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JUDGE FRANK, MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK THEY FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER TOGETHER LIKE THIS.
TO DO THE S OF THE COUNTY, PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON US WITH FAVOR AND GIVE US THE, UH, KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS.
I THINK THE PRESENTED US THE LIFE GIVING REIGN THAT WE ALWAYS NEED.
AS USUAL, LOOK UPON OUR TROOPS WITH FAVOR AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARMED WAY, AND BRING THEM HOME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ALL THE, ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS NAME ALL.
YOU JOIN US IN THE LEDGE OR FLAG, PLEASE.
FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
I PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS FROM OUR, NONE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN.
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON PETITION REQUESTING CREATION OF WOLF CREEK FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.
THERE WAS NO TIME SET ON THAT OTHER THAN THE MR. COURTNEY AT NINE 30.
SO, UH, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO, TO MOVE FROM A REGULAR MEETING TO PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PETITION REQUESTING CREATION OF WOLF CREEK, FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT OF KAMAN COUNTY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
SECONDED BY, GIVE JURY A SECOND ON THAT.
A MOTION CARRIES SO WE CAN MOVE FROM OUR REGULAR SESSION INTO A PUBLIC
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HEARING.THERE IS A SIGNUP SHEET UP HERE FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, ON THE, UH, PETITION REQUESTING THE CREATION OF WOLF CREEK, FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT OF KAMAN COUNTY, OR AGAINST, EITHER OR AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BILL AT THE TOP.
WE RESTRICT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES DISAPPEARING.
WHEN IT COMES TO MY, MY MONEY.
IT'S NOT COMING OVER TO GET THE MOTOR WENT.
I CAME BY AND LOOKED, WENT BY, SAID WELL, BETTER.
I TOLD MY GUYS, I SAID, HE SAID, JUST GET IT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THE WOLF CREEK MATTER.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, UH, WE'VE NOTICED A YOUNG LADY IN OUR AUDIENCE THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE BETTY BROWN.
HI BETTY AND HER HUSBAND RON
RON, UH, THE FIRST PERSON WE HAVE THAT, UH, WANTS TO GO ON RECORD,
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UH, AND I HOPE ALL OF YOU NOTICE THERE AT THE TOP SPEAKERS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO THREE MINUTES EACH.UH, THE FIRST PERSON WE HAVE IS SUNNY GROSS FROM, UH, HE LIVES AT 12 6 5 0 COUNTY ROAD 3 48 TEXAS.
I CHALLENGE THE FORM AND ALLEGATIONS OF PETITION AND CONTEST.
THE PROPOSITION THAT THE PROJECT PROPOSED DISTRICT WOULD BENEFIT THE LAND INSIDE.
WHEN PETITIONED TO KAMAN COUNTY, THE PETITION DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ACCEPTED.
NO ONE HAS LIVED ON THE PROPERTY IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
HAS THE COUNTY REVIEWED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PETITION? THE TWO STATED ELECTORS WERE NOT QUALIFIED SIGNING THE PETITION.
THEY'RE NOT ELECTORS, THEY DON'T LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
EXHIBIT B TO THE PETITION, NOT A PROPERTY DESCRIPTION OF THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE PROPOSED DISTRICT.
TRACK ONE STATES THAT IT'S IN KAUFMAN AND IN BAY COUNTY.
TRACK THREE DOES NOT STATE WHICH COUNTY IT IS LOCATED.
TRACK FOUR IS ONLY LISTED AS BEING, AGAIN, PETITION IS NOT SUFFICIENT UNDER THE TEXAS WATER CODE 3 0 18 NOTICES WERE NOT FILED FOR, THERE WERE NO NOTICES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED DISTRICT.
DOES THE COUNTY HAVE WRITTEN STATEMENT AS REQUIRED BY TEXAS WATER CODE 53.0 18 SUBSECTION A AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 53 0 18 B TEXAS WATER CODE? THE INFORMATION IN THE PETITION AND PROPOSED PROJECTS WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE LAND WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT.
THERE WERE NO NOTICES AT THE PROPOSED DISTRICT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS WATER COMPANY.
WAS THE NECESSITY FOR PROPOSED DISTRICT WAS THE FEASIBILITY AND THE PETITIONS PACKAGE IS STATED THAT THE WOOD CREEK AREA IS NOT.
ALSO WHY DOES THE PETITION STATE THE COUNTY SUPPORT THE DISTRICT.
AND WHAT MEETING WAS THIS AT? IT HAD BEEN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT PACKAGE OF THE PETITION THAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO ASPHALT COUNTY ROAD 3 48 UP TO THEIR PRIVATE GATE.
WHEN WAS THIS APPROVED BY THE COURT ALSO.
WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING AMOUNT THAT ARE THERE WITHOUT ASPHALT? THIS IS ONLY A PROPOSED POSSIBLE COUNTY CHECK TO SEE WHO OWNS THE LAND AND WHO'S ELIGIBLE TO SIGN THE PETITION.
IT SUGGEST THE PIPELINE GOES FROM WEST TEXAS.
SELECT BOND OVER NEAR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S NOTHING BY ABOVE THE GROUND WATERPROOF THE PANHANDLE.
WE JUST LEFT THE, AND THERE WAS STILL NO THANK YOU SIR.
NEXT PERSON WE HAVE TO SPEAK IS DAVID HOMAN.
UH, MR. HORMAN LIVES AT 1 2 4 7 3 COUNTY ROAD 3 48.
AND WANTS SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE WOOD CREEK PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, AS A LANDOWNER RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, UM, I
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HAVE NOT BEEN PERSONALLY CONTACTED IN ANY WAY.I HAD TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS ON THE INTERNET.
AND, UM, SO I'M A LITTLE UPSET THAT MY ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS NEVER HAD ANY TYPE OF TOWN MEETING, ANY TYPE OF, UH, PRINTED OR MAILED INFORMATION, OR EVEN JUST PICKED UP THE PHONE, CALLED ME OR COME OUT AND KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND SAID, HEY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS.
UM, THE NEXT THING IS, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED A WATER DISTRICT THERE.
ELMO WATER SUPPLY SUPPLIES THE WATER, AND ANY DEVELOPER, ALL THE DEVELOPERS IN IN THE AREA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY ELMO TO BRING THE WATER TO THEM.
AND I JUST HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY FOR A WATER DISTRICT.
UM, I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S TALK OF CHANGING UP ROADS, UH, THE ROADS SPECIFICALLY THAT I LIVE ON.
AND WHEN I BOUGHT MY PLACE, I BOUGHT IT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE, UH, DIRECTLY TO WILLS POINT DOWN COUNTY ROAD 3, 4 8 TO TAKE MY CHILD, MY CHILD, UH, TO THE WILLS POINT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND NOW THEY'RE TALKING OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THAT PATH, WHICH IS, UH, CHANGES THE VALUE OF THE LAND THAT I OWN, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I GET TO LIVE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, I, I HEAR THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 69 HOUSES DEVELOP OUT THERE.
I MOVED OUT THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO LIVE A RURAL LIFESTYLE.
I GREW UP IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND I WANTED TO HAVE MY CHILD GROW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS RURAL.
AND 69 HOUSES IS LIKE NOT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING OUT THERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPER'S GOT THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE HAD BUT WANTS TO DO WITH THE LAND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THAT LAND IS NOT REALLY, UH, THE GROWTH PATTERNS AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S NOT READY FOR THAT AREA.
NOW, THE MARKETPLACE FOR HOUSING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEWS SLIGHTLY, BUT THE MORTGAGE MARKETS GOING DOWN THE TUBES.
THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IS, IS SOFTENING CONSIDERABLY, UM, DUE TO OVERBUILT.
AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF MARKET INFORMATION TELLS THE BUILDER THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE THE DEVELOPERS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LACK OF INFORMATION ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, THE OTHER ASPECT THAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THAT THIS USED TO BE AN AGGREGATE MINING, UH, OPERATION IN THAT LOCATION.
AND, UM, I'M WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW, SOME WAY MAYBE THAT COULD START BACK UP.
UM, UH, AND JUST THE OVERALL PERSPECTIVE I HAVE IS THAT THERE'S BEEN NO OPEN INFORMATION OR PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT ALL.
ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. MIKE BOSWELL, 81 17 PRESTON DALLAS.
SPEAK TO US ON THE WOLF CREEK PROJECT.
AND COMMISSION THE COURT IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR, OR PREFER, UH, I'LL HOLD MY REMARKS UNTIL EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE SO.
AND I HAVE BROUGHT A TEAM HERE THAT IS INTENDING AND HOPES TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
WOULD THAT BE BETTER? MM-HMM
BRIAN PICKENS IS WITH YOU? YES, SIR.
THAT BRINGS US TO TRAVIS BUSTER BUS BUSTER.
SOME OF YOU GUYS WRITE LIKE I DO.
I WAS EDUCATED IN KAUFMAN COUNTY LOW.
UH, YOUR HONOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I I I COULD MAKE HIS COMMENTS.
MR. BUSTER LIVES AT, UH, 15 78, 1 25.
ARE WE READY? WELL, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS POINT OUT THE LIABILITY THAT'S LIABLE TO BE CREATED BY FOUR KAUFMAN COUNTY CITIZENS WHEN THIS OCCURS.
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ARE AWARE, I'M SURE YOU ARE.OF THE ARLINGTON CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THE, UH, CONDEMNATION OCCURRED AND THE CITIZENS OF ARLINGTON ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY THE BILLS FOR THE CONDEMNATION OF OCCURRED.
SO AS THESE CONDEMNATIONS GO FROM HERE TO AMARILLO, WHEREVER THEY SHOULD BE, ANY OF THE, UH, LIABILITIES ARE CREATED ARE LIKELY TO BE COME BACK TO HOFFMAN COUNTY.
I, I SPEAK FOR THIS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY I MADE MY MONEY IN SOFTWARE, BUT I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT UTILITY DISTRICTS LATELY, THANKS TO KAUFFMAN COUNTY MUD NUMBER THREE, AND WE'RE STILL INVOLVED WITH LITIGATION WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE, UH, WE'VE HAD GLEN SIDE, WHO'S AN ATTORNEY OF COURSE, CAN Y'ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH HIM, WHO SAID THAT THE UTILITY DISTRICT HAS CREATED THE MOST ONEROUS EASEMENT THAT THEY'VE SEEN IN 30 YEARS WITHOUT AN APPRAISAL, SAY IT'S THE MOST ONEROUS EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN CREATED IN 30 YEARS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, UH, EASEMENT, OR AT LEAST ALLEGED EASEMENT DOES, IS ATTEMPT TO REMOVE A HOMESTEAD.
AND I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE FAMILIAR WITH EASEMENTS, AND THE ABILITY TO REMOVE A HOMESTEAD FROM AN EASEMENT DOESN'T EXIST.
THEY, UH, REMOVE ALL RIGHTS FROM OUR PROPERTY, INCLUDING AGRICULTURE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TO USE THIS.
THEY REMOVED OUR RIGHTS TO HAVE FENCES.
THAT IS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMOVE, KEEP, REMOVE THE FENCES.
THAT INCLUDES OUR BOUNDARY LINES.
SO BETWEEN US AND OUR, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, THERE WILL BE NO ABILITY TO HAVE A FENCE AND TO KEEP OUR LIFESTYLE IN PLACE.
THE EASEMENT IS 90 FEET, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS 20 FEET.
SO THERE'S, I COULD GO ON AND I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME, BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THE ONEROUS EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE, LET'S SAY, ENTREPRENEURIAL BINS THAT'S BEING GENEROUS THAN A TYPICAL CITY WOULD.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS TO POINT OUT THE LIABILITY THAT'S LIKELY TO BE CREATED BY OR THE CITIZENS OF KAMAN COUNTY.
IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
I'D FIVE TO, UH, WE'RE JUST TAKING, YEAH.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE IS, UH, JAMES, I, NOW THIS I CAN READ THE LETTERS.
I JUST CAN'T PRONOUNCE, IE, IE.
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THANK YOU, JUDGE JIM COMMISSIONERS, UH, I'M NOT EITHER OPPOSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NEITHER AM I FOR, UH, AND THE REASON BEING IS I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
UH, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE TO THE VEST FOR DECISIONS THAT LIVE IN KAMAN COUNTY BECAUSE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD RECENTLY, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, UH, FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND ASK FOR, UH, A WATER DISTRICT LIKE THIS, AND FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST WEEK ABOUT THESE THINGS, I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE BECAUSE NOBODY'S EVEN TOLD ME THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY EPA STUDIES, ANY GROWTH STUDIES, ROAD IMPACT STUDIES, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IF YOU PUT IN SIX, NINE FAMILIES, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO IMPROVE IN IT.
IT SOUNDS ALL POSITIVE AS FAR AS THE, THE GROWTH FOR ME, I PROBABLY GOT THE PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE INFORMATION HAS GOTTEN OUT TO US SO THAT WE COULD MAKE RATIONAL DECISIONS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING KIND OF A BACKLASH TO THAT NOW, UH, BECAUSE IT, THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, UH, AND THEN SOME BLOGGERS ON THE INTERNET.
UH, AND IT'S GOT PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO SLIDE SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THE TABLE HERE, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE KNOWN UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE WOLF CREEK PROJECT ITSELF? WISH TO SPEAK.
WELL, LET'S GO TO MR. BOSWELL.
UH, YOU, YOU CAN PUT YOUR MEET PEOPLE IN THE ORDER YOU WISH 'EM TO SPEAK.
COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND CITIZENS, UH, I'M SOMEWHAT SURPRISED AT THE CONTROVERSY THAT WE APPARENTLY HAVE CREATED HERE.
UH, LET ME ASSURE EVERYBODY THE PURPOSE OF BEING HERE TODAY AND THE PURPOSE OF OUR, UM, DOING WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROCEDURES AND THE LAW AS IT IS STATED RELATIVE TO
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WHAT WE HAVE ASKED ON THE FORMATION OF THIS FRESHWATER DISTRICT.UH, THERE ARE OTHER FRESHWATER DISTRICTS WITHIN THE COUNTY IN OUR DISTRICT, IF, IF GRANTED, WE'LL HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME POWERS, NO MORE, NO LESS, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE STIRRED UP SOMETHING HERE THAT WE NEED.
AND I CERTAINLY DO INTEND FOR US TO RESOLVE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THAT MAY COME UP.
UM, WHAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS BRING A VERY HIGH CLASS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BRING NEW TAXES AND A TAX BASE TO THE COUNTY THAT IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE.
AND IF WE DO GO AHEAD WITH ANY OF THE PROJECT RELATED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE HELPING TO SOLVE THE FRESHWATER SUPPLY, UH, SITUATION AND OVERALL SUPPLY OF WATER FOR THE METROPLEX, WHICH IS VERY DESPERATE AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME.
AND HOPEFULLY AT THE SAME TIME, WE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP BY BRINGING IN 4,000 MEGAWATTS OF WIND GENERATED CLEAN ELECTRIC POWER THAT WOULD SUPPLANT WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE PROBABLY BE A COAL-FIRED PLANT.
AND THE REST OF THE ME METRO IS A NON-ATTAINMENT AREA.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE ARE IN WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND ALL OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UH, WE HAVE HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE HAD THE PEOPLE THAT WE, UH, THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE INFORMED.
UH, I I'M SURE THAT I SHOULD HAVE GONE AROUND AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GOING AROUND AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT EYE TO EYE TO THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE OUT THERE, THE NEIGHBORS, AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
BUT LET ME ASSURE IT TO EVERYBODY HERE THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE VERY GOOD AND VERY POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY IN ALL RESPECTS.
UH, I BROUGHT WITH ME MY PARTNER BRIAN DICKENS.
WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEY, LYLA MARSH FROM BENSON ELKINS.
UH, ONE OF MY ENGINEERS, JAMES EEE OF JD CONSULTING AUSTIN, AND THE OTHER ENGINEER IS, UH, DAVID GOSS OF TIPTON ENGINEERING.
UM, I, I WAS HOPING THAT HIS, UH, THE FOUNDER OF THE FIRM WOULD BE HERE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A, UH, FOOTBALL REUNION, BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK MEMBERS OF MY TEAM TO COME UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
WHAT, UH, COULD YOU ADDRESS WHAT, UH, SONNY TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE PETITION NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS? CAN YOU GET YOUR ATTORNEY TO, UH, GO OVER HIS POINTS THAT HE BROUGHT UP? YES.
I PERSONALLY PUT UP THE NOTICES ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE, THE LAW REQUIRES FOUR NOTICES TO BE POSTED.
I POSTED THOSE NOTICES, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THE DATE, BUT THEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND DID, UH, PUT IN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THOSE HAD BEEN POSTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY CLERK ITSELF HAS POSTED A NOTICE WITHIN THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE.
UM, LATER THIS WEEKEND, MY PARTNER BRIAN PICKENS, POSTED THE NOTICES FOR WHAT WE HOPE WILL OCCUR ON THE MEETING OF THE TEMPORARY SUPERVISORS IF THE DISTRICT IS READY BY THIS COMMISSION.
AND AS FAR AS THE OTHER PORTIONS, I THINK WE'VE MET THOSE, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT SONNY MAY HAVE AND, AND BRING LILA UP HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY ELSE MAY HAVE ABOUT THE LEGAL SUFFICIENCY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LIABILITY THAT, UH, WILLIAM OR MR. TRAVIS TRAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT OCCURRED OUT THERE IN ARLINGTON.
UH, I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE WERE INCURRING ANY KIND OF LIABILITY IN THIS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENT ABOUT THAT? I, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY IS INCURRING ANY LIABILITY AT ALL.
UH, IT, IT IS POSSIBLE, I SUPPOSE, FOR THE DISTRICT TO GO AHEAD AND LET ANY TAXES WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF WHEN THE DISTRICT IS FARMED, IF IT'S FARMED, AND THOSE TAXES WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THE RESIDENTS IF WE EVER HAD ANY.
UH, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO LIABILITY THAT I KNOW ABOUT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE, I BELIEVE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AGREED WE WOULD ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY TO ENHANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS IN THE COUNTY AS IT RELATES TO ROADS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD AGREE TO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNTY.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE INCURRING THE KIND OF LIABILITY IT'S GONNA BE IN OUR DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND, AND MANY OF THE QUESTIONS ALLOW COUNTY WILL HAVE A SAY, RIGHT.
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WHAT HAVE WE DONE AND WHY HAVE WE DONE UNDER, UNDER THE TABLE? IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE WE'VE DONE IT UNDER THE TABLE.WE'RE HERE NOW TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD GET, SIR, IF, IF NOW IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT I HAVE THE NOTES FROM THE CITY OF ARLINGTON REGARDING THE LIABILITY THAT WAS INCURRED, AND I'D BE GLAD TO PROVIDE IT FOR YOU.
AND IT IS IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I'M SHOCKED THAT HE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SIR, THE, UH, WAS THAT A FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT, UH, THAT WAS CREATED IN ARLINGTON? IT IS A, IT IS A UTILITY DISTRICT THAT'S CREATED IN ARLINGTON, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN ITS CAPACITIES TO A FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.
AND THE LIABILITY THAT WAS INCURRED WAS DUE TO THE CONDEMNATIONS BEING, YOU KNOW, DONE INAPPROPRIATELY BY, UH, THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT, WHICH THEN CAUSED THE CITY OF ARLINGTON TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
AND THEY ACTUALLY PAID THE DEBT, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE, $7 MILLION.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE CASES BETWEEN HERE AND BETWEEN HERE AND ARO.
THERE'D BE FAR MORE, AND I'D BE GLAD TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THOSE MINUTES.
AND, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE WHATEVER YOU HAVE THERE AND LOOK AT IT, STUDY IT, TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT, UH, THE, THE FACTS IN THE SITUATION ARE AND RESPOND TO THAT.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF HAVING ANY LIABILITY OR, OR IMPROPERLY DOING ANYTHING.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. BOND? THIS IS RESPOND TO, UH, MR. GLADWELL'S POINT THAT YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT NONE OF THESE SIGNERS OF THIS PETITION ARE A RESIDENCE OF THAT? EXCUSE ME, I I'M SORRY IF I WAS SAYING THAT TO THE COURT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO END THIS TO THE COURT? I HOLD YOU REPRESENT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, SIR? YES, SIR.
DO I HAND THEM TO YOU? SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES FOR YOU.
HE, I, YEAH, HE, UH, HE MENTIONED THAT NONE OF THE OH NO, I, I I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THIS PETITION WERE.
RESIDENTS OF THE, THE PETITIONERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WITH HIM.
THE CONFINES OF THE DISTRICT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, HE IS CORRECTED.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANYONE LIVING ON THE PROPERTY FOR SOME TIME.
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING OUT THERE MYSELF.
UH, WOULD BE, UH, SOMEBODY HANDED ME SOME WAY TOO MUCH MATERIAL TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BUT, UH, THE, THE NEW STATUTE THAT SAYS YOU ON THE PROPERTY GOES INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST.
PETITION WAS FILED PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1ST FALLS UNDER LAST YEAR'S, UH, LOSS.
THAT'S NOT, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
HERE AGAIN, I, I'D HAVE TO REFER TO VINCENT
THAT'S A QUESTION I I'D HAVE FOR HER.
THE, THE QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO HIS VALIDITY OF THE, UH, THE PETITION RELATIVE TO THERE WAS NO ONE LIVING ON THE PROPERTY WHEN THE PETITION WAS PRESENTED.
AND, AND AS I SAID, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE ANYONE LIVING ON THE PROPERTY THAT DESIGNED THE PETITION WAS REQUESTED.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD AT THE TIME THAT YOU GRANT THE, UH, AGREEMENT.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE, UH, TEMPORARY SUPERVISORS IN PLACE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AN ELECTION.
AND WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE RESIDENTS WHO DO QUALIFY IN ORDER TO VOTE.
WE LIVE IN DISTRICT AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT OUR INTENTION IS.
AND THIS ALSO GOES ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.
AND THIS IS ONE REASON THAT WE'RE DONE.
THE REASON WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT NOW AND, AND THE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD IS SO WE COULD GET ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO WAIT INTO MAY.
AND IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA CONCUR AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTH DELAY, AND WE THINK IT'LL BE NOTHING BUT MORE EXPENSIVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED WHEN YOU MANY YOU HAD IN MY OFFICE, YOU'VE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION THAT I, I'VE ASKED YOU, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I, WE APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
ACTUALLY, IT, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A NEW SCENARIO FOR, UH, FOR A LOT OF KAMAN COUNTY TO BEING ENTERED THIS.
AND MY QUESTION, MY, MY POINT WAS WAY BACK WAS TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON IT, TO GET SOME STUDY, GET SOME MEN INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS, SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH AND THEIR THOUGHTS.
WELL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, THE PURPOSE OF GETTING ON NOVEMBER ELECTION, THAT'S, IS THAT NOT A MOOT POINT NOW? NO, SIR.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS A MOOT POINT.
DO YOU HAVE, DON'T YOU HAVE TO GIVE A SEVEN TWO HOUR NOTIFICATION OF AGENDA FOR, TO CALL
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FOR THE ELECTION? YES, SIR.AND WE HAVE DONE SO PREDICATED UP ON OUR EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD TODAY HAVE THE PETITION GRANTED AND THE APPOINTMENT OF THE, UH, TEMPORARY, UH, UH, SUPERVISORS, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY FILE IT WITH THE COUNTY COURT'S OFFICE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD THE NOTICE.
THE WHAT? THE NOTICE IT SHIPPED NOT TO YOU GUYS ON FRIDAY, HOUSTON OFFICE.
MY EXPECTATION IS THAT WE HAVE DONE THINGS APPROPRIATELY, BUT I SURE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THE DETAILS ON THAT.
SIR, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE LINES OF MR. CLARK AND MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, YOU CALL HER LILA.
LILA MARSH, UH, IS THAT, I THINK THERE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION THAT SAYS THAT IF THE PETITION IS FILED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE OLD LAW.
UH, AND YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, THAT YOU THINK IT'S IF IT'S WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS ACT ON IT? YES, SIR.
UH, LAU COULD YOU CLEAR THAT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR US? WE BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THE LAW AFTER THE, AFTER THE DISTRICT IS FORMED, SO WE, WE APPLY ROLLING FORWARD AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST.
BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND THE LAW ALSO THAT WE BASICALLY CAN ONLY DENY IT IF THERE IS A FLAW OR, OR A, UH, SUBSTANTIAL PROBLEM WITH THE PETITION ITSELF.
UH, AND, AND, UH, OUR RESEARCH IS TURNED UP THAT, THAT THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM WITH THE PETITION ITSELF BECAUSE OF THE FILING OF IT BEING BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
AND UM, UH, THE G OPINION, IT STATES THAT IF IT'S FILED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE LAW THAT WAS IN EFFECT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
WELL, YEAH, IT WAS, WHICH REQUIRES PEOPLE TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT THE SUPERVISORS WOULD NOT BE ELECTED UNTIL AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST.
UM, SO THAT IS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE LAW.
THE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE APPOINTED AFTER THAT DATE NEED TO SATISFY REQUIREMENTS THAT EXIST IN LAW AS OF THAT DATE.
THERE WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST ROLL FORWARD FIVE YEARS BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE SAME AS TWO DAYS FORWARD, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ANY DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THE SUPERVISORS WOULD NOT BE GOING BACK TO REQUIREMENTS THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO CHANGES IN LAW.
IT'S STILL THE SAME FOR SUPERVISORS THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED TODAY.
IT JUST MEANS THAT THE LAW AS OF TODAY IS THAT THE SUPERVISORS HAVE TO ONLY DISTRICT.
BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PETITION.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THE COMMISSIONERS CAN YES.
UH, LEGALLY DENIED, IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE PETITION.
AND YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN IT'S FILED, IT'S, IT'S WHEN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ACTS ON IT.
NOT WHEN THE PETITION IS FILED.
NOW THAT WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, JUDGE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE SAME UNDERSTANDING OF THAT EITHER.
BUT MY READING OF THE LAW IS THAT IT'S GOTTA BE, PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER ONE, THEY HAVE TO BE ARRESTED.
AND AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE, THEN THE LAW WAS INTO EFFECT.
I INTRODUCED OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND LEGAL COUNSEL FOR COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME? THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT TOO, JUDGE.
SO I THINK MY CONCERN IS, I'M NOT SURE IF THE SPECIFIC PETITION IS, IS, IS SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK THEY COULD PASS THE BUS.
NOW THEY COULD, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND REFILE IT AND, UH, ALLEGED, YOU KNOW, SINCE AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE, THEN THAT WOULD OKAY.
THE, THE, THE PETITION AT THAT POINT.
'CAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ARRESTED.
BUT PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER ONE, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE, I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAVE IN A DIFFERENT LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS AND I CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, RESPECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS, UM, VIEW ON THAT.
I THINK THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE YOU FREE THE STATUTE.
JIM, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO SMOOTH THAT
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OUT HERE IN MY MIND.UM, IF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS NOT IN SESSION, THEN THE COUNTY JUDGE CAN VERIFY THAT THE PETITION'S CORRECT AND SIGN IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP THEM WITH THE TIMELINE IS WHAT RIGHT.
IT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS FILED WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE.
WAS IT NOT? DID YOU RUN SESSION? I CAN'T RECALL.
I ACTUALLY DIDN'T HANDLE THE FILING.
UH, WE WERE GIVEN A COPY OF WHAT WAS FILED IN THE FIRST OFFICE.
BUT WE GO BACK TO THE, THE, UH, DEAL ABOUT SEPTEMBER 1ST PETITION BEING FILED PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHETHER IT COMES TO THE COUNTY JUDGE OR WHETHER RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DID NOT CHANGE WITH THE WELL JUDGE, YOU SAID THAT'S THE ONLY, PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY THE COURT CAN TURN IT DOWN.
UH, DOES THE COURT HAVE TO TURN IT DOWN IF THAT'S INCORRECT, COULD THE COURT STILL OKAY IF THEY WANTED TO? I THINK THE, IT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF THE COURT TO, UH, DO OKAY.
THE PROBLEM COMES IN IF WE OKAY.
SOMETHING AND WE THINK THAT THE PETITION HAS A PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COURT WOULD EVEN WANT TO DO THAT.
JUST CURIOUS SOLUTION BE PETITION, WHICH WOULD THROW YOU OUTTA YOUR TIMEFRAME AND GET ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT, WAS WHETHER CAN YOU ACTUALLY BE ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IF, IF THE AGENDA HAD BEEN FILED SEVEN, TWO HOURS PRIOR TO THE PETITION TO CALL, TO CALL TODAY.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, UM, THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE NOTICE.
THE WAS POSTED SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY THE COUNTY CLERK ON FRIDAY, THIS EMAIL DOWN, BECAUSE THEY ASSURED ME THAT THEY HAD DONE THAT.
BRIAN PICKENS IS HERE AND HE CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST THAT HE WENT DOWN ON SATURDAY, I BELIEVE, WASN'T IT? CORRECT.
AND DID THE NOTICE, JUDGE MABY, UH, YOU'VE HAD THE THREE MINUTES, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE IF YOU WANNA SPEND, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO CONDEMN PEOPLE'S LAND AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCES TO, WE THINK WE, WE GAVE THOSE DETAILS, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE.
I WOULD SURE LIKE TO SEE THAT IT HAPPENED FOR REAL.
THE SECOND IS, IF, IF, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION RAISED HERE BY PEOPLE FROM JUDGES IN, IN VARIOUS COUNTIES AND BY LAWYERS.
AND I BELIEVE IF I'M CORRECT, THAT YOU CAN DEFER THIS BASED UPON THEY'RE REFERENCING CODE.
BUT I BELIEVE YOU CAN STILL DEFER IT BASED ON A CONSTANT BEING CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION.
ISN'T THAT TRUE? WELL, I'M SURE WE CAN, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OPTION IF WE CAN DELAY IT ON, WE WANNA DELAY IT ON THE QUESTION WHEN WE DENY.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE WERE CONSIDERING THAT.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING CONCERN IS WE JUST, YOU KNOW, GRANTED A FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT ABOUT A MONTH PRECINCTS, MR. MORLEY HAS WANTS ANOTHER MINUTE.
CAN I, CAN I ASK MR QUESTION? I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE VERY APPROPRIATE.
OH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT MIKE SAID HE WAS HERE.
HOW ARE THE FUNDS ACQUIRED FOR THE ROAD RAGES WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING IN THIS CONDITION? WHERE'S THAT, WHERE'S THOSE DOLLARS GONNA COME FROM? UH, THEY WILL COME FROM THE DEVELOPERS, BRIAN PICKENS AND MYSELF AND OUR PARTNERS AND OUR FROM, UH, INSTITUTIONS THAT WILL LOOK AT OUR PLAN AND AGREE THAT IT MAKES SENSE AND PROVIDE THE FUNDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROADS.
SO AFTER THAT TAKES PLACE, DOES IT, DOES IT, DOES IT STILL BELONG TO THE COUNTY OR IS IT NOW A PRIVATE ROAD? NO, IT'S, IT, IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY DRUG.
THE LEGISLATURE AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ABOUT TWO TERMS AGO TO ACCEPT DONATIONS, UH, FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE ROADS OR LIBRARY OR CHILD SHELTER OR WHATEVER.
HAD Y'ALL DONE ANY STUDIES FROM ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPACTS, UH, ROADWAY STUDIES AS FAR AS, UH, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, THINGS OF THIS NATURE SO THAT WE KNOW THAT YOU'VE DONE ALL YOUR DUE DILIGENCE UP FRONT SO THAT SOME OF US THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE POST WANTING TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON INFORMATION.
JAMES? UM, THE, THE ENGINEERS CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF PRELIMINARY WORK FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE TO GET ONE ASSESSMENT DONE.
UM, HE'LL HAVE HAS A PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT DONE.
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TALK TO YOU ABOUT SORT OF PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISTRICT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL COUNTY RULES, REQUIREMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, PLATING EVERYTHING.
THIS WILL NOT, YOU KNOW, PROCEED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WILL.
IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING STUDIES TO BE DONE, STUDIES WILL BE DONE.
AND IF COUNTY RULES REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO BE DONE, THEY WILL BE DONE.
THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHORT CIRCUIT OR CHANGE IN ANY WAY THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS VIS-A-VIS EITHER FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW.
SO THE DISTRICT'S OPERATIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WILL BE THE SAME AS IF THERE HADN'T BEEN A DISTRICT.
WILL YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONDEMN PROP PROPERTY FOR EASEMENTS? YES, THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONDEMN PROPERTY FOR EASEMENTS.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE, HAVE ANYTHING OFFSITE THEY THINK THAT THEY NEED TO GET AT THIS POINT.
I'M NOT CERTAIN, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONNECTION TO ELMO ELMO.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE TALKING TO ELMO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOOK AT EITHER A WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLY CONTRACT WITH ELMO, WITH THE DISTRICT, POSSIBLY PROVIDING SOME RETAIL SERVICE.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE ONLY OFFSITE THAT BRIAN AND MIKE COULD GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD, ANYBODY OUT THERE DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS LAND FOR PURPOSES OF BUILDING THE 79 RESIDENCES, YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCEDURES EXCEPT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A DISTRICT AND IT, IT WOULD HAVE POWER TO CONDEMN LAND FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING IT FOR THAT.
ONE OTHER THING TO ANSWER MR. MAORI'S QUESTION MM-HMM
UH, SINCE IT'S IN ZA COUNTY AND IN KAMAN COUNTY, ALSO IN OUR AGREEMENT, KAMAN COUNTY WILL BE THE, THE CHOICE OF, OF, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BY.
THAT'S, AND SO WE DOESN'T MATTER BE AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT IN THE PETITION THAT WE FILED, RIGHT, WE DID NOT EXTEND INTO VANTA COUNTY.
WE CUT IT OFF AT COUNTY ROAD 3 47.
NOW THERE'S AN EXCESS LENGTH LAND IN TON COUNTY.
NOW WE, WE DID TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE WILLS POINT SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN VANCE COUNTY, BUT THE DISTRICT DOES NOT EXTEND IN VANCE COUNTY.
MR. BOWELL QUESTIONS I ASK MR. BOWELL A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, NEED TO GET YOU TO SIGN IN, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE ARLINGTON SPORTS AUTHORITY INFORMATION.
UM, ARLINGTON SPORTS AUTHORITY IS AN INSTRUMENTALITY OF THE CITY OF ARLINGTON.
UM, AND YES, IN THE CITY OF ARLINGTON WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE TYPES OF LIABILITIES.
UH, A FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT IS THE DISTRICT CREATED UNDER ARTICLE 16, SECTION 59 OF TEXAS CONSTITUTION.
IT IS A SEPARATE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION AS SUCH, IT WOULD BE, THE COUNTY WOULD BE NO MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEBTS AND LIABILITIES OF A SEPARATE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION THAN IT WOULD BE FOR THE DEBTS AND LIABILITIES OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, UM, CITY OF KAUFMAN, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE
SO THAT SPORTS AUTHORITY, WHILE IT KIND OF SOUNDS THE SAME SPORTS AUTHORITY AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL, AND I CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT OUT IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT THAT IS A SEPARATE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION.
RICK, RICK, DO YOU, DO YOU SEE US ASSUMING ANY LIABILITY, UH, THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IN THIS THING? UH, I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A TIME SENSITIVE THING FOR THE, THE PICKENS GROUP AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK WE GOTTA BE A LITTLE CAREFUL HERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN, UH, RESEARCHED ENOUGH.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH, UH, TESTIMONY FROM THE ENGINEERS AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING AS FAR AS, AS A LOT OF ISSUES THAT, THAT WE NEED ANSWERS TO.
UH, AND THIS IS, LET'S FACE IT, THIS IS A UNIQUE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX SITUATION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRESH WATER DISTRICT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, 69 LOTS AND 300 ACRES, BUT, YOU KNOW, TUCK IN THE MIDDLE, ALL THAT'S THIS PIPELINE THAT YOU DRIVE A CAR THROUGH THAT'S COMING DOWN HERE.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE HERE IS I THINK, I THINK IF WE'VE GOT A PETITION THAT HAS A COUPLE OF FLAWS THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, IF WE'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE, WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF LIABILITY WE'RE GONNA ASSUME.
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL FOR HAVING TO COME OUT HERE AND, AND, AND, AND DEVELOP THE LAND AND THAT'D BE GREAT.
YOU KNOW, HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES IN THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.
WHILE IT SEEMS, UH, IT SEEMS, UH, UH, BE NICE, BE NICE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW REAL IT IS, BUT IF IT HAPPENED, IT'D BE GREAT.
BUT, UH, BUT I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS
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WITH THIS AND, AND, AND CHECK OUT ALL THE ISSUES OF LIABILITY AND, AND, UH, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE ACTUAL CONDITION ITSELF IS, IS SUFFICIENT.A CONDITION THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE FRESHWATER DISTRICT BEFORE AND THAT HAS NEVER BEEN QUITE THIS MUCH INTEREST.
IS THE, IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THE PIPELINE, IS THAT WHAT MOST EVERYBODY HERE, UH, SEEMS TO BE UPSET ABOUT? IS IT JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S A PIPELINE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE WATER HERE.
WE'VE ALL BEEN UNDER, WE'VE ALL BEEN UNDER DRAFT RESTRICTIONS IN COMBINATION.
SANDERS RECOGNIZE YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A COMMISSIONER TALKING TO OUR DA RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I I THINK WE TALKED TO PEOPLE.
I TALK, IT'S JUST A CONCERN ABOUT CONDEMNATION LAND.
I THINK THAT'S A MAIN, THAT'S THE MAIN CLEAR.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY.
WELL, DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE SAME POWERS AS THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT EXIST? I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SORT OF WHAT'S CONCERNING PEOPLE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DEAL WITH IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY, BUT THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICT.
BUT I THINK COUNCILORS, FRESHWATER DISTRICT IN THEIR AREA AND HADN'T BEEN THERE.
I'D RECOGNIZE MR. GORDON SANDERS, UH, HE HAS A WILLS POINT ADDRESS, BUT I'M ASSUMING HE STILL LIVES IN COMAN COUNTY.
IT'S A WILL POINT MAILING ADDRESS.
UH, MY QUESTION TO MR. BOSWELL IS, YOU'VE STATED A COUPLE TIMES YOU'VE TALKED TO THE WILL POINT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, WHO DID YOU TALK WITH WHEN THE NEW SUPERINTENDENT? I TALKED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER LAST FRIDAY, AND THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS, SIR.
WE INVITED THE SUPERINTENDENT ALONG WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE WATER SUPPLY, UH, CORPORATION TO A MEETING IN TERRELL.
UH, HE CAME, WE ASKED IF HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR A PRESENTATION, AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
UH, WE ASKED IF HE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE US SECURE REPORT THE BOARD.
IF HE SAID THEY HAD OTHER WAYS THAT THEY WERE BUSY DOING, UH, I'M CERTAINLY STILL WILLING TO DO THAT.
UH, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PLAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED OF THE COUNTY.
THAT, THAT WOULD REMAIN TO BE DONE.
AND IT WOULD BY, BY GRANTING THE PETITION TODAY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING US PART BLOCKED.
GO DO ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT WE WANTED.
WHAT KIND OF SEWER SYSTEM ARE YOU PLANTING? UH, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AN AEROBIC SEWER SYSTEM, BUT THAT REALLY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ENGINEERS WITH THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY ENGINEERS AND THE TCEQ WILL FINALLY DICTATE.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF YOU PUTTING IN SOME KIND OF TREATMENT SET TREATMENT PLAN? YES, SIR.
AND ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT THAT WE CAN FACILITATE TO THE, WE'RE PUTTING IN.
ARE YOU AWARE WHERE THIS CREEK THAT YOU WOULD DUMP INTO WHERE IT GOES? WELL, I, I THINK I SPOKE TO YOUR WIFE, YES.
I'M GUESSING YESTERDAY A COUPLE TIMES.
AND SHE EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IT WENT IN TO CEDAR CREEK LAKE.
AND YOU, I CERTAINLY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING ANYTHING TO FILE CEDAR CREEK LAKE OR ANY OTHER WATER WITHIN THE COUNTY OR THE STATE.
WELL, JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE THIS, UH, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU SUBMIT A PLA TO THE COUNTY, A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND, AND IT'S NOT APPROVED BEFORE THEY, THEY, BEFORE THEY APPROVE A PLAT, THAT THAT WOULD REMAIN TO BE DONE AT SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS AND AREAS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT TO A SUBDIVISION THAT DON'T EVEN EXIST.
DON'T WE HAVE A CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE? I DON'T THINK SO, SIR.
I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE.
YOU CAN SET UP THE DISTRICT SO THAT YOU CAN THEN GO FORWARD AND DEVELOP THE SUBJECT.
I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN THERE BECAUSE I, I'VE ALWAYS HAD CONCERN BECAUSE TER SEWAGE AND KAUFMAN SEWAGE, KEMP SEWAGE ALL GO IN, SEE PRE PLAY AND, UH, I JUST, YOU KNOW,
UH, WIND FARM HAD A, UH, TREATMENT PLAN AND THEY HAD ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE WITH THE HIGHWAY.
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WORDS, THEY PUT IN A TEMPORARY FOR 40, 5,000 HOUSES.FIRST THING YOU KNOW, THEY HAD 400 ON IT AND IT WAS SPILLING RAW SEWAGE IN THE, IN THE FREIGHT NOW, WHICH ENDED UP RIGHT, THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE TERRA COUNTY WATER REGIONAL DISTRICT.
AND, UH, AIRPLANE THRUST WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT CEDAR CREEK LAKE STAYED AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE.
AND ONE OF THEIR POINTS WAS THAT THEY'RE ENGINEERED THAT ALL OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT THAT GOES INTO CREEK LAKE ONLY CONTRIBUTES 6% OF ALL THE POLLUTANTS THAT GO IN THERE.
SO, UH, MOST OF THOSE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I HOPE THE MESQUITES AND GARLAND IS BECAUSE WE'RE FIXING TO START DRINKING IT
LEMME FIX THAT WHEN YOU PUT IN THE WINDMILLS.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, I WANNA MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UH, WE JUST HAD NO TEXAS, UH, WATER SP SUPPLY PUT IN A NEW WATER LINE FROM, UH, NORTH TEXAS, I MEAN FROM LAKE MILWAUKEE TO, UH, ROCKWELL RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH ALL MY COUNTY ROADS AND I HAD NOT HAD ONE COMPLAINT FROM MANY OF MY PEOPLE ABOUT THEM TAKING EASEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE ONLY, UH, COMPLAINT I HAD WAS A GENTLEMAN CALL ME AND HE SAID, RECKON THEY'LL BUY MY TREES, PAY ME FROM THE TREES.
I NEVER HEARD ANOTHER WORD FROM YOU.
I SAID, THAT'S ALL YOU GOT DO IS ASK THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME DOWN THROUGH THEIR PIPELINE, THEY'LL PAY ME FOR THE TRIPS.
SO THEY, THEY, AND NOT HAD ONE COMPLAINED MY AND I STAY ON TOP OF ALL MY PEOPLE YES.
OKAY, NEXT YOU HAVE IS SAMANTHA KEYS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU WITH YOUR, COULD YOU STAND UP PLEASE, MA'AM? YES.
YOUR BEST CASE SCENARIO, OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT STARTING AND DOING THIS? I, I WOULD HOPE UNDER THE BEST CASE, WE WOULD START WITH PLANS AND, UH, ASK THE COUNTY TO APPROVE THE PLAT AND THE SITUATION AND THE HOPEFUL MOVEMENT OF COUNTY ROADS AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF OTHER COUNTY ROADS, UH, LATER THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR, AS FAR AS THE WATER RIGHT OF WAY FROM ROBERTS COUNTY DOWN IN THIS DIRECTION.
I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY EVER HAPPEN, BUT IF IT HAPPENS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I THINK WE'LL ALL BE RELIEVED.
AND, AND AS I SAY THAT, THAT IS A, A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE, IT WILL BE PAID FOR, IT WILL BE COVERED BACK UP, AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO GRAZE YOUR CATTLE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU PROBABLY DID BEFORE.
WHAT IS THE, WHY HAVE YOU, WHY WOULD YOU NOT BUY THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING, INSTEAD OF GOING INTO CONDEMNATION WITH THESE PEOPLE, BUY IT AT THEIR PRICE TAG, WHATEVER IT IS, INSTEAD OF DOING CONDEMNATION.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M THE RECIPIENT OF AT LEAST FOUR CONDEMNATIONS AT THIS POINT, NOT ONE OF WHICH IS GOING WELL, NOT ONE.
SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THESE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE GOING THROUGH THIS GOING, YOU GOT A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF YOU.
WELL NOW JAMES
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION THAT 95%, 98% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU APPROACH, YOU WILL NEGOTIATE A TRANSACTION WITH BASED ON FAIR MARKET VALUE AND PAYING FOR THE TREES AND OTHER DAMAGES THAT YOU DO.
THE REASON THAT YOU NEED THE RIGHT OF CONDEMNATION THOUGH, IS BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS END UP WITH ONE OR TWO VERY DIFFICULT PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION, HOLD YOU UP, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE IS, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF NOT HAVING SOMETHING GO THROUGH.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON I BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THIS, IS THAT YOU BUY FOR A PURPOSE AND AND IT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE ASK OUR ENGINEERS AND WE BROUGHT THE MAP TO LOOK AT OUR ROUTE AND TO SEE ACROSS THAT ROUTE HOW MANY PIPELINES ARE IN EXISTENCE.
AND IT IS WELL IN EXCESS OF 2000.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE, AND ME INCLUDED THAT ARE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO DO IS MAKE
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SURE THAT THEY DO PAY YOU FAIR MARKET VALUE AND THAT THEY DO REPAIR THE PROPERTY AND RESTORE IT AS IT WAS BEFORE THEY CAME THROUGH.BUT, BUT KEEPING A PIPELINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM EVER CROSSING YOUR PROPERTY IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ACHIEVABLE.
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I ASK IS, THERE'S ALREADY WATER AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
WHY IS IT THAT YOU'RE FEELING THAT WE NEED TO BRING ANOTHER PIPELINE THERE WHEN THERE'S ALREADY AVAILABLE WATER? IS IT GOING TO BE A FUTURE NEED THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
HOW FAR AHEAD? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING TO MR. PICKENS IS TALKING TO THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DEPARTMENT, THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY AND THE TARRANT REGIONAL ABOUT THEIR LONG-TERM WATER NEEDS.
THEY ARE ALL FAIRLY SHORT OF WATER DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW, HOW FAR, UH, OR OR HOW SEVERE YOU WANNA LOOK AT.
HAD IT NOT RAINED, NORTH TEXAS WOULD'VE HAD A REAL, REAL BIG PROBLEM.
THEY'RE BEEN RELYING ON THE MARVIN NICHOLS RESERVOIR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, IT'S GOT A CROWD BIGGER THAN THIS ONE.
BUT IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO BUILD NEW RESERVOIRS FOR THE WATER SUPPLY OF A GROWING AREA.
THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN BRING IN WATER FROM THE OGALLALA THAT WILL LAST WELL IN EXCESS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AND WILL ALL BE DONE WITHIN THE COMPLIANCE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE FRESHWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT THAT IS, UH, IN CHARGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
YOU NEED WHAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT FROM BEGINNING TO END, IT TAKES ABOUT 35 YEARS, THREE, FIVE YEARS TO BUILD A LAKE TO OLD WATER.
THAT'S PRETTY, AND 35 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS AREA, WE'RE GONNA BE OUTTA WATER IF WE CONTINUE TO GROW.
I'M STILL, I THINK, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED WATER HERE.
WE, EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS PROBABLY BEEN UNDER SOME DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF LAST YEAR.
UH, WE'VE APPROVED FRESHWATER DISTRICTS BEFORE AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A, A REAL PROBLEM.
UH, IS IT, I I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY THIS ONE IS GENERATING SO MUCH, UH, SO MUCH, UH, DISCUSSION.
ALL OF 'EM HAVE THE RIGHT OF CONDEMNATION.
UH, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE WATER AS BADLY AS, AS ANYTHING.
I, I KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT'S NOT GOING TO THOSE 69 HOMES UP THERE TRYING TO GO TO NORTH TEXAS OR, OR WHATEVER.
IT, IT REMINDS ME OF THE THING IN 1968 WHEN CITY CREEK LAKE WAS BUILT, AND HERE WE ARE KAUFMAN AND WE'RE GOING, NO, WE DON'T NEED WATER.
AND THAT ALL GETS BOUGHT UP BY TARRANT COUNTY BECAUSE MAYBE AT THAT TIME WE WEREN'T FARSIGHTED ENOUGH.
LOOKING AHEAD, UH, ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I I'M JUST TRYING TO REALLY FIND OUT WHY.
WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THIS? SO THAN THE CONDEMNATION THING, EV EVER FRESHWATER DISTRICT WE'VE APPROVED OR MUD DISTRICTS, I GUESS HAVE CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS.
WELL, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE HAVE, COTTON COUNTY IS JUST NEWLY INTO THESE WATER DISTRICTS.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF THESE DISTRICTS ANYWAY, NEAR ME.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT ALL OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH ME.
AND I'M LEARNING AS WE GO, THE DIFFICULTIES THAT ARISE WITH THESE MUDS THAT HAPPEN.
AND I'VE HAD 'EM, I'VE HAD ONE COMPLETED FOR OVER TWO YEARS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND NOT ONLY HAVE THEY NOT COME BACK AND TAKEN CARE OF, THEY'VE NOT DONE WHAT THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO.
NOTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT HAS DONE WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD.
AND IT WAS AN ONLY AN ACRE AND A HALF.
I'M LOOKING AT 60, 70, 80 ACRES THAT THEY'RE TAKING FROM ME.
AND AND THAT'S A LOT OF ACREAGE USE THAT, THAT ACRE NO, SOME OF IT I CANNOT USE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN RANGE CATTLE, BUT THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.
WE, WE HAVE THE CONTRACTS WHERE IT DENIES AGRICULTURE RIGHTS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, OR SAMANTHA'S AND MINES THE SAME.
SO WE'D BE GLAD TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU.
AND I RUN KETTLE AND I HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL TREE FARM, OF WHICH NOW THERE'S A LARGE PORTION OF ACREAGE THAT I CANNOT USE ANYMORE TO RAISE TREES OR, AND THAT'S MY LIVELIHOOD.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE NEVER COME BACK AND PLANTED THE WAY THEY HAVE.
SO I'VE BEEN SEEDED, I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A DISASTROUS SITUATION AND IT ISN'T JUST ONE, IT'S ALL FOUR OF THEM.
AND SO DO THEY NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO THEY HAVE TO
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GO TO COURT? YOU HAVE TO, YES.THAT'S, IS THAT SOMETHING PERHAPS THAT WE COULD HANDLE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY? I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF THING THAT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE UP NT DOMAIN RIGHTS? NO.
BUT I DO THINK THAT FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, YOU CAN SAY ALL YOU WANT, BUT THEY HAVE DONE THE SAME AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
AND I'M, I'M CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO, TO, TO YOUR PLIGHT AND THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE WELL, BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR WORK WITH YOU.
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TREATED FAIRLY IN THE PROCESS.
UM, IT COULD BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTEXT WITH THE COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN ISSUE WITH RECEDING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PUT THE WRONG GRASS IN.
THE POINT IS FLYING OVER WITH HELICOPTERS AND DROPPING IT ON MY PROPERTY, MAKING CATTLE RUN LOSING BABIES BECAUSE OF THAT KIND OF THING.
HOW DO YOU ASSESS DAMAGE OF THAT NATURE? THE GROUND COWS FALL IN, YOU TRY TO SAVE THE COWS GROUND ALMOST FROM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT OF THAT NATURE.
YOU CAN'T PUT PRICE TAGS AND VALUES ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BUT THEY HAPPEN AND THEY'VE HAPPENED CONTINUOUSLY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT WITH ANOTHER ONE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT YOU SAY.
UNLESS SOMEBODY IS SITTING OUT THERE MAKING SURE THE EASEMENTS, YOUR 50 FOOT EASEMENT OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE, THEY WANT 200 FEET OFF OF THEIR EASEMENT.
I MEAN, WHAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT.
AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T STOP 'EM AND YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE 24 7, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT IT WORKS.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM SOMEONE WHO'S DONE FOUR OF THESE NOW OR ON THERE GETTING ONTO THEIR FOURTH ONE, IT, IT'S NOT A PRETTY SIGHT.
AND IT'S REALLY A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU YOURSELF TO STAY IN TOUCH OF.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME PAST PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR TO RECTIFY THAT PROBLEM.
AND WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING UNDERNEATH THE TABLE THAT'S GONNA POP UP AND JUMP THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
AND YOU DIDN'T TELL US THE WHOLE TRUTH.
AND HERE WE HAVE TO FIGHT WITH YOU EVERY DAY FOR THE NEXT SEVEN TO 10 YEARS TO, TO GET WHAT WE NEED DONE.
AND I KNOW IT'S A CONCERN FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN HERE, YOU KNOW, FOOL US ONCE, YOU KNOW, BUT DON'T FOOL US TWICE.
MR. CLARK HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.
UH, LOT OF PEOPLE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT ACTUALLY DOES.
BUT YOU COULD, ONCE THE KIND OF NEGOTIATES AGREEMENT, THESE PEOPLE, UH, WE CAN NEGOTIATE INTO A LOT OF THESE THINGS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE DOING THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AFTER WE DO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD THINK THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT SHOULD BE DONE FIRST.
SO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OUT THERE.
YOU CAN TELL YOUR CONCERNS, WHETHER IT'S A LEGITIMATE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT OR NOT IS GONNA BE UP TO THE NEGOTIATORS DID THE THING.
BUT THEY, IT CAN BE SOMETIMES GENTLEMAN ASK ME ABOUT, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA OPEN THAT ROCK BACK UP AGAIN.
THAT'D BE SIMPLE ENOUGH TO PUT IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
IF IT'S AGREEABLE WITH BOTH PARTIES THAT OPENED UP AS ROCK PIT.
THAT'S CERTAINLY, BUT YOU, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT PRIOR TO WELL IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS THE WAY THAT DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPMENTS HAVE HISTORICALLY HAPPENED.
YOU ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT PREDICATED UPON A SET OF RULES.
AND THE RULES ARE SET OUT OF THE STATE.
NOW, I NOW I CAN PERSONALLY ASSURE YOU THAT WE HAVE NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN OPENING UP ROCK MINING OPERATIONS OUT THERE AGAIN.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT ROCK EVEN TO JUSTIFY THAT IF WE WANTED TO.
SO THAT'S NOT IN THE CARDS AT ALL THERE.
I WAS USING THAT JUST AS A TYPICAL CONCERN.
IF SOMEBODY COULD HAVE IT COULD BE ADDRESSED, COULD IT NOT BE IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT? SURE.
BUT, BUT, AND, AND WE WOULD YEAH.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT, BUT TO ME, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THE, THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ENTER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND START THE NEGOTIATIONS.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACTUALLY IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN HE GETS READY TO DEVELOP, THEN WE SIT DOWN WITH HIM, DO THE DEVELOPMENT THEIRS, THEY DID THEIRS BEFORE THEY UH, YES, SIR.
I WAS IN ON TWO OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
ONE'S WITH, UH, HEARTLAND IN MAYBERRY AND A LITTLE BIT WITH THE CARTRIGHT RATE.
THE ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND WOLF CREEK IS THAT THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS GAVE THE COUNTY
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A LOT A REVENUE, HELPED THE WATER.GRANDO HELPED THE POLICE, HELPED THE SHERIFF, HELPED THE ESDS, UH, BOTH OF 'EM.
UH, CARTWRIGHT RANCH, WHEN I SPOKE WITH MR. HARRIS LAST WEEK, AND I MENTIONED THAT HE LEFT, HE THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY.
NOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON THAT I'M SO DEAD SET AGAINST THIS.
THERE IS NO WIN-WIN IN THIS IN THIS ISSUE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL IT IS IS A WIN OR TAKE ALL IN THIS ISSUE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING HAVING HEARTBURN ON IT.
COMMISSIONER, WHAT YOU'RE REPORTING ME NOW IS DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO WHAT MR. HARRIS REPORTED TO ME.
WE HAVE OFFERED, I THOUGHT, THROUGH MR. HARRIS, WITH EACH COMMISSIONER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTY.
UH, YES, WE SERVE 3 48, 3 49, 3 50.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONES THAT WE KNOW.
WHAT YOU, THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO.
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO DO? I JUST MISSED A BUNCH OF THEM.
WELL, BUT, BUT WE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT.
WHERE AT? WHERE'S IT WRITTEN DOWN? I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WELL, IT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN, SIR.
IT, IT IS VERBAL AND IT WOULD BE PART OF THE INITIAL NEGOTIATIONS.
IF, IF YOU, IF WE DON'T GIVE YOU WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME THE PLOT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIVE ME THE PLA YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET ME GO OUT THERE AND PUT IN 69 LOCKS.
AND, AND IF YOU ASK AND, AND, AND IF YOU ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO BECAUSE IT'S JUST OUTLANDISH, THEN WE WON'T PUT IN THE 69 LOTS AND WE WON'T AGREE TO THAT.
MAYBE WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS TOLD OUTRIGHT THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WRITE THIS A PIECE OF PAPER.
SO WE'RE GONNA ASK, AND I THINK, UH, MR. CLARK HAS A VERY GOOD, GOOD IDEA.
UH, I THINK, I THINK AN AGREEMENT IS, UH, MUCH, MUCH.
UH, CHUCK, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING US WHAT, UH, THE PROCEDURE THAT THE CARTWRIGHT RANCH WENT THROUGH, MR.
WE CREATED A DISTRICT, BUT WE WENT BEFORE THE SCHOOL C ANYBODY IN THERE.
WE HAD OUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING STUDIES DONE, UH, STRATEGY.
DID THAT ENGINEER FROM PROJECT, WE'VE DONE ALL OF THAT BEFORE WE EVER CAME TO KIND.
YOU GOT ALL THAT HAND HAMMER OUT NEGOTIATED.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMISSION MAY ASKING IF YOU A DEVELOP AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU COME AND ALL APPROVAL SUPPLY, WE DISAGREE, UH, UNDER THE SAME SCENARIO, ABOUT 90 TO 90 DAYS TO GET
WELL, HARFORD DID THE SAME THING.
CHUCK, COULD YOU STAND UP AND I THAT AGAIN, I DIDN'T YEAH, I, WE GOT TWO GUYS UP HERE THAT HAVE DIFFICULT TIME SHARE.
WE GOT THREE OR FOUR GUYS UP HERE, MAYBE FIVE.
WE DID OUR FIRST WATER DISTRICT.
WE COME ASK THE COMMITMENTS THAT TO START THE PROCESS AFTER WE GOT A OKAY TO START THE PROCESS.
WE GO BACK TO SCHOOLS, THE CITY, THE WATER CO-OPS AND ALLALL, THE UTILITIES.
THEN WE'D GO BACK AND GET A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT WORKED OUT BEFORE WE EVER CAME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
THIS IS WHAT WE, IT TOOK US ABOUT, IT TOOK US ABOUT 90 TO, WELL, 60 TO 90 DAYS TO GET A DEVELOPER'S WORKED OUT.
IT BENEFITED EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT.
IT WASN'T JUST TO COME IN AND GET IT DONE.
IT TOOK US FROM THE TIME WE STARTED, GOT EVERYTHING.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE HEART RATE PROJECT AND THE HEARTLAND PROJECT WENT SO SMOOTH.
WE ALL, LIKE, I WAS IN, IN FACT, WE DID IT AT, AT YOUR PLACE THERE, UH, WITH THE SHERIFF AND I, AND WE JUST DISCUSSED REALLY WASN'T MUCH NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, JIM BERRY SAYS, WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND WATER, WATER FOR CRANDALL.
AND THEY REALLY, UH, BUT IT WAS ALL IN WRITING.
AND, UH, IT WAS REALLY AN EASY WIN-WIN IS WHAT IT WAS.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY WIN-WINS ON THIS PROJECT.
ALL I CAN SAY IS OUR INTENTION TO HAVE A WIN-WIN HERE
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AS FAR AS FAR AS I KNOW.I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURE AND, AND ONCE THE DISTRICT PETITION IS GRANTED, THEN WE GO INTO THE NEGOTIATION STAGE.
NOW IF, IF, IF THE COUNTY IS DOING IT OPPOSITE TO THAT, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, SO BE IT.
THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD AS THE THE LAWS ARE THE INTENT.
I WAS JUST AWARE THAT ALL I NEEDED TO DO WAS BRING THE SHERIFF, OUR PUBLIC WORKS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND EVERYBODY, SO THAT WE COULD, UH, LOOK AT EACH OTHER, THE WATER SUPPLY GET ACQUAINTED.
THEN IF WE'D DONE THIS THIS MORNING, WE COULD DO THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT AND WE WOULD IRON OUT ALL THESE PROBLEMS OF AN EXTRA SCHOOL IF THAT'S WHAT THEY DECIDED THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH MORE THAN SAFETY HOUSES WITH WELLS POINT ALREADY.
THEY, THE SHERIFF VISITED AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND SO I, I PLAN ON HAVING ALL THESE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND NEGOTIATE OUR DEVELOPERS' AGREEMENT.
JIM, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT IS, BUT I WASN'T AWARE EACH OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE BROUGHT THEIR BEFORE THE DEAL.
UH, DO WE STILL NOT HAVE LEVERAGE OVER THEM, UH, AFTER THE, EVEN, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GRANT THIS, DO WE STILL NOT HAVE TO LEVERAGE ALL THEM TO, TO, I DON'T WANNA SAY FORCE, BUT TO AGREE YOU'RE ASKING ME A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT I IT WOULD ONLY BE IN THE SUBDIVISION.
BECAUSE ONCE THEY BECOME IN DISTRICT, THEY HAVE I CONDEMNATION, TAXES, BONDS, LEVY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, SO WE HAVE NO NEGOTIATION RIGHT NOW.
ANY COMMENTS FURTHER? ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP AND WOULD LIKE TO YOU WANT WE'RE GIVING YOU AN EXTRA MINUTE.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA MINUTE.
HIS QUESTION WAS WHY THIS WATER DISTRICT WAS CAUSING SUCH A COMMOTION.
FOR Y'ALL APPROVED SEVERAL IN THE PAST.
I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE PAST YOU WERE PROBABLY APPROVING A DISTRICT TO SERVE A, A COMMUNITY OR A EXISTING SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IN THIS CASE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, THIS DISTRICT HAS BEEN FORMED FOR PRIVATE, UH, PROFITS BY, BY PRIVATE BUSINESS.
WELL, IS EVER, EVER FRESHWATER SUPPLY.
BUT THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC AREA THAT THEY WANT TO SERVE.
THIS ONE, I WANNA CORRECT YOU WITH ONE.
YOU SAID THAT IT WAS ALREADY THE ONES WE CREATED BEFORE WE CREATED TO SERVE A SUBDIVISION ALREADY THERE.
WELL, AREAS THAT ALLOWED SUB FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICTS TO BE CREATE BEFORE WITH RAW LAND WHERE THEY WERE GOING INTO TO DEVELOPMENT.
BUT, BUT THESE, THESE WERE MOSTLY, SOMETIMES THEY WERE PROBABLY NON-PROFITS.
NO, WE NEVER, NO, THEY'RE ALL PROFIT.
THEY'RE ALL I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
LIKE ELMO, SOME PEOPLE OTHER, THEY SERVE, SERVE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ELMO WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT? YEAH.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.
THEY'VE GOT THE AREA THEY SERVE.
WE DON'T FIND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT A A, A UTILITY ENTITY THAT WAS CREATED BY THIS COURT, BUT BUT IS NOT, IS THIS NOT BEING USED BY PRIVATE INDUSTRY? YES, SIR.
EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN KAUFMAN COUNTY WAS DONE BY PRIVATE PEOPLE WHO HOPE TO MAKE A PROFIT.
THEY BUY THE LAND, THEY DEVELOP IT, THEY SELL THE LIFE.
THEY HOPE TO MAKE A PROFIT PRIVATE BUSINESS.
THE USE OF IN NT DOMAIN RIGHT NOW, THE FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICTS HAVE THE RIGHT OF IMMINENT DOMAIN.
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE PURPOSE OF PRIVATE INDUSTRY.
EVERY FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT THAT'S CREATED IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRIVATE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT HOPE THEY MAKE A PROFIT.
I'M SURE MR. BOSWELL THAT OWNS THIS LAND OUT THERE HOPES TO MAKE A PROFIT WHEN HE DEVELOPS IT AND HE'S GOING TO SELL HIS LOTS AT A PRICE THAT HE'S GONNA MAKE A PROFIT.
I MEAN, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THAT.
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IF THEY, IF A PERSON HAD A COUPLE HUNDRED ACRES AND, AND HE WASN'T GONNA MAKE A PROFIT ON IT, MR. WAS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, SIR, MR. BOWELL WAS TALKING ABOUT A AND HOW, RIGHT? YES.THE PIPELINE AND ALL THAT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT $31 MILLION.
JUST SPEAK ONE MORE MINUTE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
QUESTION MR.
HOW MANY HOMES WOULD THAT BE SUED? HOW MUCH POWER THAT IS? I, I THINK 4,000 MEGAWATTS IS A LOT OF POWER IN PROBABLY, UH, SUPPLY THE ELECTRICITY FOR A COMMUNITY OF OVER EMITTING PEOPLE.
BUT, BUT JAMES, JAMES, UH, 4,000 MEGAWATTS REPRESENTS ABOUT 8% OF THE TOTAL PEAK OF DEMAND FOR ERCOT, WHICH IS THE ELECTRICAL RELIABILITY COUNCIL OF TEXAS, WHICH SERVES MOST OF TEXAS.
SO IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT WOULD SERVE, UM, PROBABLY WELL OVER A MILLION PEOPLE.
AND WHAT IS THE MOST LIKELY USED FOR THAT 200 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT? THE POWER LINE OR THE WATER LINE? IT, IT IS, UH, BOTH.
WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS PUT A UNDERGROUND PIPELINE AND USE DC TRANSMISSION THAT WOULD BE BURIED CABLES.
THAT, THAT YET HAS NOT BEEN WORKED OUT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR PRIMARY DESIRE WOULD BE.
BUT, BUT WE INTEND AND HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR BOTH THE, OVER THE, THE ELECTRICAL TRANSMISSION AND THE WATER PIPELINE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY OR EASEMENTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
YOU ASK FOR AN EASEMENT, YOU PAY FOR THE LAND, YOU PUT IT IN, YOU RESTORE THE LAND, AND YOU GO, GO ALONG YOUR BUSINESS.
MR. ARMAN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMMENT AND THEN WE GOTTA MOVE ALONG.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE HERE.
AND FIRST OF ALL, ONE IS THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT SIT THERE, FILL UP THIS HEARING, BUT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
BUT THERE, THERE'S BEEN NO INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY, DIRECTLY, UM, UH, WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS? WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER.
WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
UH, THERE'S BEEN NO OPEN GOVERNMENT ON THIS PROCESS.
SO EVERY MEETING THAT, THAT THIS GROUP HAS HAD WITH, WITH MR. BOSWELL AND MR. DICK, ANYBODY HAS BEEN RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM AND IT'S BEEN POSTED, IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER, IT'S BEEN ON THE INTERNET.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S BEEN UNDERHANDED HERE, THE ONLY TIME SAYING I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I, I'M JUST SAYING IS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY NOT EVEN AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WELL, AND ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE BETWEEN HERE AND WEST TEXAS WHO IT'S GOING TO IMPACT AND THEY HAVE A SAY IN THIS PROCESS.
I WOULD THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE TODAY IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PETITION IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO CREATE THIS FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PETITION, IT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO DENY IT AT DISCIPLINE AT THIS TIME.
IF THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PETITION, THEN WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CHOICE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS TOLD BY SOME LEGAL COUNSEL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
IF THAT PETITION IS SUFFICIENT UNDER THE LAW, THEN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS TO ALLOW IT.
BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR LEGAL ADVISOR IS THAT IN, UH, FROM THE RESEARCH THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE DONE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PETITION HAS A PROBLEM.
AND, AND, UH, UH, OUR LEGAL ADVISOR HAS ADVISED US THAT, UH, NOT TO, UH, FROM WHAT I GATHER, WHAT HE SAID A WHILE AGO IS THAT IT HAS PROBLEMS. AND HE
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RECOMMENDS THAT WE NOT APPROVE THIS PETITION AT THIS TIME.IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND TODAY AND FILE ONE FOR NEXT TIME.
THE TIMING PURPOSES, IT WOULD BE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN APPROVED TODAY SUBJECT TO THE COURT APPROVING THE, THE, THE TECHNICALITIES OF THAT PETITION.
YEAH, THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE PETITION IS WHAT CONCERNS ME.
AND, UH, AND WE CAN GET RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT, BUT, BUT OUR TIMING IS SUCH THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE THAT NOVEMBER ELECTION DATE.
AND, AND IF WE COULD HAVE A POSTPONEMENT OR, OR A TABLING OF THE ISSUE AND, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE COURT RESOLVING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PETITION, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP US AND THEN ENHANCE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
NO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT APPROACH IS THAT WE TAKE AND THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I THINK HE'S ASKING JUDGE THAT BE, UH, LIKE IT BE DEEMED AS BEING APPROVED TODAY IF WE COME BACK LATER AND APPROVE IT.
DEEMED THAT IS BEING APPROVED TODAY.
I'M WORK OUT THE, WHAT I'M ASKING RETRO.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN, YOUR HONOR, PERHAPS WE COULD JUST REFILE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A DISPUTE ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS TODAY.
CONTINUE TO APPEAR IN UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON, OR DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO RECALL RE-NOTICE AND CALL AGAIN? I THINK YOU GOTTA RECALL RENO.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN AMEND IT TODAY AND GET IT DONE TODAY.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW IT'S A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA GO THE RIGHT WAY.
WE TOMORROW WOULD, THAT IS, IS THE TIMELINE TOMORROW HAVE TO BE DONE TODAY? YES, SIR.
JUDGE WILL STAY HERE TILL MIDNIGHT.
WE CAN DO IT TOMORROW MORNING.
WE, WE CAN GET IT DONE BY TOMORROW OR FIND OUT THAT WE CAN'T GET IT DONE.
I, I, I WOULD LEAN ON MY DA TO TELL ME WHAT, UH, WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
WELL, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST THINK PER, I KNOW IT'S A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE FOR 'EM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA REFILE AND AMEND THE PETITION, THAT I THINK ALL THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE THERE AND, WELL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO REFILE THIS.
WE GONNA TRY TO SATISFY THE COURT THAT THE PETITION AS FILED IS SATISFACTORY.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE Y'ALL WOULD PREFER, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND IF ALL OF THIS PETITION IS DEEMED TO BE SATISFACTORY, WE WOULD A LITTLE FURTHER AND GET, AND COMMISSIONER GELLER IS SAYING JUST THE COURT WON'T BE BACK IN SESSION UNTIL NEXT MONDAY, IS FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT DECISION THAT JUST, JUST TO TRY AND, YEAH.
UH, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS JUST TO TURN AROUND, AROUND AND REFILE THIS AFTERNOON OR TOMORROW.
THEN THAT THROWS THE, UH, ELECTION UNTIL MAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD DELAY IT BE MORE COST OF THE COST BE COST.
WHAT WOULD, SO YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT AN AMENDED PETITION AND HAVE IT BE OPEN.
I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME.
WHY, WHY WOULD THAT BE CRITICAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT? WELL, BECAUSE IT'LL TAKE YOU THAT LONG TO DO YEARS AND YEAR END AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, BUT STILL WE ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO STAY ON A CRITICAL TIMELINE, CRITICAL PATH AND TIME IS MONEY.
AND, AND IF WE ARE DELAYED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, IT'S JUST THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSE AND THAT MUCH MORE TO PLAY.
UH, WELL, AS FAR AS PURPOSES OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, I'VE ENTERTAINED A MOTION TO MOVE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK TO OUR RECORD MEETING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BROWN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ER.
SO MOTION PASSED AND WE'LL MOVE FROM OUR PUBLIC HEARING BACK TO OUR RECORD SESSION.
UH, OKAY GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ON THE, UH, UH, ADOPTING
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CONTINUE? I OF OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY? THINK IF OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY BELIEVES THAT, THEN THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT.YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH CHOICE THERE.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK FAVOR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL FAIR.
AND PROVING IT, UH, THAT PETITION AT THIS TIME WILL BE TAKEN, UH, NOW THAT IT BRINGS US ROUND TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2007, 2008.
UH, JIM, UM, JACK, YOU PUT THAT UP, UH, A LINE IF YOU WOULD, AND THEN PUT THE NEXT ONE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX.
UH, THE ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING TO PUBLIC HEARING MAJORITY THE, UH, TAX PROPOSED TAX RATE FROM FISCAL YEAR TWO
ALL MOTION CARRIES WILL MOVE FROM REGULAR MEETING TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED TAX RATE.
UH, IF ANYBODY WANNA SIGN UP, UH, REGARDING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE YOU WISH, PLEASE COME UP AND SIGN.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, FIRST LADY WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON OUR TAX RATE IS MARGARET CROOK.
MS. CROOK, WOULD YOU COME UP AND, UH, TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? YOU LIVE IN
WHERE THE LAST ROAD WHERE YOU GET THE COMPANY.
YOU HAVE, YOU'RE LIKE THE GUY THAT HAD A WILLS POINT ADDRESS LIVED IN COUNTY.
NOW YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON.
I'M ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO ANY TAX INCREASE UNTIL THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND THE TAX COLLECTOR CAN GET THEIR RECORDS COLLECT CORRECTED AND UPDATED.
AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED LAND THAT KAMAN COUNTY OFFICIALS JUST WISH WOULD GO AWAY, THAT IT ISN'T GONNA GO AWAY AND IT'S NOT GONNA DROP OFF THE FACE OF THE DER EVEN THOUGH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT THINKS THAT IT HAS, EXCEPT WHEN THEY PREPARE THE TAX BILLS.
WE HAVE WORKED ENDLESS, ENDLESS HOURS
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UNRAVELING THE LEGAL MESS THAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN FROM THE LAND THAT WE PURCHASED.THE ONLY RESPONSES THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN WHEN WE HAVE TRIED TO PRESENT OUR EVIDENCE IS YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE BOUGHT THAT LAND.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT HAS CERTAINLY BECOME A TAX PRODUCTIVE CASH COW SINCE WE DID PURCHASE IT.
AND THE SHERIFF'S PEOPLE THAT COME OUT THERE HAD ARE JUST AMAZED AT THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAD MADE IN THE SHORT TIME THAT WE HAD OWNED THE LAND.
AND THEN THE SECOND MOST FAMOUS REPEATED PHRASE, WHEN ANYBODY GOES TO THE TAX OFFICE OR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, OH, THEIR HANDS.
OH, THAT'S JUST A MESS OUT THERE.
WELL, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT A MEXICAN GETTING CORRECTED? WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IF WE COULD GET ANY COUNTY PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO US, WE HAVE THE COUNTY SURVEYOR WOULD NOT EVEN GO OUT THERE, THE COUNTY SURVEYOR.
BUT THANK GOODNESS WE FOUND A GOOD, RELIABLE, WELL-KNOWN SURVEYOR WHO'S GONE OUT THERE AND PROVED WHAT WE KNEW.
AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF GOOD TIME AND A LOT OF GOOD MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT DONE ANY GOOD.
WE CAN GET NEITHER NOR THE APPRAISAL OF DEPARTMENT NOR THE TAX DEPARTMENT TO EVEN GIVE US THE COURTESY OF AN APPOINTMENT TO PRESENT OUR EVIDENCE.
THE ONLY SOURCE OF HELP THAT WE HAVE HAD HAS COME FROM THE MAYOR OF FOREIGN DARRELL GROOMS, AND HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
UNTIL SUCH TIMES AS CORRECTIONS ARE MADE ON THE HANDLING OF THE TAX THAT WE ALREADY PAY, I WILL REMAIN VOCIFEROUSLY OPPOSED TO ANY GREATER TAXATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU CANNOT MANAGE THE MONEY WE'RE PAYING NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COME AND ASK US TO PAY MORE.
THANK YOU MR. CHRIS, YOU REALIZE THAT THIS NEW TAX RATE IS LOWER THAN LAST YEAR? I DON'T CARE.
I JUST
I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT THOUGH, UH, IN CASE Y'ALL ARE NOT FAMILIAR, THE PROPERTY THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
YEARS AND YEARS AGO, UH, UH, MR. BLANKENSHIP OWNED THIS PROPERTY AND HE DID NOT PLATTER WITH THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY, UH, UH, HE WENT OUT THERE AND ON HIS OWN, STARTED SELLING LOTS AND EVERYTHING AND NEVER WAS PLAYED WITH THE COUNTY.
SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OWNING PART OF THIS AND THE PROPERTY THEY BOUGHT SURROUNDS.
WELL, WHY CAN'T WE GO FORWARD AND CORRECT IT? WE'VE DONE ALL THAT.
WE PAID ALL THESE, UH, FEES TO LAWYERS AND, UH, TITLE PEOPLE AND SURVEYORS.
WE'VE GOT IT STRAIGHTENED OUT.
IF WE COULD GET THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH US, THEY SURE KNOW WHERE WE ARE WHEN THEY MAIL THE TAX BILLS.
YOU'RE EQUATING THIS GROUP HERE WITH THE SINGLE APPRAISAL.
WELL, I KNOW BECAUSE THIS, I, I, I CALLED HIM.
I, I WROTE THE, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND ASKED HIM WHO HIS BOSS IS AND I COULD NOT GET AN ANSWER.
NOW HE TOLD MY HUSBAND THAT HE DIDN'T, UH, LIKE ME CALLING HIM A BUFFOON, BUT IF THE SHOE FITS, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON OUR, ON US LOWERING THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR? ALRIGHT, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TAX RATE AND GO BACK INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FOWLER.
MOTION CARRIES BACK IN OUR REGULAR SESSION.
NEXT ONE WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS LARRY EWING.
IS LARRY HERE? IF HE'S NOT HERE, THAT MEANS THAT, UH, WE HAVE NOT REACHED THE, UH, THE, THE DROUGHT INDEX THAT WE'RE SUFFICIENT.
AND WILL WILL, UH, MR. ER SAYS, LET
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TABLE THAT AND COMMISSIONER SHANE AGREES AND THE REST OF 'EM WILL VOTE.ALL IN FAVOR AND WE'LL TABLE THAT TILL NEXT MONDAY.
UH, NEXT HAVE IS, UH, DICK MURPHY, OUR COUNTY TAX ACCESS COLLECTOR TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVING TAXPAYER REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF PENALTIES AND INTEREST OF THE, OF THE BY THE LAW.
SIR, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MS. PRU.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, UH, PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS NEXT WEEK WOULD BE FINE OR WE CAN AHEAD AND DO IT.
UH, WHAT HAS PROMPTED THIS IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF MAYBANK SOME TIME AGO AND JUST LAST WEEK, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND KEMP ELECTED TO GO THIS ROUTE WHEN, UH, DEALING WITH TAXPAYER REQUESTS FOR WAIVER OF PENALTY AND INTEREST, IT, UH, SEEMS LIKE IT PUTS, MAKES IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY, YOU GUYS, ON THE TAX OFFICE, ON ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY.
IF ULTIMATELY WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TO DO THIS TO, UH, APPROVE A WAIVER SUBJECT TO THE LAW FIRM DETERMINING THAT ALL THE LEGALITIES HAVE BEEN MET, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO, SET UP AS A PROCEDURE, APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE LAW FIRM, DETERMINING THAT ALL LEGAL REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.
NOW THIS WOULD BE SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAY, I WAS DONE WRONG.
UH, Y'ALL DID, DIDN'T DO THIS, AND, AND NOW WE HAVE FELT AN INTEREST.
NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WAIVE, DUMP AN INTEREST BECAUSE YOU MADE A MISTAKE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHEN ONE OF THESE COMES IN, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, LIKE, YOU'D LIKE TO GET PERMISSION THEN JUST TO TURN THAT REQUEST OVER TO THE LAW FIRM THAT HANDLES THAT.
WELL, IT HAS TO GET THROUGH ME FIRST.
IF IT GETS THROUGH ME, UH, I WAS, I HAVE THE TAXPAYER, THE PETITION TO YOU TO WAIVE IT.
AT THAT POINT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE, BUT TO APPROVE IT.
SUBJECT TWO, THE LEGALITIES BEING THERE.
THAT WAY THE ATTORNEY CAN WRITE THE LETTER THAT SAYS, YES, THEY APPROVED IT, OR NO THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER.
WAS THE LAW FIRM GONNA MAKE THE DETERMINATION IF IT IS GRANTED OR NOT? GRANTED, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO EVENTUALLY SAY THEY, THEY'LL MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THE LEGALITIES ARE THERE, ARE NOT THERE.
OH, AND THEN THEY WOULD ADVISE BY LETTER.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER DELLER HAS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, BY STATUTE, THIS DESIRE BAILIWICK AND HE'S CONCERNED.
I THINK ABOUT, I I I I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR JIM.
WELL, THERE, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT NOT ACTUALLY MAKING THAT DECISION.
BUT IF WE HAD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LAW FIRM ADVISE THE LEGALITIES OF THERE.
THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THEY ACT RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO ACT ON.
AND THIS CAME ABOUT, UH, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS, MY QUESTION PROBLEM, THE LETTER FROM
AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
WE, WE, I THINK WE MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE AND I THINK WE NEED TO RECTIFY THAT, BUT I THAT WE DO.
BUT IF WE DO WHAT THE WAY IT SAYS, THEN IT'S RECTIFIED WITHOUT US EVER KNOWING.
YEAH, THERE ARE THREE IN GENERAL, THERE ARE THREE PIECES OF LAW.
ONE, IT HAS TO BE IN THE DEFAULT HAS TO BE AN ERROR OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT OR THE TAX ORDERS.
SECOND, THE TAX HAS TO BE PAID WITHIN 21 DAYS OF WHEN THE TAXPAYER KNOWS IT'S DUE.
AND THIRD, IT ALL HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN 180 DAYS OF THE DELINQUENCY DATE.
NOW THERE ARE OTHER DIFFERENT LAWS THAT SAY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT BASICALLY THOSE ARE THE ONES I DEAL WITH.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT SEPARATE.
YOU SAID THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, DO THEY WANT US TO DO THIS FIRST AND THEN THEY MAKE NO, THEY'VE DONE IT.
THEY BANK SINCE THEY'RE ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS TO START WITH.
AND LAST TWO WEEKS AGO WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND KIM ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
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THIS CAME UP AND JEFF BROWN WAS EXPLAINING TO HIM HOW HE, TO THE BOARD, HOW THEY DO IT WITH MAYBANK.HOW DID THAT BEFORE HE GOT THROUGH, BEFORE HE GOT THROUGH, THEY HAD A MOTION AND PASSED
ARE WE GONNA OFFER THIS TO ALL THE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS? I'M GONNA TRY TO ENCOURAGE EVERY ENTITY TO DO THIS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO A BLANKET IF WE DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
WELL, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE THEIR DECISION.
CAN'T MAKE NO, WE CAN'T OFFER SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT MOST OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TELL ME, WELL, WE'LL WAIVE IT IF THE COUNTY WAIVER.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY ALWAYS SAY.
WELL, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO RELY ON THE LAW FIRM'S OPINION OF THE LEGALITIES.
AND WE STILL HAVE THE FIVE TO SAY AS TO YES.
WERE YOU SUCCESSFUL IN KEMP, BY THE WAY? SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT'S YOUR DE YES, WE HAD A, WE HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING.
I BELIEVE WE UH, WE, WE ACCEPT THE FIXED, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR WAIVER PENALTIES AND INTEREST SUBJECT TO REVIEW OF THE BY THE, UH, TAX LAW FIRM.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROUTE MAKES THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, NEXT HAVE, UH, JACKSON PASTURE.
WE GONNA DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE LEASE PURCHASE OF A JOHN DEERE GRA FOR PRECINCT ONE THROUGH THE HGAC COOPERATIVE PROGRAM.
JUDGE COMMISSIONER ROUNDS DID REQUEST THIS PURCHASE OF, UH, THE TOTAL PRICE IS $184,460.
HE'S ALSO TRADING ONE, UH, USED MOTOR IN, UH, BAG AT 42,000.
AND THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE OF $142,460.
AND THAT WOULD BE TO RDO EQUIPMENT IN IRVING.
UH, THEY HAVE HGC CONTRACT, WHICH MEET ALL THE GOOD REQUIREMENTS.
TO MAKE IT SO I HAVE TO GO BORROW HIS ALL THE TIME.
I'M MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
BE PRETTY, UH, PRETTY AVAILABLE, PRETTY QUICK, PRETTY SOON.
YOU WANNA HAVE, YOU ALREADY GOT IT.
THAT'S WHY I NEED TO GET THIS PASSED TODAY.
DISCUSS, CONSIDER PROVEN 3%, UH, INCREASE IN COST OF LIVING, BENEFICIAL TO THE COFFMAN COUNTY RETIREES.
UH, JUDGE, WE HAVE GIVEN A COAL SINCE 2001.
RETIREES AND 3%, UH, COAL ISSUE WOULD COST US ABOUT 38,000 BUCKS.
NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S A 15 YEAR DEAL.
SO IT COST US POINT 19% OF SALARY EVERY YEAR FOR 15 YEARS.
SO THEORETICALLY BE DOUBLE IN SIZE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IT COSTS US 76,000 BUCKS.
BUT, UH, UH, MOST OF THE COUNTIES SET OUR SIZE IS LARGER.
OTHER DISTRICTS GET CLOSED PRETTY OFTEN IN, WELL GET, GET CLOSED EVERY YEAR.
SO I THINK WE'RE COUNT OF COME PAST YOU.
WE HAVE TO GIVE ONE OF SIX YEARS.
I MOVE ABOUT JOHN, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL RETIRED.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROUND.
NEXT WE, UH, WANT TO CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD OF CA COUNTY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE THAT ADAM SINCLAIR REPLACED ON THE BOARD.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER, ER SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
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LIVED IN THAT DISTRICT.SO YOU HAVE TO HE LIVES, LIVES.
IF THEY WORK FOR SOMEBODY, I GOT TWO.
THOSE FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT WERE CREATED YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS NEXT ONE.
DISCUSS, CONSIDER INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TON COUNTY FRESH FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT ONE C.
YOU GOT, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, IN WINDMILL FARM PARK.
ACTUALLY I WANT TABLE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO HAVE THEIR MEETINGS SINCE THEY, THEY'VE AN ENTITY.
THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 200 FEET OF DIRT CONCRETE STREET THAT DOES NOT MEET OUR COUNTY ROAD.
UH, THEY LET EVERYBODY OUT THERE TO FIX THAT PRICE OF $4,000 TO FIX THAT LITTLE 200 CONSTRUCTION ROAD.
THEY BOARD DIRECTOR HAS AGREED TO THAT.
UH, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN ME THE PAPERWORK LIKE YET.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THAT.
TABLE THAT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ER.
NEXT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONSOLIDATE CONSOLIDATING VOTING LOCATIONS FOR THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2007 ELECTIONS.
DICK, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT OR YOU WANT THE GUYS JUST TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE GOT? THAT'S ALL I GOT.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD EXCEPT THE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE COST OF HOLDING ELECTIONS AND WE'VE, UH, DONE THIS TO THE CONVENIENCE OF MOST VOTERS.
AND OF COURSE WE HAD TO KEEP IN MIND THE SPECIAL ELECTION WHERE THERE'S A CITY OR ANOTHER ELECTION.
WE HAVE TO, OR SCHOOL BOARD AS A SCHOOL ELECTION.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE ACCOMMO, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS BEST WE COULD AND STILL, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POLLING PLACES.
HOW MANY YOU GOING? HOW MANY YOU GONNA CONSOLIDATE? UH, THERE'LL BE 10.
AND IN EARLY VOTING, WE WILL HAVE FIVE THIS YEAR WOULD CAUSE THE CRANDALL SCHOOL BOND ISSUE.
AND EACH YEAR WHAT PROMPTS THIS KIND OF CONSOLIDATION IS THAT EACH ELECTION WE'VE HAD, WE'VE INCREASED THE PERCENTAGE OF VOTERS WHO VOTE EARLY.
WE'RE UP TO WHERE I EXPECT THIS YEAR TO BE 70% OF VOTERS TO ACTUALLY VOTE EARLY.
AND THEREFORE THE CONSOLIDATION OF POLLING PLACES, UH, MAKES SENSE.
IS THERE NOT A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VOTERS FOR ONE VOTING PRECINCT LOCATION? ONE VOTING LOCATION? THERE'S A MAXIMUM NUMBER FOR A PRECINCT, BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PRECINCTS.
WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THE POLLING PLACES.
WE'LL HAVE EACH PRECINCT, THREE OR FOUR PRECINCTS VOTING IN ONE COMBINED POLLING PLACE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS BORDER LOCATED.
BUT BUT IT'LL SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY.
SO YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE LEGALITY ISSUE I'M THINKING OF.
OH, WE, WE'VE UH, CLEARED ALL THIS FOR SECRETARY COMM SHANE MAKES THE MOTION.
I SHOULD ASKED ANY MORE DISCUSSION.
WE CONSIDER THE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, DICK, YOUR HONOR, THROUGH YET? SORRY.
UH, NEXT WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE EARLY VOTING
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AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE A COPY OF THEM.WELL THE EARLY VOTING ARE THE FOUR NORMAL EARLY VOTING PLACES, WHICH IS THE ANNEX HERE AND EACH SUB COURTHOUSE.
PLUS WE'VE ADDED THE COMBINE, UH, CRANDALL COMMUNITY LIBRARY OR COMMUNITY CENTER AS A FIFTH ONE, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, NOT ONLY THE POPULATION BUT THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVING A BOND ELECTION THERE.
NOW WE'VE USED THAT BEFORE AS AN EARLY VOTING PLACE IN OTHER ELECTIONS.
WE'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION THEN TO HAVE THOSE FIVE LOCATIONS FOR EARLY VOTING FOR THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2007 ELECTION.
NO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROBINSON ABOUT COMMISSIONER SHANE.
NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSSED CONSIDER A ROAD REPAIR FOR THE CITY OF ROSSER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWING.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER RENEWING MEMBERSHIP AND MAIN VIEWS AND THE ONIC RESOURCE CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
TOKEN, UH, DID SEND INFORMATION ON THAT BUT OKAY.
UH, WE'VE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE, UH, RACE CLEAR SINCE THEY CAME ABOUT.
THEY DO FILTER SOME MONEY IN THE CALTON COUNTY.
UH, ONE OF THE UM, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN.
UH, MARILYN ALWAYS RECOMMENDS WE DO IT STAY.
AND THIS, IT FIRST CAME ABOUT WHEN, UH, UM, MARILYN'S PREDECESSOR WAS THERE.
MEMBERSHIP DUE ARE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR.
AND IF ONE NEEDY FAMILY IN THE COUNTY GET SOME HELP.
UH, NOW WE WANNA DISCUSS PUTTING OUT THEM INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF CRANDALL FOR ROAD REPAIRS.
AFTER THAT'S, UH, PRECINCT TWO.
THEY GOT THE ROADS OUTSIDE THEIR CITY THAT, UH, NEED SOME ATTENTION ON AND I TOLD THEM I COULD NOT WORK ON IT WITHOUT ANY LOCAL AGREEMENT.
I'VE GOT COPY OF THE STANDARD IN LOCAL AGREEMENT.
WE GOT EVERYBODY ELSE ROAD MAINTENANCE HERE.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, TAKE THAT MOTION OUTSIDE THEIR SEAT ON THE EDGE OF THEIR ACTUAL SEAT.
IT'S INSIDE THERE, SITTING THERE STILL INSIDE THERE.
CEILING YOU GO REPAIRING ANY OF MY ROAD.
I WON'T PRESS SECOND WHERE MY, I DON'T THINK HE WAS HERE BUT I SECOND THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CLARK MAKES THE MOTION AND UH, COMMISSIONER LER SECOND IT A DOLLAR AMOUNT YET.
NOW THIS JUST, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT AGREEMENT AGREEMENT.
ALRIGHT, ON THE THIRD, A MOTION CARRIED.
YES, WE PROPOSED SIGNIFICANT LINE ON TRANSFERS IN COUNTY COURT LAW.
TWO, INCREASED OFFICE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT.
THE EXTRA AND YOUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCREASED OFFICE SUPPLY OF 6,000 IN LIFE INSURANCE COSTS OF 1000 WITH PRODUCTION.
MISCELLANEOUS DA'S OFFICE INCREASED EXTRA HELP, WHICH IS SWITCH BETWEEN EXTRA HELP AND SALARY FOR SECRETARIES OF 2000.
TAX SUCCESSOR COLLECTORS AREA INCREASED OPERATING EXPENSES 2,500 WITH DEDUCTIONS PRIMARILY IN MILEAGE MILL AND LODGING AND DUES UNDER MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.
INCREASED JANITOR JANITORIAL SERVICE.
$1,300 WITH PRODUCTION PRIMARILY IN LAWN CARE AND, AND UH, JANITORIAL SERVICE.
INCREASED OFFICE EQUIPMENT, $1,000 PRODUCTION OF GAS AND OIL DPS INCREASED COMMUNICATIONS.
$1,300 FOR REDUCTION IN EXTRA HEALTH CAPITAL
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OUTLAY INCREASED REPAIRS TO COUNTY PROPERTY OF 3000 WITH REDUCTION IN AIR CONDITIONING, HEATING COSTS, ROAD BRIDGE, PRECINCT FLOOD, INCREASED EXTRA HEALTH, 8,000 REDUCTION, SOME SALARY COSTS.EXTRA HELP VERSUS SALARIES OF 2000.
A SOLID WASTE CONVENIENCE STATION.
SWITCH BETWEEN THE HOLOCAUST 14 LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST.
WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROWLEY.
THAT'S GONNA BE A JURY SITTING COUNTING THOSE WAY.
YOU GOOD? SOMEBODY, THIS GUY DECIDE TO THIS.
THERE WAS A WRECK OUT THERE THIS MORNING.
I WAS DRIVING BY AND THE TROOPER, SURELY THAT'S NOT RICK.
THE TROOPERS WRECKING TRAFFIC.
HE GOES YEAH, THAT THIS GUY WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
YEAH, HE WAS OVER ON YEAH, ON THE EAST SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WELL HE, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE ROLLOVER THEORY.
HE DIDN'T GET THE ROLLOVER THEORY.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
IT'S, SOMETHING'S NOT, I THINK IT LIKE TURN THAT OFF.
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WE DID THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.I IT SHOULD OFFICE SHOULD YOU COULD MAKE IT WORK.
AND WE YOU COULD FUND THE GIVE DONATION TO TELL THE HUH DID TELL THE TRUTH AND HE TOLD ME AND HE'S SITTING THERE RIGHT THERE WITH ALL THESE LAWYERS AROUND HIM.
THE FISH STARTED THROWING BACK IN.
YEAH, WELL YOU KNOW HE IS, UH, HE, HIS THE LACK OF UH, WORKING AND DOING TOO MUCH ON SATURDAY RESULTING IN DAD GOING OUT AND HELPING UH, THE COUNTY JUDGE WITH HIS FENCE ON SUNDAY.
AND I SAID I WHY OLD SON MONEY WORKING? HE LIKE FISH.
OH DID THEY? HOW YOU DOING JIM? THE ONE? YEAH.
WAS THAT THE VERY FIRST THAT I READING? STILL WIN.
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OH MY GOD.I THOUGHT THAT GUYS, IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU DURING A PUBLIC MEETING WHEN YOU'RE MICROPHONE TURNED OFF.
WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE HEY BILL.
UH, ANYBODY WATCH NORTH TEXAS? WHAT ABOUT THE LIVE ONE? 75? PROBABLY.
THE FRESHMEN THAT COME, ALL THE BASS, CRAB, CRAB, QUARTERBACK.
HE DOESN'T SAID THAT, SAID THAT THIS MORNING.
NEXT IT'S KNOW LAST YEAR HAROLD GOT HEARD.
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NO.DID Y'ALL, UH, I DUNNO WHAT TOWN IT WAS.
WAS 59-YEAR-OLD GUY STILL HAVE ONE? YES.
THEY, I THE NAME OF THE, THAT CONFERENCE SOMEONE DID.
HE WAS, HE WAS EXERCISE NUT IN VERY GOOD BIG.
WHO? THAT THAT THE WHOLE PAPER.
WOULD YOU CALL CATHY WHEN YOU BACK TO THE OFFICE HAVE SURE, SURE.
WHAT DID IT TAKE? MOTION? BAKERFIELD.
SO MADE COMMISSIONER ROW BY COMMISSIONER CLARK MOTION.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER SAID.
COMMISSIONER CLARKS MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND.
AND COMMISSIONER ERS HIS HAND UP.