* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] KAUFMAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I WANNA WELCOME COMMISSIONER JC JACKSON WITH US THIS MORNING. UH, I'M GONNA LET MR. JACKSON OPEN US UP THIS MORNING. GREAT. IF HE'D LIKE WITH A SHORT PRAYER. YOU NOTICE I SAID SHORT PRAYER. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANT A SERMON. . AND WE OUR HERE HEAVEN. FATHER, WE COME THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY. WE THANK YOU FOR THESE MEN THAT SITTING ON COMMISSION COURT. WE ASK YOU TO BLESS THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE. AND FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO LOOK UP ON OUR TRUTH TO THE OVERSEAS. EXTEND IN THE DEFENSE OF OUR NATION. BLESS THEM, BLESS THEIR FAMILIES. THEN FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR A BRAND NEW YEAR OF 2009. BE WITH US AND GUIDE US AND KEEP US THIS PRAYER. WE PRAY. YOUR SON. AMEN. AMEN. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH WAS LIBERTY. BE JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE THE ALLEGIANCE TO BE THE TEXAS ONE, SAY, COMING TO GOD ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DULLER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A CARRIES. OKAY. THE FIRST, UH, THING ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SITTING OFFICIAL HOLIDAYS FOR KAUFFMAN COUNTY EMPLOYEES FOR 2009. DO THAT JANUARY 1ST MEETING EVERY YEAR. MOVE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BELLA TO SET THOSE AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT ONE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER, UH, VARIANCE ON SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS FOR KEN ANDREWS INDIAN OAKS SUBDIVISION. AND THAT WOULD PUT THAT IN PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR. YES, SIR. UH, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A LITTLE DESCRIPTION IN YOUR PACKAGE, UH, OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. UH, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE LAST THING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UM, IS THAT WHEN HE DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO SUE ME AND THE COUNTY AND JUDGE TI SAID THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS CLOSED. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, MAKE IT OFFICIAL. THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE. WHAT VARIANCE IS HE, IS HE LOOKING FOR THE WHOLE THING? JUST NOTHING TO DO A FLAT AT ALL. NOT DO A PLA. IS HE WANTING TO SELL THESE ALL AT ONCE OR JUST ONE NOW AND THEN AND ONE NEXT YEAR, ONE AT A TIME? YES. MR. ANDREWS IS HERE. WELL, THESE MOSTLY ONE ACRE LOTS. UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LIST. NO, THERE'S NOT A, UH, LET, LEMME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. DID YOU NOTICE THERE, UH, WE STARTED BACK WHEN THE 2000 SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WERE IN EFFECT, DID NOT REQUIRE A CONCEPT PLAN. WE'VE, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, AND NOW THE 2006 SUBDIVISION REGULATION REQUIRES A CONCEPT. AND WHEN, UH, WHEN HE SUBMITTED THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH YOU HAVE TO ATTACH ME ON, UH, I, I SAID THAT THAT PROBABLY DON'T SUFFICE FOR A CONCEPT PLAN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THE EVENT TOOK PLACE. AND I SAID, WE'LL PUT IT ON COMMISSIONER'S COURT. SO HE, HE NEVER SUBMITTED A CONCEPT PLAN OR ANYTHING AT ALL? WELL, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS HIS, WHAT HE CALLED THE CONCEPT PLAN. OKAY. UM, AND I ASKED HIM TO COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT TODAY, UH, TO LET THE COURT DECIDE. OKAY. SO MR. ANDREWS GO. OH, HE'S RIGHT HERE. YOUR HONOR, I [00:05:01] BELIEVE IT'S BEEN ONE MISUNDERSTANDING. MY NAME'S EVA ANDREWS. I DO OWN PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S INVOLVED. KEN ANDREWS IS MY BROTHER. AND YOUR OFFICE? YEAH. MS. ANDREWS, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE RIGHT PLEASE? AND, UH, OKAY. EXCUSE ME. I MAY NEED TO TURN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. CRIPPLED. I, AS YOUR HONOR KNOWS, I PRACTICED LAW 7 35 YEARS OVER IN HENDERSON COUNTY. THERE'S ONE CORRECTION I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT. FIRST OF ALL, I DO NOT BELIEVE MY BROTHER SAID THAT HE WANTS TO SUE YOU. OUR FRIEND JUDGE GENT, OR THE MEMBER MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONER SCHOOL. I BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID IS THAT HE WANTED TO ENJOY HIS REAL ESTATE DOWN AT PEEL TOWN, SELL OFF PIECES OF LAND AND MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTIONS. NOT SUBDIVIDE, NOT HAVE THE COUNTY PUT OUT ANY MONEY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. UH, NOBODY'S WANTING A LAWSUIT, BUT NOBODY'S BACKING UP FROM A LAWSUIT. SO THAT WAS INCORRECT. COMMISSIONER THAT YOU SAID, MY BROTHER TOLD YOU THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE HE SAID, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WOULD IF HE HAD TO. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? NO, IT'S NOT CORRECT. WELL, WHAT FORWARD? THAT IS NOT CORRECT. WELL, I HAVE THREE PEOPLE IN MY OFFICE AT THAT TIME. IN FACT, THEY EVEN JOKED ABOUT THE RAT POISONING. OKAY, SO LET, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY CAN TESTIFY TO WHAT HAPPENED. I'VE BEEN IN YOUR OFFICE BEFORE. I WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME. OKAY. UH, GENTLEMEN, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS EXERCISE HIS GUARANTEED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ENJOY HIS PROPERTY AS LONG AS HE DOES NOT CREATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE. I BELIEVE INDIAN OAKS GOLF COURSE, ANYBODY THAT STUDIED THE HISTORY OF INDIAN OAKS GOLF COURSE FOR SOME 19 YEARS, YOU THINK ABOUT IT. HOW MANY PEOPLE UP TO 60,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF PER YEAR, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH KAPEN COUNTY? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MAYBE FALCON STEEL OUT HERE OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT, THAT BRINGS AS MUCH MONEY INTO KAMAN COUNTY? AND I BELIEVE IT'S SORT OF NITPICKING. UH, I READ THE STATUTE, I READ IT OVER WITH HIS HONOR. JUDGE JEN, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THE STATUTE TO COME DOWN TO A PLACE LIKE SCURRY, PEEL TOWN, GRACE PRAIRIE VILLE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIGGER PLACES THAN THAT. THIS 10 ACRE SUBDIVISION DEAL. UH, GETTING BACK TO WHAT, UH, YOU SAID COMMISSIONER, IF IN FACT YOU'RE TRUE. I WASN'T THERE. I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ONLY ON ONE INCIDENT. AND I GOT NO GOOD OUT THERE. SO I'VE BEEN TO YOUR OFFICE ONE TIME, BUT NOT, NOT OVER THIS. UH, I'M SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS MY BROTHER'S INTENTION. HE IS NOT. HE LOVES CALING COUNTY. HE WOULDN'T BE DOWN HERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, YOU PLAY GOLF DOWN THERE FOR $13 IN HEAT AND GET A A $5,500 GOLF CART. BOY, HE IS MAKING KILL IT. HE'S MAKING KILL. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SHOWING HIS APPRECIATION OF WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTY. THE PEOPLE WHO COMES THROUGH HERE BY GASOLINE, BY GROCERIES, BUY BEER, BUY WHISKEY, BUY WHATEVER IN KAMAN COUNTY. TELL ME SOME OTHER PLACE THAT'S DONE THAT. NOW WE GET BACK TO SEING OR WHATEVER. THE ROAD THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF THAT PLACE IN, I BELIEVE 1990 WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME. 19 90, 91, 1 FROM JERRY BREWER, BARNEY MURPHY, OR SOME OF THEM WAS COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER. DO, DO YOU KNOW THAT, THAT ROAD THAT HE PAID NEARLY ALL [00:10:01] THE MONEY, IF NOT ALL THE MONEY TO PUT THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE GOLF COURSE? DO YOU KNOW SOME THINGS HE'S DONE DOWN THERE? IF YOU CHECKED INTO THAT? ALL HE'S WANTING TO DO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO GET TO. OKAY. WHAT IS HE WANTING TO DO? THAT'S OKAY. HE WANTS TO SET HIS PROPERTY JUDGE ON AS A NEED BASIS. THAT GOLF COURSE IS NOT MAKING ANY MONEY. AND YOU'D GO OUT HERE AND LAUGH, SAY, WELL, HE WOULDN'T HAVE IT. YOU KNOW, HE WOULDN'T HAVE IT IF HE WASN'T MAKING ANY MONEY. HE'S GOT MONEY. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. BUT ALL HE WANTS TO DO, SIMPLY ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS TO BE ABLE, IF HE NEEDS TO SELL THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, OR ANYBODY HERE, AND WE'RE NOT HERE TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING, IF HE NEEDS TO SELL FIVE ACRES, OR IF I DECIDE I WANT A LOT OVER HERE, A ONE ACRE LOT, OR I WANT A HALF AN ACRE LOT, OR I WANT TO BUY YOUR 10 ACRES TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. AND I'M SAYING HE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE, THE STATUTE YOU'RE RELYING ON, ON THE 10 ACRES. I DON'T THINK IT WILL HOLD WATER. COMMISSIONER DON'T THINK IT WOULD HOLD WATER. HE WANTS TO GET TO THE POINT YOU SAID HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO SELL HIS PROPERTY ON A MEETS AND BALANCED DESCRIPTION. IF I GO OUT AND SAY, I WANT THIS HALF ACRE OVER HERE, I WANT TO BUY LAND. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S GOT THE COUNCIL COMMISSIONER SCORE TO SAY, UH, THIS IS MY LAND. I CAN SELL IT. I CAN GET A SURVEYOR TO SELL YOU, TO SURVEY YOU OFF A HALF ACRE, TWO ACRES, THREE ACRES ON A MEETS AND BALANCED DESCRIPTION AND GIVE YOU A TITLE POLICY TO IT. THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS, JUDGE. HE, HE CARES NOT ABOUT PUTTING IN ROADS, HE'LL PUT IN THE ROADS. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE BIT. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD REQUIRE HIM TO PUT IN ROADS AND YOU UP UPKEEP THEM. YOU COULD PROBABLY GET TO A CONCRETE ROAD AND THAT'D BE UNREASONABLE IN APPEAL DOWN TEXAS, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY EVEN UNDER THE STATUTE GET TO THAT. NOW, HOW COME WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR AN A VARIANCE? THAT'S IT. HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY HIS PROPERTY AND SELL IT OFF. YOU COME DOWN, JUDGE, YOU COME DOWN TO PLAY GOLF AND I THINK YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU PAY $13. $13 FOR A NEW GOLF CART, $13 FOR A NEW GOLF CART, FOR A HAMBURGER, POTATO CHIPS AND A DRINK AND A BOWL OF RED BEANS, YOU PAY $13. UH, IS HE MAKING MONEY? HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE, INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT OF HIS MONEY, HE WANTS TO BE ABLE, IF THIS GOLF COURSE DOES, IS GETTING IN BAD SHAPE TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THERE AND SELL A PIECE OF LAND OFF, PUT IT IN THE GOLF COURSE FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS, MAINLY OF KAMAN COUNTY. NOT LIMITED TO KAUFFMAN COUNTY, BUT DALLAS COUNTY, WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE, AGAIN, PEOPLE COMING IN HERE TRADING, BUYING CLOTHES, BUYING GAS, HEIN, KAMAN COUNTY. OKAY? IT IS GOING TO HELP CAMAN COUNTY ANYWAY. TAXES GOING TO BE PAID. TAXES ARE PAID UP, TAXES ARE GOING TO BE PAID TO CAMAN COUNTY. THIS MAN HAS DONE THIS FOR KAMAN COUNTY WITH NOT A LOT OF THANKS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE HERE TODAY OVER SOME NITPICKING SITUATION LIKE THIS. ALRIGHT. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE STATE STATUTE THAT SAYS IF YOU SELL, IF YOU TAKE A PIECE OF PRODUCT DIVIDED IN TWO OR MORE TRACKS, IT HAS TO BE PLANTED. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS SITUATION DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE STATE LAW. BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE JOHN, OUR LEGAL ADVISOR FOR THE COURT, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH THIS, BUT, UH, IF THE COURT WANTS HIM TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T, I'M I'M TRYING TO GET CLEAR IN MY MIND HOW IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE STATE STATUTE. UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE, JUDGE, THAT WAS LEGISLATIVE [00:15:01] INTENT OF THAT STATUTE. I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THAT STATUTE WAS ONE MAN WENT OUT HERE, BOUGHT 300 ACRES, LAND OR OWN 300 ACRES LAND AND SET OUT TO BUILD A, A SUBDIVISION. IS PEEL TOWN A SUBDIVISION? DO WE WANT IT TO BE A SUBDIVISION? NO. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE. AND I BELIEVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES WILL GO A LITTLE ABOVE YOUR STATE'S STATUTE IN DETERMINING WHETHER A MAN COULD SELL HIS PROPERTY ON A MEETS AND DOWNS SUBSCRIPTION. IF I WANTED TO BUY AN ACRE OF LAND AT PEEL TOWN THIS MORNING, I WOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO POKE OUT THE MONEY AND CARRY THE PAPERS TO THE TITLE COMPANY. I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT. I BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO IT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WAS LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THE STATUTE THAT THE 10 ACRE STATUTE THAT Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS SET UP TO BE INTENDED ON A, A PLACE 12 MILES OUT OF KEMP, TEXAS IN FIELD TOWN TEXT AN UNINCORPORATED CITY, UNINCORPORATED VILLAGE. JOHN, DO YOU THINK THIS RELATES TO ANYTHING THAT YOU AND I JUST WORKED ON WITH THAT, UH, OTHER FELLOW? I, I THINK IT DOES AND, AND I, UH, I WILL SAY THIS, I I DO HAVE CONCERN IN THIS CASE THAT I DID NOT PREVIOUS ONE, BECAUSE IN THE ONE THAT YOU AND I DISCUSSED, COMMISSIONER, THERE WAS JUST ONE TRACK AND ISSUE AND CLEARLY WAS ONE WHERE THERE WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED EITHER THE DEDICATION OF A PUBLIC ROAD OR ALLEY OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED THE STATUTE. AND SIR, I HAVE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, AND I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU, AND I HAVEN'T YES, SIR. THOUGHT THROUGH IT ALL. BUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ALREADY IS THAT, UH, YOU CONTEMPLATE SELLING A NUMBER OF PARCELS AND PROBABLY THE DEDICATION OF ROADS, IT SEEMS LIKE AT, AT SOME POINT, SINCE IT'S NOT SIMPLY ONE TRACK. AND, AND YOU STILL HAVE THAT ISSUE OF THE DEDICATION OF ROADS OF S OH AND SO FORTH, IF NOT ON THE FIRST TRACK, PERHAPS ON THE SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH. AND, AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THE VARIANCE CONCERN SO MUCH THE SIZE OF THE LOTS. I THINK IT CONCERNS THE, UH, THE PLATING THAT'S REQUIRED BASED ON THE DEDICATION. I THINK THAT'S THE, IS IS IS THAT YOUR CONCERN TOO, JUDGE? OH, MY CONCERN IS, UH, THE OWNER OF A TRACK OF LAND, THIS IS, UH, CHAPTER 2 32. MM-HMM . UM, FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ACT, TITLE SEVEN, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS THE OWNER OF A TRACK OF LAND LOCATED OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF A MUNICIPALITY MUST HAVE A PLAT OF A SUBDIVISION PREPARED IF THE OWNER DIVIDES THE TRACT INTO TWO OR MORE. AND IT SAYS LOTS, YOU KNOW, TWO OR MORE LOTS. AND THEN DOWN, UH, IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, DIVISION OF A TRACK UNDER SUBSECTION A INCLUDES A DIVISION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS MADE BY USING MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION IN A DEED OR CONVEYANCE OUR CONTRACT TO BE. SO, I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. HOW DO YOU GET AROUND? THAT SAID, A PLAT IS SUBJECT TO FILING A REPORTING SUBDIVISION OF SECTION 12.002 OF THE PROPERTY CODE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I MEAN, IT SAYS YES, SIR, TWO OR MORE LOTS. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION OR NOT. THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. HOW YOU THAT, YOUR HONOR, THAT HAS NO TIMEFRAME ON IT. UH, I BELIEVE I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU FOLKS BEFORE, AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU HERE TODAY. I, I DIDN'T MENTION ANY DEDICATION AT ALL. NOW, SOMEBODY BACK HERE MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT DEDICATION. DID I MENTION DEDICATION? WE HADN'T ASKED TO DEDICATE ANYTHING TO THE COUNTY. DON'T WANT THE COUNTY INVOLVED. DON'T WANT THE COUNTY INVOLVED. DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE HERE TODAY. BUT THAT AIN'T THAT, THAT SECTION OF THE LAW SAYS NOTHING ABOUT DEDICATION, RAY. IT JUST, I UNDERSTAND IT. IT IS SILENT TO THAT. I UNDERSTAND SILENT THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND GETTING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LER SAID THAT MY BROTHER SAID, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE HE SAID THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SWEARING MATCH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. WORRIED ABOUT GETTING BACK, GETTING BACK TO THAT. WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE THIS OUT IN A HIGHER COURT. YEAH, I MAY HAVE TO, BECAUSE I THINK THE COURT'S GONNA WANT TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STATE LAW NOW. I WANT SAY, OH, I'M READY, I'M READY. WE REALLY, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOUR BROTHER HAS DONE DOWN THERE IS GREAT. I I THINK IT'S A GREAT ASSET THAT KAUFMAN COUNTY AND, AND LIKE I SAID, PARTICULARLY, THERE'S OLD PEOPLE, [00:20:01] BUT, UH, THAT'S JERRY. I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT ME. YEAH. UH, BUT, UH, NO, I THINK IT'S GREAT AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT. UH, AND YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION? YOU CAN, WE MANAGE, WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN. NOW, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE HERE IN A MINUTE, WHETHER WE WANT TO GIVE JOHN TIME TO RESEARCH IT FURTHER OR TAKE A VOTE ON IT NOW OR WHATEVER, WE'LL DO THAT. BUT MY POINT BEING IS YOU STILL HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME OTHER THAN ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT, THAT, UH, THAT YOUR BROTHER HAS DONE FOR THE COUNTY. THERE'S A REASON NOT TO FOLLOW THE STATE LAW. WELL, , UH, I'M NOT TELLING YOU NOT TO FOLLOW THE STATE LAW, YOUR HONOR. I'M SAYING I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THIS STATUTE FOR A PLACE DOWN HERE AT PEEL TOWN, TEXAS. THAT IS NOT THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT. UH, YOU'RE TELLING ME THEN THAT I CAN OWN 500 ACRES LAND AT PEEL DOWN UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITY GROUP OF FINE PEOPLE AND HOLD IT, DO GOOD WORK. FOUR PEOPLE HELP COPELAND COUNTY. AND, AND ALL WE GET IS SOME THANKS. WE DON'T GET NOTHING ELSE THAT THANKS, WON'T GO OVER HERE. THIS USED TO BE A BANK. IT WOULDN'T COME TO THE BANK AND BE DEPOSITED. YOU KNOW THAT. THANKS. I AM SAYING THAT YOU CAN GRANT A VARIANCE. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT COMING DOWN THERE AND BUILDING A CITY AND INCORPORATING IT AND GETTING BOOZE AND WINE AND WHISKEY AND THE WHOLE BIT IN THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIMPLE DEAL OF HELPING SENIOR CITIZENS. WHY HE WANTS TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW. I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T SIT THERE AND LOSE MONEY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF TAKING, AND I'VE SEEN HIM DO IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND LAST YEAR, TAKE MONEY OUT OF HIS BANK ACCOUNT AND PUT IN TO KEEP CHARGING LOW RATES TO SENIOR CITIZENS AND THE WHOLE BIT. DON'T YOU HAVE SOME THINGS FOR THAT? DON'T YOU HAVE, DON'T THIS COUNTY HAVE SOME THINGS FOR THAT? THERE IS WHAT YOU CALL, YOU'VE HEARD OF IT A VARI AND YOU DON'T HAVE, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR THAT, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT I COULD BE FOR BREAKING THE LAW, SIR. I DON'T THINK YOU DEFINITELY, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE WHAT HE DOES DOWN THERE. I THINK THE LAWS ARE MADE NOT TO BE BROKEN. AND I THINK, I THINK, UH, THE JUDGE WILL TELL YOU THAT. BUT ALL THESE LAWS THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU HAVE IN THESE LAW BOOKS HERE, THEY CAN BE GRADED ON A HIGHER LEVEL. THEY CAN BE GRADED ON A APPELLATE LEVEL AND WHOLE BIT THAT DON'T MESS NECESSARILY MEAN, SIR, THAT YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW. I'LL AGREE WITH YOU. YOU CAN'T GO OUT HERE AND STEAL MY HOOK GAPS. I'LL AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S PRETTY WELL SETTLED. FACT. BUT THIS, THIS FACT IS NOT SETTLED. AND THIS FACT I'M SAYING WAS NOT THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT FOR A PLACE LIKE FIELD TOWN, TEXAS. NO, DON'T BREAK THE LAW. I DON'T WANT YOU TO BREAK THE LAW. THE SHERIFF'S RIGHT BACK HERE. I DON'T WANT TO GET HIM ON YOUR BACK. I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO BREAK THE LAW. DON'T WANT BE PRAYING IN THE NEWSPAPER AS ADVISED THAT SOMEBODY TO BREAK THE LAW. I'M JUST, UH, FAIRNESS, HIS HONOR. THIS LAWYER HERE CAN TELL YOU THERE IS COURTS OF LAW. IS THAT NOT RIGHT, SIR? YES, SIR. THERE IS COURTS OF EQUITY. EQUITY MEANS TO DO THE FAIR THING. WE ARE ASKING HERE TODAY, NOT FOR, TO VIOLATE NO LAW, NOT TO VIOLATE NO LAW BY NO PURPOSE, NOT TO THREATEN WITH A LAWSUIT. WE'RE ASKING FOR EQUITY. THE FAIR THING, THE COURTS WERE CREATED IN ENGLAND AS A COURT OF LAW AND A COURT OF EQUITY. EQUITY. YOUR, MOST OF YOUR CASES ARE DECIDED, ESPECIALLY YOUR CIVIL CASES ON EQUITY. THE FAIR THING TO DO. WHAT IS SPARED HERE? ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE CAN JUST IGNORE THIS THEN? THE OWNER OF ATTRACTIVE LAND LOCATED OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF A MUNICIPALITY MUST HAVE A PLAT OF A SUBDIVISION PREPARED. IF THE OWNER DIVIDES A TRACK INTO TWO OR MORE PARTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S BLACK AND WHITE. YOU'RE [00:25:01] A GOVERNING BODY OF THIS COUNTY. AND I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY, I AM SAYING NOT TO VIOLATE THE LAW, BUT THAT CAN BE DECIDED BY THIS COURT RIGHT HERE. WHO BROUGHT THIS UP HERE? WHO BROUGHT THIS UP HERE? WHO? WHO? JUAN. JUAN. A MAN OUT OUT HERE AND JOE AND HIS PROPERTY. WHO BROUGHT IT UP? WAS IT YOU BROUGHT WOOD UP. WHAT ARE YOU, HOW COME ONE UP HERE? HOW COME YOU'RE, YOU'RE DECIDING. I'M NOT DECIDING. HOW COME YOU'RE DECIDING WHAT MY BROTHER CAN DO OR I CAN DO WITH MY PROPERTY? WE WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU, NOT FOR YOU TO ASK US QUESTIONS. IF MR. DILLER WANTS TO ANSWER THAT, THAT SETS HIS WELL, I HAVE ONE STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO SAY AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT A VARIANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS OR STATUTE. WE'RE ASKING OUR COMMISSION. IT TAKES COMMISSIONER'S COURT. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. BECAUSE I CANNOT LEGALLY GIVE HIM A VARIANCE. WOULD YOU VOTE FOR ONE? IT'S YOUR COMMISSION. THIS COMMISSIONER'S. I'M ONE VOTE ON THIS COURT. WOULD YOU VOTE VOTING? PROBABLY NOT. WELL THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT JUST A FEW NIGHTS AGO YOU SAID YOU WOULD, OH, WHERE WERE YOU? WELL, I WAS IN THAT DEEP CORNER OF THE CEDAR CREEK COUNTRY CLUB. I SAID, I WILL PUT IT ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AGENDA AND ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THE DECISION AND I WILL VOTE. WELL, CERTAINLY, SIR. AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. AND AGAIN, I WANT APOLOGIZE TO YOU. I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO VIOLATE THE LAW, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE SHERIFF. OKAY, SIR. I THINK YOU ASKED, UH, UH, A GREAT QUESTION. COULD I ADDRESS HIM, JUDGE? YEAH, BRIEFLY. RAY, WE GOT, OKAY, WE GOT THE REST OF THE MORNING HERE TO GET SOME , OKAY? SINCE THE FIRST FEW SENTENCES OF THIS MEETING STARTED OFF BY SAYING MY BROTHER INTENDED TO SUE, SUGGEST I THOUGHT WE WERE PASSED ALL THAT. WHAT ABOUT, I'VE GOT TO GET INTO THAT TO GET INTO THIS. JUST WHAT ABOUT THE LAW? OKAY, I'M COMING TO IT. SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO YOUR LAW. REMEMBER WHAT I SAID? OKAY? YES SIR. YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY RIGHT HERE TO DO NOTHING. YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY RIGHT HERE TO GRANT A BEARING. THIS MAN KNOWS THAT THIS MAN RIGHT UP HERE KNOWS YOU PROBABLY KNOW IT. YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO. GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY? IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT, WE'RE GOING TO SELL THE LAND THE WAY WE WANT TO. NOW, YOU A LAWYER AND COME AFTER THIS. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? YES. AND THEN WE'LL GET OUTTA YOUR WAY. OKAY? UH, I BUILT THIS COURSE SOME 19 YEARS AGO. RIGHT AFTER I BUILT THIS COURSE, I HAD A BLOWOUT IN THE BRAIN. I SPENT, UH, ABOUT 13, 14 DAYS AT PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL IN DALLAS. INTENSIVE CARE. DON'T REMEMBER BEING THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE. WHEN I BUILT THIS COURSE, I STARTED OUT CATERING TO SENIOR CITIZENS AND CHARITY, OUR SHOP RIGHT BACK HERE, OUR ORGANIZATION THAT HE USED TO BE IN AND SO FORTH. THEY'VE HAD 1715 HARNESS DOWN THERE TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE ASSOCIATION TO GIVE TO THE KIDS FOR EDUCATION IF THEIR PARENTS WERE KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY AS OF SIX YEARS AGO WHEN THE GOLF COURSES SAYS EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET RICH IN THE GOLF FINISH. AND IT STARTED COMING FROM EVERYWHERE GOLF FINISH HAS DONE RIGHT? I USED TO MAKE MONEY THERE. I'M LOSING $150,000 A YEAR. MY SON IN THE TAX BUSINESS, WHICH JUDGE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN TAX BUSINESS A LONG TIME. HE'S SUBSIDIZING A LOT OF IT. I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT I HAVE TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF MY SAVINGS OR GET MONEY FROM HIM TO SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T TAKE AND SELL OFF A PIECE OF MY PROPERTY TO HAVE SOME MONEY TO PAY THE BILLS. NOW, UH, I SEE THINGS GOING ON AROUND THIS COUNTY AND SO FORTH, BUT, UH, WE PAY $50,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES DOWN THERE. WE PAY A SALES TAX, GO OVER AND WE PAY TAXES TO EVERYTHING. BUT YET, WHEN I GET TO A POINT WHERE I NEED SOME HELP FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY, WHAT DO I GET? [00:30:01] NOTHING. AND THAT COUNTY HURTS BECAUSE I'VE NEVER TAKEN A PENNY OUT OF THAT PLACE. I DON'T DRAW NO SALARY OR NOTHING. I'M LOOKING AT DIESEL IS UP THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. Y'ALL KNOW THIS FROM RUNNING IN THE COUNTY. GAS, FERTILIZER, CHEMICALS, EVERYTHING. I CAN'T KEEP GOING. SO Y'ALL WANT, I'LL BE $150,000 A YEAR BETTER. I'LL SHUT IT DOWN. YOU EVER STOP THINKING THAT THAT'S NOT VERY SMART, IS IT? KEEP RIGHT. IT DON ONE. NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE TOLD ME YET. NOW, I, I AGREE. WE AS A GROUP HERE HAVE BEEN THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT CERTAIN VARIANCES ON OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT IS STATE LAW. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT YOU A VARIANCE FROM STATE LAW. THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU'LL FILE A SUBDIVISION PLAN IF YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE INTO A MORE TRASH. I DON'T, AND Y'ALL HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME HOW WE CAN GET AROUND THAT LAW. OKAY? YOUR HONOR. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE MORE THINGS THAN THIS TO DEAL WITH HERE TODAY. ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL TAKE THE TIME IT NEEDS TO GET THIS DONE. BUT HERE, HERE, HERE'S WHAT, THERE'S GONNA BE A POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST REPEATING OURSELVES. YES, YOUR HONOR. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, SIR, YOU MAY THINK I'M A SM AT IT AND I MIGHT BE , I'VE BEEN CALLED WORSE THAN THAT BEFORE. BUT WE INTEND, LOOK, MY FOOT, WE, WE, WE INTEND TO GO BACK TO FIELD DOWN TEXAS. AND IF SOMEBODY COMES UP THIS AFTERNOON AND THEY WANTS TO BUY HALF ACRE, HALF ACRE OUT THERE TO BUILD 'EM A HOUSE, YOU, SIR, IF YOU COME UP THIS AFTERNOON, WE'LL SELL YOU HALF ACRE NO MATTER WHAT IT DECIDED IN HERE, WE INTEND SELL HALF ACRE. MIGHT AS WELL BE BLANK ABOUT. AND THE NEXT GUY, IF HE WANTS FIVE ACRES, WE INTEND TO SELL IT. GET A SURVEYOR OUT, GIVE HIM A D, LET HIM RECORD IT AND GO ABOUT HIS BEST. GIVE HIM TITLE DEPOSIT. WE DO NOT INTEND, WE DO NOT INTEND SIR TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT UP A, A FOR SALE SIGN AND SALES OFFICE HERE. UH, SEE SALESMAN OVER HERE AND WE'LL ESCORT YOU AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A, YOU KNOW, A RUBBER DOLLY OR WHATEVER, A PORTABLE TV TO TAKE A TOUR. WE DO NOT INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING LIKE SOME OF THESE BASS GOING SUBDIVISIONS. WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE CALLED A SUBDIVISION OR WE WOULD NOT BE HERE. WE INTEND TO HOLD ON TO SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WAY BACK THERE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT YOU CAN ENJOY YOUR PROPERTY AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT CREATE A PUBLIC USAGE. IF JUDGE JEFF WANTS TO COME BUY US SOME PROPERTY, YOU COULD BUY IT TODAY. NO MATTER ABOUT THIS CONTROVERSY, IT MAY GO ON FOR A LONG TIME, BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY. IT APPEALS DOWN. TEXAS WON'T BE NO SALESMAN, THERE WON'T BE NO SALES OFFICE OR ANYTHING. I'M SAYING JUDGE THAT IN THE CASE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN, WE DON'T, YOU DON'T REALLY EVEN NEED A VARIANCE. JUST, JUST LEAVE US ALONE. JUST LEAVE US ALONE. WE DON'T WANT NO ROADS OUT THERE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP. WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SET UP AND LET YOU PEOPLE TELL US THAT WE CANNOT SELL OUR PROPERTY AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO. NOW, I TELL YOU WHAT, UH, YOU MAY NEED HIM A LOT. AND WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING, TURN THE OTHER CHEEK OR WHATEVER. WE'RE GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND PEEL DOWN A TEXAS, WE DON'T INTEND TO SELL IT AGAIN. JUST BLOCK HERE, BLOCK HERE, BLOCK HERE, BLOCK HERE. YOU, YOU WANT TO BUY BLOCK FOUR LADY? YOU WANT TO BUY BLOCK FIVE, SIR? OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF SOMEBODY COMES BY, HE'S GOING TO SELL SOME PROPERTY, TAKE THE MONEY TO WORK. HE CAN KEEP OPERATING A GOLF COURSE. YOU KNOW THAT HOW MANY TIMES THE FEES WENT UP OUT THERE ONE TIME IN 19 YEARS, THERE'S $1. WE ADDED [00:35:01] FOUR MILLIONS TO IT, YOU KNOW. WELL, I THINK ALL THAT'S GREAT. I, I PLAYED DOWN THERE MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT I I, I DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, THE BENEVOLENCE THAT KEN HAS SHOWN TO US FILING A LOAN. OKAY, MR. JERRY, I MISSED THAT MR. JERRY. IF WE, IF WE GO OUT HERE, IF WE GO OUT HERE, IF WE HAVE TO AND SELL IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, FOUR OR FIVE LITTLE SPOTS PROPERTY OVER THERE, OR WE GIVE IT AWAY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND WHOLE BIT, UH, YOU THINK I COME UNDER THIS LAW THAT YOU'RE SIGNING HERE? NO, SIR. NO SIR. WE'RE NOT SUBDIVIDING. WE DON'T WANT NOTHING FROM THE COUNTY. YES, SIR. WHAT WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT BE CHEAPER JUST TO GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT. WHY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BESIDES GATHER THE TAXES. THAT'S IT. AND, AND, UH, UH, WELL THERE'S ONE OTHER THING AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL HIM THIS HERE. WE HAVE HAD VERY GOOD RESPONSE WITH OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WHEN WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, COME DOWN THERE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF VANDALISM, THE WHOLE BIT. WE'VE ALWAYS, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FROM COLMAN COUNTY. WE SURE HAVE GOTTEN THAT FROM COLMAN COUNTY AND SHERIFF BURNS. I BELIEVE IT'S BURNS, ISN'T IT? YEAH. WE SURE HAVE. ESPECIALLY AN OFFICER HERE DOWN THERE, JUST LIKE THAT. WE DON'T WANT, WE WANT TO BE A PART OF KAMAN COUNTY. WE WANT TO BREAK BREAD WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, AND THE WHOLE, WE WANT TO SMILE AT YOU MR. DEV. WE WANT TO SMILE AT YOU, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BUSINESS. WE JUST DO ANYTHING. THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SIT AND SHOOT BULL TELL DIRTY JOKES OR LIE OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, WE WON'T GET ALONG WITH YOU. WE WON'T GET ALONG WITH PEOPLE IN CALIN COUNTY. YOU GOT A FINE COUNTY JUDGE AND I'M SURE FINE COUNTY, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HERE. WE MORE OR LESS WANT TO BE JUST LEFT ALONE AND LET THE STATUS QUO BE THE STATUS QUO. NOW, IF YOU COME DOWN THERE AND YOU SAY, WELL, E RAY ANDREWS SET UP THERE AND TOLD US A BUNCH OF BULL AND THEY GOT SIGNS AND THEY'VE GOT LOT NUMBER 1, 2, 3, UP THROUGH 500. I EXPECT I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO DO SOMETHING THEN, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE HAVING THREE OR FOUR PARCEL OF LAND YES SIR, YOUR HONOR, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME TYPE OF VARIANCE ON THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. THE WE SEEM TO BE GOING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. YES, YOUR HONOR. WOULD IT BE, UH, WOULD IT BE RELEVANT TO, UH, ASK JOHN TO LOOK AT THIS SITUATION AND BRING BACK, BRING US BACK UP, UH, AT LEAST HIS OPINION, UH, NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, YOUR COMMISSIONER DO REQUESTED BE ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S, I WOULD THAT BE, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, YOUR HONOR. IF I COULD SAY ONE OTHER THING. WELL, YOU BETTER MAKE IT SHORTER. WE GAVE YOU MINUTES. WELL, YEAH, YOU GOT ALL KINDS OF TIME. YOU GET PAID GOOD MONEY. I WILL. GO AHEAD, JUDGE. WE DID, I DID THIS AT LAKE PARK AND RAINS IN, UH, WOOD COUNTY AND IT WORKED JUST GREAT. IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY AND, AND WE HAVE COVENANT THAT TOOK CARE. YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T NEED NO ROAD PEOPLE IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A LEVY TO DO TAKE YOU IN THE ROADS THAT WE WILL KEEP EVERYTHING IN GOOD SHAPE. THE FEDERAL MAIL HAS ALREADY PUT US A CLUSTER BOX THERE TO HANDLE IT. SO ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS DRIVE IN THERE AND DROP IT OFF. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO SELL 45 LOTS IN 30 MINUTES. OKAY? THAT'S NOT AN OBJECTIVE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SELL, UH, A LOT OR TWO OR THREE A YEAR TO PAY THE $150,000 THAT IS COSTING ME. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. AND I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING, ASKING COUNTY ANYTHING, BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR C COUNTY DOWN THERE AND MY WIFE AND I AND MY BROTHER AND OTHER PEOPLE, WE, IF THEY'VE GOT A CHARITY DOWN THERE AND SOMEBODY'S SICK, HOW MANY HAS GOT CANCER? HOW MANY HAS GOT LEUKEMIA? HOW MANY HAS GOT BRAIN PRODUCT? BRING 'EM OUT. THEY CAN HAVE A TERM DOWN HERE FREE. AND I'M ABSORBING EVERY BIT OF JUDGE. JUDGE. THAT'S TRUE. THANK YOU, RICK. HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND. IF THE JUDGE SHALL RUN ME OFF. UH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR HONOR. MEMBERS COURT. MR. DI UH, SARAH, WE, WE GOING TO NEED, UH, MR. LONG, UH, BEFORE WE CAN GET [00:40:01] ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT MR. DILLER SUGGESTED WE CAME HERE TO DO AND WE DIDN'T COME HERE TO SUE YOU, BUT THAT MAY BE THE OUTSET OF IT. BUT BEFORE WE GET ANY WORK CLOSE, YOUR HONOR KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A ANSWER FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T GET IN DISTRICT COURT AND THEN TELL YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE STARTED AT. SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, JUDGE? I UNDERSTAND. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THIS YOUR, THIS YOUR, NO, IT'S YOURS, JURORS. THANK YOU SIR. DO I NEED TO MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE TURN THIS OVER TO JOHN? DO YOU WANNA MAKE IT? I, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT, UH, WE TURN THIS OVER TO OUR ATTORNEY, JOHN LONG, AND HE RESEARCHED INTO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS AND SEE WHAT OUR LEGAL, UH, RIGHTS ARE. OKAY. SECOND, OUR LEGAL, UH, DUTIES ARE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER RAVEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FER SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. SO THAT'LL BE, UH, TABLED UNTIL, UH, JOHN CAN HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO, UH, UH, RESEARCH THIS PROJECT. NEXT IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTING A SURVEY OF WINDMILL FARMS, UH, COMAN COUNTY BRICK WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT NUMBER ONE B OFF STATE SIGNAGE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL PURPOSES. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT LITTLE SHORT. OKAY, GOOD. UH, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS. I THINK THEY, THEY TALKED TO, UH, THINK THE SHERIFF OUT THERE. THEY HAD, THEY SAID THEY'D HAD TO HAVE A SURVEY DONE ALL THE TRAFFIC SIDE BEFORE THERE COULD BE SOME, UH, TRAFFIC LAW ENFORCEMENT DONE OUT THERE. THEY DID THAT. I TOLD 'EM I WOULD ACCEPT IT. BRING THE COURT TO ACCEPT. SO IT MIGHT BE, IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS A NECESSARY MEASURE, HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY YOU ALL AS EFFICIENT BEFORE WE CAN ENFORCE FORMALITY. OH, OKAY. SO I ACCEPT, I THINK WE DID IT IN THE OTHER, UH, PHASE OUT THERE ALREADY. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I, I, UM, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PUT WITH MINUTES. SO THIS IS IT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL ONE COPY I'VE GOT. IT JUST SHOWS WHERE THE SIGN OF DIRECT AT LOCATED ON THE STREETS. WHAT SIGN IS THERE? LAURA? YOU HEARD HIM SAY THIS IS ONLY COPY IN HERE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. DID YOU WANT A COPY FOR YOUR EYES, SHERIFF? EVERYBODY NEED ONE? YEAH, JOE, I PROBABLY, I CAN PROBABLY GET SOME COPIES FROM YOU AS I PLEASE. YOU WANT ME TO GET SOME COPIES? I CAN DO IT IN THE OFFICE. IS IT THERE'S SOME YELLOW ON IT. LOT YELLOW COMMISSIONER. BEEN COMMISSIONER CLARK, UH, MOVES THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE SURVEY FOR WINDMILL FARMS AND COMMISSIONER WILL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT WE DISCUSS CONSIDER APPRO REAPPOINTMENT OF CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE KAMAN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN. THIS WAS, UH, TABLED FROM LAST TIME. I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER A LITTLE FURTHER AND TALK TO SOME PEOPLE AND WE INTO LEARNED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT DONE. OKAY. WELL THE NAMES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, TO US. WERE, UH, HARRY GERARD, CHUCK K JOHN DABS. MARK, CHUCK . CHUCK CHICAGO CHARCO. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. CHARCO CHARCO. SCO SOCOCO. OKAY. AND AUGUSTA MOORE. JUDGE IN RESEARCH AND ALL [00:45:01] THIS, EVERY DISTRICT ESD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO APPOINT THESE NEW MEMBERS ON JANUARY ONE OF EVERY YEAR. I KNOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT. SO IN LOOKING THROUGH WHAT HAS TO BE DONE, UH, BSDS HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. WE HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS GOT A, A LIST OF NUMBERS THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ON THERE THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE NAMES ON THIS RIGHT HERE. IT LOOKS TO BE LIKE THE AGENDA. THE WAY IT STATED, WE HAVE TO REPOINT REAPPOINT THESE PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE LIST AND GET RID OF YOUR TIME TO LOOK AT THIS NEW LIST OF PEOPLE. WE MAY VERY WELL WANT TO REAPPOINT THESE PEOPLE. WE MAY WANT TO POINT SOME DIFFERENT ONES. WE ALSO NEED TO APPOINT 'EM FOR A SPECIFIC TERM, A ONE YEAR TERM OR TWO YEAR TERM. THREE TO A TWO YEAR TERM. ONE AND TWO TO A ONE YEAR TERM. AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY JANUARY ONE, NOT JUST IN THIS DISTRICT, BUT THE OTHER SIX. EVERY EVERY, EVERY DISTRICT AND EVERY DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO FILE A REPORT WITH THIS EVERY YEAR ALSO. RIGHT? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AUDIT BY JUNE 1ST. UH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FILE A, UH, REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT BY FEBRUARY. UH, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING INVITE TO THE OFFICE OF, UH, RURAL COMMUNITY AFFAIRS BY JANUARY ONE REPORT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO. IT'S NOT IF ANYBODY'S TRIED TO CIRCUMVENT ANYTHING. THEY WERE JUST NOT AWARE THAT THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, I THINK. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, SINCE WE HAVE TO DO ALL SEVEN OF THEM, I'LL CALLED THE ESDS IN MY AREA AND TELL 'EM TO SUBMIT THE NAMES TO US. COULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO APPOINT THESE MEMBERS ALL ONE AT ONE TIME SO WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE THE SAME TIME? UM, YEAH. WE WE USUALLY SEND OUT REMINDERS EVERY YEAR AND THEY'RE IGNORED. SO, SO, BUT YEAH, WE'VE DONE THAT EVER SINCE THE ORIGINAL CREATION OF THEM. UH, ONE CAUTION, ONE THING, UM, VERY FEW, AND Y'ALL KNOW 'CAUSE THEY USED TO COME BEFORE US. EVERY, UH, APRIL AND MAY, UH, VERY FEW OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE PLEASED WITH WHAT THEIR BOARD DOES. THEY NEVER THINK THEY GET ENOUGH MONEY. VERY FEW OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WANT A BOARD TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN CASE SOMETHING GOES WRONG IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. AND SO, ONE CONCERN I HAVE, WHEN YOU START PUTTING MEMBERS OF THESE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON THESE BOARDS, UH, IS THAT A GOOD THING? IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT? UH, JUST BECAUSE Y'ALL KNOW WE'VE HAD, UH, WELL, NOT, MAYBE NOT SINCE ALL Y'ALL, SOME OF Y'ALL HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, BUT, BUT WE'VE HAD VOLUNTEER FAR COME DEPARTMENTS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BOARD NOT GIVING THEM ENOUGH MONEY AND WANTING THE COUNTY TO CHIP IN MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEIR BOARD COME BACK OR BECAUSE THEIR BOARD WANTED TO CREATE A CONTINGENCY FUND. AND, UH, SO I JUST CAUTION YOU WHEN YOU START POINTING VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO THE BOARD WHO GOVERNS THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WATSON JUST WANT TO JUDGE. I SEE, I SEE. THE, THE, UH, LIST OF, OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT THE, THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE. UH, WHERE DID THESE OTHERS, WHO APPOINTED THESE OTHERS, WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? THEY COME, WELL, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO STARTED THAT PETITION IN THAT PRECINCT. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ON THE BOARD, AREN'T THEY? RIGHT. AND THEN THEY VOTED THEMSELVES AFTER, AFTER THE ELECTION TO CREATE THE DEPARTMENT. THEN THAT GROUP SUBMITTED NAMES TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT'S GONNA COMMISSIONER'S COURT APPOINT THESE ON THE BOARD. OKAY, I GOT IT. SO, SO THIS IS THE GOVERNANCES, YOU KNOW, OF, OF THEMSELVES. SO, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT JUDGE, THAT YOU DO NEED TO HAVE SOME OUTSIDE PEOPLE LOOKING IN ON. BUT THE LAW SAYS THAT WE SHALL CONSIDER, UH, WHAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY AGAIN? RELEVANT, UH, RELEVANT FACTORS INCLUDING, UH, EXPERIENCING FIRE PREVENTION AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE FIREMEN ON IT, [00:50:01] I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD NOT GET TO THE POINT OF WHERE YOU'VE GOT FIREMEN OR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS CONTROLLING THE BOARD THAT VOTES HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM. CORRECT? I AGREE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ANYWAY. BUT IT'S NOT IF, IF, UH, COMMISSIONER CLARK WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THESE, THESE APPOINTMENTS. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TELLER. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? I. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO THAT ITEM WILL BE TABLED. AND AGAIN, WE WILL SEND OUT THE TRADITIONAL LETTERS THAT WE NORMALLY DO. BUT, UH, THIS, THIS TIME IF Y'ALL WANNA FOLLOW UP ON IT AND, UH, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO LET THE FIRE MARSHAL TAKE CHARGE OF THIS AND SEE IF THESE PEOPLE ARE, ARE FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO HE COULD BE, INSTEAD OF DEPEND ON YOUR OFFICE, SEND THE LETTERS OUT, MAYBE LET HIS, PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THEY GET THE REPORTS TO US, GETS REPORTS INTO THE STATE. I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. IN FACT, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THAT SAME DAY I FIRE MARSHAL OVER. HE, HE'S NOT SURE THAT HE FITS INTO THAT ROLE. GOD, I, UH, I WAS THINKING THE, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FLOOR MAY FIT INTO THAT ROAD MORE THAN THE FIRE MARSHAL. SHE JUST LEFT. I THINK SHE JUST SAID THAT SHE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA. . YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL SEE IF THE LETTERS GET OUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT TO FOLLOW. BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, ONCE THEY SWITCH TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT RATHER THAN THE LITTLE FIRE DISTRICT, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RULES TO GO BY AND THEY ALSO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT, UH, WORD REGULATIONS. YEAH, THEY, THE, THE PEOPLE OVER IN FLORIDA DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT UNTIL I TOLD THEM WHAT TO TOLD 'EM ABOUT. THEY SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE. OH, THEY DID? WELL I MENTIONED IT WHEN I HAD THE MEETING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. RANDY RICHARDS WAS THERE AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM SOME OF THESE ORTHO REPORTING AND COMMISSIONER AND HE SAID THAT THE BOARD PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WAS GONNA BRING IT UP TO THE NEXT LAB. I'LL TALK TO MAYBANK. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. ONE OF THE THINGS EACH YEAR, AS I SAID, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT USED TO COME IN AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR REPORT AND UH, AND WHEN THE AGE OF COMPUTERS CAME BY, THEY HAD SOME VERY PRETTY REPORTS, YOU KNOW, PICTURES AND COLORED, UH, STATISTICS AND ALWAYS ASKING US FOR MORE MONEY. AND THEN AFTER THE FIRE DISTRICTS CAME ALONG AND THEN BASICALLY THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS KIND OF FROZE WHAT MONEY WE WERE GIVING TO THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM TO COME BY ASKING FOR MORE MONEY IF THEY KNEW THEY WEREN'T GOING GET MORE MONEY IN THE WORKPLACE. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE BRINGING THEM IN EVERY YEAR AND, UH, BECAUSE SINCE THE, THE COUNTY'S COVERED NOW WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS, THE FIRE DISTRICTS ARE, OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING QUITE WELL. AND ORIGINALLY BACK WHEN FIRE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WAS CREATED, UH, THE COURT AT THAT TIME MADE THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HOPED EVENTUALLY THE COUNTY COULD GET OUT OF IT AND THE WHOLE COUNTY WOULD BE COVERED BY THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OF THE FIRE DISTRICT. AND THE COUNTY COULD EVENTUALLY GET OUT OF THE, UH, GIVING SOME, GIVING MONEY TO THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPART. THEY CAN, I THINK THE DISTRICT FOUR HAS GOT 6 CENTS AND THEY CAN VOTE, THEY CAN HAVE AN INTERNAL VOTE AT THAT FIRE DISTRICT GO UP TO AS MUCH AS CAN. SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT WHEN, WHEN FIRE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WAS CREATED. I WAS THE REGIONAL VICE PRESIDENT OF THAT BOARD. SO I'VE BEEN ON IT SINCE DAY ONE. SO I KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY'S BEEN ON. UH, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RURAL FIRE DISTRICTS AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. WE GOTTA GET OFF THE SUBJECT. JUDGE KEITH REMINDING ME OF THAT STATE DINNER. I LOST YOU . I ED FOR I THOUGHT CHECK OR SOMETHING. WELL, WE, WE TOLD HIM, WE SAID IT'D BE AFTER THE FIRST OF YEAR. SO WE'RE THE NEW YEAR NOW ARE WE? OKAY, SO WHAT DID WE DO WITH THIS? HAVE WE VOTE? VOTED TO TABLE THE CHECK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A I KNOW I GOT A MOTION IN [00:55:01] A SECOND. I KNOW IF I VOTE, I'LL TABLE THAT ITEM. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE BOND FOR KAMAN COUNTY CONSTABLE PRECINCT NUMBER TWO. UH, I'M SURE NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE A BUNCH MORE COMING IN. UH, BUT IT'S UH, JERRY, YOU'RE A BOND EXPERT. AND, UH, MR. JIM SHIPLEY HAVE SIGNED THE BONDING, THE BONDING COMPANY. I'D MAKE THAT MOTION, JUDGE THAT WE ACCEPT THAT SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES AND WE MIGHT REMIND OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU CAN GOT YOUR BOND. PLEASE. UH, DO SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, NEXT, UH, DISCUSSION. CONSIDER APPRO JOHN R. SULLIVAN JUNIOR AS RESERVE DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR. THIS HAS BEEN DONE PREVIOUS, UH, CONSTABLE. MM-HMM . UH, SAME INDIVIDUAL, SAME JOB, UH, BUT WITH THE NEW CONSTABLE WE WANTED. SO I MAKE THAT MOTION. APPOINT APPROVE. AND THAT'S JOHN R, NOT JOHN. L JOHN. JOHN. ALMOST THE SAME SIDE. SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A MOTION CARRIES. AND NOW YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO GET PHONE SERVICE DOWN A PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR, TWO LONG AND A SHORT. JUST ONE. CUT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. WE LEFT HIM. 40, 23 22. EMBAR. EMBAR. IS THERE A SECOND'S TOO QUIET? UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL MOTION CARRIED. YEAH, YOU GOTTA LEARN. THEY DO IT PRETTY QUICKLY. SOMETIMES. TWO WEEKS TO GET MY MOTION. OKAY, THAT'S IT. LET'S SEE. SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT. OH, UH, JACK, HAVE YOU ORDERED MR. JACKSON'S NAME YET? I SPOKE TO JACK THIS MORNING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WASN'T ON THERE THIS MORNING. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. IS IS IT GONNA BE JC? YEAH, IT'LL BE JC SPACE. I DIDN'T KNOW. NOBODY'S GONNA ASK WHAT JC STANDS. I'M NOT . JUST IN CASE, UH, IF YOU COUGH YOUR BREATH SINCE UH, JANUARY. THE, SINCE FRIDAY WELL GOT RUN ITEM TRANSFER. YES SIR. I'M GLAD THE FOOTBALL GAME IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ALRIGHT. I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING. WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT. SORRY. WE HAVE A ONE PROPOSED LINE ITEM TRANSFER IN THE ELECTION EXPENSE, INCREASED MILEAGE, MEALS AND LOGIC 1000 TRAINING EDUCATION CONFERENCES, 300 WITH PRODUCTION OF MISCELLANEOUS. I HEARD THE LINE ITEM TRANSFER REQUEST. WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT. COMMISSIONER JACKSON WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER WILL SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR? OH, I BET YOU OVER THE HOLIDAYS WE HAD SOME BILLS PILED UP. YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE UH, YOU SAID GOOD. I'M GOOD. I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTRACT, [01:00:07] YOU KNOW, AND UM, BLUE WHALE, MY WIFE AND YOU DON'T FOUR WHEELERS AND THEY DON'T TO GIVE US, THEY WOULD SEND US BACK N WE ANNUAL BUDGET. WELL, I LIKE PERCENTAGE OF THE REMAINING PERCENTAGE. WELL SEE THAT THEY DID AS LONG AS LONG AS THEY CAME IN FIRST IS SUPPOSED TO COMMISSIONER COURT IS WHAT'S PROBABLY OFFICIALS. I'D JUST LIKE TO GET THAT BOARD LOADED. EXACTLY. COMMISSION ELECTED OFFICIALS IN. THIS IS THE [01:05:02] FLORIDA. GO AND LISTEN TO BE BACK AT THE BACK. SO THEY WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO HIM, HUH? YEAH. WHAT? HAVE A COPY OF WHAT, WHAT THE COMPER AT ALL, AT ALL? I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE. REQUEST I SOMEBODY TALK TO ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M NOT DOING WHAT DID YOU THINK? TRYING TO GET ALL THE TOGETHER CALLS. I SENT THE EMAIL. AT LEAST I I FORWARD IT. OKAY. WELL THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IT GUY EQUIPMENT AND THEN, UM, I THINK THE NEW PRESIDENT AND THE SALESMAN AND THE, THE SOFTWARE GUIDE BEFORE THEN. SO I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME EXPLAIN THIS, BUT, UM, I KNOW WHEN I'VE TALKED TO THE A, YOU KNOW, I ASKED EVERYTHING YOU TOLD ME, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING, THAT IN THIS PROPOSAL YOU SAID YOU WOULD IN THE CONTRACT. AND THEN HE SAID STATEMENT OF WORK IN THE CONTRACT, SAY ANYTHING PROMISED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL, LOOK AT UNUSUAL AMOUNTS DOWN THERE. FIVE, 6,000 ON ONE CHECK, DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE. WELL I KNOW THERE'S ONE THAT, UM, NECESSARY YOU'LL GET THAT'S THE WAY I YEAH, YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, HE JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS. YEAH, I GUESS I COULD SAY THAT. YEAH. BUT I, I'LL [01:10:01] GET HIM MY QUESTIONS AND I'LL GET THOSE SENT OFF SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME, UM, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER CONTRACTOR. YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS THAT GEORGIA HAD. I HAVE TYPE UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE YOU HAD ABOUT THEM FOR THE, I WON'T PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT JUST, JUST THE ONES THAT I HAVE SPECIFICALLY IN OUR FIELD. UH, AND I THINK SAFETY WILL BE ON CONFERENCE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SHE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN ANYWAY HERE AS WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE A LIST. YES. SATURDAY THE BARBECUE. OKAY. KNOCKED OUT PLEASE. AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, WE STILL GONNA MAKE THEM THINK THAT WELL THEY OKAY. YOU DID CALL HIM. NO, I, OKAY. AT LEAST I HAVE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED ALL MY OH, SCARES YOU. BUT SCARES ME AND WE DIDN'T TAKE THEIR, AND YOU KNOW, I MAY BE ABLE TO USE AM FOR SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON JUST TO REALLY SEE HOW THEIR, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, DO YOU USE SUBCONTRACT MEMBERS? YOU DO, YOU NEED TO TELL US WHO THEY ARE AND THE PEOPLE ARE THEIR RESUMES IN. AND THEN, AND I WE'RE, AND THEN I'LL PAY THE INDEXING ON ONGOING BASIS BECAUSE THAT'S ANNUAL COST THAT REDUCES DOWN, YOU KNOW, SAY 300,000, BUT IT REDUCES IT DOWN. AND THE ONLY THING QUESTION IS WHEN YOU DO THE PER MONTH OR THE [01:15:01] PER DOCUMENT ON TYLER, THEY HAVE THE NORMAL WORRIES, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY, AT THE END OF THREE YEARS, THEY COME IN OUT AND YOU GET ON, YOU KNOW, I MAY HAVE TO FIGURE THAT INTO MY PLAN, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW I HAVE AND I DON'T LIKE THAT PART OF THE COMPANY'S DONE SIX OR FIVE OR SIX, SEVEN CONVERSIONS FROM ACS. NO. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT UM, I KNOW A CS, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF CLEANUPS. THEY'RE DALLAS. HAVE THEY MADE THEIR PICK? SEE, DOES HE HAS TRON, A C, S AND TYLER? UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN FIND OUT THAT JOHN SAYS THAT HE'S BEEN VERY, THAT HE'S, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A STRESS. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BECAUSE CONVERSIONS AND MAYBE THEY EITHER, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE TOO MUCH OF A STRESS FOR THEIR RESOURCES FOR THEY BATTLE. WHICH ONE'S A BIG ONE? WE TREASURER, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A OF THINGS TO COURT AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ME. EVERY TIME THEY MEET THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS, THAT 'CAUSE EVERY TIME THEY KEEP SAFE, DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. I WRITE IT DOWN AND THEN NEXT TIME THEY COME IN I GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE THAT THEIR PERFORMANCE IS MORE DOCUMENTED. THAT'S WHY I HANDED JUDGE THE STATUTE BECAUSE I HAD COPIED THE STATUTE. UNDER HOW MANY ITSELF? I DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. YOU DON'T HAVE IT? NO. OH. I GOT ONE ON MY DESK. LIKE I SAID, I MEAN I'M SURE YOUR PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW PERSONAL. YEAH, BUT THEY DON'T NOT VICE PRESIDENT. YEAH. THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT SIZE. [01:20:08] OKAY. YEAH, BUT JOHNNY STILL HERE THAT ANDREW? I THINK SO. IT'S GONNA BE OUT THE, YOU KNOW WHAT ARE YOU DONE? SORRY. THANK YOU. I TRIED, I TRIED TO WARM UP SOME BUSINESS. GOOD. IT'S ALL DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS AT HOME. THEY A WHOLE BUNCH MORE PEOPLE. OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. HAVE A GOOD NEW YEAR. YES. HOW TIME CAN I MAKE YOU A COPY? WHERE DOES ALL THE COMPUTER HOLIDAYS? NO, I DO. CAN YOU GO MAKE A COPY OF THIS? WOULD THAT BE YOU DON'T GET ANY HOLIDAY? I'M NOT SURE THIS GUY GET A TITLE. I DON'T. IT COSTS MONEY. YEAH. MONDAY, FRIDAY, CHRISTMAS IS ON SATURDAY 23RD. 20. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY 20 AND THEN S BECAUSE KIND. BUT WE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, [01:25:01] FROM WHAT I HEARD TODAY, IT WOULD BE FOR HIM NOT TO. MY SON'S GONNA GET HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE TODAY. WE DID COST EVERYBODY MONEY. HE CAR. BUT STILL DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE EASIER JUST TO, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT HE SAID, HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T MOVE OUR COUNTY TO CONTROL HIM IN ANYWAY. WELL WHEN YOU PLAN, THE COUNTY'S NOT CONTROLLING YOU. THEY SURE DID A GOOD JOB. HE NEVER SELLS IT. HE SELLS IT TO HIS RESPONSIBILITY. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND. DID YOU GET ONE? THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS TELLING. THANK YOU. SEE WHAT FEBRUARY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. JANUARY 9TH. ANYWAY, I I WAS JUST CURIOUS. DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DOESN'T, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PROTECTING HIM. AND IF I WAS SOMEONE BUYING PROPERTY, I WOULDN'T SIGN BECAUSE I WOULDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GETTING ARE WE ALL QUICKLY YOU THINK THAT WOULD UH, SHE CAME GONNA, GONNA HAVE A THREE WASN'T HERE SPENCER, THE GRAND JURY? THAT'S TRUE. I, IS THAT THE EXCEPTION? UH, I DUNNO. MISCELLANEOUS THAT IS THE, FOR US TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, CARD. OH NO, NO. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HOMELAND SECURITY ONE. THAT'S 5,000 FOR US. 21 MINUTES. DID YOU GIVE THAT THING TO ? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GIVE PARTICIPATION TO KEEP THE, THE, THAT DEPARTMENT. I DUNNO WHY YOU'RE BEING SO MANY. WE'RE FINANCING. I DUNNO WHY YOUR REPUTATION PROCEED. EVERYBODY IN, EVERYBODY IN DON'T [01:30:05] KNOW HOW HARD I MY TONGUE. OH, I LIKE DALLAS COUNTY. I'D SEE WHY THEY'RE, UH OH YEAH, WHY THEY'RE LOW BECAUSE GOODNESS GRACIOUS. YEAH. COMMISSIONER JACKSON IS GETTING INITIATED TODAY. SO HE MAKES A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS AND COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR THE PRIVILEGE OF MAKING A MOTION TO ADJOURN. THAT'S OKAY. Y'ALL, Y'ALL GOING TO SCHOOL NEXT WEEK, BUT YOU WON'T GO INTO AN AFTER COURT MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I PROBABLY LEAVE UNTIL TUESDAY. WE ALSO HAVE A M GOING NEXT. MM-HMM . YOU GOING? I'M JUST GOING TUESDAY MORNING. OH, MARYANNE AND I ARE GOING. OH, YOU AND MARYANNE. YEAH. I'LL HAVE TO MEET IN HERE. YOU NOT GOING IN MARCH? YEAH, THEY GOT, OH, I MIGHT, YOU HAVE THE, THE LEADERSHIP SCHOOL. YOU'RE FIXING TO START THE LEADERSHIP UH, CLASSES. YEAH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A M NEXT WEEK. YOU HAVE A M NEXT WEEK AND THEN THE WEEK AFTER IS THE LEADERSHIP. MM-HMM . UH, LAURA'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP TRAINING. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WE WENT TO. YEAH. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS IS, UH, Y'ALL WENT TO UH, IT WAS A VG YOUNG THING. THE VG YOUNG DEAL. SHE'S GOING THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF THAT'S ONE THAT WE JUMPED OUT AIR FROM. YEAH. SERIOUSLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. TIME AS FAR AS THEIR UNITY PROJECT, WHATEVER. YEAH. JUMP OUT THEIR SOMEBODY. SO WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I, I MAKE THAT MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROW. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.