* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT, NOVEMBER 6TH, 2006. MAY YOU THANK YOU THAT YOU ARE, YOU ARE IN CONTROL, AND YOU FATHERLY ASK THAT YOU RECE THE WISDOM AND LET YOU LET YOU DIE. FATHER, PLEASE BE WITH PEOPLE. ARE THIS, THIS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR KNOWING WHAT OUR ARE. GRANT DECISION BEST INTEREST. JESUS. NAME PLEASE FLAG, PLEASE. I FLAG THE UNITED STATES, STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR ONE NATION, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR. OKAY, Y'ALL. AND PROVIDE A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 23RD MEETING. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE. SECOND BY AYE. MOTION TO CARRY. WE ALSO HAVE THE MINUTES OF THE 31ST OCTOBER MEETING. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR DIRECTIONS OF ENTERTAINING MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. BILL MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BROWN BY COMMER ALL FAVOR, AYE. AYE. MOTION TO CARRY. FIRST THING UP THIS MORNING. UH, DICK MURPHY'S GONNA BRING US THE TEXAS COLLECTION COURT FOR SEPTEMBER. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. BEFORE I DO THIS, I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS MORNING TO DELIVER VOTING EQUIP FOR POLLING. OKAY. ON THE COLLECTION. I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONERS INSTRUCTED THE CREW TO BE CAREFUL WITH THOSE MACHINES AND DON'T BE. YES, SIR. I'M SURE THEY DID. THEY WERE WELL AWARE THAT WE SECURED EACH ONE AS WE LOADED OUT. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE CONCERN ABOUT THE WAY BEFORE WE GO GET IT. . WELL, SO FAR ALL THE TRAILERS HAVE BEEN COVERED IN THE EVENT. ONE BLOWS OFF. IT WON'T BE THE HIGHWAY LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR. ANY RATE IN THE GENERAL FUND THROUGH SEPTEMBER, WE COLLECTED 20.6 MILLION IN THE CURRENT TAX ROLL, WHICH IS 96% AND 738,000 OF THE DELINQUENT TAX ROLL, WHICH IS 48%. UH, ALL TOTAL OF THE INCLUDING PENALTY INTEREST TURNED THE 20.9 MILLION OF THE GENERAL FUND, OF THE REGULAR GENERAL FUND, CURRENT ROLL GENERAL FUND AND 1.1 MILLION OF THE DELINQUENT ROLL. GENERAL, THE ROAD BRIDGE WE'VE COLLECTED OF THE CURRENT ROLE, 2.9 MILLION OR AGAIN, 96% OF THE DELINQUENT ROLE WE'VE COLLECTED, UH, 1 0 100, 1000 OR 41% INCLUDING PENALTY INTEREST, ET CETERA. 2.9 MILLION OF THE CURRENT ROLE OF ROAD BRIDGE, 158,000 OF THE DELINQUENT ROLE OF ROAD BRIDGE. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 96%. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD WORK. I THINK THAT'S ON PAR OF HISTORY. UH, [00:05:01] WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. COMMISSIONER. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DICK. THANK YOU DICK. UH, NEXT WE HAVE SEBASTIAN. WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UH, EMPLOY AND ARCHITECT FOR REMODELING OF THE COURTHOUSE. GOOD MORNING. UH, THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED SEVERAL ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS. UH, ERIC NARROW DOWN TO TWO FIRMS. UH, JUDGE MADE SITE VISITS, UH, JOHNSON COUNTY AND TO HUNT COUNTY. AND THE COMMITTEE HAS SELECTED, UH, WE PUT ARCHITECTS. SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. W-I-G-I-N-T-O-N H****R. UH, CHARLES KERNS IS IS A MEMBER OF THAT FIRM. HE'S THE ARCHITECT HUNT PROJECT AND ALL THINGS ABOUT THAT FIRM. AND JUDGE, SHE, MYSELF, LEAD WITH THE OUTCOME. WHO WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE? JUDGE. JUDGE. JUDGE. SHE MYSELF. ARE THEY FROM DALLAS? ARE THEY FROM DALLAS, CHARLES? YES, MA'AM. AND CHARLES IS WITH US TODAY BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THE COMMITTEE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, EMPLOY AND WHO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER STATE BY COMMISSIONER ROWING. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN OPPOSED? WHAT I ASK JACK, WILL WE, WHEN WE GET A ARE WE, WILL WE EVEN GET A BID SINCE THERE ALREADY? NO. WE, WE WILL, ONCE WE, THIS IS DONE. WE'LL START NEGOTIATIONS. WE ARCHITECT. OKAY. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO GET A BID? LIKE I WOULD ASK, I WAS ASKING FOR WHERE THE ARCHITECT SIDE HAS BEEN ON ONE AMOUNT, SIZE, ANOTHER AMOUNT. IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, WHAT, WHAT NOW I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS ON THIS THING. IN ADDITION, SEPARATE FROM THE ARCHITECT AND ARCHITECTURAL COST, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. WE'LL, SURE. THE FIRST PHASE. JUST NEGOTIATING WITH, ONCE WE GET THAT WRAPPED UP, THEN WE'LL START. WHAT WAS THAT NAME? THE NAME. W-I-G-I-N-T-O-N. H****R. JEFFREY. THANK YOU JACK. THANK. NEXT WE HAVE IS VICKY GERNER. SHE'S GONNA DISCUSS, UH, RESOLUTION TO JOIN THE TEXAS INDIGENT HEALTHCARE ASSOCIATION AND DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE SERVE AS A PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT. AND THE DESIGNATE LEVEL OF MEMBER. THAT WAS MOUTHFUL, WASN'T, I BELIEVE ALL YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET OF RESOLUTION. I THINK WE DO. OKAY. UH, THE ASSOCIATION IS, UH, ACTUALLY BEEN IN EFFECT FOR THE LAST YEAR. AND TEXAS CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES IS SPONSOR THE ASSOCIATION. SINCE THIS IS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICE, THIS HAS TO COME BEFORE THE COURT. THE COURT HAS TO APPROVE THE COUNTY ACTUALLY JOIN THE SUBSTATION. AND THE BENEFITS WOULD BE, WELL, THE BENEFITS ARE THE FACT THAT, UH, OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE THE, UH, TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WHO WAS IN FAVOR OF IT, AND THE TEXAS CONFERENCE WITH URBAN COUNTIES WAS IN FAVOR OF IT. IT'S JUST WHEN ANYTHING HAS TO GO BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE, IT'S A UNITED VOICE. IT SAYS HERE THAT IT'S INTENDED TO FOSTER BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIPS AMONG, UH, INDIGENT HEALTHCARE PROGRAMS AND TO MOVE TOWARD, DEVELOP, DEVELOPING A SET OF BEST PRACTICES FOR THEIR ADMINISTRATION. RIGHT. IT'S ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE IS TO DEVELOP WORKABLE SOLUTIONS TO OPERATIONAL AND BUDGETARY ISSUES. [00:10:01] WELL, IF IT'S A PROGRAM UNDER TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES, WE DEVELOP THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE, I WON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT THEY SUPPORT IS GOOD FOR COFFEE COUNTY. SAY MAJORITY OF THE THINGS THEY SUPPORT IS GOOD COFFEE. WHAT ARE THE DUES? THE DUES ARE 500, WHICH IS A CHARTER MEMBERSHIP OR 200, WHICH IS A GENERAL MEMBERSHIP. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THE 200 LEVEL. OKAY. I ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TOJO. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CHANG. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRADLEY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, VICKY. THANK YOU, VICKY. IT WAS GONNA BE YOUR POINT OF CONTACT. OH, OKAY. WELL, I SEND THAT TO YOU. I THAT WHY DID YOU NOT EXPECT I'D ENTERTAIN MOTION TO POINT VICKY GARNER AS OUR POINT OF CONTACT, UH, UH, FOR COLTON COUNTY, FOR THE TEXAS ENGINE HEALTHCARE ASSOCIATION. SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE ON THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LAURA HUGHES AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UH, SIGNING AN AC CS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR E FILING OF LAND RECORDS AND THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO, THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO, UM, FORM THIS JOINT ASSOCIATION WITH A CS TO OFFER TITLE COMPANIES AND MORTGAGE BANKERS AND FULL SERVICE BANKERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILE LAND RECORDS ELECTRONICALLY. NOW, A CS IN, IN THIS MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WILL BE THE, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO THE, THEY'LL HAVE THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE ERX SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE INTERFACE FOR, UH, SUBMITTING COMPANIES TO FILE THEIR DOCUMENTS ELECTRONICALLY. THIS, UM, THIS WILL BE A, A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. THE COMP TITLE COMPANIES IN ORDER DON'T HAVE TO FILE THEIR, THEIR DOCUMENTS ELECTRONICALLY. IT'S ONLY IF THEY WANT TO, THERE'S NO CHARGE EDITED BY THE COUNTY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL PAY THEIR PROVIDER, WHETHER IT'S A CS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF, UH, E-FILING COMPANIES SUCH AS SIMPLIFY. UM, BUT THE, THE NEAT THING ABOUT USING A CS AS OUR AIR TO DIFFERENT PROVIDERS OR THROUGH FROM THE ITSELF, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY BILL CURRENTLY? NO, SIR. THIS, THIS WILL ALLOW THE ELECTRONIC RECORDING OF DOCUMENTS AND WE WILL HAVE THEM TIED DIRECTLY TO OUR CURRENT LAND RECORDS. DO YOU THINK THAT'LL BE A BIG ADVANTAGE TO THE COUNTY TO YES. I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT LARGE, A LOT OF LARGER TITLE COMPANIES THAT WILL DO ELECTRONIC FILING. IS THERE ANY COST FOR USING A CS AS OUR INTERFACING? NONE WHATSOEVER. THE, THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE SERVICE WILL PAY A CS DIRECTLY. A CS WILL, THEY CAN PAY A CS OR SIMPLE FILE. THERE'S MANY FILING COMPANIES THAT CAN FILE THROUGH A CS. THEY'RE JUST OUR GATEWAY IN OUR INTERFACE TO OUR LAND RECORD SYSTEM THAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE. BUT THEY PAY. WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT THEN? WHERE DOES THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT END UP? THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT STAYS WITH WHAT THE PERSON SENDS IT. THE, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A FINANCE COMPANY AND THEY, THEY KEEP THE ORIGINAL DEED OF TRUST FAMILY. RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'LL SUBMIT IT ELECTRONICALLY. A CS IS THE GATEWAY. WE'LL GIVE IT THE FILE STAMP. ONCE WE ACCEPT IT, ONCE THE COFF COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE ACCEPTS IT, IT'LL GET IT'S REPORTING INFORMATION AND THEN IT'LL BE SENT ELECTRONICALLY BACK TO THE, THE SUBMITTER. AND THEY'LL HAVE THE, BASICALLY THE COVER SHEET THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY USING. SO THEY'LL HAVE THE RECORDING INFORMATION. IT WILL GO ELECTRONICALLY FROM OUR SYSTEM RIGHT INTO OUR SCAN STATION. SO WE NEVER HAVE TO PAY DUE PAPER. TOUCH TO PAPER. THE ORIGINALS ARE CURRENTLY RETURN TO THE PEOPLE YEAH. AFTER THEIR REPORT. RIGHT. AND IT'S JUST, THEY'LL GET THEIR INFORMATION BACK ELECTRONICALLY SAVE, SAVE A SAVE. IT DOESN'T COST US ANY MORE MONEY. IT'S NOT THIS YEAR. IT'S NOT GONNA COST US ANY MORE NEXT YEAR. NO, SIR. THIS IS, THIS IS WON'T COST ANY. AND I, I BELIEVE IT SAYS IN THERE THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY. THE ACS IS GONNA PROVIDE THE SERVER AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY HAVE. [00:15:07] AND THIS DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CONTRACT WE CURRENTLY HAVE REGARDING ANY OF OUR WORK IN YOUR OFFICE. NO. ANY DISCUSSION, UH, . S NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ABOUT WILD AND ANIMALS. UH, AGAIN, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE, HAVE BEEN ASKED, UH, THAT WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS. AND WE, UH, IF, AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK NEEDS TO SIGN UP ON OUR SIGNUP SHEET HERE ON THE PODIUM. UM, ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SIGN UP ON REGARDING THAT MATTER? OKAY. UM, SEVERAL, OF COURSE, I'M SURE, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE CALLED MY OFFICE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M SURE THEY'VE CALLED THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. UM, BUT, UH, SKIP TRI TRIBUTE, UH, HAD, UM, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING HAD HAD HELPED WRITE THE ORIGINAL, UH, LAW, PARTICIPATED IN THE ORIGINAL STATE STATE REGULATION. THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES HERE RECENTLY, AND I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS UP TO DATE. AND IF, SKIP IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU COME UP AND TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT DANGERS AND WILD LAND? SURE. SKIP. CAN I JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND ON THIS BEFORE YOU GET STARTED? WE'RE GLAD WE'RE HERE. GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU. BUT, UH, WE HAD NUMEROUS CALLS IN OUR OFFICE ABOUT A SUPPOSED WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMAL THAT WAS LOOSE OVER IN THE SOUTHERN, NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UH, SOUTH OF TERRELL, BUT NORTH OF COTTON. AND, UH, WE TALKED WITH NUMEROUS PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. AND FINALLY WE CAME IN TOUCH WITH THE US, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND THEIR DEPARTMENT, AND THEY SENT OUT, UH, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER HIS NAME, BUT A FELLOW THAT CAME OUT TWICE AND LOOKED AROUND OVER AND SAID THERE WAS, THERE WAS A HORSE, A VICTIM, LARGE HORSE THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY KILLED BY A WILD ANIMAL. AND THIS FELLOW LOOKED AT THE HORSE WHO, HE'S AN EXPERT. THAT'S WHAT HE KNOWS FOR A LIVING. HE SAID, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THIS HORSE RAN ONTO A T HOST AND GOT HIS THROAT RIPPED OUT. AND THERE WAS SUPPOSEDLY SOME PRINTS THAT HE LOOKED AT AND SAID, NO, THESE ARE DOG PRINTS. THESE ARE NOT WILD ANIMAL PRINTS. SO AT THAT TIME, WE PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A WILD ANIMAL LOOSE OUT THERE, BUT IT DID BRING UP THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SITUATION IN OUR COUNTY WHERE THERE WERE WILD ANIMALS BEING, UH, HOUSED THAT MAYBE THE SITUATION WASN'T BEING HANDLED CORRECTLY. AND THAT'S WHAT CHIP, I MEAN, I SKIPPED, CAME TO ADDRESS WITH US AND I TALKED TO HIM AND HE'S FAX ME THE FORMS AND [00:20:01] THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS ALSO. OKAY. I BROUGHT A PACKET FOR THE JUDGE. IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL. IT LOOKS THICK, BUT I THINK I CAN TAKE YOU TO IT. UH, APPLICABLE PART OF IT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF, OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT. UM, IN THE YEAR 2001, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED A BILL, AND THAT'S THE BILL THAT'S ON YOUR STACK HERE, WHICH DID, UH, THREE THINGS. AND THE FIRST, A STATEWIDE SYSTEM FOR REGULATING THE KEEPING OF SERVICE LINES, TIGERS, THAT SORT OF THING, THE SECOND, AND, AND THAT IF YOU BREAK THE BILL DOWN INTO THE SECTIONS OF THE BILL, THAT'S WHAT SECTION ONE DID. IT CREATED THE STATE LAW. THEN IN SECTION TWO, UH, ACTUALLY IN SECTION ONE, LET ME CALL, CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE SIX OF SEVEN ON PAGE SIX, INSIDE THE STATE LAW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY END OF THE VERY LAST SECTION OF THE STATE LAW, WHICH IS 8 22 0.116, THAT STATE LAW RIGHT IN RIGHT IN THE BILL, SAID THAT THIS STATE LAW DOESN'T AFFECT THE RIGHT OF COUNTIES OR CITIES TO FURTHER REGULATE THESE ANIMALS IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. SO EFFECTIVELY, WHAT THE STATE LAW IS SAYING IS THAT THE STATE LAW IS THE MINIMUM THAT MUST BE DONE BY EVERY COUNTY OR EVERY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS ONE OF THESE ANIMALS RESIDING IN THEIR JURISDICTION. JURISDICTION. THEN IN ORDER TO FURTHER HELP THE COUNTIES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE COUNTIES DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REGULATING AND THE HASSLE OF REGULATING AND KEEPING UP WITH THESE ANIMALS, THEY SECTION TWO OF THE BILL AMENDED THE THEN EXISTING STATE LAW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, TO TOTALLY ELIMINATE ANY IMPEDIMENTS ON COUNTIES FOR DEALING WITH THESE DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS. YOU CAN PROHIBIT THEM, YOU CAN REGULATE 'EM, YOU CAN VIRTUALLY DO ANYTHING THAT THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT WANTS TO DO REGARDING A DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL. IN ADDITION, YOU CAN MAKE CERTAIN QUALIFIED PEOPLE ELIGIBLE TO KEEP THEIR ANIMALS AND OTHERS THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER NOT QUALIFIED. THEY CAN'T HAVE WHAT YOU, THE ONLY THING YOU CANNOT DO IS TO ALLOW A DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL TO BE IN KAUFLAND COUNTY AND NOT REGULATED PER REGISTRY AND REGULATED PER THE STATE LAW. YOU DO HAVE TO DO THAT IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THERE. SO WITH THAT DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY, COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE DONE, UH, A NUMBER OF THINGS. SOME OF THEM HAVE JUST CHOSEN TO REGULATE THE ANIMAL. IF AS THE STATE LAW, UNDER THE STATE LAW, SOME HAVE CHOSEN TO TOTALLY PROHIBIT ALL DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS IN THEIR COUNTY. OTHERS HAVE CHOSEN TO PROHIBIT DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS, BUT NOT BY BUSINESSES. IT, IT IS BASICALLY, UH, AN OPEN PLATFORM. IT'S AN OPEN CANVAS FOR YOU GENTLEMEN WHO ARE RUNNING THIS COUNTY TO DO AS YOU SEE FIT WITH, LIKE I SAID, THE ONE EXCEPTION. YOU CAN'T ALLOW ANIMALS TO BE IN THIS COUNTY AND NOT AT LEAST REGISTER. SO, SO THEN WHAT THE STATE DID, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THE BILL IN SECTION FIVE C, IT MANDATED THAT NOT LATER THAN DECEMBER THE FIRST OF 2001, EVERY COUNTY IN MUNICIPALITY COUNTY HAD TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM. AND THAT INCLUDED, THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH THE, THE ORDINANCE REGULATING. THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH PROPER FORMS FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THESE CERTIFICATES. THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH THE PROPER CERTIFICATES, AND THEY HAD TO ASSESS WHAT THEY CONSIDERED THE PROPER REGISTRATION TO COVER THE COST OF THAT. NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU TOTALLY PROHIBITED ANIMALS IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, THEN THE NEED TO REGISTER GOES AWAY. BUT IF THERE IS A NEED, IF YOU DETERMINE YOU WANT TO ALLOW DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS IN THE COUNTY, THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR, YOU MUST THEN DO THE MINIMUM OF PASSING AN ORDINANCE TO SET FEES, A SET TO ADOPT REGISTRATION, CERTIFICATES, APPLICATIONS, AND FEES, AND [00:25:01] DETERMINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED. SO WITH THAT, WHAT KAUFMAN COUNTY DID, IF YOU'LL TURN TO THE NEXT THING, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I INCLUDED, THAT IS THE CURRENT CODE THAT WAS CREATED BY THIS BILL. SO THAT'S IN THE TEXAS, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. ALSO, IN THIS BILL, IT SAID THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WOULD, WOULD, UH, DRAFT REGULATIONS TO DETERMINE HOW THESE ANIMALS ARE PROPERLY CAGED BECAUSE THERE THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT CAGING REQUIREMENTS. OBVIOUSLY, A LINE IS CAGED DIFFERE THAN A BEAR AND A FAIR DIFFERENT THAN CHIMPANZEE. SO THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS THAT IF SOMEONE IS KEEPING AN ANIMAL IN ORDER TO BE PROPERLY CERTIFIED, THEY MUST KEEP THOSE ANIMALS IN A CAGE THAT MEET THESE MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S IN THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE AS A RESULT OF RULES PASSED BY THE, UH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT. NOW, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THIS, IN 2001, THIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT DID PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT PURPORTED TO JUST SIMPLY REGULATE THAT IT, IT DIDN'T PROHIBIT ANYBODY FROM OWNING ONE. SO ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY COULD OWN ONE, BUT IT DID SAY THAT THEY HAD TO REGISTER. BUT WHAT YOU WENT ON AND DID THAT REALLY ISN'T APPROPRIATE UNDER THE STATE LAW, IS INSTEAD OF DESIGNATING THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AS BEING ONE THAT THE STATE SAID YOU HAD TO DO, WHICH IS IN THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS THE REGISTRATION AGENCY MUST BE THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICE WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION, OR IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICE, THEN IT MUST BE THE COUNTY SHERIFF. THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAID. FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHEN THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN 2001 PASSED THE LAW TO REGULATE, WHICH THEY DID PER THE MANDATE IN THE STATE LAW AND DID IT PROPERLY, THEY WENT A STEP FURTHER AND CREATED A COMMITTEE TO ENFORCE THAT LAW. AND THAT WAS A STEP THAT'S NOT AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE. AND AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE, THAT COMMITTEE HAS NEVER FUNCTION FUNCTIONED, AND THEREFORE THERE ARE NO REGISTRATIONS IN THIS COUNTY. AND, UH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ANIMALS IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY DO, BUT BASED ON THAT, WE KNOW OF AT LEAST THREE FACILITIES THAT HAVE A NUMBER, A GREAT NUMBER OF THESE ANIMALS, AND THEY HAVE NOT REGISTERED WITH YOUR, UH, WITH THE CATTLE AT ALL. AND SO THAT BEING THE CASE, THIS COUNTY WOULD TECHNICALLY BE IN OR NOT TECHNICALLY, BUT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE STATE MANDATE THAT THEY DO REGISTER THOSE. AND SO YOUR PACKET CONTAINS THE OF THOSE PEOPLE. AND THEN LAST, THIS IS MORE OF A LEGAL MATTER, BUT I DID WANT YOU TO BE HARMED WITH IT. SOMETIMES I'VE HAD COUNTIES WHO HAVE HAD THEIR SHERIFFS GO OUT TO TRY TO REGISTER PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AND THEY WILL CLAIM OFTEN MISTAKENLY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER BECAUSE THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WELL, HERE'S A UNITED STATES COURT APPEALS THAT SAYS THAT ISN'T TRUE. THEY, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S RULES OVER OVERLAY AND TRUMP THE RULES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THEY SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR RULES. SO THOSE, THAT'S THE PACKAGE OF THINGS THAT EFFECTIVELY SHOW YOU HOW THE STATE LAW AND YOUR COUNTY ORDINANCES CAN AND SHOULD WORK TOGETHER. AND WITH THAT, YOU FOLKS ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW BEST WHAT YOUR COUNTY NEEDS. AND, UH, YOU CAN MAKE 12 RULES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IF YOU DO DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO REGISTER SOME, AND, AND YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, YOU CAN GRANDFATHER THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ANIMALS IN HERE NOW THAT SAY NOBODY ELSE. WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE WITH DANGEROUS. THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU TOO. YOU, YOU HAVE REALLY A BLANK CANVAS TO DO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT. NOW, IF YOU SHOULD CHOOSE, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO REGISTER ANY OR ALL OF YOU KNOW, ANY, JUST A FEW PEOPLE AND PROHIBIT THE REST OR WHATEVER ON THE ANIMALS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE SOME REGISTRATION, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES HAS APPROVED APPLICATION FORMS AND REGISTRATION [00:30:01] CERTIFICATES FOR THAT USE. SHOULD YOU CHOOSE YOU TO FOLLOW THAT? AND ONE LAST REQUIREMENT, THAT'S THAT THE OWNER HAS, NOT THE COUNTY, BUT IF AN OWNER DOES REGISTER WITH YOUR COUNTY AND GETS A CERTIFICATE FROM YOUR COUNTY, FROM YOUR SHERIFF, THEY MUST SEND A COPY OF THAT CERTIFICATE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WITHIN 10 DAYS AFTER IT'S ISSUED TO ME. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY WANT, THE STATE OF TEXAS WANTS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF HOW MANY DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS WE HAVE IN THE STATE AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. SO THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS THAT INFORMATION, IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. AND IF THEY WANT SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE NEXT TO SOMEBODY THAT HAS ONE OF THEM, THEY WOULD KNOW WHERE THEY'RE, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT. THOSE REGISTRATION FORMS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ONES YOU FAXED ME AFTER YOU AND I TALKED. YES. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO EMAIL 'EM TO YOU. SEND MORE. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON, I'VE GOT ALL ELECTRONIC DATA TO GET. ALRIGHT. THE, UH, WHEN THAT LAW WAS PASSED, UH, THE REASON COUNTY DID THIS, OF COURSE THESE WERE DRAWN UP BY LEGAL ADVISOR, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT THE TIME MM-HMM . AND, UH, SO WE FOLLOWED HIS INSTRUCTIONS ON SETTING THIS UP. SO THIS WAS SET UP ACCORDING TO WHAT WE WERE ADVISED BY OUR LEGAL ADVISOR TO SET UP, UH, AND, AND, UH, SET UP FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO BE THE REGISTERING AGENT. UH, WE, OUR LIAISON BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND THIS COMMITTEE WAS, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER OF PRECINCT ONE. AND, UH, WE ASSUMED THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING ALONG FINE. THAT, UH, WHILE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN JUST LIKE THE ORDINANCES, UH, REQUIRED YES. UH, AND, UH, OUR APPLICATION TO REST THE YES, UH, I'VE SAID THAT DOWN. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO CARRY THIS A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING. WELL, SIR, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THIS, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN 2001 CREATED A COMMITTEE TO DO THE REGISTRATION, NOT THE SHERIFF. THEY ACTUALLY, IF YOU'LL LOOK IN THE PACKAGE STUFF THAT I GAVE YOU, IT'S UH, DOCUMENT NUMBER, DOCUMENT NUMBER FIVE AS, AS WE GO FROM TOP TO TOP TO BOTTOM IS THE ONE THAT YOU PASSED SAYING EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY HAS TO REGISTER DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS. THEN THE, THE VERY NEXT DOCUMENT, THE VERY NEXT DOCUMENT IS YOU CREATED AN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE, OF A COMMITTEE FOR THE REGISTRATION OF DANGERS. WHILE THAT, NOW THAT COMMITTEE CREATING THAT COMMITTEE WAS NO, WAS IN NO WAY AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE LAW. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAME ABOUT TO BE, BUT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING CAME ABOUT BE BECAUSE I LEGALLY ADVISOR ADVISED US TO DO THAT. YES. AND, AND, AND, BUT AS A RESULT, UH, THE SHERIFF HAD, WHO HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO DO THIS REGISTRATION FROM TIME TO TIME BY SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAS SAID THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE WOULD'VE THE AUTHORITY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT ARE YOU TELLING THAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT? WE NEED TO JUST DO ANOTHER ORDER AUTHORIZING THE SHERIFF TO BE THE REGISTERING AGENT FOR THESE LAW OF ANIMALS. UH, THAT IF THAT, IF YOU WANT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO BECAUSE IT IS UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO REGISTER, THEN THE PROPER REGISTRA, THE PROPER REGISTRATION AGENCY IS IN YOUR INSTANCE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICE. IF YOU DO, THAT'S THE OFFICE. IF YOU DON'T, THEN IT WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S. UM, JUDGE, LEMME SPEAK TO THAT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. WHEN WE CREATED THIS BOARD, WE HAD A COMMISSIONER THAT HAD EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH DER FAMILIES AND, UM, AND OUR LEGAL ADVISOR AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, TOOK THE, IN THE LEGISLATION, IT BASICALLY GIVES THE COUNTY PRETTY WIDE LATITUDE TO DO, UH, TO DO, UH, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO WITH NAMES IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW HIM. AND I THINK THAT HE, HE PROBABLY KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, AT THE TIME I REMEMBER EVERYBODY FELT LIKE THAT IT WAS PROPER. BUT, UH, THE FIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE ONE MEMBER OF CODE COMMISSIONER COURT AND COMMISSIONER FOX SAID THAT HE HAD EXPERIENCE AND HE WOULD HANDLE IT. AND FOR NOW, NOW HE'S, HE'S OUTTA THE COUNTY. [00:35:01] UH, ONE MEMBER OF IS A LICENSED VETERINARIAN, UH, ONE, UH, WHO HAS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCES IN BIOLOGY, BIOLOGY OR RELATED FIELD ONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND ONE APPOINTED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH IT SAID, THE COMMITTEE SHALL APPOINT MEMBERS TO CONDUCT SUCH FIELD INSPECTIONS FOR NEW AND RENEWAL REGISTRATIONS AS WELL AS INSPECTING ANY ALLEGED NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES. SO IT'S NOT, HE'S CORRECT THAT IT IS NOT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, IT'S WHOEVER THIS COMMITTEE DESIGNATES. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE COMMITTEE HAD NEVER DESIGNATED. NOW I'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMMITTEE DID, YOU KNOW, DID TRY TO DO SOME ENFORCEMENT AND, AND, UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IS JUST HEARSAY AND THAT THEY DIDN'T MEET WITH A LOT OF SUCCESS, UM, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WENT AND, UH, TRIED TO REGULATE. BUT WHAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION IS THERE ARE NEW REGULATIONS THAT HAVE COME ABOUT VERY RECENTLY, I MEAN, SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON WHAT THE CAGE IS GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, UH, AND SO I CAME AT THIS BACKWARDS, OKAY, HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT ALL OF THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS? WHO IMPLEMENTS 'EM? WELL, E EITHER, EITHER WE FIX THE COMMITTEE AND GET THE COMMITTEE TO GET ACTIVE, OR WE TURN, WE PUNT AND START FROM SCRATCH. AND, UH, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF WILD ANIMAL ENFORCEMENT ON THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE PRETTY ONEROUS. I MEAN, I'VE READ THROUGH THE, THE, THE FACILITY REGULATION AND IT'S, IT IS, IT IS GONNA BE, UH, IT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY BIG DEAL. UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE STILL HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL WHETHER WE WANT TO ALLOW DANGEROUS WALL ANIMALS AND IF WE WANT TO PAY FOR REGULAT 'EM, REGULATING 'EM IF WE ALLOW 'EM. AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM IS PRETTY MUCH FAULT BROKEN, BROKEN DOWN. AND I'M NOT, I MEAN, I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS BECAUSE IF I POINT A FINGER AT ANYBODY ELSE, THERE'S FOUR FOUR FINGERS. POINT ME WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO. THIS IS A, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT CAN'T BE DISCUSSED LIKE HERE TODAY. I MEAN, IT COULD BE DISCUSSED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO OVER THIS THING. I WOULD ACTUALLY US HAVE A WORKSHOP THAT SAYS, OKAY, LET'S DECIDE DO WE WANT ANY WILD ANIMALS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO REGISTER WHATEVER, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY, DO WE WANT TO DIS OR DO WE WANT TO BAN ALL WILD ANIMALS? DO WE WANT TO BAN ALL OF 'EM? EXCEPT SOME OF THESE DO WE WANT TO KNOCK DOWN ANY OF 'EM, WHICH I THINK TO ME IS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN THIS MEETING HERE TODAY. BUT, UH, AS I, WHEN I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT BEFORE, UH, I, I THINK, AND I I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS KEN, THAT KEN, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WHERE WE ARE NOW IS COMPLETELY, IT IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE STATE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO, UH, DISBAND THIS COMMITTEE OR, OR THIS, UH, THIS RESOLUTION AND START ALL OVER. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BAN ALL ANIMALS, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO BOTHER WITH ANY OF THIS. BUT WE NEED TO, TO SIT DOWN AND DECIDE, IN MY MIND ANYWAY, WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? DO WE WANT SOME PEOPLE HERE WITH THEM? DO WE WANT OR WHAT HAVE, SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO. I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE, BUT LIKE I SAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK TO THIS. I, I SEE THAT NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE SIGNED UP, BUT, BUT I THINK STEP ONE IS IDENTIFY A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, STEP TWO IS HAVE A WORKSHOP AND LET'S DECIDE HOW TO SOLVE. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. UH, NEXT PERSON IS, IS NINA LANGFORD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS NINA LANGFORD. AND ASHLEY, I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT CON IN COMING UP HERE. I'M A MOTHER. I OF THREE CHILDREN GROWN LIVE IN TON COUNTY ALL MY LIFE. I LIVE ONE MILE FROM A FACILITY THAT DOES HAVE SINGLE TIGERS. AND IN FACT, IN JUNE, THE SINGLE TIGER GOT OUT TO THE HOSPITAL. MY CONCERN IS WITH MY CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN LONG FOR THIS TIGER TO GET OVER TO OUR LAND. AND THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SERIOUS. AND I HAVE, UM, I HAD MY FOLDER, [00:40:01] BUT PRETTY MUCH IN MY FOLDERS ARE SAME THING AS SKIP TRIMBLE HAS. SO YOU CAN TELL IN THE CATEGORIES, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT ALSO, I HAD INCLUDED A DVD. THIS IS NOT JUST COUNTYWIDE THAT WE'RE FACING. THIS IS UNITED STATES WIDE, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTIONS, BUT Y'ALL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WATCHING THIS. IT'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE KIND OF ANIMALS IN APARTMENTS AND PETS. AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THAT FOR OUR COUNTY. UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE CALLING UP HERE SAYING, MY CHILD HAS GOTTEN MOED BY TIGER BEFORE Y'ALL CAN CATCH HIM. UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY JUST BAD OFF? WELL, IN THE COUNTY, I'M FOR EITHER WAY. IF THEY CAN BE GOVERNED AND THEY HAD THE CAJUN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THESE FEATHERS, AND MR. TRIMBLE'S FEATHER, I MEAN, I'M AN ANIMAL LOVER. I HATE TO SEE THEM IN A LITTLE CAGE. IF THEY'RE, IF I FEEL SAFE AND I FEEL THAT MY CHILDREN ARE SAFE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST, YOU KNOW, TELLING EVERYBODY THEY GOTTA LEAVE THE COUNTY AND RUN THEM OUT A SHOTGUN, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT. FOR LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE WITH THEIR ANIMALS. UM, I DO THINK THEY NEED TO BE REGISTERED. AND IT SHOWS IN HERE THAT WHEN THEY'RE REGISTERED, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THEM AND JUST ALL KINDS OF IDENTIFICATION FOR THEM. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I AM IN FAVOR OF NO MORE ANIMALS COMING INTO OUR COUNTY. WE'RE GROWING. I MEAN, I LIVE IN NEY RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE LAND WHERE THIS BE TIGER'S NOT VERY FAR. AND WE ARE GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A SERIOUS ISSUE OF PEOPLE BRINGING THESE KIND COUNTY. BUT I HAVE MADE THESE FOR Y'ALL. UM, I KNOW SOME OF IT'S PETITIVE, BUT THE DVD I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT KEN BEFORE AND HAPPENS. I'M JUDGE IF THESE ANIMALS, THEY HAVE BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED AND IDENTIFIED. UH, THAT WOULD'VE ELIMINATED A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT CAME ABOUT DURING, DURING THIS, THIS SITUATION BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED IN THIS GUY'S, UH, UH, CAGE IS TO SEE IF MAYBE AN ANIMAL WAS NOT THERE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. BUT SINCE THEY WEREN'T REGISTERED, UH, THE, THE RUMOR THAT THERE WAS A WILD ANIMAL OUT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST RAMBLING AND EVERYBODY WAS HEARING ABOUT IT. AND YOU COULDN'T GO TO THIS GUY'S CAGES AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S MISSING? 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND IN MY PACKET, IT'S ALSO BECAUSE I HAD TO TAKE OFF WORK THIS MORNING AND Y'ALL MEET DURING, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE BLUE COLLAR WORKER JOBS. SO I DON'T HAVE A BIG SUPPORT OF PHYSICAL PEOPLE HERE. BUT IF YOU'LL LOOK UNDER THE SIGNATURE CATEGORY, I HAVE LIKE 168 SIGNATURES THAT I HAVE GOTTEN THAT PEOPLE ARE BACKING ME UP ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A MEETING MAYBE IN THE EVENING, I WOULD BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY HAVE PEOPLE HERE BACK ME UP. BUT WE ALL HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING. SO I COULDN'T GET VERY MINIMAL TO TAKE OFF WORK TO COME UP HERE. BUT THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESSES AND PHONE NUMBERS ARE ON THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID, ANYONE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO CALL THEM AND ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY SUPPORT US. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS BECOMING A BIG ISSUE FOR OUR COUNTY. AND I JUST WANNA KNOW MY CHILDREN ARE SAFE. AND IF HE IS ALLOWED TO KEEP HIS ANIMALS, THAT'S ONLY ABOUT A MILE, MILE AND A HALF FROM ME THAT HE'S BEING GOVERNED, HE'S BEING INSPECTED, HE'S BEING CHECKED. HIS ANIMALS ARE THERE. THEY'RE NOT LIKE BEING LET OUT AT NIGHT BECAUSE HE CAN'T AFFORD TO FEED THEM ANYMORE, AND HE JUST LETS THEM GO. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON NOW IS SIR, READY? WE, UH, THIS IS MY GOOD MORNING. OKAY. I, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SIT IT HARD IN THIS PASTURE. YOU CONTROL THESE ANIMALS, UH, I DON'T KNOW JUST HOW YOU EVEN DO IT, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, THEY SHOULD BE MARKED SOME WAY. IF YOU DON'T BAN 'EM COMPLETELY, YOU CAN TATTOO THEIR EARS OR FREEZE BRAND THEM IN CASE THEY GET UP. YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COME FROM. UH, I, I AM THE PERSON THAT HAD THE HORSE KILLED, AND HE DID NOT RUN INTO A T POST. I CARRIED HIM TO THE VET. I HAD THE GAME WARDEN TO LOOK AT HIM, AND THE GAME WARDEN SAID HE WAS ATTACKED BY A BIG CAT. I HAD THREE CAVES KILLED. HE LOOKED AT ONE OF THE CAVES. HE SAID HE WAS ATTACKED BY A BIG CAT AND NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTROLLING THESE THINGS. WE HAVE, THEY'VE BEEN SPOTTED ALL OVER THE COUNTY RUNNING LOOSE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, JUST, JUST BELOW OAK RIDGE, CEDAR HALL, THERE'S A BIG COUGAR, OR A LINE WAS SEEN CROSSING THE HIGHWAY. AND THEN TWO WEEKS [00:45:01] AGO, NORTH OTERRO, THEY WERE GOING TO SPOT IT DOWN IN THE PASTURE. THE MOUNTAIN LION JUST ROAMING AROUND. AND YOU THINK THIS WAS, WAS A PET OF SOMEBODY THAT GOT OUT OR, WELL, OR DO YOU THINK IT IS NATURALLY A WILD ANIMAL IN THIS AREA? I DON'T KNOW. I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. BUT I HAVE BEEN RUNNING CATTLE UP HERE FOR SINCE 90, THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR I'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THE KIDS. AND THE GAME WARDEN TOLD ME, HE SAID, YOU NEED TO GET ALL THESE OUNCES OUTTA THESE PENS. HE SAID, THIS IS JUST LIKE A BUFFET FROM THE CAT WILL BE BACK AFTER 'EM. I HAD TWO CALVES AND THE FEET BY FEEDING THEM OUT. ONE OF 'EM WAS KILLED, OTHER ONE HAD SCRATCH MARKS ALL OVER HIM. SO I, I MOVED ALL OF MY ITEMS OUT OF THE PENS TO ANOTHER PLACE. BUT WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO CONTROL THESE ANIMALS. WE NEED SOME HELP IN CATCHING THE ONES THAT'S OUT THERE. I'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY IN THE STATE THAT I KNOW OF, AND NOBODY WANTS TO GIVE ANY HELP. THEY SAY IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. UH, THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DID TELL ME THAT THEY WOULDN'T COME IN HERE AND TRAP BECAUSE THE COUNTY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THEIR PROGRAM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS THEY HAVE. WE, WE, WE DO NEED SOME KIND OF HELP IN CAN CATCH TO ANIMALS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND CONTROLLING THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN EACH DAY. I TALKED TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND, UH, MR. P'S DRIVE, WE, WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT. UH, AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHAT IF WE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. HE SAID, I CAN GET AWAY TALKING EIGHT OR 1200 OR SOMETHING. BUT HE SAID, I'VE HEARD ALL THESE RUMORS ABOUT WHY ONE'S OUT HERE THAT I'VE NEVER TALKED TO A PERSON YET THAT HAS SEEN A TIGER OR A LION OR ANYTHING OUT HERE. AND HE SAID, ALL THE EVIDENCE I SEE IS THAT THERE IS NOT A TIGER OR A LION. NOW, HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT A COUGAR BECAUSE THOSE COULD BE RUN THROUGH HERE A WHILE. MAYBE THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THE GUY HAD, UH, UH, PINNED UP AND GOT, BUT WHATEVER WE WANT TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM, WE DO WANT TO DO THAT. CHRIS LI WAS DRIVING HOME FROM TURTLE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO AGO. HE, HE SAID, ABOUT NINE 30 ON SATURDAY NIGHT, AND THIS COUGAR LINE RAN ACROSS THE ROAD IN FRONT OF HIM. MM-HMM . UH, MS. HUNT SAW THIS ONE OUT OFF THE 34TH NORTH TUR. NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE EVER CALLED ME AND MADE ONE NOTION OR MENTION OF THAT. BUT I, I DON'T ONLY GET AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU, MR. PRATER, BUT WE WANT TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM, HOWEVER WE CORRECT IT. WELL, WE NEED TO CORRECT IT, BUT SOONER OR LATER, SOME, SOME KID OR SOMEBODY CAN WALK UP ON ONE INSURANCE AND IT'S GONNA BE TOO BIG FOR THEM. IF THERE ARE WILD ANIMALS THAT ARE GETTING LOOSE FROM THOSE THINGS, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. I, SERIOUSLY, OKAY. I, I THANK YOU, MR. PERRY. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COURT ABOUT THESE ANIMALS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, UH, THAT POSSIBLY HAVE ESCAPED AND POSSIBLY ARE JUST WILD IN THE AREA. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS SINCE BACK IN MAY, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO EVERYBODY THAT COULD, AND NO, NOBODY WANTS TO HELP. I'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. DON'T SAY NOBODY WANTS TO HELP. I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT IT TO US NOW, AND YOU TALKED TO ME NUMEROUS TIMES, AND IT IS, IT IS A PROBLEM FINDING OUT WHO TO GO TO. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE IF WE FIND A GUY DOWN OR THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT, THAT SOMEBODY CLOSER TO US THAN THAT WOULD'VE HAD, UH, SOME KIND OF JURISDICTION OVER THIS. EITHER IT BE THE OR, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND I, I, I'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW WHAT HIS FEELINGS AREN'T, BUT, UH, I, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T A PROBLEM FOR US TO FIND OUT WHO WAS GOING TO TRY TO HELP US WITH IT. AND WE HAD THOSE PEOPLE COME OUT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, THEY'RE EXOTIC AND WILDLIFE DIVISION, AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING. AND HE DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS WAS A TIGER. NOW, I ASK HIM ABOUT A COUGAR AND HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUGAR COULD HAVE DONE THIS MUCH DAMAGE TO A HORSE OR NOT, BUT HE DIDN'T THINK THAT HORSE WAS, WAS KILLED ABOUT THAT. BUT WHATEVER, UH, E ERIC MOTORS, THE WARDEN, HE, HE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME THAT HE WAS, HE CAN'T DO THIS TO HIM, BUT HE HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING EITHER. HE HAD, HE SAID, IT'S NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO ANYTHING, THOUGH WE DID HEAR THAT A LOT. SO HE SAW THE CAT THAT WAS KILLED. HE SAID A BIG CAT KILLED HIM. THE CAT THAT WAS THE CALF THAT WAS SCRATCHED UP, UH, OKAY, CAN GET THAT TO HIM. MY ONLY QUESTION, MY ONLY THING IS I WANT, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT NOBODY EVER CALLED ME THAT SAID, HEY, I SAW [00:50:01] A TIGER RUNNING LOOSE OUT HERE. NOBODY, NOBODY THAT I EVER TALKED TO SAID THEY TALKED TO ANYBODY THAT HAD SEEN A TIGER RUN LOOSE OUT HERE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, PROBABLY THIS THING TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE. BUT MR. BUT SKILL HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH US, AND WE KNOW HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT STEP AND HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THIS THING. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU CAN GIVE US THANK YOU, MR. YOU, UM, WELL, AND, AND I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND THERE'S A LOT OF WEBSITES OUT THERE IN COLTON COUNTY, UH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT ARE EACH OTHER. UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KEEP WILD ANIMALS, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND THERE ARE SOME DUELING SITES OUT THERE. AND I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S, THAT THERE'S WINE AND TIGERS AND BEARS RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOSE OUT OF THEIR CAGES. BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GENUINELY AFRAID. AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S AN OLD PREACHER BY A HOBO THAT GOT IN A TRAIN CAR, GOT THE DOOR CLOSED BEFORE THE CONDUCTOR CAME BY, AND HE, UH, HE SMELLED SOMETHING. HE SMELLED BANANAS. AND WITH HIS LAST MATCH, HE STRUCK HIS LAST MATCH. AND THIS WAS THE TURN OF THE CENTURY. THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO. THERE HE WAS IN A TRAIN CAR FULL OF BANANAS, BUT THEY WERE JUST CRAWLING WITH TARANTULAS. OF COURSE, NOW THEY GAS 'EM TO KILL THE TARANTULAS. AND, UH, WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, A DAY LATER THEY OPENED UP THE DOOR OF THE TRAIN CAR, AND THIS HOBO WAS JUST DEAD ANOINTED. AND HIS, HIS HANDS WERE JUST CLAWED TO NOTHING. HIS FEET WERE JUST BEAT TO NOTHING WHERE HE CLAWED AT THE DOOR AND KICKED THE DOOR. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DIDN'T FIND ON HIM? DIDN'T FIND A SINGLE TORRENTIAL VALVE. BUT PERCEPTION MEANS SOMETHING. AND, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO, IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO LIVE ON THE EDGE AND KEEP LINES AND TIRES OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO, THEY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE ON THE EDGE. WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DECIDE IS IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR NEIGHBORS LIVE ON THE EDGE OF THE EDGE AND, AND IF WE'RE GONNA REGULATE THEM, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I WENT THE SAME ROUTE COMMISSIONER ROW DID, I LOOKED AT EVERYBODY, AND IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT. IT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF REGULATING THEM, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STEP UP AND DO IT OR ALL TOGETHER. RIGHT? BUT IF WE WIN, THAT WOULD BE A GRANDFATHER, SOME GRANDFATHERS IN THERE IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE. I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NO. YOU HAVE EVERY OPTION YOU, YOU CAN SUMMARILY MAKE. YEAH, THAT'S, I LIKE YOU, MR. ER, I HAD MR. MR. TRIMBLE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT AND SAID THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BAN EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE HERE, WHICH SEEMS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TOTAL BAN? YES, SIR. UH, NOT GRANDFATHER YOU, JEREMY COUNTY. DO YOU, YOU, YOU, WHEN THIS LAW WAS PASSED, TARRANT COUNTY DID BAN, UH, ALL OF THE WILD S WILD AVENUES. A A ACTUALLY THERE'S 264 COUNTIES IN TEXAS AND 193 OF THEM HAVE TOTALLY, THE REST OF THEM HAVE EITHER REGISTERED OR THEY HAVE DONE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. THEY DID GRANDFATHER CERTAIN ANIMALS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE COUNTY, BUT THEY WOULD NOT LET NEW ONES COME IN AND THEY WOULDN'T LET THE PEOPLE WHO HAD 'EM GET ANY MORE ANIMALS. IN OTHER WORDS, ATTRITION WILL SOONER OR LATER SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM IF YOU DON'T LET 'EM BREATHE AND YOU DON'T LET 'EM ACQUIRE NEW ONES. THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE WILL SOONER OR LATER DIE. BUT THAT'S A POLITICAL QUESTION AND NOT LEGAL. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED OR WHAT COMMISSIONER LEONARD SAYS. THE STATE HAS GIVEN YOU ABSOLUTE POWER. WELL, THERE'S AN OPTION C. YOU CAN, YOU CAN GRANDFATHER, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE SPAYED, NEUTERED. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY NEW ONES. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY 'EM, WHICHEVER MANNER WE CHOOSE, WHETHER IT'S A TATTOO OR WHATEVER. IT'S, UH, IDENTIFY THOSE EXISTING ANIMALS AND THERE WON'T BE ANYMORE. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE, THERE IS AN OPTION C TOO. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST HAVE A WORKSHOP AND FILL THIS OUT. AND IF YOU'D LIKE, I'D BE HAPPY TO COME DOWN FOR THAT. APPRECIATE, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU HAVE SPOKE ON THIS MATTER. NOW, I, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO, TO SAY THIS THE DAY BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION, HOWEVER, MR. BROWN, I HAVE SEEN EXAMPLE. UH, NO, NO. WHAT I SAW WAS A BLACK PANTHER. OKAY? AND THAT BLACK PANTHER WAS IN MY PASSENGER. AND THIS WAS ABOUT 10 [00:55:01] YEARS AGO. I WAS ON THE PHONE ON SUNDAY MORNING WITH MY SON WHO WAS IN TEXAS TECH, AND I WAS TALKING TO HIM, AND I LOOKED UP AND HE WAS WALKING MY FENCE LINE. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I, I LITERALLY COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. AND BY THE TIME I GOT OFF THE PHONE AND GOT MY RIFLE, HE'S GONE. WELL, I DID, I TALKED TO THE FELLOW FROM, UH, EXOTIC AND WILDLIFE, AND HE, AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WELL, IT COULDN'T IT JUST BE A ULU, BECAUSE THEY DO PASS THROUGH HERE SOMETIMES. AND HE SAID, WELL, IT COULD BE, BUT THEY DON'T STAY HERE VERY LONG. THEY'RE USUALLY MOVING ON SOMEWHERE. SO I WOULD'VE BEEN MORE CONCERNED THAT, AND THINKING MAYBE I WAS SAYING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THERE. HOWEVER, MY YOUNGER BROTHER WAS COACHING IN WILEY, AND THERE WAS A COACHING WILEY WHO WAS A BROTHER TO THE GENTLEMAN AND HAS THAT DEAL ON HIGHWAY 80. YEAH. WHERE THERE ARE ANIMALS. ON HIGHWAY EIGHT, THE GANG WARDEN HAD GONE TO HIM AND ADVISED HIM TO WATCH HIS HOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CAT THAT WAS ON THE LOOSE. AND, AND SO THAT'S WHEN I THOUGHT, I KNEW THEN THAT I WAS NOT JUST SEEING ANYBODY, BECAUSE WHEN THE GAME WARDEN WAS WARNING PEOPLE WHO HAD ANIMALS TO BE ON THE WIRE, THEN I KNEW IT WAS, WELL, I'VE HEARD THAT CO BINS HERE PERIODICALLY, BUT I, I'VE NEVER SEEN, AND THERE'S A LAWYER IN TOWN THAT, UH, KEPT IT TO HIMSELF FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID PEOPLE THAT HE WAS SEEING THINGS. BUT HE WAS COMING ACROSS ON 34TH, JUST ACROSS THE RIVER, GOT INTO COUNTY RIVER AND THE BLACK PANTHER WENT IN FRONT OF HIM. SO THEY'RE LIVING ON THE RIVER AND ALL THAT. WELL, I'VE HEARD OF SOMEBODY THAT SWEARS THEY SAW SEVEN BABOONS . WELL, OKAY, YEAH. BUT IF Y'ALL RECALL, WHEN THAT, UH, DRIVE THROUGH PARK ON LAWSON ROAD AND BELLY UP, WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE ANIMALS? THEY DIDN'T TAKE 'EM AND SELL 'EM. THEY JUST TURNED 'EM LOOSE. SO THEY JUST TURNED THEM LOOSE IN THE BOTTOM. SELL THEM. THEY WERE MONKEYS, BABOONS, PANTHERS. IN MY PRECINCT, I HAVE A BIG, UH, CAGE, I GUESS YOU CALL IT. IT'S CAGE WITHIN A CAGE. AND THIS MAN HAS PROBABLY 20 ANIMALS AND IT'S OFF 4 29 NORTH. IS THAT WHERE HE SAID, I BET MR. KNOWS WHO HE'S, BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S, WELL, HE'S A OUTTA DALLAS, SO, BUT THEY, THERE'S CAGE INSIDE THE CAGE. WELL, WHATEVER WE DO, I DON'T WANT TO PILE A BUNCH OF WORKLOAD ON THE SHERIFF, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHATEVER WE DECIDE. WELL, WE'LL SET A WORKSHOP ON THAT AND, UH, MOVE ON THAT. SO THE WAY THIS IS, HAVE A WORKSHOP. YES. MOTION TABLE, MR. SHANE. ALL AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT DISCUSSION TO STEARS AND SOUTH EVANS. AND YES, THIS IS, UH, HOPEFULLY YOUR PACKAGES. THE, UH, AGREEMENT. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THERE. UH, BUT THESE ARE TWO, TWO ROWS AND CURR THAT JUST REQUIRE PATCHING. AND THE REASON I WROTE IT NOT TO EXCEED, BECAUSE I DUNNO EXACTLY HOW MANY POTHOLES THERE ARE AND THEY JUST WANT, AND I SAID MY ESTIMATE IS THOUSAND OR LESS. SO, UH, I'LL BRING THE PACKAGE, UH, TO, TO REPAIR, STEARS AND SELL. I THINK THE WAY IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT, THAT ORDER THE JUDGE TO DO THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BE TO MAINTAIN MOTION MADE BY MR. ER, SECOND BY MR. LEONARD. ALL MOTION CARRIES. UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER CRIME WISE SIGNS ON COUNTY 40 60 IN PRECINCT FOUR. I I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A START AND STOP FOR TRAFFIC. BUT I'D SURE LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE, WELL, SINCE YOU DID BE READY FOR A WHOLE BUNCH MORE, I'D JUST LIKE THE NEWS MEDIA TO HEAR THIS. WE ARE STARTING THE F SIGN IN NORTH LIVELY 40 60 NORTH TO 40 61. UM, THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF AND I FURNISHED BE SIGNS THAT WE PUT 'EM UP IN F SIGN AROUND AROUND THE AREA WHERE THEY ESTABL IT. IT'S THE FIFTH ONE [01:00:01] THAT WE STARTED AND WE HAVE HAD VERY GOOD LUCK. AND, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CRIME LODGE AREA NOW NORTH 40 60. I JUST MAKE A SO SCIENCE, I REALLY WANTED THIS FOR A PRESS CONFERENCE, BUT IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BACK COMMISSIONER ON THE AFFAIRS MOTION TO CARRY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ENTERING TO THE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT. WHAT I HAVE THE ORIGINAL, I CAN FIND IT HERE. IT'S TO, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CONTRACT. I'D LIKE TO JUST READ IT. CONTRACTING PARTIES AS KIM BY D IS RECEIVING PRECINCT FOUR IS PERFORMING, UH, COMAN COUNTY PRECINCT 4 0 4 7 EQUIVALENT AND OPERATOR TO REPAIR PARKING LOT IN MILLWAY DRIVEWAY PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE SCHOOL WITH TWO INCHES OF TYPE B WELL COST BASIS WILL BE KIND TO THE MATERIAL. TOTAL COST OF THIS AGREEMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED $35,667 AND 60 CENTS. ID WILL PAY FOR SERVICES. UM, THE AGREEMENT BEGINS OCTOBER OH SIX AND TERMINATES JANUARY 1ST. DAY OF JANUARY OF OH SEVEN. UH, THE UNDERSIGNED CONTRACTING PARTIES DO CERTIFY THE ALTERATION PERFORMANCE SERVICE REQUIRED BY THIS AGREEMENT. AND THEN SUCH SERVICES FURTHER A GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION OF RECEIVING AGENCY PAYMENT FOR SERVICE FOLLOWED BY THE PERMIT, WILL BE PAID BY THE RECEIVING AGENCY. SIGNED, UH, A BRAND NEW, I THINK IT'S THE PRINCIPAL OR SUPERINTENDENT KIM, ID, UH, I I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE PRECINCT BEFORE TO PERFORM THAT SERVICE. DOES THAT HAVE TO BE PUT OUT FOR BIDS? ENTER, ENTER, ENTER, ENTER SOMETHING. OKAY. MOSTLY BEEN MADE BY MR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? ALL ON FAIR SIDE MOTION. CARRIE HAVE DISCUSSED, CONSIDER APPRO THE ATION OF BRADLEY MOODY FOR THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I'M CHASING A FLY UP HERE IN CASE Y'ALL WONDER FLY. THAT'S THE WAY JOE LEWIS USED TO PRACTICE HIS MOTION MADE BY SECOND BY ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WHO MADE THAT WITNESS? COMMISSIONER LEONARD MADE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER SECONDED. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE DE OF SELMA FOR MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES THAT MR. ER, I I SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO BOXING WHEN I WORKED ON MY UNCLE DAIRY FARM. I KID FLY. WAS I? NO. SOME OF YOU WON'T REMEMBER MOVE BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO YOUNG. BUT, UH, THERE WAS A MOVIE ABOUT THIS, UH, AGING GUNSLINGER AND UM, THERE WERE THREE FLIES LAYING THERE. AND HE GRABBED AND HE ONLY CAUGHT ONE. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE I COULD CATCH ALL THREE. SO THAT'S WHEN HE KNEW HE WAS SLOWING DOWN ABOUT 11 HERE JERRY, GUESS WHAT? WE CAN'T STALL IT ANY LONGER. CROWN TO THE DALLAS CROWN JUDGE. MOVE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE 19TH OF THE, UH, SLAUGHTER REPORT FOR THE WEEKEND [01:05:01] IN 10 19 2006 FROM DALLAS CROWN COMMISSIONER. IT ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION. CARRIE, DO WE HAVE ANY TRANSFERS? NOW WE HAVE A LINE ITEM TRANSFER THAT RECOGNIZES A, AN ACTION TAKEN BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO IN THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW TO INCREASE THE SALARY FOR COORDINATOR. $500 THAT COORDINATOR FOR INTERPRETATION REQUEST. APPROVE. MOTION BY MOTION. MARGARITA, WHEN YOU SEE THE BIG ONE, GARY, I TOLD YOU THIS IN UH, FEBRUARY OF, UH, 67 IN CALIFORNIA, I SAW A UO ALONG WITH ABOUT ANOTHER, ABOUT TWO. YEAH, I'VE READ ABOUT THAT. THEY WERE ALL STANDING IN FORMATION. YEAH, WE WERE STANDING FORMATION. BLACK PANTHER, PANTHER, BLACK PANTHER. THERE WAS A CIGAR SHAPED DEAL. CAME DOWN MOUNTAIN OCEAN. AND THEN AFTER WE GOT THIS PIECE, IT HAD BEEN SEEN OVER SAN FRANCISCO, LOS ANGELES AND DISAPPEARED OVER THE, DUNNO WHERE IT CAME FROM. GONNA DISCUSS, PAY THE BILLS DIRECTION, THE [01:10:11] WHAT YOU GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF NEGOTIATE MY BROTHER THERE. YOU KNOW THE LIKE AS LONG AS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE IN FOR. OH YEAH. AND HE HAD A HOLE RIGHT? FOR AND THEN A HOLE IN HE, SO THEY WERE ASKING, HEY, HEY, HEY, YOU GOT THREE SHOTS OFF LIKE THAT? HE'S ALL JUST ONE SHOT. ONE SHOT. I SAID, YEAH, HOW I BE. I'M JUST GUESSING AT THAT TOO THOUGH. I THINK IT'S SATURDAY. DO YOU HAVE COUGARS? HEY, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING WE CAN DO IS WE A BOUNTY ON IF THEY GET OUT. THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH. I'M, I'M WILLING, I WROTE THE ENFORCEMENT IS CONSIDERED TRIAL'S ON THAT LIST. NOT ON THAT LIST. I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THAT LIST. PAY. OH YEAH. OH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. AND OUR NAMES ARE ON SEVERAL WEBSITES. I DUNNO IF Y'ALL KNOW. WELL, THE GUY FROM, [01:15:24] YEAH, I BETTER, THAT'S REALLY SAD. IT'S TRAGIC. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. WE STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT. PREVIOUS. DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD'VE BEEN ON LIKE DATELINE IF HE HAD GONE? OH, OH YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE WHOLE STORY YET. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE. I THINK THEY'RE SAVING FOR PRIME TIME. I THINK THAT IF THEY HAD ARRESTED HIM, THAT HE WOULD'VE BEEN ON THAT GOING OUT. YES. IF THEY HAD ARRESTED HIM, THEY WOULD'VE SHOWN THE ARREST. YES, I SURE DO. MY SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW HAD BEEN OUT. THEY, AT FIRST WHEN SHE SAID THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID, NO. NO, SERIOUSLY. WELL PJ GIBSON TOLD ME THAT HE DID HAVE FAMILY. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF HE HAD FAMILY. YOU GOT A SISTER. THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME. SEE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN HE PROBABLY GOT COUSINS AND STUFF, BUT SHE SAID HE HAD A NEPHEW AND A NIECE SISTER, BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVED. AND SHE SAID THE SISTER LIVED IN AUSTIN. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE SISTER. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE HAD A SISTER. MORE WHAT YOU DO. WHAT KIND SICKER DID YOU GET? HUH? I DIDN'T GET ONE. YOU KNOW, BAR WHAT? YOU HAD 2,313 FOR EARLY VOTING. THAT'S A BIG TURNOUT. WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR POPULATION? WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO YOUR POPULATION, BUT IN 40 ID I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM DICK LAST WEEK. THEY'RE 10. WE PUT THIS IN THE PAPER. 10,387 [01:20:01] REGISTERED VOTERS FROM 40 ISD. SO WE MAY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD TIME. YOU DON'T WHAT THE, IF IT HOLDS SAME VOTE ON ELECTION DAY, 50 OR 50%, THAT'D BE AMAZING. WELL, IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT ELECTION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. IS THAT SCHOOL BOND STILL NOT HAPPY? YOU WANT A NEW SCHOOL OR DO YOU WANT A NEW SCHOOL? WELL, DIDN'T KEN, KEN SAYS, DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON IT. DON'T EVEN, I'LL PUT IT, I'LL TELL YOU THIS. I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE, THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE, THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE WAS DISBANDED 'CAUSE IT WAS NO LONGER NEEDED. BUT THEN ANOTHER COMMITTEE WAS FORMED, BUT I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T CALL ON THAT COMMITTEE. I'M GONNA ASK HIM IF I EVER TALKED TO TYCO YOUNG, WHY I WOULDN'T CALL ON THAT. I GUESS THAT'S A COMMITTEE OF ONE OR TWO. WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT, THAT MORNING I SAW, I HOPE THEY ALL FELL. EVERY ONE OF 'EM. HOW BIG DO YOU THINK IT WAS? I, 10 MINUTES OF TAPE. BUT I THOUGHT IT BE ON THE TAPES BECAUSE I SAID I DON'T CARE. DOESN'T BOTHER ME A BIT. NAME. YEAH, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE. I, THE COMMITTEE WAS DISMANTLED 'CAUSE IT WAS A BOARD PLAN. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S A BIG TURNOUT. 20 23, 13 26 ON SCHOOL. TWO PROPOSITION FOR SCHOOL. I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT THEY OFTEN, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE OF COURSE TO TRY TO INTIMIDATE YOU. BUT UNLESS YOU'RE, UNLESS YOU'RE, I SAY UNLESS YOU, YOU DON'T MIND PAYING SCHOOL TAXES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA VOTE YOURSELF A FREEZE FOR THESE BID. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ME SAY IF I WAS INTERVIEWED FOR A SUPERINTENDENT, DO THEY RESPECT THEM, RESPECT HIS EMPLOYEE? DOES YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP, WHAT TYPE OF CITY AND DO THEY CARRY THEIR, ARE THEY ACTIVE IN THE AND THE HE'S GONNA CALL YOU WHEN HE STARTS UP? OKAY. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE TO BE HONEST, COWBOY, IT'S OVER. I'M NOT WATCHING THEM ANYMORE. WATCHING THE COWBOYS. AND THE THIRD THING, JOHNNY, I'M GONNA START, HOW DO, IF THOSE THREE THINGS FALL, ORDER THE REST OF THEM FALL ORDER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT STUFF. THEY DON'T HAVE LOT CONTROL. IF THOSE THREE THINGS FALL ORDER, YOU'LL HAVE AND THE SUPERINTENDENT, THE 40 MAY 5TH MINUS, MINUS ALL THEM OVER. TELL HIM I'LL GO OVER IT. PAY THE BILLS. BUT 2300 THIRTEENS DONE OUT, VOTED. I KNOW 40 OUT VOTED THREE OUT. OH, OH. UHHUH. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE WHO VOTE, THEY VOTE IN THEIR LOCAL PLACES. THEY, I WOULD GO ONE 40 [01:25:02] LOAD THE WHAT? UM, WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO GO SWING. I JUST GRATEFUL PEOPLE. THAT WOULD BE A BIG TURNOUT. AND USUALLY YOU HAVE A GOOD TURNAROUND ON SO WE COULD 20 MOTION TO PAY THE CAR. SO WE JUST THERE WITH GRANDSON. MADE BY COMMISSIONER. BY COMMISSIONER SHANE? UH, FRIDAY NIGHT, NO, SATURDAY NIGHT, THE MORNING. SO BARBECUE. SO WE WERE THERE AND, UH, MY THREE, 3-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON WAS RUNNING AROUND, HAD BIKE HIS SIDE. EVERY TIME WE TURN HIM BLUE, HE HIT HIM FOR THAT BICYCLE AND THEY'D GO GET HIM AND BRING IT BACK. AND THEY TURN BICYCLE. SO BICYCLE, IS THAT FOR SANTA OR IS IT FOR WE HADN'T MADE THAT, MADE THAT DECISION YET. DO YOU, DOES HE KNOW THAT YOU GOT IT? NO, HE DOES NOT KNOW IT YET. OH, DOES. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW. THANK. OKAY. JIM MADE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. MOTION CARRIES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.