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UH, YOUR PRAYER LAST WEEK WORKED.
I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU DO IT AGAIN.
FATHER, WE THINK THEY, FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF GATHERING TOGETHER LIKE THIS TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY.
WE ALSO APPRECIATE ALL THE, UH, BENEFITS THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH THROUGHOUT OUR LIVES.
THANK YOU FOR THE LIFE SUSTAINING REIGN THAT YOU SENT US.
LOOK OUT FOR OUR SOLDIERS, IF THEY'RE STILL ALL OVER THE WORLD, PUTTING THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY.
ALL OF THESE THINGS WE ASK IN JESUS CHRIST THING.
JOIN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
FOR ALL HONOR, TEXAS FLAG, IE.
TO BE IN TEXAS ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
FIRST OFF, Y'ALL BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.
ARE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.
SO MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROBINS BY COMMISSIONER ER.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING.
UH, AS TRAVIS MEDLOCK, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, TRAVIS HERE.
UH, HE'S GONNA GIVE US THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS ON THE 2006 ENDAGE OF DEFENSE SPENDING BASED ON DATA PROVIDED.
AS Y'ALL RECALL, WE, UH, UH, THEY MADE A PROPOSITION TO US AND WE TOOK THEM UP ON IT THAT THEY WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SOFTWARE PLAN, UH, AND HE WAS GOING TO DO A SEARCH AND USING LAST YEAR'S INDIGENT DEFENSE, UM, STATISTICS, UH, HE WAS GONNA DO A SEARCH TO, UM, DETERMINE HOW MUCH THE COUNTY WOULD'VE SAVED HAD THEY HAD THIS, UM, SOFTWARE INVOLVED AT THAT TIME.
CAN I HAVE ONE OF THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, TRAVIS, I'LL TURNED OVER TO YOU AND LET YOU TELL US WHAT YOU FOUND.
IF YOU WANTED, UH, THE MICROPHONE'S OVER HERE AND SURE.
WE, WE'VE BEEN, UH, ADVISED THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO HEAR IN THE BACK.
HOW'S THAT? EVERYBODY HEAR ME? FINE? YEAH.
UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST, ANDREW, I WAS GONNA SAY, COME ON IN.
YOU, YOU'D WANT TO HEAR THAT
I KNOW SOME OF, SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALREADY HEARD, UM, WHAT THE PRODUCT IS.
BUT I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT IT DOES JUST TO KIND OF CATCH EVERYBODY UP.
I GUESS SOME, UM, ISN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PRODUCT, BUT THE PRODUCT IS AN AUTOMATED INDIGENT VERIFICATION SYSTEM.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT'S A PRODUCT WE'VE SOLD FOR YEARS TO THE HOSPITAL INDUSTRY, UM, PROBABLY SINCE ABOUT 2000 TO IDENTIFY CHARITY CARE.
IT UTILIZES THE CREDIT REPORT.
UM, IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY STATE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDICAL CARE, THEY WOULD RUN THE SYSTEM TWO TO THREE SECONDS, UH, OR THREE TO SIX SECONDS.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW PAST YOUR SCREEN.
DOES DALLAS COUNTY USE THIS? YES, DALLAS COUNTY USES IT.
THAT IS OUR ONLY COUNTY RIGHT NOW USING THIS.
SO WHEN DID, HOW LONG DID DALLAS COUNTY USE IT? THEY CAME UP IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER.
SO THEY WILL HAVE SOME STATISTICS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THEY'RE ONLY USING IT IN THEIR COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT UP AND RUNNING IN THEIR COURTS, THEIR COURTS AREA.
SO THEY'RE STILL, WE'RE WRESTLING ON, WELL, UH, PARKLAND HOSPITAL IS WHAT I HAD IN MY REFERENCE TO, I MEAN, OKAY.
THEY'RE USING IT TO, FOR THE COLLECTIONS OF PARKLAND NOW, PRESIDENT'S WITH DALLAS COUNTY FOR YEARS, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE COLLECTION PROCESS.
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THE, THE PARKLAND COLLECTIONS.I THINK IT'S FOR THEIR COURTS, THEIR COLLECTIONS IN THAT, UM, FOR MISDEMEANOR COURTS, UH, AND SOME OF THE CRIMINAL COURT FINDS.
SO I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S, IT IS IN THE PARKLAND COLLECTIONS AREA.
SO I'LL, I'LL CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU THOUGH.
I HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW AFTERNOON, AND IT'D BE NICE IF I, NO PROBLEM.
I CAN GIVE YOU A CALL BACK THIS AFTERNOON.
SO, HOW IT WORKS, UM, IF SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY SAY THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDICAL SERVICES, THEY WOULD RUN THE SYSTEM, UM, IN THREE TO SIX SECONDS OR HOWEVER, TEST YOUR SCREEN REFRESHES.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S INTERNET BASED.
IT WOULD COME BACK AND STATE THIS PERSON QUALIFIES BASED ON YOUR HOSPITAL'S INDIGENCY CRITERIA, UM, WHICH IS USUALLY SOME FORM OR FASHION OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINE.
IT'LL ALSO, WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, UM, OR ANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAM OUT THERE THAT'LL PAY FOR THE MEDICAL SERVICES, SUCH AS, UM, UH, SINGLE PREGNANT MOTHERS, UH, RYAN WHITE, WHICH IS HIV.
SO ANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAM OUT THERE, IT'LL, IT'LL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU QUALIFY FOR IT.
SO WE MET, UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN A PRESENTATION AT JOHN PETER SMITH HOSPITAL, UM, WHICH IS A COUNTY HOSPITAL MERELY COINCIDENTAL, BUT WE HAD, UH, ONE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THERE OF PARENT COUNTY, UM, ACTUALLY SITTING IN ON IT, CALLED US A COUPLE MONTHS LATER, UM, AND ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THE SYSTEM CAN BE TAILORED TO USE IT FOR INDIGENT DEFENSE.
SO WE TOOK A STEP BACK, TAILORED IT, CAME BACK ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER AND SAYS, HERE WE GO.
WELL, AT THAT TIME, DALLAS COUNTY HAD AN RFP OUT, WHICH IS FOR COST CONTAINMENT, UH, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF A UNIVERSAL GENERIC, HOW CAN YOU SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY? WELL, WE REPLIED TO THAT.
WE WERE ONE OF EIGHT COMPANIES THAT WON THAT FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, UH, PROPOSALS.
UM, ALL DIFFERENT LINES OF BUSINESS.
ONCE WE WON THAT, THEY TOOK US TO WASHINGTON, INTRODUCED US TO NACO, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.
THEY HAD NEVER SEEN A PRODUCT THAT ACTUALLY DID VERIFICATION ON THE INDIGENT DEFENSE PROCESS.
SO NOW WE'RE PARTNERED WITH NACO AND WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES DOING THESE EXACT TESTS.
UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 30 GOING ON RIGHT NOW FROM, I'VE GOT ABOUT 15 IN CALIFORNIA.
UM, I GO TO WASHINGTON STATE NEXT, NEXT WEEK IN ARIZONA, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FLORIDA.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH ACTIVE TESTS GOING NOW WITH SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY UP IN DALLAS COUNTY.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE'RE UP IN.
SO ON THE INDIGENT DEFENSE SIDE AND COLLECTIONS.
SO, UM, SO I MET WITH WAYNE JEN, I GUESS IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO NOW, AND WENT OVER THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS.
I MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE REPORT SINCE THEN, UM, JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION HE HAD, UH, GIVEN ME.
BUT YOU'VE GOT THE, THE PAPERWORK RIGHT HERE, WHICH IDENTIFIES AND OUTLINES EVERYTHING WE FOUND.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING OFF OF RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS WAS OFF OF, UH, 249 APPLICANTS, UH, THAT WERE SENT TO US.
SO WE RAN THAT BOUNCED OFF THE SYSTEM, AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE, WE GOT BACK.
AND THIS IS ALSO BASED ON 1.2 MILLION IN CURRENT SPENDING, UH, FOR POPPEN COUNTY.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT I EDITED ON THIS.
UH, IT WAS, WE HAD 700,000 BASED ON THE TEXAS, TEXAS INDIGENT DEFENSE TASK FORCE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE MISREAD THAT.
SO AFTER TALKING TO WAYNE JEN, HE CORRECTED ME AND I WENT BACK, GOT THE, UM, GOT THE FIGURES, AND I'VE ADDED IT TO THIS.
SO NOW 26 INDIVIDUALS WE FOUND NO CREDIT ON AT ALL.
NOW, THAT COULD BE, UM, THAT COULD BE YOUNG ADULTS WHO JUST BASICALLY HAVE AN ESTABLISHED CREDIT OR IT ALSO BE ILLEGAL, UM, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
SO THROUGH THAT YOU CAN, THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, IDENTIFY SOME OF YOUR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
UM, JUST BY THE MATTER OF FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CREDIT AND, OR THEY'RE, UH, I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OTHER THINGS DOWN IN THE CRITICAL WARNINGS.
UM, THEY CAN IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT MULTIPLE ALIASES HAVE BEEN USED ON SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO NOW THE CRITICAL WARNINGS, THESE ARE WHERE YOU FIND SOME INTERESTING THINGS.
UM, WE HAD 145 CRITICAL WARNINGS, AND THEY RANGE ACROSS THE BOARD ON, UH, INDIVIDUAL THINGS.
WE'VE GOT FIVE ADDRESSES HAVE BEEN REPORTED MISUSED AND REQUIRES FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, THAT COULD BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE JUST GIVING FALSE ADDRESSES.
UM, AND THEY'VE IDENTIFIED FRAUD AT THOSE ADDRESSES.
ONE ADDRESS IS A HOSPITAL OR CLINIC, WHICH COULD BE VERY VALID.
UM, ONE ADDRESS WAS USED IN TRUE NAME FRAUD OR CREDIT FRAUD.
UM, ONE ADDRESS HAS BEEN REPORTED MORE THAN ONCE.
UH, ADDRESS IS A MULTI-UNIT BUILDING REPORTED AS SUSPICIOUS 106 OF 'EM HAD
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ADDRESSES THAT DIDN'T MATCH WHAT YOU, WHAT, UM, WAS REPORTED.NOW, SOME OF THESE COULD BE MERELY SOMEONE NOT PUTTING NORTH ON THERE OR SOUTH ON THERE.
UM, SOME OF 'EM COULD BE TRANSPOSED NUMBERS WHERE YOUR INTAKE, UM, PERSONNEL IS NOT, UH, DOCUMENTED ACCURATELY OR THEY GET CARRIED AWAY DOING MULTIPLE THINGS.
BUT WHAT THAT AFFECTS ON THE DOWN ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE DOWNSTREAM IS YOUR COLLECTION EFFORTS.
IF YOU GET FINES ESTABLISHED THERE AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER THOSE FINES AND YOU'VE GOT BAD ADDRESSES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TROUBLE, UH, CATCHING THOSE.
SO, 14 SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH FILES.
AND THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A BIG THING.
UM, IF THEY'RE GIVING, UH, RIGHT OUTTA THE CH WRONG SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS ON PURPOSE.
UM, THIS IS ALSO WHERE YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOUR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO QUANTIFY IS WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IS THE VERY FIRST THING ON THE SYSTEM.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE, UM, IF YOU HIT 'EM WITH SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER ISSUE, I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER THAT DOESN'T MATCH HERE.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER? THEN THEY START BACKING UP.
THEN YOU'VE GOT AN ADDRESS VERIFICATION, UH, I'M SORRY, WE'VE GOT YOU LISTED AT THIS ADDRESS.
WHAT ADDRESS, WHAT ADDRESS ARE YOU TRULY LOSING? BY THE TIME YOU EVEN GET DOWN TO THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET AN ENORMOUSLY DIFFERENT, UM, BATCH OF INFORMATION.
SO THE ENTIRE DYNAMICS OF THE INTERVIEW PROCESS CHANGES.
SO, UM, THREE SOCIAL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS NOT ISSUED BY SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.
THEY JUST COMPLETELY MADE THOSE UP.
UM, I ALSO SEE, AND IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN, IN YOUR TEST RUN, BUT I ALSO SEE THINGS LIKE THIS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER HAS BEEN USED IN A DEATH CLAIM.
SO THAT'S A FAIRLY COMMON ONE I SEE ABOUT EVERY OTHER TEST RUN.
THIS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER HAS BEEN USED IN A DEATH CLAIM.
SO SOMEONE HAS PASSED AWAY WITH THAT, THAT OWNS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
UM, THEY FILED THEIR, THEIR, UH, CLAIM ON IT SAYING THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, UM, PERSONALLY OWNS THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER HAS PASSED AWAY OR DECEASED.
AND SO THEY'RE STILL USING THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THAT SHOW, THAT GIVE AN IDEA THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TRUE FRAUD GOING ON THERE.
SO WITH THIS INFORMATION, IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE GOT, UM, VALID MONEY.
NOW, THERE'S AN INTERVIEW PROCESS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM ALSO, THAT ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THESE, AND TYPICALLY YOU'RE GONNA IDENTIFY THESE WITH THE PERSON SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, DEPENDING ON YOUR PROCESSES, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S, UH, DESIGNED FOR, UM, WITH THEM STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU OR SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU'RE HITTING THEM WITH THIS INFORMATION, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY RIGHT THERE, UM, THAT YOU NEED.
SO GETTING ON A BATCH FORMAT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A BROAD SPECTRUM.
UM, 78 OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, UH, THE INCOME INFORMATION CAME BACK AS ACCURATE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE INFORMATION YOU GET FROM THE INCOME, UH, ACCURATE IS THEIR CREDIT SCORES, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE MORTGAGE OWNERS, UM, WHAT AVAILABLE CREDIT THEY HAVE OUT THERE.
SO YOU CAN GET AN IMMEDIATE IDEA OF WHAT, UM, TYPE OF FINANCIAL STANDING THIS PERSON HAS AND WHAT ABILITY THEY MIGHT HAVE TO PAY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WORTH SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO IF YOU GET YOUR FINE IMMEDIATELY, IF YOU'VE GOT A REVENUE, UM, A REVENUE DEPARTMENT SET UP, YOU CAN SEND THEM IMMEDIATELY TO THE REVENUE DEPARTMENT, GET THE FINE PAID IMMEDIATELY AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT SITTING ON YOUR BOOKS.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PLUS.
UM, SO CREDIT SCORES AND COLLECTIBILITY, UH, I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS SECTION.
CREDIT SCORES CAN PROVIDE AN INDICATION OF THE PERSON'S FINANCIAL ACTIVITY AND ABILITY TO PAY.
UH, WITHIN THESE 78 CASES, 27 DEFENDANTS APPEAR TO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO PAY AT LEAST A PORTION OF THEIR FINES.
SO THAT'S FRIDAY, NOT IMMEDIATELY SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU.
FIVE OF 'EM HAD CREDIT SCORES RANGING FROM 601 TO 800, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD CREDIT SCORE AND SHOWS A VERY GOOD ABILITY TO PAY.
UH, THESE DEFENDANTS SHOW A STRONG ABILITY TO PAY FOR ILLEGAL OR SORRY FOR THEIR ILLEGAL EXPENSES.
UM, AND FOR ANY JUDGMENTS AGAINST THEM.
THE GROUP REPRESENTS 2% OF THE ENTIRE BRAND.
2% OF REPRESENTS 24,000 ANNUALLY.
UM, ONE INTERESTING CASE IN HERE, AND I JUST PULLED IT OUT JUST BECAUSE IT JUST SLAPS YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE.
ONE INDIVIDUAL OWNS TWO HOUSES AND A NEW CAR AND IS CURRENT ON ALL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS AND HAS MORE THAN $100,000 AVAILABLE CREDIT.
SO THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ASKING FOR LEGAL EXPENSES AND WAS GRANTED LEGAL EXPENSES.
AND HE OWNS TWO HOUSES, A CAR, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY CREDIT CARDS, BUT HE HAD A LIST, A LITANY OF CREDIT CARDS.
SO HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF 'EM THAT HAD OVER A HUNDRED DOLLARS ON IT.
IS THIS FROM INFORMATION IN COFFIN COUNTY? MM-HMM
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YEP.SO CREDIT SCORES 501 TO 600, AND THAT'S AVERAGE TO ABOVE AVERAGE.
IT HAS AT LEAST ABILITY TO PAY SOME OF THE FINES, UM, IF NOT ALL OF 'EM.
SO THESE DEFENDANTS SHOW A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF ABILITY TO PAY AS GROUP REPRESENTS 8.8% AS TOTAL APPLICATIONS AND MANAGING ADDITIONAL SAVINGS OF UP TO $105,600 ANNUALLY.
SO, UM, NOW THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL, IF YOU WANT TO GO EVEN FURTHER, UM, CREDIT SCORES INCLUDE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR DEFENDANTS WITH CREDIT SCORES LOWER THAN 500, ANOTHER 20 IN THERE.
AND I JUST PUT 4, 7, 5, OR 500.
SO THESE INDIVIDUALS WITH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS, UM, YOU CAN IDENTIFY AT LEAST SOME ABILITY TO PAY ON A PORTION OF IT.
SO OF THE 1.2 MILLION SPENT ON DIGIT DEFENSE, UM, SAVINGS CAN BE ACHIEVED BY IDENTIFYING THE MOST LIKELY PERSONS IN THE OVERALL GROUP OF DEFENDANTS.
UM, OF THE SAMPLE HAD AN AVERAGE TO VERY GOOD CREDIT SCORES AND FALL INTO THE GROUP, MOST LIKELY TO PAY FOR THE PORTION OF THEIR EXPENSES.
AND THAT EQUATES TO 129,600 ANNUALLY.
SO YEAH, THAT'S UP TO 129,000.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, WITH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, YOU CAN IDENTIFY OTHER, OTHER AREAS AND USING IT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS IF YOU HAVE A COLLECTION DEPARTMENT SET UP.
SOME OF THE GREAT THINGS WITH THE SYSTEM, WE USE IT IN OUR OWN COLLECTION DEPARTMENT, IS YOU CAN IDENTIFY AND SORT YOUR COLLECTION CAMPAIGNS BY, UM, SAY MORTGAGE OWNERS.
'CAUSE THIS IS, IT'S KEEPING A DATABASE OF EVERYBODY WHO'S EVER BEEN RAN IN THERE.
IT'S NOT STORED ON YOUR SYSTEM.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STORAGE ISSUES, BUT YOU CAN SORT YOUR COLLECTION CAMPAIGNS BY MORTGAGE OWNERS, OR YOU CAN SORT YOUR COLLECTION CAMPAIGNS BY HIGHER CREDIT SCORES.
THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT WASTING YOUR INTERNAL RESOURCES ON GETTING THAT HARD TO COLLECT MONEY.
YOU CAN OUTSOURCE IT TO, TO A COLLECTION AGENCY THAT LET THEM SPEND THE HARD TO GET MONEY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE HUGE BENEFITS.
UH, YOU'RE GETTING THE GOOD MONEY, THE, UH, EASIER MONEY AND IMPORTANT TO A COLLECTION AGENCY WHO CAN, UH, MAYBE HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND ON ON THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
AND THE INDIGENT HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN USE THIS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A HOSPITAL, YOU'VE GOT A CLINIC, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, WE HAVE A CLINIC, BUT WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT CLINIC.
IF THEY COME OVER HERE AND APPLY UHHUH AND THEY AND THEY QUALIFY, THEN YES.
I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE, DON'T CARE WHO WE PAY MM-HMM
UM, BUT, UH, BUT, SO ACTUALLY THE FREE CLINIC DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY IN OUR INDIGENT HEALTHCARE.
WELL, LIKE I WAS SAYING EARLIER, IT WAS DESIGNED AROUND HEALTHCARE.
UM, SO ALL YOUR HIPPO, UM, AND REGULATIONS ARE BUILT INTO IT.
UM, WHICH IS YOUR SECURITY ASPECT OF IT.
UM, IT WILL IDENTIFY ON THE HEALTH SIDE WHAT INDIVIDUALS QUALIFY BASED ON YOUR FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINES.
AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS OUT THERE WILL PAY FOR THE MEDICAL SERVICES IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING MEDICAL SERVICES.
UM, SO IT'LL IDENTIFY WHO QUALIFIES FOR MEDICAID, WHO QUALIFIES FOR SINGLE PREGNANT MOTHERS, WHO QUALIFIES FOR ANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAM OUT THERE THAT'LL PAY FOR IT.
AND THE NICE THING ABOUT IT, AND I'M GONNA REFERENCE A HOSPITAL SETTING IN THE HOSPITALS, THEY HAVE, UH, INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE WHO ARE SITTING AT THE REGISTRATION DESK AND THEN HOLDING PEOPLE'S HANDS TO GET, UM, THEM QUALIFIED FOR MEDICAID.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE ONLY GONNA QUALIFY THE INPATIENT ONES, THE ONES WHERE THE BIG MONEY IS, UM, OR MAYBE OUT OUTPATIENT, UM, SURGERY.
BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT BIG MONEY BECAUSE THEY GET A PERCENTAGE OF IT.
SO IT'S IDENTIFYING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO QUALIFIES.
SO EVEN IF IT'S AN OFFICE VISIT OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR MONEY ON IT, UM, BY ENROLLING HIM IN MEDICAID.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, HAD CAMAN COUNTY HAD THIS SOFTWARE IN PLACE DURING THE YEAR OF 2006, AND IT WOULD'VE SAVED US $129,600 UP TO UP TO THAT.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN LESS.
UM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING ACCURATE INFORMATION,
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UM, IMMEDIATELY.AND THAT COULD BE USED IN, IN DETERMINATION OF THE APPOINTMENT OF, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT OF, UH, PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE OR APPOINTED ATTORNEY, AS WELL AS COLLECTIONS, AS WELL AS COLLECTIONS, AS WELL AS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, WHEN I'VE BEEN TRAVELING AROUND TO SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES, SOMETIMES I JUST HAVE TO SIT BACK 'CAUSE EVERY EVERY COUNTY SEEMS TO, TO RUN THEIR LEGAL SIDE DIFFERENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A BIG LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE LEARNED, SOME OF 'EM ALSO, UH, DO THINGS SUCH AS THEY DISCOUNT THEIR PROBATION FEES, UM, BASED ON AN INDIVIDUAL CLAIMING THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE INDIVIDUAL COSTS.
WELL, IF THEY HAD ASKED FOR AN ENGINE, UH, OR IF THEY HAD ASKED FOR LEGAL SERVICES AND THEN YOU RAN THIS, YOU'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCOUNT THOSE.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GIVE THEM THE APPROPRIATE PROBATION FEE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD.
UM, SO KIND OF IN THE BACK DOOR, YOU'RE INCREASING REVENUE THAT WAY.
SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS IS THEY'VE ALSO STATED THAT THEY WILL, UM, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, AT CHARGING AN APPLICATION FEE FOR THIS PRODUCT.
SO, AND OR ROLLING OVER A, AN INDIGENT DEFENSE FEE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT OUT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THE PERSON CAN'T AFFORD IT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA RECOUP IT ON, ON THE ONES THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT.
SO, AND YOU'VE GOT THE INFORMATION, UH, CORRECT ADDRESS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY PURSUE THEM AT A LATER TIME IF THEY GET A JOB.
SO ON THE REVENUE SIDE COLLECTIONS, YES.
YOU MENTIONED A FEW TIMES ABOUT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS MM-HMM
$129,000, NOT INCLUDING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
NO, IT IS, IT'S INCLUDING THAT.
SO THERE'S NOT ANY ADDITIONAL SAVINGS.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL SAVINGS WHEN YOU INTERVIEW.
WHO DOES INTERVIEWING? IT'S GONNA BE THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE COURSE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOTTEN INTO LONG DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT COUNTIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ON WHERE THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
UM, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A PRESENTATION BEFORE, UM, BUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, SOME OF THE COUNTIES ARE JUST GRANTING THEM THE, UH, THE ATTORNEY, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER, AND THEN SENDING THEM DIRECTLY TO REVENUE SERVICES TO RUN THE SYSTEM TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN GET RE UH, BE RECOUPED.
ONE OF 'EM IS AS SOON AS THE INTAKE, UH, AS SOON AS THE INTAKE OR BOOKING, WE CAN SCREEN SCRAPE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, AND HAVE IT SITTING READY FOR ANYBODY WHO ASKED FOR ONE THE NEXT MORNING.
SO IF EVERYBODY'S BOOKED IN THE NIGHT BEFORE, SAY, I DON'T KNOW, 20 PEOPLE BOOKED IN THE NIGHT BEFORE, UM, WE SCREEN SCRAPE THE SYSTEM, GET MOST BASIC DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, HAVE IT SITTING, WAITING AT THE COMPUTER AS SOON AS SOMEONE ASKS THEY CAN PUSH THE BUTTON.
UM, YOU CANNOT RUN THE SYSTEM WITHOUT PERMISSIBLE PURPOSE.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNATURE, BUT IF THEY ASK FOR LEGAL SERVICES FROM A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RUN THE SYSTEM.
SO WE JUST SCREEN SCRAPED THE MOST BASIC DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, NAME, ADDRESS, POSSIBLY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IF NEEDED.
UM, HAVE IT WAITING IN A, A DATABASE.
AND WHENEVER THEY HAVE IT UP, THEY COME IN, I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
I WOULD LIKE ONE BUTTON TO BE, THEY PUSH THE BUTTON RIGHT THERE, AND THEN IT'S RAMMED.
AND YOU HAVE, UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PROCESS.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THERE WITH THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GO TO THIS ROOM OVER HERE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UM, YOUR ABILITY TO PAY OR THE GRANTING OF A, UH, OF A PUBLIC DEFENDER? AND THEN THE PUBLIC DEFENDER THEMSELVES MAY DO THE INTERVIEW REAL QUICK, BUT THE INTERVIEW DOES NOT TAKE VERY LONG.
BUT HAVING IT IN THE COURTROOM IMMEDIATELY, UM, IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE A BACK UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH.
SO ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE OUTSIDE.
NOW, HOW THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF, IT SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT.
UH, HATE TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD LIKE THIS, BUT, UH, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND ME, UH, EXACTLY HOW THAT'S BEING HANDLED NOW THAT YOU'RE ON BOARD.
AND, AND UNDERSTAND FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, THE DETERMINATION OF ENERGY DOES NOT COME FROM MY OFFICE.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD PUT US IN A SITUATION IF WE WERE SCREENING THAT, WHERE WE'D BE BASICALLY SELLING OUR OWN CLIENTS UP THE RIVER ONCE WE DETERMINED THEY WERE ELIGIBLE.
SO, SO WHAT WE, THE WAY WE HAVE IT STRUCTURED NOW IS JUDGE TAGT, THE SENIOR DISTRICT JUDGE HAS A DESIGNEE, WHICH HE'S ALLOWED UNDER SENATE BILL SEVEN, UH, WHICH SITS UP THERE NEXT TO HIS COURT COORDINATOR.
AND SHE'S THE PERSON OSTENSIBLY, AT LEAST, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SCREENING THOSE APPLICATIONS.
SO THE PRODUCT HE'S PITCHING, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING GOES INTO BEING ABLE TO USE THAT OR WHETHER OR NOT ONE
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PERSON IS SUFFICIENT TO DO THAT OR NOT.IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, BASED ON EXPERIENCE THOUGH, THE BEST AND EASIEST PLACE TO DO THIS WOULD BE AT THE VERY FRONT END OF THE PROCESS AFTER SOMEONE'S BEEN INITIALLY INCARCERATED.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST PER SUBMISSION.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU RUN FIVE NAMES OR 5,000 NAMES IN A MONTH.
IT SEEMS TO ME EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN THERE, ONCE THEY'VE BEEN IN JAIL FOR 48 HOURS AND HAVEN'T MADE BOND, JUST RUN THEIR NAME THROUGH THERE AND START A FILE AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T RUN THIS UNTIL YOU GET RIGHT.
THEY WOULD'VE TO APPLY FOR AN ATTORNEY.
CAN'T RUN UNTIL REPUTATION FOR THEM TO ASK FOR.
RIGHT? NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T RUN IT UNLESS THEY HAVE ASKED FOR INCIDENT OR LEGAL SERVICES.
AND THERE IS, IT'S A TIER BASED STRUCTURE, PRICING STRUCTURE.
SO THE MORE YOU RUN, MORE YOU RUN, IT'S GONNA COST EVERY SINGLE INQUIRY.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE MORE YOU RUN, IT'LL, IT MAY DROP TO A LOWER TIER PRICE TIER, BUT, UM, THAT IS THE PRICE STRUCTURE AS FAR AS ABILITY TO USE IT.
I'M THE MOST TECH UNKNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST PUSHING BUTTON KNIT ALLIES IT FOR YOU IN A RED, GREEN, YELLOW FORMAT SAYING, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS BAD.
THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY EASY.
WE, AS YOU KNOW, JUDGE, WE DO A POPPER OATH, WHICH IS AN INFORMATION PACKAGE.
WE DO THE INTERVIEW OUT THERE.
UH, AND IN THAT PROCESS THERE IS A, DO THEY WANT AN ATTORNEY AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND THEY GO FOR THE, THE ARRAIGNING MAGISTRATE OR THE, THE, UH, DAILY, UH, ARRAIGNMENT AND ADVISEMENT OF RIGHTS.
AND IF THEY CHECK THAT OFF, THEN THAT IS, COMES UP HERE TO THE COURTHOUSE OF THE APPROPRIATE COURT.
SO WE DO THE, UH, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT REVISING THE POP RESULTS.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THAT POP RESULTS INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT WE DO ALL OF THAT ON, ON ANYTHING ABOVE A, A CLASS C WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE PUT IN JUDGE PART OF THE BOOKING PROCESS, ISN'T THAT THE TURNAROUND TIME FROM THE TIME THEY DO THAT? SO THAT APPLICATION GETS UP TO, UH, IT SHOULD BE THE, THE JUDGES THAT BUSINESS DAY, THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY.
UH, IT'S, IT, IT'S RELATIVELY QUICK BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEONE DEDICATED TO SEE UNTIL WE GET UP HERE.
AND THEN COUNTY COURT OF LAW, UH, IF THEY DON'T GET UP HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY QUICK, THEN SHE'LL ACTUALLY SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE, JUDGE SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE TO GET THOSE.
BUT NORMALLY, UH, A CLERK THAT COMES TO THE COURTHOUSE THREE TIMES A DAY WOULD BRING THOSE TO THE APPROPRIATE COURT.
SO IT'S JUST, UH, VIRTUALLY NO LAG TILE THERE.
WE COULD ACT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE COULD ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THAT POPPER OFF INTO THE SYSTEM ITSELF.
AND THAT WAY, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE IT AT INTAKE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY, THEY COULD ACTUALLY PUT THE BUTTON AND RUN IF THEY SAY YES ON IT, UM, HAVE EVERYTHING WAITING AND READY NEXT MORNING.
THAT WAY YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THE SCREEN SCRAPE AND THE, AND THE DELETION A COUPLE DAYS LATER, THE ONES THAT WEREN'T RUN.
BUT THE SYSTEM'S PRETTY FLEXIBLE FOR, FOR THE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BE WITH, WITH EVERY COUNTY DOING IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO THIS STUDY WAS BASED ON 2 49 APPLICATIONS.
WAS THAT ALL THE APPLICATION WE HAD, JUDGE, OR WAS THAT JUST A, A RANDOM SAMPLING OF WE JUST ASKED FOR TWO 50, THOSE I COULDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW.
WE GOT IN THAT, I'M SURE THEY SENT US, THEY SENT US MORE THAN THAT, BUT I, I WENT THROUGH, DELETED THE DUPLICATES THERE, JUST GRABBED THE MOST RECENT UNTIL I GOT TO ABOUT TWO 50.
SO, SO THE SAVINGS ARE IN THERE.
IS THAT BASED ON THAT 249 OR IS THAT AN AVERAGE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR A WHOLE SYSTEM? OH, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA FORECAST IT OUT OR DESIGNED? YES.
LIKE, SAY THAT'S WHAT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR.
THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE HAPPY ACCIDENTS ON, ON ENGINE DEFENSE.
WE NEVER REALIZED NOBODY, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE COUNTIES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYBODY TO DO BUSINESS WITH.
AND WHEN, UM, UH, THE COMMISSIONER, ALBERT, KAREN COUNTY CAME IN AND TALKED TO US, WE JUST TOOK A STEP BACK AND DIDN'T REALIZE NO ONE ELSE HAD IT, DIDN'T NOTICE, DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS EVEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OUT THERE TO BE HAD.
SO ONCE WE TALKED TO NACO AND, AND THEY STATED THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY DO IT.
UM, AND THEN THEY PARTNERED WITH US AND KIND OF, THEY KIND OF SHOVED US OUT ON THE STAGE AND WE'VE BEEN RUNNING EVER SINCE.
SO THIS 1 29 DOESN'T INCLUDE HE NO, THAT'S ONLY IN DEFENSE.
SO COLLECTIONS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL, AND COLLECTIONS IS HARD TO QUANTIFY.
UM, I LOVE IT IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
I PUSHED FOREVER TO GET IT IN OUR OWN COMPANY IN THE COLLECTION DEPARTMENT, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, YOU CAN REALLY HONE IN AND, AND MAKE A BIG BANG PUSH, TAKE
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ONE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, TWO ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.ANY ADDITIONAL TAKE ANY LAURA, UH, WAS INVOLVED IN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING AS WELL, AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO BE MET TO DO THIS STUDY.
SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THE BEGINNING.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON CLOSE TO A YEAR NOW, HASN'T IT?
I THINK WE DIDN'T WE AUGUST LAST YEAR.
YEAH, ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT, AS LONG TIME.
I THINK THESE FIGURES IN HERE ARE VERY INTERESTING THAT OUR, OUR INSTANCE OF DEFENSE COST HAS INCREASED 215% OVER THIS PERIOD SINCE THAT LAW HAS PASSED.
AND THE STATEWIDE HAS ONLY INCREASED 63%.
THAT'S JUST FROM, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
THAT'S JUST FROM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE CAUSE OF THAT IS.
I'M SURE THERE'S MULTIPLE ISSUES.
I'M SURE KAMAN COUNTY ITSELF IS GREAT BEING AS CLOSE TO THE, TO THE METROPLEX.
I DID SEE, AND THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON, THE ADDRESSES THAT WERE PROVIDED, I MEAN, THERE'S ABOUT 50% ARE NOT FROM KAMAN COUNTY AREA.
SO THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF 50%, THAT'S JUST FROM MEMORY, BUT THERE'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE THAT, THAT ARE TRANSIENT.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HIGHWAY, BUT IT'S, WOW, I DON'T WANNA GET DALLAS COUNTY'S DOWN ON ME ALREADY, SO I'M GONNA
NOW, WE DISCUSSED, UH, ACTUAL ASSET RESEARCH.
THIS PROGRAM IS NOT DESIGNED FOR YET.
THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT, AND BY THE WAY, TRANSUNION HAS PURCHASED THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS SOFTWARE.
UM, SO TRANSUNION WAS WHERE WE WERE GETTING OUR DATA, AND THEY HAD GONE THROUGH, AND IT'S FINALIZED NOW.
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PRODUCT.
SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR, ABOUT THEIR BACKING OF THE PRODUCT AND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT.
AND THEY'RE A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY, SO I SHOULD ALSO GIVE SOME STRONG BACKING TO, TO THE SYSTEM.
BUT, UM, TRANSUNION ITSELF HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY TO DO ASSET VERIFICATION ALONG WITH THIS, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE ROLLED INTO THE SYSTEM AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST FOR IT OR ANYTHING, BUT AN ASSET VERIFICATION IS GOING TO INCLUDE, UH, LAND ACTUALLY OWNING A HOUSE.
SO WHAT THIS CURRENTLY IDENTIFIES IS IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE OUT THERE, SO IF YOU OWN IT OUTRIGHT, IT WON'T IDENTIFY THAT.
SO, BUT THEY HAVE A, A CONTRACTOR OWNED, THEY HAVE THE SPECS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FINAL SPECS.
SO THEY'RE WORKING ON, UM, INCORPORATING THAT IN THERE AND THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN ADVISED THAT OUR JUDGES ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE COST.
SO LET'S DISCUSS COST A LITTLE BIT WHILE YOU'RE HERE.
AND THE COST IS ROLLED INTO THE, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON THE BACK PAGE.
SO THAT 1 29 IS INCLUDING THE COST OF OUR SYSTEM.
SO THAT IS ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUAL INQUIRIES YOU DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR YEARLY BASIS.
UM, AND THE FIGURE, UH, AS FAR AS COST, I GOT OFF THE, UH, TASK FORCE
UM, SO I CAN'T, I COULDN'T GIVE AN EXACT, I I COULDN ONLY ESTIMATE, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA BE UNDER 400 A MONTH, WHICH IS GONNA KEEP IT AT THAT $11 A TIER.
NOW IF YOU INCORPORATE ANDREW, DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? 400 A MONTH? UH, JUDGE, I CAN, THIS MAY NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I, WELL, I I CAN EXTRAPOLATE IT.
OUR INTAKE IS AVERAGING BETWEEN 80 AND 90 CLIENTS A MONTH.
AND NATURALLY WE'RE NOT DOING ALL OF THOSE.
SO HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY, RIGHT? HOW MANY INQUIRIES YOU HAVE TO DO TO CALL OUT 80 PEOPLE STRICTLY FOR OUR OFFICE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THE BIG NUMBER IS, BUT IT ACTUALLY MAY BE CLOSE.
I, I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE Y'ALL ARRESTING A MONTH OVER FOUR.
OH, OH, I, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A BALLPARK FIGURE, BUT AGAIN, I, I WANT LOOK THAT TO SAY.
WELL, 400 IS JUST UNDER THE NEXT TIER, SO THAT'S KEEPING IT IN THE BOTTOM TIER.
IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS COLLECTIONS, THAT WOULD EASILY TAKE YOU DOWN TO THE, TO THE LOWER, TO THE NEXT TIERS, WHICH WOULD BE $8, UH, PER, UH, PER INQUIRY.
SO, BUT THIS, THIS WAS BASED STRICTLY ON INDIGENT DEFENSE, SO THAT THAT COST 400 A MONTH, $11.
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FIGURE WOULD THE ROIS, IT SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF WITHIN THREE MONTHS.UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BASED ON THE EXACT FORMULA THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
UM, NOW USING OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, YOUR, YOUR COST IS GONNA GO DOWN, WHICH COULD SPEED THAT UP, UM, WHICH WOULD SPEED THAT UP.
SO NOW, OKAY, WAS THERE A COST OTHER THAN THE $11 PER INQUIRY? NO.
WELL, I DID ROLL THAT INTO THE, INTO IT ALSO, BUT THERE IS A $20,000 IMPLEMENTATION FEE, WHICH IS ONE TIME YOU NEVER SEE IT AGAIN.
UM, THAT COVERS THE, UH, PROGRAMMING OF EVERYTHING, INCORPORATED ANY FORMS AND COMING OUT HERE AND TRAINING AND, AND OKAY.
Y'ALL GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T WE RUN THE, AND IT COMES UP WITH A CREDIT SCORE FROM NUMBER ONE TO 600, WHATEVER, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE DEFENDANT AND SAY, HEY, JUST WE SHOW THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU WHERE ARE WE LEGALLY ON THIS? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR SITUATION OF THAT? WELL, THIS ISN'T, HE HAVE TO GO BACK AND PROVE THAT HE IS UNDER THIS, UH, UNDER THIS 5 0 1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S GONNA BE A, A BUSINESS DECISION ON YOUR END.
THIS IS NOT GONNA SAY THIS PERSON GETS IT, THIS PERSON DOES NOT GET IT.
THIS IS JUST PROVIDING SOME BACKUP OF INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE A A, A MORE SOUND DECISION.
WE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT DEFENSE.
IS THIS, THIS ONE INCLUDE VICKY? YES.
SO WOULD THAT BE, I WANT HER HARASSMENT HITS OUR FIELD PER MONTH.
DO WE HAVE A FIELD? UH, ACTUALLY, UH, NO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES TO OH YEAH, THAT'S, AND I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT LAST TUESDAY IN A MINUTE.
YEAH, AS FAR AS, UH, UH, HELPING IT WOULD BE A TOOL FOR HER.
IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'D BE A TOOL FOR, FOR ANDREW AND A TOOL FOR DAPHNE.
SO WOULD THIS BE A $20,000 ONE TIME GIFT FOR THE INDIGENT CARRIER AND FOR THE RIGHT, FOR THE COUNTY? CORRECT.
WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE WEREN'T AS CONCERNED WITH, WITH THE TOOL FOR INDIGENT DEFENSE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE JUDGES HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID.
BUT I THINK ONE PLACE IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A REAL ASSET IS IN THE COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE COLLECTOR AN OPTION RIGHT THEN AND THERE TO VERIFY THAT THE INFORMATION THAT HE'S GIVEN US IS CORRECT.
SO IF AT ANY TIME THEY HAD TO ISSUE A WARRANT, THE SHERIFF WOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO PUT IT INTO HIS SYSTEM.
IT WOULD ALSO GIVE THEM IMMEDIATE INFORMATION THAT SAYS, YOU TELL ME YOU HAVE NO HOME, YOU HAVE NO ASSETS, YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY, BUT I SHOW HERE THAT YOU HAVE EMPLOYMENT, YOU HAVE A HOME, YOU HAVE A CAR, AND YOU ALSO, AND OR YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO HAVE CREDIT CARDS WHICH YOU COULD USE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF THIS BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THE JUDGE AND I FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS FROM THE COLLECTION STANDPOINT, WHICH IS THE BACKEND, THAT'S A, IN DEFENSE, JOHNNY, JOHNNY, ARE YOU HERE? NO, I'LL GO GET 'EM.
THE UPFRONT MONEY FOR INDIGENT INDIGENT DEFENSE SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY TOO WITH THIS INFORMATION UP FRONT RATHER THAN ON THE BACK END.
IT'S GREAT FOR COLLECTION, BUT UPFRONT, THIS IS GOOD TO GIVE ANDREW MORE WORK.
WELL, IT, IT ALSO FROM ANDREW'S STANDPOINT THAT IT GIVES YOU TRUE AND CORRECT PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THE FRONT END TO OUR DATABASES.
BUT THIS DATA, THIS DATA CAN FOLLOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH RIGHT TO THE END.
WE SHOULD KNOW COLLECTIONS JUST BY YOUR FACT.
BUT IF THE JUDGES AND HIS PEOPLE ARE ARE AGAINST THIS, UH, WELL, I'M NOT SURE THE JUDGES UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CRIMINAL APPLICATION AND HAVE THEY HAVE TO BE ON BOARD WITH THIS FOR IT TO REALLY WORK.
I MEAN, IF WE GET TO THE BACK END OF IT, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 1,000,002, NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COLLECT SOME OF IT.
I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO STOP SPENDING A MILLION TWOS.
I, BUT I THINK THAT FROM WHAT JUDGE NORVELL SAID, SHE WAS INTERESTED IN LOOKING FURTHER INTO IT.
THERE'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MISDEMEANOR AND FELONIES AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE, THE THINGS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT FROM THE JUDICIAL LEVEL.
WELL, I CAN'T TELL YOU JUST BY TALKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES ON, ON THE FELONY LEVEL, SOME OF THE HIGH PROFILE FELONY CASES.
I MEAN, YOU JUST WOULDN'T EVEN USE IT ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, THE COST IS GONNA BE SO MUCH ON THOSE AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
SO, AND YOU, IT IS A ONE BY ONE BASIS, SO YOU CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION NOT TO PUSH THE BUTTON ON THOSE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE TO DO THAT.
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IS NOT EVEN A QUESTION.UM, BUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE HIGHER PROFILE CASES, LIKE, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON FELONIES, UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE CASE BY CASE.
BUT DOES IT NOT SEEM THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE JUDGES ON BOARD WITH THIS BEFORE THIS IS GONNA HELP US ANY ACTUALLY, YOU ONLY NEED ONE JUDGE ON BOARD SINCE HE'S, HE HAS DA.
I WOULD TELL YOU ALSO THESE I RUN, EXCUSE ME, GO AHEAD.
MISDEMEANORS THOUGH, JUDGE NORVELL DOES THAT HERSELF.
JUDGE NORVILLE DOES THAT ALL YEAH.
MISDEMEANOR APPOINTMENTS DO NOT GO THROUGH DAPHNE.
COORDINATOR, JUDGE NORVELL WOULD NEED TO BE ON BOARD.
WHAT I THINK FROM WHAT, WHEN I'VE TALKED TO HER, SHE, UH, SHE'S ON BOARD FOR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP.
HER CONCERN TO ME WAS THE COST, WAS THE COST BENEFIT OUT.
ARE WE GONNA BENEFIT FROM JUDGE THE MEETING WE HAD THE OTHER DAY, WASN'T THERE SOME MENTION OF LICENSING PER SEAT OF THE CURRENT? WELL, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION COST.
UM, THERE IS, IT'S, THE 20,000 INCLUDES FIVE USERS.
UM, I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10 PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO IT, BUT ONLY FIVE PEOPLE CAN USE IT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THAT'S GONNA COVER THE 20,000.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD BE IN ANYWAY.
IS THAT 20,000 INCLUDED IN THAT A HUNDRED THAT SAVINGS AT, AT END THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? GEORGE, YOU, I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP THERE.
I TURNED OVER TO YOU NOW IF YOU HAD ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, WHAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE DATA, THE CRITERION FOR THE SELECTION OF DATA? IT WAS OUT OF THE BOOKEND SYSTEM.
IT WAS ALL THOSE CASES WHERE THERE WAS A COIN OF A COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY APPOINTED WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER IT WAS FINALLY ADJUDICATED OR WHAT, WHERE IT WAS IN THE SYSTEM.
BUT THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE CONCURRENT SEATS.
I MEAN, AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO, AND I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY BROAD SPECTRUM.
50,000 IS THE MOST ANY COUNTY, I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S LOS ANGELES COUNTY,
AND THAT GIVES YOU 20 PLUS USERS.
SO I, I WOULD THINK YOU'VE, YOU WOULD FALL IN THE, THE FIVE USERS.
I NEED MORE THAN THAT AT ANY ONE TIME.
IS THERE AN ANNUAL FEE WITH THIS? NO, THAT'S CHARGE.
RIGHT? THAT'S AT $11 FOR FOUR KIDS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IS, UH, SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP AND, UH, TRAVIS, I'LL ADVISE YOU WHEN THE WORKSHOP'S GONNA BE DONE IN CASE YOU WANNA COME BACK AND OKAY.
IN CASE ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, UH, BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER RATHER WAS POINTING OUT AND, UH, THE OTHERS, UH, WE NEED TO VISIT WITH THE JUDGES.
MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GO TO THIS EXPENSE, THAT IT'LL BE UTILIZED.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON THE TIMEFRAMES OF THAT WORKSHOP? UH, WITH THE LEGISLATURE IN SESSION? IT'S SOMETIMES WORKING IT IN.
WE'LL GET IT WORKED IN HERE PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, CONTACT YOU OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH LAURA HUGHES? YEAH, YOU CAN STAY IN CONTACT WITH LAURA.
LAURA KNOWS HOW YOU CAN CONTACT WITH.
BYE ANDREW, YOU GOT THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE'RE GOING TAKE YOU BEFORE YOU DON'T HAVE AROUND JUDGE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY MY ITEM.
THAT'S WHY I STUCK MY HEAD IN.
UH, NEXT ONE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PASSING A RESOLUTION REGARDING CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS GRANT.
WE HAVE TO DO THIS EACH YEAR ON JUST ABOUT EVERY GRANT WE HAVE.
THAT'S ONLY, AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE, UH, FUNDING, UH, UH, ANDREW'S, UH, OPERATION OVER THERE.
HE'D LIKE TO GET A PAYCHECK EVERY NOW AND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
OKAY, ANDREW, YOU ONBOARD ANOTHER LITTLE WHILE.
NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THE, UH, UH, ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA THAT I POSTED.
UH, MOVED TO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, CHUCK KIMBRO WAS HERE FROM AUSTIN, AND, UH, EVIDENTLY THE WATER ON 35 WENT DOWN.
AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TROUBLE GETTING HERE THIS MORNING? NO, SIR.
UH, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS
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GOVERNMENT CODE AND CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION BY TERRY CROW.MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
SO WE'LL, UH, MOVE INTO THE SECOND, UH, YOU'RE STILL WA ON COMMISSIONER.
THERE IS NO ACTION, UH, TAKEN IS WILL BE TAKEN REGARDING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TOPIC.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WITHDRAWING OPPOSITION TO THE CREATION OF MOORE FARM WATER CONTROL AND IMPROVEMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, CAMAN COUNTY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS NUMBER 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
UH, LOS ALAMOS, UH, MUD, UH, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR, TRIPLE CREEK MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND LEDBETTER UTILITY DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO, I THINK.
UH, JUST ABOUT ALL OF THESE, LIE AND MR. CLARK'S PRECINCT? YES, SIR.
NOW YOU DID GET A PIECE OF THAT, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ALL OF THESE AND THEY'VE ALL MADE ARRANGEMENTS, ARRANGE NOT JUST TALK TO, BUT HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT THEY'RE IN.
I'VE GOT, UH, YOU GOT COPIES OF IT.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE COPIES OF IT, I SUPPOSE.
LETTERS FROM SCHOOL DISTRICT, RESPECTIVE CITIES, UH, SUPPORT.
UM, SO YOU'D MAKE THE MOTION THEN TO WITHDRAW OUR OPPOSITION.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
ANY DISCUSSION? DIDN'T WE JUST PASS THE RESOLUTION HERE? THREE, FOUR WEEKS, ALL MUD.
THIS IS NOT ALL OF 'EM THOUGH, JIM.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND GOT THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITIES AND THE SCHOOLS.
WE OPPOSED IT UNLESS THEY GOT APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.
THAT'S WHY WE DID IT, BECAUSE SOME OF 'EM WERE TRYING TO MAKE AN END RUN.
AND WE DECIDED THEY NEED TO GO UP THE MIDDLE.
AND, AND HOW DOES THIS AFFECT US WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION AND WATER? NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR WORRY THEN.
NOW THIS IS NOT FILING A PLAT.
NOW, WHEN THEY FILE, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAT FOR DIVISION, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, WATER SUPPLIES AND DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT WILL COME IN AS WELL AS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WELL, EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THESE IS FACT ON, EXCEPT FOR ONE'S NOT GONNA FALL FLAT FOR THE COUNTY.
ALL WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CITY AND THE, THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WELL, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE HAVE LETTERS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY.
YEAH, I SAYING THAT THEY HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THESE PEOPLE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE NOT SAYING WE ARE ENDORSING THEM.
WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE WITHDRAWING OUR OPPOSITION TO THEM.
ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION? NO.
NEXT HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE SETTLE WILLIAMSON COUNTY SURPLUS ROLLING SHELVES THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
CAN WE DO THAT, JACK? YES, SIR.
UH, SECTION 2 63 0.152 OF EVERY CODE AUTHORIZED US TO, UH, UH, INTER LOCAL WITH A, WITH A COUNTY OR A, UH, CITY WITHIN OUR COUNTY.
UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IN THE PAST, UH, THE SHELLS HAVE BEEN GROUPED WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS FOR AUCTION.
WE'VE ALSO, LAST TIME HAD TRUSTEE REMOVE THOSE SHELLS, CARRIED IT FROM SCRAP, AND THIS TIME WINS COUNTY HAS.
UH, SO THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE THESE.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, NOW WE CAN SELL 'EM TO WHAT THE SCRAP VALUE IS, BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO REMOVE FROM WE COUNTY COME AND DO THAT FOR US.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST, UH, HANDLE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
NEXT, WE HAVE DISCUSSED CONSIDER PURCHASING A RECORDING SYSTEM FOR COLTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND SIGNING
UH, JUDGE, THIS IS A, UH, GRANT FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNANCE, UH, FOR 25,000 FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UH, THEY RECEIVED THREE BIDS AND
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THE, THE LOW BIDDER WAS 24,004.UH, THEY HAD A COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWED ALL THESE, UH, SPECS AND THIS IS THE, UH, VENDOR THAT THEY HAD CHOSEN.
AND, UH, I, THOSE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ERS SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN.
NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS CONSIDERATION OF KEITH WHEELER FOR THE COLTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DING.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
NOW EMBARK MOTION PREPARE CABLE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 0 4 A IN PRECINCT NUMBER ONE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TELLER.
UH, WE HAVE A DALLAS CROWN REPORT FOR THE ENDING THREE 16.
JUDGE, I HEARD THAT THEY SENT ALL THEIR PEOPLE HOME LAST WEEK, SO I ASSUME THAT THESE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO COME TO AN END.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
OH, IT DID SAY THEY SENT, THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, IT DIDN'T SAY ALL OF IT SAID THEY SENT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKERS' HOME.
I MOVE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS REPORT.
SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
ALL IN MOTION CARRIED LINE THIS MORNING.
HOW WE LINE TRANSFERS COUNTY COURT OF LAW FOR EXTRA HELP.
2000 REDUCTION IN IN COURT COORDINATOR COSTS THE FIRE MARSHAL DEPARTMENT INCREASED TRAINING EDUCATION IN CONFERENCE 200 IN PRODUCTION AND MILEAGE CONSTABLE PRECINCT ONE.
7,000 WITH PRODUCTION IN, IN MILEAGE MILLS AND LODGING OF 1200.
AND UH, EXCHANGE OF CAR COSTS OF 7,000.
COMFORTABLE PRECINCT AND 50 REDUCTION IN MILEAGE PRECINCT.
6,000 CARS AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE INCREASED AMMUNITION.
UH, Y'ALL LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE THAT NEW THINK SOMETHING ELSE.
OH, WE NEED TO ASK CHUCK WHILE IT'S HERE.
I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AFTER.
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OF COURSE YOU DO.THAT
WHERE THEY AT&T? ON MY UH OH, STILL JUST TO YOUR OWN ONE OF BACK.
YEAH, THAT'S THE NUMBERS WHERE THE CALL FROM.
I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT SOMETHING HAD NOTHING TO DO.
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HOPE YOU PUT GOOD USE LIKE THAT.JUST HE THE ONE THAT SAID 30 TO BE LEGAL, NOT JUST YOU.
DO YOU SEE, DO YOU SEE UP ANOTHER PROBLEM WE BENEFITS IF YOU PRICE PER YOU DO TO FOR A CONTRACT.
HE BOUGHT IT AND THEN THE AUCTION PEOPLE SAID, I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
THAT'S NOT, I WORK OVER SO MANY HOURS.
YOU SEEMED TO ME LIKE WE HAD PARTTIME EMPLOYEE.
WE GOT WE GOT TWO OR THREE TELL THERE EVERY DAY.
DAY
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK ANY THIS WEEK.
TO SEE HOW MUCH MONEY THIS IN DEFENSE AND HELP THING, THAT PRESENTATION COULD SAVE LOT MONEY.
WE MAY HAVE TO GET THE BUDGET BEFORE WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
NOT ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO SCAN CAT.
THAT'S A HOW, WHAT'S THE CONTRACT SALE ON BOEING? IT SAYS
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YOU SEE DECISION JAIL? NO, IT'S JUST FLOWING DOWNHILL FAST AS IT CAN GO FAST.BEFORE WE, WHO DID YOU HAVE LAST TUESDAY? WE TOOK TESTIMONY AT THE INDIGENT, UH, HEALTH, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE UNDER THE, UH, HEALTH COMMITTEE.
AND UH, THE ROOM WAS PRETTY FULL.
UH, THEY HAD THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS THERE.
OF COURSE, THEY TESTIFIED THAT YES, THEY WANTED TO SEE AN INCREASE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THEY DID.
BUT EVERY COUNTY THAT WAS THERE, UH, INCLUDING THE LADY WHO HEADS THE INDIGENT HEALTH FOR THE STATE, SHE TESTIFIED AGAINST THE BILL.
UH, EVERY COUNTY THAT WAS THERE TESTIFIED AGAINST THE BILL.
JIM MAL GAVE, GAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION.
HE WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF IT WHILE THE LAW CAME INTO PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WHAT THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTIES AND THE STATE WAS, AND LEGISLATURE WAS AT THE TIME THE BILL WAS PASSED.
UM, AND UH, THE ONLY HEATED WAS COMMISSIONER BEATTY FROM ROCKWALL.
I THOUGHT HE AND JIM JACKSON WERE GONNA GET INTO IT A COUPLE TIMES.
UH, BUT, UM, UH, ANYWAY, IT, IT APPEARED EVERY TIME.
EVERY PERSON THAT THAT SPOKE AGAINST THE BILL, JIM
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JACKSON ASKED HIM, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT 25%? AND HE'D ASK, WOULD YOU AGREE TO 25%? NOBODY AGREED TO ANYTHING.NOBODY FROM THE COUNTY SAID, YEAH, 25% IS GREAT OR LESS.
I ANTICIPATE FROM THE TONE THAT IT WAS THAT OUT OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY TO 25% OF POVERTY.
25% OF POVERTY WOULD BE WHAT IS POVERTY? POVERTY IS UH, ABOUT 1800 A MONTH.
WHAT IS THAT NOW, JUDGE? WHAT'S THE 21%? WHAT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE LAWS IS WORD IS THAT EACH COUNTY HAS SUSPEND OR IS, IS LIABLE UP TO 8% OF THEIR TAXABLE INTAKE IN REVENUE.
UH, AND IF YOU GO OVER 8%, THEN THE STATE WILL REIMBURSE YOU IF THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE.
SO TO HAVE BEEN, BUT JIM JACKSON'S THINKING IS THIS, THAT IF IT WOULD BE INCREASED TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEN THE PEOPLE WOULD NOT GO TO PARKLAND HOSPITAL.
THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE BENEFITS HERE IN THE COUNTY AND THEY'D STAY HERE IN THE COUNTY AND NOT GO TO PARKLAND.
THAT'S THE THINKING BEHIND INCREASING THIS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
HALF OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES I KNOW WOULD QUALIFY FOR INDIGENT AVENUE.
NOW ON, ON THE, THAT'S WHY EVEN IN 25% HE FEELS THAT THERE'S STILL GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE GETTING THE HELP HERE.
BUT I, I POINTED OUT THAT LOOK, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME MAKE APPLICATION JUST BECAUSE WE GET A BILL FROM PARKLAND OR GET A BILL OR SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANT YOU TO PAY IT.
WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY PAY IT.
VICKY GOES OUT TO THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
THEY MAKE, SHE MAKES SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A NEW CAR SITTING IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SHE MAKES SURE THAT THEY LIVE WHERE THEY SAY THEY LIVE.
AND I MEAN THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND, AND, AND THEN SHE SEARCHES TO MAKE SURE THEY HADN'T MAXED OUT IN VAN Z COUNTY.
MOVE OVER HERE WITH AN AUNT AND THEN REAPPLY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST US GETTING A BILL AND THEN WRITING A CHECK FOR IT.
AND UH, AND, AND I I HAVE FUSSED IN DALLAS COUNTY FOR YEARS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A SEARCH TOOL.
YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THESE PEOPLE.
JUST WRITE ME A LETTER AND SAYING, ACCORDING TO DALLAS COUNTY STANDARDS, THESE PEOPLE ARE INDIGENT.
AND I WRITE 'EM BACK AND SAY, ACCORDING TO COSTMAN COUNTY STANDARDS, THEY'RE NOT INDIGENT.
NOW ONE OF THE BILLS THAT WE ARGUED AGAINST ALSO IS THAT IF A COUNTY PROVIDES THE SERVICES SUCH AS DALLAS COUNTY AND THEY SEND THE BILL TO THE OUTLYING COUNTIES, THE CRITERIA THAT THEY GO BY IS THE STANDARD IN DALLAS COUNTY, NOT KAUFMAN COUNTY.
NOW THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER BILL THAT'LL RIP US.
UH, JACKSON FILED SIX BILLS ALL PERTAINING TO WAYS TO GET KAUFMAN COUNTY'S MONEY.
DID HE GIVE UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THE ONE THAT SAYS THAT IF WE DON'T USE IT ALL THEY GOTTA SEND IT TO THE COMPTROLLER? NO, THEY HADN'T GIVEN UP ON THAT YET.
THAT WAS WEST HAS IT WAS HASS.
BUT WE WEST HAD THAT ALSO IN WEST AND HIS BILL AS IF THEY CREATED THE 200% OF PROPERTY AND IT GOES 200% OF PROPERTY.
THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE THAT'S GONNA QUALIFY.
WELL, I'LL JUST DROP MY WIFE OFF THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, THEY'RE JUST NOT, OH, AND THEN THAT'S IN THAT COMMITTEE.
NOW YOU GOTTA REMEMBER AT ANOTHER COMMITTEE, THEY'RE OVER HERE SAYING, ALRIGHT, WELL WE'RE GOING TO CAP YOU WHERE YOU CAN'T TAKE IN ANY MORE REVENUE.
YOU'RE SAYING OVER HERE WE'RE GOING HAVE TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR MORE AND OVER HERE SAYING, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT.
OH, WHERE'S COMMISSIONER JIM JACKSON WAS COMMISSIONER IN DALLAS COUNTY WHEN HE WAS A COMMISSIONER IN DALLAS COUNTY.
HE STILL FOUGHT FOR PARKLAND HOSPITAL, WHICH HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
I MEAN, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS.
I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT HE REPRESENTS.
IT'S JUST THAT I DISAGREE WITH IT.
JUDGE, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE AT ALL OF THAT BILL ABOUT UNFUNDED MANDATES EVER PASS? NO, BECAUSE THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IN UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT'S SURE.
EDUCATION SYSTEM UNFUNDED MANDATES, THEY'RE GONNA HIT, I CAN'T,
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I THINK ABOUT FIVE OR SIX UNFUNDED MANDATES.BUT THERE IS THAT BILL THAT'S, THAT'S DONE THERE.
BUT THE, THE MOST PREVALENT ONES THAT IT'S NOT REALLY AN UNFUNDED MANDATE IF IT'S MORE, IF IT'S UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
RIGHT, BUT THAT'S IN AN AGGREGATE THAT DIDN'T.
THAT'S AN AGGREGATE FOR THE WHOLE, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF, EACH ONE OF 'EM WAS MILLIONS.
WELL, IT'S JUST LIKE THE INDIGENT DEFENSE.
THEY DID NOT CONSIDER THAT AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, EVEN THOUGH WE WENT FROM 200,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS, THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER AN UNFUNDED MANDATE BECAUSE THEY SENT US $36,000.
ANYWAY, I, I GET OFF MY SOAPBOX.
IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING AND, UH, YOU JUST HOPE THAT, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE DOWN THERE WITH ENOUGH SENSE THAT THEY'LL SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING UP AUSTIN.
UH, HAVING SAID THAT, COMMISSIONER LER SAYS IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO GO? COMMISSIONER SAYS HE'LL LEAVE ALSO.