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UH, COMMISSIONER ROBIN, WOULD YOU OPEN US UP TODAY, PLEASE? THAT'S FRANK.
MS. GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK THE, FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF GATHERING TOGETHER LIKE THIS TO DO BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY.
WE APPRECIATE THE WONDERFUL DAY THAT YOU HAVE SENT US TODAY AND GIVE BLESSINGS AND THANKS TO YOU FOR ALL THE OTHER BLESSINGS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, LOOK, WITH FAVOR UPON US AS WE DELIBERATE THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY, LOOK WITH FAVOR UPON OUR TROOPS, AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES AS HARM'S WAY.
ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS' NAME.
I TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE, A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR.
Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DULLER.
UH, WE'RE GONNA SKIP DOWN TO, UH, NUMBER SEVEN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS.
CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE 2006 RACIAL PROFILING REPORT FOR THE COFFEE COUNTY CONSTABLE'S OFFICE.
PRECINCT ONE CONSTABLE, CAN I ASK IT, JUDGE? YEAH, YOU CAN ASK IT.
IT'S YOUR PRECINCT CONSTABLE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS? NO, SIR.
REGARDING RACIAL PROFILE? REGARDING RACIAL? NO.
UH, I THINK EACH ONE OF Y'ALL HAVE ONE OF THESE.
IT KIND OF, WE NEED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY.
IT'S, IT SHOWS, UH, EACH NATIONALITY TICKETS THAT WERE WRITTEN.
FEMALE, MALE, UH, LOOKS FOR HAZARDOUS TRAFFIC STOPS, WHICH WERE NON-HAZARDOUS TRAFFIC STOPS.
IT DIDN'T SHOW THE ONES WHERE STOPPED 'EM AND GAVE 'EM A VERBAL WARNING OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST, JUST ONCE CITATIONS.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE CITATIONS MAY HAVE TWO, THREE DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS ON THEM.
SO HOW'S YOUR DEPUTY WORKING OUT? WONDERFUL.
JUST GLAD Y'ALL LET ME HAVE ONE.
IS IS HIS FRESH PROFILING, HE HAS HIS OWN, DOESN'T HE? NO, IT'S INCLUDED.
IT INCLUDED IN THIS RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL PUT ALL OUR TICKETS ON THE COMPUTER.
SO THIS IS THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT AS FAR THE PRECINCT ONE? YES, YOUR HONOR.
JURY, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.
JURY MAKES THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT COURT.
AND SECOND IT BACK MR. DULLER.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIES.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, UH, RICHARD MURPHY DISCUSS AND SIT AROUND THE BOARD RANCH DRAWER TO CONTRACT FOR SCHOOLS, CITIES, AND OTHER ENTITIES TO CONDUCT THEIR ELECTIONS.
THE UH, ALL OF LAWS FOR SEVERAL YEARS REQUIRE FOR FEDERAL ELECTIONS AND COUNTY ELECTIONS REQUIRE THE USE OF A MACHINE TO ENABLE THE HANDICAP TO BE ABLE TO VOTE BY THEMSELVES.
THE STATE CAME ALONG AND MANDATED THE SAME FOR SCHOOL, DISTRICT AND CITIES AND TOLD THE ENTITIES THEY COULD GET THE EQUIPMENT FROM THE COUNTIES.
YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO HAVE THE BOND ELECTION FOR THE COUNTY
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AND TO SERVICE ALL THE CITIES AND SCHOOLS.THE COUNTY'S NOT HAVING A BOND ELECTION AND THE CITIES AND OR NUMBER OF CITIES AND SCHOOLS HAVE ASKED THE CONTRACT TO HAVE A RUN THEIR ELECTION.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN THAT WAY FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UH, WE WILL HAVE, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'LL HAVE EIGHT TOTAL POLLING PLACES THAT COVER SOME COMBINED SCHOOLS AND CITIES, SOME JUST CITIES.
BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING EIGHT TOTAL PLACES AND WE WILL RUN EACH OF THOSE ALL THE WAY THROUGH EARLY VOTING.
AND THE SAME THING ON ELECTION DAY.
NOW THE CITY OF CARROLL IS DOING THE ELECTION FOR THE TERRELL SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO ALL OF THIS WAS REALLY GOING REAL GOOD UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
THE STATE LET US KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A STATEWIDE ELECTION FOR A BOND, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
SO MY PLAN ON THAT IS TO CARRY ON WITH THESE SAME EIGHT OR NINE OR 10 POLLING PLACES TO CONSOLIDATE THE STATE WITH EACH CITY AND COUNTY, UH, EACH CITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
WHAT WE DO ABOUT LL I THINK I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL.
IF NOT, WE WILL HAVE A SEPARATE POLLING PLACE OR ONE OR MORE, UH, IN THE TERRELL AREA.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU APPROVE IS TO GIVE ME THE AUTHORITY TO CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND CITIES TO PERFORM THIS SERVICE.
ONE ADVANTAGE, UH, UH, IS THAT SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE MANDATED TO HAVE THAT CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION IN MAY, THAT'S AN EXTRA ELECTION THIS YEAR.
THAT'S NOT PLEDGE IT FAR AND THAT WE DON'T, DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, UH, THIS WAY.
UH, WE'LL BE SHARING THOSE EXPENSES, UH, WITH UH, WELL, DID WE NOT ALREADY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY BEFORE? HAD WE NOT ALREADY DONE IT? WE GAVE THAT AUTHORITY FOR THE LAST ELECTION GO ROUND.
I THINK HE'S ASKING AUTHORITY NOW FOR THIS.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR FOR HIS, FOR I GUESS WE PROBABLY COULD DO A BLANKET ORDER.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO DO IT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE SOMETHING MAY ARISE.
THAT MAY WON'T MR. MURPHY TO PACK OUT AT IT AT SOME POINT, BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN YEAR BY YEAR.
I HAD, I HAD DISCUSSED JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I JUST HAVE A CONCERN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THIS AND YOU TELL ME YOU DO.
LAST TIME I ASKED YOU IF YOU HAVE THE STAFF.
MY PEOPLE ENDED UP THREE DAYS DELIVERING EQUIPMENT ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
UH, SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU GOT THE STAFF TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK? THIS STAFF, WE WON'T BE DELIVERING ALL OVER THE CAMPUS, SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
DO YOU HAVE A STAFFED PROGRAM EQUIPMENT? WELL, GEORGE.
WHERE'S GEORGE? GEORGE WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL
WHAT WE'RE DOING DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR IS, UM, IN THE PAST WE HAD TO WORK WITH EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT AND CITY TO HAVE A PLACE TO CONDUCT THE ELECTION THAT WOULD TIE BACK TO OUR NETWORK.
SO WE ALWAYS HAD THE ISSUE OF WHERE, WHAT ROOM AND SO ON.
WHAT WE'RE DOING DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE FOLKS WORKING THE ELECTION THE SAME WAY THE DEPUTIES, UH, OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE NETWORK WITH A SECURE VPN CONNECTION WITH A LAPTOP.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LAPTOP WITH A WIRELESS CARD.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND AND UH, WE'LL HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND WE CAN'T USE THIS ROOM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS SWITCH TO ANOTHER ROOM.
UH, ONE THING THOUGH THAT I NEED TO ASK, I SUPPOSE IN THE PAST YOU'VE ALWAYS APPOINTED A TABULATION SUPERVISOR AND AN ASSISTANT.
THE WEEK OF THIS ELECTION I'LL BE IN ORLANDO TO A COMPUTER FORENSIC TRAINING THAT I, THAT I HAVE TO ATTEND.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS APPLIES IF THE CITY AND THE ISD ELECTIONS, IF WE HAVE TO GO THAT SAME ROUTE OR DOES THAT, DOES THAT ONLY APPLY TO THE, OUR COUNTY ELECTIONS? AND IF SO, WE MAY NEED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK OR AT SOME POINT TO HAVE A NEW TABULATION SUPERVISOR FOR THAT PERIOD.
IT MAY JUST BE LORI, BUT I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE.
BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IT ON.
WE'VE COMMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, TO HIS OFFICE THAT WE WILL DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT HIS EFFORTS.
AND IT'S REALLY A TWOFOLD THING.
WE HAVE, WE PROVIDE THE MANPOWER TO DO ALL THE PHYSICAL STUFF
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TO CONFIGURE WHILE WE DON'T PROGRAM AND DECIDE WHAT THE ELECTION IS, BUT WE ACTUALLY CONFIGURE AND PROGRAM THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES OUT.SO THERE'S A LOT OF HANDS ON STUFF THAT WE DO.
BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COMMITTED TO DO ALL WE CAN DO TO HELP HIM ON THE NETWORK SIDE AND ALSO ON THE PHYSICAL SIDE, ACTUALLY HANDLING ALL THE EQUIPMENT.
WE JUST NEED TO WORK OUT THAT ONE ISSUE.
AS FAR AS TABULATION, IS THAT REQUIREMENT THE SAME FOR THIS ELECTION? IS IT ALWAYS IS FOR OUR COUNTY ELECTIONS? PROBABLY IS.
HE SAYS YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE.
WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO AUTHORIZE THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR TO CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND CITIES AND ANY OTHER ENTITIES THAT NEED TO HAVE THEIR ELECTIONS FOR THIS.
UH, ACTUALLY LET'S JUST MAKE IT FOR THE YEAR 2007 IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP IN IT.
WILL, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE THAT A MOTION? COMMISSIONER ROUND MAKES THE MOTION.
NEXT WE HAVE JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN.
YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE? I THINK SO.
DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT THE, UH, TAX COLLECTOR REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY? YES, SIR.
WE FINALLY CAUGHT UP, UH, THROUGH THE MONTH OF JANUARY.
WE'VE COLLECTED OF THE CURRENT ROLE ALMOST 19 AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS 77% OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE.
WE'VE COLLECTED TWO POINT, ALMOST 2.7 MILLION, WHICH IS 78%.
AND I BECAME A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN I TRIED TO RESEARCH THAT'S 77% AS COMPARED WITH MORE RECENT YEARS.
SO WE RAN A ANOTHER REPORT AS OF, UH, FEBRUARY, THE END OF FEBRUARY AND AT THAT POINT IT IS UP TO 88% OR A LITTLE OVER PUT ME AT EASE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE WE'VE DETERMINED, UH, AT LEAST IN OUR NEW SYSTEM, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OLD SYSTEM, BUT IN OUR NEW SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH IT'S POSTMARKED JANUARY AND WE POSTED EFFECTIVE JANUARY, THE COMPUTER RECORDED PROCEEDING OF FEBRUARY UNLESS IF WE ACTUALLY DID THE WORK IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
SO THAT, I BELIEVE, WOULD EXPLAIN WHY.
UH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WAIT TILL THE LAST DAY TO PAY AND UH, THAT OR, OR TO MAIL IT IN.
AND THAT GETS POSTED THE NEXT DAY.
AND ALSO WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAD ONE LARGE MORTGAGE, UH, PAYMENT, UH, THAT DRASTICALLY AFFECTED PRECINCT FOUR OR THE KEMP SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, THAT RECEIVED IN JANUARY.
BUT WE SHOWED THIS IN FEBRUARY.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF CUTOFF TIME.
THEN YOUR FEBRUARY REPORT WILL REFLECT THIS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S UP TO, UH, 88%, WHICH IS EQUAL TO HISTORY.
SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT AGAIN.
ACCEPT THAT COURT MOTION MADE BY MR. SECOND.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILMAN, OUR COUNTY TREASURER IS GONNA PRESENT THE, UH, MONTHLY REPORT FOR JANUARY.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LIKE $2 MILLION DOWN IN JANUARY.
ACTUAL CASH IN HAND, BUT THAT SAME MONEY WE TALKED ABOUT BEING FLUSH IN FEBRUARY.
SO I THINK THAT MAKES US FEEL BETTER.
SO IF YOU QUESTION, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER REGARDING THIS REPORT.
THIS MAY NOT BE A ON YOUR COLLECTIONS.
CAN WE, CAN WE GET A LITTLE SYNOPSIS THERE FOR I FIRST, FIRST FULL
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MONTHLY REVISIT THOUSAND DOLLARS COUNTY COURT LAW.I, I FIGURE, I FIGURE I THINK IT'D BETTER IF WE GET FOUR.
BECAUSE MONTHLY THEY'LL BE SPENDING MORE TIME MAKING REPORTS THAN IT WOULD WELL I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO REPORT ANYWAY NOW FOR THE, UH, COURT DISTRICT.
AND IT'S, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT YOU DID IT FRIDAY AND I I IS THAT GONNA BE MONTHLY OR IS THAT REPORTED? I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THEY REPORT MONTHLY AND SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU GONNA DO IT FOR THE STATES MIGHT AS WELL AHEAD BRING IT TO US TOO.
SPENDING MORE TIME DOING REPORTS THAN WHAT ACTUALLY DOING I THE SOFTWARE PUSH BUTTON TYPE TALK DOVETAIL COURSE.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COMPUTER PEOPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY NO PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS GEORGE HAD TO FIX IT FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT FIXED FOR SYSTEM FOR HIS HOURS.
I CALL GEORGE PROPHECY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN WE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO ACCEPT JOHN BEFORE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DEN? SECOND.
UH, JACK, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TIME TO DO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER OPENING AND AWARDING THE BID.
0 7 0 8 FOR THE ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY JAIL INMATES.
WE DO HAVE ONE BID, SIR, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE JACK TO OPEN THAT BID.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE THAT BEAT YOU.
WE DID, UH, WE MAILED OUT THREE BIDS AND FIVE NOTICE BIDDERS ON THIS BID.
I THINK THERE'S QUITE A LITTLE LESS PARTICIPATION THIS TIME DUE TO THE RECENT SUPPLY OF LOCAL PHARMACIES.
TOOK THE BID IS FROM KEMP FAMILY PHARMACY.
DID YOU SAY KEMP FAMILY PHARMACY? YES, SIR.
THAT'S THE SAME ONE THAT HAVE IN NOW.
THEY ACTUALLY, THEY ACTUALLY, IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT, UH, THEY OWN THREE OR FOUR PHARMACIES AND HAD ONE DOWN THE STREET THAT THEY CLOSED.
AND THE WAY THIS BID IS, THEY ARE BIDDING AT A, UH, WHOLESALE PRICE, PLUS OR MINUS UH, UH, DISCOUNT.
AND FOR A BRAND MEDICATION, IT'S WHOLESALE PRICE LESS 17% PLUS $2 PER PRESCRIPTION.
UH, FOR GENERIC IT IS, UH, WHOLESALE PRICE LESS.
IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR? YES SIR.
AND, UH, I SPOKE TO CHIEF STONE AND OKAY.
SHE'S VERY HAPPY WITH THESE FOLKS.
SINCE THAT'S THE ONLY BID, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE WE'RE GONNA TAKE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT, UH, ON EACH ONE OF THOSE BILLS THAT WE GET THAT NDC NUMBER ON THERE? UH, I THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, BUT, UH, VICKY WAS TELLING ME THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO DO AN AUDIT TRAIL OR TRACK THOSE THINGS IF WE DON'T HAVE AN NDC NUMBER ON THE BILL.
CAN THAT SEE IF THAT'S SURE IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
TALK TO VICKI ABOUT IT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT'LL DO.
UM, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE PRICING LOOKS SIMILAR TO, UH, CURRENT CONTRACT AND, AND, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST HADN'T.
SO I MAKE CARLA, YOU GOT ANY, ANY COMMENTS? NO, EVERYTHING, UM, THE SERVICE AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN BEEN WONDERFUL.
WE'VE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THE SERVICE OR ANYTHING.
I WASN'T AWARE OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE NUMBER ON THE BILLINGS.
I THINK WE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT BEFORE, SO IT WASN'T, UH, IT'S SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
THEY VERY RECEPTIVE OF ANYTHING WE'VE ASKED OF THEM, SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANYTHING Y'ALL DIDN'T DO OR THEY DIDN'T DO.
I WASN'T AWARE THEY NEEDED THAT, BUT WE COULD GET THAT CORRECTED.
ALRIGHT, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AWARD THAT BID TO, UH, KIM PHARMACY.
KEMP FAMILY PHARMACY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER FELLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWING IN DISCUSSION.
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ON THE WALL.MY WIFE SAYS WE GOT SIX MINUTES.
CAN DO THESE? SOMEBODY CAN DO THESE DALLAS.
WE YEAH, WE DID, DIDN'T WE? YEAH.
WELL LET'S DO THE PHONE LINES.
WANTS TO CARRY A CABLE, UH, ON COUNTY ROAD 40 76.
BRUCE, I MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
NOW THEY WANT TO FERRY ONE ON FAR ROAD, CALKIN COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER ONE.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROB.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
NOW WE'VE GOT TWO, UH, DALLAS CROWN SLAUGHTER REPORTS.
SO THE FIRST ONE FOR THE ENDING FEBRUARY THE NINTH AND SEVENTH FOR THE WEEK ENDING.
WE'LL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME.
JURY JUDGE, I, I MOVE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THOSE REPORTS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
NOW WE HAVE ONE FOR THE WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY 16TH.
I MOVE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THAT REPORT.
SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK IYE.
WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH US FROM HENDERSON COUNTY.
I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO STAND UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, PLEASE.
HALL PRECINCT JUAN HENDERSON COUNTY, WADE MCKINNEY, HENDERSON COUNTY PRECINCT TAPE.
UH, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER ROUND HAS THAT, UH, HORSE SLAUGHTERING PLAN IN HIS PRECINCT AND THEY'RE BY LAW REQUIRED TO GIVE US A WEEKLY REPORT.
AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN OPERATION, BUT, UH, SO FAR THEY'RE STILL IN OPERATION.
THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS HAVE DROPPED DRAMATICALLY.
THEY HAVE CLASS TWO, SO THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY BE PHASING.
WE ALSO HAVE WITH US THIS MORNING OUR ATTORNEY FROM, UH, STAFF HEATH POLLEN, AND I FORGOT ALL THOSE OTHER NAMES.
CHUCK KIMBRO'S WITH US THIS MORNING AND HE'S GOING TO BE WITH US FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COUNTY ROADMAPS.
UH, CHUCK, IF YOU'D COME UP AND, UH, KIND OF EXPLAIN, I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THEY'RE HERE.
SO IF HE CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN THE HISTORY AS TO WHY THE COUNTY HAS TO DO THIS AND, UH, UH, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST OF, UH, POSSIBLY TWO OR THREE HEARINGS ON THIS MATTER AND YOU KIND OF GIVE US A HISTORY.
AND THEN AFTER YOU DO THAT, THEN WE'LL MOVE FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IN 2003, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED HOUSE BILL 1117.
IT WAS LATER PUT INTO THE LAW CODIFIED AS CHAPTER 2 58 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE STATUTE WAS TO ALLOW ALL COUNTIES, BUT PARTICULARLY COUNTIES WITH 50,000 OR LESS IN POPULATION TO CLARIFY THE INTEREST THAT THE PUBLIC HAS IN THEIR COUNTY ROADS, THE EXISTING COUNTY ROADS.
UM, HISTORICALLY IN TEXAS, A COUNTY CAN ACQUIRE ROAD SURFACE OR THE FEE TITLE TO THE ROAD, THE ROAD BED BY A DEDICATED INSTRUMENT FILED IN THE COURTHOUSE AND IN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS, OR A, AN EASEMENT DEED, UH, COURT JUDGMENT, WHETHER IT'S ADVERSE POSSESSION OR UH, UH, CONDEMNATION IMMINENT DOMAIN.
BUT HISTORICALLY, COUNTIES, UH, WOULD GO FOR YEARS WITH MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS, ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC FOR AS LONG AS EVERYBODY HAS BEEN ALIVE.
AND SOMEBODY WOULD COME UP AND ASK, WELL, IS THAT A A COUNTY ROAD OR NOT? AND OF COURSE THE ANSWER IS, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO DO EXPENSIVE TITLE EXAMINATION, UH, MAPPING ANALYSIS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT TO REALLY
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IDENTIFY WHERE, WHERE THE COUNTY'S INTEREST ORIGINATED AND HOW IT WAS MAINTAINED.SO, UM, IN 1981, THE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE THE ROAD LAWS OF DEBT AND DISALLOWED PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT, UH, ACQUISITION PER COUNTY, LESS THAN 50,000 JUST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAD BEEN GOING ACROSS THE ROAD AND THE COUNTY HAD BEEN MAINTAINING IT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS FOR A COUNTY, UH, LARGER THAN 50,000 AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST, 1981, THE SMALLER COUNTIES LOST THAT ABILITY.
THE LARGER COUNTY STILL HAVE IT TODAY.
SO THE LEGISLATURE DETERMINED THAT WAS NOT FAIR, THAT WAS INEQUITABLE, AND THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY, UH, IN THE COUNTY OF THE COUNTY TO COUNTY, FROM REGION TO REGION ABOUT, UH, WHO OWNS THE ROAD OR WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO GO ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND SO IN 2003, UH, CHAPTER 2 58, A TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE WAS INACTIVE.
AND IT GIVES ALL COUNTIES, BUT PARTICULARLY SMALLER COUNTIES THE ABILITY TO ENGAGE IN WHAT'S CALLED A COUNTY ROADMAP PROJECT, WHEREBY THE COUNTY WITH PRELIMINARY NOTICE AND NOTICE AFTER FINAL MAP ADOPTION PROPOSES TO THE PUBLIC A ROADMAP THAT CONTAINS ROADS ON IT, THAT THE COUNTY CLAIMS A PUBLIC INTEREST IN AND AT THE, THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO MAINTAIN WITH PUBLIC MONEY.
NOW, HISTORICALLY, GENERALLY ALL THESE ROADS, UH, ON THE KAUFFMAN COUNTY MAP ARE ONES THAT, UH, UH, HAVE BEEN ARGUABLY CONTINUOUSLY MAINTAINED SINCE BEFORE SEPTEMBER THE FIRST, 1981.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE WRITTEN PROTEST IN A MINUTE.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE SOME ORAL PROTESTORS OR PERSONAL APPEARANCE PROTESTORS TOO.
UM, BUT THIS PROJECT OR THIS PROCEDURE IN THE END IS DESIGNED FOR THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, ACCORDING TO THE LAW, WE DID THE PROJECT, WE GAVE ALL THE NOTICE, WE GAVE THE CITIES CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROTEST AND IF NECESSARY, GO FORWARD WITH THE JURY REVIEW PROTEST PROCEDURE.
UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER ALL THE PROTESTS WERE RESOLVED, THE MAP IS FINALLY ADOPTED.
NOTICE IS THEREAFTER GIVEN TO THE TAXPAYERS IN THE
AND THE LAW SAYS THAT, UM, FROM THAT POINT, THE MAP ON THE WALL IS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE OF TWO THINGS.
EVERY ROAD ON THAT FINAL APPROVED MAP, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO GO ACROSS IT, AND THE COUNTY HAS A RIGHT TO USE PUBLIC MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PUBLIC OWNS THE DIRT, IT JUST MEANS THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO GO ACROSS IT.
AND THE COUNTY HAS A RIGHT TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC MONEY.
SOME OF THE, UH, PHONE CALLS THAT I'VE RECEIVED, UH, UH, CITIZENS WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS WAS A LAND GRAB BY THE COUNTY.
I LIVE ON THE COUNTY ROAD AND MY DEED, UH, I OWNED TO THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY THE DEEDS DESCRIBED IT, UH, SENT TO THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE CITIZENS WERE AFRAID THAT, THAT THEY WERE GONNA LOSE THIS WITH THIS, UH, UH, ROADMAP, UH, PROJECT.
BUT THIS IS JUST DEFINING THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN IT AND THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO USE IT.
AND, UH, THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA OWN THE DIRT.
JUST, UH, IN SOME CASES THERE MAY BE THERE, THERE MAY, THERE MAY BE SOME DIRT OWNED BY KAUFMAN COUNTY FROM, BECAUSE WAY FROM LONG YEARS AGO IN THE DEAN RECORDS, BUT NOBODY HAS, IT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY FOR A PERSON OR A COUNTY TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF TITLE.
THE LEGISLATURE GOT TO THINKING ON THIS AND SAID THIS, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE PEOPLE A RIGHT TO BE PRESENT AND BE HEARD IN TERMS OF PROTESTS.
BUT BASIC, THE POINT IS THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING OUT THERE GRABBING SOMEBODY'S LAND.
NOBODY'S GONNA LOSE THEIR ROAD OVER THIS.
UH, THIS IS JUST TO DEFINE WHETHER IT'S A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD, WHETHER THE COUNTY HAS A RIGHT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT.
UH, AND THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO TRAVEL OVER.
NOBODY'S GONNA LOSE THEIR ROADS OVER THIS.
WELL, UNLESS IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
IT'S JUST TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD OR A PRIVATE ROAD.
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LOOKING AT? YES, SIR.ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE PUBLIC.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION BETWEEN A, A PUBLIC ROAD AND A PRIVATE ROAD? COUNTY ROAD IS A PUBLIC ROAD.
A PRIVATE ROAD IS A, IS A ROAD IN WHICH THE COUNTY DOES NOT OWN THE DIRT THROUGH A DEED, HAVE A RIGHT TO GO ACROSS IT THROUGH, THROUGH A, THROUGH A, AN INSTRUMENT OF CONVEYANCE.
LIKE AN EASEMENT DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATION LIKE IN A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THE ROADS ARE DEDICATED TO PUBLIC AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A COURT JUDGMENT IN ITS FAVOR GIVEN ITS GIVEN ITS TITLE OR ACCESS.
I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO NOW, WE HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET.
UH, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO UH, SPEAK THIS MORNING, UH, WE NEED TO SIGN THE SIGN IN SHEET.
AND, UH, IF YOU SENT IN A WRITTEN, UH, DOCUMENT AHEAD OF TIME, THEN I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COPY OF THOSE.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF CHUCK'S HAD A CHANCE.
UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL COUPLE OF PROTESTS THAT HAD A NUMBER OF NAMES LISTED, BUT I THINK THERE ARE EIGHT OR NINE WRITTEN PROTESTS THAT WERE FILED WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE.
YOU WANT ME TO PUT, PUT IT DOWN THERE? YOU WANT TO COME IN AND SIGN UP NOW, JUDGE? UH, JUST LET, CHUCK WAS FINISHING HIS STATEMENT THERE.
WE'LL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING TODAY OR THE MEETING, IT'S REALLY NOT A HEARING.
I'VE BEEN CALLING A HEARING MYSELF, BUT IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, IS TO DO TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, IDENTIFY THE WRITTEN PROTESTS THAT WERE FILED PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE BEFORE THIS MEETING BEGAN.
WE HAVE DONE SO THERE, THERE ARE NINE OF THEM.
AND THEN ALSO TO IDENTIFY THE PROTEST THAT OCCUR BY OWNERS CITIZENS COMING TO THE MEETING.
AND, AND DO IT BY SHOW UP OR, OR, OR PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE SIGNUP SHEET THAT YOU WOULD BE REFERRING TO.
AND THE PURPOSE IS MERELY TO IDENTIFY WHO THE PROTESTORS ARE GOING TO BE, THE ONES IN WRITING, AND THE ONES THAT DO SO BY PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
AND THAT IS ALL THE COURT HAS ON ITS AGENDA TODAY REGARDING THIS MATTER.
ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE PROTESTORS, I RECOMMEND TO THE COURT THAT YOU AUTHORIZE ME TO TALK TO THEM, FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND REPORT BACK TO YOU AT, ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TAKE, UH, THE COURT'S GONNA TAKE A BREAK WHILE THE PUBLIC USES THE, HOW MANY SHEETS ARE THERE, CHUCK? THERE'S, THERE WAS JUST ONE SIGNUP SHEET.
PROBABLY THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE.
I'LL GET ANGIE TO GO GET SOME MORE.
SO IS THERE A PEN I GOT? WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING TO THE PUBLIC MEETING REGARDING CHAPTER 2 58 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE.
SO MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER S SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR ON FAVOR? AYE.
SO WE CAN MOVE FROM THE, UH, REGULAR MEETING INTO THE PUBLIC, UH, MEETING.
CHUCK, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE GET STARTED? YOU WANT TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A LAND GRAB THAT, UH, IT'S EITHER A COUNTY ROAD OR IT'S NOT A COUNTY ROAD AND IT'S COUNTY ROAD.
YOU SAID, SAID IT PRETTY PLAINLY THERE.
THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THE PUBLIC MEETING IS TO DO TWO THINGS TODAY AND NOTHING ELSE.
NUMBER ONE, IDENTIFY THE WRITTEN PROTESTS THAT WERE FILED PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE BEFORE THIS MEETING BEGAN.
NUMBER TWO, TO IDENTIFY THE PROTESTS THAT WERE LAWFULLY ASSERTED PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE BY THE OWNER COMING TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND MAKING A PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF PROTEST.
THAT IS ALL THE COURT HAS AUTHORIZED TO DO AT THIS POINT.
UM, I AM READY TO READ TO YOU THE WRITTEN PROTESTS THAT WERE FILED BEFORE THIS MEETING.
YEAH, LET'S DO THE WRITTEN PROTEST AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP.
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THEY ARE NINE IN TOTAL.NUMBER ONE DATED MARCH 1ST, 2007 REGARDING ROAD 1 0 9 C.
THE PROTESTER'S NAME IS DIANE WATERS NUMBER TWO DATED FEBRUARY 20TH, 2007.
ROAD COUNTY ROAD 3 7 8 BY CALVIN AND FRANKIE ARMSTRONG.
NUMBER THREE, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2007.
DOUGLAS KIRKPATRICK IS THE PROTESTOR NUMBER FOUR.
CHARLES BERGEN IS THE PROTESTOR NUMBER FIVE.
FEBRUARY 23RD, 2007 COUNTY ROAD 3 4 8.
UH, A NUMBER OF CITIZENS SIGNED THIS ONE AND FRANKLY THE ONLY NAME I COULD READ, UH, ACCURATELY WAS MS. SHIRLEY KALE, KALE AND OTHERS, I, I DO NOT KNOW IF I'M PRONOUNCING HER NAME CORRECTLY, BUT SHIRLEY KALE AND OTHERS A PROTEST REGARDING COUNTY ROAD 3, 4 8, NUMBER SIX, FEBRUARY 28TH, 2007, COUNTY ROAD 4 0 0 6 BY DONALD DRE AND WHITE.
NUMBER SEVEN, OCTOBER 14TH, 2007 REGARDING COUNTY ROAD 4 0 4 4, ALSO KNOWN AS COUNTY LINE ROAD BY KEN WEBB.
NUMBER EIGHT, JANUARY 2ND, 2007.
COUNTY ROAD 4 0 8 4 BY THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD, TEXAS, NUMBER NINE, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2007 REGARDING COUNTY ROADS 3 4 8 AND 3 4 7.
AGAIN, SHIRLEY KALE AND OTHERS, THOSE ARE THE WRITTEN PROTESTS THAT WERE FILED BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE NOT WANTING IT TO BE A COUNTY ROAD? NO, SIR.
UH, TWO THIRDS OF 'EM ARE THAT WAY.
UM, THE CITY OF COTTON WOODS IS NUMBER EIGHT.
UH, 4 0 8 4 IS THE COUNTY ROAD.
I THINK THEY'RE TAKING A POSITION, THEY WANT THE ROAD ON THE MAP.
AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, MR. KEN WEBB COUNTY LINE ROAD.
THERE'S SOME QUESTION IN MY MIND JUST EXACTLY WHAT HIS POSITION IS, BUT THOSE ARE THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT IN AHEAD OF TIME.
ALRIGHT, WELL NOW WE'LL HEAR THE, UH, ORAL PROTEST.
UH, FIRST ONE, UH, AS FAR AS FLAT, UH, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE COURT? YES.
UH, IT BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT ONCE THE PERSONAL APPEARANCE PROTESTORS ARE IDENTIFIED, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE PUBLIC MEETING, BUT THAT I GET A GOOD ADDRESS AND A TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR EVERY NAME ON THAT LIST.
BECAUSE IF THE COURT'S GONNA OFFER AUTHORIZE ME TO TALK TO THESE CITIZENS, THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, I NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH, TO VISIT WITH THEM ABOUT THE ISSUES.
MR. FLAT, UH, HAS HIS ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER ON HERE.
UH, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT COUNTY ROAD.
UH, MR. FLAT IS HERE BY MY REQUEST.
HIS STORY AND NEXT EXTRAORDINARY WAS GONNA PRESENT SOME DATA, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A TOTAL PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO HIM IF HE WANTS TO.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT ROAD HE'S PROTESTING.
WELL, HE'S, HE'S GONNA HELP ME.
HE'S HELPING ME WITH 40 44, THAT COUNTY LINE ROAD.
AND SO I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO HIM IF HE WANTS.
YEAH, YOU WANT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? SURE.
SO ACTUALLY JUDGE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAR FROM THESE PEOPLE TODAY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA, IF HE'S GOT A ROAD, HE'S GONNA PROTEST.
YEAH, WE'RE HERE FROM HIM TODAY.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S NOT HERE TO PROTEST IN THE MOUNT.
HE'S ASSISTING ME IN A RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE ON 40 44 IE COUNTY LINE ROAD JUST WORK WITH, CAN HE JUST WORK WITH CHUCK ON THIS? YES, I WOULD.
IF, IF, DO YOU MIND YOU JUST WORKING WITH CHUCK? HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT, SIR.
THE, THE PURPOSE IS TO IDENTIFY THE PROTESTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSERTED UNDER THE STATUTE BY PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
OKAY? ALL THAT MEANS IS TO IDENTIFY 'EM BY NAME, ADDRESS, TELEPHONE, NUMBER, AND WHAT ROAD IN THEIR ISSUE.
THE COURT IS NOT AUTHORIZED AT THIS POINT TO TAKE UP ANY PROTEST MATTER.
THAT, THAT HAS OTHER, THE STATUTE HAS OTHER RULES ABOUT THAT.
THEN ARE YOU GONNA CONTACT THEM OR ARE THEY GONNA, OR NO, I, I WOULD ASK TO HEAR THEIR PERMISSION TODAY.
HAVE Y'ALL TELL ME IT'S OKAY TO TALK TO THESE OWNERS, THESE CITIZENS BY TELEPHONE OR FACE TO FACE TODAY, SO I CAN FIND OUT WHAT THEIR PROBLEMS ARE AND MAYBE WE
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CAN WORK 'EM OUT.WELL, I, THE, THE FORM HERE SAYS NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE NUMBER.
UM, THIS THREE-FOURTHS OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T PUT THEIR ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER ON HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE REQUESTED IT.
IF ANYBODY HAS SIGNED UP THAT DIDN'T PUT THEIR PHONE NUMBER ON THERE, CAN WE GET THAT BACK TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR PHONE NUMBERS ON? YES, SIR.
I, I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND JUST LET ME TAKE THE LIST AND GO TO SOMEPLACE IN THE COURTHOUSE OR THE ANNEX AND I'LL WRITE 'EM DOWN AND TALK.
BEGIN TO TALK TO 'EM RIGHT NOW AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE.
MY OFFICE IS NOT VERY BIG UP THERE, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S SIR, WE'LL GO UP THERE AND USE THAT.
YOU CAN GET BEHIND MY DESK AND THEY CAN COME IN AND I'LL STAY ON THE OUTSIDE YOUR DESK.
IF YOU SIGNED UP TO PROTEST, UH, A COUNTY ROAD, UH, WHETHER IT IS OR IS NOT A COUNTY ROAD, UH, IF YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, MR. KIMBRO'S GONNA GO UP HERE TO COMMISSIONER ROWAN'S OFFICE AND, UH, WHICH IS JUST UP THIS HALLWAY TO THE RIGHT, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, GO AHEAD AND FORM A LINE AND, UH, UH, HE'LL DISCUSS WITH YOU AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR, UH, UH, PROTEST IS ABOUT THE, UH, PARTICULAR COUNTY ROAD.
AND THEN HE'LL BE GETTING YOUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER AT THE SAME TIME.
WHEN, WHEN WE GO BACK INTO, UH, RECORD SESSION, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? AUTHORIZE YOU TO CONTACT THESE PEOPLE AND WORK IT OUT WITH THEM? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES, SIR.
DETERMINE, DETERMINE THE FACTS, THE ISSUES OF THEIR PROTEST.
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
WE CAN'T DO IT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA BACK THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
I MEAN, WE ARE GOING TO LET, WE'RE GOING TO TURN THE PUBLIC MEETING ACTUALLY OVER TO YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TO THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THE RECORD.
DO WE STAY IN OUR PUBLIC MEETING AND OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND EXIT OUR PUBLIC MEETING AND, UH, FINISH OUR AGENDA? UH, YOU MAY EXIT YOUR PUBLIC MEETING AND FINISH YOUR AGENDA AT THE END.
UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RECORD MADE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OPEN COURT TODAY, MEANING, UH, THESE, THIS, THIS DOCUMENT NEEDS TO BE THE, UH, AUTHENTICATED IS PROBABLY TOO FANCY OF A WORD, BUT TO MEMORIALIZE THE FACT THAT THESE ARE THE CITIZENS, THESE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ASSERTED A PROTEST BY PERSONAL APPEARANCE UNDER THE STATUTE TODAY.
DO WE JUST, SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING, UM, THE STATUTE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
DO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE NAMES ARE ENTERED IN THERE? WE DON'T HAVE TO ENTER WHAT THE, UH, OUTCOME OF THIS MEETING WITH YOU WAS.
JUST MEMORIALIZE THE FACT THAT THE COURT HAS IDENTIFIED THE PERSONAL INSURANCE PROTESTORS AND HERE THEY'LL, ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK IN.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ADJOURN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA RECESS THE PUBLIC MEETING AS FAR AS THE COURT GOES TO ALLOW MR. KIMBRO TO VISIT WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS.
AND, UH, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION, FINISH OUR AGENDA, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK, THEN REOPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING AND ACCEPT THE LIST THAT, UH, MR. BERRY IS GONNA HAVE.
I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO EXACTLY THAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I'VE FOUND IN MY PRACTICE EXPERIENCE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, AT TIMES, CITIZENS OR PROPERTY OWNERS WILL COME UP AT THE PROTEST MEETING AND ASSERT BY PUBLIC APPEARANCE OF PROTEST.
AND REALLY THE PROTEST IS, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE ROADS ON THAT MAP, I WANT IT TO STAY ON THE MAP.
THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT A PROTEST.
THAT THE, THAT NAME WOULD NEED TO COME OFF THIS LIST.
AND IF I HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE FOLKS OUT THERE, THEN WE CAN PARE DOWN THIS LIST JUST A BIT.
THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK, HE'LL HAVE THAT MR. ROW TOOK HIS MAP AND IT'S IN THE ARCHIVE ROOM.
YOU GOT YOUR MAPS TOO THOUGH? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S CAN MR. CLARK, THERE'S A PLACE IN MY ROOM WHERE YOU CAN PUT THAT, THERE'S A TABLE IN THERE WHERE YOU CAN PUT THAT BACK.
MR. CLARK, CHUCK, WILL YOU BE AUTHORIZED? WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO ALL THESE PEOPLE WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR RIGHTS WILL BE PRO OR YES, SIR.
I'VE GOT COPIES OF THE CHAPTER 2 58.
THE JURY OF YOU PROTEST, I THINK A LOT OF'EM WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSION MYSELF HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK OUT.
YEAH, I JUST, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COTTONWOOD, IS ANYBODY HERE FROM COTTONWOOD, THEY'VE ASKED THAT, UH, TWO ROADS REMAIN ON THE MAP.
OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT A PROTEST.
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ONE DEAL.IT'S GONNA BE ON THE MAP AND THAT'S ALL THEY'RE ASSERTING THEIR RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE TO HAVE THAT ON THE MAP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE TOOK REFERRING THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PROTEST PROCEEDING IS TO SAY, I'VE LOOKED AT THE MAP, I DON'T WANT THAT ROAD ON THE MAP.
OR, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PUT THAT ROAD ON THE MAP.
TAKE IT OFF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY TODAY.
THE ONES THAT WERE FILED IN RIOT AHEAD OF TIME AND THE FOLKS THAT HAVE, HAVE, HAVE COME TODAY, IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROAD BEING ON THE MAP, THAT'S NOT A PROTEST AND WE'RE, WE SHOULDN'T TAKE ANY TIME THAT JUST MAINTAINS THE STATUS QUO.
IF THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO PROTEST A CERTAIN ROAD, UH, UH, IT'S TAKEN OFF THE MAP.
UH, DOES COMMISSIONER HAVE THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT? YES, SIR.
UM, UH, IT'S MY, IT'S, IT'S MY OPINION, IT'S OUR OPINION, MY FIRM'S OPINION THAT, UH, AT THIS POINT THE COUNTY CANNOT ADD ANY ROADS TO THAT MAP.
THE STATUTE SAYS PLAINLY THAT IF A COUNTY DOES NOT INCLUDE A ROAD ON THE MAP THAT'S NOT FATAL, THE COUNTY CAN STILL MAINTAIN IT AND THE PUBLIC CAN STILL GO ACROSS AN OMITTED ROAD BASED ON OTHER THEORIES OF LAW.
BUT AS TO A ROAD THAT'S ON THE MAP AS TO A ROAD THAT'S ON THE PROPOSED MAP, THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST.
THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO PURSUE A JURY REVIEW PROCEEDING.
THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO FILE A LAWSUIT IN THE DISTRICT COURT WITHIN TWO YEARS AFTER THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE MAP BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
BUT IF A CITIZEN PROTEST AND COMES UP WITH THE FACTS AND IT TURNS OUT WELL, GOODNESS, THE COUNTY'S WRONG OR THE COUNTY DOES NOT NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH A JURY VIEW OR A PROTEST PROCEEDING BECAUSE OF ADVERSE RISK AND LITIGATION EXPENSE, Y'ALL CAN DECIDE TO TAKE THAT ROAD OFF THE MAP.
YOU CAN'T ADD ROADS TO THE MAP AT THIS POINT, BUT YOU CAN TAKE THEM OFF OF THE MAP BASED ON LITIGATION RISK EXPENSE AND THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT BE WRONG ON YOUR CLAIM.
BUT DO, DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO SIGN THIS LIST IN CASE THAT THERE IS SOME ROADS IN QUESTION? I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO, SIR, ARE NOT ACCEPTED.
I'VE GOT ONE ON THERE THAT I KNOW NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF.
THE GUY DIDN'T COME BECAUSE I TOLD HIM I WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.
DO I NEED TO PUT HIS NAME ON THERE? NO SIR.
IT'S MY POSITION THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN TAKE A ROAD OFF THE MAP BECAUSE IT DOES, THE COUNTY DOES NOT DESIRE TO PURSUE YEAH.
A LITIGATION STRATEGY THAT INVOLVES EXPENSE AND RISK.
THAT'S Y'ALL'S DISCRETIONARY CALL THERE.
UH, FROM FROM WHEN WE STARTED STARTED THIS, WHEN THAT MAP WAS PUT IN COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, I HAD ACCEPTED THREE OR FOUR ROADS IN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAD WENT TWO YEARS, YADA.
I BROUGHT IT TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT ACCEPTED THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON HERE.
BUT THEY WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS BY WAY OF COMMISSION COURT MINUTES.
RIGHT? BUT IT DON'T GO ON THIS MAP.
THIS MAP, ACCORDING TO THE CHAPTER 2 58 PROCEDURE IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME AND THE SNAPSHOT HAD TO BE TAKEN LAST BUDGET YEAR.
CLEARLY, KAUFMAN COUNTY IS ENGAGING IN ACCEPTING SUBDIVISION ROADS, FOR INSTANCE, BY DEDICATION, UH, REGULARLY SINCE THAT MAP WAS PROPOSED.
THIS IS JUST A MAP THAT'S A SNAPSHOT IN TIME.
TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH, THERE MAY BE NEW COUNTY ROADS ADOPTED OR DEDICATED OR GRANTED INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM.
BUT YOU'RE A GROWING COUNTY AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE.
SO THE LEGISLATURE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
CAN I ASK ONE THING OF YOU OR IS A COURT MIND ON, ON ROADS AND ISSUES IN MY PRECINCT? CAN I BE INVOLVED BECAUSE I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL THESE YEAH.
YEAH, I I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT, THAT I, SIR, I MAY NOT, WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE A VERY HELPFUL SOURCE OF, UH, I THINK AFTER CHUCK TALKS TO THESE PEOPLE AND, AND REFINES THAT LIST, THEN AFTER HE REPORTS BACK TO US HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, I THINK AND Y'ALL WILL BE ABLE TO SEE A BETTER PICTURE.
OKAY, EVERYBODY, SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECESS THE PUBLIC MEETING TO GIVE, UH, THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THE PROTEST LIST, THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROTEST, AND, UH, UH, MOVE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR
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MEETING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN 70 BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.WE'RE IN RECESS FOR YOU TO THANK YOU, CHUCK.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER OFFERING TAX PAYMENT ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN WASHINGTON STREET CORRIDOR AND THE DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND, UH, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A ORDINANCE BASICALLY STATING THAT IF, UH, THE BUSINESS WANTS TO SPEND MONEY IMPROVING THEIR FACILITIES, THEN UH, THE CITY OF KAUFMAN WILL ABATE NEW TAXES ON THE IMPROVEMENT.
THINK THINK ON HOW MUCH MONEY IT IS, JUDGE IF IT'S OVER 250 OR 250,000, ELEVATED 50% THE FIRST YEAR AND 40 THE SECOND.
I THINK IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY AND THEN IT GOES DOWN DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY SPEND FROM THERE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS JUST A WAY TO TRY TO, UH, HELP REVITALIZE SQUARE, GET PEOPLE TO, UH, PUT MORE MONEY INTO THEIR, THEIR EXISTING BUSINESSES.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN? WHAT CITY DOING HERE? NOT THE CITY PART OF IT, BUT THE COUNTY.
THEY'RE ASKING US TO, UH, ABATE OUR COUNTY TAXES.
IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, IF WE DO THAT, JUDGE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN HELP, UH, UH, DO THAT SAME THING TO THE CITY OF TERRELL OR THE CITY OF CORN.
WE'RE OR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT, THAT ASK FOR THAT.
ALTHOUGH THEY WON'T HAVE A SQUARE PER SE THAT THEY'RE APPLYING THIS TO.
BUT A PART OF THIS ONE IS GOING DOWN WASHINGTON STREET, SO, WELL, MOST OF 'EM HAVE A MAIN STREET OR A CENTRAL BUSINESS.
I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR DOING ANYTHING WE CAN TO REVITALIZE THE SQUARE, DO WHATEVER, STAY OUT.
I REALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW I TALKED TO DANNY THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID, IF Y'ALL DO IT FOR THEM, WE GONNA DO IT FOR US.
AND SO I ALREADY GOT MY ANSWER.
HE SAID, WE EXPECT TO SO'S GONNA BE THERE, KIM, I'M SORRY, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I THINK WE NEED LET THE, I I REALLY, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE THAT MUCH OF A HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT JUDGE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY INDIVIDUALS ARE GONNA BE SPENDING, IF ANY, ON THEIR BUILDING.
SEE, WE'VE DONE THIS WITH OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS.
GO, NOBODY HAS EVEN STEPPED UP TO PLATE TO DO ANYTHING.
BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR CURRENT TAXES.
THIS IS, THIS IS ONLY ON THE NEW ADDITION THAT THEY WOULD BE ADDING ON THERE.
THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT WE DID WITH THE CITY TRAIL.
I'M GONNA BE SINGLE PRESIDENT THIS SAME THING OFF PEOPLE UP AND DOWN MORE AVENUE.
THAT'S NOT TAKE, BUT I HAVE TO, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, MR. SHANE, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT LIKE, IF THIS, UH, ABATEMENT CAUSES SOMEONE TO SPEND SOME EXTRA MONEY ONTO THEIR BUILDING, UH, THEN THAT IS GONNA ADD TO OUR TAX ROLL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE AT AN ABATED AMOUNT, BUT EVENTUALLY GET BACK ONTO HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT IF, IF, UH, IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THIS TO 'EM, THEN MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T SPEND ANYTHING AND WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
WELL, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
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TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR CITIES.OUR CITIES ARE LIKE, I JUST A LITTLE EXTRA BURDEN ON OUR HOMEOWNERS WHEN WE TAKE THE COUNTY PART.
JIM, YOU, YOU HAD A COMMENT ABOUT IS THERE OTHER OR THERE OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT, THAT, THAT PERPETUATED THIS? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT IS, BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
WELL THERE'S A, THE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A WHILE CALLED THE MAIN STREET PROJECT.
BUT THAT'S, UH, STRICTLY BY GRANTS.
IT'S A MATCHING GRANT, BUT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I HOPE, I DON'T HOPE I DON'T MAKE ANYBODY MAD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF IMPACT FEES OR FRANCHISE TAXES.
WHY WOULD THE COUNTY WANT TO DO THIS? OKAY.
THERE'S GONNA BE A PENANCE COME BACK.
I JUST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ALL FOR TAX BAIL IN THE CITY.
JUST GOING GIVE US ANOTHER MEETING.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA PROVE THIS AGAIN.
AND I THINK IT ADDS MORE TO OUR AGENDA.
HARD TO, HARD TO THE IMPACT ON I SAY MIGHT GO SWEAR, MAKE SOME KIND OF A GUESS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE.
I SAY WHEN YOU COME OVER TO CHARLES BUSINESS DISTRICT OR CORN, IT COULD BE COULD BE TREMENDOUS.
I THINK CLOSE THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT IS NOT VERY GOOD.
WELL, I, I'M JUST DOING ANYTHING TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP REVITALIZE THE SQUARE.
I THOUGHT WE, I WAS TINA, I WAS DRIVING AROUND THE SQUARE'S.
I MEAN, THE COURTHOUSE LOOKS GREAT NOW.
I MEAN, WHEN ALL OF THIS COMES THAT WE'VE DONE AROUND THE COURTHOUSE, IT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT.
WOOD BUILDING NEEDS, NEEDS SOME HELP.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT OR NOT ANYWAY, BUT IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD.
UH, WELL I'M I'M HEARING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COURT'S PROBABLY NOT FLORENCE.
I CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OFFER THE ABATEMENT AND PUT THAT TO A VOTE.
OR I CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, NOT GRANT THE EVA, WHICH ONE OF Y'ALL FLIP UPON, THEY DON'T OFFER A TAX.
MAKE THE, MAKE THE MOTION TO OFFER THE TAX.
HE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, NOT OH, OKAY.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DUCK, NOT TO GRANT THE TAX PAYMENT.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, BUT THE MOTION CARRIES.
DID YOU VOTE JUDGE? JUDGE DIDN'T VOTE.
I JUST, IN CASE ATTIRE FOLLOW THAT, I
NEXT, UH, TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENGAGE IN BUSINESS SERVICE GROUP, UH, SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAPITALIZED THERE, UH, TO REVIEW UTILITY BILLS.
THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER CLARK BROUGHT UP, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
AND, UH, I POINTED OUT THAT THEY'D ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE.
THEY'VE TALKED TO HAL AND I THINK THEY'VE TALKED TO JACK.
AND, UH, IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.
UH, ANY MONEY THEY GET PAID IS OUT OF THE SAVINGS, UH, THAT THEY FIND THAT THE COUNTY CAN SAVE AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR, THEIR MONEY COMES FROM.
AND SO I THINK IT'S, UH, GREAT DEAL.
SO COMMISSIONER, YOU WANT MAKE THAT MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE ENGAGED BUSINESS SERVICE GROUP TO REVIEW OUR UTILITY BILLS.
JERRY, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR HEARING AIDS IN THIS BOARD, DO YOU? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE THE, AND WE HAD, UH, DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER EMPLOYING
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LA COIA ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES FOR HAZARDOUS WEIGHT OPERATIONS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE TRAINING FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY.UM, AND Y'ALL WERE CALLED A FEW WEEKS BACK IN PRECINCT THREE.
UH, SOMEBODY HAD DUMPED A BUNCH OF STUFF OVER THERE ON THE COUNTY ROAD AND UH, AND WE CALLED, UH, KINDA CALLED UH, RICK LAQUA OUTFIT AND RICK SUPERVISED THE CLEANUP.
BUT THE PROBLEM WAS NONE OF THE PEOPLE, UH, THAT THEY WERE THE ROAD HANDS.
THEY WEREN'T TRAINED ON HANDLING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.
THEY HAD NO, UH, HAZARDOUS, UH, HAZMAT SUITS.
UH, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER.
AND WE'RE HAVING MORE AND MORE OF THIS BEING DONE.
IN FACT, THE SHERIFF WAS TELLING ME ABOUT AN INCIDENT THAT, UH, I, A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT HAPPENED THAT I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT.
SO THE PROBLEM IS, UH, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT MR. LAQUA DEAL, IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAINING.
AND, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TAKING, UH, GOING INTO EACH PRECINCT AND TRAINING SO MANY MEN IN EACH PRECINCT TO DO IT.
UH, AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE TAKING, UH, YOUR OWN HANDS AWAY FROM THE JOB FOR THIS TRAINING FOR A GOOD PERIOD OF TIME.
SO I GOT THINKING IT MIGHT BE, AND Y'ALL JUST, THIS IS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AND THINK ABOUT, BUT WHAT IF YOU SAY WERE TO TAKE, UH, TWO GUYS FROM EACH PRECINCT AND PUT THEM TOGETHER TO GET THE TRAINING, AND THEN IF YOU HAD A HAZMAT PROBLEM IN PRECINCT ONE, THEN, THEN THAT GROUP WOULD COME TOGETHER AND COME, GO IN AS A GROUP.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT RICK HAD IN MIND.
IS IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY HIS, UH, PROBLEM IN ANY PRECINCT.
WAS IT FOUR ONE THAT EVERYBODY WAS COMING TOGETHER, BUT HE WAS TAKING, THINKING IN TERMS OF, OF TRAINING A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM EACH PRECINCT? WAS HE NOT? NO, I HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SIX FROM EACH PRECINCT.
HOW MANY DO YOU USE ON YOUR CLEANUP? PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE.
SO YOU SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF YOU SAY PUT TWO PEOPLE SHARE THE POWER.
AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, NO MATTER IF WE'RE BOUNCE IN THE COUNTY, BUT THAT GROUP BE ON CALL AS A RIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, HAL? 'CAUSE YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THIS ALSO.
DO YOU THINK THAT CHANGED THAT PRICE JUDGE? OR IS THAT PRICE OF ONE TIME THING NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU SEND? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE SAME, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MANPOWER TO TEACH 'EM.
SO IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S, UH, UH, EIGHT OR 24.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT IF WE COULD JUST SEND TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH PRECINCT.
I'D LIKE TO LIKE TWO PEOPLE MYSELF.
WELL, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO EMPLOY, UH, UH, LAQUA ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, UH, FOR HAZARDOUS WASTE, UH, OPERATION EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UH, FOR TWO PEOPLE.
TWO DESIGNATED PEOPLE FROM EACH PRECINCT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
SEGMENTED BY COMMISSIONER ROUS.
IS THIS, THIS IS THIS NET $10,000? I THINK SO.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A FLAT FEE FOR, UH, THAT WHOLE SCHOOL.
HE'S GONNA BRING SOME MORE EXPERTS IN.
THAT'S GONNA BE AN, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE EXPENSIVE, BUT TALKING WITH THE SHERIFF AFTER THE TRAINING COULD PROBABLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR PEOPLE AFTER THERE AS FAR AS TRAINING GOES.
BUT WITH THE $10,000 THAT WE SPEND ON TRAINING OUR PEOPLE CONDUCT, COULD THAT SAVE US FROM SOME FUTURE LITIGATION? ABSOLUTELY.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE TRAIN OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.
UH, NEXT DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REAPPOINTING.
WE PEMBERTON, BILL NER, TANYA DAVIS, MARION WARD, UH, AND APPOINTING MIKE SHARP AS COMMISSIONERS FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT.
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MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER.UH, NEXT ITEM, UH, REQUEST TO TABLE THAT ITEM.
MURPHY SAID HE NEEDS SOME, A LITTLE MORE TIME TO, OH, OKAY.
RESEARCH THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
THAT ITEM WILL BE, UH, LINE ITEM TRANSFERS.
UH, MR. YES, SIR, WE DO OBJECT.
LINE ITEM TRANSFERS AND COUNTY COURT OF LAW.
NUMBER TWO, TO INCREASE BONDS.
JUDICIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, INCREASED MISCELLANEOUS.
5,000 REDUCTION IN PROSECUTION COMPUTER AREA.
10,000 WITH REDUCTION IN SERVICE.
RULE BRIDGE NUMBER THREE, INCREASED TOOLS OF EQUIVALENT 32,000.
THE DEDUCTION IN NEW EQUIPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY IN THE
WE HAVE A, A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THAT FUND OF THAT.
WE ENTERTAIN MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
UH, WE GOING PAY ANY BILLS THIS WEEK? WELL, YOU HOPE SO.
I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN WELCOME THE, UH, TWO COMMISSIONERS FROM HENDERSON COUNTY.
I HOPE Y'ALL ENJOYED THIS MORNING'S MEETING.
IT'S FUN SITTING ON THIS SIDE.
NOW DID ANYBODY SEE WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR SIGNUP SHEET NOW.
NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS MORNING IF THEY DID SHEET.
A YEAR AND SHE WAS READING THE ONE AT THE BARN ALL THE TIME.
WHAT TIME, WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE THIS ONE? FOUR.
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SOMETIMES WHEN SOME OF THESE DO UNDERSTAND.AFTER I, AFTER YOU SHOWED ME THAT ONE, I WENT AND BOUGHT ONE RIGHT AWAY AND UH, USED IT FOR A WEEK AND ORDERED MONEY.
WHERE'D YOU GET? I GOT THIS ONE FROM LYNCH.
IF, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU DO THAT, TALK TO ME ABOUT HARDENING THE SURFACE.
I KNOW COURT, HE BRAG AND IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A, WE LIKE IT THAT EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN, IT IMMEDIATELY GETS SCANNED.
SO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, THEY WANT TO SEE ANYTHING, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT IT ON THEIR SYSTEM.
WELL, SHE'S BEEN, SHE KNOWS HER BUSINESS AND A FELLOW, SHE CARRIES NEW ATTORNEY AND, AND SERVED AS EXPERT WITNESS.
AND IT HAS, SHE SAID ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT GOING WITH RECORDS WITH MARCH? WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
HAS THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BRING IT IN, YOU LAND, LAND RECORDS, YOU CAN BRING IT IN, SCAN IT, AND IT, IT HAS OCR, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT.
IT DOESN'T PERMANENTLY REDACT IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE BEHIND SECURITY, IT'S NOT A BAD DEAL EXCEPT IT'S THE STATE.
ALL, ALL THIS GUYS ON HERE, THEY GET THAT WALL BOARD UP.
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TWO GUYS GOING CRACK, CRACK.GOT THE YOU BET CHUCK'S HAVING A GREAT TIME.
I NOTICED CROWN ROYAL STILL THEY GOT CHEAPER.
WE STILL HAVE THAT CROWN, ROYAL CROWN.
RESEARCH AND BECAUSE SCHOOL BUS AROUND THE SCHOOL BUS, SO WE COULD IT OFF AT THEY AROUND, AROUND THEORY, BEHIND THE WHOLE THING.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE CHUCK WENT.
DID YOU HAVE ONE TRAILER FILLED UP TOO? TIRE TRAILER.
DID YOU HAVE ONE? THE TIRE TRAILER FILLED UP.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TRAILER WE HAD FOR A THOUSAND.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE LAST ONCE.
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NOT.OH REALLY? THEY MAY SLOW DOWN.
WHAT WAS IT, 70,000 SEPARATE FUND THAT HAD GRAND MONEY.
THERE'S 60, BUT THEY'RE ALL KIND OF SMALL.
WHAT KIND OF PERIOD IS THIS BILL? SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO TAKE IF THAT'S, AND I TALKED TO ANDREW ON WEEKEND THERE, HE THOUGHT IT WOULD DO, WOULD DO GET COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I'M SURE YOU DON'T EVER HEAR COMMENTS ON THAT.
I'VE BEEN TOLD HOW MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THEY, THEY SAY YEAH, I FIGURED GOOD AFTERNOON.
I WAS WORRIED ABOUT IF NOBODY OFFICE IS GONNA STAY ON THERE.
IS IT ON THERE? OH YEAH, I MAKE SURE SOMEBODY, WE DON'T WANT GET SOMEBODY A PROFESSIONAL.
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WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE? EITHER WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING TO HIM WHAT THERE MUCH.YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT.
SAID SHE WAS TIRED OF WALKING AROUND.
SHE WORE THE WRONG SHOES, BOOTS OVER, ABOVE.
I DID ALL THIS RESEARCH AND HE'S, WHAT'S HIS, DID ALL THIS RESEARCH AND THE, I SHE, SHE'S STILL LOOKING STUFF UP I SAID WAS MY BUDDY.
NOW Y'ALL, YOUR HONOR, THE PICTURE LAST WEEK.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO UH, UH, ADJOURN.
NO, I CAN'T ADJOURN TO RECESS OUR REGULAR MEETING AND GO BACK INTO THE PUBLIC MEETING.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FELLER.
SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE PUBLIC MEETING ASPECT OF OUR MEETING THIS MORNING.
I WANNA REPORT TO THE COURT THAT I VISITED WITH THE PRIVATE CITIZENS WHO APPEAR TODAY.
AND I WILL REPORT THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIZENS WHO AFTER, UH, DISCUSSING THE ISSUE HAVE NOW MARKED OUT THEIR NAMES ON THE SHOW UP LIST AND HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR PROTEST.
AND THOSE ARE HEATHER DAVIS, THE
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SEVENTH NAME ON THE LIST.AGAIN, THE HANDWRITING IS, UH, IS IT MR. KIRKPATRICK OR KIRKLAND? KIRKPATRICK.
KIRKPATRICK HAS WITHDRAWN HIS PROTEST.
JD SMITH HAS WITHDRAWN HIS PROTEST AND THOSE ITEMS ARE MARKED, UH, BY THE PROTESTOR IN HIS OR HER OWN HAND, MARKING OUT THE NAMES ON THE LIST.
AND SO THE REMAINING NAMES ON THE LIST, UH, REPRESENT THEMSELVES TO BE PROTESTORS.
I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT WITH THOSE CITIZENS, UH, REGARDING THEIR POSITION, THEIR ISSUES.
UM, THEY, UH, ALL EXCEPT ONE OR ACTUALLY ALL OF 'EM HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, CONTEST RAISED REGARDING CONTINUOUS COUNTY MAINTENANCE CONTINUING BEFORE SEPTEMBER THE FIRST 1981 UNTIL THE, THE DATE OF THE PROTEST BEING TODAY.
SO WHAT I INDICATED TO THOSE, UH, CITIZENS WAS THAT I WOULD, UH, HEAR WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY AND THEN GET WITH THE EACH, UH, COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCT AND DETERMINED THE COUNTY'S POSITION, THE COUNTY'S EVIDENCE, UM, AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE COURT.
SO ALL THAT YOU HAVE TO DO NOW, JUDGE JEN COMMISSIONERS, IS TO MEMORIALIZE THE, UH, PERSONAL APPEARANCE PROTESTS THAT HAVE BEEN AND AUTHORIZED ME TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A PETITION OF A POSITION FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AS TO WHAT I THINK THEY OUGHT TO DO.
OKAY? I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IF THERE IS A LIVE PROTEST THAT CANNOT BE RESOLVED, THE STATUTE IS VERY PLAIN.
UH, ALL JURY OF VIEW PROCEEDINGS AND FINAL MAP ADOPTION MUST OCCUR BEFORE THE 90TH DAY FROM TODAY.
SO TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND I WORK WITH YOU ON.
OKAY, SO THE WORDING OF THE MOTION SHOULD BE THAT COMMISSIONER COURT ACKNOWLEDGES, UH, I MARK THIS EXHIBIT A, UH, AND ATTACH IT TO THE MINUTES IN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
IN THE PUBLIC EXHIBIT A FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING.
THERE ARE SOME OF THE NAMES ON EXHIBIT A REPORTED EXHIBIT A THAT, UH, SHOWED UP TODAY THAT ALSO FILED WRITTEN PROTEST.
SHOULD BE B WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXHIBIT A.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXHIBIT A WE DO WITH THE, THE SIGN I, THE WRITTEN PROTEST.
DO THE WRITTEN PROTEST SHOULD BE EXHIBIT B.
WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT A WITH THE OPENING OF THE BID.
AND HERE I WAS TELLING JERRY HE NEEDED TO TURN UP HIS HEARING AID
UH, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND INCORPORATE INTO THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC MEETING EXHIBIT B, WHICH LISTS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PERSONALLY APPEARED TO PROTEST, UH, AT THIS MORNING'S PUBLIC MEETING.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FELLER.
THEN WE NEED A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE CHUCK KIMBREL WITH THE ELL LAW FIRM TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTINUED TO PROTEST THE COUNTY ROAD MAP PROJECT.
UM, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW.
NOW CHUCK, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO? NOTHING SIR.
AND YOU'LL GET WITH US AS THESE THINGS PROGRESS ALONG, IF WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN, UH, OR AND SOME OF 'EM AT THE END OF IT, WE
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WILL NEED TO BE INVOLVED.WHAT I TOLD THE CITIZENS WAS THIS, I WAS GOING TO HEAR FROM 'EM ABOUT WHY THEY SAID THE COUNTY'S CLAIM WAS INVALID AND THEN I TOLD 'EM I WAS GONNA GET WITH MY CLIENT REPRESENTATIVE, MEANING THE COMMISSIONERS' PRECINCT AND FIND OUT FROM Y'ALL, FROM EACH PRECINCT WHAT IS OUR POSITION REGARDING CONTINUOUS MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT, PROCEED WITH A JURY REVIEW CONTEST OR NOT.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, IF ANYONE WANTS TO JURY REVIEW CONTEST, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE PLUS REDRAW THE MOUTH AND EVERYTHING WITHIN 90 DAYS FROM TODAY.
IN FACT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THE STATUTE, THE 90 DAYS TOO LATE, IT HAS TO BE BEFORE THE 90, BEFORE THE NINE DAYS.
SO, UM, THERE'S A A TIME ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED THERE.
WOULD WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING BACK TO OUR REGULAR MEETING? SO, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND, TAKEN BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
YOU GONNA STICK AROUND A LITTLE BIT, CHUCK? YES, SIR.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT, UH, WANT TO TALK TO Y'ALL WITH ME PRESENT OR THE SINGLE COMMISSIONERS TO AFFECT SOME OF THE EFFECTIVE CITIZENS.
WE, UH, ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE EVIDENCE, ABOUT THE ISSUES.
SO, UM, WE ENTERTAIN MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.