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THAT'S RIGHT, MS. GRACIOUS HEAVEN.
AND FATHER, WE THINK THEY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY OF COMING TOGETHER TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY LIKE THIS.
UH, PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON US AND GIVE US THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS AND GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE TO, UH, PROCEED IN THAT MATTER.
AS USUAL, WE ASK, UH, THAT YOU LOOK DOWN UPON OUR TROOPS AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY FOR US.
THANK THEY FOR THIS LIFE-GIVING REIGN.
ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE, I WAS THINKING SATURDAY DID IT FIRST.
THEY, UH, Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A OUR LAST MEETING, ADDITION TO OUR CORRECTIONS, IF THERE NONE.
OKAY, MR. HOWELL JONES AS THE, UH, AUTHOR COURT FOR SEPTEMBER.
WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT.
UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BY AYE.
THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ON MY WORK THIS WEEK IF Y'ALL COME BACK.
SEE HOW THE FUNDS ENDED UP FOR THE YEAR.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, REQUESTED TO BE ON AND DISCUSSING CONSIDER RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF AND POSSIBLY ESTABLISHING A PERCENTAGE FOR THE COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IN THE CREATION OF THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE, AS STATED UNDER THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING ACT, CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE OF MATERIAL.
YOU COME BEFORE I SEE SIGNED UP.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION SO SIGNED UP.
IS THERE A SECOND LINE MOTION AT THIS POINT? MR. SECOND ON DISCUSSION, WE HAVE MARK GOLD STUCKER, UH, CAMPBELL ROAD, SUITE 800, BRIDGETON, TEXAS, RIGHT? MARK? YES, SIR.
UH, YEAH, IF YOU NEED TO LAY SOMETHING DOWN, JUST MOVE UP TO THAT BAR HERE.
I'M AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE CITY OF FOR, AND I'M HERE THIS MORNING, UH, ON BEHALF OF FORNEY REGARDING THE RESOLUTION.
UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THE CITY HAS REGARDING THE PROCEDURAL AND SUBSTANTIVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TAX CODE AND OTHER STATUTORY, UH, PROVISIONS AND WHETHER THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH, UH, PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT THIS HAS COME BEFORE A OVER THIS COURT HERE TODAY.
UH, BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER, UH, THE, THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN AVAILABLE AND HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO STUDY, UH, CITY OF FORNEY WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONERS VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS, UH, AT LEAST UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE OBTAINED IN REVIEWED.
UH, HOWARD RICHARDS WITH, UH, CITY OF
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TYRO MAYOR.MORNING JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR, UH, LETTING US SPEAK, I THINK, UH, FOR BEGINNING TO BE, UH, QUITE FAMILIAR WITH EACH OTHER.
THESE TODAY, MS. SANDERS, FOR A LONG TIME, THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS, UH, ESTABLISHED A TRACK RECORD, I THINK, OF BRINGING OUTSTANDING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO THE COUNTY, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL SALES TAX.
I'M GONNA JUMP INTO OUR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT OUR TRACK RECORD STANDS THERE.
WE HAVE WORKED, WE STARTED A LONG TIME AGO, UH, WORKING ON THIS TIP.
UH, WE'VE ENGAGED, UH, ONE OF THE PREMIER, UH, CONSULTING FIRMS IN THIS BUSINESS, UH, SCHREYER AND KLEIN.
UH, THEY'VE DONE A NUMBER, UH, OF, OF 40 OR 50 TIPS THAT THEY'VE DONE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THIS OF THE TIF THING EVER SINCE THE LEGISLATURE CREATED IT.
UH, TO SAY THAT THEY'RE COMPETENT, UH, WOULD BE, UH, AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
I DARE SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE COMPETENT IN, THEY, THEY HAVE MORE EXPERTISE IN DEVELOPING T IN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STATE.
UM, IT'S SORT OF A SENSITIVE SUBJECT, BUT I, I GUESS IT'S, IT IS SORT OF LIKE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD BRING IT UP.
UM, THE CITY'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A TIF IN WHICH WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE 50% MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO CONTRIBUTE.
UH, EVERYTHING IN THIS TIF IS, UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT.
UH, THE FORMULAS HAVE ALL BEEN WORKED THROUGH, AND WHEN AND WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO RECEIVE INTO THE GENERAL FUND $42 MILLION MORE THAN YOU WOULD'VE OVER THE LIFE OF THIS TIF.
AND THAT'S MONEY THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY IN THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
IT'S GONNA BE PAID BY BUSINESSES, UH, THAT ARE ESTABLISHED AS A RESULT OF CREATING THIS.
TI THINK WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON HERE FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY CITY HAS BEEN, UM, AS, UH, AGGRESSIVE AND AS ASSERTIVE AS, AS WE HAVE IN TERMS OF GETTING STARTED ON THIS, WE RECOGNIZED WHAT THIS TIP WAS AND WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES WERE WHEN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED IT, AND WE GOT STARTED.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT PUTS US IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION TO BE ON THE GROUND WITH A TIFF A LONG TIME BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS IS RESISTANCE FROM RESISTANCE FROM, UH, OTHERS WHO ARE NOT AS READY AS WE ARE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE, BUT THE PROBLEM FROM THE COUNTY STANDPOINT IS, I THINK THE ONLY THING BEFORE YOU GUYS IS NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR ONE CITY AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER, BUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TAXPAYER, UM, IN COLMAN COUNTY.
AND WE'VE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW.
I KNOW THAT, UH, MR. ROGERS AND MR. KLEIN AND MR. SCHROER HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS WHEN IT GETS RIGHT DOWN TO IT, AND, UH, YOUR ATTORNEY SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY, AND I'LL WRAP UP WITH THIS, WHEN IT GETS RIGHT DOWN TO IT, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO COME TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL THAT THAT IN WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, WE'RE IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEED, THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE ANY CHANCE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK, UH, THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
YOUR ATTORNEY SAID THE OTHER DAY, UH, AN ANSWER TO ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS HE SAID, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOUR PARTNER IN THIS TIP IS GONNA BE ETHICAL.
YOUR PARTNER IN THIS TT IS GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO, AND THAT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED YOU IS WELL-FOUNDED.
AND I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE THINGS.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK WE'RE AN ETHICAL PARTNER OR NOT, I GUESS.
BUT, UH, I THINK OUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
AND I THINK, AND I, AGAIN, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE, UH, GET OUT THERE TOO FAR, BUT I THINK MY TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR THAT FOR YOU, JENNIFER, TO KNOW ME.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY.
AND IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF YOU GUYS WERE NOT PAST THIS TIP AS WE PROPOSE IT.
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE PAY 50% MORE THAN THE COUNTY.
WE'VE GOT MUCH MORE INVESTMENT IN THE COUNTY.
AND IN ORDER FOR THIS TIFF TO WORK, LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR AND I'LL SHUT UP.
IN ORDER FOR THIS TIFF TO WORK, IT NEEDS TO BE PASSED AS WE PRESENTED IT.
AND IF IT CAN'T BE PASSED AS WE PRESENTED IT, THEN, UH, THAT, THAT, I THINK YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS CAN'T PASS IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ANY MORE TINKERING.
AND IF, UH, YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY, THEN UH, YOU ARE VOTED DOWN.
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BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT IT IS QUESTIONS FOR ME.I THINK THERE IS TIME TO NOT, I KNOW THERE YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME TO GET THIS DONE, BUT WHEN WE AGREE TO THIS TODAY, IF WE AGREE TO THIS, TO THIS TODAY, MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS, BUT PROBABLY SHOULD BE, BUT, UH, DON'T, BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH WHEN WE DO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THAT IS WHEN THE NITPICKING WILL COME IN.
AND, AND WHEN I SAY TIME FOR TINKERING, I'M SORRY, TIME FOR TINKERING ON THIS ENABLING RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PASS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY.
AND, AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH WITH YOU GUYS JUST AS WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING, TO MAKE CHANGES AND SUGGESTIONS AND TO MAKE VIRTUALLY ANY CHANGE OR CORRECTION WITH THIS TIP THAT WE, THAT WE CAN AGREE ON AS WE GO INTO THIS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID OVER THERE IS OUR NITPICKING IS GOING TO GET IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.
WE NEED A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS WON'T WORK.
UH, I, AS I SAID, OF COURSE, MY HANGUP IN THE WORKSHOP WAS THE 30 YEAR 50%.
AND, AND A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, TO CHANGE THIS, UH, RESOLUTION.
JUST THE WORDING TO SAY UP TO, BECAUSE YOURS SAYS A MINIMUM, I SAY UP TO 50%.
IF YOU SAY 50% IS WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THIS WORK.
THERE MAY, DURING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, WE MAY THIS DISAGREE ON HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO DO THIS PROJECT.
SO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF, OF NEGOTIATING ROOM, UH, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND, AND IF IT'S UP TO 50%, IF THIS PROJECT TAKES 50, MAYBE THIS ONLY TAKES 40.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO, TWO PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT'S, THAT'S LOOKING OUT FOR THE COUNTY'S INTEREST.
AND OF COURSE, I HAVE DUE DILIGENCE FOR, FOR THE COUNTY ALSO.
UH, AND I, I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I'M GONNA GO WITH A LITTLE BIT OF IT IN THAT I WAS ONLY GIVEN TWO DAYS TO READ THIS WHOLE PATH, UH, AFTER YOU WORKED ON IT FOR TWO YEARS.
I, I SAID THAT THE OTHER DAY AND I STILL FEEL THAT WAY 'CAUSE I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE.
THE TIFF ON THE SURFACE SOUNDS GREAT.
I THINK IT'LL WORK FOR COUNTY AND CITY AND EVERYBODY.
UH, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN PROBABLY RESOLVE IT DURING THIS DISCUSSION.
WE, I THINK WE CAN RESOLVE UP TO 50, THE UP TO 50% THING.
I THINK WE CAN, EVERYTHING THAT THIS TIP IS BASED ON IS BASED ON PROJECTIONS.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT IS BASED ON PROJECTIONS THAT IS, UH, DERIVED FROM THE BEST INFORMATION THAT THESE, UH, WIZARDS BACK HERE CAN COME UP WITH, UH, UP THE UP TO 50.
BUT, BUT ALL THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE ALSO BASED ON 50%.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE FOUNDING FACTORS IN THIS THING IS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN 75% OF OUR PROJECTED, UH, PROPERTY TAX AND Y'ALL ARE PUTTING IN 50% OF YOUR PROJECTED PROPERTY TAX.
NOW, AS WE GO ALONG IN THIS PROCESS, THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF WAYS IN THE INTERAL AGREEMENT FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO MINIMIZE OR TO, TO LIMIT OR REDUCE YOUR PARTICIPATION WITHOUT TINKERING EFFECTIVELY PERCENT MONEY.
THERE'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT BY TAKING THINGS OUT OF THE PROJECT LIST.
UH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS THAT YOU COULD DO THAT.
UH, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SHORTEN IT.
YOU GUYS COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T WORKING OUT.
IT'S NOT WORKING OUT LIKE WE WANT TO, UH, WE WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, TO NEGOTIATE, COLLAPSING THE TIP EARLY.
AND IF WE'RE PUTTING IN 50, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN 50% AND IT'S NOT WORKING OUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU CAN SAY, THIS ISN'T WORKING OUT THE WAY WE WANTED TO.
WE CAN PUT IT IN THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WHERE WE CAN NEGOTIATE COLLAPSING THE T FIRM.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST CHANGING THOSE TWO WORDS, UH, UP TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING A MINIMUM.
I WOULD, MY SUGGESTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT UP TO 50.
OUR, OUR, OUR, ALL OF OUR PROJECTIONS AND ALL OF OUR MODELS ARE WORKED ON THE PREMISES.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT UP TO 50%.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL BASED ON THE MODEL OF 50%, NOT MORE AND NOT LESS.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE PROJECTIONS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ANCHORED ALL OF OUR STUDIES ON, IS THIS 50% RATE.
THIS ALLOWS US TO GO 50% IF WE DEEM IT NECESSARY, THIS IS GONNA BE DONE THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT I'M SAYING, THE COMMISSIONER IS THAT ALL OF THESE DETAILS CAN BE WORKED OUT AND NEGOTIATED IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
WELL, WHAT WE NEED TODAY IS WE NEED TO GET STARTED SO
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THAT WE CAN, SO THAT I CAN, SO THIS CAN BE PRESENTED, UH, TO THE COUNCIL, UH, NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN GET THOSE PROPERTY TAXES AND WE CAN GET THE TIP ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE PROPERTY TAX REAPPRAISAL IN JANUARY.DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM AS COMMISSIONER LER WAS SAYING WITH US CHANGING THAT TO SAY UP TO 50%? I MEAN, IS THAT A DEAL KILLER? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT IT IS THAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON 75% FOR US AND 50% FOR YOU.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE ONE OF THESE GUYS CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I WHAT ABOUT SAYING INSTEAD OF MINIMUM 50% SAY 50%? YEAH, I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IS ESTABLISHED, HAS BEEN ON THAT 50% LEVEL.
UH, LET, LEMME TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
OUR, OUR LEGAL ADVISOR HAS ADVISED US THAT AT THIS POINT, THIS SOLUTION, WE NEED TO SAY UP TO 50% RATHER THAN 50% AND THEN TIE THE PERCENTAGE IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE, SO THAT'S WHERE WE IS THAT ALRIGHT? OKAY.
I, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS, NOT ME.
UH, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE ONE WE HAD.
AM I DISMISSED? JUDGE
I, I, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT.
I KNOW THE CITY FOREIGN IS HERE, SO YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THE COUNTY IS GONNA LOOK AT ALL TENTHS AND BROUGHT TO US FROM THIS STATE FORWARD.
SO, UH, AS WE LOOK AT THINGS WE WE'LL HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BOUNDARY LINE TODAY,
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? THIS, UH, NO MORE DISCUSSION.
UM, THE ISSUE ON THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THIS MAY NOT BE GERMAN REMAIN HERE, BUT WE'VE GOTTA TALK ABOUT MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.
WILL THAT COME IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT? YES.
UM, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AND, UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBERS THAT EVERYTH COULD BE ON THE BOARD POSSIBLY IF YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE SALES TAX COLLAPSE EARLY, COULD INCLUDE A THINGS I UNDERSTAND PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING IN HERE.
A MOTION CARRIES, UH, WE POINTED OUT IN OUR WORKSHOP THE OTHER DAY THAT, UH, WE REALIZED WHAT WE DO HERE, UH, BE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AS THEY COME FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, UH, JUDGE, I MET WITH YOU LAST WEEK WITH MR, WITH, UH, THE ENGINEER ON THAT.
HE'S GONE BACK AND GOTTEN, UH, ALL OF THE INFORMATION I THINK THAT WE NEED ON THIS, THE COURT.
A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.
WHETHER OR NOT INTERIOR STREETS ARE D UH, ROADS ON ROADS WE'RE PROCEEDING, UH,
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THEM, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP WITH THE, THE QUESTION TO ME, THE QUESTION REALLY IS, ARE THESE PASSAGEWAY IN BETWEEN THE PARKING AREA? THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW.WE'VE NEVER DONE FAR SINCE GUIDELINES ARE THESE TO BE CONSIDERED ROADS IN THERE, THE PASSAGEWAYS BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THE, UH, BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THE PARKING AREAS.
SO IF THEY'RE CONSIDERED ROADS, WE HAVE MET THAT REQUIREMENT BY MAKING THEM AT LEAST 24 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT IT SAYS IN OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE LETTERS FROM EVERYBODY.
IF THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLA, WE DON'T NEED A LETTER FROM THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
WE ONLY NEED THAT ON THE FINAL PLA UH, THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS LISTED DOWN HERE SHOWING WHO IT'S, SO WE GOT THAT, WE GOT THE LETTERS FROM, UH, FROM THE, UH, HERE.
THIS IS OF REPORT, COMMISSION AND ALL OF THAT.
WHAT DOES OUR COUNTY ENGINEER SAY ABOUT THIS? OH, OKAY.
THE COUNTY ENGINEER SAYS, I REVIEWED THE NOTES PART SUBMITTED BY DAVIS ENGINEERING.
UM, I WILL DRAFT A LETTER OF THE DAY, RECOMMENDED MY APPROVAL BASED ON THE CURRENT 2006 COFFMAN COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
SO WE GOT THAT FROM PBS AND J UH, THESE GUYS HAVE PATIENT, UH, THEY'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF, UH, IN AND OUTS SINCE WE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, THESE AREN'T ROADS IN HERE ARE NOT ROADS.
ARE WE GONNA CALL 'EM ROADS? YEAH, THEY UH, THEY'RE NOT NAMES.
THEY'RE NOT A ROAD THAT, THAT REALLY HAS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENS IN TWO YEARS IF WE ACCEPT THIS AND WE COME BACK AND SAY, HOW ABOUT MAINTAINING THESE? UH, I VERIFY WE'D RATHER THEY NOT BE ROADS.
WE WOULD RATHER THEY NOT BE ROADS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE ROADS.
UH, EVERYBODY WAS, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE NAMES ON THEM JUST FAR.
CERTAIN PARKING, IF YOU GO TO BROOKSHIRES AND DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT PARKING LOT, THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS THIS.
THEY'RE JUST CARS AND BROOKSHIRES INSTEAD OF RVS.
THEY DON'T HAVE NAMES, THEY'RE NOT ROADS.
UH, THEY'RE THE SAME DISTANCE AS THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER THAN NOT BE ROADS ACTUALLY.
AND THEY DON'T EXPECT US TO MAINTAIN 'EM RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SAY, IS THAT THE, THAT THE RV PARTS HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE SAME REASON? REGULATIONS? YEAH.
NOW MY CONCERN WAS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR AN AMBULANCE OR FIRE TRUCK COMING THAT YEAH.
AND WITH THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, WHAT ARE WE GONNA CALL 'EM? UH, PASSAGEWAY.
PASSAGEWAYS WITH, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE PASSAGEWAYS BEING WHAT THEY ARE.
THEN THERE, THERE, THERE IS ROOM FOR AN AN AMBULANCE.
I'VE BEEN TO BROOKSHIRES HERE.
I'VE STEPPED OFF THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEIRS.
I'VE BEEN TO WALMART OVER ONTARIO, STEPPED OFF THEIR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING AREAS.
SO, UH, EVIDENTLY THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR AN AMBULANCE TO GO UP AND DOWN AND BROOKSHIRES ARE WALMART.
KATHY HAD A QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT SHE'S GONNA FIND EACH ONE OF THOSE AN ADDRESS.
AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE JUST GIVE THE, THE RV PARK ITSELF AN ADDRESS, ONE ADDRESS FOR THE WHOLE THING.
THIS IS KIND OF DUE, UH, HAVING FIVE YEARS OF A FULL-TIME RV.
ALL ALL, UH, RV PARKING SPACES HAVE A LOT NUMBERED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL GO BY IF THEY GET THERE.
IF THEY STAY THERE PERMANENTLY AND WANT THEIR MAIL DELIVERED.
I'M ASSUMING THIS IS THE WAY YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
UM, MY NAME'S MITCHELL LUMAN BY THE WAY.
IT'S NOT PROPOSED THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY PERMANENT RESIDENCE, UM, OR ANY LOTS DESIGNATED PROPERTY.
WHEN THEY SIGN IN, THERE ARE CONTRACTS SOMEWHERE SHOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MORE THAN
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60 DAYS OR SOMETHING.IS THAT CORRECT? AND I, AND UH, I MEAN IT WAS, THE DETAILS OF THAT HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT AND UH, THE DEVELOPER, THAT'D BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
BUT, UH, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT, UH, LIMITED THE NUMBER OF DAYS.
I THINK THE STATE PARKS ARE RESTRICTED TO 60.
SO WE EVEN DISCUSSED WHEN WE MET WITH JERRY AND MR. LEMONS OTHER DAY DISCUSSED HAVING THAT PUT SOMEWHERE.
AND WHEN WE DO THE FINAL PLAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT, UH OKAY.
MAXIMUM STAY, UH, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL MOBILE HOME IS PROBABLY 60 DAYS.
TWO THINGS JUDGE THAT WE DID THAT WE ASKED ABOUT THAT ONE.
UH, THAT RESTRICTION ABOUT 60 DAYS AND ANOTHER ABOUT A SIGN THAT SAYS NO PARKING AND HERE ACCEPTING DESIGNATED PLACES SO THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T PARK ALONG THE SIDE OF THIS AND THEN AN AMBULANCE CAN'T GET DOWN.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT AN AMBULANCE COULD GET THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THAT IT'S WIDE OPEN, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A PARKING WAS THE, UH, WAS HOW WAS THE, UH, SEPTIC, UH, ENGINEERED FOR WHAT OCCUPANCY? MAX? IT WAS DESIGNED BY DON PLANE WHO IS LICENSED, ACTUALLY ONE RECOMMENDED BY KAMAN COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, IN THAT THREE AND A HALF ACRES THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE FOR SUBJECT AREA, UM, NUMEROUS SPRAY HEADS WERE LAID OUT AND DESIGNED FOR THAT AREA.
IT'D HAVE TO BE A COMMERCIAL OH YEAH.
YOU GONNA HAVE THE SPRAY, NOT LOW PRESSURE.
THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT FOR MY PRECINCT OUT THERE.
THERE'S, UH, NOT A LOT OF GOOD COMMERCIAL OUT THERE.
SO THIS WILL, THIS WILL BE GREAT FOR THAT.
UH, WE, THE FIRE MARSHAL IS, I DON'T THINK HE'S GIVEN US ANYTHING IN WRITING, BUT HE'S BEEN OUT THERE.
THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE WE NEED TO PUT ON PLA UH, I NEED A WORKSHOP ON.
I JUST PASSED AROUND THERE, BUT RECOMMENDED, UH, ON ALL OF THE PLATS, UH, BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ACCEPT THIS.
ONCE THIS PLATE'S ACCEPTED, THE FINAL PLATE'S ACCEPTED.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE ACCEPTED THOSE ROADS, BUT THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE YOU CAN ATTACH TO THAT PLAT THAT WERE, THAT WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE NOT YEAH.
AND THAT DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I SAID THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, THIS HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED IN THERE, SO THAT DOES NEED TO BE, BUT, UH, WE DON'T CONSIDER THOSE ROADS.
CONSIDER THAT ONE BIG PARKING LOT.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO COMMEND, UH, MR. MITCHELL AND, UH, HIS FIRM AND, UH, THE OWNERS OF THIS FOR THE, UH, UH, DELAYS THAT THEY PUT UP WITH IN THIS TILL WE GOT THIS ALL WORKED OUT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, JUDGE, I WOULD, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? I, I'D MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THAT A MOTION CARRIED.
I'M SURE THAT MR. DOUBT THAT NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REPLACEMENT COVERT AT THE INTERSECTION OF, AND ALMOST LIKE SPA SPAGHETTI SAUCE.
IN THE CITY OF SCURRY NOT TO EXCEED 500 MR. WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SHANE WILL SECOND IT.
UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS A REQUEST FROM AT T TO INSTALL VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS, UH, DROP ALONG AND UPON THE RIGHT OF WAY OF COUNTY ROAD THREE 11.
AFTER NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS, A AND T IS FILING.
TT IS ONLY GONNA START COOPERATING WITH, WITH US AND US KNOW WHEN THEY BURY CABLE ON MY COUNTY ROAD.
AND TWO, I DID GET ONE FOR YOU THE OTHER DAY,
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SO I'M MAKING MOTION.AND COMMISSIONER ROBIN, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
CARRIE, WE UH, NOW IN MARK WANTS TO, UH, INSTALL A VARI CABLE ON RIGHT OF WAY COUNTY ROAD RYON ROAD IN
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BROWN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
UH, NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, WE'LL NOW WE WANT APPROVE THE DE OF RICHARD L DURBIN AS RESERVE DEPUTY FOR CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT NUMBER TWO.
NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, WHETHER WE WANT CONSIDER APPROVING DEDICATION OF LISA COMPTON FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BY ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NEXT, WE WANNA CONSIDER IF WE WANT DEDICATION OF STEPHANIE K FOR COUNTY TEXAS AS COLLECTIVE MOTION MADE BY MR. SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY LINE ITEMS THIS MORNING? UH, HAL? NO THANK YOU.
WHY DIDN'T THE SPECIAL THURSDAY SO, AND NOT CALL THEIR OFFICE ON SEVENTH? PUT YOUR CALLED.
YOU NEVER CALLED ME AND YOU NEVER CALLED KATHY.
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OH, OKAY.WAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION.
BUT I DISAGREE WITH HOW MANY TIMES YOU CALLED.
SUBPOENA, THE RED WRITER BECAME PAINT WRITERS.
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GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.THAT'S ABOUT ALL, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN SAY.
IF YOU PLAY GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?
BUT WHEN YOU PLAY A BAD TEAM AND YOU ONLY WIN BY A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN IT DOES MAKE YOU WORRY FOR DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WIN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU JUST BARELY PLAY UP TO YOUR OPPONENT, YOU GET CAUGHT LIKE YOU DID.
I USED TO BLOW IT ON WHATEVER IT IS AND IT STICKS CLEAN UP.
AND THEN TOMORROW THEY'RE SUPPOSED SHEET IT USED TO SOUND HOT WATER.
JIMMY BEAVER SAID BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DISTANCE.
AND SO I SWITCHED MY WHOLE HOUSE TO PROPANE 'CAUSE OF OPEN HEAT.
JIMMY AND FAYE, BEAVERS HAD TWO OF THEM PUT IN BECAUSE OF THE, WHERE THEY WERE PLACED IN THEIR HOUSE AND IT CUT THEIR GAS BILL DOWN HALF.
THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ELECTRIC.
THEY'RE NOT AS EFFICIENT AS A GAS.
ALL DAY THEY, THEY, THEY DRAW SO MUCH CURRENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL CIRCUIT INSTALLED IN YOUR HOUSE TO RUN THE JUST AS HOT AS OH, HOT WATER HERE.
BUT FA I THINK FAYE TOLD ME 120 DEGREES.
YOU CAN SAY YOU'LL HAVETA, IT'LL BE INSIDE.
IT CAN TELL HOW MUCH HOT WATER IT MAKE IF YOU GONNA WASH YOUR HANDS, BUT IT'S GONNA WASH YOUR HANDS.
SOMEBODY'S DOING THE LAUNDRY, SOMEBODY'S TAKING A SHOWER, MAKING MUCH HOT WATER.
MAKE AS MUCH HOT WATER AS IT NEEDS.
AND I'LL TELL YOU LIKE THIS AND UH, HOT WATER HEAT'S RIGHT HERE AND OUR BATHROOM IS RIGHT HERE.
AND TO TURN ON THE HOT WATER, IT JUST RUNS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COLD THERE.
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WE'RE ALWAYS THE LAST ONE WE SOMETHING UNUSUAL.STEEL WHAT? BLADE? NO TRACTOR.
MOSTLY WE, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL PATCHING.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, HE'S GONNA COME IN.
A IT THAT'S, THAT'S WE'RE NOT WORRIED.
HE COULD PUT IT WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? 10% OF THE SALES WOULD EARLIER OR WHAT? OH YEAH.
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AT THAT OR JUST TALKING? HE'S TALKING WE, TWO THINGS I WOULD NEVER COMPLAIN WHEN YOU GUYS DOING THAT.THE ROAD EXPENSES WENT TO, I ASKED CAL IF THIS GARDEN ELECTRIC WAS TO REWIRE MY HOUSE AND HE SAID YEAH THE TAPE STILL RUNNING.
PARDON ME THAT I LIKE THIS JOB.
WE DID, WE DID LAST YEAR IN JANUARY.
JUST I DIDN'T THINK THAT HAD TO.
RESOLUTION SAYS WE PAY THE BILLS AND COMMISSIONER CHANGE SAYS OKAY TO HIM AND THESE TWO WILL GO ALONG WITH US.
MONDAY, FIFTH MONDAY WE WILL NOT MEET.
TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY I'M GONNA BRING YOU A PICTURE OF A MOOSE.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT SATURDAY NINE AROUND DID GREAT.
THE ONE THAT CAME WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
NOT BUT LAST WEDNESDAY ONE, FOUR GIRLS CAME OUT.
SO SHE'LL WHERE DO YOU'VE BEEN USING TECHNIQUES ON THIS ONE.
YOU IGNORE 'EM AND THEY WANT COME, THEY WANNA COME TO YOU.
BUT IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ALWAYS WANT YOU.
I'VE DONE BEFORE, BEFORE WHEN HIS, WHEN HIS PLANT WORKING HERE IN COMAN.
I TELL MY HORSE WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT, I GO TILL MY WHISPER BETWEEN 32 CENTS A POUND.
I USED TO TELL THEM THEY GOT ONE FOOT ON THE TRACK AND ONE TRACTOR THEY GET OUT THERE RUN.
WHERE DO YOU UH, DO YOU KNOW WHERE NORWOOD COLORADO IS? NORWOOD? I'VE HEARD OF IT BUT I DUNNO WHERE IT'S OKAY.
ONE OF MY GUYS, JEFF BRUNER GOT HIM A NICE SIX POINT MUL DID YEAH.
Y'ALL WILL BE GOING NEXT MONDAY, NOVEMBER.
THESE ABOUT FOUR INCHES OF SNOW UP THERE RIGHT NOW.
IT SEE HOW THE TOWN WE GET THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING.