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COMMISSIONER SHANE, YOU WANNA OPEN? WILL Y'ALL PRAY WITH ME? OUR GRACIOUS HEAVEN.
WE THANK YOU, YOU, US, WE, YOU NOW TO BE WITH OUR TRUTH THAT ARE IN HARM'S WAY.
BE WITH OUR LEADERS OF OUR NATION, AND ALSO BE WITH US TODAY AS WE DO THE BUSINESS OF OUR COUNTY, THAT YOU'LL LOOK UPON US WITH FAVOR.
IGI, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC BEFORE WE STANDS TO ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY.
I ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
NOW, WHEN DID THEY, THE JUDGE WAS THE MAYBANK CITY HALL.
THAT'S WHERE THE JUDGE ARE SITTING ON THE STEPS.
SHOULDA WON SOME, RIGHT? MY WIFE WANTED, MY WIFE WANTED, UH, LIGHTS ON, ON MY LITTLE CAR.
GOT THAT LITTLE SEVEN 50 GENERATOR PUT ON THE BACK, GOT HALFWAY THROUGH THE, AND HIT THE GAS.
A MAYOR TWO, THEY HAD STRING OF LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THEY KEPT REPLACING.
OKAY, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 26TH.
UH, MEETING, UH, ON THE AGENDA SAYS 19TH.
SO WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 26TH.
OUR CORRECTIONS WITH ENTERTAIN MOTION.
SECOND COMMISSIONER, TELL ALL IN FAVOR.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS, UH, MR. JOHNNY COUNTRYMAN, OUR COUNTY TREASURER, AND HE'S GONNA PRESENT THE MONTHLY REPORT FOR YOU.
JUST A REMINDER, LIKE I TOLD Y'ALL IN THE, UH, EMAIL LAST WEEK THAT NO, SEE, TO PLAY EARLY, IT WOULD BE THE COMING, LIKE IT IS MARKS COMING.
WE RECEIVED LESS HALF FROM TAXES AND NOBODY RECEIVED SIGN LAST YEAR.
I SAW AN EMAIL FROM DICK THAT SAID A BUNCH CAME IN AND RIGHT.
TODAY, DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE REASON IS? WELL, THEY, THEY CASHS THEY HAD NOT PAID IN DECEMBER, YEARS LATE THIS YEAR, BUT IT TAX, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO HURRY.
SO YOUR MORTGAGE JUST A LITTLE SLOW THIS YEAR THERE.
DID YOU GET THE OTHER EMAIL FROM DICK THAT SAID A BUNCH CAME IN THAT LAST DAY? NO.
THAT VERY, BUT THERE'S NO REAL INCENTIVE, I GUESS, TO PAY UNTIL, IT'S NOT JANUARY TO PAY UNTIL AGO.
DID WE NOT HAVE A, AN INCENTIVE, AN AN INCENTIVE PACKAGE TO PAY? USED TO HAVE A LONG TIME AGO, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THE COMMISSION BOARD PUT AWAY WITH BEFORE I CAME BACK HOME THIS TIME, BUT USED TO YOU GOT A
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71% OR, OR I GUESS 3%.UH, WHAT DID THAT STOP, DICK? WELL, THE CITY OF KAMAN AND FOUR STOPPED IT TWO YEARS AGO, OR EFFECTIVE LAST YEAR, MAYBE.
UH, THE COUNTY HADN'T DONE IT IN A LONG TIME.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN OVER, PROBABLY OVER 10 YEARS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SOON PRIOR TO THAT, 10 YEARS, THE COUNTY BEEN AWAY, BUT IT PRETTY WELL BEEN DONE AWAY WITH THROUGHOUT THE STATE CORN AND TO BOTH TERMINATED ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR OR TWO AGO.
I THINK THE MAIN REASON FOR THE SLOW PAY IS THE MORTGAGE COMPANIES ARE STRAPPED FOR CASH AND THEY'RE HOLDING ON AS LONG CAN, I THINK NEXT YEAR.
WE JUST REMEMBER OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
WE DON'T NEED TO PAY ANYTHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE PAID SHERIFF'S CARD OFF.
UH, DON'T WORK ON ANY ROADS TILL AFTER, UNTIL JANUARY.
YOU SAY WE'VE CONTACTED THREE OR FOUR MORTGAGE COMPANIES AND THEY ASSURE US THEY'RE GONNA PAY MID-DECEMBER.
SO NORMALLY THEY PAY IN FIRST TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THIS BEING AN ISSUE.
WELL, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED LIKE 6.2 MILLION.
DON'T REMEMBER THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED, BUT THINKING HALF UNTIL PRIOR, I'M NOT SURE.
NOTHING CAME IN IN OCTOBER, THOUGH.
IT WAS JUST MOSTLY ALL IN NOWHERE.
THERE WASN'T, I MEAN, THAT WAS A BIG, UH, A BIG PUSH.
UH, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, RECEIVE THAT REPORT.
SO MAY, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BROWN, SECOND BY MR. CO.
UH, DID YOU SEE IF ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REAPPOINTING DR. WILLIAM PORTER AS A LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY COUNTY.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN.
UH, NEXT WE'LL HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING AN ORDER ACCEPTING PETITION FOR CREATION OF WOLF CREEK, FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT OF COLTON COUNTY, AND SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I THOUGHT WE'D PUT ON THE AGENDA TO, UH, RECEIVE THE PETITION.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WANTS TO, UH, SPEAK ON THE, UH, WOLF CREEK? WE HAVE BEVERLY GROSS.
JUST COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
JUST THREE, THREE SIGNATURES ON THESE.
HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? GOOD MORNING.
UH, I'M A CITIZEN OF COUNTY AND I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPOSED, UH, WOLF CREEK DISTRICT.
AND, UH, I WAS AT WANTED TO ASK IF, UH, Y'ALL COULD POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AFTER THE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S HOLIDAY, TO WHERE MORE PEOPLE WOULD FOCUS MORE ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING INSTEAD OF CHRISTMAS AND YEARS.
THE PROBLEM IS, THE LAW SAYS THAT, UH, ONCE THE PETITION IS FILED, THE HEARING HAS TO BE HELD NO SOONER THAN 15 DAYS, NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS.
AND THE 17TH IS THE ONLY DAY THAT, UH, UM, THAT FITS INTO THAT CATEGORY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HERE.
IT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'VE GOT EXCEPT OR ATTEMPT SET FOR THE 17TH.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND.
SEE I DELAY IT FURTHER LONGER.
WELL, THE LAW WON'T ALLOW US TO.
IF WE WERE TO DELAY IT PAST THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE 31ST.
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I GUESS THE WORDING WAS BETWEEN ACCEPTING AND APPROVING.WHAT DID Y'ALL GET A COPY OF THE, UH, ORDER EXCEPT FROM THE PETITION.
HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU PETITION WAS FILED WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ON NOVEMBER 26TH.
I THINK THE 17TH MEETING IS, UH, THE DAY WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING TODAY IS JUST BASICALLY SAYING THE PETITION'S BEEN FILED AND WE'RE SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE.
COMMISSIONER TROOPER MOTION, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S RIGHT.
RIGHT? I STILL SAY BEST FOR PUT INTO IT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE TO, UH, UM, ACCEPT THE PETITION FOR CREATION OF WOLF CREEK, FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT OF KAMAN COUNTY.
AND SET THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR THE 17TH OF DECEMBER AT, WE'LL SET IT AT NINE 30, EVEN THOUGH IT'LL PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 10 BEFORE WE KICK IT OFF.
WE START AFTER NINE 30 MEANS AND THE 17TH? ON THE 17TH.
AND COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THE MOTION THAT I GET A SECOND.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
A UH, NEXT ONE TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ENTERING INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH, FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE BETWEEN THE CITY OF AND
AND WE HAVE, UH, MAYOR, HOW RICHARDS FROM THE CITY OF TER WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT MATTER.
UH, JUDGE, I'LL DEFER IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND TELL DR. TERRY THE DISCUSSION IF I CAN RESPOND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP.
THIS IS IN Y'ALL'S PRECINCT THAT Y'ALL HAD TIME TO STUDY.
WHAT'S GOING ON? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT, IT'S ONLY THING I DO MAYBE DO LIKE WORTH DID INCREASE IT TO HUNDRED PERCENT AND DO IT ON 10 YEARS.
THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE I'VE SEEN.
OTHER, I'M I HERE, I DON'T RAISE THAT ON IT, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THERE WAS A, UH, THIS THING'S GOT MORE TWIST AND TURNS AND, UH, THE DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES GOT IN IT.
UH, MY, MY POSITION ALL ALONG WAS TRYING TO GET IT, UH, ESTABLISHED WHEN WE SET SOME KIND OF PRECEDENT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO GO A WRONG WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL GOT COPIES OF THE STUFF WE GOT FROM
DID STEVE, YOU GOT, DIDN'T YOU? UH, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL PROBABLY WORK.
SOME OF 'EM MAY NOT WORK FOR THAT THING I DO THAT I LIKE.
THEY REALLY, I PERSON, WE'RE READY TO GET INTO, INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT AS THIS TIME, BUT WE COULDN'T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE KIM AND I ARE ON THE SAME, ON THE BOARD DOWN THERE.
WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION ON IT.
SO WE COULDN'T DISCUSS IT WITH ANY OF YOU GENTLEMEN WITHOUT BEING ON, WITHOUT BEING AGENDA.
AND SO I WAS THINKING WHEN WE DID THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT SPELLING OUT TO.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? MIND
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SOME.NOW, TORY, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE AGREEMENT ITSELF, UH, YES, I SURE WOULD.
UH, MARY ION COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ONE STEP IN, IN THE PROCESS.
THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR ATTORNEY, MARY GAIL RAMSEY.
WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONER CLARK, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER SHANE ON GOING THROUGH THE DETAIL OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HAS, YOU KNOW, THEIR INPUT, UH, SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS THAT A ONE KEY COMMENT WAS THE 69 MILLION NOT TO EXCEED THAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION.
BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS IS THE SAME THING, UH, AS THE 50% LEVEL.
WE JUST QUANTIFIED IT WITH A NUMBER OF 69 MILLION.
NOW, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, THERE'S A DOCUMENT BEEN CIRCULATED, UH, FROM MR. CLARK, UH, FROM FORT WORTH.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME TALKING POINTS IN THERE, UH, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT A COUPLE OF THOSE TALKING POINTS, UH, WE AGREE WITH.
AND WE JUST THINK THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, UH, ESTABLISHING A INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT.
ANY INTEREST EARNED WITHIN THE T FUND WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DEDICATED BACK TO THE TIF FUND.
THAT FOR AUDITING PURPOSES, THAT'S VERY CLEAN.
THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT.
AND, UH, THROUGH COMMISSIONER CLARK AND COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT FORT WORTH, THERE WAS SOME, SOME CONCERNS WITH FORT WORTH BECAUSE IN THAT DOCUMENT, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, IT DID NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SUPPORT THAT.
THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, PIECE OF LANGUAGE IN THERE REGARDING, UH, ANY, UH, UH, IN TERMS OF, OF THE PROJECT PLAN, THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW IS, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS. ONCE THE TIFF BOARD IS CREATED, WHICH IT HAS BEEN CREATED, THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS APPOINTED ITS 3, 2, 3 MEMBERS.
THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS SCHEDULED, I UNDERSTAND THAT, TO, UH, APPOINT THEIR TWO, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, POSSIBLY ON NEXT MONDAY IF POSSIBLE.
BUT ONCE THAT BOARD IS, IS ESTABLISHED, THE FIRST BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THAT BOARD IS A PROJECT PLAN.
AND THAT'S THE LIST OF, OF PROJECTS THAT, UH, THAT WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD FOR SOME, FOR APPROVAL, PROJECT PLAN, FEASIBILITY PLAN AND FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE STATE LAW REQUIRED.
THAT'S THE FIRST BUSINESS THAT'LL GO BEFORE THE TIP BOARD.
SO WITH THAT, UH, JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.
UH, WE AGREE WITH IN THAT RESEARCH THAT MR. CLARK HAS DONE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO, IF, IF, IF COMMISSIONER SHANE AND CLARK WOULD LIKE TO INSERT THAT LANGUAGE INTO THAT DOCUMENT, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, AGAIN, SIT DOWN AND SCHEDULE A MEETING.
AND LIKE I SAY, I'D LIKE, WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE PULSE OF THE COURT IS.
BUT WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE SITTING THERE AND WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THE, WITH THE CITY ON IT.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST SOMETIMES JUST MY OPINION, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE JUDGE AT ALL.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE IT HAVE AN AGENDA I WANT SO WE COULD DISCUSS IT.
AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS IN THAT REPORT FROM FORT WORTH, UH, SOME OF THOSE THINGS PROBABLY WON'T WORK.
BUT THE REASON, THE REASON I PUT THEM OUT WAS FOR US TO LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE, SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR, UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF TERRELL.
AGAIN, UH, PART OF, YOU KNOW, SITTING DOWN AND, AND VISITING WITH THE TWO COUNTY, UH, APPOINTEES, UH, AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT TO CUSTOMIZE IT TO TERRELL, A LOT OF THOSE POINTS IN FORT WORTH AND, AND BENBROOK, UH, IS NOT APPLICABLE TO TERRELL AND KAUFMAN COUNTY.
BUT AGAIN, FROM, IN TERMS OF AN AUDITING STANDPOINT, WE AGREE THAT ALL INTERESTS EARNED INTO THE TIF FUND SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TIF FUND.
WELL, AM I CORRECT IN THAT THE SHOULD NOT BE THE FINAL PROJECT PLAN BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BEING
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EXECUTED BY THE COUNTY? WELL, AS A STEP OF THAT, THAT PROCESS, ONCE THE BOARD IS SEATED, THE PROJECT PLAN WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.AND IT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S THE NATURAL STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THE BOARD HAS TO BE COMPLETED, FIR HAS TO BE SEATED FIRST, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE BUSINESS LINED UP WITH THAT PROJECT PLAN.
FEASIBILITY PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN NEEDS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
THAT'LL BE SOME OF THEIR FIRST BUSINESS AT FIRST OF THE YEAR THAT THEY'LL CONDUCT.
BUT THEN THE AGREEMENT SHOULDN'T BE EXECUTED AFTER THAT.
WELL, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, ONCE THE, BETWEEN CITY OF TAROT AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, THEN IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE, AGAIN, THE TIF BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY FOR APPROVAL.
AND MR. MR. KLEIN MAY COULD LEND SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS, BUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY IS BETWEEN, THAT'S A DOCUMENT EXECUTED BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY.
UH, LET, LET'S, LET'S GET OUR EXPERT IN HERE AND LET HIM EXPLAIN THE FLOW OF THAT PROCESS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE, UH, THE TIF BOARD NEEDS TO BE SEATED.
AND THEN THE TIF BOARD WOULD, UH, WOULD APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVE.
BUT WE NEED, BEFORE WE CAN APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT PLAN, WE NEED TO KNOW, UH, WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
'CAUSE THAT ESTABLISHES THE, THE, UH, PERCENTAGES THAT WE USE IN FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.
THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD THEN COME TO THE TIP BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO DEFINE THOSE STEPS AGAIN, LARRY, IF YOU WOULD.
THE, THE, UH, THE TIP BOARD WOULD BE APPOINTED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WOULD BE APPROVED.
THEN ONCE THE TIP BOARD IS ESTABLISHED, THEN THE PROJECT PLAN, FINANCE PLAN, FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, ALL COME TO THE TIP BOARD, THEN, THEN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINANCE.
AND, AND THE STATUTE SAYS THAT THE, THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, THAT WAS, UH, AS IT EXISTS WHEN THE COUNCIL ESTABLISHED A TIF, IT NEEDS TO BE IN SUBSTANTIALLY THAT SAME FORM.
WHEN IT COMES BACK TO FINAL PROOF, THEN, THEN ONCE THAT PROCESS IS DONE, AND THEN THE TIF BOARD CAN MEET AND, AND BEGAN TO, UH, MASSAGE AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR TIME, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROJECT PLAN AS YOU GO THROUGH THE TIME? UH, HOW MANY REPRESENTATIVES ARE THE COUNTY GONNA HAVE ON IS TIP BOARD OFFICIO, BUT THE REGULAR FREE.
AND THOSE TWO WILL BE VOTING MEMBERS? YES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION OF AN EX OFFICIO, NON-VOTING MEMBER, IF WE WISH.
AND THOSE WILL BE, THOSE WOULD BE OPEN MEETINGS, JUDGE.
SO ANY, ANYONE OF COURSE CAN ATTEND.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST THOSE TWO FOLKS.
WE'LL HAVE THREE PEOPLE THERE POSSIBLY SITTING ON THE BOARD, BUT THE TWO THAT ARE DESIGNATED.
NOW, UH, WE HAD HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, UH, IN OUR ANALYTICAL AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WILLING TO GIVE UP ANY SALES TAX TO PUT, UH, BACK INTO THE, UH, TO RETIRE THE TIP QUICKER.
I THINK, JUDGE, THE WAY THIS THING HAS WORKED OUT IS THAT THAT, UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A FAIRLY COMPLEX FORMULA.
THAT'S ALL BEEN, THAT'S ALL BEEN ESTABLISHED.
AND, UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY GAIN.
I, I DON'T THINK TO START CHANGING THE INPUTS THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK THAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER COMPONENT OF REVENUE, THEN I THINK WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, BASICALLY, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO START ALL OVER.
UH, IS THAT, I MEAN, TELL ME IF I'M INACCURATE, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, EXCUSE ME, BUT FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD, WHAT WE PASSED BEFORE WAS JUST A RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNTY WILL PARTICIPATE UP TO UP TO 50%.
AND THEN THAT THE DETAILS WERE GONNA BE WORKED OUT IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
AND THOSE DETAILS WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WOULD DEVOTE INTO THEIR SALES TAX TO PROJECT.
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AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG DEALS THAT, THAT I HAD HEARD FROM THAT, UH, UH, MEETING THAT COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH Y'ALL.AND LIKE COMMISSIONER CLARK SAYS THEY COULDN'T DISCUSS IT AMONG THEMSELVES.
THEY DISCUSS IT AMONG THEMSELVES, BUT THEY COULDN'T BRING ANY OF US IN BECAUSE BE VIOLATION OF THE MEETING.
SO HAD THAT BEEN DISCUSSED, DID Y'ALL, UH, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION ABOUT IT AT ALL? BUT NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF THAT WERE, IF WE WERE TO ASK THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME SALES TAX REVENUE, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS IF Y'ALL, IF A BIG BOX COMES IN OUT THERE AND A BIG SHOPPING CENTER IS OUT THERE, CITY MATERIAL IS GONNA BENEFIT TREMENDOUSLY JUST ON SALES TAX.
BUT PROPERTY TAX IS, I THINK IS, IS, UH, IS AN IDEAL METHOD OF FUNDING THIS BECAUSE PROPERTY TAX IS, IS A STEADY, RELIABLE INCOME STREAM FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING, RIGHT? I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
AND WE WANT TO BUILD THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN ON PROPERTY TAX.
WE WANT TO BUILD THAT FUNDING ON PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXTREMELY RELIABLE AND PROJECTABLE, UH, REVENUE STREAM.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IN THE CITY OF TAR RIGHT NOW IS THAT OUR SALE TAX IS DOWN.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROJECT.
I MEAN, IF YOU THINK BACK TO, I MEAN, YOU EVEN THINK BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED IN, IN ON SEPTEMBER THE 11TH THAT YEAR.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT IS A, IT IS NOT A SOLID FOUNDATION TO BUILD LONG TERM INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ON TO, TO BUILD SALES TAX.
THE OTHER THING IS, WE DON'T NEED IT BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING IN 75% OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES NOW IN THE CITY.
AND THE WAY WE HAVE THIS FORMULATED IS IT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL REVENUE TO PAY FOR ALL INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE THAT'S PROVIDED WHATEVER PROJECT GOES IN OUT THERE IS GONNA BE THERE IN 30 YEARS.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S, THAT IS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHATEVER GOES IN OUT THERE, WHAT, WHETHER IT'S BIG SHOPPING CENTER OR WHETHER IT'S A MOM AND POP DRIVE-IN GROCERY STORE, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE IN 30 YEARS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT UNTIL THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE TIFF IS GONE.
NO, YOU DO BENEFIT FROM THE GET GO.
WE'RE ONLY ASKING YOU TO PUT IN 50% OF YOUR REAL PROPERTY, OF THE INCREASE OF THE INCREASE, BUT ONLY REAL PROPERTY TAX.
AND OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ROAD AND BRIDGE EITHER.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ROAD AND BRIDGE, AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AND INVENTORY TAX.
YOU'LL GET HALF OF THE REAL PROPERTY, YOU'LL GET ALL YOUR ROAD AND BRIDGE OFF OF THE I DOES THIS THERE.
LOCAL AGREEMENT REALLY DOES, DOES THE LEGAL TERMINOLOGY SPECIFY THAT? YES, IT DOES.
I I'M KIND OF SIDE WITH THE JUDGE.
BUT HERE'S THE ISSUE ABOUT TAKING SALES TAX AWAY FROM EACH CITY.
WHEN, WHEN THE OTHER PEOPLE START COMING WITH THEIR TIPS, AND WE START TELLING RIGHT UP FRONT THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEIR SALES TAX AWAY FROM THEM, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT US PRETTY HARD UP HERE.
I THINK WE NEED TO STAY RIGHT WHERE WE'RE AT AND STAY RIGHT ON, ON MARKET WITH DOING IT WITH THE 50% DEAL RATHER THAN GETTING INTO THE CITY SALES TAX.
WE START TAKING AWAY FROM THERE.
THEY CAN'T FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON FOR THE CITY.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FORM SERVICES FOR THE CITY.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT'S MY ISSUE ABOUT, THAT WASN'T QUESTION ABOUT THE SALES TAX THAT THAT CAME UP.
I, I THINK OUR ATTORNEY JUDGE SAID HE WASN'T SURE IF THERE'D EVER BEEN ONE WHERE THEY, THE CITY HAD GIVEN UP THE SALES TAX.
WELL, I ATTENDED THE SETTLE, PUT IT ON BY AN ATTORNEY.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS HAPPENED JUST RIGHT PRIOR TO THE SEMINAR WITH THE CITY OF BASTROP, UH, CONTRIBUTED A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT THE SALES TAX INCREMENT, NOT SALES TAX, WHICH WOULDN'T WORK IN THIS CASE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING SALES TAX OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO INCREMENT WOULD BE LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF US.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
BUT THE KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF IT IS THE MORE MONEY YOU PUT INTO IT UP FRONT, THE QUICKER IT PAYS OFF, THE QUICKER IT PAYS, THEN INSTEAD OF 30 YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IN 15 YEARS, YOU'RE GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE VALUE ON IT, WHICH IS A GOOD THING AND A GOOD THING FOR THE, BUT WE HAVE NO WAY TO PROJECT SALES TAX.
WE HAVE NO WAY RIGHT NOW OF THIS TRIP AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE NO WAY TO PROJECT SALES TAX.
WE, WE CAN PROJECT PROPERTY TAXES PRETTY WELL, BUT WHAT IF WE, WHAT IF WE FUND THIS ON, ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, ALL RIGHT.
BUT THEN PUT A PERCENTAGE OF THE SALES TAX IN THERE JUST TO PAY IT OFF.
EARLIER I EVEN BROUGHT UP THE FACT YOU GUYS MAY GUILTY, BUT IT SAYS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS THING.
I SAID, WHAT IF WE TOOK THAT INCREMENT ON THE ROAD AND BRIDGE TAX AND PUT IN THIS TIFF FUND TO GET PAID OFF EARLIER? THAT'S A POSSIBLE,
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WE COULD DO THE OTHER, THEY CAN DO TAKE, THAT'S THE OTHER WE CAN DO.I LIKE, THAT'S WHY I SAID THERE'S SO MANY TWISTS AND TURNS THAT YOU, YOU KIND OF, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE IT, UH, TOWARD ABOUT GOOD POINT.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE KIND OF, UH, SEQUENCE.
WELL, NOT IN SEQUENCE, BUT YOU HAVE ALSO IN SEQUENCE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO, UH, EVERY AGREEMENT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THAT.
IF YOU'VE GOT A PLACE THAT'S ALREADY GOT SOME SALES TAG COMING IN, YOU COULD DO A SALES TAG INCREMENT, SAY, LET'S TAKE 50% SALES TAX PUT BACK.
THERE'S NOT A CELL TAG COMING THIS SITUATION THAT WOULDN'T WORK AND THAT, BUT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER COULD TWIST AROUND AND GET A PERCENT OF IT.
AND ALSO, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE ANALYSIS BE ON THAT? WHAT WOULD, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE CITY OF TERRELL NEGATIVELY BY DOING THAT? OR ANOTHER CITY, OR WOULD BE POSITIVE? I TALKED TO AUDITOR ABOUT IT.
HE SAID, UH, BASICALLY, UH, I DON'T SPEAK FOR, BUT DID YOU SAY WE'RE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT ANALYSIS? WELL, IT, IT IS.
LIKE THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T PROJECT THAT.
SHANE HAD A QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT IF WE AGREED TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR 10 YEARS BETTER THAN I LIKE THAT IDEA.
GIVE IT UP AND GET OVER WITH QUICKER.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION LEVEL, POSSIBLY REDUCING DOWN THE 30 YEAR DOWN TO A MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE LEVEL AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL.
WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND CHANGE THIS DOCUMENT LATER ON IF WE WANT TO.
WELL THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION I HERE, AND WITH THAT BEING, THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS THAT WE'LL PARTICIPATE UP TO 50%.
SO IF THE COMMISSIONER THAT'S THE RESOLUTION IS WORKING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER BECAUSE WE NEED THAT.
IT'S A DOLLAR NUMBER, NOT A PERCENTAGE.
OH, THAT'S, IT'S BOTH A PERCENTAGE AND A DOLLAR NUMBER.
WHAT WE COULD DO IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT, IS LEAVE THE BOTTOM LINE 69 MILLION FIXED AND ALLOW YOU TO PARTICIPATE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT UP TO THE POINT IN WHATEVER SAID WE MIGHT DECIDE.
BUT ANOTHER ISSUE THAT, THAT, UH, I LOOKED IN HERE WAS THAT THE TIF BOARD ITSELF, AND CORRECT ME I'M WRONG, YOU ON THIS TIF BOARD ITSELF WAS JUST AN ADVISORY BOARD, CORRECT? THEY CAN'T SAY THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES ALL THE DECISIONS.
UH, AND ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS WE GOT FROM SOMEBODY SAID THAT IF, IF THE CITY COUNCIL WENT AGAINST IT, BECAUSE THE TIP BOARD COULD SAY, WE DON'T WANNA DO ANY OF THIS.
THE CITY COUNCIL COULD SAY, WE WANNA DO ALL OF THIS AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO THE BOARD IS LET, IN THEORY IS, IS, LEMME HEAR THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER, UH, FIRST OFF, I, I'M SURE YOU HAVE TOO, AND I, ALL OF US HAVE SERVED ON A LOT OF BOARDS AND ADVISORY BOARDS.
AND I PERSONALLY, I HAVE NEVER BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE THE, THE, THE BOARD AND KNOW THAT MAY HAPPEN.
BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE YOU HAD SOME BOARD RUNNING AMUCK,
WE APPOINTED JOHN DAVIDSON AND, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN TOMMY SPENCER ARE THE ONES WHO ARE OUR APPOINTEES.
NOW, ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS APPOINT, UH, YOUR TWO COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? AND WHAT I REMEMBER IS YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE, UH, SITTING IN THE, IN THE, THE, IN THE JUDGE JEN'S OFFICE, AND WE WERE GOING OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE WERE BEING, HE WAS BEING PRESENTED WITH A LOT OF WHAT IFS.
AND YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID.
ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS, UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF WHAT IF QUESTIONS.
WELL, WHAT IF THE CITY DID THIS? OR WHAT IF THE TIP BOARD DID THAT? AND, AND YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY ADVISED YOU, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER IT COMES DOWN THAT YOU'VE GOTTA TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
AND THERE'S NOTHING, THERE IS NO ACTION THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT'S GONNA PREVENT, UH, FIVE CRAZY PEOPLE ON THIS TIF BOARD, OR FIVE MEMBERS OF THE TAR CITY COUNCIL WHO ARE INSANE FROM DOING SOME INSANE THING.
NOW WE'VE ALL GOTTA OPERATE WITHIN THE LAW AND THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT IS
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TO PUT SOME TRUST IN THE PROCESS AND TO PUT SOME TRUST IN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING APPOINTED.AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE APPOINTED, AT LEAST THE
UH, AND AS, AS, AS MAYOR ANYWAY, I'LL PLEDGE TO YOU MY, UH, INTENTIONS THAT WHATEVER WE DO IS GONNA BE A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY AND A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY.
AND IF, AND THE WAY I CAN, THE WAY I CAN BACK THAT UP IS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PROJECTS OF THE CITY OF TERROLL, OUR, OUR TRADITION IN THIS COUNTY IS TO BRING PROJECTS.
AND WE PARTICIPATED IN A LOT WITH THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY'S BEEN GENEROUS AS FAR THAT DOES, BUT EVERYTHING WE'VE EVER DONE HAS BEEN A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY.
AND WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE? WELL, JUST REMEMBER, WHATEVER WE DO FOR YOU, WE HAVE TO DO CORN, HIM, MAYBANK,
I I I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVERY ONE OF THESE DEALS THAT THESE OTHER CITIES BRING TO YOU ARE GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT Y THAT ONE OF THE, THE CONCEPTS WAS THAT IS TO DEVELOP A SORT OF A UNIFORM METHOD OF DOING THINGS.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND WHEN CRANDALL COMES TO YOU WITH A TIFF OR KAUFMAN OR FORNEY COMES WITH, IT'S GONNA BE SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THE, THE SIZE OF THE TIP IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
THE KINDS OF PROJECTS ARE GONNA FUND OR BE DIFFERENT.
WELL, I REALIZE THAT MAYOR, BUT THE THING WE COMMIT TO YOU, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THINGS THAT THE COURT COMMITS TO YOU, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT SAME COMMITMENT TO, TO THE OTHERS.
AND MAYBE THEIR BOARD MAY NOT BE AS WELL.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE CITY OF TERRELL WILL BACK ANY TIFF THAT COMES IN THIS COUNTY IF IT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR THE COUNTY TAX.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE THAT, THAT, UH, SALES TAX PIECE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD ADVISE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT YOU, YOU, YOU COULD RUN THE RISK OF PIGEONHOLE IN THE COUNTY TO BE SO RIGID WITH, WITH TREATING EVERY CITY THE SAME.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PROJECT PLAN, THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS AND THE FINANCIAL PLAN WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
EACH CITY WILL STAND BEFORE THIS COURT WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
WE FEEL LIKE OUR PROGRAM, OUR TIP IS VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE BASED ON USING PROPERTY VALUATIONS, PROPERTY TAX VALUATIONS.
NOW WITH THAT, WHAT WILL INCREASE THE RISK OF THE TIP IS TO BUILD IN AN UNKNOWN BARREL, BUT THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL, WHICH WOULD BE SALES TAX.
AND KEEP IN MIND, PRIOR TO 2005, CITIES DID NOT HAVE THE LAW DID NOT SUPPORT USING SALES TAX.
THIS IS A NEW TERRITORY WITH USING SALES TAX THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL THAT OBJECTION.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT THAT PROJECTION.
WHICH PLACES MORE RISK IF YOU USE SALES TAX TO PLACE MORE RISK ON THE TIFF.
AND IT'S, IS IT, IT, YOU, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT THAT SALES TAX, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A BETTER POSITION TO STRUCTURE THE TIP TO USE THE PROPERTY TAX VALUATION.
THAT'S MORE CONSERVATIVE, THAT'S APPROPRIATE FROM AN ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE.
TORI, YOU CAN'T BLAME US FOR ASKING
THE QUICKER, THE QUICKER THIS TIP GETS PAID OFF, THE BETTER, MORE BENEFITS.
AND, AND, AND OUR IN OUR INTENTION'S GONNA BE TO GET THAT THING PAID OFF AS FAST AS WE CAN.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS, IS BUILD THIS TIFF ON A FOUNDATION WHERE WE'RE PROJECTING, UH, TOO AGGRESSIVELY.
AND, AND I THINK THE SALES TAX OF THAT IS GONNA BE A RISKY THING.
LIKE ARTHUR SAID, IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY RIDICULOUSLY WHAT WE WOULD ASK FOR THE COMMISSIONER COURT DO.
AND I'LL, I'LL WRAP THIS UP UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE WOULD ASK AS, AS SOON AS YOU COULD TO, TO APPOINT THE MEMBERS OF YOUR BOARD SO THAT THESE GUYS BE GOING.
AND, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, THAT YOU TRY TO GET YOURSELF POSITIONED WHERE WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THIS AS PARTNERS WITH YOU AND GET THIS THING GOING.
I, I THINK THAT THE QUESTION, IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS AND THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE RAISED AT SOME POINT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO JUST GO AND, AND, UH, KNOW
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THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT'S BEST WITH THE COUNTY.I THERE'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY YOU'RE EVER GONNA ANSWER EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE CONTINGENCY AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESTRICTED BY THE AGREEMENT.
WE'RE ALSO, THIS THING IS VERY RESTRICTED BY THE STATE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST DO WHATEVER WE WANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS? TAKE QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOR, UH, IF THEY WANT TO.
YOU SAID THE MEETINGS WOULD BE OPEN.
BUT HOW WILL THE PUBLIC AND US RECEIVE THE AGENDAS? THEY'LL BE POSTED, THE MEETINGS WILL BE POSTED JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
WHERE WILL THEY BE POSTED? I WOULD ASSUME THEY'D BE POSTED AT THE COUNTY AND THE PACIFIC.
SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD FAX 'EM TO EVERYBODY LIKE THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ON THAT LIST 'CAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT IT.
AND I LIKE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THESE MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE AND WHERE THEY'RE BE.
OKAY, JUDGE, IF WE SERIOUSLY WANTED TO GO WITH, UH, MR. SHANE'S SUGGESTION, IT CAME FROM THAT MATERIAL THING ABOUT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
DOES THAT MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO REDO OUR RESOLUTION? WHICH IT STILL ONLY SAYS UP TO.
NO, WE WOULD'VE TO REDO OUR RESOLUTION, WE WOULD'VE TO, WELL, EVEN, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO READ THIS BECAUSE, UH, WELL, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESOLUTION WE PASSED AND IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS MY, MY ISSUE TO, UH, UP TO 50%, THE INTER AGREEMENT HERE SAYS 50%.
DOESN'T SAY UP TO MY POINT, BUT THEY'VE GOT THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE THING WE TALK ABOUT.
Y'ALL SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP ON DOING THIS OR THIS MEETING, OR YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND PUT WHATEVER Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.
UH, MR. SHANE WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT TODAY.
I THINK WE, THERE'S A MOVE FORWARD, THE PROJECT AGREEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW WITH THE COURT THAT ONE ROUTE COULD POTENTIALLY BE TO VOTE ON IT AS AMENDED.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY AMENDMENTS THROUGH, WE CAN MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN VOTE ON IT WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS.
WE CAN THEN INSERT THOSE AMENDMENTS FROM SECRETARY AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, I BELIEVE OUR, TOM HOLLAND TOLD ME THAT WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE THIS AGREEMENT OUT.
I AGREE THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A, A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WHAT HE, HE SAID IN THE MEETING Y'ALL ATTENDED THAT DAY, BUT HE SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME, TO, UH, MAKE ANY SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS TO US AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHEN I VISITED HIM DOWN THERE, UH, AT OUR MEETING, UH, HE SAID THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT YOU, BECAUSE HE SAID BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE, WE'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO A 30 YEAR AGREEMENT THAT HAL AND I ARE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING AT FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
SOMEBODY ELSE IS, HOPEFULLY THEY GOT AS COOL THE HEADS AS HAL AND I HAVE AND EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T TRUST ANYBODY, IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE IN THERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE BINDING THE COUNTY BY THE CITY BY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
IT NEEDS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WELL, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CROSS ALL I'S THAT'S HIGHLY RESTRICTED.
BUT THIS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE DO IS HIGHLY RESTRICTED BY WHAT THE STATE SAYS WE CAN DO.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO REMEMBER.
ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THE CITY CITY? OH YES.
WITH THE, I I I WAS ALSO SUGGESTING HAVING TO WORK, INVITING ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS DOWN SO THEY COULD AT LEAST SIT IN A LESSON TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAYBE HAVE SOME INPUT BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T BE TOO RESTRICTIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING EVERYBODY ELSE OFF TOO.
BE RESTRICTED ALSO, WE WON'T BE SO OPEN.
EVERYBODY'S GOT, IT'S AN OPEN CHECK, BUT Y'ALL COME ON.
IT'S GOTTA BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
Y'ALL'S POINT IS GET IT DONE, GET THE FORWARD CORNER AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN WHERE THEY CAN GET THE OPERATOR.
YES, WE CAN SUPPORT THE BOARD NOW.
I MEAN THAT MEETING WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
IF WE GO AHEAD AND POINT THE BOARD NOW, OR POINT THE GUYS CANOR WANTS TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD AND THEN, UH, UH, HAVE A WORKSHOP, UH, AS COMMISSIONER CLARK, UH, SUGGESTED.
I THINK IT'S, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE, OR WE NEED TO, WE NEED SET THE BOARD OR, OR YOU LOSE THE RIGHT TO SET SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD AND THEN THE BOARD HAS TO COME BACK WITH THESE TO APPROVE THE ENVELOPE AGREEMENT.
SO I'M SAYING THE BOARD SET DO THE ENVELOPE AGREEMENT PRIOR TO THE COURT.
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IS THAT CORRECT? CAN, YES, YOU CAN.SO UNTIL WE NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL FORCED TO SETTING THE BOARD, BUT THE BOARD GO AHEAD AND NEGOTIATE THAT ILA WITH THAT WE HAVE WORKSHOP WITH COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY'S INPUT ON TO WHAT WE WILL WORK, WHAT WON'T WORK.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, BOARD MEMBERS.
IT'S JUST TO, UH, DO THE, WHAT I, WHAT I'VE HEARD JUST SAID LISTENING IS THAT THERE ARE TWO DANGLING ISSUES OUT THERE THAT JUST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU LISTENING, I KNOW COMMISSIONER CLARK AND COMMISSIONER SHANE, WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
THE TWO DANGLING ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY IS POSSIBLY THE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL AND REDUCING THE TIME OF PARTICIPATION 30 YEARS DOWN.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE SEPARATE INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT FOR ALL INTEREST EARNED ON THAT TIFF FUND OVER TIME WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE TIF FUND.
THAT'S CLEAN, THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY OF DOING IT.
FORT WORTH SHOULD HAVE DONE IT THAT WAY.
THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT IN THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND PLACING IT IN THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
THOSE ARE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, AS WELL AS MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER CLARK AND SHANE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO ISSUES DANG.
WELL, I STILL, I HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP THE BACK TO ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE START GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT AGREEMENT, THERE'S 21 PROJECTS'.
WELL, ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, UH, 27 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS GOING TO RESIDENTIAL.
THE IDEAL OF THE TIFF TO ME IS TO, UH, MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FASTER, GET THE MONEY IN QUICKER, GET PAID OFF AND GET IT, UH, IN THE PROJECT PLAN.
UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE MONEY COMING TO THE CITY, NOT BE ANY MORE MONEY COMING TO THE COUNTY.
WHETHER THIS IS INCLUDING THE TIFF OR NOT, INCLUDING THE TIFF.
IT'S IS, UH, HOW MANY MILLION, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WAS FINALIZED? YEAH, I I DON'T, I LEFT, I LEFT MINE.
UH, BUT, BUT WE'VE CALCULATED THAT THE, THE INCOME TO THE TIP FUND THAT, THAT IS GENERATED BY THAT RESIDENTIAL WILL PAY FOR THE PROJECTS THAT SUPPORT THAT RESIDENTIAL PRICE.
BUT IT DOES NOT INCREASE ANY TAX REVENUE TO THE COUNTY OR TO THE CITY.
WITH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ANALYSIS WITH THE TIP WITHOUT THE TIP, THE DOLLAR DOLLAR AMOUNT'S EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO IF YOU DO NOTHING ON IT, YOU GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? IF YOU DON'T, IF WE, IF, IF, IF THAT PROJECT WAS LEFT COMPLETELY OUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WOULD GET EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IN INCOME, THAT'S WHAT THE ANALYSIS SHOWS.
NO, WE, THAT WAS A CALCULATION WITHOUT THE SIX AND WITH THE TIP, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS THAT ONLY THING, IT MAKES IT HAPPEN FIVE YEARS SOONER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, AM I CORRECT THAT SO THAT THAT'S THE ONLY ADVANTAGE TO IT MAKE TO HAPPEN.
FIVE YEARS WITH FIVE YEAR SOONER COMPARED TO 30 YEAR LOAN OR 30 YEAR, UH, AGREEMENT.
UH, 3,200 HOUSES, 3,200 HOUSES AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON TER ISD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
NUMBER ONE, THOSE DON'T ALL COME AT ONE TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY OCCUR OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
OKAY? SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT NUMBER OF HOUSES ALL AT ONE TIME.
AND, AND THEN REMEMBER THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ROOFTOPS, YOU DON'T GET ANY RETAIL.
SO YOU NEED THE ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT THE RETAIL, BUT YOU GOT THE ROOFTOPS, UH, THEORETICAL.
IF THEY COME IN THERE WITH LOTS LOAN AND THEN WITH THE HUNT PROPERTY OUT THERE, WHICH IS HOW MANY HOUSES PROJECTED TO 20, 30,000, THOSE TWO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LEVELS.
THE COUNTY WILL GET THE TAXES, BUT THE CITY WILL, THE COUNTY WILL BENEFIT MORE THAN THE CITY.
SO THE, THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IMPACT ON, UH, THE SHERIFF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN LIKE SAY ALL AT ONCE.
BUT THAT IS, THAT'S THIS, THAT'S JUST A POINT IN THE PROJECT AGREEMENT THAT I'M BRINGING UP THAT WE NEED, THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THERE PROBABLY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT.
SO THERE, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT IS, UH, ADVANCING RESIDENTIAL
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DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.BUT THAT DOES HAVE, UH, IT'S SALES TAX, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUICKER.
GETS A TIP PAID OFF FOUR OR FIVE, SIX YEARS QUICKER.
JIM, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? NO, I, I I THINK RAY IS, RAY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
UM, I THINK WE JUST SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS REALLY UP TO DATE ON IT.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LOT MORE IN THE WORKSHOP WHAT YOU SAID.
I THOUGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WE WERE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSED THE LOCAL AGREEMENT.
I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WHEN WE SIGNED THIS RESOLUTION, OKAY, THAT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING.
AND THEN WE WERE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS YEAH.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS.
THAT'S WHY I SAID AGO I THOUGHT THERE INTER LOCAL BE A COMPREHENSIVE DETAIL.
MAYBE WE HAD TALKED AMONGST SELVES, MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU ALL, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA ALL SIT DOWN OUR PART, THE BOARD OR WHOEVER.
I SAID WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DISCUSS IT.
WE'RE KIND OF LIVING IN THE GRIEVING, BUT JUST TWO OF THEM IS ALL THREE OF US CAN'T TALK TO.
AND THE WORKSHOP IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALLY SIT DOWN ON TABLE.
YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, RAY MAY BE RIGHT.
I DON'T, RAY HAS A GRASP AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DO, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND TOP THESE THINGS UP.
IN MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF CITY FUNCTIONS, I I COME UP WITH THINGS LIKE IMPACT FEES, SALES TAX, CITY TAXES, FRANCHISE FEES.
WE DON'T GET, THE COUNTY DOESN'T GET THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S YOUR REVENUE.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOUR REVENUE STREAM COMES FROM.
UH, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN.
UH, AND I THINK RAY'S GOT SOME REAL GOOD IDEAS.
UH, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
LEMME MAKE A SUGGESTION THEN GET US OFF CENTER.
UM, WE COULD, UH, PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY TO APPOINT THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE TYPICAL, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP ON TUESDAY.
THAT'S MONDAY, APPOINT THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEN HAVE A WORKSHOP ON TUESDAY.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT BACK ON THE AGENDA TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT ON THE 17TH.
UH, IF WE'VE REACHED AN AGREEMENT ON 11TH, THAT'S, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S NOW COMMISSIONER SHANE, DO IT TODAY.
I I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN Y'ALL, BECAUSE I DID WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS AND THEY'VE GOT ME ALL GOING THAT WAY.
AND, UH, THE THINGS I SEE FROM THEM, UH, THEY TELL ME THERE'S PLUSES AND THERE'S MINUSES.
SO, BUT THERE'S MORE PLUSES TO IT AND IT'S JUST, I GO BACK TO THIS, WELL, IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.
WHERE IS 50% HEMP MAY HAVE TO HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT.
SAME WAY WITH THE, OR THERE'S, WHEN THEY START SITTING DOWN AND FIGURING OUT WHAT PROJECTS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT INTO THEIR, THEIR STUDIES AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT NICHE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PRICE.
AND THE LONGER YOU CARRY THIS OUT, THE HIGHER THE PRICE GOES.
THAT'S, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE 10TH.
AND KEN PROPERTY TAXES DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO A TERRIBLE, SO THE PROJECT WILL BE A SCALE DOWN PROJECT.
UH, SO I THINK THAT IT, IT, LIKE THEY SAY, DON'T TIE OUR HANDS TOO TIGHT.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME LEVERAGE WHENEVER EACH OF THESE OTHER ONES, AND TER IS GONNA UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PEOPLE COME TO US AND THEY WANT A HUNDRED PERCENT, AND IF WE DEAL WITH THEM, THEN THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HEY GUYS, Y'ALL CLASS BY HUNDRED 50%.
WHY'D YOU DO THAT? THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAD WITH THAT'S WHAT THE GUYS TELL ME FROM THE DIFFERENT CITIES I VISITED WITH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, DON'T SIT DOWN AND NAIL SOMETHING DOWN THAT YOU CAN'T, UH, DEAL WITH LATER ON.
MR. MAYOR, ARE THOSE TIME SCENARIOS THAT THE JUDGE LINED OUT, WORK OUT AND WORK FOR Y'ALL? UH, YES.
UH, WE, UH, I THINK MY ONLY ENCOURAGEMENT FEE IS THAT I, IS THAT NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT WHAT COMMISSIONER SHANE IS SAYING IS TRUE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT OVER THE YEARS THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS, THE PROJECT'S GONNA BE, SO EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT THAT YOUR ONLY DECISION IS GONNA BE WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY OR NOT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE, YOUR HONOR, I REALLY DO THINK THAT MR. CLARK'S RIGHT, I I THINK EVERYBODY
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AGREES THAT THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY, RIGHT.AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO STAND ON THE SUN.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WE CAN SEE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES FOR EVERYBODY IF WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE COUNTY TO DEAL WITH, AND OF COURSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PRESS ON AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET, GET US TO THAT CALL.
WELL, I, I THINK THE JUDGE HAS LINED IT OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY, AND LET ME, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT COMING OUT FROM LEFT FIELD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M BEING, I AM BEING, I'M BEING TOLD THAT THAT THE BIG BOX, ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE EVEN IF THERE'S NO TIP.
SO WHY SHOULD WE GIVE UP THAT TAX ORDER IF IT'S COMING ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
AND, AND I, UH, THAT'S WHY I WANT 30 YEARS FROM NOW IS THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONG, ALONG THESE UNDEVELOPED CORRIDORS.
IS THAT GONNA BE THERE IN 30 YEARS? YEAH, I THINK IT PROBABLY WILL BE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE MAGNITUDE AND COST OF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS TO BRING INFRASTRUCTURE TO 'EM, UH, THERE IS NOT ANY WAY IN THE, IN THE FORESEEABLE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT SOMEONE IS GONNA BE WILLING TO, IS GONNA BE ABLE TO FLOAT THOSE COSTS, UH, ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MECHANISM LIKE IT DID.
SO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, Y'ALL ARE STILL GONNA BE GETTING YOUR LITTLE TINY AMOUNT OF TAXES ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
THIS PROBABLY HAS BEEN ANSWERED, BUT EDC IS NOT GONNA BE A PART OF THIS? NO, NO.
OTHER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN I'LL BE COMMUNICATING AS FAR AS PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT GOES.
BUT THESE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL, EDC CANNOT DO TOO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL? NO.
BUT THEY CAN ENFORCE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BRING IN SALES TAGS, BUSINESS TAGS OR WHATEVER, CREATE JOBS, JOBS IF IT WAS CREATE JOBS.
THE TIP ISN'T GONNA LIMIT WHAT THE EDC CAN DO AND VICE VERSA.
UH, DO TABLE THIS, UH, MOTION TO, UH, TABLE.
EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MONDAY SURE.
FOR THAT WORK AND Y'ALL'S PLEASURE.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON FOR THE NEXT MONDAY.
WE TAKE THESE STATES MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS? I JUST WANNA DISCUSS, SAY ONE THING.
I THINK IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS WHOLE COURT IS ALL FOR THIS.
BUT WE HAVE A DUE DILIGENCE AND THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE CONTROL THE COUNTY FUND'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND MY PLEDGE, Y'ALL REMAIN THE SAME.
IT'LL BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE COUNTY WANTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HESITANT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING NEW TODAY.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS THAT.
WE'LL SET THAT WORKSHOP AT, UH, ON WHERE? HERE? YEAH, THERE'LL BE A ROOM HERE, THIS SPEAK.
ARE YOU GONNA DUCK AND 10? YES.
NEXT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ANOTHER INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
THIS IS GONNA BE OF PERTAIN TO THE EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTIONS SUBDIVISION AND PERMITS WITHIN THE ETJ AND SCURRY.
WE HAVE THE TOWN OF SCURRY HERE TO SPEAK.
YES, JUDGE, UH, WADE TOWARDS THE TOWN OF SCURRY COMMISSIONERS.
AND, AND YOUR HONOR, WHAT THIS IS, IS THE PROPOSAL TO REVEST TO THE TOWN OF SCURRY, THE ABILITY TO REGULATE WITHIN THEIR OWN ETJ SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, THE TOWN WAS INCORPORATED AN, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS STRUCK WITH THE COUNTY TO ALLOW, EXCUSE ME, THE VEST WITH THE COUNTY, THE ETJ ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THIS IS JUST A REQUEST THAT WE REVEST THAT BACK INTO THE TOWN OF SCURRY, UH, AS WE'VE NOW DEVELOPED SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY LIMITS.
AND WHEN, GO AHEAD AND EXTEND THIS ONTO THE ETJ.
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MOTION COMMISSIONER DUNNER MAKES A MOTION.ANY DISCUSSION MR. MY MOTION? WAIT ON THE ETJ EXPANSION WHERE THEY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE, UH, THE COUNTY NOTIFICATION WHERE THEY EXPAND THEIR ETJ.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T? SO I WAS LOOKING FOR A, I WAS LOOKING FOR A LEGAL ANSWER ON THAT WHILE I GET, GET IT FOR FREE.
WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU'D HAVE TO TALK TO YOUR COUNTY, YOUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR YOUR COUNTY.
I MEAN, WE CAN, IF, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, COMMISSIONER, WE CAN PUT IN SOME LANGUAGE, BUT I, I LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS IN THIS WORLD, THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPOSED TOS WITHOUT ANY
THIS IS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT I SEE, BUT IS THERE NOT ANY, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, WHEN A TOWN INCREASES ITS SIZE AND EXCESS PROPERTY, IT GOES THROUGH THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE TO SEND THAT REPORT TO WASHINGTON DC SO, BUT THEIR ETJ AUTOMATICALLY DOUBLES, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS COME BACK AND AMEND THIS AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE THE NEW TERRITORY THAT'S IN THEIR ETJ.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT HAPPENS? NOTHING.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S STILL THE LAW IS IF WE HAVE AGREEMENT WITH THEIR IN THEIR ETJ, IT STILL, IF IT'S IN THE TJ, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T COME IN AND, AND US INCLUDE THAT IN THE TJ.
I THINK THAT THE, THE RULES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO EXTENDING CITY LIMITS ARE GOING TAKE CARE OF ANY OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ALL THE RULES THAT REQUIRE PETITIONS AND SO ON FOR GENERAL LAW.
AND THEN THE PROCEDURES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY FOR PURPOSES OF MAPPING AND FEDERAL, UH, CENSUS DATA.
ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH JUST BY DEFAULT.
OTHERWISE, THE ANNEXATION WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VALID IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UH, NEXT ONE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER THE FINAL CLAP FOR SHADOW LAKE PHASE THREE AND THAT'S IN THE PRECINCT.
HAVE YOU GOT THOSE STILL IN OUR PACKETS? SURE.
YOU GENTLEMEN, IF I COULD JUST, UH, I DID NOT SPELL MY DAD A BRIEF DESCRIPTION THAT THIS IS A CONTINUING PROJECT AS YOU KNOW, SHADOW LAKES.
UH, THIS IS UNIT THREE THAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY FOR APPROVAL FOR, UH, PLATTING OF UNIT THREE.
THERE'S A 58 RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THIS UNIT.
UM, THERE ARE ABOUT ONE ACRE PLUS IN SIZE, AS YOU KNOW.
SHE LAKES IS A CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN.
UH, ALL THE WATER, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE TO THE PROJECT NOW, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE MET WITH COMMISSIONER SHANE, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO IN REFERENCE TO SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON COUNTY ROAD THREE 15, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR BOUNDARY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BOUND BY WITH OUR DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
UH, WE'RE VERY PLEASED AND, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM ALL THE LETTERS AND ORDER.
DID WE EVER CONSIDER DOING THE CHANGING LANGUAGE ON DIFFERENT POINT ACCEPTING THING THAT CHUCK KIMBRO RECOMMENDED? UH, IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
WELL, WHERE'S THE JUDGE SIGN? RIGHT HERE.
GOING BACK TO THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN OF WE ACCEPTING OR APPROVING? YEAH, IT SAYS APPROVED ON THIS PART SHEET THREE.
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THERE'S ALSO SOME MORE LANGUAGE HE WANTED TO PUT ON THERE.WHAT YOU, BECAUSE ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, EXCEPT FOR WHATEVER THEY NEED, YOU TAKE A LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY ON THAN, THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE A NEW CASE LAW THAT'S COME BACK, THERE'S A NEW CASE LAW.
IT SAYS THE WAY THAT IS WORDED ON THAT FLAT WHEN I SIGN IT.
UH, IF IT'S WORDED A CERTAIN WAY, THEN THE COUNTY AUTOMATICALLY TAKES ON A BUNCH OF RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE NORMALLY IN THE PAST HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN OUT.
AND, UH, SO OTHER THAN JUST ACCEPTANCE OF THE ROADS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S SOLID, IF YOU ACCEPT THE PLANT, YOU MAY BE ACCEPTING THE ROADS AND THE, AND THE DRAINAGE.
WE DON'T WANT THAT POSSIBLY PARKS.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT, UH, ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO, UH, ENSURE THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF PARK AREAS.
UM, AND AS FAR AS ROADS GO, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE PERFORMANCE BONDS, UH, TO GUARANTEE THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH I HAVE PRESENTED, UH, ABLE TO PRESENT ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MAINTENANCE BONDS THAT ARE PUT INTO PLACE AFTER THE, AFTER THE ACCEPTANCE, UH, FOR TWO FULL YEARS AFTER, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE ROADS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERENCING.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME MECHANISMS IN PLACE THAT THAT COUNTY TWO YEARS SECOND.
SECOND, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD? WELL, THAT'S BASED ON YOUR ORDINANCE.
UM, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE PERFORM DO YOU STILL MAINTAIN IT'S A POA DO YOU STILL MAINTAIN? WELL, THEY'RE NOT PRIVATE ROAD, SIR.
THIS IS NOT A GATED SUBDIVISION.
SO THESE ARE COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY EVENTUALLY.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT GOING ON.
SO, BUT IN THIS CASE, ACTUALLY, THAT DOESN'T APPEAR APPLY TO THIS CASE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER CLARK WAS REFERRING TO, WHAT IT SAYS, COUNTY SHOULD NOT NAMES OF PRIVATE STREETS NUMBER NINE.
I KNOW THAT'S CORRECT, BUT THAT'S JUST A STANDARD, UH, NOTATION THAT'S REQUIRED ON THE PLA IN THIS RESPECT THAT THE SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE NOT PRIVATE STREETS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUBLIC.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CA SUBDIVISION BUT, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S JUST A STANDARD ENGINEER REQUIRED PARDON? OF THE EXPRESSION, BOILERPLATE NOTATION.
I'VE NEVER, SAME TIME AFTER HE, HE STILL COME BY AND SEE, BUT HE'S
I, I NEVER EVEN STOPPED AND LOOKED DRIVE HERE AND LOOK AT IT, BUT OH, YOU MORE THAN WELCOME ANY, ANYTIME.
WE'RE REAL PROUD OF THAT OUT THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE WERE JUST, UH, INFORMING THIS DUDE NOTIFICATION WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE PUTTING ON, AND I'M KIND LIKE A JUDGE.
I DIDN'T HAVE THAT WITH, TO SEE WHAT EXACT WORD, BUT LIKE I SAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION, I DON'T TAKE, WON'T, WOULDN'T AFFECT IT EITHER WAY.
WHY NOT? WHY NOT? 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE COUNTY ROADS ANYWAY.
CANYON LAKE ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD.
AM I LOOKING AT THE ROAD? NO, SIR.
UH, IT WILL BE, UM, IT'S CONTINUATION OF THE ADJOINS UNIT TWO, AS YOU KNOW, IT, IT EXTENDS ON INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, THAT ROAD EXISTED UNIT TWO AS WELL.
THEY PUT UP THEIR CONSTRUCTION BARN.
AND THEN AFTER IT'S COMPLETED, THEN IT STARTS THE MAINTENANCE BOND.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE COMMISSIONER INSPECTS IT.
AND IF IT'S UP TO COUNTY SPECS, THEN, THEN HE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT.
AND WE'VE BEEN HERE, THE COUNTY ENGINEERS BEEN AFTER ABSOLUTELY.
WATCHING ALL MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE TO SPEC.
AND THAT'S BEEN A GREAT THING.
WE, WE FOLLOW ALL OUR TESTING REPORTS TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER, UM, COURTESY, COPY THEM FOR REVIEW.
UM, AS FAR AS OUR COMPACTION AND OUR SOIL KNOW PLASTICITY, INDEXES AND ALL THIS THINGS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THERE IS COMMISSIONER, ONE OF THE, UH, WORD CAME UP WITH SOME THESE PRIVATE ROAD SUB, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS ON IT, IT'S PRIVATE ROAD.
IF THE WORDING IS THE WAY THAT CASE LAW SAYS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, IT MAY SAY PRIVATE ROAD OVER HERE, BUT THE COUNTY, THEY APPROVE THE PLA.
IF WE ACCEPTING ON THERE, THEN WE ACCEPT THOSE.
WE ACCEPT THOSE TOO, EVEN THOUGH
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THE MAP SAYS PRIVATE.SO THAT'S WHAT CHUCK WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND WHEN CITY DOES THEIR PLANNING PROCESS, PROCESS, UH, YOU MAY NOT EVER SAY ANYTHING THAT COMES ON, BUT YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ROADS.
I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE.
UM, AS LONG AS THE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED CONSISTENTLY, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE OR NOT, THE ROADS ARE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC.
UM, YOU HAVE SOME ASSURANCES THERE THAT IF FOR ANY REASON THE PRIVATIZATION OF THOSE ROADS BECAME PUBLIC, SAY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION DISSOLVED OR SOMETHING WHERE THE COUNTY HAS TO COME IN, UH, AT LEAST YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A, A SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THE INSPECTION AND THE, THE APPROVAL OF THOSE ROADS AND THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE THE SAME.
UM, THAT'S HOW TYPICALLY THEY'RE DONE.
AND THEN IF FOR ANY REASON THAT PRIVATIZATION BECAME NULL, THEN YOU AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SAME STANDARD APPLIED.
UM, THIS IS NOT THAT CASE WHERE THESE, THIS IS NOT, THESE ARE NOT PRIVATE STREETS.
I'VE NOT SEEN THAT STUFF FROM CHUCK.
WE, WE, WE TAKE THE SAME APPROACH, WHETHER THEY'RE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC, UM, WITH THE SAME SPEC, SAME STANDARDS, AND WE MEET OR EXCEED THOSE CONSTANTLY.
IT'S BETTER FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR STUDENTS.
LEMME GIVE YOU A STORY THAT THAT AFFECTED ME IN MY AREA.
SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS WENT IN AND HAD A FLAT DISLIKE THAT BUILT THIS BIG SUBDIVISION AND THEY SOLD HALF A DOZEN DOUBLE WHITE.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES CONCRETE STREETS.
UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME REACTION TO OVER THE YEARS, I'M JUST ASSUMING, BUT I'M, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS, IT'S ALMOST REACTIONARY.
WHEN SOMEBODY SCREWS UP THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER MECHANISMS IN PLACE.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU COULD GO OUT THERE AND JUST KIND OF LAY A ROAD OUT WITH YOUR THUMB.
I NEVER, I NEVER REALLY KNEW WHEN IT WAS EASY TO DEVELOP.
I, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DIFFICULT.
SO, UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE ROADS WE'RE VERY, VERY, UH, ADAMANT ABOUT MAKING THEM RIGHT.
AND, AND PLAYING BY THE RULES.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THE DEVELOPER, THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS CALL ME.
UH, THE DEVELOPER TOLD ME THAT HE GAVE IT TO YOU.
THAT SAME ONE'S BEEN CALLING ME LAST WEEK.
I SAID, THE FINAL THING IS DEDICATION AND DEDICATION FROM YOU ACCEPTED THE MUD, THEN THEY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, AND THIS IS WHY THIS LITTLE LAW CAME OUT, CAME OUT.
IT'S A LITTLE, ONE WORD MEANS A LOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU IT DID, BUT IT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.
WHAT DO I DO? IN FACT, I THINK PEOPLE SAY IT'S PROBABLY A POLITICAL DECISION.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT 35 HOUSES OVER HERE WITH 70 VOTERS.
WHAT? BUT LEGALLY THAT, THAT'S THE REASON THIS ISSUE'S COMING UP.
WELL, I THINK OUR GOAL ALWAYS HAS BEEN TO WORK CLOSELY, UH, COINCIDES WITH COUNTIES AND THE OFFICIALS.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE IT A WIN FOR EVERYONE.
AND, UH, TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, YOU KNOW, MY JOB IS TO MAKE Y'ALL LOOK GOOD TOO.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT I DO.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO.
AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT.
UH, I GUESS THE FIRST GOOD NEWS IS I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE BLACK.
UH, THE BAD NEWS IS, UH, Y'ALL'S ENGINEER HAD SIGNED THESE.
AND, UH, THEN, THEN THE OTHER GOOD NEWS IS THAT GIVES US TIME TO CHECK, DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT WORDING BEFORE I ACTUALLY SIGNED IT.
THE ENGINEERING IS NOT HERE TODAY.
UH, I WOULD'VE HAD HIM, BUT HE WAS TIED UP WITH SOME OTHER COMMITMENTS.
NO, NO, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST APPROVE IT.
I JUST DON'T SIGN IT UNTIL WE DON'T CHECK THAT WORDING.
AND ALSO, UH, ENGINEER, WE'LL SEE.
COMES YOU GONNA PUT THE WORD, GET THE WORDS ON THERE? YES.
SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLER.
UH, TO APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO THOSE, UM, TWO LITTLE ITEMS ALL IN THURSDAY.
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WE'LL TAKE A MOVE TO MY OFFICE AND, UH, SO THEY'LL BE THERE, READY TO COME IN TO SIGN? YES, SIR.WE'RE ALSO HERE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.
NEXT TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACCEPTING A PERFORMANCE BOND FOR SHADOW LAKES PHASE THREE IN CATON COUNTY PRECINCT THREE.
YOUR HONOR, THIS IS A PERFORMANCE BOND THAT WE HAVE, UH, PREPARED AND EXECUTED, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $604,916 FOR THE PERFORMANCE AND CONSTRUCTION PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE OF THE ROADS IN UNIT THREE.
SHADOW LIGHTS, PHASE THREE PER OUR DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.
UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE ABILITY TO BOND OUR IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY BUILT TWO PHASES.
ONE PHASE IS IN MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW, ANOTHER ONE STILL HAS PERFORMANCE PHASE TWO, AND WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETED THERE FOR INSPECTION.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO A MAINTENANCE BOND ON THAT.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF A PERFORMANCE BOND FOR THE NEXT PHASE.
SO THERE'S SOME OVERLAP, BUT, UH, TYPICALLY THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
THAT AMOUNT WAS, UH, ESTIMATED BY OUR ENGINEER.
UM, AND THEN THE AMOUNT WAS REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND THEN IT WAS APPROVED THROUGH OUR BONDING AGENT.
AND THAT'S FOR 100% OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS NOT A BREAKDOWN OF THE PERCENTAGE OF COST.
THAT IS WHAT IS ESTIMATED FOR THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION FROM TURNING DIRT TO FINAL PAVEMENT AND THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
HOW MANY MILES ROAD IS THAT?
UH, IT'S NOT A VERY BIG PHASE, GENTLEMEN.
UM, THIS IS GOING OUT BY THE LAKE NOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING OUT BY THE BIG 30 ACRE LAKE, PROBABLY A COUPLE MILES A ROAD.
IT'S EXPENSIVE, CONCRETE AS YOU KNOW, STEEL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
WELL, YOU WANT PER MILE, PER PER LINEAR FOOT.
THESE EXCEED A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER LINEAR FOOT ON THE ROAD COST.
SO SOUNDS CHEAP, BUT THAT ADDS UP REAL QUICK.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE ISN'T, ISN'T AN OVERWHELMING ISSUE WITH SHADOW LIGHTS.
IT'S RELATIVELY LEVEL WITH SOME, SOME MINOR.
NOW THE DRAIN RUNS INTO THOSE LAKES, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THOSE, THOSE BODIES OF WATER.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SUBDIVISION GOES, WE'RE WE'RE BLESSED WITHOUT A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES, BAR DITCHES AND, UH, PIPES IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITHOUT.
COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT BOND.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE SIGNATURES.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ON PERSONAL NOTE, LAST TIME I WAS HERE, MY TELEPHONE WENT OFF WHILE COURT WAS IN SESSION AND I WAS SO EMBARRASSED.
I REALLY DIDN'T REMEMBER SHERIFF.
HE'S THE GUY WITH I SURRENDER.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER I APOLOGIZED TO THE COURT AND IF I DIDN'T, THEN I ASKED FOR YOUR, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF MY APOLOGY TODAY.
TELL WHAT THE PARDON ME? THAT'S THE ADDED IN, RIGHT? THAT WASN'T SURE.
I, AND I SAID I JUST, THAT, I JUST RECEIVED THAT THIS MORNING BEFORE COURT.
I THINK PREVIOUSLY WE DISCUSSED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THEY LIKED ABOUT THE COUNTY COMMANDER WAS A POSSIBILITY OF US PUTTING SEWER LINE IN WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT IT MENTION THAT, THAT IN THAT, UH, COVER SHEET, I THINK THE COST PER ACRE IS CORRECT.
ONE TIME I TALKED ABOUT 20 AC COST AC.
LET'S TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
WE CAN, UH, TABLE IT NEXT WEEK.
UH, OR WE CAN TABLE IT AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
WORKSHOP AFTER WE GET THROUGH AGENDA TABLE.
MS. TAYLOR HAS TODAY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER THIRD.
IS THIS, IS THIS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR COPY.
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AND, AND, UH, MAKE COPIES, UH, DIS APPROPRIATE.NEXT WE DISCUSS, CONSIDER MORNING BID ZERO EIGHT DASH OH TWO FOR AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS ROAD MATERIALS FOR ALL THE PRECINCTS.
I BELIEVE GENTLE MAY HAVE A COPY OF THE TAB RELATION.
HOPEFULLY YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.
UH, IN MY PITCH BACK, I PUT ON THE AWARD THAT, UH, DUE TO, UH, QUALITY OF PRODUCT AND AVAILABILITY, WE BE, UH, AWARDING MULTIPLE AWARDS ON THE BID, UH, IN THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW COATED, UH, NUMBERS.
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE LOW BID FOR EACH PRECINCT FOR YOUR AREA.
UH, THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED NUMBERS OVER BE THE, UH, SECONDARY OR ALTERNATIVE, UH, UH, AWARD.
AND I BELIEVE DO GOOD TO DO THAT CASE OF ONE VENDOR THAT MAYBE HAS YOUR CONTRACT IS OUT OF PRODUCT OR THAT PRODUCT IS NOT, DOESN'T MEET YOUR REQUIREMENT FOR QUALITY.
SO I'M, I'M MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THERE AGAIN, AWARDING LOW BID AND THEN ALSO AWARDING TO MULTIPLE SECONDARY VENDORS.
UTILIZE THAT SO WE CAN USE THE SECONDARY VENDORS.
UH, WE CAN, WE, WE USE SECONDARY VENDORS NOT IN LIEU OF, UH, THEM BEING, HAVING MATERIAL, BEING OUT THE QUALITY MATERIAL, BUT, UH, DISTANCE OR FUEL COST.
I ACTUALLY, THE ONES IN YELLOW, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LOWEST PRICE FOR YOUR AREA.
I TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UH, THAT, THAT IS THE LOW PRICE FOR YOUR AREA.
AND THEN THAT THE BLUE IS JUST SOMEONE ELSE, BUT MAY NOT QUITE AS CLOSE.
UH, IN SOME CASES THE BLUE MAY BE A, A CHEAPER PRICE, BUT THEY'RE FURTHER AWAY.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP RECORDS.
UH, JUST SAY THAT YOU HAVE A VENDOR THAT, UH, CLOSE TO YOU THAT IF YOU GO TO A SECONDARY VENDOR, I THINK WE NEED RECORDS SO WE CAN PROVE WHY WE WENT TO THAT SECOND VENDOR.
WHAT KIND OF DO YOU THINK WE NEED? WELL, YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE A NOTE THAT YOUR, YOUR SUPERVISOR CALLED LOW BID.
JUST MAKE A NOTE SOMEWHERE TO TRY TO GET HIM LOW BID AND NOW YOU GO SECONDARY VENDOR.
WHAT HE'S SAYING, WE DON'T BUY FROM, FROM THE, THE LOW VENDOR.
WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY, MAKE A REC RECORD AND JUSTIFY WHEN WE DON'T.
BY THE WAY, WHEN I GET A CALL, WE'LL KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT BUYING FROM THIS GUY
WE TURN THIS RECORD, WE KEEP IT, KEEP IT IN YOUR ROAD BRIDGE BOX.
IT WOULDN'T HURT THEN MAKE A COPY OF IT.
SEND HE SEND ME AN EMAIL MM-HMM
THAT'S JUST, SO WHEN I GET A CALL FROM THE, UH, LOW BIDDER THAT HE'S NOT GETTING ANY BID FROM THE COUNTY, YOUR'S NOT GOOD.
YOU'D HAVE TRUCKS AVAILABLE THAT DAY.
AND SOMETIMES THE CLOSET'S NOT GOOD.
SO YOU WON'T GO TO THE SECRETARY THEN BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT IT AND SEND IT TO.
AND I THINK WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN ALL SAND WHERE, UH, UH, THE PARTY WASN'T SO FAR.
THAT THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT, BUT, UH, IT STILL WASN'T.
AND THAT'S WHY I, I HAD IT IN MY BID.
SO IF YOU'RE SOURCE UP, LIKE WE HAVE SOME GO TO, I HAVEN'T READ THIS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS.
THAT'S, UH, IT SAYS GREENVILLE WILL POINT, THEY JUST BUILT A NEW, UH, ASPHALT PLANT RIGHT OFF OF 20 ON 47TH.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA START, I SEE THEY BID IT.
ONE'S IN GREENVILLE, ONE'S IN WILLS POINTS, BRAND NEW PLANTED OFF THE 20TH, 47.
AND OF COURSE THEY'RE LOW, THEY'RE LOW BID TOO.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AS WELL AT CERTAIN TIME.
ALSO, YOU MIGHT NOTE THAT ON, ON, UH, SECTION TWO, UH, FOR THE CRUSH OF THE ONE THAT UTILITY ROCK AND THEN THE, UH, THREE QUARTER FLEX BASE ON THE DELIVER PRICES TO THE RIGHT THERE, THAT SMITH AND BUSTER, UH, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT BID.
I, I DIDN'T RECOMMEND A WAR BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF OKLAHOMA AND THE FREIGHT RATES PRETTY, PRETTY HIGH.
I, I THINK THAT THE PRODUCT PART, PART OF THE QUOTES, I THINK THE BID CAME BACK PRETTY GOOD.
UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT SOME AREAS BID ONLY PICKED UP.
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OBVIOUSLY FUEL PRICING.I THINK OVERALL THE PRICE FOR THE PRODUCT ARE PRETTY GOOD.
SO I GUESS THE, UH, MOTIONS SHOULD BE TO, UH, EVERYBODY QUESTION, UH, EVERYBODY'S SAFETY WITH THE ON THE BACK.
DID YOU LOOK AT THAT ON THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD? THE ONLY, THE ONLY ONE THAT, UH, I GUESS IT DIDN'T GET ON HERE, BUT IT'S A SOLE SOURCE ANYHOW.
IT'S, UH, P TWO, IT'S HAS A, UH, P TWO SHOULD BE THERE.
IT'S ALREADY IS IT? WHO THE REJUVENATOR IS? THE REJUVENATOR IS, BUT NOT, UH, UH, SECOND, SECOND PRINT.
RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM IS PT REJUVENATOR.
IT'S NOT REJUVENATOR, IT'S ROC.
WHERE? WHERE'S MY FEET TO MAN? IS HE IN YOUR PASTURE? YOU MIGHT FIND IT UNDER, YOU HAD AN ITEM CALLED CAPE OVERS SEAL AND THEN ON THE CAB THEY CALLED IT A PRIME SEAL.
IS THAT THAT WHAT THAT IS OVER THERE? PARDON? IS THAT PRIME SEAL? UM, IT'S AN AUCTION.
I'LL TURN IT INTO THE CAPE OVERS SEAL.
PRIME SEAL WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BID CAPE OVER SEAL.
THE ROC IS WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE OVER SEAL.
BUT IS THERE PRIME SEAL WAS NOT LISTED IN THE BID? I DON'T SEE OVER, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING CLOSE.
PRIME SEAL IS IS AT THE TOP AND WE HAD HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THAT TO CAPE SEAL.
'CAUSE IT BASICALLY WAS THE SAME THING.
AND I GUESS JUST WHENEVER WE DID RELATION, WE DID CHANGE THE CAPE.
I THINK ONE OF THE VENDORS MENTIONED CAPE PRIME SEAL WASN'T THE BID.
YOU BIDDED ON IT AS WELL AS RD SERVICES TOO.
THERE WAS CONTACT QUITE A BIT OF THESE VENDORS.
I THINK THEY SAID WE WERE CALLING, CALLING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CALL ANY MORE DISCUSSION, MAKING SURE WE SURE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, IF YOU MISSING, I THINK TO MAKE THE MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE MAKES THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER LER SECONDS IT.
AND THAT IS TO AWARD THE, UH, UH, CONTRACT FOR BRITISH ROAD MATERIALS.
UH, AS PER THE PURCHAS AGENT'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE WILL, ANGIE WILL INCLUDE A COPY OF, UH, THE YELLOW AND BLUE MARKS WITH MINUTES.
CONSIDER RENEWING OUR MEMBERSHIP WITH THE TEXAS CONFERENCE OF URBAN COUNTIES AND PAYING THE ANNUAL DUE GOOD ORGANIZATION.
THEY INFORM KEEP US INFORMED AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.
UH, AM EMBARK WANTS TO BURY A CABLE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 53.
JERRY, I'M GONNA LET HIM DO IT.
JUDGE, WE NEED SOME PHONES OUT THERE.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
I HAVE ANY LINE ITEM THIS MORNING.
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A, UH, BUDGET.A MEMBER CERTIFYING ADDITIONAL REVENUES IN PUBLIC WORKS WITH A GRANT OF 30 2001 21.
AND WE'RE, UH, BUDGETING THAT FOR EQUIPMENT.
WHEREVER YOU'RE, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ABOUT COMMISSIONER CLARK.
UH, WELL I HAVE JOHNNY SAID THIS MORNING, ARE WE GONNA PAY ANY BILLS TODAY OR JOHNNY GETS THE MONEY? I'M GONNA HAVE TO ADD ALL THESE UP.
CAN'T YOU GIMME THE I THAT I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I I SCREWED UP.
I I SENT THAT CHECK THAT ROC AND I WANT TO TRY IT ONE TIME AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL EXCEED 25,000.
IF IT DOES A GOOD JOB, THEN WE'LL PUT IT ON AND HAVE A SPECIAL ONE ITEM YOU DIDN'T WANNA BID ON THAT ONE 12 CAP THE OTHER DAY.
I TOLD HIM THAT THING AIN'T WORTH A DOLLAR.
NO, MAN, I LAUGHED WHEN I SAW PUT $5,000 MINIMUM BID.
HOLY CHRIST, IF THAT GUY COMES AND BUYS THAT JACK, I'LL BUY YOU A STEAK DINNER.
I LIKE, HE'S ALREADY UP BY THE WAY.
HAS HE REALLY? I I I THINK HE MAY BE THE ONE BLUE UH, TOYOTA CAR AT OUR PLACE.
COUPLE GUYS AT, I GUESS RAY, DID HE, DID HE GET WHAT HE WANTED? GOOD FOR HIM.
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THEY'RE GONNA BUY TWO PRICE.EVERYBODY CAN'T, OOH, YOU KNOW THAT THAT MORTAR GRADER HAS A FAMOUS NAME, YOU KNOW THAT? OH YEAH.
OH, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT.
GEORGE KNOWS WHAT A KNUCKLE BUSTER IS.
THAT ONE, THAT ONE OVER THE PRECINCT.
I SAID THEY ALL THAT OLD 12 KNUCKLE BUSTER.
I SAID WE GOT, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM UH, I THINK RU COUNTY HAD A COUPLE CATER ON A, UH, LEASE PURCHASE WHERE THEY BUY BACK WITHIN ABOUT A MONTH, SIX MONTHS.
BE IN AUSTIN AT A CONFERENCE BASICALLY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO THE HEAVY DUTY WORK IN CONSTRUCTION.
THEY DON'T LICENSE AND THEY CAN GET MARRIED RIGHT THERE.
THEY PREFER TO COME IN, GET A MARRIAGE LICENSE.
IT'S EITHER GONNA COST THEM 60, BUT IS HOW MUCH IS IT COST? SO WE DUNNO.
WHO, HOW ARE WE GONNA VERIFY? ARE THEY GONNA SEND US A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO QUALIFIED? CRAZY.
OH, AND BY THE WAY, THEY ALSO FIVE STAR AWARD THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
THEY'RE GONNA GET, GET WONDERFUL.
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I PROBABLY WOULD SINCE IT'S THEY'RE OUTI LIKE THE ONES THAT SOME WELL SAYING HAD TO REDO THE, REDO THE WHOLE PROJECT.
JUST WHAT WOULD HAVE WE DO THIS TO SAY LET'S JUST USE THESE NUMBERS HERE AND THEN THE TAX INTEREST.
WHAT INTEREST? YEAH, LET'S USE THAT AS A BONUS.
IT'S BE, HEY RAY GOT A POTHOLE.
THERE'S NO, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, I GOT $75,000.
I'M SURE THE CITY OF MCKINNEY WAS ONE TO COLLIN COUNTY.
WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD SAID 85
WELL LOOK WHAT, LOOK, WHAT MY PARTNER GOT FOR IS ANTIQUE MOTOR.
I GOT 700 FOR SIX OLD AND DIDN'T HAVE TO HAUL 'EM OFF.
PARDON? THAT GUY PAID FOR THAT MONEY I THINK IN CONTACT WITH HIM.
TOOK WE JUST THAT LAST SIX FOUR OFF MILLION INTO 15.
THAT 69, YOU SEE THAT UP HERE, RIGHT.
WE WERE REALLY UPSET WITH THAT SWEEPER THOUGH.
70 WON'T, SIX WAS PROBABLY 2015.
WHAT? THIS THING WAS TO KICK OFF 15 YEARS.
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GREAT.ISN'T THAT WHAT Y'ALL, WE SOLD SOMETHING.
LOOKED LIKE IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD.
CONCRETE SHOPPING DONE BECAUSE SO THIS IS, HE MAY NEED TO MENTION THAT TO JOHNNY BECAUSE LIKE THESE BILL HE MAY, THERE'S NO, SORRY.
YEAH, WE'VE HAD HOLIDAYS AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET BACK INTO IT.
IS THAT, DO YOU NEED A, A COPY OF, DO YOU GET A COPY OF THESE EVERY DAY, EVERY MONTH? WE ALWAYS DO.
WE JUST DIDN'T GET ONE LAST WEEK.
HOW DO I MEAN THIS? WHO SENDS IT TO YOU? WE GOT, WE GOT THE, WE CAN MAKE SOME PUT THROUGH THE AGENCY.
NOT THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THE SECOND YEAR GRANT MONEY TO, OH, OKAY.
JUDGE, WHAT WE PAYING CO FOR 51.
I WAS GONNA ASK, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY OUR ANNUAL YEAR.
WHAT WAS THE CHECK NUMBER ON THAT
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FOOT? THAT'S HOW DOWN, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW FAR THAT DOWN.AND THEY HAVE TO GO UNDERNEATH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THE NEXT PART OF THE PROJECT WAY.
THAT HOLDS PROBABLY 20 FEET BY 20 FEET AND IT'S A NINE FOOT HOLE.
SQUARE GOES UNDERNEATH THAT PIPELINE.
THEY GOT GUYS THERE WITH PICK SOME SOMETHING THAT THEY PULLED THAT SLED OUT.
WHAT WAS IT CALLED? AIR CHECK TEXAS CLEAN AIR THIS OR NO, I THINK IT'S EXPENDITURES.
DO THE TESTING SERGEANT OFF HAND.
THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS US TO DO OUR CLEAN AIR TESTING.
IS THAT A MANUAL THING? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO YEARS.
I THOUGHT ALL THOSE FUNDS CAME FROM PASS THROUGH.
SO THE MONEY COMES TO, OKAY, HEY THAT'S, THAT'S PASS THROUGH OTHER WORDS.
STATE SENT US THAT MONEY AND WE'VE SAID AT THE CO AND TODD ADMINISTERED THE PROGRAM THERE OUT THERE.
YOU LIKE TWO THINGS OVER AT THE, THAT WAS ENC.
WHERE IS THIS? I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IF SHE DONE THIS DEAL, GET THE WATER OUT.
I WHAT SIDE? SO IT'S GONNA GO INTO THERE.
THERE, UH, IS THAT A FLOW DOWNHILL? AND IS IT GONNA BE A NATURAL FLOW? DOWN, DOWN GRAVITY.
AND THEY GOT NURSERIES ON THIS
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AND SO THEY OH REALLY? OH, YOU TALKED ABOUT MAKING ROADS.LITTLE MOISTURE IN PUT DOWN THE RAMP.
ROLL WALKER WHEEL INSTEAD OF HAVING WALKER WHEEL GOT THIS YOU.
DID YOU SAY THEY DO THAT HAND BY HAND? YEAH THEY DID.
THEY DID UNDER, WHAT'D YOU SAY WAS THEY DID EVERY ROAD IN ROCKWALL COUNTY BUT LIKE BY HANDMAN CAME ONE ACROSS, DUG UP.
DID YOU SAY IT WAS A THOUSAND A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, 1,250 A FOOT.
SO PIPES GONNA GO UNDER THAT? YEAH.
YOU WALK UP, THIS IS WHAT YOU LOOK AT.
ONCE HE 50 FEET DEEP AND THEY GOT NO, OR THEY DID THAT AFTER MY SECOND REQUEST.
I GOT THEM, PUT THEM UP THERE, MAKE A DETOUR AROUND THAT.
SO THEY DIG UP THE CARRY ROAD AND DO THE SAME THING.
AND SINCE IT TOOK ME TWO WEEKS TO GET HIM PUT UP BARRICADES FRIDAY, I WAS CALLING TO GET BARRICADES SET UP AND SEND HIM A BILL.
THAT POINT I WANT SOMETHING IN WRITING BEFORE THEY STARTED DIGGING THAT ROAD UP.
AND ALSO WHAT YOU WANNA DO TO FIX, I'M LOOKING AT FIVE TO 600.
THIS LIKE THE JUDGES WE DID YOU EVER SEE IF WE HAVE ANY MONEY COMING IN THE FIRST ACCOUNT TO COVER THESE ENGINEERING FEES? FLAT BUYING YOU, YOU MIGHT GET YOUR OUT HERE.
ONE HAD TAKE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
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HE WAS, HE WAS GONNA SELL IT BY THE POUND.THEY STARTED TO GO, THEY WERE GOING TO UH, APAC SOMEWHERE.
I GUESS SOME AX TODAY WHEN I WENT PUT IN THAT NEW TRUCK.
THEY'RE WORKING USING IT TODAY.
DID YOU GET YOUR NEW TRUCK ALREADY, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY GOT IT FRIDAY, DON'T YOU? THAT COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
WHAT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WE APPROVED THAT? YEAH.
WELL THOSE NEW ONES REALLY SURE.
BUT I BEEN HERE, WE PUT A GUY IN ON THEIR MOUTH.
MAKE SURE I GOT YOU SEE WHERE, HOW GOT SET RAISED FOR MILE'S DUE.
I'M RUNNING A GUN TRUCK CHEAPER THAN I BUY
I I KICKED THE CHERRY TODAY OVER ON THREE.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT A COUPLE MORE.
GET ANYTHING ON? IT'S HARD TO, YOU GOT ALL, IT'S HARD TO PUT SOMETHING ON HIS, IT'S HARD TO HIDE STUFF ON THERE.
YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT ON THERE.
THAT'S YOUR THAT'S MY OH, FOR BACK GRADE? YEAH.
GOING WELL BECAUSE THEY WORK DOWN PAY MY BILLS ARE, I MEAN MY WIFE.
WHAT? YEAH, HE TOOK JOHNNY'S WORD.
I TOLD THAT MILEAGE RAISED JUST LIKE OUR PREACHER SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO.
LOOKING OUT FOR IT WORKED WELL.
YOU, YOU GET EXTRA SLEEP WHEN YOU GO TO CHURCH CAMP
JUDGE, DON'T THINK THAT'S HOUR HERE.
THAT'S NOT THE ONE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE MONDAY, TUESDAY, SEE OF CHURCH SUNDAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEND ANY OF THAT WEEK.
WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS.
SO MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER TON.
THANK, UH, SO WE'LL UH, SCHEDULE THAT WORKSHOP FOR 10:00 AM ON TUESDAY THE 11TH.
UH, AND YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY ON THAT TO APPROVE IT? POSSIBLY? NO, THE NEXT MONDAY.
THIS YEAR WE NEED TO SEND IT TO Y'ALL GONNA HAVE AT LEAST TWO IS GONNA HAVE TO COME IN ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.
BIG PARTY STARTING STARTING THIS PARTY EARLY.
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CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT ENTERTAIN.