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KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT, AUGUST 21ST, 2006.

I WONDER, FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY, AND FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BLESSING US AND FATHER GIVING US THE RIGHT SELF-GOVERNMENT.

FATHER, AS WE, AS WE REMEMBER OUR PREDECESSORS TO GIVE, FOUGHT AND DIED FOR BRIGHTON US TO GOVERN OURSELVES.

FATHER, YOU ASK THAT YOU GRANT US WISDOM AND HELP FOR US TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS WE CAN IN CONGRESS WITH YOUR WILL.

FATHER, PLEASE BE WITH OUR TROOPS OVERSEAS AND INCLUDING ALL THE FAMILIES IN THIS COUNTY WHO HAVE LOVED ONES FIGHTING FOR MOST FREEDOMS. AND FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH MY BROTHER IN IRAQ.

AND FATHER, PLEASE BRING HIS PATIENCE AND AGAIN, BRING US WISDOM.

AND JESUS CAME.

AMEN.

JOIN ME IN .

I'VE BEEN AT FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE AND THE TEXAS FLAG.

I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I, TEXAS ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

Y'ALL PRE YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING OF ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS.

IF THERE ARE NONE, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.

MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE ON FAIR.

AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS MS. MARGARET MOFFITT, AND SHE'S GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT PASSING A PROCLAMATION DECLARING, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL WEEK, INMAN COUNTY.

UH, THIS IS THE 219TH ANNIVERSARY OF ASSIGNMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE WEEK IS SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD.

AND IT'S A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THIS.

OKAY, YOU WANT TO, UH, ELABORATE ANYMORE? TELL US WHO YOU WITH AND WELL, UH, .

I, YES, I ADVERTISE JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, WITH THE RICHARD BARR CHAPTER OF, UH, DAR, WHICH IS LOCATED IN MES STATE, BUT IT ENCOMPASSES PART OF KAUFMAN COUNTY.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM THIS AREA.

I THINK THIS IS OUR, UH, NINTH YEAR GETTING THE PREPARATION.

WE MISSED A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT IN THAT NINE YEAR PERIOD, WE GOT CONFIRMATION FROM DR.

YES.

ONE COPIES TO Y'ALL, ONE FOR US.

GOOD.

UH, PROCLAMATION READS, UH, WHEREAS OUR FOUNDING FATHERS IN ORDER TO SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR POSTERITY, DID ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH A CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND WHEREAS IT IS OF THE GREATEST IMPORTANCE THAT ALL CITIZENS FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PROVISIONS AND PRINCIPLES CONTAINED IN THE CONSTITUTION IN ORDER TO SUPPORT IT, PRESERVE IT, AND DEFEND IT AGAINST ENCROACHMENT.

AND WHEREAS THE 219TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING OF THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES A HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL AMERICANS TO LEARN ABOUT AND RECALL ACHIEVEMENTS OF OUR F FOUNDERS, AND TO REFLECT ON THE RIGHTS AND COACHES OF CITIZENSHIP, AS WELL AS ITS AT ATTENDANT RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND WHEREAS THE INDEPENDENCE GUARANTEE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE CELEBRATED BY BROKERAGE CEREMONIES AND ACTIVITIES DURING THE CONSTITUTIONAL WEEK, SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD, AND IS DESIGNATED BY PROCLAMATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN ACCORDANCE WITH PUBLIC LAW NINE 15.

NOW, THEREFORE, THE HEREBY PROLE THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH, 23RD, 2006 AS CONSTITUTIONAL WEEK, AND THE COUNTY OF KAUFMAN URGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO PAY A SPECIAL ATTENTION DURING THAT WEEK TO OUR FEDERAL CONSTITUTION AND THE ADVANTAGE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.

OKAY.

MAY NOT FIND ANYBODY MAKE THAT MOTION.

WHO CAN AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.

I I'LL MAKE THE MOTION

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AND I GET SOMETHING TO SAY.

SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER, SECOND, SECOND COMMISSIONER, ROUND THURSDAY.

MOTION TO CARRY.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BRINGING THIS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO REMEMBER.

UM, IN THE, IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES WHEN RONALD REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT, UM, I GOT BURNED SADDLE WHEN MADELINE MURRAY HARE SAID THAT IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR PRESIDENT REAGAN TO DECLARE A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.

AND, UH, SO I, I LOOK BACK AND I, I READ, I REREAD THE COPY OF THE FIRST THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATION, AND THE FIRST THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATION WAS TO THANK GOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION.

UH, WAS THE REASON THAT THAT WASHINGTON ENACTED THE FIRST THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATION.

SO I TOOK A COPY OF IT TO WASHINGTON DC.

MY OLDEST SON WAS 18 MONTHS OLD.

MY WIFE WAS, HAPPENED TO BE WORKING IN WASHINGTON FOR TWO WEEKS AND, UH, UH, HAD MY OWN BUSINESS SO I COULD TURN IT OVER TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND, UH, SO WHILE MY WIFE WORKED, MY SON AND I WENT TO CONGRESSIONAL OFFICES ASKING THEM TO PASS THE FIRST THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATION WORD FOR WORD THE WAY IT WAS, BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST LINES IN THE THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATION SAYS, WHERE IS IT? IS THE DUTY OF ALL NATIONS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROVIDENCE OF ALMIGHTY GOD.

AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS STATEMENT IN LIE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY SAYING IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DECLARE A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.

THE IRONY OF THAT WAS CONGRESS ASKED FOR THAT PROCLAMATION, UH, AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY TOOK UP THE BILL OF RIGHTS IN, UH, IN COMMITTEE, WHICH COULDN'T BE INTERPRETED ANY IN ANY WAY ELSE, EXCEPT THAT THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS AN INTERPRETATION, UH, UH, THAT GOD IS A BIG PART OF, OF, OF OUR HISTORY BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

UH, AND SO I, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IRONY THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT HAS TURNED ON ITS HEAD TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MENTION GOD.

YOU CAN'T, UM, UH, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, AND YOU CAN'T DECLARE A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.

UM, WE, IF ANYBODY EVER LOBBIES IN, IN WASHINGTON, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST TAKE AN 18 MONTH OLD BABY WITH YOU, , BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT, AND THEY ACTUALLY TOOK IT UP.

UH, WHEN, OF COURSE, AS EVERYTHING DOES IN CONGRESS, THE FINAL PRODUCT ISN'T ALWAYS WHAT YOU INTENDED.

UH, IT WOUND UP BEING A COMBINATION BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN'S, UH, PROCLAMATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WATERED DOWN THE STRONG LANGUAGE IN WASHINGTON'S PROCLAMATION.

BUT ONE OF THE STOPS I MADE, I WAS, I WAS ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE BACK BEFORE IT WAS CLOSED, UH, IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THERE WERE EXECUTIVE OFFICES, AND I SAW AN OFFICE FOR THE NATIONAL DAY OF THANKSGIVING FOR THE CONSTITUTION.

SO I WENT IN AND, AND, UH, TALKED TO THEM AND ACTUALLY WAS APPOINTED TO THE NATIONAL, TO THE, UH, COMMITTEE FOR THE NATIONAL DAY OF THANKSGIVING FOR THE CONSTITUTION UNDER, UNDER THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION.

BUT, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A FUN TIME, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T FORGET.

AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BRINGING, BRINGING IT TO US.

IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER OUR HISTORY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WE THANK YOU.

MR. MAY I TAKE A PICTURE? THANK YOU.

FLORIDA.

YEAH.

CAN THE COURT STAND UP HERE? THAT WOULD BE TAKE.

FABULOUS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MARIO.

I'M SORRY I WAS IN YOUR WAY.

THAT WAS GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD.

SOMETIMES WE FAILED TO TAKE TIME TO REFLECT ON.

WE JUST TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

YEAH.

NEXT, ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE MR. HOWELL JONES, OUR COUNTY AUDITOR, AND HE'S GONNA PRESENT THE AUDITOR'S REPORT FOR JULY, 2006.

NOW, WE DON'T NEED ANY OF YOUR HISTORY.

DON .

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

IT GETS TAKEN EVERY TIME.

SO THIS WILL BE, UH,

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ON MY DESK THIS WEEK IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME BY AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW STAND YOU.

WELCOME TO DO MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, COURT, WHICH MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FELLER.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIED.

UH, NEXT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON ORDER AUTHORIZED ISSUANCE OF APPROXIMATELY $2,020,000.

KAUFFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS TAX NOTE SERIES 2006 B AND MATTERS RELATED THERE TOO.

AND WE HAVE, UH, TOM POLLEN, UH, WITH THE LAW FIRM, BIGGER STAFF, PETE POLLEN AND SO FORTH.

AND, UH, GEORGE WILFORD WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST HERE, AND THEY HAVE SOME, UH, FIGURE AS FOR US, Y'ALL WANT TO COME ON UP AND, UH, JUDGE, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, UH, PLEASURE TO BE BACK, UH, FOR YOU ALL TIME OUT THE, UH, ORDER, WHICH WOULD, UH, AUTHORIZE THE ISSUES OF THE NOTES, UH, I'LL EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF WHEN WE, UH, WERE CONTACTED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF HOW TO ARRANGE SALE, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN, UH, SOMEWHAT A SHORT TIMEFRAME AND SO ON, WHICH THIS IS NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL.

THE PROCESS.

WHAT WE RECOMMENDED WAS DOING A, UH, COMPETITIVE, UH, PROCESS FOR PRIVATE PLACEMENT OF THE NOTES WITH, UH, IN MOST CASES COMMERCIAL BANKS SINCE THIS ISSUE WOULD BE A BANK QUALIFIED, UH, VERY MUCH INTEREST, UH, ON THE PART OF CERTAIN BANKS THAT DO PURCHASE TAX EXEMPT SECURITIES AND SO ON.

SO WE, UH, ACTUALLY CONTACTED 10 BANKS IN TOTAL, INCLUDING ALL THE BANKS WITHIN KAUFMAN COUNTY, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ENTITIES WE KNOW, UH, ARE ACTIVE IN PURCHASING ISSUES, UH, UH, SUCH AS THIS.

AND, UH, UH, FOUR OF THE 10, UH, SAID THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE MEANS OR ANY INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING THREE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T RESPOND.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNUSUAL.

UH, LOCAL BANKS IN A LOT OF CASES, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE ORGANIZED AND SO ON, JUST DON'T HAVE THE INTEREST IN TAX EXEMPT, UH, DEBT.

THEY, BUT AT ANY RATE, WE RECEIVE THREE BIDS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE FRONT, UH, PAGE OF WHAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU.

UH, DIV, UH, OR TECH, THE INDEPENDENT BANKERS BANK.

THEY'RE A, UH, CORRESPONDENT FOR MOST OF ALL OF THE, UH, INDEPENDENT BANKS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS BID A RATE OF 4.22% CROSS BANK BID, 4.31, AND THEN AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK OF TEXAS, ACTUALLY OUT OF TARRELL BID 4.876.

ONE IMPORTANT POINT IS WE PUT IN THE COVER MATERIAL WAS SENT OUT THAT, UH, THE NOTES HAD TO BE CALLABLE OR PAYABLE AT ANY TIME AFTER ISSUANCE.

AND AS YOU'LL SEE, BOTH GIB AND, UH, AMERICAN NATIONAL COMPLIED, FROST SAID THEY COULD BE PREPAYABLE AT ANY TIME, BUT SUBJECT TO WHAT THEY CALL A MAY TOTAL MARK TO MARKET TYPE ARRANGEMENT, WHICH REALLY DIDN'T COMPLY, WE WERE AN UN CALLABLE AT JUST PAR PLUS THE INTEREST THAT WAS DUE AT WHATEVER POINT.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UH, IF THERE'S THE MEANS TO PAY SOME, UH, AMOUNT EARLY OR IF THERE'S A NEED TO RESTRUCTURE THIS DEBT FOR ANY REASON, THAT CAN BE DONE AT ANY TIME.

YOU'LL LOOK ON THE, UH, SECOND PAGE, THAT'S THE ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE ASSOCIATED WITH THE NOTES.

AND AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE, UH, TAX NOTES CANNOT GO BEYOND SEVEN YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE.

SO WE'VE GOT ACTUALLY SIX YEARS OF PRINCIPAL PAYMENT THIS FIRST YEAR, FISCAL YEAR, UH, OH SEVEN, UH, INTEREST ONLY.

UH, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS SO THAT IT DOVETAILS OR WRAPS IN WITH THE, UH, SHORTER TAX NOTE THE COURT, UH, RECENTLY DID.

YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, FOR THE SIX YEARS, OH EIGHT THROUGH 13, AND THIS IS USING THE TAXABLE VALUE FOR THIS UPCOMING, UH, YEAR THAT, THAT WE OBTAINED 4,647 MILLION.

UH, THE REQUIRED REPAYMENT FOR OUR TAX RATE FOR ROUGHLY 380,000 OF ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE, UH, SOMEWHERE OVER EIGHT TENTHS, UH, OF A PENNY, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR

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THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL UNDER TWO TENTHS OF A PENNY OR 0.17 UH CENTS.

WHEN YOU ADD THAT TO THE, UH, TAX NOTE, UH, THAT YOU DID, PRINCIPAL AND AND INTEREST ASSUMED THAT FOR HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA RUN, UH, TOGETHER SHOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 1.30 CENTS OF TAX RATE.

CAN YOU TAKE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, MILLION $695,000 PAYMENT, ROUGHLY, UH, THAT'S DUE ON THE, UH, 2002 ISSUE FOR THE JAIL.

THAT WOULD REQUIRE BY ITSELF ABOUT 3.76.

SO ALL TOTAL, UH, THE SHORT TAX NOTE, THE INTEREST ON THIS AND THE, UH, JAIL PAYMENT WOULD BE, UH, SLIGHTLY OVER, UH, 5 CENT REQUIRED TAX RATE FOR OVERALL DEBT SERVICE.

AND I'M GLAD TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR LET TOM, UH, GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE, UH, PROCESS.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE THE ORDER BEFORE YOU, IT'S COMPLETE EXCEPT THE ONE BLANK WHICH, UH, THE AUDITOR WILL PROVIDE TO US.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WE REIMBURSE ARE QUALIFIED, QUALIFY.

UH, THE LAST NUMBER I HAD HEARD WAS APPROXIMATELY $98,000, BUT WE WANT TO VERIFY TO MAKE SURE EVERY ONE OF THOSE ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE TO BE REIMBURSED.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE ORDER IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT INCORPORATES THE, UH, INTEREST RATE THAT GEORGE WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM TIB, AND IT DOES PROVIDE THAT THESE ARE CALLED IN ANY TIME BY THE COUNTY.

YOU A NOTICE, UH, ON THE ORDER IN FOURTH PARAGRAPH, IT POINTS OUT THAT, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TO BE TO THE, UH, KAMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE, KAMAN COUNTY COURTHOUSE, ANNEX, OLD KAUFFMAN COUNTY JAIL BUILDING ON HIGHWAY 34, AND THE OLDMAN COUNTY JAIL BUILDING ON JACKSON STREET AND PAY COST OF ISSUANCE AND THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS. NOW WE'VE GOT 2,020,000 BECAUSE THAT WAS A ROUGH GUESS.

UH, MEAN, TOM, YOU MAY EXPLAIN TO US, UH, UH, SUPPOSE WE JUST SPEND A MILLION OF THAT, THEN HOW DO WE DO IT? WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THESE ARE CALLABLE.

ANY TIME, IF YOU STILL HAVE A MILLION LEFT OVER, UH, AFTER YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO DO AND MAYBE NOT DO EVERYTHING, THEN WE WOULD GIVE NOTICE TO THE BANK TENDER BACK THAT BILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE, UH, NOTE IN THE AMOUNT YOU PAY BACK.

CAN YOU TAKE IT OFF OF THE LONGEST MATURITIES FIRST? I UNDERSTAND THE, WHEN THE MONEY COMES IN, THEN JOHNNY WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT MONEY, GO AHEAD AND INVEST IT AT THAT TIME.

STAY INVESTED UNTIL THE DRAWINGS ARE MADE, AND YOU GOT TWO YEARS WHERE YOU CAN INVEST IT AT THE BEST RATE YOU CAN GET.

AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT CONSTRAINED TO, UH, UH, YIELD RESTRICTED.

SO THAT CAN OFFSET, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO PAY.

ALRIGHT, JOHNNY, YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? OR YOU GOT ANY? NOT THAT.

I KNOW.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE SHOULD DO THIS OR NOT.

GOOD.

AND I THINK AFTER THE, UH, VOTERS, UH, SAID, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BUILD A NEW COURTHOUSE, WE WANT YOU TO, UH, WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND REMODEL THAT, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS A MANDATE TO REMODEL.

UH, I DUNNO, UH, HOW ELSE IT COULD BE TAKEN.

AND I, I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE BONDS RATHER THAN TAKEN OUT THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'VE TO CONTINUE TO CUT SERVICES IF WE TAKE OUT THE GENERAL FUND.

AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THIS.

WELL, I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE, THE VOTERS SAID, DON'T SPEND 21 MILLION, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE VOTERS WOULD BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A MILLION OR 2 MILLION.

AND IF, UH, IF ANYBODY LOOKS OUT THERE AT THE OLD JAIL AS TO, LET'S CALL IT

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THE SOUTH CAMPUS, JUST DON'T CALL JAIL ANYMORE.

BUT IF ANYONE LOOKS OUT THERE AND SEES THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON AND THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE OFFICES THAT ARE SET UP OUT THERE, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE WELL PLEASED WITH THAT.

AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

UH, THERE'S STILL PARKING AREAS TO BE PUT IN.

THERE'S STILL THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVER HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WAS LOOKING FOR.

WHO WAS THE 2 MILLION NUMBER? WHO DID, THAT'S ROUGH GUESS, JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHAT HAS, WHAT'S THE REMODELING OVER HERE IN THE, IN THE COURTHOUSE.

I THINK ALL OF THAT TOGETHER WAS JUST A, AN ESTIMATE.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS ANSWERED WHO GAVE US THE $2 MILLION PAPER? I MEAN, HOW DID WE ARRIVED AT THAT? THAT WAS A GUESS BY ME.

AND JOHNNY CAN HAVE IT'S CALLABLE THOUGH.

IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT, YOU CAN.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT.

YES.

IF YOU SPEND $500,000, THEN YOU TAKE THAT MILLION AND A HALF AND PAY IT OFF, PAY IT OFF.

BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, IF WE WERE TO REMODEL, IF WE WORK TO DO THIS OVER HERE, THIS OVER HERE IS 800,000 IN IT ITSELF.

OKAY.

WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? FROM THE, BECAUSE I, I, I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ESTIMATE.

OKAY.

UM, OF, I MEAN, THE NUMBER YOU JUST GAVE I, IS, IS A NUMBER I'VE NEVER EVEN SAVED, IT'S NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED IN A WORKSHOP.

YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN I ASKED THE AQUI ABOUT THE ARCHITECTS REPORT, IT DIDN'T HAVE A DOLLAR FIGURE IN THERE.

THEN I WAS INFORMED, SAID, WELL, YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO.

YEAH.

I THINK THE PURCHASING AGENT HAS A REPORT FROM THAT ARCHITECT BACK ON THAT, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT, I THINK WHAT WE HAD WAS THE ORIGINAL 500,000 THAT HE HAD ESTIMATED AND THEN AND ADDED 300 MORE FOR ADDITIONAL, YEAH.

ANOTHER HUNDRED OR SOMETHING LIKE SIX OR EIGHT, SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE.

IS THAT WHAT WE SPENT AT $1,700 ON JACK? YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IT WAS, IT SURE WAS.

WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO WITH ONE OF THESE NOTES BACK TAKING THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT YOU THINK IT MIGHT COST, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A SMALLER NUMBER THEN COME BACK POINT.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE MADE THIS CALLABLE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT INCUR ISSUANCE COSTS TWICE.

WELL, I THINK WE HOPE THAT THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH MONEY, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL.

BUT TAKING THAT, THAT'S LOGICAL THING TO DO IN MY OPINION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU THROUGH YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TOM.

TOM.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DID DISCUSS THE ONE, SOME AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND YOU KNOW, I MADE THE COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE A PERCE PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT WE'RE EXCEEDING THE 8% ROLLBACK RATE BY BORROWING MONEY.

AND THE COMMENT CAME BACK, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LEGALITY.

THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS SET UP TRUTH AND TAXATION AND THEY SAID FOR DEBT RATE, THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE ROLLBACK RATE.

THEY'VE TAKEN THAT OUT.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS SET UP FOR YOUR, UH, METHOD OF FINANCE.

OKAY, WELL, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WAS SAID IN THE WORKSHOP WAS THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UM, BUT OF COURSE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, UM, WITH THIS DEBT SERVICE, EVEN THE CUTS WE AGREED TO LAST WEEK WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY EXCEED A 8% ROLLBACK RATE.

AND YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS JUST CREATIVE FINANCING TO, TO GET AROUND 8% ROLLBACK RATE.

I THINK WE COULD HAVE PAID, WE COULD HAVE LOWERED THIS AMOUNT, AND I THINK WE COULD HAVE REDUCED SPENDING A LITTLE MORE AND PAID FOR THIS THROUGH THE REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS.

AND, UM, UH, LIKE I SAY, I, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MUCH IS BEING PLANNED TO BE SPENT ON, ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS. UM, AND, UH, TO THIS DAY, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S, HERE'S WHAT

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WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT ON.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, IT COULD BE ANY COMBINATION, UH, THEREOF.

UH, AND LIKE I SAY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN DISCUSS THIS IN DETAIL IN A BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING BOARD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, MY PARTY'S PRIMARY THAT OVERWHELMINGLY THE VOTERS VOTED THAT THEY, THEY WANTED TO SEE CAPS ON APPRAISALS AND, AND REVENUE CAPS.

UH, IT WAS OVER 90% IN THIS COUNTY.

AND, UM, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE, I JUST HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT STAYING WITHIN, STAYING WITHIN THE BUDGET.

IF WE STAY BEHIND BELOW THE ROLLBACK RATE, WE STILL HAVE $3 MILLION THAT WE COULD SPEND IN THE COUNTY.

UH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.

WELL, I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE, ARE YOU, YOU'RE TALKING TO TOM, TOM'S NOT HERE TO BE BROWBEAT ABOUT THIS POPULATION.

IF YOU WANT MAKE YOU MAKING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE PUBLIC AND GRANDSTAND, THAT'S OKAY, BUT DON'T BE DIRECTING TO TOM.

COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, WELL KEEP BRINGING UP THIS ROLLBACK RATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET ROLLBACK RATE BEFORE FRIDAY.

ROLLBACK RATE WAS 4, 4 9, I BELIEVE.

AND WE'RE PROBABLY AT FOUR THREE, MAYBE FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF.

WORST CASE FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF.

WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ROLLBACK RATE? WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE.

AND THE DEBT SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THIS, THIS FUZZY MATH IS WHAT I CALL IT.

WELL, IT'S NOT MATH GRADES FOUR NINE, RIGHT? IF WE SPENT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS BUDGET YEAR, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD MORE THAN EXCEED 8% ROLLBACK RATE.

IF, IF WE INCLUDED ALL OF THIS IN THE BUDGET, ABSOLUTELY NOT, UH, THAT SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED.

OKAY, THEN, THEN PUT IT IN THE REGULAR BUDGET.

IF WE'RE NOT GONNA EXCEED 8%, WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THIS NOTE GOING BE? IT GOES OUT SEVEN YEARS.

SEVEN, AND IT SPREADS OUT SO THAT ANYBODY MOVES IN COUNTY BLUE BEARS AIR FAIR SHARE, AND WE HAVE DISTRICT COURT TO EXPAND ANOTHER COUNTY COURT AT LAW TO BUILD, WE HAVE 20 OFFICES CPS COURT OVER THERE.

WE HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

FIVE, YEAH.

YEP.

YEAH, DOWN TO FOUR MONTHS.

FOUR MONTHS.

WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO FOUR MONTHS.

WHERE YOU GONNA GET THAT ON GENERAL FUND? I, I UNDERSTAND YOU.

UH, OCTOBER 1ST, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE RAISE THE TAX RATE TO THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, WE HAVE 8%.

WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION TO DEAL TO DEAL WITH.

THAT'S NEW MONEY COMING INTO THE BUDGET.

REAL MONEY DOESN'T COME IN UNTIL PROBABLY OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.

THAT'S REAL MONEY.

JUST BECAUSE THE DOLLAR IS IN THE BUDGET, THAT DON'T MEAN THE MONEY'S THERE.

WHEN THE TAXES START COMING IN AND THE REVENUE STARTS COMING, THAT'S REAL MONEY.

UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT UNTIL PROBABLY ONE JANUARY.

WORST CASE, UH, WE CAN'T WAIT TILL ONE JANUARY.

I STILL SAY THE PUBLIC SAID DON'T SPEND $23 MILLION.

THAT'S IT.

I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS, AND I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR 'EM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT SPENDING SOME MONEY.

AND WHETHER IT'S A MILLION OR WHETHER IT'S TAKING THE WHOLE 2 MILLION, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND THE 23 MILLION, DO THIS AND MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.

WE STRETCHED IT AS FAR AS WE CAN, THE OFFICE OF COURT COLLECTIONS, WHICH IS WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES.

OKAY? OUR SHORTFALLS BASED ON LIMITED COURT COLLECTIONS.

THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE OUR PROBLEM IS.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT WITH OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC DEFENDER.

WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM NOW.

UH, THE AVERAGE RATE IS 65%, WE'RE PROBABLY 15, 20% IN THIS COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

WE'VE TRIED DIFFERENT THINGS.

NONE OF 'EM HAS SOLVED 'EM.

SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO COLLECTING FINES AND PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHERE OUR SHORTFALL WAS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THERE'S A SHORTFALL.

AND, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP IN THE BUDGET MEETING LAST, LAST FRIDAY THAT, UH, I PULLED UP THE NUMBER OF BANKRUPTS AND FORECLOSURES.

CURRENTLY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS ON THE SAME TRACK BECAUSE THEY RAN AN ARTICLE THIS WEEKEND ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF, UH, BANKRUPTCIES AND FORECLOSURES IN THE COUNTY IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP OFF.

BASICALLY THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE DID WAS JUST ROLL SALARIES INTO ON, INTO THE BUDGET YEAR, WHICH NOW

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WE ARE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY THOSE FULL SALARIES NEXT BUCKET, YEAR PLUS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, ADD DEBT SERVICE.

I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE JUST ROLLING EXPENDITURES INTO THE FUTURE.

UM, AND, UH, YOU CAN CALL IT DEBT SERVICE, BUT WHEN YOU SPEND TOO MUCH IN THE, IN THE BUDGET, YOU CREATE A NECESSITY OF HAVING TO HAVING TO BORROW MONEY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS, UH, IS, UH, BORROWING MONEY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CUT ENOUGH IN THE, IN THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, BASICALLY THIS IS THIS, WHEN IT'S FALL DOWN IS FOR OPERATING EXPENSES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LIVE WITH OUR MEANS IN THE REGULAR BUDGET.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOT ANYTHING TO, I TAKE MOTION THROUGH TO, UH, ISSUE THESE, UH, $2,020,000 IN, UH, TEXAS TAX NOTES.

SO MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LER.

I THINK WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO.

OKAY.

NO.

ALRIGHT.

2, 2, 5.

COUNTY JUDGE VOTES TO ISSUE THE THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, GEORGE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

NEXT WITH DISCUSSION, CONSIDER AUTHORIZED RICHARD MURPHY AND LAURA HUGHES TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF ACQUISITION OF AN AVAILABLE LOT NEAR CAMAN COUNTY SQUARE OR CAMAN SQUARE AND CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING FOR USE AS A STORAGE OF RECORDS AND EQUIPMENT FOR BIDEN COUNTY CLERK VOTER ELECTIONS AND TAX OFFICE.

DICK, YOU GONNA SPEAK TO THAT MATTER? UH, YES, HONOR, PRETTY MUCH SELF.

I THINK SO.

AND SINCE WE PUT IT ON HERE, I PUT IT ON HERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY TOLD ME I WAS SUPPOSED TO, I'VE SINCE LEARNED THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN APPROPRIATE TO BE ON HERE, BUT NONETHELESS, UH, LAURA HUGHES REPRESENTING THE COUNTY CLERK AND MYSELF REPRESENTING TAX, UH, VOTER AND THE ELECTION, UH, COMBINED, WE HAVE A RATHER SERIOUS STORAGE PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO RESOLVE IT, UH, AND ONE OF WHICH, UH, WOULD BE CONSTRUCTABILITY.

AND I JUST WANT TO PURSUE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY ALONG WITH OTHER POSSIBILITIES.

AND I WAS TOLD TO GET YOUR ALL PERMISSION TO EVEN PURSUE THAT.

THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A PROBLEM DISCUSSING THE PURCHASING REAL ESTATE PROPERTY AND OPEN.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO, WELL, ALL HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING IS AUTHORIZING THEM TO GO OUT AND START LOOKING, BUT YEAH, I DON'T HAVE, I KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM.

COMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WORST POSSIBLE TIMING IN THE SA LONG RANGE PLAN.

WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WITH SOME OF THE OFFICES, UH, BEING MOVED OUT TO THE, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS, SOUTH CAMPUS, UH, , UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, I KNOW THERE IS SOME SPACE BEING SET ASIDE FOR STORAGE OUT THERE, PLUS THE BUILDING ITSELF.

OF COURSE, IT IS AWAY FROM THE SQUARE.

IT'S NOT WHERE AN EMPLOYEE CAN JUST WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND GET A FILE.

DON'T REALIZE THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF UP HERE THAT IN THE EVENT YOU ULTIMATELY WANTED TO REDO THAT FOR OFFICE SPACE, YOU GOTTA HAVE IT SOMEWHERE.

YEAH.

AND SO THEREFORE, AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THING THAT TRIGGERED THIS IDEA.

ALL YOU'RE ASKING, ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS PERMISSION, LAURA, I TO LOOK OUT THERE AND SEE YES.

I'M NOT ASKING TO BUY ANYTHING, NOT ASKING TO SPEND ANY MONEY, NOT EVEN SEEING, I JUST WANT EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOLVING OUR MUTUAL STORAGE PROBLEMS. COME BACK AND TO THE COURT.

ABSOLUTELY.

WELL, I HAVE, MY COMMENT IS THE SAME AS, YOU KNOW, SAME LINE AS THE JUDGE.

IT'S IN THE SOUTH CAMPUS.

HOW MANY CELLS WOULD YOU LIKE ? WE GIVE YOURSELF LIKE 25.

WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE THAT, UH, YOU CAN'T BE USED FOR MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S

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GOT THOSE BIG IRON BUNKS.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE SUGGESTED IS THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE EXPLORING.

OKAY.

I JUST WANT PERMISSION TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, I CARRY DOWN THERE, GO LOOK DOWN THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME STUFF STORED.

DICK DOES HAVE A UNIQUE PROBLEM IN SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT THAT CAN'T BE STORED IN JUST LITTLE S AND I TOOK DICK OUT THERE WHERE WE'RE CREATING A SPOT THAT I'M HOPING IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR THIS.

UH, I THINK HE HAS SOME QUESTIONS, WHETHER IT'S BIG ENOUGH OR NOT, BUT ONCE WE GET IT ALL TOGETHER, UH, I, I THINK IT'LL BE, I THINK THERE'LL BE ENOUGH STORAGE OUT THERE.

IT IS AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE.

THAT'S NOT A WAY OF, IN SOME COUNTIES, UH, I KNOW IF YOU SAY YOU WANT TO GO LOOK AT A PROBATE FILE OR A CRIMINAL FILE AND THE WAY THEY'VE GOT IT BROKE DOWN, SAY IF IT'S, UH, LESS THAN A YEAR OLD, IT'LL BE SOMEPLACE CLOSE TO THE COURTHOUSE.

AND USUALLY WHERE YOU CAN PICK IT UP THAT AFTERNOON AND, AND LOOK AT THE FILE AND SOME, IF IT'S, UH, NOT VERY OLD, YOU'D BE RIGHT THERE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

BUT SOMETIMES IF THEY'RE PAST A CERTAIN AGE, THEY'RE OFF SOMEWHERE IN DALLAS COUNTY AND YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A FORM AND THEN THEY'LL TELL YOU, WELL, WE'LL HAVE IT BACK HERE IN A WEEK.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN A WEEK WOW.

TO LOOK AT THE FILE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT UNHEARD OF ABOUT HAVING STORAGE OF RECORDS AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE, BUT THEY DATE 'EM, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER THEY ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE.

UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU CAN BE THINKING ABOUT ON, I GUESS IF I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEM EXPLORING THIS AND LOOKING AT IT.

THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS WE HAVE ALL THAT LAND OUT WITH THE NEW JAIL IS, AND, UH, POSSIBLY WHEN ALL THE AIR CLEARS AND WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF SPACE WE NEED HERE AND WHAT GOES ON, WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE AND PROBABLY HELP THE SHERIFF WITH A LITTLE BUILDING FOR HIS, UH, PISTOL RANGE.

I THINK HE'S BEEN ONE ONE OF THOSE SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND.

AND SO WE COULD, UH, POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING OUT THERE AND NOT DO ANYTHING IN THE CITY.

I DON'T WANT MY BOULDERS RUNNING AROUND PISTOL .

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THERE'S PLENTY OUT THERE.

YOU CAN THE SPOT.

I HOPE WE, UH, GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO EXPLORE THIS OPTION.

MOTIONS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUNDS.

NO, SIR.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.

ALL A OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

WOULD YOU PUT DOCUMENTS OUT THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO REGULARLY OR PERIODICALLY OR WHENEVER.

LONG TERM STORAGE.

LONG TERM STORAGE.

NEXT ITEM IS DICK'S ALSO DISCUSSED.

CONSIDER PROOF, REGULAR AND TEMPORARY EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS ON AND ELECTION DAY VOTING LOCATIONS FOR NOVEMBER 7TH, 2007 ELECTIONS.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN A REVISED, UH, SCHEDULE A AND ON THE BACK OF IT'S SCHEDULE A ONE THAT'S THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS.

UH, THE FIRST FOUR ARE THE ONES WE ALWAYS USE FOR EVERYTHING THE SUB COURT HAS.

THE FIFTH ONE IS, REPRESENTS THE EARLY VOTING, UH, TEMPORARY LOCATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED BY, UH, SPECIFICALLY HERE, THE TERRELL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR BOND ELECTION AND, UH, CITY OF FORNEY FOR THEIR BOND ELECTIONS AT THE MOMENT.

THERE'S SOME UNRESOLVED QUESTIONS.

WE'VE GOT A MEMORANDUM AT THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO TRY TO GET THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME CONFLICTING LAWS OF WORK, UH, WHERE ONE REQUIRES THE CITY IN ANY ELECTION TO HAVE 12 HOUR DAYS, TWO 12 HOUR DAYS.

BUT THE QUESTION OF WHEN WE DO A CONSOLIDATED ELECTION, DOES THAT STILL APPLY? THE SECRETARY OF STATE ASKED ME TO SUBMIT IT IN WRITING.

I DID.

AND I YET TO RECEIVE AN ANSWER.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, A RESOLUTION OF WHETHER WE HAVE RIGHT COMPUTER ACCESS AT ALL THESE TEMPORARY LOCATIONS IN TERRELL.

AND, UH, WHETHER WE REALLY WANT, WHETHER WE'RE REALLY A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE HAVE A SEPARATE OR COMBINED ELECTION, WE MAY RUN THE TARRELL ELECTION AS A SEPARATE ELECTION AT ANY ANYWAY, WITH THESE TWO THINGS IN THE AIR, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, UH, POST OR WHATEVER TERM IS THE FURTHEST UNTIL NEXT WEEK.

UNTIL TABLE, UNTIL NEXT WEEK.

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I, I, I AGREE.

I I JUST, I'VE GOT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER HERE, LL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

WHAT THESE ARE, WHAT THESE ARE IS A SCHOOL HAS A FUNCTION, UH, LIKE A FOOTBALL.

THEY DIDN'T DO THE FOOTBALL STADIUM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTER ACCESS, BUT IN EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS ON DIFFERENT NIGHTS, THEY'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF FUNCTION AND TRY TO GET ALL OF THE SCHOOL PEOPLE IN THERE TO GO FOR THE SCHOOL BODY WHILE THEY'RE AT THAT FUNCTION.

IT'S NOT LIKE AN OPEN POLLING, LIKE A MOBILE VOTING PLACE.

EXACTLY WHAT THE SCHOOLS DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

YEAH.

THEY'LL SET UP A POLLING PLACE OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND EXACTLY.

THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

OKAY.

BUT IT IS FOR COUNTY ATLANTA.

IT'S VERY UNCOMMON.

THAT'S GONNA MAKE A REAL INTERESTING SITUATION IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE REGULAR GENERAL ELECTION.

OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA SET THIS UP A DIFFERENT PLACE EVERY DAY.

EVERY YEAH, WE CAN MECHANICALLY WE CAN DO IT.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE, I MEAN, ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THIS FOR THE STATE'S NATIONAL ELECTION AND I DON'T KNOW.

I'M WAITING ON SECRETARY OF STATE TO TELL ME THIS STUFF.

ALRIGHT, SO TODAY WE'LL JUST TABLE THIS AND YOU'LL COME BACK NEXT WEEK UP.

EVENTUALLY, I, I MOVE.

WE TABLE THIS FOR TODAY.

SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROD TO TABLE THIS AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE TABLE? ALL I APOLOGIZE FOR BURDEN Y'ALL, BUT TWO ITEMS OF THE RULE THAT WE CAN'T MAKE.

OKAY, LET'S SEE.

NEXT, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ELECTION OFFICER TO CONTRACT WITH VARIOUS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS, CITIES AND OTHER ENTITIES TO CONDUCT AND SUPERVISE THEIR ELECTIONS TO BE HELD NOVEMBER 7TH.

THAT'S JUST A NORMAL CONTACT THAT YOU HAVE.

NORMAL CONTRACT.

YES.

AND SO FAR, UH, TERRIBLE ISDS HAVING A BOND ELECTION.

FORNY CITIES HAVING A BOND ELECTION.

FORNY I SDS HAVING A BOND ELECTION AND ONE OF THE MUDS IS HAVING AN ELECTION.

IT'S NOT A BOND ELECTION AND IT'S ONE, IT'S LOT ONE.

THEY HAVE ONE REGISTERED VOTER, BUT NONETHELESS THEY HAVE TO PAY US TO RUN THEIR ELECTION FOR OKAY, WE'LL BE REIMBURSED FOR THE COST.

YES.

RUNNING THOSE ELECTIONS.

YES SIR.

AND ALSO IN THAT CONTRACT, ANY OF THESE SPECIAL TEMPORARY EARLY VOTINGS, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT COST WILL BE PAID BY THE ND.

THAT'S CALL.

BUT YES, WE'LL BE REIMBURSED AT PRO RATTA RATES BASED ON POPULATION, UH, FOR THE COST OF SHARING THE ELECTIONS.

OKAY.

MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE TO ALLOW THAT SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROUND.

ALL IN FAIR ACT.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIED.

THANK YOU.

YOU WANNA DO THE NEXT ONE TOO, OR ? NOT REALLY.

ROAD MATE.

OH, WE TALKING ABOUT THREE C FOUR? SURE, SURE.

.

THANKS DAVID.

THIS IS JUST A RENEWAL OF AN EXISTING INTERLOCK, UH, TO ASSIST THE CITY OF COMBINE IN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE BASED ON TIME AND MATERIAL.

MAKE THE MOTION WE AUTHORIZE THE JUDGE TO SIGN THIS COUNTRY MOTION MADE BY FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE, WITH THE CITY OF COMPOUND ROAD MAINTENANCE.

SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROUND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION TO CARRIED.

JERRY, WE HAVE THE DALLAS CROWN REPORT FOR JULY 28TH, AUGUST 3RD, AND AUGUST 11TH.

JUDGE, I'M OVER THE, WE WE ACKNOWLEDGE, ACCEPT OF THESE REPORTS.

ACKNOWLEDGE THE FILING OF THE FILING OF THIS REPORT.

TIME.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE TWO YEARS.

MOTION MEETING.

BACK TO , BACK TO COMMISSIONER, GOVERNOR.

AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES.

YOU KNOW, I I I'VE TAUGHT A THOUSAND YEARS WHEN SOME FROM NOW WHEN SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH THE ARCHIVES AND THEY SEE ALL THESE SLAUGHTER REPORTS FOR HORSES.

GO WHAT BUNCH COWBOYS, .

THAT

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WAS THAT ALL OR JUST INDIVIDUAL? ALL.

YEAH.

OKAY.

HOW DO WE HAVE ANY LINE ITEM? YES SIR, WE DO.

PROPOSED LINE ITEM TRANSFERS TO THE DA'S OFFICE FOR GAS AND OIL.

INCREASED $400 IN REDUCTION IN MILEAGE, MEALS AND LOGIC.

JP TWO.

INCREASED MISCELLANEOUS $5 REDUCTION IN DUES MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.

INCREASED JANITORIAL SUPPLIES 2000 WITH REDUCTION IN JANITORIAL SERVICE FOR COFFMAN OF 1000 EQUIPMENT REPAIRS.

1000 PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, INCREASED MILEAGE UNITS AND LODGING.

500 REDUCTION IN TRAINING.

FIRE MARSHAL INCREASED DUE $135 AND TOOLS.

EQUIPMENT 700.

THE REDUCTION IN FILM AND SUPPLIES.

35.

TRAINING OF 500.

MISCELLANEOUS 200 THE SHERIFF'S FILE INCREASED HANDHELD PORTABLE RADIOS.

2,100 UH, WITH REDUCTION IN RADIO REPAIRS.

PPS OFFICE INCREASED OFFICE FURNITURE EQUIPMENT $1,120 WITH REDUCTION IN FILM AND SUPPLIES, UH, CHARITIES FOR RELIEF.

INCREASED STATEMENT OF FACTS.

$300 PRODUCTION IN COUNTY COURT LAW.

CAPITAL OUTLAY INCREASED PURCHASE OF PROPERTY 16,000 PRODUCTION INTO THE TRANSFER OF RIGHT OF WAYS.

PROBATE LUNACY INCREASED ATTORNEY FEES.

2000 WITH REDUCTION IN THE 86 DISTRICT DEFENSE COSTS.

DA CHECK FUND INCREASED EMPLOYEES HEALTH INSURANCE.

ONE $51 REDUCTION IN MISCELLANEOUS CHILD SHELTER, INCREASED GROCERIES.

5,500 PERSONAL CARE SUPPLIES.

1000 GAS AND OIL 2000 SHELTER UPKEEP 4,000 IN REDUCTION IN MISCELLANEOUS 1,500.

RECREATIONAL OUTINGS OF 4,000 AND RECREATION SUPPLIES OF 7,000 ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT.

TWO.

INCREASED HARDWARE OF $100 DEDUCTION IN PARTS AND REPAIRS.

ROAD BRIDGE PRECINCT FOUR.

INCREASED UNIFORMS 2000 WITH REDUCTION IN CONTRACT LABOR.

COFFMAN COUNTY LIBRARY.

INCREASED BOOKS 1,400 WITH REDUCTION IN EQUIPMENT REPAIRS, ADULT PROBATION, INCREASED INSURANCE, $500 REDUCTION AND EXTRA HELP.

SOLID WASTE CONVENIENCE STATION.

INCREASED HAULING COSTS OF CARROLL 3016 WITH REDUCTION OF UH, CITY OF TAR EXPENSES.

3001 $16.

JUVENILE PROBATION.

FOUR E PROGRAM.

INCREASED NON-RESIDENTIAL SERVICES.

4,000 AND RESIDENTIAL SERVICES 10,000 WITH REDUCTION IN TRANSFERS OF 14,000.

ADDITIONALLY IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUES AND UH, POST BUDGET INCREASE FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF 9,000 BUCKS.

Y'ALL HEARD THE UH, LINE AND TRANSFER REQUEST? ANYTHING? MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MADE BY COMMISSIONER.

BY COMMISSIONER SHANE ON FAIR MOTION CARRIED.

DO WE HAVE ANY BID? YES SIR.

UM, ALL I WHY ARE WE HAVING TO TAKE NINE?

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I DUNNO.

THIS IS ONE OF MY, JIM DO I HAVE YOU TO THANK FOR TAKING PRAIRIE CHAPEL AND SPIT ROAD? YEAH.

IS THAT A CHURCH PRAIRIE CHAPEL? HOW DID MOVE THAT? WELL, IT'S ALL 66.

WELL THE PART THAT GOES TOWARD 1 48 IS PRAIRIE.

THE PART AFTER THE CURVE.

THE CURVE IS WHERE STARTS MEAN NOT DONE SOME OF YOUR ROAD.

HOW DARE I'LL RETURN THE FAVOR.

I'LL DO SOME OF YOURS.

.

I NEVER, I'M STILL NOT SURE WHERE THE DIVIDING LINE IS.

CAPTAIN, THE CITY OF MAYBANK DO THAT ROAD DOWN THERE BY THE COUNTRY.

CROP ASPHALT.

THAT ROAD CUT DOWN.

IT'S BLEEDING NOW THIS HEAT OIL IS BLEEDING THROUGH, DOESN'T IT? WELL IT'S BEEN REAL SMOOTH.

IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT REALLY, I GUESS WHEN IT'S FIVE TOO MUCH IS NOT GOOD AT THAT SCHOOL.

SEAL COATING.

WHAT THEY APAC SAID WHEN WE USE THAT LIGHTWEIGHT STUFF, YOU CAN'T USE TOO MUCH.

YOU CAN'T USE IT.

IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY RIGHT.

THAT DEFENSE SEMINAR IN I GUESS PUTTING IT SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY'S PUTTING ONE ON.

DO YOU SEE THAT? YEAH.

I THINK IF ONE OF US GO, I THINK I, I JUST GIMME SOME

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KIDS UP AND STANDS AND WANNA DO THAT.

HER I'M I COURT TT BEEN, HE CALLED ME.

WE DID.

SO I, SO I ORDERED ONE ON ONE LITTLE, SO ALL HE HAD TO DO IS PICK IT UP AND THEY HAVE THOSE OPTIONS TO SEND THEM CARD.

AN NOTIFICATION.

SO I SENT IN THIS THE CARD.

THERE WAS ONE WITH A GOLF BALL IN THE SAND.

IT SAYS IF YOU'RE IN THE SINGLE, AT LEAST YOU OWN CARS.

OH YEAH, YEAH.

THERE'S CARS, PARTS BORDER WENT UP.

I DID TELL YOU WE WENT TO THE PRESS.

OF COURSE TJ HAD A COLLECTION OF, AND SO HE GOT A LOT OF TALK ABOUT SOMETIMES THEY HIM FOR, BUT, UH, WE GOT THROWN OUT A LITTLE OR SOMETHING.

IT'S ALL DIFFERENT.

YOU CAN'T EVEN A SHIRT WITHOUT, YOU CAN'T.

A FRIEND OF MINE WAS IN TOWN ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.

HAVE TO REQUEST , TRUST THE TRAIL.

WONDER.

SHE'S, WE, WE ALMOST HAVE THE STARTER TALKING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT.

THE

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GO DOWN THERE MINIATURE.

IT'S ACTUALLY A MINIATURE YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

DIDN'T HAVE SAND.

SAND.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

ANN BAY.

PRETTY COOL.

YEAH, THOSE ARE FUN.

UM, I PLAYED IN IRVINE IN CALIFORNIA WITH KIDS, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE 20 GROWING UP THERE WAS COURSE CLIFF.

IT WAS COURSE IT WAS CALLED WAS THREE THERE.

OH YEAH.

KILLED AT LEAST HALF.

OH MAN, WE PLAYING THAT COURSE I WAS PLAYING AND WE GOT TO THAT ON THE FAR END.

ONE CLOSEST TO NORTH AND HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THERE WAS A GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT WERE ON THE TEAM.

ONLY THE GREEN THEY AROUND.

THEY WERE LAUNCHING BALL.

YOU HAVE A CARE IN THE WORLD.

WE DO IT.

WHO WERE THOSE GUYS FROM HERE? I KNOW AND, UH, BOB PICKETT.

AND THEY WERE PLAYING THAT COURSE OUT THERE SOUTH, UH, RIVER CREST OR RIVER ES.

THAT'S THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND JERRY QUESTION BECAUSE BUT THE PROBLEM IS HE SHOOTS IT ALL THE TIME.

GETS THE BALL HOLE.

PRACTICE THIS QUICK DRAW WHILE I'M TRYING TO SWING PISTOL OR YOU PUMP IT UP TIMES AND SHOOT THE BALL 300 FEET.

AND I FIGURED IT OUT.

TRAIL GOES TO, I MEAN THEY'RE, BUT THE JAVA TRAIL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRAIN.

RIGHT END.

THERE'S BRIDGE CROSSES.

RAILROAD.

AND THEN I, THREE YEARS AGO, BILLY,

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I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU'RE MESSING MINE.

I REALLY DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.

I'LL LET THEM KNOW.

AND I'M, I WAS JUST GOING SKIP OVER.

LET THEM ASSUME YOU WERE THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT I HADN'T ANYTHING THE MOTION BY MR. PAY THE BILLS.

NO, MR. SHANE.

ALL FAVOR.

AYE.

A MOTION CARRIES.

UH, WE'LL SEE Y'ALL NEXT MONDAY.

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TO ADJOURN.

SHE GET THAT? I GOT THAT.

WE HAVE A SEAT, JUDGE.

WE GOT SOME MORE FOR YOU.

GOT MORE TO SEND.