* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER THINKS THE PRIVILEGE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER TOGETHER, TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. PLEASE LOOK DOWN UPON US WITH FAVOR AND GIVE US THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE CORRECT DECISIONS. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS LIFE GIVING REIGN. UH, WE NEEDED THAT FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU SENDING IT TO US. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE OTHER MANY BLESSINGS THAT YOU GIVE US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. PLEASE HELP BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY. ALL THIS WE ASK IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. I PUT ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL I ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVISIBLE. Y'ALL PREVIOUS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, OR ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. FIRST ITEM, UH, 18TH. RICHARD MURPHY IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT, UH, CLOSED BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE TAX VOTERS AND ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THE, UH, VOTER HELD OF THIS HAS BEEN DEALT WITH WITHOUT MEETING THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, SO IT'S OFF THE TABLE, BUT I NEED TO REQUEST BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR, UH, SALARIES AND SUPPLIES THAT ARE ON. THIS IS THE BUDGET WE JUST WENT IN. THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR. THIS IS JUST CLEANED UP LAST YEAR. OH, IT'S CLEANED UP LAST YEAR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I WAS, I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT. I MIGHT SEVEN. IT'S JUST HOW USUALLY DOES THAT ON HIS OWN? THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, NOT I REMEMBER. YEAH, THAT'S JUST TO CLEAR UP. WHAT IS THE AMOUNT? 70 AND, UH, IS THAT JUST I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. NO. ABOUT SEVEN 300 VOTERS AND ABOUT 8,400 IN, UH, SUPPLIES. 88, 51 IN OFFICE SUPPLY AND, UH, YEAH, 77, 81, 16,000. IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT ACTUALLY, WHEN WE FINALLY GOT THE FINAL NUMBERS. OKAY. 72 8. OH, OKAY. 15. AND THAT'S NECESSARY. HOW, JUST PARDON? THAT'S NECESSARY JUST TO CORRECT THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, JUST TO CLOSE THE BOOKS. YES, YOUR HONOR. COMMISSIONER SHANE SAID YOU'LL MAKE THE MOTION. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SECOND COMMISSIONER ROUND WAS SECONDED. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN A MOTION CARRIES, AND I'LL TRY TO SEE THIS, UH, NEXT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTING COMMITTED TO ASSESS THE NEEDS FOR AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS [00:05:01] CENTER, UH, AND EVALUATE THE FEASIBILITY OF CONVERTING A PORTION OF THE OLD JAIL TO THANK JUDGE. AND WE'VE BEEN IN THIS, WHAT WE CALL NI TRAINING, NATIONAL INSTANT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE NOW TO GET HOMELAND SECURITY GRANTS. AND ALSO IF WE HAVE DISASTER, UH, CERTAINLY OF THE OFFICIALS HAVE TO BE TRAINED IN THAT, OR WE CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT ON THOSE THINGS. SO, OF COURSE, ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THINGS WE NEED, IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF A DISASTER, IS A EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE NOW. UH, WE HAVE A MOUNT MOBILE COMMAND POST, UH, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A TRAILER AND WE CAN'T GET VERY MANY PEOPLE IN THERE. UH, THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE OR USABLE IS THE OLD JAIL. AND WE NEED TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE, I THINK, TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT THE FE OF USING THAT FACILITY IS AND, UH, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DECIDE WHAT WE NEED IN THAT, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED PLANNING THE JAIL, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE OUT THERE, AND SOMEHOW IN THE PROCESS GOT DROPPED OUT. WE WENT TO, UM, UH, NEW VILLE. YEAH. AND SAW THAT THEY'RE BRAND NEW. AND ACTUALLY THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF STILL BUILDING, BUT, UH, THAT WAS A GREAT COMMAND CENTER AND IT DOUBLES AS A CLASSROOM. THEY GOT IT FIXED, SECURED FOR EMERGENCY. BUT, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS USED AS, UH, AS, AS THEIR CLASSROOM ALSO. AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE COULD USE IT AS A CLASSROOM. PARKER COUNTY HAD CONVERTED THEIR IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. WE WENT OVER SOME PEOPLE OVER YARD, RICHMOND, AND SEVERAL PEOPLE. SO WE'VE GOT SOME PLACES WE CAN LOOK AT. I THINK IN CONJUNCTION THE, YOU, I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, ON THERE, IT, I TEACH, UH, AND COMMISSIONER CLARK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, CHIEF RICHMOND ON THERE. AND OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR, YOUR PLEASURE. WELL, I THINK KATHY IS DOING, SINCE SHE IS MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, AND I GUESS ME, SINCE I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, UH, ANY COMMENTS, GUYS OR Y'ALL, Y'ALL TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ALLOW TO GO AND LOOK INTO THAT? I'D A MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, ALL FAVOR, SAY, MOTION CARRIES. AND AUTHOR COMMITTEE, I'LL APPOINT GEORGE CLARK, UH, ALLEN RICHMOND, KATHY MORRIS AND WAYNE. JIM AND JIM, THAT'S A PROBLEM. WE HAVE THREE COMMISSIONS, THREE MEMBERS OF THE COURT ON IT, AND IT'D BE A, EVERY TIME WE MEET YOU COULD BE A, A HOC MEMBER. IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? A WHAT? UH, YOU CAN TELL RICHMOND YOU, ALAN, YOU'D LIKE TO BE KEPT UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. NEXT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN A PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH BILL POSTING TO PERFORM CERTAIN ACTIVITIES RELATED TO PREPARATION OF VOTING EQUIPMENT FOR ELECTIONS IN 2008 AND 2009, AND TO GRANT EXEMPTION FROM THE BID REQUIREMENTS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 6 2 FOR PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS. DICK, UH, YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? JACKIE, YOU IN ON THIS ONE TOO? UH, I HAVE DID, BUT I ADELL COMMENT WHEN DICK DICK BREW. OKAY. WELL, MY COMMENT IS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED THIS WORK DONE, AND THIS GENTLEMAN HAS LEARNED HOW TO DO IT [00:10:01] AND, UH, SO IN FACT HE'S ALREADY STARTED DOING IT. UM, BUT THIS INVOLVES GETTING ALL THE EQUIPMENT READY FOR EARLY VOTING AND THE 40 POLLING PLACES AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ELECTION. UH, JUDGE, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, UH, IF THIS IS GONNA BE OVER 25,000, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT FOR THE ELECTION PERIOD? I DO. IF IT'S JUST THIS ELECTION, IT PROBABLY WON'T BE, I HAVEN'T REALLY PUT A PENCIL TO IT, BUT IF WE GO THROUGH ALL THE ELECTIONS IN MAY AND THEN IN NEXT NOVEMBER IS POSSIBLE, THAT'D BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. QUESTION 25, NOT HAVING A NEED FOR A PERSONAL CONTRACT. UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS, IS THIS INDIVIDUAL, IS THAT, IS THAT HIS SPECIALTY, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACT? GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL. I'LL LET ADDRESS THAT. WELL, THAT'S HIS SPECIALTY. HE HAS A COMPANY, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. WELL, HE IS RETIRED FROM TEXAS INSTRUMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID ALL AROUND THE WORLD. TEXAS INSTRUMENT, NOT EQUIPMENT, BUT ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT. MY CAREFUL, CAREFUL ON PARTIAL SERVICES. WORD, USUALLY FOR SPECIFIED, I WOULD WANNA GET INTO HABIT THAT, THAT WE SEE THAT A LOT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARTIAL SERVICE CONTRACTS OUT THERE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'LL BE INTERESTED WHAT COUNCILS OPINION. I I THINK THAT'S RIGHT FROM, FROM OUR DISCUSSION, UH, UM, NOW THAT MR. MURPHY MENTIONS THAT IF, IF HE ANTICIPATES THAT WE'LL EXCEED 25,000 CRABS O THERE NEEDS TO BE MADE A MODIFICATION THAT, THAT THE RULING TODAY WOULD JUST AFFECT THIS ELECTION. SO IT WOULD COME UNDER THAT. UH, I GUESS THAT'S THE FIRST CONCERN. THE SECOND CONCERN IS, IS, UH, I SHARE YOUR OBSERVATION ABOUT PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACT. WE DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS CIRCUMVENTING THE STATUTE. AND I THINK THAT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S A NICHE MARKET AND THERE REALLY ARE NOT OTHER FOLKS THAT CAN PROVIDE THE SAME OR SIMILAR SERVICES THAT, THAT, I THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST ANOTHER SET OF HANDS FROM WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IT, IT'S A SPECIALIZED THING OF WHICH THERE CANNOT BE SOMEONE EITHER CURRENT EMPLOYMENT THAT CAN DO IT OR, OR THAT YOU, YOU CAN PICK UP A PHONE BOOK AND YOU'VE GOT 20 NAMES OR SOMETHING. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. DID HE HELP US WITH THIS LAST YEAR THAT NO, FOR THIS FIRST YEAR. FIRST YEAR, BUT HE'S GONE WITH TWO CLASSES HELD BY THE VENDOR TO TEACH YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT TO DO, HOW TO DO IT. WELL, IF HE'S BEEN, HOW'S HE BEING PAID NOW? PARDON? HOW'S HE BEING PAID NOW? HE'S NOT UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU AGREE IT, AND THEN, UH, YOU WANNA JUST MAKE IT EFFECTIVE, THEN YOU'LL TURN DOWN A TIME SHEET. , A QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES THIS PASS THE IRS SMELL TEST AS EMPLOYEE VERSUS CONTRACTORS? THAT'S A VERY FINE LINE. WE'RE TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT. UH, THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE AN EMPLOYEE, NOT A CONTRACTOR. THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEP. AND, AND, AND I GUESS THAT COUPLE WITH IT, THAT'S GOING TO EXCEED 25,000 CERTAINLY I THAT, BUT THE IRS PART WOULDN'T NO, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEATING THAT THE IS WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, IF, IF HE'S FREE TO KIND OF SET HIS HOURS WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF A PARTICULAR TASK, AND IF HE'S RENO, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S HARD DATES AS FAR AS THE ELECTION ITSELF AND THE EARLY ELECTION AND SO FORTH. OH, WE DON'T SET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE NOT KEEPING A CLOCK ON HIM AND SAYING, HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY. WELL, HE WOULD QUALIFY AS A CONTRACT LEADER, I THINK. COURSE WE HAVE ONE JOB AND HE'S TO DO THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, HE DOESN'T COME IN AND CHECK IN TODAY AND GO, AND WE DON'T TELL HIM EVERY DAY WHERE TO GO OR WHAT TO DO. PROBABLY THAT PROBABLY THAT'LL BE OKAY. NOW. THERE WILL BE, I GUESS JUST THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ELECTION OF WHEN IT STARTS AND WHEN IT STOPS AND SO FORTH THAT HE'S STUCK WITH, I GUESS. BUT THAT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF US TELLING. IT'S JUST THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT STARTS THIS DAY. IT STOPS THIS DAY ELECTION THIS DAY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING HE ASKED FOR. IT'S SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS NECESSARY. DID HE START ON SEPTEMBER THE 10TH? BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE CONTRACT STAYED. UH, [00:15:01] THAT IT WAS RIGHT IN THERE. HE WENT TO THOSE TWO SCHOOLS. OH, WELL, HE WENT TO THE SCHOOLS TO, TO LEARN HOW TO DO SPECIFICALLY ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. THE HAR IS A VENDOR AND THEY HAD TWO SCHOOLS OKAY. TO TEACH. IN FACT, THEY DID IT FOR A NUMBER OF COUNTIES AND THEY HELD IT HERE. OKAY. BUT I HAD HIM COME TO THE SCHOOL SO THAT HE COULD LEARN TO DO WHAT WE WERE FIXING TO DO. WOULD HE HAVE GONE TO THIS ANYWAY? WELL, HE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT UNLESS I TOLD, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF SOMETHING PROFESSIONAL HE WAS GOING TO DO. AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT SOMETHING OH, WE HAD THREE OR FOUR OF OUR EMPLOYEES THERE. OKAY. AND WE HAD SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT WERE, AND THEN THE SECOND SCHOOL WAS JUST FOR HIM AND COUNSEL. THAT'S MY KIND OF MY QUESTION TOO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DEAL WHERE SOMEONE FROM A RETIRED PARTY OR CIVIC PERSON OR WHATEVER THAT HAS DONE THAT HAD A PROBLEM THAT YOU, IF THEY WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW THAT I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION TOO. THIS HAPPENED BACK IN SEPTEMBER. LAST YEAR'S MONDAY YEAR. THIS YEAR'S MONDAY. BUT I'LL LET SOMEONES HANDLE THAT ON THAT. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED. WHY CAN'T YOU HELP? WHY CAN'T YOU HIRE JUST A TEMP PART-TIME? YOU GOT A REASON FOR THAT? IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS THE WAY TO GO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I GOT THE IDEA. THIS WAS MY DOING. SO DOES ANYBODY KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO FORCE THIS ON, I'M KIND OF LIKE THE COMMISSIONER, BUT CAN WE JUST HIRE HIM AS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HIRE, IF YOU HIRED HIM AS A PART-TIME AND HE'D BE COVERED WITH ALL THEIR INSURANCE, WE WOULDN'T BE COMING OUT THERE DEFENDING WHAT WRONG? TRYING TO RUN OFF HIS INSURANCE. SO IT'D EX I'M, I GUESS EITHER JACK OR OR THE AUDITOR CAN MONITOR THE 25,000. IS THAT A PROBLEM? WELL, IF IT'S AN EMPLOYEE SITUATION. IF HE'S AN EMPLOYEE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. PART, PART-TIME, CORRECT? IF I'M WRONG ON PART-TIME. ISN'T THAT LIMITED? SO MANY, UH, DAYS. PERION, WHERE'S JOHNNY? I THINK, I THINK, UH, BECAUSE I RESENT THE FACT THAT THIS AREA CAME OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE IS NOT YOUR FAULT. SOUND LIKE MY FAULT. LEMME SEE. JUDGES, YOU HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO HAVE PERSONAL VENDETTAS AGAINST CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS COURT THAT BROUGHT UP CERTAIN THINGS, WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE EVERYTHING COME UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. EVERYBODY PROBABLY, EVERYBODY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING, KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I LIKE, I LIKE THE MR. S IDEA ABOUT JUST LETTING HIM ON PARTTIME. WE, WE PUT PEOPLE ON PART-TIME ALL THE TIME OUT THERE AND YEAH. AND LET HIM GO WORKING FOR THREE MONTHS. FIGURE OUT HOW THAT FITS HIS SIDE BECAUSE HE'S, HE WAS TECHNICALLY LAID OFF WHEN THEY SENT HIS DEPARTMENT TO OR TO CHINA, AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO. SO HE'S RUNNING ON UNEMPLOYMENT AND HE'S RUNNING ON THE REQUIREMENT. YOU'LL HAVE TO RUN THAT BY HIM. IT'D BE A TEMPORARY PART TIME UNIT SERVICE CONTRACT OR TEMPORARY HELP. WELL, WE, IF WE DIDN'T PAY HIM UNTIL HE JUST KEPT HIS TIME, WE DIDN'T PAY HIM UNTIL UNEMPLOYMENT. BUT IF YOU SIGN UP TO WORK PART TIME FOOT, I DON'T HAVE A 10 FOOT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK TAKE CARE OF ITSELF JUST NOW, JUDGE, I'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO JOHNNY ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY SINCE HE'S RIGHT NEXT TO ME OUT THERE. TAKE A LISTEN, TALK TO HIM IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TIME TO 30 DAYS AWAY, [00:20:01] BUT HE STILL, HE STILL STILL PAYING PARTTIME, TEMPORARY PART-TIME, WHATEVER. HE'S DOING THE WORK ALREADY. , I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S DIFFERENT. JUST HIRING LANDSCAPER, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE SERVICES FOR PERIOD OF TIME. THAT WOULD BE WHAT I, I THINK HE MAY HAVE TO TALK TO HIM AND SEE IF THAT'S OKAY WITH HIM AND HIS STATUS OF BEING UNEMPLOYED OR UNEMPLOYMENT. JUST, YEAH, WE DO IT. IT'S NOT SERVICE CONTRACT HIRE ANYBODY. WORKFORCE. THIS CONTRACT WASN'T HIS IDEA, FROM MY OPINION. DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT HE'S GONNA WORK UNTIL HIS UNEMPLOYMENT RUNS OUT? NO, THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT. THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS I READ. DON'T, NO, I REALLY HADN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE CONTRACT AT ALL. I JUST WROTE IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT. THAT'S ALL I KNOW. I WOULD SAY LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST, I OFFICIALLY TABLED THIS, BUT UH, IF JOHNNY SAYS THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH BRINGING MONEY AS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S GONNA BE DONE EVERY WAY THEY DO EVERY SUMMER. NO, WE DO, WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR EVERY SUMMER, JOHN JUST WORKING THREE MONTHS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET INTO THE BENEFITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT YEAH, OUR CONTRACT LABOR IS WHAT CAN TELL AS LONG AS IT'S ONLY 25. RIGHT. THAT'D BE THE SIMPLEST YOU GET INTO PARTTIME HEALTH. THERE IS A AMOUNT OF DAYS. YEAH. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, HIRING PROVIDE SERVICE LIKE WE DO ANYBODY ELSE. FENCE LANDSCAPE. ISN'T THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PART-TIME AND TEMPORARY NING HERE? I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BEING PARTTIME AND TEMPORARY. AND THIS IS GONNA BE TEMPORARY. IT'S ONLY BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER UP IN MAY AGAIN. YEAH. BRING BACK THE NEXT MOVE OR NEXT, NEXT MOVE. YEAH. THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT WAS, IT WAS FULL TIME, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, THEY WORKED EIGHT HOURS A DAY, BUT THEY ONLY WORKED THREE MONTHS. OR I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS MOTION MADE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER BILLING. I SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST. ANY MORE DISCUSSION. MOTION CARRIES. AND THAT ITEM WILL BE TABLED. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO JOHNNY AFTER LUNCH, IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS, I SURE WILL. UH, NEXT DISCUSSION. CONSIDER EMPLOYING AN ATTORNEY TO PROCEED WITH THE DOMAIN PROCEEDS FOR FM 34 86. UH, WE, WE, WE HAVE DONE PRETTY GOOD, UH, ACQUIRING THAT RIGHT AWAY, UP TO A POINT. BUT, UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT POULTRY AREA, PEOPLE, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT PEOPLE PROPERTY WAS WORSE. SO MUCH . UH, BUT WE NEED TO, UH, INFORM, UH, MR. MURPHY TO, AFTER THIS RIGHT OF WAY IS PURCHASED FOR 10,000 AN ACRE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE REST OF THAT ACREAGE, THAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL HANG ON TO THOSE SIX OTHER FIVE ACRES IS ONLY 10,000 AN ACRE ANYWAY. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BLATANTLY GOING OUT AND PAYING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR IT. UH, IT I, ME, BUT, UH, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, PRO EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, UH, CONDEMNATION LAWSUITS ON THAT, UH, FOREIGN MARKET. AND, UM, WE TALKED WITH, UH, JOHN AND, UH, JOHN, UH, WE, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND, AND WE'VE ALWAYS HIRED AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO DO THE, THE DOMAIN. AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO, UH, EMPLOY AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO DO THE, IN THE DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS ON 34 86. UH, WE PASSED THIS ORDER LAST YEAR TO, IN THE IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS ON THE CONFLICT ROAD PROJECT. AND AFTER WE, UH, PASSED THE ORDER, THEN WHEN THEY REALIZED WE WERE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT, THEN SOME OF THEM HAVE FINALLY DECIDED TO SETTLE WITH US. UH, SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO APPROACH HERE [00:25:01] AT YOUR PRECINCT. BUT, UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHANE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. ALL MOTION CARRIES AND IT'LL BE THE SAME THAT'S WORKING ON THE, UH, NEXT DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION OF THE COUNTY OF KAUFMAN TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TARIAL TAX IMPLEMENT FINANCE REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE, YOUNG MAN. YOU WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE YOUR SHORT PRESENTATION ON THAT. PLEASE, SIR. I, I'LL TELL YOU THAT IT TOOK ABOUT TWO HOURS TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, BUT, UH, IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, UH, NEEDING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TAX DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION SIDE. HERE'S A COPY OF, UH, ITEM THAT, UH, WE GAVE TO COUNSEL AND CAN WAIVE BACKGROUND. THE, UH, FIRST PAGE THERE JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A FLOW CHART, UH, TO REMIND YOU ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE OVERALL THEORY IS AND THE, THE PROCESS FOR THE TAX AND HUMAN FINANCE DISTRICT. AS YOU KNOW, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE HERE, UH, TO LAY OUT, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY SIGNING AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT. UM, UH, THAT INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IS REALLY, UH, UH, WHAT, UH, GOVERNS HOW, UH, ALL COUNTY FUNDS ARE USED AS PART OF THE TAX INCOME FINANCE DISTRICT, AND THEY GOVERN HOW, UH, THE CITY, UH, INTERACTS WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT. I WANT TO THANK, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, DON THURMAN, WHO'S THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR TAX AND FINANCE DISTRICT. HE'S HERE TODAY. UH, CITY MANAGERS. ED EDWARDS IS HERE TODAY ALSO. UH, UH, THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN SETTING UP, SETTING UP THE, UH, T DISTRICT AND GETTING IN PLACE AS SOON AS WE HAVE A IN PLACE. SO THAT ENABLES US TO START TAKING THESE DEVELOPER APPLICATIONS. AND, UH, THE DEVELOPER WILL COME IN, UM, AND, AND ONE HAS IN THIS CASE AND MADE AN APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY, UH, DO A PROJECT FINANCED BY TAX INCREMENT FINANCE, UH, UH, PROCESS. UH, THAT DEVELOPER MAKES AN APPLICATION TO THE TIF BOARD. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, COMMISSIONER CLARK ARE BOTH ON YOUR FIFTH BOARD. UH, THEY MET AND THEY MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROOF OF THAT. THAT STARTS A 14 DAY WINDOW WHERE WE NEED, UH, COUNTY TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN. YOU ALL REMEMBER THE LARGE PROJECT PLAN, FINANCE PLAN, THAT'S A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT THAT WE, UM, UH, PUT YOU BEFORE YOU EARLIER AFTER IT GOES TO THE COUNTY TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, AND IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, WHAT THAT ALLOWS IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL START SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY, AND THAT'S THE PART I LIKE. THEY SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY, UH, TO PUT UP THE UPFRONT COST OF THE PROJECT. SO AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT APPLICATION, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND ABOUT $7.8 MILLION ON, UH, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC WORKS, THAT SORT OF THING. AS THEY DO THAT, UH, THE VALUE OF THE LAND GOES UP AND THAT CREATES THAT INCREMENT THAT YOU USE, UH, IN THE TACTIC INCREMENT FINANCE PROCESS. UH, ALSO AS THEY, IN LATER YEARS, NOT ANYTHING THIS CURRENT YEAR, BUT AS IN LATER YEARS, THEY START TO PUT BUILDINGS ON TOP OF IT THAT CREATES TIFF REVENUE. AND REMEMBER HOW YOUR TIFF REVENUE SET, YOU'VE GOT 50%, UH, THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY FOR COUNTY USE, NO CLAIM WHATSOEVER OF, UH, ANY, UH, DEVELOPER CLAIM TO IT AT ALL. THE OTHER HALF OF IT GOES OVER TO THE CITY, AND WE HOLD ONTO THAT AS TAX INCREMENT. THAT TAX INCREMENT CAN THEN BE USED BY THE DEVELOPERS TO PAY BACK ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE SPENT ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, THE CITY HAS A 25 75, 70 5% OF OUR FUNDS GO TO THE INCREMENT. WE HOLD 25% AFTER THERE'S ACTUAL REAL MONEY IN THE TIP, THEN THE DEVELOPER CAN BE REIMBURSED, UH, FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE BUILT AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS MONEY WILL GO DIRECTLY INTO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL OF THE MONEY HERE IS MONEY THAT WOULD BE PUT UPFRONT BY THE DEVELOPER AND PAID BACK OVER TIME FROM THE PROPERTY TAXES, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT THEY PAY INTO. ON THE NEXT PAGE, UH, IN THE PACKET, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE APPLICATION FOR TIF FUNDS. YOU CAN SEE WHO THE DEVELOPER IS. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, UH, BOTH BAYLOR HEALTHCARE AND, UH, TRAIL MARKET CENTER ARE COOPERATING ON THE PROJECT. THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT DEVELOPER APPLICATION, UH, SHOWS YOU THE 89 ACRES. THIS IS THE CORNER OF 5 57 AND INTERSTATE 20. YOU CAN SEE ON THERE HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, UH, REGIONAL, REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO NOTE ABOUT THIS IS THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD AS STAFF. THE QUESTION OUR COUNCIL HAD WAS, ARE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS BEING CONSERVATIVE? HERE ARE THE CITY STAFF BEING CONSERVATIVE. [00:30:01] HERE'S THE TIP BOARD BEING CONSERVATIVE HERE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THE TIP BOARD OR THIS PROJECT WILL ACTUALLY GENERATE. A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF BEING CONSERVATIVE HERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE AS IT SAYS, PROJECTION OF VALUE HALFWAY DOWN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET, THERE'S A YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE'S A PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THIS ORIGINAL LARGE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN, THE YEAR OF BUILDING THOSE PROJECTS WAS MUCH EARLIER, 2010 TO 2015, AS OPPOSED TO 2012 TO 2018. THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE PROJECT PLAN. THE FINANCE PLAN AND THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE PROJECT PLAN FINANCE PLAN. IN ADDITION, THIS PROJECT IS NOT TAKING ANY FINANCIAL CREDIT, NO PROJECT VALUE CREDIT FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE BAYLOR TRACK, WHICH IS THE, UM, UH, TRACK THAT'S WRITE UP AGAINST THE 5 57 I 20. SO ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE VERSION OF HOW MUCH VALUE THAT LARGE PARCEL THAT 89 ACRES, UH, COULD GENERATE. IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THAT PAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SUMMARY GOES TO THE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE, LANDSCAPING, WATER, SEWER. THIS IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, SPEND THEIR MONEY THAT NOT, UH, UH, PUBLIC MONEY, NOT COUNTY MONEY, NOT CITY MONEY. SPEND THEIR MONEY UP FRONT, $7,826,483, UH, TO BUILD THE ROADWAY DRAINAGE LANDSCAPE, WATER AND SEWER THAT YOU SEE THERE. UH, AS YOU FLIP ON A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU GO PAST THE SIGNATURE PAGE AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAP. THE MAP SHOWS YOU 5 57, 1 48, INTERSTATE 20, AND THE PARCEL LAND OF INTEREST HERE, THE TERRA MARKET CENTER PORTION IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE. THAT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE PAGE. AND THEN, UH, BAYLOR SITE IS THE ONE ON THE, UH, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE. UH, IF YOU FLIP OVER ANOTHER PAGE, YOU CAN SEE A MEMORANDUM FROM, UH, CORY EDWARDS TO, UH, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND FIFTH BOARD MEMBERS. AND THAT JUST TAKES YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF CHRONOLOGY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE RECENTLY, AND I WON'T BELABOR THAT FOR YOU. BUT YOU KNOW THAT, UM, IN SEPTEMBER, UH, THE TIF BOARD WAS MEETING AND THE COUNTY WAS BUSY APPROVED TO HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT. IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THE NEXT PAGE, IT SAYS, SCHEDULE OF ACTION ITEMS. AND IT GOES THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS THAT WERE HAPPENING HERE IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER RELATED TO TIF. AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, OUR TIF BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND APPROVED THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT PLAN, FINANCE PLAN. THEY APPROVED MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT PLAN FINANCE PLAN. YOU CAN ALSO SEE WE'VE HAD A VERY BUSY CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. 'CAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING, UH, CHANGES TO THIS, UH, PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING A WHOLE SET OF AGREEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON INTERSTATE 20 AND FM 1 48. THOSE AREN'T ITEMS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS TO, UM, UH, BE INVOLVED. AND THAT'S THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE CITY. IF YOU FLIP OVER ONE MORE PAGE IN THE PACKET I HANDED OUT, IT'S THE LAST PAGE IN THE PACKET I HANDED OUT AND IT SAYS, PROJECT PLAN, FINANCE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. THE LAST PAGE IN THE HANDOUT. THIS IS THE, UH, SINGLE PAGE THAT, UH, THE CITY IS ASKING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO TAKE ACTION ON. THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA, THE CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW TO TAKE ACTION ON. AND THIS IS THE ONLY PAGE IN HERE, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, A ROLE IN APPROVING. I BELIEVE YOUR PACKET HAS A COPY OF THE, UH, RESOLUTION, UH, GOT EXTRA COPY OF THAT IN CASE YOU, UH, IN CASE YOU NEED THAT, UH, THE AGENDA, I'M SORRY, THE RESOLUTION ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH IDENTIFIED. I THINK YOU'VE GOT ONE ALREADY. OKAY, YOU'VE GOT ONE ALREADY. PASS ONE. THE, UH, THAT, THAT CITY COUNCIL RELU, OR I'M SORRY, THAT COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT RESOLUTION, UH, TAKES YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE CHRONOLOGY AND THE RAZ AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH THERE AND SAY, IT STARTS OUT WITH RAZ IN OCTOBER 22ND, 2007, UH, THE COUNTY OF KAUFMAN, UH, APPROVED COUNTY SUPPORT FOR THE TAX AGREEMENT FINANCE RE ZONE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE REINVESTMENT ZONE APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, AND IT SAYS, NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE COUNTY HEREBY APPROVES AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE OF THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCE PLAN, UH, AS ATTACHED IN EXHIBIT A. AND THEN THIS PAGE HERE THAT I SHOWED YOU, THAT'S EXHIBIT A. IF YOU READ THROUGH EXHIBIT A, IT SAYS, OKAY, AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. EVERY TIME WE DO AN AMENDMENT TO THIS LARGE DOCUMENT HERE, WE'LL BRING YOU A NUMBER AMENDMENT. SO YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF EACH AMENDMENT TO THE DOCUMENT AND YOU CAN SEE THE DATE OF APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPER, THE DATE OF TIP BOARD ACTION, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND CITY COUNCIL ACTION OBVIOUSLY TO FILL THOSE IN AS THEY, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD [00:35:01] THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND IT'S TRACK NUMBER THREE. REMEMBER WE'VE GOT I THINK, 25 DIFFERENT TRACKS OF LAND IN OUR, UH, OUR ASSEMBLIES PLANNED IN OUR FINANCE DISTRICT. WE WANT KEEP TRACK OF THOSE. THIS ONE'S NAMED RISINGER NORTH. THAT FIRST UH, LINE ITEM THERE THAT SAYS ROADWAYS, UH, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DRAINAGE, $500,000 LANDSCAPE SIGNAGE, $1.5 MILLION T DO 2 MILLION WATER, 500,000 SEWER, 1.5 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF $8.5 MILLION. THAT FIRST LINE ITEM UNDER PROJECT PLAN, THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, DOCUMENT THAT YOU APPROVE. REMEMBER, THAT'S A PLAN. AND SO AS WE WENT THROUGH AND ESTIMATED WHAT MIGHT BE SPENT ON EACH PARTICULAR TRACK, THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE. NOW THAT WE'VE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER COME UP AND MAKE AN APPLICATION, WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE ESTIMATE, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY TALK THROUGH THEM DOING. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE NUMBERS WHERE IT SAYS AMENDED PROJECT LISTING. YOU CAN FLIP BACK THROUGH THE APPLICATION. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE MATCH WHERE IT SAYS RISING OR NORTH AND IT SAYS ROADWAYS, UH, 1,000,248, UH, AND $35 DRAINAGE, 1.4 MILLION LANDSCAPE SIGNAGE, UH, $238,000 T DO ABOUT 4 MILLION. UH, WHAT ARE 3 47 40 $6,000, UH, SEWER $535,000. AND THAT A TOTAL OF THAT $7.8 MILLION THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT SHOWS THE CURRENT CONTINGENCY IS ZERO AMOUNT OF CONTINGENCY WITH AMENDMENT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 45000007.8. AND IT ALSO NOTES A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT THINGS. UH, THE TOTAL CAP ON SPENDING FOR THE ENTIRE TIFF OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE TIP TIP IS THIS 158, UH, MILLION $500,000. THAT'S THAT FIRST LITTLE FOOTNOTE DOWN THERE. THE T CAN NEVER SPEND MORE THAN THIS MONEY. SO THE FIRST $7.8 MILLION WE'RE PLANNING ON SPENDING OUTTA THAT 158 MILLION IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT RIGHT HERE. UH, THE SECOND FOOTNOTE THERE TELLS YOU, UH, COUNTY TOTAL CONTRIBUTION NOT TO EXCEED 64 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ENROLL FOR AGREEMENT. THAT'S WHAT YOU APPROVED AT, AT, UH, AT YOUR MOST RECENT PRIOR MEETING RELATED TO THE TIP. SO THAT'S THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S APPROVAL OF IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO YOU BY YOUR TIF BOARD. AND THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, IS THIS TIP MONEY OR IS THIS DEVELOPER? THE $7,826,483 WILL FIRST BE SPENT BY THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. THE DEVELOPER WILL SPEND THAT MONEY, THEY'LL PUT THEIR MONEY AT RISK, THEY WILL BILL THE ROADS, THE DRAINAGE, THE WATER OR THE SEWER. THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND THEY'LL WAIT. AND EACH YEAR THEY'LL SEE, THEY'LL PAY AN AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES, SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, THEIR COUNTY PROPERTY TAXES, FOR EXAMPLE, WILL BE PAID. HALF OF THOSE WILL GO INTO YOUR GENERAL REVENUE. YOU'LL USE THAT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE YOU LIKE. THE OTHER HALF WILL GO INTO THE TAX RETURN FINANCE DISTRICT, AND EACH YEAR WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AMOUNT IN THE TAX INCREMENT DISTRICT. WE'LL TAKE THE CITY MONEY AND LOOK AT IT TOO. AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE PAID BACK SOLELY FROM THE AMOUNT OF INCREMENT THEY PAID AND THEIR PROPERTY TAXES BACK FROM THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, UH, EACH YEAR. OKAY. DO I, CAN I, JUST TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 20, IT SAYS BAYLOR, IS THAT, DOES THAT POTENTIALLY MEAN BAYLOR HOSPITAL? UH, THE BAYLOR HEALTHCARE DID PURCHASE THAT TRACK. THEY DID ANNOUNCE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT A REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER ON IT. THEY HAVE NO FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO BUILD A BUILDING. RIGHT NOW. ALL THEY'RE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO RIGHT NOW IS TO PARTICIPATE IN DOING THE ROADS AND THE WATER AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT SORT OF THING. I'D LOVE TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU THAT WE HAVE A NEW HOSPITAL COMING IN, UH, TO, TO TERRELL, BUT, UH, I I'M NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT RIGHT NOW. NEXT WEEK? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. JERRY, DO YOU HAVE COME IN? NO, THAT THAT'S FAIR. WE HAVE TWO GUYS HERE ON BOARD. HAVE ANY, I HAD, UH, JUST LOOKING AT YOUR FLOW CHART HERE, THE 14 DAYS, THAT'S NOT A STATUTORY PLAN, BUT THAT THE 14 DAYS IS IN THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT, THAT'S THE 14 DAYS IS IN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT UP HERE, ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THAT IS THAT, UM, THE CITY, UH, PROVIDE A 14 DAY NOTICE TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO TAKING ANY ACTION TO AMEND THE PROJECT CLAIM FINANCE PLAN. SO, UH, WE SENT A LETTER ON, UM, SEPTEMBER THE 23RD, STATING THAT ON OCTOBER 7TH WE WERE INTENDING TO TAKE ACTION. NOW, OF COURSE, [00:40:01] UM, THAT'S ALL DEPENDENT UPON YOUR APPROVAL TODAY. IF YOU APPROVE TODAY, THEN WE'LL TAKE SEVERAL ACTIONS TOMORROW AT CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE TODAY, THEN WE'LL JUST HOLD OFF AND WE'LL WAIT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TIMES WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, BE ABLE, ABLE TO MEET THAT 14 DAY. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND WE ALL, WE WILL JUST TRY TO WORK ON ANY SCHEDULING ISSUES YOU GUYS HAVE FOR US. WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER SHANE SAID WE'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND, AND AS A MATTER OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE THE PERMISSION NOT TO SIGN THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL I GET THE CONTRACT TAKEN CARE OF. , Y'ALL DIDN'T INITIAL THE, UH, THE CHANGE YOU OKAY. WE WILL INITIAL THE CHANGE. YEAH, WHEN THAT, YES SIR. WHEN I GET COMING BACK WITH THE CHANGE INITIALS, I'LL SIGN THE RESOLUTION IF IT PASSES, ABSOLUTELY. YES SIR. THAT DON'T MEAN YOU CAN SIGN IT. I BELIEVE I'LL HAVE MY MAYOR SIGNED SIGN IT ALSO, I NOTICED THAT, UH, DON SIGNED IT ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, INVESTMENT ZONE. AND SO SINCE HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT, HE NEEDS TO INITIAL THAT THOSE TWO CHANGES. ABSOLUTELY. YES SIR. I DON'T WANT 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE'RE ALL NOT HERE. SOMEBODY GO GET THAT AND SAYS, WELL JUDGE JIM MUST INITIAL THAT AFTER THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, UHUH. THAT'S WHY I, TO VERIFY HIS INITIAL. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT, AND SO THAT MEANS THE TWO COPIES THAT YOU HAVE ARE NO GOOD. SO HAVE YOU ALREADY FILE MARKED UP OR THEM OR ANYTHING? I HAVE NO. I'LL FIND OUT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE COPIES THAT GO WITH AND THE COPY THAT'S IN YOUR OTHER FILE OVER THERE, THEY NEED TO HAVE THOSE CHANGES INITIAL. YEAH, I, I'LL WORK WITH, UH, LAURA HUGHES AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOUR ORIGINALS AND WE'LL GET THOSE TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE INITIALLY, OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY CAVEAT I HAVE ON MOTION. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIED. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT DISCUSSION IS CITY GRANTING EXEMPTION FROM TAXATION. PARTS ARE ALL OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF LAND SUBJECT TO SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT 5 0 5 EASEMENTS AND OUR RESTRICTIONS, WE'RE GONNA SPEAK TO THAT. DICK'S NOT HERE. MR. MURPHY REQUESTED, UH, THIS BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AND I THINK IT WAS, UH, BECAUSE OF A LETTER HE RECEIVED FROM A STEVE LIGON, UH, WHO OWNS SOME LAND IN THAT, THE WATER DISTRICT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS BEHIND THE REQUEST. UH, ONLY SIX ACRES. WELL, WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE GENTLEMAN LIVES IN WIND CHASE DEVELOPMENT, DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN THE WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOMEBODY TO TELL ME IF JUST LIVING CLOSE TO THE WATER DISTRICT EXEMPTION FROM TAXATION. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS BEEN DONE. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT EITHER. AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER ONE THING, DAM FOR LETTER. THIS HAVE TO BE ON THIS YEAR. THAT'S IT. NO, THIS IS THE ONE SOUTH. THIS IS NOT. THAT'S ONE CONSERVATION SERVICE. IT'S NOT I 90 AND 95 DAM. WELL, IF MAY NOT BE ONE EVEN THIS YEAR, BUT IF WHEN, AND IF IT EVER NEEDS REPAIRED, WHICH IT EVENTUALLY WILL, IT'S GONNA BE THE COUNTY PAYS FOR. KATHY MORRIS HAS BEEN RESEARCHING THESE DAMAGE. THERE WAS A EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN AND SHE SAID THESE WERE ON THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN. THIS GENTLEMAN JUST LIVED NEXT TO THAT DAM, BUT HE OWNS LAND ISN'T, HE OWNS LAND, NOT INSIDE, BUT NEAR THIS PARTICULAR SOIL. CONSERVATION DAM OVER THERE. DOESN'T PUMP ANY WATER, [00:45:01] NOT PUMP ANY WATER. IT'S JUST TO SLOW THE WATER UP TO SLOW DOWN. YOU CAN'T TELL THERE'S ANY WATER THERE. WEEDS ALL THAT. WAS HE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE RESTRICTIVE NATURE OF THIS, THAT, THAT IT'S CAUSED HIS LAND TO BE, UH, WORTH LESS THAN IT IS? I MEAN, DOESN'T HAVE NO TAX ACCOUNT IS WHAT HE'S ASKING. HE WANTS A TAX EXEMPTION FOR LIVING UNDER, UH, THE NUMBER, NUMBER FIVE. WELL, I, I'M NOT FOR, I DON'T, WITHOUT FURTHER KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK CONVINCE ME THAT IT SHOULD EVER HAPPEN. I THINK MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT I'M AFRAID. IS DICK HERE? I THINK DICK GOT WOULD YOU PLEASE DICK GOT A COUNSEL. DICK GOT I'VE, DICK HAS GOT AN OPINION FROM THE TAX LAWYER AND I THINK HIS STATEMENT WAS LIVING NEAR ONE OF THESE DOES NOT NSTITUTE PROPERTY STATE DECISION. YES. YES. VERY, VERY WELL. YES. YES. IT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION. WOULDN'T SUBDIVISION, THEY'VE THIS, UH, MATTER OF, UH, EXEMPTION FOR FROM TAXATION FOR CARTER, ALL OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF LAND SUBJECT TO SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT 5 0 5, MR. LIGON. I THINK IT'S, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND WE WE CAN'T SEE ANY REASON OR TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND I DON'T FEEL HE QUALIFIED, BUT, AND DID YOU GET, UH, BERGER'S OPINION ON IT? UH, NO SIR. I HAVEN'T. I, UH, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON IT? NO. I READ THE LAW AND IT SOUNDED LIKE IF IT WERE IN THE EASEMENT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A TAX RELIEF. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF HIS LAND MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE IN IT OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND I THOUGHT Y'ALL WERE GONNA JUST TABLE IT TO THE ATTORNEY TO RESEARCH IT. DID, DID YOU NOT SEND ME AN EMAIL SAYING THAT, UH, THE ATTORNEY, THE TAX ATTORNEY SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN IT? NOT NEXT TO IT. I DON'T. I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM YOU. I THINK, WELL, IF I DID, I DID. I DON'T REMEMBER. UM, I, I DUNNO, THE LOSS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE IN IT, LAND IN IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE BE LIMITED. THAT'S IN. BUT I DUNNO IF IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION. WOULD WOULD THE TAX ATTORNEY HAVE, HAVE, I'M SURE HE WOULD. I'LL FIND OUT TALKS TO THE TAX ATTORNEY AND SEE IF HE CAN. UM, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHA. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. THAT ITEM WILL BE TABLE. IF YOU CAN GET JEFF TO LOOK INTO THAT. I'LL HE'LL BE HERE TOMORROW. ALRIGHT. GOOD TIMING. TIMING. GOOD TIMING. AM I ON FOR ANYTHING ELSE? UH, A MINUTE I SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THE TAX SUCCESSOR COLLECTOR HERE. GOT A COUPLE EMPLOYEES WHO WANTED DE OKAY, WELL LET'S GO IN IN ORDER THEN WE WON'T MENTION UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT WANTING TO DE NEXT DISCUSSION. CONSIDER ACCEPTING PAYMENT FROM N-T-M-W-D FOR ROAD REPAIRS IN TON COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER THREE, YES, DEPARTMENT. GIVE THEM SOME MONEY TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF SOME ROADS THAT THEY DESTROYED, IS THEY COME OVER AND WORKED ON US, UH, INSTALLED AND BOUGHT UTILITY LINES AND SO THEY'RE HELPING US OUT WITH MONEY FOR, UH, PRECINCT AND WE APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO THAT DONATION. [00:50:02] SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROUND WILL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THAT AMOUNT BY THE WAY, IS, UH, FOR THE PRESS IF Y'ALL INTERESTED, IS 112,000 292 2. I SAY AGAIN. 1 12 2 92. GOOD JOB. HOW'D YOU GET? 32 CENTS OUTTA IT. NEXT, DISCUSS. CONSIDER APPROVING THE DICTATION FOR ATLANTA CROW. FOR THE COBB COUNTY TEXAS COLLECTOR MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. BE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION, CARRIE. NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPRO THE DICTATION FOR LOWELL SMITH. SMITH FOR THE COUNTY TEXAS SYSTEM COLLECTOR. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TELLER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, EMBARK WANTS TO PUT A LINE DOWN ON COUNTY ROAD 4 0 0 6. AND WHAT YOU SAY? UH, I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE THIS 4 0 0 6 IS IN THE CITY OF MAYBANK. THEY HAVE, UH, UH, ANNEX THE 5 0 5 PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF THAT BIG FRENCH NORTH OF PORT OH SIX OR HARBOR POINT ROAD. REALLY? IN THE CITY? YEAH. UH, SO I DUNNO IF WE SHOULD APPROVE IT OR NOT. JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF IT'S IS ALL THE 4 0 0 6 IN, IN THE CITY. MAYBANK AN INTERESTING POINT. I DUNNO. YEAH, I I QUESTION, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN MAYBANK, WHEN ANNEX THE 5 0 5, UH, THE ANNEX TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD STATUE SAYS THAT WHEN YOU ANNEX TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, YOU GET THE WHOLE THING. SO IT'S THEIR ROAD. IT'S THE CITY OF BAN GEORGIA. I, I, I I DUNNO WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN EITHER. SO I THINK WE BETTER JUST, UH, TAKE NO ACTION. THIS IS, THIS IS THE COUNTRY COUNTY ROAD. 40 15. YEAH, DEFINITELY. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER IT BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ONLY IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, COUNTY ROAD FOUR OAKS DRIVE. FOUR OAKS DRIVE. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROW. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UH, WHAT AND KEEP IN MIND OUR OUR YEAR ENDED AFTER OUR LAST WEEK, RIGHT? OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL CLEANING UP. THIS IS CLEANING UP LAST YEAR, JUST LIKE THAT BUDGET. SO WE HAVE LINE TRANSFERS AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCREASE OFFICE SUPPLY, 2000 UNEMPLOY UNEMPLOYMENT COSTS, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, INCREASE THE EQUIPMENT REPAIRS 3009 28 IN PRODUCTION OF UTILITIES. SHERIFF'S BOND INCREASED GIS MAPPING COSTS AT 14,000 9 9 1 GAS AND OIL 1,855 COMMUNICATION. 15,000 9 31 DUCTION, UH, TO THE OPEN SALARY POSITIONS. AND IN CAPITAL OUTLAY WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN REPAIRS. COUNTY PROPERTY OF 1246 WITH PURCHASE OF PROPERTY PRECINCT TWO INCREASE PARTS AND REPAIRS. $637 IN PRODUCTION OF GAS AND OIL. GOLDEN BRIDGE PRECINCT THREE, INCREASE GAS AND OIL 4,000 4 48 AND INCREASE NEW EQUIPMENT. LEASE PAYMENTS, 1,531 AND RENTAL EQUIPMENT 1003 NINE FOUR. INDUCTION TO ANNUAL TENANT COSTS. YOU HEARD THE REQUESTED LINEUP AND TRANSFERS TO CLEAR UP LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHANE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. YES. LAURA HAS A, DID YOU DO THE REQUEST FOR MARY TABLE ON UM, COUNTY [00:55:01] ROAD FOUR OAK DRIVE FOR WHAT? YEAH, I THE MOTION SECOND. I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO GO OVER THOSE, UM, BILLS. YES SIR. OLD BILLS. IT'S A NEW YEAR FOR SURE. AWAY [01:00:37] BEFORE WAS ISSUED WITHOUT A DOLLAR. NEVER. I BE, UH, WE JUST SIGNED A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT FOR OUR YEAH, JUST NOT GOING DOWN. BUT I HOPE YOU'RE WRONG. . BUT I'D HAVE TO SAY YOU PROBABLY RIGHT THING MY PERSONAL PART ON, I HOPE SHE MISSED IT. DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE, IF THERE'S A BUILDING, NOT ONLY NEED WE HAVE GUARD OR SOMETHING THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A, I TAKE THIS WITH ME OVER THE FOR MATERIALS. [01:05:04] HE SAID WE DO. I TALKED TO PETE TOO THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID WAIT, UH, WAIT A COUPLE MORE WEEKS TO TRY THE TEMPERATURE. I MEAN GROUND TEMPERATURE, THE PROBLEM, GROUND TEMPERATURE. YEAH, SURE. BE HOW WELL YOU SAID BELOW YOU USE IT DOWN THE, DOWN THE FREEZING. YEAH. SO AS SOON AS IT GETS UP, CAN TRY TO, YEAH, FAR DOWN. LOOK AT IT AGAIN. HAVE TO CASH IN CD TO FILL UP MY TRUCK. STOP, STOP, STOP. AND FILL UP SOMEWHERE. THAT'S A LONG WAY TO, THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO GET THERE. PARTY. IT'S THE PARTY. THE THIRD IT'S PARTY. THE PARTY. THE SECOND AND THIRD PARTY, PARTY PARTY. THAT'S WHY JUDGE, I UNDERSTOOD. I JUST HAD TO SAY, SO THE 13TH, NEXT MONDAY, THE 13TH IN RED, CAN WE DISPENSE THIS MONEY? DO WE DISPENSE THIS MONEY? HE DIDN'T GO TO LUNCH. WHO SAID JOHNNY WENT TO LUNCH? I SAID AFTER. OH, HE IS AT, WE UH, HAD A QUESTION. SOCIAL. SO WHICH CONCERN ABOUT THE LEGAL OF SPECIAL SERVICES FOR THIS PARTICULAR OPERATION. HE WANTS ON THE CONTRACT. AND UH, MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T I DIDN'T ASK YOU ABOUT IT. HIM ABOUT IT. OKAY. TO SEE WHY YOU COURT THE THIRD PARTY OR THE SECOND PARTY DO [01:10:01] THE WAY I GOT INVOLVED. HE SAID WE REPORT A IDEA. I THINK, UH, I THIS MORNING'S PAPER WERE SOME OF THE STATE SENATORS, UH, DOWN THERE INCREASED SALARY. JUST GIVE JOHNNY SAYS JUST CONTRACT LATER. CONTRACT. BUT DON'T GET TO PAY, SPEND MORE. I KNOW THE CONTRACT. 25 CUT 20. GIVE CUSHION THERE IN CASE YOU NEED A YEAH, YOU JUST GOTTA HAVE A COMMUNICATION. COME BACK AND SAY CAME OUT, TALKED QUARTERBACK. EVERYBODY WAS RALPH, THIS TOO. YEAH, WE KNOW JEFF STILL COMING. HE COULD BE LAST TIME. THINK TO HIM THIS I ANYBODY BAIL, CAN YOU BAIL OUT ME FOR SOME CHIP AND I NEED [01:15:03] WELL YOU HAVE TO WAIT THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO SEE IT. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I DOWN. I SEE THOSE. I READ JUST COULDN'T MAKE A BAD UP. I'VE GOT A GRANT FOR AUTOMOBILE. THEY'VE GOT A HYBRID HOE AND I THINK I GOT MONEY FROM THE THEM. WELL THE SHERIFFS LAW, IT'S GOTTA BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE BUY SHERIFF SOME CARS THIS YEAR. SOME HE ALREADY HAS SOME. THAT'S NOTS. UH, DID I BEFORE GRANT? GRANT. GRANT I THINK APPROVED FOR THIS GRANT. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY THERE. TAHOE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT STARTS THROUGH THE CLEAN AIR ACT. AND UH, I TURNED IT DOWN AND TURNED THE GRANT DOWN FIRST. PARTICIPATION, PARTICIPATION PAPERWORK. I'VE GOT IT IN THE OFFICE SO I SEE WHAT I NEED. I JUST HAVE TO TELL THEM NOW WHERE NEED PLACED SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SO THAT YOU AND I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WORK OUT. YEAH. [01:20:17] GOT A LIST OF I WHO WANTS PAY THE BILLS. MR. SHANE MAKES THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLARK IT ALL FAVOR. AYE. EVERYBODY WANTS THE, UH, ANYTHING MOTION THIS WEEK. I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU HERE NEXT, WHICH WILL BE THE 13TH. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO, SOME PEOPLE CAN GOING BE HERE STROLLER AND THEY'RE GOING PRESENT THE BEST PRACTICE AWARD IN COURT, WHICH LAST ABOUT THREE MINUTES. ONE THING WE GIVE PERMISSION, TAKE PICTURE OUT THERE. JAIL. THAT DOESN'T BUS. DAVID MILLER WAS THE GUY IN THE, IF THEY TURN DALLAS COUNTY UPSIDE DOWN, AT LEAST GET BETTER ON PICTURE. OKAY. WE PAID THE BILLS AND UH, AND COMMISSIONER WILL MAKE THE AJOUR SECOND. AND BROWN WAS SECONDED. I VOTED TO PAY THE BILL, DIDN'T I? NO, WE VOTED FOR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.