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WE ACTUALLY LIVE TO LOOK DOWN AND BLESS THIS COURT.
BLESS DECISION THAT ARE BEING MADE IN THIS COURT.
BE WITH US IN ALL THAT WE DO BEST, OUR TRUTH THAT ARE OVERSEAS.
AND FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO LOOK DOWN ON THE OF THIS NATION.
IN JESUS NAME, STATES OF AMERICA AS THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION OF MY GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE TOGI TO ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
OKAY, Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.
IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.
MOTION WILL MADE BY JC JACKSON.
JCS LEARNED THAT IF YOU HESITATE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET IT SOON.
FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS MORNING IS MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING ON, UH, REGARDING SETTING A SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES PER HOUR AND PLACING A 30 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
SIGNED ON SMOKE LANE IN CALKIN COUNTY PRECINCT.
COMMISSIONER DOUGH WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL SECOND IT.
SO WE'LL MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THAT SPEED LIMIT.
DOES ANYONE, ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE OF SETTING A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON SMOKE LANE IN COFFMAN COUNTY PRECINCT? NUMBER FOUR, NO ONE WISHES TO SPEAK.
NO ONE WILLING WI UH, WISHING TO SPEAK, THEN WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING TO OUR REGULAR MEETING MADE BY COMMISSIONER LER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
AND WE BACK IN OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.
AND, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO, UH, CONSIDER SETTING A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, UH, AND, AND PUTTING THE SIGNS UP ON SMOKE LANE IN COUNTY TON.
COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER FOUR, MADE BY COMMISSIONER KELLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
NOW IT'S THIRD MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT FOR YOU SPEED DOWN THERE ON SMOKE LANE.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, CAPTAIN MORRIS GOING DISCUSS CONTINUING THE CONNECT CITY EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM AND RENEWING THE CONTRACT.
UM, IF Y'ALL GOT A CHANCE TO READ THE EMAIL THAT I SENT LAST WEEK ABOUT THE ENS, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE.
AND WE CAN REVISIT THE ROLE THING FROM BUDGET TIME AGAIN, BECAUSE FROM WHAT ESTIMATES I'M GETTING FROM A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMPANIES, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THAT ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO $50,000.
SO IF WE JUST CONTINUE WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW, WE CAN POSSIBLY GET AN EXTENSION.
WE'LL HAVE AN OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE, POSSIBLY GET AN EXTENSION ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT, THE COMPANY SEE 50, DO THAT AND WE CAN REVISIT THIS, THAT BUDGET TIME.
AND THAT WILL STILL BE ON THE GRANT NOW.
THIS CONTRACT WOULD STAY THROUGH THE GRANT.
ANYTHING ELSE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE, AND WE CONSIDERED THAT BUDGET TIME FOR RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA COST 10.
RIGHT NOW, THE COMPANY WOULD NOT OR COULD NOT, THEIR SERVICE DOES NOT SPLIT UP BETWEEN EMERGENCY AND NON EMERGENCY.
THE SAME PRICE FOR UNLIMITED USAGE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, IS THAT 40,000 A YEAR? THAT'S NOT VIABLE PROGRAM.
IF WE STAY WITH THESE PEOPLE OR GO WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO ABOUT 52
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A YEAR, KATHY WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A TEST RUN BEFORE WE MAKE A, I MEAN, WE NEED TO RIGHT NOW, BEFORE WE COMMIT FOR 40,000 FOR NEXT YEAR TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, UH, IF IT WORKS, THERE'S SITUATIONS THAT IF, IF YOU ENACT BURN BAND, WE CAN DO AN AUTOMATIC FILE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY TO SEE HOW IT WORKS.WE'LL, WE'LL GET A REPORT BACK FROM HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE CONTACTED, HOW MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T MAKE CONTACT, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THE SYSTEM DOES THAT FOR US, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A EXERCISE FOR THE CITY'S READINESS INITIATIVE PROGRAM ON MARCH THE SEVENTH.
BUT I'M GONNA USE IT FOR, WE HAVE TO DO A CALL DOWN EXERCISE FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 200 PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA USE IT FOR THAT, SEE HOW IT WORKS THERE.
SO IT REALLY IS NOT GONNA COST US ANYTHING UNTIL JULY FOR NEXT YEAR BUDGET.
MAY THERE MAY BE A PERIOD OF TIME THERE WHEN I'VE COVERED THE SYSTEM.
BUT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE ABOUT IT.
I JUST TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT IT AND HE'S, WE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SYSTEMS IN PLACE IF WE NEED TO NOTIFY PEOPLE AND GET, AT WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE GET OUT AND GO DOOR TO DOOR IF WE HAVE TO, DEPENDING ON FLOODING SITUATIONS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE.
WHEN WE'VE HAD NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THREAT OF BEING FLOODED.
WE'VE NOT ACTUALLY DOOR TO DOOR TO LET PEOPLE KNOW BECAUSE SOME FOLKS DON'T HAVE TELEPHONES AND SOME FOLKS THEIR CELL PHONES DON'T WORK OR WHATEVER.
SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT TODAY AND THEN REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT IT IN JULY AS TO WHAT OUR SITUATION WILL BE IN JULY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, YOU NEED A LITTLE MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS UNTIL BUDGET TIME, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER TELLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROWDEN.
THAT ALL YOU NEED RIGHT NOW? THAT'S IT.
UH, RICHARD MURPHY'S GONNA BRING THE, UH, TEXAS COLLECTIONS MONTH FOUR FOR JANUARY, AND EVERYONE IS VERY ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THIS REPORT.
AFTER YOUR DECEMBER REPORT, WE HAD A LOT OF WORRIES.
SO I'M HOPING THIS JANUARY REPORT WILL HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE WORRIES THAT WE HAD ALLEVIATE THOSE WORDS.
WELL, COMMISSIONER ROUND, WOULD YOU FIRST MAKE SURE I GOT THE RIGHT PAY
WE GOT A LITTLE EDITING PROBLEM HERE, BUT WHICH SAYS OH 8 0 9 UP THE TOP.
YOU LIKE TO EDIT? ANY RATE SO FAR THIS YEAR? WE'VE COLLECTED 22.9 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND AND 3.7 MILLION IN THE ROAD BRIDGE.
THIS IS EQUAL TO 80% OF THE LEVY.
AND THIS TIES OR EXCEEDS EACH OF THE LAST 13 YEARS PERCENTAGE COLLECTIONS, EXCEPT FOR LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 83%.
BUT IF WE ADD MONDAY SINCE MONTH, SINCE OUR LAST DAY WAS A SATURDAY, AND SO OUR LAST DAY BECAME MONDAY, IF WE WERE ABLE TO ADD MONDAY, WE WOULD TIE THE 83% BECAUSE WE COLLECTED OVER, WELL, ALMOST 900,000 OF COUNTY FUNDS ON MONDAY.
WE ALSO COLLECTED ANOTHER 900,000 ON TUESDAY, BUT I DIDN'T PUSH IT THAT FAR.
SO WE'RE WITHIN 3% OF LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS THE HIGHEST COLLECTION PERCENTAGE WE'D EVER HAD LAST YEAR WAS 83%.
AND THAT THE HIGHEST WE'VE EVER HAD.
AND IF WE HAD MONDAY, WE WILL EQUAL THAT.
AND IF WE HAD TUESDAY AND MONDAY, THEN WE'VE GOT ABOUT 1.8 MILLION MORE.
AND WHAT'S ON THE REPORT? YES SIR.
BUT YOU GOTTA DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE,
ANYWAY, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THAT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, DICK.
AND, UH, MR. ROUND WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT.
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YOU.OKAY, NEXT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR FARM MARSHAL MR. LARRY EWING REGARDING, UH, WHITE COUNTY WHITE BURN PANTS.
IT PROBABLY THINK WE KIND OF CRAZY, BUT LEMME GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS ON A FEW ITEMS. SAID THAT WIND STARTED BLOWING WEDNESDAY AND DRY EVERYTHING UP.
IN THE PAST 30 DAYS, WE'VE HAD THE 133 GRASS FIRE STAGED OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
I KNOW WE BURNED OVER 300 ACRES IN THAT TIME.
ONE STRUCTURE CAUSED BY BURNING TRASH OUT BEHIND IT ON LAST FRIDAY, THERE WAS A TOTAL LOSS.
UH, WE PULLED THE FIRE CAR DEPARTMENTS AND THE FIRE CHIEFS.
AND EVEN THOUGH DROUGHT INDEX LEVELS ARE LOW COMPARED TO WHAT WE NORMALLY GO BY, THEY ARE FOR ALL THE COUNTIES AROUND US THAT ALSO ARE ALREADY IN A BURN BAND.
EVERYBODY'S GOT LOW DROUGHT NUMBERS AND YET THEY ALREADY HAVE BURN BANDS IN HENDERSON COUNTY.
SUPPOSED TO REQUEST THERE'S ON WHATEVER DAY THEY MEET THIS WEEK.
I BELIEVE IT'S TOMORROW TUESDAY TO PUT TUESDAY TO PUT THEIRS IN.
SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND, UH, THE REQUEST FROM THE FIRE CHIEFS, I'D LIKE US TO GO AHEAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S RAINING, I'D LIKE US TO PUT IT IN FOR AT LEAST A 30 DAY TRIAL, AND I WOULD REVISIT THAT THEN IN TWO WEEKS, JUST IN CASE THAT WE SEE THAT WE NEED TO, TO ALTER THAT.
I'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS AND EITHER BE ON THE AGENDA OR I'LL REQUEST THAT WE, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT THAT WAY.
I DO HAVE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP BEFORE YOU MAKE A VOTE ON IT.
UH, GENERAL BEGGAR OUT IN THE BEGGAR COMMUNITY HAS A PROGRAM OUT THERE THROUGH THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT KNOW AGRICULTURE.
HE HAS A CONTRACT THROUGH THEM.
PART OF HIS CONTRACT REQUIRES THAT HE BURN OFF ACREAGE DOWN IN HIS BOTTOM AREAS DOWN THERE AS PART OF HIS CONTRACT.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNTIL HE SCHEDULED IT AND HAD SCHEDULED IT FOR THIS COMING WEEKEND.
AND I TALKED TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ABOUT AGRICULTURAL BURNS.
AND IN THEIR CRITERIA, THERE IS A PRESCRIBED BURN.
IF YOU HAVE A PRESCRIBED BURN THROUGH THE USBA AND YOU HAVE A BURN PLAN THROUGH THEM, AND THERE'S A BURN MANAGER THAT OVERSEES IT, THEN THAT OVERRIDES EVEN THEM.
SO I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT, THAT IF WE PUT THE BURN DOWN ON AND HE DOES IN FACT GET THAT INFORMATION AND THAT BURN PROGRAM SET UP THROUGH THE USDA, THAT THEN WE WOULD STILL ALLOW THAT BURN BASED ON TCE Q'S RECOMMENDATION.
AS LONG AS HE MEETS ALL THAT CRITERIA, AS LONG AS HE MEETS ALL THAT CRITERIA, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY EXCEPTION THERE COULD BE TO IT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON TCE Q'S INFORMATION THAT HE GETS THAT THROUGH THE USDA THAT WE COULDN'T ACTUALLY STOP IT.
AND SO IT, IT WOULD BE WELL-MANAGED.
I'M SURE HE WOULD JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, BUT I STILL REQUEST IT BURN.
DO YOU KNOW THE LOCATION OF THAT? IT'S RIGHT BEHIND HIS HOUSE, DOWN IN THOSE FLATS, DOWN BEHIND HIS HOUSE.
IF YOU GO UP THERE, NOT THE OLD HOME, IT'S, IT ALMOST GOES IN BEHIND THE OLD HOME PLACE.
BUT THE MORE BEHIND WHERE HE CURRENTLY RESIDES AT, YOU GO STRAIGHT DOWN BEHIND HIS HOUSE, THERE'S ONE OPEN AREA DOWN THERE IN THE BOTTOM.
SO HE'S GOT A PLOW AROUND NOW ABOUT PROBABLY 20 FEET AROUND IT RIGHT NOW.
HE'S GONNA RE PLOW IT AND SPLIT IT UP INTO SECTION, AND THEN HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE PLENTY OF HELP.
NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING WON'T GO WRONG? THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, AS I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, SIR, BUT HE WILL TAKE ALL PRECAUTIONS NECESSARY AND IF IN FACT HE MEETS THAT HE GETS THAT PRESCRIBED BURN PLAN ISSUED BY THE USDA, IT'S KIND OF OVER OUR HEAD, UNLESS WE JUST WANNA BULLY OUR WAY INTO YES.
THE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT, THAT YOU LOST LAST FRIDAY, WAS THAT A A A HOUSE OR BARN? YES, SIR.
IT, IT WAS A SINGLE WIDE MOBILE HOME OCCUPIED, TWO ADULTS WITH TWO CHILDREN, AND THEY WERE BURNING TRASH OUT BEHIND IT, THEIR OWN TRASH RIGHT OUT THERE BEHIND IT.
CAME OUT OF THE BURN BARREL ON THE GROUND UNDER THE HOUSE.
WHERE WAS THAT? SO THE AMBULANCE HOL HOL OH YEAH.
SAW THE AMBULANCE GOING, FOLLOWING ONE OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
YEAH, THAT WAS ME AND THEM GOING OUT THERE FROM OUT THERE TO THAT FIRE.
SO IT WASN'T A REPORT OF ANYBODY INJURED AT THE TIME? WELL, IT WAS BEFORE SMOKE INHALATION BECAUSE THEY WENT BACK INSIDE TRYING TO RECOVER SOME IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION, WHICH IS ALL THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET.
THEY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE OUTTA IT, SO, BUT YES, THAT WAS, UH, WE HAVE RECOLLECTION THAT THEY, IF THEY GONNA BURN SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO BURN BARREL.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, LET'S SAY WE'RE NOT IN A BURN BAND AS OF RIGHT NOW.
YES, IT WOULD BE IN A BARREL WITH A WIRE COVER OVER IT, WITH A WATER HOSE BY IT.
AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO WATCH IT NOW.
THAT'S THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REGULATIONS, WHICH WE TRY TO MAKE THEM ADHERE TO.
IF THEY CALL US AND SAY, WE WANT TO, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO HAVE AVAILABLE.
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AND SO THEY DID NOT, UNFORTUNATELY, I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS A CHILD THAT WENT BACK AROUND THERE UNATTENDED AND THREW SOMETHING INTO THE BARREL.AND SO HE KIND OF ALMOST HAD THE POTENTIAL FOR A REAL PROBLEM THERE.
BUT FORTUNATELY, THE CHILD WAS BURNED IN THE PROCESS.
WE ENFORCE THE BAND EVEN THOUGH IT'S RAINING THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
I PERSONALLY WITNESSED TWO FIRES AND THE AMOUNT OF FUEL THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE WIND IS, IT, IT, IT GETS REAL SCARY.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
CONSIDER ADVERTISING A BID TO PURCHASE, A USED SELF-PROPELLED SINGLE DRUM RULER FOR PRECINCT NUMBER ONE, JACK.
I HAVE A REQUEST FOR PRECINCT ONE TO PURCHASE A USED ROLLER, AND I PROPOSE THE FOLLOWING DATES, UH, CLOSE ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH AND OPEN ON MARCH 2ND, MONDAY, MARCH 2ND.
TEXT INDEPENDENT DAY, I THINK IT IS, JUDGE.
OH, REALLY? MAKE ANOTHER MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROUNDING.
UH, NEXT ONE, DISCUSS, CONSIDER PLANS FOR REMODELING THE EXTERIOR OF THE COFFMAN COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING IN KAUFMAN, UH, BEING PRESENTED BY KEN HILL OF, UH, NABC ARCHITECTS.
UH, DO Y'ALL RECALL, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE AUTHORIZED, UH, UH, EXPENDITURE TO, UH, LET HIM, UH, GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO TO, UH, IMPROVE THE LOOKS OF, UH, OUR BUILDING HERE.
AS ALL KNOW, WE GET SEVERAL CALLS, UH, PRETTY OFTEN ON HOW UGLY THIS BUILDING IS.
AND, UM, MAINLY RIGHT NOW, WHY CAN'T WE FIX THAT BROKEN WINDOW? UM, WHICH BY THE WAY, THAT'S, THAT $3,500 HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED.
YEAH, THAT'S IN THE MOVE RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, WE TALKED TO FREDDY GUTHRIE ABOUT THAT.
HE'S WORKING ON, I'M GONNA DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
IF I MAY, I'LL TURN THE EASEL TOWARD THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE AUDIENCE IN THIS END OF THE CHAMBER.
AND THEN I'VE GOT A FEWS, ANY OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I'LL HAND OUT, SEE WHAT HE'S DONE, WANTS, COME OVER HERE BY THE, UH, JURY, JURY PANEL.
AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE JU I THINK SIGNED UP THAT WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A SCOPE OF WORK FIRST, AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU HOW TO LEAD THROUGH THE EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 CHIEFS.
I'M GONNA TAKE THE ADVICE OF A PREACHER FRIEND OF MINE.
I'M GONNA STAND UP STRAIGHT AND SPEAK UP LOUD AND SIT DOWN QUICK, SO YOU'LL APPRECIATE ME.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD THAT.
BUT OUR SCOPE OF WORK HERE THAT WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH WAS LIMITED TO THE RESTORATION, ADAPTIVE RESTORATION OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AS FAR AS THE FIRST PHASE OF WORK, KEEPING COSTS IN MIND, UH, SECONDARILY TO THAT, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE PRIMARY EMPHASIS WOULD BE ON THE, THE, UH, FRONT TWO PRIMARY FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
WE ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING.
AT THIS STAGE, WE HAVE ASSUMED THAT A NEW HIGH PERFORMANCE MEMBRANE ROOF WOULD BE NECESSARY.
UH, AND OTHER THINGS, THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK IS, ARE THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AS FAR AS IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE ROOF.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 5,400 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING AS IT WOULD RELATE TO THE AMOUNT OF ROOF THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
THERE'S 2,800 SQUARE FEET OF EXTERIOR BRICK ON THE FACADE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RESTORED.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, UH, THE RESTORATION, UH, TO BE SIMILAR TO SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AROUND TOWN, AND ACCORDING CERTAINLY TO THE CITY OF KAUFMAN ORDINANCE THAT'S WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY FOR RESTORATION.
I, UH, WHEN THE PREVIOUS CITY PLANNER WAS HERE, UH, CONTRIBUTED SOME, I CONTRIBUTED SOME TO THAT ORDINANCE.
UH, I HOPE IT'S A GOOD ORDINANCE.
UH, IT'S VERY REASONABLE IN THE SENSE THAT IF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS AFTER THE, THE PLASTER AND THE MARBLE IS TAKEN AWAY, IF THE EXTERIOR CONDITION OF THE BRICK IS CONDUCIVE TO DO SO, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE RESTORED.
UH, IT CAN BE REPAIRED, RESTORED, UH, CLEANED WHAT'S CALLED TUCK POINTED.
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THE BUILDING SHOULD APPEAR AT, YOU KNOW, AS IT DID IN AN EARLIER BUREAU.UH, THE SECOND PLATE, OR THE SECOND SHEET, IS JUST SIMPLY QUITE SIMPLY THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY.
AS I HAVE ALLUDED TO ALREADY, THE SCOPE OF THE WORK ON THE PRIMARY TWO FACADES WOULD BE TO REMOVE MATERIALS THAT WERE ADDED WHENEVER THAT WAS, FIFTIES, SIXTIES, WHENEVER THAT MATERIAL WAS ADDED.
IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING.
IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE SQUARE.
SO THE, UH, INITIAL PROCESS WOULD BE A DEMOLITION PROCESS TO STRIP AWAY THOSE MATERIALS AND TO KIND OF A DISCOVERY PROCESS TO VERIFY WHAT'S UNDERNEATH STRUCTURALLY VERIFY THAT EVERYTHING, UH, IT HAS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND THEN IT CAN BE BUILT ON.
THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE, AND WE'LL GET TO A COLOR IN A MOMENT.
UH, IT'S THE THIRD SHEET IN THE LITTLE EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 PACKET.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF DRAWINGS THAT WOULD BE FURTHER DEVELOPED TO GIVE THE CONTRACTOR'S INSTRUCTION ON THEIR SCOPE OF WORK.
IT'S, UH, A TECHNICAL DRAWING, UH, TECHNICAL BY NATURE.
UH, AND I'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THAT TO GET THROUGH THEN.
THE, THE LAST AND FINAL PLATE AT THIS STAGE, THE COLOR RENDITION OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO RESTORE THE BRICK.
IF, UH, MUCH OF THE BRICK BY OUR VISUAL OBSERVATION APPEARS TO BE, UH, RESTORABLE CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE INTACT.
UH, THE PRIMARY FACADE, UH, WITH THE, UH, MANY OF THE WINDOWS ARE INTACT, I SHOULD SAY AT LEAST THE OPENINGS ARE IN PLACE SO THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE WOULD BE ADDRESSED AS THIS WITH THE ADDITION OF SUSPENDED CANOPIES, UH, WITH THE CLEAR STORY, UH, WINDOWS TO BRING IN LIGHT ABOVE FLAT CANOPIES.
AND THEN THE SECONDARY FACADE, UH, ON THE SIDE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD TAKE ON THIS, OR PARDON ME, THE PRIMARY FACADE ON THE FRONT IS THIS, WITH THE SECONDARY FACADE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING BEING THE LONGER FACADE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE FOR PURPOSES OF BUDGET THAT AT THIS POINT, UH, CLEANING RESTORATION AND PAINTING WOULD BE ON THE OTHER, BE DONE ON THE OTHER TWO FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
UH, CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'VE TRIED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SEE IS, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT WINDOW THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE NOW IS SO BIG THAT IT'S A PROBLEM TO EVEN GET THAT REPLACED.
SO HE'S ADDRESSED THAT BY PUTTING, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, KEN, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, SOME SPACE.
THESE WOULD BE EXPRESSED PANELS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
TO, AGAIN, TO RESTORE THE GENERAL APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING TO AN EARLIER ERA WHEN THAT WAS, UH, 30 INCHES OR SO THEREABOUT.
IT WOULD, THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR DOING THAT.
QUITE FRANKLY, IT ALLOWS EVEN A MORE ECONOMICAL GLASS TO BE USED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FULLY TEMPERED PANEL JUST BY CODE.
IF THERE IS A DIVISION THAT AT 30 INCHES, THEN THE GLASS THAT'S USED CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ECONOMICAL.
IT COULD BE A KNEE GLASS INSTEAD OF SAFETY GLASS.
CAN YOU, WELL, I KNOW IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT YOU CAN PUT BULLETPROOF PLASTIC IF YOU NEEDED.
IT IS A COST FACTOR, AS YOU SAID, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S ONE, ALL THESE THINGS OVER BULLET HOLES, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
PEOPLE, THEY THINK THE JUDGE IN THIS BUILDING, SO THEY THINK I'M IN THAT CORNER OFFICE.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE D***S IN THERE.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT GLAZINGS THAT ARE L SANDWICHES L AND SANDWICHES THAT, THE, THE DOWNSIDE TO THAT, AGAIN, I PROBABLY DON'T GET NEED TO GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT TYPICALLY BULLET, BULLET RESISTANT GLAZING, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA GONNA SHOW THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN SHOT.
IT'S JUST GONNA TURN THE BULLET BACK FOR THE SAFETY OF, OF PEOPLE THE INHABITANTS INSIDE.
SO, AND THE, WITH THAT MUCH GLASS, IT NEED TO BE, UH, TEMPERED, UH, DOUBLE PANE, DOUBLE PANE, DOUBLE WHATEVER TO KEEP THE SUN HEAT FROM THE SUN OUT.
TYPICALLY, WITH THE CODES THAT ARE IN PLACE THIS DAY AND TIME, YOUR TYPICAL GLASS USED IS, YOU KNOW, HAS AN EVEN SYMMETRY FACTOR.
A HIGH E GLASS THAT HAS AN EM FACTOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS STILL CLEAR, BUT IT DOES HAVE A REFLECT REFLECTIVE VEIN ACROSS US TO HEAT OFF.
AND THEN, AS MR. BROWN SAID, IT WOULD BE A DOUBLE INSULATED GLASS.
IT WOULD BE ONE INCH STICK GLASS, UH, TWO QUARTER INCH LAYERS WITH A HALF INCH AIR SPACE BETWEEN.
SO NOW YOU HAD, UH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER ROWDEN HAD SOME, SOME OLDER PICTURES THAT SHOWED THIS BUILDING, UH, THE WAY IT WAS CORRECT BEFORE THAT REMODELING TOOK PLACE IN THE MID FIFTIES.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WENT INSIDE.
THIS CAPTURES, THIS CERTAINLY CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF THAT BUILDING.
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UH, THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED ADAPTIVE RESTORATION, I HAVE A BUILDING THAT OWN IN 20 WHERE I'VE DONE THE SAME TYPE OF THING.UH, YOU DON'T STRAY VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE WAY IT WAS, UH, WHEN I SAY ADAPTIVE RESTORATION, THIS, UH, SIGNAGE MAY NOT HAVE EXISTED.
IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, UH, COFFMAN COUNTY ANNEX SIGNAGE WOULD'VE EXISTED.
BUT YOU DO TAKE CERTAIN LIBERTIES THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T DESTROY THE APPEARANCE OF THE HISTORICAL BUILDING, BUT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT YOU ADD IN ORDER TO INFORM PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THE BUILDING IT IS AND ACTUALLY ADD TO CHARACTER.
BUT, UH, EVEN WITH ADAPTIVE RESTORATION, YOU DO NOT STRAY AWAY FROM WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE.
THE OTHER THING IN ADAPTIVE RESTORATION THAT I MIGHT MENTION, THERE'S TREMENDOUS COST SAVINGS.
UH, AND I'LL DIGRESS FOR A MOMENT BY SAYING WE'VE DONE WORK AT PALESTINE, TEXAS, DIFFERENT FROM OTHER AREAS.
PALESTINE HAS VERY STRONG HERITAGE RULES THAT BASICALLY DICTATE THAT IF A WINDOW IN A BUILDING, A WOOD WINDOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO RESTORE IT AS A WOOD WINDOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO HAND BUILD IT.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT DOES TO CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S BUILDINGS WHERE A SINGLE WINDOW THAT GETS REBUILT BY HAND BY, YOU KNOW, CREATING MILL WORK.
I MEAN, A WINDOW MAY BE $3,000.
SO ADAPT TO RESTORATION AFFORDS YOU THE LIBERTY TO USE MODERN MATERIALS.
BUT AGAIN, THE APPEARANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE INSULATED GLASS AS A MODERN MATERIAL, WE WOULDN'T WANT GO BACK AND USE THE 16TH INCH MEDIA GLASS, LIKE, WOULD BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, ACCURATE.
BUT APPEARANCE WISE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON, THE AVERAGE ARCHITECT WOULD NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
UH, AS FAR AS APPEARANCE WAS, WOULD WE TRY TO USE THE SAME COLOR THAT'S, WOULD WE LEAVE THIS BRICK THE SAME COLOR, OR DOES THIS INCLUDE PAINTING THAT BRICK? OR WOULD YOU JUST LEAVE THE BRICK AS THE, THE NATURAL COLOR THAT IT IS PART OF THE PROCESS? PART OF THE DEMOLITION PROCESS WOULD BE TO EVALUATE NOT ONLY THE STRUCTURAL CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, THE INTEGRITY, BUT ALSO THE COLOR.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IT MAY HAVE BEEN PATCHED, HOW MUCH IT WAS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF ADDING THE MARBLE AND STUCCO.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF, IF THE BRICK HAD BASICALLY EMERGES FROM THE DEMOLITION PROCESS ESSENTIALLY UNSCATHED, THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO, TO SEAL THE BRICK.
IT'S NATURAL COLOR, PUT A SEAL ON THE BRICK.
BUT THE BEAUTY OF BOTH, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, AND, AND OF COURSE THE, THE CITY OF KAIN ORDINANCE ALLOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING TO BE PAINTED, IF IT'S BEEN SO TERRIBLY DAMAGED BY THE ADDITION OF THOSE FIFTIES, SIXTIES MATERIAL, IS THEY, IT CAN'T BE RESTORED, NATURAL.
IDEALLY IT WOULD BE RESTORED, UH, CLEANED, UH, YOU KNOW, POWER WASHED OR HAND WASHED, AS THE CASE MAY BE, AS IS REQUIRED.
UH, AN INCH OR SO OF THE MASONRY WILL BE SCRAPED.
I MEAN, THE MORTAR WILL BE SCRAPED OUT.
IT'S CALLED THE TUCK POINTING PROCESS, NEW MORTARS PUT IN PLACE BOTH FOR WEATHERPROOFING AND FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
UH, AND THEN A SEALANT, TYPICALLY A CLEAR SEAL, WHICH HAS NO COLOR, IS PUT OVER TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL COLOR OF THE BRICK.
SO POSSIBLE WE WE'LL MAINTAIN THE SAME COLOR YEAH, YEAH.
AND WE'VE NOTICED, LOOKING UP UNDER THE GRILLAGE THAT WAS ADDED, LOOKING UP UNDER, I, AS I RECALL PARTICULARLY, UH, AROUND SOME OF THE WINDOW OPENINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU CAN GET A FEEL, THE OLD WINDOW OPENINGS, YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE, UH, BRICK COLOR WAS.
IT'S A FAIRLY MORE WARM COLOR, AS WAS COMMON DURING THAT AREA WITH THIS, UH, RENDITION OF, UH, THE PLAN.
UH, THERE'S NOT ANY ROOST IN PLACES FOR PIGEONS THERE
SIDEWALK GETS PRETTY TOUGH THERE.
IT HAS, IT IS A CONSTANT PROBLEM THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.
AND, UH, I, I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY.
I WON'T TELL YOU THERE'S A PERFECT WAY TO DEAL WITH PIGEONS, BUT WITH, WITH, UH, STRING PINS AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, UH, AND WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, AS A, FOR INSTANCE, TRYING TO KEEP EYEBROW ROOFS AND THAT KIND OF THING, TRYING TO SLOPE THEM, UH, YOU, YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN PRESENTING, IN PREVENTING ROOSTING, I SHOULD SAY.
I, I'M FROM, ORIGINALLY FROM AN ERA WHERE PLANTATIONS WERE PROMINENT, AND I NEVER KNEW THAT YOU CAN HELP PREVENT BIRDS ROOSTING BY, YOU KNOW, SHOW HOW, SHOW HOW IGNORANT I'M, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN HELP PREVENT BIRDS FROM ROOSTING AT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BY HAVING A PORCH TO BE A LIGHT BLUE COLOR BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S THE SKY AND THEY WON'T COME UNDER THERE.
THEY'RE AFRAID A HAWKS GONNA COME SWOOPING DOWN OUTTA THE AIR AND EAT THEM.
SO, BUT THERE'S WAYS TO, TO HELP PREVENT THAT PROBLEM.
THE CITY MANAGER HERE, YOU DON'T WANT COMMENT ON, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT DO YOU THINK OUGHT DO WITH THIS BUILDING? I PLAN A JUDGE ON IT.
UH, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IS REALLY, UH, EXCITED ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, AND AS YOU
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KNOW, WE WANT SEE THE WHOLE, UH, SQUARE TRY TO RESTORE IT AND, AND, UH, AND MADE IMPROVED.AND THIS FITS RIGHT INTO OUR PLANTS.
SO WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, AND I HOPE THAT YOU FOLLOW THROUGH.
WE HAVE MR.
AND, AND, UH, VERY MUCH A ASSET TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I'VE SEEN IT'S A VERY NICE JOB.
I THINK HE MAY BE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BECAUSE ARE YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SAMMY, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOU.
WELL, UH, I REPRESENT A GROUP WE JUST STARTED.
IT'S, UH, FRIENDS OF DOWNTOWN KAUFMAN IS THE NAME WE CAME UP WITH.
IT'S A 5 0 1 C NONPROFIT GROUP.
UH, AND AT OUR FIRST MEETING, WE PROBABLY HAD 20, 20, 22 PEOPLE SHOWED UP WITH, UH, JUST PEOPLE JUST WALKING AROUND THE SQUARE ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, WE HEARD FROM SOMEONE THERE IS, LET'S DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE GROUPS HAVE FORMED AND FALLEN APART THROUGH THE YEARS.
UH, UH, WE HOPE TO BE, UH, MORE ACTIVE GROUP.
I TRIED TO THINK THIS MORNING WHAT I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WE ARE.
AND WE ARE NOT HERE TO MAKE, UH, FIRST THING.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO FORCE STORE OWNERS TO REFURBISH THEIR FRONTS.
IF IT'S ECONOMICALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO DO THAT, OR WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY HERE TO FORCE YOU TO TRY TO DO THOSE THINGS.
IT'S ONE POINT KEN MADE IS THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE, UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT GROUP IS THAT THAT, UH, THAT KIND OF DICTATES THE, THE, UH, MAIN STREET, MAIN STREET, MAIN STREET GROUP THAT DICTATES, I MEAN, WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE'RE NOT THAT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY LOOK, BE LOOKING AT A HUGE RESTORATION.
BUT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR GROUP, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE LEFT WITH WHAT ARE WE CIVIC PRIDE.
UH, IT CAME TO MIND, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT CIVIC PRIDE, IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY.
AND ONE I WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU TODAY, AND WHAT YOU GOTTA THINK HARD ABOUT, AND I'M HOPING, I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY TO VOTE EITHER WAY.
I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE GONNA VOTE THE RIGHT WAY.
UH, WE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, MEETINGS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED.
PEOPLE CAME TO THE, TO THE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT COFFMAN THE WAY IT WAS.
AND PROBABLY YOU GUYS AREN'T THAT OLD, BUT, UH, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS PEOPLE CAME TO THE SQUARE AND THEY SAT OUT ON THEIR CARS AND THEY WENT TO THE SODA SHOP AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FOOTBALL GAME.
WE CAN'T OFFER THAT IN A STRIP MALL OUT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY.
WE CAN ONLY OFFER IT RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE, WHAT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO BRING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY BACK.
AND WITH A SENSE OF COMMUNITY COMES THESE THINGS, LESS DRUGS, LESS CRIME, AND BETTER TAXPAYERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT ALL, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE HERE.
UH, SO THINK HARD, AND I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU WITH THIS LAST THOUGHT.
50 OR 60 YEARS AGO, GUYS SAT IN THE ROOM, PROBABLY MAY HAVE BEEN THIS ROOM, AND THEY MADE THIS DECISION HERE TO TEAR DOWN A COURTHOUSE THAT WOULD'VE BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER TO COME LOOK AT, AND THEY MADE THE WRONG DECISION.
SO I HOPE YOU'LL MAKE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A TWO, TWO TIE
DO WHAT YOU KNOW, SAMMY, THAT WAS, UH, A TWO, TWO TIE ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
OH, IT WAS TWO FOR TEARING IT DOWN AND BUILDING THIS, THIS THING OVER HERE, AND THEN TWO FOR RESTORING THAT ONE AND KEEPING IT COUNTY JUDGE BROKE THE TIE.
AND SO HE VOTED TO TEAR THIS DOWN.
AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR MOVED TO, UH, WEATHERFORD STORY.
FRED BANKHEAD WAS A COUNTY JUDGE, AND HE VOTED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND, AND, UM, BUILD THIS ONE, AND THEN, AND THEN HE LEFT.
AND WEATHERFORD HAS ONE OF THESE.
YEAH, JUDGE, I JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, I KNOW THAT OUR MAIN THRUST IS NOT TO TRY TO SATISFY THE PEOPLE OF COLOR, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO, UH, MAINTAIN AN IMAGE HERE THAT WOULD, UH, TRY TO, UH, ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AS, AS SAMMY WAS TALKING ABOUT, OUR MAIN THRUST IS, CAN WE AFFORD THIS? CAN WE DO IT? UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR OWN IMAGE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT.
SO, UH, I, I THINK KEN HAS SOME FIGURES ABOUT, UH, WHAT THIS MIGHT COST AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE INTERESTED IN.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO, I MIGHT DIGRESS AND MENTION ONE THING TO SAMMY FOR THE MOMENT TOO.
YOU'RE, I KNOW THAT YOU OF ALL PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OF KAUFMAN
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ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOES NOT ONLY ENCOURAGE THE HISTORICAL RESTORATION PORTION OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE NOT ONLY ENCOURAGES DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT, IT GIVES SOME LEEWAY AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO PULL TABLES OUT ON THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, HAVE CAFE AREAS OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK.SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS ARE VERY BROAD, SO IT'S A VERY POSITIVE THING, AND THAT ORDINANCE IS WORKING TO ASSIST YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO TRY TO FOSTER GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN.
SEE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP OVER THERE TO SPEAK? I THINK IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT SIGNED UP.
SO, BUT MOVING TO THE COST, UH, AS COMMISSIONER HAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE DONE, AND I'VE ACTUALLY GOT, I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS, BUT, UH, IN A, A COST PROCESS SUCH AS THIS, AS YOU CAN APPRECIATE, AS MUCH OF THE COST DEPENDS ON NOT ONLY THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, WE HAVE TO DEFINE A HARD SCOPE OF WORK, WHICH WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT AS I DESCRIBED TO YOU EARLIER, WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE A ROOF ON THE BUILDING AS PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK.
UH, NOW WHEN YOU SAY A ROOF ON THE BUILDING, WHAT YOU TOLD ME ABOUT WHAT A NEW ROOF SURFACE, A NEW NOT NECESSARILY STRUCTURE OF THAT KIND OF THING, AND I CAN GET INTO SOME DETAIL ON THAT.
WE, WE DID, WE WERE INVOLVED IN AN EARLIER PROJECT TO BASICALLY EVALUATE THE SECOND LEVEL OF THIS BUILDING, UH, A VERY MODEST PROJECT THAT WE DID EARLIER FOR THE COUNTY.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE ASSURANCE THAT THE OLD BUILDING HAS WEATHERED THE STORM VERY WELL.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE OF ANY ROT OR ANY TYPE OF SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL PROBLEM WITH THE ROOF STRUCTURE.
THERE WAS ONE AREA WHERE SOME HEAVING HAD OCCURRED, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE DOWNSTAIRS RENOVATION WORK THAT WAS DONE.
UH, I THINK A COLUMN OR TWO, YOU KNOW, WERE TAKEN OUT AT THAT TIME.
AND SO THERE IS SOME, UH, A FLOOR STRUCTURE ON THE SECOND LEVEL THAT IS NOT UNSAFE, BUT THERE'S JUST SOME EVIDENCE THAT IT'S SAGGED A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE, THE, WE WOULD ASSUME THE LIMIT OF THE, OF WORK IN THIS PHASE ONE OF THE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE LIMITED TO JUST A NEW ROOF MEMBRANE IF, IF IT IS REQUIRED, QUITE FRANKLY.
OKAY, BECAUSE SEE WE'VE JUST HAD THE, UH, FOAM ROOF, A NEW FOAM ROOF PUT IN UP HERE IN THE LAST, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
OKAY? THEN WE CAN VERY, VERY LARGE.
IT ALWAYS LEAKED UNTIL WE WENT TO THE FOAM.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, MY BUILDING ALWAYS LEAK.
I PUT THREE NEW ROOFS ON IT, AND IT CONTINUED TO LEAK UNTIL WE WENT TO THE FOAM ROOF.
SINCE WE WENT TO THE FOAM ROOF ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, WE HAD HAD ONE DROP OF WATER INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S A POSITIVE, THEN WE COULD VERY LIKELY DISMISS THAT.
UH, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UH, I HAVE NOT YET BEEN OUT ON THE ROOF.
ONE OF THE FIRST PHASE PARTS OF PREPARING THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS THAT IT TAKES TO GIVE TWO CONTRACTORS TO COMPETITIVELY BID, THIS WOULD BE TO COMPLETE THE EVALUATION ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST THE VISUAL INSPECTION THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
BUT, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, I HAD PUT IN ABOUT, UH, $32,000, UH, IN AN ARCHITECTURAL ESTIMATE AROUND $32,000 FOR INSULATION, A ROOF AND FOR DOWNSPOUTS.
SOME OF THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO STAY IN PLACE FOR DOWNSPOUTS.
AND SOME OF THAT IS DEDICATED TO THIS RESTORATION OF THIS EYEBROW ROOF AROUND HERE, SOME OF THAT NUMBER.
SO, BUT, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU'VE REALLY, YOU'VE REALLY ASSISTED ME IN BRINGING IT UP, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO A PROJECT LIKE THIS WHERE YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING AS, AS WELL AS YOU CAN, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SURPRISES AND HENCE, YOU KNOW, I'VE EVEN PUT CONTINGENCY IN THE COST THAT THAT MAY NEVER GET USED AS WELL.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO DO A WIDE OPEN NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SOUND SILLY HERE, BUT I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT THE, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL ESTIMATE THAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING RESTORATION PHASE ONE WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 250 TO $300,000.
IT COULD WELL BE LESS THAN THAT.
I'VE TRIED TO HIT A HIGH CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
THAT NUMBER INCLUDES THE COST OF THE GENERAL ESTIMATED NUMBER FOR THE COST OF THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
UH, THERE'S SOME SOFT COST IN THERE, IT'S CALLED, AND THERE'S A 10% CONTINGENCY.
THERE'S A $30,000 CONTINGENCY BUILT INTO THAT NUMBER TO, UH, JUST TO, TO ALLOW THINGS THAT ARE DISCOVERED AS PART OF THE DISASSEMBLY OF THE DEMOLITION TO BE ADDRESSED.
I DO WANNA STRESS THAT THE COST COULD BE LESS THAN THAT.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WHAT WE NORMALLY DO ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS GO INTO THE FIRST PHASE OF A HARD ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT AND, AND, UH, TO PREPARE MORE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS THAN THIS TO A STAGE, TO A PRELIMINARY STAGE, AND THEN GET THOSE IN THE HANDS OF TWO OR THREE CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ULTIMATELY COMPETITIVE BID, UH, COMPETITIVELY BID IT.
BUT THEY CAN GIVE US SOME FAIRLY HARD COSTS AT A PRELIMINARY STAGE WITH NO OBLIGATION ON THE CONTRACTOR'S PART.
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GOOD TIME TO GET SOME CONTRACTORS AT A FAIRLY, UH, PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY, RIGHT? YEAH.PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY RIGHT NOW, KANSAS.
THIS IS JUST AN EXTERIOR REMODEL OF, UH, ANY OF THE NATIONAL ENTRY CODE GOING TO EFFECT IF WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING INSIDE OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN THE WINDOWS.
YEAH, THERE'S THINGS, THERE'S THINGS THAT, UH, MR.
THE A DA IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IF WE REPLACE SOME OF THE EXTERIOR FLAT WORK CONCRETE AROUND THE BUILDING THE SIDEWALK, SO WE WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO A DA, UH, BRING IT IN COMPLIANCE.
IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE, UH, THE ENERGY CODE WILL COME INTO PLAY.
BUT WHEN THE SCOPE OF WORK IS LIMITED AS IT IS, IT BECOMES, AS YOU SAY, JUST A PRACTICAL THING.
IT BECOMES, UH, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN APPLYING DIRECTLY TO U VALUES AS IF IT WERE A NEW BUILDING, IT, IT BECOMES ITEMS LIKE YOU SAY, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE GLASS WITH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT GLASS.
UH, IF THE ROOF IS ALREADY FOAM, THEN CHANCES ARE IT HAS A, AN INSULATION FACTOR THAT'S GONNA BE HELD TO US.
BUT THERE IS, THERE ARE EXCLUSIONS AND EXCEPTIONS FOR THE RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AS COMPARED TO A NEW BUILDING.
SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING, SINCE THIS PHASE WOULD NOT INCLUDE INTERIOR WORK.
UH, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE NEW, UH, ENERGY CODES THAT, THAT JUST TOTALLY OVERHAUL, UH, INTERIOR LIGHTING.
UH, THAT SHOULD NOT COME INTO PLAY AS WELL.
IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANY LIGHTING WE DO UNDER CANOPY OR EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT WE MAY DO.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT TOO.
AND I, I THINK I'VE SPOKEN LONG ENOUGH, UH, BECAUSE I'VE STARTED PREACHING, BUT YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE A DRAMATIC CHANGE TO THIS BUILDING, NOT ONLY WITH THE RESTORATION OF THE SCUR FACADE, BUT LIGHT IS A POWERFUL THING.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY PROPOSE THAT IF THIS PHASE MOVES FORWARD AND THE EXTERIOR RENOVATION PROCEEDS, YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK IT WILL, WE CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO DO SOME TYPE OF DECORATIVE LIGHTING TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING UNDER THIS PHASE, BECAUSE IT'S VERY ECONOMICAL TO DO.
AND LIGHTING IS A VERY, VERY POWERFUL THING.
DID YOUR ESTIMATE COST ESTIMATE POSSIBLY INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE? IT DOES.
IT HAS SOME CANOPY LIGHTS, SOME DOWN LIGHTS IN THE CANOPY, AND IT HAS SOME BUILDING ILLUMINATION LIGHTS.
I MEAN, FOR INTERIOR, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL IN SOMEWHERE WE'RE TRIGGERED TO HAVE TO REDO THE INSIDE AND MEET THE CODE AS FAR AS 20% OR SO.
AS FAR AS UPGRADES TO PANELS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, I, I THINK NOT THIS WOULD ALL BE 120 VOLT, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UH, IT'S OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENT VARIETY.
DOWNLIGHTS WOULD LIKELY BE THE 19 WATT, UH, HIGH EFFICIEN FLUORESCENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, REPLACE A HUNDRED, FALL OFF THE BONE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I, LIKE I SAID, I GIVE THIS EXACT SAME SPEECH ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO IN THE MORNING, AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT GONNA KEEP IT DOWNTOWN, LOOKING LIKE DOWNTOWN NO MATTER WHERE IT'S AT.
BARNEY KEMP, CAROL HAM, WHATEVER.
UH, BUT REALLY BECAUSE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WHETHER WE FALL INTO SOME OF THESE HIDDEN COSTS THAT ARE NOT JUST GOING, IT COULD NOT BE LITTLE BIT HIDDEN.
IT COULD BE THEY COULD RUN INTO A LARGE AMOUNT AND THERE'S KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT WHAT YOU GET INTO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO REDUCE YOUR ENERGY USES ON THE INSIDE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY STILL BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO DO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT COST.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO DO REDUCE ENERGY USES IN THIS BUILDING BY 20% IN ORDER TO DO THIS, IT STILL GET OUR MONEY BACK OVER PERIOD OF TIME.
I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION BACK TO YOU AGAIN, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT IMPACT THE COST? I WOULD SAY, HERE'S MY REACTION TO THAT.
HAVING DONE THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVING DONE THIS KIND OF THING BEFORE, THINGS SUCH AS THE MORE EFFICIENT GLASS OR IT IS GONNA BE A GIVE AND TAKE TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE OPERATION OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THE, UH, CYCLE COST OF THE BUILDING, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE NEW GLAZING, AS WELL AS EVEN THE NEW ALUMINUM METAL STOREFRONT THAT HOLDS THE GLAZING IS GONNA BE FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT'S
SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON ENERGY CONSUMPTION AS IT PERTAINS TO YOUR AIR HANDLING SYSTEMS, AIR CONDITIONING, HEATING AND THAT, THAT KIND OF THING, BECAUSE YOUR ENVELOPE IS GONNA BE AT LEAST SLIGHTLY MORE EFFICIENT.
UH, SO OPERATING COST WISE, I DON'T SEE A MAJOR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR OPERATING COST WITH THE MINOR ADDITION OF EXTERIOR CAMPY LIGHTING AND THAT BUILDING LIGHTING.
AS FAR AS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS PERTAINING TO, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, UH, WILL, WILL WE HAVE TO TAP INTO SOME EXISTING ELECTRICAL PANELS AND PERHAPS ADD SOME BREAKERS TO
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EXISTING PANELS OR PERHAPS EVEN SET A NEW PANEL FOR EXTERIOR LIGHTING.UH, THE COSTS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, COST PROHIBITIVE.
AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'VE GOT, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THE NUMBER TO BE CONSERVATIVE, BUT I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE SOME COSTS BUILT IN, IN THAT.
FRANKLY, I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVE THAT CONCERN BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF WE CAN DO THE MORE EFFICIENT WINDOWS, THAT'S GREAT.
'CAUSE ALL WE'VE DONE TO THESE WINDOWS IS JUST PUT THAT TENT ON IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED MEETING OVER HERE ON MONDAY MORNINGS IN SOMETIME, IT WAS MISERABLE.
IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT SUN COMING RIGHT IN.
FIRST THING WE DID WAS PUT THE AGGIE BLIND
AND AFTER THAT DIDN'T WORK SO WELL, THEN WE HAD THE WINDOWS COMING AND, UH, NOW IT ON MONDAY MORNINGS IT'S NOT SO BAD.
PLUS WE'VE HAD NEW AIR HANDLERS, WE'VE GOT NEW AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, WE'VE GOT NEW BOILERS BECAUSE ALL THIS STUFF WAS PUT IN IN 55, AND IT FINALLY, ACTUALLY, THESE OVER HERE WERE NOT QUITE THAT OLD LIKE THEY WERE OVER THERE.
BUT, BUT, UH, THROUGH, SO THROUGH THE JUST MAINTENANCE OPERATION, WE'VE REPLACED, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING OVER HERE, INCLUDING A LOT OF ELECTRICAL.
UM, SO I, I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT CONCERN BECAUSE I THINK OF ANYTHING, UH, IT WOULD BE MORE UTILITY EFFICIENT, SO TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, I WAS MORE CONCERNED INTERIOR, YOU HAD TO HAVE ENTRANCE ELECTRIC LIGHTS THAT WORK ON MOTION DETECTORS, UH, MORE EFFICIENT ACS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
BUT IF THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER THAT PUBLIC BUILDINGS NOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A, A GROUND BUILD OR EVEN A MAJOR RENOVATION BEYOND A CERTAIN VALUE, YOU'RE EXPECTED TO HAVE THE AUTOMATIC OPERATING EXTERIOR DOORS AS, AS FAR AS AADA A GOES, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONFIRM.
AGAIN, I BELIEVE IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT, UH, AT LEAST TO DATE EXPERIENCE TO DATE THIS TYPE OF A FACADE, REDO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TRIGGERS THE FEWEST NUMBER OF A DA CONCERNS AND ENERGY CONCERNS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT TYPICALLY YOU CAN AVOID A MAJOR REDO, UH, OF THE INTERIOR OF A BUILDING WHERE NOTHING IS GRANDFATHERED.
UH, TO AN EXTENT THAT'S DEPENDENT, UH, DEPENDENT UPON, UH, A LOCAL PLANS EXAMINER.
UH, EVEN A CONTRACT TYPE PLANS EXAMINER, WHERE IT'S CONTRACTED OUT TO AN ENTITY.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THE WORD INTERPRETATION, BUT IT IS TYPICALLY UP TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THE PLANS EXAMINER TOO.
ONE OF THE THING THAT'S NOT VERY EVIDENT, I MENTIONED IT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EVIDENT ON THIS, UH, FLAT DRAWING, IS THE DEPTH OF THE CANOPIES.
THE SWAYED CANOPIES WILL PROVIDE SOME SHADING TO, UH, SHADING TO GLASS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH, UH, SOME OF THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, AS FAR AS A DA COMBINED, FOUR YEARS AGO, I SPENT FOUR MONTHS IN A WHEELCHAIR AND, UH, I WENT AROUND ALL OF OUR FACILITIES IN MY WHEELCHAIR TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE COULD WORK IT, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE IT, UH, THIS BACK HERE WASN'T ANY PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE RESTROOMS AND THE MAIN COURTHOUSE, UH, WE ONLY HAD ONE THAT THE STALLS HAD BEEN TAKEN OUT, AND IT WAS A DA COMPATIBLE AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
THE PROBLEM WAS THE DOOR WAS SO HARD, I COULD NOT OPEN THE DOOR.
SO WE HAD THE, THE DEALS PUT IN, SHE JUST PUSH AND OPENS THE DOOR.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, SO THAT THE HOUSE OVER THERE IS NOW AFTER WE PUT THOSE LITTLE TOOLS IN, BUT, UH, SO I JUST, I JUST THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS BY DOING THAT OUTSIDE.
THE PRIMARY THING HERE AS FAR AS AADA A GOES, I'M CONFIDENT, WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE EXTERIOR, ANY REPLACEMENT OF CONCRETE, WHICH WE DO CONCRETE SOMEBODY IN FOR THAT THERE.
WE, WE DO ANTICIPATE A HISTORICAL PATCH, UH, TILE AT THE FRONT OF ENTRANCE AS WAS DONE MANY TIMES IN BIRKIN UNTIL BUILDINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU'VE SEEN THE LITTLE HEXAGONAL TILES THAT YOU WALKED ON MANY TIMES.
THE TILE HAD THE, THE STREET ADDRESS IN THE TILE.
BUT, UH, TO NOT GET TOO WORDY, AADA A'S PRIMARILY GONNA COME INTO PLAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIDEWALKS AS THEY EXIST OR AS THEY ARE REPLACED, PROVIDE WHAT'S CALLED AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE FROM A HANDICAPPED PARKING PLACE TO A RAMP DIRECTLY TO A DOOR.
AND ALL OF THAT CAN EXCEED A 2% GRADE.
AND AGAIN, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE ALREADY OKAY HERE IN COMPTON IN THAT REGARD.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT DOES THE, THE BUILDING PROPER, UH, DOES, DOES THE STATE OWN THAT
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TO THE BUILDING OR DOES THAT BELONG TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, FROM THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S TDO TDOT RIGHT AWAY.I BET THERE'S PROBABLY A POSSIBILITY.
WE'D PROBABLY FIND SOME MONEY THROUGH THAT TO REDO THE SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A COST TO THE, TO THE CATTLE.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET WITH, UH, PAL AND JOHNNY, UH, JOHNNY'S BEEN QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DECEMBER REPORT CAME IN ON OUR TAXES, UH, OUR COLLECTION WAS VERY, VERY LOW.
AND, UH, OUR TREASURER WAS QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT US RUNNING OUT OF MONEY.
UH, BUT I TOLD HIM, DON'T PANIC UNTIL WE GET THE JANUARY REPORT IN WHICH WE GOT THIS MORNING, AND, UH, SAY WE'RE 80 AT 83% NOW.
UH, SO I NEED, WE NEED TO GET WITH, UH, AL AND JOHNNY TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP AND REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHERE WE THINK WE CAN GET THAT MONEY IF WE CAN, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND SURE.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING MOVE ON WITH, WITH WHAT HE WAS DOING RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO, IF WE WERE READY TODAY, IT'D PROBABLY BE SOME STIMULUS YOU PROBABLY, AND IF WE, WE HAVE 250 WITH OR NOT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE DETERMINED, I GUESS.
BUT HE DOESN'T, I MEAN, I THINK THE PROJECT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALLOWING HIM TO GET SOME MORE, UH, FIRM COST SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT COULD BE, WE NEED SOME KIND OF MOTION TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO DO THAT.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA SAY TO HER BECAUSE THE MAIN THING IS, IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA, BUT HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT IS THE HARD PART.
BUT STILL JUST, ARE WE THAT CONCERNED? DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DOLLARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST TO PROCEED THE PROJECT ON WHETHER WE DO IT NOW, WE TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHATEVER.
DEPENDS WHAT THE ECONOMY HAPPENS WITH ME.
I, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING UNLESS WE KEEP ON GOING ON WITH THE PROGRAM HERE.
AM I CORRECT? WELL, HE SUGGESTED IT'S GONNA RUN AROUND TWO 50 TO 300,000.
UH, AND I THINK IF, IF NOW IN CHINA, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY, WE MAY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START PROJECT.
UH, BUT THE MAIN THING, YOU KNOW, GETTING THINGS READY TO, TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY WITH HIM TO GET THAT DONE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT UNTIL WE KNOW WE'VE GOT 300,000 TO SPEND ON IT, MAYBE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, I MEAN, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A WEEK HERE OR A WEEK AND A HALF, A FEW WEEKS.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO DELAY US THAT MUCH.
NO, I THOUGHT TALKING DOWN BUDGET TIME OR WHATEVER.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT MONEY WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO EVEN AT THAT POINT, CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE TO.
WE CAN COME TO A STOP POINT IN DRAWINGS THAT WE PREPARE.
WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE CAN TAKE THE DRAWINGS TO THE NEXT LEVEL LEVEL THAT WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO GET BETTER QUALITY COSTS.
I TAKE PRIDE IN BEING ABLE TO, TO PRODUCE WHAT I TALKED TO YOU FROM TODAY, AN ARCHITECTURAL ESTIMATE, BUT A CONTRACTOR'S GONNA DO AN ACTUAL TAKEOFF AND EVEN AT A PRELIMINARY STAGE AT THE END OF PRELIMINARY DESIGN, BEFORE THE PREPARATION OF THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS FULLY OCCURS, WE CAN GET A COUPLE OF INTERESTED CONTRACTORS, UH, WITHOUT OBLIGATION.
IF, IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY MIGHT ULTIMATELY HAVE THE CHANCE TO BID THE PROJECT COMPETITIVELY, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US A BETTER QUALITY COST AND WE CAN GET ELSEWHERE.
SO SAY 30% INTO THE WORK THAT WE WOULD DO WOULD BE A STOP POINT AT WHICH WE WOULD WANT TO SOLICIT COST.
NOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY AS ARCHITECTS BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE FAR MORE SKILLED THAN I AM AT DOING COST.
SO IF NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL 'EM WHAT OUR ESTIMATES WERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PREPARE COST THAT WE CAN THEN IN TURN PRESENT TO YOU FROM THEM THAT WOULD GIVE US CONFIDENCE AND, UH, GIVE YOU CONFIDENCE AS WELL THAT'S GONNA OCCUR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHICHEVER WAY YOU FOLKS DECIDE TO GO.
SO HOW, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE DO YOU THINK? PROBABLY THREE.
I'M GONNA SAY TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
LET'S, LET'S SAY A MONTH TO GET DRAWINGS TO THE POINT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME MORE VISITING TO DO ON SITE, SOME MEASUREMENTS TO CONFIRM EVEN ON THE EXTERIOR BUILDING.
WE MIGHT NEED TO GET PERMISSION TO KNOCK A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PLASTER OFF HERE AND THERE JUST TO CONFIRM SOME THINGS.
BUT I WOULD SAY WORST CASE SCENARIO A MONTH, IF NOT TO GET SOME CONCEPTUAL PRICING DRAWS TOGETHER TO GET SOME, UH, HARDER PRICING.
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YOU THINK WE COULD TABLE THIS UNTIL THEY CAME UP WITH THAT AND HAD MAYBE A, A LITTLE HARDER, UH, UH, ESTIMATE FROM, FROM SOMEBUT MY QUESTION TO YOU, KEN, IS THIS, THIS EXTRA WORK THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, GETTING DONE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO, NEXT TWO TO FOUR WEEKS, WILL THAT FALL WITHIN THE CONTRACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITH YOU, OR WILL THAT BE EXTRA MONEY? IT IS.
I CAN GET YOU A NUMBER TOGETHER ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, I GUESS IT'S ACTUALLY EXTRA MONEY IN THE SENSE, AND WE PRETTY WELL PROCEEDED TO THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, PRO BONO ON THIS TO THIS POINT, SO, WELL, WE'VE AUTHORIZED 25,000.
AND I HAVEN'T INVOICED ANYTHING YET, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS GONNA FALL WITHIN THAT 25.
WE CAN MAKE IT, WE DON'T AUTHORIZED TO SPEND THAT.
WE, WE CAN MAKE IT FALL WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
I'LL SEE TO IT, UH, WITH PRESIDENT ECONOMY, I'LL PERSONALLY SEE TO IT AS THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT FALLS WITHIN THAT CONFINED, YES.
THEN I'D SUGGEST, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT THEN, AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA IN ABOUT THREE OR WHEN YOU GET THAT READY.
I CAN BE BACK, WE'LL PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA AND UH, UH, THEN BY THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT THAT MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET OR NOT.
IF WE, I HAVE MORE OF AN IDEA OF EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
AND IT IS, IT IS A WISE THING TO DO.
AS I SAY, WE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE MORE, I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN MY OWN NUMBERS, BUT I HAVE FAR MORE CONFIDENCE IN THE NUMBERS SOMEBODY'S PRODUCING WHEN THEY KNOW THAT POTENTIALLY THEY ARE GONNA BE HELD TO THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY ACTUALLY COMPETITIVELY BID THE PROJECT.
THEY DON'T WANNA MISS IT BY 10% OR SO.
CURTIS, Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I'M EXCITED.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
FORMAN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COFF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HEAVY MONEY TO PUT ON THIS PROJECT.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THE TRUTH, WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE SQUARE RIGHT NOW, UH, UH, THE DIRECTOR, SOMEBODY DIDN'T GIMME ANY MONEY TO LEE HARRIS IS STRUGGLING TO FIND A WAY TO GET HIS CHIPS IN THE POT JUST SO HE CAN GET CREDIT FOR CALLING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
UH, BUT I, WE HAVEN'T FOUND A WAY TO DO THAT YET.
UH, BUT, UH, THE CITY IS, IS, UH, SUPPORTING ANYTHING THAT GOES ON THE SQUARE, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HELP IN, WE'D CERTAINLY BE GLAD TO HELP JUDGE.
I, I MEAN, I RAN INTO SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY RUN INTO AND, AND LIKE I CAME OUTTA THE PAPER SAYS, YOU'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT A RENOVATION, THIS IS A D RENOVATION, SO ALL YOU'RE DOING IS TAKING OFF THE JUNK THAT THEY PUT ON AND GOING BACK DOWN TO THE ORIGINAL SURFACE.
THAT IS NOT A HIGHLY TECHNICAL FEAT.
I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, I DID IT WITH REALLY LOW LEVEL PEOPLE AND MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT HAD NO, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE WERE JUST TAKING THINGS OFF AS CAREFULLY AS WE COULD.
AND I, WITH A MAN LIKE KEN'S KNOWLEDGE BEHIND THE PROJECT.
UM, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T TAKE UP EINSTEIN THAT TO TAKE OFF THE, UH, THE, UH, TILE OFF OF IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IT OFF, AND THAT'S WITH A HAMMER.
AND, UH, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO A FEW ISSUES AS YOU REMOVE THE SURFACES OF THESE THINGS, BUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES CAN BE OVERCOME BY EITHER CHEMICALLY OR, UH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A, A LABOR ISSUE.
UM, NOT A, YOU DON'T NEED SKILLED, UH, CONCRETE GUYS OR, OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU THINK MAYBE I COULD GET FOUR GUYS FROM PRECINCT FOUR HERE? I TOLD JERRY THAT, YOU KNOW, FLASHBACK A HUNDRED YEARS, UH, THE, THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN WOULD'VE COME TOGETHER AND PROBABLY TAKEN OFF THE FRONT OF THE DEAL AND IT WOULD'VE COST THE TOWN NOTHING.
IF YOU ASKED HIM RIGHT NOW, THEY'D MATTER.
I THINK ONE POINT HE DID MAKE IS THAT WHAT, EVERY TIME I'D CALL A A CON CONTRACTOR, A CONSTRUCTION GUY, IT DIDN'T MATTER IF I WAS FIXING MY TOILET OR NOT, IT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS FIVE YEARS AGO.
THAT SAME TOILET GETS FIXED FOR $500 TODAY.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE VERY HUNGRY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THANK YOU, KEN, FOR COMING TALKING.
WE'LL, WE'LL STAY IN TOUCH AS, UH, PROGRESS.
I CERTAINLY DO, AND I CAN LEAVE THIS.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.
WE GET A T-SHIRT IF WE GET THIS FIXED.
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ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT THE WRONG CARD WITH ME WHEN YOU KNOW THE RIGHT CARD IN MY TRUCK, I'LL BRING BACK, UH, MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE PROPERTY CARD.I, I NEED SOME, UH, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE I WANT TO, UH, GIVE YOU A CARD TO, UH, TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE COST.
I'VE GOT A WHOLE STACK IN MY TRUCK AND I'LL BRING IT BACK IN AFTER THE MEETING HERE.
OKAY, LET'S, I GUESS WE COULD GO AHEAD, JURY.
COMMISSIONER ROU AND, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE THIS, THAT WAY THERE WON'T BE ANY QUESTION.
WE, UH, I MAKE A MOTION, JUDGE.
WE TABLE THIS FOR, TO A FUTURE DATE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUESTING THE COUNTY JUDGE TO TAKE APPROPRIATE LEGAL ACTIONS TO RECOVER MONIES FOR ROAD DAMAGES TO COUNTY ROAD 40 17.
UH, WE HAVE TWO NON ALL WEATHER ROADS, 40 61 AND 40 17.
VERY DIFFICULT TO CATCH ANYBODY DOWN NEAR MUD ON THOSE ROADS BECAUSE IT NORMALLY HAPPENS AT NIGHT.
UH, BUT ERIC MINTER, THE STATE GAME WARDEN, UH, CAUGHT SOME MUDDERS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME PICTURES AND SOME NAMES AND ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED.
AND IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND, HERE'S THE LETTER.
I'LL GIVE YOU THIS CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT IF YOU WANT.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS, BUT IT SAYS THE COUNTY JUDGE MAY TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
SO, HOWEVER, IT'S ON THIS AGENDA.
IT SAYS, JUDGE, JUDGE, IF YOU REQUEST, I'LL DO IT.
BECAUSE I, I COULDN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, SO I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING.
WE, UH, REQUEST THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE TAKE APPROPRIATE LEGAL ACTION TO RECOVER MONIES YES.
FOR ROAD DAMAGES TO COUNTY ROAD OF 40 17.
UH, MADE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
UH, LET THESE GUYS LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE TAKE THEM FORWARD.
I PROBLEM OVER THERE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I DID CATCH SOMEBODY ONE TIME OVER THERE DOING THAT AND UH, STOPPED HIM.
I SAID, YOU NEED TO WAIT HERE UNTIL I GET THE SHERIFF OUT HERE.
THE GANG GUY TOLD ME IT ORIGINALLY WAS, AND YOU'LL NEVER BE BACK AGAIN.
IT ORIGINALLY WAS CALLED IN AS, UH, SPOT, YOU KNOW, GOT THE SPOT.
AND WHEN HE GOT DOWN THERE, THESE GUYS WERE HAVING 'EM ALL THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS JUST RUNNING UP AND DOWN.
SEE THE PICTURES, HOW THEY REALLY TEAR IT UP SO THEY HAVE TO, UH, FIX IT.
AND, UH, IF YOU NOTICE THE, UH, I BELIEVE I PUT ON THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT $6,000 IS, WHAT IT'S GONNA COST BECAUSE OF ALL THE RUTS AND EVERYTHING.
I I HOW MANY CAME DOWN? ABOUT THREE RIGHT THERE.
THESE ARE THE NAMES OF WHAT I GET.
I GET SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING.
THIS ONE DOESN'T BELONG TO ANYBODY.
WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY EVER COME UP WITH THAT IDEA.
I GUARANTEE THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL TELL YOU.
WELL, THIS, I I, THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO SET AN EXAMPLE.
I CAN POSSIBLY THE WORD GET OUT FOR EQUIVALENT THESE KIDS.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GET SOME NEWSPAPERS, WE FILE THIS LAWSUIT.
IF WE GET, SEND THE NEWSPAPER A COPY OF THE PETITION.
WELL, I'M VERY FORTUNATE THAT, UH, ERIC MIN TOOK THE EFFORT TO, UH, TAKE SOME PICTURES AND, UH, RESEARCH IT FOR ME.
UH, WOULD THIS SAY PRESENT ON ALL ROAD LIKE THAT? SAY AGAIN? IF YOU, IF YOU THIS MONEY, YOU WENT ON ALL RULES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, GETTING A JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM AND RECOVERING IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, THINGS YEAH.
AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER YOUR INSURANCE
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ON BILLS IS FOR NEGLIGENCE.THIS IS A, A LAWFUL, I MEAN, UNLAWFUL, WILLFUL ACT OF THE TOR AND WILLFUL ACTS.
NORMALLY THEY'RE NOT COVERED ON INSURANCE OFFICES.
THE, BUT THEY'RE STILL ALLOWABLE FOR IT.
AND THEY'VE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD LOOKING VEHICLES THERE.
IF ANY OF YOU WANT FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, YOU CAN LOOK TRANSPORTATION.
YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER RAVEN, THERE'S A, THAT THAT CUT BETWEEN, BETWEEN FARM MARKET 27, 28 AND UH, 34.
THEY USE THAT AS A, A MUTTER BECAUSE I'VE SEEN 'EM OUT THERE.
MOST OF 'EM BEEN GETTING STUCK THOUGH, SO I GET AWAY.
IT'S AN ALL ROAD INTENTIONALLY APPLIES TO UNINTENTIONAL REASON.
THIS HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOLLAR.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'LL TALK TO JOHN AND GET THAT DONE.
UH, NEXT WE'LL DISCUSS, CONSIDER APPROVING MICKEY AL MARK BELL.
DANA CURRY, ANTHONY SCHACH, AND ED WILSON AS COMMISSIONERS TO THE GAN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER SIX AND SLAY.
THAT'S IN YOURS, ANTHONY? UH, PRECINCT TWO.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, IN THE LETTER THAT MR. WILSON HAD SENT TO US, UH, HE WAS MY HIGHEST SCHOOL PRINCIPAL, SO I STILL CALL HIM MR. WILSON
UH, HE ASKED TO APPOINT A COUPLE OF EM FOR THREE YEARS.
SO I'D LIKE TO APPOINT MICKEY
UH, WHO FOR THE TWO YEAR? UH, MER MER.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
AND YOU'VE LOOKED OVER THEIR FINANCIAL REPORT.
WE ACCEPT THE FINANCIAL FOR NUMBER SIX.
CONSIDER USING COUNTY PROPERTY FOR A COUNTYWIDE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY.
IS THAT YOURS? UH, THAT I PUT THAT ON THAT IN TALKING, IN TALKING WITH THE, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT, ONE OF THE, UH, MAJOR CONCERNS THEY HAD, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRAINING PLACE FOR A TRAINING FACILITY FACILITY.
AND THEY HIT ME UP, SAID COULD, THE COUNTY SAID IT'D BE GREAT IF WE HAD A PLACE TO TRAIN OUR GUYS WITH A BURN HOUSE, A CONCRETE BURN HOUSE.
AND SO I PUT THAT, I REQUESTED TO PUT YOU ON AGENDA.
SINCE THEN, I'VE TALKED TO MR. JACKSON ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE.
AND UH, I TOLD THE, THE FIRE, THE FIRE PERSONNEL THAT I WAS TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE COULD DO THAT.
DIDN'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A PLACE IN MIND OTHER THAN THE FACT POSSIBLY THE PROPERTY COUNTY PERSON ON NINE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN MR. JACKSON, ALL MR. JACKSON OVER THERE, ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS A PLATE.
THEY WANTED A PLACE, THEY DID NOT WANT US TO EXTEND ANY MONIES.
AND THAT MAY CHANGE, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT NEEDED A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD DO IT.
WHETHER ALL THE DISTRICTS GOT TOGETHER, FIRE DEPART GOT TOGETHER AND BUILT ONE OF THESE PRACTICE PLACES WITH THEIR OWN NAME.
NOW YOU KNOW THAT MAYBANK HAS, THERE'S ONE IN MAYBANK.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF TRAINING FACILITY, UH, SO FAR RIGHT BEHIND THE RODEO.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE RODEO IS IN MAYBANK? MM-HMM
THERE'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON.
AND THAT IS THE TRAINING FACILITY AREA.
PROPERTY DOWN THERE WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO, UH, LARRY, SIR, THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME THERE WHERE ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS FROM THE, UH, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS GOT TOGETHER ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH AND HAD A BREAKFAST OR LUNCHEON AND, AND VOICE ALL THEIR CONCERNS.
UH, IS THAT STILL HAPPENING? THERE'S A ONCE DAY EVERY THREE MONTHS.
THERE'S A FIRE CHIEF'S MEETING THAT'S COMING UP IN MARCH.
THERE WILL BE ONE COMING UP SOON.
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I, I DON'T SUPPOSE THERE'S NOT A, UM, MEETING OF THE PRESIDENTS OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICTS.I DON'T GUESS THAT'S A, I WOULD NOT BE AWARE OF THEIR, OF THOSE DISTRICTS MEETING COLLECTIVELY.
'CAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY, WE JUST NEED LITTLE COMMUNICATION.
THEIR POLITICAL SO THEY NEED TO FILE AN AGENDA.
BECAUSE MIDNIGHT HAS FIVE ACRES IN IT.
YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT YEAH, I GUESS I, I, I'M JUST GETTING ON, ON THE ACRES DOWN THERE.
SO THE COUNTY ED THERE WAS IN PRECINCT PLACE.
UH, YEAH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS THAT.
SO I REALLY DUNNO THE FULL DETAIL.
BUT AS FOR, AS THE BURN HOUSE AND THE TRAINING FACILITY, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED NOW, UH, IN MAYBANK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND EVERYBODY WOULD USE THAT MAY, BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WELL NEEDED FOR TRAINING.
UH, ANYTIME THAT YOU CAN TRAIN A PERSON TO SAVE PROPERTY OR SAVE LIVES OR KEEP THEM FROM BEING INJURED IN THE PROCESS OF SAVING PROPERTY IS A PLUS.
SO, UH, AND THAT I, I ALSO TALKED TO COMMISSIONER CLARK, EVEN THAT DON'T KIND OF GET YOUR MONEY BACK OVER THE YEARS, SO IT'S A GOOD MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU TELL THIS GUY ABOUT THE ONE IN MAYBANK AND UH, HAVE HIM CONTACT MAYBANK.
RICK, UH, LARRY, WOULD THE BAY BACK FACILITY BE OPEN FOR ANYBODY TO USE, YOU THINK? I'LL LET RANDY ANSWER THAT BECAUSE RANDY'S OCCASIONALLY KNOW BESIDES WORKING FOR ME, HE'S ALSO AN INSTRUCTOR, A M FOR FIRE TRAINING, FIREFIGHTER DOING SO.
WE WELL VERSED IN THE NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF ANY KIND OF TRAINING IN THE, THE TYPE FACILITY THAT WE NEEDED.
AND I THINK HE'S AWARE MORE OF THE ONE DOWN IN MAYBANK, BUT THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT ONE.
AND THEY WORK ON A PERIODICALLY.
CURRENTLY THE BAYBANK FACILITY HAS A STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS FOR SMOKE TRAINING.
UH, IT'S MULTIPLE WOUNDS, CORRIDOR AND SO FORTH THAT THEY HAVE A SMOKE GENERATOR THAT THEY CAN GO AND, UH, AND SIMULATE THE, THE SMOKE CONDITIONS OF THE FIRE SEARCH AND RESCUE, ET CETERA.
AND USE OF THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE A TRUE BURN BUILDING.
UH, THAT IS IN ORDER TO BUILD ONE PROPERLY, IT'S UH, RATHER EXPENSIVE.
IT GETS INTO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE UNDERSTANDING THE STRUCTURAL COSTS AND, UH, SO THERE'S NO FAILURE ON THE BUILDING ITSELF WAY.
YOU HAVE YOUR FIREFIGHTERS TRAINED.
THEY ALSO, MAYBANK ALSO HAS A TOWER THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING NOW.
UH, IT'S CALLED THE TRI COUNTIES TRAINING FACILITY AND IT IS OFFERED TO ANYONE IN THE COUNTY THAT WANTS TO UTILIZE IT FOR THE TRAINING.
BUT AS FAR AS AN ACTUAL BURN BUILDING ITSELF, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE THERE SPACE FOR THAT.
ALL THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IN THAT QUESTION, THERE IS, THERE IS.
I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A SPACE THERE FOR IT.
THEY HAVE THE TOWER, THEY HAVE THE BUILDINGS ALSO.
THEY HAVE THE GROUNDS FOR SIMULATION OF, YOU KNOW, UH, HOSE PRACTICES, FIRE SPRING PRACTICES AND SO FORTH.
AND THE SERVICE DISTRICTS HAVE THE MONEY.
WOULD YOU GUESS FIVE ACRE 93 5 APPROXIMATELY? YES SIR.
THAT'S WHAT I COMMUNICATE ON BACK TO GUYS.
IF THERE IS BLACK, HOW, HOW OFTEN IS IT USED? IT'S ONLY BEEN USED A FEW TIMES.
RIGHT NOW FOR THE SMOKE TRAINING, UH, MAYBANK KENT AND VARIOUS LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE, ARE HELPING RIGHT NOW TO CONSTRUCT THE TOWER.
IT'S AN ENGINEERED TOWER AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING IT AS, AS WE SPEAK.
THEY ACTUALLY WORKED ON IT THIS PAST WEEKEND, UH, EXPECTING COMPLETION IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE MULTI-STORY TRAINING, HIGH RISE, STAIRWELL TYPE RESCUES, REPELLING, AND SO FORTH.
BUT THE, ALONG WITH THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS ITSELF OF A, OF A TRUE BURN BUILDING, HAVING IT BUILT, BE BUILT TO CERTAIN SPECIFICATIONS, YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER YOUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE OF THE SMOKE SITUATION.
WOULD THAT WORK, WOULD THAT WORK DOWN WITH THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY?
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT WOULD
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BE JUST TO THE NORTH OF, UH, OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.AND ALSO YOU HAVE THE PARK GROUNDS THAT ARE JUST TO THE NORTH AND, UH, WEST OF THAT AREA.
SO, UH, I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANY PLANS FOR IT, BUT I, I WILL FIND OUT.
I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THE
TYPICALLY YOU TRY TO LOCATE YOUR, YOUR TRUE BURN BUILDINGS IN AN AREA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DO ATMOSPHERE CONDITION.
YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR COMMUNITIES.
YOU, WITH MR. JACKSON, Y'ALL SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE.
DE DEFINITELY, BUT WE USE THAT FACILITY DOWN THERE TO ONE OR EVEN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S ALSO JUST, AND THERE ALWAYS HAS BEEN OUT, JUST AS YOU LEAVE COFFIN OUT HERE ON THE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE CITY PARK, THE OLD WATER PLANT BUILDING OUT THERE, A TWO STORY ADOT BLOCK, CONCRETE ROOT BUILDING THAT THE CITY OF COFFIN USES FOR THEIR TRAINING.
IT'S JUST THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN IT AND, AND KEEP IT UP BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE CONCRETE ON THE, UH, THE FLOOR BETWEEN THE DOWNSTAIRS AND UPSTAIRS IS LOCKED BECAUSE THEY HAVE BUILT METAL THAT THEY COULD PUT UP THERE IN IT TO WHERE THE METAL WOULD, UH, TAKE MOST OF THE HEAT AND NOT BE SPING ON THE CONCRETE.
BUT IN THE PAST, THAT ONE'S BEEN UTILIZED TOO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER AREA THERE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT COULD BE RENOVATED AND TURNED INTO A TRUE BURN HOUSE OR NOT.
IT HAS BEEN USED FOR THAT MANY TIMES, BUT I DON'T KNOW ITS CURRENT CONDITION.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, ON THE FIRE CHIEF'S MEETING, WHENEVER THAT COMES UP IN MARCH, I THINK THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THAT YOU COULD GET ALL THE CHIEFS TOGETHER AT THAT TIME AND, AND MAYBE THE COMMISSIONER COULD COME AND BE PRESENT AT THAT ONE.
AND BY THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COULD, UH, GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION TOGETHER.
WE'LL GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING.
WE DISCUSSED, UH, NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSSED CONSIDER APPROVING THE DEPUTATIONS OF JAMES L STROUD.
CHARLES NEY BENJAMIN J SHO, UH, BOOKIE HAR JANET L. FREEMAN, TIMOTHY B FORTNER, TOMMY L TUCKER, JESSE COMPTON, FRANK GONZALEZ, MONEY B MANSFIELD, AND WILLIAM J ER, OR Q WAY YOU PRONOUNCE IT, UH, FOR THE TON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOLLER BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
WE HAVE LOT ITEM TRANSFERRED THIS MORNING.
BUT FIRST, UH, WE RELY ON THE TRANSFER AND THE FIRE MARSHAL DEPARTMENT TO INCREASE TRAINING EDUCATION CONFERENCES, $800 EXTRA CAPITAL.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE CERTIFYING ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON GRANT FUNDS OF $15,000 IN BUDGET, PRIMARILY IN PUBLIC WORKS.
WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE, UH, TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
AND I GUESS YOU WANNA CONSIDER PAYING SOME BILLS? YES, SIR.
I JUST, UH, PRESIDENT'S DAY WE WILL NOT MEET.
UH, BUT WE WILL BE HERE ON THE 23RD AND WE'LL HAVE A GOOD AGENDA.
MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COMMISSIONER DONNER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
STILL WORKING WITH YOU? MOTION CARRIED.
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NO.BE HAVE YOU RESEARCHED BEFORE? UH, LONG TIME AGO.