* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] I SEE, UH, UH, MY PREACHER OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THIS MORNING. AND DAVID, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD TO START US OFF WITH A PRAYER THIS MORNING. OKAY. YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO JUDGE? WELL, WE START EVERY MEETING WITH THE PRAYER, AND SO, AND WE NEED IT. YOU JUST, UH, YOU'RE HANDY THIS MORNING. YES, SIR. I KNOW I WAS. I APOLOGIZE. LET US PRAY. GRACIOUS GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN TODAY THAT NURTURES THE GROUND AS YOUR SPIRIT, UH, SUSTAINS OUR SOULS. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COURT AND FOR THE WAY IT DISPENSES JUSTICE IN THIS TERRITORY. WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO SERVE AND, UH, FOR THEIR LIVES. THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, WHICH YOU'VE GIVEN TO US WITH ALL OF ITS PROMISE AND ALL OF ITS POSSIBILITIES. KEEP US MINDFUL OF YOUR PRESENCE WITH US IN EVERY SITUATION AND CIRCUMSTANCE THAT COMES BEFORE THIS COURT, AND BLESS THESE PEOPLE IN CHRIST'S NAME, AMEN. AMEN. WILL JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE, OUR FLAG. I PUT ALLEGIANCE, SPEAK THE FLAG FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND INJUSTICE FOR ALL. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO ME, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, WATER AND ALL. WE'RE GETTING THAT Y'ALL PROVE BEEN PROVIDE COPY OF MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. SECOND, UH, MOTION MADE BY MR. SHANE. SECOND, DR. MR. MC ALL IN FAIR TO SAY? AYE. MOTION CARE. I'M GONNA SKIP SOME ROUTINE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT LATER AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, UM, THE SIXTH ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A YOUNG LADY IN THIS COUNTY WHO IS REACHING A MILESTONE IN HER LIFE. AND, UH, WE'VE KNOWN THIS YOUNG LADY A LONG TIME. I'VE GO TO CHURCH WITH HER COMMISSIONER ROUND AND I, AND, UH, AND SOME OF OUR CONGREGATION IS OUT THERE THIS MORNING. AND Y MET OUR PREACHER, DAVID CARR. BUT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, READ A RESOLUTION THIS MORNING AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET ENOUGH, UH, SUPPORT ON THE COURT OF . JUDGE, LET ME, UH, INTRODUCE SOMETHING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE BEFORE WE READ THE RESOLUTION. GO AHEAD. UM, MS. CRAIG'S SON, BILL CRAIGER IS HERE IF HE WOULD STAND UP. AND, UH, HIS AND ALSO, UH, THE GRANDDAUGHTER. AMY WILCOX. YES. OKAY. AMY, GOOD TO SEE YOU. UH, THERE'S SOME OF THE CONGREGATION HERE. I'D SEE WANDA SANDERS. CAROL LAGA, UH, MARILYN. MARILYN. WHAT'S HER NAME? , MARILYN. AND A PREACHER, YOU SAID? UH, KIND OF FUNNY IN A WAY. JUDGE, UH, MS. CRAIG'S HUSBAND, THEIR FATHER WORKED HERE AND THIS, WHEN, THIS WAS THE BANK. YEAH. MANY, MANY YEARS. SO, UH, IT JUST SORT OF GOES FULL CIRCLE. THE PROCLAMATION IS, WHEREAS [00:05:01] FEL KRIEGER WILL CELEBRATE HER 100TH BIRTHDAY ON OCTOBER 16TH, 2007. AND WHERE SHE HAS LIVED A LONG AND PRODUCTIVE LIFE DEMONSTRATING IN COUNTLESS WAYS HER DEDICATION TO HER FAMILY, HER CHURCH, AND HER COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS HOTEL SHARED HER LOVE AND DEVOTION WITH WL HER HUSBAND OF 58 YEARS, AND AS THEY RAISED THREE CHILDREN DURING THE DEPRESSION YEARS, WHILE ALWAYS SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO ALLEVIATE SUFFERING AND NEED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS SHE HAS SHOWN GREAT INTEREST IN HER CHURCH THROUGH MEMBERSHIP AND WOMEN'S GROUPS AND LOVE OF COMMUNITY, THROUGH CHERISHED AFTERNOONS WITH FRIENDS IN HER BRIDGE CLUB, AND PARTICIPATION IN THE COFFIN GARDEN CLUB, WHERE AS A LOVER OF THE BEAUTY OF NATURE, SHE WAS AN AVID GARDENER. NOW THEREFORE, WE, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF DALTON COUNTY DID BY PROCLAIM THE 16TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2007 AS OELL CRAGER DAY IN KAUFMAN COUNTY, AND TO JOIN ALL RESIDENTS OF KAUFMAN COUNTY IN CONGRATULATING MS. ELL, MS. ELL CRAGER ON THE OCCASION OF HER 100TH BIRTHDAY. AND, UM, TO THE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE HERE, WE, UH, WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS. AND, UH, SHE'S A NICE, SWEET LADY. CAN YOU SHARE WITH US HOW SHE'S FEELING TODAY? SHE'S FEELING FINE. SHE'S, SHE'S DOING WELL. SHE'S STILL NOT OUT OF THE HER APARTMENT YET. UH, NOT SO SHE'S UNABLE TO BE HERE, BUT SHE'S HONORED TO RECEIVE THIS. YES. MS. GRAY? YES. GREAT. WELL, COMMISSIONER BROWN WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. I MOTION JUDGE. COMMISSIONER SHANE WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. YOU KNOW, THE OLDER I GET, THE MORE THAT 100 THAT'S SEE THAT OFTEN , WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING. UH, Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO STAY HERE. THE REST OF THIS, UH, COURT, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU'RE READY TO LEAVE THAT, THAT'LL BE FINE. BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE, UH, PROCLAMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO CIRCULATE AND YOU CAN TAKE IT STILL GIVES ME, STILL GIVES ME HOPE FOR THAT 70-YEAR-OLD MAN TAKING A LOAN OFF 30. ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR CONGREGATION, MS. ANN HARRISON, HAS COME IN. OH, ANN. AND ALSO THIS IS, AND THEY'RE FROM ARIZONA, WHERE BILL IS FROM MARYLAND. SO THEY COME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE. READ THE LEGAL LANGUAGE. NOT, I HAD TO READ IT AFTER I SIGNED IT. [00:10:50] NATALIE, DID Y'ALL COME UP PLEASE? GOOD TO MEET YOU, SIR. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, HERE'S THE PROCLAMATION. WE HAVE TWO COPIES THERE. ONE FOR YOU, JACKIE. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SEE, THAT'S A MILESTONE. UH, WE, UH, WE REALLY ENJOYED HER BEING AROUND US. WE DO TOO. . YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SOMEONE ASKED, THE ONLY REASON WE WERE DOING THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS A METHODIST, I, WE REACH THAT MILESTONE TO ANYBODY, BAPTIST OR SHERIFF OR CATHOLIC, OR ANYBODY BE HAPPY TO GIVE THEM A RESOLUTION. THAT'S GOOD. LET'S GIVE THEM A BIG, UM, AS WE LOOK OUTSIDE THIS MORNING, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS WHERE WE KNOW WE SHOULD INITIATE THE BURN BAN IN COSTMAN COUNTY. LARRY, ARE YOU HERE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I THINK HE DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP AFTER, AFTER THE LAST COUPLE OF FEW HOURS. WELL, LARRY DECIDED NOT TO COME, SO, UH, UH, WE'LL ENTERTAIN THEM ACTUALLY UNTIL, UNTIL THIS RAIN CAME THROUGH. IT'S BEEN VERY DRY IN THE COUNTY. AND, UH, UH, THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF THAT THIS MORNING. BUT SINCE THE RAIN HAS COME THROUGH, UH, I DON'T THINK WE'LL WORRY ABOUT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THE TABLE. THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DEL SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE HAVE IS, UH, KATHY MORRIS TO, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PROVING THEM LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN COFFIN COUNTY AND THE SKIRT OFFICER INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE PURCHASE OF USING SKIRT OFFICER INDEPENDENT SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE EVENT OF A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY AS PART OF DC'S READINESS INITIATIVE. CORRECT. THAT SAYS IT ALL. THIS IS PART OF THE, IF WE EVER HAVE A COUNTYWIDE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE A REASON WHY NEED TO DISPENSE MAS DOSES OF, OF MEDICATIONS TO EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE SIX OTHER SITES. ORIGINALLY, THE STATE HAD ENTERED INTO THESE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE SCHOOLS. UM, WE HAD ONE THAT WE WANTED TO CHANGE AND STORY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE. SO WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO ENTER INTO THIS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE STATE SAID IT WOULD TAKE THEM AT LEAST NINE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH ALL STUFF TO DO . WE REALLY, WE REALLY, BECAUSE THIS, THIS PROJECT IS PRETTY MUCH DONE, ALMOST DONE. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE LAST LITTLE PIECE OF IT. WE LIKE TO, THEY LIKE TO DO THIS. THE ANTELOPE IN COUNTY, A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE DRAGGING THEIR FEET. YEAH. THERE'S SOME THAT ARE STILL DRAGGING THEIR FEET. UH, WHAT I WAS TOLD LAST WEEK IN 2008, ALL THOSE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS THAT THE STATE HAS IN PLACE WITH THE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO EXPIRE. SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ACTUALLY DOING INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THESE OTHER SCHOOLS, WITH THE COUNTY INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE STATE. IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER HAPPENING WHERE WE NEED TO OPEN THESE SCHOOLS UP, IT'S ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THE SCHOOLS, IT'S GOING TO REIMBURSE MY FEMA BECAUSE IT'LL BE A PRESIDENTIAL DISASTER DECLARATION AND EVERYTHING DO HAVE INTER LOCAL WITH THE OTHER SCHOOLS. WE DON'T. THE STATE DOES THIS TIME, BUT NEXT YEAR WE PROBABLY CHANGE THAT TO WHERE WE'LL BRING TO THE COUNTY. IS THIS AN ANNUAL? NO, ACTUALLY I [00:15:01] THINK IT DOES EVERY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE CAN DO IT INDEFINITELY WITH THIS IN LOCAL AGREEMENT. THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME SET ON HOURS. THE STATE DID. YEAH. IT'S UH, IT'S A NEW PROGRAM. IT HASN'T BEEN IN EFFECT A LONG TIME. YEAH. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ABOUT THREE YEARS. YEAH. IT'S ALL A RESULT OF NON. OKAY. UH, JIM, THAT'S IN YOU APPRECIATE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MR. CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR WITH AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. I DIDN'T DO THAT. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. KATHY. UH, I WANNA THANK YOU PUBLICLY FOR, UH, ASSISTING US WITH OUR FE NEGOTIATIONS. WE'VE HAD SO FAR, THE ASSISTANCE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US AND THE KATHY COLUMN WAS DOWN IN, UH, PRECINCT FOUR HAS GIVEN, GIVEN US UP THERE. UH, WE SIGNED OFF ON THE FIRST PROJECT LAST FRIDAY, THE CHECKS IN THE MAIL. THANK YOU FOR PREPARING. YEAH. TWO CAPTAIN, TWO CAPTAINS. WE HAVE, UH, RIGHT AFTER COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY I'M MEETING WITH THE GENTLEMAN COMING OUT OF ATLANTA. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE LADY THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. HE'S COMING OUT OF ATLANTA TODAY. UH, AND HE'LL BE WITH ME FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS. YEAH. AND THEY DID THAT. SHE'S STILL WORKING IN THE COUNTY, BUT SINCE THEY, THEY'RE ON KIND OF A DEADLINE, SO THEY FINALLY FREED UP ANOTHER PROJECT OFFICER. THEY TOLD ME THIS MORNING THAT THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY HERE IN THE COUNTY. YEAH. SHE CALLED US EVER SENDING ANOTHER ONE TO COVER OUT. YEP. GOOD DEAL. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT IN THAT, KATHY. UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, AND CONSIDER PASSING A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, UH, DISTRICT FOR THE CITY OF PEARL. WE HAD A PRESENTATION, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AS Y'ALL CALL. AND, UH, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND, UH, I THINK THERE MAY BE A FEW PEOPLE THIS MORNING WHO MAY WANNA SIGN UP AND SPEAK. IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, WE HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET UP HERE ON THE PODIUM IF YOU WANNA COME FORTH. MAYOR RICHARDS, GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING, SIR. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. JEN AND COMMISSIONERS, WE APPRECIATE, UH, BEING ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING AND A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A FEW POINTS THAT I THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT COVER. UH, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ASKED, AND I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE. UH, I HAVE WITH ME TODAY. UH, WE HAVE TORY EDWARDS, OUR CITY MANAGER, STEVE ROGERS, OUR CITY ENGINEER IS BACK THERE. AND, UH, LARRY KLEIN WITH SCHRADER AND KLEIN, WHO'S HELPING US ON THIS TIP THIS YEAR. AND OF COURSE, THEIR JOB IS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T, WHICH, UH, IS HIGHLY LIKELY. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED EARLIER, WHICH WAS A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING TO OVERLOOK, IS THAT ACCORDING TO, UH, LARRY KLEIN'S, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, THAT OVER THE PERIOD OF THE TIFF, UH, THIS IS GONNA GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $42 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY. THAT'S ACCORDING TO OUR PLAN. IT WOULD BE $40 MILLION, $42 MILLION OF COUNTY REVENUE GOING INTO THE TIP, BUT $42 MILLION TO YOUR GENERAL FUND. AND OF COURSE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S $42 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT HOMEOWNERS AREN'T GONNA HAVE TO PAY. AND I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT, AT LEAST I KNOW FOR MY TAXPAYERS, THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING. AND AS A MEMBER, AS A TAXPAYER IN THE COUNTY, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO ME TOO THAT I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THESE NEW BUSINESSES PAYING THAT $42 MILLION RATHER THAN, THAN ME PAYING MY SHARE OF THAT. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP, IT WAS, UH, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY DURING THE LIFE OF THIS, THAT, UH, THERE MIGHT BE OCCASION FOR BONDS WILL BE ISSUED. IF BONDS ARE ISSUED, THE BONDS WILL BE ISSUED IN THE NAME OF THE CITY OF TER. AND THE COUNTY HAS NO RISK, ZERO RISK OF IF, IF FOR SOME REASON A BOND, UH, WERE TO DEFAULT, UH, THAT FALLS A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO THERE'S NO RISK FOR THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OTHER RISK IN TURN IF FOR SOME REASON, AND THE ONLY EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF, IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF CATASTROPHIC EVENT IN THE ECONOMY AND THE TIFF JUST NEVER PRODUCED LIKE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD, THERE'S NO RISK TO THE COUNTY. THERE'S REALLY NO RISK TO THE CITY BECAUSE THERE WOULD JUST BE NO MONEY PUT INTO IT. IF THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO MONEY THAT GOES INTO IT. THE [00:20:01] ONLY RISK THAT THE CITY HAS IS WE'VE SPENT, OF COURSE, MONTH, I GUESS BETTER, THE BETTER PART OF THE YEAR WORKING ON THIS. AND OF COURSE WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN TERMS OF, UH, THE STUDIES AND RESEARCH AND, UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE COUNCIL AND WORKSHOP. SO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY RISK THAT EVEN THE CITY HAS. SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT, THEN THERE'S NO MONEY SPENT. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT IT'S, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS CONFUSING, PARTICULARLY THE CITIZENS WHO, WHO ARE JUST, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH THESE THINGS AS SOME OF US DO. UH, THIS IS NOT A TAX ABATEMENT. IT IS NOT A TAX ABATEMENT. THIS, THERE'S NO MONEY. THERE IS NO TAX MONEY BEING GIVEN AWAY OR DEFERRED, UH, TO ANYONE. UH, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I, THAT I WANTED TO BRING HIM, THIS ACTUALLY COMES FROM A CONVERSATION WE HAD, UH, WITH, UH, WITH OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, RICK HARRISON. HE SAID, UH, HE, WE WERE TALKING SOMETHING ELSE, BUT HE SAID, LEADERS IN, IN CALIN COUNTY, WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE NOT LIVING IN A RURAL COUNTY ANYMORE. WE'RE NECK AND NECK IN COMPETITION WITH ALL OF THE OTHER URBAN COUNTIES FOR, UH, BUSINESSES AND FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, ROCKWALL COUNTY, ELLIS COUNTY, UH, I'M SURE HUNT COUNTY AND AND OTHER COUNTIES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING, USING THESE TIP TOOLS AND OTHER WAYS TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENTS. IF YOU TAKE THESE, THESE NATIONAL CHAIN RESTAURANTS AND RETAILERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BUDGETED FOR EXPANSION IN THEIR REGION, AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT THOSE EXPANSIONS IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE. UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A, A RESTAURANT OR A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OUT IN A COW PASTURE SOMEWHERE ALONG INTERSTATE 20. THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE DON'T HAVE IT IN COFFIN COUNTY. UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING THAT BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT $42 MILLION GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO SOME OTHER COUNTIES. GENERAL FUND. UH, THE OTHER QUESTION THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A QUESTION AROUND GOING AROUND THE COUNTY TOO, ABOUT OTHER CITIES WANTING TO DO TIFFS. AND I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING APPLIES. I'M, I'M EXCITED FOR OTHER CITIES. I THINK WE, IN THE CITY OF TERRELL ARE EXCITED TO SUPPORT OTHER CITIES DOING A TIF IF IT'S GONNA BRING IN ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT INTO THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT IS ABOUT BRINGING IN NEW BUSINESSES THAT WE WANT NEW RETAIL, NEW RESTAURANTS. BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO ABOUT EVERY BUSINESS THAT COMES IN AND IS PAYING THOSE TAXES IS MONEY THAT I'M NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY. AND I'M THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING AND WOULD BE REALLY GLAD TO SUPPORT ANY OF THE CITY. AND THEY GET READY TO DO A TIP. AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS NORTH TEXAS METROPLEX, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TIPS. DALLAS. WELL, I'LL LET LARRY TALK ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE HE CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS AND HOW MANY TIPS ARE BEING DONE. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TIP PROVIDES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH, WITH BUSINESSES. BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO LOCATE IN KALIN COUNTY. WE CAN SAY, YEAH, THIS IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS WE WANT AND WE'RE WILLING TO SUPPORT YOUR COMING HERE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT HERE'S THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WANT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS KIND OF A BUSINESS, AND IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND PUT ME IN SOME SORT OF A BUSINESS, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT. WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT WITH PIT FUNDS. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING WITH THE COUNTY. AND I, I KNOW I'VE LISTENED THINGS OUT AND I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, UH, MR. EDWARDS IF HE, TO COVER MY TRACKS. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, TO THE COURT. UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, UH, SINCE THE LAST COMMISSIONER'S MEETING, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL QUESTIONS ASKED WAS US TO RESEARCH AT THE CITY OF TERRELL. BUT I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS IN TERMS OF THERE'S, AFTER TODAY, AFTER THE COURT CONSIDERS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IN TERMS OF BUILDING SOME CONTROL INTO THE PROCESS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER STEPS IN THE PROCESS. UH, IN WORKING WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CLARK, HE ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW CAN THE CITY AND COUNTY STRUCTURE THE TIFF TO KEEP SOME CONTROL, NOT ONLY TO PROTECT THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO TO PROTECT THE, THE CITY OF TERRELL AS WELL. BUT ONE MECHANISM FOR DOING THAT IS THROUGH THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. THAT IS YOUR DETAILED STRUCTURE OF HOW THE COUNTY CAN CONTROL THIS TIP. THAT'S A SEPARATE STEP IN THE PROCESS, AND WE HOPE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS WELL. AGAIN, THAT'LL DETAIL EVERYTHING. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THE COUNTY HAS [00:25:01] NO OBLIGATION FOR REPAYING BOND DEBT. THAT'S CITY'S OBLIGATION. WELL, IN THAT STRUCTURE, IN THE INNER, UH, LOCAL AGREEMENT, IT NEEDS TO SAY THAT, UH, COUPLE OF, OF ONE OTHER THOUGHT ON THAT IS, AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS, SO THAT THE COUNTY, UH, BOTH GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES CAN BE PROTECTED. THE SECOND POINT IS INTERNALLY, UH, WITH THE COUNTY, THE CITY WILL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT A POLICY MECHANISM THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD GENERATE, NOT ONLY FOR, TO MANAGE THE CITY OF TERRELL, BUT ALSO OTHER CITIES, BECAUSE OTHERS, UH, MAY POTENTIALLY COME TO YOU, UH, REQUESTING THE SAME THING. SO THERE ARE SOME POLICY STEPS THAT NEED TO OCCUR, UH, IN THE FUTURE TO BETTER MANAGE, UH, TIFS NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL, BUT ALSO OTHER CITIES THAT COME BEFORE YOU ASKING THE SAME THING. UH, ONE LAST POINT I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT, UH, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE EXPERIENCING QUITE A BIT OF, OF, OF GROWTH ACTIVITY. SO IS OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY, BUT THE TOOL, THIS IS JUST A TOOL TO HELP STIMULATE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THAT, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I KNOW WE, THE, THE THIRD QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS OTHER CITIES, IF WE COULD DO SOME CHECK-IN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED THE TIFF, WE PROVIDED THE LIST TO YOU OF OTHER CITIES. THAT LIST IS, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR HERE, THAT LIST, MR. KLEIN AND SCHRADER, THEIR FIRM, THAT'S THE LIST OF CITIES THAT THEY HAVE ASSISTED IN DEVELOPING A TIF. SO THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS. THAT'S ONLY THEIR CLIENT LIST IN TERMS OF WHO THEY HAVE, HAVE ASSISTED IN, IN DEVELOPING A TIF. SO WITH THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF MR. MR. CLIENT HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THOSE POINTS IN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU, TORY. UH, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, I'M LARRY KLEIN. I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. UH, SPECIFICALLY LET ME REINFORCE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, THAT THE MAYOR AND MR. EDWARDS SAID. UH, ONE THAT THIS, THIS IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND, AND WITH THAT, THE CITY AND COUNTY WILL BE DEALING WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS ON PROJECTS THAT, THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, UH, TIF FUND ASSISTANCE ON. THIS REALLY GIVES THE, THE CITY AND COUNTY A TOOL IN ORDER TO HELP NEGOTIATE A BETTER PROJECT THAN YOU MIGHT GET IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE THIS TIP AVAILABLE. SO IT REALLY, UH, REALLY GIVES YOU AN ADVANTAGE IN DEALING WITH DEVELOPERS AS THEY'RE COMING INTO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. SECONDLY, AS MR. EDWARDS MENTIONED, THAT THE LIST OF CITIES THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED ARE, AGAIN, ARE TIFF THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN CREATING, UH, THAT THE COUNTY HAS PARTICIPATED IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE. BUT, BUT THAT, THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST. AND THAT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS ITSELF PROBABLY HAS, UH, 12 OR 15 TIFFS. I, I'VE BEGUN TO LOSE COUNT AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CREATING A COUPLE OF THOSE, BUT, BUT, UH, PLANT PLANO HAS A COUPLE, UH, SOUTH LAKE HAS ONE. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE TIFFS, UH, AROUND THE STATE THAT OTHERS HAVE HELPED, UH, CREATE. THAT IS NOT AN EXHAUSTING LIST. WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, I'LL STOP AND, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ONE OF US CAN ANSWER, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT QUESTION. I JUST HAVE, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE, WELL, I HAVE ABOUT FIVE STATEMENTS, BUT ONE, UH, MAYOR NEY IS HERE. AND THAT, THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE A COUNTYWIDE RESOLUTION. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE THE MAYORS, UH, EDC OR WHOEVER WANTS TO BE INVOLVED. LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP AND ONE RESOLUTION THAT COVERS THE WHOLE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'RE, I HEAR THE FOOTSTEPS AT THE DOOR, AND I'M SURE OTHER CITIES ARE REALLY GONNA WANT TO, AND, AND WE HAVE ONE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD COVER ALL, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH SIMPLER. COMMISSIONER, CAN I ADDRESS THAT? SURE. UH, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT I WOULD RESPOND TO. ONE OF THEM IS I THINK THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DEVELOP SOME GUIDELINES, BUT I, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY COMPLICATED ABOUT THE TIP IS THE, IS THE MAPPING OF THE TIP AND THE ENGINEERING OF THE TIP. OTHER WORDS, DECIDING WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO WHICH AREA. AND, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS GONNA BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. UM, [00:30:02] SO I THINK THAT, UH, THE COUNTY AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER MIGHT WANNA WORKSHOP AND COME UP WITH SOME GUIDELINES OR SOMETHING. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IS ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE SO DIFFERENT AND THE NEEDS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME TIPS ARE GONNA BE LITTLE BITTY. SOME TIPS ARE GONNA BE REALLY LARGE. THEY'RE GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT. I DON'T THINK THAT ANY STANDARDIZED METHOD IS GOING TO WORK OTHER THAN GENERATING SOME GUIDELINES THAT DEFINE WHAT MAYBE THE COUNTY'S GOALS ARE. THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, UM, WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON THIS TIP. EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE IS PREDICATED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS TIFF IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. AND THE REASON IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY BEING DONE IN OUR, IN OUR AREA IN THE T THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING, THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTING THE TAX VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. AND, UH, IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, TO MAKE ALL THE NUMBERS WORK FOR US, FOR THE CITY. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CAPTURE THIS YEAR, THE VALUE WE START TO T BEFORE WE GET THE APPRAISALS ON JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE A HUGE, THAT'S GONNA GIVE US A BIG, UH, RUNNING START ON GETTING THIS TIF ON THE TIF FUND STARTED. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A, IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA THAT THE COUNTY WOULD WANT TO COME UP WITH SOME GUIDELINES, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT. IT'S GONNA BE REALLY, UH, I THINK ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. AND MR. KLEIN MIGHT WANT TO, HE MIGHT HAVE SOME, SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE HE KNOWS ABOUT THE COMPLEXITIES OF IT. I KNOW JUST THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF THIS HAVE BEEN, UH, MONUMENTAL AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING AND HOW TO, HOW TO PLAN A BUDGET FRAUD. SO, I'M SORRY. YEAH, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD JUST BE A, AS YOU MENTIONED, A GENERAL GUIDELINE AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO, TO DO FOR THIS, FOR THIS MUNICIPALITY, THIS CITY, THIS TOWN, WHATEVER. YEAH. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS AS THIS ONE HERE THAT, THAT YOU GAVE US, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THE COUNTY TO ESTABLISH WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR GOALS ARE CANADA. RIGHT. AND I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE MAYORS OF ALL THE CITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED BE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW? SURE. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS COULD BE A WIN-WIN. IT WILL BE A WIN-WIN. IT HAS BEEN A WIN-WIN EVERYWHERE. IT'S BEEN DONE. ABSOLUTELY. I, I HAVE A FEW ISSUES THAT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA SATISFY ME. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE BOND LIABILITY. I KNOW YOU SAID THE COUNTY IS NOT LIABLE FOR THIS BOND. THE COUNTY CAN TERMINATE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. WHEN, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. EDWARDS WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT REALLY THE RESOLUTION IS JUST SORT OF THE STARTING POINT. UH, THE COUNTY CAN PUT IN, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. NO, NO. MONEY CAN GO IN, NOTHING CAN HAPPEN. UH, AND THE COUNTY, UH, CAN SPECIFY IN THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR ANY BONDS. THAT'S A AND YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THERE. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S GONNA ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN THE BONDS ARE GONNA SAY CITY OF REVAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIGN. I, I, I THINK THIS THING IS, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WERE, IF I WERE SITTING IN ISSUES, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. AND YOUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE CITY. ABSOLUTE. WELL, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA BE PROTECTED AS FAR AS, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA BE STAYING IN BOND AND YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONE TO DECIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO RUN THAT SEWER LINE, THAT WATER LINER OR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA WELL, THE TIFF BOARD WILL DECIDE THAT. WE'LL DECIDE THOSE THINGS AND DECIDE WHAT GOES FIRST. I, I JUST HAVE, THOSE ARE SIMPLE ISSUES THAT CAN BE RESOLVED. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I AGREE. I I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP. I'D LIKE TO GET MORE UNDERSTANDING. UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH A LOT OF WORKSHOPS BEFORE THIS IS OVER WITH. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME. IS YOU ONE JANUARY BASED ON THE TAX, UH, DATE. YES. AND WE'RE NOT, AND OF COURSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME. ALL WE'RE DOING IS, IS BEING ABLE TO FREEZE THOSE TAXES AT TODAY VALUES SO THAT WE GET THAT THAT END OF THE, AND THIS, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE SUFFICIENT THEN YEAH. THAT'S ALL WE NEED. YES. YEAH. IN, IN ESTABLISHING THE TIP BEFORE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THAT FREEZES THE VALUES AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2007, BECAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THAT GIVES US SOME EARLY SEED MONEY INTO THE TIFF THAT WE'LL MISS IF WE DON'T MAKE THAT DAMAGE. AND ALL OF OUR NUMBERS, WERE KIND OF PREDICATED ON THAT. ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR RICHARDS AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE ISSUE OF THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, UH, THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT HAVE IF, UH, DEVELOPERS OR THE WHOLE SITUATION, UH, AND WE DISCUSSED PUTTING IT IN OUR RESOLUTION, UH, THE COUNTY WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE AND ALSO IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT. [00:35:02] UH, BUT AFTER, UH, MAYOR I VISITED AND THOUGHT OCCURRED TO ME, WE CAN PUT IN THERE WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT IT'S WHAT STATE LAW IS THAT WILL, UH, UH, CONTROL. AND I HAVE NOT HAD SUFFICIENT TIMES COMMISSION RESEARCH THAT ONE PARTICULAR POINT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE CAN PUT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE. BUT, UH, WE KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS BUILD UP, JUST LIKE ON SOME OF OUR COUNTY ROAD NOW. AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE MIGHT PUT IN THERE WILL NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE. BUT, UH, THE LAW SAYS THAT I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO WHAT THE LAW SAYS, BUT, UH, IT'S IN DISPUTE. IT'S IN DISPUTE. YEAH. HONOR. UH, BUT JUDGE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT THE BONDS WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE THE NAME OF THE ACCOUNT. IT WOULDN'T, THE COUNTY'S NAME WOULD NOT BE IN THE TITLE. NO. AND SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, IF I SIGN A NOTE, YOU KNOW, IF I SIGN A NOTE PERSONALLY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT COMMISSIONER SI MEAN, I'M NOT A LAWYER, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BE A RISK. AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A, A CITY, CITY DEAL WITH THE ISSUE WITH A BOND. THERE WILL BE NO MENTION OF THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT, UH, A COUNTY ISSUED BOND. IT'LL BE A CITY ISSUED BOND THROUGH THE TIP. SO THERE'S NO RISK, NO LIABILITY IN TERMS OF REPAYMENT OF THE BONDS WITH THE COUNTY. IT'S THE CITY'S OBLIGATION. DO YOU THINK A WORK JOB PUT YOU BEHIND POWER, KURT? UH, WE COULD HAVE A WORK JOB HERE WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO. UH, WE WE'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST OUR DEADLINE. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT MEETING, WE'VE GOT MEETING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE GOT TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET THIS THING DONE BEFORE THE END OF DECEMBER. WE'RE, WE'RE CROWDING AS WE'RE CROWDING OUR SCHEDULE FOR THE CLOSE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS THE DROP DEAD DATE? NOVEMBER 5TH. NOVEMBER 5TH. YES SIR. WE HAVE TO PASS IT ON NOVEMBER, WHICH MEANS, UH, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED AS WELL, RIGHT? YES. SO WE'RE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYMORE. THE CITY HAS TO ADVISE. WE HAVE TO PASS IT BY NOVEMBER THE FIFTH IN ORDER TO, BECAUSE WE HAD, WE'VE GOTTA COME BACK IN THE SECOND REGION AFTER THAT. BUT WE'VE HAD THE DA SIT IN ON OUR MEETINGS OVER THERE AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN COOL WITH HIM. AND AFTER WE PASS THIS, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT OUR NEGOTIATIONS. RAY AND I ARE GONNA BE ON THE BOARD TAKING CARE OF THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS ON THIS TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S JUST, AND I THINK THE WORK SHOPPING IS GONNA TAKE PLACE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME SERIOUS WORKSHOPPING ON THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENT. I THINK THAT'S, AND THAT'LL BE THE SAME THING THE OTHER CITYS GONNA HAVE TO DO WHEN THEY COME ABOARD. ALL YOUR QUESTION THIS MORNING IS JUST A RESOLUTION FROM THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT. IT'S ALL REQUIRE 50%, THE 50%, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. TIME FRAME, 30 YEAR TIME FRAME. 30. LET, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE COURT ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOU WOULD 30 TO 20. UH, WHAT, UH, AND I, I'M PROBABLY GONNA, UH, GET SOME DENIALS FROM THE STAFF ON THIS, BUT, UH, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE, WE FELT LIKE THIS TIP IS GONNA BE CLOSED OUT IN 20 TO 25 YEARS. I, AND I'M NOT, I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT. I'D SAY THERE'S PROBABLY 80% CHANCE THAT THIS TIP WILL BE FINISHED IN 20 TO 25 YEARS, 26 YEARS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO A, A, A SHORT, MEDIUM LONG STUDY OR WHATEVER, THE 26 YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT MR. KLEIN IS USING, IS WHAT HE, HE SAYS UNDER THE VERY WORST SCENARIO, THIS THING WOULD LAST 26 YEARS. BUT MY QUESTION TO HIM IN ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS WAS, UH, WHY WOULD WE MAKE IT FOR LESS? I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST MAKE IT FOR FIRST? BECAUSE THERE'S NO RISK IN DOING THAT. BECAUSE WE CAN TERMINATE THE, THE TIP BOARD CAN TERMINATE THE TIP AT ANY TIME. AS LONG, AS LONG AS THAT'S, YEAH. BUT IF YOU DO IT FOR 25 YEARS AND YOU NEED ANOTHER YEAR TO FINISH IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOAST. THAT, THAT TIME PERIOD CANNOT BE EXTENDED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK VIRTUALLY ALL TIPS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ARE BEING OR, OR STARTING FROM NOW, PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE IT SHORTER TIME PERIOD. ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT, THAT WE'VE NEVER DISCUSSED BEFORE IS, UH, SAY THE TIFF GOES AND IT'S RUNNING GOOD. UH, WHAT ANNEXATION RIGHTS WILL THE TIFF HAVE IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND? THE AREA THAT THE TIFF COVERS, [00:40:02] THE ANNEXATION WILL HAS TO BE DONE THROUGH THE NORMAL CITY PROCESS. THE TIF BOARD, THE TIFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANNEX ANNEXATION AUTHORITY OR CONDEMNATION AUTHORITY. ALL TO THE CITIES COULD GO TO THE CITIES AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO EXTEND OUR IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. CORRECT. RIGHT. ONE, IT HAVE TO BE REGULAR. RIGHT? THE TIFF, HOW POWER OF A IN THE DOMAIN, I THINK THAT CAME UP THE STATUTE. STATUTE SAYS CONDEMNATION. NO, NOT THE TIFF. THE CITY, CITY DOES THE CITY BOARD. THE TIFF TIFF BOARD IS ONLY A RECOMMENDING BOARD. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE AN ANIMAL THAT'S GONNA RUN OUT THERE ON ITS OWN AND JUST BE HOSTILE AND, AND BEING ALCOHOL. THE 10TH COURT WORKS A LOT LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS WORK IN THAT, UH, THE, THEY OF COURSE, THE, THEY DEAL WITH TECHNICAL MATTERS AND THEY COME TO THE COUNCIL WITH, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE BASED ON THE, THAT BASED ON WHICH THEY BASE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE COUNCIL, MOST COUNCILS GENERALLY, UH, FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT, BUT IT IS STILL, THE TIFF IS STILL AN ADVISORY BOARD. SO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE ULTIMATE SITE ON THAT. GOT A QUESTION. UH, SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO GET, UH, THE OTHER COUNTY OFFICER INVOLVED IN CREATING ONE OF THESE TESTS. I'VE TALKED TO RICHARD MARO, HE'S GOOD WITH IT. HE SAYS, I'M GONNA CREATE ANY HARDSHIP ON HIM, THEIR SOFTWARE SET UP TO HANDLE ALL THAT. UH, I BELIEVE OUR AUDITOR HASN'T BEEN INCLUDED ANYTHING AS YET. UH, HE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THE GUN TO, UH, UH, KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS ON OUR PART. AND I'M CORRECTING THAT OUT. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO ANSWER THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M, AND ALSO THE SECOND, AND HOW I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO LOWER THE NUMBERS AND TELL IF THEY'RE DIRECTOR OR NOT. BECAUSE I, I WORK WITH HIM EVERY EVERY DAY. JUST ABOUT, GIVE ME ONE QUESTION TODAY. UH, HOW DO WE ANALYZE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO SEE IF THEY WERE WORK FOR THE COUNTY? WELL, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ANSWERS TO THAT. AND, UH, ONE OF THEM IS THAT, UH, BASED ON MR. UH, SCHRADER'S CLIENT, BASED ON THEIR, THEIR TRACK RECORD, WE, UH, VETTED THEM PRETTY CAREFULLY BEFORE THERE'S, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS, AND THEY ARE A, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S, UH, INTEGRITY IS, IS BEYOND REPROACH. AND THEN I GUESS, UH, I WOULD ALSO, I MEAN, AND THEY'RE BEING, HE'S BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HIS 26 YEAR PAYOUT, FOR EXAMPLE. AND ALL THE NUMBERS THAT HE'S USING ARE ON CONSERVATIVE SIDE BECAUSE THE WORST THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR HIM AND FOR THE REPUTATION OF HIS FIRM WOULD BE FOR THESE NUMBERS TO NOT WORK OUT. I IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY DID ONE IN, UH, MANSFIELD, MANSFIELD, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE MANSFIELD TIP THAT THEY DID. BUT IT IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS CONSERVATIVE AS WHAT OURS IS. UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, AND I I DON'T, IS, I MEAN, I'VE KNOWN SOME OF YOU GUYS FOR A LOT OF YEARS, AND I THINK THAT, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, I HAVE THE REPUTATION OF BEING SOMEONE OF A, YOU KNOW, TIGHT WA AND SORT OF A, A CHEAP . NO, I'D LIKE TO USE THE WORD CHEAP, RATHER. MY WIFE DOES, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD. BUT, BUT I, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME AGAINST MYSELF AND I, AND I, AND I PERSONALLY AM AM WILLING TO PUT MY REPUTATION ON THE LINE WITH YOU GUYS AND TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A DEAL. THAT IS, THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. UH, THEY ARE PROJECTIONS AND THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE GONNA WORK OUT OR ARE GONNA BE VERY CONSERVATIVE. AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF A MAJOR EVENT IN OUR ECONOMY OVER THE NEXT YEARS THAT WOULD CHANGE THESE THINGS, IF THAT HAPPENS, NOTHING'S GONNA BE SPENT. AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A RISK. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE SPENT THE MONEY WITH MR. KLEIN AND THE OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ENGAGED, AND THAT'S GONNA BE LOST. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO RISK TO US WITHIN THE COUNTY. OH, I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION WITHOUT GIVING IT TO YOU. PRIOR TO BEING HERE, I TRIED AND I TRIED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS EVERYTHING. SO WE DON'T HAVE SHOOT IN THE HIP. NO. BUT, UH, HOW, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED WHAT JIM SAID ABOUT PRESS THAT THEY WERE SETTING. DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY, UH, WHAT CINDY NEY BRINGS US, DARRYL'S NOT QUITE AS, UH, UPSTANDING AS YOU ARE NOW, . HE, HE BRINGS US SOME NUMBERS. HE MADE SOME NUMBERS CAPABLE ANALYZING THOSE NUMBERS ON THE COUNTY LEVEL. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND AT SOME POINT, AGAIN, IF YOU, YOU HAVE, IT [00:45:01] KIND OF COOKS BACK DOWN, UH, TO WHAT, WHAT'S THE RISK OF THE COUNTY? IF THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT ACCURATE AND THESE NUMBERS ARE EXAGGERATED, THEN IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN, THEN THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S NOT. SO WHAT, YEAH, SO WHAT EXPENSE? BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE PEOPLE LIKE MR. KLEIN ARE LIVING, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT NOTHING. THEY'VE GOT NOTHING EXCEPT THEIR INTEGRITY AND REPUTATION. AND IF THEY BLOW UP A COUPLE OF THESE TESTS WITH BAD NUMBERS, THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF BUSINESS. I KNOW WHO HE'S WORKING WITH. GEORGE SCHROER. I FIRST MET, UH, MAYOR RICHARDS IN 1975, AND FROM 75 THROUGH PROBABLY A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE'VE HAD SOME INTERESTING POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, AND, AND ALL KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS. BUT, UH, UH, I, I'M, I'LL HAVE TO AGREE IF ALLISON SAYS HE'S RESEARCHING THIS IS GOOD, BUT IT'S HARD TO GO AGAINST IT. THANK YOU, JUDGE. HE'S ALSO A COUNTY, UH, RESIDENT HAS BEEN ALL HIS LIFE EXCEPT FOR THAT TIME SPENT DOWN IN COLLEGE STATION . WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL, JUDGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GONNA BRING THAT . WELL, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING. I WAS TRYING TO HIT YOU OFF. HE WAS ROOT FOR, HE AND I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST, LET GIVE YOU JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT, AS MAYOR MENTIONED, WE'RE WORKING ON ONE IN THE CITY OF MANSFIELD. THE, THE AREA OF THE TIP IS FAIRLY CLOSE IN SIZE TO THE AREA OF THE TAR TIP. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN MANSFIELD BECAUSE WE'RE IN ONE CARE. SO WE BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE HERE. AND, AND, UH, WE DID A, A TIFF IN BELTON IN, UH, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, I GUESS. AND, AND I GOT A TOTALLY UNSOLICITED EMAIL FROM THE CITY MANAGER OF BELTON THE OTHER DAY. AND HE WAS, HE WAS THANKING US FOR HELPING THE CITY OF BELTON GET, GET THE HOME RUN THAT THE TIFF HAS BEEN. AND HE SAID THAT, UH, THAT THE VALUES ARE AHEAD OF THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE MADE IN THE CITY OF BELTON. IF, IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW, UM, GEORGE SCHRADER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ANYBODY WITH ANY MORE INTEGRITY THAN THAN GEORGE SCHROER. AND, AND AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR FIRM, UH, GOES ALONG WITH THESE TIPS WE CREATED. AND, AND WE'VE DONE AN NUMBER AROUND THEM, AROUND THE STATE. AND, AND THEY, THEY'VE ALL PRODUCED, I BELIEVE, UH, AS WELL AS, OR BETTER. MR. I, UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, ARE THERE MORE QUESTIONS? MR. CLY, YOU MENTIONED ONE IN MANSFIELD. IS THERE, IS THERE MORE THAN ONE TIP IN MANSFIELD? NO, SIR. OH, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, UH, DISCUSSION WITH, UH, ROGER ARM JOHNSON. IS THAT, THAT'S JOHNSON COUNTY, CORRECT? NO, WELL, IT'S IN THREE COUNTIES ACTUALLY. IT'S IN, WELL, WHY DOES JOHNSON COUNTY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? ONE OF MANFIELD, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE? YEAH, THEY, THEY HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES. THEY HAVE, UH, DETERMINED THAT, UM, UH, THE TIFFS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SUPPORTED OTHERS IN THE PAST, THAT, THAT UNLESS THE AREA WAS DISTRESSED, THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT THE TIFF. AND, AND THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL IN, IN THAT TIP. AND, AND THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE IN, IN SUPPORTING A TIP THAT HAS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. SO IT WASN'T THE TIFF ITSELF, IT WAS JUST WHERE IT WAS LOCATED. WHAT IT WAS WAS ACTUALLY WAS THAT A MUNICIPAL TIP OR DEVELOPER TIP WAS A MUNICIPAL, MUNICIPAL, MUNICIPAL. DARREN ELLI HAVE SUPPORTED IT, BUT JOHNSON COUNTY HAS CHOSEN NOT TO, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THAT THAT'S FINE. BUT, UH, THAT WAS THERE WOULD, DO YOU, WOULD WE IN THE FUTURE PROBABLY HAVE SOME TIPS THAT COME IN THAT WILL JUST BE DEVELOPMENT TIPS BY, BY DEVELOPERS? GOOD. UH, HAVE YOU DONE, WE, OKAY, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. LET'S HEAR FROM, UH, MAYOR GROOM FROM GUYS, I'LL JUST KIND OF, OH, OKAY. WE'LL JUST STAND AROUND HERE. GET BEHIND HERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT ME, UH, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER DARL GRS AIRBORN HAW AWARE, I, UH, WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT'S BROUGHT UP. I, I DID NOT REALIZE THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY HAS A PERCENTAGE IN THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF Y'ALL IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY OF FORNEY WOULD ACTUALLY GO IN AND WE'RE OFFERING TO FUND A STUDY TO SET SOME GUIDELINES FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND LEMME TELL YOU WHY, UH, FORNEY AS WELL AS, UH, UH, CAROL AND ALSO KAUFMAN, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COUNTY'S GROWING. ALL THREE CITIES SPENT MONEY [00:50:01] TO GO IN MAY TO ICSE, WHICH INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF SHOPPING CENTERS OUT IN LAS VEGAS. ALL THREE CITIES WERE JUST IN SAN ANTONIO FOR THE LOCAL, UM, AGAIN, INTERNATIONAL SHOP SHOPPING CENTERS. AND WE ALL THREE BUYING FROM THE SAME THREE CITIES, KAUFMAN, FORNEY, AND TARA. SO ALL THREE COUNTY, ALL THREE OF THE BIG CITIES, LARGER CITIES HERE IN IN THE COUNTY HAVE GONE. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDELINES, I WILL TELL YOU NEXT WEEK WE'RE MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT A TIP. HOWEVER, IF, IF, FOR INSTANCE, THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU PASSED TODAY, IF IT SAYS 50% AND GUIDELINES GET WRITTEN AND GUIDELINES ARE 40% WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH OUR DEVELOPERS AND WE'RE AT A LOSS, UH, UH, LEE AYS OVER AT KAUFMAN, HE'S QUOTED KAUFMAN COUNTY ONLINE FOR LAST YEAR. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON A TIP, LOOKING AT AND DOING A TIP. SO LEE'S AT A LOSS, AGAIN, I, I APPLAUD, I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TIP WHATSOEVER. CORNY IS, IS VERY, UH, PRO-GROWTH AS YOU'RE AWARE OF. THE CONCERNS ARE WITHOUT SOMETHING DEFINITELY WRITTEN ON PERCENTAGES AND VALUES AND TIMES AND WHAT YOU WILL AND WILL NOT DO. UM, NO OFFENSE TO MY, MY NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, BUT IT HURTS US. AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHY. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHENEVER WE GO OUT AND WE GO TO THESE DEVELOPERS OR TO THESE SHOPPING CENTERS AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO FORNEY, FIRST THING THEY ASK FOR IS YOUR NUMBER, YOUR 1, 3, 5, 8, AND 10 MILE RADIUSS. UH, SO WHEN YOU, WHENEVER YOU GO FROM TERRELL AND YOU DO THE, THE EIGHT AND 10 MILE, THAT'S WHO'S IN THERE, NY IS. SO WE HELP THEIR NUMBERS AND IF WE'RE A 38% OF THE VALUE OF THE COUNTY AND WE'RE HELPING THEIR NUMBERS ALSO, AND YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO PASS A RESOLUTION WHICH TURNS AROUND AND, AND SAYS, YES, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS PERCENTAGE. AND THEN A, A, UM, ACTUAL GUIDELINE IS ADOPTED IN THE FUTURE AND THAT PERCENTAGE IS NOT IN THERE. YOU'VE CUT MY LEGS OUT FROM UNDER YOU BECAUSE AS Y'ALL AWARE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A BRUTAL BUSINESS. WE ALL WANT SALES TAX DOLLARS. WE ALL TALK ABOUT SALES TAX, SALES TAX, SALES TAX. UH, WE HAVE BEEN VERY BLESSED, YOU KNOW, PONY'S GROWN BY 500 SOME ODD MILLION BUCKS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, GUYS, THAT IS GREAT. UM, AND A LOT OF THAT IS 'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE, WE'VE GOT SOME PROFESSIONALS IN PLACE, AS DOES CAROL AND KAUFMAN, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, CAROL CAROL'S DONE A GREAT JOB ON, ON A LOT OF, UH, COMMERCIAL. THIS IS A LOT OF RETAIL THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLICIT, WHICH IS GREAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OURS TOO. THE GUY THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH, UH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT'S SOME FOLLOW UP MEETINGS. IT'S NOT THE INITIAL MEETING NEXT WEEK. UM, IT'S A VERY BIG PLAYER AS IS THEIR GROUP, A VERY BIG PLAYER. SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, ONE THING THAT WE, I HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THE YEARS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE TOO, THAT GO TO THOSE MEETINGS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, AFTER WE ALL LEAVE ALL THOSE DEVELOPERS, THEY GO DRINKS AND THEY KNOW WHO'S PAYING WHAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT GOLDMAN SACHS ON THURSDAY AT THEIR RECEPTION, YOU COULD SEE EVERYBODY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MUNICIPAL AND THE DEVELOPERS WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM, BUT WE'RE NOT INTERMINGLING BECAUSE THESE GUYS OVER HERE, THEY'RE WORKING THEIR DEALS AND SAYING, WHAT ARE THESE GUYS HERE DOING? SO AGAIN, WE, WE DO SUPPORT THE IDEAL OF A TIFF. UM, AND THE CONCERN THAT WE DO HAVE AS A CITY, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M SPEAK FOR LEE, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT, UH, I'M ASSUMING KAUFMAN KIM MAY MAKE, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME CONCERN, GUYS. WE NEED SOME CLEAR GUIDELINES. AND FORNEY WILL BE HAPPY IF THE, IF THE COUNTY CAN'T FUND THAT, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO FUND IT AND DO, HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME IN ACROSS THE STATE, SAY, HERE'S YOUR, HERE'S YOUR TS ACROSS THE STATE, HERE'S YOUR AVERAGES. AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE A GALVESTON COUNTY NOW, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THAT GALVESTON COUNTY THAT I REALLY LIKE AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF IN THERE ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY WILL AND WILL NOT PAY FOR. UH, ONE OF YOU ASKED ABOUT, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE LENGTH? WHAT ABOUT THE SIZE SAYS IN THE COUNTY IT CANNOT CHANGE WITHOUT COMMISSIONER'S APPROVAL OR COUNTY APPROVAL. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T MEAN IT BAD TOWARDS YOU GUYS AT ALL, BUT WE NEED SOME GUIDELINES 'CAUSE WE ARE IN THE SAME BATTLE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE IN SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE. IF WE, IF WE DROP THE BALL HERE AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET, UM, THE SAME STUFF WITH SOME GUIDELINES, THE EXACT SAME AMENITIES, WE'RE GONNA BE IN TROUBLE. UM, 'CAUSE AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, IF, IF YOU GOT A, IF YOU HAVE A DILLARDS AT TOWN EAST AND YOU GOT DILLARDS AND TARRELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ONE IN POINT. IF YOU GOT DILLARDS IN POINT, YOU GOT ONE IN MESQUITE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ONE IN TERRELL. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TALKS ABOUT THE NATIONAL RETAILERS GOING GO, YOU GUYS, THEY GOT, THEY HAVE BOUNDARIES. THEY GO BY, THEY HAVE GENERALLY ZIP CODES OR MILE ES. AND IF WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME FIELD WITHOUT SOME VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, UM, IT, IT HURTS EVERYONE. AND AGAIN, NOT ONLY THE THREE OF US, LARGER COUNTIES, LARGER CITIES IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'LL HURT THE SMALLER GUYS TOO. YOU KNOW, CEDAR CREEK IS REVAMPING IF YOU, MY BROTHER JUST SOLD SOME PROPERTY, CEDAR CREEK AND I SAID, HOW MUCH YOU GET FOR IT? AND HE TOLD ME, AND I I ASKED HIM TO TELL ME AGAIN 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE PROPERTY VALUES [00:55:01] IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE JUST SKYROCKETED. 'CAUSE LEMME TELL YOU, THE GROWTH IS GOING DOWN THERE TOO. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE NEW LOWS AND THE STUFF DOWN THAT WAY GUYS. AND IT, IT, ONCE, ONCE THAT CAN IS OPEN AND THE FIRST TIP IS THROWN DOWN ALL OF US OTHER CITIES. AND AGAIN, I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE MEETING AGAIN NEXT WEEK WITH SOME FOLLOW UP MEETINGS WE'RE BRINGING. UH, SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO DO, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GET IN YOUR BUSINESS, BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO OUR MEETINGS IS, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AS WELL AS OUR BOND ATTORNEYS AND OUR BOND TRAILERS. UH, WE'RE BRINGING, UH, FIRST SOUTHWEST AND UM, GOT OUR BOND ATTORNEYS, BUT WE'RE BRINGING ALL THEM TO THE TABLES TOO, TO LOOK AT THE DISTRICTS AND LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT OUR PAPERWORK BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO RICK HARRISON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, WE DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY. THEY, THEY DO IT EVERY DAY. FULBRIGHT VARSITY, THAT'S OUR BOND ATTORNEYS. WE'RE BRINGING FULBRIGHT KY INTO OUR NEGOTIATIONS TO PROTECT US. 'CAUSE IT IS A BIG CONCERN. AND LIKE I SAID, I DID NOT REALIZE I WAS COMING TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME GUIDELINES BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING. I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE IN THAT RESOLUTION. IF THERE'S A PERCENTAGE IN THAT RESOLUTION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE ONCE THAT PERCENTAGE IS IS OUT THERE, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY WAY. IF WE LEAVE THAT PERCENTAGE OUT OF THE RESOLUTION, THEN WILL THAT BE NEGOTIABLE WITH EACH CITY? WELL, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE, AND MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU HAVE A GUIDELINE AND SO US WE CITIES, YOU KNOW, LEADING THOSE AND, AND DANNY WILL KNOW IN TEAR, OKAY, THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO GIMME 38% FOR 20 YEARS AND THAT'S THE MAX THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US. SO WE DON'T, WE CAN GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY START WITH OTHERWISE THE WORKSHOP THAT WE, EVERYBODY'S GONNA WIND UP HAVING, WE'RE WORKSHOPPING AT THE GAP, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THEY GOT 38, WE WANT 42. SO WE WE'RE GONNA ARGUE ABOUT THAT Y'ALL BEEN IN WORKSHOPS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BREAK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LUNCH, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA MEET AT 40. BUT WE JUST WASTED FOUR HOURS TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING OUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN A CONTRACT. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS GOING INTO IT. OKAY. MAYOR IS THE MAIN CONCERN THEN THAT, THAT THE COUNTY MAY DO SOMETHING FOR MATERIAL AND NOT DO THE SAME THING FOR THE OTHER CITIES? YES. AND AND THE REASON WHY THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE THERE, YOU GUYS, Y'ALL KNOW THIS 'CAUSE Y'ALL HAVE CHILDREN. IF YOU DO SOMETHING FOR ONE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IF, IF, IF YOU LET YOUR OLDEST KIDS STAY OUT UNTIL MIDNIGHT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA LET THE OTHER KIDS, WHEN THEY GET A LITTLE GROW OLDER, THEY STAY OUT TILL 11 O'CLOCK. AND THAT'S THE RULE. WELL THEY ALWAYS SAY, WELL YOU LET LITTLE JIM STAY OUT TILL MIDNIGHT. YOU'RE ALWAYS BEING COMPARED TO THE FIRST ONE. SO IF THE RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER'S PREPARED WITHOUT GUIDELINES IN PLACE, IT'S ALWAYS GOING BE PREPARED. AND WE WILL DO, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, YOU GUYS WE'RE GONNA DO DO EXACT SAME THING. IF WHATEVER YOU GIVE THEM, WE'RE GONNA WALK. AND IF, IF NOT, IT WILL GET, UM, CANTANKEROUS TESTY, THAT'S A VERY GOOD WORD. Y'ALL KNOW I CAN BE TESTY. I NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ANY OTHER WAY IF WE AGREED TO 50% ON THIS ONE, 50%. AND I DON'T ARGUE THAT POINT. BUT THE, THE CONCERN IS ARE, ARE WE SURE 50% IS THE NUMBER MAYBE 60, MAYBE 40, WITHOUT SOME REAL STUDIES DONE? OTHER THAN TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE JEFFERSON COUNTY IS THE ONLY ONE YOU HAVE WITHOUT SOME THINGS GOING ACROSS AND SAY HERE'S THE AVERAGE LENGTH AND HERE'S THE AVERAGE PERCENTAGES. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA SHORT CHANGE EITHER BECAUSE AGAIN, 38% OF THAT MONEY IS, IS COMES FROM REVENUE FROM THE LOSS FROM THE CITY OF CORN. YEAH. WELL YOU THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE GOING IN RATHER THAN THE UH, UH, WORK WITH IT ON EACH CITY AS IT AS IT COMES UP. WELL, LEMME TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF LET'S SAY MR. BROWN, THAT WE GO TO THE GUYS THAT ARE NEGOTIATING WITH, OKAY? AND UM, THEY SAY, WELL LISTEN, CAROL'S CAROL GOT 50% DOWN THERE ON THEIR, ON THEIR TIP. OKAY, WE WANT 50 OR BETTER TO COME. SO WELL WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT. SO THEN WE GO TO, I CAN'T FILL OUT NAMES 'CAUSE I KNOW ALL THE NAMES , WE GO TO COMPANY A, WELL CAROL GOT COMPANY B 50%, I'VE GOTTA HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 TO COME OR I'M GONNA GO DOWN THERE. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE 4,300 ACRES IN THEIR TIP. SO YOU SEE, I MEAN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S, IF YOU BUY A CAR NOWADAYS, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU GO ON THE INTERNET AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN BUY FOR. AND THEN YOU GO TO THE SALESMAN AND YOU SAY, HERE'S THE MOST I'M GOING TO PAY. AND YOU START NEGOTIATING HIM DOWN FROM ME. CAN I PROBATE SOMETHING REAL QUICK? THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A A, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THAT ARGUMENT THAT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE. AND THAT IS THAT THE DEVELOPER ISN'T GETTING THE 50%, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT GETTING THE DI THAT 50% IS GOING INTO THE TIF FUND. I MEAN, THE DEVELOPER ISN'T GONNA GIVE ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT THE TIF BOARD GETS US. AND THE, AND THE, AND AND MR. EDWARDS WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT I'M SORRY TORI, LEMME GO. BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE, UM, THE ONLY CO COMPLEX THING HERE IS THE AGREEMENT. THE RESOLUTION AND, AND THE 50% THING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS TIF CODE. UH, [01:00:01] THE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S NEEDED RIGHT NOW IS THE RESOLUTION, BUT THE COUNTY CAN EVEN CAP HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GONNA PUT INTO THE TIF IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT. SO YOU CAN GET 50% UP TO $500 AND THEN YOU COULD CAP IT AT $500 AND NOT PUT ANY MORE MONEY INTO THAT. BUT THE DEVELOPER, I MEAN THE, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER OR THE RETAILER DOES NOT GET ANY, THEY DON'T GET THAT 50%. IN FACT, LOOK, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY TORY? I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. YEAH. THIS, THIS IS COMPLEX WITH ANALYZING A LOT OF THE NATIVE MAYOR GROOMS IS, IS, IS VERY CORRECT. A LOT OF THE STUDY HAS TO BE DONE. WELL, CITY OF TARRELL STARTED STUDYING THIS EARLY PART OF 2006. AND SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF LEG WORK TO ANALYZE THIS DATA. INTERESTING POINT HERE IS THAT THE CITY OF TERRELL IS OBLIGATING 75%, THE 50% THAT WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HOW WE'RE DEFINING CONSERVATIVE. THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE, LOW STARTING POINT. NOW OTHER CITIES MAY COME TO YOU ASKING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT AGAIN, PART OF THE POLICY OF HOW THE COUNTY MANAGES THIS INTERNALLY, THAT POLICY SHOULD SPECIFY CERTAIN LEVELS BASED ON WHAT THE CITY IS PARTICIPATING IN. IN THE CITY OF TERRELL'S CASE IS 75% AS WELL AS THE LONG LIST OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S REQUIRED. AND THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS BASICALLY 158 MILLION FORNEY MAY BE DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE EACH CITY WILL COME TO YOU WITH A DIFFERENT LAUNDRY LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT, THAT NUMBER WILL BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. IN TERMS OF OUR ESTIMATES, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT, UH, THE TYPICAL CASH ITSELF OUT AT 26 YEARS, YOU CAN'T COMPARE RTF IN TERMS OF OUR LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS TO OTHER CITIES. THAT'S WHERE IT GETS REAL TECHNICAL AND GETS DIFFICULT WHEN ANALYZING SOME OF THESE NUMBERS. BUT OUR DEFINITION OF CONSERVATIVE IS BASED ON COMING TO YOU AND, AND ASKING TO PARTNER TOGETHER AT THE 50% LEVEL. AND AGAIN, TERRELL IS, IS OBLIGATION THAT 75% LEVEL. SO SOMETIMES THESE NUMBERS CAN GET VERY, VERY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU YOU FRAME IT CAN GET VERY, VERY, UH, UH, TRICKY SOMETIMES. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THE INTEGRITY OF NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TERRELL AND THE MAYOR, BUT ALSO MR. KLEIN, OUR ESTIMATES ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. DO YOU AGREE THAT WITH MR. UH, MAYOR JONES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A, A AGREE ON A NUMBER BEFORE GOING INTO ANY OF THIS RATHER THAN DOING IT ON, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS IS, UH, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MEET SOME PROCEDURAL DEADLINES WITH THE PROCESS. BY NOVEMBER 5TH WE STUDIED, WE'VE DEVELOPED OUR CAPITAL LIST OF PROJECTS. AND IF WITH WORKSHOP IN THAT NUMBER FIRST, IT, IT WILL IMPACT OUR PROCESS. BUT THE, THE RESOLUTION, THE 50% OF THE RESOLUTION, OUR POSITION IS, IS THAT THAT RESOLUTION JUST IS A STEP TO GET US THERE. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP STEP, BUT IN TERMS OF, OF, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME AT A FUTURE DATE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE OTHER, WITH ALL THE MAYORS TO, TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S EQUITABLE BECAUSE THE CITIES WILL HAVE TO PONY UP SOMETHING AS WELL. AGAIN, OURS IS 75%. Y'ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT DYNAMIC OF WHAT THE CITIES NEED TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE WITH THEIR OBLIGATION AS WELL. SO I THINK WITH TODAY'S PURPOSE, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, OUTTA RESPECT FOR THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, OUR REQUEST IS, IS, IS A LOW POINT. IT'S VERY LOW POINT IN TERMS OF THAT 50% LEVEL. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, COUNTY, AND CITY. THAT RESOLUTION, UH, IS, IS JUST A STEP WITH HELPING US GET THERE. I, UH, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO TACK THEIR PROGRAM, BUT HE BROUGHT UP SOME NUMBERS THAT I'LL ADDRESS. UH, I HAVE NOT RUN THESE NUMBERS, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS THAT 20 REPRESENTS 38% OF THE VALUE OF THE COUNTY. SO IN THEIR TIP, THEY GOT $20,250,000 IN LANDSCAPE. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY OFFERED THAT THEY HAVE ASKED YOU GUYS TO GIVE UP SOMEWHERE AROUND THE $50 MILLION RANGE. IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT NUMBER. ANYBODY KNOW ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE UP? OKAY. SO [01:05:01] JUST, JUST REMEMBER 38% OF THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, 38% OF $20 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL MY VOTERS, OKAY GUYS, YES, WE JUST PLANTED $7 MILLION FOR THE FLYING, UH, FLOWERS AND SIGNS IN THE CITY OF CARROLL OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO GIVE UP. SO, WELL, I THINK THE FIGURE THAT CAME UP ON WAS 42 MILLION. 50% SO INTO THE GENERAL FUND JUDGE. YEAH. PLUS THE 42 MILLION GOING INTO THE TIER. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TIFF, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE. UH, WHAT THAT'S GONNA HELP, IT'S GOING TO HELP TDOT WHENEVER WE DO THE BRIDGE OVER 34 OVER HIGHWAY EIGHT, IT'S GOING TO HELP US. WE CAN EITHER DRESS UP THAT BRIDGE, WE CAN ALSO GO TO HIGHWAY 34 TO BRIDGE AND ADDRESS IT UP WHEN YOU COME TO US TO DO THINGS FOR CORNING, WHICH, UH, YOU NEED TO DRESS UP SOME THINGS OVER THERE, THE BRIDGE AROUND 5 48 AND ALL THAT. THIS IS MONEY THAT WILL HELP YOU DRESS THAT UP, MAKE IT LOOK GOOD, JUST LIKE THEY'VE DONE DOWN HERE, 34 AND 1 75. THIS IS ITEMS THAT THIS BRINGS FOR THE CITY TO CLEAN UP AND MAKE IT LOOK A LOT BETTER, SIR. AND I'M NOT SO IT, IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE IT, THAT'S FINE. I, NO, I DON'T MEAN I DON'T TO BE COMBATIVE, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE GIVEN A, A, A, A MUD, A MILLION DOLLARS FOR LANDSCAPE AND SCIENCE, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOMEBODY THAT ALREADY HAS A TAX AUTHORITY. YES. THIS HELPS TEXTILE. THIS SEEMS TO HELP. AGAIN, I I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO. WE DO LET, LEMME I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. UH, I'D ASK YOU TO TABLE IT AND, AND UNTIL THERE'S SOME DEFINITE GUIDELINES IN PLACE BECAUSE IT IS, UH, IT CERTAINLY TIES IN THE HANDS OF, OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NEGOTIATING RIGHT NOW. UM, 'CAUSE AS MR. DUBLIN SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S GOING TO, UH, ONCE YOU OPEN THE FLOOD GATES, IT'S GONNA COME. THE OTHER THING IS, I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES TO THE ROLLBACK. UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PASS IT BEFORE JANUARY THE FIRST, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THAT COST? THE OTHER THING, WHAT IF THIS, CAN THE CITY PASS IT OUT THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, IS IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE COUNTY PRESENTATION OR THE, THE, THE COUNTY LEVEL BEING READY? BUT WE ARE WILLING FOR THE CITY OF NEY AND OUR EDC ARE WILLING TO FUND THE STUDY IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY START WORKING, SHOPPING IT SO YOU HAVE A BASELINE TO GO FROM AND THEN NEGOTIATE THE PIECES OUT FROM THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET MR. CLARK KNOW. WE CAN LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UH, GET IN THERE IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. UM, AGAIN, MY, MY MY PLEA TO YOU TODAY IS, IS TO TABLE IT, UH, UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME MORE GUIDELINES. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT MY TIED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS GETS THE, THE NEWSPAPERS WE'VE SITTING DOWN NEXT TO YOU FOR NEGOTIATION, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL BE RIGHT HERE WITH THE EXACT SAME THING. 'CAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY BE HERE BEFORE YOU GET YOUR GUIDELINES FIRST. SO I ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION, MR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? PROBABLY A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COUNTER PARTICIPATION IN, IS THE COUNTY PARTICIPATION NECESSARY TO HAVE Y'ALL GET THIS IN BY JANUARY ONE? IT BE NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS PROJECT FEASIBLE, BUT IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE THIS, UH, IN PLACE BEFORE OUR ONLY, OUR ONLY OTHER OPTION WILL BE TO START OVER. WHY WOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IS PREDICATED ON THIS THING STARTING THIS YEAR. AND, UH, WHAT, UH, AND AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S A, UH, A COUPLE POINTS THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING, THE COUNTY IS NOT SPENDING ANY, THIS TIP IS GENERATING AN ADDITIONAL $84 MILLION IN REVENUE, $42 MILLION OF WHICH IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND. SO, AND THE OTHER THING IS THIS 50%, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT 50% IS THAT WHAT PERCENT SHOULD YOU BE AT? THAT MONEY IS NOT GOING, THAT MONEY IS GOING INTO THE TIF FUND. THE TIF BOARD WILL DECIDE HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO THE DEVELOPER OR A RETAILER. IT'S NOT GOING, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A MISCHARACTERIZATION OR MISUNDERSTANDING THAT MONEY, AT LEAST THE WAY OUR TIP IS STRUCTURED, THAT MONEY IS GOING INTO THE TIP BOARD. THE TIP BOARD WILL DECIDE HOW IT'S EXPENDED. BUT THE TIP BOARD COULD, LIKE EDC, COULD DO SOMETHING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR FOR A BUSINESS THAT BRINGS IN TAX REVENUE, THAT BRINGS IN SALES REVENUE. OH, IF IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. ONLY IF IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS, IS TO UTILIZE PUBLIC FUNDS, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO STIMULATE PRIVATE INVESTMENT. SO WHAT WHAT THIS TIFF DOES REALLY IS, IS CAPTURE A PORTION OF OF REAL PROPERTY TAX THAT ABSENT THE TIF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE. SO THIS IS REALLY TO STIMULATE SOMETHING TO COME THAT MIGHT NOT COME WITHOUT THE TIF. [01:10:01] YEAH. RIGHT. NOW WE'VE GOT UP EXCEPT RURALLY, YOU KNOW, SMALL AMOUNT THE PLANTING IF, UH, BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE, SAY THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNTY PARTICIPATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNTY PARTICIPATION TO , BUT YOU NEED IT TO MAKE IT ECONOMICAL. REVIVAL. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, AND EVERY COUNTY CAN, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND SET UP THE TIP AND THEN THE COUNTY CAN COME IN AT A LATER DATE. WHAT, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME? SHOULD DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME? SHOULD DO IT OR HAVE TO. WELL, IN ORDER TO, TO COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, WHICH, WHICH ANALYZES THE INCOME THAT THE TIP IS GOING HAVE VERSUS THE MONEY THAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO EXPEND, THEN, THEN THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETED AT THE TIME THAT THE CITY PASSES ORDINANCE CREATED. AND SO WE NEED TO, TO KNOW WHAT SORT OF PARTICIPATION THE COUNTY IS GONNA HAVE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. THESE OTHER TIPS THAT YOU'VE DONE, SCOTT, UH, WAS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, PERCENTAGE AMOUNT GOING IN WITH ANY OF THESE? DID THAT ANY OF THE OTHER LOCAL CITIES HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? WHETHER THAT NO. AND, AND, AND REALLY, SEVEN OR NOT, UH, A GREAT NUMBER OF THOSE COUNTIES PARTICIPATING IN A HUNDRED PERCENT. THE WAY THE ITEM IS ZONED THE AGENDA DISCUSSED IN CEDAR PASSING RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE TAX MENT FINANCING DISTRICT FOR THE CITY OF . UH, I DON'T THINK IT, IT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SET THE PERCENTAGE IN THIS RESOLUTION. YOU DON'T THINK WHY JUDGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SET THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT, THIS RESOLUTION CASE, THE WAY IT'S ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. IF, JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY MM-HMM . UH, JUDGE, THE WAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY POSTED ON THE AGENDA IS ACCURATE. IF THE COURT APPROVES THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THAT RESOLUTION REFERENCES THAT PERCENTAGE POINT, AND BY THE WAY THAT IS CURRENTLY POSTED, PASSAGE OF THE RESOLUTION WILL APPROVE THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT IN THE RESOLUTION. YES, SIR. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE CARVE OUT A SEPARATE ACTION ITEM TO APPROVE THAT 50% LEVEL. IF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CONSIDERS THAT RESOLUTION, PASSAGE OF THE RESOLUTION WILL AUTOMATICALLY APPROVE THAT 50% LEVEL. SORRY, I DON'T WANT, BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU . WELL, I, I, THERE'S EVERYTHING I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TIP, IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD THING. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR ANY OF, ANY OF THE CITIES AND I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD PARTICIPATE, BUT IT'S A LOT OF YEARS AND A LOT OF DOLLARS. I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT, LIKE, I THINK THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT THE BOND ATTORNEY, AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH MAYOR RICHARD SAYS WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED, I I WANT TO SEE IT IN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT UP. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. IF I'M GOING PUT THE COUNTY IN LIABILITY, I I WANT TO BE CERTAIN THAT, BUT COMMISSIONER THE COUNTY'S NAME IS NOT ON THAT BOND. I DON'T SEE HOW IN THE WORLD THE COUNTY CAN BE RELIABLE. YEAH, I AGREE. I AGREE. I, I JUST, THE LENGTH OF TIME AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE WORD WORKSHOP BECAUSE IT DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE, BUT WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP JUDGE PROBABLY BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK. AND NOTICE WE CAN HAVE IT IS WHAT I, I'M ALL FOR IT. I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE I RAISE MY HAND. UH, THERE'S, UH, OUR, OUR BOND ATTORNEY IS, UH, ON STANDBY IN CASE WE NEED THEM COME UP HERE AND VISIT WITH US BACK. I THINK, UH, THERE WAS, ANYWAY, I KNOW YOU, WHEN WE HAD, UH, I THINK THE LAST, UH, WATER PATROL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CAME BEFORE SAYS A GENTLEMAN BEFORE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THAT THE COUNTY COULD BE LIBEL LIABLE FOR SOME BONDS OR ISSUED THAT AND HE DECIDED ARLINGTON SPORTS AUTHORITY, BUT IT LOST LIKE SEVEN, ABOUT $17 LAWSUIT OVER THERE THAT, UH, THE CITY GOT ANYTHING. UH, WE, I'VE SENT THAT OFF TO, UH, TIM GREEN TO ANALYZE IT FOR ME AND RICK HARRISON AND MYSELF. HE'S GOT IT UP. I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO SET THE MEETING. I THINK IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT HE SAID WAS DON'T DON'T THINK SO, [01:15:01] BUT I WAS GONNA LET RICK LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHETHER THERE IS ANY LIABILITY GONE DOWN TO THESE BOND ISSUES. THERE POSSIBLY BE A LIABILITY IF YOUR NAME IS ON A BOND. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING HOW WE'RE LIABLE FOR ANYBODY ISSUE A BOND THAT WE'RE DON'T EVEN HAVE A NAME ON IT OR ANYTHING. WELL, YOU'RE NOT LIABLE FOR THIS. THE BONDS THAT THE CITY ISSUES TODAY. YEAH. AND THIS IS BE A CITY ISSUED BOND. AND SO IF YOU'D BE NO MORE LIABLE UNDER THIS BOND, THEN YOU WOULD BE UNDER THE BOND WHEN THE CITY ISSUES A BOND FOR WATER IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT'S DIFFERENT IN THAT ONE AT CITY OF ARLINGTON WAS YEAH, I READ THAT THAT WAS KENMORE STADIUM BECAUSE THOSE WERE ACTUALLY ISSUED BY THE CITY ARLINGTON, THAT STATEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY THEY CAME IN. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THEIR LIABILITY CAME IN BEFORE IT, THERE WAS AN ISSUE IN KIRK COUNTY, THAT'S WHERE RON PATTERSON AND BRIAN BROOKS CAME FROM. AND UM, KIRK COUNTY HAS DONE A JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER SAT ON THAT BOARD. WELL, THAT JUVENILE, WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO IS THEY COULD CASH FLOW THAT WITH A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, LIKE IT DID WITH THE JAIL, YOU CAN CHARGE PEOPLE. WELL, BY THE TIME THEY GOT IT BUILT, THEY NEEDED 80 BUCKS A, A KID TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT THEN THE STATE TURNED AROUND AND SAID, YOU CAN ONLY CHARGE SO MUCH A KID. AND THAT WIND UP GOING DOWN THE TUBES, THE COMMISSIONER SET ON THAT BOARD. THE COUNTY WAS NOT OBLIGATED. HOWEVER, THE BOND TRADERS SAID, HEY, THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN KER COUNTY. THESE GUYS SET ON THAT AND IT AFFECTED SOME OF THE BOND RATINGS. SO AGAIN, IT THAT MIGHT BE THAT MORAL, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A TIP. SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD, I'M SAYING IT'S EDUCATION TO MAKE ALL WRITTEN CORRECTLY. AND THERE'S PROBABLY IS SINCE TRADE AND WE'RE A GOOD COMPANY. BUT I I, UNTIL WE HAVE SOME GUIDELINES, I'D TRULY LIKE TO SEE SOME GUIDELINES. WELL, OKAY, MAYOR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GUIDELINES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UNIVERSAL. SO YOU SURE YOU'RE SAYING MAKE SURE THAT IF WE PUT A PERCENTAGE IN THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW ALL THE TIPS TO HAVE THAT SAME PERCENTAGE. YES. AND THAT'S YOUR MAIN CONCERN IST AS WELL AS YEARS. AND AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WILL IT, WILL YOU GUYS PAY FOR, UH, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR? MAN, I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BUILD $49 MILLION WORTH OF TROOPS IN POINT FOR, OR A PORTION OF THAT IF YOU WANT TO. BUT WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO, ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR, UH, WHAT ARE Y'ALL WILLING TO LET US, US AND THEM AND KAUFMAN, EVERYBODY USE YOUR PORTION OF THAT TIP DOLLARS FOR, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I, I, I WOULD CAUTION THE COURT FOR BEING, FOR, FOR GETTING PIGEONHOLED INTO ESTABLISHING A POLICY AT ITS VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER OF, OF 50%. BECAUSE OTHERS MAY COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR AS HIGH AS A HUNDRED PERCENT. BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO COMPARE CITY TO CITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AT THE 50% LEVEL. I CANNOT SEE HOW ESTABLISHING THAT 50% LEVEL THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE RESOLUTION WILL IMPACT HIS NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FURTHER IN THE PROCESS THAN WE ARE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS, AND WE'RE STANDING ON THE STUDIES AND THE FEASIBILITY THAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, AND WE HAVE THE PROCESS WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU AREAS THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS IN. ONE IS, I TOLD YOU UP FRONT, ESTABLISHING THE POLICY OF HOW TO MANAGE IT INTERNALLY AS A COUNTY WILL PIGEONHOLE A SPECIFIC NUMBER. UH, IT, IT BASICALLY PIGEONHOLE IT, UH, THE COUNTY AND OTHER CITIES THAT MAY COME TO YOU BECAUSE THEIR ANALYSIS MAY FLESH OUT ASKING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT HERE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S IT. IT'S A, IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR REVIEW. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS, AS A CITY AND WE'RE, WE THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD PRODUCT AND THE TIFF TO BRING TO THE WHOLE COUNTY TO STIMULATE INVESTMENT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND THAT'LL GROW THE COUNTIES. UH, DEFINITELY YOUR, YOUR TAX BASE. SO WITH THAT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THE CITY OF FOUR IS IN THEIR TIP PROCESS. YOU MAY WANT TO ASK, ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE STANDING ON WITH FIRM DATA. THANK YOU. STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED MR. MAYOR, ABOUT WHY WE SHOULD HAVE TO SET A NUMBER TO BEGIN WITH. WHY WOULD WE NOT LEAVE THAT OPEN AND NEGOTIATE WITH TER OR NEGOTIATE WITH FOREIGN AIR NEGOTIATE WITH KAUFMAN AT THAT TIME? ARE WE, IF WE SET A NUMBER, ARE WE NOT LIMITED TO THAT? OR IF YOU SET A NUMBER AND IF YOU DON'T SET A NUMBER, FOR INSTANCE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ONLY NEED, UH, WE NEED A LOT [01:20:01] LESS MONEY THAN WHAT THEY NEED. LEMME REPHRASE THAT. SO WE MAY NOT COME TO YOU FOR A TIP OR WE MAY COME TO YOU FOR 10% OR 15 OR 20, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU GIVE THEM 50, I'M COMING TO YOU FOR 50. SO JUST TAKE THAT AND KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE IF IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY, THEY SHOULD TAKE IT. IF IT'S NOT A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY, THEY SHOULDN'T. BUT, BUT SHOULD THEY RUSH TO A DECISION KNOWING THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THAN WHAT MR. KLEIN HAS ALREADY DEVELOPED OVER TWO YEARS TIME. MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED REALLY QUICKLY. SO THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF, I KNOW HOW MUCH THAT NAME CLOSED FOR. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE AND THERE'S A LOT MORE MONEY ON THIS TABLE. YOU WAITING. SO IT COMES DOWN TO TAX DOLLARS AND WE DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGES. 'CAUSE IF, IF YOU GUYS, IF IT'S 50 OR IF IT'S MR. EDWARDS IS CORRECT, MAYBE COMES BACK AND EVERYBODY SAYS A HUNDRED AND THEN ALL SUDDEN ADOPT HUNDRED AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA COME IN FOR A HUNDRED. BUT WHAT DON'T YOU DOCK IT? IF YOU COME IN FOR A HUNDRED AND THAT PROJECT GETS DONE, WILL IT NOT JUST GET DONE TWICE AS QUICK THEN AND OVER IT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YES. BUT COULD WE DONE IT BY OURSELVES WITHOUT COMING AND ASKING MAYBANK TO HELP NEY PAY FOR THE PIECE OF, OKAY. THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, WOULDN, DO WE COME TO, WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK KEMP TO COME PAY MAY KEMP ISN'T GONNA BE PAYING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. THEY DON'T PAY, THEY DON'T PAY COUNTY TAXES. UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT LAND IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS AN ACRE. YES, BUT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT, WE'RE BOTH IN SOME NEGOTIATIONS THAT THEY, WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO IS GENERATE $42 MILLION MORE IN TAX REVENUE. IT'S GONNA GENERATE $42 MORE IN TAX REVENUE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE LESS TAXES FOR YOUR TAX PAYERS. THANK YOU GUYS. I'M DEBATE THIS. I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN A STUDY AND WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, ACCEPT WHATEVER HAPPENS AND, AND WE'LL GO WITH IT FROM THERE. HERE'S EXACTLY THE REASON. WE GOT TWO GREAT, TWO GREAT CITIES IN OUR COUNTY THAT TOTALLY DISAGREE AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DISAGREEING. I THINK WE DISAGREE. WE DON'T DISAGREE. WE JUST THINK OUR INFORMATION IS MORE COMPLETE. YOUR INFORMATION IS BASED ON 50%, IS THAT OUR INFORMATION IS BASED ON BASICALLY TWO YEARS OF STUDY AND THAT'S WHERE THE 50 50%, 50% INTO THE FIFTH. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS. SO WE THINK WE'VE GOT A SOLID, WE PRESENT YOU GUYS A REALLY SOLID WAY TO GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $42 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. MARILYN MIGHT GET INTERESTING LATER ON. WELL, YOU KNOW, 30 WE HAVE THAT PARTY. WELL, I'M NOT CONCERNED. I, AND, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER ARIA, UH, ABOUT THE, THE LIABILITY. IF WE'RE NOT, UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY IN THAT, UH, ANY FINANCIAL LIABILITY IN THAT. THE NUMBERS THING THAT MR. UH, MAYOR GROOM BROUGHT UP, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT PART OF IT, BUT, UH, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIABILITY PERSONALLY. YEAH, I, I'M FEELING THAT OUR BOND LAWYER WILL PROBABLY, AN ATTORNEY WILL PROBABLY TELL US THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE NAME OF TER OR WRITTEN IN THE NAME OF THE MUNICIPALITY OF THE CITY. BUT I'M NOT, IF IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN BLACK AND WHITE, I WILL NOT, I SAY I'LL NOT SUPPORT IT. I'D LIKE THE MOTION. PLEASE SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION. NOW, I STILL DISAGREE WITH TORI THAT THAT RESOLUTION, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THE PASS RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT FOR THE CITY OF MATERIAL, UH, THERE'S NO PERCENTAGE MENTIONED IN THIS RESOLUTION. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT TORI'S SAYING TO SAID, WELL, THIS IS JUST AUTHORIZING AND IN WHAT WE SIGN IS WHAT THE WORD IS. I, I AGREE THAT WHAT WE SIGN IS WHAT THE, WHAT THE REAL WORD IS. BUT I DON'T THINK, IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, UH, UM, UH, SIGN IT IF IT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION CAPACITY. BUT THE RESOLUTION'S BEEN MADE. I MEAN, MOTIONS BEEN MADE TO SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT FOR THE CITY OF . SECOND, YOU IN TROUBLE, UH, MOTIONS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO, UH, PASS THE RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE FINANCIAL DISTRICT FOR THE CITY OF TERRO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A THOSE OPPOSED DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. WE CAN DO MORE DISCUSSION YOU NEEDED RIGHT NOW. ALL, UH, THE TIP IS, IS A GREAT [01:25:01] SCENARIO. IT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR, I THINK FOR EVERYBODY. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE MR. ER SAYS ABOUT NOT HAVING SOME TYPE OF POLICY OR HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LINED OUT. AND I'VE ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE CITY OF CHARLES TIMEFRAME. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THIS DONE WITH A WORKSHOP AND STILL GET YOU WITHIN YOUR TIME FRAME? THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIRS DONE BY NOVEMBER 5TH, WHICH IS, UH, WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY THAT I'D LIKE TO, WITH RESEARCH ON TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A POKER GAME GOING ON HERE. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT ALL THE STAKES ARE. MR. MAYOR, IF WE, UH, HAD A WORKSHOP THIS WEEK AND CAME BACK NEXT MONDAY AND PASSED IT OR NOT PASSED IT, WOULD THAT GIVE Y'ALL ENOUGH TIME TO GET YOUR TOUGH TIMES? YES. ANSWER. ANSWER. YES SIR. YES IT WOULD. YES. OKAY. YES. AND IS THAT ESTABLISHED IN THAT 50% LEVEL, THAT DISCUSSION? IS THAT THE REASON THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THAT 50%? WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF WE CAN, UH, IF WE CAN GET IT DONE SO THAT WE CAN EITHER DECIDE WHETHER THEY CAN MOVE ON OR, OR NOT MOVE ON. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I, I'D LIKE TO THE WORKSHOP. I THINK THAT I, WE NEED TO GET TO MORE OF AN AGREEMENT TO, UH, GET SOME MORE INPUT. AND WE ALMOST HAD A WORKSHOP THIS MORNING HERE. WE HAD PRETTY GOOD ONES. YEAH. WELL, WE WEEKS, THEY SHOULD ALREADY BEEN HERE WITH THEIR ARGUMENT. WELL, Y'ALL HAD PLENTY OF TIME. I'M, I'M NOT A LAWYER AND I'M GONNA SEEK INFORMATION FROM MY LAWYER. AND I'M NOT AN AUDITOR. I'M NOT AN AUDITOR. THANK GOD. ONLY GIVE YOU SOME MORE MONEY TO SPEND. BUT I THINK, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT WORKSHOP ON FRIDAY, MONDAY, MAKE THE DECISION YOU YOUR NAME. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN PUT WORDS IN IT THAT WILL SATISFY EVERYBODY. OKAY. DOES THAT, THAT DOES GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO, UH, COMPLETE YOUR PROCESS. IF WE MAKE A MAKE A DECISION NEXT MONDAY, OR, UH, JUDGE, CAN I WITHDRAW MY SECOND IF I WANT TO? IF YOU WANT TO, I WOULD ALLOW THAT. YOU WOULD LOVE IT. OKAY. AND I'LL JUST DO THAT THEN. MOTION DIE FOR. I'LL TAKE YOU OFF THE HOOK, JUDGE. YOU'LL VOTE. SECONDED. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND NOW WORKSHOP. WE WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP. I'M GONNA CHECK MY CALENDAR BEFORE WE LET Y'ALL GO THIS MORNING, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK AND I'M GONNA CHECK CALENDAR. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? RECESS? THIS? YES. OKAY. UH, FRIDAY IS THE, UH, HALL OF FAME LUNCH IN HERE IN COMPTON. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP, UH, ABOUT 11 OR THREE. UH, SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD TIME. BUT THURSDAY AFTERNOON, UH, WE CAN HAVE A THURSDAY AFTERNOON. THAT'S, AND WE NEED TO BEGINNING AT ONE 30. THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO GET IT POSTED, UH, WITHIN THE SEVEN TWO HOURS. SO ONE 30 THURSDAY. AND, UH, I WILL CALL A BOND LAWYER AND SEE IF, UH, THEY CAN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR THAT. HE'S NOT ONLY A BOND LAWYER, BUT HE'S ALSO THE EXPERT IN ALL SPECIAL DISTRICTS. REALLY? YEAH. ALRIGHT, JOHN, JUDGE. AND THAT, YES. I'M SORRY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WON'T BE HERE THURSDAY. WE APPRECIATE IT'S UP TO HERE. THAT'S FINE. IT'S WORKSHOP FOR EDUCATION FOR HELP EDUCATE. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE SETTING THAT [01:30:01] AT ONE 30. TALK A BIT. ONE 30 THURSDAY, ONE 30 THURSDAY. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD THIS AFTERNOON AND PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY IN CASE BY THIS AFTERNOON. WELL, YEAH, NEED TO PROBABLY NEED TO SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION AND THEN ESTABLISH THE PERCENTAGE OF PARTICIPATION BY THE COUNTY. POSSIBLY ESTABLISH THE PERCENT OF THIS PRINCIP COUNTY YOU LISTEN TO THAT VICKY TOOK CARE OF BOTH FAIL. SO NEXT ONE IS, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR HIGH ROAD COMMERCIAL PARKING. TALKING PRECINCT ONE. JUDGE, WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT ONE MORE TIME. THERE'S A, THAT'S STILL WORKING. WORKING IN PROGRESS. YEAH. UH, DISCUSSION. CONSIDER ADVERTISING FOR BID FOR PHASE THREE OF THE KAUFMAN COUNTY MOBILE DATA SYSTEM. ANGIE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I HEARD THE FIRST ON TABLING IN, I'M SORRY. UH, SECOND ONE OF THESE GUYS OVER HERE SECONDED HIS MOTIONS AND FAVOR THAT ITEM. OKAY. AYE. ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. NOW WITHDRAW BY SECOND COMMISSION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. DID THE JURY, DID YOU GET THAT? UH, OKAY, JACK. ALRIGHT SIR, I THINK I MENTIONED A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT THE, UH, STATE CISB PROGRAM WAS GOING AWAY IN SEPTEMBER AND IT DID, UH, PHASE ONE AND TWO, WE UTILIZED THAT CISB PROGRAM. SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE TO BID OUT. OKAY. CISD, CERTIFIED INFORMATION. CERTIFIED INFORMATION SERVICE VENDOR. OKAY. ITS A HIGH TECH, UH, PROCUREMENT THAT STATE ALLOWED YOU TO NEGOTIATE AND, UH, SEPTEMBER ONE THAT WENT AWAY, NO LONGER CAN DO THAT. SO THIS TICKER PHASE THREE WILL HAVE TO GET OUT. NOW IS THAT GOING TO, I MEAN, BUT, BUT WHOEVER SPECIAL CASES STILL HAVE TO BLEND IN WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. YES, SIR. I, I SPOKE WITH GEORGE YORK AND, AND KATHY, I THINK PHASE THREE IS INSTALLING SOME EQUIPMENT AND EVERYONE SEEMED TO THINK THAT THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE SAME VENDOR TO DO THAT. WE FEEL LIKE THAT SAME VENDOR PROBABLY WILL UH, END UP GETTING THAT. UH, BUT UH, THEY WANT OPEN THAT UP TO BUT IT'S NOT A SOLE SOURCE. NO. RIGHT? DON'T KNOW A SOCIAL SOURCE. NO, SIR. KATHY MAY WANNA SPEAK ON THAT, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE GOT LUCKY TO DO IN THIS SPACE FOR THE, FOR THE M MS SYSTEM IS TO, UH, EQUIP THE CITY OF COMBINE CRANDLE, UM, KEMP AND MAYBANK BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DISPATCHES FOR THOSE ENTITIES. THEY'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE CAD SYSTEM PLUS THE REDUNDANCY THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S GOT. AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S LIKE, IT'S BASICALLY AN ETHERNET DEVICE AND A LITTLE ANTENNA AND INSTALLATION THAT GETS PUT IN THEIR SQUAD CARS. WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THE LAPTOPS, UM, AND SO WE'RE WAITING FOR US TO GET THOSE DEVICES SO WE CAN INSTALL IT AND GET THEM ONLINE. ALSO, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TELLER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. JUDGE, WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME DATES ON THAT? YES, PLEASE. I OPPOSE UH, CLOSING THAT ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER THE NINTH. UH, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A HALL DOWN 12TH, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY DON'T HAVE A CALENDAR WITH ME. VETERAN'S DAY. SO Y'ALL WON'T MEET THAT DAY. WE'LL MEET THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. Y'ALL MEET THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. I'M GOING BE BE IN. SO WE NOVEMBER 19TH. ARE Y'ALL GONNA MEET TUESDAY? NO, NO. WON'T MEET AT ALL. 12TH. UH, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE A MEETING THAT FOLLOWING MONDAY, WHICH IS THE 19TH. 19TH STILL CLOSED ON THE NINTH? YES. [01:35:07] OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NEXT WE'LL HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER PURCHASING TWO DUMP TRUCKS FOR PRECINCT NUMBER THREE THROUGH THE BY BOARD COOPERATIVE PER PROCEED PROGRAM. AND JUDGE, THIS IS THE SAME PROGRAM WE'VE BEEN USING ON, ON THE DUCT TRUCKS BEEN PASSED. UH, THE UNIT COST PER TRUCK IS $97,215. IT'S 9 7 2 15. UH, HAVE SOME NUMBERS ON THE LAST TRUCK ALSO ON, ON, ON THIS, INCLUDING THIS. WE HAVE ONE TRUCK GOING BACK, PRECINCT THREE. HE'S BUYING AN ADDITIONAL TRUCK. WE HAVE ONE TRUCK GOING BACK ON THE 14 MONTH PROGRAM. UH, THE TRUCK WE PURCHASED WAS $84,555 WITH FINANCING AND THEN BUYBOARD FEES. THE TOTAL COST OF THE TRUCK WAS $89,404. UH, THE BUYBACK PRICE IS 79,000. THAT BRINGS US TOTAL COST TO OPERATIONS FOR, UH, 14 MONTHS OF $10,404. UH, WHICH BREAKS DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 743 A MONTH. AND IS THAT PROGRAM THESE, THESE NEXT TWO ARE GONNA BE ON THE SAME PROGRAM SAME TIME? YES SIR. COMMISSIONER SHANE WILL MAKE GET A MOTION. ARE THESE MAX? YES. YES. THAT WITH DALLAS MAG. COMMISSIONER DE WILL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, ADVERTISE FOR BID FOR ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS ROAD MATERIALS. YES SIR. AND YOU? I'D LIKE THE SAME DAY. SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, CLOSE THAT NOVEMBER THE NINTH. AND UH, WELCOME ON 19TH. OBJECTED. ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO INCLUDE, UH, THE OIL SAND FOR YES SIR. I HENDERSON COUNTY? YES SIR. I THINK WE'LL INCLUDE, UH, TURE. THIS AS WELL THIS TIME. OIL SAND TOO, RIGHT? YES, SIR. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. EDISON COUNTY JUST FIRED BACK UP. OKAY. IN FACT, THEY CHANGED, CHANGED OWNERS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING SOME OILS SAYING THAT AND I THINK WE CAN GET A GOOD DEAL. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ROAD MATERIALS Y'ALL THINK OF? CHECK. NO, WE MAY I PRE ON THIS AND I'LL, I'LL TURN THAT ON. ANGIE, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE. OKAY. GOT A QUESTION. COULD WE ALSO DO ONE FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE LIKE SS COMING HELP YOU WITH TRUCKING SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE ALL HAVE TRUCKS WORKING, UH, SOMETIMES WE NEED SOMETHING FOR EXTRA TRUCKING THAT FOR HAULING THE HAUL MATERIAL. YEAH, HAULING. I THINK WE USED TO DO THAT, DIDN'T WE? YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK THE PRICE OF THE FUEL THAT KIND OF GOT IN AND KIND OF GOT OFF ON THAT. UH, I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS AND YOU MAY HAVE THAT COMMISSIONER. SOME FOLKS YOU KNOW, WANT TO CHARGE PER MILE. SOME WANT TO DO IT PER HOUR AND THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH LOGGING IT DOWN. KEEP EVERYTHING ON YOU GO BY, GO BY THE HOUR. THE TRUCKS REALLY RUN SLOW. , WE MIGHT WANNA PUT THAT ON ON NEXT AGENDA FOR TRUCKING. UH, ON THIS MATERIAL THAT WE'D HAVE PRICING DELIVER, HAND PICKED UP. GET A SEPARATE TRUCKING PLAN. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MILD BECAUSE UM, I'M A LOT DIFFERENT. THAT DOESN'T SOUND . EVERYBODY. YOUR PRECINCT HAS DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. THANKS JUDGE. BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. THAT'S WHY THE MILEAGE MAY, MAY MAKE IT EASIER. BOTTOM MILE COURT TIME. YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE. OKAY, WE'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION TO END THIS FOR ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS ROAD MATERIAL. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL YE AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UH, DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE, UPON THE C GORDON AS DEPUTY CONSTABLE PRECINCT NUMBER TWO. SO SECOND. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BY, WE'RE GONNA PAY THAT PRECINCT FOR HIM [01:40:01] IN SEPTEMBER. I'M JURY ROUND BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THE SECOND. YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE SECOND JOE. IT'S ON POINT. AYE MOTION. CARRIE DO WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY I'M AFRAID WE HAVE A COUPLE. OKAY. VERY MINOR POSSIBLE PRECINCT TWO WOULD PROPOSE A LINE ON TRANSFER OF INCREASED MISCELLANEOUS $200 CONDUCT REDUCTION IN TRAINING, EDUCATION AND CONFERENCE. ADDITIONALLY, UH, THAT REQUEST OF THE COUNTY TREASURER, WE HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CAR ALLOWANCE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PAY. MUCH DISCUSSION. UH, Y'ALL HEARD THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER? REQUEST A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL MOTION CARRIES. AND I GUESS YOU WANT US TO PAY SOME BILLS? YES SIR. I, CAROL, I GOT BILL FOR LIKE 3,500 FIX AND I DON'T HAVE ONE GOES. YEAH, WE WERE WORKING FOR BEER AND WINE. IS THAT BIRTHDAY PARTY? THE STUFF WE DRINK THAT'S FOUR BOTTLE. WHAT WE USE. YOU GET IT? YEAH. THAT'S NOT 42 IN THE TOP, BUT IT, IT GIVES YOU THAT. YOU KNOW WHO, WHO DID THE STUDY? IS THIS SEND IT OVER THE PAPER THAT I GOT. IT WAS IN A PAPER. I DON'T DON'T PAY IT. I'M NOT GOING. I WELL I'LL SHOW YOU. CALL UP. THEY SAID TO YOU BY MISTAKE. YEAH, I NEED TO GET THEIR ADDRESS DOWN THERE. [01:45:03] JUDY. WHAT YOU DO A GOOD JOB? I'LL JUST, I'LL SEND YOU THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. SPREADSHEET THAT WE TIME, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY USED BUT THEY WAS TRANSPO. I SAID I STARTED TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THE BUSHEL BASKET. FIGURE IT OUT. ACTUALLY JUST GOT ONE CHECK, CHECK FOR EVERYTHING. EVERY PROJECT CHECK GET A 3% CHECK FOR EVERY CRIME AFTER OR NOT PAPERWORK. SHE SAID THEY KILLED ABOUT THREE A DAY. GET YOUR TITLE BUT I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. GET 41 IF THE COUNTY IS NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. COUNTY IS NOT OBLIGATED ANY WHY WOULD THEY ABOUT THE COUNTY NOT BEING OBLIGATED FOR ANY BONDS. 50 MILLION. BUT THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO PAY COUNTY THE COUNTY'S INVOLVED. COUNTY UNDER, IF THEY PASSED IT LIKE IT IS 50% TAX INCREASE OF THESE YOU RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER. WE, IF YOU'RE THE DEVELOPER, YOU PAY THE FULL AMOUNT BUT 50% THE COUNTY GOT 150% WOULD GO TO THE TIP. 50% WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY. YES. RIGHT. BUT THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD PAY. YES, THERE IS NO ORIGINAL TAX. OKAY. BUT THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD PAY 50% OF WHAT PERCENT IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S NOT REAL COMPLICATED. IT'S NOT AS COMPLICATED AS [01:50:09] WE WERE. REGULATIONS. THAT'S, THAT'S SMALL. BUT WHEN THEY GROW UP, BECAUSE YOU SEE THOSE QUESTIONS OF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HE'S CONCERN THESE SPOTS ARE OFF GOES IN THIS SITUATION. ROAD JUST GOES WHAT THEY'RE OPPORTUNITY BUT THEY WOULD'VE NO OPPORTUNITY TO GET 40. THAT'S THEIR THEORY. AND THEN WHEN THE FIRE OUT, MAKE SURE MY BIGGEST THING, INSURANCE SOMEWHERE, NO WAY TO GET CURIOUS. BUT THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT. WE SAY THAT HAS TO BE THERE. SO SCOTT, YOU KNOW HE JUST SAID THAT THAT'S NOT GOING THROW IT OUT. WELL THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I JUST DID NOT CONCEPT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BASIC CONCEPT. SO WE WERE SAYING 50% [01:55:39] SIDEWALK. WELL WHATEVER. IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE UP 50%, THEN THEY NEED 50% PAY. SO THE, EVEN THOUGH THEY COUNTY THE, ALL THE IN FRONT OF DATE DAY, [02:00:38] IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN YOU BEGIN, DO YOU DO THAT? THAT IS ON THE COMPUTER. THERE YOU GO. DRAW LITTLE FLOWERS AND YOU KNOW NOTHING. I ASKED ABOUT THAT WEEK POSSIBILITY. AND WE DON'T GET, YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT RIGHT. HOW OKAY. SHE DOESN'T SEE WHAT IF YOU PAY A DOLLAR TAX HUNDRED AND YOU END THE 10TH 50% IN THE AGREEMENT. 50% YOU WOULD PAY YOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS TAX. COUNTY 50. THAT'S WHAT NO, IT'S 50% OF THE TAX. IT'S 50% OF THE TAX INCREASE IN THAT PROPERTY. YES, IT'S A TAX INCREMENT. YOUR TAX, IF YOUR TAXES WERE A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR. OKAY. JUST THE THOUSAND, 20 1060 3000. BUT THE POINT IS BASICALLY WORTH THE PROPERTY. IT SHOULD BE THOUGH. YEAH. HE'LL LOVE THAT. BUT THE INDIVIDUAL, [02:05:20] THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA. IF IT DOESN'T MILLION AND IT GOES UP 20, WE ONLY GIVE UP 10 BETTER CHANGE THAT UP. THE PARTY WAS DOING LAYOFF DOWN THERE. THEY DID SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE, WAS THERE YOU GO TWO OUTS AND A GUY SICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THREE AND TWO COUNT AND THEY STICK ON THE BUCK. THEY LOST THE GAME. I SAID SO MANY TIMES I SAID I CAN TRUST THE PAY OFF OF THIS WHOLE THING. IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, THAT LAMB IS STILL DEVELOPED. EXPLAIN THAT WAS, BUT IT MAY BE 50 YEARS INSTEAD OF 20 TO THIS SIDE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER AND PAY THE BILLS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. LEMME, I I NEVER MAKE THIS A MOTION. I'LL BE ADJOURN . OKAY. I GOT ONE THING TO SAY BEFORE WE DO. SEE I'M NOT GONNA, WELL YEAH, I'M GONNA WAIT. I'M GONNA LET YOU DO IT. UH, THE WORKSHOP THURSDAY WILL BE IN MY OFFICE. 'CAUSE THERE THEY'VE GOT THIS ROOM RESERVED FOR THE VOTERS. OH, OKAY. THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING, GETTING SET UP FOR ABSENTEE VOTING. SO THURSDAY'S WORKSHOP WILL BE IN MY OFFICE. NEXT MONDAY'S COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING WILL BE IN MY OFFICE. OH, THAT'LL BE CROWDED. THAT WILL, BEFORE I POST IT THIS AFTERNOON, I WOULD CHECK WITH, UH, THE OTHER JUDGE TO SEE IF THERE'S GONNA BE A COURTROOM AVAILABLE NEXT MONDAY. IF THERE'S NOT, I WOULD JUST BE CRAFTED. BUT, UH, WHEN WE, WE GOT TO THREE TO FIND OUT WHERE. OH, IT WON'T BE HERE. BUT THE WORKSHOP THURSDAY, THE CPS COMING. WHO'S, WHO'S HERE? OH, HERE. THAT'S RIGHT. I'M GONNA CHECK. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? MOVE. ADJOURN. COMMISSIONER ROD. MOVE. ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? WE WOULD ADVISE SOUTH CAMPUS NEXT MONTH. WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'LL CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT CPS IS NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE A MEETING OUT THERE. DO THAT. YEAH. . THAT'S RIGHT. UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROW. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK TO ADJOURN ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. WE ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.