* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] APRIL 24TH, 2006 TODAY. HONOR, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY, AND HONOR THIS. THIS MORNING. WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE MR. ROUND COMMISSIONER SHANE A SAFE TRIP BACK TO US AND HONOR, KEEP THEM SAFE WHILE WE'RE AWAY. HONOR GREATNESS, WISDOM, AND HELP FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR WILL IN JESUS NAME. COMMISSIONER ROUND AND COMMISSIONER, UH, SHANE ARE AT A LEADERSHIP, UH, COUNTY LEADERSHIP SCHOOL THROWN ON BY, UH, BG YOUNG INSTITUTE FOR TEXAS A M. SO THEY ARE, UH, IN A LEARNING PROCESS TODAY, SO THEY WON'T BE HERE SINCE THEY'RE IN WASHINGTON DC. LEARN HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OPERATES IN CONJUNCTION WITH COUNTY GOVERNMENT. YEAH. UH, Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING WITH ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DUN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LI. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. JIM, JIM, AUDITOR AND TREASURER. HAVE A COPY OF IT. THE BACKUP FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. I SEE JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN OUT THERE. ANY OTHER VETERANS HERE? MR. WILLIAMS? VETERAN. WELL, UH, I, I'M SORRY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER FORMING A PERMANENT BOARD FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND, UH, THAT GROUP THAT, UH, DID THE MEMORIAL AND PUT IT TOGETHER, UH, THEY RECOMMENDED, UH, THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE, UH, TO, TO SERVE AS A PORT PARK BOARD, UH, TO OVERSEE THE OPERATION THERE AT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND FROM PRECINCT ONE RAY RAYMOND TO SERVE A ONE YEAR TERM PRECINCT. TWO JAMES RNE TO SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM, UH, NOTATION. MR. JAMES RNE WAS THE GREATEST INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTOR TO THE PARK. HE GAVE $18,000 PRECINCT THREE, JOE ROGERS, TWO YEAR TERM PRECINCT FOUR, WILLIAM MAY BECKER, ONE YEAR TERM, AND A LARGE MEMBER JAMES F CRASH FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. AND, UH, GENTLEMEN, THOSE ARE THE MOVERS AND SHAKERS THAT GOT THE MEMORIAL STARTED AND GOING, AND I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE POINT THEM AS THE FIRST, UH, MEMORIAL DEPARTMENT BOARD. THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DULLER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD ON AFFAIRS A, AYE, YOU NEED ONE, LAURA? I, UH, JUST USE HIS THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, AND I, I, I SURE. I'M GLAD THAT, THAT WE DID THAT MEMORIAL. THAT, THAT IS BETTER THAN A LOT OF STATE MEMORIALS. AND, UH, I JUST BOUGHT THE SYRIA VANDER BROTHERS AND IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NEAT AFTER HAVING TO WATCH THAT WHOLE THING RUN TWO VETERANS, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, IT, IT WAS AN AWESOME THING. WENT THROUGH. YES, IT WAS. NEXT WE HAVE THE PIECE. THERE YOU ARE. I COULDN'T SEE BECAUSE OF THE, I JUST WALKED, I GUESS THIS IS WHERE RESPONSE. OKAY. UH, DISCUSSED. CONSIDER PROVEN RESOLUTION SUPPORTING COMAN COUNTY'S JUVENILE PROBATION CJD GRANT APPLICATION AND THE [00:05:01] AMOUNT OF 41,000 FOR JUVENILE BANKRUPTCY PREVENTION. AND INTER LAURA, I JUST, UM, WHEN I DID THAT, I WANTED TO PUT ALL THE INFORMATION ON THERE. SO IN CASE YOU HAD QUESTIONS, IT WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. UM, ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO GRANTS THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION. BOTH OF THESE GRANTS ARE CONTINUATION PROJECTS. THE FIRST ONE FOR 41,000, UH, WILL BE NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE SECOND YEAR. SO THIS YEAR WE ARE IN THE FIRST YEAR. UM, THESE ARE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE ROUTINELY, UM, APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED THROUGH COG, IT'S CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION MONIES, UM, THAT COME THROUGH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AND WE HAVE TWO OF THEM GOING AT THIS TIME. THE $29,000 ONE, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE. THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF THIS FUNDING. THESE GRANTS DO NOT REQUIRE MATCHING FUNDS. SOME DO THESE DON'T, THEY JUST DECREASE EACH YEAR. SO WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE OR WE FIND WAYS TO MAKE UP THE PROGRAM IN, IN OTHER WAYS. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY BOTH ARE. UM, THEY'RE BOTH CONTINUATION PROJECTS. ONE IS FOR, UH, TREATMENT COORDINATOR, HANDLES ANGER MANAGEMENT, UM, FIRST OFFENDERS PROGRAMS, THAT SORT OF THING. AND THE OTHER IS STRICTLY FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES. KEN, ARE YOU STILL ON THAT CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE? UH, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, FOR RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE FIRST ONE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD. ALL IN THURSDAY. AYE. AYE. NEW AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE, UH, SECOND GRANT APPLICATIONS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LER ALL THURSDAY. AYE. AYE. UH, THANK YOU. LAURA, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. NO, UM, I, YOU ALREADY HAD THE CERTIFICATION FORM FOR THE FIRST GRANT. THE SECOND ONE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET, BUT WE'LL GET THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. THANK YOU, JUDGE. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. UH, NEXT WE HAVE IS RICHARD MURPHY. UH, PRESENT US THE KAUFMAN COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTORS MONTHLY COURT FOR MARCH. UM, DICK, I'LL MAKE AN OBSERVATION. I'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS OF THE LEGISLATURE. YOU KNOW, THIS TALKS ABOUT THE ADJUSTED TAX LEVY THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THEIR FINGER IN THE LEVEE. . OKAY. MAKE SURE THAT GETS IN THE MINUTE . OKAY. UH, THROUGH THE ONE, THE MARCH IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE COLLECTED 19.372 MILLION, WHICH IS 91% OF THE CURRENT LEVY. WE'VE COLLECTED 507,000, WHICH IS JUST 32% OF THE DELINQUENT LEVY. WE'RE TRYING HARDER ON THE DELINQUENT FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE AGAIN, UH, WE COLLECTED 91%, WHICH IS 2.6 6000026% OF THE DELINQUENT ROLE, WHICH IS 63,000, INCLUDING PENALTIES AND INTEREST. AND ATTORNEY FEES IS 90, ALMOST 98,000. ANY QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA GET THIS REPORT REVISED SO THAT WE HAVE A COMPARISON FOR LAST YEAR, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MEANINGFUL. YEAH. OKAY. UH, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, DAVID. YES, SIR. UH, NEXT WE HAVE IS OUR COUNTY TREASURER, JOHN COUNCILMAN. AND HE'S GONNA BRING US THE, UH, TREASURER'S REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH AND ALSO THE COURTLY REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING IN MARCH AND A INVESTMENT REPORT. I'LL SEE YOU LATER. . UH, I'VE GOT A NICE LITTLE SPI HERE, JUDGE, BUT Y'ALL CALL, I NEVER REQUEST. I NEED, SAY ANYTHING IS OUTLINED. LIKE, COMMENT ABOUT THAT DEV PARK. UH, WE RECEIVED OUR WORD. WE WILL GET A, A TANK, YOU KNOW, DISPLAY OUT THERE. AND IF SOME KEY MILITARY GUY CAN HELP ME WITH TERMINOLOGY FOR ANY AIRCRAFT WEAPON, [00:10:01] I GET THAT. I DUNNO WHAT THOSE STUFF. UH, RIFLE TERMINOLOGY. AND WHAT KIND OF TAKE, IS IT THE NEIGHBOR M 68? SHE SAY, SHE DIDN'T SAY, I TOLD, I REALLY CARE WHICH ONE IT WAS FIRST. AND SHE THAT'S APPROVED AND I TOOK ALL TROUBLE. WE HAD, I TOLD YOU, YOU HAVE TO SIGN TWO LETTERS. I DID NOT USE THE WORD PLACE THE EQUIPMENT AT THE PARK AND WORD PLACE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THEN SHE WANTED A REAL, REAL ACCOUNTING, A COMMISSIONER, NOT A JUDGE. SIGNED A LETTER. DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND APPARENT SHE COMES FROM COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER IS A FIVE DOG COUNTY, I THINK BE S HERE. WELL, BUT YOU HAD TO SIZE ALL OF OUR STUFF OUT CASE. SO GOT THAT FIXED. BUT, UH, SHE DIDN'T GIMME A TIMEFRAME. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT SHOULD BE PRETTY FAST. TANK WE TO GO GET IT. GETTING CALLED IN. GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF. THE RULE IS YOU MUST HAVE CALLED IN BY COMMON CARRIER, BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST A RECOMMENDATION INVOLVED. UH, I SAID WE'LL GO GET IT AND ALWAYS HAVE TWO PEOPLE WITH AT ALL TIMES ON WAY HERE. THEN WE CAN GET, I MEAN, I'VE GOT A LICENSE FOR HIM. 48 60, 68. ONE I DON'T HAVE LICENSE FOR. PROBABLY DIDN'T REALIZE THE JUDGES WERE LISTEN. THAT'S RIGHT. . . THEY ASSUMED YOU WERE AN OFFICER . THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ON THE, UM, TREASURER'S MONTHLY REPORT FOR MARCH, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLER. ALL IN MOTION CARRIES. UH, ALSO WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE QUARTERLY REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING MARCH. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AND WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE MONTHLY 4 7 4 7 7 4 7 5 IN THE ALL BY COMMISSIONER LER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU, JOHN. NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSSION. CONSIDER CONSOLIDATING POLLING LOCATIONS OF MAY ELECTIONS. DICK IS THAT TWO, WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE POLLING PLACES, AS YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE'RE DOING CERTAIN CITIES SCHOOLS AS WELL AS THE COUNTY ELECTIONS. AND THE STIPULATION WAS THAT WE WOULD RUN THE, ALL THE ELECTIONS, BUT EVERYBODY HAD TO MOVE TO OUR POLLING PLACE TO VOTE. AND THE INTENT WAS, UH, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, WE ADDED A FIFTH EARLY VOTING PLACE AT THE COMBINE, CRANDALL COMMUNITY CENTER, IN ADDITION TO EACH OF THE, EACH SUB COURTHOUSES. AND, UH, THEN THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE AT THEIR NORMAL COUNTY POLLING PLACE. THE PROBLEM WE DISCOVERED WAS THAT IN MAY, THERE A LOT OF WEDDINGS AND ALL, A LOT OF OUR POLLING PLACES ARE CHURCHES AND THEREFORE THEY TURNED OUT, THERE'S FOUR OF THEM WE COULDN'T USE BECAUSE OF CONFLICT WITH WEDDINGS. FORTUNATELY, THEY'RE ALL IN THE TARRELL SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO, UH, THE, WE GOT TOGETHER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE'RE COMBINING ALL OF THE AFFECTED POLLING PLACES INTO ONE POLLING PLACE. AND ACTUALLY IT WILL BE THE BRUCE WOOD INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER VIRTUALLY OF ALL THOSE POLLING PLACES. SO IT'S A REAL LOGICAL COMBINATION THAT WILL BE ONE THAT EASY TO DIRECT VOTERS. TWO. AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN ACTUALLY GET THE WORD OUT REALLY GOOD. SO OUR REQUEST ON THE FIRST PLACE IS TO CONSOLIDATE PRECINCT 19 20, 27 AND 38 INTO THE BRUCE WOOD INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL AT 1 21 POETRY ROAD TAR. IN ADDITION, ONE OF OUR POLLING PLACES IN THE KAUFMAN AREA, UH, AS A FIRE HAS A, UH, AIR CONDITIONING PROBLEM. THE AIR CONDITIONER DOESN'T WORK. UH, SO BECAUSE [00:15:01] WE DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN EVEN BE FIXED, UH, WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND CONSOLIDATE THAT PLACE IT, UH, WITH WHERE IT'S BEEN CONSOLIDATED BEFORE. SO PRECINCTS 13 AND 14 WILL BOTH VOTE AT THE FAITH BAPTIST CHURCH. IT'S 6 0 1 3 F 29 IS, UH, IS THIS BRUCE WOOD INTERMEDIATE? HAVE WE EVER HAD AN ELECTION THERE BEFORE? WE HAVE NOT. IS DOES IT NOT NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE OR NOT? IT WILL BE IN PROCESS AS SOON AS YOU APPROVE IT. WE'LL, IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A SATURDAY. THE SCHOOLS, I GUESS THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT GETS APPROVED, BUT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ONE AT THE, WHERE THE EARLY VOTING IS AT THE SUB. NO EARLY VOTING'S THE SAME. NO, BUT ON ELECTION DAY THAT AT THAT POLLING PLACE WON'T BE OPEN ON NO, IT WILL BE OPEN. OH, IT WE'RE JUST CONSOLIDATING. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE, BUT ONE IS OVER THERE BY WALMART. IT'S A CHURCH, ONE IS OUT ON POETRY ROAD, UH, ONE IS ON FRANCIS STREET OR SOMETHING, AND THE OTHER ONE, THOSE FOUR ARE GOING TO SCHOOL. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE THE SAME. AND, AND SOME WILL CONSOLIDATED. UH, NO, THE SUB COURT HOUSE IS ONE ANYWAY, SO. OKAY. IT ALWAYS HAD TO, WE DID ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE POLLING LOCATIONS IN THE MAY ELECTION AS REQUESTED. SO, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DISCUSSION. CONSIDER ADVERTISE FOR BIDS OR RFPS FROM COUNTY. HAVE CLEANUP, JACK. UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE OPTIONAL CLAUSES ON THE CONTRACTS. YES, SIR. WE HAVE RENEWAL OPTION AND WE'D LOVE TAKING THAT, UH, ACTION RATHER THAN REBID. OKAY. IT'D BE THE SAME PRICE AS LAST TIME THERE WAS A, UH, ESCALATION CLAUSE, 4.6%. AND, UH, I GET RECORD. LAST YEAR WE WERE AT, BEFORE THE HURRICANE SEATED, WE WERE AT A DOLLAR 75 PER GALLON FOR FUEL. AND NOW THAT WE'RE AT THERE, THREE THINKS MUCH BETTER THAN WE DID. OKAY. UH, NO ACTION TAKEN. UH, JERRY'S NOT HERE. I MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. MOTION TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE FILING OF DALLAS CROWN SLAUGHTER REPORT FOR THE WEEKEND IN APRIL 14TH WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD. ALL IN SAY A AYE, ACKNOWLEDGE MY MACHINE WON'T LET PUT ANYBODY ELSE'S NAME IN THERE. UH, TESTING. CONSIDER PASSING A COUNTY MUNICIPAL SOLID PLACE FACILITY ORDINANCE DEVELOPMENT INTENT. I, HI. MORNING JUDGE. I'M SCOTT AK WITH RW MAC. AND BEFORE I GET STARTED, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL. I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT I CAN USE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. UM, OKAY. YEAH. LET ME GIVE THE COURT A LITTLE BIT IF I HAD A, FORGOT WHAT EXACTLY THIS WAS. NO PROBLEM. UH, WHEN THE LEGISLATURE AND ITS WISDOM A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, IF WE DO NOT PASS AN ORDINANCE, THEN WHEN THE STATE COMES DOWN TO EVOKE SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL SITES, IF WE HAVE DESIGNATED AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT THIS CAN BE DONE, THEN THEY'LL CHOOSE WHERE TO PUT THEM ON IF THEY CHOOSE TO PUT ONE IN HOFFMAN COUNTY. SO HAVING KIND OF GIVE THAT LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, OUR COMPANY IS, UH, GOING AROUND AND, UH, WORKING WITH COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE TO BASICALLY EDUCATE THE MISSION OF COURT COURTS ACROSS THE STATE ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IF WE CHOOSE TO TAKE ANY ACTION OFF. WELL, JUDGE, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS, UNLESS WE'RE GONNA SHOOT IT OUT, I DON'T THINK WE, WE HAVE ORDINANCE [00:20:02] . I THINK, I THINK WE PASSED COURT ORDERS ORDINANCES IN THE CITY. THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT WAS A SPECIAL, IS IT COUNTY SLASH MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE OR COUNTY DASH. IT'S KIND OF WEIRD TO HAVE COUNTY MUNICIPAL TOGETHER. IT'S, WELL, WHEN YOU COME TO SOLID WASTE, IT'S A WEIRD ANIMAL. WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU READ THIS 360 4, YOU CAN ONLY COME TO ONE CONCLUSION. WE DON'T RESOLUTION, WE LOSE ALL CONTROL. CONTROL. OKAY. YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN? SURE. HI, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SCOTT HASKER IAN, AND AS THE JUDGE SAID, I'M WITH R BECK. AND OUR FIRM HAS BEEN DETAINED ON SEVERAL PROJECTS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO ADDRESS, HELP THEM ADDRESS, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOLID WASTE ISSUES, OF WHICH I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOSE TODAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, PATRICIA REDFORD, UH, WHO IS WITH ME AS WELL, WHO'S ALSO SERVING AS THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER, UM, AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. AND WOULD BE SHE BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. THAT A BLIND HEAD LADY BACK THERE, DO YOU KNOW HER? THAT IS MS. MS. MARILYN MAY. OH, OKAY. NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, AND SO THE, THE QUESTIONS OR, OR DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT YOU ALL WERE JUST HAVING, UH, I THINK ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT DURING THIS COURSE OF, OF THIS PRESENTATION. BUT BY ALL MEANS, AS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 'CAUSE OUR INTENT HERE IS TO HELP YOU ALL, UH, JUST AS WE'RE TALKING TO THE OTHER COUNTIES WITHIN THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS REGION TO LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE. AND OUR ROLE IN, IN THIS PROCESS IS TO HELP YOU GET A SENSE OF WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE. AND THEN ALSO IF, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN DOING SO, TO ALSO HELP YOU, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD BE SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS. AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, UH, WHERE WE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE STEPS INVOLVED IN THAT. UH, AND THEN ALSO, UM, TO ALSO BRIEFLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON WITH REGARD TO RURAL COLLECTION. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL, UH, COLLECTION STATIONS IN, IN THE COUNTY, AND THEN ALL ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF WHERE YOU JUST RECEIVED THE GRANT FROM COG TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE. SO I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 'CAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS, UH, PROVIDING SOME POTENTIAL ASSISTANCE AS WELL. SO, AGAIN, I KNOW ON THAT FRONT YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME THINGS IN THE WORK, BUT, UH, WHAT COG IS ESSENTIALLY OFFERING IN, IN THAT REGARD IS THAT IF YOU HAVE INTEREST ALONG THOSE LINES, THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO CONSIDER SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND, UH, HELP WHERE WE CAN ASSIST YOU ALL IN POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING A PRELIMINARY WORK PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO ON THAT FRONT. UH, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN RETAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO ASSIST EACH OF THE COUNTIES ON THESE TWO ISSUES. FIRST OF WHICH IS THE, THE RURAL AND UNDERSERVED SOLID WASTE COLLECTION ISSUES. AND THEN THE SECOND IS, IS THE ONE THAT, THAT YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE, MINUTE AGO, AS FAR AS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH REGARD TO THE POTENTIAL SITING OF SALT WASTE FACILITIES? UH, THIS PRESENTATION IS GONNA BE, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES OR SO. UM, AND I CAN AGAIN, ON, ON ANY OF THESE ISSUES, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT 'EM IN MORE DETAIL, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST ASK A QUESTION AT, AT THE END, JUST WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE. BUT AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HERE AS A RESOURCE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. UH, AS, AS FAR AS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH, WITH ESSENTIALLY ILLEGAL DUMPING. AND, AND AS YOU ALL HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF YOUR TENURE HERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, MANY RURAL RESIDENTS IN TEXAS LACK, UH, CONVENIENT, AFFORDABLE, SOLID WASTE SERVICES. UH, THESE NUMBERS CAN BE AS HIGH AS 30 TO 40% IN PARTS OF OUR STATE. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY DID SOME WORK A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR, UH, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS WHERE WE FOUND THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF EFFORTS RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT CLEANUP AND PUBLIC EDUCATION, YOU COULD BE SPINNING OFF IN, IN THE RANGE OF, UH, 200 TO $400,000 A YEAR TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS. AND THEN ALSO, WHATEVER SERVICES ARE IN PLACE CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT A VERY [00:25:01] EFFICIENT TYPE OF A SYSTEM. UH, AND SO WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH COUNTIES ON IS TO ASSIST THEM IN PUTTING IN EITHER A NETWORK OF, OF COLLECTION STATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THAT YOU ALL ARE ON TRACK TO DOING HERE IN COFFMAN COUNTY. AND ANOTHER POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION IS, IS AN ORGANIZED COLLECTION SYSTEM WHERE WE ACTUALLY WOULD PROVIDE MORE HOUSE TO HOUSE COLLECTION SERVICES, AND THERE HAD CHANGES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, CLEAN IN 2001 SEVEN TO DO THAT APPLIES SUBMISSION OPTIONS WITH REGARD TO, UH, HOW YOU CAN ASSESS THE FEES TO PAY FOR THESE SERVICES. UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS WHETHER YOU WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN REALLY IN YOUR CASE, UH, DEVELOPING OR CONTINUING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PRELIMINARY WORK PLAN TO LOOK AT EITHER OPTIONS TO PROVIDE ORGANIZED COLLECTION SERVICES AND OR THE PLANNING AND AND DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, CITIZEN COLLECTION STATIONS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IN PLACE. ANOTHER POTENTIAL THING THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO IS WHETHER YOU'D WANT TO POTENTIALLY EVALUATE HOW YOU'RE GONNA FUND THESE STATIONS, UH, GOING FORWARD, ISSUES ALONG THESE LINES. AND SO YOU ALL AS A, AS A COUNTY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS. BUT IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN ALSO CONTINUE TO SEEK FUNDING, UH, FROM THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UH, FOR THESE TYPES OF ISSUES. UH, HOOD COUNTY, UH, JUST AS A CASE STUDY IS A, IS A COUNTY THAT DID ALSO RECENTLY RECEIVE A GRANT FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG, UH, FOR TWO PURPOSES. ONE IS, IS THE SITING ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN PLACE A SITING ORDINANCE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE TO EVALUATE COLLECTION OPTIONS WHERE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE COMPARING, UH, WHAT THE, UH, CURRENT PRACTICES ARE. AND THEN EVALUATING THE FEASIBILITY OF WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE. A NETWORK OF COLLECTION STATIONS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, AN ORGANIZED HOUSE TO HOUSE KIND OF COLLECTION SERVICES. AND THEN ALSO, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT SOME OF THE FUNDING OPTIONS MAY BE FOR THEM. SO I WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY COULD PURSUE IF YOU WOULD HAVE THAT INTEREST AS WELL. UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO NOW TALK ABOUT IS THIS ISSUE OF, UH, REGIONAL AND COUNTY MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE FACILITY SITING OPTIONS. AND THE REASON WHY, UH, WE HAVE THIS TITLE UP HERE IS WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IS WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS, UH, PROCESSES OR OPTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE CURRENTLY AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, UH, THAT IS AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AND THEN WHAT OPTIONS DO YOU ALL AS A COUNTY HAVE AND POTENTIALLY TAKE MORE CONTROL OF THESE ISSUES? ALSO, UH, A COMMENT WAS MADE A, A COUPLE MINUTES AGO AS FAR AS, UH, WHERE IT'S UNUSUAL TO SEE THE TERM COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL NEXT TO EACH OTHER. ONE THING MAYBE TO CLARIFY IN THAT CONTEXT, THAT THE TERM MUNICIPAL THERE IS REFERRING TO MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE. AND THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL DEFINITION OF, OF THAT TYPE OF WASTE. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY RELATE TO THE FORMAL DEFINITION OF A MUNICIPALITY OR A CITY. UH, THIS, THIS WHOLE ISSUE AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SOLID WASTE FACILITIES, BE 'EM, LANDFILLS OR TRANSFER STATIONS, IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR TEXAS COUNTIES. UH, YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE OUR, UH, METROPOLITAN AREAS LIKE, LIKE THE DALLAS FOR WITH METROPOLITANS CONTINUE TO GROW. AND SO THAT'S FILLING UP LANDFILLS, UM, ON A QUICKER BASIS. AND AS THOSE FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED CLOSER IN TO THE CITY CAPACITY, THERE'S A NEED TO LOOK FOR SITES. IN MANY CASES, THESE SITES ARE OFTEN IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL TEXAS COUNTIES THAT HAVE CONTESTED PROPOSED FACILITIES. AND WHAT IS, UH, FROM A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THE OUTCOME OF THESE CASES HAS, HAS OFTEN DEPENDED ON WHETHER A COUNTY HAS DEVELOPED A FACILITY SIGHTING ORDINANCE. AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE REASONS WHY THAT'S THE CASE IN A MINUTE. BUT ESSENTIALLY, FOR THOSE COUNTIES THAT HAVE WAITED UNTIL, UNTIL A FACILITY ASER PROPOSED IN THEIR COUNTY, HAVE GREATLY LIMITED WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL CONTROL THEY CAN HAVE OVER THE EVENTUAL OUTCOME OF WHETHER THAT POTENTIAL SITE WOULD ULTIMATELY RECEIVE A PERMIT OR NOT. UH, FIRST QUESTION THAT WE DO WANT TO ANSWER THOUGH IS, IS WHY IS THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG EXAMINING, UH, THIS PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE? UH, TRUE. YOU ALL HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS DIRECTED EACH OF THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENTS TO DO THIS. AND SO WHAT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY SAID IS THAT EACH COG MUST INCLUDE A REGIONAL CONFORMANCE EVALUATION PROCESS IN A SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO ESSENTIALLY THE STATE IS LOOKING TO EACH OF THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENTS FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER A POTENTIAL LANDLORD TRANSFER STATION IS GONNA BE COMPATIBLE [00:30:01] WITH ISSUES SUCH AS AS LAND USE AND THEN ALSO LOCAL COMMUNITY CONCERNS. SO IN THAT SENSE, IT GENERALLY SPEAKING IS A GOOD IDEA AS THE STATE HAS SAID. AND WE DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THE, THE STAFF OR THE EXPERTISE TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, WITHIN PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES. SO WE WANT THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT. UH, BUT WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IS WHETHER IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS HAS SAID, WAS THAT THEY WANT TO EVEN GO ONE STEP FURTHER POTENTIALLY TO REMOVE THE COG IN SOME SENSE OF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS AND TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT CONTROL AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. UH, AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S EVALUATION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, UH, IT IS ESSENTIALLY TWO PIECES OF, OF THE EQUATION HERE. ONE IS WHERE THEY WILL LOOK AT, AT LAND USE QUESTIONS THAT PRIMARILY FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT ARE ALREADY INCLUDED AS PART OF THE TCEQ RULES, UH, BUT ALSO ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES LIKE TRANSPORTATION, HOW HIGH IS THE LANDFILL GONNA BE IN GENERAL AESTHETICS. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ANY FACILITY APPLICANT IS GONNA NEED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THE ATTAINMENT OF THE REGIONAL SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT GOALS. AND SO IF, IF KAUFMAN COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD, WOULD DECIDE NOT TO PURSUE AN ORDINANCE, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE TYPES OF ISSUES THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, UH, BY, BY MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE OVER AT THE COUNCIL OF THE GOVERNMENTS TO ADDRESS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES. BUT AGAIN, UH, YOU ALL AS A COUNTY DEFINITELY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE MORE CONTROL OF THIS ISSUE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BECAUSE THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS WILL DEFER TO LAND USE CONFORMANCE RECOMMENDATION OF A COUNTY IF THE FOLLOWING SCENARIO EXISTS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY IF THE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED A SOLID WASTE FACILITY ORDINANCE, UH, BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 360 4 0.012 OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. AND SO, AGAIN, IF, IF THE COUNTY HAS NOT ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE, UH, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS GOING TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AS A PART OF ITS EVALUATION PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS PREVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT ON THE LAST SLIDE. UH, ONE, ONE THING TO NOTE HERE, IF YOU ALL AS A COUNTY DECIDE TO TAKE ACTION AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GONNA BE LEGALLY BINDING WITH THE FORCE OF LAW, HOWEVER, UH, IF THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS DOES ANYTHING, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE CONSIDERED AS A RECOMMENDATION AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, AND IS NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM GOING TO BE CONSIDERED LEGALLY BY, UH, THESE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF SLIDES JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION OF WHAT DO WE CONSIDER TO BE THE, AN OVERVIEW AS WELL AS SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES ABOUT THESE, THESE TYPES OF ORDINANCES. 'CAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, THIS IS IN MANY CASES NOT AN ISSUE THAT A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. UH, THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION WHERE A COUNTY CAN DESIGNATE SUITABLE AND UNSUITABLE, UH, SOLID WASTE FACILITY LOCATIONS WITHIN A COUNTY. THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNTIES HERE IN TEXAS THAT HAVE ORDINANCES IN PLACE. UH, MANY OF THESE ARE IN THE, THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA. UH, BUT THE FIRST ONE LISTED NAVARRO, UH, RECENTLY DID DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE LAST YEAR. AND ACTUALLY I, I DO HAVE, UH, A CASE STUDY IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO, TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT. IT'S ALSO AS A PART OF YOUR PACKET OF THE PROCESS THAT, THAT OUR FIRM ASSISTED NAVARRO WITH IN THAT REGARD. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU CAN DO, LOOKING AT THIS THIRD BULLET HERE AS FAR AS AN ORDINANCE, IS THAT A COUNTY CAN PROHIBIT THE DISPOSAL OF MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE OR INDUSTRIAL SOLID WASTE IN THE COUNTY, UH, IF THAT KIND OF WASTE IS CONSIDERED A, A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE. SO THIS IS THE BASIS FOR WHICH YOU CAN DEFINE AREAS THAT WOULD EITHER BE SUITABLE OR UNSUITABLE. AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, YOU CANNOT ADOPT AN ORDINANCE WHERE YOU WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY FACILITIES ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. UH, YOU DO HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, DESIGNATE SOME AREAS THAT WHERE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES COULD BE LOCATED. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE DON'T WANT ONE IN COUNTY AND BE DONE WITH, YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE A AREA YES, SIR. WHERE IT COULD BE BUILT RIGHT NOW. I, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY RAISES SOME, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE EXCITING. I, I, I HEAR YA. WE, UH, THAT'S PART OF, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO GO THROUGH IT. I I CAN. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY KIND OF REACTION. WHEN WE FIRST TALKED, STARTED TALKING WITH NAVARRO COUNTY ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND WE WERE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH WITH NEW, UH, A PROCESS WHERE WE LOOKED AT A SET OF VERY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA TO HELP THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE GONNA BE AREAS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY, UH, UNSUITABLE FOR REASONS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, WHERE THERE THEY [00:35:01] HAVE, UH, SEVERAL WATERS BO BODIES OF WATER THAT ARE, UH, DRINKING WATER SOURCES. AND SO FOR THOSE CASES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO BE LOCATED ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THOSE AREAS. ALSO, WE REALLY LOOKED AT, UH, COUNTY GROWTH PATTERNS, UH, WHICH IS AN ISSUE I KNOW IS, IS OF IMPORTANCE HERE IN COFFMAN COUNTY TO AN AREAS WHERE, UH, THEY'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH FOR EITHER RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES OR COMMERCIAL. THOSE ARE AREAS THAT WE ELIMINATED AS WELL. AND SO THERE'S NOT ANY DEFINED ANSWER AS FAR AS HOW MUCH AREA DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE AVAILABLE. BUT WHAT WE THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU MAKE A VERY OBJECTIVE APPROACH TO THIS SO THAT IF YOU'RE EVER SCRUTINIZED, UM, FROM A, A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND WHATEVER, THAT KIND OF QUESTIONING WOULD COME UNDER COME IN PLACE, YOU HAVE A VERY OBJECTIVE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF YOU HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS. UH, AND NOBODY WANTS ONE IN THEIR BACKYARD. THAT IS CORRECT. AT LEAST NOT, AT LEAST NOT USUALLY. HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH DID WHO, HOW MUCH DID THE COUNTY PAY FOR THEIR STUDY AND WHO PAID FOR IT? THEY, THEY RECEIVED, UM, ALL OF THE FUNDING FOR THEIR STUDY DIRECTLY FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AND THE COST FOR THAT WAS, UH, APPROXIMATELY $18,000. OKAY. UH, COUPLE OF THINGS THOUGH ABOUT THEIRS IS THAT, UM, AND THEY, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS HIRED OUR FIRM TO ASSIST WITH THAT. AND OUR WORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT STOPPED JUST FOR THE ANALYSIS WHERE WE, WHERE WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY ASSIST THEM WITH, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, THE ADOPTION PROCESS AND WRITING OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THAT THAT IS A PART OF THE, UH, SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT WE ARE, UH, CURRENTLY PERFORMING FOR HOOD COUNTY. SO THAT PROJECT, UH, IS ABOUT $23,000, UH, FOR THAT PIECE OF IT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SOMEWHERE IN A, IN PROBABLY ABOUT, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $25,000, UH, WORTH OF WORK. AND AGAIN, UH, THE, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WHILE I, I CERTAINLY CANNOT OFFER ANY KIND OF A GUARANTEE, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HERE IS THAT NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG, UH, IS DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN ENCOURAGING THOSE COUNTIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS ISSUE TO PURSUE GRANT FUNDING. UH, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, WELL, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT VERO COUNTY, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY SET UP CRITERIA AND THEY DECIDED, FIRST OF ALL, WHERE IT CAN'T GO AND NARROWED DOWN TO WHERE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LEFT AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU THROW OUT FLOOD POINTING AND POPULATION DENSITY AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT LEFT, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE LAST SLIDE HERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES LEFT RIGHT. WHERE YOU COULD PUT 'EM AND, UH, BUT WOULD, UH, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WE JUST NEED TO APPLY FOR A GRANT THROUGH COG AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PAID FOR? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'VE GOT A, I WOULD THINK A, A VERY LEGITIMATE OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. OR YOU JUST, LET'S LET, LET COG MAKE RECOMMENDATION, LET THE STATE PICK A SPOT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU ALL WOULD NOT DECIDE TO ACT WITH THE COUNTY ORDINANCE. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULDN'T USE THE SAME CRITERIA WE WOULD USE IF, IF WE, IF WE, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SAME TYPES OF ISSUES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT IN A WAY, MORE THAN LIKELY THAT WOULD BE WITH, WITH THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT ACCOUNTING WOULD DO IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING YOUR OWN ORDINANCE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS THE MAIN, MAIN DIFFERENCE, IS IF, SAY A LEVEL, THEY SAY, YEAH, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH LOCAL LANDS IN KAMAN COUNTY. IF A FACILITY WOULD EVER BE PROPOSED, THAT RECOMMENDATION THEN GOES TO THE STATE, BUT IT'S UP TO THE STATE FOR THEM TO DECIDE HOW, HOW SERIOUSLY THEY, THEY TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION INTO ACCOUNT AND IT JUST BECOMES ONE PART OF THE ENTIRE PERMITTING PROCESS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA EVALUATE. WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT SAYS THAT A LANDFILL OR A TRANSFER STATION DEFINITELY CANNOT GO IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, TO OVERTURN THAT OR OVERRIDE THAT FROM A PERMITTING PROCESS. NOW, I WILL CLARIFY THAT, THAT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I'M NOT, NOT HERE TO, TO PRACTICE LAW. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THE ONLY REAL PLACE IN WHICH YOU COULD, COULD STAND A, A CHALLENGE TO A FACILITY GOING IN PLACE THERE WOULD BE IF A POTENTIAL PERMIT APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK AND CHALLENGE [00:40:01] AN ORDINANCE THAT A COUNTY WOULD HAVE IN PLACE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK TO SAYING THAT WE REALLY RECOMMEND GOING THROUGH A VERY THOROUGH OBJECTIVE AND HOPEFULLY VERY LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE PROCESS TO GET AN ORDINANCE IN UPON BOOKS. SO IS IT, I MEAN, UH, DO YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE A LOCATION OR CAN YOU JUST SET UP A SERIES OF CRITERIA OF SAYING THIS IS WHERE, WHERE IT CAN'T BE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY? I MEAN, IT ESSENTIALLY, I THINK IT BECOMES A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION AND WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER AS FAR AS AFTER YOU PUT ALL THOSE DEFINITIONS IN PLACE AS FAR AS WHERE IT CANNOT BE, WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A PLACE WHERE IT COULD BE LEFT LOCATED. UM, BUT ALSO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT JUST BECAUSE AN AREA IS DESIGNATED AS POTENTIALLY SUITABLE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT A LANDFILL EVER OR A TRANSFER STATION WOULD EVER POTENTIALLY LOCATE THERE. 'CAUSE IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO FIRST DEVELOP THAT AS A POTENTIAL FACILITY. AND THEN IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL THE OTHER STEPS RELATED TO, UH, THE PERMITTING PROCESS. AND SO, MAY YOU JUST REFERRED TO, UH, TRANSFER FACILITY, YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD BE COLLECTED AND TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER COUNTY, SO TO SPEAK, OR YEAH. TYPICALLY TO A, TO ANOTHER, A LANDFILL. SO WE'RE NOT ABOUT A BIG HUGE LANDFILL WHERE DITCHES DUG OR RIGHT. BIG OPENS DUG AND EVERYTHING'S FILLED IN LIKE OVER AT, UH, AVALON. RIGHT. THAT, THAT IS CORRECT ABOUT EITHER ONE. RIGHT. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WITH THE POPULATION THAT YOU HAVE GROWING HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL NEED IN, IN THE FUTURE FOR A FACILITY IN WHICH THAT WASTE COULD BE TRANSFERRED. UM, IT DOESN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THE CASE, BUT THAT MAY JUST BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK INTO AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, JUST THE SHEER AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU NEED FOR SAY A TRANSFER STATION VERSUS A LANDFILL ARE SO DIFFERENT, UM, THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH A PROCESS IN WHICH YOU SERIOUSLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR A TRANSFER STATION AND COULD LOOK AT, UH, POTENTIAL PIECES OF, OF, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE AS SUCH A SIZE THAT, UH, FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY COULD NEVER BE A LANDFILL. SO YOU, I MEAN, YOU, YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE A SET SET CRITERIA FOR A TRANSFER STATION THAN YOU WOULD FOR A LANDFILL. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE ARE GONNA BE SIMILAR. UH, IT'S MORE ON, ON SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WHERE IT MAY BE, UH, SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS, UM, JUST A LOT OF THE STABILITY ISSUES AND, UH, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES ARE, ARE GONNA BE GREATER IMPORTANCE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A BIGGER STRUCTURE LIKE A LANDFILL WHERE THAT WASTE IS GONNA BE DISPOSED OF PERMANENTLY. BUT WHAT, AND I DON'T THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THOSE ARE TWO WORDS WE'RE NOT USED TO USING IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS LAND USE MM-HMM . RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THAT SPECIFIC, UH, SITE TO, TO WHERE THIS IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU AS A COUNTY CAN DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE AND IT CAN ADDRESS LAND USE ISSUES. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A, AN ISSUE FOR YOU ALL IN, IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, BUT ONE THING TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IS THAT THIS ORDINANCE CANNOT APPLY TO EXISTING FACILITIES OR POTENTIAL FACILITIES THAT HAVE FILED, UH, THEIR TCEQ PERMIT APPLICATIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU GET WORD THAT A, THE FACILITY IS ABOUT TO FILE AN APPLICATION, SURE AS A COUNTY COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY GET INTO RACE TO, CAN YOU DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE QUICKER THAN THEY CAN FILE THEIR PERMIT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A, A RACE THAT YOU WANT TO NECESSARILY BE IN. AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU, IF YOU CAN SIT HERE AND SAY TODAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXISTING FACILITIES AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY PERMITS, UH, PENDING OR ABOUT TO BE FILED, THEN I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE BEST TIME TO LOOK AT THIS KIND OF AN ORDINANCE. 'CAUSE YOU CAN REALLY DO IT IN A VERY OBJECTIVE MANNER. WELL, LET'S CAN YOU EXTEND THAT ORDINANCE TO ALSO APPLY TO, UH, HUMAN WASTE, [00:45:01] FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD A SITUATION, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO OVER YOUR PRECINCT WHERE A SEPTIC SYSTEM COMPANY OUT OF FORT WORTH WAS BRINGING LOADS OF, UH, SEWAGE BASICALLY DOWN AND, AND SPREADING IT OUT IN A PASTURE. MM-HMM . AND THEODOR GOT PRETTY ROUGH OUT THERE ON SOME PEOPLE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NEW ORDINANCE AGAINST, AGAINST THAT I THINK. I DON'T REMEMBER. CAN WHAT FINALLY HAPPENED THERE? SOMEONE GOT AN INJUNCTION AGAINST IT. NO, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IT WAS, UH, UH, IT WAS, UM, TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY THAT WAS, IT WAS COMING FROM FORT WORTH MM-HMM . AND IT WAS FROM A SEWER PLANT OPERATED BY THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND ON THE BOARD OF THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. AND WE TALKED TO THEM AND SAID, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THIS NOT TO HAPPEN ANYMORE. AND THE BOARD AGREED. AND SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE. SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENED. BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REGULATE SOLID WASTE, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOLID WASTE THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE UP FOR DEBATE. YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, AND THE THE OTHER THING YOU'RE SAYING, THIS ALL IS ALONG DOORS, SCOTT, DOES THAT, COULD YOU DRAFT THE ORDINANCE, UH, BROUGHT ENOUGH TO, UH, TO INCLUDE THAT? YEAH. THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I WOULD, UH, REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON BECAUSE WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN AT, HAVEN'T ASKED OR RESEARCH THAT ISSUE IN THAT PARTICULAR CONTEXT. UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IT, IT APPLIES TO CASES OF MUNICIPAL INDOOR INDUSTRIAL WASTE FACILITIES. AND I JUST WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH AS FAR AS WHEN YOU HAVE A, A LAND APPLICATION OF SLUDGE PROCESS, WHAT KIND OF, UH, PERMITTING A REGISTRATION PROCESS, IF ANY, IS THAT SUBJECT TO, UH, AND COULD THAT FALL IN THAT DEFINITION? AND SO IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED, THEN, THEN YEAH, DEFINITELY. UH, IT COULD BE, BUT I'M JUST NOT SURE WHETHER IT FALLS INTO THAT STATUTORY DEFINITION. I DON'T, I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE, BUT JUST DOUBLE CHECKING. YEAH. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE COULD LOOK INTO. WELL, AND THE ARGUMENT THEN WAS THERE WERE, THERE'S A ZILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT NOBODY LIVES ANYWHERE NEAR WEST OF FAR APART, AND THEY SPREAD THEIR HORSET MATTER. ANYBODY, WHAT SENSE DID IT MAKE TO COME SPREAD IT WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A RIGHT DENSITY OF POPULATION MM-HMM . SO WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE TODAY IS WHETHER WE HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PURSUING AN NOISE, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT ESSENTIALLY IS THE, THE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL TO HOPEFULLY, UH, ASK AND ANSWER. AND, AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS, UM, WHERE YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON A SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BASIS IS THAT THE, UH, TIMING FOR THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE FROM COD, THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE GONNA BE FORMALLY AVAILABLE ON MAY 15TH AND DUE ON JUNE 15TH. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, UH, IN THE NEAR TERM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TIMEFRAME BY WHICH YOU WOULD NEED TO, UH, LOOK AT GETTING AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT TIME THAT GRANT FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UH, IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL DATE. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, UH, PROBABLY SOMETIME AROUND, UH, ABOUT 18 MONTHS FROM NOW. AND THE WHOLE REASON FOR THAT IS 'CAUSE THE PROGRAM, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE FUNDING AGAIN, HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE LEGISLATURE IS DONE AND THEN GET TO GET REAUTHORIZED AND THEN GET EVERYTHING ALL SET UP AND UP AND RUNNING. SO IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, IT WOULD BE A, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE YOU COULD PROBABLY PROCEED AGAIN. SO IF WE WERE TO PASS A RESOLUTION, UH, SAY 10, UH, TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE, THAT'S ALL IT'S NEEDED TO GET THE, UH, GRANT CYCLE STARTED. UH, THAT THAT IS, THAT'S NOT OFFICIALLY A PART OF THE, THE GRANT CYCLE EVEN, UH, THAT'S JUST, UH, JUST, UH, INFORMATION THAT, THAT THE CALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JUST TO, TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT, UH, GENERAL INTENTION OF SPECIFIC COUNTY WOULD HAVE. I THINK THOUGH, THAT IT WOULD, UH, ADOPT A, A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT THAT IS YOUR INTENT, AND THEN INCLUDE THAT AS A PART OF A GRANT APPLICATION THAT WOULD JUST SERVE TO ENHANCE THAT APPLICATION. [00:50:01] UH, BUT THE MAIN THING FORMALLY THAT YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO DO IS, IS TO MAKE A DECISION AS A COUNTY THAT YOU DO INTEND TO, UH, SUBMIT THAT THAT GRANT APPLICATION TO HAVE THIS WORKED ON. AND THEN YOU WOULD, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS PART OF THAT PROCESS IS THERE'S A, A RELATIVELY BRIEF GRANT APPLICATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED. AND THEN BEFORE JUNE 30TH, UH, YOU ALL, AS, AS A COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WE NEED TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THAT GRANT. MORE QUESTIONS? WELL, I HAD COMMENT. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T BEEN WITH HAVING NOT LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE WE SAW IT, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAD A, HAVE A COMPLETELY OPEN MIND. AND, UH, UH, MY THOUGHT IS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ARGUED EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT AS GROWING COUNTIES LIKE US NEED PLANNING AUTHORITY IN HERE FOR LEGISLATORS HAS GIVEN US ONLY JUST A TINY LITTLE BIT. BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF LAND USE AUTHORITY. AND, AND I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT INPUT INTO WHERE IT GOES. NOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, IF, IF WE DON'T APPLY FOR A GRANT AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, IS THE FINAL LOCATION GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DIDN'T PURSUE ONE AT ALL? I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WE LOSE THE SAY SO. WE LOSE THE SAY SO WHERE IT IS. THAT'S TRUE. WE DO OUR ORDINANCE, I GET THE GRANT, DO ORDINANCE DO A STUDY. IT MAY END UP WHEREVER WHERE THEY RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL, I LIKE THE WAY THE MERRILL COUNTY DID IT. I MEAN, THEY DEVELOPED CRITERIA AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, AND IT KIND OF MADE IT A LITTLE MORE IMPERSONAL. IT'S NOT WHERE PICKING ON ANYBODY, BUT THESE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT. AND IT NARROWED IT DOWN TO, UH, TO A LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT. 'CAUSE THE WATERSHED IN KAMAN COUNTY GOES STRAIGHT TO THE CEDAR CREEK LAKE. YOU'RE GONNA FIND A LOT OF AREAS ARE JUST PROHIBITED FROM BEING, UH, SITE WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF ALL WE DO IS DEVELOP CRITERIA, INSTEAD OF SAYING WHERE WE WANT IT, IF WE JUST DEVELOP CRITERIA SAYING WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CRITERIA ELIMINATES THE ENTIRE COUNTY, BUT WE STILL USED A SCIENTIFIC PROCESS. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON THE CRITERIA. THE VERO COUNTY HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL, THE LIST OF THEIR CRITERIA IS THAT THE SAME CRITERIA THAT THE STATE WOULD USE FOR THE LANDFILL TRANSFER STATIONS? SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A LANDFILL TRANSFER STATION NEXT TO AN AIRPORT. WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT IN THE, IN THE WATERSHED. RIGHT. ARE WE USING THE CRITERIA BASED ON THE TRANSFER STATION AND LANDFILL STATIONS ALREADY? OR CAN WE MAKE UP OUR OWN CRITERIA? YEAH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID THERE. SO THIS, THIS SLIDE, UH, WHICH IS IN THE, THE PACKET SHOWING HERE, UM, OVER THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS EXCLUSIONARY CITING CRITERIA, THAT'S ALL STRAIGHT FROM ACTUALLY THE, THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY EACH OF THE STATES. AND SO THESE ARE GONNA BE THINGS, UH, AIRPORT SAFETY AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF DISTANCE YOU NEED TO BE LOCATED FROM AN AIRPORT, UH, PROXIMITY TO FLOODPLAINS, WETLANDS FAULT AREAS, UH, SEISMIC IMPACT ZONES, AND THEN OTHER UNSTABLE AREAS. YEAH, THOSE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT THE STATE WOULD LOOK AT AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS. BUT, UH, I THINK THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT, UM, AN APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY SAY, YES, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WE'RE GONNA, UH, ENGINEER THIS AND, AND CONSTRUCT THIS SO THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY POTENTIAL THREAT FROM THAT FLOODPLAIN. SO THERE'S POTENTIALLY A WAY IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER THAT, UH, KIND OF ISSUE WOULD BE. WHEREAS AGAIN, IF YOU ALL WOULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AND SAY IT CANNOT BE WITHIN, UH, THIS SPECIFIC FLOODPLAIN OR FLOOD PLAINS WITHIN THE COUNTY, THEN AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA MEAN THAT A FACILITY CANNOT BE THERE AT ALL. UM, CAN YOU, AND CAN YOU RUN THROUGH THESE SLIDES FOR THE C COUNTY? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY REVEAL. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN WHAT'S ON THAT LIST RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. AND SO, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE. BUT AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THE LAND USE CRITERIA THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE ARE HERE ON THIS, THIS RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND THEN IS THAT, SO ON THIS SIDE, THE LAND USE CRITERIA, IS THAT SOMETHING IF WE DIDN'T ADOPT IT, THAT THE STATE WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN ADDITION TO THE EXCLUSIONARY STUFF? WELL, THESE, THESE ARE GENERALLY THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THE [00:55:01] COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE STATE WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THE WAY THAT PROCESS IS, IS SET UP IS THAT AN APPLICATION WOULD, WOULD GO BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OVER AT COG. AND IT'S A COMMITTEE THAT'S MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL AS, UH, SOLID WASTE COMPANIES AND OTHER, UH, INTERESTING PARTIES. AND SO THEY ESSENTIALLY JUST WILL TAKE THAT APPLICATION AND THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT ADDRESS LAND USE, AND IT'S JUST A, A PART OF A, A PRETTY DETAILED PROCESS. AND SO IT REALLY JUST BECOMES A, A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT AND HOW MUCH DETAIL DO THEY WANT TO GET INTO ON THOSE LAND USE ISSUES. SO THEY COULD REALLY RECOGNIZE IT AND GET VERY ABSORBED IN THAT, OR THEY JUST MAY LOOK AT IT IN, UH, MORE AT A HIGH LEVEL. IT'S JUST AN UNKNOWN KNOW. BUT YEAH, WE CAN GO THROUGH, UH, THIS, THIS MAP FOR NAVARRO. AND SO HERE'S WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY, UH, GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE. AND AGAIN, WHAT WE DID WAS WENT THROUGH THIS, THIS CRITERIA AND THEN USING, UH, OUR, OUR GIS UH, ANALYSIS, WERE ABLE TO JUST, UH, PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THE MAP AND THROUGH SERIES OF THESE OF THESE MAPS, I THINK YOU'LL GET A SENSE OF, OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THAT WAS. UM, THIS AREA, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN, CAN SEE IT. OKAY, BUT WHERE THE COURSE OF COUNTY MUNICIPAL AIRPORT IS, WE PLACED A, A BUFFER AS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A, A SOLID WASTE FACILITY WITHIN 10,000 FEET OF AN AIRPORT. AND SO THAT WAS, AND THESE FIRST SETS OF CRITERIA ON THE EXCLUSIONARY SIDE. AND THEN, UH, THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAINS THAT JUST VERY MUCH FOLLOWS, UH, THE CREEKS AND RIVERS IN THE COUNTY. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS, UH, THESE ARE JUST TO GIVE A SENSE OF, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE POLITICAL BOUNDARIES? BECAUSE A, A COUNTY, UH, DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY, OF COURSE, WITHIN EITHER THE, THE CITY LIMITS OR, OR THE ETJ. AND SO THESE WERE AREAS WHERE, UH, YOU COULD NOT NECESSARILY PUT, UM, PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE. AND THEN, AND THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS TO GET SOMEWHAT MORE SUBJECTIVE, BUT I THINK BY ADDRESSING IT ON THE FRONT END, YOU, YOU CAN REALLY DO IT IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER, IF YOU WILL. AND THE SUBJECTIVITY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT POPULATION DENSITY AS FAR AS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NAVARRO COUNTY OR KAUFFMAN COUNTY IS GONNA BE, OF COURSE, VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN SAY DALLAS COUNTY. UH, BUT, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE CLOSELY WORKED WITH THEIR COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS WELL AS STAFF TO REALLY START TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, THE DIFFERENT POPULATION DENSITIES MEAN THERE, WHERE AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE DENSE POPULATION. UM, AND TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS AND ESSENTIALLY LOOKED AT, IN THIS PARTICULAR COUNTY, POPULATION DENSITY OF MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE, UH, BECAME UNSUITABLE AREAS. UH, HERE WE LOOKED AT, UH, THEIR SENSITIVE WATER FEATURES SUCH AS THE RICHLAND CHAMBERS RESERVOIR, UH, UH, THE, UH, NAVARRO MILLS LAKE, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE TRINITY RIVER BASIN AS FAR AS CREATING ADDITIONAL BUFFERS THERE. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE ALSO SAT DOWN AND TALKED WITH THEM AND GOT A SENSE OF WHERE DO YOU POTENTIALLY SEE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THE FUTURE? AND SO HERE WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE, UH, NEW HOUSING, UH, PERMITS, AND THEN ALSO TALKED WITH, UH, THEIR INDEPENDENT DISTRICT TO GET A SENSE OF, UH, WHERE WAS, WHERE WERE THINGS CHANGING AS FAR AS SCHOOL ENROLLMENTS. AND SO THIS IS WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON WHAT DATA IS AVAILABLE, YOU MAY HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CREATIVE IN FIGURING THESE THINGS OUT. BUT I THINK WE'VE, UH, GOT ENOUGH EXPERIENCE, UH, BETWEEN THIS AND THE WORK WE'RE DOING IN HOOD COUNTY, WHERE I THINK ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD COME UP ARE ONES THAT, THAT COULD REALLY BE ADDRESSED. THIS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AS FAR AS THE LAYERS, ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, IN THE DARKER AREAS WERE CONSIDERED UNSUITABLE. AND THEN ANYTHING THAT ESSENTIALLY, UH, WAS LEFT OVER WOULD BE CONSIDERED SUITABLE. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER OF FACTORS AS FAR AS WHETHER, UH, ANY SOLID LAKES FACILITY WOULD EVER LOOK TO LOCATE, UH, IN ANY OF THESE, UH, SUITABLE AREAS. UM, AND THOSE ARE JUST THINGS, IF A DEVELOPER WOULD WANT TO PLACE A LANDFILL OR A TRANSFER STATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY IN THOSE SUITABLE AREAS WHERE THEY CAN POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, STRESS POTENTIALLY DO THAT. AND SO ESSENTIALLY THIS BECOME, BECAME THE BASIS FOR WHAT NAVARRO, UH, HAS BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SINCE ADOPTED THIS, UH, WHERE IT [01:00:01] IS AS AN OFFICIAL ORDINANCE THERE. UM, SO IF, SO THESE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THESE ISSUES HERE, THESE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT FOR NAVARRO COUNTY. BUT, UM, SOMETHING I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL, WHETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD, IF WE WOULD ASSIST YOU IN THAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT IF YOU DO ANOTHER OPTION WHEN YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT ARE GONNA BE THE IMPORTANT LAND USE CRITERIA HERE WITHIN COFFMAN COUNTY, 'CAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS, AS ELSEWHERE, BUT THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS, ANOTHER, ANOTHER CRITERIA IS ACCESS TO STATE HIGHWAYS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE COUNTY ROAD RIGHT. TO GET TO IT. YES. THAT'S VERY MUCH A VERY CRITICAL ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMES OUT OF Y'ALL'S BUDGETS AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE OF, OF THOSE ROADS. SO YOU DON'T WANT HUGE, UH, 18 WHEEL BY LOADS, UH, GOING DOWN THOSE ROADS WORTH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES UP TO 8,000 POUNDS. I NOTICED YOU HAVE A STANDARD AROUND RICHMOND CHAMBER, THAT 55,000 FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT A STANDARD JUST SELECT 5,000 FEET? YEAH, WE, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN AND OF ITSELF NECESSARILY A STANDARD, BUT UH, THERE IS SOME SPECIFIC STATE LEGISLATION RELATED TO, UH, THE PROTECTION OF, OF THAT WATER BODY. AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE CASE THAT THAT 5,000 FEET IS, IS MENTIONED IN THAT PARTICULAR LEGISLATION. UH, BUT IT DOESN'T IN AND OF ITSELF HAD TO BE A RESCUE. I THINK COUNTY WATER ABOUT 2,500. I THINK THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED THE TRACK. 10 YEARS AGO IT WAS ABOUT 2,500 FOR SURE. YEAH. AND WE, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF, UH, ORIGINALLY IN CHAMBERS ALSO BEING THE, THE RESERVOIR, WE ALSO WORKED WITH, UH, CAMP REGIONAL TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD IN PLACE. AND THEN THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE I THINK THAT THE MORE RESTRICTIVE, UH, ISSUES WERE AT THE, THE STATE LEVEL WITH REGARD TO THAT LEGISLATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS A, I THINK A RELATIVELY UNIQUE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. UM, AND I, I'M NOT JUST NOT AWARE IF THERE BEEN ANY PARTICULAR LEGISLATION ALONG THOSE LINES, SAY HERE IN COFFMAN COUNTY, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A WOOD COUNTY AROUND, AROUND LIKE GRANBURY, BUT, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ON A COUNTY BY COUNTY BASIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT DO YOU, IF, IF I MAY JUDGE, UH, ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION IS, AND THIS IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH, WITH HOOD COUNTY, BUT IT'S AGAIN, COMPLETELY UP TO YOU ALL, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE GRANT FUNDING, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN, IN DOING SO THAT RW VAC COULD PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE FOR, UH, AGAIN, OUR, OUR INTENT IN DOING THAT IS TO PROVIDE THE ASSISTANCE FOR YOU ALL TO RECEIVE THE GRANT. 'CAUSE THEN WE WOULD, UM, IN TURN ALSO LIKE TO BE THE FIRM THAT WOULD ASSIST YOU, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. UM, BUT IF WE ASSIST WITH GRANT APPLICATION, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, COMMITMENT ON YOU ALL'S PART WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO RETAIN US OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THEN ALSO THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DECIDE, UH, WHAT KIND OF A PROCUREMENT PROCESS WOULD YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH IF YOU WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN, IN RETAINING OUR SERVICES. UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO, TO MENTION. AND THEN ALSO, UH, JUST BE VERY UPFRONT AS FAR AS THIS IS HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THIS ISSUE, UH, WITH HOOD COUNTY AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE STATE. WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, UM, SOLID WASTE PRINT WRITER HERE IN COUNTY ALREADY . AND, AND WE COULD, UH, CERTAINLY JUST SERVE AS A, A TECHNICAL RESOURCE. UM, AND THEN ALSO GIVE A SENSE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE ADDRESSED. WHAT Y'ALL SMILING ABOUT BACK THEN. I UNDERSTAND. UM, I, I THINK IT, IT'S PROBABLY WORTHWHILE AND I LIKE ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THELL COUNTY USED. AND WHILE YOU'RE OUT, I SUGGESTED ALSO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE ELIMINATE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SERVED BY A STATE HIGHWAY. SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A LANDFILL, BUT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY HAS TO MAINTAIN. WELL THEN WE WOULD ENTERTAIN [01:05:01] A MOTION THEN THAT, UH, WE WOULD PURSUE A COUNTY MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE FACILITY ORDINANCE DEVELOPMENT. IT SAYS INTENT, UH, ORDINANCE DEVELOPMENT INTENT. IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY. AND WE REQUEST TECHNICAL FROM CO DEVELOP CHECK BOX DOWN THERE. YEP. DEFINITELY NEED TO CHECK. WE GOT, GOTTA READ THE FINE PRINT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LIT, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LER AND I'LL MOVE FORWARD. SO MOTION PASSES. WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME. YOUR 15 MINUTES HAS TURNED INTO 45, BUT I GUESS IT WAS WORTH IT. WELL THAT WAS A LANDMARK. THE LANDMARK BOAT THERE. . THAT'S TRUE. , Y'ALL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? WELL, OKAY. THANK YOU SCOTT. UH, DO Y'ALL NEED, I TOOK MY BREAK. DO Y'ALL NEED TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE DO OUR UH, NO, I'M, I'M GOOD. COME ON. GOOD TO GO. WELL, MAKING A BREAK. THAT'S ALRIGHT. MAKE THE UH, UH, NINE ITEM TRANSFER REAL QUICK. YES SIR. SORRY. I CAN, UH, WE PROPOSED LINE ITEM TRANSFERS IN THE JUDICIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AREA TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR PSYCHIATRIC EXAM. $800 OF REDUCTIONS IN AUTOPSY AND POSTMORTEM OF 100 FEEDING PRISONERS. 100 POLYGRAPH EXAM 100 AND PROSECUTION EXPENSE, 500 ROAD BRIDGE GENERAL. INCREASED BUDGET FOR ROAD SIGNS, 10,000 WITH REDUCTION IN BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION AND ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT. THREE, INCREASED RENTAL EQUIPMENT OF 6,000 WITH REDUCTION IN CONTRACT LABOR. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE DAS ASSET FORFEITURE FUND, INCREASING REVENUES BY 20,000, AND AN INCREASE IN MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSE OF 20. Y'ALL HEARD THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST? WE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE. MOTION MADE BY SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AND I'LL GO FORWARD. SO MOTION CARRIED. WE'LL BE HERE. THE 28TH GOES TO SCOTLAND FOR YOU GOING TRY TO GET ON FLOOR. I HEARD THAT'S HARD TO GET A TWO WAY AS AS YOU GOT THE MONEY. YOU, [01:10:02] YOU HAVE. IT'S PRETTY LONG. THAT'S IF EITHER ONE THE WATER, THAT'S ONE THING WE YOUR CREDITS THE POUND AGAINST ON JUDGE DOES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING GISI GUESS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THAT, THE NAP AND STUFF. DO WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THIS OURSELVES? SURE. AND WOULD IT BE THROUGH THE SHERIFF OR WOULD IT BE THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, TO JUST DO LIKE A REAL ROUGH OUTLINE? I THINK, SEE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE ALL THE FANCY MAPS. I THINK ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS JUST ADOPT THE CRITERIA. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON IT. IT, I THINK THE MAPS ARE NICE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SELL IT. THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE CHALLENGE. WELL, WHAT'S TO SELL IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THE MAPS 'CAUSE BUT IF YOU USE THE MAPS FOR OTHER THINGS, IF SOME POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GO INTO MORE LAND USE THINGS. RIGHT. YOU WELL, THAT'S DOING ALL THE GIS. YEAH. 'CAUSE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WILL BE EXTREMELY PAGEANT HAS DONE, YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT ON YOUR COMPUTER. WELL, I JUST, I JUST WONDERED IF WE HAD THE CAPABILITIES. I THOUGHT WE DID. YES, YES, YES, YES. SEE I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. YOU'RE THINKING WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE DATA TOGETHER THEN IF WE EVER, IF THE LEGISLATURE EVER GIVES US LAND USE AUTHORITY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME CRITERIA. THE WES GOT TWO MAPS GOING. ONE IS FOR THE GRANT IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WHAT IS THAT? AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE TO HAVE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, A MAP APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS TO WHAT ARE AND WHAT ARE NOT HOURS COUNTY WHAT WHAT COUNTY ROADS. MM-HMM . IN COMAN COUNTY. RIGHT. THAT AMOUNT HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THE SOONER WE GET IT DONE, THE BUT WHO'S DOING IT? IS IT PUBLIC WORKS OR IS IT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? WELL, BAKER STAFF HEATH IS DOING THE, THE MAPS FOR THE BROKERS. WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY DUPLICATION ON WHERE WE CAN SAVE MONEY BY NOT DUPLICATING THE PROCESS. SO IT WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH IF, IF THE GRANT WASN'T APPROVED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND USE WELL, THE COUNTY GOES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GRANT. NO, NO. I'M SAYING THIS GRANT, IF YOU GO FOR THE COG GRANT ON THIS, I MEAN THE SIMPLE SOLID WASTE. YEAH. YOU COULD USE WHAT VICEPT HAS AS THE BASE MAP AND THEN JUST APPLY THE CRITERIA. PROBABLY SELECTED PROBABLY. DID I GET, DID I UNDERSTAND WE CAN DO OUR OWN CRITERIA, RIGHT? YES. I THINK YOU HAD TO, YOU HAD TO ACCEPT THE LANDFILL AND THE TRANSFER STATION CRITERIA AS YOUR BASE WHERE HE SAID THE EXCLUSIONARY THINGS ON THAT, ON THAT ONE SIDE. AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS CAUSED, YOU KNOW, RATIONAL CRITERIA AND THEN WE ADD IN OUR OWN STUFF. WELL, IT'S HEALTH AND SAFETY CRITERIA. YEAH, HEALTH AND SAFETY CRITERIA. IS THAT HOW YOU WOULD DEFEND IT? IF, IF LIKE THE STATE CAME, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT'S WHAT'S THE ONLY WAY. BUT THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE WHAT YOU SUBMITTED. THAT IS CORRECT. [01:15:06] WE, WE, WE, WE GOT INSTRUCTED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE NINE HOUR OR THE EIGHT HOUR, UH, CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING FOR POLLUTE. AIR, AIR, AIR QUALITY. AIR QUALITY. YEAH. WE DIDN'T DO MUCH GOOD. WE SAID, WELL WE'LL DO THIS, THIS, THIS. WE SAID, OKAY, WELL THANK YOU, BUT YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS TOO. DO THIS, THIS, THIS. ALL THAT WAS FOR NOTHING. WE'RE WE'RE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO INVEST IN BIGGER TANKS. AND WHEN IT GOES DOWN, YOU GOING BACK OVER TO YOUR OFFICE NOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GONE, MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS THING AND YOU GIVE 'EM, LIKE YOU CAN PUT IT HERE OR THERE, IS THE STATE GONNA GO THROUGH AND SAY, OH LOOK, HERE'S THE PLAN, HERE'S THE PLAN, HERE'S THE PLAN. AND THEN THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER COUNTIES DON'T HAVE A PLAN. SO RATHER THAN SPEND THE MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, DO THE CRITERIA THIS WE'LL JUST SAY, TAKE THESE ONES THAT HAD THE PLAN AND MAKE LITTLE CIRCLES AND ARROWS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. THE, THE REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S REGIONAL IN THE REGIONAL FACILITY WILL BE PUT WHEREVER. THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. WELL, NO, I THINK I'M SAYING SO NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE'VE SAID IT COULD GO HERE, IT COULD GO HERE. ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S OKAY TO PUT ONE HERE, LET'S PUT IT THERE RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN A COUNTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. YEAH. SEEMS LIKE ELLIS DID IT OR ELLIS IS DOING IT AND ELLIS SAYS, OH YEAH, YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT HERE IN THIS CORNER. AND KAMAN DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING IS A THING AND SAY, WELL, RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THE FOOTWORK AND YOU KNOW, DO ALL THIS AND PAY ALL THE MONEY TO RESEARCH KAUFMAN, LET'S JUST TAKE ELLIS. IT'S ALREADY DONE. THEY, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I GO TO AUSTIN, I GO THROUGH AND I LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT. I THINK THAT MOUND GETS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. THAT THING IS ENORMOUS. YEAH. I'LL SAY ONE THING. THEY KEPT IT CLEAN. AT LEAST CLEAN LOOKING FROM THE ROAD. WELL, IF Y'ALL HAVE NEVER GONE TO SEE IT, IF YOU GO TO AUSTIN, GO TO THAT LANDFILL OR SOUTH OF AUSTIN, THAT THAT WAS, AND THAT ALL THAT THAT'S ON PRIVATELY, PRIVATELY OWNED. YOU SEE THE ONE OFF OF LBJ OVER THERE JUST [01:20:03] ISN'T ON I 90 BUSH, GEORGE BUSH. THAT'S THE WHITE. THERE'S ONE YEAH, THERE'S ONE OFF IN GEORGE BUSH, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY IN LOUISVILLE. NO, THIS ONE IS WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE GOING GEORGE BUSH TO ROCK, WALK FROM OH 75 ON THE THERE SEAS AND BIRDS AND A OF DIRT RIGHT BEFORE YOU. MOST OF THEM ARE STYLE, BUT THEY SAY LIKE, PLAIN COURT BACK TO, BACK TO LITTERED. ALL IN SAY A FOR LIKE A SECOND. OKAY. IF WE PAY THE BILLS. ANYTHING ANYBODY BRING UP LET'S GO TO THE HOUSE. GO TO THE HOUSE. SO MR. DE SAYS IT AND YOU COMMISSIONER LEONARD SECOND IT AND I'LL SAY, I'LL GO ON WITH IT. SO WE'RE OUTTA HERE. YEP. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.