* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] ARE Y'ALL READY OVER HERE. [Call to Order] OKAY. ONE O'CLOCK UPSTAIRS. [3. To Discuss the FY 2020-2021 Budget. ] SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A BUNCH OF WORKSHOPS UNLESS YOU GUYS VARY FROM WHAT I'VE GOT DOWN HERE, GONNA FOCUS ON SOME DIRECTION OF REVENUES. WE WANT TO PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN WORK. WE CAN COME BACK AND START THE HARD PART. WOULD YOU BE ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE? FIRST THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PLAN WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR ON A PLAN FOR MAKING A TRACKING ALL OF OUR CHANGES AND MAKING THIS ALL REAL TRANSPARENT. AND SO WHAT YOUR BUDDY'S GOT THIS BINDER, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH EACH, WE'VE GOT ROOM FOR SIX VERSIONS OF OUR BUDGET. IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT EVERY TIME THAT WE MAKE A CHANGE IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU'LL GET A, WILL GET A PACKET THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO STUFF THAT WE'LL GO BEHIND THE NEXT TAB. AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPARE. THIS IS NOT WHAT KAREN AND KW WORKED OUT LAST YEAR. THIS IS NOT TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK MAYBE WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR IS WE WEREN'T, WE WERE SORT OF, UH, GOING FROM ONE VERSION OF THE OTHER AND YOU HAD TO BE FED. YOU REALLY HAD TO BE TRACKING ON YOUR OWN PRETTY MUCH. SO DOES THAT MEET EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS FOR PAIN SPIRITS? OKAY, GOOD. WE CAN HAVE A PLAN B THAT'S ALL WE ONLY GOT TO PLAY. WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. SO THE GOAL WAS SET OUT. THE LAST PERSON TO WORK ON TODAY IS, UH, TALKING ABOUT OUR TRANSPARENCY, UH, CORROBORATE A CONSENSUS OR SOME DIRECTION, JUST WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE, UH, CUT TOTAL TAX REVENUE. AND THEN I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE GAME AND KNOW HOW MUCH IS GOING TO GO TO UNL AND HOW MUCH IS GOING TO GO WITH THE LOCAL BREACH. THIS IS A FIRST RUN AT IT. SO IT WON'T BE THE FINAL PRODUCT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME DIRECTION KNOWING HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. AND, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING, THEN WE'LL GO ON THE NEXT TIME. WE'LL WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT BUDGET. I'LL BE DANG, GO GET YOUR PENCILS HANDY. MAKE A NOTE SOMEWHERE. I WAS GOING TO, I CAN SEND THIS TO YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO. I WAS PROPOSING IF WE SET ASIDE THESE DATES FOR FOLLOW UP MEETINGS, UH, JULY 14 TIL NEXT TUESDAY AFTER COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, JULY 16, NINE O'CLOCK, JULY 20TH AT NINE O'CLOCK, JULY 22ND AT NINE O'CLOCK. AND THEN MONDAY THE 27TH AT ONE O'CLOCK. UM, THAT'S THE DATE BY THE WAY THAT, UH, WE, WE WOULD SET, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES FORMALLY, AND THEN JULY 28TH WOULD BE AFTER OUR REGULAR COMMISSIONER'S COURT. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN OR SOMETHING, WE'LL EMAIL THOSE TO YOU AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE'LL MODIFY. AND MAYBE WE WON'T NEED HIM. I JUST WANT HIM TO GET THOSE TIMES AND WALKED OUT. UM, OKAY. QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE FLIP OVER TO THIS, THIS PAGE HERE AND TALK ABOUT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT I'LL RUN THROUGH THE ANYWAY, THE TOP LINE IS OUR CURRENT TAX REVENUE THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER THIS YEAR. SO ONE OF THE OPTIONS I GUESS, IS AT LEAST TALK ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST WANT, WE JUST WANT IT TO STAY WITH FLAT FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, THE NEXT BOX, WHICH IS 2021 WITH A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE CAP, EVERY LIKE IN THIS PLAN, THAT IMMUNO GOES UP THREE AND A HALF PERCENT AND THE ROMAN BRIDGE GOES UP THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. [00:05:01] SO I'M NOT SEEING THIS. I JUST SAW IT ONLINE. I WANT YOU TO EXPLANATION THE NEXT LINE WHERE WITH AN 8% REVENUE CAP. LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE CAPS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THE OLD REVENUE CAP WAS 8% AND THE PAST SB TWO, WE WENT TO THREE AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE CAP. SO IF YOU GO UNDER THE SB TWO MALL, IF YOU GO OVER THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, THAT MAKES YOU GO ROLL BACK, WHICH MOST COUNTIES AND CITIES DON'T WANT TO DO A SIMPLE SUPPOSEDLY AND NOT ASK DEB IF SHE WANTS TO HAVE AN OPINION HERE, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNOR'S DECLARATION IN SB TWO, OR NASBE TWO SAYS IF THE GOVERNOR DECLARES A DISASTER IN THE THREE AND A HALF CAP IS OFF, BUT ARE OTHER VOICES IN THE STATE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR? YES. SO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT OUR REVENUE CAP IS GOING TO BE? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION BESIDES REMEDY CABIN THAT IS, UH, DOES THIS COUNTY NEED, I MEAN, NOT JUST TO CAP THE LEGAL GAP, BUT WHAT IS REAL NEED TO OPERATE THE COUNTY NEXT YEAR? MMM. SO THE NEXT ONE IS THAT IT CHOSE THE WITH AN 8% AND AGAIN, IT SHOWS RODEN BRIDGE GOING THE DOLLARS IN ROAD BRIDGE. GOING UP 8%. NOW, THE NEXT THREE BLOCKS, WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT GOING BACK TO 11 CENT ROADIE EMBRACE TAX. AND MISS SHOW YOU IF WE, IF WE HAD A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE, OR WE INCREASED OUR REVENUE BY THREE AND A HALF PERCENT AND INSERTED A 0.1, ONE ROAD BRIDGE TAX RATE, THAT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE A MILLION DOLLARS SHORT ON WHAT OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE REQUESTED. YEAH, THAT'S A WORK IN PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY IT NEEDED, UH, WE WENT TO 8% THAT SHOWS YOU, SO IT'S NOT A MILLION DOLLARS, LESS REVENUE FOR M AND O IS WHAT PEOPLE WOULD REQUEST. WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT A MILLION DOLLARS OFF WEST MILLION DOLLAR REDUCTION PRIOR TO HERE REDUCTION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, JERRY. I MISREPRESENTED A MILLION DOLLAR REDUCTION COMPANY THIS YEAR, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY WATCHING WHAT YOU JUST TAKE A SECOND AND EXPLAIN WHAT MNO AND R AND B. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, UH, IMMUNO IS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. REB IS ROGAN BREACH. THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S COLLECTIVE AND SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE TO MAINTAIN ROADS AND INS HIS INTEREST IN SINGING, UH, INTEREST IN SINKING FUND IS NOT EVEN REALLY DISCUSSED HERE BECAUSE THAT'S A FIXED AMOUNT OF CARAMEL, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKE THAT DEBT PAYMENT. WE DON'T THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR US. UM, SO YOU THINK THAT WAS SUFFICIENT ON HIM AND ELSEWHERE GENERAL, THE GENERAL PRACTICE SYSTEM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, EVERYTHING EXCEPT ROAD AND BRIDGE PAPERWORK. SO AT THE TOP, AT THE TOP, YOU SAID THREE AND A HALF PERCENT IS THAT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OF JUST THE NEW THAT'S 39% OF WHAT'S ON THE APPRAISAL. THAT'S NOW BEING REDUCED BY ANTICIPATED OBJECTIONS ON THE TAX. OFFICER'S SAYING IT WAS TERRIBLE. DOESN'T IT? DOESN'T IT. WE JUST GOT THAT ALL AT. YEAH. WE JUST PUT IT ALL AS ONE LUMP SUM. SO THE NEW PROJECTED, THEY DON'T GET A FIRM NUMBER YET. THAT SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN THIS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. IT WOULD BE IF YOU BROKE OUT THE MOVES SEPARATELY. AND IF THEY DID THE MATH ON THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WHEN THE NEW IS 550 MILLION, IT COULD BE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. NOW WE HAD LAST YEAR, IT WOULD BE APPLES TO APPLES. IT WOULD BE HIS LAST YEAR. HIS NUMBER HAS TO DO WITH IT AS WELL. SO APPLES TO APPLES, IT IS FOR THIS MATH ALL BACK AND THEY 500 MILLION NEW ASH. SO IT'S THE SAME WAY TO HAVE NEW THIS YEAR. WE HAVE NEW THIS YEAR AND IF YOU'RE PUTTING THREE IN HAND PER SAMPLE, OH, THAT'S ALL YOU WOULD BE PUTTING THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. AND THEN THE NEW, WHATEVER IS GAINED IS GETTING THE SEPARATELY, A CONTINGENT FOR [00:10:01] THREE AND A HALF. WE DON'T WANT TO EVER, I GUESS, REALLY, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER NAILED DOWN, WHAT WE DID IS TOOK THE TOTAL TAX APPRAISED VALUE THAT APPRAISER TOLD US TO REDUCE THAT BY 4% BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PROTESTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND, AND WE'D LUMP THAT ALL TOGETHER, WE DON'T HAVE THE NEW PACKAGE BROKEN. NOW WE CAN EXCEED IF THE CAP IS THREE AND HALF PERCENT, WE CAN RAISE OUR REVENUE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT AND THEN NET NEW TAXABLE VALUE. WE CAN, WE, THAT'S NOT LIKE INS IS NOT INCLUDED. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WE JUST DIDN'T PUT THAT FINAL REPORT ON IT. CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THREE. IT HAS TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT WE SET UP. YEAH. YOU CAN EXEMPT EVERYTHING, NEW, EVERYTHING, THE NEWS, NOT UNDER THE CAP WHATSOEVER. THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, AS, AS PROBABLY FOOLISH AS THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT CAPPED AT ALL NEW, WELL, NO, I CAN'T. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN, ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR CALENDAR. IF YOU TRY TO KEEP IT UNDER THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, YOU'RE ONLY KEEPING IT ON A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OF EVERYTHING. THAT'S ALL THAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS. RIGHT? NO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE. ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IT UNDER THREE AND A HALF PERCENT FOR NEW AS WELL? I MEAN, LET ME JUST CHANGE WHAT WE'RE SAYING. JUST A LITTLE BIT KNOCKING, RATHER THAN TALKING TO A SPECIFIC PLACE. YOU TOLD ME THAT VALUATIONS DO NEW PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, IT WAS 500 MILLION IN NEW VALUE ISSUE. WE MIGHT HAVE HIM, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE , THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TOTALED IT ENOUGH YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. SO INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF RAISING THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT FROM CALF, LET'S TALK ABOUT MIXER SHOULD KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT FOR US TO INCREASE OUR TAX REVENUE OR THIS COMING YEAR, ASIDE FROM THE CAP. I MEAN, UH, CERTAINLY ROGAN BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF PERCENTAGE INCREASE OR EVERY DOLLAR Y'ALL WOULD BE ENROLLMENT REVENUE DOLLARS. I DON'T LIKE WE'RE RANKING INCREASE IN DOLLARS IN REVENUE INCREASE. SO HOW MUCH, HOW MANY MORE DOLLARS DO WE NEED TO OPERATE THE COUNTY? WELL, I PERSONALLY THINK, I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO RIGHT IN THE HEAD AT ALL. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL ARGUMENT WHERE Y'ALL ANYBODY, I GUESS, IS ANYBODY AT THIS TABLE, THESE TABLES, DID ANYBODY WILLING TO RISK GOING TO LEVEL THREE AND HALF PERCENT CAMP? NO. WELL, ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S JUST NOT, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I MEAN, UH, YOU DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE AS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AS WE CAN, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF, UH, THE ELEVATED APPRAISALS THIS YEAR THAT CAME OUT OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. SO, UH, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE, THAT WE, UH, DISPENSE FROM CONSIDERING ANYTHING BEYOND THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, YOU MADE A LOT OF HEADWAY RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE THAT TAKES ABOUT THREE OF THOSE BLOCKS. RIGHT. OF THE QUESTION. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU TOLD ME, I MEAN, WELL, THERE'S SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT'S LEATHER THAT YOU READ THAT LAW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THAT WAS COUNTY OR ERIC. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. SO WE TAKE OUT THE WHOLE 8% DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT PART OF THE QUESTION IS, IS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. THE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD SEEK TO INCREASE REVENUE OR, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT MEANS WE COULD GO FROM A $0 MILLION INCREASE TO UP TO A THREE AND A HALF PER CENT INCREASE. LET'S DO WE NEED TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE AND 300% TO WORK WITH IT KEEN TO KEEP IT UNDER THAT WE GET THERE AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO STOP. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO, [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE WE'RE ALMOST FROM A ZERO BASE, UH, AND, AND JUSTIFY ANYTHING, BUT I'M NOT, UNLESS SOMEONE IS ESCAPING ME, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A HUGE UNEXPECTED OR, OR EVEN PLANNED EXPENSE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAST YEAR BEYOND JUST OUR, OUR REGULAR OPERATION. WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT REPLACING ANY DAMS OR ANY, YOU KNOW, HUGE, UNEXPECTED DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO THE COUNTY THIS YEAR. UM, I THINK OUR BOND MONEY HAS GIVEN US SOME, SOME BREATHING ROOM, UH, IN ROAD AND BRIDGE AS WELL. UH, AND I THINK WE, WE ALL, UH, AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO PROJECT WHAT THEIR ANTICIPATED, UH, YOU KNOW, EXTRA EXPENSE OR WHETHER THAT'S COPY PAPER COSTS MORE MONEY, OR FOR INSTANCE, WHAT THE IMPACT OF, OF A ROAD AND BRIDGE CREW SALARY INCREASES. KAREN ACTUALLY GAVE US A LITTLE PAPER IN JUDGE IT FROM THE LIBYAN, JUST OUT. I WANT TO HAND USE THAT FORMULA THAT SHOWED UP, HEY, DEBBIE HAD A USE FOR Y'ALL LAST YEAR AND I DID IT BY THE THREE AND A HALF, THE EIGHT AND THE 11% TO ROMAN BRIDGE. AND Y'ALL JUST MADE UP YOUR MIND, IT'S THREE AND A HALF. SO THE OTHER TWO PAGES NOT REALLY WORTH DISCUSSING HERE, BUT THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE SPLIT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, HOW YOU PERCENTAGES WOULD WORK OUT FOR RUBBING BRIDGE. SO THIS SHOWS UP THREE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE IN BRIDGE. YEAH. THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. AND ONE OF THEM IS MAINTAIN THE SAME TAX RATE WE HAVE NOW. AND ONE OF THEM IS, WAS 11 CENTS. RIGHT? RIGHT. NO, NO. I DID THREE AND A HALF AND THEN I DID 8% AND THEN I DID THREE AND A HALF MOVING THAT TO THE 11 CENTS FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE TASKS. OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU CAN THROW THE MIDDLE ONE OUT, BUT WHERE WE'RE AT. WELL, THE LAST TWO TABLES THAT JEREMY DID CALCULATE THE SAME AMOUNT FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE IS STILL AT 11 SEATS. OKAY. GLENN PERCENT. SO THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T NEED A FOURTH PAGE. OKAY. YOU LOST ME ON THAT ONE. WELL, YOU LOOK AROUND HERE. ROMAN BRIDGE IS ASSIGNMENT. OKAY. Y'ALL HAD SAID THAT IN COURT THAT YOU DON'T WANT ME TO STAY ON THAT SAME FORMAT OF PERCENTAGES TO MAKE SURE PRECINCT TO HAVE ENOUGH. UM, I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID THAT YOU SAID YOUR SALARIES WERE OVER A MILLION AND I'M CONTRADICTING IT, BUT WHEN YOU ADD BENEFITS, IT DOES GO OVER ME. AND SO, OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE FOCUSED ON A THREE AND A HALF MAXIMUM REVENUE INCREASE WITH GREEN AMPERSAND. SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, DO WE EVER TAKE YOU DOWN TO THAT? YOU'VE GOT YOU LOOKING AT ME FOUR O'CLOCK PURSUIT OF REVENUE CAP, AND 11% RANGE. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND BLOCK. IT WOULD SHOW A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ACROSS THE BOARD. OTHER WORDS IN MY BOOK, THE DOLLAR REVENUE PER CENT DOLLAR, UH, WE DO AT 11 SAND ROAD BRIDGE RATE AS SHOWN IN THE BLOCK AND NEED TO FIND A WAY TO REDUCE THE GERALD. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE ROAD AND BRIDGE RATE FROM LAST YEAR, BUT BASED ON THIS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ROAD BRIDGE IS GOING TO PLUS UP 363 60, RIGHT? THE IRANIAN BRIDGE RATE WILL THE RATE WITH ALL OF OUR RATES ARE UNDER [00:20:01] THIS SECOND BLOCK AND A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE INCREASE ALL OF OUR TAX RATES. IF PEOPLE LOOK AT THOSE, ALL OF OUR TAX RATES GO DOWN, THEY GO DOWN, THEY ALL GO DOWN DOWN AS YOUR CASE, YOU'RE TAKING IN MORE MONEY, RIGHT. AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT INTO A SOLAR OVER TAX RATES GO DOWN, BUT ACTUALLY CASH AVAILABLE TO OPERATE ROAD AND BRIDGE GOES UP. IT GOES UP BY 360,000 AND PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY AT ONCE. EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE GO TO DALLAS OR SOMETHING CAUSE THEY PAY A DOLLAR BILL PROTECTS RATES. LIKE 2% OF THEM ARE JUST SITTING UP FIVE OR SIX, YOU KNOW, AND THE SAME WITH MAN PAN OR SOMETHING ELSE, EXCEPT FOR SAM, YOUR TOTAL GROSS REVENUE. OKAY. KAREN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR GUESSTIMATE OR DEERE? WHAT'S YOUR GUESSTIMATE? MMM, MMM. WHAT'S THE PERCENT INCREASE TO RODEN BRIDGE SALARIES OVER LAST YEAR. SO SHE TOLD ME THE IMPACT OF ONE 35 81 63 AND 75. THOSE ARE ALL BY INDIVIDUAL PRECINCTS, CORRECT? YEP. YES SIR. SAYS ANY INCREASES STATES 38. SO THE SALARY INCREASE ALONE. BASICALLY EACH OF THE DELIVERY INCREASE THAT SALARY INCREASE IT ALONE, BASICALLY EATS UP THAT $360,000. YEAH. SO THE TOTAL OF ALL FOUR PRE-STAGE THAT SALARY, FOR INSTANCE, HEY, I GUESS EXPLAIN ON THE OTHER ONE WHERE WE GO WITH, GO BACK TO 11% ON A ROAD AND BRIDGE SWAYING IS WE LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS HAVING THEM, MEGAN FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE. AND THEN WE COME UP ON A PERCENT CHANGE. THE SWING IS NOT STUDENT TO HAVE TAX TAX. YEAH, NO TAX, RIGHT? WHATEVER SWAYING IS LIKE PRETTY ASTONISHING. IT IS LIKE TWO AND A HALF MILLION. LET ME EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY MIGHT BE EASIER. SO AT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POOL OF REVENUE IS 1.7, $8 MILLION. THAT'S THE TOTAL BULLET REVENUE. YOU CAN SPLIT THAT. HOWEVER YOU LIKE. AND WHAT I'M DOING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS I'M SPLITTING THAT SAME 1.7 $8 MILLION. BUT WHEN YOU DO 11 CENTS OF ROAD BRIDGE TAX, THAT EQUALS 2.8 MILLION. BUT TO GET IT BACK DOWN TO 1.78, THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. YOU GOT TO TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS AWAY FROM THAT NUMBER IN ORDER TO GET YOU BACK TO THIS, ALL YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH IS 1.7, 8 MILLION IN THREE AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE SPLIT THOSE DOLLARS. HOWEVER YOU, HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE, BUT THAT'S ALL OF THE MONEY. IF YOU DO IT THREE TIMES, IF YOU DO IT IN HALF TO BE GREENHOUSE, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TAX RATE AND THAT SECOND POINT, RIGHT, RIGHT. PABLO IS JUST A MIX AND IT MADE THE SWING IN DOLLARS. YOU CAN'T CAPTURE IT WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE CAPTURING 11 CENTS OF THAT CAPTURE 11 CENTS OF IT. THAT NUMBERS ARE ALL NUMBER THAT'S 2.8 MILLION. AND THAT'S JUST HOW YOU, THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD SHIFT THE DOLLARS. YOU'D BE OVERDRAWING THE ONE POINT $7 MILLION THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND WHAT'S ROAD AND BRIDGE. NOW I'M RUNNING 7.97, RIGHT? WITH THE VERY TOP, THE VERY TOP, RIGHT? JUST ALL YOUR CURRENT NINE, SEVEN, NINE, NINE. RIGHT. AND I'LL, I'LL STILL GO BACK TO THE SCAN. AND I THINK WE CAN FOCUS ON QUESTION THAT I'M WONDERING IS A, DOLLAR'S NOT ABOUT TAX RATES. TO ME, THE TAX RATE, ESPECIALLY DOLLAR DOLLARS WILL BE NEEDED IN GENERAL OR HOW MANY DOLLARS A BILLION. WELL, I THINK THE REALISTIC DEAL IS JUST, WON'T BE FAIR OR WE NEED TO HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE WE LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS LAST YEAR, OUR REVENUES WENT UP, IT'S $10,000, [00:25:03] WHICH THAT'S HALF A CHIP. SO HALF A MILE, BUT CHIPS IN ROMANS, IF YOU'RE LUCKY, YOU KNOW? SO IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. AND IT'D BE THE SAME INCREASE THIS TIME ABOUT $50,000. WELL, ACTUALLY I WOULDN'T ACTUALLY, I MEAN, ALL OF THE INCREASED , BUT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST GENERALLY, RIGHT? THAT THEN THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, AND I REALIZE IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY GO TO SALARY. SO REALLY OUR BUDGET DIDN'T CHANGE ANY AT ALL. NOW, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS WE HAVE REVENUE COMING IN FROM AUTO REGISTRATION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. RIGHT NOW, THOSE DOLLARS DON'T FALL UNDER THE THEY'RE NOT RUNNING. THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO TAX. THOSE ARE OTHER REVENUE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUES IN YOUR PROPERTY. OKAY. SO, BUT WE DO GET REVENUE FROM REVENUE, FROM SEVERAL SOURCES. YEAH. SO COUNTY CLERK, SO THAT'S HELPFUL. AND WE CAN, OR WE CAN PUT IN A LINE UP IT'S AFTER, AFTER THE FACT AND NOT IMAGINE THE CARE. DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT? NO. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. YOUR PROPERTY TAX IS YOUR BIGGEST RAVES. YEAH. EVERYTHING THAT, IF THAT'S NOT RIGHT, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE OVER HERE. THOSE SPEEDS ARE GOING TO CHANGE MUCH JUST BASED UPON THE LANDSCAPE OF COLLECTIONS. $600,000. THERE YOU GO. I THINK IT WAS 3.1 MILLION IS ALL THESE I'VE MENTIONED. I HAVE A NUMBER WE'LL PROBABLY CROSS NEXT SLIDE. I THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT PERFECT. CAUSE I KIND OF FIGURED OUT I WAS LIKE 700,000. WE CAN BE SO LUCKY TO BE LIKE SYDNEY AND RECEIVE SALES TAX. WE'D BE TALKING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT STORY HERE. NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO ARE WE ABOUT $3 MILLION IN SECURITY? YEAH. NOW $3 MILLION COMES FROM OFTEN. THERE'S A LOT OF THIS DEDICATED MONEY TO WRITE YOUR ACCOUNTANT, DEDICATED RED CATS, REGISTRATION FEES, WHITE DISTRICT CLERK, CLERK. HOWEVER, IT'S MISCELLANEOUS UNTIL AFTER THE AUDIT, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON WHAT NUMBER ON A LEGACY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OKAY. USUALLY YOUR BUDGET RUNS ABOUT 12 TO 13 MILLION. WELL, NOW YOU GOT A COUNTY ENGINEER ENHANCE. YES. HE SAYS FOUR IS GOING TO HIT YOU ABOUT 300,000. SO YOU GOT TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE REVENUE SIDE AND THEY GET Y'ALL SPLIT NO FAT. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M, I'M WONDERING IF ANYBODY HAS A SUGGESTION ABOUT HOW WE, HOW WE ALLOCATE SO TOTAL WELL, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION, I THINK PART OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE IS, IS EVERY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN ROAD BRIDGE. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT'S THE WHOLE BASIS FOR EVEN CONSIDERING 11 CHANNEL. RIGHT. UH, AND UH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT, OR MADE IT THAT, UH, THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT CAP WOULD GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL THREE 60 THAT'S ALREADY REALLY BEEN CONSUMED IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, SALARY INCREASES THAT CAME IN THIS THAT HAVE TO BE FUNDED FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE REALLY AT, YOU KNOW, A PUSH AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S THE KIND OF THE GERALD A REPRESENTATIVE IN THIS GROUP. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S NOT HOT RAGE. YES NO, [00:30:01] NOPE, NOPE, NO ARGUMENT, NO $60,000, RIGHT? NOPE, NO, OREGON ABOUT THAT. IT DOESN'T PUT IT, IT DOESN'T PUT ANY MORE, YOU KNOW, ROCK ON THE ROAD, THE PLUS STUFF. NO DOUBT OF THAT, BUT IT WAS A JUSTIFIED PLUS IT'S NOT REALLY NON-DISCRETIONARY, UH, OR CAPRICIOUS. SO I, I, WHERE I'M GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU MAKE, MAKE BIG, BIG ADJUSTMENTS MIGHT GO INTO 11 CENTS AND CAUSES THIS BIG SWING FOR, FOR THE GENERAL FUND FOR M AND O. UM, BUT WHAT ABOUT A SMALL ADJUSTMENT? JERRY'S SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF A, INSTEAD OF A 0.90979, NINE. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S, I'M GETTING THERE. I'M GETTING THERE. UH, WHAT'S THE ADJUSTMENT, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR LOOK LIKE FOR A SMALL ADJUSTMENT? LIKE WELL, I WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE JUDGES, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT THEN LET ME DO THE MATH. THE OTHER WAY THE TAX RATE COMES OUT OF THE DOLLAR. I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST DO THE MATH THE OPPOSITE WAY. IT IS. WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT'S NOT IF IT'S 500 OR 600, BUT I'M LOOKING TO DO MORE ROADS. SO IF I GO AND GIVE YOU MY WISHLIST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET CLOSE TO MILE ONE. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO FOR MY PEOPLE. SO WE REALLY, I NEED TO FIT MY BUDGET AND WHAT WE CAN REALISTICALLY BRING IN THIS REVENUES. AND IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT ME SITTING A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU FIND THE MONEY FROM ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALISTIC BECAUSE I WANT TO DO A SPEED ROBINSON. THEY CAN CAPITALIZE AS MUCH, AS MUCH AS I CAN OUT THERE. AND I JUST PUT IT IN A WISH LIST. IF I TURN IT INTO LOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS ALL GOT WOUNDS, YOU KNOW, BUT I WANT TO MAXIMIZE MY RANDY, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WHAT DID WE DECIDE? WE DO IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE. WE GIVE THEM A DOLLAR. THIS GIVES ME THREE 59. HE IS REPRESENTING ABOUT, NO, NOT A PENNY, PENNY, PENNY, HALF A PENNY, HALF A, IT, HE HAS LIKE NINE WHAT'S A PENNY REPRESENT AND HE'S REPRESENTS THREE 59 GREECE. SO WE DID UP ANOTHER, YOU WENT TO 9 CENTS, EIGHT 21, JUST A FLAT 10 SHIFTS. THAT WILL BE JUST BARELY GOING UP. SO I'D STILL, IT WOULD SERVE, IT WOULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THEM TO KNOW. SO THAT, THAT, I'M JUST SAYING, IT JUST MIGHT GIVE THE PRECINCTS A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY TO PUT, ACTUALLY PUT ON THE ROADS WITHOUT BEING DEVASTATING. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND IF WE DECIDE TO GO LEAVE HIM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT DID WE DECIDE? MOST OF YOU DECIDE WHERE WE WANT TO BE IN WHAT WE'LL HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT OUR BUDGETS MAXIMUM. BUT ONCE, ONCE, ONCE WE SAID, ALRIGHT, DON'T GOING TO DO IT FOR A TAX. THE RNB TAX. BUT YEAH. AND WE HAVE OUR VALUES AND WE HAVE OUR, NOW IT WAS JUST FIGURE UP SINCE WE HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THEN I'LL SUBMIT MY BUDGET INTO THAT. AND THEN WHENEVER THE END OF THE REVENUE COMES IN, THEN I CAN ADD LINE ITEMS. YOU DO MAXIMIZING USE ALUMNI THAT WAY. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. ROLLING. YEAH. ARE YOU CALCULATING KITCHEN READY? IT'S ONE POINT $6 MILLION IS HE THINKS ALL IT'S ALL DONE ON HER THOUSAND DOLLARS ATTENTION RATE 1.6862. SO TELL ME ABOUT THAT. SO AT TNC AT BREAK, GO WITH TANZANIA ROAD BRIDGE, RIGHT. GOES $359,000 INCREASE TO 1.6. LET ME JUST MAKE A SMALL ONE, ONE, ONE TIME. OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE $359,000, KIND OF CROSS THAT OUT AND [00:35:01] IT'S GOING TO BE THAT NUMBER AT 10 SAND ROAD, RETRADE IS GOING TO BE ONE POINT $6 MILLION INCREASE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT, BUT ROUGHLY $200,000 OFF OUR GENERAL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. IT'S NOT, WHILE WE OPERATED ON THIS LAST YEAR, IT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR THIS YEAR. IT'S ONE POINT $6 MILLION MORE THAN YOU HAVE TO SPEND MISSION. OKAY. ALL TOGETHER, ALL 4%. I GET IT. I'M JUST, IT'S, IT'S THE VALUE THAT I'M LOOKING AT AS A MAKE SURE THAT THE FREEZE ADJUSTED IS THE SAME AS HERE. SO THAT SAME TIME, BUT WHY DID YOU DO THAT? WHEN YOU SAY CARE, HE WAS SAYING THAT SANDRA AND HANNAH, IT WAS CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT IT, TRYING TO FIGURE, GOT ONE, ONE. I'LL JUST DO IT OVER HERE. ONE, ONE NINE, FOUR, NINE 38, THREE ONE ONE. PRETTY SURE THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT ABOUT MOVING IT UP. SO WE RAISED ROGAN BRIDGE ON THAT SECOND BLOCK, ONE BLOCK AND INCREASES THE AMOUNT RAISED ABOUT 1.6 MILLION, WHICH MEANS WE GOT CAR ABOUT $200,000 OFF IN JUNE. OH, I SEE. GOT IT. YOU'RE MOVING IT FROM SIX TO 10 CAMP WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT ME. I'LL LET HIM KNOW AGAIN. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I DID. CAUSE CAUSE THEY WERE ALL TALKING THAT A MINUTE AGO. SO I WAS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOUR, OH, THAT'S OUR DISCONNECT. I WAS, YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE FROM JUST NINE, SEVEN, NOT NINE TO 10, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE BETWEEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOWER THAN EIGHT, EIGHT, SIX, FOLLOW THAT LOGIC. WHAT WOULD IT BE TO GO WITH NINE, NINE SHIPS, 9 CENTS. TAKE A SHOOT TO RAISE YOU UP. AT THREE 65 PLUS EXTRA 109 CENTS. THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE TO PRIOR YEAR IS JUST NORTH OF BOPPER. SO THAT PLUS WAS UP ROMAN BRIDGE ABOUT 150,000 OVER THIS BLOCK TO NUMBER. OH, IT MADE A LOWER TAX RATE DOWN 9% LOWER THE TAX RATE STILL. YEAH. TO SEE THAT EVEN, EVEN AT 8% INCREASE IN REVENUE, YOUR TAX, RATE'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN RIGHT HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE BUYING SOME GIRLS, NO DEBT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE WHATEVER THE NEW ADJUSTED VALUE IS AND PICK HER UP. WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. THAT'S WHY I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE DOLLARS. I THINK RATES ARE IRRELEVANT. I THINK IT'S HOW MANY DOLLARS DO YOU DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN THAT? YOU GOTTA START WITH THE DOLLARS, BUT IF YOU'RE MANAGING YOUR OWN BRIDGE DEPARTMENT, THAT IS THE QUESTION IS, SEEMS SO CLEAR TO ME IS HOW MANY DOLLARS DO YOU NEED? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DOLLARS THAT YOU NEED, BUT HOW MANY DOLLARS ARE WE GOING TO TAKE OUT OF IT? YES. OF THIS TAX COLLECTION AND PUT INTO A BRIDGE. YEAH. AND THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO WORK THAT OUT IN THE JOURNAL? I GET THAT. BUT THE WHOLE POINT THAT THEY'RE MAKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS IS THE DOLLARS. YOU'RE NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE TAX RATE FOR THE DOLLARS THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED THE ROAD CORRECTLY. AND IT WAS BACKWARDS. YEARS AGO, WE HAD A HIGHER ROAD, BRIDGE TAXES AND GENERAL FUND GOT, GOTTEN SO MUCH TROUBLE TO HIM. AND I SAY, DON'T FUND HIM AND KNOW WHEN. AND THEY LOWERED THE ROAD, RINSE TAX ALL THE WAY DOWN, 5 CENTS TO BOOST THE MNO. AND NOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REVERSE THEM BACKLOG. THAT ROAD HAS GOTTEN SUCH BAD SHAPE FROM KEEPING TAKING MONEY AWAY AND PUT IT BACK. ALL THEY DID WAS TRY TO BUILD IT BACK UP KIND OF BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. SO THE TAKE OF ACTUALLY, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. WELL, LET'S, LET'S KIND OF TRY IT ANOTHER DIRECTION. UM, NO, THAT'S THE NAME? HOW MUCH MONEY. YEAH, BUT MAYBE IT'LL BE A DIFFERENCE THOUGHT PROCESS. UM, WHAT'S YOUR GOAL BE FOR THE GENERAL FUND? SHOULD IT BE TO KEEP IT FLAT [00:40:01] OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE, ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND? YOU SEEN, YOU GOT THE BUDGET REQUEST HERE AND THEY'RE NOT PLAT. I MEAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM ALL YET CAUSE WE JUST GOT THEM, BUT YOU DONE THEM THIS WEEKEND OR VARIETY. I DIDN'T GET THIS BUT OF THIS CAUSE OKAY, WHAT'S IN THIS BOOK. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY TALKING KIND OF APPLES AND ORANGES. THE POINT FROM THE ROAD AND BRIDGE PERSPECTIVE IS THIS, WE, WE NEED MORE MONEY. THE ROSE, WELL, I NEED IT. WELL, I MEAN HE TELLS ME HOW MUCH OUT OF THIS ONE POINT $7 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE IN THREE AND A HALF OR SO THAT , THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO. HELEN, TALKING ABOUT THESE, MY NEW ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ROAD AND BRIDGE TAX INSTEAD OF GOING TO 11 STANDS, UH, IF, IF JUST BY GOING TO NONSENSE FROM EIGHT EIGHT THAT PLUSES UP ROAD AND BRIDGE. SINCE EVEN THOUGH WE BENEFITED FROM OUR EMPLOYEES HAVING A RAISE FOR $360,000, THAT, THAT SORTS OUT GOING TO 9 CENTS SORTS OUT TO LIKE AN EXTRA 40 GRAND, YOU KNOW, REAL DEPENDABLE ROAD MONEY FOR EACH PRECINCT, MUSCLE MAIL, 160 GRAND. YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S NICE, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT. I NEED TO TRUE ALL THAT. I REALLY WANT TO SAY. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING AROUND NUMBERS AND IT DOESN'T THE SMALL MINUTE ADJUSTMENT LIKE THAT. DOESN'T DEVASTATE EMMA. NO, I KNOW THE FIVE 50 THAT LEAVE YOU THAT IF YOU ONE TOO. SO, SO AS A, AS A COUNTY, AS A COUNTY GOVERNANCE BODY, PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS, IS, UM, IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY ROADS WERE THE SUBTRACTION FROM SOME OF THESE REQUESTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE. YOU PUT YOUR MIND IN GENERAL, PUNCHED UP A RUBRIC, YOU KNOW, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AGAIN, TRUE ENOUGH, THE NUMBERS, BUT JUST CONSIDER IT A MINUTE ADJUSTMENT FROM EIGHT, EIGHT TO NINE, AT LEAST ACCOMMODATES SOMETHING EXTRA FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE A HUNDRED SIXTEEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED SIXTY THOUSAND, WHICH ISN'T MUCH, WHICH ISN'T MUCH IN THE, WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO PRECINCT BY PRECINCT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HALF A MILE ROAD. WELL I HAVE MY OWN ROVER DUMP TRUCK. NO I DON'T. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFICULTY IS. I'M IN HOME, BEEN HERE OVER EIGHT YEARS. WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS KIND OF PROBLEM. WE, WE GAVE YOU THE REVENUES THAT WE PROJECT Y'ALL LOOKED AT THEM, LISTENED TO EVERYBODY'S REQUESTS. YOU DECIDED WHAT YOU COULD DO AND WHAT YOU COULD DO ALWAYS TO HELP THE GENERAL FUND Y'ALL SUFFERED BECAUSE OF IT. IF WE STARTED PUTTING A LITTLE BIT BACK EVERY YEAR TO UNC Y'ALL BACK UP, RIGHT. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T GET WHY WE'RE HAVING SUCH A HASSLE HERE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU SUFFERED BECAUSE YOU FELT THE GENERAL FUND, AS IT WAS SO MUCH HELPED THEM QUITE A BIT. IT'S LIKE COOL, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? AND IF YOU LISTEN TO THE CAMP'S PRAISING, BASICALLY, I GUESS, LISTEN TO HIM EVERYDAY. AND THE SAME, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PRECINCT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN. I MEAN, YOU GET TO LISTEN TO ME, THAT'S THE AGE OLD DILEMMA SIM SOLVING RIGHT NOW. THIS MAY BE FOR THE BASE COURSES. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CHIPS, ELMIRA? SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL CAUGHT UP IN, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY THINKS THEY'RE PAYING ALL THESE OUTRAGEOUS PROPERTY TAXES, YOU CAN CHIP SOMEWHERE UP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THIS DAMN MONEY'S NOT THERE. SO TRY AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ANALOGY. AND MAYBE THAT HELPS. I MEAN, 40 GRAND IS NOT GOING TO DO A WHOLE LOT AND THAT'S MORE THAN I HAD LAST YEAR. I MEAN, CAUSE YOU GOTTA REMEMBER PROBABLY WHAT THE ROAD BRAVES TANKS REPRESENTS IS KIND OF LIKE PICK STOCKS, MAINTENANCE, FUCK. NO MATTER WHAT THE PAYMENT, WE PASS A BOND. THE LIKES OF BOB, THANKS TAKE CARE OF A WHILE, [00:45:03] BUT IT WON'T TAKE CARE OF MAINTENANCE. IF WE DON'T KEEP THE MONEY, KEEP MAINTENANCE YOU'RE OUT. YOU'LL NEVER BE THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO IT. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE TO HEAVY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT CAP FOREVER NICHOLSON. WE GET EVERYBODY BACK. NICOLE'S NOT A NICKEL IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS THIS I THINK LIKE IN THE BRONX TO A GOOD STARTING POINT TO ROUND THAT UP, WHAT'D YOU SAY 90%, IS THAT CORRECT? 9 CENTS. JUST START THERE AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU CAN GET ALL THIS STUFF TRUED UP PERIOD, THEN THAT GIVES US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE OTHER END. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS SUBMITTED, WE NEED TO FIND AN, AN ADDITIONAL, INCLUDING SALARIES OF BENEFITS, MUSCLE METAL, ONE SEVEN, RIGHT? 1.7 MILLION, WHICH IF WE DIDN'T TOUCH ROAD AND BRIDGE THAT YOU'RE ALMOST THERE IF THERE'S THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. SO I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THEY ASKED ME. SO NOW I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS, SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS. SO WHATEVER LITTLE EXTRA COMES OUT OF THERE, I THINK IS JUSTIFIABLY APPROPRIATED TO GO ON THE ROAD. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK ROME, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT KIND OF EM'S OUR REVENUE PHASE. JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UM, IS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT STILL ABOUT FIVE 50, SO THREE 50 PLUS YOU WANT TO GET TO ABOUT 550? CAUSE THAT'S NOT TRUE THIS UP. IT MIGHT BE 9.0 1.9. SO THAT'S ON MY CHART LAND ON THE RIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT. YEAH. SO THAT NEEDS TO PLUS UP BY 150 K THESE MUSCLE NAMES. I USED TO BE 500,000. OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT NEXT STEP. OKAY. UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE SAID HERE, AREAS, WHATEVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF COMES OUT, IT'S JUST CALCULATED AT NIGHT NINE, WHATEVER IT IS. AND ONCE WE GET IT, THEN IN AN EFFORT AND AN EFFORT TO MOVE AHEAD AND MAKE IT SIMPLER, JUST DO JUST MAKING 9 CENTS. LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE. 25TH. WE SHOULD HAVE A CERTAIN KIND OF PROBLEM WHERE LOWER TAX RATE EVERYBODY DOWN THAN THAT. RIGHT? SO X RATE IS GOING DOWN. I THINK KAREN MAKES SOME VALID POINT BY JULY 25TH. ONCE WE GET A CERTIFIED TAX ROLL, THAT'LL HELP BECAUSE IT'LL, WELL, IT MAY BE, IT MAY ADJUST A LEVEL RIGHT NOW. THEY JUST SAW , YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE IN THERE, MAKE IT ALL UP. I THINK THEN ONE OF THE THINGS TO CARE ABOUT THAT COULD HAVE HELPED YOU WITH THIS. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO GET FUNDS TO MY OTHER, OTHER REVENUES THAT WE HAVE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO LOOK AT LIKE THE COUNTY CLERK FEES AT THE CORPORATE OFFICE CHARGES. THOSE ARE NOT AVAILABLE. THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE SPECIFIED FUNDS THAT WERE SPECIFIED PURPOSELY BE KIND OF INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUNDS WHILE WE'RE OKAY. AND JUST BE A GOOD THING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING OTHER TAXES, MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO US, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, KIND OF A SPECIFIC PURPOSE SEIZURE. ALL OF THAT STUFF IS PRETTY MUCH TIED DOWN. I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY MUCH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MUCH, ONLY HAVE EXPENSE EXPENSES, DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. SO YEAH, A BIG CHUNK OF THOSE I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE TREND HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT REDUCTION IN FEES BEING OFFSET BY THE FIRE MARSHALL. SO IT'S KIND OF A WASH, BUT WE'RE NOT ROLLING. WE HAVEN'T MET ALL REVENUE STREAMS. [00:50:02] FEES ARE DOWN. SOME OF THOSE OTHER FEES ARE CAL FIRE MARSHALS UP DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WAS UP TO THIS CAUSE THEY JUST KIND OF WATCH THAT PIECE IN LINE WITH OTHER COUNTIES CHECK SEVERAL TIMES. YEAH. YEAH, OF COURSE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CONSTRUCTION WAS AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS, SO IT REALLY, SINCE THEY'VE COLLECTED ALL THAT TYPE, THAT STUFF WAS ESSENTIAL SPENDING. WE SLOWED DOWN A LOT. UM, OKAY. SO I GUESS WE'LL, WE'LL FILL THOSE NUMBERS IN WITH THAT NIGHT SHIFT. RIGHT. AND UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, PROBABLY EARLY LONG DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY. I'M SURE WHAT WE'LL DO IS MEET WORKSHOP. WE'LL PROBABLY GO THROUGH ALL THE PROPHETS REQUESTS. CAN YOU DO THAT? OR CAN YOU PLUG IT INTO THIS SPREADSHEET? WHAT WAS I DOING? I SHOOT UP TO HERE. YOU PUT 'EM INTO REVENUE AND THEN RUN THIS UP. THIS IS THE FORMER PLAN ON USING THIS AS A FORMULA USE LAST YEAR. I'M JUST GOING TO PASS AROUND, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THIS. THIS IS JUST ONE THAT HAPPENED TO HAVE SOME CHANGES. SO YOU SEE WHAT THE CHANGE IS, BUT THIS IS SO EVERY WEEK IN BETWEEN A VERSION. SO IF YOU HAD A VERSION ONE VERSION TWO OR VERSION THREE, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD SEND OUT IS THIS REPORT, ALL RENTAL I'LL POSE THEM AND I'LL HAVE THEM READY. AND I'LL WHEN YOU COME INTO COURT, PUT IT IN YOUR BOOKS. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT WORD. YOU'LL HAVE A HARD COPY OF ALL THE CHANGES YOU HAVE ELECTRONICALLY TO FUN. SO ONCE WE GET OUR LIFE, WE DO A BUNCH OF THE LINE ITEMS. I'M GOING TO CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE WITH US, MS. SO NOT HAVING THE FUNDING. ONE THING ABOUT THE ROAD BRIDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA, WE HAVE A BUDGET. SO WE HAVE ATTACHED TO THE AGREEMENT ON THE SPLIT FOR BROKERAGE. BUT BASED ON THIS DOCUMENT THAT KAREN JUST GAVE US, JUST WANT TO FLOAT THIS IDEA. SO LAST YEAR YOU WERE AT 11 AND YOU ASKED FOR TWO. SO THAT PUTS YOU AT 13, NOT 13, FIVE . SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS 13 IS GOOD. AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT HALF A POINT AND SPLIT IT AMONGST THE OTHER THREE COULD MAKE THE NUMBERS 27 FIVE FOR ONE 13 FOR TWO 27, SEVEN FOR THREE AND 38 FOR FOUR. AND ALL THAT DOES IS LOSES THE HALF A POINT THAT SHE, THAT SHE THREW YOU AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN COURT. WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT IT. OH, I THOUGHT WE DID. I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT TOO. I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT 2%, 13 AND A HALF COURT. IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOOD TO TALK ABOUT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTED EXPENDITURES, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE'S GOING TO SPEND. I JUST KNOW WHAT HE NEEDS FOR SALARY BENEFITS. HE NEEDS 1.7. IF I CAN GIVE HIM 7.4%, HE'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OFF. AND THAT'S WHY I DID THE 13 AND A HALF. YEAH, NO, NO, NO, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WE, WE, WE ALL AGREED TO THAT LAST YEAR, THAT 7.4 DOESN'T WORK. UH, I GOT NO PHONE WITH THAT, BUT I THOUGHT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN COURT, AND IF WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT IN COURT, NOW WE'RE IN A WORKSHOP. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'D BE 13. I SAID THE MINIMUM, THE MINIMUM MINIMUM NUMBER. AND IF I COULD STRUGGLE WITH THAT, I SAID THE ONLY REASON THAT I WAS CONSIDERED A DRUG, THAT'S A TERRIBLE ANSWER. BUT AFTER I STARTED BUILDING [00:55:01] THIS EXTRA WIRE, RATHER THAN AFTER I STARTED BUILDING ROADS WITH 10,000 POTHOLES, YOU KNOW WHERE TODAY I GOT OVER 10,000. WHEN YOU START HAVING, WHEN YOU START HAVING, WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO HAVE 35 TO 40,000 CARS A WEEK, I WANT, RATHER THAN HERE, YOU GOT SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS. TELL ME YOU DON'T SAY PROBLEM EXPLAINED DIFFERENTLY THAN I HAVE NEAR AS MANY PEOPLE. I'D BE SURPRISED IF I'M EXPLAINING THAT TO PLENTY OF PEOPLE. SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS 13%, A 2% PLUS UP FOR PRECINCT TWO. WELL, I'M CALLING 13 AND EIGHT. OKAY. WELL THEN I GUESS THAT'S NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED HERE IN THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT. HE'S GOING TO LOSE $893 OR IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO, YOU CAN WRITE A CHECK FOR THAT. CAN YOU DO IT WHERE YOU CAN JUST SHOW ME THE HEBREWS 13 AND 13? THAT'S WHAT I'M COMING UP WITH. NO, WHEN YOU TAKE THE 13 MILLION, TWO TO THREE, TWO TO FOUR TIMES 13. YEAH. HE'S GOT TO MOVE DOWN LIKE 80, 80,000. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'LL DO. Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. AND IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA AS AN ALLOCATION. YEAH. CAUSE I MEAN, IS THIS WHY, WHY IT WAS OKAY. SO YOU WENT DOWN. ALL OF THEM WENT DOWN, RIGHT? ALL OF THEM WENT DOWN, YOU KNOW, LIKE MINE WAS 25.8 AND WENT DOWN TO 25.2. ALL OF THEM WENT DOWN. SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA SOMEWHERE, I'M PROPOSING 27.5 FOR PRECINCT, UH, 13 FOR PRECINCT, TWO 27, SEVEN FOR PRECINCT RATE AT 38 FOR FOUR. OKAY. OH AWESOME. THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. MATH ON YOUR PART. WE'RE KIND OF SWINGING AT ABOUT 36. I MISSPOKE. OKAY. YOU'RE GETTING TWO OF THEM. I'M GIVING POINT TO WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING. THAT'S WHAT? THAT IS A 0.5. RIGHT? YOU'RE GETTING POINTS. I'M GETTING 0.2 OF THE 0.5 NO. DID YOU SEE WHAT IT WAS GOING TO DO TO YOUR MOM WHEN IT COMES OUT TO, I DON'T EVEN NEED THE BRAND NAMES OFF THE A HUNDRED, 1.2%. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I DID IT ON THE FLY. I'M JUST PROPOSING TO REALLOCATE THE 0.5%. YEAH. THE 0.5 THAT YOU, YOU, YOU STILL PLUS UP 2% OVER YOUR BUDGET LAST YEAR. YEAH. THAT HURT ME SO BAD LAST YEAR. WELL, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH HIM, BUT YOU KNOW, ON THAT, DOES THAT STILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH TO OPERATE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. IS THAT ON DOING THAT? BUT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. WELL, IF YOU COULD HAVE YOUR BUDGET'S GOING UP 2%, HOW CAN YOU BE SHORT? NO. CAN, OKAY. I MEAN, YOU GET TO DECIDE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH ROAD YOU PAID. JUST LIKE, I GET TO DECIDE HOW MUCH ROAD UP THERE. SO IT'S HOW MUCH YOU DO VERSUS HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO DO. AND THAT'S CALLED BUDGET MANAGEMENT. YEAH. I'M SAYING THAT FOR ME. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. SO HERS IS GOING UP, GOING UP. YOU CAN'T BE GOING UP. WE'RE GIVING YOU AN EXTRA 10%. YOU DO THIS, THE PROBLEM WITH TALKING DOLLARS INSTEAD OF PRESENTING, JUST TELL THEM THE NUMBERS. [01:00:01] THERE YOU GO. THAT WON'T WORK OUT. OKAY. SO WE DID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT TO PUT DOWN A THAT'S THE ONLY PROPOSAL THAT I TO PUT THAT DOWN, UH, SKATED 13, UNLESS ONLY AGENDA. AND WE'LL LOAD IT UP OR DOWN OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION. WELL, I MEAN, KAREN, WHENEVER, WHENEVER YOU PUT ALL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER, IT SEEMED LIKE EQUITABLE SPLIT TO YOU AND FAIR. AND EVERYBODY, I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE DEAL WHENEVER YOU, IF YOU THOUGHT , WHENEVER YOU PUT ALL THAT STUFF DOWN. THE ONLY REASON I DID THAT IT'S BECAUSE MY ESTIMATE OF WHAT HE NEEDED TO OPERATE 1.7, THAT ESTIMATE COME FROM MAY, FROM YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. BUT I MADE ONE AND A HALF MILLION LAST YEAR THAT YOU NEEDED EXTRA. RIGHT? AND THEN OF COURSE MY PAYROLL, WE HAVE THAT MUCH. NOW YOUR PAYROLL IS COVERED. YOUR EXTRA PAYROLL IS COVERED BY THIS TAX INCREASE. THAT'S A PUSH. WHAT? WOW. WHAT, 1.5. WHEN YOU CUT ME ALL THE WAY DOWN THE YEAR BEFORE HAD 1.7. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET BACK SOMEWHERE. I WAS DON'T FORGET THAT. EMPIRICALLY. YOU WERE PLUSSED UP LAST YEAR. WE ADJUSTED YOU UP LAST YEAR. CAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND WE'RE JUST ADJUSTING YOU UP AGAIN FROM SEVEN TO 11% LAST YEAR, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT CUT IT TO THE AIRPORT. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, JUST GO AHEAD AND GO. MY PERCENTAGE IS GOING DOWN 25.8 25. AND I'M OKAY WITH GETTING THAT 13 YEARS IS GOING DOWN TO 20 STATES, LIKE SIX, EIGHT, 25 STATES. SO WE'RE ALL LOSING DIVIDERS GOING UP AND I'LL NEVER PROBLEM. NOT ALL, NOT EVERYBODY TO LIVE IN A PERCENTAGE. YEAH. AWESOME. AND YOU IN YOUR YEARS, WENT DOWN FROM 36.8. ONE WAS LAST YEAR 35.6. HOW ABOUT COMPROMISE? WELL, MY MOTION IS 13%. OKAY. WE'RE NOT VOTING TODAY. THAT'LL BE MY MOTION ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO HE MAKES THAT MOTION, THEN SOMEBODY WILL BE ABLE TO PROCESS. SO I THINK WE HE'S GOT THE ANOTHER NUMBER TO WORK WITH. THAT'S PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY AN EASY, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, CHALLENGING, BUT GOOD. ALRIGHT, WELL MAYBE WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A SECOND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.