* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. COMMISSIONER [00:00:01] COURT. NOVEMBER 27TH, 2006. WHAT DOES IT SAY ON PURPLE? PURPLE HEART COMBAT WOUNDED. GOT THAT AT THE, UH, WORLD WAR II MUSEUMS IN NEW ORLEANS USED TO BE THE D-DAY MUSEUM. THAT'S, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. WHO WAS KEEPING SCORE THE CHECK IF YES, SIR. THAT ONE'S ON. THANK YOU AGAIN. COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU OPEN THE FATHER? WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND FATHER, WE, WE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT WE SPEND EACH YEAR REMEMBERING THE SACRIFICES THAT WERE MADE AND FATHER, THE, THE HARDSHIP THAT OUR, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WENT THROUGH. AND FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR COUNTRY AND OUR CONSTITUTION. AND FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH OUR TROOPS WHO ARE OVERSEAS AND WE ASK YOU, FATHER, BE WITH US AND HELP US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE WISE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR WILL. JESUS NAME, CLEAR A FLAG, PLEASE. TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, I PLEDGE TO LEAD TEXAS ONE AND INDIVIDUAL. Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF LAST WEEK'S MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTIONS. APPROVALS AS PRESENTED. SO, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. BY COMMISSIONER ROUNDING. ALL IN FAVOR. CI. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY, JOHNNY, YOU'RE UP. ONE GOT THE TREASURER'S REPORT FOR OCTOBER. WELL, LEMME EXPLAIN. YOU SAID A NEGATIVE NUMBER THERE TO ANY BALANCE. AND ACTUALLY WE DIDN'T, UH, WE DIDN'T BALANCE ANY CHECK, WHICH IS HELL OF YOU THERE ABOUT TWO DAYS AFTER WE GOT THREE WEEKS, I WAS TRANSFERRED FROM A ACCESS REFLECTION. TIMING PROBLEM. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. I OUT ARE NO QUESTIONS. WE GONNA DATE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROW. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF INTER INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF POST OAK 10 AND COUNTY FOR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. [00:05:03] IS THAT YOUR YES, JUDGE. THAT ALL, UH, THING OF, UH, THEIR CITY COUNCIL HAS MET AND, UH, SIGNED THIS AGREEMENT. SO, UH, I JUST NEED TO, UH, GET THIS BACK. WASN'T THERE SOME PROBLEM THAT YOU HAD COMMISSIONER LEONARD WITH SOME OF THESE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS IN THE PAST THAT YOU WANTED SOME CHANGES MADE? WELL, DID WE EVER DO THAT OR IS THAT NECESSARY OR, UH, WE, UH, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, UH, GORDON PIERCE AND, AND, UH, I THINK HE'S BEEN TALKING WITH SOME, WITH, UH, CITY IN CALIFORNIA IN ABOUT REVISING IN. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. ALRIGHT. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THIS, UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHANG. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. THIS IS IN AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNTY WILL CONTROL THE, UH, REGULATIONS. EXACTLY. YEAH. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WE DO IS OUR AGREEMENT IN THE E TJ SAID IT'S NOT YEAH, I DISCUSSED, CONSIDER ACCEPTING AN AMENDED DEDICATION OF BROAD EASEMENT ON COUNTY ROAD 3 54 IN COMPTON COUNTY PRECINCT THREE. YES. MAY I MAKE THAT MOTION AND CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? SURE. ALL PEOPLE INVOLVED ON THIS COUNTY ROAD HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND SIGNED OFF ON IT, AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE, THE LINE. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO APPROVE THAT THIS MORNING. I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL HERE IN THE AUDIENCE OFF OF 3 54. SO, UH, UH, MR. HARRISON'S HERE IS, UH, MR. THOMPSON HERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN MR. THOMPSON MORE. UH, ANYWAY, THEY'VE ALL SIGNED OFF, SO I WOULD, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION'S BEEN MADE A SECOND. IS ANY DISCUSSION ALL ALONG A ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. JUDGE, Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE THAT MATTER. WHO SECOND IT. COMMISSIONER LEONARD. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSSED CONSIDER RESOLUTION FOR THE CREATION OF FAIRFIELD MUNICIPAL WATER. NO, FAIRFIELD MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT OF S COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER THREE. IT'S NOT MAKE THAT MOTION. THE PEOPLE WITH HUNT REALTY ARE HERE THIS MORNING. TODD WATSON AND, UH, IS HERE THIS MORNING REPRESENTING, UH, UH, HUNT REALTY. AND THIS WILL BE, UH, EAST OF TERRELL, UH, JUST AT WILSON ROAD. UH, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THEIR AGREEMENT APPROVED BY THE CITY OF TERRELL, SO, UH, WE'RE JUST TAKING IT FORWARD FOR THE COUNTY, BUT, AND IT'S IN TERRELL Z TJ? YEAH, IT'S IN TERRELL, TJ, ABOUT 10 ACRES OF, IT'S IN MY PRECINCT. . I'VE MET WITH THEM. COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, OR, UH, IF THEY'D LIKE, I'M, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT? UH, OR TODD, YOU NEED A QUICK OVERVIEW THAT, THANK YOU. HI, TODD WATSON WITH HUNT REALTY IN DALLAS, TEXAS. UM, I'VE GOT TWO MAPS THAT, UH, DEPICT THIS PROPERTY. UM, JUST TO GET YOUR, YOUR ORIENTATION, UM, THE CITY OF TERRELL, HIGHWAY 80, INTERSTATE 20 RIGHT HERE. OUR PROPERTY IS THIS PROPERTY IN THE BROWN PORTION OF IT IS, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS IN COMMISSIONER SHANE'S, UH, PRECINCT. AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 200 ACRES SOUTH OF 20 COMMISSIONER ROUNDS DISTRICT. UM, [00:10:04] WE HAVE ABOUT, HAVE 2,600 ACRES THAT WE HAVE, UH, PLANNED FOR A RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, COMMUNITY. UH, THERE WILL BE SOME INDUSTRIAL ON IT, AND WE ARE, ARE STILL IN THE PLANNING PROCESSES. UM, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TARRELL TO PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICES, UM, ON, ON, UH, THE SEWER, SAN SEWER AS WELL AS, UH, PORTABLE WATER. AND, UH, WE HAVE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, FINALIZE THE WATER WITH THEM AND, UH, THEY ARE DOING SOME MASTER PLANNING ON SANITARY SEWER. WE ARE, WE HAVE PURCHASED THE WATER RIGHTS FROM THE COLLEGE MOUND WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION AND OR THE TCEQ PROCESS, TRANSFERRING THOSE WATER RIGHTS TO OUR PROPERTY. AND THEN WE'LL IN TURN WORK WITH THE CITY TAR. UM, OUR INTENT IS TO CREATE THE MUD LEGISLATIVELY. OUR INTENT IS TO CREATE THE MUD LEGISLATIVELY IN THE 2007 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UM, AT THE STATE, TEXAS. WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME DO YOU SEE ON THIS DAY? UH, WE HAVE PROBABLY 12 TO 24 MONTHS OF ENTITLEMENTS BEFORE WE'RE COMPLETE AND ACTUALLY READY TO TURN, TURN THIS FIRST STATE OF DIRT. UM, IT'S GONNA BE WHOLLY DEPENDENT ON THE MARKET WHEN THE MARKET GETS TO US. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AT FORNEY ON THE WEST EDGE OF TAR BEFORE WE'LL BE EVEN READY TO START. UM, GROUND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL IS A THREE TO FIVE YEAR TIMELINE. OKAY. ON WHAT WE THINK WE'LL BE READY TO GO. GREAT MOTION TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE OF THAT. AND JERRY SECONDED. ALL 32ND. MOTION TO CARRY. THANK YOU. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT. WE HAD, UH, UH, VISITED, UH, ONE OF Y'ALL'S PROJECT BEFORE AND, UH, REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IT AND DECIDED THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE UP HERE AND, AND PUTTING THIS PROJECT IN. OF COURSE, Y'ALL BEEN HERE, HE'S JUST GOING MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK HAVE DISCUSSED. CONSIDER APPRO ATION OF NANCY DICKSON TO THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE OF TON COUNTY COMMISSIONER MAKES THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER. SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, IN PART REQUEST 40 37 ON 37 MR. B MR. B'S BOULEVARD, MR. B'S BOULEVARD . MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER. SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROW. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. I DID NOT, I NEED TO, UH, MAKE COPIES. OKAY, GOOD FOR THE MINUTES. AND, UH, THE FILE TODAY. HERE, HERE THEY HAVE. OKAY. ADDENDUM, UH, FIRST ADDENDUM ON OUR AGENDA IS DISCUSSED. CONSIDER VOID THE BID NUMBER SEVEN ONE SUV POLICE VEHICLES FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. JACK, THAT'S, UH, JUDGE, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POPULAR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CALL WON'T LET ME DO. SO I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS OUT. I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS DAYS OFF. THE, THE FIRST TWO PAGES, UH, ARE 2 62 OH, UH, 2 62 0.027 OF GOVERNMENT CODE. UM, IT MENTIONS THAT THE, UH, AWARDS BE MADE TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE [00:15:01] BIDDER, UH, GETTING SPECIFICATION OR BEST BID. UH, AN EXAMPLE OF BEST BID WOULD BE OUR OFFICE SUPPLY BID, WHERE, UH, THE VENDOR WAS LOW ON THREE FOUR ITEMS, BUT HE WASN'T LOW ON THE TOTAL. HE WAS SAYING SECOND LOAD DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD SAME DAY TO NEXT DAY DELIVERY AND THE ABILITY TO GO GET HIS BUSINESS, PICK UP SUPPLIES, ACCESS TO HIS USED FURNITURE, THAT TYPE OF THING. MADE THAT, UH, MADE BEST BID. UH, THIS PARTICULAR BID, UH, I SEE NO VALUE IN GOING TO THE, THE SECOND LOAN BIDDER. UH, THERE IS A SAVINGS OF, UH, $1,683 AND 50 CENTS IF WE WENT LOW BID. BE EXPECT, UH, WE, WE PUT THIS OUT FOR BID. UH, 'CAUSE FOLKS WANTED TO GIVE THE LOCAL SUPPLIERS AN OPPORTUNITY. UH, THERE WAS, UH, A CONTRACT AVAILABLE WE COULD HAVE WRITTEN, UH, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE THE COUNTY $2,863 AND 50 CENTS ON THESE VEHICLE. UH, BUT WE CHOSE TO, AND I AGREE, WE'VE, UH, WE CHOSE TO PUT THIS OUT TO GIVE THE LOCAL VETERANS OPPORTUNITY. PURCHASE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS DOES THAT. WE GO THROUGH YELLOW PAGES ON EACH BID AND, AND TRY TO FIND BETTER LOCAL BID ON THIS STUFF. SO WE GIVE EVERY, EVERY EFFORT IS MADE TO, TO DO THAT. UH, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, ERIC DAVID AT SANTA CHEVROLET HERE IN KAUFMAN. HE TELLS ME HE WOULD LOVE TO DO THE MORNING WORK AND SERVICE WORK ON VEHICLES. AND I'M NOT, AND I SPOKE DEPUTY CHIEF THIS MORNING. UM, I'M IN NO WAY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WORK WITH SERVICE VEHICLES, BUT JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, UH, THE LOCAL VENDOR WOULD LOVE TO SERVICE THESE VEHICLES IF WE CHOSE TO BUYS FROM OUT TOWN. UH, WE ALSO, AFTER LAST WEEK, UH, HAD TWO VENDORS THAT, UH, SPOKE TO ME. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, AWARDING TO SECOND LOW BIDDER BIDDERS OVER HERE IN TOWN. HAD ONE OF THE, UH, BIDDERS ON THE, UH, VARIOUS ROAD MATERIALS THAT, UH, WANTED TO BE SURE THAT HE KNEW WHEN WE AWARD THIS CONTRACT SO HE COULD BE HERE. UH, THE CONCRETE VENDOR THAT WE WENT OUT BID ONE TIME, AND IT WAS ONE BID. WE FELT LIKE IT WAS OUT OF, UH, THE BUDGET WE REBID. AND OF COURSE, HE WAS BEAT THE SECOND TIME. AND HE DID TAKE LONG TO KICK WIND OF THE FACT THAT WE MADE WAR TWO A LOCAL VENDOR, WHICH HE WAS A LOCAL VENDOR THAT GOT BEAT BY 4,006 ON THAT BID. I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED WE MIGHT MIGHT START SOMETHING HERE IF, IF, UH, WE START AWARDING TO VENDORS THAT ARE NOT THE LOW BIDDER, YOU EXPECT PAY. AND, UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE GOVERNOR CODE WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OTHER THAN WHAT THE, THAT I GO ABOUT TELL TO DO. I, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH, WITH KEEPING THE LOCAL GUYS, UH, INCLUDED. BUT, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT, UH, I GET THE BEST PRICE FOR THE 99,000 ASSISTANCE COUNTY. AND WITH THAT, UH, THAT'S MY . I'M THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT UP TO, UH, GO AGAINST THE LOW BIDDER. AND I WANTED TO A, TO A LOCAL DEALER BECAUSE I, I WOULD JUST RATHER SEE THAT MONEY STAY IN THE COUNTY . UH, I REALIZE IT WAS 2000 BUCKS, 2,500 BUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I, THAT MAY JEOPARDIZE SOME OF OUR BIDS IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT HERE IN THE, IN THE COUNTY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. IF THAT'S NOT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WISHES. WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW LIKELY WE ASKED TO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO. BUT IF THIS BID WERE $5,000 DIFFERENCE OR $10,000 DIFFERENCE, I MIGHT LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY AND, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT GO TO THE LOCAL BID, OR IF POSSIBLE, I START RESPECTING THE, UH, CITY FOR BANK. WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR? SURE. JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I CAN'T MAKE RECOMMENDATION. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE ON THAT. CAN I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS? YES. WELL, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY RIGHT NOW. I, AS I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT'S LOWEST AND BEST. AND IT IS $2,000 DIFFERENCE FOR, FOR ALL FIVE VEHICLES OR PER VEHICLE, 1,683 50 CENTS. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FOR ALL FIVE VEHICLES. RIGHT? OKAY. NOW, 330 SOMETHING VEHICLE IS ABOUT WHAT NOW WHILE WE'RE [00:20:01] ON SUBJECT, THE THIRD PAGE IS SECTION 2 71 0.90 5TH OF NOVEMBER CODE. AND THAT IS A LOCAL PREFERENCE LAW THAT ALLOWS 3% IF YOU, UH, READ THAT AS REALLY PERTAINING TO, UH, REAL PROPERTY. AND, UH, IF YOU READ, READ THE CODE, BASICALLY IT, IT, UH, IT IS ONLY IF THAT IMPACTS THE, THE, THE COUNTY FAR AS A BUSINESS WOULD HIRE NEW EMPLOYMENT AND THE COUNTY CREATE ALL THIS BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT 3% PURPOSE LAW IS. OKAY. NOW AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR ALL ALL THE VEHICLES? I'M THINKING ROUND FIGURES 150,000. RIGHT? OF COURSE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM LOWEST TO BEST AND YOU'RE MAKING $150,000 EXPENDITURE, I'M A BIG FAN OF REAGANOMICS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M A SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS GUY. IF YOU'RE SPENDING 150,000 INSIDE THE COUNTY, YOU'RE GONNA REAP MORE THAN $1,600 BENEFIT, UH, BY KEEPING THAT MONEY IN IN THE COUNTY. UH, THAT CAN'T BE A FACTOR THERE. THERE'S NOTHING TO GOVERNMENT CODE O OTHER THAN THE 3% PREFERENCE LAW. WHERE'S GOING TO IMPACT A, UH, IF YOU HAVE TWO VENDORS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN, WE'LL SAY THEY'RE BOTH IN THE COUNTY, ONE GUY LIVES IN THE COUNTY, NEXT GUY DOESN'T, UH, IF YOU WERE TO HIM, THAT'S GOING CREATE, UH, THE COUNTY HIRING NEW, NEW HIRES FOR HIS BUSINESS TO CREATE ALL THIS TAX REVENUE. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY PREFERENCE, ONLY THING IN THERE THAT, THAT ALLOWS THAT. AND I WILL SAY THAT THIS FY I DID, UH, DID A SURVEY WITH MY PEERS IN THE COUNTY, UH, FOLKS AND EVERYONE AGREED THAT I CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATION A LITTLE BIT NOW. UM, SO LEMME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH THE BID PROCESS, IT WOULD STILL BE CHEAPER TO BUY IT THROUGH A CO COOPERATIVE STATEWIDE AGREEMENT. CORRECT? THAT, THAT IS OPTION TWO. I SPOKE WITH THE VENDOR THIS MORNING, UH, PROBABLY TO DO THAT, TO OFFER THE, STILL OFFER TARRANT COUNTY. SO WE'RE, IF, IF WE AWARD A BID, WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN IF WE JUST BUY IT THROUGH THE TART COUNTY COOP. WE, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. WE, WE, WELL, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WE, WE AWARD TO, UH, UH, A LOCAL GUY THE SECOND LOW BID, AND WE PAY 1600 A $3 50 CENTS MORE, OR WE, UH, RIDE THE TARRANT COUNTY CONTRACT, UH, AND SAVE $2,860 IN . SO WE HAD, WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION OF JUST REJECTING YOU CAN ALL THE BIDS, WE COULD REJECT ALL BIDS AND, AND, AND, UH, RIDE THE CONTRACT. UH, THE VENDOR DID AGREE TO THAT. DID YOU NOTIFY THE, UH, THE LOW BIDDER AND GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY? YES, SIR. TELL HIM TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY AND GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. SURE DID. YES, SIR. HE, HE ALSO, THAT'S WHEN HE FAXED ME THE, UH, COPY OF THE TERRY COUNTY CONTRACT. CHIEF COCHRAN, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IN THIS MATTER? WELL, I THINK LIKE MOST OF YOU, I LIKE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT ALSO ON THE OTHER HAND, IF UH, THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT, WE NEED TO TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT. THANK YOU. AREN'T THE, UH, AREN'T THE REQUIREMENTS ON THIS ON THE SUVA LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE REAR AIR CONDITIONER? IS THAT YES, SIR. THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE WE JUST GO OUT AND, UH, GO THE HGAC OR THE COUNTY ONE? BECAUSE THESE ARE SPECIFIC AIR CONDITIONING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, ANIMALS IN THE BACK. THERE'S DOG DOG VEHICLES. RIGHT. THE SPECIFICATION CALLS FOR REAR AIR. THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE SHERIFF WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. THE LAST TIME WE HELD OFF THE BID DID INCLUDE THE REAR AIR. DOES TARRANT COUNTY HAVE THAT OPTION? YES, SIR. DID HE GET THAT? HE, UH, REVIEWED OUR SPEC BASED ON, ON THIS BID AND APPLIED IT TO THE, TO THE 12 CONTRACT AND HAD REAR AIR. DO THEY HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR DELIVERY? UH, BUT LOCK ANYONE ELSE? THEY WOULD HAVE TO ORDER, UH, IF IT WAS TWO WHEEL DRIVE, THEY HAVE THOSE VEHICLES ON THE LOT. THESE ARE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. UH, SO WE'VE TO ORDER THOSE JUST LIKE WE WOULD WITH THE MOBILE DEALER. SEE MY TWO VEHICLES TAKING FOREVER, YOU KNOW. UM, WELL YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET CAUGHT IN, IN THE CUTOFF TIME. CAUGHT IN THE TIME. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THAT'S THE NOW, RIGHT. UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY WHATEVER WE CAN I EVEN IF IT'S $1,400, $1,400 OR 1400. UM, ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THAT, UH, [00:25:02] ALL THE FOUR CROWN VICS THAT PURCHASED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WERE ALL BOUGHT OUT TOWN. THE DODGE, UH, CHARGE. WE'RE BUYING, WERE BOUGHT OUT TOWN. IT'S NEVER BEEN A SERVICE WARRANTY ISSUE. IF YOU GO ON HDAC OR BUYBOARD OR ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE PRE BID CONTRACT, IT'S GONNA BE AN OUT OF TOWN VENDOR, RIGHT? UH, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN ANY. THE CLOSEST ONE, I THINK IS THE ONE IN PHIL POD. IS THAT WHERE THEY AT? IN DALLAS, TEXAS, I BELIEVE. YEAH, THEY'RE ALL OUT OF TOWN. HOUSTON, GALVESTON, SAN ANTONIO. UH, AND I WILL SAY IT, IT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA, IN MY OPINION, TO BID THESE OUT FROM TIME TO TIME JUST TO CHECK WHAT'S OUT THERE, SEE IF, YOU KNOW, GIVE UP, UP TO THE LOCAL VENDOR. THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT WE'RE JACKING WITH THESE VENDORS, THESE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND BID ON THESE, EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA SAY, I AIN'T GOING BID ON THAT NONSENSE. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. LET'S, LET'S BE VERY SPECIFIC AND I AGREE. GET A LOW BID, LET'S TAKE IT. I AGREE, OF COURSE, WHEN, WHEN THE COURT'S OVER, UH, THE COURTS THROUGH TALK WITH THESE FOLKS, BUT I'M NOT FREE TO TALK TO 'EM. OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, ALL, ALL I WANT TO SEE IS, IS THE LOW BID. I DON'T KNOW WHY. WAS THERE A REASON WHY WE DIDN'T GO OUT TO TERRACE COUNTY OR, UH, UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO, UH, TEST, TEST WITH WATER IF YOU WOULD MM-HMM . AND GIVE THE LOCAL GUY AN OPPORTUNITY. AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FROM TIME TO TIME. MM-HMM . YOU'LL NEED TO BUY CARS FOR FIVE YEARS IN A ROW AND NOT GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES. BUT I THINK ONCE YOU BID IT OUT AND YOU SHOW THEM, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN BUY FOR, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE BIDDING, I THINK THEY'RE REASONABLE TO UNDERSTAND. SO, UH, WE GIVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO THESE FOLKS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE TIED TO JUST GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCAL DEFENDERS. WELL, BUT ALL OF THOSE DEALERS UNDERSTAND THE BENCHMARK IS THE STATE CONTRACT. SURE. AND YOU KNOW, AND THEY UNDERSTAND EITHER YOU BEAT THAT OR YOU PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET THE CONTRACT. WELL, THEY'LL THAT TOO, THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION. ALL THEY NEED CALL. RIGHT. UM, DO YOU NEED THE MOTION? YEAH, I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE REJECT THE BID MOTION MADE TO REJECT ALL BID SECOND, UH, SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH. YEAH. SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. UM, IF WE REJECT THE BID, THEN, THEN THIS VENDOR HAS AGREED TO SELL US THE VEHICLES AT THE COUNTY CONTRACT COOP. SO WE'RE BUYING FROM THE SAME GUY FOR LESS MONEY. IT IS THE, IT'S THE SAME VENDOR. HE JUST, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DID NOT PASS ALONG THAT SAME PRICE WHEN THEY HAD TO BID OUT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY WOULD IF YOU GIVE THAT. BUT HE HAS, HE WILL SELL IT TO US FOR THE BETTER PRICE. WELL, LET ME, OH, OKAY. LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THE OTHER QUESTION. COULD WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH LOCAL VENDORS? COULD WE HAVE SAID, CAN YOU SELL US THIS VEHICLE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TARRANT COUNTY COOPERATIVE PRICE? NO. YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WHAT YOU COULD DO IS, IF THEY CALLED ME, I CAN TELL 'EM WHAT THE TARRANT COUNTY PRICE IS. OKAY. OPEN RECORDS, THEY CAN BID OFF OF THAT, BUT I CAN'T GO TO THEM AFTER. NO. OH, SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY SELLING ON THE TARRANT COUNTY CONTRACT. THEY'RE JUST SAYING THEY'LL DROP THEIR PRICE JUST TO MATCH THE TARRANT COUNTY CONTRACT? WELL, THE, THE LOW BIDDER RIGHT. DID NOT BID THE CO-OP PRICE. OKAY. HE WAS $500 HIGHER THAN THE CO-OP PRICE, BUT, UH, BASED ON CON COUNTY BY FIVE VEHICLES VERSUS A CONTRACT FOR HUNDRED 50 VEHICLES. BUT HE WILL, IF WE DO REJECT THE BIDS, UH, HE'LL GIVE US TAR COUNTY PRICING OR WE CAN, OR WE CAN OR WE CAN AWARD TO LOW BID. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WANT TO BUY IT FOR THE LOW BID, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE 16 83 50? OR DO YOU WANNA SAVE 28? WANNA, WE HAVE TO GO OUT. SEE, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IF WE REJECT ALL BIDS, WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO TURN AROUND. I MEAN, WHAT MECHANISM DO WE TURN AROUND AND BUY THROUGH THIS GUY FOR THE TARRAN COUNTY CONTRACT PROPERTY? FIRST OF ALL, I, I COULD HAVE WENT AND BOUGHT THESE CARS AND NOT EVEN COME TO COURT. YEAH, PLACE YOUR FEET OPEN. I'M AWARE OF THAT. SO ALL WE DO NOW IS CAMP IS REJECT ALL BIDS AND THEN I CALL BACK AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO PURCHASE FIVE VEHICLES BASED ON THE TARRANT COUNTY CONTRACT. OKAY. SO BY REJECTING ALL BIDS, WE'RE NOT PUSHING THE, THE DEAL BACK ANY FURTHER OR ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST DOING IT. NO, SIR. SO YOU SEE IT, YOU, YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS. SECOND LITTLE BIDDER, THE LOW BIDDER, OR SAVING MORE AND CANCEL ALL THE BIDS BASED ON, IS THAT [00:30:01] YOUR MOTION TO REJECT THAT? I JUST MADE A MOTION TO REJECT THE BID. I SECOND IT. I FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, SO YEAH. YOU WANT LET YOUR SECOND STAND? I THINK THE SECOND WORKS GOOD. ALRIGHT. YOU WANT DISCUSSION? I THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE'VE OBJECTED ALL BACK IN YOUR ALLOWED WE'VE ALL THAT 2,800. I'M ASSURE Y'ALL GET THAT. THANKS. THANKS FOR ALL YOU. OKAY, NEXT ITEM, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK AT THE COURTHOUSE. UH, I'VE BEEN ADVISED, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WRITTEN MATERIAL ON IT, BUT ANYTHING IN WRITING, BUT I'VE BEEN ADVISED THAT THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM HAS COME BACK AND WITH, UH, UH, A GUESSTIMATE AS TO WHAT, UH, IT WAS GOING TO COST IF WE DO, IF WE TURN 'EM LOOSE IN THE COURTHOUSE. AND, UH, JACKIE, YOU READY TO DISCUSS THIS? YES, SIR. IS CHARLIE HERE THIS MORNING? OFFICERS ACTUALLY AT JOHNSON COUNTY THIS MORNING, BUT, UH, YOU SPOKE TO HIM FRIDAY AND UH, WE DISCUSSED IT AND WE DECIDED THAT, UH, YOU COULD CARRY ON THE CONVERSATIONS. I THINK SO. YES, SIR. , ARE YOU ONE KIND OF KIDS CAUGHT UP TO DATE THEN? YES, SIR. UH, BASICALLY THERE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME PARTIES THAT, THAT MIGHT WANT TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT, UH, MAKING A MINOR REPAIR, UH, IN THE AUDITOR'S AREA. MINE MAY BE DOING ONE COURTROOM, UH, KIND OF PUT A BANDAID ON THIS BLANKET OUT AND UTILIZING THAT ROOM AND ALSO THE OLD JAIL, THAT COURTROOM, UH, THERE'S, UH, OTHER FOLKS MAY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT. UH, I THINK THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE FACTOR IN ASBESTOS REMOVAL, UH, INTO THIS. IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY SURPRISED. SOME MAY, MAY HAVE A COURTHOUSE SHUT DOWN FOR A WEEK OR TWO. CHARLIE TELLS ME THAT, UH, ABOUT THE CHEAPEST THING TO BE DONE IS ABOUT ABOUT 1.1 MILLION AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, NOT DO ANYTHING IN THE, UH, WORKS AREA, NOT DO ANYTHING IN THE WORKS AREA. ANYTHING DOWNSTAIRS THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE SPEAKER IS, IS MOVING THE DA. UH, SO HE THINKS THAT HE COULD DO SOME REPAIRS IN THE COURTROOM, ADD ADDITIONAL COURT IN OUR AREA HOUSE IN MY AREA, UH, FOR ABOUT 1.1. JUST DO THE, THE NECESSITIES, UH, IF HE HAD HAD TO MOVE THE DA DOWNSTAIRS TO DO WORK DOWN THERE AND CREATE SOME MORE WORKSPACE UPSTAIRS, UH, ABOUT 1.8 MILLION. WHAT THE, UH, ESTIMATE NOW, UH, FACTORED INTO THAT IS, UH, SEEING WHAT THE, HOW THE AADA REPORT COMES BACK. I THINK I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT, UH, UH, 50,000 IS THE TRIGGER NUMBER. WE SPENT 50,000 IN THE COURTROOM COURTHOUSE. NOW WE HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT EDA THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE RAMPS IN THE COURTROOM, RESTROOM ISSUES, UH, POPULAR ROUNDS, OUTSIDE GUARDRAILS, THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, IF YOU KEEP IT UNDER 50, THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT MIGHT JUST GO IN AND MAYBE TAKE OUT A MILE WALL AND MOVE THE HOUSE OFFICE AND MAYBE UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR A COUNTY COURT LAW. AND THEN, UH, JUDGE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE COULD USE THE, UH, JAIL OF THE, UH, QUARTER, THE OTHER JAIL. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. I GUESS WE EITHER DO A MINOR REPAIR MIDDLE OR WE JUST DO ENOUGH TO GET A COURT AND, AND NOT MOVE DA DOWNSTAIRS AND DID ALL THAT DOWNSTAIRS OR WE DID FOR PLUMBING, UH, REPAIR. IT MAY BE 1.8. AND, UH, AND THAT'S NOT COUNTY ANY KIND ASBESTOS, UH, REMOVAL. NOW, ONE THING HE HAS IN HIS, UH, I'M NEGOTIATING THIS, WE HAVEN'T SIGNED CONTRACT OFFICER. UH, HE HAD A FEE ABOUT 25,000, UH, TO COME IN HERE AND OF COURSE START THE, THE PROCESS WITH THE, UH, MEETING WITH EVERYBODY TO FIND OUT WHERE I CAN TAKE ROOM WHERE I GAVE ROOM AND THEN BRING IN THE 88, UH, SPECIAL CENTER TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BUILDING TO SEE, UH, WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. IT MIGHT BE WORTH THE EFFORT TO SPEND. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SPEND 25,000, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTH THE EFFORT TO [00:35:01] DO A STAY FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS BUILDING SO WE DON'T GET TO SIMILAR SITUATION WE'RE IN OR AADA. W UH, HAS ANYBODY BEEN OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THAT? DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD THAT COURTROOM AND, UH, YOUR OFFICE AND HOW'S OFFICE WITH MR. PORTER AND TRUSTEES FOR LESS THAN $50,000? THAT'S, I I'M THINKING IF WE DID A MINIMUM AMOUNT AND JUST TOOK OUT MY WALL OR THEY HAD MY WALL, I TALKED TO MR. OFFICE, I TALKED TO MR. PORTER ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, HE THINKS, HE THINKS THAT WE COULD DO THAT ONE COURTROOM FOR LESS THAN 50,000. THAT HE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THAT UPSTAIRS COURTROOM AND ACCEPT IT AS IT IS SWITCH BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, THE COURT OUT THE SOUTH CAMPUS. AND YEAH, THAT GOES, I THINK THAT'S THE LOGICAL THING TO DO. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE, JACK SAID IT IS JUST A BANDAID. I I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT 50,000 LIMIT, I, I ASSUME IF WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING NEXT YEAR ON THE UPSTAIRS, THAT WE WOULD STILL BE HUNG IN WITH THAT 50,000 THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT IN THERE ON THE BOTTOM. YES, SIR. YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE BUDGET YEARS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY. YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO GET LEGAL ADVICE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OKAY. YEAH, WE DO NEED SOME, SOME LEGAL HELP, BUT, WELL, THERE'S ONE THING TO SURE. IF YOU DISTURB THE CEILING ON THE FLOORING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ASBESTOS REMOVAL OR IF YOU TEAR OUT WALLS YEAH. OR YOU TEAR OUT WALLS, WHICH WE'RE GONNA DO. THAT'S IF YOU GOT THAT. SO YOU COULD MOVE THAT BOTTOM. YOU COULD TAKE OUT THESE TEMPORARY WALLS THAT WE PUT UP FOR YOUR OFFICE AND EVEN AL'S OFFICE, BUILD A, BUILD A BENCH THERE FOR THE JUDGE ON THAT END OF THE DEAL. AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEND A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, PUT SOME WAYNES COATING AROUND THE BOTTOM OF IT, MAKE IT LOOK KIND OF NICE. BUT THAT, THAT WOULD WORK. YOU'VE GOT THOSE OTHER OFFICES OVER THERE FOR YOUR COURT, UH, STAFF. UH, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. UH, SEEMS LIKE'S THERE. I THINK, UH, TOO, JUDGE CHI WAS KIND OF ON BOARD WITH THAT I THINK HAD, UH, UH, WE COULD CREATE, YOU KNOW, UH, ANOTHER COUNTY COURT LAW AND THEN HE COULD PULL UP THE OGL IF HE HAS TRIAL THAT REQUIRE THAT THE BIGGER COURTROOM. AND, UH, I THINK HE LIKE SOME, SOME OTHERS THAT SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS BUILDING AND NOT WHERE, GET THAT MONEY OUT. AGAIN, IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE WORTH SPENDING MONEY TO DO THE STUDY FAR AS THE ADA REQUIRE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU COULD GET INTO IS IF YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD GO IN THAT NEW COURTROOM, UH, I, I WONDER IF THAT WOULD INCREASE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER RESTROOM, UH, FOR MORE RESTROOMS DOWNSTAIRS THERE YOU MEAN OVER THERE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I THINK IT, IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO. WOULD CHARLIE KNOW THAT? WELL, HE, HE, ONCE AGAIN, HE WANTS TO HAVE A HIRE. SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, ADAS THEIR MAIN FUNCTION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT RETIRED FROM THE SYSTEM AND OR THE SYSTEM FAMILIAR WITH ALL. I THINK IT'D BE WORTH THE MONEY BECAUSE GET STARTED SOMETHING THEN, THEN, UH, HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND ADD RESTROOM HERE OR THERE OR, UH, SOMETHING THAT, WELL, WE HAD HOPED THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN NOW NOW WE'RE A MONTH AWAY FROM, UH, NEW COURT STARTING UP AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE REMODELING IN THE BASEMENT AND WE BUILT JUDGE TY'S OFFICE. WE, WE WENT, WE GOT INTO IT AND THEN WE HAD TO DO SOME, UH, ASBESTOS ABATEMENT WORK. WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING AROUND THE, THE LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, UM, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE GO INTO IT WITHOUT HAVING ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, IT'S LIKE PULLING UP, PULLING A THREAD ON A SWEATER. IT'S JUST GONNA START UNRAVELING ON US. UH, AND YEAH, MR. PORTER DOES A GREAT JOB, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD COST OVERRUNS WITH EVEN WITH HIM DOING THINGS IN THE PAST. AND ONCE WE GET STARTED, IF, IF WE'VE GOTTA DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EASILY BREAK THAT $50,000 AND THEN YOU GOTTA TURN AROUND AND DO A DA COMPLIANCE, WHEN I THINK IT'S SMARTER, JUST GO AHEAD AND IF JUDGE TY'S AGREEING TO GO AHEAD AND SET UP [00:40:01] COURT OUT AT, OUT AT THE OLD JAIL, THAT TAKES THE PRESSURE OFF A LITTLE BIT. UH, BUT LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND SEE WHERE WE STAND. UH, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH THE SPECIFIC ATE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH A DA COMPLIANCE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY. AND MY, MY BIG CONCERN IS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PER BUDGET HERE. I'M, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE REQUIREMENT IS PER BUDGET HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, THE WORK WE'VE ALREADY DONE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BASEMENT AND WITH JUDGE CHI'S OFFICE, AND THEN THE SECURITY AREA THAT WE'VE GOT PUT UP TEMPORARY ALL, ALL MAY COUNT TOWARD THE $50,000 LIMIT. AND WE MAY ALREADY BE STUCK WHERE IF WE DO ANY REMODELING, WE'LL BE UP AGAINST ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND 88 COMPLIANCE. BUT THE ARCHITECT ALSO SAID THAT DOING ALL THAT, THAT JOB COULDN'T BE FINISHED UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. THAT WOULD BE THE EARLIEST YOU COULD MOVE SOMEBODY IN. BUT UH, BACK TO THIS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE JUST HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE ADA A AND AND THAT OR HIRE SOMEBODY ON OUR OWN TO COME DO THAT? OR, UH, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT. I MEAN, HAVE HIM DO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT IT TAKES, GIVE SOME ANSWERS ON ADA, A COMPLIANCE AND ALL ASBE, WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD CARD 1,000,008 IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE SAID. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE AUTHORIZED THAT $2 MILLION, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DO. I MEAN, I I I'M REAL CONFUSED HERE A LITTLE BIT. THREE MONTHS AGO, YOU AND KEN DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND A DIME ON ANYTHING. YOU WANTED TO START OVER AND CUT OUT EVERYTHING AND DO NOTHING. AND NOW YOU WANT TO SPEND 1,000,008 ON THIS JOB THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE. I I I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE, THE THINKING HERE, UH, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA TAKE UNTIL SEPTEMBER TO DO IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? OKAY, WELL, WELL WHAT HAPPENS? LET'S, LET'S FOLLOW THIS SCENARIO, OKAY? LET'S SAY MR. PORTER SAYS THAT HE CAN DO IT FOR $48,000. OKAY, LET'S JUST PULL A NUMBER OUT THERE, OKAY? AND THEN HERE WE GO. WAIT A SECOND. IF YOU'RE GONNA COUNT WALLS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND IT'S GONNA, AND I DON'T MIND, IT'S GONNA COST ANOTHER OUT ABOUT THAT COST ANOTHER 50,000 FOR ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S, EVEN IF IT'S 5,000, WE'RE STILL OVER THE $5,050,000 LIMIT WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA GO NOT ONLY DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA DO A DA COMPLIANCE AS WELL. NOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER SOLUTION, UH, I AM, I'M, I'M ON ON TRYING TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT. 'CAUSE THE NUMBERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LITERALLY YOU COULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING FOR FOR SURE, FOR, FOR, FOR LESS MONEY THAN, THAN YOU CAN REMODEL FOR JACK, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT ASBESTOS ABATEMENT REPORT. CAN I GET A COPY OF THAT? AND I'LL LOOK AT THAT. UH, THE, THE TEMPORARY WALLS ARE NOT EVEN ASBESTOS INVOLVED IN TAKING OUT JACK'S WALL AND TAKING OUT HOUSE WALL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. AND YOU DON'T TAKE OUT ANY WALLS AND YOU DON'T TAKE OUT ANY CEILINGS. YOU'RE NOT GONNA RUN IN, INTO ASBESTOS. IT COULD BE ASBESTOS, ASBESTOS IN THERE, BUT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DISTURB IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IT. RIGHT. IF IT'S ON THE FLOOR AND YOU JUST COVER THE FLOOR UP, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. IT'S IN THE CEILING AND YOU DON'T MESS WITH IT. THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE LIGHTING. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE ELECTRICAL PLUGS, EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE GETTING IN BOTH OF THAT CEILING ON THOSE WALLS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT DISTURBING THE CEILINGS AND THE WALLS. YOU KNOW? UM, I GUESS IN MY MIND, THAT'S WORTH A, $1,000,800 GAMBLE TO SEE IF I CAN, UH, FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I, I HADN'T HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU THREE YOU EVER SAID THAT, UH, HE COULD DO THAT OTHER PART FOR 1,000,001 AND THEN DOWNSTAIRS WOULD BE ANOTHER 700,000, $700,000 TO SPEND DOWN THERE IN PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH I MEAN, ALL YOU GONNA HAVE TO DO IS PUT A FEW WALLS IN. I I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT ONE IN. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS MOVE IN A DEATH. THESE PRICES JUST SEEM OUTRAGEOUS TO WELL, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WHAT SAYING, SAYING THAT, UH, UH, IF WE JUST, UH, DID A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN THE, IN THE EXISTING COURTROOMS YEAH. AND DIDN'T ADD A LOT, DIDN'T ADD A LOT OF OFFICES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE DID ONE AREA, HOW AREA [00:45:01] ONE POINT, IF YOU HAD TO, IF WE HAD TO CREATE, YOU HAD TO CREATE, UH, ADDITIONAL SPACE, OFF SPACE TO SUPPORT THE COURTS, DO DOWNSTAIRS HAVE TO HAVE RESTROOMS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ADDITIONAL CORDS, THAT TYPE OF THING. WELL, CAN WE HIRE DIRECT, CAN WE DIRECTLY HIRE SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THIS? I MEAN, ANOTHER ARCHITECT OR I, I, WE'LL GET WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT'S JUST, UH, EATEN UP WHATEVER BUDGET WE HAVE ON THIS THING. BUT CAN WE JUST HIRE SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND SAY, OKAY, UH, A DA COST THAT'S GOING TO, UH, ADHERE, I MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO ACCRUE FROM DOING ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS MUCH. UH, IS THAT WELL, WITH, WITH WITH ARCHITECTS, ALL YOU CAN DO IS, UH, YOU CAN'T JUST BID 'EM OUT. YOU SELECT AN ARCHITECT. OKAY, I GOT AND YOU NEGOTIATE. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, ON HIS PROPOSAL, IT WAS KIND OF TWO PARTIES. ONE PARTY IS UH, NOT TO EXCEED DOLLAR AMOUNT TO DO THE SURVEY STUDY, A DA AND THE OTHER PART IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT. EITHER WAY, IF WE DO THE WHOLE PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS SURVEY AND DO THE ADA A, UH, WORK ANYWAY, NOT BE A GOOD AND DO SURVEY ANYWAY. WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE DO THE WHOLE THING OR NOT. YOU'VE GOTTA DO THAT BASICALLY. OKAY. WE DO THAT THROUGH THIS ARCHITECT THAT WE HAVE. YOU WOULD BRING, DOES THAT, DOES THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT KEPT TOWARD OUR 50,000 TO DO STUDY DON'T 50,000, WE DECIDED THAT CONTENTS DIDN'T, DIDN'T GO TO THAT. AND I THINK HE SAID OUR COMMERCIAL FEES DIDN'T COST. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT GOES TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT STUDY ANYWAY. WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN OUR RESTROOM. SO, WELL, THE, UH, THE DOWNSTAIRS, I DON'T GET AT ALL RIGHT NOW. THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS OFFICES IN THE HALLWAYS. THAT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISTRICT CLERK HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS, UM, UH, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHERE THEY GOT , YOU KNOW, Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. . AND WHY ON EARTH CAN THEY JUST OCCUPY THE SPACE THE WAY IT SIT RIGHT NOW ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS PUT DESKS. OH, SURE, YEAH. IN THE OFFICES, THERE'S, THERE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR A 700,000. WELL, I DON'T EITHER. UH, REDO THE DOWNSTAIRS, JUST USE IT THE WAY IT IS AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH JUST TELLING MR. PORTER TO GO OVER THERE AND START DOING IT? HE SAYS HE COULD HAVE THAT DONE IN THREE MONTHS AND THEN JUST LET HIM GET STARTED ON THAT. AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING OUTTA LINE OR IF THERE ISN'T INVESTMENT, CAN WE NOT ADAPT TO IT AT THAT TIME? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CHARLIE ON BOARD OR THE ARCHITECT ON BOARD. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO CHARLIE AND TELL CHARLIE WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING. WHEN, WHEN WE BROUGHT CHARLIE ON BOARD, AND I, I DON'T MEAN, I KNOW CHARLIE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE FIRM, HEB OR WIG WIGGIN, JEFF SOMETHING, HEB, THE GROCERY STORE, . I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DID NOT GIVE CHARLIE A DIRECTION. WE DID NOT GIVE THE ARCHITECT AFFIRM A DIRECTION OTHER THAN THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE NEED TO DO. WE THINK WE NEED A COURTROOM DOWN HERE AND WE THINK WE NEED A COURTROOM UP THERE. OTHER THAN THAT, WE DIDN'T GIVE HIM ANY, ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION. I THINK IF WE WERE TO NARROW THE SCOPE AND SAY, ALRIGHT, UH, WE CAN DO, ALL WE WANT YOU TO DO IS JUST, WE WANT TO DO THIS DOWNSTAIRS. NOT GONNA TEAR IT ANY WALLS, NOT GONNA TEAR IT IN THE CEILING, NOT GONNA TEAR IT IN THE FLOOR. WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE THESE TEMPORARY WALLS DOWN, MAYBE PUT A LITTLE BLANK COAT ON THE SIDE AND BRING IN SOME BENCHES. NOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT IN THAT CHART? CHARLIE, WE, CAN YOU TELL US HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE REST OF THE COURTHOUSE? I MEAN, I MEAN WE DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER RESTROOMS BECAUSE THE INCREASED PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COURTHOUSE IS GOING INCREASE. I'M SURELY CHARLIE CAN TELL US THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM IN COURT. REFUSE COURT THAT, THAT IT'S NOT 700,000, JUST DO THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S INCLUDING MAYBE ADDING SOME OFFICES UPSTAIRS TO SUPPORT OF THE COURT ROOMS THAT, THAT ARE BUILT. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST DOWN. OKAY. AND OF COURSE I'M TRYING TO GET HIM TO GIVE ME A HARD NUMBER AND, AND IT'S REAL HARD TO DO. HE CAN, ALL HE CAN DO IS KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE'VE GOT AND BASED I THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS. WELL, YOU GOTTA [00:50:01] REMEMBER ALSO CHARLIE'S THINKING IN TERMS OF BUILDING A COURTROOM LIKE HE BUILT OVER IN HUNT COUNTY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE CAN BY A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THAT JUST BY PICKING UP TEMPORARY WALLS, PUTTING UP A BENCH, WAYNE'S PULLING THE SIDES A LITTLE BIT AND LOSING SOME DESK PERSON. I'D LIKE SOME, I'D LIKE, I'D TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA, WHICH I THINK WE CAN, THAT'S WHAT I KIND LIKE TO SEE DONE. BUT I KIND OF LIKE YOU, I THINK WE NEED SOME PROFESSIONAL, UH, GUIDANCE ON WHETHER IT COMES FROM CHARLIE OR JERRY SAID, WHERE IT COMES FROM AN OUTSIDE FIRM ELSE, I THINK, I THINK YOU KIND OF NEED THAT GUY. SO JUDGE, I KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM WHEN I WENT IN THERE AND MET WITH JACK AND THE ARCHITECT AND WE'RE SITTING THERE AND I SAID, UH, WELL CHARLIE, IN YOUR MIND, UH, IF WE USE MR. PORTER AND TRUSTEES, CAN WE DO THIS FOR $50,000? AND HE SAID, WELL, WE'RE THINKING 1,000,008 . UH, OKAY, THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK. BUT I, I'M NOT AVERSE TO HAVING SOMEBODY COME OUT AND STUDY THIS THING AND SEE, UH, WHAT IT IS GONNA COST IF WE GET INTO THE THING AND WE HAVE TO DO IT, IT MAY BE THAT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT THAT BAD ON A LINE. IF WE, IF WE GO OVER THE 50,000, WE HAVE TO DO THAT AND THAT'S ANOTHER 50. IF WE DO THIS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT'S STILL A LOT BETTER THAN 1,000,008 AND YOU GOT OVER THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND LOOKING INTO THAT NOW I THINK PART OF THAT'S WHAT KEN WAS SAYING, RIGHT? AND SO KEN'S LINE, SOMETHING BASIC IS THAT, UH, UNTIL WE DO HAVE A FACILITY IN JACK, ARE GONNA BE MOVED OUT, UH, THE COURT ROOM AT THE OLD JAIL OR SOUTH CAMPUS, I'M SORRY, SOUTH CAMPUS, SOUTH CAMPUS TOWN. YES SIR. THE ACCORDING OF THE SOUTH CAMPUS, UH, WILL ALTERNATELY BE USED WITH, WITH JUDGE CHITTY AND JUDGE LEWIS. AND IF JUDGE CHITTY HAS A JURY TRIAL, THEN HE'S READY AND WILLING TO GO OUT TO THE, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS AND HAVE HIS JURY TRIAL. UH, IN THE MEANTIME HE CAN, CAN CONTINUE TO CONDUCT COURT WHERE HE IS WITH JUDGE LEWIS CONDUCTING COURT IN A NEW COURTROOM. OR THEY MIGHT REVERSE EACH OTHER. IF JUDGE CHITTY, UH, AND JUDGE, UH, LEWIS GETS TOGETHER, I MEAN THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE SWAPPING OUT THE COURT AT SOUTH CAMPUS IS MY, I HEARD THEM TALKING THE OTHER DAY AND JUDGE S**T SAID IN HIS MIND, WHY DIDN'T JUDGE LEWIS JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE AND SET UP OUT THERE AND JUDGE S****Y WILL STAY WHERE HE IS AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP THAT THEY NEED, THEY'LL A SWITCH BACK AND FORTH. RIGHT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, NOBODY LIKES THIS, BUT CPS AND AG CAN STILL MEET IT HERE IF THEY HAVE TO. IF THEY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ONE COURTROOM DOWN THERE IN YOUR OFFICE IN HOW'S OFFICE IS GONNA, IS GONNA CLEAR UP A LOT OF, A LOT OF COURT TIME. IF WE COULD JUST GET THAT ONE DONE, THAT'S NOT PERFECT. NOBODY LIKES THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. UM, WOULD IT BE WORTH A VISIT IN AUSTIN WITH THE FOLKS THAT REGULATE THIS STUFF AND LAY IT ALL OUT AND SAY, ARE YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE STAND? ARE WE GONNA GET IN TROUBLE? THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO THROUGH, WE GOT AN ARCHITECT ON BOARD LET'S, THROUGH THAT ARCHITECT BOARD. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A OF MONEY, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS 80 A THING BECAUSE ONCE THEY COME IN HERE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY GONNA LOOK AT THE THING, THEY FIND OUT HOW MUCH OF THIS UH, HISTORICAL PART, WHAT PART PLAY THEY'RE DEAL WITH, HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THE STATE. THERE'S A LOT OF TIME TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS, I TOOK MS. ABELS THROUGH OVER THERE LAST WEEK AND SHOWED HER WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO RUN DOWNSTAIRS IN YOUR OFFICE AND SHE DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THAT AS LONG AS THAT, I THINK THAT RESTROOM OUT IN THE HALLWAY OR SOMETHING HAS TO DO WITH THAT, THAT HAS TO FALL UNDER, UNDER THE HISTORICAL EXHIBITION. BUT WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE TWO OFFICES, SHE DIDN'T SEE ANY, ANY IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS THERE. SO JACK, WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY RECOMMENDING IS THAT'S YOU, YOU WANT AUTHORIZATION TO GO AHEAD AND AND SPEND 25,000 TO HAVE THE STATE DONE TO SEE WHAT, HOW AADA IS GONNA AFFECT US. EVEN IF WE JUST DO THAT ONE ROOM DOWNSTAIRS. I THINK IT'D BE A WISE YEAH, I DON'T MONEY WELL STRETCH TO FIND OUT BEFORE WE GO DO ANYTHING. WE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY NO, EVENTUALLY OUR FIGURE, OUR STUDY SHOWS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT ROOM WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, AND IMPACT HAVING HAD [00:55:01] RESTROOM, WHATEVER. BUT THEN WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE BUILDING WOULD COST IF WE HAD TO DO THAT FOR OF COURSE 1.1 TO 1.8. THAT'S JUST, HE'S SAYING THE BARE MINIMUM IS 1.1 UP TO 1.8. AND THE OTHER THING WE'VE GOTTA ASK HIM IS IF WE SPEND THIS $25,000 WITH YOU AND ALL YOUR FEES, DOES THAT COUNT AGAINST THE $50,000 CAP TO DO WITH ASBESTOS PAYMENT COMPLIANCE? DIDN'T THINK DID, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY I WE NEED YOU GET LEGAL, BUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE PAST IS IT'S NOT SO JUST 'CAUSE WE SAY SO , IT IS STILL SOMEBODY TELLS US THAT, UH, I'M CERTAIN I SEPARATE BECAUSE WE MAY, WE MAY DO THE STUDY AND NOT DO ANYTHING. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S SEPARATE ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STUDY ANYWAY. NO, I THINK THE STUDY AND WHATEVER LEGAL ADVICE WE CAN GET IN IS A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T, AND IT MAY, LIKE I SAID, IT MAY BE THAT YOU COULD DO ALL OF THE AADA A STUFF IN THERE FOR 50 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEN IF YOU COULD DO THAT ROOM FOR 50, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 150. YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT LISTS OF $200,000 TO DO THAT AND THE A DA STUFF I, AND I'M JUST PULLING THESE FIGURE OUTTA THE AIR, BUT UH, IT'S A LOT LESS THAN 1,000,001 OR 1,000,008 OR, AND MAYBE I'M JUST BEING NAIVE THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN DO THIS FOR THAT AMOUNT. WAS THERE A, YOU REMEMBER I GUESS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN THE BASEMENT FLOODED, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A ASBESTOS TEST OR AN ASBESTOS RUN THEN WAS THERE AN ANSWER? WAS THERE SOME DATA IN THERE THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD YEAH. ASBESTOS THAT WAS DONE THEN. WAS THE ABATEMENT ONLY AB ONLY THAT, THAT IT WAS DISTURBED AT THAT TIME. WE DID NOT GO UNTIL THE REST OF THE COURT. OKAY. HOUSE. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY SEALED IT ALL UP WITH PLASTIC. THEY PUT MONITORS IN AND, BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE SECTION. HE STARTED GOING IN AND BA THIS WHOLE COURTHOUSE. JACK SAID WE'D BE CLOSED FOR WEEK THREE MONTHS. OH YEAH, YOU'RE CLOSED OUT. CLOSE THIS COURTHOUSE FOR THAT LONG. I THINK THAT'S A SMART MOVE. I TAKE MOTION THEN TO AUTHORIZED JACKSON NEGOTIATED WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECT FOR, UH, FIGURE NO MORE THAN 25,000 TO DO THIS STUDY THAT WE NEED. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU JACK THAT? YEAH. UH, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE HIM DO THE STUDY FAR AS, UH, MEETING WITH THE JUDGES TWO PART? DO DO THE SMALL THING. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MEET ME MEETING WITH THE JUDGES. THE JUDGES HAVE ALREADY SAID IT'S OKAY WITH THEM. THEY TOLD ME PERSONALLY, THEY'VE INDICATED THE JURY THAT, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS TO GO TO THE JUDGES AND SAY, JUDGES, LET'S SIT DOWN. UH, WHAT DO YOU NEED THIS PLACE FOR THIS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY AT THIS TIME. I I THINK PART OF THAT WAS JUST NEGOTIATING BETWEEN DA AND THE JUDGES AND THEN IF THEY EXTRA OFFICE AND THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE JUST DO THAT BOTTOM PART. RIGHT? UNLESS WE DID THIS UP HERE IN THE DA HERE. WELL, YEAH. OH MAN. YOU DON'T GIVE UP 800,000. OKAY. UH, NO. I, I I, I SECOND MAKE THAT MOTION THAT UH, WE, UH, AUTHORIZE JACK TO LOOK INTO THAT, SEE IF HE'LL, IF THE ARCHITECT WILL JUST THIS LEAST GIVE US A GAME PLAN. NOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, JERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY ISSUE AGO. WE TALKED ABOUT ALL KIND OF MONEY ISSUES, BUT NOW WE GOT THE GAME PLAN GOING START. SO I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD. I HAVE MOTION COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY JACK, UH, IF CHARLIE NEEDS SOME, A HAMMER ON HIS HEAD TO, TO LOOK AT MORE NARROW PICTURE, LEMME KNOW. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE LESS HE DOES, THE LESS HE GETS PAID. I'LL WORK WITH HIM. 65 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT. DO WE HAVE ANY LINE ITEM TRANSFERRED THIS MORNING? NO SIR, WE DON'T. GREAT. AH, GOOD. UH, REALLY WELL I BET WE DON'T HAVE ANY BILLS EITHER, DO WE? NO, WE GOT BILLS. OH, WE GOT SOME BILLS. ALRIGHT. [01:00:19] WE WENT ON GRAND NEW ORLEANS, THE DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORHOODS OUTSKIRTS. NO, WE DO WHATEVER THE AUDITOR TELLS US. THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS, [01:06:02] MAN. I BROUGHT HOME A TSHIRT, SAYS UH, I STAYED IN NEW ORLEANS T-SHIRT, A CADILLAC AND A YEAH, THIS THE CHURCH BUILT CHURCH. YEAH, CHURCH PUT, SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, DO THEY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEIR TAXES ARE GOING BE WHEN THEY SELL THAT THING AND GET $88,000? DON'T SPEND NO BASE. ALL THE OTHER SHIRT WE SAW IT SAID NOPD DEPARTMENT. NOT OUR PROBLEM DUDE. NOW I WANNA SEE THE GUY THAT'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO WEAR THAT. YOU GO IN THOSE SHOPS AND OH YEAH, THIS IS, SHE NEVER DID SAY HOW OLD SHE WAS, BUT SHE MUST BE YOUNG BECAUSE SHE'S A CHILDREN. I MEAN, I MEAN THEY SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD A BILL THAT MEANS GOTTA REMODEL, PUT TOGETHER, THEY GOT A SOLUTION OF NOT REMODELING. WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS. Y'ALL ARE ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT TO FILL US OFF. WE OPPOSED TO MAKING MONEY AND I BET THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CASE. [01:10:05] DID YOU SAY, DID YOU SAY THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION HAS A CONCERN ON THE BATHROOM? ONLY THOSE BATHROOMS THAT OPEN UP ONTO THAT BIG HALL. IF YOU DO ANYTHING TO THOSE BATHROOMS, YOU'VE GOTTA MEET. THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IF, IF THE BATHROOM IS JUST IN THE, IF IT'S INSIDE OVER THERE, IS THERE A BATHROOM IN THERE? OKAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ADD ONE IN THERE, BUT I DON'T IF YOU HAD TO ADD, WELL YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ADD ONE BECAUSE THERE MAY NOT BE ANY WATER. BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE MORE PEOPLE OUT. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH BATHROOMS UNLESS THEY OPEN UP. I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THAT DOWN. WELL, HAVE YOU SEEN THE OH YEAH, BUT SOMEBODY CALLED ME AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT ONE, A HOUSE ON ONE AND THEY, THEY SO, OH NO, NO, NO, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A CHURCH INCORPORATED AREA COUNTY. THEY KNOW WHAT REGULATIONS. THEY SAID, WELL YOU HAVE SYSTEM. HE SAID, WELL THEY ALREADY HAS. HE SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. WELL HAVE ONE WITH THE HOUSE. IT'S ON THE PROPERTY. I SAID, SO YOU'RE GONNA HOUSE 200 PEOPLE IN CHURCH, FOUR TO THAT, TO THAT HOUSE. AND SAID, YEAH. I SAID, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE SERVING PASTOR? I SAID, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SERMON'S OVER AND GOT 50 OF THOSE 200 PEOPLE FLUSHING THE COMMOD AT THE SAME TIME? . THAT'S WHY YOU MAY HAVE TO REDO YOUR DEAL. THEY SAID, UH, WHEN THEY WITNESSED HIS PIANO HAD FLIPPED OVER WAS UPSIDE. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. BUSINESS SHOTGUN AND CAME, YOU KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SHOTGUN AND THEY WOULD TAX YOU ON HOW MANY, SO THEY WOULD BUILD TWO STORY ON THE BACK AND THERE'S ONE STORY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SHOTGUN HOUSES. THERE'S NOTHING THEY DID THAT SAME THING AT CHARLESTON. THEY, HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH WHO ACTUALLY OWN, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE FIVE GENERATIONS THAT WENT IN THAT HOUSE AND THERE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ESTABLISH WHO ACTUALLY OWNS IT IF YOU REBUILT? AND THEN WHO'S GONNA ENSURE ONCE, ONCE YOU REBUILT. [01:15:07] THAT'S WHERE MOST BARGE CAME THROUGH THE, THOSE HOUSES. I MEAN THE FOUNDATIONS AND EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH DOWN SLAB FOUNDATION OF ARE JUST ON. THEY JUST, THEY DON'T BUILD IT ON. YEAH, THEY GOT A DIG DOWN. THANK YOU MARILYN. AND COURSE MAKE A MOTION TO SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALL IN. UH, HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD TURKEY DAY AND, UH, PLEASE DON'T. WE'LL SEE YOU HERE NEXT MONDAY. NOW YOU'RE NOW LIKE AN ARCHITECT. THE REASON I WENT AHEAD AND SCHEDULED THIS WITH THE TODAY WORKSHOP, WE DIDN'T NEED TO WAIT FOR A WORKSHOP DECISION, BUT, UH, OKAY, I'LL TELL ANGIE TO TIME. IT'LL BE ABOUT ANOTHER THREE WEEKS. WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS I GOT A, ON THE OTHER LINE, MY ASSISTANT MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. BY COMMISSIONER. WE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.