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HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK THE FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF GATHERING TOGETHER LIKE THIS, UH, TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY.
PLEASE GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM TO MAKE GREAT DECISIONS, AND HELP US TO DO THAT WELL, HAS ALWAYS LOOK WITH A FAVOR ON OUR SOLDIERS AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY.
BRING THEM HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND HELP THEM TO SEE THE LIGHT.
ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS' NAME, FLAG, PLEASE.
ALLEGIANCE, FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, FLAG HONOR, ALLEGED ALLEGIANCE TO BE A TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
COPIES OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, WE ENTERTAIN MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
UH, I'M GONNA SKIP AROUND A LITTLE BIT THIS MORNING.
WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN TO ITEM 12 ON MY AGENDA, AND THAT'S, UH, TO DISCUSS.
CONSIDER PROCLAIMING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 7TH THROUGH OCTOBER 12TH AS NATIONAL FOUR H WEEK IN KAUFMAN COUNTY.
AND WE HAVE SOME YOUNG PEOPLE HERE THIS MORNING, UH, REPRESENTING THE FOUR H CLUB.
WOULD Y'ALL COME FORWARD PLEASE? AND, AND THAT MICROPHONE THERE AT THE, UH, PODIUM SHOULD BE ON.
OF COURSE, I'VE NEVER KNOWN SOME OF Y'ALL TO NEED A MICROPHONE.
AND I WAS COMMENTING ON HIS JACKET.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, HE CAME RUSH WINNING THE MASTER SINCE WE
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF MY LOCAL CLUB, PRESIDENT OF COSMAN COUNTY FOUR H AND I'M ALSO A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT FOUR FOUR H COUNCIL AND A STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL
AND I'M ALSO, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE DI, OR I'M SORRY, KAUFMAN COUNTY FOUR H AND A DISTRICT FOUR DELAWARE.
I AM RAN MOORE AND I'M THE, UH, FIRST FIVES OF MY LOCAL CLUB AND THE TREASURER OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY COUNCIL.
THE FOUR H PROGRAM IN TEXAS BEGAN WITH THE FUNDING OF JACK COUNTY'S BOYS CORN CLUB IN 1908, THE 24 FARM BOYS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THOMAS M. MARKS, LEARNING HOW TO USE IMPROVED PRODUCTION METHODS TO GROW CORN IN THEIR FARM.
THE FIRST GIRLS FOUR PROGRAM GREW OUT OF THE LIN COUNTY GIRLS TOMATO
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CLUBS, FOUNDED BY EDNA TRADE IN THE SANDY CREEK COMMUNITY, WHERE GIRLS WERE ONE 10TH OF AN ACRE OF TOMATOES AND CANNED THEM USING IMPROVED PRODUCTION IN CANDY METHODS.THE FOUR H PROGRAM THAT WE KNOW TODAY INVOLVED OUT OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE 1920S WITH THE NET, WITH THE MOTTO TO MAKE THE BEST BETTER THROUGH THE WISE AND EFFECTIVE USE OF THE FOUR H'S.
THE REPRESEN REPRESENTING HEAD, HEART, HANDS, AND HEALTH FORAGE MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE MADE MANY WORTHWHILE CONTRIBUTIONS TO CITIZENS OF TEXAS AND THIS NATION, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH WAS THE CAMPAIGN, WHICH SENT MANY TONS OF VALUABLE FOOD AND CLOTHING TO OUR TROOPS DURING WORLD WAR II AND IS DOING THE SAME IN THE IRAQ WAR.
IRAQ THROUGH ITS 100 YEARS OF EXISTENCE IN TEXAS FOUR H PROGRAM, HAS REACHED MORE THAN 1 MILLION BOYS AND GIRLS WITH EDUCATIONAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL PROGRAMS, AND WHICH HAVE CON CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THESE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE FAMILIES.
FROM THE 24 BOYS STARTED IN JACK COUNTY HAS NOW REACHED OVER 650,000 YOUTH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, MAKING TEXAS FOUR H THE LARGEST YOUTH ORGANIZATION.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT REACHES OUT TO OVER 10,000 YOUTH HERE IN KAUFMAN COUNTY ALONE IN THE FOUR H IN THE CLASSROOM PROGRAM.
FOUR H TO ME HAS MADE IT TO WHERE I'VE JUMPED UP THERE AND TAKEN THE LEADERSHIP FRAUD RESPONSIBILITIES OF MY COUNTY, DISTRICT AND STATE LEVEL.
MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE HERE AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE SAME WITHOUT IT.
FOUR H HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS FOR ME, UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, PROBABLY BEING ON A LOT OF LEADERSHIP ROLES THAT I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN ON OTHERWISE.
AND IT'S ALSO HELPED ME NOT TO BE SO SHY AND MAKE IT UP AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF PEOPLE ON HANDS.
IT'S HELPED ME, UH, I THINK THE MOST WITH MY SPEAKING SKILLS JUST LIKE THEM.
I WOULD BE ABLE TO GET UP HERE AND, UH, DO THIS LIKE I AM NOW.
AND WITH, UH, BEING HOMESCHOOLED, BEING IN FOUR H UH, LED ME TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, JUST GETTING TO TAKE ON SO MANY, SO MANY GREAT THINGS.
UH, IT'S 40 PROGRAM HERE IN KAMAN COUNTY'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME TOO.
UM, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER THAN YOU ALL, I, UH, I HAD ONE YEAR I PUT OUT A A AND THEN I HAD A CARD PROJECT ONE YEAR, AND LIKE THREE OF YOU, I COULDN'T STAND UP IN FRONT OF A GROUP AND TALK EITHER.
AND I THINK THAT OF ALL MY TIME IN FORAGE, I THINK THAT'S THING I STILL REMEMBER IS HAVING TO STAND UP AND, AND GET IN FRONT OF A GROUP AND, AND TALK.
AND OF COURSE, AS Y'ALL KNOW IT, IT REALLY AFFECTS ME TODAY TOO.
GET UP IN FRONT OF THE GROUP, YOU KNOW, IT'S GROUP.
BUT THAT IS A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
UH, UH, CONGRATULATE THE THREE OF YOU AND ALL THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS.
WE HAVE SOME ADULT LEADERS HERE.
UH, VICKY, UH, THIS IS THE MOTHER OF TWO OF OUR PEOPLE HERE.
AND, UH, SHE'S BEEN, UH, A FOUR H LEADER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
LET'S SAY SHE HAS HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
UM, ANY COMMENTS, GUYS? UH, NO.
WE DO RECOGNIZE THE, UH, CONTRIBUTION THAT YOU ALL MAKE TO OUR COUNTY AND TO OUR NATION.
WE'RE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THE, THE ABILITY TO GET UP IN FRONT OF A GROUP AND EXPRESS YOURSELF CLEARLY AND CONCISELY, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT'LL HELP YOU IN ANY LINE OF WORK YOU GO TO.
WHERE YOU TRYING TO BE A COUNTY JUDGE OR WHAT?
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOUR FOR 44 YEARS.
I TELL YOU HOW LONG I'VE BEEN DOING IT, I WASN'T GONNA SAY.
AND, UH, THE ABILITY TO GET AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF PUBLIC LIKE THAT IS A GREAT ASSET.
UH, AT A CONFERENCE WE WERE AT IN GALVESTON, THERE WERE TWO FOUR H MEMBERS, FOUR H MEMBERS DOWN THERE.
AND I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW CHRIS BOWMAN FROM A AND M, THAT MAN, HE IS NOT A MAN TO ME.
HE'S, HE'S STILL JUST A KID, BUT HE'S A DOCTOR NOW.
ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SPEAKERS I THINK I'VE HEARD IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
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WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO DECLARE THE WEEK OCTOBER 7TH THROUGH THE 12TH AS NATIONAL FOUR H WEEK IN COFFMAN COUNTY.SO THE MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
THEY'VE GOTTA GET BACK TO SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE TOOK THEM EARLY.
I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, EXIT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, FROM LARRY KLEIN, UH, DISCUSSING SET INFORMATION PRESENTED BY LARRY KLEIN REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CHIO AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
UH, MAYOR HAD CONTACTED ME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, REGARDING THIS, AND, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE GATHERING AND I ADVISED HIM THAT ONCE HE GOT ALL OF THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND GOT READY TO PRESENT IT TO THE COURT, AND, UH, WE COME IN AND, AND WE HEAR WHAT IS GOING ON.
UH, WE, MR. SHANE AND COMMISSIONER CLARK TO MEET WITH THE GROUP FOR PRELIMINARY AND SO THEY'D KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WHEN WE CAME TO THE COURT.
SO ALL WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY, MAYOR, IS JUST FOR Y'ALL TO PRESENT WHAT IT IS FOR EVERYBODY TO TRY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE WANTING HERE.
UH, THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO COME TO YOU WITH THIS MATTER TODAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY ALSO, UH, COUNCILMAN JACK JONES HAS, UH, COME OVER WITH US AND OUR CITY MANAGER, TORY EDWARDS, AND CITY ENGINEER STEVE ROGERS.
AND, UH, ADMINISTRATOR, ADMINISTRATOR OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
UH, BUT LARRY KLEIN IS GOING TO, UH, THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT HE'S, UH, DEFINITELY AN EXPERT IN, IN THIS, UH, TAXING FROM A FINANCING MATTER.
AND SO I THINK THE SIMPLEST THING FOR ME TO DO WOULD BE TO JUST TURN IT OVER TO HIM AND ASK HIM TO PRESENT ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND HE WILL BE CERTAINLY CAPABLE OF ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULDN'T.
SO, UH, LARRY, IF YOU'RE READY, UH, WE'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
THIS IS LARRY KLEIN WHO IS WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL.
AND, UH, I GUESS STEVE IS GONNA BE HIS ABLE ASSISTANT AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND LETTING US COME FROM.
THANK YOU, MR. I THINK WE'RE READY ON THIS END.
JUDGE, ARE YOU READY? I THINK SO.
MY NAME'S LARRY, UH, JUDGE, AND I'M PLEASED TO HERE TODAY TO VISIT INVESTMENT ZONE.
AND I THOUGHT, UH, WE, WE MIGHT TAKE JUST A FEW MINUTES TO, TO TALK ABOUT, AND I'M GONNA CALL
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IT T SOME PEOPLE CALL IT, UH, BOTH, UH, ACRONYMS MEAN THE SAME THING, BUT I LIKE BETTER THAN, UH, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT TIFF TODAY.STEVE, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE.
UH, JUST TALKING ABOUT TIFF IN GENERAL.
WE, WE'VE PROBABLY DONE, UH, 35 OR 40 OF THESE AROUND THE STATE.
I GUESS WE BELIEVE IT'S REALLY AN EXCELLENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL FOR, FOR CITIES AND GALLIES TO, TO HELP ADVANCE, UH, VALUES IN, IN THEIR AREAS.
IT, IT, UH, IS ONE THAT IS, IS NOT PENALTY TO THE, TO THE TAXPAYER, UH, NOR IS IT A FORGIVENESS TO THE TAXPAYER.
SO IT IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WE THINK BETWEEN THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE, THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
AND, UH, FOR THAT REASON, WE BELIEVE IT'S AN EXCELLENT TOOL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO, TO BEGIN TIFF AS A WAY TO FIND NEEDED NEW PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN A DEFINED AREA IN ORDER TO STIMULATE NEW PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
IN MANY CASES, INVESTMENT THAT EITHER WOULD NEVER OCCUR OR WILL OCCUR SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
AS I MENTIONED, TIP IS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT THAT LEVERAGES PUBLIC AGENCY CAPITAL WITH THE CAPITAL OF A PRIVATE ENTITY.
A TIF DOES NOT OBEY REVENUE THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING, UH, TO A PUBLIC AGENCY'S GENERAL BUDGET.
WHEN WE CREATE A T YOU FREEZE THE EXISTING TAX VALUE.
THE INCOME FROM THAT EXISTING VALUE CONTINUES TO GO TO THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS, JUST AS IT DOES NOW.
SO YOU'RE NOT ROBING, UH, ANY OF THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY GETTING FROM, UH, FROM TAX VALUES.
IT ALSO DOES NOT INVOLVE ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT ON EXISTING OR NEW PROPERTY.
A TIP IS REALLY INVISIBLE TO THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER CONTINUES TO PAY TAXES AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD, AS IF THERE WERE NO TIP.
THE, THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS IS BEHIND THE SCENES, THEN PART OF THAT TAX INCOME GETS FUNNEL OFF TO THE TIF FUND, BUT THE TAXPAYER JUST PAYS HIS NORMAL TAXES, UH, AS HE WOULD IF THERE WERE NO TIF UN UNLIKE A TAX ABATEMENT, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY FORGIVENESS OF TAXES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GIVING AWAY ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY GETTING WHEN YOU CREATE A TIP, IT DOES NOT CREATE A DEBT OR OTHER OBLIGATION.
NOW, YOU CAN ISSUE DEBT AS YOU GO THROUGH TIME AFTER THE TIP IS CREATED, BUT JUST THE FACT THAT YOU HAD CREATED A TIF DOES NOT CREATE ANY, ANY SORT OF DEBT OBLIGATION.
A TIF USES ONLY REAL PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS GENERATED BY NEW OR HIGHER TAX VALUES SO THAT IT DOES NOT, UH, TAKE ANY BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY INCOME.
SO YOU'LL, UH, CONTINUE TO GET ALL OF THAT, UH, INTO YOUR GENERAL FUND.
THE TIP IS CREATED BY THE CITY AND IT'S GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE.
IT EXISTS FOR A SPECIFIC TERM.
IN OUR CASE, WE'RE SUGGESTING A A 30 YEAR TERM, BUT MAY BE TERMINATED EARLY IF THERE IS NO DEBT.
AND, AND THE REASON WE LOOK AT A FAIRLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME IS THAT ONCE THAT TIME PERIOD IS SET, IT CANNOT BE EXTENDED.
THE TIME PERIOD CAN BE SHORTENED, AS I MENTIONED, WITH NO DEBT AT THAT TIME PERIOD CANNOT BE EXTENDED.
SO IF YOU CREATE THE TIP, YOU'LL PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT YOU ANTICIPATE WILL BE COMPLETED DURING THE LIFE OF THE TIP.
IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE ARE COMPLETED, UH, THE, THE EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN MADE, THERE'S NO REMAINING DEBT, AND YOUR YOU'RE 20 YEARS INTO THE 30 YEAR LIFE OF THE TIP, THEN, THEN THE TIP CAN BE, CAN BE COLLAPSED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UP HERE AT THE, THE TOP, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FREEZES EITHER THE TAX RATE OR THE VALUES FREEZES THE VALUES, THE PROPERTY VALUE, PROPERTY VALUE, YES.
UH, DOES THAT NOT NEGATIVE NEGATIVELY AFFECT, UH, OUR INCOME FROM THAT, THAT PROPERTY? THAT DOES NOT, DOES NOT.
YOU'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE YOUR INCOME FROM THAT VALUE.
IF THAT PROPERTY, THOUGH WERE TO INCREASE, IF THE EXISTING PROPERTY INCREASES IN VALUE WHEN YOU CREATE THE TIP, THEN A PORTION OF THAT INCREASE THE TAX RATE ON THAT END, OR THE TAXES ON THAT INCREASE IN VALUE GO TO THE TIP.
BUT NOTHING STILL ON, ON THE BASE TAX.
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PLEASE INTERRUPT ME ANYTIME YOU LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT I WANNA KEEP THIS FAIRLY INFORMAL.UM, THE TIP IS MANAGED BY BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WHICH MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF, IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE T, THE COUNTY WILL HAVE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU'LL APPOINT THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT TIF BOARD.
THE TIF BOARD'S DUTIES AS YOU GO THROUGH TIME ARE REALLY TO, NUMBER ONE, MAKE THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE INITIAL PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN.
BUT THEN AS YOU GO THROUGH TIME, THE TIF BOARD WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE T PROJECTS ON THAT PROJECT LIST, PUT TOGETHER THAT PROJECT LIST IT, IT MAY HAVE 15 ITEMS IN IT, EACH ONE WITH AN ESTIMATED COST.
AND WE COME UP WITH A BOTTOM LINE COST FOR THAT LIST OF PROJECTS.
WE, WE BELIEVE THAT BOTTOM LINE NUMBER CAN'T BE CHANGED UNLESS YOU COME BACK TO THE PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS AGAIN AND ASK THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER BE CHANGED.
BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH TIME, YOU CAN CHANGE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT LIST AS LONG AS THE TOTAL STILL DOESN'T EXCEED THAT BOTTOM LINE TOTAL.
SO WHEN YOU CREATE THE INITIAL LIST, IF YOU SAY, WE, WE BELIEVE WE WANT TO DO STREET A AND IT'S $2 MILLION, UH, AND, AND FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT BECOMES OBVIOUS YOU DON'T NEED TO DO STREET A, BUT YOU NEED TO DO STREET B, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT SUBSTITUTION AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER.
SO, SO ONE OF THE TIF BOARDS PRIMARY, PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO MONITOR THAT PROJECT PLAN AS YOU GO THROUGH TIME AND AS DEVELOPERS COME IN AND REQUEST THE USE OF TIF FUNDS, THEN, THEN WE'LL ALSO REVIEW THAT, REVIEW THE, UH, UH, DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT BEFORE ALL OF THAT GOES TO COUNCIL.
SO THE COUNTY, UH, SHOULD PARTICIPATE.
WE'LL HAVE AN INTIMATE INVOLVEMENT IN, IN WHAT HAPPENS, UH, ON THE TIP OR WITHIN THE TIP AS YOU GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT DISTRICT? THIS SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS FINANCE BY TAX PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO IS TO CREATE PRIVATE INVESTMENT THAT EITHER, UH, YOU BELIEVE WOULD OCCUR MUCH LATER IN TIME OR WOULD NEVER OCCUR AT ALL.
SO YOU'RE USING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS TO TRY TO STIMULATE THAT PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF GC CAN BE.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE DEVELOPER WITHIN THE, WITHIN THIS ZONE? YES.
ANY DEVELOPMENT THEN THAT OCCURRED WITHIN THIS ZONE.
THE, THE TAXES ON THAT NEW VALUE THEN ARE WHAT FLOW USE TO PAY FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THE TWO ITEMS ON THAT YOU OUTLINED IS, I GUESS TRACK AND TRACK.
THAT'S WHAT YOU, THE TIPS ON HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE BOUNDARY OF THE ON TRACK, TRACK A, TRACK B, AND TRACK C ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE EXCLUDED FROM THE AT C IS EXCLUDED, A, B, AND C ARE EXCLUDED.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IN RED HERE IS WHAT LARRY, LET ME, LET ME USE MY SIMPLE VERSION OF THIS THING AND NOT THAT, NOT THAT IT'S NEEDED FOR YOU GUYS.
OF COURSE WE NEED IT, BUT IT HELPS ME.
YOU KNOW, UH, SOME YEARS AGO, INTERSTATE 20 WAS BUILT AND, AND THIS IS NOT, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD GENERAL WAY THAT THIS WOULD, WOULD HELP THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
UH, SOME 20 YEARS AGO, THIS INTERSTATE 20 WAS BUILT FROM 34.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT, THIS WAS, OF COURSE, THIS WAS, THIS WAS, UH, INTERSTATE 20 AT THAT TIME BECAME SPUR 5 57.
THIS ENTIRE CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE IS BASICALLY RURAL UNDEVELOPED LAND.
AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR 20 YEARS.
AND WE WILL IN ALL LIKELIHOOD REMAIN THAT WAY FOR ANOTHER 15 OR 20 YEARS BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
THERE'S NO ACCESS ROADS, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT WATER, NO SEWER, THERE'S NO WAY IN, IN THE, HERE'S HERE'S WHERE A TIP WILL HELP US.
NO ONE, INCLUDING THE CITY ECONOMIC HEALTH CORPORATION OR ANYONE, NO DEVELOPER CAN ON THEIR OWN, PUT TOGETHER ENOUGH CACKLE TO PUT IN THIS, TO DEVELOP THIS CORRIDOR IN THERE.
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YOU'VE GOT A GUY RIGHT HERE, IF YOU'VE GOT, IF THIS PROPERTY ALL RIGHT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IS WORTH A THOUSAND DOLLARS AN ACRE, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S PROBABLY STILL GONNA BE WORTH, IT'LL BE WORTH 1500 OR $2,000 AC BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE WITH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY PRIME DEVELOP A LAND FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.SO WHAT THE TIP WOULD DO, THE TIP WOULD ALLOW A DEVELOPER, FOR EXAMPLE, TO COME IN AND, AND, AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
HE MIGHT COME IN AND WANT TO PUT IN LIKE A LARGE RETAILER, LARGE RETAIL OPERATION, A BIG BOX RETAILER, A, YOU KNOW, A, A LOWE'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, THE DEVELOPER MIGHT MAKE A DEAL WITH THE CITY, THE CITY SAY, OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOU'LL BRING YOU, YOU, YOU BUILD THE ACCESS AND YOU BRING THE WATER, YOU BRING THE WATER AND SEWER DOWN TO YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THE TIFF WILL REFUND YOU SOME PART OF THAT.
'CAUSE WHAT HE'S GONNA BE DOING, OBVIOUSLY, IS HE'S GONNA BE RAISING NOT ONLY THE VALUE OF THIS PIECE OF LAND HERE, BUT THIS THOUSAND DOLLARS ACRE LAND RIGHT HERE, WHERE NOW YOU HAVE ACCESS, YOU'VE GOT WATER AND SEWER, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT $50,000 BANKER LAND.
SO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE BOTH GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THAT INCREASE IN TAX VALUE A LOT.
UH, AND AS LARRY SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY THAT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T PUT ALL OF THAT INCREASE TAX REVENUE.
THEY'RE GETTING INTO THE T IT WOULD JUST BE A PORTION OF IT.
SO SOME OF IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY'S GENERAL FUND.
I THINK LARRY'S GOT SPECIFIC FIGURES ON THAT.
SOME OF IT WOULD, 50% OF THAT WOULD GO TO, TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO YOU'RE GETTING 50% OF A TAX VALUE OF 20, 30, $40,000 AN ACRE INSTEAD OF 50% OF A THOUSAND OR $2,000 AN ACRE.
SO I'M, I JUST FELT LIKE THAT MY, THIS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THAT TIP FUND.
SO WHAT BASICALLY, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE GETTING 50% OF WHATEVER THE INCREASED VALUE WAS IF THE TIF WASN'T THERE, AND THEN YOU'D BE GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF NOTHING.
YOU GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE $1,500 VALUE TAX INSTEAD OF 50% OF THE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST THROWING THOSE NUMBERS AROUND $25,000 AN ACRE BACK.
AND IT IS NOT JUST THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I THINK YOU'D BE BLINDING TO NOT REALIZE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT'S ON OUR RADAR SCREEN AT THE CITY OF CARROLL ISN'T, IS DEVELOPING THIS, WELL, I KNOW THIS IS NOT LIKE A TAX ABATEMENT OR NOT A TAX ABATEMENT, BUT ISN'T THAT THE SAME RESULT THAT YOU GET FROM A TAX ABATEMENT? UH, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GIVING AWAY A, A PORTION OF, AS THE MAYOR JUST SAID, YOU'RE GIVING AWAY A PORTION OF A MUCH HIGHER VALUE RATHER THAN GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT A MUCH LOWER VALUE.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT THIS DOES IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, IS THAT SINCE A DEVELOPER CANNOT DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, REALISTICALLY WITHOUT SOME SORT OF METHOD, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES TO THE TIF BOARD AND SAYS, I WANT TO PUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE TIF BOARD SAYS, WELL, YEAH, WE'LL LET YOU DO THAT, BUT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT FOUR INCH WATER MAINS, WE WANT 10 INCH WATER MAINS.
AND IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE QUALITY AND, AND THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO ANYWAY, SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD CLAIM COUNCIL, WHO'S ON THE BOARD? WELL, I DON'T, OF COURSE THAT HAS TO BE SAID, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE PROBABLY A FIVE PERSON BOARD.
I THINK HE CAN HAVE HIS LARGE AS 1515, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNWIELDY.
WE'RE TALKING, UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A FIVE PERSON BOARD WITH THREE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEING, BEING, UH, BEING PUT ON THE BOARD BY THE CITY, AND TWO OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEING PUT ON BY THE COUNTY.
SO BE, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A PARTNERSHIP AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
LARRY, I FEEL LIKE I'M RUNNING ALL OVER HERE.
BUT LARRY'S AHEAD, LARRY'S GOT ALL FACTS AND FIGURES AND I'VE GOT, UH, ALL THE FLUFF, I GUESS,
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, TO THE TAR? YES, SIR.
THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH, APPRAISAL, UH, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE APPRAISED VALUE, NOT APPRAISAL VALUE.
SO TODAY, THE LINE, THE BASELINE, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S IN AGRICULTURAL USE RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S, IT'S NOT GENERATED ANY TAXES.
AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE TAX VALUE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE AG USE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ON APPRAISED VALUE OF CORRECT.
WELL, A, AFTER THE TIP IS CREATED, THEN, THEN IT, AS LONG AS IT'S AG VALUE,
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THAT'S ALL YOU GET.IT'S BASED ON THE, IT'S BASED ON THE TAX VALUE THAT'S ON THE LAND RIGHT NOW.
SO IF IT REMAINS AG AFTER THE TIP IS CREATED, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GONNA GET.
MONEY WILL GET EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
AND, AND REMEMBER THE TIP IS NOT, NOT LIKE A TAX ABATEMENT, IT'S NOT IN ANY WAY.
SO THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER REALLY HAS TO PERFORM BECAUSE THE, THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT DEVELOP THE DEVELOPER GETS IS GONNA BE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INCOME HIS DEVELOPMENT GENERATES.
SO IF, IF HE DOESN'T DEVELOP AS MUCH VALUE AS HE ANTICIPATES, HE'S NOT GONNA GET AS MUCH OF A REBATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THOSE GREAT QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON, STEVE, TO, UH, TO THE CITY OF TAR.
NOW THESE, THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE, WE PUT TOGETHER THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE, BY THE STATE STATUTE, THE PROJECT PLAN, THE FINANCE PLAN, THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.
AND I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE GOING THROUGH THIS PHASE BY PAGE WITH, AND THEN I HAD SECOND THOUGHTS I MIGHT PUT TOGETHER JUST A LITTLE, UH, BRIEFER SUMMARY THAN THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH TODAY.
BUT PLEASE STOP AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS WE GO ON.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF TAR TIFF SPECIFICALLY.
UH, AS THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED, UH, THE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS OF, OF THE INTERSTATE 20 AND AS FAR 5 57 WERE COMPLETED YEARS AGO THAT THIS AREA OF THE CITY HAS NOT EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE LACK AND UTILITIES.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO STIMULATE THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, AND REMEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC AREA.
SO THE MONEY THAT'S CREATED FROM THE TIP HERE CAN'T BE USED ANYWHERE ELSE, UH, IN, IN THE CITY OR COUNTY, HAS TO BE USED WITHIN THAT ZONE.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO STIMULATE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, AND AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT WHICH MIGHT NEVER OCCUR AND WHICH WOULD OCCUR MUCH LATER IN TIME, THE CITY OF TERRELL IS PROPOSING CREATION OF A TIF REINVESTMENT ZONE TO FUND THE NECESSARY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENTS.
FOLLOWING STATE STATUTE REQUIRE PROCESS.
ON AUGUST THE SEVENTH OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY OF TAROT IS ISSUED, UH, TO EACH TAXING JURISDICTION AND A NOTICE OF INTENT TO CREATE A 30 YEAR TICKET.
AND THE CITY OR THE COUNTY WAS ADVISED AND, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THAT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, STEVE, THE PROPOSED TIF BOUNDARY IS GENERALLY THE AREA OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO AND WITHIN 5 57 I 20 US 80 AND STATE HIGHWAY 34.
AS YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE MAP, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN THAT TIP BOUNDARY.
THAT INCLUDES PROJECTS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL STIMULATE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AS YOU SEE LISTED, WE'VE GOT, UH, ABOUT 81 AND A HALF MILLION IN CITY S AND ROADWAYS.
WE'VE GOT 30 AND A HALF MILLION FOR STOP RELATED PROJECTS.
AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT SOME ACCESS ROAD ISSUES THERE, 17 AND MILLION FOR WATER, 24 AND FOR WASTE AND FOUR AND MILLION FOR SOME OTHER SMALLER PROJECTS.
SO THAT, THAT IS THE CONSOLIDATION OF A PROJECT LIST.
THAT PROJECT LIST IN MORE DETAIL AND INCLUDES 15 OR 20 DIFFERENT DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
ALRIGHT, BASED ON THE EXPECTED STIMULATING EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE FORECAST WHAT WE BELIEVE THE NEW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT VALUES WILL BE WITHIN THIS TIP AREA.
AND, AND WE DID THAT VERY METHODICALLY.
UH, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS DIVIDE THAT TIP AREA INTO 26 DEVELOPMENT AND OR OWNERSHIP TRACKS.
SO WE COULD EVALUATE EACH TRACK, UH, BASED ON THE EXPECTED TYPE AND SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE THINK WILL OCCUR THERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT VALUE FOR SQUARE FOOT AND THE TIMING OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WE PROJECTED BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES BASED ON THE HISTORICAL VALUES, UH, USING A PERCENTAGE OF COMMERCIAL REAL PROPERTY VALUES.
AND LOOKING BACK FIVE OR SIX YEARS WITHIN THE CITY OF CARROLL, WE FOUND THAT BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES AMOUNTED TO ABOUT 95% OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY HIGH.
UH, SO WHEN WE DID OUR PROJECTIONS ON BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, WE DROPPED THAT SUM AND,
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AND STARTED OUT WITH, WITH 90% THE FIRST 10 YEARS AND THEN DROPPED TO 80% AND THEN 70%.SO IN ALL OF THIS, WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED ANY INCREASES DUE TO INFLATION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE, WE THINK, ON OUR PROJECTIONS FOR BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE TRIED TO BE, UH, WE BELIEVE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTED.
WE'RE JUST FINISHING A, A TIFF IN THE CITY OF MANSFIELD WITH AN AREA ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THIS AREA IN TERRELL.
WE'VE PROJECTED ABOUT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT VALUE IN THE CITY OF MANILLO AS WE'RE PROJECTING HERE AT THE CITY OF TER.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF, WE BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THE VALUES THAT WE PROJECTED, WE'VE USED IN OUR ANALYSIS OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2006 TAX RATES, UH, THAT WILL BE ADJUSTED TO TO 2007, UH, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE BASE TAX YEAR THEN, UH, WILL BE THE VALUES.
AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2007, THE TIP LINE INCOME WAS BASED ON A 30 YEAR TIP LIFE WITH THE CITY CONTRIBUTING 75% OF ITS TAX RATE.
AGAIN, UH, AS WE WORK WITH CITIES ON TIPS, WE SUGGEST TO THEM THAT, THAT THEY PULL BACK SOME PORTION OF THE, OF THE, UH, NEW INCOME IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE INCREASED COST OF, OF, UH, OPERATING COSTS IN THE CITY, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE NEW INCREASES IN VALUE AND INCREASES IN DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THIS CASE IS ONLY 25% 70 TAX TIP T FUND, BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, WE STILL DON'T GET ENOUGH MONEY IN THE TIF FUND TO COVER THE COST OF OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
SO WITH, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL TIF FUND INCOME NEEDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ANALYSIS, THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION OF ONLY 50% OF YOUR TAX RATE HAVE BEEN THE RESULTS OF THIS ANALYSIS THEN INDICATE AN INCREASE IN NEW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT VALUE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS OF ABOUT ONE AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS.
THAT WILL PROVIDE TIP FUND INCOME OF, UH, ABOUT 206 MILLION, PROVIDING SOME CONTINGENCY OVER OUR EXPECTED HUNDRED 50 MILLION PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COSTS, THE INCOME TO THE CITY AND COUNTY DURING THE NEXT 30 YEARS, OVER AND ABOVE THE TIP FUND CONTRIBUTION FROM THE EXPECTED INCREASE IN VALUES OF REAL AND BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE BELOW, YOU CAN SEE THE CITY WOULD GAIN ABOUT $175 MILLION IN THEIR GENERAL FUND, THE COUNTY ABOUT $168 MILLION INTO YOUR GENERAL.
IN ADDITION TO THE ANALYSIS OF NEW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE KIT, WE ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TRACKS, ASSUMING THAT NOIF WAS CREATED, THAT THE, THE NO TIP ANALYSIS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE AS INTENSE NOR WOULD IT OCCUR AS SOON RESULTED IN NEW PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT VALUE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS OF, OF JUST SHORT OF A BILLION DOLLARS, ABOUT 60% OF THE VALUES WITH THE TIP.
SO IN, IN ADDITION TO, TO FORECASTING WHAT WE WOULD BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN WITH THE TIP, WE ALSO FORECAST WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT THE, THE RESULT OF THAT THEN IS THAT INCOME TO THE CITY AND COUNTY, UH, WITH NO TIP WOULD BE $165 MILLION FOR THE CITY, 26 MILLION, THE COUNTY.
SO WHAT WE HAVE PROJECTED IS THAT INCOME FROM REAL AND BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES WITH THE TIFF IS 6% MORE FOR THE CITY AND 34% MORE FOR THE COUNTY THAN INCOME WITHOUT THE TIFF.
EVEN AFTER WE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECTING THAT BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE BETTER OFF WITH THE DIP THAN WITHOUT EVEN, EVEN AFTER MAKING CITY'S CASE 75% CONTRIBUTION.
AS SO THAT, I'LL SEE IF YOU HAVE, UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AFTER THE 30 YEARS.
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TIFFT HAS COLLAPSED AFTER 30 YEARS, UNLESS IT'S COLLAPSED EARLIER, CAN HELP OUT GO.WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR GETTING, FOR TERMINATING? UH, THE CITY WILL DO THAT BY ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS THE COUNTY? THE COUNTY JUST SAY THE SAME COUNTY DO THAT RESOLUTION, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD'VE THE FINAL CLIENT SAY IF THEIR ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNTY COULD CERTAINLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ANY TIME BASED ON YOUR INFORMATION THAT THAT SET IT GOAL, IT SET GOAL ONCE YOU CREATED, SO ONCE THAT, ONCE THAT MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT, THEN THE TIP BEING PAID OFF THE TIP COULD BE TERMINATED AT THAT TIME.
SO THE COUNTY COULD JUST SIT BACK INTO NOTHING AND, UH, THE SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ALL THAT LAND, BUT IT JUST MAY BE 25 OR 30 OR 40 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, LESS LATER IN TIME.
AND ALSO PROBABLY, UH, LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO VALUES ARE GONNA BE LESS, THE COUNTY PARTICIPATION WOULD PROBABLY SPEED THAT UP.
PARTICIPATION DEFINITELY SPEED THAT UP.
WHAT WOULD BE THE, IS IS THERE, IS THERE AN ADVANTAGE? WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE? INSTEAD OF USING A PERCENTAGE, USING DOLLAR, WE CAN'T SAY A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UH, REAL, REALLY NO DIFFERENCE.
UH, YOU CAN SET A DOLLAR AMOUNT O OTHER, WE'VE HAD ONE OR TWO OTHER, UH, TIPS THAT HAVE SET THIS SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT.
YOU CAN SET THE AMOUNT FOR HALF OF YOUR HALF OF YOUR CURRENT TAX RATE.
IF YOU CHOSE TO DO THAT, WHAT WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE TO THAT? THAT THE, THE ONLY, IT COULD BE AN ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR TAX RATE DOES AND ALSO WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY DOES.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME RATE AT TIMES THAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT REALLY JUST, IF YOU SET A SPECIFIC AMOUNT, THEN THAT, THAT NEVER CHANGES AND, AND YOUR TAX RATE CAN CHANGE.
NOW THE WAY THIS ONE IS SET UP, YOU DO A PERCENTAGE, SO IF YOUR TAX RATE GOES UP, THEN THAT, THAT PERCENTAGE AMOUNT, THE 50% GOES UP, OR IF YOUR TAX RATE GOES, GOES DOWN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% OF THE TAX RATE, NOT 50% OF THE TOTAL TAX DOLLARS.
50% OF THE TAX RATE TIMES, WHATEVER THE VALUE IS.
OTHER CITIES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MANSFIELD, HOW LONG HAS THAT ONE BEEN IN EFFECT? UH, WE'RE JUST IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING NOW.
WHAT OTHER ONES HAVE YOU HAD? IS THIS FAIRLY, UH, UH, COMMON? THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE STATE? YES.
YEAH, WE, WE, AS I SAID, WE'VE DONE 35 OR 40 COUNTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN, IN, AND THEY'VE, IN EVERY TIP THAT WE HAVE DONE, UH, THE, THE, UH, TYPICALLY THEY RANGE IN LIFE FROM GENERALLY FROM 20 TO 30 YEARS, UM, THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE ONE IN 40 YEARS IN THE CITY OF TEMPLE.
UM, BUT, BUT GENERALLY THEY'LL EITHER BE 20, 25 OR 30 YEARS.
ANY REAL PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WITH ANY THE NO REALLY THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE REALLY BELIEVE TIFF IS, IS A, AN EXCELLENT TOOL, UH, BECAUSE, UH, IF IF NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN NOTHING HAPPENS AND JUST COLLAPSE.
THE TIFF WE HAD, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T CREATE IT, BUT C OF LUBBOCK CREATED ONE NOW PROBABLY 25 YEARS AGO IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND, AND SHORTLY AFTER, TWO OR THREE YEARS AFTERWARDS, REAL ESTATE VALUES WENT IN THE TANK.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, ALL THE COUNTIES FOUGHT.
IN ADDITION, THE COUNTY BOUGHT SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN THE DOWNTOWN TIP AND TOOK THEM OFF THE TAX ROLL.
AND, AND THAT TIFF NEVER CAME BACK ABOVE ITS BASE VALUE AFTER 18 YEARS.
AND SO WE, THEY ASKED US TO COME IN AND WE CAME IN AND COLLAPSE THAT TIP BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEBT.
CREATED A NEW TIP IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH A DIFFERENT BOUNDARY, UH, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEBT CREATED, SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN PROBLEM, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, SO AS I UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE TIP WOULD DO THEN WOULD BE, WOULD ISSUE TAX EXEMPT BONDS MM-HMM
FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT THEY, THAT THIS BOARD FILL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SUPPOSE THE TIF BOARD DOES THAT AND Y'ALL PUT IN ONE $58 MILLION IN TAX FREE BONDS.
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YOU PUT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND NOTHING HAPPENS.UH, YOU DON'T GET THE DE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, GASOLINE GOES TO $10 A GALLON AND PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING OUT ANYMORE.
WE'RE GONNA ADVISE YOUR TIF BOARD THAT, THAT DON'T ISSUE ANY BONDS UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH VALUE ON THE GROUND TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE IN BONDS.
SO I WOULD NOT ISSUE BONDS BASED ON THE COUNTY.
OKAY, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND UNTIL YOU GET THAT WATER LINE OUT THERE, ARE YOU? NO.
BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN DO, AND, AND IN MOST CASES WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE A DEAL WITH A DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPER TO UPFRONT THE FUNDS TO PUT IN THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN THE DEVELOPER GETS REIMBURSED FROM THE TIP THAT THAT CAN BE DONE E EITHER OVER TIME OR AS I SAID ONCE, ONCE THE DEVELOPER GETS ENOUGH VALUE ON THE GROUND TO PAY FOR 1.25 TIMES DEBT SERVICES, THEN, THEN YOU ISSUE BONDS AND TAKE THE DEVELOPER OUT AND THEN USE THE INCOME TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE VALUE THERE ON THE GROUND SO THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DEFINITE INCOME, BUT THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA HAVE TO FUND THAT, THAT INITIAL CORRECT COST OF GETTING THE, UH, WIRE LINES OUT THERE.
IT CAN BE PAID BACK THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.
BUT LIKE THE JUDGE SAID, IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR, IF NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN IF, UH, DOES HE HAVE ANY RECOURSE TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE TO, TO HELP HIM RECOVER HIS MONEY? YEAH.
THE, THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THAT WE SUGGEST YOU DO SAYS THAT, THAT HIS REIMBURSEMENT CAN ONLY COME FROM CHIP FUNDS.
SO IF HE DOESN'T PUT THE VALUE ON THE GROUND THAT HE ANTICIPATES, BUT THEN, THEN HE DOESN'T GET AS MUCH REIMBURSEMENT.
I'VE GOT TWO QUICK QUESTION BEFORE YOU PLAN ONE, UH, WHAT ABOUT ROLLBACK TAXES? HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK INTO THE, THE CONFIGURATION? THE WAY, THE WAY, YEAH.
THE WAY WE, WE VIEW ROLLBACK TAXES IS THAT IF, IF YOU CREATE, CREATE A TIFF, YOU PAY FIVE YEARS ROLLBACK TAXES.
I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? THAT IF YOU CREATE A TIFF, UH, THEN, UH, AND THERE ARE TWO YEARS LEFT, SAY THEN THE ROLLBACK TAXES FOR THOSE FIRST THREE YEARS BEFORE THE TIF WAS CREATED, ANY, ANY ROLLBACK TAXES BEFORE THE T WAS CREATED GO THE TAX JURISDICTION.
SO FIVE, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, ANY ROLLBACK, THERE WOULD BE NO ROLLBACK TAX ON THE PROPERTY, ANY ROLLBACK TAXES THAT OCCUR THAT COME IN AFTER THE TICKETS PERIOD, THEN THOSE GET SHARE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN PERIOD GOES.
THE, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, UH, AND I'M NOT EXPERT IN THIS, I LISTED A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE JUST RECENTLY.
THAT'S WHY THE
IS THAT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IS THAT A GOOD DEAL OR A BAD DEAL FOR THE CITY? CI CITY CAN, CAN NOW PUT SALES TAX IN THE TIFF UNTIL THE LEGISLATURE, NOT THIS LAST ONE, BUT PREVIOUS ONE, UH, THAT WAS WHEN THE STATUTE WAS CHANGED TO ALLOW CITIES TO COMPLETE IT SALES TAX TO THE TIFF.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROJECTING THAT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU CREATE, IF YOU PUT SALES TAX IN, IN A TIP THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX INCOME, THAT GOES TO A USED, BUT IF YOU USE SALES TAX IN TIP, IT HAS TO BE USED FOR SALES TAX THAT'S GENERATED BY THAT TIP.
RIGHT? AGAIN, BUT IT COULD BE THAT THAT MONEY COULD BE, IT COULD BE USED TO PAY OFF THE, UH, THE DEBT EARLY COULD BE SO THAT THE TIP COULD, COULD CLOSE UP LOW OVER HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE GOOD POINTS OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THE TIP.
WE, WE REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE OTHER THAN, AS I SAID, IF YOU CREATE THE TIFF AND NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN THE, THE ONLY OBLIGATION IS, IS TO PAY FOR THE COST OF CREATION, WHICH, WHICH THE CITY IS DOING.
SO THEY'D BE OUT THAT MONEY, UH, WITH WHAT THE, WHAT THE COST OF CREATION IS.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ASSUMING YOU FOLLOW OUR SUGGESTION AND DON'T ISSUE ANY DEBT ON THE COME, THEN, THEN THERE'D BE NO OBLIGATION.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO DOWNSIDE.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT THIS IS I
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SEE CANADA, THEY'RE SITTING BACK THE BACK RIGHT NOW WATCHING THISWE THINK IT'S REALLY A GREAT TOOL.
IF YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO WEST TEXAS AND BUY 'EM THE DOMAIN, TAKE ALL PEOPLE'S, THEY DO HAVE CONDEMNATION UP THERE.
I'M JUST, I'M BEING A LITTLE FACETIOUS THERE.
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE QUICK FUNNY STORY SPEAKING TO WEST TEXAS ASKED US TO COME OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, UH, AGAIN, THE LEGISLATURE, NOT THIS LAST TIME, BUT THE TIME BEFORE ADDED COUNTIES TO STATUTE SO OUT, WE WENT OUT TO GIVE AND, AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN CREATING A COUNTY TIP WITH THREE CITIES PARTICIPATING, WHICH SOUNDED LIKE A REALLY NEAT DEAL AND, AND ONE THAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO WORK ON BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN DONE YET INSTEAD.
SO I CALLED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, ASKED HIM SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CREATING A COUNTY TIP, AND HE CALLED ME BACK A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY FUNNY.
THEY CHANGED THE STATUTE TO ALLOW A COUNTY TO PREEMPTIVE, BUT, BUT THEY DIDN'T, DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION, SO THE COUNTY DID NOT ISSUE.
SO, SO THAT SORT OF KILLED OUR WEST TEXAS COUNTY MIGHT JUST A FUNNY STORY ABOUT HOW THE STATE LEGISLATURE, HOW THEY WORK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU SHOW US AGAIN ON THE MAP? I, I CAN'T SEE THE COLOR FROM HERE.
UH, PLACES A, B AND C ARE NOT A, B AND C ARE NOT IN THE, AND THE REASON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE REASON IT'S KIND OF SCHEDULED, THAT LOCKER RIGHT THERE, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY'S PROPERTY OR PROPERTY VALUES CAN BE INCLUDED.
THAT'S WHY THE ENTIRE CITY'S NOT HAVE MORE THAN 15% VALUE.
AND IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 10% RESIDENTIAL WHEN YOU CREATE IT.
AND YOU CAN PUT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL IN IF YOU WANT, AFTER YOU CREATE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT KIND OF APPEARS TO BE GERRYMANDERED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
DID YOU SAY THE LATEST LEGISLATURE MADE A CHANGE TO THIS STATUTE? NO, NOT THE LATEST.
I'VE WENT THROUGH IT A COUPLE TIMES.
NOT, UH, NOWHERE IN HERE DOES IT SAY, UH, MUNICIPALITY AND THE COUNTY, ALL, EVERYTHING, IT TALKED ABOUT MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY BECAUSE WE DO RESOLUTIONS AND, AND THE CITIES DO ORDINANCE IN FRONT AND, AND I DON'T SEE THE, ANY DIRECTIONS, UH, FOR CITY AND COUNTY.
IS THERE? YEAH, EITHER, EITHER THE CITY CAN DO IT OR THE COUNTY CAN DO IT NOW.
BUT IN THIS CASE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY AND COUNTY.
NO, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY CREATING IT.
THE COUNTY, IF YOU AGREE, WOULD JUST BE PARTICIPATING.
SO YOU WOULD NOT BE CREATING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, UH, THE MAYOR, MR. ROGERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, WE'LL STUDY ON THAT AND, UH, GET BACK WITH A DISCUSSION ON THE MAYOR.
THIS WHOLE THING KIND OF REMINDS YOU OF THE STORY ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE, THE MAYOR GOING TO A CONFERENCE AND THE CITY MANAGER WAS PRESENTING A PAPER AT THIS CONFERENCE ON, UH, THIS WAS A PLANNING AND ZONING CONFERENCE, VERY COMPLEX PEOPLE, A BUNCH OF CITY PLANNERS.
AND THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WAS DOING THE, HE WAS DOING THE PRESENTATIONS OF HIS PAPER, AND THE MAYOR AGREED TO RUN HIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR, WELL, AFTER THEY WENT THROUGH ABOUT THE FOURTH OR FIFTH SESSION, THE MAYOR TELLS THE CITY MANAGER, HE SAID, I'VE LISTENED TO THIS FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, I THINK I CAN JUST DO THIS MYSELF.
SO HE GETS UP AND GIVES THE PRESENTATION.
THE CITY MANAGER RUNS THE POWERPOINT.
WELL, THE THING IS OVER SOME, SOME, UH, PROFESSOR FROM YALE ASKS THIS VERY LONG COMPLEX QUESTION.
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KNOWING VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE SUBJECT, LOOKING LIKE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS, BEING A GOOD POLITICIAN, HE SAYS, WELL, THAT'S THE DUMBEST QUESTION I'VE EVER HEARD.I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER IT, BUT MY CITY MANAGER WANTS TO ANSWER.
I, UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE A RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET? IS THAT CONSIDERED, IS THAT SOMETHING PART OF YOUR AGENDA? IT'S NOT PART OF OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST BEING PRESENTED TO US THIS MORNING WHEN I PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA TO APPROVE.
UH, IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT THEY NEED TO BE INFORMED ABOUT FOR US THAT YEAH, WE, OUR SCHEDULE SHOWS US COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL NOVEMBER THE FIFTH FOR APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.
I DIDN'T HAVE FACE, BUT I, THE TIMING OF THING IS COURSE IS VERY, IS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CAPTURE PROPERTY VALUES AT CURRENT RATES RATHER THAN DOING IT AFTER JANUARY 1ST WHEN THOSE RATES WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE, AS WE'D BE A LOT SLOWER TO GET THINGS STARTED.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD FEES.
I'LL GIVE COMMISSIONERS TIME, DO RESEARCH ON THEIR OWN.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME, Y'ALL HAVE, UH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK ME.
I'LL PROBABLY REFER TO ONE OF THE EXPERTS, BUT IF YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH ME, I'LL BE GLAD TO GET YOU AN ANSWER.
AL, COULD YOU GIVE THE NAMES OF, OTHER THAN MASS SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT? SURE, SURE.
THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF 'EM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF THEM.
WE'VE DONE THREE ON, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE, UH, TEMPLE, WE'VE DONE, AND THE COUNTIES HAVE PARTICIPATED IN ALL OF THOSE I APPRECIATE.
I HAVE A LITTLE AFTER I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, EXIT OUR REGULAR MEETING.
I'M ENTERING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING ON SETTING THE SPEED LIMIT, UH, DURING MILES PER HOUR ON
SO WE WILL EXIT THE REGULAR MEETING AND GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT OF SETTING A SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES PER HOUR ON EAST VIEW DRIVE PRECINCT FOUR AND PLACING THE 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, UH, ON AND PLACING THE SIGNS FOR THE 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, SETTING IT AND PLACING THE SIGNS, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? ALL 10 PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT ROAD.
ALL IN FAVOR OF IT ALL OUR, MY RESEARCH, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED AND I COULDN'T FIND WHERE IT'S EVER BEEN THROUGH THE COMMISSION COURT.
THANKS FOR OKAY, NO ONE, UH, HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.
SO NOW I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE BACK INTO OUR RIVER MEETING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
NOW I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, SET A SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES PER HOUR ON EAST VIEW DRIVE.
NOW I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, PLACE SIGNS OF THE THIRD MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON EAST VIEW DRIVE.
SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER.
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WE GET COMPLAINTS SINCE THAT'S PART WORLD OVER TOO.WE GET COMPLAINTS ON SAME ROAD, BUT AS SHORT AS IT IS.
BUT WE, WE GET ALL PRETTY REGULAR.
WE HAVE A LIST, THE GSA LIST, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT ROAD DOESN'T LISTED AS APPROVED FOR A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT THE TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE.
ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT ONE HAVE IS JOE LAW, OUR COMFORTABLE PRECINCT.
HE WANTS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE TWO 50 DONATION TO THE STAR PROGRAM USED FOR EXPENSES FOR THE STAR PROGRAM.
COMFORTABLE JUDGE, UH, SINCE DECEMBER, 2005, WE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO DONATE IT TO, WE DO NOT HAVE A, AN ACCOUNT.
AND SO NOW HOW LISA'S SET UP AN ACCOUNT FOR THIS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME DONATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF BLOODS VESTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE ONLY THING WE'VE EVER HAD WAS, UH, THE LIONS CLUB DID BUY VEST ONE TIME BEFORE FOR THE STAR PERSON.
AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO ACCEPT TO TAKE THIS, UH, THIS IS FROM WALMART CENTER OVER IN TERRELL.
HER, ONE OF THE MANAGERS OVER THERE, CHILD WENT THROUGH THE
AND JUST, UH, GET YOU, GET YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, MOST, MOST CURRENT LAST 21 MONTHS, AS LONG AS THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN THERE, WE'VE HAD 231, 238 PARTICIPANTS IN THERE.
AND WE'VE, UH, WE'VE COMPLETED TALKING 3,998 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE.
AND THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S, UH, IN THE COUNTY.
DID THERE REQUEST? WE'VE USED THEM TWO DIFFERENT TIMES AND BOTH TOWNS WORKED OUT REAL WELL.
AND, UM, WE HAVE TAKEN ON THE PROJECT WITH BLACK LAND ATORY THAT'S IN BETWEEN CRANDALL AND, UH, TH UH, NO ONE'S TAKEN CARE OF IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY SLOW PROCESS.
BUT, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PARTICIPATION FROM OUR COMMISSIONER OVER THERE TO, UH, PICK THAT STUFF UP BECAUSE WE, WE COVER THE CEMETERY UP WITH STUFF THAT WE BROUGHT OUT THERE.
AND SO THESE KIDS ARE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT SEEING NEARLY AS MANY REPEAT PERSONS AS WE WERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY SERIOUS.
WELL, THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE SPECIFIC FOR THE START PROGRAM.
WELL, COUNCIL RECEIV JOHNNY CAN EITHER, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUDGET IN THE GENERAL COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
NEXT, UH, JOHNNY, OUR COUNTY TREASURER BRING FOR, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE.
WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THAT, UH, COURT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR.
THERE ARE THREE SIGNATURE LINES, GUYS.
THEY'RE RIGHT THERE TOGETHER THOUGH, SO, AND THAT STAYS HERE WITH ME.
UH, DO WE VOTE ON THAT MOTION MADE AND SECONDED? YEAH.
NOW LET'S DISCUSS, UH, PROVING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR IRON ROAD COMMERCIAL PARK IN CUSTOM COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER ONE JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, MITCHELL LINEMAN.
HE'S THE, UH, ENGINEER ON THIS.
UH, THIS IS A RV PARK OUT ON, UH, INTERSTATE 20 AT HIGHLAND ROAD THAT, UH, THIS GROUP HAS
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PUT TOGETHER.AND I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT US MOST OF THE STUFF WE, WE NEED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY IN INFORM.
BACK YET FROM, UH, OUR, UH, AGREEMENT BACK FROM, UH, HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR WATER COMPANY.
BUT WE CONTACTED BOTH OF THOSE AND JUST WAITING ON SOMETHING TO COME BACK FROM THEM.
UH, HOW MANY, UH, MANY, UH, SPACES? THIS, THERE ARE 70 SPACES PROPOSED, UH, FOR, UH, RECREATIONAL, TEMPORARY, UH, PARKING USE.
AND JUDGE, I KNOW WE NEEDED SOMETHING FROM THE SCHOOL, BUT SINCE THIS WAS AN RV PARK
THERE WON'T BE ANY PERMANENT RESIDENCE HERE.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A, UH, LEMME CORRECT, LEMME CORRECT THAT ACTUALLY.
UM, THERE IS PROPOSED ONE, UH, OFFICE, UH, STAFF PERSON THAT WOULD BE PERMANENTLY HOUSED ON SITE A, A, A PROPERTY MANAGER.
THERE'S NO PROPOSED PERMANENT RESIDENCE.
DOES THIS NEED TO BE DONE FOR OUR SUBDIVISION REGS? YES.
IS THIS WHOLE THING JUST CONCRETE IN THERE? YES, SIR.
THE STREETS, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROPERTY ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONCRETE.
UM, WE GOT THE, UH, DRAINAGE, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARING DETAILED DRAINAGE PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE, UM, ENHANCING THAT EXISTING POND ACT AS A DETENTION POND.
AND, UH, MR. DONALD CRANE HAS PREPARED AND COMPLETED THE, UH, THE SANCTUARY SEW SYSTEM DESIGN.
HE'S GOT THREE AND A HALF ACRES SET ASIDE FOR, FOR THAT PURPOSE.
WHEN DO YOU ENVISION, UH, STARTING ANY, UM, GROUNDBREAKING ON THIS? THE DIRT MOVEMENT? UM, THIRD PLAN TO BEGIN LATER THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY WAITING FOR SOME, SOME INPUT OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A FEEDBACK FROM THE WATER DEPARTMENT OR BOTH OF THOSE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED.
I KNOW WITH REGULATIONS SUPPOSED TO CERTIFIED WATER.
I'VE JUST BEEN GETTING A LETTER FROM THEM, FROM THE WATER CORPORATIONS, BUT CERTIFI OKAY.
YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IS THIS, IS THIS INTER, IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN, UM, I HAVE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES.
HOW'S THIS DIFFERENT RD PARK DIFFERENT FROM THAT? UH, I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT IS.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERE'S NO SET OF REGULATIONS FOR MOBILE HOME COMMITTEES.
I DON'T THINK THEY DIFFERENCE.
I THINK WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
THAT'S WHY YOU WERE TELLING ME.
TO BRING, UH, RV PARKS, RV PARKS UNDER THEIR REGULATIONS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT RIGHT, RIGHT JUDGE.
OUR INTENT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, TO BE USED AS A COMMERCIAL FACILITY WITHOUT ANY SUBDIVISION OF, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS 13 AND A HALF ACRES, UH, WITHOUT NO, NO INTENT TO, NO INTERIOR ROADS OR ANYTHING.
CELL LOTS OR SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY FURTHER.
JIM ALLISON, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE IN THAT, UH, PLAT OR NOT YET, BUT MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON PLAT LANGUAGE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADOPT.
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WELL, WE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T MODIFIED OUR RIGS WHILE HAVING NO, WAITING FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO END SO WE CAN GATHER ALL THE CHANGES.YEAH, AND OF COURSE ONE OF THE MAIN CHANGES WAS IS THAT WE NOW AT OUR SIZE HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY AS THE BIG DOGS DO.
WE UH, WE NEED THE LETTER FROM GENE ANN AND FROM THE WATER COMPANY.
UH, HOW ABOUT PBS AND JAY, HAVE THEY CHECKED THIS OVER YET? JUST HAVE A LETTER.
I WELL WE'VE SUBMITTED SO FAR AS PRELIMINARY, UH, DAMAGE PRELIMINARY UTILITIES AND PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
BASICALLY WE ARE WORKING ON THE, ON THE COMPLETE FINAL ENGINEERING, WHICH I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE REVIEWED BY P BS OBJECTIVE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, PUT I, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT P BS.
WE'LL WORK THAT WE CAN DO IS JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET THOSE OTHER TABLE LIST ITEMS AND TABLE LIST UNTIL OKAY.
AND, UH, WE TRIED TO COVER ALL THAT.
I DIDN'T THINK WE NEED ANYWHERE FROM SCHOOLS STILL.
PROBABLY DON'T, BUT, UH, UH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF PBS.
WE SHOULD GET THOSE FROM AND THE WATER COMPANY.
YOU THINK WE NEED A CERTIFIED LETTER FROM? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
HOW MANY LOBSTERS ARE YOU GONNA GONNA HAVE? BE ONE LOT.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE HOW MANY STATIONS? OH, 70 PARKING PADS GONNA LET THE ENGINEER, THEY START GOING OFF 70.
THEY MAY HAVE UPGRADE THE DIVORCE SUPPLY TODAY.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN REQUESTED, SIR.
YES, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, STU WATER STUDY FEES AND THE APPLICATION BEEN SUBMITTED.
D AND SO, UH, YEAH, THAT'S ALRIGHT.
YOU WANT, YOU'LL TABLE THIS? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE TABLE IT AND I'LL GET BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT, HOPEFULLY FOR NEXT MONDAY.
AND WE GET THOSE THREE THINGS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSION TO THE TABLE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN A LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT WITH HENRY AND PETERS FOR THE 2007 AUDIT AND RECOGNIZE THE ENGAGEMENT AS EXEMPT FROM THE BIDDING PROCEDURES AND THE LGC 2 62 AS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.
SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
CONSIDER REVIEWING PERSON RENEWING PERSONNEL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH ION PORTER, AN AUTHORIZING COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN AN ORDER CLAIM EXEMPTION FROM COMPETITIVE BID LAWS AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 62 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
UH, NEXT CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT FREE COURT EXEMPTIONS UNDER HOUSE BILL 6 21.
UH, WE SENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT DEALS WITH, UH, UH, TAXI TEMPORARY LOCATIONS.
IF, UH, THEY BRING, UH, A WAREHOUSE, SOMETHING HERE THAT WAS, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT KINDS.
THERE'S SOME THAT IF THE, IF, IF THE PROPERTY IS MADE HERE, UH,
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THEN PART OF THE FREEPORT TAX I BELIEVE CAN REFER TO IT.THE OTHER IS IF THEY MOVE IT IN HERE FROM OUT OF COUNTY AND THEN THEY STORE IT UNTIL THEY GO SOMEWHERE.
SO OUT FREIGHT FOLDER, UH, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE HERE AND MOVE IT ACROSS OVER THERE TO SHIP IT SOMEWHERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'VE DONE FREEPORT TAX IN THE PAST, BUT THAT WAS FOR, UH, YEAH, FOR PROPERTY BEING BROUGHT IN.
AND HERE, UH, WILL COMMISSIONER, WILL YOU MAKE THAT MOTION THEN? YES, SIR.
AND COMMISSIONER WILL SECOND IT.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, NEXT TALK ABOUT RENEWING CITY KEMP FOR THE USE OF HEAVY.
HAS THE MAYOR SAYING WHAT WE DO IS, UH, CITY OF KEMP HAS, UH, EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, THEY CAN OPERATE MOTOR AND STUFF AND PERIODICALLY THEY, THEY NEED TO USE IT.
SO THEN RIGHT THERE, LOCALLY, WE LET THEM USE IT AND THEY, UH, REIMBURSE 75 AN HOUR FOR WHATEVER THE EQUIPMENT THEY USE.
MOTIVATOR, WHATEVER, JACK, THIS PASTOR MUSTER? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER DO WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN.
UH, NOW NEXT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENTERING INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES REGARDING MERGING CERTAIN INSURANCE FOODS.
UH, WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, KIND OF WAS A LITTLE BIT VARIED ABOUT, BUT THEN WHEN, UH, WE SAW IT COULD BENEFIT ALL OUR COUNTIES AND, UH, AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, OPERATION AT THE TECH AND I FELT IT WAS OKAY.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROW.
ALICE COLE FOR THE TON COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
THEN WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE APPRO, THE DEDICATION OF ELENA SHIN FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE.
NEXT WE'LL DISCUSS, UH, APPRO THE DE OF RODNEY LAW FOR THE TON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IS THIS ANY RELATION TO JOE DUNN? SORRY, THE SHERIFF HAS
YOU GONNA BE THE FIFTH YEAR ENDING NEXT WEEK? OKAY.
UH, WE ANYBODY SIGN UP THE SHEET TODAY? TWO WEEKS
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EMERGENCY.I GUESS EMERGENCY IS LIMIT CUT OR ELECTRICITY.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER FOR, THAT'S, THEY KEPT GETTING MY, THE
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LOOK MORE AT THE NUMBERS.SO IF YOU DO 18 2 80, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE ONLY POSITIVE I NEED,
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LISA.JUST BECAUSE HOW OUT HERE DOESN'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE TIMS BACK AND PUT BACK OVER HERE IN PRECINCT ONE, PRECINCT TABLE FOUR SUPPOSED TO BE DIVIDED.
WE'RE GOING, OH REALLY? THAT COPPER LINE ABOUT SIX FOOT UP PROBABLY SHRIMP HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
OH JUDGE, WHAT WAS THE, UH, FINAL, ARE WE GONNA GET TOGETHER ABOUT THAT? WHAT WAS THE PLAN? UH, THE PLAN ON WAS, UH, UH, I WAS GOING TO CHECK WITH CHUCK AND TELL HIM WHAT THIS YEAR, WHAT THEY SAID AND UH, SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IF ANYTHING, IF THEY WILL AGREE THAT THIS IS, IT'S OVER, OVER CHUCK.
YOU KNOW, CHUCK WASN'T SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
CHUCK SAID WE HAVE TO GO TO A LAWSUIT.
BUT WE HAD A MEETING WITH EUROPEAN, DALLAS, WE ALL THAT.
SO THERE'S A MECHANISM THAT HE'S, THAT THE SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT SAYS, YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT EVERYBODY, HAVE EVERYBODY GETTING HAD A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME COST FOUR 50, THAT NORTHERN LINE UP THERE.
HE SAID, NOW IF YOU DID, HE SAID, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SINGLE APPRAISAL VIDEO.
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I WAS SO MUCH INVOLVED IN THE OTHER PART OF OUR CONVERSATION.I, I SAID I WON'T GET BACK WITH YOU IN, IN A BOOK TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS.
I TRY TO SOLVE THIS OTHER PROBLEM FIRST, BUT I'LL GET HIS PAYMENT NUMBER.
CALL AND FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT THEY RE I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE OFF ON, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE OFF ON THE HEALTH, WE'RE OFF ON THE ROCKWELL COUNTY SIDE ACCORDING TO ROCK WALLS.
AND IMAGINE WE'RE OFF ON, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN SIDE.
I BE, WE'RE OFF ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
WELL I TALKED, I THINK IT WAS GREG.
NO, I CAN'T SAY ALL THIS DISCREPANCIES TO GET GREG IN THE SURVEYOR DOWN IN
I MEAN THEY GOTTA GO OUT AND REESTABLISH THOSE POINTS, YOU KNOW.
WHERE'S THAT BIG BOAR TREE? THREE INCH BOAR TREE CUT DOWN 20 YEARS.
THERE IS SOME KIND OF MECHANISM AGREEABLY WITHOUT TALKING THE SURVEYORS GET THE TWO SURVEYORS TO AGREE THE GENERAL LAND.
UH, WHEN THE GENERAL LAND OFFICER SAYS, WE AIN'T GONNA TELL YOU WHERE IT'S AT.
WE'LL JUST TELL YOU IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE.
THAT'S THE ONLY HELP WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU STRAIGHT LINE FROM WORK.
WE STILL HAVE HE SOMETHING ABOUT THE SAME.
LETTER LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WAS THAT, OR I DUNNO, A LOT MORE WERE LEGAL FEES ON.
I ASK WHY THERE WAS A LOT OF TAXABLE VALUE.
WHAT WAS THAT JOKE YOU GONNA TELL ME? I KNOW SHE'S READY HOUR OR SOMETHING.
TELL ME WHEN WE ONE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ROAD MATERIALS.
THAT'S A PART OF YOUR JOB, ISN'T IT? WELL ALL THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE ON FORTY SIXTY SIX CALL ME TO FIX THEIR WELL.
THAT'S THE ONE THE JUDGE LIVES ON.
UH, DIDN'T GET A TO TWO YEARS AGO ROAD OIL WAS $42 A BARREL.
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THAT SOUTHWEST.YEAH, WE HAD A COUPLE OF 'EM DOWN AS I TELL YOU WHAT I PUT PRIME ON THAT CAN TRY
NEST WAS TELLING IT LOOKED REAL GOOD.
I SAW YOU WORKED ON MURPHY THOUGH.
I'M GONNA WAIT FOR A COUPLE MORE GAMES BEFORE I START BRAGGING.
THEY'RE ALL I KNOW I LEFT IT WAS 35 TO THREE SEVEN AND THEN I HEARD THAT THEY GOT LIKE, BUT WE GOT TOUCH BACK SO I DUNNO.
I KNOW WE LOST, WE LOST SCHOOL.
I DIDN'T, I WAS IN THE CONCESSION STAND THE WHOLE TIME.
EVERYTHING WAS WATER AND ICED TEA.
I DUNNO IS HEARD THIS CONGESTIVE, SHE WAS STILL THE JUDGE.
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SO YOU CAN'T DO MUCH WITHOUT PJ.OH SHE DID? WHAT'D SHE GO TO? KENTUCKY FAMILY REUNION COUNTY CHARGING.
BUT I HAD JOHNNY CHECK IT OUT.
THERE IS A JOHNNY WORKING, WORKING.
AND THE PERSON WHO, WHO SUED US SERVICE WORKERS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN SITUATION.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH UH, JUDGE
UH, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST WHAT YOU GET A 65 70-YEAR-OLD GUY THAT CAN'T PICK UP TRASH.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUNDS, STATE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE ALL IN
ARE YOU SURE? THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE.
WHAT'D YOU GET? I, I DIDN'T HEAR WHICH ONE.
SEE, I HEARD, I HEARD HIM SAY IT AND THEN I HEARD HIM SAY IT AND THEN I HEARD YOU SAY HE SAID IT AND I DON'T, ME AND JUDY ARE GOING WITH JEN.
I RELINQUISHED SECOND
WHO'S GONNA PICK, WHO MADE THE MOTION? I THOUGHT I MADE THE MOTION.
AND ALL THE DO IN FAVOR OF IT.
WELL IF HE DISAPPOINTED EVERYBODY NEED TO PAY THE BILLS.
WHO PAY BILLS? UH, WE, WE ADJOURN.
COMMISSIONER CLARK MOVES AND WE ADJOURN.
ARE YOU SURE? COMMISSIONER SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.