* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. COMMISSIONER'S [00:00:01] COURT. JULY 31ST, 2006. COMMISSIONER RED, IF YOU OPEN THIS UP, PLEASE, YOU'LL I'LL LET US, DON'T FORGET THE, UH, GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, LOOK DOWN ON FAVOR WITH US TODAY. AS WE ATTEMPT TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY, PLEASE WARM THE COLD CORNERS OF OUR MINDS AND LIGHTEN THE DARK AREAS OF OUR SOULS. SEND US SOME RAIN WHEN YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE. AGAIN, LOOK DOWN IN FAVOR WITH OUR TROOPS AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY. BRING THEM HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, ALL THAT WE HAVE IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. UH, ONE FRIDAY AT THE LIONS CLUB, COMMISSIONER RODDEN SAID THE PRAYER AND HE PRAYED FOR RAIN. AND THAT WEEKEND, I THINK WE MOST PLACES AROUND THERE IS WE GOT FOUR INCHES. SO EVER SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN, WE HOPE THAT WORKS TODAY. GOOD CONNECTION. I HOPE THAT WORKS TODAY. JOIN IN PLEDGES, PLEASE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS AMONG A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS, BATON, TEXAS. FLAG ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. YOU ALLALL HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING OF ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. GO. WE'RE FINE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ER. ALL IN FAVOR. A A MOTION CARRIES CORRESPONDENCE. COACH. I WOULD FIND THOSE STATISTICS. UH, INTERESTING. THE CORRESPONDENCE MATTER. THAT LAST ONE THERE YOU SEE, UH, FROM, UH, GORDON PIERCE ABOUT, UH, MEETING WEDNESDAY MORNING AT 11, AND HE'S REQUESTING TWO MEMBERS OF COURT BE THERE. UH, I'M SURE LIKE TO HAVE A COUPLE VOLUNTEERS. I, KEN NEEDS TO BE THERE. OH, YOU GONNA DOWNTOWN? YEAH. I, I'LL JERRY YOU CAN GO KEN OR JIM, UM, WHAT DAY? WEDNESDAY. I CAN GO. OKAY. OKAY. DON'T GO TO THAT MEETING THEN. DON'T EAT LUNCH BEFORE YOU GO LUNCH. LUNCH, YOU KNOW. [00:05:15] OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVE AND REVISED AND NOTHING, NOT TOO EARLY FOR THAT. WE GOTTA SKIP DOWN TO ITEM SEVEN, BECAUSE THOSE OTHER PERTAIN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 10 O'CLOCK. UH, LTA WILLIAMS TO PRESENT COFFEE COUNTY'S CHILDREN'S SHELTER REPORT FOR MARCH. GOOD MORNING, LTA, SIR. ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MORE. PROMPT MY REPORTS. AND IT'S BEEN A REALLY, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR NUMBERS WERE UP ALMOST EVERY MONTH AND AS FULL AS AS I CARE TO BE. UM, OF COURSE, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR IS WHEN WE GET TO GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR INSPECTIONS TO KEEP OUR LICENSE RENEWED AND, AND BE IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE STATE. AND SO THEY JUST KIND OF HIT US ONE RIGHT AFTER THE OTHER, UH, DURING FEBRUARY, MARCH. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE, WE'VE JUST BEEN BUSY. IT'S BEEN HOT, AND THE WATER RESTRICTIONS ARE GREAT. REQUEST FOR OUR KIDS WHEN WE WANT TO TRY SPRINKLERS ON CAN, AND, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY PRAYING FOR RAIN EVERY DAY AND PUSH AROUND. PLEASE PUT US ON YOUR LIST. , WE NEED EXTRA. UM, WE HAVE ALSO JUST COMPLETED, UH, IN MARCH, OUR YEAR CROSS REPORT. WE HAVE A GOOD PLAYER FROM TER. UH, AND HE, HE WAS ADVISING, UH, THAT CHANGED SOME OF THE RULINGS. UH, SO A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, UH, CONSULTATIONS AND, AND CHANGING THIS NUMBER FROM HIS LIFE. AND HE WAS, HE WAS TRULY BLESSING THIS YEAR. UH, AND HE WAS ALSO BROUGHT IN FROM THE FIELD. SO STEP OUT HAS CONTROL, BUSY, UH, COMING OUT, SPRAYING AND PUTTING TRAPS OUT, BUT HE'S ALWAYS THE STOMP CORNER, UH, AND JUST SHOWS UP RIGHT AWAY. UH, ANY STATES THIS YEAR? NO, SIR. NONE. UH, SO FAR WE'VE, WE'VE, RICK HAS STARTED MOWING A LITTLE FURTHER OUT. UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT, UH, KEEP THE GRASS DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER OUT. , UH, AND OUR CANCER ARE REALLY GOOD CHASERS, SO LUCKILY WE HAVE HAD NO SENSE. UH, WE DID JUST COMPLETE OUR, OUR ENDEAVOR BOARD. JUST PUT A C WE'RE CALLING IT A BED CENTER. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A BIG PATIO GRILL, UH, WITH A SERVING BAR. AND WE HAD OUR FIRST STICK GROUP OUT, UH, ON THE 15TH. UH, THERE WAS, I THINK THEY SAID 11, UH, MOTORCYCLE BRICKS, HUNDRED 13 MILES AND WELL OVER 200 PEOPLE. MM-HMM . AND, AND THEY BROUGHT, UH, A LOT OF STUFF FOR THE HOUSE AND, AND SOME MONETARY O UH, BUT WE FED OUT THEM IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES OFF OUR, OFF OUR NEW BAR. SO WE WERE, WE WERE VERY EXCITED. UM, AND KIDS ARE WAITING. WE STILL HAVE TO SEAL THE, THE GROUND, UH, BEFORE WE CAN USE IT FULL TIME. UM, AND KIDS ARE JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO FIRST SPEAKING AND, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT IS GONNA BE A LOT OF FUN. UH, RICK AND I DID ATTEND A TRAINING FOR THE JUVENILE JUSTICE, UH, CONFERENCE IN MAY. UH, WE NORMALLY DO THE STATE SWAMPER TRAINING IN AUSTIN, AND OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CONFERENCE LOT HIGHER QUALITY, UH, CLASSES AND INSTRUCTORS. UH, SO WE'VE OPT TO DO THAT AND WE HAVE TO DO A CERTAIN MATTER OF ERROR EVERY YEAR TO TENURE LICENSE. UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY. YOU HAVE ACCIDENTS. SO ILLNESSES. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, REALLY SERIOUS, SERIOUSLY INJURED CHILDREN, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. UH, COUPLE REALLY SEVERE, REALLY BURN KIDS. UH, A COUPLE OF CATS. SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, WE HAD WELL DRIVE, UH, THAT WERE THIS PROBABLY ABOUT SIX EACH RIGHT? DOUBLE. AND, UH, DEVELOPMENTALLY MORE ON TARGET THAN WHEN THEY, WE GOT 'EM. SO WE WERE, [00:10:01] WE WERE, WE WERE PRETTY BUSY. KEEPING ON THESE LOOK AT, ON MEN. WHAT AGE SPREAD DO YOU HAVE NOW THERE TODAY? TODAY MY YOUNGEST IS 14. 14. MY NEXT IS FOUR MONTHS. MY OLDEST IS 14. TODAY WE NORMALLY HAVE A PRETTY EVEN SPREAD, UH, BETWEEN TODDLERS, UH, YOUNGER KIDS AND MID TEENAGERS. WE WE'RE READY. YOU ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF, UH, MS. WILLIAMS? THERE ARE NONE. WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ALL I MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT IS, UH, DISCUSSING CONSIDER OPENING BID NUMBER OH 6 0 4 ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR MATERIAL FOR ALL PRECINCTS. GOOD MORNING. UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING A MOTION TO, UH, OPEN THE BID. MOTION MADE BY, BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED AND OPEN. FIRST BID THIS MORNING IS FROM BIG CITY CRUSH CONCRETE. AND THEY ARE OUT OF DALLAS. WHICH ONE IN GARLAND OR IS THAT ONE IN, UH, DALLAS? I THINK IT'S THE SAME, SAME FOLKS, BUT THERE'S SOME DALLAS ADDRESS ABOUT 20 MILES DIFFERENT. THEY'RE BIDDING FOR PRECINCT. ONE DELIVERED $12 PER TON FOR PRECINCT. TWO $11 A TON FOR PRECINCT. THREE $12 A TON PRECINCT 4 12 50 PER TON DELIVERED. THAT SOUNDS BAD. THAT'S ALL DELIVERED. AND COST PER TON PICKED UP AT THEIR PLANT. UH, LOCATED AT 11 1 43 GOODNIGHT LANE IN DALLAS IS $5 PER TURN. NEXT BID IS FROM, UH, INSTRUCTORS INCORPORATED OUT SPER SPRING THERE. BID FOR PRECINCT ONE DELIVERED IS 10 75. PRECINCT 2 9 55. PRECINCT 3 10 75 IN PRECINCT FOUR 12. AND THEIR PRICE FOR, UH, PICKUP, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE AT I 35 AND INWOOD ROAD FOUR 50 A TON. ONE LAST BID WAS LIKE EIGHT. A TON PICKED UP, WASN'T IT? THAT'S NOT BAD. THE NEXT BID IS INCORPORATED. UH, BRIDGEPORT PRECINCT ONE DELIVERED $11 65 CENTS. PRECINCT 2 10 50 PRECINCT, THREE $11 60 CENTS PRECINCT, FOUR $12 AND 80 CENTS. AND WHERE ARE THEY CLOSE TO US FOR PICKUP THERE AT, UH, THEIR SUGAR PLANT LOCATED 11 6 50 MOER VALLEY ROAD IN FORT WORTH. THAT'S AT 4 25. THAT'S ALL. YOU, UH, NEED SOME TIME TO ANALYZE THOSE? YES, SIR. I DIDN'T PUT IT ON FOR AWARD TODAY, BUT MIGHT NEED TO EVALUATE THESE ON LOCATIONS AND I COMMISSIONER THIS WEEK. OKAY. NEXT TIME FOR, [00:15:15] I EXPECT THE FUEL SURCHARGES ON THIS BID TO HONEST WITH YOU. SO WONDER IF TODAY ENTERTAIN MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE PROPOSALS? WE ACCEPT THEM. YEAH. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. ALL I MOTION CARRIES THOSE AND BE BACK. NEXT TIME TO NEXT WE HAVE, UH, IS TO REAPPOINT MR. CINDY COWARD TO THE LAKES REGION MENTAL HEALTH MENTAL RETARDATION BOARD. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. COLOR. ALL IN FIRST LINE? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT, HAVE A DISCUSSION. CONSIDER RENEWING THE CONTRACT WITH COUNTY AND THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL REGARDING CHILD SUPPORT. UH, SANDRA'S NOT HERE THIS MORNING, BUT IT'S PRETTY SEPARATE. SPECULATORY, WE HAVE TO RENEW OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM TO COLLECT CHILD SUPPORT EVERY YEAR. SO WE ENTERTAIN MOTION. SO MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER . ALL ACT. MOTION CARRIED. NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER POINTING JUDGES AND OPENING THE JUDGES FOR ALL ELECTIONS TO OF 2007. THE, UH, ONE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ELECT. JULY EIGHT, APPOINTED FOR TWO YEARS. DOES THE DEMOCRATIC ONE YEAR? THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ALRIGHT. SHE SAID WE USUALLY DO IT IN THE PAST. DONE IT ONE YEAR AT A TIME. AND, UH, AND THE DEMOCRATS, UH, PARTY ONLY SUBMITTED THEM IN ONE YEAR. LEMME DOUBLE CHECK THAT REAL QUICK. MAYBE IT'S TYPO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. UH, JARED, WE HAD A DALLAS CROWN REPORT FOR THE WEEKEND. JULY 21ST. WE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS FORM. OKAY. MOTION. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ACKNOW, THAT'S BEEN 5, 3, 4. YEAH, WE GOT HIM. TRANSFER WHILE STILL WAITING. YES, SIR. WE DO. IT WAS SUBMITTED TO US AS 3 0 8, BUT PAUL AGREES THAT WE NORMALLY JUST DO IT A YEAR AT A TIME. SO WE WE GOT ON AGENDA FOR THROUGH JUNE TWO, SEVENTH. SO, YEAH. ALL GOOD. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROWNING. ALL YE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. 2007. WE PROPOSED ONE ITEM, TRANSFERS IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT CATEGORY TO INCREASE INSURANCE, PROPERTY INSURANCE, $400 WITH REDUCTION IN THE DEDUCTIBLE. JUDICIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, INCREASE AUTOPSY AND POST-MORTEM. 30,000. TRANSPORT TO MEDICAL EXAMINER. 8,000 WITH REDUCTION IN, UH, TRANSFERS TO RIGHT OF WAY. JURY FUND INCREASED SPECIAL COURT WITH FOUR 5,000 IN REDUCTION IN JUROR FEES. PURCHASING AGENT INCREASED DUES. $280 FOR REDUCTION IN MISCELLANEOUS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. INCREASED JANITORIAL SERVICE. 4,000, REGARDED PICKUP 1000 WITH REDUCTION OF 5,000 IN LAWN CARE. SHERIFF'S FUND INCREASED PARTS AND [00:20:01] REPAIRS. 6,000 GAS AND OIL. 8,000 OFFICE FURNITURE EQUIPMENT. 2000 REDUCTION IN LAW ENFORCEMENT INSURANCE. 16,000 AND THE JAIL FUND INCREASED JANITORIAL SUPPLIES 2000. HUSTLE SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT. 20,000 SECURITY EQUIPMENT. MAINTENANCE 2000. REPAIRS REPLACEMENT 10,000 WITH REDUCTION OF 34,000 IN GROCERIES. CAPITAL OUTLAY INCREASED REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY. 20,000 WITH REDUCTION IN AIR CONDITIONING, UH, REPAIRS. UH, COMPUTER AREA. INCREASED SOFTWARE GROUP 13,000 2 93 WITH REDUCTION IN GOVERNMENT SERVICES, AUTOMATION, PROBATE AND ENCY. INCREASED ATTORNEY FEES. 1,500 WITH REDUCTION IN COUNTY COURT FEES. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AREA. INCREASED OFFICE FURNITURE 1,600 WITH REDUCTION IN OFFICE SUPPLIES OF 500 MILEAGE MILLS AND LODGING 600 AND TRAINING EDUCATION CONFERENCES. 500 GENERAL ROAD AND BRIDGE. INCREASED ROAD SIGNS 4,000 WITH REDUCTION IN BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT ONE. INCREASED EXTRA HELP. 3000 IN REDUCTION IN SALARIES. RO BRIDGE PRECINCT. TWO. INCREASED TOOLS AND NEW EQUIPMENT. 2000 WITH DEDUCTION IN ENGINEER COSTS. RO BRIDGE PRECINCT THREE. INCREASED EXTRA HELP. 1000 IN GAS AND OIL. 5,000 WITH REDUCTION IN PARTS AND REPAIRS OF 6,000. KALIN COUNTY LIBRARY. INCREASED SOCIAL SECURITY 300 WITH REDUCTION OF EXTRA HELP. Y'ALL HEARD THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST WOULD A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROW. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES JUSTICE. DID YOU NOTICE THAT MR. GUTHRIE HAD REPLACED ALL THE LIGHT BULBS IN HERE? UH, I GOOD. UH, NO. HAD NOT. I HAD NOT. I CAN SEE EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT'S FROWNING AT YOU . KATHY, YOU WANT TO START MAKING YOUR WAY UP? WELL, UM, THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY CHANGED A FEW OF THE RULES THAT AFFECT THE ONSITE SERVICE FACILITIES AND TCEQ ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE COUNTIES DIDN'T QUITE AGREE WITH IT, WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO ALL [00:25:01] THE COUNTIES AT THE URGING TCAQ ARE UPDATING THEIR COURT ORDERS TO MAKE THEM MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS PROPOSED FOR THE, THE REGULATIONS OR HAS PASSED THE REGULATIONS. OUR COURT ORDER ON THE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS, A THROUGH E ARE ARE THE SAME AS THEY WERE IN 1998. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS F AND THE REASON THAT HAS CHANGED TO REQUIRING A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR THE AEROBIC SYSTEMS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALLOWED NOW A HOMEOWNER TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN SYSTEM. AND THE STATE AND THE COUNTIES AND THE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH THIS, THEY FEEL THAT THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR A HOMEOWNER TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE WORKING PARTS TO THESE SYSTEMS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF PROPERLY. AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS COUNTY, WE'RE GETTING MORE URBAN INSTEAD OF RURAL. WE REALLY NEED TO WATCH, WE'RE DOING SUBJECT SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA CAUSE A NUISANCE OR AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT OR PUBLIC HEALTH. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THESE, THESE REGULATIONS BEING MORE STRINGENT. UM, NUMBER SEVEN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY. LETTER F REQUIRES THAT ALL SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT REQUIRE MAINTENANCE WILL HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT A HOMEOWNER IS GONNA HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A MAINTENANCE COMPANY TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE FOR THEIR SYSTEM. G ON THE OTHER HAND, ALLOWS A HOMEOWNER TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AS LONG AS THEY GET CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THAT SYSTEM. UM, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT A, UM, A MAINTENANCE CONTRACTOR HAS TO DO. THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF SYSTEM IN ORDER TO PERFORM MAINTENANCE ON IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING A HOMEOWNER TO DO. ALSO, UNDER THE CURRENT LAW, THE HOMEOWNER CAN TAKE LESSONS OR EIGHT HOUR TRAINING FROM A MAINTENANCE PROVIDER IN ORDER TO DO THE MAINTENANCE. WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO DO IS MAKE THAT HOMEOWNER, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO DO THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE, MAKE THEM GET CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE AN ASSAULT HAS TO DO. AND H UM, THEY CHANGE THE, THE LAW TO STATE THAT AS A DR WE CANNOT GO ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO LOOK AT A SYSTEM ANY MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS. THAT'S SOMETHING NEW. NOW, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, WE CAN GO ON AT ANY TIME. BUT JUST TO DO RANDOM INSPECTIONS TO SEE IF THE, THE SYSTEM'S WORKING PROPERLY, BEING MAINTAINED PROPERLY, THEY'VE CHANGED IT TO WHERE WE CAN'T GO ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE LAX TO WHERE WE CAN GO ON AT ANY TIME TO DO SPOT CHECKS TO MAKE SURE, ONE, IT PROTECTS THE HOMEOWNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INSTALLER IS DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER ISN'T DOING THE MAINTENANCE FOR WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. IF WE CAN ONLY DO THAT ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND OUT IF THEY'RE DOING IT OR NOT. SO THAT'S WHY'RE REQUESTING THAT TO BE MORE STRICT. AND I, UM, RIGHT NOW THE REGULATIONS OR RULES ALLOW FOR A HOMEOWNER TO INSTALL A CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM OR A LOW PRESSURE DOSING SYSTEM BY THEMSELVES. WE'RE JUST REQUIRING THAT THERE'S BE NO CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLATION OF ANY TYPE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM UNLESS YOU ARE A LICENSE INSTALLER. AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO URBANIZED AND WE'RE NOT RURAL ANYMORE THAT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE BEING INSTALLED PROPERLY AND MAINTAINED PROPERLY. THESE RULES ARE THESE, THE JUSTIFICATIONS ALSO, HAVE I ALREADY SUBMITTED TO TCQT. CQ HAS LOOKED AT SENATE BACK AND YEAH. THEY AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OKAY. UH, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER REV, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TELLER ALL FAVORS THE AYE A AYE I'LL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO ON THIS ISSUE? ONE ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING BEEN CONDUCTED AND HAVING NO RESPONSE, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK TO OUR RIVER MEETING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AND WE'RE BACK IN OUR OPEN SESSION. UM, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS, UH, TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVEN THE REVISED AND UPDATED COURT ORDER ADOPTING RULES OF TON COUNTY FOR SITE SEWAGE FACILITY. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE DON'T THINK THE RULES THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH ARE STRICT ENOUGH. REALLY? CORRECT. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE CAME UP. THIS SOUNDS LIKE ANYBODY COULD GO OUT AND INSTALL SYSTEM AND MAINTAIN IT AND THEY [00:30:01] DON'T HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORT. WE CAN'T GO ON AND CHANGE IT. SURE. OKAY. JUDGE THE LEGISLATURE, I MEAN, THE TQS SOLICITING US TO COME UP WITH MORE STRINGS REGULATIONS. IF YOU REMEMBER IN 2000 WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER AT COG AND WE BROKE AND THEN WE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS, ALL OF US WANTED TO GO TO ACRE AND A HALF MINIMUMS JUST LIKE ROCKWELL COUNTY. AND WE WERE TOLD AT THAT TIME THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPROACHED. OKAY. UM, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE ENT STANDARDS NOW, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE OR IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER AN AC AND A HALF NOW. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND SINCE THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET FLOODED WITH THEM, WE CHANGED IT. THEY MAY NOT NOTICE . THEY'LL KNOW. THEY'LL KNOW. YEAH. THE, UH, THE GUY WHO'S ALWAYS WORKED THIS AREA, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN AS GOOD. THAT CAME UP TO OUR MEETINGS UP IN ARLINGTON, UH, IS RETIRED. SAW WHERE HE WAS RETIRED COMMISSIONER, BUT HE WAS ALWAYS SEEMED SYMPATHETIC TO THE COUNTY. WELL, AND YOU KNOW, AND MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND YOU ALWAYS HEAR THAT THE STATE SAYS ACRE AND A HALF, WHY IT IS YOURS? ONE ACRE THAT'S HALF ACRE. YEAH. I MEAN HALF ACRE. AND YOU KNOW, AND WE ALWAYS EXPLAIN THAT IN, IN THE CLAY SOILS, WE'RE IN A HALF AN ACRE, JUST ISN'T GONNA WORK. UM, AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES IS ABOUT A FAMOUS SPORTSCASTER IN DALLAS, PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS SPORTSCASTER I DON'T WANNA MENTION OF HIS NAME. BUILT A HOUSE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD ALL OF HIS FRIENDS OVER AT THE HOUSE. AND, UH, SO IT INCLUDED NOT ONLY ALL OF HIS BROADCASTING FRIENDS, BUT ALL OF HIS SPORTS FRIENDS TOO. AND THEY WERE HAVING A BARBECUE OUT IN THE BACKYARD OF HIS BRAND NEW HOUSE WHEN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM CAME. AND ONE OF HIS FRIENDS SAID, UH, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD'VE TURNED OFF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. AND HE HUNG HIS HEAD DOWN AND SAID, THAT'S NOT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. . AND YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERN BESIDES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROCTOR VALUE OF, OF THE SOIL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ARE THAT WE HAVE SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES WITH KIDS. AND, YOU KNOW, MY MY NIGHTMARE IS, YOU KNOW, ON A WINDY DAY, SEEING SOMEBODY'S SEPTIC SYSTEM COME ON AND THEN BLOWING IN THE KIDS' SANDBOX NEXT DOOR AND, AND BLOWING ALL OVER THE SWING SET AND, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND TO FURTHER THAT NIGHTMARE IS TO THINK THAT OF PUTTING HOMEOWNERS IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINING THEIR OWN SYSTEM. WELL NOT EVERYBODY IS GONNA MAINTAIN THEIR OWN SYSTEM AND THEN WE CAN'T GO ON THE PROPERTY. BUT ONCE A FIVE NEEDS TO FOLLOW UP, AND IT IS, IT IS A TOTAL NIGHTMARE. AND THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT UP IS NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE BIGGER LOTS, BUT IF YOU RAISE THE SIZE OF LOTS, YOU MINIMIZE THE POSSIBILITY OF WIND BLOWING, UH, BLOWING SPRAY ONTO YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, OF COURSE, I GUESS WE COULD APPROVE THIS. WE COULD PUT IN SOME, PUT OUT SOME FILLERS TO CCQ, SEE IF THEY WERE APPROVED PAPER AND A HALF AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE, SEE IF WE COULD, UH, IF WE COULD RAISE THE MINIMUM AND LIFE SIZE. THE OTHER, THE OTHER BIG THING THAT CONCERNS ME AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT US SO MUCH IS THE TCEQ JUST SEEMS TO, UH, BE THROWING THE DOORS WIDE OPEN FOR DEVELOPERS TO PUT IN THEIR OWN PACKAGE SYSTEMS. AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO'S GONNA BE MAINTAINING THEM ON THE FRONT END, MUCH LESS IF THEY SELL THE PROJECT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. AND, AND, UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SCARY PROPOSITION THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T DEAL WITH US, THEY DEAL WITH THE STATE WHEN THEY DO THAT. RIGHT. THEY DEAL DIRECTLY WITH THE STATE. THEY NOT, AND, AND, AND, AND WE KNOW HOW TEDIOUS THE STATE IS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE SO MANY PERSONNEL IN SO LITTLE, UH, AREA TO COVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ON TOP OF IT. UH, OF COURSE, I'M BEING FACETIOUS. THEY . UH, I, I THINK, I THINK TTCQ HAS, HAS BEEN GIVEN FAR MORE THAN THEY CAN, THAN THEY CAN HANDLE. AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE PILES MORE AND MORE ON THEIR PLATE. AND, UH, I I, I THINK IT'S BEST HANDLED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. [00:35:01] BUT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, MAKE THE CHANGES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THEY WERE PROVEN. ABRAHAM. 'CAUSE I'M, THAT'S READY. I'M NOT PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AND MAKE THE, MAKE THE, MAKE THE CHANGES EVERYWHERE WHERE IT WORKS. BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF CHANGES. ARE WE SOME COUNTIES DOING THIS, WHAT I, I'VE BEEN HEARING AROUND ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE UPDATING THE COURTS TO DO THIS. AND IT'S, IT'S THE URGING OF TC DO THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEONARD, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVEL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. GOOD LUCK. KATHY. MOTION CARRIES. THIS IS GONNA BE QUITE A INCREASE DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. IT, I'VE GOT A FULLTIME AND A PART-TIME SECRETARY TO KEEP UP WITH IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S PRETTY MUCH PAPERWORK. IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS, THIS IS MAINLY JUST MAINTAINING WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? YOU HAVE ALL, WE HAVE YOU DOCUMENT THE SCHEDULE AND EVERYTHING. THE, THE MAINTENANCE COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO SEND US IN A, A MAINTENANCE REPORT WHEN THEY GO OUT AND DO MAINTENANCE. AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO SEND US IN A COPY OF THEIR MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WHEN THEY GET IT RENEWED EVERY YEAR. WE KEEP UP WITH THAT. AND THE ONES THAT EXPIRE, WE FILE EM IN COURT. WE ALSO GO BEHIND THE, THE MAINTENANCE COMPANIES AND WE RUN REPORTS EVERY MONTH TO SEE WHO'S, IF THEY'RE LATE ON SUBMITTING A REPORT, WE GO AFTER THEM. SHOULD WE GET IT'S LOT OF TEDIOUS PAPERWORK, BUT NONE THAT, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US THIS MORNING? UH, YEAH, LET'S HEAR IT. WHAT? I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD IT, HAVEN'T YOU? ? NO. I HAD A GOOD TRIP. I GOT MARRIED THIS LAST WEEK, KATHY, OFF AND CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. IT'S KATHY. MORRIS. MORRIS. MM-HMM . WE'RE GONNA CHANGE OVER OUR YOU GOT THAT ANGELA? THAT TO US ALL THE TIME. . CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS. THAT'S SIGNED UP. 31. WE [00:40:05] FOUND IT FOR, I JUST DON'T, I THINK JUST CHECK IT OUT. I BET IT'S GAS AND ALL. [00:45:15] WELL, DID YOU GET TO GO TO, OH, IS THAT, THERE'S NO, YOU SIT THERE FOR, I GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO NO, THAT WAS WELL, ORDINARILY IF I THAT TIME [00:51:45] GO, OH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU? THEY JUST GET UP AND START WALKING OUT. I KNOW MUCH ABOUT ANIMALS. I KNOW MUCH ABOUT OBSTETRICS, CONCERNING ANIMALS. THEY'RE A WHOLE LOT MORE, MORE READY TO LIVE THAN HUMAN BEINGS ARE. TAKES 18 YEARS, ALTHOUGH IT TAKES SOME OF 'EM 35 OR 40 YEARS TO GET READY TO LIVE. KIND OF SOME OF 'EM, LIKE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW SAID SOME OF 'EM TAKES LONGER TO GET A POOL'S HILL. I DIDN'T SEE IT. WHY TEENAGERS? WHAT? IT'S BOUND TO BE TRUE. REALLY? BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T GET THERE UNTIL THEY GET ABOUT THAT AGE. A LOT OF THEM. THAT, THAT LIGHT GOES ON UP THERE WHEN THEY GET ABOUT 19. I THINK SO AND ALL. [00:58:14] WHICH LAST NIGHT I WATCHED, WELL, YOU GAVE ME CONTACT PROBATE MISDEMEANORS. I THINK WE OUGHT GO. I, I AND YOU, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, 2000 WE NEED NOTHING. AND THE, YEAH, I, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PULL TOGETHER. SHE'S GONNA GO THROUGH THERE. SO HOPEFULLY [01:00:17] NO . NO YOU REALLY CAN'T. ACTUALLY, I, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY THEY REALLY DON'T KIND OF THE WAY. IT'S, I SAID COMMISSIONER DUNNER MAKES A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS AND IT SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. I'VE ENTERTAINED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANKS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER R. ALL MOTION CARRIES. WE ADJOURN. WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT 10 MINUTE BREAK AND, UH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.