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NO, HE USED TO GET UP TO THOSE PROBLEMS.
[Workshop - To discuss Fiscal Year 2020-2021 Budget.]
WE ARE WE'RE BACK IN SESSION, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO BUDGET WORKSHOP STUFF.AND, UM, I'LL START OFF BY, I'M GONNA PASS JERRY TO KIND OF JUMP IN HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT TO JUST DO A LITTLE OVERVIEW.
UM, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THIS BUDGET SHEET THAT JERRY'S HANDED OUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH WE'RE UPSIDE DOWN.
WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE REVENUE REQUESTS THAN WE HAVE REVENUE.
AND I HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE CAN PERHAPS COME UP WITH REVENUE.
AND I, AND I'LL SAY THAT I THINK OUR REVENUES THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE RIGHT NOW, JUST LOOKING AT TAX REVENUE.
AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I KNOW THAT KAREN HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHERE WE'VE GOT MONEY.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S PARKED SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR SOMETHING AND IT HASN'T BEEN USED.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK KAREN THAT WHENEVER AS WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THAT SHE CAN GIVE US SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHERE WE MIGHT TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND, AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT OR BUDGET.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST I WOULD, THAT'S THE FIRST I WOULD CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT.
THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, LAST YEAR, I THINK WE HAD 27.
UH, AND I THINK JERRY HAS GOT THAT WRITTEN DOWN FOR IT.
WE HAD 27 VACANT POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY THAT WE BUDGETED FOR 40, 40, 40 THAT WE BUDGETED FOR IT.
AND SO, AND EVEN NOW WE HAVE 14 LEFT, SEVEN HAVE 26, 26.
WE HAVE 26 POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE TAKING A BUDGET MONEY, BUT THEY THEY'RE NOT FILLED.
SO WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL WE'LL WE SHOVE THOSE EMPLOYEES.
I THINK IT'S ALL EMPLOYEES IN BETWEEN TO PULL THOSE OUT ONE OR TWO BACON THAT'S OPTION.
LET'S LET'S TRY TO GET INTO DETAILS, BUT IT'S JUST GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S JUST GENERAL FUND ONLY.
IF WE'VE GOT A POSITION AND WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT AND WE'RE NOT FILLING THAT POSITION, OR WE HAVEN'T FILLED THAT POSITION, WE CAN ASK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO TAKE THOSE OUT OF THEIR BUDGET THAT COULD YIELD SOME, SOME FUNDING FOR US.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO ASK, I MEAN, KAREN IS GOING TO LOOK AND SEE IF SHE CAN FIND SOME, UH, MONEY THAT WE HAVE PARKED THAT WE, NOT, THAT WE DON'T NEED AND INCREASE OUR REVENUE.
I THINK WE'D INCREASE OUR, UH, WE COULD REDUCE OUR BUDGET A LITTLE BIT BY TAKING THOSE UN FILLED POSITIONS OUT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST YEAR IS THAT SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, UH, CONSISTENTLY ARE BUDGETING MORE MONEY THAN THEY'RE SPENDING.
AND I'LL JUST MAKE A MAKE UP AN EXAMPLE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S BUDGETING $5,000 A YEAR FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES, BUT THEY CONSISTENTLY HAVE SPENT THREE OR $4,000.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK WOULD WOULD BE HELPFUL IS TO GO BACK TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY OVER BUDGETING SOMETHING AND ASK THEM TO RECONSIDER THOSE LINES AND THINK ABOUT BUDGETING THAT A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER, BECAUSE THAT WOULD AGAIN, WOULD GIVE US MORE REVENUE TO WORK WITH.
AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT THIS DID SIMILAR TO THAT IS I THINK WE OUGHT TO COLLECT.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN COLLECT SOME WILL HAVE EXCESS REVENUE OVER PROPOSED EXPENDITURES.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE AS MUCH OF THAT REVENUE AS POSSIBLE.
SHE CAN FIND A PLACE TO SET THAT MONEY ASIDE, AND WE WOULDN'T PUT ANY RAISES IN THE BUDGET.
NOW WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THIS WAGE IN CLASSIFICATION STUDY COMES BACK, WHICH I THINK WILL BE NOVEMBER.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN, WE'LL HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO TARGETED, RIGHT? WE CAN DO A GENERAL RACE OR WE COULD DO TARGETED RACES.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE SET THAT MONEY ASIDE UNTIL WE GET THE RESULTS BACK FROM THE WAGING CLASSIFICATION STUDY.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE BETTER RAISE DECISIONS AT THAT POINT.
SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY PREAMBLE TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY SRO ANYMORE.
I KNOW
SO THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED UP.
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IT WILL STAY WITH THE SHERIFF AND SOMEONE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.SO WE HAVE FOUR THINGS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LOOK AT, OR THAT I'M SUGGESTING, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE, ASK THE AUDITOR TO SEE WHAT FUNDS THAT WE HAVE PARKED SOMEWHERE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE, THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND, LOOK AT EMPTY POSITIONS AND TALK ABOUT TAKING THOSE OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE BUDGET.
LOOK AT OVER BUDGETED LINE ITEMS CONSISTENTLY OVER BUDGET LINE ITEMS. AND THEY ASK OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS TO, TO LEAN THOSE NUMBERS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN ASSUMING THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SURPLUS REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES THAT WE, OUR GOAL TO BE WOULD BE TO SET THAT MONEY ASIDE.
SO WE COULD USE IT FOR RAISES IF WHENEVER WE GET OUR, UH, WAGING CLASSIFICATION STUDY DONE.
SO ANY ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR LIKES OR DISLIKES ABOUT THAT, THOSE THOUGHTS
I UNDERSTAND THAT MY TEACHER, MY TEACHER, MY INTENTION, WAS TO GO TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT THIS EMPTY POSITION.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE, UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME COMPELLING REASON, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE THAT OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE BUDGET.
AND LET ME ASK QUESTION, I NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON THIS, CAUSE IT MIGHT BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THESE OFFICES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DA AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ENTERED INTO A FENCE AND ALL THAT, THAT MAY BE THEIR PHYSICIANS, BUT THEY'RE FUNDED WITH OTHER DOLLARS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
I MEAN, OTHER FUNDS AND STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT USING IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT MONEY TO CAPTURE THEM.
THERE'S TWO GRANTS THAT THE DA HAS.
ONE IS TO PAY FOR THAT VICTIM'S CRIME.
MS. SHIRLEY, WE'VE BEEN GETTING IT EVERY YEAR.
I THINK IT'S 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE NEW ONE, THE PROSECUTOR SPECIAL PROSECUTOR THAT SHE HAS A GRANT FOR THAT'S FIELD.
THOSE ARE BOTH FIELD, RIGHT? YEAH.
HE WAS ASKING ABOUT POSITIONS THAT ARE PAID, UM, THE PRETRIAL BOND SUPERVISOR.
HE ASKED FOR SOMEBODY ADDITIONALLY, AND I THINK HE PUT IN HIS NOTES THAT THE DA AGREED TO PAY HALF OF IT OR SOME OTHERS.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CHILD FROM MY HEAD.
WELL, I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST, YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANT OTHER DOLLARS, NOT THE ONES, THE ONES ON THE BACK OF THAT SHEET WOULD BE FUNDS THAT ARE NOT GENERAL FUND SOME OF THOSE.
SO DON'T PROBATION, JUVENILE PROBATION.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE REIMBURSEMENT DOLLARS, WHICH BE HERE, THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PLAN.
SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF A TAX LEVY DOLLAR MARK
ISN'T IT? DO YOU EVEN KNOW AND STATE, BUT THE COUNTY PAYS THE LARGER PERCENTAGE IN THAT THE STATE PAYS FOR JUVENILE.
I GUESS I HAD A REAL QUESTION ABOUT THE FILM, BUT, BUT, AND I'M 34 EXTENSION SERVICE EXTENSION SERVICE NOTICED FROM WATCHING THEM AND, UH, THEY HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM NOW IN THAT OFFICE WORKING SOMEWHERE ELSE FROM THE TIME MAN,
I WONDERED HOW THAT, WELL, WE PAY A SUPPLEMENT, RIGHT? BUT I PAY ABOUT HALF THEIR SALARY.
THEY GET A CAR LOUNGE FROM THE STATE AND THEIR SALARY.
THEY GET PAID BY THE COLLEGE TO SAY ANYTHING.
WE GIVE THEM A GAS VEHICLE PLUS SALARY.
SO WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE VEHICLE THEN.
LET ME, CAN WE REEL US BACK IN JUST A SECOND? I, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM YOU ALL IS TO KNOW ABOUT THE, YOU, SHOULD I GO DOWN THIS PATH? DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ASK THEM ABOUT
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THEIR VACANT POSITIONS? ASK THEM ABOUT OVER-FUNDING IN THEIR BUDGET LINES.I NEEDED TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF SUPPORT BEFORE I DO THAT.
HOW MANY REAL POSITIONS IS? I HAVE TO HAVE THOSE, I DON'T KNOW.
I'D HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND ASK THEM WELL, TO JUST LIKE A, LIKE YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY, WHAT I WOULD SAY YEAH.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THOSE ARE 26 MINUTES, EIGHT TO 18, AND I KNOW THE DA YOU HAVE THEIRS.
SHE HAD THREE, OH NO FIELD POSITIONS, RIGHT.
SHE HAS THREE VACANCIES AND BACON.
UH, I KNOW I SAY YOU DON'T TALK TO THEM.
AND SO JUST LIKE, LIKE YOU AND I WERE DISCUSSING BRIEFLY YESTERDAY AND THERE'S ALWAYS TWO COMPONENTS TO PARTICULARLY THE STAFFING, UH, ONE IS WHAT'S THE TRUE NEED, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE COMPONENT AND IF A TRUE NEED IS ESTABLISHED, THEN YOU ALLOCATE A POSITION FOR THAT.
BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE TRUE NEED, YOU STILL, THE SECOND PART OF THAT COMPONENT IS CAN YOU PAY FOR IT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, YEAH.
I THINK EVERYBODY, THEY CAN FILL OUT EXCEPT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE.
WE'RE THE ONLY ONES CAN'T FEEL ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVERY YEAR.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT PICKING ON SHERIFF, DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE.
BUT EVERY YEAR BUDGET, MAYBE EVERY YEAR HE HAS PROBABLY EIGHT.
SO MY, SO AS I SAID YESTERDAY, I THINK A REAL CRITICAL, UH, COMPONENT OF A NET OF ANALYZING THESE VACANCIES IS HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN VACANT? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE PICKING OUT A MOMENT IN TIME RIGHT TODAY, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THERE'S ONE OF THESE, A VACANCY IN THE DA'S OFFICE THAT OCCURRED YESTERDAY.
OR SO IF A, IF A VACANCY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT.
AT A MINIMUM, SAY 90 DAYS, THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION, IS THERE A TRUE NEED FOR THAT? OR IS THERE SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THEY JUST CAN'T FIND ANYONE TO FILL IT? BUT, UH, UH, SO I THINK YOU NEED, WE NEED TO, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS IT A, IS IT A LONGSTANDING VACANCY OR IS IT A VACANCY THAT JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY OR LAST WEEK? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DA HAD DIDN'T THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT LEFT LIKE A WEEK AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED AS WE, AS WE CONSIDER, I JUST CAME FOR ONE AND A HALF MORE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO SAY NO, CAN'T HAVE THAT.
CAN WE START TO THINK OF, IT'D BE PRETTY EASY TO GO THROUGH AND LET YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE HIRED THIS YEAR? I THINK THAT'S, I COULD FIGURE THAT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY.
WELL, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY, UH, FIVE OR SIX DEPARTMENTS.
THERE'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ALL OF THESE VACANCIES.
I MEAN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE JAIL THAT'S ONE DA'S OR ANOTHER.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO IT PROBABLY BE JUST AS QUICK, JUST TO TALK TO EACH ONE OF THESE OFFICIALS AND SAY, WHAT'S A REAL STORY ON YOUR VACANCY BECAUSE THE NOTWITHSTANDING EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'D BE HARD TO, IT'D BE HARD TO JUSTIFY KEEPING IT.
WHEN YOU GOT WINDMILL FARMS DOWN, THERE WAS A VACANCY THAT THEY FAILED THAT WELL, THAT ONE'S GONE.
THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY NO TO THIS PATCH.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THEN THEY NEED THE DISPATCHERS.
THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND BEFORE YOU EVEN GO THERE.
SO IN SAYING THAT, SO I TAKE IT THAT, SO CHASING THE FASTER DON'T PURSUE THAT OR Y'ALL ARE, SO IS THE, I MEAN, SHOULD WE NOT PURSUE THE EMPTY VACANCY? I THINK THAT'S A, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT GET ONE OUT OF THE WORK.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, OVER BUDGETING IN THE NOW THIS 19 IS THAT THIS, THIS, THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT THEY HAVEN'T, THAT WAS AT THE END OF LAST YEAR IS BY DESIGN.
THIS IS ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS YEAR IS.
THESE ARE NUMBERS FOR A DATE OR A YEAR OLD.
SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA MONEY.
ANYWAY, ROSS HERE, I FORGOT TO CHANGE THAT.
CAUSE I WAS FIXING TO GET CREDIT CARE.
AND THIS IS THE ONE WE PRINTED AT THIS TIME.
LAST YEAR, I KNOW WHERE WE CLOSED OUT.
THIS IS WHERE WE CLOSED OUT 2019, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE OUT THIS YEAR IN OCTOBER.
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PAYING FOR REPAIRS FOR MY SEWER AND FACILITIES AT 212,000 THIS LONG, WAIT A MINUTE.AND THEN WE STRIPPED HIM SOME LAST YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ANTICIPATE BEING ON SPENT FOR THIS YEAR.
AND WHAT DID Y'ALL SAY ABOUT BEING UNUSED AND LENDING? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THIS IS THE ONE I PRINTED FROM AND SIX AND I HADN'T BEEN FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON THE SAME TREND, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE LAST THREE MONTHS LEFT.
WHAT I DID WAS TAKE THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECTIONS TAKE, WHAT WE HAD ALREADY USED FOR THAT MANY MONTHS.
YOU'VE ADDED IT, MULTIPLIED IT BY 12 AND CUT IT IN HALF.
SO I WOULDN'T DEPLETE SOMEBODY'S BUDGET.
AND SO YOUR PROJECTION, THAT IS 2.6.
THAT'S A LOT OF UNSPENT MONEY.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE TOTAL THE COUNTY DID, RIGHT? THAT'S OH, THE GENERAL FUND GENERAL FUND, JUST TO FIND 10.
WELL, IF WE COULD CAPTURE THAT, YOU CAN USE IT FOR RAISES, BUT WILL THAT MONEY BE THERE BECAUSE IT RAISES OUR ONGOING EXPENSE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A ONETIME DEAL, YOU KNOW? SO CAN WE MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP THE RIGHT KNOWING APP, BUT YOU CAN ONLY FUND IT ONE YEAR AT A TIME.
WELL, WELL I KNOW, BUT IF WE DON'T GET, WE DON'T, IF THINGS DON'T CONTINUE GROWING OR THIS CAT, REALLY, THIS IS REALLY OUR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH THE CAMP, RIGHT? THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
SO I MEAN, IF THE GROWTH SLOWS DOWN, IT'S NOT CHANGING OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE BUDGET.
I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THIS STAIN STEEL NOW WHAT IT'S DOING TO US.
SO IF IT CATCHES UP, I MEAN, ALRIGHT, I'LL COME BACK TO A LOT OF IT IS POSITIONS AND YOU DON'T COME BACK.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SHERIFF, EVERY, EVERY YEAR, MAN, THAT DAN VACANCIES, IT CONSISTENT ALL YEAR LONG.
I'M NOT SAYING THEM JUST LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE WRONG RIBS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE EMPLOYEES.
THEY JUST CAN'T SEEM TO FILL IT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAT TEAM RIGHT HERE, THAT'S 700 OR SOMETHING THAT TOOK MAINTENANCE.
JUST THOSE TWO, USUALLY THE JAIL, THE JAIL, AND THE SHERIFF ALWAYS RETURNED MONEY BACK.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE DA IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DA'S OFFICE, GENERALLY THE THING, CAUSE THEY USE THE LAWYER, THEY LOSE THE LAWYER.
IT TAKES THEM HAPPIER FAILING FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE ALWAYS EXPENSIVE SALARY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF WAY.
SO, UH, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UM, I SEE THE, SHERIFF'S ASKING FOR ONE NEW JAIL POSITION, BUT HE'S GOT 10 VACANCIES.
I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR ONE MORE, IN ADDITION TO THE 10, HE HAS POTENTIALLY IT'D BE 11.
HE CAN'T FEEL, OR HE'S FILLING UP FILLING THOSE POSITIONS HAVE THAT MANY, HE'S FILLED A BUNCH OF JAIL POSITION.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE BUDGETED POSITIONS, RIGHT? YOU TOO, Y'ALL GOTTA REMEMBER.
HE'S A KIND OF DADDY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE OTHER STATES.
OF COURSE
AND EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IT WAS A SIMPLE COURSE.
THE SITE LET'S CUT THAT WHEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T USE IT THE NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR.
SO I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU HAVE A POSITION, IF A DEPARTMENT HAS A POSITION THAT HASN'T BEEN FILLED, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF 90 DAYS IS A MAGIC NUMBER, UH, MIKE ON COME BACK AND ASK FOR THAT.
THEY COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE POSITION NEXT YEAR.
IF THEY'RE NOT FILLING IT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M TRYING TO DIRECT THE CONVERSATION IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO REDUCE THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THIS BUDGET.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH, MAKE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT IDEAS, ELIMINATE ANY UNFILLED OR POSITIONS UNLIKELY TO BE FILLED IN THIS BUDGET.
JUDGE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE DEFICIT THAT WE'RE FACING IS THAT, ARE YOU, ARE YOU BASING THAT ON THE REQUEST? THE REQUEST? YES, YES.
SO, SO ONE THING STARTS THERE, RIGHT? SO ONE THING THAT COULD ADDRESS IT AS SOME OF THESE REQUESTS CAN BE DENIED.
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THERE'S NO QUESTION, I GUESS THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A YEAR GONE BY THAT, THAT THE, THAT WHAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED AND MOST DEPARTMENTS, MOST DEPARTMENTS, SOME SORT OF REDUCTION, IS THIS 1,000,001? THIS IS SPEAKING HIGH LEVEL, ALL THE REQUEST, ALL SUBTOTAL, DAN WE'RE ABOUT 1.7 MILLION IN TOTAL REQUESTS.AND HAVING HAVING SAID THAT, THAT PUTS US ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS SHORT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEE OUR GAPS THERE.
BUT ALSO IF YOU SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A 2.6 LINCHPIN THAT'S REALLY WELL THAT MONEY DOES THAT MONEY IS NOT PART OF THIS MATH, RIGHT? SO THAT MONEY, THAT MONEY IS FUN BALANCE.
AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE ON FUND BALANCE DOLLARS, SAME WITH SAME WITH THE UNBUDGETED DOLLARS FOR THIS YEAR.
INSTEAD OF THEM BEING, SEE HOW IT WAS INSTEAD OF THEM BEING IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, YOU COULD TAKE ALL THAT MONEY AND PUT IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND MANAGE IT AND SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE.
AND IF YOU RUN GENERAL FUND, DOES THAT, IT DOES MONEY GOES BY DEFAULT.
IT DOES BY DEFAULT, THE ONLY ONES THAT STAYS IS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE.
IT DOES BY DEFAULT, BY DEFAULT, IT GOES INTO, IT GOES INSTEAD OF HAVING, INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERY DEPARTMENT, JUST INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERY DEPARTMENT OVER BUDGETING, ABOUT $10,000, WE COULD ASK THEM TO TIGHTEN UP THE BUDGETING WHERE THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY OVER BUDGETING AND THE MONEY THAT THEY, THAT THEY REDUCED IT BY WOULD BE MONEY THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US TO USE FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY RAISES OR WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, WHAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE THAT THE CONVERSATION IS MOVING IN ANY DIRECTION IS, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD START, UH, BEING DREAMY ABOUT WHAT OUR REVENUE IS GOING TO BE.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK REALISTICALLY KIND OF USE THE REVENUE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE NOW AND START SEEING HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE EXPENDITURES DOWN.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL WANT TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT IF YOU JUST WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW AND JUST START GOING IN THERE, LINE BY LINE.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT, I THINK.
W W W WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OR WHAT'S THE IMPLICATIONS OF DIFFERING POSITION REQUESTS AND ANY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS UNTIL JANUARY FIVE, I'M JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP.
UM, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT SALARY INCREASE WOULD BE, ARE YOU TALKING 1% OR 10%? THERE'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER FOR MY NUTS.
SO, SO LET'S SAY IT'S 1% SAY, IT'S THIS A START THERE.
SO YOU CAN DO THE MATH 1% RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD, I BELIEVE IS ABOUT CARING ON MY WAY UP $480,000.
THEY'RE ABOUT $500,000 THERE ABOUT ACROSS THE BOARD TAX HAS BENEFITS, RETIREMENT, ALL IN.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'D WANT THAT MONEY TO GO.
SO THERE'S, YOU DEFER THAT FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU'VE SAVED TWO 50 WHERE I WAS REALLY GOING WITH THIS BY JANUARY FIVE.
YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THE UNSPENT FUND BALANCE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, BEFORE THE DOWNLINE BEFORE JANUARY 5TH.
WELL, I MEAN, IN REALITY, YOU WILL KNOW IT UNTIL OCTOBER ONE OR LATER.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHY I PUSHED IT LATER TO A FULL QUARTER OUT.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT POTENTIALLY 2.6 OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE IS, IS UNEXPENDED AS IS RESIDUAL BALANCES.
IF YOU PUSHED YOUR, THE LION'S SHARE OF YOUR COSTS, WHICH IS PERSONNEL NEW POSITION.
IF YOU PUSH THOSE DECISIONS BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU DELAY FILLING POSITIONS, YOU DELAY IMPLEMENTING ANY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THEN POTENTIALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON IT.
UM, RESIDUAL FUNDS FROM, FROM THIS YEAR THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THAT, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT 2.6 THOUGH, ONCE YOU CLOSE YOUR BOOKS, THAT 2.6 IS OFF THE TABLE, UNLESS YOU VOTE TO SPEND YOUR FUND BALANCE.
SO THAT'S 2.6, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT USE IT.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST GOING IN THE BANK, YOU HAVE TO ZERO OUT THAT ACCOUNT.
YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT TO ZERO.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S JUST GOING IN THE BANK.
FUN BALANCE IS NOT A BANK ACCOUNT.
BUT KAREN, YOU TOLD HIM, YOU GOT LIABILITY SITTING AGAINST THAT.
IF YOU PAY IT OFF, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THAT MONEY.
BUT I THINK YOU TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY
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WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SALARY THING, I THINK YOU, YOU WERE TALKING PARKING MONEY FOR SALARY INCREASES OR, OR, OR EVEN NEW POSITIONS OR WHATEVER YOU, YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD TAKE OUR REVENUE THIS YEAR AND PARK IT IN A, IN AN ACCOUNT OR IN A FUND.SO IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY, AND IT'S ALMOST THE SAME THING AS IT GOING TO FUND BALANCE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ON APPEALING WHERE IT WOULDN'T GO IN THE FUND DOWN TAKING SOMETHING OUT OF QUOTE, UNQUOTE FUNDS, IT'S BUDGET, YOUR FUND BALANCE, THE PART THAT YOU NEED TO BALANCE YOUR BUDGET.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, YOU DON'T NEED IT.
AND SO WE COULD KEEP THAT WE COULD, IT'D ALMOST BE LIKE A SUB COUNT OR SUB-LEDGER OF THE FUND BALANCE.
IT WOULD BE A DESIGNATED FUND BALANCE THAT WE WOULD SET ASIDE FOR RAISES, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WHEN I DID THAT FOR, UM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I PUT IT IN A CONTINGENCY IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT WAS DESIGNATED JUST FOR WOMEN ENFORCEMENT.
THAT WAS BACK WHEN YOU DID THE STEP INCREASES.
SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
SO, UM, IF I MIGHT COMMISSIONER, UH, JERRY, LET'S KINDA, YOU, LET ME GET YOU JUST KIND OF GET IT, GET IT TO WHERE I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF, OF NEXT STEPS.
AND SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
SO THE FIRST BLUSH THAT I GAVE EVERYONE WAS DRAFT ONE THAT KAREN AND I WORKED ON BASED UPON THOSE REQUESTS, THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUESTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME, SOME TAXES AND BENEFITS AND SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT.
THAT'S GOING TO ADJUST SLIGHTLY AS YOU PUT A DIFFERENT PERSON'S NAME THERE BASED UPON THEIR SALARY.
SO HIGH LEVEL, YOU'RE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS MORE IN REQUESTS THAN YOU HAVE IN A PROJECTED REVENUE.
SO THE FIRST THING TO ASK IS ARE ALL THOSE REQUESTS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE ON THE TABLE OR TAKE OFF THE TABLE.
SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THOSE REQUESTS AND GET A YES OR A NO BASED UPON ALL THE REQUESTS AND THEN RERUN THE NUMBERS.
SO WE SEE NOW, WHAT IS YOUR DEFICIT? AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A SECONDARY DECISION.
I THINK BEFORE THAT, I JUST WANTED TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON LAST WEEK'S BUDGET WORKSHOP WE HAD WITH THE OPEN SWITCH WE HAD FROM THERE WAS YOU WANTED TO SEE, UM, THE TOTAL REVENUE SPLIT, PUTTING 9 CENTS INTO ROAD AND BRIDGE AND THE REMAINDER INTO M AND O THAT WAS SENT TO EVERYONE.
SO WHILE THE REVENUE NUMBERS ARE STILL FLOATING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF PROJECTED COLLECTIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, APPRAISED VALUE, YOU USE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY.
YOU SHOULD'VE HAD THIS, IT SHOWED HER ACTUALLY THE JUDSON ELECTRONICALLY THAT SHOWED THE IMPACT OF 9 CENT.
UH, DO YOU REMEMBER IN THE COURT I'VE BEEN NUMBER, I TOLD YOU YOU'D GO UP TO ABOUT 560,000.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEN THE GOAL WAS FIVE 50.
THAT'S HOW Y'ALL WERE SHOOTING FOR AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
SO IF YOU TOOK ROAD AND BRIDGE TO 9 CENTS, BASED UPON THESE TAXABLE VALUES, AND I KNOW THAT THOSE TAX ADVISORS ARE GOING TO CHANGE SLIGHTLY, THAT THAT SHOWS THAT RODEN BRIDGE IS GOING UP ABOUT $560,000.
THERE ARE ABOUT, AND M AND O IS GOING UP 1.2 MILLION.
SO IF THAT'S WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO START, WE NEED TO LOCK THAT DOWN ON OUR REVENUE PAGE.
SO THAT, SO THAT THEN WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST, YOU KNOW, EXPENSES, ET CETERA DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S IN THIS DRAFT WALL WITH THE ADDITION OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DECIMAL POINTS IN S SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY SPEAKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST THING I THINK I NEED TO KNOW IS I THOUGHT WE DID THAT.
I THOUGHT WE AGREED THAT WE WERE, I THINK WE DID, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOOD PRECISE NUMBER YET.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD THAT THIS IS THE NUMBER YOU WANT TO GO WITH.
IF THIS IS THE NUMBER YOU HOMEWORK.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL START WITH.
SO STARTING WITH THAT, THEN THE NEXT DRAFT RUN, WE'LL USE THESE NUMBERS TO GENERATE THE TAX LEVY PART OF YOUR REVENUE.
UH, THE OTHER PARTS OF THE REVENUE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ALL THOSE NUMBERS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE'LL KNOW SOME OF THEM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A FLOATING.
IT KIND OF, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE HALFWAY THROUGH YOUR YEAR, BUT THAT'S NOT THE BIG THAT THOSE ARE NOT THE BIG NOTE.
THEY AMOUNT TO ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF ROAD AND BRIDGE REVENUE.
THEY AMOUNT TO ABOUT $10 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW HIGH LEVEL.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT, THE SECOND THING WOULD BE, IF YOU LOOK ON THIS ON PAGE ONE, I HANDED OUT PAGE, PAGE 30.
ONE OF WHAT I HANDED OUT LIKE THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON PAGE NUMBERS MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT OKAY, THANKS.
31 SAYS THAT THIS IS GENERATING 40 OH FIFTY ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY ONE BILLION, 400, TWO $51,402,000 WITH
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ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WE PUT IN TO DATE, YOU'VE GOT A DEFICIT OF ABOUT $905,000, SO ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.SO THE FIRST THING I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE IS OF THESE REQUESTS, WHICH ONES OF THEM DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER AND WHICH ITEMS OF THEM DO WE WANT TO TAKE OUT SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN RUN THIS.
WE'LL RUN THE SAME REPORT AGAIN, AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THAT NOW DOES TO BASICALLY THAT'S YOUR CONTINGENCY? THAT NINE OH FIVE IS CONTINGENCY.
NEGATIVE, CONTINUED NEGATIVE, BUT MINE IS DIFFERENT ON 30.
I WANT TO JUST TAKE THIS IF YOU'D NEED SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
CAUSE THE FIRST ONE I PRINTED WAS SO SMALL THAT THE JUDGE TOLD ME THAT WASN'T GOING TO FLY.
AS OF, AS A, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF ALL THE PARTS OF ALL THE REQUESTS.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE REQUESTS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU LAST WEEK, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S, WHAT YOU'VE GOT LAST WEEK IS A SUMMARY OF ALL THOSE REQUESTS, UH, KNOWING THAT THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T WHOLE, BECAUSE TAXES AND BENEFITS, RETIREMENT, ET CETERA, WILL HAVE TO BE TRUED UP.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME VARIANCE IN THERE, BUT JUST TAKE THEM BY DEPARTMENT.
THE BOTTOM ONE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
MA'AM WELL, NOT EXCEPT FOR INS.
DO YOU KNOW THAT INS RATE IS GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE YEAH, DRAMA ON ASS.
I NEED TO TELL Y'ALL SOMETHING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THE
I HAVE THE MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO PAY THEM OFF AND I'M GOING TO PAY IT OFF IN THE BOND FUND THAT HAS THE RADIO BOND.
I PUT EXTRA MONEY IN THERE AND IT'S IN THERE PAID.
SO I'M GOING TO GET TO RENT TWO OF THEM.
SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT REALLY, I JUST HAPPENED TO BUDGET IT BY ACCIDENT AND WHAT THAT WILL DO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BOTTOM NUMBER OF THAT, THAT TOTAL TAX RATE, WE'RE NOT THIS ISN'T A TAX RATE CONVERSATION BY ANY MEANS.
WE'RE NOT NEAR THERE YET, BUT KNOW THAT, BUT KNOW THAT INS WILL NOT HAVE TO BE THAT HIGH ON THIS WILL GO DOWN.
I ASKED THE JUDGE, IF I SHOULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO PAY FOR IT.
AND HE SAID, WELL, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE IT BUDGETED, JUST PAY IT OFF.
SO THAT'S WHAT, AND KNOW THAT I N S MONEY CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
ANYWAY, YOU JUST SIT INS AS INS.
IT STAYS SEPARATE OF ALL THE OTHER ACCOUNTS AND IT IS WHATEVER THE DADDY IS, WHATEVER THE DADDY IS TO BUY THE PROPERTY VALUE.
AND THEN THAT DOESN'T DOESN'T WAFFLE, BUT NO, THEY WILL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, 0.07, FIVE.
IF YOU REMEMBER ON THE BOND, WHEN WE SOLD THE BOND, WE WERE, WE WERE VERY TRANSPARENT.
AND WHEN WE SOLD THE BOND, WE WERE AT 71 FOR THIS YEAR.
WE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO THAT RATE'S GOING TO GO DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, HE'LL TALK TO, TO TRUE EVERYTHING UP.
THEY HAD TO CLOSE OUT THE CURRENT, I THINK IT WAS IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY.
THEY HAVE TO CLOSE THAT OUT FIRST, ONCE THEY CLOSE THAT OUT, THEN WE'LL GET A NEW NUMBER AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT INS WOULD BE.
IT'S GONE TO THE, OR WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE PAGE AND THE RED TAB.
TO ALL THE BUDGET REQUESTS, ALL OF THESE REQUESTS.
AND SO YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE REQUESTS BY DEPARTMENT THAT, UM, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF, I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THEM.
HOWEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS.
WE CAN DO THEM DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN TAKE THEM ALL OUT AND START, START AT ZERO.
CAUSE THE ONLY THING IS COMMISSIONER HUNTED ASS IS COULD HE SEE A BUDGET THAT HAD NO REQUEST IN IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUDGET AS LAST YEAR.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT TO COMPARE.
SO YOU LOOK IN YOUR NOTEBOOKS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS HANDED OUT LAST WEEK, YOU'VE GOT A PAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS KIND OF A SUMMARY PAGE FROM THE RED TAB, SECOND PAGE, THE THIRD.
AND IT JUST, AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST KIND OF BY DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY ADD UP TO, UM, ROUGHLY WITHOUT TRUING UP ALL THE SALARY TAXES AND BENEFITS THAT GO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SIT THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE THE SAME THINGS SUMMARIZED HERE? THAT'S JUST THE PAYROLL.
SO, SO WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW? WHAT WOULD YOU THINK? I MEAN, NOT TODAY, BUT WHEN WE COME BACK OUR NEXT MEETING TO TAKE ALL OF THE WAGE INCREASES OUT OF THESE REQUESTS.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO SET THAT MONEY ASIDE, YOU KNOW, A
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BIG LUMP SUM TO, TO LOOK AT THE WAGE REQUESTS AFTER THE WAGE CLASSIFICATION STUDY COMES IN, WE COULD TAKE THOSE OUT NOW AND THAT'S GONNA GIVE US A BETTER, MORE TRUE PICTURE.I THINK THAT WHERE WE ARE, OKAY, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO POOL THE MONEY FOR LACK OF TERM OF THE RIGHT TERM, MAYBE YOU JUST PULL THE MONEY UNTIL WE GET THE SURVEY BACK.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT UP, TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE SERVICE.
RIGHT? THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE TO, I DIDN'T, I WAS NOT PART OF THE DETAILS OF THE SURVEY, BUT IS THE SURVEY GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH STAFFING GUIDES OR NOT? I DON'T THINK SO.
JUST WAGES AND EMPHASES IN CLASS.
SO COMMISSIONER CASE, DAD, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEN WAGES ADDED UP TO 1.12, THE TOTAL REQUEST WAS 1.4, RIGHT? SO AS YOU CAN SAY, THE LION'S SHARE OF THE REQUEST ARE ALL GOING TO BE OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE
AGAIN, THAT NUMBER IS A NUMBERS.
NOT EXACT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TAX.
THEY DON'T HAVE THEM SEPARATE NEW POSITIONS.
TOTAL, EVERYTHING WAS, WAS 1.4.
DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SKEWING GOING ON IN YOUR NUMBERS BECAUSE LAST YEAR WAS BUDGET INCLUDED.
IS IT CLEMENT'S OR TRAVIS? WHICH ONE WE LOSE? WE LOST, WE LOST CLEMENTS.
THAT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS OFFSET BY REVENUE.
RIGHT? AND YOU HAD SCHOOL OFFICERS, THERE'S OFFICERS OFFSET BY REVENUE.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH APPLES TO APPLES, BUT NOBODY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POSITIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF SKEWING IN THERE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SEE THIS SHEET, NEXT TIME, SHOULD WE TAKE FOR NOW? SHOULD WE TAKE THE WAGE AND THE NEW POSITIONS OUT OF THAT NUMBER? WELL, I THINK THE NEW POSITIONS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON NEW POSITIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DIRECTORS OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS COME IN AND JUSTIFY TO US THE NEED FOR THE NEW POSITION, NEW POSITIONS.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE REQUEST FOR SALARY, YOU PRETTY MUCH LAID THAT OUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING IS DON'T ASK FOR PAY INCREASES, GIVE US YOUR NEEDS.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT SHOULDN'T HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS CAUSE YOU WERE TOLD AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DENYING ANYTHING.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING THAT OFF UNTIL WE GET THE RESULTS OF THE WEIGHT.
YES, BUT I MEAN, AND I, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IF SOMEBODY IS MAKING $50,000 A YEAR AND THE WAGE IN CLASSIFICATION SHOWS THAT THAT'S A $40,000 A YEAR JOB AND THEY'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, A $10,000 INCREASE, THEN I WOULD SAY, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT NO, NO.
HOW ARE WE PRETTY CONFIDENT WHEN THAT SURVEY IS GOING TO BE RECURRENT? UM, I DON'T KNOW, DEFINE CONFIDENCE.
I THINK NOVEMBER IS THE DATE THAT I REMEMBER.
DO YOU REMEMBER KAREN? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
I WAS TOLD MAYBE OCTOBER, BUT WANTING TO GO BECAUSE BE CONSERVATIVE AND GO TO NOVEMBER, WE KNEW IT.
WASN'T GOING TO BE READY BY BUDGET.
SO, SO THAT PUSHES, THAT DOES WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
ANYWAY, IT PUSHES IT INTO THE, YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDER IF, IS THERE A, IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT A DAUGHTER ON THIS, CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A, IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY THAT INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAGES EVER, IF WE JUST STARTED SAYING, OKAY, WE COULD DO WAGE INCREASES IN JANUARY.
I KNOW THAT'S A HARD THING, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU HAD IT REJECTED SO THAT ALL THE EXTRA MONEY THAT WE HAD CAME ROLLING BACK IN AND WICKED THIS AND MADE IT, AND THEN IT WENT FROM JANUARY TO DECEMBER EVERY YEAR, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON, IN A SENSE, THEN YOU'D ALWAYS HAVE THAT MONEY THAT YOU COULD BUDGET FOR IT IN JANUARY.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WAGES COULD BE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
WELL, THAT'S WHY, INSTEAD OF JUST EVEN DOING THAT AND SAYING LET'S, THIS PROBLEM IS IF WE HAVE TO PUNCH IT IN OR IT RUNS ROLLS INTO A FUND BALANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UNLESS WE BUDGETED, YOU WOULD HAVE UPSIDE IN ONE YEAR AND YOU HAVE DOWNSIDE THE NEXT, BECAUSE YOUR CALENDAR WOULD SHIFT.
SO YOU'D HAVE A CALENDAR SHIFT TO THE GOOD, THE FIRST YEAR YOU HAVE A COUNTER SHIFT TO THE BAT THE NEXT YEAR.
SO YOU HAVE TO BUDGET ACCORDINGLY, SAME THING AS YOU NEVER SHIFTED, YOU ALWAYS DO IT.
AND THEN THAT MAKE PEOPLE QUIT.
YOU GET THE IMPACT THE FIRST TIME YOU DID IT.
YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE THAT.
YOU HAVE THE DOWNSIDE THE FIRST YEAR.
AND THEN FROM THERE, I DON'T THINK BALANCE KEYSTONE WITH THE MONEY.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SCHEDULING AND UNKNOWN, WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH, WHAT YOU HAVE THE DEAL WITH.
SO YOU WOULDN'T REALLY, DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR FUND BALANCE WAS? MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOVERNMENT, IT TAKES TIME.
IT TAKES SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY OUT OF IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE.
CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR HERE AND AGAIN, I'M SAYING THE SAME THING.
WE GO THROUGH THE SAME MESS ABOUT, ABOUT,
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WAIT, WAIT, THE PREVIOUS COUNTY JUDGE, THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE, EVERYBODY SAYS THE SAME THING.DO NOT ASK ME FOR ANY INCREASES.
EVERY DEPARTMENT PUTS IN FOR NEW INCREASE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY ASK ME, I DON'T MIND THEM PUTTING THAT IN THERE.
I MEAN, BUT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THROWS THE NUMBERS AND WE JUST TAKE THEM OUT AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, BUT SO WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR NAME HAVE THEM IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING, LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY THE EXCESS $2 MILLION FROM 20:20 AM.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT THE, WHEN, WHEN THIS CLOSES OUT, THERE'S $2 MILLION ON SPENT AND, AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
I'M JUST PICKING A NUMBER OUT OF THE YEAR AND USING THAT MONEY TWO MONTHS LATER TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH, IF ANY RAISES WE CAN FUND.
SO WHAT'S THE IMPLICATION OF THAT FOR THE BUDGET THOUGH.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU HANG ON TO LAST YEAR'S MONEY? SHE DID THAT WHENEVER THEY, WHEN THEY DID THE STEP INCREASES.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN THEY DID THE STEP INCREASE WITH SOME YEARS AGO.
IS SHE PARKED THAT MONEY? FUN BALANCE? I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD.
I WOULD ONLY THINK ONLY MY ONLY COMMENT TO THAT, THAT QUESTION WOULD BE, IF YOU ZERO OUT YOUR FUND BALANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOURSELF IN SOME TROUBLE, ZERO ON THAT EXISTING FUND BALANCE.
IF THEY'LL CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR FUND BALANCE EVERY WELL, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO IF THE FUND BALANCE, IF IT COMES TO A YEAR, IF THE CARRY OVER IS $2 MILLION, THIS UNSPENT MONEY IS $2 MILLION.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU TAKE A MILLION OF THAT AND SET IT ASIDE IN A CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT.
AND THE OTHER MILLION JUST FLOWS INTO THE FUNDS AND THE FUND.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND EVERY YEAR, AND THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST SOME MANNER OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON WAGES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY DON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST SALARIES YOU'RE AT ONE, ONE, YOUR PRE-FUNDING INCREASES FOR THE NEXT FEW FUNDING.
PRE-FUNDING PRE-FUND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE IT A, AND IT JUST GIVES YOU THAT AND IT GIVES YOU THAT CUSHION ANYWAY, HERE'S A, AND HERE'S KIND OF AN IDEA THAT, ABOUT THAT CONCEPT.
IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE FOUR, JUST TO GIVE YOU RIGHT THERE AND THE REVENUE IS RESERVED FINE BALANCE THAT WE PRESENTED SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DO, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
HERE'S THE THING IS IT'S SORTA LIKE IF WE, IF WE CAN END THE YEAR IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION, AS FAR AS OUR SPENDING GOES, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR PERSONNEL.
WELL, THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT EVEN GIVE PEOPLE MORE INITIATIVE TO SAVE MONEY BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S GOING.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
SEE, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T DRIVE FORWARD, SOMETIMES A LOT BUTTON GOES OFF.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE FUND BALANCE AND GENERAL FUND, I HAVE A RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE OF $250,000 THAT WE HAD PUT ASIDE FOR THAT SHOW, THAT ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED IS THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT WAYS OF IDENTIFYING IN DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE COULD USE.
WELL, I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET THE SURVEY BACK IN, I MEAN, CAUSE WE ALL TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SURVEY, THERE'S NO SENSE OF WASTING THE MONEY FOR A SURVEY.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND DO WHAT EXACTLY AND WE ALL COMMITTED TO USING IT AND THEN GIVE US THAT, GIVE US GOOD EXCUSE TO TRY THIS GOOD EXPERIMENT, TO GO TO JANUARY WITH IT OR JUST TO JUST, AND WE JUST SET ASIDE A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE JUST KIND OF ROLL IN THE ASS AND WHAT, WHAT OUR SALARY IS.
AND YOU'RE SAYING NUMBER SAYING THAT WAS ONE, FOUR, INCLUDING BENEFITS, MUSCLE MINIMUM, ONE TIME, PROBABLY ONE FIVE OUT OF.
SO WE COULD SET ASIDE, COULD WE SET ASIDE ONE FIVE IN A RESERVE FUND BALANCE OUT OF THE POTENTIAL TO SIX AND THEN ALLOW THE RESIDUAL TO ROLL INTO THE, TO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
ALL GREAT EXTRA MONEY THAT WOULD ON, ON, ON WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MR. HUNTER, I HEARD YOU SAY DON'T TAKE OUT THE NEW POSITIONS UNTIL WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO HELP WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY? SO I'LL TAKE OUT ALL THE RAISE REQUESTS.
I'LL TAKE ALL THOSE OUT AND THAT NUMBERS AREN'T GOING TO COME DOWN AND CONSIDERABLY, RIGHT? I KNOW YOUR NUMBERS STILL GOING TO BE PRETTY HIGH BECAUSE THE BULK OF IT IS, WELL, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE NOT.
SO I'LL TAKE ALL THE RAISES OUT FIRST.
SO THE RAISE REQUESTS OUT OF THE BUDGET, I'LL LEAVE IN ALL THE NON PERSONNEL ITEMS, COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, REPAIRS, OFFICE FURNITURE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
AND I'LL LEAVE IN THE NEW POSITIONS AT BASE SALARY.
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THAT FOR DRAFT TO ALSO TRUE UP THE REVENUE BASED UPON THE AGREED DISTRIBUTION OF TAX RATE OR DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS.I'LL TRUE THAT REVENUE UP DO KNOW THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A CERTIFIED ROLL TILL JULY 25TH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PRETTY COOL.
IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY TIGHT AND WE'VE GOT TO PRINT A NEW, WE GOT TO DO OUR PROPOSED BUDGET, JULY 30TH.
SO WE'RE PRETTY TIGHT THROUGH THERE.
DO WE KNOW THAT ON THE 27TH, YOU HAVE TO DO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES.
YOU HAVE TO GET THOSE LETTERS OUT.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WITH THIS PROCESS, YOU CAN'T DO IT LIKE THE FACIALS IN JANUARY.
WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN'T NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SET THOSE.
YOU HAVE TO SET THEM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE WAGE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO START THE BEGINNING.
YOU GOT TO BE VERY, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR, LOOK AT WHAT THE FIRST PAY PERIOD.
WE'RE USING JANUARY 5TH, BUT YOU WANT IT TO BE A LINEUP JUST TO BE CLEAR IN YOUR LETTER THAT THIS RACE DOESN'T START UNTIL THIS DATE AND YOUR NEW ANNUAL SALARY WOULD BE PRORATED FROM JANUARY ONE TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.
JERRY PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY I LIKED THIS SHEET THAT YOU HAD ME PUT TOGETHER, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY ONE D ONE DEPARTMENT PUT IN FOR THEM A $14,000 RAISE.
HIGHER THAN ANY OF THE THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND IF WE HAD THE OTHER SHEET, YOU WOULD SEE THE THREE YEAR HISTORY, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING NOW AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO YOU COULD SAY, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR SO MUCH, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
WE'RE DOING THIS OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE WHITE VISITORS.
YOU SEE THAT, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY WAS OF HOW FAR THEY HAVE CAME UP THE CHAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE.
I ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WORKING ON YOUR WORKBOOK TO GET IT, TO GET SOME HISTORICAL DATA ON ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I'VE GOT NOW UNTIL THIS TIME TOMORROW, THIS TIME I'LL GET BUSY.
SHE'S SO KAREN DOES, MOST OF THE WORK.
AND SO, SO I'M GONNA TAKE OUT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE RAISES.
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE INTO POSITIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE ALL THE OTHER NINE PERSONNEL REQUESTS IN THERE AND GET YOU A FIRST BLUSH AT WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN SLIGHTLY TO WHAT'S IN THERE NOW, RIGHT NOW, YOUR DEFICIT'S NOT HER 90,000.
SO I SUSPECT THAT WILL COME DOWN TO WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
AND THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT OPEN POSITIONS AND OTHER REQUESTS AND WE CAN, WE CAN STRIP THOSE OUT OF THERE.
AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UH, ARE WE ON FOR TOMORROW? IS EVERYTHING FOR THE SIXTH, THURSDAY, THURSDAY, THURSDAY, TOMORROW.
I GOT TWO DAYS TO DO ALL THAT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT, THAT CHALLENGING.
DO Y'ALL FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON A PATH HERE? AM I RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 11 POSITIONS REQUESTED AND THE NEW POSITIONS ARE ONLY SMILED.
I BEING THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST RAISE INCREASES IN DOLLARS OR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND A FEW DEPARTMENT HEADS.
YOU CAN, SHE CALLED OUT ONE OF THEM.
THERE'S A FEW OTHERS THAT ARE EQUALLY HIGH, MORE THAN 11 POSITIONS.
THERE'S ABOUT 11 POSITIONS SHOWN ON THIS SHAMING.
I JUST SEND YOU THE CHANGES TO MY DEPARTMENT.
IT TO CAUSE AREN'T THEY CHANGED HER TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, 10, 11, EXACTLY.
WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE CAN, I CAN, I CAN SEND THEM ALL A NOTE, SAY PLAN ON BEING HERE SOMETIME TOMORROW OR SOMETHING HAPPENED TWO O'CLOCK ON THURSDAY, COMMISSIONER'S LUNCH SCHEDULED.
I'LL GET HANDED OUT A SLOT I'M OUT SO WE CAN TALK TO THEM ONE BY ONE AND THEY CAN JUSTIFY THOSE POSITIONS.
ARE YOU GOING TO THURSDAY, THURSDAY? HE'S GOING TO BE HERE TOMORROW.
I'M GOING TO BE OVER HERE TOMORROW BY MYSELF IN THIS ROOM PRACTICING SO DEDICATED.
SO WE KINDA GOT OUR MARCHING ORDERS HERE, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK IT MIGHT SOLVE A LOT OF OUR UPSIDE DOWN THE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT TOO.
I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT IT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, MY COMPUTER DIED ON ME AND MY APPARENTLY WHEN I SENT OUT THE EMAIL ASKING FOR THE GIFT CARD TODAY.
UM, SO IF I COULD GET THE, IF KAREN, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD DO THE, THE ROAD AND BRIDGE ALLOCATION PIECE NUMBERS AND JUST MAKE SURE I'M, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS FOR THIS, BUT YEAH.
SO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THAT AT LEAST GOING DIRECTIONALLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO FIGURE WHAT THE 9 CENTS WE'RE STILL FIGURING THAT YOU ARE STILL FEELING ALMOST STAY AT 9 CENTS.
THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT, I MEAN, I'M OFF $61,000
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WHEN I DID MY MATH AGAINST THE OTHER MATH.AND I THINK IT'S JUST IN MY DECIMALS, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRUE IT UP.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM, THEY PUT HIM RAISES FOR THEIR REQUEST, BUT THEN THEY LEFT THE SORT OF SECURITY, THE RETIREMENT AND THE INSURANCE AND LIKE BLANK.
SO IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT IT, THANK YOU.
WELL, NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT.
THE BENEFITS ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT AS MUCH AS WE'RE GOING TO USE, WE'LL USE TWO SEPARATE SHEETS MOVING FORWARD TO CALCULATE.
KAREN HAS A REALLY NICE LABOR SHEET THAT SHE, THAT SHE HOSTS THAT THEY'LL GIVE YOU ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
AND SO WE CAN USE THAT TO GIVE US OUR TRUE PAYROLL NUMBER.
AND WE'LL USE, AND THEN WE'LL PLUG THAT INTO THIS OTHER ONE.
WELL, THAT SHEET THAT WE GAVE THEM, THAT'S THE CURRENT THAT'S CURRENT.
IT'S NOT CHANGING OUR RIGHTS TO SIGN.
NOT SO ALL WE'LL DO, THE AUTO WILL DO TO THAT IS ADD NEW POSITIONS THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED ONE POSITION.
WE'LL SAY IT IN THIS WEEK, WE GOT A VACANT ONE.
IF PEOPLE JUST LISTEN TO THEM AND SEE, BEFORE WE GO DO ALL THE WORK ABOUT PUTTING THEM IN.
THIS IS GOING TO HELP YOUR BUDGET PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE, LIKE HE SAID, I GO, YES, THIS MORNING.
THEY KNOW BETTER ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T, MOST OF US DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT THEIR DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING.
SO TAKING OUT RAISES, LEAVING, LEAVING IN THE REQUESTS FOR NOW AND KEEPING ALL THE OUT OF ALL THE NON PERSONNEL REQUEST IN.
SO WHAT TIME ARE WE ON THURSDAY? I BELIEVE IT'S THURSDAY AFTERNOON.
THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL SAID THE OTHER DAY.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN THE WORKSHOP NINE O'CLOCK IS ALLOWED TO GET UP OR LIKE YOU TEND TO SPEND SENT OUT NINE O'CLOCK YOU AGENDAS OUT AT 2:00 PM.
WELL, YEAH, I KNOW THE AGENDA WAS SENT OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 9:00 AM.
UH, GENTLEMEN Y'ALL NEED ANYTHING FROM ME.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SO WHEN YOU TOLD ME EVERYTHING, YOU NEED THIS, MY GIFT CARD BACK.
NO, MY NIECE, MY NIECE NEEDS THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO PUT INTO THE CONVERSATION? I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG WITH THIRSTY.
I THINK WE NEED THE, DURING THIS, THIS IS MAYBE WRAPPED UP INTO JULY, RIGHT? WELL, THE, YEAH, THE DRAFT HAS TO BE OUT THERE BECAUSE JEWELER, I MEAN, BUT WE GOT WORKING BUDGET HAS TO BE POSTED JULY 30TH.
SO 1ST OF AUGUST I CAN, BUT WE GOT MEETINGS SCHEDULED.
WE GOT MEETINGS SCHEDULED AFTER THAT, BUT MAYBE WE'LL PUT IT TO MY ADOPTION.
I BELIEVE WE'RE ADOPTING, WE'RE SHOOTING TO ADOPT THE BUDGET ON THE 18TH OF AUGUST.
YOU GOT TO HAVE A TAX HEARING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUDGET HEARING, BUT WE CAN DO THEM BOTH IN THE SAME DAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.
WHEN ANYONE CARED, IT MAKES A SECOND.
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