.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO DO.

RIGHT.

THEN WHEN Y'ALL DECIDE ON THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES, THEN I CAN FIX THE SHEET TO CALCULATE IT FOR US.

SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW, OKAY.

THE ONE, THE ONE KIND OF COMPLICATING ISSUE IS THAT PROJECTED REVENUES BY PRECINCT, DARN HOW WE DIVIDE THIS, YOU KNOW, ON HOW THAT MONEY GETS ALLOCATED.

OKAY.

ABOUT PERCENTAGES.

RIGHT.

BUT IT GETS ALLOCATED FROM THE TOTALITY OF COLLECTIONS THEN ALLOCATED.

SO KNOWING, KNOWING THE PROJECTED REVENUE FOR PRECINCT ONE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANY, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

YES.

IMPACT ON YOUR BUDGET, PRECINCT ONE FOR MY SPLIT.

GOT IT.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.

RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT.

OKAY.

WHEN YOU'RE WAITING ON ME,

[30. Adjourn Regular Meeting.]

I'M LOOKING AT 30 OUT OF 30, EXCUSE ME.

30 YOU'RE UP.

I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS FAN MEETING TO ADJOURN A SECOND COMMISSIONER CASE.

DISCUSSION THOSE IN FAVOR.

I SUPPOSE KNOW THAT MOTION CARRIES.